Furness Show 01-06: Ryan Grubb Fired: Reaction with Corbin Smith, Mike Sando, and Hugh Millen.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
No from the Star Rentals Sports to us Jordan ninety
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
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Breaking news as you've heard everyone now reporting the same
thing that Ryan Grubb is out as the offensive coordinator
with the Seattle Seahawks after just one season.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
We will be all over that for the next three.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hours as we come at you early today from ten
to one with some schedule changes at least just for today.
Seahawks out of the postseason. They did get a win yesterday.
If it matters, frankly it doesn't. Nope, thirty twenty five
is the final exactly. Andrews endorsing that one Black Monday,
Several moves going on around the NFL Jags firing Doug Peterson,
Bill Native four and thirteen. Trent Balky will be retained,

(00:44):
and there is a strong feeling that that's going to
prohibit them from getting a good candidate to replace him,
because you know what, he ain't good. Nobody wants to
work for him. We all know the Bears fired Matt
Eberfluss Flusa a while ago, and offense quick Shane Waldren Weird,
Bengals part ways with defensive coordinat lou and Orumo, Browns

(01:06):
fired offense Cordner Ken Dorsey and former Seahawk offensive line
coach Andy Dickerson. That's a tough couple of years for
old Andy Dickerson. Nice guy, but he's gone again. Raiders
wiped out the majority of their offensive staff. Offense corner
lu Getzi, quarterback coach and line coach. Let go as well.
One and done for Patriots head coach Jared Mayo and
New England's four and thirteen record.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Also, ye hate to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yeah, Alex van peld is out as well. Everyone feeling
Mike Vrabel is going to be the obvious choice to
go there. There is other news around there. Krack and
loss on Saturday to the Oilers four to two. They
take on the Devils tonight Climate Pledge Arena six thirty
pre game right here on your home for the Krack
in Alswan Kong TV. It is Pride Night at Climate
Pledge Arena tonight. Also Washington Hoops. They had a good one.

(01:50):
I watched a good chunk of this. They lost to
Illinois number twenty two Illinois eighty one seventy seven twelve
by seventeen came battling back to Danny Sprinkles team next
game at Michigan State on Thursday at five. You can
hear that over on nine to fifty on the AM dial.
Washington losing a member of their secondary yesterday, cornerback Fattius Dixon,
All Big ten Honorable mention is in the transfer portal,

(02:12):
Washington State hiring former Seahawks and former University of Idaho
forty nine er and cardinal offensive lineman Mike you Potty
as their new offensive line coach.

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Speaker 2 (02:45):
Well, this is always an interesting Monday, made more interesting
today by the fact that we're on early at ten o'clock.
Greg Bell was flying back from Los Angeles today and
the Seahawks have their locker clean out right about now
as we speak, so we'll see what comes out of
that situation. Over at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center. We
have all reporters on this. Oh, we don't have reporters.
We have well, we don't have people on to say

(03:05):
Greg for us. Yeah, we will see what the reaction
is if there isn't and we'll see if guys are around,
if guys are hiding, you know, guys can hide out
a little bit. We'll see if anybody wants to react.
We'll hear from Geno Smith. This is post game from yesterday,
right that we'll hear in a little bit, Jess, Yes,
this is post game yesterday. Okay, we'll hear Gino Smith
talking about Ryan Grubb from yesterday's news conference in LA afterwards.

(03:26):
But hey, I Ian anders Chess, we're all with you
today usually on noon to three. We're on ten to
one today because Greg is over at the Virginia Based
Athletic Center, and thankfully he's going to be over there
because of the news with Ryan Grubb. I think this
is a one day only thing, but we live in
a day to day business just like the Seahawks do.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
So who knows we could be even here tomorrow. We
may not be. I mean, we could be terfed any second.
Now that's the way it works.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
You know what, I am so jaded. I'm sorry this
the human element sucks. Nobody get I hate when people
get fired, Like getting fired is awful. There are people
that deserve to get fired, probably everybody at Fox Sports
Network right now, according to the lawsuit file they But
outside of that, you know, getting fired is no fun.
I look at it from such a different perspective, and

(04:07):
I'm sure Jess and Anders and so many people in
our business do. And I'm not just talking sports media,
sports radio, just media as a whole. Like we've gone
through it. You guys know, we live in a glass house.
We all know what's going on, right I mean, people
in our business get let go on all the time.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
It's just part of the world. We live on it.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
And we joke about being day to day and it's
day to day, and there's certain businesses you get in
and it's day to day. So I've long gotten past
the point where I'm stunned or even are like, oh
that's just really now, man, It's it's the nature of
the beast. We live in an immediate world right now,
and if things aren't going as you want it, immediately
in certain businesses, sports, media, what have you, You get

(04:45):
let go, and there's always a lot of different reasons
behind it. Sometimes oftentimes in the media it's financial. It's
someone counting, you know, beans at a high level that
has no idea what someone's name is, or they just
say we can make a move here and do wait
for it, it more with less. Sometimes it's because ratings
aren't good. Sometimes because you're not good working with a client.

(05:05):
Sometimes if you're on TV, your Q rating isn't good enough.
People don't like how you look, they don't like how
you sound. It just happens. It's a very subjective world.
In sports, it's the same thing. On the surface, it
looks like, hey, somebody could be doing a really good job,
and then you look at it and say, yeah, you
know what, it didn't work out because behind the scenes,
and that's part of it. You get into the business
and that's what happens. You get into business and you
know that anytime you can get fired. Sometimes it's surprising.

(05:27):
I was stunned last year when Pete Carroll got let go,
absolutely stunned, And I know, I'm I don't think justin
energy can correct me from it. I'm not usually a
guy that will go on and pontificate and say there
is no way this is going to happen, or this
is certain to happen unless I really know it. So
I'm always hesitant to do that, but there are times

(05:49):
when you have to.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
I'm surprised.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
I was surprised by Pete Carroll. I thought Pete Carroll
would decide when he was going to leave, talk to
people afterwards, find out that it was just time, and
you know what, upon further review, it made sense.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
It just did. It was time.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
It was time to make a move. And part of
that was because the defense had regressed and the defense,
which was his baby, wasn't up to snuff. And so
they went out and changed that, and then they changed
the whole staff. They changed the culture, and I think,
as we talked about before, we see a team that's
on the optick but offensively, and it's starting to become

(06:25):
a little bit of a joke.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
In this town.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
There are two positions, frankly, you don't want to have
in this city. If you if you want to buy
a house now, if you want to rent, and you
don't plan on staying here very long. Absolutely, Mariner's hitting
coach unless your name is Edgar and Seahawks offensive coordinator,
Pure and simple, those are jobs you just don't.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Want because you're going to get fired, yeah, and you're
going to be a scapegoat.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
But in the case of Ryan Grubb and I was
talking to our friend Kurtz Crabtree on Saturday, We're at
the Cracking game in the press box and we were
talking to you know, just in general terms, and Bent
was sitting there with and we just just kind of
you know, bs in a little bit and I said, Hey,
you know, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (07:05):
What do you think you think they're gonna do anything?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
And I wasn't saying what do you think they're gonna
do with Grub? I just my thought, you know what
I said to him was, hey, what do you what
do you think, like, what do you think might happen?
And we and this is I'm just gonna paraphrase, just
to consensus I think between Curtis and myself and and
you know, we covered the team together forever. I felt
like they were going to make a move with some
with something on the offensive staff. The extreme move would

(07:29):
have been what they did, and that would have been
to let Ryan Grubb go. We both thought, I think,
and I'm pretty sure is what we both kind of agree.
I thought it would be Scott Huff that would take
the fall. I thought the offensive line coach would take
the fall. And I think you could make a stronger
argument for Scott Huff than you could for Ryan Grubb.
Now I don't know what grub status is ab seen.

(07:51):
I just was just checking around. It sounds like Huff
is staying for now, at least that's what we're hearing.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
So, but I thought that was what the move that
would be made, because that is one part of the
team that you could truly look at and say, not
only did it not get better, it might have got worse.
But so I thought that would be And I thought,
just sometimes you make a move just to make a move.
Sometimes it's cosmetic, you know, And I thought that's what

(08:20):
it would be. But instead it's Ryan Grumb. The very
very very surface numbers, like the numbers on the very
surface of what of this team. They're relatively the same
offense as they were a year ago. Points per game.
In twenty three, they were twenty one point four points
per game. In twenty four, they were twenty two point

(08:41):
one rushing yards per game, they were twenty eighth in
the league last year. They're twenty eighth in the league
this year. Passing yards per game they were fourteenth last year,
they were better this year.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
Eighth.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Total yards per game they were twenty first last year.
They were fourteenth this year. So the numbers are a
little bit better in some of the category. And those
are just the most basic numbers. And I'll be honest
with you, if an NFL team's looking at those numbers,
then they're really not doing their job. They're looking at far,
you know, more numbers. And I think I was talking
to Andrews about this off the air, just I think

(09:13):
one of the things you look at, Yesterday's helped inflate
some of the numbers, whereas Chicago helped kind of deflate
some of the numbers in the last two weeks of
the season. You cannot put any stock in what happened
yesterday that that was.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
In fact, I would use yesterday as an as a.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
More of an indictment on the team than any type
of positivity. They almost got beat by Jimmy Garoppolo, a
bunch of bands and the fourth, fifth, and sixth string
wide receivers backups across the board. Shout out to our guy,
Brendan Jackson had a nice game though, but he's not
gonna be playing in the playoffs on the defensive line.

(09:51):
Like they almost got beat by that team, Like really,
they probably should have been beat by that team. So
I put no number, no stock in what happened yesterday.
So they made the move. Ryan Grubb is out. So
that sets up an interesting day today. If you saw
the Twitter earlier and the.

Speaker 6 (10:08):
Blue skyes Sky's blue bluest skies you've ever seen, or
in Seattle, if you saw earlier we tape Dan McCoy
watching State Athletic Director.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
We're gonna hold that off. Nothing's gonna change. Well I
don't think it change.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Yeah, I just did, didn't I?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Well, you know what, we have a number we call
her back, but we're gonna we'll probably get to ann tomorrow.
H we're hearing is it tomorrow? At one o'clock? There's
a Mike McDonald press conference chess.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
There is and uh as everything stays on schedule, we
will have that for you at one o'clock live tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
We'll carey that live for you here in Caje tomorrow. Okay,
so we'll say save Anne for tomorrow. We've got a
lot going on today. Here's what we're gonna do. Uh,
We're gonna check in with Corbyn Smith here in about
ten minutes time and we'll get his thoughts. He's at
the airport after covering the game yesterday head and back,
so we'll just get some quick thoughts from him. Obviously
want to hear from you guys as well. And I

(11:04):
don't want to go bigger picture with the Seahawks today.
I really don't, so do me a favorite, like, keep
it specific to this. I just want to know what
Seahawks fans thoughts are on making a move with Ryan Grubb.
Do you think it's the right move? Are you okay
with it? Are you good with it? Do you think
this was something that needed to happen? Did you watch
an offense this season that you thought was markedly better

(11:24):
than last year under Shane Waldron four nine four five
one text line When it's game time and I want
to hear your voices today, guys, this is the day,
because again here's listen to me carefully. I want to
hear about Grub and the offense. Do you think this
was the right move? Go to the iHeartRadio app, the brand.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
New iHeart Radio app.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
By the way, Hey, and I'm sure the little haven't checked.
Is the a little red microphone still there?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah, I assuming it is.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, of course, get us the go to the red
microphone the talk back. Want to hear your voice today,
your thoughts on Ryan Grubb getting let go by the
Seahawks as the offensive coordinator today. I really want to
hear your voices. Hey, just loves to edit those down.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
It is a passion of mine.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yes, it is a passion of it.

Speaker 7 (12:06):
And uh yeah, eleven thirty is when we'll be able
to get to those Okay, so you know we've got
a little bit of a obviously a wonky schedule.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Yeah it it won't be the normal end of the show,
because twelve to one Hugh mill in hardcore football is
gonna be with us, twelve to one hardcore foot both you.
Cormyn coming up in a minute. Mike Sando is joining
us at eleven o'clock today. We'll have some time for
you guys at eleven thirty. Today Daily Power played eleven
forty five. But we want I want to hear you guys.
I want to hear your voices. Is Ryan Grubb getting

(12:33):
let go the right choice? Yes or no? And what
do you think? Do you think the offense was better?
Gino hit all kinds of roster or you know, contract bonuses, whatever,
team game, don't care. I mean some I thought it
was cool. And Mike Evans hit it yesterday by the way,
for Sampa. Yeah, they'd already clinched the game. There was
something there, Chris, I, oh, you can't. They threw the safest,
easiest pass.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
In the world. It was a no brainer.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Get him his money, be done with it, your reward
a guy that's been a pillar of the frame. Gino yesterday.
I just felt like Gino today. Yesterday was all about
he gets He gets to the point where he needed
to get, and then all of a sudden he's hurt.
I just didn't like the look. I didn't like the optics.
I'll be honest with you. I didn't like it at all.

