Generation Iron (2013) | A 50% Facts Review - 50% Facts with Silent Mike & Jim McD

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
They didn't talk about how Giddy was a basketball he
was like legit good.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I think he played at Colorado State. He played D one.
Huh yeah, he played D one.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
All right, we're in.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
He grew up in Seattle. I don't know if they
mentioned that either.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
He grew up with Jamal Crawford, who's a fucking NBA legend.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
So we're talking about Generation Iron from twenty thirteen, kind
of the first of the Generation Iron films. We the
one on what's his face? Why am I playing in?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Ronnie rich Pioni uh Rich Pionna.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Both Piana and and Ronnie Coleman. Uh. These were made later.
What we're what we're looking at today is like the
first of that uh that era.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
In my head, this guy has to be like first
top five legitimate meathead documentaries.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, like obviously Pumping Iron.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, and this is supposed to be like a sequel
because it's the same producer.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, the whole vibe when they were promoting, because they
promoted this like crazy, and this is when three of
us were deep in the industry.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Obviously we're in it now, but we were.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Not like we were then.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, the dead mix of the industry, like the heart
of it because the industry was so small, then everything
had to go back to bodybuilding. You know, like nothing's
kind of stood on its own just yet, like twenty
ten to twenty fourteen, maybe even you know then CrossFit
and stuff kind of stood on its own. And even
now you could argue weightlifting, powerlifting don't, like they're not

(01:40):
in industry per se. Yeah, so we were dead deep
in this and I just remember them whispers talking crazy
like yeah, the next Pumping Iron, the next Pumping Iron.
And so they marketed that well. And I have seen
it multiple times, but I watched it again yesterday. But
I was trying to think of like big docs, like
real directors, real filmographers that made fitness ship and it's

(02:03):
kind of none like the nineties were a big time.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
But but you had YouTube, shitty YouTube rawnie and that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah. I think that like the whole production behind shooting
Pumping Iron was maybe more you know, kind of classic
filmmaking folks and stuff than this was more like.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
A potential you could see it on like his Like
it's really like a national geographic channel. It's like more
like a weird like documentary. They call it what docu
drama or docu drama.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, and it's also kind of chopped up in a
lot of ways. There's a lot of like stuff going
on that they just threw in to pad it out.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
And then like how many times did Arnold actually take ballet? Yeah?
Likely just for the film, Yeah, probably just it just
it really felt like late seventies vees.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, or what what did documentaries become like going to
come out? Yeah, late seventies, late seventies. Yeah, So when
did documentaries become like a thing thing, because now they're
whipping them out every week, right, like you're talking about
bodybuilding or just in general in general, I feel like
likes have been they were.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Just like I feel like it was TV. Oh you
think I think it was. I think like back in
like sixties, It's like that was like there wasn't like
TV channing. There wasn't like shows. There was just like a.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
It was like sick Call era.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I guess you're right, true. But there was also I
think a lot of like specials they called them.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah, like sixty abilities, Yeah, sixty minute like oh we're
in the Sahara.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, we're gonna go to the Amazon and like and
that was like it was like basically a documentary.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
But not that Yeah, but not a movie. Yeah, they
did like big segments.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Like that you weren't like buying them at the store
or like twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, ESPN's thirty for thirty but in the fifties.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Pumping out when it was nineteen seventy seven, seventy seven.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Yeah, I think that like documentaries even like this or
Planet Earth or what we know now, I feel like
really took off and like two thousands.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Yeah, probably early two thousands.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Knives over forks like these are like common popular names.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Yeah. And and this one feels like a YouTube video
now in a lot.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Of ways, yeah, because video YouTube has just gotten so
high production.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah yeah, well I mean mister Beast literally just made
a three YouTube part series with Amazon Prime for one
hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Like they are the same, they're identical now, like he
and he's obviously the king of YouTube, Like they are
identical on the spot. But if if I wouldn't say
that just based on the other documentaries we've reviewed, No, right,
because Pianna and Ronnie are made after this, Yeah, and
those are much more like raw like this in my opinion,

