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Speaker 2 (00:50):
Chuck Ingramont fifty five K. See the talk station A
twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
If you do have Kerri, see talk station it's Tuesday.
It's that time of week A Deep Dive with Daniel
Davis doing the Daniel Davis Deep Dive. You can find
his podcast just search for Daniel Davis Deep Dive. Retired
Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, Welcome back to the fifty five
Cassey Morning Show. I missed our conversation last week when
I was on vacation.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Brother.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I know, man, I always go through a little bit
of with draw symptoms when you take your vacation.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So I'm glad you're back in the office.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm glad to have you on the program. I really
enjoy your analysis of well sadly war, and you know,
I'm sorry I have to. I'll phrase this as I
got a kick out of it. I just like it's
one of those what would Jesus do kind of things?
So Easter shows up and they have a thirty or
thirty hour ceasefire, I guess because it's Easter, and then
(01:38):
start killing each other the minute it's over with.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Isn't it. I mean, didn't they do that?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
In World War One?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
They had like a Christmas armistice and the guys came
out of the trenches from both sides. They sat down,
they talked converse, they had cigarettes together, and then they
went back to the trenches and started killing each other again.
It seems kind of barbaric and preposterous, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Well, yeah, that's that is a good analogy because that
there were some similarities there, although frankly unlike the one
in World War One, that this one was routinely violated
left and right really throughout the whole lot of contact.
So it was less of killing during the Easter holidays
than it would otherwise have been.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But it wasn't a full seasfire, didn't lead to anything.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I guess that, you know, at least according to what
Putin himself said, because he's the one who designated this,
that it was just you know, for at least one holiday.
He wanted his troops to get, you know, on both
sides of the lines, to get some kind of respite,
I guess. But yeah, like you said, it was pretty
short lived, so I'm not really sure what was accomplished
by it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So where are we in this whole process? I get
the feeling that, you know, Trump's just kind of washing
his hands of the whole thing. Russia doesn't want to
sit down to negotiate. Ukraine wants more than they can
ever hope to get in their negotiations, and is Trump
just going to turn the whole thing over to the
NATO allies in the Western European countries to handle.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Now, this is actually a potentially very very crucial week,
and one of the more crucial we've had in quite
a long time, even since Trump has come into office.
There are some really important meetings between the United States, Ukraine,
and Europe in London tomorrow, and then there's gonna be
some US and Russia meetings following that. And Trump put
(03:23):
out on his true social last night that he thinks
within the next three days that he thinks he can
have some kind of a deal wrapped up. I'm thinking
it's more like the first version you said that the
end result of all these conversations is going to be
I'm washing my hands and moving on, because the sides
are still so far far apart, even the US and
(03:43):
the Western side are far apart. But then from where
anybody in the West wants to go and where Russia
wants to go are certainly not something you can bridge
in three days. For example, one of the things that
the Ukraine side wants is to say, all right, we'll
conceive this twenty percent of the territory where the line
of contact is, but only I think they call it
de facto, not djure, which they define as meaning will say, yes,
(04:07):
you occupy this, but we will not publicly acknowledge that
it's your territory, et cetera. Russia said, it is our territory.
It's already in our constitution. It's not even up for debate,
so they would not agree to that. Then, of course
you get into the bigger issues of you know, where
will those lines be, because the Ukraine side wants them
to be on the line of contact and the Russian
(04:28):
side says, the minimum we'll even talk about is the
administrative orders, and there's substantial portions of the southern three
of those provinces that have would have to be withdrawn
and evacuated by the Ukraine side.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I can't see him agreeing to any of that.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
So if Trump is true that he wants to have
this wrapped up in three days, then it's almost the.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Only way he can do that is to wash his
hands and walk away.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So it seems I don't want to call it comical,
but you go do you talk to facto and desure
of course by law ergo the formal movement of the
border to recognize this is now part of Russia as
opposed to de facto, which is really what it was before,
with the vast majority of the population in these regions
(05:12):
already feeling more loyal to Russia than they did to Ukraine.
