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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Billy Costa is in Zimbabwe. He's on an African safaris.
People that don't know. It's his wife, Michelle's dream to go.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
He made it happen. He's been having a great time.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
He was very nervous, and every day he's been checking
in with pictures and videos and calling into the show too.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I think it's fantastic that Billy calls in every day.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I love his stories and he's hysterical.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
If it was anyone else, it might not be as
impactful and funny.
Speaker 6 (00:23):
But it's Billy. We got to think about that.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's Billy Prima Donna Costa. I think for the final
time this week we will get a check in from
mister Billy Costa and Zimbabwe.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Dude, how is the Love Nest?
Speaker 7 (00:40):
Oh man?
Speaker 6 (00:41):
Before I get to the Love Nest?
Speaker 8 (00:43):
Just as I called in and got a producer Riley
on the phone, when I tell you, close to twenty elephants,
probably three different families just walk within feet of me,
behind me and came to the watering hole which is
right behind our tents, our rooms. Anyway, there's that. Now,
let's talk about treehouse love.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay, Well, back it up, Billy, So yesterday you told
us that they surprised you and told you they were
bringing you and Michelle to a treehouse, that you were
going to sleep in a love nest and be all
alone all night long.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:16):
To set the scene, we were out on Africa afternoon
safari and the plan was right after the safari, before
they set up camp for cocktails for suns. That we
took off in a different truck and we were brought
right to the treehouse, which, by the way, I need
to mention.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Is not near anything.
Speaker 8 (01:38):
I mean, it is so far into the wild and
all of a sudden you see it off in the
distance as you're approaching it in the jeep. I don't
even know how these guides that work with us every day, I.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Don't know how they find their way around. But anyway,
we get to the treehouse.
Speaker 8 (01:52):
We walk up the stairs and at the top of
the stairs there are three flights to this treehouse. And
we get to the top there are two gentlemen greeting
us with cocktails.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Dinner was ready to go.
Speaker 8 (02:05):
We had a drink, we sat down, we had dinner
while the animals were you know, screaming, crying, talking to
each other in the night, and it was amazing. Michelle
at one point turn to me she said, this is
the best.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Night of my entire life. There, she said, I would
rather be here right now than any five star, world
class hotel on the planet.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
This is it, well that it's it is that you
had a five star I mean, it doesn't get any
better than that.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Yeah, it's called the Hide. And they do such a
good job.
Speaker 8 (02:44):
Understand, when you sit for dinner right after sunset, you
probably have seven or eight weight people who bring your
meal over and place it down simultaneously, like in concert.
And they do the same thing at breakfast.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
They do the same thing at lunch. It is and
while you're sitting.
Speaker 8 (03:01):
There again, I'm looking at probably nineteen elephants right now,
like maybe ten feet away, And constantly as you sit
and eat, you watch various species of animal going by
and just doing their thing. I was talking to Justin
off the air a couple of minutes ago, and it
suddenly hit me yesterday, I said, the animals are also
(03:21):
on safari.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Like as curious as we are of them, they are
of You can walk up to a lion and the
lion just sits there and looks at you. What are
the odds of that.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
It's so incredible, Billy.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So Bill, what was what was up with Tubby Time?
I know you there are some pictures and videos on
the kiss Instagram of Billy giving a tour and what
the love nest?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But you talked about Tubby Time there? How is that?
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (03:54):
In fact, I think within minutes ago, I think Michelle
posted that I did a whole tour, a walk through
the entire treehouse, So that's probably on. It's been posted
to all of the sites back there. But anyway before Oh, yeah,
I'm glad you asked. Because the water system in this treehouse,
by the way, no electricity okay, no electricity, And the
(04:15):
hot water system. The water is in a tank just
outside the tent the treehouse, and what they do is
they put logs underneath them. They set fire, so they
basically put a campfire underneath the tank of water, so
that if you want to take a hot shower, you
have to take it before you go to bed, otherwise
the water will have cooled off by morning.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
How they cook the food, but like your dinner, how
do they cook that food?
Speaker 8 (04:44):
That's another great question. We were shocked, so we get
there right, Mikey. And the table is set and they've
got like oi dures and you know, cheese and vegetable
platters to start, and of course they had vodka in
gin and wine and whatever we you know, whatever your heart.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
So hey, Peter, Holena, Peter, the world's best. Maybe this
giant cloth.
Speaker 8 (05:07):
Basket right and with a cloth pillow of sorts that
goes on top.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
And we're thinking, how is the dinner in there? Right?
Speaker 8 (05:16):
How's it going to stay hot? So I opened it
up and to serve Michelle dinner at the table, and
when I tell you, I couldn't even it was so hot,
and it had been there for a while. I don't
know what this magic thing is, but I had to
grab a cloth just to pick up the plates and
the containers.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And the dinner was fabulous.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
A little beef strogan off, if you will wait with beef.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I thought you were a vegan.
Speaker 9 (05:42):
Good question.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
When quiet?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Sorry?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Maybe it's because it was like in the treehouse.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
It was like away.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
I'm sorry, I don't know exactly. Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, Billy, what were some of the sounds you heard
heard when you were you know, at nighttime?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Not the ones that you made that you heard that good.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Point, Mike, tell me time.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
I you know, I am not able to, you know,
discern the difference between one animal in the dark.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
But in the morning, the next the morning this morning.
Speaker 8 (06:25):
When our guides and uh Dunal showed up, I described
the sounds and they knew immediately what they were. We
had cheetah right outside the cheeta Yeah, bad boons elephants.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And you did not know that cheetah's handline.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Trees right, Glad you mentioned it.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
I turned to Michelle at one point because we saw
all the tracks in the morning, and so I said
to them, now, I said, wait a minute, cheetah, I said,
correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Can't they I'm trees, We're in a tree.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
And the answer is yes, they can, but they don't.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
So did you guys?
Speaker 8 (07:09):
I got to tell you about this tree. When you're
lying in bed right looking out at the wild. You know,
you have these giant green windows and you're looking when
you're lying in bed, you're looking out and it's almost
like you're at the omni theater because this tree is
so massive, it's four hundred years old, and the trunks
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and the limbs are so thick, and they run right
through the treehouse and as you're looking out, you feel
like the tree is actually embracing.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
You, like you're lying in its arms, so to speak.
It is so magical. It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
You sound like a different person.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's life changing.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
I am now a bushman.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well billy.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Before we let you go, you know, but before we
went in the air, you called me on my phone
and we were talking about, you know, this segment, and
then you asked me what the big entertainment stories were,
and I kind of hesitated, and then I, you know,
I said, well, you know Ethel Kennedy passed away at
ninety six years old, and you said, oh, and it
kind of weird, like, oh, obviously, rest in peace. But
that was the lead one and it's and it hesitated
(08:20):
because there's a bigger entertainment story that you don't know about.
Are you ready for it? We covered that yesterday. This
just broke today. We've been talking about it all day
on the show today. You're not gonna believe this. Make
sure you're sitting down. But Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck
(08:41):
are getting back together.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's crazy, Okay.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
I can't even know.