(13:14):
I'm not saying you should have started Sam Howe, because
I don't think he's the answer by any means. I
just didn't like it. But I'm glad he got it.
You know, good for him, you know, earn your money.
Take the Hey, if the man wants to pay you.
Let him pay you, all right, four nine four to
five one, Tomaro dex Line. Let's get your talk backs.
Corpen Smith joins us. Coming up next, It's time.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
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Speaker 3 (13:58):
He and a segment today with Corbett Smith.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
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Throughout through we'll have Corbin on. By the way, this
is not getting you off the hook on Thursday, fell off.
We got you on Thursday to kind of put a
wrap on the season as well. I want to specifically
just talk today about about the news it broke a
little while ago that Ryan Grubb is out. I know
you're at a airport getting ready to head out of

(14:23):
la Are you flying out of lax if soul?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Godspeed to you, sir.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
I'm actually flying out of Denver.

Speaker 9 (14:29):
I did not go to the game on Sunday, so
I'm working on trying to get there.

Speaker 8 (14:34):
I'm fortunately going to miss the.

Speaker 9 (14:35):
Locker room close out because my flight got delayed.

Speaker 8 (14:39):
But you know, that's what happens in January.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
So yeah, you and the you and the Kansas City chiefs.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
You see, they got stuck in Denver and they couldn't
get out of Denver and they couldn't get into Kansas
City anyway. So it's, uh, you know, it's it's that
time of the year. And I'll be honest with you.
People ask me all the time, do you miss doing
the Hawks and on the road, And I'm like, nope.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
You know, in fact, I'll tell you why quick.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Store a year ago today basically what this day it was,
the Huskies were playing for national championship if you remember
that night, and we were coming back from Arizona final
Seahawk game of the year and uh, and that was
when they had the door blew out of Alaska Airlines
out of the side to the door, remember on the
SAT on the Friday night. On the Friday night before
we left, we got to Sea Tech Saturday Gong Show,

(15:22):
somehow made it to Arizona, and then we left Arizona
at the stadium on Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
I was thinking about this last night.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Left the stadium on Sunday, got the text, Oh, yeah,
your flight's canceled. I mean we were literally I spent
six hours in Medford, Oregon a year ago today, watched
pretty much the entire pregame show on ESPN or the
Huskies in Michigan. It was fun, found a great group up.
But at that point in time, like.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
I don't miss the world you're in right now, buddy,
do not miss that world at Also, I'll be happy
just to drive to the rink tonight and do a
cracking game instead. So all right, let's uh, let's get
to it. Ryan Grubb is out. I'll just your reaction.

Speaker 8 (16:01):
I'm not surprised.

Speaker 9 (16:02):
And you may remember a few weeks ago when you
had me on the show that and I had reported
this a couple of weeks ago on my website on
Seahawks on SI that I had been told that it
might not matter what happened the last two games. There
was already frustrations boiling over in the coach's office with
Ryan Grubb, and my understanding was that he was very

(16:24):
much on a tenuous ground and that ends up being
what happened here. So I'm not surprised at all that
they made the move. I thought it might happen Tuesday
or Wednesday, but they did not waste time, and it
just was, as Mike McDonald put it this morning, it
was a philosophical issue. These two guys were butting heads
most of the season and it just was not working.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I know you're working on a story that you're going
to post at some point when you get the green
light for some other insights. What can you tell me though,
at this point, let's go back to three weeks ago,
butting heads philosophically.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
What more can you give me in that terms?

Speaker 9 (17:02):
Yeah, there's a lot of fine details to this, as
you mentioned, I'm working on getting green light to be
able to release that information.

Speaker 8 (17:10):
But what I can say right now, Ian is the Vikings.

Speaker 9 (17:14):
Game that was really the end point with this, because,
as you may remember, the Seahawks they were trailing by
three and this was the second to last possession they had.
They drove down to the Vikings I believe it was
their forty yard line, and they had a couple of
big pass plays that got him down there, and there
was more than three minutes to play, and Mike McDonald

(17:36):
wanted to eat some clock, which makes a ton of sense,
that's what you should do at that point. But they
kept throwing the ball and Gino Smith got stacked quickly
and it set him back, and then Jason Myers missed
a field goal and Seattle ended up losing that game
by three points. That was really the last straw for
him because there had been too many other times this

(17:56):
year where there were sequences like that where it was
just past past pass pass and they weren't able to
control the football. They were giving up sacks, and in
that case you lost what probably would have been at
least three points on that drive. They might have a
chance to win the game going down the field, but
it was just too predictable and too one dimensional. That

(18:16):
was really the breaking point that and really broke the
ice here, and maybe the Seahawks felt we need to
have a change with who's calling plays next year.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
I wonder, okay, a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
I'm just gonna wonder this out loud, react however you
like in that case, because we heard this a lot
when Pete was here.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
You know, Hey, stuff goes through his headset.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
He's the head coach and things like that and every
you know, we talked to Mike about it. We got
home back on on Wednesday. I'll kind of go back
through this with him. I mean, Mike's talked about the process.
Every head coach is a different process. I guess maybe
if you're not the offensive play caller, it's hard to
make overrule when you hear something come down there's ten
second or you know, eighteen seconds left on the clock

(18:56):
before the microphone gets cut off, and all those types
of things and the logistics of it. But I'm just wondering,
how could we get to that point as a head
coach to let if you wanted something done different, like,
why wasn't it done differently?

Speaker 9 (19:08):
From my understanding, this was a trust related issue, And
what it really boiled down to is that McDonald wanted
to be able to trust all of his assistants to
be able to make those decisions without him overruling.

Speaker 8 (19:19):
He didn't want.

Speaker 9 (19:19):
To jump in and be that coach that is constantly
tweaking with what his assistants are doing. But they had
had conversations behind the scenes all year long. I mean,
this has been going on for months in and they've
been having these discussions where I mean, you've heard how
many times Mike McDonald and press conferences was saying, we
need to run the ball more, we need to take

(19:40):
care of the football better. These were things that were
being aired constantly after games, after practices, and they're just there.
Never was the follow through from Ryan Grubb to get
that where it needed to be, where these two guys
were aligned philosophically with what they wanted to do. And
so I think that this really was a situation where

(20:01):
Mike McDonald wants to do with all of his assistance,
he does not want to step.

Speaker 8 (20:04):
On their toes.

Speaker 9 (20:05):
But I think he was supportingly realized, like, I can't
operate in this relationship that way.

Speaker 8 (20:10):
So this isn't gonna work.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Let me let me go back to that game that
you're referring to, because that's when you had the story,
and I just to refresh everyone's memory in that regard.
So Sam Donald throws at Jefferson thirty nine yards touchdown pass.
Minnesota leads Seattle twenty seven to twenty four. Seattle gets
the ball back three fifty one to go at their
thirty yard line. Gino Smith to Noah Fant to the
Seattle forty eight for eighteen yards. As Corbyn mentioned, they

(20:35):
went past heavy, Gino Smith to Kenny McIntosh fifteen yards,
and all of a sudden, it's first and ten at
the Minnesota thirty seven yard line with three or four
left to go, and let's remember three or four left
to go, first intend to thirty seven. That's a fifty
two yard field goal at that point, right, fifty two
yard field goal, actually forty at forty to the Minnesota

(20:57):
thirty seven. So first intend at the thirty seven. It's
a fifty too year field goal at that point in time,
maybe fifty three fifty four somewhere in there, but it's
Jason Myers made those all year. The next play, not
a run play, Gino Smith sacked for minus six yards
by Van Kinkel, who that guy's a beast, by the way,
And then second and sixteen at the Minnesota forty three.

(21:17):
That's a sixty yard field goal incomplete to DK metcalf
third and sixteen at the forty three and basically they're
just trying to get something. They go short to Sharbonay,
he gets only one yard. They missed the sixty yard
field goal. That's the series that put them over the edge,
is what you're kind of saying.

Speaker 8 (21:34):
Yeah, that was the breaking point.

Speaker 9 (21:35):
And from my understanding, there was also some heated discussions
after the Green Bay Packers game the week prior with
how Sam Howell was handled, and I believe it was
the first twelve plays after howl checked in, they threw
the ball or dialed up pass plays on each of
the first twelve and then Zach Sharbone had a twenty
four yard touchdown run and it was suddenly a ten
point game with over ten minutes to go.

Speaker 8 (21:56):
You still have the full playbook.

Speaker 9 (21:57):
Opened, and they come out to the next drive and
just half that pass and it just reached a point
that Mike McDonald couldn't take it anymore. He wasn't gonna
fire him before the season was over with. But my
understanding is that Mike McDonald believes that if they would
have handled their offense a little bit better in terms
of balance, especially the end of football games, that.

Speaker 8 (22:18):
They're playing this next week in the postseason.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, there's no doubt. I mean there's there's absolutely no doubt.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I mean they And here's the thing, the Green Band
they scored thirteen points, like they get beat thirty to
thirteen like like, and you go go back through there,
and I think there's certain games this season that you
look at.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I mean, Buffalo, you just got boat race, and that's
that led.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
To the defensive changes. Right after the Buffalo game. That
was kind of like, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna go
and the linebackers aren't good enough.

Speaker 8 (22:44):
We ven in that game.

Speaker 9 (22:46):
Even in that game, the Seahawks had a chance to
be ahead going into the half and they point a
couple of red zone possessions where it was literally just
we can't run the ball, let's just pass it, and
it just played. When you're playing in congestive space like
that and you don't or can't run most of the time,
is just don't want to. It makes it so much
easier on the defense how much.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
And I'm gonna just made tease ahead to on our
show today he was gonna join us normally, and normally
we're on one or noon to three and Hugh comes
on at one o'clock. We're gonna have Hugh on at
noon today for hardcore football. I'm gonna I'm gonna jump
into the basically into the red zone and specifically goal
to goal offense, because I think the goal to goal
is the one that's most damning for Ryan Grubb. They
were twenty eighth in first and and goal to goal

(23:29):
offense this year, So in other words, when you get
first and goal, they were the fourth worst team in
the NFL at sixty two percent. You just described one
of those, a couple of those series that, to me,
even more so than the red zone, was an indictment
on Ryan Grubb. But also I thought it was an
indictment on the offensive line. And none of us know,
and maybe the questions will be answered by Mike McDonald tomorrow.

(23:52):
You know, I thought that if they were going to
make a move Corbyn, it would have been the offensive
line coach. And I like Scott Huff and did it
hell of a job at Washington.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
But I don't think there's any doubt that not only
did they not get better, you could probably make an
argument the offensive line got worse and that's his job,
and it's not just his job coaching. I will go
to my grave thinking knowing and believing that when you're
making off season decisions and training camp decisions and who's
going to start decisions, that the offensive line coach is

(24:24):
involved in those with the offensive line. It's not just
the head coaches of defensive guys, not just the offensive coordinator,
and it's not just John Schneider the offensive line coaches.
At the end of the day, that's that's his world.
And I thought that was the move they would make.
I really did.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
I'm a little more surprised with Grubb.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I thought that if they're going to make a move,
and for maybe no other reasons than cosmetic, it would
have been Scott huff.

Speaker 9 (24:45):
Yeah, I'm kind of surprised that this wasn't a package deal,
like it was bringing them in as a package deal.
I thought that they probably if they got rid of one,
that would probably be both. But the pushback that I
will give you, and this is just based on a
few conversations that I've had here over the last couple
of weeks, and you watched the film, you can see this.
It felt like there was a major disconnect with the

(25:08):
offensive line in terms of what they were supposed to
be doing with the scheme stuff, and that shouldn't be
happening in the NFL. And you can blame both coaches
for that, but that falls, in my opinion as a
former coach myself, that falls most in the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 8 (25:24):
If you've if you're in Week.

Speaker 9 (25:25):
Sixteen, like we saw against the Vikings and you have
offensive linemen that looked like they're not sure who they're
supposed to block and things like that, Yeah, offensive line coach,
you can look at for that, but that's gonna be
shouldered by the offensive coordinator first and foremost like and
it just felt like they schematically were never connected this year,
very seldomly with the run game, and then he waited

(25:46):
until too late to get the gap game going. That's
really where they were at their best this year. So
I saw some improvements from the O line late in
the season, you didn't see improvements or at least enough
in terms of what Ryan Grubb was doing and in
terms of just adapting during games.

Speaker 8 (26:01):
That Bear's game was also a dreadful one to watch.