(04:36):
we have obviously a bunch to cover, but like if
we're putting a cap on the beginning, I think it
was the perfect documentary because like they have multiple storylines
and despite having so many characters, character development's pretty good.
Although I was just telling subus Aftware probably fake, like
they really stereotype each guy, ye so purposely, like Ben Pack,

(04:57):
Like I think I mentioned in the other one, Ben
Pack's the guy they try to make him look like
Drago and fucking Rocky five. Yeah, like like he's only
lifting in front of a white room with screen some
weird bike. Yeah yeah, yeah, I get yelled at by
a little science nerd.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
That is fancy. This is fancy. It is real though.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
That's school, Like that's where Lane Norton is shout out duns.
More of my friend Christen's there, Like that is like
the the performance strength Conditioning school.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think it's is f not f s U.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Fuck.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
I don't know, but one of the Florida was a
total nerd and that's where they all are, and they
all are there, all the meat heead nerds are there.
I think that's where Lane got his masters. The character
development is good. There's obviously the conflict. Uh, there's like
the end goal destination, there's the side conflict of just
Kai and Phil. Then obviously it leads a little bit
more towards Phil because he is the guy and had

(05:48):
been the guy.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
And kept being the guy. Yeah, what was this his
third win? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (05:53):
I think he won. He won seven seven total this
every year and then he I think he placed third
the last year that he competed. They just retired.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
They started to get crazy. Uh Like Phil in hindsight
looks really good. He looks really symmetrical, really you know,
snatched waist. But then now they're just crazy, you know,
like they call Ronnie and Beyond like the mass monsters
or whatever, and so Phil is in the mass monster category.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
But they all look insane.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
You know, they're all three hundred pounds now like Bloodsford
I think was the most recent winner, he won twenty
twenty three, and they look fucking crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Where Phil looks, Phil looks, I mean you you well.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
If you're making a g I Joe, yeah, we'll probably
make it look like Phil.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
The thing with like the Phil and Kai is like
you you at the end when they're doing that one
on one pose off it's like, it's just this is
it's an amateur could tell you who's got the better physique. Yeah,
I mean yeah you can't and that was first.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
In the second place, you can't see it, but you
could also tell in that same scene how real it is. Yeah,
like they don't like each other, like that part ain't fake. Yeah,
which I was just texting Bart about. In basketball, I
got a clip of Isaiah Thomas in the eighties and
someone's like sets a pick on him in basketball and
he literally just turns and socks him in the face,

(07:09):
like mid basketball game, and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
Basketball becomes hockey.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Well, I've just used to be like that. I was like, Barb, dude,
my sport's gotten soft, dude, And he's like, man, you know,
He's like that was fucking crazy. I was like, yeah,
that's obviously like too much. Or yeah, I mean this
this Four Nations tournament, they just have a the center
and then they just get in a fight, like first fight.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
In the Canada and USA.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, but you need drama in sports, Like That's why
I think people are attracted to sports. H and NBA
ratings are down because everyone's best friends and shit and
bodybuilding ratings down like thirty person oh, insane amounts in
sane amounts and bodybuilding. I don't know, like if they
have a rating system right because I don't even know
how to watch it live, although it's become a thing.
But I bet you ratings were way higher here, you know,

(07:51):
because there was legitimate drama. You have a champ, you
have like different characters. Then I was telling subos like
I don't know who did it or what, but the
each character in this and and it wasn't because of
this movie. Like I knew all of these of these
bodybuilders before this movie, all of them had built a
name for themselves. Where now like I can't name five

