CrossFit athlete association demands assurances of safety and change

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah, yeah, just roll. Something will happen. Maybe it'll be
an Earthquaker. So we've had plenty of that lately. Oran Wren,
all right, welcome, y'all. Yeah, don't what you got, dude,
you got anything? I an opener?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I don't have any opener hen at all.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Nah.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
They're making a huge deal of this. Uh, the UFC,
I think's popularities. I don't know the data, but I'm
sure it's gone up tremendously in the last ten years.
But I feel like and maybe because algorithms are getting better,
So maybe I'm just getting fed my own bullshit more, right,
But I think the UFC's gone like Berzerko over the

(00:51):
last like three years. It feels like more celebrities are
talking about it, more celebrities go to the game or
the fights. There's obviously more fights. They're building up their
characters even more. Like some of the like some of
the top level guys are more diverse in terms of
where they're from or it used to be very like
American and Brazilian guys are from everywhere, and then their celebrityhood.

(01:16):
If you go by like at least stats on Instagram,
like you'll click any big name fighter and they all
have like millions now or back in the day there's
like three, you know, and even them, you know, maybe
weren't that much. But with that comes more like drama
and shit, which is all part of the fun right
of sports at least. Not a huge drama guy, but
drama in sports. I kind of like. And Morob has

(01:38):
a big fight. I think it might be in the
sphere in two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, they're doing a fight in the sphere for the
first time ever and he's fighting. He might be fighting, O'Malley.
Morob is like one of the main contenders, which we're
going to dive into later about like kind of leagues
with prominent owners or like independently run in a sense,
although they're not businessly like that, but like a Dana

(02:06):
White or if we're going to dive in more CrossFit chats.
I'm not a huge union guy always, you know, not
that dive into politics, but like a player's union makes
sense in a lot of these cases because they really
are just you know, fish out of water and a
lot of these negotiations. And I wasn't aware, but Jim
told me that a CrossFit has an athlete's Union, and

(02:28):
I'm still surprised like fighters or the UFC fighters haven't
done it, especially with some of these fighters that have
been around for like twelve years. Right, you'd think that's
how it would start, as they've been through all the bullshit,
and then they would try to make it better for
the next generation coming in long story short Morob And
I don't really know. Maybe it's like his humor or

(02:48):
he's just like authentic, is some people's argument to him.
But he got cut open in training over the eyelid,
which you know isn't career changing, but it is fight
changing in the sense that it's a hard place the heel,
and it bleeds a lot. Yeah, And he's posting about
it on Instagram, and Dana White just goes on a
tear about how dumb it is. And I understand from

(03:09):
both sides how dumb it is when you're showing your opponent,
you know, a weakness in a sense you split him
there and the doctor could call the fight right away
and you just lose just because you're bleeding.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Whether you're just it becomes a you know, the target.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, And he's like laughing about it and whatever, And
I don't know. I do like the drama because I
think it was literally at the jiu jitsu tournament this
weekend at the Craig Invitational, some dude was yapping in
the crowd some like very small man and Rob is
not huge, right, it's a smaller weight class. But he's
like top of the lower bowl yap in, and Morob's

(03:43):
bottom bowl jumps. A safety gate runs up on the
guy and the guy's you know, like literally it hasn't
been memed as hard as it should, but he's like
in complete fear that he's about to die.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
And Rob just like gives him like like uh check,
let's say, like a a plus noogie, you know, like
like he grabs his hair a little bit, and like
he ends up like kind of smirking, smiling, but like
letting him know, like hey, you little fuck. You know,
like we don't play that. And I'm not exactly where
Morob's from, but I think he's from a stan Ish

(04:19):
somewhere over there. Uh And so obviously cultures are different
language barrier. I'm like, dude, it really is like the
essence of uh. And I'm not for violence in any sense,
but I am for like responsibility and some motherfuckers really
do need to get off the Internet. Like they think
they can say anything they want. And you're talking to
one of the top thirty killers on the planet fucking

(04:42):
thirty yards from you, probably who knows what he exactly said,
but I'm like, dude, you're a fucking idiot. So that's
morob in seven days has gotten Even though that didn't
get that much attention, I thought it would get more
attention because there was also another big fight between I
think a PFL fighter and UFC fighter on the strip
last weekend, but his cut is getting shit tons of attention,

(05:04):
and probably because it's the big fight coming up in
the sphere or whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
But you know, it's weird because I think, you know,
we we we have different algorithms then, because like I
think of UFC is kind of having peaked and there's
sort of in a in a downslide.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I don't know, I would like to look at the data.
I almost guarantee it's not peaked. Yeah, it's going crazy,
Like the cost of the sphere. They're having a big
UFC all around the world. The celebrityhood of all of them,
if you look on like the sponsor level, they're like
social media impressions are up for sure. Didn't you say
they have like a shit and a sponsors on the
Oh yeah, the amount they used to have like one,

(05:42):
and now they have like three energy drinks alone. Yeah,
they're rolling in Dow. It reminds me of like a
old school boxing. Yeah, and a lot of people I
forgot who I was watching an interview, might've been an actor.
Someone said how they were super into boxing and they
just like can't watch it anymore. All they watch is
the UFC. Yeah, because the storylines are better now, you know,

(06:03):
it's it's a it's a streamlined where boxing is kind
of like powerlifting. There's many federations and if you want
like a decent storyline, you have to fallow like a
like a Jake Paul sadly. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, literally, because
everybody just wants him to get his ass beat. Yeah,
I'm fighting Tyson again. Yeah, they just did like another conference.
I feel like it's like on and off.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
I think Tyson had some health scares or something, but
I think they just had another conference last week.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
I don't know the data, but I would I would
bet money that it's it's up just because Yeah, there's
so many fighters, and the international game is going crazy.
The international game at UFC is going crazy. There's fighters
from everywhere now that are like super relevant. There's champions.
I mean there's hardly any American champions, which is what
you want if you want to be a worldwide sport.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
They just sold you know, so that could be part
of it, right. The TKO group, I believe bought all them.
They bought them and the WWE.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
And yeah, William Morrison never created TKO to hold.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, they're combat e sports. Yeah, like combat sports. We
talked about it last time. Netflix I think making bids
on NFL and stuff like that. But the big one was, yeah,
that that Netflix bought. I don't know if a SmackDown
or Raw, but they bought one of the huge WWE shows,
which is pretty giant, you know, probably sure not as
big as it was and you know, Stone Colds era,