Speaker 8 (08:45):
I can't even hear that. I don't want to talk
about it.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
I refuse to talk about it.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
I'm done with them.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
They pulled the divorce papers and they're gonna even knew
their vows.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
No way.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, the big story is that Ben wrote a handwritten
letter said that the j lo and the parent that
rekindled it.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Oh my god, I'm gonna puke in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He's upsett.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, Billy, we don't want to ruin your trip to Africa,
so we're just kidding.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's only a joke.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, please stop thinking about entertainment reports.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I enjoy your last moments in Africa.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, and we know Bill gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But Bill, we love you.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And this is your last update from Africa, so we'll
see you next week.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
And you when you return, have a safe trip back.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
And and by the way, Mikey, thank you so much
for joining the team for the week. You guys, I
heard a lot of it and you gotta sounds fabulous.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I had a great time with Mikey.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
He's a good guy. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, last update from Bill cost though. We love you,
Uncle Bill, will see you next week.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I can't be the only one who woke up today
and realized this was the last check in from Billy
before he comes back. And I gotta say, I'm loving
these out for up gates, going to miss them.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
You know how on this show, every so often we
have a story that happens to one of us, well,
of all the people, Lisa Donovan, one of the sweetest
people we know, almost had a fist fight.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And if you would ask anybody about the Billy and
Lisa Show and you would say, which, which member do
you think almost got you a fight?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
What would you think?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, her name starts with the wah, it.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Starts with w ends with any of.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
All people, Lisa has done a parking lot no less
what happened.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
It was like a scene out of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
So for the past ten years, just to give you
a backstory, I've always loved Jack Russell terriers. I've loved them.
I've always wanted to get one, and I've always wanted
to adopt a dog from a rescue. So on Friday,
I've been searching and searching and searching for all all
(10:56):
you know, all these different websites of different rescue you organizations,
and I found one, and it was a two year
old Jack Russell Terrier and it was at the MSPCA
up in Nevan's in Mathuin.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That's the location.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
They have locations all over, but that was the one,
so I never told anyone. And I saw it on
Friday and they opened yesterday. Their adoption hours were from
twelve to three. That's when you could go. They don't
you know, you can't make a reservation, you just have
to show up. So off I go up to Mathuin.
I'm in the parking lot at you know, a half
an hour early before they open, sitting in my car.
(11:33):
About ten minutes before twelve. I get out of my
car and I walk up to the door. The door's
locked because again it doesn't open until noon. There's maybe
another car too in the parking lot, sort of parked
where I am, and all of a sudden, like all
of these people get out of their cars. So we're
all waiting in line. But I'm the first person in
line okay to go through the door. So we start
(11:53):
chit chatting with each other everyone in line, and a
woman two or three people behind me says, oh, what
are you here for? And I said, Oh, I'm here
for the Jack Russell Terrier Chloe. And she goes, that's
the dog I'm here for. And I was here before
you in the parking lots.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh boy, there we go. And she wasn't alone, right, No,
she brought she brought back.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
She brought a friend. And the woman starts laughing and
she goes, you have to let me in front of
you because that's my dog. And I was like, excuse me, oh,
and she was and you know she was elderly. Yes, okay,
I mean say she was elderly. I don't know how old,
(12:43):
but so so I'm standing there and then the woman
behind her goes, I want that dog too.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oh god.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I'm like, oh my god, like this is not happening
to me. I almost burst into tears. And I'm standing
there and she's not giving up. She's like, you need
to let me in of you. I was here before
you in the parking lot. And I was like, okay, well,
what do I do?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Like?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
What do I do? Like, what's the right thing to do?
So I left. I let her in front of me.
I was like, you know what, I can't do this,
and I burst into tears. I got in the cry.
I literally called Billy and I burst into tears because
I was like, wow, I literally just was thrown down
by another person over this beautiful animal. And I'm hoping
that she gets the dog. I'm not no, but but here, Winnie, Like,
(13:30):
all I was thinking of driving back, was well, maybe
maybe it's a good thing that I didn't like basically
get into a fight with her in the parking lot,
because what if the dog wasn't even available, then we
all look really silly. So you know, I hope that
the dog went to a good home, but I'm still
so angry.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Yeah, a couple of things. Do you know for a
fact she was there before you? A? And B do
we know for a fact that she got the dog.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I don't know either of those. I just know that
I was sitting there half an hour before, and she
could have been in the parking lot. I have no idea.
I just know that I got out of my car
in the cold and was standing in the cold for
ten minutes before the door opened, and I was first
in line.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, so two things here. I think you did the
right thing, although you know, every fiber of my being
would would want you to fight back.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But you did the right thing. You did the adult thing, right.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But the other thing is that's a debate in and itself. Okay,
so she if she was there before you in the
parking lot in her car, and then you come up
and you're at the door first, but she was in
the parking lot first, who's first exactly?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well, that's your opinion. I don't know. I don't know
the answer to that.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Like geographically or biologically whatever it is. If you're physically
at the door, that's.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Where the line starts. The line doesn't start in your car,
you know what I mean. You're right, that's true. She
was in the comfort of her own car.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
The best rule of follows you ask yourself in situations
like this, you ask yourself, what would Winnie do? No
woman up against the wall before she let her in
front of it's going to be in jail on.
Speaker 9 (15:07):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Like it just there was no upside for me. I
was going to feel bad if I got the dog
and she didn't, because she would have been staring at
me like how dare you? And then and then leaving.
I felt bad. So again I want to give a
shout out because I think that adopting a pet, like
you've done. Billy is such an amazing thing. So I
(15:28):
will continue my search, but I do want to give
a shout out because that is the most beautiful facility
up there, the Nevin's Farm MSPCA facility. I was blown away.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, so it's about one minute from my house.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
My wife goes there a lot with my daughter to
see the animals. She my daughter, Jemma, loves it. But
you want to hear then the best part about the story,
not the best But Lisa called me, I think on
the way there, right, because she knew it was there
my house.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, I didn't see the call.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I was, you know, with my daughter, but she was
calling to say say, hey, I'm going to get this
terrier and I want to come by the house and
show you.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And the fami. There's no dog. There was no dogs.
It was a long drive back to Milton alone, wasn't it.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Yeah, is your family expecting a dog?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
No, they knew nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was her decision.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
She's the mother of the house.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And I'm glad I didn't say anything because nothing happened.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Yeah, but now we can launch an all out search
for an adoptable Jack Russell Terrier carrier.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I didn't know the terriers were.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's such high demand, and here come the terriers, very frisky,
very playful.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, it's said the things when you're looking ow beautifully.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
These dogs are the things that in some countries these
dogs are eating. Dude, you were featured on Channel five
twice last night at five and again at eleven.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I watched the five o'clock one with Maria Stefano. Shout
out to her, and I just watched the eleven o'clock
one online.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
You have it.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
It's different, it's different. Okay, you to see it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, there's more of it. So yeah, amazing job by her.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And I want to thank her for in our whole team,
for coming and talking to me and you know, telling
my story. See you guys know my story. I mean,
you know all the crazy story. I mean, Winnie and
I do an after show. I talk about all that
kind of raw stuff. But you know, to sit down
in kind of a one on one setting and kind
of go into more detail was not easy to do,
but I thought it was important. It's important to get
(17:25):
that message out.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
And Maria did a beautiful job presenting it. Michelle and
I both cried on the couch a lot of crying.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
My phone hasn't stopped since then. Obviously, my wife and
I cried, you know when it happened. I kind of
lost it a little bit because we've been through a lot,
you know, we've been through a lot together, and to
get to this moment, you know, I'm living my dream
on the radio.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
She's living her dream as a nurse.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
You know, and then your dream together of owning a home, and.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it's just really cool.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
Hey, justin just felt like I needed to call. The
story about you and Jen was incredible. The biggest one.
The biggest part for me was that you walked by
people on the ground when you went to the garden,
and nobody that you worked with knew that that was
you in the past. That was the biggest, the most
emotional part of watching that incredible story.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Keep up the great work.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, as someone that works with you every day, we
talk about your past, but like, I don't think it
always resonates how real it was for you, because for me,
it's stories from like fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Ago, right, Yeah, I make them funny. Yeah, you know
it wasn't funny at the time. It's funny to look
back at them now. But yeah, I spent a good
amount of time on the streets in Boston, living at
Saint Francis House, living at Kingston House, being kicked out
of those places, kicked out of the shelter and having
nowhere to go, Sleeping on the Boston common, you know
what I mean, every day trying to get a bed,
a free care bed, no health insurance, right, had no money,
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and I would sleep on the bench and I would
try to sleep, get up. I'd go ask someone for
a quarter to call the detox at seven am and
they would say, sorry, justin no beds today, call back tomorrow.