(08:11):
guys because it all moved over to seabumm in them.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, the problem is that it's just there's no you
don't have to be good anymore to make money.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
You're probably right, it's probably moved to the influencers.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
You even have to eat any That's what I'm saying.
You can. You can be seventeen hopped up on fucking
shit and make more money than CT Fletcher ever did
in his entire career in a year. Yeah, no offense
on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
But Sam Slick, Right, Sam Slick's probably the second biggest
name in the game behind Seabum, and he just did
his first show every Yeah, he's twenty three, and he
makes probably more money, more eyes, more attention. He's a
millionaire now, yeah, easily easily with his YouTube views, easily,
let alone sponsorships.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
He's making more money than these these guys that own
supplement companies that have been in the game for twenty years. Yea.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I hate the Maybe it's it is like semantics, but
I hate because we talked about it with the Ronnie
one and the others about him buying his house and
financial situations. I looked it up because they always say like, oh,
the Olympia gives away a million. I just hate Can
we just erase that?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah, it's a million total?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, I hate that they do.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
They do have esports too, and I understand the marketing
of it, but I just hate that because I looked
and they were winning like one hundred g's.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, two fifty is the highest.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Now, Yeah, that's now. I think in twenty thirteen it
was one hundred.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
No, it's two fifty. I think I looked it up.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Oh, just before that then it was a hundred. Not
long ago, second place was one hundred. No, not, I'm
saying first place not long ago was one hundred. Yeah,
I think, you know, I looked at potentially potentially I'm
just saying, but either way that's trash. Yeah, it's trash.
Just a marketing is trash of it. I could have
sworn I heard that it was half a mill back
in the day and a meal.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Now I'm surprised that it's to be honest with you,
I'm surprised it's even that much. Like who's paying for
who's footing the bill for.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
That weird weirder Weirder's giant?

Speaker 2 (09:50):
They making that much money.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
Back in the day, for sure, they like owned half
a seers you go into series, everything's a fucking weirder
on it.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, plus the magazine. Plus they started supplements. Yeah that's true,
you know, and they didn't think about them.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
And then now they have Bodybuild Dot Calm throwing them
a million bucks to run the event. They have every supplements.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
There's a lot of high mark like good margins and
supplements huge huge makes sense.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
And back like the margins on fitness equipment is probably
not amazing. But back in the day they were the
only ones you know, so then your marsinist are great.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah. Yeah, So getting to something that that you were
talking about earlier relative to Phil Heath, like if if
you could just sit down and have a conversation with
take two of these guys not at the same time,
Like who would you pick.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
I've already met a bunch of them, so it's a
little biased, But I'd probably hang out with Kaya again.
I've chatted with Kaya a couple of times and like
lobbies with some of the Bailey's.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
And he was cool, super cool. Maybe branch Warren.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'd probably just catch a workout with branch Warren.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
He's out of his brains. Yeah, that would be the
most entertaining.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Is that scripted? Not to switch the topic real quick,
but was that scripted? Because he's literally talking about injuries
and then he fell out the horse and I remember
it being kind of good editing.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
No, but I feel like he was.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I feel like he literally is on the horse like yeah,
fuck that injury, and then whips the horse around it dies.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Dude. There's no chance that that dude that weighs that
much as willing to throw himself off under the ground.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Could have killed it looks real.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
What are the fucking chances? Well, he was being a
cocky idiot. Yeah, that was insane. It was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, it's literally out of like a parody of a
Western film like I never gotten Hurting No Horse and
then you eat ships.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
It's exsane where life tates art.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, that was actually fucking insane because I remember it
being memed after it happened, but I don't remember him
like just like directly talking.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Like it meaned like five years later. No, it's it
could be meaned right now. We could start the meme again.
It was so late. It's so good, it's so funny.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
All right, so he gets chatting with you. I probably
doing Kai and then probably been Branch.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Warrens because I'm gonna go with Branch. Well, he's just
like just throwback, like he's fucking body, kind of the
white Ronnie, but without like like as far as like
the grit, not that personality. But they're training at the
same place. They got that. They're doing the whole like
lift heavy without forms, as heavy as possible. But he
long he puts the words.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
On it too, like man have problems, but we ain't
talking about our problems.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, your man up, you go to work and you
get job done. You don't worry about it. Yeah, yeah
I have. I want to have a beer with him.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
Yeah, I say, probably Phil Heath and probably And I
was really surprised. I think i'd seen Kai talk that
much and really, yeah, I've seen He's one of that
I have not met at all.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah, before this, Kai has like multiple kind of Ronnie
Coleman style documentaries that I've watched, and so that's just
very vlog He's literally just in like the tiniest this
is before like any of this. He's like in the
tiniest apartment in fucking Brooklyn. It's like, oh nine, I think, yeah,
maybe because that's when I really got into lifting.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
So I was trying to he's in those famous like
apartments in Brooklyn, like the ones that you see.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Like Avis and shit. Yeah, yeah he might be. I
mean he grew up homeless basically, like yeah, like he
definitely was. But he was so kind when I met him.
I met him in Houston a couple of times, like
twenty sixteen, seventeen. He was crazy kind. Yeah, just I
mean imagine that, guys, stories, you know, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Crazy girl like to get even into bodybuilding growing up
in like the Foster system, Like that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
He was really well spoken, had a big vocabulary, just
like an very interesting person who's obviously been through a
shit ton of stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, yeah, he gotta have scars.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I wonder well, like, who coaches him? I think that's
something they've never like, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah, who was his coach?