(07:33):
but I mean, you watch one of those wrestlings and
I haven't in a very long time, but you see
clips and like the arena still packed. They're still packing
out twenty k Arenas twice a week all over the nation.
So there's obviously very avid wrestling fans Jake Paul's or
Logan Paul's. Yeah, like there's still big celebrity hoods out there.
Some people say he's actually a really good wrestler, Like

(07:56):
I knew he was a collegiate or like a high
school wrestler, but they say, like w w E term.
I mean, I feel like he's like an actor. Yeah,
and he's a good athlete. Yeah, he's a good athlete.
Where like, yeah, that sport in general is kind of
new too, right, Like I watched, uh was it Ironclad
the Three Brothers.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Or whatever it's called Iron Claw Claw?

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Yeah, I watched that on the airplane. Uh. I liked it. Yeah,
I thought it was a lot. Yeah, that was really
good too. And I didn't know that story. That was
much before I stopped started watching. I started watching in
like probably ninety nine or something.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I don't know. Yah.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I had a very short lived WWE fandom, but I
watched religiously for about five years, kind of the core
of stone Cold in the Rock, but I didn't really know.
I know some of the names, Andre, the Giant, whatever
the fun right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, My my experience was when I was a kid,
and then you know, just for a while there where
we were going. Yeah, yeah, we were meeting John Cena.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Yeah, a lot of crossovers. Yeah, even the even the
new gen Cizarro and some of those guys that are
still going. Some of the old you know, fitness homies
became big names, you know, like Bronz Stone and the
homie Adam. I met him at the Arnold when he
was trying to be a strong man and then he
turns into ww champion or some shit, you know. So

(09:14):
some of that happened by boy Bronson Reed shut up
the Bronson who's still fighting right now at a high
level on the WWE. He had a lot of meat
head crossover.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I don't know how I think that that Tom Finn
must have just been too old because.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, he also like didn't have his own stick.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
He was doing every everything it came up. Yea, Yeah,
he was like the Walmart Hull Cogan. Yeah, you know,
he's like the drunk maybe dollar Store I don't know,
he's like.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
The drunk hulk Hogan from the Midwest that probably has
a stick in there somewhere. He was probably too old
for sure. Even talking to our buddy Luke Haawks, Luke
said he like had one serious chat about me doing it,
but I think I was like twenty eight twenty nine.
He's like, dude, you're like right on the edge. You
probably could and you'd probably be good. And I thought

(10:04):
I'd probably be really good too. But at that point
in my life, I'm like, you do I want to
be on the road three hundred days a year.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Like, yeah, I was telling you yesterday. I just listened
to a whole long interview with with Sina and what
an interesting cat like I like, I know, I mean,
obviously men a couple of times know this some of
the basics of the story, but there's just a lot
more to it. And like, I think that probably we

(10:35):
mentioned before that a few years ago he decided he
was going to learn just uh catnese.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
I think it was a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, a long time ago went now, I think.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
It was, and I think it was politically forced song
Vince McMahon.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
But potentially, but I don't know if that ever panned
out in any way. But now he is learning to
play a song or group of songs on the piano, know,
for every movie or TV.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Project that he does, to be featured in the just
for shits and gigs.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yeah, just just to share with friends. And he doesn't
read music, so he has to do it all by
ear and memorize it.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
And then if you're gonna go that form as well,
learn how to read music.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know, some of us are not gifted in
the reading music department. I can read a little bit,
but not not. And I played an instrument and I
just was I had to just kind of bounce along
with it.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
I'm just saying, if you're going to force yourself to
learn piano, well.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Spent you spent a lot of time sitting there picking things.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Out, like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying the efforts
is the same. It's like, uh, if you're gonna let
and it does translate to lifting where everyone's like, well,
I'll learn to lift, and then they like kind of
learn how to program. Yeah you don't have to be Mozart,
but just pay attention with your coach is doing and
you kind of realize it, like reading music isn't super easy,
but it's not crazy complex, and on piano it's probably

(11:55):
easier than any other instrument, to be honest. It's just like,
I don't know, it.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Was not not a way that I learned so that
probably didn't help. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, other instruments get a little weird sometimes. I mean,
I don't know if I could like straight up read
a song right now either, except for get all my
keys and shit. But I took a insane amount of
fucking music whatever the hell it's called history music, fucking yeah,
reading music everything my whole life. Yeah, And some people
were freaks with it, because it really is just math.

(12:25):
Some people were nutto with it. Some of my friends
could like transcript shit in their brain and change and
change the keys and all in their head. I couldn't
do all that. That's that's where piano is kind of
easy in a sense where it is kind of later
your hands, well, when every key is there, yeah, or
like just right in front of you. It's like a
visual version of what's going on. If you played the trumpet,

(12:47):
nearly got three buttons. Now it's a little more complicated
to get every note.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
And guitar where there's multiple ways to get to the same.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, yeah, guitars maybe in the middle of somewhere.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Sometimes you choose to come a combination of strings and
friends that get you to a place that you would
normally go another way. But because your hand is already
in that position. Then you do this, and you know.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, it's just not as visually attached. No piano, it's
directly attached. String instruments, it's semi attached. Winds instruments get
real fucking weird. Drums get a little weird, but they're
a little more basic too, depending mister Sena, I'll say, yeah,

(13:33):
I saw some movie with him, Schnickty Schnicket or something,
corny ass comedy. It was actually not bad. Who's the
redheaded co host with Bobby Lee? Oh the he's a
comedian obviously, Yeah, I forgot his name, but he's in it,
Schnickety Simon or something. It's basically just like a shitty

(13:58):
comedy where these four friends have lied to all their
wives about having a fifth friend, ye, just to use
them as an excuse. So like, oh, we gotta go
visit Tommy, and Tommy's not real because Tommy's graduating with
his PhD. And then they just take a boy strip
to go golfing, and basically the lie catches up to them.

