Furness Show 6-3: Steve Palazzolo, Hugh Millen, Elijah Arroyo

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Should talk a little baseball ors do it so baseball

(00:02):
team wins again going for a sweep. You know the
best thing about what they're what they're doing here with
this Mets series, I think they're doing. They're beating up
a team they should beat up. And I know they
mentioned one four straight coming in, but this is a
bad baseball team and you're taking care of business at
home against teams you should beat. And that didn't happen

(00:23):
against Kansas City this year, but it has happened in
the last three series. And all of a sudden, they're
just starting to kind of hum along a little bit. God, I,
you and I have talked about him before. Johnny Parada
find a way to keep him on the roster.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, I have an update on the on Nathan Bishop's
favorite game who Rob Reschneiner hit tracker. Johnny Parreida has
now passed rob restneiern hits for the season. How funny
is that in less than half the games?

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, time out? Is that something Nathan gave you or
twin or where I found that? I just found that
you have your own tracker, you have your own ressninder track.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
No, but I was interested last night and I was like,
Preida's kind of racked up some some hits in is
like what two weeks of being up here.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I think he's five for ten now in this homestand yeah,
and I got a second home run last night. Career
had three RBIs he has an energy to him behind
the plate. Listen, Garver's a veteran. The one thing give
Garb credit. He like, you can't hit, but but he
behind home plate. He can't throw, but he the ABS

(01:29):
system is his front.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
He's very good at knowing the strike sune.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yes, like, like the one thing that maybe keeps Mitch
Garver here is the ABS system.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Well, and it's funny because you know.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
It, which is brutal like that. If that's the case, come.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
On, yeah, well I mentioned Rob Reschneiner too.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
I actually think there's a reality in which the Mariners,
when cal Rawley is healthy, Johnny Parreeda comes your backup catcher,
and then I'd rather have Mitch Garver be your lefty
hitter and then have that third catcher option than have
it Rob Reschneiner the way he's playing so.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Well, because you got Robles back and you're gonna have
and you're gonna have Donovan exactly right. Yeah, the Refs
Snyner experience has to come to an end, has to
be done, has to come to an end. I like
that too, because I mean it's that makes sense. Donovan's
utility guy. Yep, right, yep, because because I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Think you're taking the kid out.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
No, I don't think you're taking him out anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Play some juice on col Emerson Rookie of the Year.
You can still get pretty good odds right now.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
So really, yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Like plus three thousand the last time I checked.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, that's a that's a noted for Friday show at
st Cao Cao noted, noted, got that the m's now
six straight games they've had two or more home runs. Wow,
which if you think back to last year when they
were having great success, and I know it doesn't always
feel sustainable, but when they were having success last season,

(02:53):
the numbers like when they hit a home run in
a game, we're through the roof. Yeah, and part of
that was cal just being crazy. But now it's by committee, right.
You know, Patrick Wisdom hit a home run last night,
you like, Johnny Parida hit a home run last night,
and then Julio hit a moonshot last night, so like
like it's coming from every like a little bit of
powers coming from everywhere for this baseball team matters.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, and it's dom can Zone getting three hits. It's
cool to Emerson, you know, just continuing to impress on
both sides of the ball. How about those last two
plays for him, the the diving stop and the eighth
inning and then the sliding catch to end the game
and e're pe by five runs. It's like everyone's kind
of sleepwalking through the end of the game. He can

(03:37):
easily just switch off and you know that's a foul ball,
I'm not getting there, or you know, it's a hard
hit line drive that's going down the third base line
that you know.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
You know what's an interesting player.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I thought of that with that play last night to end.
It was last year in San Francisco, right, Yeah, remember
when Robles got hurt. Yes, and and people were saying,
a dude, why are you selling yourself out at that
point in the game, because I think the game might
have been kind of out of hand or something, and
it was early in the season, and it's it's like

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a lot of risk physically for one out, and as
it turned out, it was now the Marion's end up
going to the LCS. It's fine, but Robust, I mean,
was out, he was done, and and he there's people
who actually criticized him for that, and I just I
couldn't believe it. I was like, how do you criticize
this dude? First of all, don't you want a guy

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playing hard?

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Don't you want it? He's an athlete, he's not, he's not.
But when I saw that last week, because it was.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Such an awkward slide by, because he kind of got
his cleek caught into the clay by by cold Emerson,
and I'm like, oh, if we don't need this.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
But then I'm like, no, you know what, that's how
the kid plays. I'm good with that. I'm good with that.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
And and you can get hurt doing nothing in baseball. Hell,
nobody knows how cal got hurt. That oblique issue, right, So.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
I did like it, But I thought that I did
think back last to the count to the victor robless thing.
I thought of that for a second.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
It is an interesting calm because I kind of had
that thought too, right when it happens, like oh no,
please don't be injured. And then he got up and
he looked smiling, was like it was.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Well because the game camera didn't catch the game camera
because it's kind of behind it's kind of a hard
angle for the game camera. Yeah, so the live game camera,
you didn't see the start of the slide. And then
they showed the replay and it's like he slides, kind
of pops back up, then goes back down and it's
like that just screams sprained ankle.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah, it does, and and he was fine.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Made the plague. I mean, just kid's a stud man.
I mean, we talked about him with yesterday. If you
missed our conversation with Joe, she and it was Joe
was raving about him yesterday and rightfully so. So yeah,
they'll go for the sweep today before they head out
on the road for some very winnable games on the
road as well, which we'll talk about more tomorrow. All right,
here's what's coming up on the show today.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well check it.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Steve Pelo's little thirty thirteen check the Mic podcast weekly
visitor during the football season, and just finished doing our
weeklies with him pre draft. He's just as a try
horrific job. Formerly a PFF. We'll talk to him about
Miles Garrett. Also the NFC win totals. Those guys did that.
Let's find out are the Rams the clear cut favorite?
Feels like they are. We're to Seattle or to San Francisco.

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What about the Eagles after the AJ Brown trade? What
kind does the power structure of the NFC look like?
So we'll talk about that with Steve coming up in
just a couple of minutes one o'clock. Our friend Hugh
Braidlove Millon. It's been too long since we had Hugh on.
He's going to join us coming up at one pm today.
We'll talk obviously football Seahawk Football. Also want to get
his thoughts on the labor negotiations with MLB and MLBPA

(06:34):
right now. Hugh was heavily involved as a player rep
when he was in the NFL, so we'll kind of
get his thoughts on that. I think should be some
interesting insight from Hugh as well. Elijah Royal, second year
tied in from the University of Miami, will join us
from around two twenty.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Five after practice is over.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
As always, your thoughts, comments, questions, concerns four nine, four
to five one that is it's coming out sex line
four nine four or five one fire those away love
to hear from me today. Talkbacks are open and welcome
for you as well.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Go to the red.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Microphone on the iHeartRadio app and we'll hear from you.
As the afternoon goes along, a lot of Seahawk football
conversation coming up right here nine three point three KJFM.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
We're diving into the numbers and the grades around the
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Steve Pelozolo joins us right now. Thirty third Team check
the mic podcast and we said, listen, I gotta I
gotta catch up with Steve at some point and find
out what's going on in the NFC West. All hell's
breaking loose, Miles Garrett, what's going on there? Checking in
with our guy right now. It's the off season, but

(07:55):
there is no off season. Steve joins us. As I'm
sitting here at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center. We got
a little ota is going on here today? Steve nothing
screams a good time like June football practice.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
How are you.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Doing?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Great?

Speaker 5 (08:07):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Enjoy practice today? That should be fun.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
It will be.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I'm looking through my and and I could say this
my producer Andrews.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
He will, he will confirm he is a loyal check
the mic podcast and listener as am I.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
I glanced it.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's kind of the listen to it on the on
the treadmill or the elliptical machine. I look, I didn't
see a Miles Garrett reaction yet.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
What's going on with you? And Sam?

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I need a reaction from you guys so here. That's
why I'm calling you today, buddy, what's going on? What's
going on with Miles Garrett? Help us out?

Speaker 3 (08:37):
You got to look closer. It was that we did
an instant reaction, did I?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
They did the live the live reaction, like right as
it happened.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
We did a live oh yeah, live reaction.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
We did it.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
We did that. Well.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
Well, we're gonna break it down in more detail tomorrow,
but we'll get the head started. Yeah, I mean, the
the rams are going that. I hate using the word
all in because it implies like if now we're never
this year. But I mean they're making aggressive moves. They
are making very aggressive moves obviously. And Miles Garrett best
defensive player in the NFL. We already know he's an

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unbelievable pass rusher, and not just because he had the
sack record last year.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
You guys know me, It's not just about sacks.

Speaker 7 (09:16):
This guy wins one on ones, stresses the offensive tackles,
he can.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
Move around, create mismatches.

Speaker 7 (09:23):
And Jared Versus a great player, the player that they
gave up, so it makes for a fascinating trade. But yeah,
Miles Garrett the very best player on the on the
defensive side of the ball and just a down to
down impact player.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
First of all, you know, once again old man Ian
shows his age by just glancing down and seeing win
totals NFC tam. Yeah, there was there was a reaction
there and I will have to go back and listen
to it. Got to get Sam's reaction as well. But
let me go back because that is a key. Like
I'll joking aside, we've been having you on for a
few years now. And one of the things that you
do a great job with, whether it was in the

(09:56):
old days at PFF or now with check the Mic
and thirty thirteen, it's not just about the sack numbers,
and sometimes your sack numbers are even a little bit different.
It's about the win rates and everything else. Take us
a little deeper into the numbers with Miles Scarrett. Let's
the twenty three sacks is one thing. What else is
he How else is he winning every down? I mean
every every down. I don't work at PFF anymore, but

(10:18):
they do a really good job of tracking this. You know,
ESPN has their own version of win rate, So we
do have a lot more advanced metrics now. And when
you when you isolate pass rushers against blockers, whether they
finish the player or not, you just get a really
rich data set for Hey, do they win their one
on ones?

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Do they win their interactions? And we hear a lot about.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
Football and how it can never be like baseball, and
baseball's got you know, way more data and it's one
on one pitch reverse hitter, and it's you know, football's
got too many moving parts. But the offensive and defensive
line is actually one of the richest data sets that
you have in football to just isolate players because they
do have a lot of one on one interactions and
Garrett has been the very best for the last six

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to eight years winning those one on ones as a
pass rusher. And again, sometimes the ball will get out
very quickly and you don't feel that impact. Other times,
first routes covered, second rountes covered, you know he could
finish the play. But when you isolate, is he winning
one on ones? Garrett does that the best, and he
gets doubled as much, if not more, than any other

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edge rusher in the league. And so he's got the
perfect combination of size speed. You watch some of the
moves that he makes where his stride length is so long.
He'll just get there in two strides. He's just on
the offensive tackle before they can even get out of
their stance, and then he can win with power. He
could bend like these two hundred and forty pounds, but
he's closer to two hundred and eighty. So he really

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does it all. And I like to use the word
stress a lot. I mean, that's what he does to
an offense. That's what he does to offensive tackles. He
spent most of his time rushing against left tackles. And
I think that's notable because I spend a lot of
time arguing with Steelers fans through the years, Miles Garrett
versus TJ.

Speaker 6 (11:56):
Watt.

Speaker 7 (11:57):
You know who's better and what would would be the
guy that maybe had higher sack totals for a while,
But we just said, look, Garrett impacts the game down
to down just more than t J. Watt and anyone
else really and against left tackles where the NFL still
usually puts their better pass protector, whereas Watt you know,
would be on the right side against against right tackles.
And so Garrett has has done it all. He can

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move around if needed, and it just it just adds
another weapon to that, to that Rams defense.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Steve Palazolo joining is Steve you mentioned the double teams?
Is it a necessity? Like I mean when you're watching him,
you know, over the last couple of years, especially even
last year, but our teams almost always double teaming him
in a passing situation.

Speaker 7 (12:38):
Yeah, And it's similar to Aaron Donald And look, I
think to it it's not as simple as you know,
put an extra blocker. I think you have to get creative.
You have to move the pocket on early downs. You
have to chip with a running back, chip with a
tight end. You have to do multiple things, you know,
sometimes send the guard over there with an eye toward him,
you know, to to cover the inside.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
So yeah, you you absolutely they need to give him
proper attention.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
And Garrett's career, you know, there was a point where
the Browns didn't have any defensive line help back in
twenty twenty two or so, and then in twenty three
they started to add some pieces and the twenty three
defense was outstanding, that was top five in the league.
Twenty four took a bit of a step back, they
had some injuries, but twenty five, again they were one
of the best in the league. And they did it
with primarily with a four man rush, much like Houston

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four man rush, exclusively relying on that front four, not
needing to blitz.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
And that's the added weapon that Garrett brings too.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
So when he's either winning or drawing attention, it does
open it up for everyone else as long as they're
good enough. And again, the Rams that already have a
very good defensive line, and now you upgrade from Verse
to Garrett, and again, it just puts so much stress
and pressure on that offensive front.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Is there anything he doesn't do well? Tell me, like
he's not good against the run or something. Give me,
give me, give a seahawk, something will He's a good
run defender too. He'll get sucked inside a little bit.
Sometimes he won't.