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, they didn't really show that because they showed it
for almost every other guy.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, I mean, did you.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Be one of those rogue guys that coaches themselves? Yeah?
Maybe matimes those are if anybody, if I had to
pick one person I could probably coach themselves, it probably
be him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
He does seem like he likes to learn and shit,
so who knows. He might have just read a shit
ton taught himself.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
Did you see at any point a like on screen
lower third identification of Handy rambod.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Phils You mean they label him? Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I don't said his name. They said his first name
at some point. I was like, oh, that's I know
that is.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I mean that was kind of Handy's like come up.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
With with Phil for sure, and then now he's exploded
kind of coached to everyone.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
But yeah, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Talk to him on a podcast in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Yeah, yeah, he's still a name. I mean he's helping
you sea bumming them often And does it seem come out?

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Isn't that soon? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
I just a twenty third or something. Right, I got
some like blast that I was having issues, but maybe
it was just a little tweet. I thought it was suppos
come out like in the next few days.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
It was supposed to be soon.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
The Olympic basketball, when I think, is it's right, it's
supposed to be really good about emotion? No, but like
this year this summer they were last summer, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, really it was on that team Lebron staff. But
when they were they were high and they'd come out
and beating. Uh like they're all they're all high coming
off the train. You've seen that, Clio. I saw him
come off the train. I know they're high, and Bibe
is like looking at them like and then like because
Lebron's got like his hat like over his eyes and
the other guys are kind of like hiding and it's

(15:12):
like dude's obviously just went like smoked. It looked like
the going to go smoke a joint on Thanksgiving come
back from the walk. That's what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
I didn't know that, but it is from this summer,
and it makes sense because like next Olympics, bron is
gonna be forty four, Like what are the.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Chances he's gonna do it?

Speaker 3 (15:26):
You know?

Speaker 2 (15:26):
So like, oh he'll do Steph will be forty he's
a robot d He's literally droppy.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
He is, like he literally just had like another triple
double last night. But I don't know if he's still
gonna want to or be around. And then stephas with
a robot, Yeah, Steph will be forty one. Uh yeah,
it's just like the older Jens.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
It's gonna be forty one.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
I think he's thirty eight, oh for the yeah, next Olymics, Yeah,
I think he's thirty eight thirty seven right now? Yeah
that and then yeah, the Jonathan Majors won the Bodybuilding
Show show.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
The thing was Steph though, like he can play forever
because a he doesn't drive the lane and he just
shoots all day. Yeah potentially, but it's like the mental grind.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, you know, like the physical used to be somewhat
of a factor because like I mean, yeah, even Jordan
played till forty but like and he was pretty physical player.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
But like the.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Mental of living in hotels for three hundred days a
year if you go into the playoffs, never see in
your family, and like never getting to breathe because you
have like two weeks where you can eat junk food
and then you have to get back in shape because
then you have whatever's next, yeah, to play like Lebron, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
even you can be like, uh you know, uh fucking
what's his name, James harden.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Bro, he's just get just get big.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
I bet you he still goes crazy and then just
has pizza Luca Luca kind of big.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, that's what everyone's hating on. Guy the fourth biggest
guy in the league.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
No, he's not that big.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
You look it up.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Wait, wise really to seventy is the question.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, but even that he's six eight to seventy six,
eight's not that crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
The guys aren't overweight, like most of the guys. The
guys that are tall aren't that heavy. Yeah, he's the
heaviest guy in the league. Yeah, that's possible.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
That's possible.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Djokovich is number one.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, joke.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Fitch is a big boy. He's the biggest guy in
the league. Heaviest guy.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I mean, same was Zion, Like obviously, like some dudes
are thick, but but he's not like out of shape.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Zion's totally out of shape, it seems seems so. Yeah,
he's out of shape, but he's had some muscle on
him too.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
He's like the he's like with uh, who were just
talking about Yokovic? Oh no, he's like uh, He's like
he had the potential to beat the Luca, but.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
He just got too big, too fast. And they said
that's what they're scared of. They said he was gonna
be lebron at a high school. I mean, he was
on ESPN.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
He was one of the first guys to get on ESPN. Yeah,
he was going crazy. Yeah, anyways, going crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
But yeah, there's a lot of documentaries all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Have you guys seen anything about about Steph's condition with
his vision?