So that situation existed before Russia invaded to sort of liberate,
if I may use that word, these territories right.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Well, yeah, and then's that really kind of gets to
the heart of why I think that really the only
play that Trump can can have here is to say,
all right, we gave you guys every opportunity we could,
but we're walking because even with all the combat realities
you and I talk about every week we get together
that are irrevocably on the Russian side, even to this day,
(05:44):
the Western side still cannot come to recognize that. And
they think that they can actually tell the Russian side
where the line's gonna be, what the conditions are going
to be, et cetera, when all those cards are on
the Russian side.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And so I think that you're gonna get to the.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Point to where Trump is like with the reality the
dajoure if you or the yeah, the joor if you
want to get to that one. That they're irreconcilable, and
so the only option is y'all figure it out, and
that means y'all fight it out. And I think that's
just the harsh truth of it, because they will not
come to a recognition of combat reality.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, and we've had this conversation before. If it comes
to that and we basically effectively pull the plug and say, hey,
we're done, you know, you guys deal with it.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
On your own.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Our NATO allies don't have the capacity to do that.
I mean they I don't think the population itself is
willing to go put itself on the line to fight
for Ukrainian independence from Russia to try to liberate these
Russian dominated regions in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I mean, do they have the will? That's one question.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
But then the second component is that we've talked about before,
do they have the military hardware to do it? And
I get the impression that they do not. I mean,
they're starting to rebuild their armies as we speak, but
they're way behind the curve on that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. I mean, let's start with the second part of that.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
First, the capacity, without question, there is not because Russia
has spent really the first say two and a half years,
two plus years, retooling their industry, building up their armed forces,
building up their capacity to do all these things that
they need to do, reorienting their economy so that they
can sustain this, and now that they are on a
(07:28):
steady state to where they can maintain this force a
half now about one point five million active army alone
two point something total active forces when you add in
the air force, in the navy, and the industry can
sustain this level of fighting for indefinitely, which grossly exceeds.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Anything the cumulative West.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
In its entirety to include the United States can even
come close to match.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And they can't.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And to your second point about the political will, it
simply doesn't exist everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
There are many people.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Let me put it that in the West, ideally would
like Russia to lose, It would like Ukraine to win,
but if it costs them something, if they have to
shed their blood, if they have to send their boys,
it's zero percent.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, And it makes me think of something like Vietnam,
a lot of resistance. So that why are we in
this remote region in Asia, and why are we fighting
for their population? It has nothing to do with us.
We're not connected with them. It just it befuddled a
lot of people. And I know there were a lot
of people the big supporters of it, because that was
back when we were fighting the Communist you know, the
Red scourge. But it's amazing we ultimately become a trading
(08:34):
partner with Vietnam after all those years. Anyhow, the absurdity
of war. Are we learning anything? I know my observation
on this, considering the overwhelming amount of military might that
Russia has, the overwhelming numbers relative to the soldiers that
are on the ground, it has taken them a long time.
(08:57):
I think Russia thought they just roll in and be
over in no time. Have we learned something from this
about Russia's ability to wage war given the size of
Ukraine relative to the size of the Russian army or
is this providing us with valuable information?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Let me tell you something that's not entirely good or
kind or optimistic.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
But after World War Two.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
We learned a great deal and our policy makers across
the board in Western Yep recognized the reality of balance
of power forces and what was and what wasn't possible,
and our policies matched reality, and we got the best
deal we could given the circumstances, and we kept that
steady state peace for you know, during the entirety of
the Cold War, and we didn't take actions that were
(09:42):
unnecessarily provocative. We were a show to a definite strength
so that it would deter the other side from doing anything,
and that kept the peace for a long time. We
have forgotten those lessons, and now then, despite what we
have observed, with well over a million people being killed
and proving again the reality of the balance of power dynamics,
(10:03):
we still have refused as a cohort in the West.
We've refused to acknowledge that, and we're still pretending it's otherwise,
and that very often leads to bad policy decisions that
can't be accomplished and don't lead to peace. I hope
it doesn't come to that, and that's one of the
reasons I'm hopeful that Trump's a willingness to do that
may force feed these guys to do something that gets
(10:25):
the war off the table. And if it doesn't, if
they act even more foolish, if without the United States,
they could plunge themselves into a war that could go
nuclear all too easily.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh jeez.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, we don't get to end on a happy note today,
Daniel Davis. But got to speak it out loud to
point out what reality is. I like and as we
stare at this conflict, Daniel Davis, deep dive. Always a
real pleasure having you in the fifty five KR see morning.