Oh my god, day after day. So I remember the moment. So, yes,
that's why I brought it up, because you know.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
We go out a lot. Yeah, we're in Boston. We
see those people, and I'm like, I don't think they
really understand.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Yeah, so we do, trust me, we do.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Now.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Maria teased the eleven o'clock because it was a totally
separate piece covering different materials.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So how different was it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I go more into you know, when I was growing
up my love of radio, listening to this show while
I was incarcerated studying kind of the breakdown of the show,
just because I was a fan, and then you know,
getting out and going back to college and Northern Essex
and all that.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So I go more into detail. I mean, you have to.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Remember when I got cleaned with my wife, I lived
in a rooming house. We had no cars, we had
no money, we had nothing, you know, and she's stuck
by me the entire time. She watched my kind of
ride and then she got on her journey.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You know, she loved me when I was three hundred
and fifty pounds. Imagine that when the dollar menu was
my best friend, you know, and she never said anything
to me, she never judged me.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
She loved me through it. And you know, I love her.
So I had to give her a good shout out
because she's so important.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
So so I'm guessing I probably ended pretty well.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Now she's sick as a dog. Oh God, bad timing
as a dog. Shout out to everybody.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
I justin.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I don't usually watch Channel five News at five, but
I did because I wanted to see you and hear
your story.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
I am so proud of you.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I just can't. I mean, you brought me to tears.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Keep up what you're doing, and you are great.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
And again I just I'm just so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Take you love you.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
But bye.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Can I just tell you one of my favorite parts
of this whole thing. I came in this morning now
my piece air last night. I came in this morning,
four am, and there were about one hundred and fifty
talkbacks and there's even.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
More trained them. So well, then we go. We've trained
them like they saw my piece and they knew. Oh
I got to leave a talkback. Yeah I did.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Well, that's the Billy and Lisa show has a dedicated follower.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I have to ask your parents watch my mother. My
mother did. She was very very emotional, Yeah, very emotional.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I don't know if my dad saw yet. It's kind
of a you know, I love my dad, but you
know it's a touchy subject. Yeah, I don't really talk
about my past.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
He will.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
He's super proud of me, I know, but you know
it's it's tough.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Man about your brother and.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
My brother did not message me yet. But he's a touchy,
touchy subject.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
I gotta tell you though, and I don't want to
get involved, but if it's a touchy subject, your dad
should watch.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I think he will, No, I know he will. I
know he's proud of me, but you know, get it more.
You know, I put him through a lot, but he
was always he was always the one to come visit me.
You know, he never turned his back on me.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
So yeah, yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Thank you, Thank you to everybody.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Okay, welcome into the Billy and Lisa's show this morning.
And this morning on the.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
Billy and Lisa Show, we have ourselves a situation. I
think it's best to call it a situation. Justin. All
I know is I got a call from Justin and
this never happens. He actually called me three times in
a row because I couldn't answer the phone.
Speaker 9 (22:00):
I said, wow, we just called three two minutes, Like,
what's going on? I said, this has got to be good.
And then I finally get him back, and before he
even says hello to me, he says, oh my god,
oh my god, You're not gonna believe what's going on?
So Justin, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I was in my ice bath that I do every night,
and I got out and I kind of stand there
and open my phone, kind of my routine, and the
very first thing that pops up is Bill Belichick's girlfriend
Jordan Jordan Hudson. It's been a lot to talk about her.
She's a cheerleader, former cheerleader, and you know she's dating Bill. Yeah,
he's forty nine years older. That's kind of the story.
(22:37):
We've been talking about it.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And when he made some comments on the show on
Monday about Jordan and her cheerleading career, let me play
that for you real quick.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
She was Bridgewater State cheerleader, which is Division III, which
isn't even like competition level.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
I could have been a Bridgewater cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
So you know, if you're a regular listener of the
Billion Lisa Show, you know when he she likes to
pop off at the mouth. And while Jordan was listening,
or someone that knows Jordan was listening, and she posted
a picture of her pointing a championship ring at the
camera and she wrote, at Winny's World, I would like
to extend an invitation for you to attend the winter
tryout for the eight time national Champion cheerleading program at
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BSU Cheerleading. And since you are so confident that you
can make the team, as you stated live on the air,
I'd love for you to bring a kiss one away
camera crew to film your undeniable domination of our pathetic
little D three cheerleading program. I can't wait to see
you in January. Don't poke the bear and ps Winny
(23:39):
kiss my dot dot dot National Championship ring.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Yeah, that's my favorite part right there, kiss my dot
dot dot National champion Ring.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
Now here's the deal.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Right when the story broke that Bill Belichick was dating Jordan,
Jordan twenty four years old.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
How old's Bill?
Speaker 9 (23:57):
He's seventy two eighth.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
I think obviously they expected people, right at least to
talk about it, and people have been you know, they
went very public.
Speaker 9 (24:06):
Yeah, I mean they expected that.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
I don't think what Jordan expected was for somebody to
attack her cheerleading skills.
Speaker 9 (24:16):
Okay, she's a national champion. I didn't attack her skills.
Oh you want us to play it again?
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I said, was that before you defend yourself?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
She was Bridgewater Steak cheerleader, which is Division three, which
isn't even like competition level.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty much saying I never said.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
I never said it was pathetic.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
She said pathetic.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I never said that.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Obviously, there's a level of athletics that think you need
to be a cheerleader. I'm not denying that there's also
different realms of a cheerleader. There's the one that does
the flipping and the flying, and there's one that spots
and holds them.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
You weren't thinking about that at the time. How do
you know what I was about cheerleaders in general?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I think I work out. I go to the gym
down the street way better. You a lot of weightlifting.
I have really strong legs. I could easily up a
one hundred pound.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Girl and let her fly the spotter spotter, So you
are going to accept I am.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I'm not saying that I'm gonna be doing backflips and tumbling.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You can't let us down this competition, but I can share.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Give me a bet, give me.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
A yeah, it's going to be the competition.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I don't think the spotters have to talk right.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You never hear from them right. And something else.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
I think they're never allowed to be the captain.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
You never noticed the spotter, Jilly.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
It is why I'm so scared for you.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Cheerleaders scare me in general, but d three cheerleaders, that's
more scary.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Good luck.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You know what, Here's what I think.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
First of all, you have challenged Jordan to come on
the show.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Right, So I sent her our information. I invited her on.
So either Jordan was listening to our show or friends
of hers, maybe people from the cheerleading program, we'd love
to have her on. I sent her the information she
can issue the challenge to Winnie live on the end.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
And I love that Belichick and Jordan and all of
those friends that their friends are listening to this show.
Do you know a couple of minutes ago, Kevin came
down the hall Kenny, I mean, Kenny came down the
hall from ZLX The Rich the rich Shertainley Show and
wants to have winning on, like Winnie's going to be
their number one segment today.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, I know, other sports stations in and around Boston
are also talking.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
About the post this post. Bill's talking about it.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
One thing I'm not is scared.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
I got to tell you, you know, first of all,
you have to accept the challenge and enter the competition.