Speaker 2 (17:57):
No, he's losing his vision.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Well, here's the thing. My son a few weeks ago
got diagnosed, my older son with this condition called karata
coma where one eye gets more and more a stigmatism,
so the lens shape keeps changing, and so it's it's
harder and harder to see clearly.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
I have a stigmatism in both my eyes.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
And the most prominent person in the world who has
that is Steph Curry.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
There's no Lasik for it. No, my eyes are like
football shaped. Some people are more round. Yeah, some people
are more round. Mine are more like a football shape
and that's why. So it's like it's a that's why
I'm kind of sensitive to like too much light, Like
it makes me like have to squint or I have

(18:49):
to wear like that's why they were glasses at night too.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, ay, I have it. I haven't had my eyes
checked a long time. Yeah, I wouldn't got checked out
and then you got some different unique guys.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
Anyway, it starts at about twenty five for most people,
and it runs through like thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
And then it stefp's fine.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Then it stabilizes and they can they're supposed to be
able to like do some things once it's stabilized.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Changing around.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
There's special contact lenses and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
But who had to get some kind of special glasses
because they went like started going like cross eyed. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
There's been a revamp of like the Nike made some
like anti glare contacts that the league made illegal and
like nine or six or something, and that that's for
some reason as like refound itself on the internet because
they made them like bright red, so you look all crazy.
Oh and so you put these bright red ass things.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
And suddenly Darth Maul oh, I remember those.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah, I remember the NFL made them illegal, but they're
supposed to, yeah, like blur lights that you know for
stadiums and players contacts. Yeah, and for some reason they
made them be legal.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah. Interesting, But I'm in double vision. You can like people,
some people randomly will get like an onset of like
double vision. Yeah, and then you can get like glasses
though that are like correct it for you. Crazy things
they can do with classes. Yeah, but yeah, that's cool.
I remember seeing those old school photos of the dudes
on the sidelines with the red eyes. Yeah, looks sick.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
I don't know why it just randomly came up again,
but it's been all over my Twitter.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
And shit, seas, do you watch this one. I watched
a little bit of it. Yeah, yeah, I watched more
of the ct.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
This is the one you probably want to watch all
the way through it.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, time, I was thinking it's sick and it's long,
but it's like pretty good.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I watched the director's cut, which is ten minutes longer.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I don't know what they added.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
I did not watch the director bad music.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I knew I had to watch watch them back to
back on a day that had already been long. It's like,
there actually have to go there.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Actually wasn't that many montages as you'd expect, or at
least as.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I only kind of in the beginning.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, yeah, like Branch a little bit in the gym
freaking out, but like a lot of it was based
around life and like filling the hotel, and I think
it does a decent job of like showing their life
because like you really don't have time for shit, you know,
like they're just eating their chilling.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I felt like it could have been a little short.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I had two hours as a banger of a right, Yeah,
I think the directors was forty six and then the
director's cay was one fifty six. Yeah, So I'm in
the camp that no body building or fitness related documentary
should be over an hour should be a time that
campus of an hour.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Yeah, I think it's just because they had so many characters.
They're really trying to build up, you know, like this
whole thing. But if they just do Kai and Phil,
it could, yeah, easily be an hour.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
You could dig a little deeper.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
But I do kind of like that they sprinkled these
other guys in, you know, because some of the stories
are whether they're semi manufactured or whatever, like like the
Roly Winkler stuff. He was kind of supposed to be
the next coming, you know, he was still young too.
He's the youngest by far, like a lot of the guys.
Phil was probably thirties ish, but like a lot of
those guys were like mid thirties. Branching them definitely Victor Martinez,

(21:51):
like some of those guys are a little bit older.
And Roly was like twenty four I think.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
And his coach Grandma, Yeah, which is weird.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
So do you guys think that him and Gramma were
having sex?