Speaker 9 (26:04):
In that regard, and so I think that I think
that they just looked at it from a perspective that
we feel more confident that Scott Huff can grow into
a quality offensive line coach than we do at this
point that McDonald and Grub are gonna be able to
co exist with their differing philosophy.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
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Speaker 3 (26:31):
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Speaker 2 (26:33):
Before I let you go, Corbin, let me just go
back to the actual hiring of Ryan Grubb and if
we look, we're all being honest here.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
None of us are done.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
We all understand Ryan Grubb getting hired was a huge
deal because of what he just accomplished at Washington. He
had the best college offense in the country for two
years and last year it wasn't even close. What they
did offensively at Washington in twenty twenty three under both
kal and Debor and Ryan Grubb. He gets hired. He's
a big name in this town. Took a team in
a national championship game. Boy, he said one year ago.
Today they're getting ready to play Michigan that night in

(27:00):
the title game. So Grubb's name resonates more than a
Shane Waldron or a Schottenheimer or Bevil or anybody else
along the way. I'm just curious why he was hired,
you know, like if there was such an obvious disconnect,
and maybe Mike McDonald, I don't know if i'll ever
maybe this is part of your story the you're gonna're
working on, hopefully we'll have at some point. Do you

(27:21):
think this was a John Schneider hire?

Speaker 8 (27:24):
It absolutely was.

Speaker 9 (27:25):
I think that, okay, And also I think part of
it also you have to consider the timing here. The
Seahawks were one of the last teams that hired their
head coach, and so by that point a lot of
the staffs, the new staffs had already been filled across
the league. So there may have been some other play
callers that Mike McDonald would have been more interested in
it were no longer on the market, and John Schneider

(27:46):
and even Pete Carroll. I was told Pete Carroll had
some interest in Ryan Grubb and seeing what he was
doing at Washington. I think that this was something that
had been brilling for quite some time in terms of
you know, John Schneider was enamored by Mike McDonald, but
he was also enamored by Ryan Grubb, and he was
hoping he could put those two together and they could

(28:07):
make this work. But unfortunately grub Hub did not deliver
in this case.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Final thing for a Corbyn. Do you think this is
the last Well, I'm gonna get two things for you.
Do you think this is the last move of the
coaching staff.

Speaker 8 (28:21):
No, I don't.

Speaker 9 (28:22):
I don't know that there's gonna be anything else major
in terms of coordinators getting let go, Like I expect
Adam Durday is going to be back. Jay Harball would
be the one that I'd maybe wonder a little bit
just because the cover so inconsistent.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Their coverage off this year.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't am I wrong in that I
don't have the numbers in front of me. It just
appeared to my eyes that their coverage on punt and
kickoffs was just awful this year. Maybe that was because
of injuries, but you know what, every team has injuries, right,
every team's every team's banged up. Here in that world,
it felt like it was kind of like with Brian
Grubb trying to scheme against NFL defenses. It felt like

(28:58):
there was that big gap in terms of what I
can do as a first time coordinator, what I need
to be able to do to go against these teams
that have coaches that have been coaching in the NFL
for a long time. And I think there's still potential
there for Jay Harball, So I would not be surprised
if he's back, but that would be another name that
I would keep an eye on. I do expect there

(29:19):
would at least be a couple of changes on the
staff because after year one, Mike McDonald's tip they didn't
make the playoffs, and he's going to figure out, Hey,
what were the weak points here?

Speaker 9 (29:28):
What can we fix, what can we improve upon? So
I think there will be a few more moves before
it's all said and done.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
On Thursday when we wrap up the season, and on
by Thursday, we'll have heard from Mike McDonald, and if
there are other changes, I'm sure we'll know about it
by Thursday. I'm gonna also go down the rabbit hole
of John Schneider with you on Thursday, all right, I'll
just tease ahead to that because I think you know
we've talked about it. You and I have talked about it.
You and I have talked about it. We've all talked

(29:54):
about like their off season was horrific, like absolutely horrific
in terms of what they did in the offseason free
agency wise and everything else. There was obviously a disconnect
between the offensive coording to the head coach. I think
there might have been a disconnect between the head coach
and the general manager, at least in terms of some
of the personnel that they brought in. So we'll talk
about that Thursday, Corbyn. In the meantime, let me know

(30:17):
when that story is ready to rock and roll.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
Man.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I'm interested to hear the details on what went into
Ryan grubbs firing.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
I'm looking forward to getting everything wrapped up and tied
together and unleashing some information that I have been sitting on.

Speaker 8 (30:30):
For a little while.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
So all right, I can't wait for it. We'll look
forward to that.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
What's the Twitter handle for people at a blue sky
where people can look for that later on today.

Speaker 8 (30:38):
Corbett Smith NFL on both platforms.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Love it, Safe travels, my friend. We'll talk to you Thursday.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
Sounds good.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Thank you, Corbyn Smith joining us here on the Beacon
plumbing hotline. Big thanks to him for popping on in.
Yeah Hill, there's some stuff that's going to be pretty
juicy in there from Corbyn. So we'll keep an eye
on that when it comes out along the way, and
we'll have them on again on Thursday. Brought to you
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(31:04):
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a couple of minutes. We got a minute or two here,
we'll come back. I'll get Andrews thoughts, Jess thoughts, Well,
get your thoughts as well. We're gonna do it some
time at eleven thirty today, four nine four five one
tell them or text line when it's game time.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
I know it's toy time.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Oh about that? Just on dial.

Speaker 5 (31:27):
It's good having all three of us on the show.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Huh yeah, And what are you bailing the game tomorrow?

Speaker 8 (31:31):
Why?

Speaker 5 (31:32):
I was going to bail today, but then Jess was like,
you have to come in.

Speaker 10 (31:34):
Ian really wants to literally the opposite of that.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
You're working the cracking game. We don't have to come
in for bothing. No, no, I cracked the whip, fella.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I'm working at cracksy game too.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
That's right, and that's exactly what I thought, and that's
why I came in.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
All right, there we go.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
I'm hoping I'm sitting the bar a little higher for
you along the way. I know Benton's just said play.
I did play by play a couple years ago. You
know what I did all those days? Hotel room radio shows,
Yes a day. So I don't know what the hell
Benton's doing wining and complaining. So I'm glad that you're
like stepping up. All right, when we come back, we'll
get your thoughts on it. I'm gonna quick wrap up

(32:10):
as well. I'll just say this, and I mentioned I
think you guys knew where I was going in the
first segment. Again, I don't like guys getting fired. I
love when when the sports teams that we cover follow
are fans over what have you do? Not stay complacent?
Paging team Mobile Park. I love I love when it

(32:32):
you know, not good enough isn't good enough? And that's
what we have seen the last two years from the
Seattle Seahawks, and and I think as a Seahawks fan,
whatever your emotions and feelings are today, especially if you're
you know, if you're a Husky fan of you're a huge,
diehard grub fan. First of all, you can never take
away what he did for you at Washington Like he
was remarkable there, There's no doubt about that. Hell I

(32:55):
still I'll still say this, and I guess people don't
like my votes, but I think the best in the
country last year was Michael Pennix junior and it wasn't
even close, and and against better competition and bigger games,
he was the best court. He was better than Daniels
last year, not this year, but last year in college,
and that was Ryan grumm.

Speaker 11 (33:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
You can't take that away. But if it wasn't gonna work,
you gotta applaud that. We'll talk more about that when
we come back.

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Speaker 3 (33:36):
All right, we're back.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Mike Sandal's gonna join us just after eleven o'clock. It's
he infnest with you or saying, where's greg Bell? What
are you doing for nes y? You on so early today,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Where's the soothing voice of mister Gregathon Bell.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, well he was doing some important work for us
right now.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yes, so hopefully early for all of us today.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
But we're gonna we'll fight through it at the you know,
early hours of ten forty seven in the morning.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
We're here once we hit double digits, Yeah, we're here.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Ware we go.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
I want to get to Gino Smith sound in a second,
and we will. And just just as a heads up, Andrews,
I'm gonna play the second one that Jess has listed there,
the one that's submitted twenty five seconds long. Okay, we'll
do that in a second. Just a quick thought from
both of you. Jess first up, thoughts on Ryan grem in.

Speaker 7 (34:25):
My mind and this is with no in you know,
inside information, not what I've heard. But I think there's
a lot that we see that doesn't happen and you know,
in front of our eyes or I'm sorry, a lot
that happens that we don't see.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Is what I meant to say.

Speaker 7 (34:37):
And I think that this is a sign of someone
who might have been in over his head and we
don't see what's going on in the locker rooms, everything
that's in the meeting rooms, everything the Corbyn smith said
that was inside information on especially that Vikings game. With
him butting heads with the head coach, you just can't
have that, and with him calling plays philosophically, and then

(35:00):
also him calling plays that didn't go with what the
head coach wanted it. It doesn't surprise me, especially after
hearing that, but I think there's more that happened beyond
what we see and what we hear, and just having
been around locker rooms and coaches my entire life and
my entire career, I think there's probably something that they

(35:20):
noticed that he wasn't going to take.

Speaker 10 (35:21):
A step forward in a year two anders Well, I
thought it was really interesting when Corbyn said that this
was definitely a John Schneider hire. You would think that
someone who was brought in in Mike McDonald to kind
of hire his own staff and that he gave the
trust to And what Corbyn was talking about is he
doesn't want to have to go over their heads, which
makes a lot of sense. He said it earlier in
the season. He is the head coach of the offense, right,

(35:43):
he wants to just focus on his defense. So someone
who would have that much trust in someone, you would
think he would be the one to hire them. And
then I wonder was this a John Schneier firing or
was this a Mike McDonald firing. So those are the
two questions I have after this. But I with obviously
the differences between the two, you can't be in that.
So and I still think Ryan grab would be a
successful uh oh see in maybe another situation. I still

(36:06):
believe in what he does, and you know he looked
showed it last year with the U dub right, but
I just think it something wasn't matching this year.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
I the two things I would before we hear from
Geno that I would I would wrap up with her.
This one is I think you know the semantics of
the hiring process. I'm assuming you know when it was
a quote John Schneider hire, not like as Corbin said,
late in the process, a lot of guys already gone.
Your first time head coach in the NFL, so you

(36:37):
don't have a big pool to pull from.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, right, you.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Haven't done this before, you know, you've been the assistant
coach and now you're looking to hire other assistant coaches
and you've been planning to be a head coach for
a well, like, let's be honest, like like he he
knew he was going to get and he did get interviews.
He knew he was gonna get interviews. He knew he
was one of those guys. He was just like Ben
Johnson is this year and Aaron glenn is this year.
Like all that stuff was known. But because he hadn't

(37:00):
been a head coach before, he didn't have a true
pool to pull from. He had names, but you know,
so it was probably a more limited in stun. It
probably said, hey, listen, this guy down at Montlake. We've
been watching these guys. We're close to these guys. This
guy's the dude, like you know, And that's probably where
it went and they probably so they went down that road.
One hundred percent. I think it's a Mike McDonald firing. Yeah,
I think if nothing else, what we've seen with Mike

(37:21):
McDonald is this and this is where again I applaud
what they do and I kind of use two of
the three teams in town. I'll take the Sounders in
the storm out of it, just for the sake of simplicity.
But I'll take two of the three teams in town
and say this, there is no screwing around with the
Seahawks and the Kraken.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
If they don't.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Like how things are going, and if they think that
they can make a change to make the feel that
the team better and more competitive, they don't hesitate to
do it. They just don't hesitate to do it. And
it doesn't matter what the cost is, it doesn't matter
who you upset. It's professional sports and they treat.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
It that way.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
And again, as a fan, you have to love that,
because whether it's getting rid of a Super Bowl winning coach,
whether it's getting rid of an offensive coordinator who was
kind of beloved in this town after just one year
seems like too short of a tenure, whatever it might be.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Then guess what, they don't care. They do it. And
I love that.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I think as a fan you have to appreciate that.
Hell Man, I don't know if I'll be honest with
you and this is an insight or anything like that.
If the Kraken don't show signs of improvement, they'll make
changes in the offseason. Hell they might be playing paying
three coach. I'm not saying they're gonna turf posmap Okay,
don't get me wrong, but it wouldn't surprise me if
things go south that they don't care. They'll pay three coaches,

(38:43):
they'll pay four coaches. They don't care. And the Seahawks
are the same way. Hell, we saw that back when
they fired Jim Or after one year and paid them,
got a gobs of money just to go away, right,
and they were already paying Mike I think the final
year or something. It didn't even matter. They don't care.
They got rid of PA. They don't care. Money is
not a factor it. Winning is everything. And I love

(39:05):
that about the organization. I really really love that about
the organization. I don't like it if i'm you know,
from the personal standpoint, and I don't you know, nobody.
Like I said in the first segment, getting guys fired
doesn't work. But if it's not working, and if it's
not going to work, that's the other part of it
I brought. I brought up media. I mean, we saw
that in our building month and a half ago. If

(39:27):
something isn't working, then don't try to make it work.
You know, if it's not gonna work. Bye bye, Thanks
for coming. And and that's what happens, man, And that's
pro sports. That's that's that's big business. That's that's like,
you know, I'll give you this.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I think I can tell you this. NFL source that
just texted me this.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
They thought there was there was word around the league
that they were going to fire They almost fired Grub
at the b during the bye week.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Wow, jeez.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
How about that one?

Speaker 11 (40:05):
Back?

Speaker 3 (40:05):
When was the bye week? That was do do? That's
when they okay, the bye week was week ten.

