May 8, 2025 • 45 mins
The Billy & Lisa crew cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show including the Celtics losing game two at the TD Garden, and Katherine Loftus giving a Karen Read Trail update! Listen to Billy & Lisa weekdays from 6-10AM on Kiss 108!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now this morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billie and Lisa in the morning. It's just a great
start to.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
My day on Kids run Away.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Well, good morning everybody, and happy Thursday to you. Today
is May eighth. I'm looking outside listen, I do see
some sun. Is it going to stick around today?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, we'll have some this morning. You'll see more clouds
this afternoon at times will be near seventy But then
we get a lot of rain tomorrow, cold rain, so
the temperatures are going to drop today tonight.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well it'll slowly move in and then rain all day tomorrow.
Quite the change.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It's actually going to rain all day tomorrow through the
night into Saturday morning, and then we'll get some clearing.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's a good nap day tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
You think I'll get the baseball game in tonight from
my Yeah, absolutely great. Yes, they've been canceled. He's had
like three games canceled. We have to make them all up,
like next week.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
They make him up for seven year old, yeah, eight
year old.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
You know what's interesting, my son Riley plays golf. They've
never canceled a golf match because of rain, Like they
have to go out in snow pants and rain and
wind and lightning. They get pulled off the course, but
that's that's it. Wow, it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
Yeah. Well the field gets completely soaked in baseball. Oh god, yeah,
ponding all over the field. Yeah, I would have Riley
just trudged right through it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, like he's legit worn snowpants this spring.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And don't sound a siren if there's lightning they do.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Dangerous golf.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You have a very dangerous and you've got a long
way back to the clubhouse. Sometimes.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
We're going to talk a lot about it and break
it down in the Entertainment Report at six forty this morning.
But the Celtication fell asleep last night, lost again to
the Knicks at home.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Should we be concerned?
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Very? I mean, yeah, they're down to zip. I was
angrily texting Billy in the second quarter because even though
they led the whole game, they still were missing shots.
They should have blew them out both games.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, they're clearly the better team, but we're not showing
us that.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Hey, it's still early, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
They could come back that the hole is getting deeper, Yeah,
climb out of it.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah. I love Tatum a little bit of a ball
hog Towards the end there.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
Well, you know he's looking for his Kobe moment and
he's a fantastic player, but you got to come through
in the end like that. Let's clutch.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
I love him too, but I feel like he just
couldn't get a basket yesterday and you had like nine
points by the fourth court. Let someone else take the
shot because none of your stots are clearly hitting.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
It's not your night.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, just reset yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 8 (02:28):
Yeah, I'm a choker. I'm a trash can.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Okay, that's the AI version of Tatum, right. You just
love that?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Oh well, you're more of that. Yeah. He couldn't do
the postgame interviews because there was a fire alarm in
the garden right after the game. They had empty the place.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Do you think Juice pulled it for him?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
It was complete mayhem at the TD Garden after the game,
outside and inside.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Never understood the anger to the point where you're having
street fights over a game.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I saw yesterday. The Knicks would not leave in this
lady there, she's like.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Get out, you need was and she fell over the
chairs that she was. It was hilarious because it was
all Knicks fans shouting Nickson for and she's yelling for security.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
She fell.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Please the building.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Anyway, we'll break it down in the entertainment were boy,
the only bigger event last night than the Celtics game
was Lisa's book Club over the Borders.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And yeah, we definitely had a win. That's good for
the Billy and Lisa in the morning show because Caroline
Kaepnaz drove all the way down to Hartford and we
were with our sister station down they're ninety five points
some and they were amazing.
Speaker 9 (03:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
We had a few hiccups going in Okay, Yeah, but
we managed and we pulled it together and it was
really fabulous.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
And yeah, you know what, the book club is undefeated.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And I want to thank all of the Boston crew,
all of the og but people, they were all there.
Speaker 10 (03:58):
Morning.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Everyone.
Speaker 10 (04:00):
It's Lynn from Rhode Island, Lisa. Just fun to say
what a great time I had at the book club tonight. Yes,
I'm leaving my talk back at ten thirty seven and
I'm still heading home. We had a great time. I
drove with Karen and Carrie and it was so much fun.
We had some laughs and yeah, Caroline did a great
(04:22):
job again so thank you again, and guys have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, it was. They all like carpools groups of people.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Well you did too, didn't the author Caroline kept to
ride home with you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
She did, yeah, she did so that it was fun
and then she hung out like for an hour when
we got home and we just chatted. So it was
a late night.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
The book club undefeated, sellout in every single book club winning.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You were there, of course I was. I mean the
track down, of course, of course.
Speaker 11 (04:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
It was first of all Farmington where it was in.
It's like a Medford or like a quinsy of Hartford.
The cutest town, like legit farm like little farms and
like the and stuff beautiful like old buildings and the venue,
farming gardens.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I would get married there.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, it's it was really nice, really beautiful.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Why don't you just move there?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I don't can afford it, but that's always a bonus.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Saw actually, Karen, one of our book club, and lind
Back they also they saw three bears. They showed me
right down the street in someone's yards. It was crazy.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Wow, And Lisa and I are back out tonight. Dinner
with an author at the Newbury Hotel this evening, I'll
be hosting a table with mine and Jenny's cookbook.
Speaker 12 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It's Raising a Reader's biggest gala. So they invite New
England authors to host tables. It's amazing. And Billy this
year is an author and I'm sitting with him because
they're giving me an award, the Champion Award.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's amazing, Lisa Billy.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah together again.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He's just a book model at this point.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Okay, well, Bill's going to talk about all the work
he had to put into writing that book.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, yeah, how much work did you put in?
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Right now? Okay, are you joining the.
Speaker 11 (06:06):
Really?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I love that this is like such a full circle moment.
Yeah you think.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, let me ask you something. It's dinner with an author, right.
There will be multiple tables in the ballroom, right, each
with an author. Since I have a book that makes
me an author.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Right, yes, yeah, you're the Milli Vanilli of author writing.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well that they pay big money to stay with you.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, and it all goes to raising a reader, which
is part of your book club.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
You can talk about your inspiration, you know, yeah, where
it came from.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I can't believe you're joining the winning club.
Speaker 13 (06:39):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Blame it on the book.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
From the Planet Fitness Kiss one Away Studios. Well, we're
back with a Billy and Lisa in the morning Kiss.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Okay, welcome back everybody, and a happy Thursday to you.
It is May eighth, the sun is out and what's
the deal for today? Least that we'll get clouds later.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, increasing clouds. It'll still be like seventy for a high.
But then we get a lot of rain tomorrow and
it's gonna be very cold.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Man. What's a weird season? Justin you want to get
a couple of talkbacks in before we go with entertainment.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Oh yeah, we'd love to hear from you. Love to
get your input on anything you want to talk about.
You can leave your message on the iHeartRadio app the
talkback feature the little red little microphone there that you
press and sends it right to me.
Speaker 14 (07:32):
Good morning guys. So I'm all excited to be able
to put all of my tickets into one basket. That
Kiss Fanway donated too for the Lawrence Elks having a
comedy show this weekend for a Sergeant Charles Standen, a
dear friend of mine that is no longer with us,
and Sergeant and Taylor and I can't believe. I hope
(07:54):
I win it. I'm going to put all my tickets
in that. It's for a tour of the studio and
pictures and I hope.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Like it behind the scenes tour of Billion Lisa in
the Morning.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Correct, I donate that to this event, aren't you nice?
It's this weekend and yeah, it's the benefit to police
sergeants from Bill, Ricca and Lawrence who lost their lives.
It's a comedy show. It's at the Lawrence Elks this weekend,
and one of the raffle prizes is a tour of
the studio. They get to command meet us and watch
the last segment of the show.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh can I add something to that package? Winnie will
take them to lunch.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Oh on her dime?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
No, I'm Billy's.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Oh she will, but I'm Billy's.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Yes, I will entertain on Billy's.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I don't want any part of that entertain. Yeah. It's
at the Lawrence Ouks this weekend. So if you want
to enter and raise some money for a good cause
and possibly meet Billy and Lisa, you can enter there.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
You go, look at that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's a great prize.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
This building is the Radio station is really cool. Yeah,
it's it's really it's giant. There's all kinds of things
going on, as you know, obviously the studios, the talent,
you know, all the announcers, but then there's also all
these cool pictures on the wall of all of our events.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, it's such a pretty building.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
So yeah, enter if you want to win.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Now the entertainment update with a Billy Codstad.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Okay, if you're just waking up. The Celtics a lost
Game two in the Garden last night. They're down two
games zip in the series. Now they lost both games
here in Boston. So much to unpack from this game.
Last night, the Celts blew another twenty point lead. The
Knicks had a huge run late in the game. The
Celts had the ball in the final seconds. Here was
(09:37):
the call of time.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Here it's treatum, rotten some time, treatum and overing.
Speaker 15 (09:50):
The X. They got it, say for it.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
New York has cut up two games.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Turn on.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, wasn't There were steal in the final seconds of
Game one two?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Same guy?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah, they stripped them of the ball.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So can they climb out of us?
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Oh? I don't know. Ninety of teams that have lost
the first two games.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
On home court have have not No, but you know
what Boston is. You know we're legendary for breaking those Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Little Yeah, never gonna give a hope. They have to
play better they do.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, and this is a weird playoff season. A lot
of the home teams are losing.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah. The Cavs lost twice.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (10:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Meantime, the Celts late in the game should have and
could have called the time out, but they didn't. Coach Misoula,
what happened?
Speaker 16 (10:31):
Had one left, got a good look on the exact
same play twenty seconds earlier, tried to execute the exact
same thing. They did a better job of their lower
pickup point, and we weren't able to get the advantage
that we had on that on the last Tatum dunk
so good full court sitting, they weren't. They stubbed out,
Towns weren't able to step out Brunston had no action
there and just say an extecute.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, same play didn't work this time. Jalen Brown on
another home game loss.
Speaker 15 (10:53):
God, it's a great starts we guarded. We played physical
energy today to start the fourth quarter. I thought we
got like four or five grade looks in a row
that didn't go in. You know, what's done is done.
Now we got an opportunity to see what we made
of you know, come out, try to make something happen.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Game three, so Tatum couldn't do a postgame interview because
the fire alarm sounded shortly after the game and the
TD Garden garden had to be evacuated. Thanks to AI,
we did get this mock Tatum comment.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
I'm a choker, I'm a trash can, and I went
ghost when it mattered most once again, just like last game.