(14:22):
Yeah this one, yeah, Ricketty Stanegy, oh.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Somewhere stinky, yeah, stinky.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
And so then like they're on some trip and they
I think they're about to get caught and then they
have to Johnsen is a drunk in the bar and
they choose him to be the real friend or some shit.
It's actually like for a comedy, it wasn't that bad.
Do they end up just being friends at the end
of guessing? Yeah, you know it goes Yeah, first they
hate them, and then the guys go about to like

(14:48):
fuck it up, and then they become friends and then yeah,
they kind of end up being on a good note.
Oh yeah, and Homie looks kind of normal too. Speaking
of Iron Claw name Zach mister Afron Afron Bro. He
looked he looked weird. Yeah, he looked interesting. I mean
even there, he's got a little jaw going on. There's
something going on with his jaw.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Some coming along with his whole face. That mustache is
not working.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Really, we've seen him in Iron Call right like, he
looks I didn't see it, actually, do you never seen
his face?

Speaker 1 (15:18):
And yes, I've seen his face, Yeah for sure, I
just didn't see the movie. Yeah, he saw the trailer,
but he.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Looks like he fucking yeah, they put like a plastic yeah,
like AI on on. It looks insane.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Oh my god. I okay, so plastic made me think
of this thing I read yesterday actually on social media someplace.
It was a video about particularly guys in prison, particularly
in an age certain age group like up to you know,

(15:50):
early thirties, like high teens to early thirties, shaving down
dominoes and implanting them in their penises for pleasure, pleasure,
just shove it in their dick hole. No on the outsides,

(16:12):
like a piercing.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
No, like you're talking about like a white domino, like yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Just a sliver, a sliver, and then you slice the
skin and it goes inside and then you close it
up and it's and that's actually like that is not
a thing that has happened in American culture, but other
cultures do that with like beads and rocks and whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Oh, like a piercing, like a decorative.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Still not a piercing, but like under the skin.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah yeah yeah yeah, like body whatever.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah yeah yeah, body mind kind of kind of thing
like perca. But like then it was like.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Where the dudes will do the horns and fucking turn
into a lizard or whatever.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
The ship the guy that was talking about it, it's like, oh, yeah,
no he worked in the prison. He said, oh yeah,
he was like in a medical capacity. It's like, yeah, no,
it's a lot of that.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
It's like, why why I'm in mental health? I guess, right,
I guess there's just no way. There's no way to do.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
But you know what I mean, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I've been very bored too. But I'm shoving stuff in
my dick. I mean I would do my ear like
if they're you know, like I understand some of that, yeah, right,
Like I would understand like being bored and body mods,
but I don't ever understanding shoving something in my dick
no of all places.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Yeah, it seems like a terrible idea.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Yeah, why on't you do your ear, your nose, your
lip whatever. I get all the piercings, like I get
prison tats, like I understand the game. But I'm never
shoving plastic in my dick. There's just no.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, this uh uh scene. It was talking about this
Amazon movie thatd with Aquafina called Jackpot. It's not well
rated five point eight out of ten.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
What was the other movie that just apps? We got bombed?
Borderlands looked at it. I think it was the lowest
Sprotten Tomatoes of Fandango of all time. It was like
a literal zero oh shot. The game is great. I
love the game, Yeah, everyone does. Yeah, I've never played it.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
But it had a good cast too.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Right, Yeah, yeah, it's got a at least Kate a
star of Star.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Seven Harts directed by Eli Roth.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
When it first dropped, Rotten Tomatoes or what, but it
was literally fucking like zero. I know when I saw
the trailer, I didn't really like it the trailer, Yeah,
because I never played the game, so I was never
that attached. And they've never really made Halo obviously. And
I heard the second season was okay, But they came
out with a bunch of games recently, game movies like

(18:49):
what was the one last year? Was it? Was it?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Mark Wahlberg, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Fuck?

Speaker 2 (18:57):
And then The Spider Man uncharted? Yeah, hearted like they're
they're they're doing a ton of games right now, but
I'm yet to hear of one that did well.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Bobby Lee was in this What the hell the Witcher?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Oh, I was gonna say, the Witcher. That's the show.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
Rest of Us, the show.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Lost of Us. People said it was pretty good. Lots
of Us is good, and people say Witcher is good,
Jack Black is in this? Is this? They just grabbed everything?

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Is this guy the guy that's that's in the New Reacher?
That's so enormous no clue? Yep, yep, he.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Just grabbed the cast from Jumanji.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Look at the size of this guy. Yeah, he makes
but I've definitely seen his face. Rich he made. He
makes makes the guy that plays Reacher look small. When
you see pictures side by side, I mean seven too,
and just like all filled out, seven.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Too is pretty rare.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's yeah, that's pretty tall.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, I wonder, Yeah, it must have been. There must
have been the Witcher. Then that's set off this game
to a movie deal, right, that had to be the
first very successful one, and then people started going crazy.
Lost of us are the Zombie one? Yes? I think
I watched like two episodes. It was good. I think
it's good. Yeah, it was pretty good. I just didn't. Yeah.
It's with Homeboy, Yeah, mushroom zombies, the Spanish cat. Oh yeah, yeah,

(20:16):
what what's that? Whatever? His name is?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Where are we planking it?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Yeah? I'm bad with names in general. I can't think
any of these dudes.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Why are we? Where are we not remembering his name.
He's in that movie with.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
I feel like he was in everything for a second.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah, he's in that movie with Uh, Nicholas Cage replaced
his biggest fan, Nicholas Cage is playing himself. It's so
fucking hysterical.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Nick Cage is a weird ass character. Yes, there's just
like so many movies that are so good and so
many movies that are so bad. Kevin Hart's like kind
of the new fucking Nick Cage. Seems like they just
don't know how to say no to a script.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Pedro Pascow the name that we're looking for.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Bescal Yeah. Yeah, but un Charted I heard it was terrible.
I didn't play that game either, which interesting is yeah,
a lot of people don't probably don't play any of
those games they're trying to hit, Like the Witch is
pretty nerdy. But I think they have like cold following
they do Borderlands.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Oh, when Charted is what's his name?

