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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Here's your channel nine first one and one fore cask
and be partly cloudy day to day, rising humidity at
a high of eighty seven, got a slight chance range
overy night own of sixty nine and a good chance
of rain tomorrow. Even some storms are possible eighty two
for the high, overnight low of sixty eight with scattered
showers remaining, and showers and storms are expected on Friday
as well. Seventy eight for the high Friday. It's seventy
(00:25):
one right now. If you five KR se detok station.
What's going on with traffic Chuck.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Anchor from the UCLTH Traffic Center. Millions of Americans are
living with Alzheimer's or other dementias. Find answers from leading
brain health experts and you see how learn more at
UCHealth dot com. Northbound seventy fine continues to be the
heaviest of the highways, and even that's not all that bad.
Slowing a bit between Buttermilk and downtown for a couple
(00:49):
of extra minutes. Crews are working within a construction fire
in Butler County. That's on other New London near Howard's Creek,
chuck Ingramont fifty five KR. See the talk station.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It is seven twenty eight, fifty five k c DE
Talk station. A very happy Wednesday to you again listener.
Lunch Mantree Brewery, Summit Park location usually starts about eleven
thirty and can get there whenever you want, and I
just hope to see you today. It's a great fellowship
and always a pleasure to welcome back to the fifty
five CARSCEN Morning Show at this time of the week,
Donovan and Eil from Americans for Prosperity to comment on
(01:24):
the Ohio Senates GOP version of the budget. Welcome back, Donovan.
Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Again, Bryan, always a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
All Right, I'm having a difficult time. I know you
want to talk about the two point seventy five percent
flat tax. I'm all in favor of that, I get it.
But yeah, I'm sorry, I'm just frankly I've said used
the words pissed off about six hundred million dollars going
to the Cleveland Brown Stadium, Brook Park.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Did you know, Donovan and Neil for Americans for Prosperity.
The High Department of Commerce has said it's sitting on
four point eight billion dollars in unclaimed funds. They got
a pile of money there. Four point eight billion were
of the things like forgotten bank accounts, rent utility deposits,
and uncashed insurance policies. And apparently when the Browns ask
for money, they can tap into that and pull out
(02:09):
six hundred million dollars and hand it over to them.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, I think it's an interesting way, and it's a
long way from where we started in this conversation, right
which the original proposal was raising taxes. I oh, I'm
certainly glad we're not raising.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Taxes to do to do these kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's a creative way. The unclaim funds is a creative
way to accomplish that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Though, well, it's better than borrowing the money and paying
interest over twenty five years by issuing bonds. But fundamentally,
we're giving money to a private sports organization owned by
private individuals for the benefit of folks who can afford
to go into a stadium and pay twelve to fifteen
dollars for a beer. I'm sorry these things never work out.
(02:53):
And they say, well, the revenue generated from the taxes
on the purchasers at the brook Park is more than
out of well, we got to repay the six hundred
million dollars we're giving them. I'll blow it out here.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to catch you off guard, Donovan,
but this kind of thing rubs me obviously the wrong way.
So we can get back on focus and talk about
the flat income tax.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, and I think that's the important thing, right these
big budget bills, whether it's one big beautiful bill in
DC or you know, the two hundred billion dollar all
spend budget here in Ohio, which, by the way, I've
got some there's some silver linings there too. You know,
there's a reason they say it's the look you're watching
the sausage you get made, because none of these things
are beautiful or perfect. But I think there's some there's
(03:39):
some bright spots in this budget that send a signal
that there is a culture shift happening in Columbus, and
I think we need to keep our eyes focused on that.
And that's certainly what we're doing at AFP, is staying
focused on the things that we've identified as top priorities
that this budget delivers on.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Well, we had a tiered in well, we do have
a tiered income tax system here in the state of Ohio. Correct,
And this, this Senate proposal is in line, isn't it
with the House proposal to get it down to a
flat two point seventy five percent?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well no, no, knock on our friends in the House,
but they actually failed to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh old ones, I misremembered of the ones.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
No, that's all right, yeah, the Senate actually, so we launched,
in fact little self promotion here afp Ohio. We launched
it with Leebray Ohio a campaign back on May twentyth
a couple of weeks ago, calling on the Senate to
put a flat tax in the budget. We're proud to
say they did and buy over the course of this biennium.
(04:37):
If this budget gets signed by the governors, ultimately let's
get sent and signed by the governor, Ohio will have
the lowest rate in the Midwest and be well on
its way towards a zero percent income tax, positioning us
well for that, I should say, over the next decade.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Well, and that's something that gubernatorial candidate and probably our
next coverer, Governor of Vivek Ramaswami, is advocating for as well.