But then I think you counter challenge Jordan and challenge
her to a powerlifting competition. Okay, you know, I mean,
then again, she didn't attack you.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I didn't really feel I wasn't trying to be like
outwardly like attacking her.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I was just saying that we talked about I kind
of think I kind of think that's what the conversation
was about.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, well, when you know what you said.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
You know it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I know it, they know it.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Here we are.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
It's a Wednesday morning, it's May eighth. The Karen Reid
trial has everybody.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
I mean, I got to tell you off the record,
the last couple of minutes off the air, we had
a zillion questions we're throwing at Katherine the loft us.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
Catherine has joined us in studio. She is a lawyer,
has been a lawyer for like ten years.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
Somehow, you've done over one hundred videos on the Karen
Reid trial on TikTok and by the way, on social
you're known is note my objection. That's right, Okay, Katherine,
here's the deal. We all you saw it a few
minutes ago. We all have so many questions about the
Karen retriw So I want you, for starters anyway, to
present the case fore and against and let us be
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the jury and then we can ask any questions we want.
Speaker 11 (27:52):
So I think you know it's interesting, Billy, because there are,
like you said, there's two different sides to the case,
and really if you watching it close, it's almost as
if there's two different cases. What the Comwealth is saying
is that on the night of January twenty eighth into
January twenty ninth, that Karen Reid and John O'Keeffe were
at a bar in Canton, there were a number of
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people there. They were invited back to the Albert's house,
Brian Alberts House, which is at thirty four Fair and
that in the intervening time between coming from the Waterfall
bar back to the house, that John O'Keeffe in fact
never went into the house, and that Karen Reid backed
up to him, into him and let him essentially hit
him and essentially left him on the ground. That prosecution,
(28:36):
that's the prosecution side. That's the very base level explanation.
But just to get that out there.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
What the defense is saying is is essentially too prong
they have right now.
Speaker 11 (28:46):
They're presenting what's called a Boden defense, which is essentially
they're attacking the police investigation and all of the witnesses
that we have seen so far, the police officers, the firefighters,
everyone who's testified there, attacking what they did on the scene,
what they heard, how they could elected evidence, how they
stored it, because at the end of the trial, what
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they'll ask the judge is to instruct the jury that
the omissions in the police investigation was so significant that
the jury should factor that in.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Now we have heard in the pre trial litigation.
Speaker 11 (29:19):
About potentially a third party culprit, whether they're going to
be bringing in evidence that somebody else did this inside
the house that has not been presented in court yet.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
And again the defense is not required to put that on.
Speaker 11 (29:32):
It's the comwealth burden to prove whether Karen Reid is
guilty or not of the child is brought against her.
So there is a possibility that we never even hear
about a third party culprit, and the defense really just
hammers in on the police omissions and investigations.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
So it's been interesting. We're only in a week and
a half and it's pretty interesting already.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
Do you think the video that they played the prosecution
played earlier this week or it may have been late
last week. Do you think that video kind of turned
a lot of people on the case change their minds?
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Can I ask which video the video in front of.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
The house during the snowstorm, when Karen was yelling and
screaming and said the words I hit him, I hit them.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
At least you can hear that on the tape. You
think that may have swayed people one way or another.
Speaker 11 (30:14):
So from my recollection, you can't hear her on the
tape saying I hit him, I hit him. What you
can see is she's clearly distraught, she's clearly hysterical. You know,
this snow coming down, it's windy, this it clearly paints
a very picture of a chaotic scene. But we do
have testimony from multiple firefighters and paramedics and one police
(30:36):
officer that essentially a scribe and guilt to her. Now,
the defense has been attacking that by saying that they
all have at least some sort of flaws in their
memory because they weren't written in their reports correctly. So
again every time, it's almost as if the calmonwealth, you know,
scores a little bit of a point and then the
defense takes it away. So it's it's kind of even
(30:57):
I would say, as of right now, you.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Know what's really cool that's going on right now? I
think in a real trial, the jury should get to
ask questions. And now we're the jury and we get
to ask questions.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Go Lise, So you set up the scene basically the basics.
What is Karen Reid's defense, Like, what does she say
happened that night?
Speaker 6 (31:18):
So she.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
In court, she's not saying anything yet, Okay.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
So and that's what I try to tell my followers
when I'm talking on my page is that I'm not
I don't try to convince anybody of one side or
the other, but just really try to break down what
we've seen, because what we have seen pre trial is
that these allegations that something else happened in the house,
that he was killed in a physical altercation.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
There's been discussions about a dog being involved.
Speaker 11 (31:45):
We haven't actually seen that presented in court yet. So
I think it's important that we relying on what the jury,
because the jury, at the end of the day, isn't
looking at what's on Twitter or a blogs or people
are saying. They're deciding the evidence in front of them.
So right now, the only thing the defense is doing
is attack and attack in attack every witness that the
Comwealth puts on. They're attacking their credibility, they're attacking their
ability to you know, be fair and unbiased, and whether
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when they talk quite a bit about what they put
in the reports, why they didn't put them in. Every
lawyer knows, every police officer knows, every firefighter knows. You
have to write. If you hear say something, you have
to put it in a report, because if you don't
put in a report, the reliability is reduced. So that's
essentially right now, the defense is just attacking the police investigation.
It's to be seen whether they'll actually introduce evidence of
(32:30):
a third party culprit.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
It does seem like a combination of first responders and
police officers on the scene that night really kind of
messed a lot of stuff up. I mean, like really
stupid mistakes.
Speaker 11 (32:46):
I think from my perspective looking at the police officers,
the detectives, lieutenants responding, I think, the firefighters and the paramedics,
my evaluation is they're being pretty forthcoming. You know, they're
there to save John O'Keeffe, you know, so their goal
isn't to really preserve the scene.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
It's not to get statements.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
It's to make you know, they get a call that
there is an unconscious person, so you know that's not
their primary goal.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Their primary goal is life saving.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
When you talk about the police and we talk about
how they're collecting evidence and understanding that this is a
plastic red solo cops and it's the problem is is
that it just makes everything look messy. It's not standard,
it's not normal. And even if the scene is chaotic,
(33:36):
the weather is crazy, there have to have been some
alternative options as to how you collect that that that evidence,
and they didn't do that, which just quite frankly opens
the door for attack from the defense, right because everything
could be tainted, right.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
Yeah, And you said it a couple of minutes, and
we have to repeat, there's only one victim here, and
that's John O'Keeffe.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
That's great. So that's the bottom line.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
And it's and it's been unfortunate.
Speaker 11 (34:01):
And I think that in all of this, I think
the fact that he has lost lost his life and
however it happened is really it's almost become secondary to
what else is going on. And it's unfortunate because you
have a family, You have two kids that he was raising.
So I think it's important to remember really absolutely.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Absolutely Okay, Catherine, we're gonna ask you, is it okay?
Speaker 9 (34:21):
If we ask you to hang in with that, absolutely,
because again this is
Speaker 8 (34:25):
A hot topic, a hot story, and its topic time
on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show.
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Billy Costa is in Zimbabwe. He's on an African safaris.
People that don't know. It's his wife, Michelle's dream to go.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
He made it happen. He's been having a great time.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
He was very nervous, and every day he's been checking
in with pictures and videos and calling into the show too.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I think it's fantastic that Billy calls in every day.
Speaker 4 (00:17):
I love his stories and he's hysterical.
Speaker 5 (00:20):
If it was anyone else, it might not be as
impactful and funny.
Speaker 6 (00:23):
But it's Billy. We got to think about that.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
It's Billy Prima Donna Costa. I think for the final
time this week we will get a check in from
mister Billy Costa and Zimbabwe.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Dude, how is the Love Nest?
Speaker 7 (00:40):
Oh man?
Speaker 6 (00:41):
Before I get to the Love Nest?