I'm the biggest playoff choker you will ever find. And
I was hoping I would get carried to the finals
again just like last year. But I went from Jason
Tatum to Jason break them tonight because I damn near
(11:42):
broke the Rims with all my bricks. The Rims got
pounded harder than Diddy at a Diddy party.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Y Again, that was AI. That was that was that
Wasson and Billy.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Okay, did I create that? Winny? Did I create that?
Speaker 9 (11:57):
Mean?
Speaker 6 (11:57):
That created that?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You put it on the screen?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I said, there was a lot to unpass.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
And by the way, listen, we love Jason Tatum. But
you're a professional athlete that you got to show up here,
you know, and you know what, he'll bounce back.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Ye, sure he will. And then there was the chaos
in the garden after the game, and there was fighting
in the streets after the game. Now, this is something
I've never understood, that level of anger where you're rolling
around in the streets kicking and punching each other. Yeah,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Oh, they were beefing all up and down Cosway Street,
cops everywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's frustrating.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
And then there was a.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Woman in the garden after the game who was going
at it with like about one hundred Knicks fans who
were chanting Nixon four. And she's shouting for security and
she fell over the chairs and oh god.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I'm sure you probably make minimum age twenty bucks an hour.
Speaker 17 (12:48):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You don't have to deal with that.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, she had her lamin it all.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Game three, New York, three thirty Saturday afternoon. Meantime, the
Red Sox won last night they beat the Rangers. Chapman
on the mound for the Red Sox throwing heat.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Trim just got a piece of it.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
One old.
Speaker 18 (13:09):
Wow, that was one hundred and four miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, he broke his own record. And Walter Goggins from
The White Lotus is gonna be the guest host on
Saturday Night Live this weekend the season finale. They posted
a hilarious promo yesterday. It was very White lotusgins. Yeah,
are you bro?
Speaker 6 (13:27):
You excited to host? So excited?
Speaker 12 (13:29):
Man?
Speaker 19 (13:29):
You know it's the last show before the season finale, right, yeah,
I'm just super curious to see how the whole thing's
gonna end.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Ye.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
What do you mean, who's gonna die? Show man?
Speaker 19 (13:40):
It's that's an l you know. I mean I'm gonna die? Right,
No one's gonna die. Okay, Look, can I say my theory?
You don't have to tell me if I'm right. Colin Jost,
Michael Jay ursuicide.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
No Goggins, what's up?
Speaker 9 (13:56):
Baby Meal?
Speaker 6 (13:57):
What's up?
Speaker 9 (13:57):
Man?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
It'd be a good week dead Man walking.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
These are real people, They're not characters.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
It's not that some thing real. No one is dying.
Speaker 20 (14:05):
That's exactly what someone who's about to die would say.
I bet you get killed by Heidi. It's not Heidi. Okay, Okay,
you get killed by Chloe. No, no, no, that's way
too obvious. Oh my god, I know who it is.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
It's Boeing. It's always been Boing.
Speaker 20 (14:24):
It would always ever be Bowing because he hates you.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Listen, man, I think you're a nice guy. We're gonna
have a great week. But you're acting a little bit too.
I should have been Domingo. I did not see that, Chloe, right.
For Steege Television, it was Michael the whole time. Oh,
usually those are so bad that one is really good.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
In Rome, the first full day of voting for the
new pope today, reports say some of the cardinals are
actually watching the movie Conclave to get some tips because
some of them have never experienced a conclaim. And then
you have the CBS anchor who got raunchy talking about
the Concome. The one thing we know what they're not
doing is checking Instagram because their devices a whole I.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Believe the kids.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
I believe the kids call it raw dogging it if
you're going to go through a long period of time
with no electronic device.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, oh right, Well that was a strange thing to.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Say a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Ben Affleck on podcast expressing sympathy for Britney Spears saying
fame can be cruel and.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Is years and years ago.
Speaker 21 (15:33):
Like, I really had a lot of empathy for Britney
Spears because I remember that it seemed like it's not
somebody that I knew or hung out with. But I,
just like everybody else, you see all this that comes
through and I but having had my own experiences myself,
I knew like, these are people are following her around
in a time where she may or may not have
been having difficulty. I don't know, because I don't know her,
(15:55):
but I do know that the cycle of having people
harangue and yet at you and hassle you and follow you,
it kind of seemed like that itself was kind of
whipping up the whole thing into it.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I like Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
He's such a cool guy.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Halaria Baldwin went on the Today Show yesterday talking about
her memoir and she was asked about the fake Spanish accent.
Speaker 9 (16:18):
You know, I'm so glad that.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You asked that.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I talk about a lot in the book.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 22 (16:23):
I think code switching is a really important term that
people can start to get to know you doesn't get
to know a little bit more so, I encourage you
to read the book.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
There's been some headlines though, based on it that you
feel like aren't really accurate too, right.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I mean it's.
Speaker 13 (16:41):
About code switching.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, well about how the code switching, and I think there.
Speaker 22 (16:45):
Was Again, I talk about it so much in the book,
and I think that for those who are interested, there's
a lot of learning about how the brain functions and
how people who go between two languages all the time.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, how we find you?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
She frightens me. She should be a character on you, right.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
But she believes her own hysteria. That's the thing. You're right,
she could be on you.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
It's code switching. Yeah, just read the book.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Code Switching works for actually grow up in Spain and
then came to America.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Right, it's actually Hillary from Boston.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Hey, justin not it's official now the Real Housewives of
Rhode Island is happening, so it'll be the latest spin off.
Now I ask this question, do you remember Rich Demari?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm glad you're bringing this up.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yes, who was justin before?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Justin?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yes, Okay worked on this show and has talked openly
or maybe privately with us about he and his wife
Rosie being on the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. So
do you think they are well?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
This Like a year ago, there was like something that
was like a fake thing that was put out on
social with her being cast as one of them because Rosie,
she was an intern here. She's from Massachusetts. Then she
was a news anchor in Rhode Island, so she does
have a connection to Rhode Island. So I'm just wondering
if she's on the show, we have to reach out
to Rich one.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Of the requirements. I wonder what they really look for
Normally someone has money power.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
And being a news anchor in Rhode Island.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I'm sure hell absolutely.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Oh one of our beloved listeners, Lynn from Rhode Island.
I wonder if she's gonna try to be on it.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Oh yeah, wasn't it Rich's birthday yesterday?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You know, I'm so glad that you asked that.
Speaker 15 (18:34):
It was.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Sad news this morning. Three Doors Down had to cancel
their summer tour. Singer Brad Arnold has stage four kidney cancer.
Oh my sad story. Good band, Yeah, really sad, So, Lisa.
Last night was the book Club at Hartford. A great night.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Shout out to everyone down at our sister Station Kiss
ninety five point seven. They didn't amazing job like Adam,
their program director Courtney Savannah, and then Caroline Kepnis like,
huge shout out to her for doing the drive and
being so entertaining. She has so many great stories and yeah,
so she broke the news yesterday that there will be
(19:16):
a prequel to you. The book comes out in twenty
twenty six and you will see it probably on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
So what's the next book club event?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
All right, we do Gregory maguire, he wrote Wicked and
Elfie is a prequel, So Cynthia Reva will be starring
in that. He will be joining me on May twenty first,
Lisa's book Club at Joss and Maine at the Burlington Mall. Wow,
it's completely sold out.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
And Cynthia Rivo is in Boston tonight kicking off the
Pops News season.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Yes she is.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
By the way, you might want to go to Boston
pops dot org to get tickets for any of the
shows and possibly even tonight for Cynthia Orrevo.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
I don't think so, No, not for tonight. I said.
Maybe maybe there's a chance.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
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Speaker 2 (20:16):
You know, I'm so glad that you asked that.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
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Speaker 5 (20:31):
Hey guys, so welcome back.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
It's the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. And I'm sorry
we're outside talking to Attorney Catherine Loft just because we're
coming in a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Her with question.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah, we already have questions, uh that have come
in on the talkbacks for her. If you want to
leave a question for her, she's gonna break down what
went down this week and take your questions. You can
leave a talkback on the iHeart app. Just look for
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Speaker 4 (20:52):
Speaking of talkbacks, we got some, all right.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
You want to go around the world real quick? Yes,
all right? How about we go to let me see Bulgaria.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
This is less checking in this morning from like Kolenova
Fortress in Bulgaria, and I think I may have been
the first one to check in from Bulgaria. Romania was
so beautiful and the people super friendly. But we're definitely
looking forward to the rest of our trip. Thank you,
Billy for your morning news and entertainment reports.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I love the catch up with those every day.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Did I get a thank you from Bulgaria?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
You did?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's insane?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Wow, bragging rights totally, that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Justin when was the last time you were thanked from Bulgaria?
Speaker 12 (21:38):
Never?
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Okay never? When he's never thanked me? Yeah, and you
won't get a thank you from him. But I do
notice that people that move out of Boston listen a
lot to the show, but they love Billy's News because
it keeps them, you know, updated on what's going on here.
I don't know that. By the way, we do podcast
your News every single day as a stand alone, so
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you can go to the podcast Billy and Lisa in
the Morning on the iHeart app.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Well, if I had known that, I would have paid
more attention to it.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Can I mention just one little thing that I learned
last night at the book club. We had some people
that have moved out of the area but still listen
to the stream. They said that my traffic reports go
over the stream and they enjoy listening to Boston traffic reports.
Really it makes them more comforted in fact, yeah, that
their traffic isn't as bad. I thought that was so interesting.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Wow, Lisa, thank you for everything that you'll save.
Speaker 13 (22:34):
The speaking of the book club, Good morning, lovely morning crew,
it's book club and broken shoulder Marsha. I'm so glad
I was able to go last night to Lisa's book club.
What an amazing event, great job, and everyone there was
just so lovely. The venue was amazing. Everyone from ninety
five to seven was great, and it was just so
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nice to be able to go and have our Caroline
there again. And I'm looking forward to everything coming from her.
So thanks again, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, thanks Marcia for driving all that way.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
So ninety seven point five or is it ninety five
point seven?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Ninety five point seven? Kiss? Ninety kiss?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Does Marcia have a broken shoulder?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I think she used to She's fine now.
Speaker 23 (23:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
She actually did a road race recently around the marathon.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Good for her?
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Yeah, wow, yeah, the shoulder pain sucks. Billy has shoulder.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Oh god, yeah, it never ends.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
How's it going?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
It's actually pretty good, thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Okay, yeah, well remember you injured it on on television? Yes,
I did.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
The kids, Well that was the first one. There was
another one with a couple of the bruins.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Oh on the ice yeah yeah, right kids? Where is it?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Find the ball?