Speaker 10 (40:11):
At that point they raced by Buffalo, right the Rams.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
It was the Rams lost at home twenty six to twenty.
So at that point they were three four three, they
were four and five, they'd lost, they'd lost five of
six games and going into the bye week they lost
five to six, two straight. And quote they almost fired
him at.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
The bye that's what I just got. Wow, Holy smoke.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
That that surprises me. So first, Yuroc two.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Wow, Well that's the behind the curtains thing.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
That that goes back to, like so the so obviously
if that was the thought going in and then it's
not like they lit it up coming out of the buy.
They scored twenty points against San Francisco sixteen against Arizona.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Was the defense that the defense got improved.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
So they focused on the defense. They and the defense.
And here's the thing. The defense got better this year.

Speaker 11 (41:01):
It did.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
It got it got better. It was awful early, but
it got better and it got better. Because what happened,
let's go back to not being complacent. Baker and Dotson
weren't good enough. They got rid of those guys and
they went out and they invested in Ernest Jones. They
took a gamble, said all right, we're gonna put the
fourth round pick in there and see if night can play,
you know, and and and away away they went. Uh,

(41:23):
there's a lot of things in the off season went wrong.
We talked about it last week with Hugh if you remember,
like our our our a week ago and we did
hardcore Football, and we talked about this with Hugh Millon
and and you know, I asked you just a very
general question, like what do you think went wrong? You know, what,
why are they not in the playoffs? Because at that
point a year a week ago, we knew they were
in the playoffs. And he said, John Schneider and he

(41:43):
broke down what John Sneyder's offseason was. Well, they went
out and they tried to rectify at least the linebackers.
They can't do everything right, but they've tried to go
out and they fixed things.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
And that's what they did. That's what they did. Yeah,
almost fired him during the bye week. Wow, that's crazy.
That's that's that's a that's.

Speaker 5 (41:58):
A this had does not screw around in front of this.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
Guy does not mess around and and it fits with
the organization. It does. It fits with the philosophy of
the organization. I heard Holmgrin this morning.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Holgrin was upset Mike's on with this Wednesday right, Yes, yes,
like Mike, because Mike didn't fire assistant coaches.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
He just that's not that's not something he ever did.
He had not fire assistant coaches.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
But Mike was upset this morning when he got because
he got the they got the news basically live right
a nin o'clock happened, Yes, and I was. I was
in the car and I hear him and Mike's like, yeah, man,
I don't like it, and I get that Mike's little
more old school, but this is a world you live
in right now.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
That had better work. I think we're not gonna get
to Geno this segment. That's fine, we'll try.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
We'll say some time at the end of Sandals segment
next uh and hear from Geno Smith and then Jess
if you can check.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
We'd love to hear some talkbacks in there.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
They have a bunch they're rolling in. There are rolling in.

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Chill on a Choose Chill Monday. The breaking news coming
out a little while ago, various outlets reporting I don't think.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
I haven't seen anything official from the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
But everyone reporting that Ryan Grubb out as the offense
coordinator with the Seahawks after just one season.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
We'll talk more about that as the day goes on.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Seahawks did get a win yesterday, finish the season with
ten wins.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
If that matters. I think they're the first nine.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I think I do know first ten win team not
to make the NFL post suspitted this last wildcard. Yeah,
we did that last week at first ten when team
not to make it as a wildcard.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
They didn't finished sort of tied for first.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Place in the NFC West and it doesn't matter, didn't
make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Bottom line.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Gino Smith threw for four touchdowns yesterday. I had a
good season statistically. Black Monday, the moves around the NFL
as always, Jags firing Doug Peterson. Trent Balke will be
retained as a GM. That might be an interesting dynamic
to see who they can get into work with Trent Balke.
We already know the Bearers are looking for a head coach.
Bengals let go their defensive coordinator, Browns fired offensive coordinator

(44:15):
Can't Dorsey and o line coach former Seahawk offensive line
coach Andy Dickerson. Raiders wiped out basically their entire offensive
staff on the offensive side, drove Mayo out as new
England's coach, along with offensive coordinator Alex van Pelt.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Expect Mike Frable maybe to end up there.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
We'll Siausando has some insight there on that Kraken lost
to the Oilers Saturday four to two. Next up the
Devils tonight six thirty pre game seven o'clock drop of
the puck Pride Night at Climate Pledge Arena. You can
hear that game right here on nine three point three KJRFM.
Washington hoops put up a hell of a fight yesterday
almost upset number twenty two Illinois eighty one seventy seven
in the line, I come away with the win. Next

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game is at Michigan State on Thursday. Washington football lost
a key member their secondary yesterday. Thatteus Dixon All Big
ten Honorable Mentioned cornerback is in the transfer portal. Washington
State reportedly hiring Mike you Potty, the former Seahawk cardinal
and forty nine er offensive lineman who is a University
of Idaho alum, as their new offensive line coach. Let's
get to Mike Sando.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
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Speaker 2 (45:33):
Well, there's absolutely nothing going on on the Monday after
the end of the regular season in the NFL, but
we'll have Mike sandal lot Anyway, I joked sarcastic as
it gets Hi, Mike, how.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Are you good?

Speaker 11 (45:43):
How are you?

Speaker 3 (45:43):
I'm good. Here we go.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Always an interesting day on a Monday after the NFL
regular season ends. I'd even mention guys being retained, including
Brian Daball in New York with the Giants head coach
swell Aser GM there.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
So we'll get to all that.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Let's just get your reaction first and f aemost from
the Ryan Grub News today.

Speaker 11 (46:02):
Well, they didn't wait around, you know.

Speaker 12 (46:05):
I think it was pretty clear they weren't just gonna
see who they could get and maybe.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Run it back.

Speaker 12 (46:11):
It was seems clear that the head coach, as he
said you know today, was the vision was not aligned.
So it was a little bit of an arranged marriage
as it was. You know, you had a young coach,
youngest coach in the league coming in didn't have somebody.
You don't always get your first you don't get your
best staff right away, right you know. Sometimes you it's

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just who's available. So you know, he's a younger coach,
and he's a defensive coach, and I think they were
sort of matched together with help from the front office,
and it didn't go as they had hoped.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
It does happen, I know.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
I think we were talking about this even in the
break Anders and Night, Mike, but it's a little This
was different in the sense that and let's go back
when and you remember this when Pete Carroll first got here.
Great example, you mentioned that when Pete Carroll first got here,
he let his offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates go after one year.
And I went back and looked and found a couple
of stories written about it, and it was, wait for it,
philosophical differences. Right, bas wanted to throw the ball over.

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He wanted to throw the ball. That's what it was here,
you know, and that wasn't what Pete wanted to do.
So you would think Pete would know what he wanted
to do when he came in, which he did, but
he didn't get you know, he hadn't been in the
league for a while and I can't even remember how
that all came together with Bates being the OC.

Speaker 12 (47:29):
But he made a change, and he made more changes
as he went along, you know, and had good offenses.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
I think it's a good point you made though before,
because yeah, he did make more changes. And you know,
in Pete's case, he's coming from the college ranks.

Speaker 13 (47:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
You know, in this case, you have a first time
head coach coming from a coordinator in Mike McDonald. But
he was I believe McDonald was. We were just talking
about this with Cordon Smith lug like maybe the last
head coach hired last year during the hiring process, and
so you get to that point you've never been a
head coach before, as you said, and Pete was the
same way, even though he had coached in the NFL
and had been really successful at college. Your first staff

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may not be your best staff, right, and and that
might be the it's the harsh reality of the league.
You're going to make changes. You've got to get guys
in there that you believe are on the same page
with you, right, So maybe you know onward and up
where that's just the life of an NFL coach.

Speaker 12 (48:19):
And the classic example of somebody who does that, and
you can complain about who the coordinator is, but Jim
Harbaugh knows he wants to have Greg Roman and he
wants to run that offense right, and so from day
one that to he gets and people will, you know,
may complain about the offense. You may like the offense,
but that's the vision of the head coach. He wants
to win the games that way.

Speaker 11 (48:35):
He wants Justin.

Speaker 12 (48:37):
Herbert to have like five or fewer picks at the
end of the year and then to be a low
turnover team that runs the ball, right, that's his identity. Yeah,
so you know Mike mcgonald has the identity that's probably
closer to that than Ryan Grubb, Right, So yes, I
would definitely think they're going to get somebody who isn't
going to have to plug their nose to run the ball.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
And guess what it worked for Jim Harbai last i checked,
the Chargers are a playoff team this week playing the
first game against the Texans. So lo and behold, it
does work sometimes, right the head coach has he's a
head coach. You've got to have your vision, you got
to have the guy along the way. It feels as
if in this league there's a lot of offensive coordinators
that got let go. And I wonder if there's a
trend here because we've talked about you and I this year,

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like offenses are operating at a high level. You're trying
to keep up with the Joneses, and there's probably little
to no patience for offenses that aren't operating at that
high level.

Speaker 12 (49:30):
Yeah, the offensive coordinators are under much greater scrutiny than
defensive coordinators. If we were to, you know, I would
say a high percentage of a much higher percentage of
season ticket holders or radio listeners or whatever could name
the OCS and the DC on a given team, right,
And that's because the quarterback is such a big variable too,
So they really are the closest to the fire in

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terms of what people pay attention to. From the owner
to the fans, the media, we're all paying attention to
what they're doing on offense. Everybody has an opinion of
the quarterback, right what they're doing.

Speaker 11 (50:03):
No one's really sitting there.

Speaker 12 (50:05):
Not that many people are saying, guy, wish they had
a line their front seven a little differently, right. So
that's why those guys are under scrutiny, and that's why
everyone talks about it every week.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Mike, there is one guy's name's Hugh Millen. Will have
him on a noon today to talk about the front seven.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yeah, that's our hardcore football hour and that's why we
love you.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
We love you along the way.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Hell of an entertaining game for most of the game,
maybe two and a half, three three quarter, three plus
quarters yesterday for the NFC North. What was your read
on that? Because the Lions get the NFC North title,
I think the story for them is remarkable. I mean,
my goodness, it feels like the MVP should be the
training staff. They're on the field like every five minutes
and you have to keep winning.

Speaker 12 (50:48):
It's really great for them to get to buy I
think this game was in sort of an affirmation that
they were the best team, you know, this season, and
we wondered if they would waiver. But I think they've
done a good job of adapting. Here's the think about Detroit.
They cannot score you too. Like if they need to
be in a game where they have to score forty points,
they can do that as well as most teams. So

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I think this was a huge affirming win for them.
Now a break and two home games for the super Bowl,
they can manage that they can win two games to
get the Super Bowl. I think if they had to
go play this week and have to do it three
times on the road, I mean, that's just hard. I
think they might run out of gash. But this really
gives them a chance.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well, I think I think that was a huge one too,
with Seattle winning and then all of a sudden, so
the Rams are, you know, waiting right for the loser
of that game. And I don't think Detroit honestly would
want any part of going to Sofi and Matt Stafford
and Sean McVay and you said it like the home
field advantage matters, and you play the Ford Field and

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I've been there three times now. That place is crazy
loud like it is it is Kingdom back in the day, loud, Mike.
And especially when your defense is already beat up into deeds,
that's where they can actually help your defense. I think
it's a huge advantage. But yeah, and the week off
for guys that are dinged up, you know, maybe they
get a couple of guys if nothing else. I think

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as listen to watching Anzeloni talk afterwards, like it's like, yeah,
we need some guys, need some rest, and that's perfect. Meanwhile,
the Vikings we always there's always you know, storylines and
narratives after games and stuff like that. Do we learn
anything about the Vikings their offense Sam Donald yesterday?

Speaker 12 (52:25):
Well, you learn how fragile it is that you can
have this magnificent season and then if you have a
game like that and then go loose to the Rams.
I mean, it changes the whole feel of what happened,
doesn't it. And it changes the whole feel of wait,
what you know, what are we doing with Sam Donald?
Whereas if they had won that game, you'll win a
playoff game. You know, they have this tremendous just sense

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of belief and everything's going great. So they'll regroup and
they if they beat the Rams, I think, you know,
that's a huge step for them. But that was a
bad performance. I mean, really looked rough in the game,
never got it going. That looked like what people thought
Donald was going to be and that was the biggest
stage of the season. So if it happens again in

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the playoff game, I mean I think it makes it
a lot easier for them to sort of go with
JJ McCarthy next year, which is probably they probably wanted
to do.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Anyway, it Yeah, I didn't save money, right like, That's
that's the other part of the equation. There's you know,
salary cap league and what Donald's going to make. And
this is and I'm not I'm by no means by
being sarcastic or anything else here, but watching their goal
to goal offense yesterday Minnesota as we went through earlier.
If there's one indictment on Ryan Grubb, statistically you could

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look at they were twenty eighth in the league, and
goal to goal offense for the Seahawks, the fact that
they got inside the ten yard line, whether the first
those those first two times, specifically three times, toll right
and did nothing but throw the ball, couldn't score. And
that's that's a little bit scary going now on the
road for the playoffs.