Sha'll encourage my listeners to check out online. And I'm
already looking forward to next Tuesday, me too, Thanks Brian
se Then take care brother, it's coming up in eighty
(10:56):
forty to fifty five care see the talk station. You know,
speaking patriots like Daniel Davis. There's a Patriot program Sabree
Group of Keller Williams Seven Hills, and I haven't brought
this up though, but they have the Patriot Home Program
for veterans VA Police fire and ems developed by veterans
to help patriots buy and sell their homes. You get
a ten percent of thebre group's commission given back as
(11:19):
a rebate at closing. There's that a wonderful thing to
acknowledge and respect in the patriots in our community. Just
one of the many things that Shabri group of Keller
Williams seven Hills does that nobody else is doing, and
they got that cash to keys program. You get to
leverage Shabrie Groups cash to make a cash offer as
a buyer, with the Scheri Group giving a better chance
(11:39):
to win the sale, often at a lower price and
with better terms. Just a couple of little of the
programs that they offer guarantee you and their commitment that
you'll get a five star experience, true value in your
real estate team. When you contact this Shabri Group of
Keller Williams seven Hills, do it one of two ways.
It's five one three seven zero eight three thousand, five
(12:00):
one three seven zero eight three thousand. Just go to
the website, drop the five one three It's seven zero
eight three thousand dot com.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio station.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Did you know even the smallest increase
Nine first warning weather forecast Today going to be a
few clouds and it's going to clear out. The sunny
skies are in the highest seventy two, got a few
clouds there were night down to fifty mostly sunny skies.
Tomorrow with the highest seventy eight. Another the few clouds
and fifty degree overnight. Then Thursday at mostly cloudy day
with just a slight chancering and a high have seventy nine.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Fifty three degrees. Right now, it's time for traffic to chuck.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Ingram from the UCL tramping Center. You see healthy find
comprehensive care that's so personal it makes your best tomorrow possible.
That's boundless care for better outcomes. Expect more at you
see health dot com. Eastbound Lateral is blocked off at
seventy five Dune to an accident with injuries. Crews are
also working with the rect Northbound seventy five near Franklin
(00:43):
right lanes are blocked with the injury accident there. Southbound
seventy one continues heaving fields urtle off and onto Red Bank.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Chuck Ingramont fifty five K. See the talk station A
twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
If you do have Kerri, see talk station it's Tuesday.
It's that time of week A Deep Dive with Daniel
Davis doing the Daniel Davis Deep Dive. You can find
his podcast just search for Daniel Davis Deep Dive. Retired
Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, Welcome back to the fifty five
Cassey Morning Show. I missed our conversation last week when
I was on vacation.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Brother.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I know, man, I always go through a little bit
of with draw symptoms when you take your vacation.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
So I'm glad you're back in the office.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I'm glad to have you on the program. I really
enjoy your analysis of well sadly war, and you know,
I'm sorry I have to. I'll phrase this as I
got a kick out of it. I just like it's
one of those what would Jesus do kind of things?
So Easter shows up and they have a thirty or
thirty hour ceasefire, I guess because it's Easter, and then
(01:38):
start killing each other the minute it's over with.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Isn't it. I mean, didn't they do that?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
In World War One?
Speaker 1 (01:43):
They had like a Christmas armistice and the guys came
out of the trenches from both sides. They sat down,
they talked converse, they had cigarettes together, and then they
went back to the trenches and started killing each other again.
It seems kind of barbaric and preposterous, doesn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Well, yeah, that's that is a good analogy because that
there were some similarities there, although frankly unlike the one
in World War One, that this one was routinely violated
left and right really throughout the whole lot of contact.
So it was less of killing during the Easter holidays
than it would otherwise have been.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
But it wasn't a full seasfire, didn't lead to anything.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
I guess that, you know, at least according to what
Putin himself said, because he's the one who designated this,
that it was just you know, for at least one holiday.