Speaker 12 (23:43):
Well?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Did you hear the box?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's so bad.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, it's in humiliating seeing the look on the couch.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It was on the light up dance floor.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, but then to see them all just walking away
in horror.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Where's the video of it?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
It exists, It's out there somewhere.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Ye can we get it?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
If you searched it, you could probably find it. I
think someone did once.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Do we know where it was?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It was its children's museum in Boston.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Okay, all right, I'm on quick question.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
When does Stranger Things five come out? Well, they are
on break.
Speaker 23 (24:21):
I've had two babies.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
What two months of bar but come on release?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I totally agree. I guess it's sometime this summer.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Yes, the first teaser drops May thirty. First, the first
teaser slash trailer and will hopefully give the date of
the release, which is the summer.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
What are they waiting for?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
This one's going to be big? Really? Are you watch?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Are you a fan of Stranger Things?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Massive?
Speaker 8 (24:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I was a massive fan. I have to go back
and rewatch the last season.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
I just did. I watched them all with my son.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, I need to.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Yeah, it's you should watch it, Billy. I know it's
a kid show, but it's really there's only.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
So much I can watch. I'm inensconsin you. I'm binge
watching that, and I'm binge watching five seasons of Breaking Bad.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But Stranger Things takes you back to the eighties. It
gets so nostalgic. Yes, it's and they and they're perfect,
all the songs, all the clothes, a lot of big hair. Yeah,
with the way the houses look, the cars.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Yeah, all right, it's a great show. And I know
you look at it and you're like, oh, it's kids,
but anybody can watch it. It's good, all right? Yeah,
and you love the eighties. Go back to the eighties.
I'm Bill Costa, here's Dave. Let's go back to the
eighties with Bill. Practically with the highs both days about
eighty degrees. It's seventy one outside the studios. Now, I'm
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Bill Costa. Here's day.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, oh my god, Dave? Oh I think that was
Dave Eisman with an eye?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Was he like afternoon Heisman with an eye? Yes, he
was mid days really really good DJ too okay. And
he's a big real real estate agent.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So did you do news after the mornings.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Afternoon news?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, they had afternoon news and entertainment in the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That's where the Entertainment Report was born. Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, you're a legend. But that voice that is just
so not your.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Why am I talking so fast when you play that?
Speaker 6 (26:12):
It was a tape? No, no, no, it was the
tapes that you used to record back then, the reels.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I think I could compress it or something. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I'm Bill cos I kiss Hey, guys, welcome back to
Billy and Lisa Morning Show. We've got Catherine Loftus, our
in house legal expert working the Karen Reid case. Here's
the problem with having Katherine in. Catherine comes in and
we're all so worked up about the Karen Reid trial
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that we ask all of our questions off the air.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Now we can reask them on the air, and we.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Know you listening have a lot of questions, so you
can give us a call at six one, seven nine
or justin. They can send talkbacks in right now, right.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, they're already here. I'm sitting on a bunch already.
But yeah, on the iHeartRadio app, just hit the little
microphone there and record your question right into your phone.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
It's really simple, okay, Catherine. In my eyes, the trial
reminds me now that it's not TV, it's not a movie.
It's so damn boring. But it was boring until they
played the voicemail from Karen read the night of the killing.
Speaker 17 (27:23):
So you know, this is the interesting thing about the
way that Attorney Brennan is presenting the case and sort
of the back and forth is that after really you know,
tedious witness or you know, cross examination things that they're
voluing back back and forth, then we get these clips.
So he's he's sort of you know, sprinkling them in
throughout the case in a really interesting way. I think
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it's very strategic the manner in which he plays them.
But as you said, this is not quote TV, this
is not you know, CSI trials are boring and sometimes
some of the most important evidence, you know, like the
Jessica Hyde who was testifying yesterday, It's very heavy, it's
very monotonous, it's very technical, and even though it's boring,
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it has to be gone through.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
How crucial is that testimony about the time stamp of
Jen McCabe's.
Speaker 17 (28:12):
Search, Well, it's more crucial to the defense theory, right
because ultimately, from the Komas perspective, this never would have
been an issue unless it was raised by the defense.
So the first we ever heard about any Google search
at all, never mind what time it was, was from
the defense expert Richard Green, who opined that based on
his review of the data, it happened at two twenty seven.
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Then the Comwealth hires two independent experts, they review the data,
they say, no, it doesn't happen at two twenty seven.
That's what time basically the tab was created, and that
the search happened at six twenty three and six twenty four, So.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's pretty crucial.
Speaker 17 (28:45):
There was a lot of things in the past couple
of days between the timeline with Lieutenant O'Hara as well
as Jessica Hyde that really go to the crux of
the defense theory, because you know, the timing of things
does matter. If this Google search didn't happen at two
twenty seven, if that's what the jury believes, then you know,
I think it sort of leans away the strength from
the strength of the defense theory.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
But the maniacal voicemail I was frightened.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, right, which the fifty phone the fifty phone call,
Oh my god, you know.
Speaker 17 (29:14):
And the interesting thing about that, there's a lot of
kind of questioning about how does that help the commonwealth?
And I think it's important to remember that there's multiple
charges here. So there's a second green murder manslaughter leaving
the scene. If you're looking at the murder charge, you know,
it does it leaves the viewer question and if she
knew she hit him, why would she be leaving these
sort of frantic, you know, voicemails. However, if you take
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the murder off the table and you look at a
manslaughter when the allegations really are just that she's drunk
and hit him and that's all they have to prove,
it goes to the level of you know, level of intoxication,
level of anger, frustration, frustration, and what they're trying to
do is paint a picture of like, look at how
she was acting at twelve thirty six, twelve thirty seven,
twelve thirty eight, twelve forty you know.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
On and on and on.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
I'm still having a it's a very small area outside
the house. It looks larger than it is on TV
right and on video. I'm still having a problem with
a house full of people dead asleep with the lights
flashing and chaos right in front of the house and
nobody wakes up.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (30:14):
Well, I will say the size of lawn two I
find really interesting because everybody always says it's small.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And yeh a sealthie kid of like looks pretty big.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Ten times the size of the concrete.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Hey, that's a big ad.
Speaker 17 (30:27):
But you know, I think that again, that goes to
what the jury believes about what's happening.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
From the defense perspective, I think it's a reasonable question.
Speaker 17 (30:35):
It's one of the things that I thought about right
on the front end when I started covering the case,
is like, that's kind of weird, Like the people in
the house they don't come out, you know, does that
automatically mean that they are murderers and they didn't come
out because they're covering up I don't know. The com
Wealth basically says, hey, it's five o'clock in the morning,
it's a blizzard.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's a nor'east.
Speaker 17 (30:53):
The winds whip and you see there's actually a video
that I we start in the last couple of days
of Karen Leavin Meadows John John O'Keefe's house at five
o'clock or so, and you see on the ring camera
that the wind is it's like sheets of snow and
I so you get.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Kind of this understanding of what it's actually like outside.
But there was a new witness that was called a meteorologist,
and I thought his testimony was fascinating.
Speaker 17 (31:19):
He was great, and you know why, he just presented
like he's just given his opinion, right, He's not one
way of the other.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
He's interpreting what the weather was.
Speaker 17 (31:29):
You know, what the snow totals were, what when they
were when there was a lot of snow, when there wasn't.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
A lot, But there wasn't a lot of snow overnight,
and that's his testimony. I thought that was fascinating. They
were only in like two or three inches and then
it started snowing hard like you said between five and six.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That's right.
Speaker 17 (31:44):
So it started to snow. It really right at the
time when John's body is being found, and you know,
the sort of chaos of the scenes starts unfold and
is when the weather really starts to pick up. And then,
as he said, it was the biggest snowfall in January history,
I think twenty four inches. So by the time you
know that goes to also by the time that the
ceart team is searching, there's a lot of snow on
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the ground, you know. And and the purpose I think,
aside from the snow for what the Comwalth was trying
to use with mister Gilmot, was the how hard the
ground was, because they're going to call a doctor who
says that his brain injury could only be caused by
you know, hitting the ground or something else like that
couldn't be caused by you know, a fist or a
blunt force object.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 17 (32:26):
So's you know, the these little pieces that are being
tied in together. It's not obvious necessarily on its face
when the testimony comes in, but I think, you know,
Hank Brennan's pretty meticulous, and.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
All the jury needs is reasonable doubt right, that's right.
Speaker 17 (32:40):
And so that so the defense is doing a really
good job. I think of you know, poking host, poking host,
poking holes in each witness. And the way I try
to explain it when I sort of think about reasonable
doubts people, is we think about each piece of evidence
as a brick, right, and so the com wealth is
using all these bricks to build a wall, right while
so high that they've proven the case. And the job
of the defense is to, you know, like Jenga, poke
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the hole. So the question is are you able to
poke the poke enough holes that you you know, prove
that they can't show up beyond a reasonable doubt? And
I mean I think they're both doing These are very
you know, highly skilled, trained attorneys, So they're all doing
a really good job.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Now it's topic time with Billy and Lisa.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
In the morning.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah, we've got Catherine Loftus in studio. We're talking about
we're breaking down the Karen retail. Quick question. Okay, Catherine,
So when you watch the trial, the same people are
sitting in the same seats every single day all day.
How can they do that?
Speaker 17 (33:39):
You mean the in the audience. Yes, Yeah, So there's
a little bit of a rotation in the Okee feel.
It's sort of the same groups of people, but they
rotate in and out. Sometimes if you pay attention, there's
you know, people there in the morning, then they do
the afternoon.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
But how do they work?
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, well, nobody works well.
Speaker 17 (33:56):
I think if you look at both sides right that
this is from the Oki side. These are people who
you know, are were John O'Keefe's friends, so they make
sure that there's enough people that you know, they're taking
time off. And then on the red side, I mean
their daughter friend is on trial for murder. So people,
you know, people make it work when you have somebody
close to you who's going through something like this.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
All right, let's go to the phones. Jamie is checking
in from tat Hey, Jamie, how's it going, buddy? Where's
my coffee?
Speaker 12 (34:23):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Good morning.
Speaker 12 (34:26):
So here's my question.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
I'll bring you coffee, Billy.
Speaker 12 (34:28):
I got you covered always.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So my question is how important was it when the
name When Ryan Nabel was on the stand and he
talked about John o'keith not being seen in the.
Speaker 24 (34:39):
Car when they drove by, doesn't that mean he was
in the house.
Speaker 12 (34:43):
If he wasn't in the car. Doesn't that help the defense?