Speaker 12 (53:58):
I think it is because did they get it exposed
a little bit line of scrimmage there, you know some
and then Donald too. I thought they had a couple
of layups. I mean one of them hit Justin Jefferson
in the hands. It was high they don't when he
just flat out airmailed them. So yeah, you know, it
could have been just their worst game, a bad game.
And I think this is a nice test for Kevin o'connall.

(54:20):
I think he's done a great job and I wouldn't
just diminish that now off of one game. So this
is a great chance for them to sort of regroup
and reality check. I think they'll play better, you know,
I think they'll they'll definitely play better. They're going to
get a long time here until the Monday night game,
and uh, you know they could they can beat the Rams.
We don't think the Rams are some amazing team.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
No, Well you mentioned the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
I think that was the key because you've got one
of the really one of the better red zone running
backs in the last you know, decade or so in
the NFL, and Aaron Jones, and he didn't touch them,
didn't touch the ball except for a screen pass one time.
Like it's just it's like, we're gonna we're gonna get
the ball. Jefferson to the ball Jefferson. Hell, I think
Addison only had one target. It was just a was
a weird sequence, right, they were.

Speaker 12 (55:00):
Off you know O'Connell was off too, because early on
going for fourth downs and not getting them, and then
late in the game when you probably need to go
for it down your gun shy and you're kicking field goals.
Wasn't it like they were just just combiblated? They were
off their game. I feel like they've really been on
their game the whole year, with O'Connell pushing the right
buttons and Donold doing well. This just felt like everybody

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short circuited.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Mike Sando joining us from the Athletic the Athletic dot Com.
The pick six column is up right now. If this
was college football, Mike, I believe the Cincinnati Bengals would
be an at large team, would they not?

Speaker 11 (55:36):
Yeah, that's right, that's right the Bengals. Uh, that's rough, right.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Like what happened there?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Because you've got a guy that could be I mean,
he won't be because the team didn't get to the playoffs,
but I mean Joe Burrow had an MVP caliber season
running back was good too when he was healthy.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
What happened is since.

Speaker 12 (55:54):
Nat Jamar changes, did he wat the triple crown of
most catches, you know, yards and touchdowns? Team might have
be he was at least at one point. And then
by the way, Trey Hendrickson's the defensive Player of the
Year candidate was seventeen and a half sacks. If you
had said before the year those things would happen. Burrow
would have his best season, you know, Chase maybe his
best season, Hendrickson defensive player of the Year, and they

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would miss. You say, what the heck's going wrong? So
you know, defensively they were not as good. And that
was from a personnel standpoint. I think they've definitely missed.
They've missed a couple of key players the last two
years and Jesse Bates and DJ Reeder and you know,
their decordinator paid the price. But I think it was
a talent thing too. What they're saying with their move

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is we need a coordinator on defense who can make
the most of our lesser talent. And so if there's one,
you know, you know, one thing about Loui an Arumo,
who they fired, is maybe a little bit more complicated
in the secondary, you know, and are they going to
have to find a different way. It looks like he's
a scapegoat to me. And so the other thing is

(56:58):
Joe Burrow kind of saying twice last week, Hey, you
can't wait to resign your guys now, you know, with
Chase and t Higgins coming up. So that's what I
That's why I did a little note in my columns saying,
you know, Carson Palmer made it ninety nine games and
was done, like it just wore them out, you know.
With the Bengals and Burrow's seventy six games in and

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he's starting to complain a little bit. Now they've been
to a super Bowl and they've been to the playoffs
probably more, but he's been banged up. You know, if
they were to lose Higgins, offense falls off. They're making
a coaching change, the defense doesn't get it back.

Speaker 11 (57:35):
You know, it can be tenuous.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Well, and you know they replaced mix in, but Brown
was good, like he's fine and healthy time, you know,
but because I'm sure that probably didn't sit well initially
with Burrow along the way. By the way, yeah, Jamar Chase.
Number one receptions one twenty seven, number one in yards
seventeen oh eight, number one in touchdowns at seventeen, number
one in targets at one seventy five. Yeah, triple crown

(58:01):
and then some for for Jamar Chase. All right, before
I let you go, Mike, uh, just give me one
game this weekend that you are really really looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Wildcar Weekend is always a ton of fun in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
It's awesome. I love the fact they play a Monday
game too. That's that's I think that's just awesome. You know,
we get to the Monday too. That's that's kind of
a weird thing. I mean, how long have they done that?

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Three years? I think it might started with a seventeen
game schedule, but yeah, I love it.

Speaker 12 (58:25):
Yeah, so I really like that one. So let me
look at these here, I would say, you know, I'm interesting.
This is interesting. So the Steelers have been really bad
Steelers Ravens really interests me. I mean, locally, we've got
the Russell Wilson angle. Everyone's kind of watching him, and
he has been bad lately and really melted down to
where like even like Scott Dan Pelts and Ryan Clark

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and those guys were killing him, you know, and they
were really killing them. So I think that's interesting though,
because those in division games like the Steelers, as bad
as they've been lately, they're not afraid of the Ravens.
They know they can beat them. They shut down them before.
So now we get Lamar in a playoff spot, which
has been his He had a good game last year,
then a bad one, like you know, did even did

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the Ravens. They won thirty five to ten, but it
felt a little nerve wracking early to me, it just
felt like they weren't. You just realized that, like all
of this great MVP and this like the pressure suddenly on.
So I think that's a really big spot where if
if the Steelers go.

Speaker 11 (59:27):
Quietly, what do they do at quarterback?

Speaker 12 (59:29):
Yep, they were all excited about Russ, So there they
have a lot of mistake. They haven't won a playoff game.
A month ago, everyone's all over Tomlin about how great
he is, and now it's the fatigue of not having
a team that can win in the playoffs again. On
the other side, Lamar's legacy and all this. I think
there's a lot in that game.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
There's a lot on.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
The line, and Russ has legacy too, you know, yeah,
at least in his mind. And so yeah, there's that
Game's that game is a ton I think Packers if healthy,
although it sounds like the is out right, So they're
not they're not healthy. But Packers Eagles is fun. Yeah,
there's gonna be an upset. There will be along one.

Speaker 12 (01:00:07):
So Packers Eagles is really interesting because Nick SIRIONI, all
he does is win seventy percent of his games, but
every time they lose, it's a crisis. So if you
know what I mean, Like if they people think Philadelphia
two weeks ago, people are like, yeah, if they lose
in the playoffs, I could see them changing coaches. And
you're like, you'd fire a coach who wins seventy percent
of his games, But that's how it is there. So

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and then I think Matt Lafleur is a little bit
on the rocks here.

Speaker 11 (01:00:31):
The last couple of weeks.

Speaker 12 (01:00:32):
I mean, that was a bad game against Chicago, gets
his quarterback hurt, the receiver's hurt. He admitted he screwed
up a game management thing. They kind of got pants
on special teams with a trick return, you know, like
a bad game and a big spot here, and you
were already frustratingly the third best team in your division. Yeah,
you know, I think that's that's a place that obviously
nothing's going to change. They're happy with their trajectory, but

(01:00:55):
kind of a sour potent. There's gonna be a real
sour feeling for whoever loses that game on their season,
Whereas I think like some of these head teams, Washington,
it's not a sour ending if they lose No, right,
you know, No Denver, it's not a sour ending if
Denver loses, right. But you can see Green Bay Philly
going maybe either way. I think the Eagles will probably
take it to them, but we'll see that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
The packers of the punt return that they got. I
love the turn pants that they got pants on. I
thought of that were you and I don't know if
you were, you might have been. I think you were
ESPN back then. I was one of the first game
I covered in Saint Louis and the Rams did that
to the Seahawks.

Speaker 12 (01:01:32):
To John Ryan, Yes, yeah, because Jeff Fisher Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Or Jeff Fisher Rams. No, Jeff Fisher Rams. Yeah, yeah,
we're not. We're not seven to nine. That was Jeff
Fisher Rams. And I remember We're sitting in that dark
Dungey Dome stadium and Ryan kicked Ryan kicked it. We
were all fooled in the press box like it was
like what what what just happened?

Speaker 12 (01:01:53):
It's great, Yeah, yeah, Fish, All these coaches love and
fear embarrassed.

Speaker 11 (01:02:00):
They love to embarrass someone. They fear being embarrassed.

Speaker 12 (01:02:02):
That's why they all turned to their play before the
other guy, you know, because if you get it, it's
just like it's like you got dunked on in your
in your in your driveway and the neighbors were all looking,
you know, and yeah, yeah, I love that aspect.

Speaker 11 (01:02:13):
Of the coaching.

Speaker 12 (01:02:13):
Fisher used to do this one too, where uh he
would have a guy there was a rule like if
you if you were in the offensive huddle or you
had to be in the huddle and then you couldn't
leave the field. But he would have a guy look
like he was leaving the field, and the guy would
go stand right by the side of them, but he
would be an eligible receiver. He would do a fake
field goal. They did that on the forty nine ers.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
I believe that.

Speaker 11 (01:02:34):
I think the Fisher Rams did. It was awesome, totally
tricky stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:02:38):
It's like, you know, we're not good of a team,
so we need to come up with some wild stuff.

Speaker 11 (01:02:43):
That was yep, that was them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
That was it. I'll know. I get.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
We have John Ryan on tomorrow and as weekly vis
off to ask him about that. I remember, like how
because I think we were all looking at the guy
the punt return of those on the near side necks
of the press box in Saint Louis, and the guy's
like looking like he's gonna catch it, and then all
of a sudden you hear the crowd on the other side,
like literally on the one side of the state, and
the crowd's going crazy because he's the other guy that
caught was on the other side, and he's like going,
I'm like, what the hell.

Speaker 12 (01:03:07):
Just as like people, no one knows where the ball
is going, including the guys on the field on the
game of the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Well, because you can do it with a punt because
the guy's just running down the watching the punt reser
guy right there and he's, oh, he's gonna catch it.
So everyone just angles off to that way. The other
guy just does a dummy. It's almost like a baseball
dummy play at second base. So gray stuff go check
it out. The Athletic The Athletic dot Com Mike Sandels got,
as we could call him, the pick six up every Monday.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Go check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
We'll talk to you next Monday, after week one of
wild card weekend, and who knows what's going to happen
in the next five or six days too round the
National Football League after the end of the regular season.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Mike, thank you so much.

Speaker 12 (01:03:40):
Yeah, we'll talk next week. We still won't know if
the Rams won.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
That's right, we want it again. We'll bring you in again.
Thanks Mike. Mike Sando joining us here this afternoon, or
actually I guess it's this morning. It's this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
Still, yes, welcome to this morning at eleven twenty two.
All right, we still get to Gino at some point today. Well,
I want to do this. We're gonna get area. We
just tells me. We may have some listener feedback.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
We do, We do have quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
We will do that coming up next.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
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Speaker 13 (01:04:26):
Hey ho Thomas here from the Beacon Hill neighborhood of
Seattle Sounders and Seahawks season ticket holder. Regarding our offensive
coordinator being let go after just one year. I thought
the team was headed in the right direction. Sure there
question marks, lots of things to fix, offensive line top
among them, but now too soon.

Speaker 11 (01:04:48):
To pull the plug. We need consistency, thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:04:51):
Grub had to go. The play action stuff, the short
yarded stuff, the red zone stuff, it was all a
jumbled mess. None of the play action stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
Mates sense.

Speaker 14 (01:05:01):
They ran play action out of gun, but not from
under center. It was just a complete mess. He had
to go. And they have to find someone that lines
up with McDonald's vision for this offense, and they just
have to run the ball better. There has to be
a plan, and there was on one.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
More to get to welcome back in love to talk
see ask and you shall receive.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Huh, Ask and you shall receive.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Yeah, if you ask for Grub being fired and you
shall receive.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
Well, or I just that's all I want.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
This I want We're gonna get the bigger picture Seahawks stuffs.
As the officer, I always chuckle, I'll see guys in
the media and you know, I can't spend the whole
offseason talking about what they're going to do in the
off season.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Yeah, you do, that's what you do. That's the NFL's
twenty four seven sixty five.

Speaker 11 (01:05:44):
That's what you do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
If you don't like it, then go find something else
to do, because that's what we do. All right, Let's
get to a couple more four, nine, four, five, one.
We'll get to those in the second. Let's get to
go more voice.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
How many we have? Just six? Is that right?

Speaker 11 (01:05:54):
All right?

Speaker 15 (01:05:55):
Let's get a couple more in I E And I
think this was a really bad move because if you're
a gentleman hasn't selected well at all on the offensive line,
and if your general manager hasn't selected a quality backup
or a good quarterback in some time in many years,

(01:06:16):
you're gonna fail no matter who you put there as
offensive coordinator as we see. And I think Gino needs
to own up to some of this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
He got him fired.

Speaker 16 (01:06:25):
Quite frankly, being a Husky fan when he did not
follow the border Alabama and the Seahawks got him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
I was like, let's do.

Speaker 16 (01:06:32):
This, Brude is hell?