Speaker 7 (13:56):
You know, the play could bounce out outside of his area,
or you know, it doesn't shed quickly enough on you know,
a run that goes you know to his inside. But
but he's good there too, uses his hands, uses his flexibility.
Uh sees pullers and you know sifters, you know those
backside cut off blocks.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
He sees those well and handles them well.

Speaker 7 (14:16):
And so yeah, he's a he's a good I mean
he's not He's not like a top three run defender
or anything. I think a guy like Max Crosby might
be better. But he's still very good in the run game.
So yeah, he's good. He's good all around.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Sorry, we know, I know it's I didn't expect anything
more than than that. So Steve Belizola joining us, you
guys did your NFC win totals. I'm not a huge fan,
but I'm gonna try to do this anyway of the
following the whole power rankings, but based on like win totals,
it's it has to be safe to say right that
the Rams are the premium like they're the on pay
for the best team in the NFC.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
I would think right now, you've got.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Ad Miles Garrett, you added both Trent McDuffie and Jalen Watson,
so you've done You've done those things, like and that
was a team that was literally one play away from
going to the Super Bowl. And I think, as we saw,
probably one play away from going to the super Bowl
means you win the Super Bowl this past year. Are
the Rams clearly the team that you think is the
best team right now in the NFC or not.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I think they are.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
I think they're the they on paper champions of the
offseason right now. And look, I can hear Seahawks fans
right now, we're the defending champs. We were better last year.
And what's interesting is a lot of those power rankings,
you know, you look at the two deep, you look
at the starting twenty two, and I think you could
make an argument that the Rams starting twenty two was
better than Seattle earmuffs right now, Just for a second,

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Seattle fans that they were starting twenty two was better
than the Seahawks last year. But clearly Seattle was better
all around. Their team defense was outstanding, some of their depth,
but the real difference between those two teams last year
was special teams. And you know, the Seahawks being one
of the better special teams units in the in the
league and the Rams being one of the worst. I mean,

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the Rams lost three or four games on special teams alone,
including the game up in Seattle with the funky two
point conversion and everything.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
So those things aren't going to show up in power
rankings right now.

Speaker 7 (16:07):
And even at the end towards the end of last season,
the whole time of like Seattle really better than the Rams?

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Are they really better? And then eventually it's like, yeah,
they are. They're better all around teams.

Speaker 7 (16:16):
If they can maintain that piece of it, the special
teams and winning on the edges, then maybe that overcomes
what the Rams have done. But the Rams are really good,
and the two deep looks outstanding. The starting twenty two
looks as good as we've seen I think in the
NFL over the last few years. So yeah, I think
the Rams are the best team in the NFL. Right now,
what do McDuffie and Watson do for them? I mean

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that was their weakness last year. The Rams defense has
gone through a really good It's just an interesting evolution.
I think early in twenty twenty four they weren't that great.
But if you remember the end of the twenty four season,
Matthew Stafford's play tapered off, but it didn't matter.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
That defense went through a stretch.

Speaker 7 (16:55):
I think it was seven out of eight games they
allowed like thirteen or fewer points. I mean, they are
really good. At the end of twenty twenty four, they
were the ones who gave Sam Donald all those problems
and in the playoff game. So the Rams defense was
really good at the end of twenty four. They turned
a corner. Early in twenty five, it looks the same
until they did hit some patches where they got picked

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apart in the secondary. And now all of a sudden,
you have Trenton McDuffie. You just you have the Chiefs
corners and those guys McDuffie and Watson. They're used to
playing man coverage. McDuffie could play inside or outside I
think the Rams have a ton of flexibility now on
the back end with their inside outside flexibility.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
And again they could they could play a little bit
more man.

Speaker 7 (17:34):
And I don't know that they're overhauling their scheme, but
where Garrett came from with the with the Browns, they
played a lot of pressman coverage and they rushed four
and the Rams are not that type of team. But
it just it just adds that to the playbook. Potentially, Hey,
we can get home with four. We could trust our
corners on an island if needed. And I just think
it brings a lot of flexibility on the back end

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and made one of last year's weaknesses to the Rams
team potentially a strength.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
And just in Matthew Stafford is amazing.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
I mean, I like, I know again, I guess I'll
say the same thing Steves andd Seahawk fans closure, you know,
put your hands or ears if you want.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
But he's amazing. I mean, thirty eight years old.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I guess the only question was Stafford is health right?
Can he can he hold up another year as he
did last year with that MVP campaign.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
That was what was most impressive.

Speaker 7 (18:19):
Remember last year we were talking about the hyper barrack
chamber bus that they were getting for him. Whatever they had, right,
they had like, he's got his own bus out there.
I'm like, man, I could use that.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
I might.

Speaker 7 (18:28):
I'm actually making my return to pitching. Maybe tonight after
fourteen years. I might throw an in, right, and I
need the bus. I need Stafford's he's join the pack. Yeah,
you can piggyback. You can do the piggyback. We're big
out there out here and Seattle with the piggyback.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Oh, I want to do that.

Speaker 7 (18:42):
I got an inning, Tell my tell my former team
that I got an inning, and maybe we'll see. We'll
see what I'm doing. See if scouts come, come watch
me tonight. But you know, Stafford's Stafford's health last year
it seemed like it was going to be a question,
and then mcveigh's answering questions all vaguely during training camp
and all this. He has the best season of his career.
So but in other years we've seen him thumb injuries

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and back injuries and like weird back injuries to pop up.
So yeah, certainly the health for Stafford is a big one.
But he looked great last year. He was throwing it
really well, and we know what he can do in
late game comeback situations. So yeah, Stafford outstanding and him
and mcveil. McVeigh continues to evolve too. I know a
lot of people are like, hey, you know, the whole
league's copy in McVeigh. But there was a point where
McVeigh was not great at being ahead of the curve

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and he was a little bit more like stuck in
his ways, say five six years ago. Now he's doing
a better job of staying ahead of things, putting Stafford
in a position to succeed. And you know, as long
as Stafford does stay healthy, yeah, of course, you know,
I think the Rams will be there, you know, at
least in the mix at the end.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Here McVeigh and Shanahan offensively versus Mike McDonald defensively is
just I mean, it's going to be so much fun
with the next few years to watch these guys in
this division speaking that. We're very concerned out here with
our neighborhood. Our neighbors are not pleasant in the NFC
West Eve Rams, they're the Navy. You really hate dogs
always barking, They just keep chirping. You just can't get

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rid of them. But you know what who's almost is
annoying would be the San Francisco forty nine ers now
aging some injuries and so forth. I'll have people listen
to the Check of Mike podcast for the NFC win totals.
But I will ask you this, where do you have
the forty nine ers in in terms of win totals?
And that there's kind of the power of the NFC
right now.

Speaker 7 (20:25):
So Niners fans get so frustrated with us, I think
because we do a lot of depth chart. You know,
you look at the depth chart, you look at the analogy,
you look at the roster and think they can't possibly
be as good as they are. And you know, coming
off of us disappointing six win season last year, they're
coming off a rough twenty four and they're over there
playing Seattle for the number one seed at the end

(20:46):
of the season. And so that was a shock, to
be honest, with all the injuries that the Niners had
with Nick Bosa, with Fred Warner. So I look at
they're too deep and say, look, they've taken a huge hit.
They made the Super Bowl in twenty twenty three. I
think their depth has taken a hit. The Deebo Sangles
of the world aren't there. Brandon Aiyuk's no longer there.
The defensive line used to roll eight deep, and now

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that's been basically overhauled. It's Nick Bosa and a whole
lot bunch of first second year players. So it doesn't
look great on paper. But Kyle Shanahan is an outstanding coach.
I know he takes heat for never won the Big
One and conference championships and Super Bowl failures or whatever,
but just getting to those points isn't so as long
as Shanahan's there, I think the offense will be good enough. Also,

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Brock Perdy's I think the best quarterback he's had since
Matt Ryan's MVP season of sixteen. Since Matt Ryan, basically,
I think Purdy has elevated that offense, you know, from
the Jimmy Garoppolo era, and we're still seeing that even
with Perdy making more money and you know, some of
the talent decreasing. So all that to say, I think
the Niners they're in like a half rebuild where they're

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relying on a lot of young players, but they're still
managing to be really good because of Kyle Shanahan. So
that was really impressible. See what happens with the defense,
They have to rush the passer better. It doesn't look
great on paper compared to where it was, as they
should be a step down compared to Seattle and the Rams.
But as far as the week to week, will they
be there at the end, Yeah, I think so because
of Shanahan and Party being able to get that offense cooking.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Steve Pel's ola Joni's for a couple more moments, Steve,
the worst kept secret in the NFL was it? AJ
Brown was going to the Patriots. We won't get into
all the reasons why that was the worst kept.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Secret, but it was.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
There's no doubt we all know what was going on there.
So AJ Brown goes to the Patriots and that has
to hurt, does it not? The Philadelphia Eagles? I know
he was at times in and out and he is
who he is, but that's got it. That's a little
bit of a hit for them.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
It is.

Speaker 7 (22:39):
I mean, look, if you look at AJ Brown's career
and there's a handful of receivers where you could play
this game, Tyreek Hill is one of them.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
You get to see them in two different situations. You
get to see what they've done in those situations.

Speaker 7 (22:50):
AJ Brown was there for Ryan Tannehill's two best years
of his career, way back right his early Titans career,
and a lot of people are like, oh, they had
Dereck Henry, That's why Tannehill was so good.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
It's like, eh, may have been AJ Brown that was
really the.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
Catalyst for Ryan Tannehill's passing stats, you know, being through
the roof in the twenty eighteen nineteen range.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
And so I think that was AJ Brown.

Speaker 7 (23:13):
And then he goes to Philadelphia and nobody knew what
Philly had in Jalen Hurts coming off the twenty twenty
one season, and all of a sudden in twenty two,
Hurtz looks great stats, go through the roof, they go
to the Super Bowl, and so I think A J.
Brown has been a huge catalyst for QB performance being
elevated twice now with Ryan Tannehill and with Jalen Hurts,

(23:33):
much like we've seen Tyreek Hill, you know, breaking the
league with Patrick Mahomes, but also leading to up to
some Gaudi stats as well. I mean, these elite receivers
on the outside can do that. So I think AJ
Brown still has a lot left in the tank. Maybe
not as much as he did, but I think that
has a chance to really elevate the Patriots adding him,
adding Romeo Dobbs, giving Drake May that outside playmaker in

(23:56):
aj Brown, and then for Philadelphia it's there's pressure on Hurts.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
It's a lot like Purdy.

Speaker 7 (24:01):
A couple of years ago, you could say, well, purdy
stats are through the roof because Kyle Shanahan, Kyle's gotten
everybody to play well at quarterback. He's just a system guy.
And there was a kernel of truth in that Shanahan
does elevate the quarterbacks. But we've seen Purdy lose some
talent and maintain his efficiency for the most part and
maybe elevate his game. And I think that just puts
more pressure on Jalen Hurts to do that, to maybe

(24:21):
throw to the field a little bit more. They got
some weapons in the draft and McKayle lemon, Eli Stowers,
they attacked the middle of the field. They're gonna stitch
it together on the outside with guys like Marquise Brown
don Tavian Wicks coming in. So yeah, it's the first
time we've really seen Hurts in a full season as
a starter without aj Brown and you just have to
see that next evolution of his game to But I

(24:42):
think it will be challenging not having AJ Brown in
there because defense has had to account for him, plus
the fact that he could just take over games at
any given time for the most for the majority of
his career.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, and they were obviously planning for it. I mean
the Mkaile Lemons obviously, I mean the draft, how they
approached the draft. They were they knew this was going
to happen. Maybe Diana had told him already, but yeah,
this was going to happen. They were ready to rock
and roll. But yeah, it just feel like a step back.
Although I love Lemon. Watched him, I mean watching him
at USC he was special, all right. So Steve, first
of all, thanks for doing this in the off season.

(25:13):
Second of all, we're looking forward to resuming in the
fall with you again on a weekly basis.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Love doing it. We're we're convinced and have a strong
conviction to make that happen. If you'll be back with us,
we may or may not bother you before then.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
But in the meantime, for folks who want to get
all the great NFL talk and conversation going with you
and Sam?

Speaker 6 (25:32):
How do they do so?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Where do they check it out? In terms of checking
the mic.