Speaker 17 (34:46):
So I thought Ryan Aga was actually a really interesting
witness because I think you could put him as a
plus for both both the prosecution and the defense because
two things. He testified that he saw nobody walk across
the driveway. He didn't see a man, you know, come
from the car into the house, so that would help
the commwealth. On the converse, like you said, Jamie, he
also testified that he didn't see anybody in the passenger seat.
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He just saw the dome light on and a female
in the driver's seat, so either way, he doesn't see him.
But he also gives the opinion that you know, no,
he wasn't in the car, but no, he didn't go
in the house either, So you could really take that
piece of information and argue it both ways.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Great question, Jamie, Great, great boy. Our talkbackers in college
are so smart. Smart, We're so smart. Let's go to
Rob in Sudbury. Rob question for Catherine.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Yes, Hi, Catherine, I'm curious actually taking from what was
just asked, if Julianna, Nagel and Levinson's testimony seemed, you know,
really credible both in the first and in the second trial,
and what kind of holes can the defense folk in
those testimonies, because it really seemed like nobody was in
(35:58):
the house. There was no fight arguing what are your
thoughts on that?
Speaker 17 (36:03):
So Julie Nago hasn't yet testified in the second trial,
but Sarah Levinson din as a reminder, those two individuals
were friends with Brian Jr. And we're in the house
from you know, sort of the evening hours on throughout
the night, and then they left with Jen McKay, you know,
approximately one one point thirty. You know, I think it's
that's a fair sort of evaluation of their testimony, is
(36:23):
these are it you know, these are independent witnesses. They're
not part of the McCay family. I understand that they're
friends with the Alberts, but you know, what you need
in order to believe that they're you know, not telling
the truth is that they're up there on the stand.
You know, everything they're saying is false. That somebody actually
did come in the house. They've been through quite a
few proceedings, not only trial last time, but multiple grand juries,
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you know, and so the problem from the defense perspective
is that there is never going to be somebody who
actually puts John in the house in testimony unless they
have somebody who you know, in their own case in chief.
So I think it's pretty powerful evidence from the calmwalth
and difficult in some ways to robot from the defense.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Boy, you're good. You should have a TV show. Let's
go to Lisa implement Lisa question for Catherine.
Speaker 24 (37:18):
Hi, Good morning, Catherine. So I am calling because how
is it with Jen McCabe and Carrie Roberts explaining that
Karen's running around acting like a lunatic and crazy and
carry Roberts, you know, swears at her to shut up?
How come nobody's pointing out the fact that that's kind
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of a normal reaction if she just found her boyfriend
laying on the ground all bloody, possibly did that would
be anybody's reaction to be running around like kind of
frantic like that and screaming at somebody, you know, to
call for help, and you know, asking questions like what's happening?
Doesn't that seem like strange that they're not pointing that
end out?
Speaker 17 (37:59):
So I think you're totally right, because you know, whatever
way you look at it, right, if you're if you
believe that you know the Komo's case and that she's
guilty or you believe she's innocent. Either way, the reaction
of finding somebody that you love and care about basically
deceased in the snow in this sort of chaotic circumstance
is going to evoke this type of emotion, Right, So,
(38:22):
I'm not surprised that she's hysterical, that she's screaming, that
she's yelling, you know. The question I think becomes about
that specific reaction is more so before they find John O'Keeffe, Right, So,
before they find him, Carrie and Jen testify that they're
basically like, she's drunk, she doesn't know what she's talking about.
We're gonna find him in the house. Why is she
so hysterical? So what the Camwald wants you to believe that,
(38:44):
you know? Okay, it's one thing if she's acting like
that after John o'keith's body is found, why is she
acting like that beforehand?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Different?
Speaker 12 (38:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Does she know?
Speaker 8 (38:52):
Right?
Speaker 17 (38:52):
If she just dropped him in the house a couple
hours before.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
As always, the calls and the talkbacks are pouring in.
Let's go to Tracy and Bridgewater. Tracy question for counselor Catherine.
Speaker 12 (39:03):
Hi, thank you so much.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
So I was wondering, I'm following the case. And Ryan
Nagel said that he saw he didn't see John O'Keefe
in the passenger side when they pulled up, but the girlfriend,
his girlfriend said that she did see him in the
passenger See, how does that correlate, like it's conflicting.
Speaker 17 (39:24):
Well, I think it's it's a good example, right in
a reminder to everybody that most of these witnesses who
testify about the events that happened that night had some
form of alcohol. That memory is really an interesting thing, right,
eyewitness testimony. Most of our memories actually don't line up
exactly with the other. So I actually think it's more
(39:46):
reliable that if you have two people to counter one person,
you know that they vaguely remember the same scene, the
vehicle there, you know, the dome light on pulling up,
speaking to Julie. But then they have small memories that differentiate,
and I I think that actually goes to that it's more.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Consistent, right.
Speaker 17 (40:03):
You don't want to have witnesses who exactly line up
everything's exactly the same, you know, And it goes to
I don't know the timeline of if she saw him when.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Was That was obviously before the vehicle was still there.
Speaker 17 (40:16):
So I think theoretically in the Comwall's case, they could
have seen him near the car and then the incident
happened after if you took you know, if you take
that cases the facts all.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Right, Carolyn's been on hold for a while in Wakefield.
Carolyn questioned for the counselor, Hi, good.
Speaker 18 (40:30):
Morning, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I've got a question.
Speaker 18 (40:33):
About former trooper Michael Proctor. Why aren't they referring to
him as former trooper Michael Proctor to get into the
jury That kind of questioned like, oh, why doesn't Why
isn't he working for the state police anymore? Also, is
there a chance that he'll get on the stand again,
and if he does, any chance because he kind of
got nothing to lose now, that he might open up
(40:55):
a whole new can of worms.
Speaker 17 (40:57):
Well, you know, they have excuse me, has a few
times thrown in the words former. And that's what they're
trying to get the jury to pay attention to, is
that this isn't a state trooper. Now, obviously something happened,
they haven't learned of that quite yet. You know, we
were just talking about whether he's going to be called
and when, you know, I think I think he will
be called, because it just looks like to the jury
(41:18):
who you're trying to convince that if you don't call him, you're,
you know, trying to hide the ball, or you're Sometimes
what happens is if you know the train's coming, you
do everything you can to stop it. So I think
Attorney Brann has to call him and put everything out there.
The interesting question about whether it opens up more of
a can of worms, you know, there is an argument
to that that you know, I don't know. Could he
(41:40):
say something else? He's not under he's not a state
police officer anymore. He's essentially testifying, you know, and he's
now a civilian. So could we hear more about what
he saw or what he knows? I mean, he could
let that slip on the sand.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Justin, let's get a couple of talkbacks in quick, Dave,
hold on for a minute on the phones. Okay, talk
back to Justin.
Speaker 23 (41:57):
Okay, So I work in news, and obviously working in news,
I've noticed that every single day, after you know, test
somebody concludes Karen will walk out and she will say
something to the media. Now, in your opinion, why do
you think her lawyers keep letting her say something or
(42:18):
you know, let her give her input. Isn't it probably
like a bad idea that she keeps talking.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
They say, what you say can be used against and
they have been playing them right and talk.
Speaker 17 (42:32):
So from a technical perspective, normally it would be the
lawyer's talking, but they're all under a gagg on to
both the colmwealth and the defense, so they can't say
anything about the case. Right, So last year when they
came out, it would always be David Natty or Alan
Jackson answering questions. So Karen has really become like the surrogate,
you know, representative. It's like with everything else in this case,
(42:54):
it's so unusual. It's I find it odd that they
still allow her to talk. After know, in theory she
could say something outside the courthouse that could be used
in trial, which seems, you know, really wild, but you know,
nonetheless they persist.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Yeah, Dave questioned for.
Speaker 12 (43:13):
Catherine, Hey, how you doing, good morning guys.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Morning We hi.
Speaker 11 (43:20):
So just.
Speaker 12 (43:22):
The timeline, as a member of just the general public,
everything seems to be jumbled. Bike you hear this. You
hear that this time, that time, blah blah blah. So
she drops him off, he goes. The defense is saying,
he went into the house. I thought there was a
potty going on in the house. So did he go
(43:43):
in the house. And my concern is the dog bite
or the bits on his arm? Right, So if he
was in the house and he took off his jacket
and he got bet up and killed and the dog
was grabbing at his arm and stuff, where's the guys
when he was found outside, did he have his jacket?
Speaker 19 (44:03):
Like?
Speaker 12 (44:03):
Nobody's even brought up the jacket.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
So we have I think we'll hear.
Speaker 17 (44:08):
A little bit more about the specific specifics of his injuries.
But when he was found he had like a light
you know, like a zip up hoodie sweater on. He
didn't have a winter jacket on him relative to the timeline.
So what the defense theory is is that he did
go in the house, that he was assaulted, there there
were dog bites, and then somebody you know, brought him
out and put him on the front lawn. And they
(44:31):
are using essentially interpret their own interpretations from their experts
of data that they say puts John in the house. Again,
there won't be any there's not going to ever be
anybody who testifies that says John in the house. On
the contrary, there's going to be a number of people
and have already that say John did not go into
the house. So the uphill battle for the defense is
(44:51):
not only to put him in the house, but to explain,
you know, his injuries the other right, which they say
was caused by a dog.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Let's face it, an assault any kind is going to
trigger most.
Speaker 17 (45:01):
Dogs, you would think, so, I mean, especially a German shepherd,
you know, you know, And I think we'll get more
into what his you know this allegedly last time we
heard about this microscopic pieces of taillite in his sweater
that he's found with. There's no dog DNA on his arm,
so that's we haven't heard any of that really yet.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
So we shall see.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Well, as always, Counselor, you're leaving us with a bunch
of phone calls and a bunch of talkbacks. Where can
people reach out to you?
Speaker 17 (45:27):
They can find me on TikTok and you can also
find me on substack. Note my objection dot substack dot
com and doing lots of extra coverage there lives for
premium subscribers, and really, anyway, note my objection.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
You'll find me, and you'll be back with us next Thursday,
and that I will, all right,
Now this morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billie and Lisa in the morning. It's just a great
start to.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
My day on Kids run Away.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Well, good morning everybody, and happy Thursday to you. Today
is May eighth. I'm looking outside listen, I do see
some sun. Is it going to stick around today?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, we'll have some this morning. You'll see more clouds
this afternoon at times will be near seventy But then
we get a lot of rain tomorrow, cold rain, so
the temperatures are going to drop today tonight.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Well it'll slowly move in and then rain all day tomorrow.
Quite the change.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
It's actually going to rain all day tomorrow through the
night into Saturday morning, and then we'll get some clearing.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
It's a good nap day tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
You think I'll get the baseball game in tonight from
my Yeah, absolutely great. Yes, they've been canceled. He's had
like three games canceled. We have to make them all up,
like next week.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
They make him up for seven year old, yeah, eight
year old.