He wanted his troops to get, you know, on both
sides of the lines, to get some kind of respite,
I guess. But yeah, like you said, it was pretty
short lived, so I'm not really sure what was accomplished
by it.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So where are we in this whole process? I get
the feeling that, you know, Trump's just kind of washing
his hands of the whole thing. Russia doesn't want to
sit down to negotiate. Ukraine wants more than they can
ever hope to get in their negotiations, and is Trump
just going to turn the whole thing over to the
NATO allies in the Western European countries to handle.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
Now, this is actually a potentially very very crucial week,
and one of the more crucial we've had in quite
a long time, even since Trump has come into office.
There are some really important meetings between the United States, Ukraine,
and Europe in London tomorrow, and then there's gonna be
some US and Russia meetings following that. And Trump put
(03:23):
out on his true social last night that he thinks
within the next three days that he thinks he can
have some kind of a deal wrapped up. I'm thinking
it's more like the first version you said that the
end result of all these conversations is going to be
I'm washing my hands and moving on, because the sides
are still so far far apart, even the US and
(03:43):
the Western side are far apart. But then from where
anybody in the West wants to go and where Russia
wants to go are certainly not something you can bridge
in three days. For example, one of the things that
the Ukraine side wants is to say, all right, we'll
conceive this twenty percent of the territory where the line
of contact is, but only I think they call it
de facto, not djure, which they define as meaning will say, yes,
(04:07):
you occupy this, but we will not publicly acknowledge that
it's your territory, et cetera. Russia said, it is our territory.
It's already in our constitution. It's not even up for debate,
so they would not agree to that. Then, of course
you get into the bigger issues of you know, where
will those lines be, because the Ukraine side wants them
to be on the line of contact and the Russian
(04:28):
side says, the minimum we'll even talk about is the
administrative orders, and there's substantial portions of the southern three
of those provinces that have would have to be withdrawn
and evacuated by the Ukraine side.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I can't see him agreeing to any of that.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
So if Trump is true that he wants to have
this wrapped up in three days, then it's almost the.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Only way he can do that is to wash his
hands and walk away.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
So it seems I don't want to call it comical,
but you go do you talk to facto and desure
of course by law ergo the formal movement of the
border to recognize this is now part of Russia as
opposed to de facto, which is really what it was before,
with the vast majority of the population in these regions
(05:12):
already feeling more loyal to Russia than they did to Ukraine.
So that situation existed before Russia invaded to sort of liberate,
if I may use that word, these territories right.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Well, yeah, and then's that really kind of gets to
the heart of why I think that really the only
play that Trump can can have here is to say,
all right, we gave you guys every opportunity we could,
but we're walking because even with all the combat realities
you and I talk about every week we get together
that are irrevocably on the Russian side, even to this day,
(05:44):
the Western side still cannot come to recognize that. And
they think that they can actually tell the Russian side
where the line's gonna be, what the conditions are going
to be, et cetera, when all those cards are on
the Russian side.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
And so I think that you're gonna get to the.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Point to where Trump is like with the reality the
dajoure if you or the yeah, the joor if you
want to get to that one. That they're irreconcilable, and
so the only option is y'all figure it out, and
that means y'all fight it out. And I think that's
just the harsh truth of it, because they will not
come to a recognition of combat reality.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Well, and we've had this conversation before. If it comes
to that and we basically effectively pull the plug and say, hey,
we're done, you know, you guys deal with it.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
On your own.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Our NATO allies don't have the capacity to do that.
I mean they I don't think the population itself is
willing to go put itself on the line to fight
for Ukrainian independence from Russia to try to liberate these
Russian dominated regions in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
I mean, do they have the will? That's one question.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
But then the second component is that we've talked about before,
do they have the military hardware to do it? And
I get the impression that they do not. I mean,
they're starting to rebuild their armies as we speak, but
they're way behind the curve on that.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah. I mean, let's start with the second part of that.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
First, the capacity, without question, there is not because Russia
has spent really the first say two and a half years,
two plus years, retooling their industry, building up their armed forces,
building up their capacity to do all these things that
they need to do, reorienting their economy so that they
can sustain this, and now that they are on a
(07:28):
steady state to where they can maintain this force a
half now about one point five million active army alone
two point something total active forces when you add in
the air force, in the navy, and the industry can
sustain this level of fighting for indefinitely, which grossly exceeds.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Anything the cumulative West.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
In its entirety to include the United States can even
come close to match.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
And they can't.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And to your second point about the political will, it
simply doesn't exist everybody.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
There are many people.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Let me put it that in the West, ideally would
like Russia to lose, It would like Ukraine to win,
but if it costs them something, if they have to
shed their blood, if they have to send their boys,
it's zero percent.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, And it makes me think of something like Vietnam,
a lot of resistance. So that why are we in
this remote region in Asia, and why are we fighting
for their population? It has nothing to do with us.