Speaker 7 (25:35):
We're all over YouTube, check the mic wherever you listen
to your podcast, Apple, Spotify.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Whatever it may be.

Speaker 7 (25:41):
And yeah, we we have some fun in the off
season looking at all thirty two teams. And yeah, I
got to send a thank you text to less Need
for keeping things interesting here during the off season with
the aggressive Wiles Garrett trade. So we'll be talking about
more of that on tomorrow show.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Listen, you send that to him because he's not getting
any thanky notes from up here. And see how I
can tell you that right now, Like there's no there's
no thing. And if if another certain shoe drops that
used to wear big number ninety nine, if that for
some reason, it's oh god, I even getting.

Speaker 7 (26:10):
I think there's a chance. I think there's a chance.
Aaron Donald's like, all right, let's see what happens here.
The dude's still in shape.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
He can bring Max Crosby to Seattle.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
Anybody can do it.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, and then we go get Max Crosby or so, yeah,
we gotta go get Crosby and Seattle or something. Watching
that watching that Beast working out just for fun and retirement. Like,
I'm tired on the elliptical for thirty minutes. Man, this
guy's out there just banging through stuff and looking like
he's ready to go. It's I can't even fathom even
twenty snaps a game with that guy less sneed stop it,

(26:41):
stop it.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
We're done, we've moved. What's moving? Me and Aaron Donald.
Me and Aaron Donald coming out of retirement the same year. Hey,
the piggyback is there for you. You can be what
do they call it the opener? He can be an
old video opener. Yeah, yes, one inning and I'm out
of here.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
One inning and hopefully, you know, maybe about twenty pitches
and then and then you're done.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
Yeah, this had a one dive instead of the five
and dive exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Steve Grant stuff. We'll talk soon. Check the Mike podcast.
Go check it out with Stevens. Just go ahead and
subscribe to it right now and you'll get it in
your in your fees. As they say along the line,
thank you my friend.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
All right, yeap, thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
That is a Steve Pellos old will take a break,
come back. More from the Virginia Mason Athletic Center. Hu
Millin coming up at one o'clock at ninety three point
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Speaker 3 (27:43):
All right, welcome back.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
We're at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center, Seahawks OTA's Elijah Royal. Second,
your tight end is gonna join me, coming up about
two twenty two twenty five today. We'll take your text
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Speaker 4 (27:59):
Pigs.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Thanks to Teve Pellas, although for popping on cond Up
with Steve a little earlier today just to get his thoughts.
I certainly don't feel better. Anders don't feel better. I
don't feel better.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
He I mean, how can you right?

Speaker 3 (28:12):
You're not?

Speaker 1 (28:13):
And Hu Mullin's coming out at one. He's gonna tell
us the same thing. This guy is a stud, which
we all knew, but yeah, everyone knows that. Yeah, it's
I'm looking for a glimmer of hope and the only
glimmer is his age. Yeah, right, Like that's the one
thing and just the if you just kind of go
through the age of him, of Miles Garrett, Matt Stafford.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
But yeah, dude, Garrett's not even that old though.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
He's like, what thirty one, he'll be thirty one this season,
Like yeah, but like you're on the north end of
that as a sure football player and a guy that
plays in the trenches.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's well, and you got rid of a guy a
stud that was twenty five.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Right, There's there's something that I'm gonna ask you about
this on when he comes along with us, because he
made a comment in the Day of Softy and I've
been fascinated by it since he was talking about Miles
Garrett's second step and and and I'm like, because usually
you hear like, oh, his first step is like you
hear about a pass rusher, right, first step is x
oh it's explosive, And he was talking about his second

(29:12):
step is jumped off the film at I'm like, I'm
fascinated by that because, yeah, it's a little different. He
does some sort of like eurostep thing or something that's
kind of wild and wow. Yeah, Charles Cross is. I
wonder what his thoughts were when he saw that.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Well, I guess the one I realized that maybe you
can make this comparison. But everyone was on the Green
Bay Packers Super Bowl hype train when they traded for
Micah Parsons last year, right, yeah, and that I mean, yeah,
you could you could argue it worked for them, but
it didn't necessarily take them over the top.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Their defense wasn't great though, right, their defense really remember
the game, like I think the as soon as I
thought I remember now, they remember towards ACL the.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
End of the year exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
Right, So, but remember with Micah Parsons and that just
had Green Bay defense. Remember when Cincinnati went in there
and they were just awful, right, and they rolled up
like five hundred yards of offense or something on it
right hit Lambeau and you're like, uh, what's going on? Yeah,
I don't think that's gonna happen with the Rams. I mean,
the Corners are too good. You know, they had a
stud linebacker. They're they're gonna be fine. The thing with

(30:15):
the NFL and and I'm not gonna pull a softy
and root for guys to get hurt. But but you
just we just talked about Green Bay. I mean, Michael
parsonst ends up turning as ACL in December. It's such
a violent game with such big, physical players, like guys
are gonna get hurt. And I thought what Steve said
was interesting about Seattle's roster and that is just the

(30:38):
depth of it, and like you're going to lose guys
during the year. That's just the natural attrition that the
league gives you enhands to every team every year. It's
who you lose and who you have behind those players
that determines whether or not a team is a playoff team,
a contending team or not. Right, Like Seattle survived a

(31:00):
lot of injuries at the safety position last year because
they had Tayo Katta exactly right and he was able
to step up. They ended up surviving, you know, some
injuries at the receiver position, specific with a guy that
was when he was in there was a red zone
machine and a touchdown machine in Tory Horton, uh and
they ended up going and getting Rashid Chi heat right right,
you know when Horton got hurt.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
So it's it's like who do you have.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
At key positions in terms of backups? How do you
how healthy do you stay?

Speaker 3 (31:29):
You know?

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I mean I think you can even point if nothing
else to to Drew Locke. He's not Sam Darnold, but
Drew lock is a competent backup quarterback, right if he
needs to play a game or two. Yeah, so like
but but natural attrition in the league will take place
for sure.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Well, and it's not just the players that are available,
right because I would argue that if Tyo Katta was
anyone else's backup safety. I mean, he's a great player,
don't get me wrong, but I feel like him. With
the Mike McDonald's system, the Saws are better suited to
losing those guys than almost any other team.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Right, and then and then who steps up like last
year was Drake Thomas ends up being an absolute study.
The h makes a play of the year, and it's
the start. I'm gonna tell you right now, there is
no chance a year ago, right now that I'd be
sitting out here and I was at the Virginia based
Athletics Center saying, God, I should we should probably get
to know Drake Thomas a little bit. So we talked

(32:21):
to Drake Thomas.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Who's gonna be that guy?

Speaker 4 (32:22):
This year.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
I think a guy could be the guy we're talking
to you two twenty five in roil.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
I mean, he might be one of those guys that
takes that takes that second you know, that second year
step uh and ends up kind of you know, doing
some things like well, where'd that guy come from?

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Right?

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Like, I could be that guy? H I mean, who knows?

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Could it be.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
JACRTI are right, I don't know, you know, it could be. Well, listen,
the rookie class has made an impact each in the
last couple of years.

Speaker 6 (32:51):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
So you know which of those guys I mean is
a Bud Clark.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Not just Price, but you know, Riley Wills is a
popular choice.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
I'd say Riley Mills might be the guy I was
talking about Greg earlier.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, I mean kind of red shirted last season and
then came on and played obviously a little bit in
the regular season, and then oh, I'm gonna get a
sack in the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Why?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I was like, who probably the most. If you were
to ask anyone what play they remember from the Super Bowl,
it's probably that one.

Speaker 4 (33:17):
It might be.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, it represents exactly what happens.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
It's such a non descript Super Bowl. Yeah what I mean, Yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yeah, I mean, and there they manage their players really well,
like there's a bunch of veterans that are here that
aren't practicing. For example, today I was just out there
in the break and I was watching some stuff and
I walked by the weight room and Jared Reid was
standing there and exchanged pleasantries with him for a second.
And you know he's in there lifting and stuff. You know,
he's here going through the meetings, lifting doing stuff. He
didn't need to be on the field. We all know

(33:48):
what he could do, right, all right, Well, take a break,
come back, Hu mill And is going to join us.

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Speaker 1 (35:28):
Hour number two of the show You fronounced with you
at the Virginia Mason Athletics Center. And because we are here,
I do want to talk a lot of football with
my friend Hugh Millen, which I will get to at
some point here on the radio show, but he joins
us right now. Before I get to football, Hugh, I
want to talk business of sports with you for a minute.

Speaker 6 (35:50):
First.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
How are you, my friend? I'm well, good to be
with you, Ian.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I wanted to get you on because I know this
is we've talked about this off and on over the
years that you and I've done stuff in reference to
the few times for people that don't know, when Hugh
was in the NFL, I believe almost the entirety of
your career, but a good chuck of it. At least
you were a player rep for the NFL Players Association,
right I was, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
And in year two I.

Speaker 8 (36:16):
Was flown back to Washington, DC as a representative of
the Los Angeles RAMS, and I was testifying to our
state of readiness during the strike. This is nineteen eighty seven,
and at this point I was a rep and Basically,
the NFL owners were trying to say that we weren't

(36:39):
ready to play coming off of three weeks of having struck,
and so we were battling over a week's worth of wages.
And by the way that the players at that time
who struck to acquire the free agency that these players
now enjoy, we lost three game checks, never gotten back,
and we understand that's part of the that's part of

(37:01):
the evolution, the advancement of the game, and we had
it better than the players before us, and we're fighting
for the players behind us. But specifically, then fast forward
to all the way ahead seven years later when we
finally got the free agency, that really has been a springboard.

(37:22):
I think all numbers and all reasoning suggests that you know,
ever since the nineteen ninety three CBA, the player the
owners wanted rather to control the player costs, the players
wanted freedom and free agency. And since nineteen ninety three
you've seen franchise values, TV contracts, players salaries all just surge, explode,

(37:46):
competitive balances improved. There's numbers to support that, and the
NFL is the most dominant sports league, if not in
the world, certainly in this country. That's undebatable, So you know,
it was an interesting process. So I do take interest
in what I'm seeing in the baseball world and our

(38:08):
compatriots of sorts in the professional sports arena, and how
they're going to handle this well.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
And it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
And that's why I wanted to get you on because
it's a different sport, but I knew you would be
taking an interest in it and watching it keenly. As
the negotiations are in the very very early stages between
the Players Association for Major League Baseball and the owners
of Major League Baseball. The timing is interesting when you
go back to the early mid nineties, as you mentioned,

(38:35):
because the NFL as we know it today was established
in ninety three and ninety four, and of course nineteen
ninety four we lost the World Series in baseball with
the lockout at the end of the year.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
That was based yeah, and that was based on.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
The last time it was really kind of the last
time the owners really pushed hard for a salary cap.
What similarities do you see in what baseball is just
beginning to undergo right now and what you guys did
in nineteen ninety three.

Speaker 8 (39:08):
Well, I think that they in some ways they come
from completely opposite ends of position where they're trying to
get to a similar point. And when I got drafted
in eighty six, Let's say Joe Montana was the best
player in the NFL. When his contract expired with the
forty nine ers, there was a term called player indemnity.

(39:31):
He was still the property of the forty nine ers.
He had no leverage in negotiations other than, hey, you're
not going to be as good a team without me, which,
of course that leverage would decline once the forty nine
ers acquired Steve Young. So there really wasn't a lot
of leverage for the players. And so the players in

(39:51):
fighting for free agency, they wanted to have that competition,
that freedom of movement that everybody enjoys. I mean, if
you want to leaven, you know, take a job in
Boston as a sports radio guy and you get double
the money.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
You know you, you, you know you.

Speaker 8 (40:06):
And in this industry, in every industry, there's there's freedoms
that we enjoy and that's protected by the anti trust
laws now the and so what happened with the football
players is we we we clearly have a situation where
the draft. Just take for example, one mode of controlling players.

(40:26):
The draft is patently anti trust. That's a nobody disputes that.
Just take that as a brute fact that the draft
is anti trust to just say, well, we're going to
constrain where you live. But if it is agreed upon
in collective bargain agreement. What happens in these federal courts
is that the Wagner Labor Act supersedes the Sherman Anti

(40:50):
Trust Act.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
What does that mean.

Speaker 8 (40:51):
It means that labor laws they take dominance and if
you collectively bargain your rights in anti trust court away,
then you no longer have an anti trust claim. So
that would be important to the owners. And at the
point of around nineteen ninety three, the NFL union decertified

(41:13):
and okay, what was that process. What that was trying
to do is get that is a threat to the
owner saying listen, we're going to decertify as a union,
so you can't use the labor laws to supersede the
anti trust laws. Once we decertify as a union, you
are exposed in anti trust court that your draft isn't
and the player indemnity. These are violations of anti trust.