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yea spider man.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
We're saying, what's his name? His name? Tom Holland, Tom Holland,
Mark Wahlberg, Antonio Benderaz. You think, oh, that's a pretty
good cast, but like if you have a shitty.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Script, Yeah, yeah, I think it's just the phase of
video games. I don't know what's next. But the Call
of Duty win obviously went Borderlands. I mean Call of
Duty got a chance because you can just make up. Yeah,
early war, the early campaigns were good.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
And then Mario one made a ship ton of money.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Mario was terrible. Mario Mario was in terrible. It was
a cartoon, right, yes, yeah, yeah, I guess Sonic in
them Pikachu Detective or whatever that would. Those are like
kids movies versus these are trying to like like an
actual yeah, like Last of Us in which are kind
of some adults. Yeah, but Mario was solid. Mario was solid.
I watched that on airplane too. Mario wasn't bad.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, Well, to change gears sort of. I have a
a rant and that's about and this is this is
a sequel to a too. I know we've talked about
this before on the show, when we were having the
problem here in the gym where our local water utility
told us that we're using essentially more than a swimming

(22:37):
pool worth of water in a month, which was not
why not possible at all? Like we had one toilet
that was running.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
They're trying to get our dollars.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, the one toilet that was running and uh that
the guy from the city came out and said, yeah,
that number doesn't make any sense, like that's not even possible. Yeah,
but did they change it? No? Yeah, me, and it's
like yeah, well, like he took me out to the
meter and he said, oh, yeah, leave a faucet on
so we can see if the meter's running. It's like, yeah, okay,

(23:08):
the meter is running, but that doesn't mean it's right, right.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, how did they just not send a crew to
check the meter and check their shit?

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Yeah? Well, I have the same problem at home now
where I had one drip irrigation thing that popped off, right,
and it runs literally ten minutes a week, and it's
one day a week. It runs for ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's for just plants or whatever.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yes, And it took me a while to figure out
where it was. And then you know, I felt like
I had, you know, drip things to fix it, and
I couldn't. I couldn't find them. Ended up going to
home depot and fixing them whatever. So it's fixed now.
It's been fixed for over a week and I'm still
getting notifications on a daily basis that that they're that
is leaking, and I look at the actual usage, because

(23:55):
you can see on an our bio basis it says
I'm using sixteen gallons of water at one o'clock in
the morning. Like that's not even possible, that's entirely impossible.
It's like they're they're using some kind of an algorithm
to estimate usage and not actual usage of Why have
a meter if you're not actually going to use the

(24:19):
information that comes off of it in a legitimate way
as opposed to what they're doing. So somebody's supposed to
be coming to take a look at it, and the
guy showed up yesterday, but they don't tell you they're coming,
and my water meter happens to be in the backyard.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Well, how many fucking other people are going through this?
Well that's straight fraud at that point.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yeah, here's the thing. I want our next door neighbor.
I think that I think it's not us. I think
it's actually the neighbor or they're getting it. They're getting
both meters on one reading or something. But they had
some kind of a problem with their sprinklers where they
were literally just flooding the gutters for a couple of
weeks and they couldn't figure it out. And I think
they may have it under control now, but I'm not sure.

(24:58):
But I'm still getting these notification and so I'm not
happy about this, and it does seem like it does
seem like a ripoff, just like a revenue generation thing.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, who knows, because I think I think.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
That we've gotten into the point now where we're actually
paying directly for our water. Sacramento is way behind the curve,
and that we didn't used to have water meters at
all because they were outlawed in the city. Yes, so weird.
And now now they went and installed them, but that's
been a good two years, I think. Really yeah, And
so now they're supposed to be charging. So I'm gonna

(25:29):
get this giant bill that I haven't seen yet, and
it's going to be for water that I didn't use.
I don't know what to do about this.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
What the fuck is a law who created a lot
of outlaw water meters.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I don't know what happened in I think the fifties.
That seems so weird and stayed on the books for
a long long time, and I live in it. You know,
an older neighborhood. My neighboroods was built in the late forties,
early fifties.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
That's a weird concept. All of it's weird.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, anyway, I just I mean, I'm not usually one
that looks at conspiracy theories and the government or whatever,
but this seems like a revenue generation conspiracy theory.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, I mean very very least insane negligence. Yeah, they're
supposed to be running it. You gotta have your systems
in place, and you should have some checkups to make
sure it's fucking.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
It's supposed to.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, because there's no way for us to ever check no, huh,
I could be full trust, Like, there's no way for
you to like buy a meter and shove it in
the sewer system to check that their shit's accurate.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
No, no, and yeah, even I mean there's an app
and uh so you can look like all the time
and they don't let you put more than one to
count on it if it has more than one email address.
So I have the one for the gym on on
the app because we've had a problem and suddenly now

(26:56):
I have to look at up. You know, I can
do it on the computer, I have to, but I
have to say stop and think about it, and look,
it's like this does make any sense.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
But even still you have no clue if those are accurate.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
No, I was clearly not accurate because I'm not using
sixteen gallons of water in the middle of the night.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I mean, there's literally nothing that could be running at
that hour that would that would suck up sixteen gallons.
Even if a toilet was leaking, it's not sixteen gallons
in an hour. Yeah, And I don't have a toilet
that's leaking, so bastards. Yeah, I'm not happy about this
at all, not at all. Well, one other thing is

(27:32):
just a follow up on conversations that we had a
couple of weeks ago now about this tragic situation and CrossFit,
and it was kind of represented that and I think
that we talked about this with Dean that it was
kind of represented represented that some high percentage of the