Speaker 8 (00:43):
Just as I called in and got a producer Riley
on the phone, when I tell you, close to twenty elephants,
probably three different families just walk within feet of me,
behind me and came to the watering hole which is
right behind our tents, our rooms. Anyway, there's that. Now,
let's talk about treehouse love.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Okay, Well, back it up, Billy, So yesterday you told
us that they surprised you and told you they were
bringing you and Michelle to a treehouse, that you were
going to sleep in a love nest and be all
alone all night long.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
Right. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (01:16):
To set the scene, we were out on Africa afternoon
safari and the plan was right after the safari, before
they set up camp for cocktails for suns. That we
took off in a different truck and we were brought
right to the treehouse, which, by the way, I need
to mention.
Speaker 6 (01:35):
Is not near anything.
Speaker 8 (01:38):
I mean, it is so far into the wild and
all of a sudden you see it off in the
distance as you're approaching it in the jeep. I don't
even know how these guides that work with us every day, I.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
Don't know how they find their way around. But anyway,
we get to the treehouse.
Speaker 8 (01:52):
We walk up the stairs and at the top of
the stairs there are three flights to this treehouse. And
we get to the top there are two gentlemen greeting
us with cocktails.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
Dinner was ready to go.
Speaker 8 (02:05):
We had a drink, we sat down, we had dinner
while the animals were you know, screaming, crying, talking to
each other in the night, and it was amazing. Michelle
at one point turn to me she said, this is
the best.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Night of my entire life. There, she said, I would
rather be here right now than any five star, world
class hotel on the planet.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
This is it, well that it's it is that you
had a five star I mean, it doesn't get any
better than that.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Yeah, it's called the Hide. And they do such a
good job.
Speaker 8 (02:44):
Understand, when you sit for dinner right after sunset, you
probably have seven or eight weight people who bring your
meal over and place it down simultaneously, like in concert.
And they do the same thing at breakfast.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
They do the same thing at lunch. It is and
while you're sitting.
Speaker 8 (03:01):
There again, I'm looking at probably nineteen elephants right now,
like maybe ten feet away, And constantly as you sit
and eat, you watch various species of animal going by
and just doing their thing. I was talking to Justin
off the air a couple of minutes ago, and it
suddenly hit me yesterday, I said, the animals are also
(03:21):
on safari.
Speaker 6 (03:23):
Like as curious as we are of them, they are
of You can walk up to a lion and the
lion just sits there and looks at you. What are
the odds of that.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
It's so incredible, Billy.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
So Bill, what was what was up with Tubby Time?
I know you there are some pictures and videos on
the kiss Instagram of Billy giving a tour and what
the love nest?
Speaker 1 (03:49):
But you talked about Tubby Time there? How is that?
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (03:54):
In fact, I think within minutes ago, I think Michelle
posted that I did a whole tour, a walk through
the entire treehouse, So that's probably on. It's been posted
to all of the sites back there. But anyway before Oh, yeah,
I'm glad you asked. Because the water system in this treehouse,
by the way, no electricity okay, no electricity, And the
(04:15):
hot water system. The water is in a tank just
outside the tent the treehouse, and what they do is
they put logs underneath them. They set fire, so they
basically put a campfire underneath the tank of water, so
that if you want to take a hot shower, you
have to take it before you go to bed, otherwise
the water will have cooled off by morning.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
How they cook the food, but like your dinner, how
do they cook that food?
Speaker 8 (04:44):
That's another great question. We were shocked, so we get
there right, Mikey. And the table is set and they've
got like oi dures and you know, cheese and vegetable
platters to start, and of course they had vodka in
gin and wine and whatever we you know, whatever your heart.
Speaker 6 (04:58):
So hey, Peter, Holena, Peter, the world's best. Maybe this
giant cloth.
Speaker 8 (05:07):
Basket right and with a cloth pillow of sorts that
goes on top.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
And we're thinking, how is the dinner in there? Right?
Speaker 8 (05:16):
How's it going to stay hot? So I opened it
up and to serve Michelle dinner at the table, and
when I tell you, I couldn't even it was so hot,
and it had been there for a while. I don't
know what this magic thing is, but I had to
grab a cloth just to pick up the plates and
the containers.
Speaker 6 (05:32):
And the dinner was fabulous.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
A little beef strogan off, if you will wait with beef.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
I thought you were a vegan.
Speaker 9 (05:42):
Good question.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
When quiet?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Sorry?
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Maybe it's because it was like in the treehouse.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
It was like away.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
I'm sorry, I don't know exactly. Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah, Billy, what were some of the sounds you heard
heard when you were you know, at nighttime?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Not the ones that you made that you heard that good.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
Point, Mike, tell me time.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
I you know, I am not able to, you know,
discern the difference between one animal in the dark.
Speaker 6 (06:22):
But in the morning, the next the morning this morning.
Speaker 8 (06:25):
When our guides and uh Dunal showed up, I described
the sounds and they knew immediately what they were. We
had cheetah right outside the cheeta Yeah, bad boons elephants.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
And you did not know that cheetah's handline.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
Trees right, Glad you mentioned it.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
I turned to Michelle at one point because we saw
all the tracks in the morning, and so I said
to them, now, I said, wait a minute, cheetah, I said,
correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
Can't they I'm trees, We're in a tree.
Speaker 8 (07:06):
And the answer is yes, they can, but they don't.
Speaker 7 (07:08):
So did you guys?
Speaker 8 (07:09):
I got to tell you about this tree. When you're
lying in bed right looking out at the wild. You know,
you have these giant green windows and you're looking when
you're lying in bed, you're looking out and it's almost
like you're at the omni theater because this tree is
so massive, it's four hundred years old, and the trunks
(07:30):
and the limbs are so thick, and they run right
through the treehouse and as you're looking out, you feel
like the tree is actually embracing.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
You, like you're lying in its arms, so to speak.
It is so magical. It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
You sound like a different person.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
It's life changing.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
I am now a bushman.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Well billy.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Before we let you go, you know, but before we
went in the air, you called me on my phone
and we were talking about, you know, this segment, and
then you asked me what the big entertainment stories were,
and I kind of hesitated, and then I, you know,
I said, well, you know Ethel Kennedy passed away at
ninety six years old, and you said, oh, and it
kind of weird, like, oh, obviously, rest in peace. But
that was the lead one and it's and it hesitated
(08:20):
because there's a bigger entertainment story that you don't know about.
Are you ready for it? We covered that yesterday. This
just broke today. We've been talking about it all day
on the show today. You're not gonna believe this. Make
sure you're sitting down. But Jennifer Lopez and Ben Affleck
(08:41):
are getting back together.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's crazy, Okay.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
I can't even know.
Speaker 8 (08:45):
I can't even hear that. I don't want to talk
about it.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
I refuse to talk about it.
Speaker 8 (08:51):
I'm done with them.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
They pulled the divorce papers and they're gonna even knew
their vows.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
No way.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, the big story is that Ben wrote a handwritten
letter said that the j lo and the parent that
rekindled it.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Oh my god, I'm gonna puke in my mouth.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
He's upsett.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, Billy, we don't want to ruin your trip to Africa,
so we're just kidding.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's only a joke.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah, please stop thinking about entertainment reports.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I enjoy your last moments in Africa.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, and we know Bill gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But Bill, we love you.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
And this is your last update from Africa, so we'll
see you next week.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
And you when you return, have a safe trip back.