(41:37):
So now that's our leverage, and so from that we
were able to extract pension increases, retirement improvements, higher minimum salaries,
what have you, and a floor. This is an important point,
the floor with the salary caps. So we came from
a position of no free agency trying to acquire free agency.

(41:57):
The players in baseball, they're coming almost from an opposite
you know, path, and that being that they have free agency.
And you say, what about the baseball and then I
trust exemption that really only pertains to a team movement
and minor leagues and what have you. The Kurt Flood

(42:21):
ruling and resolution basically allowed for players to have free agency. Okay,
so the players have had it. What we're talking about
is a salary cap. That's the important point. The players
who have not had a salary cap in baseball, they
are bocking at having a salary cap, and I think
that's foolish, and we'll get to that in a second.

(42:42):
But the players from football, we never had a construct
where we had free agency but no salary cap. Salary
cap was part of that was embedded into the agreement.
The owners were going to have a salary cap, and
then we in tured said okay, if you want to
have a salary cap, then we have to have a
minimum as well. And that's what has been so effective

(43:03):
for the NFL. It is mandated that that that eighty
nine percent of the salary cap has spent and teams
will be penalized if they don't. So you see right now,
for example, the discrepancy and payroll this most recent year
the Dodgers and Marlins. The Dodgers at three hundred and
seventy three million this is for their twenty twenty five

(43:25):
seasons to three hundred and seventy three million, and the
Marlins are are seventy three million. There's a four hundred
and eleven percent difference.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
That's crazy. In football.

Speaker 8 (43:34):
This most recent season twenty twenty five, the highest paid team,
uh the gap between was at two hundred and seventy
nine million, the lowest at two hundred and forty eight million.
That's only a twelve percent different. So do you see
how fundamentally different the are twelve percent difference between four
hundred and eleven percent different. So so the the the

(43:57):
players in baseball are right to say, well, we have
a salary minimum, but I think they're mistaken to balk
at the salary cap. I think it because here's the
thing we had, and this is an important point. The
players we in the NFL. Let me go back to
nineteen ninety three. We say, well, we have to have
What was important to us is let's have a percentage

(44:19):
of what was called DGR, the designated Gross revenues or
also called the defined gross revenues.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
And you say, what was that?

Speaker 8 (44:26):
That was primarily? That was just that was television revenue
and ticket revenue primarily. And so we had and there
was varying scales based on revenue. And I'm not going
to get in the details, but it varied between fifty
nine percent and sixty four percent. Got me through for

(44:46):
the first twenty years. Then in twenty eleven we went
back to the table and we said, okay, not just
the DGR because by this point the NFL had become
a media empire. They you know, they had the NFL network,
they had digital media. So the players then said, okay,
we're not gonna have the DGR and be somewhere in
the fifty nine to sixty four percent rate. We're going

(45:07):
to be at forty eight percent of all revenue. So
we have a big drop in revenue. But the pie
is much bigger because now we're saying we want the
percentage of the NFL network. The digital media Rights also
sponsors sponsorships league wide sponsorships which are different than the
television networks. The luxury suites which caused Model to leave

(45:28):
Cleveland and go to Baltimore. Like all of that. Now,
all of a sudden, it's not DGR, it's AR. What's
AR all revenue? So now the players are at forty
eight percent. And then when when they accepted the seventeen
game season, it went from forty eight to forty eight
point eight percent. Lock that in. Write that down, Anders,
write that down. Forty eight point eight percent. That is

(45:50):
the all revenue the players have. Now, let's talk about baseball.
Baseball right now is at forty seven percent. In two
thousand and two they are at fifty seven. They fell
to a in the mid teams down to forty four percent.
They've called back to forty seven percent. Andrews, what was
the number? I said that the NBA point so the

(46:12):
so baseball. And by the way, when I was a
player REP, I'm not trying to dunk on baseball. I
conceded regularly throughout my tenure as a player rep that
baseball had a better union than us. They were just
they were more solidified, they were more together. So I'm
not trying to to flex on baseball. I'm just looking at, Okay,

(46:34):
what what is common sense? From my analysis? What now?
I think that baseball players they are adhering to some dictum,
some axiom, that a relative that's been handed down to
them through the generations. And I don't think that they're
considering what is likely to happen, what I believe is

(46:57):
likely to happen. If they accept, first of all, they
go from forty seven to fifty, then they so there
the total amount is going to be increased, and that's that,
that's the percentage of the pie. But I also believe
that the pie will increase because the competitive the competition

(47:17):
will increase, and the interest will increase. Right now, you've
got a third of baseball owners that are just punting.
They don't care about their payroll. They just want to
get the luxury tax from the more expensive teams. They
don't even spend it. And so so what there is
the difference between the the NFL and the and the

(47:38):
Major League Baseball professional sports. We are competing for your
interest in the realm uh. It is a service, and
it is an entertainment service. And we are competing against
Taylor Swift Inner concerts, right, rolling Stones in a concert.
What's different. I've been to the Stones in my favor.

(47:59):
I've been the same Stones concerts. I pretty much know
what I'm gonna get when I go to a Stones concert,
when I go to a baseball game. What's central to
that entertainment value is the uncertainty. It's the entertainment value
of two competitively matched teams. So this has been a
core tenet of the NFL for decades, even going back

(48:21):
to the to the fifties when the mayor is Wellington
Marrow was saying, no, the Packers are going to get
the same share of TV revenue as the Giants because
we have to have the entertainment value of two competitively
matched teams. So what I would argue to with a
modern baseball player is, look, you're at forty seven percent.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
You've always bragged.

Speaker 8 (48:40):
About how you're better than the NFL Union, and in fact,
most years you have been, But right now you're trailing
the NFL Union in terms of your percentage. Moreover, your
pie is too small. Your premier.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
Event.

Speaker 8 (48:57):
The World Series in this decade has less viewers than
the NFL's draft selection event. Like, think of that, And
so if I'm a baseball player, I'm saying, what would
possibly grow the popularity of baseball? What would grow the

(49:17):
popularity of baseball is increasing the parody and so that
all thirty teams and the fans of all thirty teams
view this as.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
A competitive league.

Speaker 8 (49:28):
Now you're gonna throw things out, Like for every stat
you can throw at me saying that there's parody about, well,
how many teams have made the World Series?

Speaker 6 (49:36):
What have you?

Speaker 8 (49:37):
I'll throw five or ten back in your face that
show that baseball is lagging way behind the NFL. Take,
for example, the top ten spending champions from nineteen ninety
eight to twenty twenty five. That's when we first had
the thirty teams in maje. In football, you only have

(50:00):
ten of twenty eight under thirty six percent of the
Super Bowl champions, we're in the top ten. In baseball,
it's seventy one percent. In terms of the correlation, if
you just like just base of Excel, write a column
for wins, write a column for payroll, and run a

(50:22):
correlation stat the NFL is point zero five zero. Think
of a baseball player with a batting average of zero
fifty fifty. The closer you are to zero, that's the closest.
That means irrelevant. That's like what color is the gator EIGHTE,
purple or red? It would have no correlation on winning.

Speaker 7 (50:41):
Remember that number anders zero fifty for the NFL, Sicksnyder.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Okay, yeah, right.

Speaker 8 (50:48):
Now, let's run the same correlation dollars to wins on
baseball five point fifty. So you go from zero fifty
in football to five fifty.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
So don't tell me that.

Speaker 8 (51:01):
Like again, you can cherry pick a stat and throw
it at me that say, oh, on baseball has been competitive,
my ass has been competitive compared to football because because
if you do find that one stat, trust me, I
got five or ten more to dunk on you. So
don't And what's the net takeaway? Football is far more

(51:21):
competitive in terms of and and is blind. The results
in football are blind to payroll. That's the assertion. The
numbers can support it in like a Rubik's cube, the top,
the bottom, the side, any side.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Well, okay, and here's the thing, like, not all salary
caps are created equal either like because like we all
know the NBA how the NBA salary cap works. The
luxury tax kicks in, and you know owners can spend
well past that to the double and triple as you
know all those numbers that it's been for. It's been
years obviously since the Sonics were here, but I mean,
I'm working in Portland for a number of years. I

(51:59):
remember we used to always laugh, like the salary cap
meant nothing to Paul Allen, right, Like I'll bring Scottie in,
I'll pay him in rashid and I'll go thirty million
over the cap, and I'll spend ninety million to go
thirty million over whatever it would be in the map.
So like that, I don't think the NBA cap works.
For example, it's a softcap versus a softcapp. Yeah, the

(52:19):
NHL cap is a funny one right now because it's
a hard cap. And I'm laughing because the guy that
just bought the Blazers, Tom Dunnan, noans in Carolina Hurricanes.
He's getting all this credit. Well, you know, he's spending
more money on hockey. The hockey salary cap is like
the NFL cap. Everyone's within a few million of the
ceiling like you're right there, right you you really it
would take some pretty big stones to say, hey, we're

(52:40):
gonna twenty three guys are gonna pay him a million each?
Did have a twenty three million dollar You're not gonna
do that, right, It's just not gonna happen. So you're
up to the cap. So for baseball to work, it
would have to be a similar cap to the NFL,
or even the NHL, a harder cap. Let me wrap
it up with this because I want to talk. We'll
bring it back the next Saven talk Mile Scarrett. This
is one thing we've talked about a lot. I would say, think, Hugh,

(53:01):
the rank and file, not the not the show. Heyo, Toddy, Yeah,
the rank and file. Wouldn't they want something that includes
a mandated floor of one hundred and seventy one million
where enters how many teams would have to come up.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
To that one seventy one.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
So what payroll number you look at?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Let's just use this for arguments sake.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Wouldn't the rank and file major league baseball player want
a floor where thirty percent of the teams would then
have to start paying more money?

Speaker 8 (53:30):
Absolutely, and by the way, it also for the if
you look at the just understanding the leverage. If I'm
if I'm in those Major League Baseball players union meetings,
I'm saying, I need to understand what do the owners
want the most? What what where's their leverage? What they
what they want the most is fixed costs. So now

(53:53):
if we're going to give them the fixed costs that
they want, Now, what's what's involved in in collective barg
It's called wages, terms hours, in terms of employment, wages, hours,
terms of employment. That's that's through all unions, in all
click to bargaining game. That basically includes everything. So now
you can start to say, okay, owners, we're gonna give

(54:13):
you your your salary cap, but we want this and
it might be you know, fewer days in training camp.
It might be more pension, it might be health insurance.
Like everything's on the table, right and so so minimum
salaries would be on the table. So so you're right,
they have to sort out. I mean John Elway didn't

(54:36):
want the salary cap, or excuse me, the franchise tag.
In fact, the franchise tag in the NFL is the
John Elway rule because Pat Bollen, the owner of the
Broncos said, hey, I all agree, finally agree to give
you players free agency, but I'm not signing any document
that gives me a chance to lose John Elway. So
thus was born the franchise tag one player, right like, So,

(54:59):
so this is how the negotiations go with this. You say, Okay,
this is important to us, that's important to you. Okay,
now where's our leverage? And so you can raise all
of this and so yes, the rank and file. Absolutely,
you think Johnny l Wait wanted the franchise tag. He'd
want to say, no, I want the.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Freedom that all you guys have.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (55:15):
But but the one sodos if you if you write
a collective bargain agreement that maybe doesn't favored one Soto
as much as he would like, or maybe you still
have the majority of the players that it doesn't. Again,
let me just focus on two things. We'll summarize it
like this. The players are at forty seven percent of

(55:36):
the pie. Now the owners are offing fifty percent. Well,
the NFL made a big deal about forty eight percent
to forty eight just point eight percent right to get
to seventeen games, to accept the seventeen games seas so
if you go three percent, that's a lot of money, right,
I mean you're going for every billion dollars you know,

(55:58):
you're you're going in instead of four underd and seventy million,
you get your you'r at five hundred million, right yeah,
So so so you've got that piece. And then that's
just the percentage of the pie. As I I'm trying
to argue, I absolutely believe in history can show it
that when you have this type of when you have
this type of constraints on h on uh uh, the

(56:23):
I should say, when you advocate for this type of parody,
then the pie gets bigger. So so I would say
to the players to your your percent is going to
get bigger of the pie, and the pie is going
to grow larger if you agree to this. And by
the way, while you're at it, fight like hell for
other the wages, hours and the hours in terms of employment,
everything else that might be important, because now is the

(56:44):
time whethy the owners are willing to give you that stuff,
the service time stuff. That's a perfect service.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Yeah yeah, and we'll cut it off there. But yeah,
the service time thing is the other part that I
just say, like, guys, six years in the bigs before
you're a true free agent.