Speaker 6 (00:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
You know what's interesting, my son Riley plays golf. They've
never canceled a golf match because of rain, Like they
have to go out in snow pants and rain and
wind and lightning. They get pulled off the course, but
that's that's it. Wow, it's crazy.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
Yeah. Well the field gets completely soaked in baseball. Oh god, yeah,
ponding all over the field. Yeah, I would have Riley
just trudged right through it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, like he's legit worn snowpants this spring.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
And don't sound a siren if there's lightning they do.
Speaker 6 (01:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Dangerous golf.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You have a very dangerous and you've got a long
way back to the clubhouse. Sometimes.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
We're going to talk a lot about it and break
it down in the Entertainment Report at six forty this morning.
But the Celtication fell asleep last night, lost again to
the Knicks at home.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Should we be concerned?
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Very? I mean, yeah, they're down to zip. I was
angrily texting Billy in the second quarter because even though
they led the whole game, they still were missing shots.
They should have blew them out both games.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, they're clearly the better team, but we're not showing
us that.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Hey, it's still early, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
They could come back that the hole is getting deeper, Yeah,
climb out of it.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah. I love Tatum a little bit of a ball
hog Towards the end there.
Speaker 6 (02:10):
Well, you know he's looking for his Kobe moment and
he's a fantastic player, but you got to come through
in the end like that. Let's clutch.
Speaker 7 (02:16):
I love him too, but I feel like he just
couldn't get a basket yesterday and you had like nine
points by the fourth court. Let someone else take the
shot because none of your stots are clearly hitting.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
It's not your night.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, just reset yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 8 (02:28):
Yeah, I'm a choker. I'm a trash can.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Okay, that's the AI version of Tatum, right. You just
love that?
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Oh well, you're more of that. Yeah. He couldn't do
the postgame interviews because there was a fire alarm in
the garden right after the game. They had empty the place.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Do you think Juice pulled it for him?
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 6 (02:49):
It was complete mayhem at the TD Garden after the game,
outside and inside.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Never understood the anger to the point where you're having
street fights over a game.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I saw yesterday. The Knicks would not leave in this
lady there, she's like.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Get out, you need was and she fell over the
chairs that she was. It was hilarious because it was
all Knicks fans shouting Nickson for and she's yelling for security.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
She fell.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Please the building.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Anyway, we'll break it down in the entertainment were boy,
the only bigger event last night than the Celtics game
was Lisa's book Club over the Borders.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And yeah, we definitely had a win. That's good for
the Billy and Lisa in the morning show because Caroline
Kaepnaz drove all the way down to Hartford and we
were with our sister station down they're ninety five points
some and they were amazing.
Speaker 9 (03:41):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
We had a few hiccups going in Okay, Yeah, but
we managed and we pulled it together and it was
really fabulous.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
And yeah, you know what, the book club is undefeated.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
And I want to thank all of the Boston crew,
all of the og but people, they were all there.
Speaker 10 (03:58):
Morning.
Speaker 6 (03:59):
Everyone.
Speaker 10 (04:00):
It's Lynn from Rhode Island, Lisa. Just fun to say
what a great time I had at the book club tonight. Yes,
I'm leaving my talk back at ten thirty seven and
I'm still heading home. We had a great time. I
drove with Karen and Carrie and it was so much fun.
We had some laughs and yeah, Caroline did a great
(04:22):
job again so thank you again, and guys have a
great day.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, it was. They all like carpools groups of people.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Well you did too, didn't the author Caroline kept to
ride home with you.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
She did, yeah, she did so that it was fun
and then she hung out like for an hour when
we got home and we just chatted. So it was
a late night.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
The book club undefeated, sellout in every single book club winning.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
You were there, of course I was. I mean the
track down, of course, of course.
Speaker 11 (04:50):
You know.
Speaker 7 (04:50):
It was first of all Farmington where it was in.
It's like a Medford or like a quinsy of Hartford.
The cutest town, like legit farm like little farms and
like the and stuff beautiful like old buildings and the venue,
farming gardens.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
I would get married there.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, it's it was really nice, really beautiful.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
Why don't you just move there?
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I don't can afford it, but that's always a bonus.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Saw actually, Karen, one of our book club, and lind
Back they also they saw three bears. They showed me
right down the street in someone's yards. It was crazy.
Speaker 7 (05:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Wow, And Lisa and I are back out tonight. Dinner
with an author at the Newbury Hotel this evening, I'll
be hosting a table with mine and Jenny's cookbook.
Speaker 12 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
It's Raising a Reader's biggest gala. So they invite New
England authors to host tables. It's amazing. And Billy this
year is an author and I'm sitting with him because
they're giving me an award, the Champion Award.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That's amazing, Lisa Billy.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah together again.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
He's just a book model at this point.
Speaker 6 (05:56):
Okay, well, Bill's going to talk about all the work
he had to put into writing that book.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Yeah, yeah, how much work did you put in?
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Right now? Okay, are you joining the.
Speaker 11 (06:06):
Really?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I love that this is like such a full circle moment.
Yeah you think.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
Well, let me ask you something. It's dinner with an author, right.
There will be multiple tables in the ballroom, right, each
with an author. Since I have a book that makes
me an author.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Right, yes, yeah, you're the Milli Vanilli of author writing.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well that they pay big money to stay with you.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Yeah, and it all goes to raising a reader, which
is part of your book club.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
You can talk about your inspiration, you know, yeah, where
it came from.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I can't believe you're joining the winning club.
Speaker 13 (06:39):
It's just.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Blame it on the book.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
From the Planet Fitness Kiss one Away Studios. Well, we're
back with a Billy and Lisa in the morning Kiss.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Okay, welcome back everybody, and a happy Thursday to you.
It is May eighth, the sun is out and what's
the deal for today? Least that we'll get clouds later.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, increasing clouds. It'll still be like seventy for a high.
But then we get a lot of rain tomorrow and
it's gonna be very cold.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
Man. What's a weird season? Justin you want to get
a couple of talkbacks in before we go with entertainment.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Oh yeah, we'd love to hear from you. Love to
get your input on anything you want to talk about.
You can leave your message on the iHeartRadio app the
talkback feature the little red little microphone there that you
press and sends it right to me.
Speaker 14 (07:32):
Good morning guys. So I'm all excited to be able
to put all of my tickets into one basket. That
Kiss Fanway donated too for the Lawrence Elks having a
comedy show this weekend for a Sergeant Charles Standen, a
dear friend of mine that is no longer with us,
and Sergeant and Taylor and I can't believe. I hope
(07:54):
I win it. I'm going to put all my tickets
in that. It's for a tour of the studio and
pictures and I hope.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Like it behind the scenes tour of Billion Lisa in
the Morning.
Speaker 6 (08:04):
Correct, I donate that to this event, aren't you nice?
It's this weekend and yeah, it's the benefit to police
sergeants from Bill, Ricca and Lawrence who lost their lives.
It's a comedy show. It's at the Lawrence Elks this weekend,
and one of the raffle prizes is a tour of
the studio. They get to command meet us and watch
the last segment of the show.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh can I add something to that package? Winnie will
take them to lunch.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Oh on her dime?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
No, I'm Billy's.
Speaker 6 (08:30):
Oh she will, but I'm Billy's.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Yes, I will entertain on Billy's.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
I don't want any part of that entertain. Yeah. It's
at the Lawrence Ouks this weekend. So if you want
to enter and raise some money for a good cause
and possibly meet Billy and Lisa, you can enter there.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
You go, look at that.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's a great prize.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
This building is the Radio station is really cool. Yeah,
it's it's really it's giant. There's all kinds of things
going on, as you know, obviously the studios, the talent,
you know, all the announcers, but then there's also all
these cool pictures on the wall of all of our events.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, it's such a pretty building.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
So yeah, enter if you want to win.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Now the entertainment update with a Billy Codstad.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Okay, if you're just waking up. The Celtics a lost
Game two in the Garden last night. They're down two
games zip in the series. Now they lost both games
here in Boston. So much to unpack from this game.
Last night, the Celts blew another twenty point lead. The
Knicks had a huge run late in the game. The
Celts had the ball in the final seconds. Here was
(09:37):
the call of time.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Here it's treatum, rotten some time, treatum and overing.
Speaker 15 (09:50):
The X. They got it, say for it.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
New York has cut up two games.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Turn on.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Yeah, wasn't There were steal in the final seconds of
Game one two?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Same guy?
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Yeah, they stripped them of the ball.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So can they climb out of us?
Speaker 6 (10:03):
Oh? I don't know. Ninety of teams that have lost
the first two games.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
On home court have have not No, but you know
what Boston is. You know we're legendary for breaking those Yeah.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
Little Yeah, never gonna give a hope. They have to
play better they do.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Yeah, and this is a weird playoff season. A lot
of the home teams are losing.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah. The Cavs lost twice.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 15 (10:24):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
Meantime, the Celts late in the game should have and
could have called the time out, but they didn't. Coach Misoula,
what happened?
Speaker 16 (10:31):
Had one left, got a good look on the exact
same play twenty seconds earlier, tried to execute the exact
same thing. They did a better job of their lower
pickup point, and we weren't able to get the advantage
that we had on that on the last Tatum dunk
so good full court sitting, they weren't. They stubbed out,
Towns weren't able to step out Brunston had no action
there and just say an extecute.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, same play didn't work this time. Jalen Brown on
another home game loss.
Speaker 15 (10:53):
God, it's a great starts we guarded. We played physical
energy today to start the fourth quarter. I thought we
got like four or five grade looks in a row
that didn't go in. You know, what's done is done.
Now we got an opportunity to see what we made
of you know, come out, try to make something happen.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Game three, so Tatum couldn't do a postgame interview because
the fire alarm sounded shortly after the game and the
TD Garden garden had to be evacuated. Thanks to AI,
we did get this mock Tatum comment.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
I'm a choker, I'm a trash can, and I went
ghost when it mattered most once again, just like last game.
I'm the biggest playoff choker you will ever find. And
I was hoping I would get carried to the finals
again just like last year. But I went from Jason
Tatum to Jason break them tonight because I damn near
(11:42):
broke the Rims with all my bricks. The Rims got
pounded harder than Diddy at a Diddy party.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Y Again, that was AI. That was that was that
Wasson and Billy.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
Okay, did I create that? Winny? Did I create that?
Speaker 9 (11:57):
Mean?
Speaker 6 (11:57):
That created that?