He wants to be he wants to be the most
competitive state out there.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, and that's a big part of the argument that
we've been making. And I think a lot of our
friends in the Senate, the folks who are real fiscal
stewards and champions of the taxpayer, like George Lang, Senate
President Rod McCauley, Tercerino, they get that right. They understand
that we've got to keep making the margin if we
pause that because over the last decade, Brian, by the way,
(05:23):
over the last decade, we have cut from nine tax
brackets with the top marginal rate at about five percent,
to this point where we're currently at two brackets. And
as the Senate has their way, we have our way right,
Ohio will be a flat income tax date a two
point seventy five percent. It's a phenomenal accomplishment over the
last decade. If you ask me, it's taken too long,
but hey, we're here now. And and what it does
(05:45):
is yet that's someone like a governor rama swam me
up to give that mandate to the General Assembly, and
over the eight years HEAs governor put Ohio at a
zero percent income tax.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, and that certainly go a long way to making
Aye a more competitive I mean, obviously, if you look
at like tech in Florida, businesses flock the states with
no income tax.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, and that's what in the press conference esctially the
Senate President was talking about, the Finance Chair Jerry Serena
was talking about. And it's not just warm weather states, right, folks.
Businesses go where them where the economic climate is most favorable.
And when we think about economic development. Not to bring
up the beginning of the segment necessarily, but one of
the challenges we have, I believe as a state is
(06:27):
because of our complexity, because of the amount of local
governments we have, because of the tax burning we have.
Compared to states like Texas, tennesse or Florida, there's a
compelling nature the lawmakers are compelled to use taxpayer dollars
to try to lure businesses and develop into the state.
We can change that paradigm by creating a foundation that
is much more favorable the economic opportunity and prosperity. One
(06:51):
of the key ingredients of that is having these zero
percent income tax states. So when you bring your employees
to Ohio, you can tell them they're going to keep
all of their hard earned money that they earn nine
to five Monday through Friday. It's great policy and great politics.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It is now obviously things like this get pushback. And
since the House did not have that, and I apologize
for misremembering that Alice build ninety six past the House
in April, that this is going to be a reconciliation
process that goes on between the Senate's version and the
House version.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Then well, fortunately in Ohio we're not as complex and
convoluted as Washington dcing. We have our own laws. But yeah,
so what we've got right now is we're really on
a clock. We have till probably about June twelfth, is
when the Senate is expected to vote on the floor
for their version of the budget. What that would do
is then send it back over the House and they'll
(07:40):
do a they'll do a what's called a concurrence vote,
and typically they vote that down. Depending on what this
product is, maybe it's maybe it just makes sense to
vote straight up and concur But if they fail to
concur which is historically what happens, they go into a
conference committee, sort of hash some details out, send the
build back out. So pretty straightforward process in that once
(08:04):
the Senate's done it really then goes to a combined
committee of the finance's finance committees in the House and
Senate to kind of reconcile the process and send it
to the governor.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Now, do you find faults with anything that's currently in
the Senates version that you prefer the House version? Obviously
the House version doesn't have the cap of two point
seventy five, so there's a difference there. But are there
things in the House build that aren't in the Senate
bill that AFP and my listeners should know about.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, I think what you saw with the House budget
To answer your question directly, no, based on what we're
seeing right now. In fact, what it looks like the
Senate has done, and this is sort of what they've
done historically over the past decade or so. In fact,
you'll see the House increase spending from what the executive
has asked for, and the Senate often over the last
several years, has come in and cut curb spending, restraint
(08:54):
spending from what the House is looking for. The House
actually curb spending about four point one billion dollars from
what Governor Dwine asked for. The Senate came in and
found another one point six billion in in moneies that
just don't fit the proper role of government. And so
I think what we're seeing, I think it's a combination
of former Senate President Matt Huffman in leading the House
(09:16):
Chamber and new Senate President Rob McAuley, who's a long
time AFP Bucket blueprint champion, bringing his you know, restraint
to the philosophy of leading to the Senate Chamber. And
we've got two legislative leaders, two legislative chambers that are
really dialed in on the idea that you know, this
money isn't Columbus's money, it's the people of Ohio's money,
(09:38):
and we've got to exhibit fiscal stewardship because you know,
you know, for all the reasons Conservatives exhibit fiscal stewardship,
and that I think what we're seeing here, and so
I think they took a good product, made it even better.