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Right?

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Some? Then?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Right? I think I don't think that because foreign by
the sound I was gonna say, I didn't necessarily get
the impression that he had the equipment she was looking for.
But I could be wrong.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Do you think after her husband died she was just
into the women maybe?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Or she always was and you never know.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I don't know. I could be entirely wrong about that, but.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I do think I can see there being some kind
of weird, something weird had happened.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
It's part of a training, you gotta have release. Yeah,
she helps his recovery.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I like how she said that in Arnold's voice, they
sounded like Arnold.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Both their accents were crazy, Yeah, both their same with
Dennis Wolf.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah, Wolf was really famous and never like went crazy
and you know, per se, but he was all over
magazines his accent.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I thought it was Arnold. One sounded they're doing a voiceover. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
One time I could tell, obviously, But one time I
was like, is that Arnold?

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Yeah I thought that. I thought that too.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Though.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
It's interesting as many guys as they covered the when
they actually announced the the top ten. Yeah, it's not
everybody that you've seen in this film.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
No, Yeah, Roley was young. Dennis, like I said, I
don't even know if he got top five ever. Ben
Pack maybe scrape top five ever. Yeah, and ben Pack
was like a really good bodybuilder. But a lot of
these guys weren't. And that's that was my first point,
is how famous they were or popular and built a name,
but none of them.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Were like killers.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, like Phil ran that whole league forever and now
I can't name besides, like Derek Ludsford, I can't name
another top open bodybuilder.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Oh, I have no idea. I know Sea Bomb and
that's he's not even open yet.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Yeah, I can't name a single one before Derek Luedsford
and probably I told Seves because the foreign a lot
of them are foreigners, so like I just you know,
I don't follow him on Instagram and Derek Ledsford's American
or Canadian.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
So this this, this, like I feel like with this
and everything else, it's just all this shit just died
in twenty sixteen and then or started to go down,
and then COVID hit and then just like fucked up everything.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Yeah, TikTok bodybuilders, the trend twins, you know, I mean like.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
This, it just it's just one of those things that
I feel like COVID kind of swallowed up.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
But they But the funny thing is, I say, we're
kind of on the skids before they were, but then
that just like was like the nail on the coffin.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
The funny thing is this last Olympia twenty twenty four.
I did notice all like the Fitzbos and people I
follow are more into this.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Than we ever were.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Really, Like I got invited a couple times to go
to the night show and like get actual tickets to
the show because it was like a deal after the.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Xbell never went.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
All of them were like buying tickets and going, or
like getting their sponsor to give them one or whatever.
Like I remember last year at the show. Everyone's story
was at the show. I can't wait. And maybe it
was the Sea Bumb effect. Maybe they're homies with them
or sponsored by his company or something, But still they
were all at the actual show, not the XBO and
talk about like everything comes full circle. Obviously expos were