(27:56):
athletes agreed to go ahead with the games after after
that death. And uh uh. There's a basically a timeline
that was published by bar Bend saying that they had
a very difficult time coming to any kind of consensus

(28:17):
on this and they ended up doing like essentially like
a secret vote.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
But then like even that, like if you don't have
standards in place, like what vote wins just over fifty
one percent? Right, you know, like if you haven't set
a precedent for how you handle player voting and whatever. Yeah,
you're just making literally everything up on the fly.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
But when we had heard that they divided up into
individual men, individual women and the like.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Leaking By the way, I don't know if you got
anything going on in your DMS.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Oh, I don't know. Good question. I can't make this
any bigger. Got some addresses or anyway? Uh, you know,
I had the low go on this iPad and suddenly
it's not there. It was here, you know, two days ago,
and it's not there now. Anyway, what was I saying

(29:13):
they had? If I can take it off of that,
so that'll help me? Pardon me? Okay, they couldn't, you know,
in the in those three groups, we were sort of
told that they were those three groups, and then they
come came up with some kind of consensus and that

(29:35):
did not happen. They ended up actually selecting in five
individual women, five individual men, five individual team athletes, and
five coaches jact just representative for their groups. To continue
the conversation, and they ended up sending out a survey.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Like even that's interesting to me because like coaches and
CrossFit are like a very unofficial thing. Yeah, you know,
it's not like coaches in team sports NBA, MLB or
where they're like attached to the league. A coach in
CrossFit is like an arbitrary ass assignment by a random athlete. Yeah,

(30:15):
you know, so why do they get, say, and who
are they? Like a coach in the league's been vetted,
you know, in the NBA, NFA, right.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, this is it's a very official position.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, this is literally unattached from CrossFit at all. Yeah,
I'm not saying that they shouldn't have a voice, but
they should probably be like they have like no responsibility
to cross fit. So then why do they get like
a choice in CrossFit? The athletes clearly do because they're
there competing. Yeah, they've signed something, they've paid something, and
they've shown up, they've been invited. But coaches and each

(30:46):
and a lot of guys have like fucking thirty coaches.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, and it seems to me that that, you know,
whatever they wanted to express, they should be expressing through
the athletes. And not directly themselves.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Right well, yeah, yeah, I just don't know if they
have a say in this right now.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, like a globally, I don't know that they should
have a say. They were given three polarizing options, according
to this Barben article, carry on with a crossway games
on Friday, cancel the games entirely, or continue with the
games but only as an exhibition. No leader board split
the prize money evenly, donating some to the athletes family.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
That's kind of random.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Family. Yeah, these that you can see if you're looking
at the video version. This is the people who were chosen.
Not a lot of you know, names that I recognize,
but I'm not way on top.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Of them most of those names. But I also wonder
how you get to choose those names then, right, like
you're trying to whip this thing out and make a
democratic but how do you who are the fuck of
these names? I mean, they're obviously popular names because I
know I'm like Daniel Brandon's from sac Or. She went
to Sex State. Haley Adams was one of the youngest
best athletes. She's been around forever. Emily Rolfson, Og Pakowski's

(32:02):
and og Cole Saker's and Mega og Pancheck brothers have
been in the games for fucking thirty years, like a
lot of those are. But then like these coaches, like
I said, I've never heard of none of them. And again,
I'm not super intuned across it as much as I
used to be. But you know, what is it like, Oh, no, Olsen,
he's Og.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, no, it's the only name that I really knew
off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah. No, I've seen most of these names. But it again,
what about the other athletes, they don't get to choose.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Well, they they ended up sending out a survey that
at seven o'clock, you know, seven pm, and they were
supposed to you know, express themselves, and then these twenty
representatives came into a room to continue the conversation about it,
and that's how they ended up deciding. At eight thirty

(32:53):
the results were in. Castro opens his laptop reports the
results of the athletes, coaches and rep seventy eight percent.
Athletes say that.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Compete and it could also even be simpler like compete
if you want to compete, and leave if you want
to leave, Like obviously there's something about unity.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, and everybody agreeing, but what are the chances of that?
And somebo had already left by this point.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I think, I'm sure, Yeah, if you're if you're feeling
strongly one way or the other, I'm sure you're just
gonna act on it. I do not know you.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
No, I don't know either. But the I think I
can't currently find that I wish I could find is
a video by a medical professional about what happens if
you were already warm, already hot, and you're in the
you know, eighty seven degree water, which is what that

(33:41):
reservoir was at the time.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, like a dog that can't sweat.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Yeah, essentially, Yeah, like you can't. You're not cooling your body,
and your art rate actually goes down and you can't perform,
and there's, you know, great deal of stress on your body,
and bad things happen. But I don't know, you know,

(34:06):
then the uh, let's see if I can find this
without taking this out to the whole world. The Union
of course, now it's gonna exciving me. Not when I
wanted the Union came out and said, uh, made a

(34:30):
bunch of demands and I gotta find.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
It post games post games.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, since since then, part.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, you don't ever want to like point fingers or blame,
but because there is no like one place you can
point it. But I would say that the players union
didn't have responsibility to make those demands whenever that player
union was formed. Yeah, right, Like everyone could be a
safety haulock post traumatic issue.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Yeah, So I like the point.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Of being a union is that you stop these things
from happening beforehand.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, I think too. Then another issue with with union
is I don't know that they have a like contract
with CrossFit to compete. I mean, most unions that's how
they work, right they but the most athletes unions aren't
just a you know, an attempt to have a single voice.
They are you know for collective bargaining around how things

(35:30):
work right and and those things can be challenging.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Yeah. And if, yeah, they don't have a direct contract
or relationship with CrossFit, it's half meaningless because the same
idea we've talked about, like the Rogue Invitational is blowing up.
Watapalues is always a big event, and I'm sure there's
others that I don't even know about, but there's big
functional fitness events that are not CrossFit that would have
the exact same issues hypothetically CrossFit games. It's just obviously