Speaker 8 (56:56):
It's just absolutely you can fight for you get it
down to the three or four owners will give it
to you.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah if they get yeah, exactly if they get the cap.
All right, let's take a quick break. I'm gonna bring
you back. I gotta talk Miles Garrett with you and
the nightmare that he I know you guys, you were
almost lofting today. But for the folks that didn't hear it,
the nightmare that is coming to the la rams you.
Milling will continue with that coming up next.

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Speaker 1 (57:38):
All right, back to the Virginia Mason Athletic Center, OTAs
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Royal second your titand is going to join me around
two twenty today, So look forward to that biggest news
on in the NFL this week.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, A J. Brown got traded. We all knew that,
Thanks Diana, that was coming on June.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
First, The bigger story was on Monday, June first, when
you know the cap stuff kind of changes and all
that around and about. I was laughing, Hugh. On Monday,
Greg Bells on the air. In the course of eight
minutes on Monday morning in the ten o'clock hour, we
find out that Miles Garrett's a RAM and someone by

(58:13):
the last name of Gates is involved in professional sports
ownership in Seattle, probably with an NBA tied to it
as well. So it was a rather busy Monday. Let's
get to Let's get to Miles Garrett twenty three sacks
last season. His seventeen game average in his career is
sixteen sacks per season. The only one year has he
been under ten. That was his rookie season, only played
eleven games, had seven that season. Sacks aren't all there

(58:37):
is to a defensive end in a pass rushers game,
but those those sacks jump out, as do the two
time Defensive Player of the Year in the NFL. How
terrifying is this that the Rams are getting this dude.

Speaker 8 (58:49):
Well, you watch the tape and you just see exactly
what he is. I mean, he's a guy that's that's
already entrenched in Canton, and you know, these sacks are illuminating.
There's only four players in the history of the NFL
with over one hundred sacks at the age of thirty

(59:10):
or younger. Counting all those sacks, and the first three,
I want you to make a note of how tightly
clump they are.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Okay, TJ.

Speaker 8 (59:21):
Watt the one hundred and one, yep, Jared Allen with
one hundred and five. Reggie White is second on the
list with one hundred and eighty. Right, so seven separate
all three of them, right. Then from Reggie White at
one hundred and eight, you jump to Miles Garrett at
one hundred and twenty four and a half. Now, there's
been a couple of years where they've had seventeen games,

(59:42):
I guess, but that just shows you the dominance that
he's had. And so you're talking about a guy there
is not a classification of defensive ends that you can
present that he's not in.

Speaker 6 (59:57):
He's in the.

Speaker 8 (59:58):
Class with Reggie White, he's in the class with Deacon Jones,
he's in the class with Bruce Smith, right, And so
excuse me, there's that piece. And then when I throw
on the tape and I see, you know, first of all,
like his frame is incredible. He's a little is six
to four and a quarter, which is a little bit

(01:00:19):
over the median in height, but his arm length is
ninety fourth percentile. In fact, out of two one hundred
and three defensive ends last year with a sack, he
had the tenth longest out of two oh three. So
you see that on the tape where when he wants
to put his arms out and get into the chest
of a tackle, they can't reach him. He has the

(01:00:42):
highest jump vertical jump in the history of the combine
of any player over two hundred and seventy pounds forty
one inches. It's only three guys at forty. He's got
the highest forty one. His thirty three reps are in
the ninety fifth percentile. So what you say, well, you
don't jump on a football field. Yeah, but that's a
measure of his strength as explosion is he can lift

(01:01:05):
to hundred seventy pounds off the ground that high, right,
So so so those are combine numbers, and that's why
all the gms go to the combine because then when
you see the combine numbers and you throw on the tape,
you see the strength you see the the the burst,
the low man wins leverage and and then and then

(01:01:26):
as far as his Polish, at this juncture, he's got
a speed and he can turn the corner, he can
dip the soulder. He shows that repeatedly. Speed to power
is there, the bull rush off, the jump is there.
I described Ian this euro step, and we all.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Want to know about that. The second step you said
in the eurostep that he has.

Speaker 8 (01:01:49):
Yeah, yeah, well we know the euro step as an
NBA player is going down the lane like the big step,
and it looks kind of looks like traveling, but but
it never is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:58):
So what he'll do.

Speaker 8 (01:01:59):
He's a right end, by the way, he had the
highest percentage of right end. And by the way, we'll
talk about structurally and schematically how he fits in with
the rams, because there's an important point on that. But
remember right in so he comes off, he's going against
a left tackle. He's a high cut guy with a
high waisted, long leg, you know, and that generally from

(01:02:19):
a body composition standpoint, John Schneider said, body profiling is
a huge part of what we do. That's a direct quote.
And when you look at a high cut guy like
Miles Garrett. He takes a big lunch with his right leg,
which induces the left tackle to try and beat him
to the outside. He's worried about getting beat to the outside.
And then with his weight on his right foot, his

(01:02:43):
outside leg, he does like a crossover, big jump back
to the inside on his left foot into what's called
the b gap between the guard and the tackle, and
from there he can accelerate with that explosiveness that he has.
He did that what I just describedgainst Trent Williams for
a sack against Trent Williams, of course, the left tackle

(01:03:03):
for the forty nine ers, he's just as yeah, he's
just as Canton bounds as uh as Garrett is right.
And the NFL tabulated at two point three seconds to
the sack. That is extremely rare. In fact, where's my numbers?

Speaker 6 (01:03:20):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
I think that only thirty about thirty percent of all
NFL sacks are under three seconds. He he got to
purty in two point three and and and he did
that against Trent Williams who barely touched. And then and
then from that euro step that I described where I
said what he lunges with his right leg then back

(01:03:42):
to his left but then he can go back out
to his right, So it's like a zigzag. It's like,
let me leap to the right, leap to the left,
and then come back out to the right. So what
I'm trying to say is he has a bevy of
of moves that that in conjunction with his near perfect
athletic profile, his combine perfection right paired with his different

(01:04:09):
use now he doesn't have a spin move. I don't
think he's great with his hands. There's other defensive ends
that you know, they do a lot of offseason work
with martial arts training, you know of how to get
guys hand. So I don't see greatness in that regard.
He's just strong enough and and and quick enough and
accelerating enough that he doesn't need that and and and

(01:04:32):
I had mentioned. I'll wrap it up with what the
tape shows in this his first step I've seen I've
seen defensive ends that have a faster first step, and uh,
you know, Trayvon Walker for example, the number one overall pick,
you know, would be an example of that. So I

(01:04:52):
don't think his his first step is elite elite, but
once he gets his second step and second, third, and
fourth and fifth now all of a sudden, he's blazing
and uh and the speed is there, so he he
has everything you want and and uh, you know it's
it's it's for Charles Cross to have to deal with.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:05:13):
So I'm sure that he's uh, he's put a couple
extra reps in the weight room, uh over the last
couple of days, knowing that he's gonna have to go
against a U A a Hall of Fame wing of
the Hall of Fame type of defensive end. That's what
the Rams just acquired.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
In my opinion, I just got a couple of minutes left.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Let me ask you just for Seattle schematically, we care
about the Seahawks more than other teams, but for Seattle
schematically that you've talked a lot on hardcore football kind
of about the tighter formations and they'll play a lot
of two tight end sets for Seattle and stuff like that.
Is Garrett just the kind of guy you're just gonna
when you go into a game against the Rams, that
that Brian Flurry and and company are gonna have to
scheme against and and whether it's keeping a tight end

(01:05:53):
in there or whatever they do, you know to help
out Cross.

Speaker 8 (01:05:56):
Yeah, well, first thing, there's a little bit of a schematic. Uh.
I don't know about adjustment. I'm curious whether they make
the adjustment. But the Rams were more a three to
four team in base where where their defensive ends technically
are Bradon Fisk and Kobe Turner. Yeah, right, and and
and they had Jared versus an outside linebacker. Now, you know,

(01:06:18):
teams will typically, you know, particularly on third down, you know,
teams that were a three to four, they'll drop into
a forty and and and you'll put the guy's hand
on the ground or whatever, or he'll be acting as
a defensive end. But but structurally yet Miles Garrett almost
exclusively right end. In fact, he was what it was

(01:06:38):
a seventy nine seventy nine point six percent as a
right end. That was that was a number one in
the NFL as a percentage. And then snaps six hundred
and sixty four snaps at right end, that's number one
in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
So is Miles Garrett.

Speaker 8 (01:06:56):
You know, you're not going to ask Miles Garrett all
of a sudden to be an outside linebacker way Jared
Verse was on certain fronts. So I think that we
may see somewhat of a significant overhaul schematically from the
Rams just to accommodate Miles Garrett's talents and where he's best,
which is, you know, lining up as a four to
three in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Well, great news. Hopefully number ninety nine doesn't come back either.

Speaker 8 (01:07:21):
And I'm sorry I pause, but I don't think I
directly answered your question. I think that I think, like
we know this, the Sea Arks are going to have
a plan for how to help Charles Cross. Like they're
not gonna sit there and just you know, let Miles
Garrett wreck the game and just you know, throw in
the towel and say, well, Charles Cross can't block Miles Garrett,

(01:07:45):
so we're gonna lose today. They're gonna have a plan,
you know, They're going to try and slide and turn
the protection. So maybe Gray's abel will have a number
of reps where he's helping Charles Cross, you know, depending
on the front and if it's just a four man rush, uh,
that they can have tight end blocking.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:08:04):
They can have chip running backs chip, although that's that
can be a little bit of a of a gamble
because sometimes the running back just gums up the whole
situation for the tackle. But but, but certainly a tight
end to to elongate the edge so that he has
to be wider from the ball, so he's longer distance

(01:08:24):
to go to get to Sam Darnold, you put you
put a tight end on that side, just closed the end.
Uh that that can help just by alignment, even if
the tight end doesn't block him, just by alignment. So
there's some things you can do to try and and
uh alleviate some of this. But those those things have
been attempted against the Browns, and Miles Garrett has still uh,

(01:08:46):
you know, produced he was number one in the NFL
and sacks, of course, he was number one in the
entire league, not just ends in havoc plays, which is
tackles for loss, forced fumbles, interceptions, pass breakups, and sacks
he was number one, number two, and hits number four
and pressures. You know, he's a load, and the tape
shows it. And and for twenty twenty six, it's hard

(01:09:07):
to make an argument that the Rams didn't significantly help themselves.
Now yours twenty seven, and beyond all the contract, the
first round draft picks, all that, what they gave up,
we're up against it. We won't discuss that. So much
of that is obvious. But it's also obvious that the
Rams are a lot better today than they were a
week ago.

Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Four times last season, he didn't have a sack twice
against the Steelers. He might want to be watching those
Steelers game tapes and figure out what they did, right, Yeah,
all right, buddy, you're the best. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
So we'll have.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Johnny on tomorrow for that one. Yeah, we'll have him
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Fame as a broadcaster. I'm thinking, our guy, he needs
to go in there at some point. It must be
a log jam because Cuthber has been doing Hockey Head
Canada for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Yeah, I think he would think he would have been
in there for a while and I'm with I'm with
Greg Bell.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
It's all about the CBC broadcast for me and then
Stanley Cup Finals is so good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
They do such a great job. But I was actually
in the car.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
I left the gym and I was driving home and
I'm listening to the pre game show and the start
of the broadcast here on KJR with Johnny and Ed
Edzo's interviewing Gary Betman. Had a one along Gary Betman, Wow,
all died. The commissioner bust at his chops, like nobody's business.
It was since we'll ask Johnny about it. It was sensational.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Ed Zoe was rich.

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
He was on his heels.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
That's the first time I've ever seen him like that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
I couldn't. I was flumbing spied. I was like, what
are we doing here?