Speaker 12 (01:06:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:06:36):
Ten and seven got people incentives, questionable stuff during the season.
I know he came from college, Let's give him an opportunity.
Why is he getting the Janet Jackson treatment?

Speaker 11 (01:06:49):
What have you done for me lately.

Speaker 9 (01:06:51):
Not cool Hawks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
All right, we'll get to the other two in a second.
We'll get to the textatile line right now. Four nine
four five one of the Tulembroth text line.

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
Game time time.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Four to five, fire the Seahawks. I'm disgusted with the
firing of drum uh three to six. Oh, Gino Smith
played like he could make four to If Gino Smith
played like he could make four to six million dollars every.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Game, Seahaws would have made the playoffs. Guys, don't put
stock in yesterday's game, please.

Speaker 10 (01:07:21):
Well no, that's what they're saying is if you could
play like he can make four to six million, like
he needed to in that game, then he couldn't made
the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, I just I so hated everything about yesterday.

Speaker 5 (01:07:36):
Yeah, I didn't even watch. Is that weird?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
I mean I did because I kind of felt like
I had to know the grub stuff was gonna come down.
But it was worth it was a worthless watch. Yeah,
I mean I was disappointed the defense, To be honest
with you, really, the defense plays like garbage yesterday. Well
they Garoppolo throws an incompletion on fourth down that you
shouldn't that he probably completes eight times out of ten,
and its first and goal.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
They win that game. They win that game.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
They're gonna win that game, Mike, like they they didn't
play well now, losing a couple of corners Brown well,
and what have I get that Joe got hurt? I
mean it's it's but was our going in? But I
don't know, I just didn't. I didn't like the defense
yesterday at all. Yeah, I thought they were just they
they had a bunch of practice squad wide receivers running

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around on them. They had their one, two, third, and
four string running backs and they're running on them a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
I don't know. I just didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yesterda hard to play that game, though, you know, hard
to really. Gino is the only guy playing for anything.
You had a great point this morning. If you you know,
if you play really well as a Seahawk player, well
you're playing against backups, you don't get a lot of
credit for it. And if you don't play well, you
got a lot to lose. It's just it's hard, okay,
more Tex four nine four or five one H two
O six not the right move. Should have given Grub
a second year. Too swift of a move in my opinion.

(01:08:51):
Uh three to six, Oh, yes, I agree. I wish
you know would have joined him four two five No,
not the right move. Now we start over again. Reminds
me of Jeremy Bates. Well, I'll remind you Jeremy Bates
let go after the twenty ten season because of wait
for it, philosophical difference is with the head coach. And
they went in and brought in an offensive coordinator that

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went to and won a Super Bowl with them and
probably would have won. And if he would have won
the second Super Bowl, mister Bebell probably would have been
retained for a lot longer too, right, I.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
Might still be here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Let's see, it was Grubbert Gino. His offense is chunks,
not checked down, says A four.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
To two five.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
This is an interesting one two five three. Ask people
who think Grubb shouldn't have been fired one question. Are
you also a Husky fan? It will be nine nine
percent yes, probably. Well, Grub's just a different It's just
different because he is he was a Husky. Yeah, right,
so there's just a different And it wasn't like he
was any old Husky coordinator. They got his coordinator in
the best offense in.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
The country for two years. Yeah, right, so it's a
little bit different.

Speaker 7 (01:09:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Two three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I think grub and McDonald just weren't on the same
page and thought things completely different.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
But like nationals that kept out of the public, Well,
he sort of kept out of the public. Wait till
Corbyn' story comes out later. See how that looks.

Speaker 10 (01:10:05):
Well, and you get to tell a couple of press
conferences with McDonald and he was like biting his lip
trying not to say anything when he was asked about
the offense.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
So I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:10:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Four five.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
I think he should have gotten another year. He unlocked JSN.
He did was at the expensive DK.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
Yes, should be able to on both.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
You could have more than one good wide receiver, more
than one player.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Weird, Yeah, just crazy. I know it's strange.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Two five three, I'm not gonna lie. This surprises me.
I didn't always like his play. Clim was excited to
see what happens next season with a season under his belt.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
I kind of go with that too.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I think I like that text a lot, But I
didn't know. None of us knew what was going on
behind the scenes, and if there were true philosophical differences.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
Then that's what you do, right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yeah, Eric says, I think we needed another year unless
we're dropping Gino. Didn't get a good look at what
he could do with that bad offensive line. Yeah, I mean,
what did Lucas end up playing? Like six games? Didn't
play yesterday? He played six games. Probably never healthy. I
think if I was starting the conversation with Curtsey the
other day, if you listen to Coseell closely, Yeah, I

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have to listen to closer because he's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
Been kind of saying it. Yeah, like Charles Cross has
regressed a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:11:20):
Yes, yes, PFF likes him, but that doesn't mean the
Eye Test likes him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
No, And that's not what the film says.

Speaker 10 (01:11:28):
I was gonna say, that's not Yeah. Greg Cosot does
not tell us what PFF says. He tells us what
Ian No.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
It's listen, I'm telling you. The only thing he can
tell you is what he sees on the tape.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
That's all he can tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
So I like it, Uh huh. He's an extremely objective person.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Two o six, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
This was a bad move. We're gonna have to start
all over again. On offense, grubbed it well enough to
deserve another year, especially after listening to mill In. The
offense needs time to gel. It's not grubs fault Gino
through the picks.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Like he did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
By the way, Hugh Millan coming up in twenty three
minutes time two five three makes me sad. Would have
given him another year for sure. Now if the offense sucks,
I'm blaming the head coach and Schneider. They are on
the clock. We have so many texts I can't get tomorrow.
I think one of the things that that is key
here is you know, and I think Schneider McDonald did

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is like his his state radio show this morning, the
state radio, hard questions are asked, but you know, kind
of it's philosophical difference is Mike McDonald speaks tomorrow at
one o'clock and we will carry that for you live,
and that'll be interesting because that's when the actual media
gets to interview him and talk to him and ask
questions and we'll see what's We'll see what comes out

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of that. Two six I agree with percent. I'll save
that one for can you clear.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
Can you click in and see any of the past texts.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Probably.

Speaker 10 (01:12:51):
The show himself and not my number, not my number with.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
One hundred percent. I do love the fact that things
aren't going well to says will make a move. I
do love that. Let's see, how can.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
You say the Kraken doesn't screw around when you still
have Maddy andre As players on the team and Biles
was still coaching. They they're paying two head coaches right now.
They fired Dave hacks All before his extension his first year,
so Biles is he hasn't even got to the halfway
mark of the first year. Tonight's game forty one eighty two. Maddy,
they resigned in the offseason, and Berrek Burakowski, I'll just

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I'll pass for now, be interested with.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
My other job.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Maybe they should fire the defensive coach if what you
say is true. The defense was not good yesterday, and
they're not gonna fire the head coach. Defense wasn't good yesterday.
I didn't think, yes, it matter, that's yesterday mattered not
at all. No, that and that's why I this is
my whole show today. It was gonna be like I
could give a rats you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
What about about ten wins?

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah, I don't care about two wins if it's me,
but it did make my point. But what but what
this season did is it made my point when they
did fire Pete and they hired McDonald And we've been
in this season and I argue with other guys that
they are not rebuilding. God, when will people realize that?
You know, I know, like like there's guys out there

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that cover the team. We don't not on our air
but other places, you know, the rebuild house to start
this thing like they're not doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:20):
And what about the present? It's all about the present.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
They were not good enough to get to the playoffs,
but they were the best. They're the tallest short person today.
They have the eighteenth pick in the draft. It's the
worst possible position to be in. But because you're the
you're the last, you're the first team out. If if
if we're doing our n CUAA March madness, here's the thing,
they're the first team out, you know, last four in,

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last four out, then the first of the last four out.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
The problem is they didn't have a quad one win
this year. Okay, they just didn't. They did not have
a quad win win. They did not have a quad
one win. Let's see. We got a magus.

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I'll try to get some more text later. Min We'll
see if you can. Uh, let's just take a quick break.
We got daily power play. We'll get some other texts.
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Philip Grubauer gets to start again for Seattle, is fifth straight.
Joey de coord is on the injured list. It's retroactive,
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ir he can't come back for another week and a
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guys out tonight. Devil's here. They have never failed to
earn at least a point when taking on the Krack
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Speaker 3 (01:17:59):
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Speaker 10 (01:18:08):
Correct answer, sir, in a row's Hopefully it's not a
good right game for them and the Kraken.

Speaker 5 (01:18:12):
Maybe you've caught a really good team at the right time.

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And the Kraken hit the road after tonight. They'll be
in Columbus for a road trips starting on a Thursday.
That's your daily power play. About you buy is Let's
get back into some sea conversation before humil and joins
us at the top of the hour for little hardcore football.
We got a couple more voice texts. We want to
get to right now, Anders do we not? Yes, we do,
fire away.

Speaker 17 (01:18:33):
Hey, Casey and Kenmore. It's unfortunate, Ryan Grebs let go,
but it's inevitable. It's the NFL. Nothing's permanent. And I
think he's being escapegoat being honest with you, he's the
offensive line was awful. There's a big reason why they
couldn't run the ball. So why would you call it
running play when you know it's not going to work?

Speaker 14 (01:18:56):
Good luck to him, So.

Speaker 15 (01:18:58):
Ian, do you think that Atlantic Falcons is gonna find
a spot like a quarterback post for Ryan Grubb. I
mean the Latin Falcons are hot, they just need a defense.

Speaker 13 (01:19:12):
And uh yeah, I.

Speaker 15 (01:19:14):
Think grub with Panis means super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
What do we think Zach Robinson, by the way, is
the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 5 (01:19:25):
He's pretty well regarded.

Speaker 11 (01:19:27):
I think, yeah, yeah, he Yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
Also a first year guy, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
They yeah, yeah, because he was hard last January. Right,
I don't I don't know if they're gonna make that change. Uh,
Panis was interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I watched was Red.

Speaker 10 (01:19:47):
All right, good thoughts thoughts from Ian there, but uh
yeah we did.

Speaker 7 (01:19:52):
Oh okay, I was adding another talkback and igo, what happened?

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
You know in three seconds feels like an hour.

Speaker 10 (01:19:58):
But I think he's gonna talk about Penis game yesterday
and there was some ups and downs and ended up
losing a game they probably should have won. And they
needed to win that game to go to the playoffs.
So in a similar situation the Seahawks, except it went
down to the final week.

Speaker 7 (01:20:11):
But yeah, yeah, they actually had a shot in week eighteen.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
Yeah it did well.

Speaker 7 (01:20:16):
You know, I gotta give Penix a lot of credit
because he was thrust into action after being you know bench,
well after backing up I should say, Kirk Cousins the
entire season. Then they throw him in and they still
had a shot at the playoffs. That's a ton of
pressure as a rookie quarterback who hadn't been taking the
first team reps the entire seon And.

Speaker 5 (01:20:31):
We saw it happened with bo Nicks this year too.

Speaker 10 (01:20:33):
Like his first couple of games, he looked like he
barely knew how to play quarterback the position at all,
So being able to kind of learn your way through
the first year is huge. I still think it was
a good situation for him to learn from Kirk Cousins
in the first couple of games. But yes, we'll see
what ends up happening.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:20:48):
Maybe there could be a spot for Ryan Grabb to
pop in there. We all know he has had success
with him. That's one of the reasons why I thought
it would be good here in Seattle though, is because
it seemed like Gino and Michael Penix. While the age difference,
it seems like a lot of similar skill sets there
and I thought that would be a good marriage. And
well here for you know Smith, Oh he's back he's back.
What's going on?

Speaker 11 (01:21:05):
I don't know who?

Speaker 4 (01:21:07):
Yeah, who knows? But yeah, we.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Were just saying tracking game day if you guys know
what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:21:11):
So, oh yeah, but we are off their radar right now,
so we should be Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Did we play the last voice text we already had done?

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
Yeah we did.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Okay, let's do this. Let's take a break, let's come back.
Let's check in with one Hu Millin. We've got hardcore
football coming up.

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have missed the news. Ryan Grubb out after one year
offensive coordinated the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
More on that, Hu.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Millon is standing by for that. Seahawks dude win yesterday
over the Rams thirty twenty five, ten and seven the
final record, but they missed the playoffs. Black Monday around
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who was here as the old line coach last year
under Pete Carroll, was fired by the Browns. Raiders wiped
out most of their offensive staff as well. Today, one
and done for Patriots head coach Drod Meyo. Yesterday he
was four and thirteen and won his last game, which
screwed him out of the first overall draft pick.

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That's always kind of a hard one, isn't it.

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Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
All right, here we go it it's time to check
you with you mill in an hour earlier than normal.
If you're just joining us, it's noon. Usually we're starting
our show at noon. We flip flopped today. Greg Bell
for the News Tribune normally on ten to twelve is
over at Seahawk Head Cords. It's locker cleanout day. He
just got back from La so we had already made
the call to switch shows in time slots today. So

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Greg's on at one o'clock today. He'll have all the
news from the locker room starting at one o'clock this afternoon.
So I'm on ten to one today. Hugh won an
hour earlier, so I appreciate him moving around as well.
Hardcore football and it's interesting, Hugh, I was thinking I
was thinking yesterday as I'm watching that game, the kind
of meaningless eighteenth or seventeenth game of the year in
week eighteen. Okay, I'm watching up backups for the Rams.