(35:56):
the bread and butter, the one that's been around the longest,
had the most money, gets the most pressed because their
ESPN contracts or whatever the hell they have.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Now and now there is there's an article in Men's
Health by Brett Williams. Actually I'm sorry, as told to
Brett Williams, it's it's from Brent Fakowski who was friends
with Lazarre basic competitor, competitor and the it's the the

(36:29):
union is called the Professional Fitness Athletes Association. Yeah, it
would be interesting advocacy group and not really like a
union union. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
So it probably doesn't have a contract with anyone, no,
which is like fine, like it's good to have a
united voice. But no, I mean all this stuff is
just hindsight, you know, after a tragedy or something so extreme,
like yeah, it's too late.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Yeah. What you're saying is, we demand an appropriate level
of transparency between CrossFit and the PFA regarding the third
party investigation as to the death of Blazar and subsequent
changes made to protect all athletes going forward. We demand
CrossFit create an independent safety team to the LIAIS with
the PFAA on an ongoing basis, and we demand that

(37:16):
Dave Castro be removed from the position in the sport team.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yeah, like that demand I think is pretty high if
you have no contract with CrossFit, Like.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I don't know exactly how they get it. I mean,
I don't know how they get get that outcome.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, you just don't show up
to the game, show up. You could do that anyways
on an individual level, right, Yeah, being united is good
and fine, but again that's all like hindsight stuff, Like
it's easy to point the finger after a tragedy if
you thought collectively that you're Dave Castro is a safety

(37:48):
risk to the sport. Where's that being voiced before?

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah? Right, it has been, and we don't just don't know,
but it's not maybe publicly. So publicly, Yeah, for this.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Athlete group is actually united with the top athletes. I
feel like that I would have seen that that request
been made.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah, you would think, And maybe it's just because I
don't know. There are some statements that he that he's
made along the way that did not help his case
in that regard, and one of them being that he
did the course but at a different time of day
and the water was so warm that he had to
change the way he swam in order to get through

(38:30):
it and was gassed by the end. And I mean,
he's not as young as these competitors, obviously, but at
the same time, that probably should have been a red flag.
And that's probably damning to him for actually coming out
and admitting that afterwards. And just I guess, I don't know, Like,
I let's put it this way, if I was trying

(38:51):
to avoid liability, I wouldn't say that out loud unless
I was under oath and forced to, you know, and
even then I might be taking.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
The fifth Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess to me,
it's just like, what's the core issue? And how do
we solve the core issue? Because people are gonna say
a million things again after the thing. And if I'm
an athlete and I truly believe that Cross is dangerous
or Dave Castro is dangerous, you know what I mean? Like,
it's easy to stand on a moral ground when you
know you're right now, right, yeah, because history showed it.

(39:19):
But where was that fight before?

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:21):
And again I'm not trying to point fingers at anyone,
but the athletes in this case sound just as responsible
as everybody else because to me, you see at least
on Instagram, and again this is a broad stroke, but
you see them hanging out in friends with Castro and
then something bad happens. Now you're throwing the bird at him,
blaming him. And I'm not defending Castro by any means.
I'm just saying that if you see right like, that's

(39:44):
just not right.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
To me, it does seem like there's maybe.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
It's like virtue signally.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, a lot of blame to go around, But I
think that part of the reason that there's so much
blame to go around, and part of the reason that
athletes didn't did not bow out, is that crossfits kind
of torture porn in a way.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
For sure. It's yeah, I think it was a talent porn.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I don't know how to Yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
What buddy Zach Talander made a comment. I forgot who
he's talking to, but he was talking to someone maybe
just outside of CrossFit, and Zach's pretty tapped in for years.
Zack's actually kind of tapped in across fit almost in
a way like I feel like I am where he's
a waylifter but he just so much crossover in the
early days because he's done it so long. And the

(40:28):
torture porn comment is kind of what his his general
statement was on it was that, and I don't want
to misquote you, Zach, my bad buddy, but I'm pretty
sure what he was getting at is that these guys
are a little crazy in the head and they've been
trained mentally that pain is good because that's how you win, right,
Same with a marathon runner, Same with any kind of
long distance tortures thing that you find a burn and

(40:49):
then you're gonna have to stick at that burn if
you want to win the event. And that's every workout
to some extent, right like powerlifting, similar you have to
practice singles because you know at you know, midway through
that let it's going to feel like you can't do it,
and you have to hype yourself up to continue to push,
and then you push through it. There's just happened to
be in varying durations. But he was basically saying, like,

(41:10):
you're taking twenty of the best athletes that have been
taught to push harder and when it hurts, push even harder.
Of course, something's going to happen, you know, and that
happens in other sports. Boxing people have died, et cetera,
et cetera. Because we're looking at the extremes and that's
where the hindsight thing just becomes weird to me, Like, yeah,
it's easy to point fingers after the case, but who
was making these statements before? If you just really felt this.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Way, well it put it in power leting terms. Say
you're going to do a meet, and you got to
the meet and it was supposed to be it was
supposed to be air conditioned, and it was one hundred
and fifty degrees outside, so it's an Arizona. Let's say
it's air in Arizona, and then the the air conditioning

(41:52):
is broken and it is over one hundred degrees indoors. Yeah,
do you decide to go and compete or not?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
I'll probably compete and then I take responsibility right again. Yeah,
if someone dies at that meat, everyone's gonna be pointing
fingers after it, right, But no one, no one during
that meat is gonna stop it. Yeah, PROBA or spotters
and loaders. Powerlifting is a good reference point, Like you
show up and your spotters and loaders look like they
never spotted and loaded again, how many people are not
going to compete. They're all going to compete.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Because they already paid their money and they're already.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, and you're not like judging it as an athlete.
You're not going in and like can that guy catch
my squad? No one's ever looked at that, like when
I've done yourself. Yeah, when I'm training, I'll grab my
homies that I trust because I know, you know, But
like at a meat, you just trust that it's set
up correctly. Yeah, and that is obviously the core issue
is a crossfitter should also go to the games and
just assume that it's set up correctly exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
You assume it's set up correctly for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
But there's also freak shit like even if a powerlifting
meat has the best spotters and loaders, shit happens. They
could slip and I could get crumbled. I mean, you know,
we've talked about Brandon Lily's injury being one of the
crazy these visually and probably physically obviously not death, but
literally got one of the strongest humans on the planet