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Yeah he was.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
He was chure, but I wish him a happy birthday.
And the commissioners having none of that, He's like, no,
it was ninety three, not ninety four.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
And I was like, oh whatever. It was good.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
It was good stuff. It was great they're broadcast is
the Having those two guys on the radio for the
stay CA files on our station is just awesome. Is
absolutely fantastic. So Game two tomorrow, that's a big one
for Carolina. They got a you don't want to fall
behind two oh at home. And that's a thanks tips
moment by me.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
But but it's true that that. I mean, you have
all of the pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
I mean, first time, you know, Montreal won Game one
of the Eastern Conference Finals in Carolina Anders. Yeah, and
Elliott Freeman said it last night on the broadcast. I
think he says this, It felt different last night. Montreal
won that game, but they were badly outplayed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Yeah, and it was like kind of a rusty Carolina
team that had been waiting for Montreal to win their
game seven after sweeping the Carolina was firing in all
cylinders last night and they still lost.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
They when you come out and boom what nothing, boom
to nothing. Listen. Carter Hart is a polarizing figure, There's
no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
The goalie for the Vegas Golden Knights. He was part
of the Hockey Canada scandal, the trial that ended last year.
He got another there's a non guilty verdict, and everyone
has their own way to judge him guilty, not guilty.
Did did something bad? Did something morally? Like we you know,
you can judge all all that stuff off the ice.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
That's that's a you thing. I'm not gonna worry about that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Now where from a hockey standpoint, like little rattled early on, Yeah,
and then made a save on a breakaway to keep.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
It to nothing, and that I thought was the play
of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
Yes, so there and and so the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Former silver tip goalie gets the win, and now they're
three wins away from a title. It's kind of the
series that a lot of people are like, I don't
know who I want to win. Carolina's got il Chipo
as an owner, Vegas is well, we just talked about
Vegas is just Vegas, right, so and Carter Hart fact,

(01:14:13):
there's a lot of people rooting against him. So that
makes for a fun series. Though, That makes for a
fun series that's you daily powerful like Forsut is going
to join us tomorrow. We'll talk to him about the series.
We also spend some time talking about what's going on.
I got one other note for you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
In the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
NHL, there's a story coming out of Vancouver today that
the Canucks are looking at possibly hiring Jessica Campbell for
many Mahultra's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:36):
Staff with the Canucks. I'm assuming with his staff, not
with the HL team at habits for me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
There's also a thing coming out that Patrick Alvin who
was the GM, although he kind of worked more under
Jim Rutherford who was the president. And this wasn't a
this wasn't a hey, he's the president's and but he's
just kind of looking at bigger picture stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Ron Francis president last year. This is Brotherford kind of
ran the show with Alvin sidekicking. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
There's talk about Patrick Alvin coming to Seattle, like kind
of a weird trade off there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Yeah, those two. If that happens, I will ask John
about that. To moy okay, okay, that's your daily power playing.

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Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
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Speaker 6 (01:16:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
But this is a little different table to do a
short segment here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Then we got we'll have a we'll check the text
messages in the next segment right before as we wait,
basically to say right before, as we wait for Elijah Arroyal,
the second.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Year tied end for the Seahawks out of the University
of Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
It was banged up a little bit last season, but
I kind of probably expecting to see him take a
significant step forward this season, especially of health.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
I mean, A J.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Barner did that last year, and I would expect to
see maybe that same thing with with the Royal met
the second year guy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
All the talent in the world get a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Of reps right now because Barner's coming off some stuff
I did the Okay, I'm gonna be this is I'm
not trying to be that guy. I forget what do
they call it the Seahawks one series? Yeah in the
morning is that what they call it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
I think? So?

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Yes, okay, I want to make sure I'm one player
every day during Yes, yes, okay, So I did this
morning with Chuck, and I took a J.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Barner. I picked a like that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Now, in fairness to me, like there's like two thirds
of the roster was was unavailable for me to take.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Well, because once one analyst takes them, it's like, okay,
I gotta But it is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
Fun, like I I actually goes who do you want?

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
And I went it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
I said who was available?

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
But I like doing the Barner thing because and you know,
we just talked a lot about Miles Garrett.

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
You know, a J.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Barner look at look at this was one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Of the sneaky best picks John Schneider has had in
his time in Seattle. And listen there's guys that are
going to maybe go to the Hall of Fame that
were Day three picks. Richard Sherman, Right, your first, your
first MVP in the your first Super Bowl MVP. Malcolm
Smith was a seventh round pick. Obviously, what camp where

(01:19:13):
Cam went? So many guys over the years, we all
know what he's done. This is how sneaky good the
AJ Barner pick was andres he was.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
There were twelve tight ends taken that year. In twenty
twenty four, A J. Barner was the seventh of the
twelve and a Day three pick. A J. Barner is
the number two tight.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
End in terms of offensive production in the two years
since then. The guy that's number one is you might
have heard of him thirteenth overall, Brock Bowers.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, I have heard of him.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
Yes, good at football, Yeah, pretty good when he's healthy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Yeah, it depends unless you were on ians fantasy team
last year.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Which he was, and he was hurt often.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
But all kiddings, I had brought bars one hundred and
seventy six receptions, eighteen hundred yards and twelve touchdowns. Barner's
number two interceptions with eighty two among tight ends in
that draft. He's number three in terms of yards seven
to sixty four, but within fifty of the number two
guy that could out with the Giants, and number two
by a long shot. With ten touchdowns in two years,

(01:20:18):
most of them coming last season. Played seventy eight percent
of the snaps last year, Seahawks lead the league. Led
the league last season with an average of seven point
five yards per play when they were playing with twelve
personnel which is a running back and two tight ends,
which they did a lot that. By the way, seven
point five yards per play with twelve twelve personnel fifth

(01:20:38):
best mark by any team in the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
Last decade in the NFL. Wow, So they had success
with twelve. He played all the time. And oh, by the.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
Way, can we forget we can't forget about the barnyard.
No ten rushing attempts last season for AJ Barner, nine
first downs.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
That's a night.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
And I I'm not sure if the one carry didn't
result in a first down or they didn't need I
don't know what the one carry was, because he had
ten carries for fourteen yards. Yeah, but nine first downs,
let's just say they were nine of ten. That's a
ninety percent clip wazoo math.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I'll take that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
I believe that the Tush push was in the seventies
last year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
So you're saying the Barnyard's better than the Tush.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Push, I'm one hundred percent saying got it all right, No,
I'm not saying that. Well, but you know, the Barnyard
one was weird because or not the Barnyard the Tush Push.
They listen and everybody who's got a fantasy every fantasy
player knows this because you either.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
Had Jalen Hurts, went against Jalen Hurts, whatever. Right, So
we watched it a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
They used it a lot like midfield two plus yards
to like they I thought they got a little cocky
with it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah they did, you know, I think they got a little.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
And then the n with it is what you're saying,
little little sirianni ish, and I think they also the
NFL started doing a little not a great but there
was a little improvement in terms of how they officiated it, right,
like they started kind of looking and the bar and
you know it's different, you know, because I was talking

(01:22:20):
about that with Chuck this morning. You know, with the Barnyard,
that's a guy that used to taking a snap.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Right, he's a tight end.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
And I know he played college or high school quarterback,
not college but high school. But whatever, it's you're not
used to taking that snap. And I now they do
practice it, it's after we're already kicked out of practice
during the regular season, so I don't know how many
times he's practicing taking snaps from Sundell or Old the
Timmy or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
But like that's a big part of it, the whole
timing part of it. But that thing worked.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
But just as a tight end, I mean, the guy
he when he was drafted on that day three and
we're talking to Rang, i'member thinking, well, you know, he's
kind of like his numbers in college were not extraordinary,
like offensively not like a Royal, Like his tape didn't
jump off the page, going oh, this guy dynamic tied end.
We're gonna talk to that guy in Elijah Royal in
a minute. But but Barner has really developed into a

(01:23:10):
guy that they can trust. In the past game I
got about I think it was seventy seven percent of
his pass could catch rate last year pretty good. And
and obviously the blocking part and what they do with
twelve personnel, how they're gonna want to run the football.
They you know, they throw at a lower rate than
most teams.

Speaker 6 (01:23:26):
A J.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Barner not only was it, I mean he's a sneaky
good draft pick by Schneider and kind of flies into
the radar in terms of like a really important player
for this football.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
And I'm gonna give you a comp And I'm curious
because I know that he's not to this guy's level yet,
but I think he has the potential to get there.
Can he be a George Kittle because another Day three pick. Yeah,
blocks and catches, kind of does everything.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Don't think I don't think he's as athletic gifted. Okay,
the one I used this morning with with Chuck was
Mark Andrews. Oh ok, I like that I could see
now listen and Chuck brought up to drop. Okay, Mark
Andrews had a drop significant one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Yes, a significant one, significant one end of their season.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
But Mark Andrews is a hell of a tight end.
Like a hell of a tight Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
I would say I think that just I mean, God,
if he turns into ninety percent of Kittle, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
I just take talking skill set again. I'm not saying
I know he's not to the production level.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
You know what he does do he plays Barner plays
with the kittle attitude.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking as well, like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
Very like very I mean boisterous vocal, Yeah, just toughest nail.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
And I mean I think you could just look at
that tight end tandem him in a Royal and you
know whether it's color Upper or Salbert. I mean you're one,
two and then three slash four like really good tight
end group, like really good. And it's such an upgrade
for like the Noah fan thing never worked, doubt he
never was a for whatever reason, and a couple of

(01:25:04):
quarterbacks through was never a red zone guy for some reason.
Strange in that regard. But yeah, I can see the kill.
I told Chuck this morning, and I truly believe this.
Yeah that I think if if if the group there
from HBO decides to do it the right way, this

(01:25:24):
guy could be a star, like for the for the
hard knocks, like an absolute flat out star.

Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
And if they don't just go for name value and
guys who like maybe could turn into stars if they
would have a little bit more camera.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Time because they usually do a pretty good job of
doing that. Yeah, you know, not just going for a
guy because of his name. Sure usually do a pretty
good job of of like like and if they and
they'll I'm sure they'll go through this, you know, talk
to the Seahawks guys and say, like, who's a guy,
Who's who should we talk to?

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Who's Who's a dude? Barner's got to be at the
top of the list, I mean just absolutely top of
the list.

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Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
All right, we will be joined in just a moment
by Elijah Arroyo. The Seahawks tight end practice just wrapping
up here at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center where we're
hanging out today. Get some text here four nine four
five one. By the way, Anderson is sensational. Tell people
what you just sent me?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Oh my god.

Speaker 6 (01:27:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
So MLB just posted a picture of Victor Wominyama holding
a baseball and it is exactly as freaky as you
would expect. Please just do yourself a favor. Go to
Twitter and go to MLB's like Twitter page. It's it's
it looks like he's holding like the mini plushy baseballs
that you give kids.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
It's crazy. I mean, god, we're all we're all fans
of his right now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Oh yeah, we're all.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
We're all fans.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Jackson Felts has spot one of his jerseys, did he?

Speaker 6 (01:27:56):
Yeah, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
What that that that afternoon and show. They love buying
shirts and jerseys from teams in aren't Seattle. But if
they but if they've done something to help settle.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Exactly right, Softy always gets the uh the T shirt
of whoever's playing Oregon in the colleg football playoff. Right, Yeah,
but there was some other stuff too. I just yeah,
that's all. It's fun, good time.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
All right, let's read some text four nine four five one.
I'm gonna start with this one. Hang on second, hang on,
hang on, hang on, hang on. Not all heroes wear capes.
Hugh isn't the baseball voice we wanted, But damn is
he the voice that all of us steam heads needed?

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Yeah? Hey, Hugh, pay the man love that, absolutely love that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
I didn't really like that conversation because it take behind
the scenes. I actually texted him when we brought this
up with Joe right by the way, with love a
discussion between Joe and Hugh regarding MLB labor.

Speaker 4 (01:28:52):
That would be that would be an.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
All timer, that would be that would be something.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Yeah, But I I knew he had Ben's somewhat involved
with the PA in the NFL right in his time,
So I just wanted his perspective because like, he's a
player's first guy. But I thought I remembered him saying
that he's like he's a pro salary cap guy, and
he articulated it very well how it would actually most
likely benefit the players in.

Speaker 4 (01:29:15):
The long term.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
I think the problem is not the problem the because
someone someone wrote this in forty five. Fu, I've always
believed this, and you said it better than I ever have.
All boats all boats rise when the seas rise. You know,
part of it is the part of it is the uh,
the amount of the split in terms of you know,

(01:29:36):
like k I know in hockey hockey related income, right,
they're talking about that all the time, right, So you
got that you've got all these different ones coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
So uh and the raise to fifty percent isn't nothing
like he said that there was a there was qualms
about the point eight percent that the NFL moved up,
and this would raise the revenue sharing amongst the MLB.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Well, yeah, the revenue share one thing. I think.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
The other part of it too is the basement in
the in the floor, I think has to be something
you consider, yes, right, it has to be part of
the equation. And the problem with some of these now,
guys that make a ton of money oftentimes have the
most juice, yes, right, the bigger names, the ones that

(01:30:23):
are getting paid and.

Speaker 4 (01:30:24):
So on and so forth.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
But the rank and file, you know, the guys that
are making the league minimum or just over that or
have to go fight for arbitration. You know, baseball has
the arbitration stuff, and you got to go basically present
your case that you should be paid more and all
those things.