(24:46):
hurt by the pandemic and all that. But I've heard
like the Olympia's crazy now I might try to sneak
in this year. I think it's again August or September,
but I heard they're going crazy. I heard they're very popular, right, yeah, Vegas.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
So the top prize in twenty twenty four or for
the Olympia with six hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
That's decent. So that was last year.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
And yeah, Samson's Fay Chopon and Dereklinsford.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Yeah, Samson I've heard of for sure.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Martin Fitzwater never heard of him. I want to talk
to Samson.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Remember that's from A Half Baked Dave chappelleb he's like
the rapper Samson. Good though that one climbing too the
moon like a luin a tune. You don't remember that, man.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I do like Chappelle though it's early Chappelle, Earlyelle.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Part of it too, is that they don't have any
one crushing right, like like Sea Bump one what eight in.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
A row six? I think it was six.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Well, that's it lose or going on savage. He's not retired,
is he? Yeah? He retired.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
He retired. That he did.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
He's either going hybrid or some people joke about going open.
He did do one open show.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, he place. It was like a smaller show. Okay,
but I think he did. Okay, I think he did.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, maybe some of it hasn't been as popular because
there hasn't been back to back winners, right, I don't
think there's been back to back winters since phil.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Uh not in I don't think in this category.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Yeah, not an open bodybuilding. What does like a sea
bum do in twenty twenty five as a retired bodybuilder, Like,
what do you do? I don't know. I know he
has a baby, I know you have he has supplements.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah. Business, I think you just go full business, right,
Like to entertain yourself.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I mean you do some appearances at these big events.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I guess, yeah, create content if you like it. I mean,
that's the beauty of working so hard, hopefully, right. And
that's the story all these gurus and life and my
personal philosophy tell you is that you grind so hard
for ten, fifteen, twenty years and then eventually you get
to do whatever the fuck you want to do. So
he can wake up and decide he wants to be
a golfer. He could wake up and you know.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
I've been doing that, but I have to work harder
than ever. Yeah, but we're still we're still in the
midst of it.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
We're still in the grind, you know, where like he
dominated for six years, probably has enough money and shit
set that he he can you turn and go fucking
do anything he wants. I mean, I think that's the goal, right,
Like a lot of big business guys I know, like
try to go do and they turned to golfing or
competitive shooting or you know x NBA guys. Jason Richardson,

(27:14):
who was Bart's neighbor for a bit, played an NBA
forever and now.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
He just golfs hybrid in the like like.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Just fake news that you run and lyft weight's.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Okay, so he would you like to do that? Like
on YouTube? Though, he just like posted that on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I don't know if it was a meme or if
he was really into it, but I think he's just
trying to move his body a little.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Bit more and it was actually be healthy. Yeah, he's
like trying to do a muscle up and shit. Okay, yeah,
so he's trying to turn into like a healthy person.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Yeah, or maybe even athletics, right, Like I don't know,
I don't know Sebum in particular, but a lot of
these guys that I cross passed with weren't ever like
that great of athletes. That's why, Like Phil was kind
of like a rare one. You know, he played D
one basketball, so maybe they like, you want to try
to do sports. He was a freak genetically dude, d
you want basketball and he's got to be five eight
five nine, Like people don't understand. That's almost more impressive
to me than Olympia.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
How about that when the Asian guy was five to
five twenty, he did not look very good?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Is he from San Jose?

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Didn't sound I mean, obviously he's not born and raised.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
He's not born to note. I don't think he's born
and raised, but I think he lives.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Because there's there was two prominent Asian bodybuilders in that period,
and one with San Jose and one owns I believe
Powerhouse in Vegas now, but another one was from San Jose.
And Yeah, the racist part is to me they look alike.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
That's the racist part. But they did.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, I forgot, I'm looking.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's all good, but yeah, one of them owns Powerhouse
in Vegas and then uh, one of them was from
the San Jose area.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Do you think that also, we never really talked about
the fact that Mickey Rourke was the voiceover on Yeah,
which is pretty awesome. No, it's a great voiceover.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
I wonder if he was into it or for they
just like god, they.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Probably he's in the lifting he's in the lifting, right,
so maybe half an half?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Does this come out before the wrestler?

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Probably? Oh? Probably?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, So I mean they probably didn't have to pay much,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (29:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I agree, because that was like the first movie for
him had like a comeback or what Michael Joy Wire
or whatever? Wasn't he what's he in? Is it the Wire?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
He made like a guest appearance here in the back.
He was friends with one of the guys. Remember it
didn't he just pass isn't that? Isn't that the same guy?
I think he's from the Wire, like one of the
main actors in The Wire. But again I think that
was after this he exploded and then he passed a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Damn yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Right, he's still left.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Then I'm thinking of a different name.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
You're think of somebody else, probably racist.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
You just killed that guy?