We're not connected with them. It just it befuddled a
lot of people. And I know there were a lot
of people the big supporters of it, because that was
back when we were fighting the Communist you know, the
Red scourge. But it's amazing we ultimately become a trading
(08:34):
partner with Vietnam after all those years. Anyhow, the absurdity
of war. Are we learning anything? I know my observation
on this, considering the overwhelming amount of military might that
Russia has, the overwhelming numbers relative to the soldiers that
are on the ground, it has taken them a long time.
(08:57):
I think Russia thought they just roll in and be
over in no time. Have we learned something from this
about Russia's ability to wage war given the size of
Ukraine relative to the size of the Russian army or
is this providing us with valuable information?
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Let me tell you something that's not entirely good or
kind or optimistic.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
But after World War Two.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
We learned a great deal and our policy makers across
the board in Western Yep recognized the reality of balance
of power forces and what was and what wasn't possible,
and our policies matched reality, and we got the best
deal we could given the circumstances, and we kept that
steady state peace for you know, during the entirety of
the Cold War, and we didn't take actions that were
(09:42):
unnecessarily provocative. We were a show to a definite strength
so that it would deter the other side from doing anything,
and that kept the peace for a long time. We
have forgotten those lessons, and now then, despite what we
have observed, with well over a million people being killed
and proving again the reality of the balance of power dynamics,
(10:03):
we still have refused as a cohort in the West.
We've refused to acknowledge that, and we're still pretending it's otherwise,
and that very often leads to bad policy decisions that
can't be accomplished and don't lead to peace. I hope
it doesn't come to that, and that's one of the
reasons I'm hopeful that Trump's a willingness to do that
may force feed these guys to do something that gets
(10:25):
the war off the table. And if it doesn't, if
they act even more foolish, if without the United States,
they could plunge themselves into a war that could go
nuclear all too easily.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Oh jeez.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
Well, we don't get to end on a happy note today,
Daniel Davis. But got to speak it out loud to
point out what reality is. I like and as we
stare at this conflict, Daniel Davis, deep dive. Always a
real pleasure having you in the fifty five KR see morning.
Sha'll encourage my listeners to check out online. And I'm
already looking forward to next Tuesday, me too, Thanks Brian
se Then take care brother, it's coming up in eighty
(10:56):
forty to fifty five care see the talk station. You know,
speaking patriots like Daniel Davis. There's a Patriot program Sabree
Group of Keller Williams Seven Hills, and I haven't brought
this up though, but they have the Patriot Home Program
for veterans VA Police fire and ems developed by veterans
to help patriots buy and sell their homes. You get
a ten percent of thebre group's commission given back as
(11:19):
a rebate at closing. There's that a wonderful thing to
acknowledge and respect in the patriots in our community. Just
one of the many things that Shabri group of Keller
Williams seven Hills does that nobody else is doing, and
they got that cash to keys program. You get to
leverage Shabrie Groups cash to make a cash offer as
a buyer, with the Scheri Group giving a better chance
(11:39):
to win the sale, often at a lower price and
with better terms. Just a couple of little of the
programs that they offer guarantee you and their commitment that
you'll get a five star experience, true value in your
real estate team. When you contact this Shabri Group of
Keller Williams seven Hills, do it one of two ways.
It's five one three seven zero eight three thousand, five
(12:00):
one three seven zero eight three thousand. Just go to
the website, drop the five one three It's seven zero
eight three thousand dot com.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
This is fifty five KRC and iHeartRadio station.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
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