And I think our hope is sifting through it still
that this is probably a very good product. Maybe you
can make make some additional tweaks and modifications, but let's
get this thing done and get it to the governor
(09:59):
and deliver on a flat tax for ohilands.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Amen. It sounds like both sides are in the right
are going in the right direction. In terms of those
who are opposed to reducing the income tax, I'm sure
they're screaming about not being able to afford what we
do here in Columbus on behalf of the ohiolands. How
will they deal with less revenue? Is the reduced revenue
by reducing this tax satisfied by the cuts that have
(10:24):
been offered by the House and Senate.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, that's sort of the idea, and really what we've argued.
We did. We worked with the Buckeye Institute, Greg Laws
and Ray Hedderman to put together a study a couple
of years ago on how you get onhig of those
zero percent income tax. One of the key ways you
do is just don't grow government so dang fast. Right,
you can grow it, just don't grow it so dang fast.
And that's what I think we're seeing in this budget
where I'm historically notoriously bad at math Brian, but I
(10:49):
think you know, the governor wanted to grow the budget
by about I think eight percent over the last biennium.
What the Senate comes in at is just about four
and a half percent growth by anum over by anym
and so when we just grow it maybe where it's
necessary right where you just have inflationary policies or what
have you that have caused that delivery of services to
(11:11):
go up. That's the kind of fiscal restraint we're asking
for you that enables you to then buy down the
tax and that's what we're that's what we're doing in
this budget.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
As far as we can tell, don On Neil, Americans
for Prosperity usually end with the call of action. Is
there one today and is there a website?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
My listeners should go to Buckeye Blueprint dot com, flash
soo s Buckeye Blueprint dot com, slash sos. There's some
information in dollard there. And then we're going to be
having a rally in Columbus next week to encourage lawmakers
to finish the job and get this done and vote
this budget over to the House. And so go there
you can find out some more details and we'd love
to have you join us in Columbus.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Courage my listeners to do just that. AFP Donovan and
Neil pleasure having you back on today. Keep keeping us
in form and reminding me of the things that happened
and didn't happen, but I can't remember. Great having you
on donnav. We'll talk again next week. Have a wonderful week. Meantime,
always a pleasure. Take care. It's eight seven thirty eight.
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Here's your channel nine first one and one fore cask
and be partly cloudy day to day, rising humidity at
a high of eighty seven, got a slight chance range
overy night own of sixty nine and a good chance
of rain tomorrow. Even some storms are possible eighty two
for the high, overnight low of sixty eight with scattered
showers remaining, and showers and storms are expected on Friday
as well. Seventy eight for the high Friday. It's seventy
(00:25):
one right now. If you five KR se detok station.
What's going on with traffic Chuck.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Anchor from the UCLTH Traffic Center. Millions of Americans are
living with Alzheimer's or other dementias. Find answers from leading
brain health experts and you see how learn more at
UCHealth dot com. Northbound seventy fine continues to be the
heaviest of the highways, and even that's not all that bad.
Slowing a bit between Buttermilk and downtown for a couple
(00:49):
of extra minutes. Crews are working within a construction fire
in Butler County. That's on other New London near Howard's Creek,
chuck Ingramont fifty five KR. See the talk station.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
It is seven twenty eight, fifty five k c DE
Talk station. A very happy Wednesday to you again listener.
Lunch Mantree Brewery, Summit Park location usually starts about eleven
thirty and can get there whenever you want, and I
just hope to see you today. It's a great fellowship
and always a pleasure to welcome back to the fifty
five CARSCEN Morning Show at this time of the week,
Donovan and Eil from Americans for Prosperity to comment on
(01:24):
the Ohio Senates GOP version of the budget. Welcome back, Donovan.
Great to have you on the program.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Again, Bryan, always a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
All Right, I'm having a difficult time. I know you
want to talk about the two point seventy five percent
flat tax. I'm all in favor of that, I get it.
But yeah, I'm sorry, I'm just frankly I've said used
the words pissed off about six hundred million dollars going
to the Cleveland Brown Stadium, Brook Park.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Did you know, Donovan and Neil for Americans for Prosperity.
The High Department of Commerce has said it's sitting on
four point eight billion dollars in unclaimed funds. They got
a pile of money there. Four point eight billion were
of the things like forgotten bank accounts, rent utility deposits,
and uncashed insurance policies. And apparently when the Browns ask
for money, they can tap into that and pull out
(02:09):
six hundred million dollars and hand it over to them.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Well, I think it's an interesting way, and it's a
long way from where we started in this conversation, right
which the original proposal was raising taxes. I oh, I'm
certainly glad we're not raising.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Taxes to do to do these kinds of things.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
It's a creative way. The unclaim funds is a creative
way to accomplish that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Though, well, it's better than borrowing the money and paying
interest over twenty five years by issuing bonds. But fundamentally,
we're giving money to a private sports organization owned by
private individuals for the benefit of folks who can afford
to go into a stadium and pay twelve to fifteen
dollars for a beer. I'm sorry these things never work out.