Speaker 1 (11:58):
You put it on the screen?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
I said, there was a lot to unpass.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
And by the way, listen, we love Jason Tatum. But
you're a professional athlete that you got to show up here,
you know, and you know what, he'll bounce back.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Ye, sure he will. And then there was the chaos
in the garden after the game, and there was fighting
in the streets after the game. Now, this is something
I've never understood, that level of anger where you're rolling
around in the streets kicking and punching each other. Yeah,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 6 (12:27):
Oh, they were beefing all up and down Cosway Street,
cops everywhere.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's frustrating.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
And then there was a.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Woman in the garden after the game who was going
at it with like about one hundred Knicks fans who
were chanting Nixon four. And she's shouting for security and
she fell over the chairs and oh god.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I'm sure you probably make minimum age twenty bucks an hour.
Speaker 17 (12:48):
What do you do?
Speaker 1 (12:48):
It's not worth it.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
You don't have to deal with that.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Yeah, she had her lamin it all.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:54):
Game three, New York, three thirty Saturday afternoon. Meantime, the
Red Sox won last night they beat the Rangers. Chapman
on the mound for the Red Sox throwing heat.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Trim just got a piece of it.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
One old.
Speaker 18 (13:09):
Wow, that was one hundred and four miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, he broke his own record. And Walter Goggins from
The White Lotus is gonna be the guest host on
Saturday Night Live this weekend the season finale. They posted
a hilarious promo yesterday. It was very White lotusgins. Yeah,
are you bro?
Speaker 6 (13:27):
You excited to host? So excited?
Speaker 12 (13:29):
Man?
Speaker 19 (13:29):
You know it's the last show before the season finale, right, yeah,
I'm just super curious to see how the whole thing's
gonna end.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Ye.
Speaker 6 (13:36):
What do you mean, who's gonna die? Show man?
Speaker 19 (13:40):
It's that's an l you know. I mean I'm gonna die? Right,
No one's gonna die. Okay, Look, can I say my theory?
You don't have to tell me if I'm right. Colin Jost,
Michael Jay ursuicide.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
No Goggins, what's up?
Speaker 9 (13:56):
Baby Meal?
Speaker 6 (13:57):
What's up?
Speaker 9 (13:57):
Man?
Speaker 6 (13:58):
It'd be a good week dead Man walking.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
These are real people, They're not characters.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
It's not that some thing real. No one is dying.
Speaker 20 (14:05):
That's exactly what someone who's about to die would say.
I bet you get killed by Heidi. It's not Heidi. Okay, Okay,
you get killed by Chloe. No, no, no, that's way
too obvious. Oh my god, I know who it is.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
It's Boeing. It's always been Boing.
Speaker 20 (14:24):
It would always ever be Bowing because he hates you.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Listen, man, I think you're a nice guy. We're gonna
have a great week. But you're acting a little bit too.
I should have been Domingo. I did not see that, Chloe, right.
For Steege Television, it was Michael the whole time. Oh,
usually those are so bad that one is really good.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
In Rome, the first full day of voting for the
new pope today, reports say some of the cardinals are
actually watching the movie Conclave to get some tips because
some of them have never experienced a conclaim. And then
you have the CBS anchor who got raunchy talking about
the Concome. The one thing we know what they're not
doing is checking Instagram because their devices a whole I.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Believe the kids.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
I believe the kids call it raw dogging it if
you're going to go through a long period of time
with no electronic device.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, oh right, Well that was a strange thing to.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Say a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Ben Affleck on podcast expressing sympathy for Britney Spears saying
fame can be cruel and.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Is years and years ago.
Speaker 21 (15:33):
Like, I really had a lot of empathy for Britney
Spears because I remember that it seemed like it's not
somebody that I knew or hung out with. But I,
just like everybody else, you see all this that comes
through and I but having had my own experiences myself,
I knew like, these are people are following her around
in a time where she may or may not have
been having difficulty. I don't know, because I don't know her,
(15:55):
but I do know that the cycle of having people
harangue and yet at you and hassle you and follow you,
it kind of seemed like that itself was kind of
whipping up the whole thing into it.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
I like Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
He's such a cool guy.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
Hey.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
Halaria Baldwin went on the Today Show yesterday talking about
her memoir and she was asked about the fake Spanish accent.
Speaker 9 (16:18):
You know, I'm so glad that.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
You asked that.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I talk about a lot in the book.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 22 (16:23):
I think code switching is a really important term that
people can start to get to know you doesn't get
to know a little bit more so, I encourage you
to read the book.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
There's been some headlines though, based on it that you
feel like aren't really accurate too, right.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I mean it's.
Speaker 13 (16:41):
About code switching.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Yeah, well about how the code switching, and I think there.
Speaker 22 (16:45):
Was Again, I talk about it so much in the book,
and I think that for those who are interested, there's
a lot of learning about how the brain functions and
how people who go between two languages all the time.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yeah, how we find you?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (17:01):
She frightens me. She should be a character on you, right.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
But she believes her own hysteria. That's the thing. You're right,
she could be on you.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
It's code switching. Yeah, just read the book.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Code Switching works for actually grow up in Spain and
then came to America.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Right, it's actually Hillary from Boston.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Hey, justin not it's official now the Real Housewives of
Rhode Island is happening, so it'll be the latest spin off.
Now I ask this question, do you remember Rich Demari?
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm glad you're bringing this up.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
Yes, who was justin before?
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Justin?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yes, Okay worked on this show and has talked openly
or maybe privately with us about he and his wife
Rosie being on the Real Housewives of Rhode Island. So
do you think they are well?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
This Like a year ago, there was like something that
was like a fake thing that was put out on
social with her being cast as one of them because Rosie,
she was an intern here. She's from Massachusetts. Then she
was a news anchor in Rhode Island, so she does
have a connection to Rhode Island. So I'm just wondering
if she's on the show, we have to reach out
to Rich one.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Of the requirements. I wonder what they really look for
Normally someone has money power.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
And being a news anchor in Rhode Island.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I'm sure hell absolutely.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
Oh one of our beloved listeners, Lynn from Rhode Island.
I wonder if she's gonna try to be on it.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Oh yeah, wasn't it Rich's birthday yesterday?
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You know, I'm so glad that you asked that.
Speaker 15 (18:34):
It was.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Sad news this morning. Three Doors Down had to cancel
their summer tour. Singer Brad Arnold has stage four kidney cancer.
Oh my sad story. Good band, Yeah, really sad, So, Lisa.
Last night was the book Club at Hartford. A great night.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Shout out to everyone down at our sister Station Kiss
ninety five point seven. They didn't amazing job like Adam,
their program director Courtney Savannah, and then Caroline Kepnis like,
huge shout out to her for doing the drive and
being so entertaining. She has so many great stories and yeah,
so she broke the news yesterday that there will be
(19:16):
a prequel to you. The book comes out in twenty
twenty six and you will see it probably on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
So what's the next book club event?
Speaker 2 (19:23):
All right, we do Gregory maguire, he wrote Wicked and
Elfie is a prequel, So Cynthia Reva will be starring
in that. He will be joining me on May twenty first,
Lisa's book Club at Joss and Maine at the Burlington Mall. Wow,
it's completely sold out.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
And Cynthia Rivo is in Boston tonight kicking off the
Pops News season.
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Yes she is.
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By the way, you might want to go to Boston
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I don't think so, No, not for tonight. I said.
Maybe maybe there's a chance.
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Speaker 2 (20:16):
You know, I'm so glad that you asked that.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
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Speaker 5 (20:31):
Hey guys, so welcome back.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
It's the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. And I'm sorry
we're outside talking to Attorney Catherine Loft just because we're
coming in a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Her with question.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah, we already have questions, uh that have come
in on the talkbacks for her. If you want to
leave a question for her, she's gonna break down what
went down this week and take your questions. You can
leave a talkback on the iHeart app. Just look for
that little microphone there.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Speaking of talkbacks, we got some, all right.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
You want to go around the world real quick? Yes,
all right? How about we go to let me see Bulgaria.
Speaker 9 (21:01):
This is less checking in this morning from like Kolenova
Fortress in Bulgaria, and I think I may have been
the first one to check in from Bulgaria. Romania was
so beautiful and the people super friendly. But we're definitely
looking forward to the rest of our trip. Thank you,
Billy for your morning news and entertainment reports.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
I love the catch up with those every day.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Did I get a thank you from Bulgaria?
Speaker 6 (21:29):
You did?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's insane?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
Wow, bragging rights totally, that's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
Justin when was the last time you were thanked from Bulgaria?
Speaker 12 (21:38):
Never?
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Okay never? When he's never thanked me? Yeah, and you
won't get a thank you from him. But I do
notice that people that move out of Boston listen a
lot to the show, but they love Billy's News because
it keeps them, you know, updated on what's going on here.
I don't know that. By the way, we do podcast
your News every single day as a stand alone, so
(22:01):
you can go to the podcast Billy and Lisa in
the Morning on the iHeart app.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Well, if I had known that, I would have paid
more attention to it.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Can I mention just one little thing that I learned
last night at the book club. We had some people
that have moved out of the area but still listen
to the stream. They said that my traffic reports go
over the stream and they enjoy listening to Boston traffic reports.
Really it makes them more comforted in fact, yeah, that
their traffic isn't as bad. I thought that was so interesting.
Speaker 6 (22:31):
Wow, Lisa, thank you for everything that you'll save.
Speaker 13 (22:34):
The speaking of the book club, Good morning, lovely morning crew,
it's book club and broken shoulder Marsha. I'm so glad
I was able to go last night to Lisa's book club.
What an amazing event, great job, and everyone there was
just so lovely. The venue was amazing. Everyone from ninety
five to seven was great, and it was just so
(22:56):
nice to be able to go and have our Caroline
there again. And I'm looking forward to everything coming from her.
So thanks again, Lisa.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, thanks Marcia for driving all that way.
Speaker 4 (23:05):
So ninety seven point five or is it ninety five
point seven?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Ninety five point seven? Kiss? Ninety kiss?
Speaker 6 (23:12):
Does Marcia have a broken shoulder?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I think she used to She's fine now.
Speaker 23 (23:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
She actually did a road race recently around the marathon.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Good for her?
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Yeah, wow, yeah, the shoulder pain sucks. Billy has shoulder.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Oh god, yeah, it never ends.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
How's it going?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
It's actually pretty good, thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Okay, yeah, well remember you injured it on on television? Yes,
I did.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
The kids, Well that was the first one. There was
another one with a couple of the bruins.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Oh on the ice yeah yeah, right kids? Where is it?
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Find the ball?
Speaker 12 (23:43):
Well?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Did you hear the box?