(43:08):
and absolutely sandwiched Like do you blame the spotters and
loaders or do you blame freak shit.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah, people want to blame the spotters and loaders, but
I'm remembering that video. I don't know how they could
have caught it right.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
The freak shit happens. Freak shit happens. And I'm not
saying that this that you shouldn't take as much preventative
measures as you can. Yeah, and but if you're also competing,
if you're living life.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, I could look it up at the Mark Bartley
video that I shot from you know, a long long
time ago. He fell, but he didn't take the bar
with him like you know. He he fell forward, you know,
out of the monolift because he tore his squad and
or hamstring quad, I don't know, so he got a

(43:53):
bad tear. He couldn't walk afterwards. He made it. He
paid some terrible sounds. I think they may have had
to cut the squat suit off of him because like
immediate swelling and all that, it's a real nightmare. But
he didn't even follow with the bar. There was nothing
that spotters could have done, and that was in the
pre like chains or straps or whatever. On the monolift era.

(44:15):
I will say during that era, it was very common
if you were going to a meet, you would recruit
as many of your your teammates to be going at
the same time, and they would might be the ones
that stepped in to spot. And in those federations it
was a lot easier for that to happen, whereas it's
not really allowed anymore.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Right, but then they do, you know, it has evolved
a little bit. They have spotting and loading crews that
are right supposedly responsible and have done them multiple times.
But even then, you know, like freak shit can happen. Yeah,
someone can rip something in the bar, can slip the
moisture in the air. You know, we're all humans. There's
human mistakes in spotting and loading, and there's human mistakes
in all this, and maybe there's human mistakes on you

(44:58):
like how you push someone in how or you don't
push someone you know.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Yeah, and I think too that like if you it's
maybe align this a little bit more with a CrossFit
in the in the same scenario with a with a
power listing meat, but you know it's going to be
you know, in a hot location or outside or whatever
and not going to have You're not going to have
the the the temperature mitigation kind of stuff that you

(45:23):
would you would want to have and you decide to
go ahead and do that meet, well, then it's really
it's really on you.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Yeah, yeah, I think responsibility even all in this CrossFit event,
it's tragic. It is responsibilities not balanced, but it's multiple places. Yeah,
you know, you can't just pinpoint an answer, you know,
especially when you're talking about a lead athletics for a
million bucks, right, you know, like sure, yeah, I think UFC.
Actually no one's technically died in the UFC. I know

(45:53):
they have an mm A and boxing and joice. But
then yeah, like that responsibility too, right where you're gonna
put it, You're just gonna like flip the sport upside down?
And then what are the numbers? Obviously data can speak
pretty good, and even CrossFit though by the numbers, is
probably doing decent.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
A cross fit by the numbers, yeah, like you wouldn't
necessarily or.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Like how many people are doing CrossFit? Like the warehouse
style gym got popular because of CrossFit and across the nation. Sure,
some places, like I've been to a CrossFit in Cleveland, Ohio,
and they had heater in HVACT because it's fucking ten
degrees in the winter, but a lot of places don't
depending on where you live, and they have less than
average athletes and they're every day going crazy, you know,

(46:37):
and maybe people have died and you just don't hear
about it.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yeah, I think that, Yeah, that's a possibility. But I
think that the kind of well, I mean, the games
have more scrutiny and for sure, and nobody's died there yet.
So like if you were purely from just an actuarial standpoint,
you wouldn't assume that it was likely would that someone
would deny die in this scenario.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
But yeah, I mean people have died in soccer, yeah,
you know, just from heart stuff, similar thing, probably a
mix of personal responsibility of sleep and hydration plus pre
medical conditions plus maybe a hot day or whatever. You know,
people drop that on soccer fields. Yeah. I don't know
what the answer is. I don't I don't know. My
point I guess is sometimes I don't know if there

(47:19):
is an answer, right.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I think there may not be answer.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Some of the responsibilities on the FED to do the
best they can and some of the responsibilities on you
to know your limits and be a human. Like same idea,
like you can go jog on the freeway right now,
like some bad all happen.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, potentially, Yeah, that's at Yeah, you're you're more likely
to be a target in that environment and not you know,
and we're not apologists for CrossFit at all. It's just
that it's more complicated than people would like it to be.
Because in the in the aftermath of any tragedy, you're
looking for an answer, you're looking for escape.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Yeah, no, crossfits fat and you're looking for a way
for it to not happen again. Yeah, CrossFit's at fault,
but they're just not all fault. Crossfits should have had
the highest level fucking Navy Seal lifeguards, right like they
should have some lifeguards that are highly competent that are
clearly in the video not watching the swimm or swim.
That's that's like the easiest finger. But my point is, yeah,

(48:16):
that there's multiple, multiple blames to push around, or you
can look at the positives or whatever opposite side and
like there is no blame, right, the same thing, just
an act of God. Well, not about that, but as
much as my point is that you can blame everyone
and you can also blame no one, like it's the
same answer, yeah, right, because the blame is multiple places. Yeah,

(48:41):
the clear one is irresponsible a CrossFit to have shit lifeguards. Yeah,
But then everywhere else, you know, because the athlete has
to have some responsibility, that athlete's coach has to have
some responsibility, the other athletes have to have some responsibility.
Whoever programmed it has responsibility. Like the clear cut one
is yeah, lifeguards.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
Yeah, that's like the first line. And then then then
the programming versus the versus the conditions.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, it's like the programming might have been fine, although
it probably wasn't because of the sequence, might have been
fine in you know, I just making people swim when
they're already exhausted in another discipline is difficult for me
to rationalize.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, but exhausted's like a tough thing to just like
gauge too. Yeah right, there's people that swim thirty miles. Yeah,
so that's like saying, like, should you not swim five
miles after you swim five miles? Well, if you're prepped
for it.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Yeah, this was well, I don't know that any any
of the crossfitters really have a deep background in swimming.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
I think he did, did he? Yeah? I think that's
part of the story is I think he did, and
I think a lot of them do, and it was Yeah,
I think a lot of them are.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Gangsters, especially pre eight am and the you know.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah that I don't know. But and and because cross
it has added an element of swimming for the last
fifteen years, you know, something's common. Yeah, you know, all
the crossfitters I follow are swimming daily, if not weekly.
And again that's no blame here nor there either. Part
of it, obviously is like the fun of the sport
or the mystery factor is the randomness that you don't