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I'm watching the Seahawks go through and get a win
that meant nothing one way or the other. What are
we going to break down hardcore football? I figure we
talked bigger picture and maybe if you're kind enough to
do so, we can do bigger picture next week. Because
you know what, I can never I can never have
enough of you on the air, my friend. You know
that's too kind, but because I think today the focus
is on offense and specifically on Ryan Grubb. I know

(01:24:22):
you were on earlier today, but for those of us
that might have been in either physical therapy like me,
or other things going on at that time, I think
you guys got the news kind of live on the
air right right when Holmand started at nine o'clock.

Speaker 11 (01:24:35):
We did, indeed.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Know it's always interesting doing this job, and you've been
in this business doing what you do with us at
KJR for what two plus decades now, something twenty five,
I think.

Speaker 11 (01:24:46):
It's like twenty six or something.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
But yeah, it's always I find it interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
I don't know about you, when you get big news
and your initial reaction and then you have time to
kind of percolate, merit it on it and think about
it again. Sometimes things change, sometimes they don't. Then you
think of other things along the way. So here we are,
three hours after we got the news that Ryan Grub
is out. I'll just leave it for you. Your reaction, well,

(01:25:12):
I was surprised. I would not say shocked.

Speaker 18 (01:25:15):
I mean Softie and I have been talking off air
for at least a couple few weeks, like, hey, do
you think.

Speaker 11 (01:25:21):
Grubb will survive?

Speaker 18 (01:25:22):
You know, And one of the questions I had wondered,
are we sure Grub wants the job? And you know,
you hear stories about, you know, both McDonald and Grub
being in a bar on the road, but you know
one's on one end of the bar and one's on
the other. You know, I don't know those to be true,

(01:25:45):
so I'm not reporting it, but you know, you know
you kind of think, well, there's a possibility here.

Speaker 11 (01:25:50):
I had thought the prudent course would.

Speaker 18 (01:25:53):
Be to to just you know, stick with it, because
I think offense is harder for it to take hold,
and uh, so now you're starting over, you know, and
and to that thought, you might find this interesting.

Speaker 11 (01:26:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 18 (01:26:08):
Uh, you got a kid playing college ball. I got
a kid home from uh you know. Here's here's a
from a QB test for the Florida Gators for a
bowl game. Okay, this is one play. It says, give
the protection and the explanation of how we read ready brown, duel, right,
zequak jab arkansas, baja, daffy burst.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
Okay.

Speaker 11 (01:26:31):
So ever, now that's just college.

Speaker 18 (01:26:35):
And and every single one of those terms has meaning.
And as John always said to me when I was
with the Broncos and we were in the same quarterback room,
he says, you know, you don't want to be thinking
out there, you just want to be reacting. Well, it
takes repetitions, it takes time. And so I think that

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the risk of waking the offensive course co ordinator is
now you just take everything, all the grease boards in
the offense room. They are wiped clean. It's a blank slate.
And so now all these guys got.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
To go in.

Speaker 18 (01:27:10):
And you know, if there had been an argument for continuity,
it would be uh, you know, to Lway's point. Okay,
now we can come into uh to mini camp. Everybody
kind of knows the system, that the terminology has been embedded.
Now we can go and now if we ran four

(01:27:31):
four five at the combine, guess what on the field
we look like we ran four four five because oftentimes
the four four five guy looks like he's running a
four to six when he's thinking and he's processing new stuff.
So I do think there's a little risk there. That
would be my thought, and I would probably uh.

Speaker 11 (01:27:52):
You know echo.

Speaker 18 (01:27:52):
Mike Homgrin was unequivocal about his thoughts this morning. You
mentioned Mike, he said, uh, numerous times. He said, this
just doesn't make sense to me. And so in any event,
that's that's the direction that they plotted. Eager to see
how it goes. But I do think there's some risk
involved in the manner that I described.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
It is true we talked about our two kids. Your
son was a quarterback at the V divisional level. My
son was an offense alignment at a smaller college level.
But I think the similarities in this are in this sense.
I talked to Keith a lot about it over the
break because they had a first year offensive coordinator this
year and coming off of a league championship and a
top ten ranking and everything they had going on, and

(01:28:31):
they had to replace a guy middle of the off
season after spring ball, and it was a massive challenge,
Like it was a massive at that level, it was
a massive challenge. And I don't know under I think
people you're right, offense does take more.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
And I think.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
There's also an art that I've learned just from talking
to him and from you and others over the years.
It's an art to play calling, you know, in the
feel for a game. But I'll bring that up to this.
If the coach, the head coach, and the play caller
offensivecording are on the same page, then you're almost obligated
to make a change, aren't you.

Speaker 18 (01:29:07):
Uh for sure, But I would think this would have
been discussed prior to the hiring. And I also think,
you know, this is not the first time we've had
a head coach who seems to lament to the media
the direction of the offense. And I just scratched my head.
I'm like, dude, you everything runs through your headset. You

(01:29:28):
can make it clear. You can go in. You don't
have to wait until Monday in the tape. You can
right there on the headset in between series just say look,
I'm not going to tell you which plays to run,
but this is the direction I want you going right.
As a general rule, hey let's let's let's try and

(01:29:49):
pound them a little. This is how it sounds like
on the sideline, I've said, you know, you know, stood
right next to these play callers.

Speaker 11 (01:29:55):
And as this communicated.

Speaker 18 (01:29:56):
Some of the times it is with a defensive head
coach and they I leave the offensive guy alone. But
if they feel like philosophically there's an inconsistency and incompatibility,
then it's the head coach's job to vocalize that. And
it doesn't have to be a yelling session. It's just
clear communication. And then if the offensive coordinator doesn't fall suit,

(01:30:19):
that's in subordination and that would be grounds for a fine.
I don't know, I don't I don't generally think that
that's you know, occurring, but certainly behind closed doors, if
Grubb is saying, hey, I don't really think that's the
best way to to h to.

Speaker 11 (01:30:34):
Move the football and score points.

Speaker 18 (01:30:36):
Then then then you're left with what we goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
Today, Hugh mill enjoining is hardcore football. We spent every
all seventeen weeks of the season, including a bye week
and now week eighteen Hugh talking about the offensive coordinator
and the well, just the offense as a whole and
kind of the ups and downs they had this year.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
What did you see this season?

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Because I went through some of the stats earlier, and
I'm I'm not talking deep stats you. I'm talking about
the most you know, points per game, rushing yards per game,
passing yards per game, total, uh, you know, offense per game,
red zone offense, goal to goal offense, third down offense.
There is some slight improvement in some of those, there's
some regression in the most significant regression was in goal

(01:31:20):
to goal offense. But when you're watching and breaking down
the tapes at and I give people not at five
in the morning, when you get when you take.

Speaker 11 (01:31:30):
In the morning, bro, I've already been up for an
hour time, yea.

Speaker 3 (01:31:32):
Four in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Exactly when you're doing that, when you're looking at the
L twenty two and you're breaking that tape down and
you think back to last year, did you see a
better offense? And in what regards? Did you say a
worse offense in what regards? What if you're just comparing
twenty three to twenty four, what did humullins, I see.

Speaker 11 (01:31:51):
That's a good question.

Speaker 18 (01:31:52):
I don't think there's an appreciable improvement, nor of an
appreciable decline. I mean, I think I was on the
the serious exam NFL. They called NaSTA get a seaac recap.
You know. One of the hosts was Rich Cannon and Bruce.

(01:32:12):
But anyways, he asked, well, if you were the GM
for the Sea Hawks, what would you do? And I said, well,
the interior of the offensive line is the biggest problem
with the team, the guards in the center. And we
know I don't have the quote in front of me
I did last Friday, but the Schnyder essentially, I'll paraphrase

(01:32:33):
for it.

Speaker 11 (01:32:33):
He said, Look, I think that that offensive guards.

Speaker 18 (01:32:36):
Are overdrafted and overpaid, and I think that, you know,
I don't know if there's going to be a guard
at that realm, but I don't think it would be unreasonable.
You think of Steve Hutchinson, the impact he had at
pick number seventeen, which is right where does Seattle. I
guess it has been determined. I know they're gonna be
right around that. Okay, So if there was a guard,

(01:33:00):
I would not be adverse to doing that. Or if
you're at eighteen and you say, hey, we like this guard,
let's trade down to twenty five or something like that.
I just think they need to get better in the
middle of the field. And if there's a tone setter
like Hutchinson that is that is the most crippling part
of the team.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Now let me stop you right there. Let me stop
you right now.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
I'm gonna expand on that a second, but let me
ask it. I'm gonna go back to one week ago today,
and we talked about it after you came on a
week ago today. Because I've been you and I Hawk
talked about this on and off the air, and you've
talked about with Softy a bunch as well. I know
we've gone down this road. One week ago you said
the biggest issue this team has had and why did
they make the playoffs was John Schneider. So I'm gonna
ask you this question point point do you trust John

(01:33:43):
Schneider and his scouting staff at eighteen to pick the
right interior offensivelignment because the track record says no.

Speaker 18 (01:33:50):
Well, when you think of offensive line, no, I mean
it's interesting. I think in Schnyder, think of in twenty ten.
Let's just get a quick synopsis of John Schneyder. He
comes in twenty ten, twenty twelve. They drafted in that
three year period eight Pro Bowl players and in the

(01:34:13):
entire duration of in that time, or even if you
go back to when the here's what it was, you
go back to when the draft turned to seven rounds,
which was nineteen ninety four, that was the second highest
only San Diego in the mid two thousands when they
had Ladanian Thomlinson. In that run, the only team that

(01:34:36):
ever had more than eight Pro bowlers drafted in a
three year period was that team. Now there's a couple
others that tied, a couple other teams, but that was
a prodigious period. Earl Thomas seven Pro Bowls, Cam Chancer four,
Richard Sherman five Pro Bowls, Bobby Wagner nine, Russell Wilson nine.
There's an asters there because a lot of times he
was an ultimate kJ Wright won, Russell Lokoum. And so

(01:35:00):
so they built the back seven through their draft brilliant,
and then the acquisition. Everything that they tried hit Chris Clemens, Bingo,
Michael Bennett, Cliff Averril, Alan Branch, Tony McDaniel. They built
their whole defensive line through free agent and minor trades,

(01:35:21):
and then Red Bryant they moved him in the position,
so the whole defensive line was with veterans. They built
the back seven with the draft, and they became in
the Legion of Boom, the first and only team in
the history of the NFL to lead the league four
straight years fewest points allowed.

Speaker 11 (01:35:40):
That was a hell of a deal.

Speaker 18 (01:35:41):
So now Snyder has had fifteen drafts in the first
seven years, a period of time where they had nine
playoff wins. Remember that number nine, they got ten Pro
Bowl players with a total of forty two Pro Bowls
in the next eight years. Remember the other was seven.
And the next eight years they have one playoff win

(01:36:03):
instead of nine, five Pro Bowl players instead of ten,
and the total number of play Pro Bowls is six
versus forty two. And now, specifically, with regards to the
weakness offensive line, twenty five offensive lineman drafted in that period.
That's the third most, but yet at the top of
the league in terms of the draft capital. When you

(01:36:24):
start going through the modified Jimmy Johnson KRT, the so
called Fitzgerald's Schuberger or whatever I'm charged. Okay, so the
problem these guys are have been better on the defensive
side of the ball. Offensively, really across the board, not
nearly as good. And you know, you think of the

(01:36:45):
Robert Galleries and I mean, name me one good free
agent acquisition in fifteen freaking years on the offensive.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
You can't or just.

Speaker 18 (01:36:56):
Even on the offense, I mean, uh, you had oh gosh,
it was the tight end that they had. I mean
they you've had some moderate impact guys, yeah, Zach Miller, Yeah,
you have moderate impact guys. But nobody were you thinking
fifteen years ago. Damn they got like they had two
or three or four Pro Bowls out of that guy

(01:37:16):
in the in the I mean, look, the Chiefs overhauled
their offensive line in one year they had they had.

Speaker 11 (01:37:24):
The Chiefs lose the Super.

Speaker 18 (01:37:25):
Bowl to the Buccaneers thirty eight to nine, and Mahomes
is running for his life looking like some kind of
freaking semi pro quarterback, which tells you that the link
to the performance of the quarterback with the protection and
in that I mean I had to google it like
three or four times. I didn't believe it, but next

(01:37:47):
gen had him of all the scrambling he did was
like four hundred and fifty yards of scrambling one guy games,
you know, uh uh, sideways and backwards and running around.
I didn't believe it. I'm I almost still don't believe.
The point is he was running for his life, looking
like crap. They overhauled that. They get left guard, was
it Tony or something from the Patriots. They spent big money.