Speaker 8 (09:36):
And and by the way, Mikey, thank you so much
for joining the team for the week. You guys, I
heard a lot of it and you gotta sounds fabulous.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (09:43):
I had a great time with Mikey.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
He's a good guy. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, last update from Bill cost though. We love you,
Uncle Bill, will see you next week.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I can't be the only one who woke up today
and realized this was the last check in from Billy
before he comes back. And I gotta say, I'm loving
these out for up gates, going to miss them.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
You know how on this show, every so often we
have a story that happens to one of us, well,
of all the people, Lisa Donovan, one of the sweetest
people we know, almost had a fist fight.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And if you would ask anybody about the Billy and
Lisa Show and you would say, which, which member do
you think almost got you a fight?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
What would you think?
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, her name starts with the wah, it.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Starts with w ends with any of.
Speaker 8 (10:31):
All people, Lisa has done a parking lot no less
what happened.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
It was like a scene out of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
So for the past ten years, just to give you
a backstory, I've always loved Jack Russell terriers. I've loved them.
I've always wanted to get one, and I've always wanted
to adopt a dog from a rescue. So on Friday,
I've been searching and searching and searching for all all
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you know, all these different websites of different rescue you organizations,
and I found one, and it was a two year
old Jack Russell Terrier and it was at the MSPCA
up in Nevan's in Mathuin.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That's the location.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
They have locations all over, but that was the one,
so I never told anyone. And I saw it on
Friday and they opened yesterday. Their adoption hours were from
twelve to three. That's when you could go. They don't
you know, you can't make a reservation, you just have
to show up. So off I go up to Mathuin.
I'm in the parking lot at you know, a half
an hour early before they open, sitting in my car.
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About ten minutes before twelve. I get out of my
car and I walk up to the door. The door's
locked because again it doesn't open until noon. There's maybe
another car too in the parking lot, sort of parked
where I am, and all of a sudden, like all
of these people get out of their cars. So we're
all waiting in line. But I'm the first person in
line okay to go through the door. So we start
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chit chatting with each other everyone in line, and a
woman two or three people behind me says, oh, what
are you here for? And I said, Oh, I'm here
for the Jack Russell Terrier Chloe. And she goes, that's
the dog I'm here for. And I was here before
you in the parking lots.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Oh boy, there we go. And she wasn't alone, right, No,
she brought she brought back.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
She brought a friend. And the woman starts laughing and
she goes, you have to let me in front of
you because that's my dog. And I was like, excuse me, oh,
and she was and you know she was elderly. Yes, okay,
I mean say she was elderly. I don't know how old,
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but so so I'm standing there and then the woman
behind her goes, I want that dog too.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Oh god.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
I'm like, oh my god, like this is not happening
to me. I almost burst into tears. And I'm standing
there and she's not giving up. She's like, you need
to let me in of you. I was here before
you in the parking lot. And I was like, okay, well,
what do I do?
Speaker 6 (13:06):
Like?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
What do I do? Like, what's the right thing to do?
So I left. I let her in front of me.
I was like, you know what, I can't do this,
and I burst into tears. I got in the cry.
I literally called Billy and I burst into tears because
I was like, wow, I literally just was thrown down
by another person over this beautiful animal. And I'm hoping
that she gets the dog. I'm not no, but but here, Winnie, Like,
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all I was thinking of driving back, was well, maybe
maybe it's a good thing that I didn't like basically
get into a fight with her in the parking lot,
because what if the dog wasn't even available, then we
all look really silly. So you know, I hope that
the dog went to a good home, but I'm still
so angry.
Speaker 8 (13:47):
Yeah, a couple of things. Do you know for a
fact she was there before you? A? And B do
we know for a fact that she got the dog.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
I don't know either of those. I just know that
I was sitting there half an hour before, and she
could have been in the parking lot. I have no idea.
I just know that I got out of my car
in the cold and was standing in the cold for
ten minutes before the door opened, and I was first
in line.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, so two things here. I think you did the
right thing, although you know, every fiber of my being
would would want you to fight back.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
But you did the right thing. You did the adult thing, right.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
But the other thing is that's a debate in and itself. Okay,
so she if she was there before you in the
parking lot in her car, and then you come up
and you're at the door first, but she was in
the parking lot first, who's first exactly?
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Well, that's your opinion. I don't know. I don't know
the answer to that.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
Like geographically or biologically whatever it is. If you're physically
at the door, that's.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Where the line starts. The line doesn't start in your car,
you know what I mean. You're right, that's true. She
was in the comfort of her own car.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
The best rule of follows you ask yourself in situations
like this, you ask yourself, what would Winnie do? No
woman up against the wall before she let her in
front of it's going to be in jail on.
Speaker 9 (15:07):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Like it just there was no upside for me. I
was going to feel bad if I got the dog
and she didn't, because she would have been staring at
me like how dare you? And then and then leaving.
I felt bad. So again I want to give a
shout out because I think that adopting a pet, like
you've done. Billy is such an amazing thing. So I
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will continue my search, but I do want to give
a shout out because that is the most beautiful facility
up there, the Nevin's Farm MSPCA facility. I was blown away.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, so it's about one minute from my house.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
My wife goes there a lot with my daughter to
see the animals. She my daughter, Jemma, loves it. But
you want to hear then the best part about the story,
not the best But Lisa called me, I think on
the way there, right, because she knew it was there
my house.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, I didn't see the call.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I was, you know, with my daughter, but she was
calling to say say, hey, I'm going to get this
terrier and I want to come by the house and
show you.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
And the fami. There's no dog. There was no dogs.
It was a long drive back to Milton alone, wasn't it.
Speaker 9 (16:13):
Yeah, is your family expecting a dog?
Speaker 5 (16:15):
No, they knew nothing about it.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was her decision.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
She's the mother of the house.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
And I'm glad I didn't say anything because nothing happened.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Yeah, but now we can launch an all out search
for an adoptable Jack Russell Terrier carrier.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
I didn't know the terriers were.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's such high demand, and here come the terriers, very frisky,
very playful.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Yeah, it's said the things when you're looking ow beautifully.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
These dogs are the things that in some countries these
dogs are eating. Dude, you were featured on Channel five
twice last night at five and again at eleven.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I watched the five o'clock one with Maria Stefano. Shout
out to her, and I just watched the eleven o'clock
one online.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
You have it.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
It's different, it's different. Okay, you to see it.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, there's more of it. So yeah, amazing job by her.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
And I want to thank her for in our whole team,
for coming and talking to me and you know, telling
my story. See you guys know my story. I mean,
you know all the crazy story. I mean, Winnie and
I do an after show. I talk about all that
kind of raw stuff. But you know, to sit down
in kind of a one on one setting and kind
of go into more detail was not easy to do,
but I thought it was important. It's important to get
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that message out.
Speaker 8 (17:26):
And Maria did a beautiful job presenting it. Michelle and
I both cried on the couch a lot of crying.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
My phone hasn't stopped since then. Obviously, my wife and
I cried, you know when it happened. I kind of
lost it a little bit because we've been through a lot,
you know, we've been through a lot together, and to
get to this moment, you know, I'm living my dream
on the radio.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
She's living her dream as a nurse.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
You know, and then your dream together of owning a home, and.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Yeah, it's just really cool.
Speaker 10 (17:53):
Hey, justin just felt like I needed to call. The
story about you and Jen was incredible. The biggest one.
The biggest part for me was that you walked by
people on the ground when you went to the garden,
and nobody that you worked with knew that that was
you in the past. That was the biggest, the most
emotional part of watching that incredible story.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Keep up the great work.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah, as someone that works with you every day, we
talk about your past, but like, I don't think it
always resonates how real it was for you, because for me,
it's stories from like fifteen years.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Ago, right, Yeah, I make them funny. Yeah, you know
it wasn't funny at the time. It's funny to look
back at them now. But yeah, I spent a good
amount of time on the streets in Boston, living at
Saint Francis House, living at Kingston House, being kicked out
of those places, kicked out of the shelter and having
nowhere to go, Sleeping on the Boston common, you know
what I mean, every day trying to get a bed,
a free care bed, no health insurance, right, had no money,
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and I would sleep on the bench and I would
try to sleep, get up. I'd go ask someone for
a quarter to call the detox at seven am and
they would say, sorry, justin no beds today, call back tomorrow.