Speaker 3 (01:30:40):
Right, those guys are like those guys, you know, they
want it. And here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
If thirty percent of the teams are below the basement
right now, then if that's the case, well those guys,
think about all those players, thirty twenty five guys on
a team. Do the math, there's a whole bunch of
guys not getting right that would get at least more.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Well along the way. Not just that, but Hugh actually
talked about this in the break between the two segments
because I was kind of picking his brain a little
bit more can you have like just general there's no
stats to back this up, but just in a general sense,
it feels like in baseball, the percentage of the best
players in the league that are actually getting paid like
the best players feels very low. Like you got a

(01:31:24):
lot of guys before they hit free agency that are
just stealing money from or sorry, the the owners are
stealing money from those players because they're worth so much
more than they're getting paid. And like the NFL isn't
necessarily batting a thousand in that because you still got
players on the rookie contracts that are one of the
best players in the NFL, but it's more so than

(01:31:44):
the Mariners Mariners MLB. Right, Yeah, So, I just as
a player, I would always want the best players to
get paid the most and then the not as good
players to get paid less. And that feels like the
balance is not there for baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
I was like, that's at our percentages. A lot of
guys I think with baseball too yearly a show he's
making this Aaron Judge, sure, mad like all the Yeah,
but there's also a whole you know what, there's a
whole lot.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Of in this league, a whole lot of Dom Canzon, yes, exactly,
a whole lot of time, and a whole lot of
middle relievers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Now it's changing slightly because you're seeing cases like Colt
Emerson right where you pay him before he even gets
here because you know he's going to be good. There's
there's been two of those this year, right, Yes, him
and Kevin McGonagall.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Right, there's been two of those this year.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
Uhise the Rams acquisition demonstrate Mike's genius. We play them
two times for sure. It might be Oh and O
all the time who invested in a significantly better at
special teams.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
Not worried Hawks fan here. The Rams did.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Well, they change their special teams coach. But I thought
it was a great point Palizola made that in the
noon hour, that what was the difference last year?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Special teams?

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
Special teams?

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Yeah, and and as he mentioned, he thinks he thinks
that Seattle's got a deeper roster.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Yeah, and Matt comes into play, and it's not just
like it's not just like the talent, it's that's great,
greater than the sum of the parts sort of.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
You're the best example of that is look what happened
the forty nine ers. So now they lost key guys,
but they like you just I mean outside of one game.
Tar just wasn't going to replace.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Kittle, right, God, I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (01:33:21):
And they're one they're one Christian McCaffrey Achilles away from
really being in or Trent Williams or Nick Bosa.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Trent Williams is amazing. Let's just still I don't know, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
He was drafted in twenty twelve, same was Russ.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
He was Trent Williams came into the league when all
this all the lob guys who are now all retired
outside of Bobby Wagner did yeah right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Think about that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
This left tackle by the way.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Yes, yes, uh was the one yard one barnyard rushed?
Now a touchdown, which is why it wasn't firs no
touchdown A first down, spy, Yeah, a first Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
So but I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
I'll be honest with you guys, I'm not, Hugh, I'm
not gonna go watch every snap.

Speaker 6 (01:34:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
We we're happy that we have someone who does that. No,
that's why we have Hughes exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
I don't. I don't, I'm not. I'm not going one
of the coaches tape. What am I going to see
on that outside of just trying to chart that actually
play right?

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
That is really digging into the weeds, right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
I mean, that's that's what we're doing at that point.
What did you guys think about the no means no
chan Carolina last night? To Carter Hart, you know what,
I have a problem with it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
I mean, you're gonna find ways to root against the
team you're facing in the finals, right right?

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
Yeah, Hey, I'm now maybe it has come up before
in the previous series.

Speaker 3 (01:34:50):
I don't know, but I would be.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:34:52):
I'd be surprised. In fact, I'd be really surprised if
you hadn't heard that before.

Speaker 4 (01:34:56):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
I thought he looked rattled early.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
I thought he he looked rattled when they announced that
the lineups, Like they announced both teams starting lineups, and
he announced it when they announced him. And he's kind
of doing the old goalie skate from the crease to
the corner and back.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
I thought he looked because as soon as they you
couldn't even hear in goal number seventy nine, car You
couldn't even hear that, right, They were booing so bad
and so on top of him. So I thought he
looked a little rattled early. He needed to get that saved,
ye to keep it to nothing, and he was better
at that point. But h and now he's got through
the first game, be fine. But if I if I'm

(01:35:33):
a Carolina fan, hell yeah, man, I'm chanting that thing
all day. I'm channing that all day long.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
So anything, yeah, all right? The bhiler two five three,
This just in spurs tattoos up four hundred and sixty
nine percent in the Seattle market for the month of June.

Speaker 6 (01:35:47):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
I love it all right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
We we live here in nine three point three KJFM
at Seahawks Headquarters, Virginia Mason Athletics Center. And I went
to a whole season last year. I'm not sure if
he came on KJR. Maybe he did with another show,
but oin now by second year, tight end from the
I'm sorry from the U.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
So how I say there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
All right, Elijah Royal joint is right now, number eighteen
for the Seahawks.

Speaker 4 (01:36:09):
How are you doing great? How about you?

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
I'm good, healthy, dude. How good is it to be healthy?
We're watching you out there. You're looking good.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
How you feeling, man, it's great.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
It was a little tough last year at times. You
banged up at the end of the year. I think
you kind of banged up a lot during the course
of the year. I mean, that's that's hard, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
Yeah, I mean it's something that comes with the game.
It's kind of part of it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Yeah, let's talk about what last year was like. Because
you did come back and you did get you get
a bunch of snaps and a little thing called the
Super Bowl? What was last year like as a rookie
culminating in that?

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
Man, I feel like just the result of the season,
like it just felt so rewarding, just with how long
the season was, and you know, everything that we went
through both as a team man individually, there's just so
many ups and downs and going from a thirteen season
game and least to going to what do we have

(01:37:02):
twenty one twenty two games?

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
Seventeen plus three, so twenty right, Yeah, yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
That was a bit of a roller coaster, but it
was great.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
That's an interesting I haven't heard guys talk about that
a lot, but that is something because we're talking about
in college going to expanding the playoffs. So now you
go from twelve games and maybe you play two or
three playoff games, and now all of a sudden, add
another one. You might be up to sixteen or seventeen.
That's that's hard on the body, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:30):
Oh yeah, definitely. It'll take a toll line you. But
you just got to, you know, figure out a way
to take care of your body, figure out a routine,
what works for you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:39):
What was we were talking earlier, We were doing a
segment on our station about just guys were watching this year,
and I brought up AJ Barner for for us for
the show that for the segment that I had to do,
and I was looking at year one to year two
with Aj. You weren't here year one, but you were
here with him last year. The leap he took in
terms of being involved in the offense and production and

(01:38:02):
all those things, it was night and day. And we
see that all across the league.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
With the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
What do you expect from yourself this year? Because I
think there's when you got drafted. I'm gonna tell you
right now, when you got drafted. We were upstairs in
the defensive meeting room, people watching the tape. They're like,
look out, this guy's gonna be special again. Little banged
up last season, coming into new things. What kind of
steps forward? What kind of leap do you think you're
gonna take this year?

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
Uh? Yeah, I just want to look better on film
than I did last year. Overall, want to be you know, stronger, faster.
I feel like the game has slowed down a little
bit for me. I want to continue to hone in
on the details when it comes to just the playbook
and just watching film.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
I say that a lot about like the game slows
down the second year. You're coming from a hell of
a program, like probably professionally run program in a lot
of ways in college. But how different is playing at
Miami and playing in the NFL? I mean, or what
are the differences? It's a lot different. You know, Green
Tree has special place in my heart. You know them

(01:39:02):
practices were always tough and we had a lot of talent,
you know, on that field. But NFL practices, you know,
you got guys at every position that can you know,
go at all times. Every guy was All League, every
guy was All Conference, every guy was the dude, right,
That's probably that's probably a little bit of the difference.

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
The speed of the game. How different is it?

Speaker 4 (01:39:23):
I would say, I like talking to the talking about
this to some of my friends, like, the transition from
college to the NFL is a lot easier than high
school to college.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Okay, because I've asked people that before. What's what's what's
harder being a twelfth grader than a freshman in college
or a senior in college or your last year in
college and being a rookie in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Yeah, I would say being a rookie in the NFL
is definitely not a lot easier. But as far as
game speed, you adjust to it quicker and uh like
you can go in you know we one and be like, okay,
I can I can hang with these dudes that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:03):
Tight end room When I look at it, I mentioned
aj what he's able to do. You guys all have
kind of different skill sets in a sense, like in
terms of strengths and body.

Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
Types and everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
But you aj nick Eric that that group, how do
you guys work together because you're competing for snaps, you're
competing for time. Now, you guys do play a lot
of twenty one, So that's good, like and you know,
like compared to some other teams in the NFL. But
what's that room like in terms of competition and also camaraderie.

Speaker 3 (01:40:32):
We love it.

Speaker 4 (01:40:32):
I mean we all you know, I feel like all
of our talents complement each other, and we all still
like it's a competition, but we're all striving to make
each other better because you know, if the room is great,
you know, then I feel like we're kind of the
heartbeat of the offense sometimes. So if we can get
our room going and we set the tone and we
have energy at all times, it just makes the whole

(01:40:55):
offense so much better.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
If I say that that I thought at times you
were a better blocker than you got credit for coming
into the league, would you agree?

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
Definitely?

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Does that bother you when you hear people say, oh,
he's a pass catcher, he's a six y five, two
hundred and fifty pounds wide receiver playing tight end. But
you know, the other part of the game, like does
that because I'm you hear that, you hear that coming
when you're coming out of college going to the draft,
That's what that would be. The one criticism of you,
does that bother you? Is that it incentive for you?
What do you think when you hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
I'm not really worried about that, worried about any type
of outside noise. I think I just want to prove
myself right.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Yeah, I watched last week. I was in here doing
the show most of the day today. But with Aj
kind of banged up, you're getting a lot of reps
out there. How's your How do you feel like year
or two with you and Sam is going right now?

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
I feel really good. I feel like we've built a
lot of chemistry just having a whole year of reps
under our belt and just continuing to stack those reps
every day. You know, It's it's been vital.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
What's what's he like?

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
Because he comes across when we watch him, you see
some guys that are fiery, they're out of control, they're
yelling and screaming as quarterbacks and raw raw and the thing.
He just looks like a dude that if you go
in the huddle, never too high, never too low. But
what's he like from you guys as a.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Teammate exactly that he's a he's a chill dude, great leader.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
What I love about him he's always poised, like, no
matter what happens, he always has the next play mentality
and uh, he never lets you know, any any type
of circumstance affect him.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
How important is that to have your leader in your court?
Because there are something Hey, I want a wrong, wrong guy.
But how important is it to have a guy that
is just on that even keel, Because in the course
of an NFL game, right, you're gonna have ups, You're
gonna have hell, He's had that. I think that's the
thing that jumps out of me with him is he
can throw a couple picks or do something you're like,
and it doesn't see, at least outwardly for us watching
in the press box or on TV, it doesn't seem

(01:42:42):
to affect him. You're telling me he doesn't really affect
him either in terms of the huddle on the sideline.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
Yeah, I'm telling you the exact same thing. That's all
you see is what I see. That's which which that
just has to give you guys, a ton of confidence.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We always know we're in the game.
You know, we have Sam in the huddle. We're good.

Speaker 1 (01:42:57):
You you lose a guy in ken Walker the Bowl MVP,
but you gain a number one pick in Jadarian Price.
You got other guys Hailani and some other dudes Jakarti,
a Wright and those types of guys. When you you're
watching them run by you. Nobody can hit anybody right now.
But what do you see from the kid? What do
you see from from from the first round pick.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
I'm excited for him. I think he has a very
bright future.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
And uh and that's I'm gonna actually take us as
a Miami guy talking about a Notre Dame guy. So
I do realize I did that to you right now? Okay,
so I'll let you go again. What do you think
about the kid from Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (01:43:28):
You know now that he's here, you know, he's my teammate.
I love him, I respect him, and uh, you know,
I think he's gonna have a great career.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Here, give me another guy, second year guy. Maybe you know,
young guy that you think much like yourself is going
to have that boom second year leap. That's gonna just
all of a sudden, people, Maybe people aren't Seahawk fans
aren't talking about him, media is not talking about him.
Give me another guy, maybe either from your draft class
or maybe somebody that you think is gonna jump out.

Speaker 4 (01:43:57):
I'm gonna go with Riley Moves. I think he's gonna
have a really good year this year.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Are you sure you're not a notre dame guy? Do
you know you're saying you guys aren't gonna like that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
And we really don't take him as a threat. You know,
we beat him last year, so it's cool. They not
our rear arrival.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Okay, so he's a d lineman, so you gotta go
get some in practice. We didn't see him much and
then all of a sudden, it's like, that's a Super
Bowl sack. That's a Super Bowl sack. This dude just
gott what is about Rilly.

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
That you like?