(01:38:09):
They got They drafted Creed Humphrey in the in the
second round. In the center they got they hit big
sixth rounder.

Speaker 11 (01:38:16):
Uh uh.

Speaker 18 (01:38:18):
And then they've had continuity. They're on their fourth straight
year with the same offensive line. They get a sixth
rounder from the right guard, and and and and then
they only shuffled around one piece. So the Packers are
all homegrown in their offensive line. When the Seahawks played
the Packers the other week, it was remarkable to be
how much better the Packer offensive line was than the

(01:38:39):
offensive line. And the Packer offensive line was entirely homegrown.
None of them were first rounders, and and you just go, damn,
there's teams that are doing this. Look at the the
off season, the Vikings had how many everybody they hit,
particularly on the defensive side of the ball, the impact players.

(01:39:00):
And so when you asked me a week ago, John,
you know what's the biggest reason John Snyder had a
really poor offseason?

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
And it's on.

Speaker 11 (01:39:07):
Top of of.

Speaker 18 (01:39:09):
Of of this repeated missus on assembling an offensive line.
And it's like an anchor to the team. And I
don't mean anchor in a good way, like the fourth
guy who grabs the baton in the Olympics in the red.
I mean anchor, like, well, you know the thing, the
type that sinks boats, that kind of anchor.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
So so, ed do you do you believe like when
they sit there at eighteen and we're going through and
we're doing our draft coverage, you and we're sitting out
there to the Virginia Mason Athletics Center on that Thursday night
and they're drafted at eighteen, and there's and by that time,
between your film study and all my all my you know,
conversations with Great Cosell leading up to the draft, all

(01:39:49):
my conversations with Palozolo and Rang and everybody else, and
there's like probably say four or five guys consensus amongst
all of you that are like they great out there
that that would be a guy you would take, and
that would be like, that would be a perfect guy
at eighteen to take as an offensive guard or center.
But let's just say guard, and it would be like,

(01:40:10):
you know, maybe he's not going to be a Hall
of famerly touch, but we all, all of the people
that are looking at I agree this would be the guy.
Do you believe John Schneider and his staff would agree
or would they do a James Carpenter and take a
tackle and try to move him inside or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
And I'm listen, that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Sounds sarcastic, but let's be honest. Justin britt tackle that
played guard and then evolved into a center. James Carpenter
started as a tackle from Alabama and ended up moving
to a guard and they didn't resign him to a
second contract. And we mentioned this last week. It bears
mentioning again, and I like John Sneyder what he did
on the back end. We all agree you just articulated
it well. He did a phenomenal job building that defense.

(01:40:50):
All of the draft capital number one in terms of
draft capital since twenty ten on the offensive line spent
in the draft by the Seattle Seahawks. They have invested
in that more than anybody else. They have one Pro
Bowl in twenty twelve, Russell Kungu show for it. Do
you believe that those guys are capable? Are you confident
they could do that and make the right pick?

Speaker 18 (01:41:05):
Well, I think the confidence would be born from you know,
you got to give me evidence. I'm gonna base my
conclusion on on something. And the best, the best indicator
of the future is the past. So no, I'd be
holding my breath. I think you know what's the definition
of insanity.

Speaker 11 (01:41:22):
We know that.

Speaker 18 (01:41:23):
So so they've got to do something different, put somebody
into new in charge or whoever. If you want to
keep the same person, then you got to whatever the
the template was, you got to just waden that up
in and and and burn, burn the template and bury
the ashes two hundred feet below the surface of the earth. Okay,

(01:41:46):
that's what you've got to do. What your strategy has
been on the offensive line. And so now this is
not in my mind. You asked me the question, what's
the problem. This does not absolve Geno Smith. I I
have a lot of questions, particularly him going as a
thirty five year old. I think that there are are
issues that I think can be addressed with better people

(01:42:09):
around him. And maybe you say, you know, most years
he's not going to lead the NFL. And red zone interceptions,
I actually think that can get cleaned up because if
you had just two less than he's middle of the
pack and he's doing you know about you know, some
good quarterbacks have had a couple of interceptions. My concern
is when I look at at situational football third down

(01:42:33):
you're rating. You know, he's thirty fifth in the NFL
conversion percent twenty second in the league. Attempts where he
throws the ball two and a half seconds or less.
This is this speaks to processing. He's thirty ninth in
the league, interception per attempt fortieth in the league. Now
in the red zone, which the big bugaboo. Okay, his
passer rating in the red zone thirty ninth in the league.

(01:42:56):
Conversion percent is fourteenth, but again attempts less than two
and a half seconds, which is right about the median
for all passes. But he's thirtieth in the league in
terms of getting the rid of the ball and under
two and a half seconds forty third and interception attempts,
so not every play is is equaled. Now he's done

(01:43:18):
a good job of.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
The end of game.

Speaker 18 (01:43:23):
You know, game winning drives. That's a real thing. I
tip my hat to him. That's legit. But you know
two of them over the last two years are in
Week eighteen against the Cardinals a year ago and against
the Rams yesterday. That don't mean squat because you're going
it's a JV game, it's a it's you know what
it is. It's an August preseason game gussied up and
presented to you. Problem is this the first week of January,

(01:43:46):
the same thing as let.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
Me stop you there, because I want to come back,
and because we'll spend more time on on Gino next week,
because that's a whole I said, I want you on
for a bigger picture next week. I don't even know
we can get at a whole hour. For God's sakes,
I mean, that's just a whole. Because I mentioned this
earlier today, I hated everything about yesterday's game, you know,
stat patting, everything else. I hate everything about it. But

(01:44:08):
let's I want to come back. I'm gonna throw this
at you, and this may be hard to do, so
I'll give you a break to think about it. All right,
I'm gonna ask you if we come back, if you
were sitting in the meetings and what could John Schneider
and Mike McDonald have told you that you would have said, Okay,
it's okay that we fire Ryan Grumb like that that
like what what in there? From what you could see

(01:44:29):
on the film on the tape all twenty two when
you're watching an understanding offense like none of us do
what what reasons would be or could be given to
get rid of Ryan Greb. I'm gonna ask you that
when we come back, you hughmellon hardcore football, he does
it like nobody else. We're happy to have him on
a Monday more. Come on ninety three point three KTERFM.

Speaker 1 (01:44:51):
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Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
All right, hardcore football wrapping up. We got four or
five more minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
Next week we'll do another hardcore to wrap up the
season as a whole offense defense looking ahead of the
off season with you spending a lot of time today
on the offense Geno, but mostly on the offense offensive
coordinator Ryan Grub let go coming up. At one o'clock,
Greg Bell was at locker clean out. Damn sure he'll
have some juicy tidbitch from out there. We had Corman
Smith on earlier and he's got a story that he's
waiting for a final approval to post. When he does,

(01:45:29):
I'm just going to give you a couple to eat.
He will have it out this afternoon. There were a
couple incidents' post game this year that'll be articulated in
there between the coaches. And also, as I mentioned Hugh
earlier today, an NFL source told me that they almost
got rid of Ryan Grubb at the bye week. So
I think, if nothing else, what we know is this

(01:45:50):
the relationship and the philosophy just didn't work. We saw
that the first year with Pete Carroll and Jeremy Bates,
and I went back and looked and the quote from
the Seahawks from Bates was let go after twenty ten
season Pete's first year philosophical differences they brought bevelin. Of course,
two years later they won a Super Bowl. What must
they be looking for in the next offensive coordinator.

Speaker 11 (01:46:12):
Well, I think that I would start with just probably.

Speaker 18 (01:46:17):
More of an offense that complements the defense in terms
of more running on neutral downs that's first and ten,
second in six to ten.

Speaker 11 (01:46:33):
And excuse me, second and six to.

Speaker 18 (01:46:37):
Zero to six, I would say, I mean they've now,
they've tried all of the the schemes, so I can't say, well,
they didn't try to run outside or inside. They ran zone,
they ran gap scheme, they ran traps, they ran pinn
and polls. So it wasn't like there was entirely a

(01:46:58):
lack of creativity. I mean, you might say a little
bit more motion and and and you can always be
a little bit more creative. Somebody will say that if
they see a player too there, but I think the
nuts and bolts of it were there.

Speaker 11 (01:47:10):
I just think more of a I'll commitment to it.

Speaker 18 (01:47:14):
I think you could possibly see more under the center
and more play action if you want to marry the
run game with the pass game, and you know Gino
has operated out of that, assuming he's the quarterback. I
don't I don't necessarily think that's a one hundred percent assumption,
but I would think it's probably more likely than not

(01:47:37):
that he's your quarterback, but but I that would be
where I start in terms of of kind of what
they'll do is just a philosophical you know, remember now
it's the defensive head coach, and oftentimes those defensive head
coach they say they kind of say, hey, how are
you going.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
To help my defense?

Speaker 11 (01:47:58):
What are you going to do to help in the game?

Speaker 18 (01:48:02):
You know, limit the turnovers, we can play field position,
blah blah blah, you know, because because that's how they
see the game, defensive head coaches, that's how they see success.
And we saw it in Carol, right, you know during
the Super Bowl. You know, you know, the Seaharks were
number one in the NFL in run percentage and then
they'd go play action and Russell, because he was short,

(01:48:25):
it would have to take those deep drops back nine
ten yards by on the line scrimmage. But he had
a hell of an arm and he was dynamically accurate
down the field, and that was kind of, you know,
the best of all worlds for an offense to marry
with the legion of boom defense.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Bottom line for people just jumping on and just listening
to us for the first time, I'll let you sum
it up with this you I don't want to put
words your mouth, but your reaction to Ryan Grebb, you
were not stunned, but you were surprised and you didn't
agree necessarily with the decision based on what you saw
on tape.

Speaker 18 (01:49:00):
Well, I can understand, as I said, Softie, and I've
been talking for weeks, like, hey, do you think this
is going to happen. We've kind of maybe mentioned it here.
It wasn't even drums beating. I just I wouldn't have
I would not have made that decision. Like if I
was like I would say, I want to see another
year because I want to see everybody come to Mini

(01:49:21):
camp with you know some marinate that has occurred with
everybody kind of knowing, you know, just reflexively how to
run the out. Okay, when I break the huddle. You know,
I mentioned the verbose nature of a lot of these offenses.
It's like, hey, everybody breaks the huddle. You know exactly
you're split the balls in the right hashes. My split

(01:49:43):
of the balls on the left hasse boom. You know,
I'm ready to play fast, Okay if they're this coverage boom.
I know my depth, I know my adjustments and those
things change from now. Yes, there's a lot of similarities,
but the details can change. And the every offensive coordinator
has what he' uses his bread and butter plays.

Speaker 11 (01:50:04):
There's a lot of cool plays out.

Speaker 18 (01:50:06):
There, and picking what volume you're gonna have, it's one
of the biggest things an offensive coordinator has to decide.
And so now you get a new guy with new language, uh,
you know, new splits, new reads, new depths, new for
you know, for Mason calls, what have you, and all
the nuances of how the new offensive coordinator wants to

(01:50:29):
do things. That's going to slow you down. So I
would have preferred to see one more year. I think,
you know, offense takes longer than defense.

Speaker 11 (01:50:38):
It just does.

Speaker 18 (01:50:40):
I think it's a little bit hasty, but I'm not
all together against it. And part of it is because
I'm sick and tired of watching on Monday DK opening
the ball not going to him, and he's the guy
that's more open than anybody else. Now, Tyler Lockett last
week big dagger route, which is the intermediate route right

(01:51:00):
to left, and it's like Tyler's wide ass open.

Speaker 11 (01:51:03):
Why are you not throwing to him? Yesterday?

Speaker 18 (01:51:05):
Crossing route from left to right intermediate crossing route. It's
eleven robber. It's a man, a man. Yes, the safety's
gonna come down to a low hole and a deep
hole player. But if Tyler or a JSN just clears
that low hole player, it's a thirty five yard game
and maybe a touchdown hanging there. You got good protection.
Oh you're not even looking there. You're just looking to

(01:51:27):
go to the tight end for three yards. This is
third and eleven. You're just content to just go third
and eleven. Let me get that much closer to my
two million dollar completion bonus. Instead of hanging the pocket
and wait for Tyler to clear, it's gonna clear in
a quarter of a second. Just hang for a split second.
You got the time, dude, don't just come back on

(01:51:49):
third and eleven and give me tight end in the
flat and you never even look.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
I'd be one thing.

Speaker 11 (01:51:54):
If it's like you look, you didn't like it, maybe
we could disagree.

Speaker 18 (01:51:57):
You didn't even look, so I don't know. I'm kind
of rambling like a water skier behind a boat.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
But oh, you're all good. Well, let's do this. Let's
table it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
You and I will have more of a conversation next week,
and I'll bring more chum for the water and you
can retaliate with their fifty four percent again, which was
just greasy on your part, like greasy, greasy move by
you to Luckily, Luckily, I'm out of the show. Show,
Luckily I've done. I'm handing over to Greg Bell, and
I'm not gonna down. You're the best humilling Greg Bell

(01:52:29):
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