(50:20):
know what's coming. That's like the core value of CrossFit.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, it would seem to me like they could publish
a mixture of stated events, you know, prescribed events, and
and then like holes for mystery events that only are
announced on the day of or whatever, and that would

(50:45):
be just as effective as not knowing when any of
them were.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I think they do that a little bit. I think
they'll put some out. But even that doesn't take away
from that one random one being the mad one.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
No, no, well, I would hope that.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Yeah, right, if you're saying random, yeah, it doesn't matter
if there's two, if there's one, if one's a bad one.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah. Yeah, it's just a chance game and some of
it is I don't know. I mean, some of it
could be more strategic and less exertional.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
That's for sure, as it is just you know, and
visual copaid, you know. And then strong Man probably does
do the best version, although obviously you can get injured there.
Strong Man has randomness, but they'll give you a slight
heads up, like hey, there's stones in this one, and
you don't always know exactly some competitions, local competitions, you'll

(51:33):
know exactly what's happening. You got stones over bar or whatever.
But even the sport of strong men just has like
slightly less barriers. And I think CrossFit does in pattern recognition,
but in rules it doesn't, you know, like strong Man
rules are within these borders. They're not gonna just like
be like this. Yeah, they're not going to show up

(51:54):
with some random shit. You'll do a poll event, you
might pull a car, you might pull a plane, but
you're doing a whole event. And we're a CrossFit. Literally
ten years ago they had them throw a baseball for distance,
you know, yeah, and shoot a gun. I think why
one of them. Yeah, like target shooting, like.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Which is just so that's that one was weird.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, it's just out of the realm. And I get it.
I mean you're trying to like test hand eye, Like
I understand kind of what's going on the general concept,
but having no borders also.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
Yeah, why couldn't they make that? They could have made
that part e sports.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, well that's why I argue that it's not a sport. Yeah,
like you got no boundaries. A sport can't have no boundaries,
you can't. You gotta have like qualified, standardized rules, like
that's got to be at least one pillar of sport.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Dumb. Yeah, you know, going back to a strong man
for a second. If you know that if there's going
to be a stone event, you're gonna have to lift
it somehow. You may or may not have to carry
it a distance. You're gonna have to you know, it's
gonna have to be onto something or over something. You
know you're gonna be able to use tack. You know
you're gonna be able to use you know, some kind

(53:06):
of a sleeve if you want to.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
You just don't know if it's heavy for one or
lightish for one hundred, right, Yeah, but you know you're
in the pocket.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Or progressive, right, and you know you need to get
them all or you need to get you know.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that would do CrossFit.
And again, if you go by pattern recognition of what's
happened at the games, you can build your own boundaries.
But the sport doesn't have boundaries.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
It doesn't have boundaries. Yeah, so you can prepare to
a certain extent, but you still don't know what they're
gonna do right right Where a strong man, it's a
little bit you know, like you know, if you're gonna
lift a uh, if you're gonna do some kind of
a car lift or a deadlift or whatever, typically they
allow a squad suit or a or a deadlift suit.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah, that's stuff they tell you ahead of time for sure.
And you don't train in a suit the whole time
and show up and they're like no suits, right, Yeah,
it doesn't really happen.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
And we i mean we saw here too because because
we had you know, two years of World Strongest Man
here that they are careful about the times of day
that they schedule stuff because these are big men and
it gets very hot.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, Sacramento was a little rough because they do it
what June or May.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, they were doing outdoors.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
I order why they haven't tried to move it indoors,
like obviously the visual factor, but Brian's was indoors. It
look cool, yeah, obviously depending on where you are, because
it started a lot of times it was in the
beaches of La. Sure, the beaches of make it look
cool in the back dround and that's seventy degrees and
the beaches of May right in La. But if you
want to travel the world China, I think that's the
infamous one. I don't know what twenty twelve or something.

(54:32):
A lot of them got sick and heat stroke ish
and food issues and yeah, yeah, if you make again,
that's kind of like the randomness of their everybody's died later. Yeah, yeah,
it's hard. Tea is hard.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
I don't have anything else I answers to this question,
but it's something to think about.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
Yeah, it is just really bad timing for the company
in the brand, as it was already popularity wise heading
south Ish. Yeah, you know, we talked a lot of
and even the sport, it's the bar bell itself is
like like less unified than it used to be because
it grew. I think I think because it grew that

(55:11):
each niche was almost big enough, so they just kind
of like isolated. Or again in like twenty thirteen to
twenty sixteen, like there's a lot of crossover between bodybuilders
and weightlifters and powerlifters and crossfitters. Like there the communities
were close ish, they didn't always get along and not
everyone was on the intersect, but there's a lot of
people getting along on multiple sides. And now it just

(55:32):
seems completely they all isolated. I don't know there was COVID,
I don't know what happened, but everyone just seemed to
like crawl into their own niche. And I just never
think that's good. I mean, you make any kind of
echo chamber politically, sports wise, friend wise, it's just never
a good thing. So like that doesn't help CrossFit either, No,
because a lot of those coaches in the early days

(55:53):
were like crossover coaches. You know, they grab a powerlifting coach,
they grab a running coach, they grab a swimming coach,
and they get better. And now there's like whatever a
CrossFit coach is the coach that's good at everything. I
don't know, Yeah, yeah, just unlikely unlikely. New episodes fam
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