Speaker 5 (23:46):
Now?
Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's so bad.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Yeah, it's in humiliating seeing the look on the couch.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It was on the light up dance floor.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, but then to see them all just walking away
in horror.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Where's the video of it?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
It exists, It's out there somewhere.
Speaker 6 (24:03):
Ye can we get it?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
If you searched it, you could probably find it. I
think someone did once.
Speaker 6 (24:08):
Do we know where it was?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It was its children's museum in Boston.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
Okay, all right, I'm on quick question.
Speaker 10 (24:15):
When does Stranger Things five come out? Well, they are
on break.
Speaker 23 (24:21):
I've had two babies.
Speaker 12 (24:22):
What two months of bar but come on release?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I totally agree. I guess it's sometime this summer.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
Yes, the first teaser drops May thirty. First, the first
teaser slash trailer and will hopefully give the date of
the release, which is the summer.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
What are they waiting for?
Speaker 6 (24:40):
This one's going to be big? Really? Are you watch?
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Are you a fan of Stranger Things?
Speaker 6 (24:44):
Massive?
Speaker 8 (24:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
I was a massive fan. I have to go back
and rewatch the last season.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
I just did. I watched them all with my son.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, I need to.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
Yeah, it's you should watch it, Billy. I know it's
a kid show, but it's really there's only.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
So much I can watch. I'm inensconsin you. I'm binge
watching that, and I'm binge watching five seasons of Breaking Bad.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But Stranger Things takes you back to the eighties. It
gets so nostalgic. Yes, it's and they and they're perfect,
all the songs, all the clothes, a lot of big hair. Yeah,
with the way the houses look, the cars.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
Yeah, all right, it's a great show. And I know
you look at it and you're like, oh, it's kids,
but anybody can watch it. It's good, all right? Yeah,
and you love the eighties. Go back to the eighties.
I'm Bill Costa, here's Dave. Let's go back to the
eighties with Bill. Practically with the highs both days about
eighty degrees. It's seventy one outside the studios. Now, I'm
(25:36):
Bill Costa. Here's day.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Yeah, oh my god, Dave? Oh I think that was
Dave Eisman with an eye?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Was he like afternoon Heisman with an eye? Yes, he
was mid days really really good DJ too okay. And
he's a big real real estate agent.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So did you do news after the mornings.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
Afternoon news?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah, they had afternoon news and entertainment in the afternoon.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That's where the Entertainment Report was born. Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, you're a legend. But that voice that is just
so not your.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
Why am I talking so fast when you play that?
Speaker 6 (26:12):
It was a tape? No, no, no, it was the
tapes that you used to record back then, the reels.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
I think I could compress it or something. Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
I'm Bill cos I kiss Hey, guys, welcome back to
Billy and Lisa Morning Show. We've got Catherine Loftus, our
in house legal expert working the Karen Reid case. Here's
the problem with having Katherine in. Catherine comes in and
we're all so worked up about the Karen Reid trial
(26:43):
that we ask all of our questions off the air.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Now we can reask them on the air, and we.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Know you listening have a lot of questions, so you
can give us a call at six one, seven nine
or justin. They can send talkbacks in right now, right.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah, they're already here. I'm sitting on a bunch already.
But yeah, on the iHeartRadio app, just hit the little
microphone there and record your question right into your phone.
Speaker 4 (27:06):
It's really simple, okay, Catherine. In my eyes, the trial
reminds me now that it's not TV, it's not a movie.
It's so damn boring. But it was boring until they
played the voicemail from Karen read the night of the killing.
Speaker 17 (27:23):
So you know, this is the interesting thing about the
way that Attorney Brennan is presenting the case and sort
of the back and forth is that after really you know,
tedious witness or you know, cross examination things that they're
voluing back back and forth, then we get these clips.
So he's he's sort of you know, sprinkling them in
throughout the case in a really interesting way. I think
(27:45):
it's very strategic the manner in which he plays them.
But as you said, this is not quote TV, this
is not you know, CSI trials are boring and sometimes
some of the most important evidence, you know, like the
Jessica Hyde who was testifying yesterday, It's very heavy, it's
very monotonous, it's very technical, and even though it's boring,
(28:06):
it has to be gone through.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
How crucial is that testimony about the time stamp of
Jen McCabe's.
Speaker 17 (28:12):
Search, Well, it's more crucial to the defense theory, right
because ultimately, from the Komas perspective, this never would have
been an issue unless it was raised by the defense.
So the first we ever heard about any Google search
at all, never mind what time it was, was from
the defense expert Richard Green, who opined that based on
his review of the data, it happened at two twenty seven.
(28:32):
Then the Comwealth hires two independent experts, they review the data,
they say, no, it doesn't happen at two twenty seven.
That's what time basically the tab was created, and that
the search happened at six twenty three and six twenty four, So.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
It's pretty crucial.
Speaker 17 (28:45):
There was a lot of things in the past couple
of days between the timeline with Lieutenant O'Hara as well
as Jessica Hyde that really go to the crux of
the defense theory, because you know, the timing of things
does matter. If this Google search didn't happen at two
twenty seven, if that's what the jury believes, then you know,
I think it sort of leans away the strength from
the strength of the defense theory.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
But the maniacal voicemail I was frightened.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Yeah, right, which the fifty phone the fifty phone call,
Oh my god, you know.
Speaker 17 (29:14):
And the interesting thing about that, there's a lot of
kind of questioning about how does that help the commonwealth?
And I think it's important to remember that there's multiple
charges here. So there's a second green murder manslaughter leaving
the scene. If you're looking at the murder charge, you know,
it does it leaves the viewer question and if she
knew she hit him, why would she be leaving these
sort of frantic, you know, voicemails. However, if you take
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the murder off the table and you look at a
manslaughter when the allegations really are just that she's drunk
and hit him and that's all they have to prove,
it goes to the level of you know, level of intoxication,
level of anger, frustration, frustration, and what they're trying to
do is paint a picture of like, look at how
she was acting at twelve thirty six, twelve thirty seven,
twelve thirty eight, twelve forty you know.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
On and on and on.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
I'm still having a it's a very small area outside
the house. It looks larger than it is on TV
right and on video. I'm still having a problem with
a house full of people dead asleep with the lights
flashing and chaos right in front of the house and
nobody wakes up.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 17 (30:14):
Well, I will say the size of lawn two I
find really interesting because everybody always says it's small.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And yeh a sealthie kid of like looks pretty big.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
Ten times the size of the concrete.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Hey, that's a big ad.
Speaker 17 (30:27):
But you know, I think that again, that goes to
what the jury believes about what's happening.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
From the defense perspective, I think it's a reasonable question.
Speaker 17 (30:35):
It's one of the things that I thought about right
on the front end when I started covering the case,
is like, that's kind of weird, Like the people in
the house they don't come out, you know, does that
automatically mean that they are murderers and they didn't come
out because they're covering up I don't know. The com
Wealth basically says, hey, it's five o'clock in the morning,
it's a blizzard.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's a nor'east.
Speaker 17 (30:53):
The winds whip and you see there's actually a video
that I we start in the last couple of days
of Karen Leavin Meadows John John O'Keefe's house at five
o'clock or so, and you see on the ring camera
that the wind is it's like sheets of snow and
I so you get.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Kind of this understanding of what it's actually like outside.
But there was a new witness that was called a meteorologist,
and I thought his testimony was fascinating.
Speaker 17 (31:19):
He was great, and you know why, he just presented
like he's just given his opinion, right, He's not one
way of the other.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
He's interpreting what the weather was.
Speaker 17 (31:29):
You know, what the snow totals were, what when they
were when there was a lot of snow, when there wasn't.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
A lot, But there wasn't a lot of snow overnight,
and that's his testimony. I thought that was fascinating. They
were only in like two or three inches and then
it started snowing hard like you said between five and six.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
That's right.
Speaker 17 (31:44):
So it started to snow. It really right at the
time when John's body is being found, and you know,
the sort of chaos of the scenes starts unfold and
is when the weather really starts to pick up. And then,
as he said, it was the biggest snowfall in January history,
I think twenty four inches. So by the time you
know that goes to also by the time that the
ceart team is searching, there's a lot of snow on
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the ground, you know. And and the purpose I think,
aside from the snow for what the Comwalth was trying
to use with mister Gilmot, was the how hard the
ground was, because they're going to call a doctor who
says that his brain injury could only be caused by
you know, hitting the ground or something else like that
couldn't be caused by you know, a fist or a
blunt force object.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 17 (32:26):
So's you know, the these little pieces that are being
tied in together. It's not obvious necessarily on its face
when the testimony comes in, but I think, you know,
Hank Brennan's pretty meticulous, and.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
All the jury needs is reasonable doubt right, that's right.
Speaker 17 (32:40):
And so that so the defense is doing a really
good job. I think of you know, poking host, poking host,
poking holes in each witness. And the way I try
to explain it when I sort of think about reasonable
doubts people, is we think about each piece of evidence
as a brick, right, and so the com wealth is
using all these bricks to build a wall, right while
so high that they've proven the case. And the job
of the defense is to, you know, like Jenga, poke
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the hole. So the question is are you able to
poke the poke enough holes that you you know, prove
that they can't show up beyond a reasonable doubt? And
I mean I think they're both doing These are very
you know, highly skilled, trained attorneys, So they're all doing
a really good job.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
Now it's topic time with Billy and Lisa.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
In the morning.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
Yeah, we've got Catherine Loftus in studio. We're talking about
we're breaking down the Karen retail. Quick question. Okay, Catherine,
So when you watch the trial, the same people are
sitting in the same seats every single day all day.
How can they do that?
Speaker 17 (33:39):
You mean the in the audience. Yes, Yeah, So there's
a little bit of a rotation in the Okee feel.
It's sort of the same groups of people, but they
rotate in and out. Sometimes if you pay attention, there's
you know, people there in the morning, then they do
the afternoon.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
But how do they work?
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, well, nobody works well.
Speaker 17 (33:56):
I think if you look at both sides right that
this is from the Oki side. These are people who
you know, are were John O'Keefe's friends, so they make
sure that there's enough people that you know, they're taking
time off. And then on the red side, I mean
their daughter friend is on trial for murder. So people,
you know, people make it work when you have somebody
close to you who's going through something like this.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
All right, let's go to the phones. Jamie is checking
in from tat Hey, Jamie, how's it going, buddy? Where's
my coffee?
Speaker 12 (34:23):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Good morning.
Speaker 12 (34:26):
So here's my question.
Speaker 5 (34:27):
I'll bring you coffee, Billy.