Oh my god, day after day. So I remember the moment. So, yes,
that's why I brought it up, because you know.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
We go out a lot. Yeah, we're in Boston. We
see those people, and I'm like, I don't think they
really understand.
Speaker 8 (19:07):
Yeah, so we do, trust me, we do.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Now.
Speaker 8 (19:11):
Maria teased the eleven o'clock because it was a totally
separate piece covering different materials.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
So how different was it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
I go more into you know, when I was growing
up my love of radio, listening to this show while
I was incarcerated studying kind of the breakdown of the show,
just because I was a fan, and then you know,
getting out and going back to college and Northern Essex
and all that.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So I go more into detail. I mean, you have to.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Remember when I got cleaned with my wife, I lived
in a rooming house. We had no cars, we had
no money, we had nothing, you know, and she's stuck
by me the entire time. She watched my kind of
ride and then she got on her journey.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You know, she loved me when I was three hundred
and fifty pounds. Imagine that when the dollar menu was
my best friend, you know, and she never said anything
to me, she never judged me.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
She loved me through it. And you know, I love her.
So I had to give her a good shout out
because she's so important.
Speaker 8 (20:03):
So so I'm guessing I probably ended pretty well.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Now she's sick as a dog. Oh God, bad timing
as a dog. Shout out to everybody.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
I justin.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I don't usually watch Channel five News at five, but
I did because I wanted to see you and hear
your story.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
I am so proud of you.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
I just can't. I mean, you brought me to tears.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
Keep up what you're doing, and you are great.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
And again I just I'm just so proud of you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Take you love you.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
But bye.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Can I just tell you one of my favorite parts
of this whole thing. I came in this morning now
my piece air last night. I came in this morning,
four am, and there were about one hundred and fifty
talkbacks and there's even.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
More trained them. So well, then we go. We've trained
them like they saw my piece and they knew. Oh
I got to leave a talkback. Yeah I did.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Well, that's the Billy and Lisa show has a dedicated follower.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I have to ask your parents watch my mother. My
mother did. She was very very emotional, Yeah, very emotional.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I don't know if my dad saw yet. It's kind
of a you know, I love my dad, but you
know it's a touchy subject. Yeah, I don't really talk
about my past.
Speaker 10 (21:10):
He will.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
He's super proud of me, I know, but you know
it's it's tough.
Speaker 7 (21:13):
Man about your brother and.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
My brother did not message me yet. But he's a touchy,
touchy subject.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
I gotta tell you though, and I don't want to
get involved, but if it's a touchy subject, your dad
should watch.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I think he will, No, I know he will. I
know he's proud of me, but you know, get it more.
You know, I put him through a lot, but he
was always he was always the one to come visit me.
You know, he never turned his back on me.
Speaker 9 (21:36):
So yeah, yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Thank you, Thank you to everybody.
Speaker 9 (21:41):
Okay, welcome into the Billy and Lisa's show this morning.
And this morning on the.
Speaker 8 (21:46):
Billy and Lisa Show, we have ourselves a situation. I
think it's best to call it a situation. Justin. All
I know is I got a call from Justin and
this never happens. He actually called me three times in
a row because I couldn't answer the phone.
Speaker 9 (22:00):
I said, wow, we just called three two minutes, Like,
what's going on? I said, this has got to be good.
And then I finally get him back, and before he
even says hello to me, he says, oh my god,
oh my god, You're not gonna believe what's going on?
So Justin, what's going on?
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I was in my ice bath that I do every night,
and I got out and I kind of stand there
and open my phone, kind of my routine, and the
very first thing that pops up is Bill Belichick's girlfriend
Jordan Jordan Hudson. It's been a lot to talk about her.
She's a cheerleader, former cheerleader, and you know she's dating Bill. Yeah,
he's forty nine years older. That's kind of the story.
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We've been talking about it.
Speaker 8 (22:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
And when he made some comments on the show on
Monday about Jordan and her cheerleading career, let me play
that for you real quick.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
She was Bridgewater State cheerleader, which is Division III, which
isn't even like competition level.
Speaker 9 (22:52):
I could have been a Bridgewater cheerleader.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
So you know, if you're a regular listener of the
Billion Lisa Show, you know when he she likes to
pop off at the mouth. And while Jordan was listening,
or someone that knows Jordan was listening, and she posted
a picture of her pointing a championship ring at the
camera and she wrote, at Winny's World, I would like
to extend an invitation for you to attend the winter
tryout for the eight time national Champion cheerleading program at
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BSU Cheerleading. And since you are so confident that you
can make the team, as you stated live on the air,
I'd love for you to bring a kiss one away
camera crew to film your undeniable domination of our pathetic
little D three cheerleading program. I can't wait to see
you in January. Don't poke the bear and ps Winny
(23:39):
kiss my dot dot dot National Championship ring.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
Yeah, that's my favorite part right there, kiss my dot
dot dot National champion Ring.
Speaker 9 (23:49):
Now here's the deal.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Right when the story broke that Bill Belichick was dating Jordan,
Jordan twenty four years old.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
How old's Bill?
Speaker 9 (23:57):
He's seventy two eighth.
Speaker 8 (23:58):
I think obviously they expected people, right at least to
talk about it, and people have been you know, they
went very public.
Speaker 9 (24:06):
Yeah, I mean they expected that.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
I don't think what Jordan expected was for somebody to
attack her cheerleading skills.
Speaker 9 (24:16):
Okay, she's a national champion. I didn't attack her skills.
Oh you want us to play it again?
Speaker 11 (24:21):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I said, was that before you defend yourself?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
She was Bridgewater Steak cheerleader, which is Division three, which
isn't even like competition level.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty much saying I never said.
Speaker 9 (24:34):
I never said it was pathetic.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
She said pathetic.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I never said that.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Obviously, there's a level of athletics that think you need
to be a cheerleader. I'm not denying that there's also
different realms of a cheerleader. There's the one that does
the flipping and the flying, and there's one that spots
and holds them.
Speaker 9 (24:47):
You weren't thinking about that at the time. How do
you know what I was about cheerleaders in general?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I think I work out. I go to the gym
down the street way better. You a lot of weightlifting.
I have really strong legs. I could easily up a
one hundred pound.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Girl and let her fly the spotter spotter, So you
are going to accept I am.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I'm not saying that I'm gonna be doing backflips and tumbling.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
You can't let us down this competition, but I can share.
Speaker 7 (25:13):
Give me a bet, give me.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
A yeah, it's going to be the competition.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
I don't think the spotters have to talk right.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
You never hear from them right. And something else.
Speaker 9 (25:28):
I think they're never allowed to be the captain.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
You never noticed the spotter, Jilly.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
It is why I'm so scared for you.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Cheerleaders scare me in general, but d three cheerleaders, that's
more scary.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Good luck.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
You know what, Here's what I think.
Speaker 9 (25:50):
First of all, you have challenged Jordan to come on
the show.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Right, So I sent her our information. I invited her on.
So either Jordan was listening to our show or friends
of hers, maybe people from the cheerleading program, we'd love
to have her on. I sent her the information she
can issue the challenge to Winnie live on the end.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
And I love that Belichick and Jordan and all of
those friends that their friends are listening to this show.