(02:53):
And they say, well, the revenue generated from the taxes
on the purchasers at the brook Park is more than
out of well, we got to repay the six hundred
million dollars we're giving them. I'll blow it out here.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to catch you off guard, Donovan,
but this kind of thing rubs me obviously the wrong way.
So we can get back on focus and talk about
the flat income tax.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Well, and I think that's the important thing, right these
big budget bills, whether it's one big beautiful bill in
DC or you know, the two hundred billion dollar all
spend budget here in Ohio, which, by the way, I've
got some there's some silver linings there too. You know,
there's a reason they say it's the look you're watching
the sausage you get made, because none of these things
are beautiful or perfect. But I think there's some there's
(03:39):
some bright spots in this budget that send a signal
that there is a culture shift happening in Columbus, and
I think we need to keep our eyes focused on that.
And that's certainly what we're doing at AFP, is staying
focused on the things that we've identified as top priorities
that this budget delivers on.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Well, we had a tiered in well, we do have
a tiered income tax system here in the state of Ohio. Correct,
And this, this Senate proposal is in line, isn't it
with the House proposal to get it down to a
flat two point seventy five percent?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Well no, no, knock on our friends in the House,
but they actually failed to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh old ones, I misremembered of the ones.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
No, that's all right, yeah, the Senate actually, so we launched,
in fact little self promotion here afp Ohio. We launched
it with Leebray Ohio a campaign back on May twentyth
a couple of weeks ago, calling on the Senate to
put a flat tax in the budget. We're proud to
say they did and buy over the course of this biennium.
(04:37):
If this budget gets signed by the governors, ultimately let's
get sent and signed by the governor, Ohio will have
the lowest rate in the Midwest and be well on
its way towards a zero percent income tax, positioning us
well for that, I should say, over the next decade.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Well, and that's something that gubernatorial candidate and probably our
next coverer, Governor of Vivek Ramaswami, is advocating for as well.
He wants to be he wants to be the most
competitive state out there.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Well, and that's a big part of the argument that
we've been making. And I think a lot of our
friends in the Senate, the folks who are real fiscal
stewards and champions of the taxpayer, like George Lang, Senate
President Rod McCauley, Tercerino, they get that right. They understand
that we've got to keep making the margin if we
pause that because over the last decade, Brian, by the way,
(05:23):
over the last decade, we have cut from nine tax
brackets with the top marginal rate at about five percent,
to this point where we're currently at two brackets. And
as the Senate has their way, we have our way right,
Ohio will be a flat income tax date a two
point seventy five percent. It's a phenomenal accomplishment over the
last decade. If you ask me, it's taken too long,
but hey, we're here now. And and what it does
(05:45):
is yet that's someone like a governor rama swam me
up to give that mandate to the General Assembly, and
over the eight years HEAs governor put Ohio at a
zero percent income tax.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Well, and that certainly go a long way to making
Aye a more competitive I mean, obviously, if you look
at like tech in Florida, businesses flock the states with
no income tax.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
Yeah, and that's what in the press conference esctially the
Senate President was talking about, the Finance Chair Jerry Serena
was talking about. And it's not just warm weather states, right, folks.
Businesses go where them where the economic climate is most favorable.
And when we think about economic development. Not to bring
up the beginning of the segment necessarily, but one of
the challenges we have, I believe as a state is
(06:27):
because of our complexity, because of the amount of local
governments we have, because of the tax burning we have.
Compared to states like Texas, tennesse or Florida, there's a
compelling nature the lawmakers are compelled to use taxpayer dollars
to try to lure businesses and develop into the state.