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
Man? Just how he came in you know, he came
in injured, but just the mentality that he has, because
I would say, when you injured. I've had a lot
of injuries as well throughout my college career and even here,
but uh, I feel like just to be mentally poised
and stay in it and to be able to come
out mid season and hit the ground running like he did.

(01:44:44):
Like I'm just excited to see what he's gonna do
with a full season.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
I think Seayork fans are excited to see what you're
gonna do in a full season as well. And stay
off that other little list that they put you on.
This we don't care about that. Stay off of that.
Stay healthy all year. Year two is gonna be a
big one for you. That tied in in room as
the wait for it, defending Super Bowl champions.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
How does that sound?

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
That sounds great?

Speaker 3 (01:45:05):
Yeah, you see it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
You see some other teams that you know, it sounds
better back to back. Oh that sounds okay, that sounds
a lot better.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
You know, there's teams in this division that are trying
to go out and they're desperately trying to beat you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
I don't know if you've noticed that. There's like a
trade the other day. Do you notice that one? Do
you guys talk about that trade at all?

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
Not really?

Speaker 3 (01:45:23):
But you know, when you we don't care, is this
we don't is this a Mike McDonald, We don't care exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
When when you hunt, you hunt everybody. You need to
you become the hunted, don't. Yeah, that's how it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
We don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
Good to meet you. Finally, Elijah Royal number eighteen for
your Seahawks. You're gonna see him on the field and
doing some big things this season. We'll take a quick break,
come back and wrap up the show next night. Three
point three km.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
Alrighty then already, then where are you today? Are you today?

Speaker 6 (01:46:01):
I'll give you one guess. I won't tell you where
I'm at, but I'll give you a hint. And Ryan
is what Emmy's Where do you think I am? Jimmy?
I was out here with the my buddy Naton from Bellevue,
rare coins, taking a little day baseball nice, watching the
Man news, watching the Mets.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
And do sound like that was a pleasant experience?

Speaker 6 (01:46:24):
No, no, no, not so far today. I mean, you know,
I got some time. But yeah, that was the fourth
inning today. That was a disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
But anyway, yeah, speak speaking speaking of Jimmy's For those
who didn't hear it, I believe it was last Friday
you had kJ.

Speaker 6 (01:46:40):
On right, the j Roth the GM correct. I did not.

Speaker 1 (01:46:45):
Realize until you had them on last week. What an
absolute gong show this thing is gonna be in terms
of traffic right with with FIFA, like, help help me out.
I'm gonna try to sum it up. Basically, on a
game day, starting at two am, every street in the
radius of a mile or so of the stadiums shut down.

Speaker 6 (01:47:08):
I don't know about the mile. All I know is
that if it's a twelve o'clock kickoff, right, and most
of the games I think right anders are twelve o'clock
kickoffs at Lumenfield. Yes, I'm sorry Seattle.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
Stadium, sir, that it would be Seattle Stadium, that Lumenfield
is no longer exist.

Speaker 6 (01:47:23):
Not Loomenfield. By the way, I was driving north on
ninety nine today coming in here and I look across
the street to what used to be lumen Field and
the lumen is blocked out. It just says Field Field.
So we're gonna get together at field for the World
Cup if it's if it's a twelve o'clock kickoff from
Edgar to Yesler thinking what the south side of T

(01:47:47):
mobile to like ed Japioneer square right right first average
south shut down completely starting at eight am, shut down
totally during the game, shut down for two hours after
the game. So from eight and let's say five o'clock
at night, right, First average South is closed, can't park
on first Average South, can't drive on first Average South. Uh,

(01:48:08):
there's a USA Australia game I think at noon, and
the Mariners play the Red Sox at seven o'clock that night. Yes,
so that's gonna be what we like to call a
c effort that day. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
I looked at the Mariners sent a thing out, an
email out kind of explaining their side of like here's
how you navigate things.

Speaker 6 (01:48:29):
And can't use the garage all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
I'm reading through it and I'm like, I'm lost.

Speaker 6 (01:48:34):
Like I just I think there's an easy thing for
a lot of people to do. If you're not a
big soccer fan, just stay away, don't come down, right
I mean, I mean if you go to the Boston
game on that Friday night, that could be potentially problematic.
You know, getting down here early. The bars are gonna
be packed, the streets are gonna be filled. Parking is
gonna stink. If you own a lot that's just south

(01:48:54):
of Edgar and just north of Yesler, those might be
able to retire.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
As I think the I think the highest one I've
ever seen is one hundred and ten dollars. Right, we're
gonna go past that, aren't we?

Speaker 6 (01:49:07):
Probably? Yeah, that's where you got to get like three
or four buddies in the car with you and just
pop in twenty bucks apiece.

Speaker 4 (01:49:12):
And yeah do that?

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
Are you going into games? Are you gonna go to the.

Speaker 6 (01:49:16):
I don't have any plans for now, but I'm sure
I'll find my way into one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
Didn't you fly this? Where'd you go?

Speaker 6 (01:49:21):
Where'd you go on South Africa?

Speaker 3 (01:49:23):
Like last minute?

Speaker 1 (01:49:24):
Right sixteen years ago? Yeah, like last minute, you jumped
in a plane, jumped on a plane and went to
was that with your buddy iver?

Speaker 6 (01:49:30):
Yeap one day's notice, One day's notice calling in from
South Africa on Wednesday and instead, if you can take
it down here by Saturday, I have an extra ticket
for the USA Ghana game in Pretoria. Got so I talked.
I talked to rich Moore and I was like, he's
like all right, go And so I jumped on the
web and went to Expedia. I paid thirty five hundred dollars, which,

(01:49:53):
by the way, sixteen years ago was a lot of money.
It still is a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (01:49:58):
It's still a lot of money.

Speaker 6 (01:49:59):
Imagine five sixteen years ago, right, Yeah, do the inflation
on that one. And I flew from here to Atlanta,
Atlanta to Lagos, Nigeria. I spent ten hours in the
Lagos airport, and then they went to South Africa and
I spent three days there and I came home.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
That'd be about fifty three hundred dollars today.

Speaker 6 (01:50:16):
Yeah, yes, what was it?

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
What was ten hours in the Nigerian airport?

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
Like very nerve wracking, is I was gonna say that
had to be a nerve racking Yeah. Yeah. They don't
like you walking around the airport. They don't like you
walking around outside the airport. They actually take your passport,
or they did sixteen years ago to kind of keep
an eye on you. So there was about thirty of
us on our flight that were transferring to Johannesburg, and
they grabbed all of our passports and they put him

(01:50:41):
in a plastic bag and literally took off. And so
I had about, like, you know, five ten minutes where
this basically military personnel, I don't know who he was,
some kind of soldier had my passport and I did
not have my passport in the Lagos, Nigeria airport, and
I was scared as hell.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
That is unnerving as hell, man, like I'm forty, that
is massively unnervous.

Speaker 6 (01:51:03):
Yeah, god, yeah, I was able to walk outside the
airport just for a couple of minutes with an escort,
uh to uh to go, just take a look around
and say that I saw Nigeria look like from outside
the airport.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Did you say to yourself, boys, should you like to
come back here someday?

Speaker 8 (01:51:17):
No?

Speaker 6 (01:51:18):
I never said that. I never said that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Yeah, oh god, oh my goodness.

Speaker 6 (01:51:25):
Remember looking across the street from the airport and there
was uh, what turned out to be a mosque. And
I asked the guy that I was with, I said,
what's that over there? He says, that's a mosque and
I said, oh, whatever, that's nice. And he looked at
me and he said, uh with dead pan, he said,
are you Christian or Muslim?

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Oh god?

Speaker 6 (01:51:41):
And I said, you know what if if I admit
to this guy that I'm Jewish, I don't know the
rules here.

Speaker 3 (01:51:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's I don't know what you're coming Christian?

Speaker 6 (01:51:51):
Yeah, I think I said I was Christian. And it
was the right answer.

Speaker 1 (01:51:57):
The best part about that you knew the wrong ad.
You the wrong answer was your your actual religion. You're
religiously Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:52:04):
And I don't know. I don't know if the guy
was just playing with me or what. You know what,
I don't get a foreign country like that. You've never
been there, You have no idea what the hell you're doing.
You know everything everything, You're magnified, right, you're on.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
Edge as you're telling me these stories. Passport taken. I
don't think sense of humor is a strong suit. No,
that place, I don't think that's one of the Luckily.

Speaker 6 (01:52:24):
Luckily, I was able to make make make buddies with
a guy on the flight from the Atlanta to Legos
who was like a big, big wig VIP with South
African Airways, and he got us into their lounge on
the airport. Yeah, the South African Airways lounge is like
a hotel. They've got bed, showers, you know, the whole thing.
So when you're stuck there for ten to fifteen hours,

(01:52:45):
you got to have things like that. But yeah, that
was my World Cup experience. Man watching so you've done it. Yeah,
but you've been there, done it. You don't need to
go back. Well, I mean it's gonna be weird.

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:52:55):
I was talking to Jackson about this. I'm curious to
get your guys' thoughts on this. That will Will it
feel like you're at a World Cup? Yes, when you're
watching the game at lumen Field's plaint Actually, because you've
been to that stadium, you can see your own skyline,
You're sleeping in your own bed. Isn't part of the
experience of going to a World Cup going to a
foreign country.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
I'm betting all.

Speaker 6 (01:53:17):
The customs and the culture and all that along with it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
I bet it depends on who's in the stands, like
in terms of like like is it a country that
draw has a lot of people here?

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Right? You know, like if it's does it feel like, hey,
here's Anders? Who else would we?

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Us is only against Australia here, right, that's the one game? Yes, correct,
but it's like Portugal, not Portugal.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Who's here?

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
That's good?

Speaker 1 (01:53:37):
It's uh Turklegium, Belgium, Belgium. I bet if you go
to a game with Belgium and probably feel that way, right.

Speaker 6 (01:53:42):
You know, I think when you walk into the stadium
in your soccer country, like I don't know, what they've
got planned as far as the presentation, right, but I'm
assuming you walk in there and you got announcements right
in different languages, atom you see flags of different countries,
You see grass, which obviously is way different than what
were you to seeing at Luminfield, and just a totally
different presentation. I'm not sure who the PA voice is

(01:54:05):
gonna be at the stadium. Will it be the same
guy that does Seahawk games. I have no idea. Will
it be somebody else? You know, the concession stands, you know,
will they be different?

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
I think the round of thirty two, in the round
of sixteen games will definitely feel like World Cup games.

Speaker 6 (01:54:19):
Yeah, yeah, you know. I'll walk in there for probably
a game. But I mean I'm not I'm not like
over the moon for this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
No, No, I think it like just Haven a bit
like in Salt Lake when I was the Salt Lake
for the Olympics. No two, you know, like I they
played the hockey games at my building where I worked at,
like our offices were gone for a month and a half,
like and all that. Right, So, but I do know
that the one the one thing I thought was strange
is like there's no pregame ceremonies. There's no it's just
like here we are, drop the fucking go, right, And

(01:54:49):
I think that's that's kind of World Cup like.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
But yeah, I kind of want to go. But man,
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:54:56):
I think you should go. Man, the price should go.
I mean, if you've never been another, the prices are
gonna drop dramatically. Prices will come down. I think on
match day you'll be able to get in for a
lot less morny than what you're looking at right now.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
But if you ever had a who off USA Australia, Yeah,
just to say.

Speaker 6 (01:55:10):
That you've been to World Cup, I mean there's not honestly, guys,
I mean seriously, like how many people around the globe
can say they've been to a World Cup match?

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:55:19):
Probably in context?

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Not a lot, right, And they didn't have to stay
in Nigeria for ten hours.

Speaker 6 (01:55:24):
It gets correct, or have their passport taken away, not
know if they were going to get home or not.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
I remember I bought like this they called an elephant bridge.

Speaker 6 (01:55:32):
Yeah, like a big carving of a bunch of elephants
going over a bridge, and I bought one when I
was in South Africa. They tried to confiscate it on
the way home because they thought it was a weapon.

Speaker 3 (01:55:42):
Yeah, like that, right, all right, what are we doing today?

Speaker 6 (01:55:46):
What's today? Wednesday? Mike Fourio will join us. Stets Rous
is actually off today. He'll be back tomorrow. He had
something come up. He's got a skip today's show. He'll
be on tomorrow at four o'clock. All right, Greg Lewis
tho who's on the Hall of Fame ballot, going to
join us today and then Larry Stone at five o'clock.
Good day to have Larry on after today's Mammagers game
here it is all.

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
Right, have a good show, enjoyed. Jimmy's on first.

Speaker 6 (01:56:10):
But for the mild mannered and marginally objectionable in forness,
this is paddle day, saying so long everyone,

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