Do you know a couple of minutes ago, Kevin came
down the hall Kenny, I mean, Kenny came down the
hall from ZLX The Rich the rich Shertainley Show and
wants to have winning on, like Winnie's going to be
their number one segment today.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Yeah, I know, other sports stations in and around Boston
are also talking.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
About the post this post. Bill's talking about it.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
One thing I'm not is scared.
Speaker 8 (26:37):
I got to tell you, you know, first of all,
you have to accept the challenge and enter the competition.
But then I think you counter challenge Jordan and challenge
her to a powerlifting competition. Okay, you know, I mean,
then again, she didn't attack you.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I didn't really feel I wasn't trying to be like
outwardly like attacking her.
Speaker 5 (26:57):
I was just saying that we talked about I kind
of think I kind of think that's what the conversation
was about.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, well, when you know what you said.
Speaker 11 (27:06):
You know it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I know it, they know it.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Here we are.
Speaker 9 (27:11):
It's a Wednesday morning, it's May eighth. The Karen Reid
trial has everybody.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
I mean, I got to tell you off the record,
the last couple of minutes off the air, we had
a zillion questions we're throwing at Katherine the loft us.
Speaker 9 (27:23):
Catherine has joined us in studio. She is a lawyer,
has been a lawyer for like ten years.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
Somehow, you've done over one hundred videos on the Karen
Reid trial on TikTok and by the way, on social
you're known is note my objection. That's right, Okay, Katherine,
here's the deal. We all you saw it a few
minutes ago. We all have so many questions about the
Karen retriw So I want you, for starters anyway, to
present the case fore and against and let us be
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the jury and then we can ask any questions we want.
Speaker 11 (27:52):
So I think you know it's interesting, Billy, because there are,
like you said, there's two different sides to the case,
and really if you watching it close, it's almost as
if there's two different cases. What the Comwealth is saying
is that on the night of January twenty eighth into
January twenty ninth, that Karen Reid and John O'Keeffe were
at a bar in Canton, there were a number of
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people there. They were invited back to the Albert's house,
Brian Alberts House, which is at thirty four Fair and
that in the intervening time between coming from the Waterfall
bar back to the house, that John O'Keeffe in fact
never went into the house, and that Karen Reid backed
up to him, into him and let him essentially hit
him and essentially left him on the ground. That prosecution,
(28:36):
that's the prosecution side. That's the very base level explanation.
But just to get that out there.
Speaker 7 (28:41):
What the defense is saying is is essentially too prong
they have right now.
Speaker 11 (28:46):
They're presenting what's called a Boden defense, which is essentially
they're attacking the police investigation and all of the witnesses
that we have seen so far, the police officers, the firefighters,
everyone who's testified there, attacking what they did on the scene,
what they heard, how they could elected evidence, how they
stored it, because at the end of the trial, what
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they'll ask the judge is to instruct the jury that
the omissions in the police investigation was so significant that
the jury should factor that in.
Speaker 7 (29:15):
Now we have heard in the pre trial litigation.
Speaker 11 (29:19):
About potentially a third party culprit, whether they're going to
be bringing in evidence that somebody else did this inside
the house that has not been presented in court yet.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
And again the defense is not required to put that on.
Speaker 11 (29:32):
It's the comwealth burden to prove whether Karen Reid is
guilty or not of the child is brought against her.
So there is a possibility that we never even hear
about a third party culprit, and the defense really just
hammers in on the police omissions and investigations.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
So it's been interesting. We're only in a week and
a half and it's pretty interesting already.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
Do you think the video that they played the prosecution
played earlier this week or it may have been late
last week. Do you think that video kind of turned
a lot of people on the case change their minds?
Speaker 7 (30:00):
Can I ask which video the video in front of.
Speaker 8 (30:03):
The house during the snowstorm, when Karen was yelling and
screaming and said the words I hit him, I hit them.
Speaker 9 (30:09):
At least you can hear that on the tape. You
think that may have swayed people one way or another.
Speaker 11 (30:14):
So from my recollection, you can't hear her on the
tape saying I hit him, I hit him. What you
can see is she's clearly distraught, she's clearly hysterical. You know,
this snow coming down, it's windy, this it clearly paints
a very picture of a chaotic scene. But we do
have testimony from multiple firefighters and paramedics and one police
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officer that essentially a scribe and guilt to her. Now,
the defense has been attacking that by saying that they
all have at least some sort of flaws in their
memory because they weren't written in their reports correctly. So
again every time, it's almost as if the calmonwealth, you know,
scores a little bit of a point and then the
defense takes it away. So it's it's kind of even
(30:57):
I would say, as of right now, you.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
Know what's really cool that's going on right now? I
think in a real trial, the jury should get to
ask questions. And now we're the jury and we get
to ask questions.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Go Lise, So you set up the scene basically the basics.
What is Karen Reid's defense, Like, what does she say
happened that night?
Speaker 6 (31:18):
So she.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
In court, she's not saying anything yet, Okay.
Speaker 11 (31:24):
So and that's what I try to tell my followers
when I'm talking on my page is that I'm not
I don't try to convince anybody of one side or
the other, but just really try to break down what
we've seen, because what we have seen pre trial is
that these allegations that something else happened in the house,
that he was killed in a physical altercation.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
There's been discussions about a dog being involved.
Speaker 11 (31:45):
We haven't actually seen that presented in court yet. So
I think it's important that we relying on what the jury,
because the jury, at the end of the day, isn't
looking at what's on Twitter or a blogs or people
are saying. They're deciding the evidence in front of them.
So right now, the only thing the defense is doing
is attack and attack in attack every witness that the
Comwealth puts on. They're attacking their credibility, they're attacking their
ability to you know, be fair and unbiased, and whether
(32:09):
when they talk quite a bit about what they put
in the reports, why they didn't put them in. Every
lawyer knows, every police officer knows, every firefighter knows. You
have to write. If you hear say something, you have
to put it in a report, because if you don't
put in a report, the reliability is reduced. So that's
essentially right now, the defense is just attacking the police investigation.
It's to be seen whether they'll actually introduce evidence of
(32:30):
a third party culprit.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
It does seem like a combination of first responders and
police officers on the scene that night really kind of
messed a lot of stuff up. I mean, like really
stupid mistakes.
Speaker 11 (32:46):
I think from my perspective looking at the police officers,
the detectives, lieutenants responding, I think, the firefighters and the paramedics,
my evaluation is they're being pretty forthcoming. You know, they're
there to save John O'Keeffe, you know, so their goal
isn't to really preserve the scene.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
It's not to get statements.
Speaker 11 (33:06):
It's to make you know, they get a call that
there is an unconscious person, so you know that's not
their primary goal.
Speaker 7 (33:12):
Their primary goal is life saving.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
When you talk about the police and we talk about
how they're collecting evidence and understanding that this is a
plastic red solo cops and it's the problem is is
that it just makes everything look messy. It's not standard,
it's not normal. And even if the scene is chaotic,
(33:36):
the weather is crazy, there have to have been some
alternative options as to how you collect that that that evidence,
and they didn't do that, which just quite frankly opens
the door for attack from the defense, right because everything
could be tainted, right.
Speaker 8 (33:52):
Yeah, And you said it a couple of minutes, and
we have to repeat, there's only one victim here, and
that's John O'Keeffe.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
That's great. So that's the bottom line.
Speaker 7 (33:59):
And it's and it's been unfortunate.
Speaker 11 (34:01):
And I think that in all of this, I think
the fact that he has lost lost his life and
however it happened is really it's almost become secondary to
what else is going on. And it's unfortunate because you
have a family, You have two kids that he was raising.
So I think it's important to remember really absolutely.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Absolutely Okay, Catherine, we're gonna ask you, is it okay?
Speaker 9 (34:21):
If we ask you to hang in with that, absolutely,
because again this is
Speaker 8 (34:25):
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