Speaker 12 (34:28):
I got you covered always.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
So my question is how important was it when the
name When Ryan Nabel was on the stand and he
talked about John o'keith not being seen in the.
Speaker 24 (34:39):
Car when they drove by, doesn't that mean he was
in the house.
Speaker 12 (34:43):
If he wasn't in the car. Doesn't that help the defense?
Speaker 17 (34:46):
So I thought Ryan Aga was actually a really interesting
witness because I think you could put him as a
plus for both both the prosecution and the defense because
two things. He testified that he saw nobody walk across
the driveway. He didn't see a man, you know, come
from the car into the house, so that would help
the commwealth. On the converse, like you said, Jamie, he
also testified that he didn't see anybody in the passenger seat.
(35:09):
He just saw the dome light on and a female
in the driver's seat, so either way, he doesn't see him.
But he also gives the opinion that you know, no,
he wasn't in the car, but no, he didn't go
in the house either, So you could really take that
piece of information and argue it both ways.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Great question, Jamie, Great, great boy. Our talkbackers in college
are so smart. Smart, We're so smart. Let's go to
Rob in Sudbury. Rob question for Catherine.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Yes, Hi, Catherine, I'm curious actually taking from what was
just asked, if Julianna, Nagel and Levinson's testimony seemed, you know,
really credible both in the first and in the second trial,
and what kind of holes can the defense folk in
those testimonies, because it really seemed like nobody was in
(35:58):
the house. There was no fight arguing what are your
thoughts on that?
Speaker 17 (36:03):
So Julie Nago hasn't yet testified in the second trial,
but Sarah Levinson din as a reminder, those two individuals
were friends with Brian Jr. And we're in the house
from you know, sort of the evening hours on throughout
the night, and then they left with Jen McKay, you know,
approximately one one point thirty. You know, I think it's
that's a fair sort of evaluation of their testimony, is
(36:23):
these are it you know, these are independent witnesses. They're
not part of the McCay family. I understand that they're
friends with the Alberts, but you know, what you need
in order to believe that they're you know, not telling
the truth is that they're up there on the stand.
You know, everything they're saying is false. That somebody actually
did come in the house. They've been through quite a
few proceedings, not only trial last time, but multiple grand juries,
(36:46):
you know, and so the problem from the defense perspective
is that there is never going to be somebody who
actually puts John in the house in testimony unless they
have somebody who you know, in their own case in chief.
So I think it's pretty powerful evidence from the calmwalth
and difficult in some ways to robot from the defense.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Boy, you're good. You should have a TV show. Let's
go to Lisa implement Lisa question for Catherine.
Speaker 24 (37:18):
Hi, Good morning, Catherine. So I am calling because how
is it with Jen McCabe and Carrie Roberts explaining that
Karen's running around acting like a lunatic and crazy and
carry Roberts, you know, swears at her to shut up?
How come nobody's pointing out the fact that that's kind
(37:39):
of a normal reaction if she just found her boyfriend
laying on the ground all bloody, possibly did that would
be anybody's reaction to be running around like kind of
frantic like that and screaming at somebody, you know, to
call for help, and you know, asking questions like what's happening?
Doesn't that seem like strange that they're not pointing that
end out?
Speaker 17 (37:59):
So I think you're totally right, because you know, whatever
way you look at it, right, if you're if you
believe that you know the Komo's case and that she's
guilty or you believe she's innocent. Either way, the reaction
of finding somebody that you love and care about basically
deceased in the snow in this sort of chaotic circumstance
is going to evoke this type of emotion, Right, So,
(38:22):
I'm not surprised that she's hysterical, that she's screaming, that
she's yelling, you know. The question I think becomes about
that specific reaction is more so before they find John O'Keeffe, Right, So,
before they find him, Carrie and Jen testify that they're
basically like, she's drunk, she doesn't know what she's talking about.
We're gonna find him in the house. Why is she
so hysterical? So what the Camwald wants you to believe that,
(38:44):
you know? Okay, it's one thing if she's acting like
that after John o'keith's body is found, why is she
acting like that beforehand?
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Different?
Speaker 12 (38:50):
Right?
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Does she know?
Speaker 8 (38:52):
Right?
Speaker 17 (38:52):
If she just dropped him in the house a couple
hours before.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
As always, the calls and the talkbacks are pouring in.
Let's go to Tracy and Bridgewater. Tracy question for counselor Catherine.
Speaker 12 (39:03):
Hi, thank you so much.
Speaker 11 (39:06):
So I was wondering, I'm following the case. And Ryan
Nagel said that he saw he didn't see John O'Keefe
in the passenger side when they pulled up, but the girlfriend,
his girlfriend said that she did see him in the
passenger See, how does that correlate, like it's conflicting.
Speaker 17 (39:24):
Well, I think it's it's a good example, right in
a reminder to everybody that most of these witnesses who
testify about the events that happened that night had some
form of alcohol. That memory is really an interesting thing, right,
eyewitness testimony. Most of our memories actually don't line up
exactly with the other. So I actually think it's more
(39:46):
reliable that if you have two people to counter one person,
you know that they vaguely remember the same scene, the
vehicle there, you know, the dome light on pulling up,
speaking to Julie. But then they have small memories that differentiate,
and I I think that actually goes to that it's more.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Consistent, right.
Speaker 17 (40:03):
You don't want to have witnesses who exactly line up
everything's exactly the same, you know, And it goes to
I don't know the timeline of if she saw him when.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Was That was obviously before the vehicle was still there.
Speaker 17 (40:16):
So I think theoretically in the Comwall's case, they could
have seen him near the car and then the incident
happened after if you took you know, if you take
that cases the facts all.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
Right, Carolyn's been on hold for a while in Wakefield.
Carolyn questioned for the counselor, Hi, good.
Speaker 18 (40:30):
Morning, thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I've got a question.
Speaker 18 (40:33):
About former trooper Michael Proctor. Why aren't they referring to
him as former trooper Michael Proctor to get into the
jury That kind of questioned like, oh, why doesn't Why
isn't he working for the state police anymore? Also, is
there a chance that he'll get on the stand again,
and if he does, any chance because he kind of
got nothing to lose now, that he might open up
(40:55):
a whole new can of worms.
Speaker 17 (40:57):
Well, you know, they have excuse me, has a few
times thrown in the words former. And that's what they're
trying to get the jury to pay attention to, is
that this isn't a state trooper. Now, obviously something happened,
they haven't learned of that quite yet. You know, we
were just talking about whether he's going to be called
and when, you know, I think I think he will
be called, because it just looks like to the jury
(41:18):
who you're trying to convince that if you don't call him, you're,
you know, trying to hide the ball, or you're Sometimes
what happens is if you know the train's coming, you
do everything you can to stop it. So I think
Attorney Brann has to call him and put everything out there.
The interesting question about whether it opens up more of
a can of worms, you know, there is an argument
to that that you know, I don't know. Could he
(41:40):
say something else? He's not under he's not a state
police officer anymore. He's essentially testifying, you know, and he's
now a civilian. So could we hear more about what
he saw or what he knows? I mean, he could
let that slip on the sand.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Justin, let's get a couple of talkbacks in quick, Dave,
hold on for a minute on the phones. Okay, talk
back to Justin.
Speaker 23 (41:57):
Okay, So I work in news, and obviously working in news,
I've noticed that every single day, after you know, test
somebody concludes Karen will walk out and she will say
something to the media. Now, in your opinion, why do
you think her lawyers keep letting her say something or
(42:18):
you know, let her give her input. Isn't it probably
like a bad idea that she keeps talking.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
That's a good question.
Speaker 4 (42:26):
They say, what you say can be used against and
they have been playing them right and talk.
Speaker 17 (42:32):
So from a technical perspective, normally it would be the
lawyer's talking, but they're all under a gagg on to
both the colmwealth and the defense, so they can't say
anything about the case. Right, So last year when they
came out, it would always be David Natty or Alan
Jackson answering questions. So Karen has really become like the surrogate,
you know, representative. It's like with everything else in this case,
(42:54):
it's so unusual. It's I find it odd that they
still allow her to talk. After know, in theory she
could say something outside the courthouse that could be used
in trial, which seems, you know, really wild, but you know,
nonetheless they persist.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
Yeah, Dave questioned for.
Speaker 12 (43:13):
Catherine, Hey, how you doing, good morning guys.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
Morning We hi.
Speaker 11 (43:20):
So just.
Speaker 12 (43:22):
The timeline, as a member of just the general public,
everything seems to be jumbled. Bike you hear this. You
hear that this time, that time, blah blah blah. So
she drops him off, he goes. The defense is saying,
he went into the house. I thought there was a
potty going on in the house. So did he go
(43:43):
in the house. And my concern is the dog bite
or the bits on his arm? Right, So if he
was in the house and he took off his jacket
and he got bet up and killed and the dog
was grabbing at his arm and stuff, where's the guys
when he was found outside, did he have his jacket?
Speaker 19 (44:03):
Like?
Speaker 12 (44:03):
Nobody's even brought up the jacket.
Speaker 2 (44:06):
So we have I think we'll hear.
Speaker 17 (44:08):
A little bit more about the specific specifics of his injuries.
But when he was found he had like a light
you know, like a zip up hoodie sweater on. He
didn't have a winter jacket on him relative to the timeline.
So what the defense theory is is that he did
go in the house, that he was assaulted, there there
were dog bites, and then somebody you know, brought him
out and put him on the front lawn. And they
(44:31):
are using essentially interpret their own interpretations from their experts
of data that they say puts John in the house. Again,
there won't be any there's not going to ever be
anybody who testifies that says John in the house. On
the contrary, there's going to be a number of people
and have already that say John did not go into
the house. So the uphill battle for the defense is
(44:51):
not only to put him in the house, but to explain,
you know, his injuries the other right, which they say
was caused by a dog.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Let's face it, an assault any kind is going to
trigger most.
Speaker 17 (45:01):
Dogs, you would think, so, I mean, especially a German shepherd,
you know, you know, And I think we'll get more
into what his you know this allegedly last time we
heard about this microscopic pieces of taillite in his sweater
that he's found with. There's no dog DNA on his arm,
so that's we haven't heard any of that really yet.
Speaker 6 (45:20):
So we shall see.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Well, as always, Counselor, you're leaving us with a bunch
of phone calls and a bunch of talkbacks. Where can
people reach out to you?
Speaker 17 (45:27):
They can find me on TikTok and you can also
find me on substack. Note my objection dot substack dot
com and doing lots of extra coverage there lives for
premium subscribers, and really, anyway, note my objection.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
You'll find me, and you'll be back with us next Thursday,
and that I will, all right,
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