We can change that paradigm by creating a foundation that
is much more favorable the economic opportunity and prosperity. One
(06:51):
of the key ingredients of that is having these zero
percent income tax states. So when you bring your employees
to Ohio, you can tell them they're going to keep
all of their hard earned money that they earn nine
to five Monday through Friday. It's great policy and great politics.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
It is now obviously things like this get pushback. And
since the House did not have that, and I apologize
for misremembering that Alice build ninety six past the House
in April, that this is going to be a reconciliation
process that goes on between the Senate's version and the
House version.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Then well, fortunately in Ohio we're not as complex and
convoluted as Washington dcing. We have our own laws. But yeah,
so what we've got right now is we're really on
a clock. We have till probably about June twelfth, is
when the Senate is expected to vote on the floor
for their version of the budget. What that would do
is then send it back over the House and they'll
(07:40):
do a they'll do a what's called a concurrence vote,
and typically they vote that down. Depending on what this
product is, maybe it's maybe it just makes sense to
vote straight up and concur But if they fail to
concur which is historically what happens, they go into a
conference committee, sort of hash some details out, send the
build back out. So pretty straightforward process in that once
(08:04):
the Senate's done it really then goes to a combined
committee of the finance's finance committees in the House and
Senate to kind of reconcile the process and send it
to the governor.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Now, do you find faults with anything that's currently in
the Senates version that you prefer the House version? Obviously
the House version doesn't have the cap of two point
seventy five, so there's a difference there. But are there
things in the House build that aren't in the Senate
bill that AFP and my listeners should know about.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Well, I think what you saw with the House budget
To answer your question directly, no, based on what we're
seeing right now. In fact, what it looks like the
Senate has done, and this is sort of what they've
done historically over the past decade or so. In fact,
you'll see the House increase spending from what the executive
has asked for, and the Senate often over the last
several years, has come in and cut curb spending, restraint
(08:54):
spending from what the House is looking for. The House
actually curb spending about four point one billion dollars from
what Governor Dwine asked for. The Senate came in and
found another one point six billion in in moneies that
just don't fit the proper role of government. And so
I think what we're seeing, I think it's a combination
of former Senate President Matt Huffman in leading the House
(09:16):
Chamber and new Senate President Rob McAuley, who's a long
time AFP Bucket blueprint champion, bringing his you know, restraint
to the philosophy of leading to the Senate Chamber. And
we've got two legislative leaders, two legislative chambers that are
really dialed in on the idea that you know, this
money isn't Columbus's money, it's the people of Ohio's money,
(09:38):
and we've got to exhibit fiscal stewardship because you know,
you know, for all the reasons Conservatives exhibit fiscal stewardship,
and that I think what we're seeing here, and so
I think they took a good product, made it even better.
And I think our hope is sifting through it still
that this is probably a very good product. Maybe you
can make make some additional tweaks and modifications, but let's
get this thing done and get it to the governor
(09:59):
and deliver on a flat tax for ohilands.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Amen. It sounds like both sides are in the right
are going in the right direction. In terms of those
who are opposed to reducing the income tax, I'm sure
they're screaming about not being able to afford what we
do here in Columbus on behalf of the ohiolands. How
will they deal with less revenue? Is the reduced revenue
by reducing this tax satisfied by the cuts that have
(10:24):
been offered by the House and Senate.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Yeah, that's sort of the idea, and really what we've argued.
We did. We worked with the Buckeye Institute, Greg Laws
and Ray Hedderman to put together a study a couple
of years ago on how you get onhig of those
zero percent income tax. One of the key ways you
do is just don't grow government so dang fast. Right,
you can grow it, just don't grow it so dang fast.
And that's what I think we're seeing in this budget
where I'm historically notoriously bad at math Brian, but I
(10:49):
think you know, the governor wanted to grow the budget
by about I think eight percent over the last biennium.
What the Senate comes in at is just about four
and a half percent growth by anum over by anym
and so when we just grow it maybe where it's
necessary right where you just have inflationary policies or what
have you that have caused that delivery of services to
(11:11):
go up. That's the kind of fiscal restraint we're asking
for you that enables you to then buy down the
tax and that's what we're that's what we're doing in
this budget.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
As far as we can tell, don On Neil, Americans
for Prosperity usually end with the call of action. Is
there one today and is there a website?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
My listeners should go to Buckeye Blueprint dot com, flash
soo s Buckeye Blueprint dot com, slash sos. There's some
information in dollard there. And then we're going to be
having a rally in Columbus next week to encourage lawmakers
to finish the job and get this done and vote
this budget over to the House. And so go there
you can find out some more details and we'd love
to have you join us in Columbus.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Courage my listeners to do just that. AFP Donovan and
Neil pleasure having you back on today. Keep keeping us
in form and reminding me of the things that happened
and didn't happen, but I can't remember. Great having you
on donnav. We'll talk again next week. Have a wonderful week. Meantime,
always a pleasure. Take care. It's eight seven thirty eight.
We're gonna talk about flag Day Steve. Steve Belzer from
(12:07):
the Klima County Veteran Services up next. After I mentioned
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to do. A simple project like simple replacement of cabinets
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