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Watch what if we google it's like Michael White.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I swear to God, Kimbo.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
It's the It's the guy with the scars on his
face who died from the Wire and the Wire. Yeah,
and this.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Is his name with the shotgun yea and the blanket
on his name. I swear it was Michael.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
It's Michael K. Williams, Michael kay Williams. Yeah, I was close. Yeah,
you're close. And they don't look that dissimilar. They're not
all called Michael B. Jordan, They're all just Michael Jordan's.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah. No, what was I going to say? Uh, Victor Martinez,
how bad did you feel for him?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
That was sad? Yeah, it was sad. But again he's
like a bit of an o G. You know, like,
what do you expect? You went to prison, you know,
you expect to just come out and you even my
again untrained I semi trained eye could tell how small
he was.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yea, and during the like when the when he went
to the judge and yeah, work out or even just
work it out.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
I can just tell you he wasn't like as bubbly
as he was. You know, drugs don't kick in that fast.
He just got out of prison, Like, yeah, he probably
didn't have his full stack when he was in there.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah he probably a little something, but probably not. Yeah,
let alone equipment, like.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, let alone distress go through that, Like that's gonna
fuck your ship up. You know, one thing that I
always knew, but like this movie just made a parent
And you always like hear about the politics in the sport,
but like this movie just puts it in your face.
Like Phil, he's hanging out with the president all day
of the federation that runs the shit, Yeah, the besties,
and he said, you're gonna kill it.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
You know.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
I'm like, well, you know that that looks so good,
you know. And then even for Victor Martinez to have
like best friends with like the lead judge, you know,
like I get it, like they they can't like totally.
It's kind of like the what I think professional sports
because everyone thinks they're like totally rigged. Well you can't
totally rig it, right, like Steph's not gonna miss a shot,
but you can lean things, you know, So like same
with this, Like they can't just give the worst body

(31:38):
the gold medal. Yeah, but they could definitely move them
up a couple of places. You know, they could give
them seventh instead of tenth, and they possible.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, it just seems so weird.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
And you know, there's always controversy around around placing in
bodybuilding shows the big body relationships because it's so subjective
and yeah, and it's a lot of that controversy comes
from the Internet and people watching it. And it was interesting.
I think that Lane says in in this or somebody
near that, near the point that that Lane is in

(32:09):
that if you're there, Yeah, it's so much more obvious,
sure because.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
The lighting's perfect. Yeah, so it was obvious here first
and second, Yeah, I mean Phil, Phil's shoulders, chest, everything
was on another planet. He's just so bubbly. Yeah, just
it made it made Kai's shoulders look nonexistent and his
chest looked like way too small for his body. It
was it was not it wasn't even close.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
There.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
There is more random cameos he had like bust of
Rhymes and Bust of Rhymes in that era. I've been
a Bust of Rhymes fan and he's obviously from Brooklyn,
so that makes sense that he's friends or at least
a fan of Kai, and that's who he hangs out
with in the film. But in that era, bust To
started to get jacked too, because it was always kind
of like like kind of frumpy and they got a
little round.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
But then he started to get jack he started getting
juiced up, and yeah, disappeared.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah, and he was just like in the midst of that.
In this you could tell like he kind of had
some shoulders.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Have you seen that video of him not getting let
into that famous night club? No, he's freaking out or something. Yeah,
he was causing a scene because they're like, who the
fuck are you get out of here? Old man? He's
just like a rock put.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
My ride was was Mike Cats the judge that he
went to see that Martinez went to see.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I didn't put that together. He was in the pumping
iron right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Does he own a jim a Jersey? Does he own No?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I don't know if it was. That's a freaky bill.
Does his old picture up top? That guy was born
a year after I don't think it was. I don't
think it was. I don't think it was similar.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I didn't catch it as Yeah, but look at the
top left.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Your next hairstyle, Mike, it's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Scroll up, I guess down if you want to do
it that way. But the top of the page. Yeah,
he didn't look like that.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Where is he in that picture? He's on the left. Yeah,
he didn't look like that.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
No, the judge, I think I think it was, Uh,
what's the famous Jersey Mecca?

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Those guys look like ships so much Botox.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
The Jersey Mecca. I forgot the name of the fucking gym,
but I think it was the owner of that. I
just can't think of the name. There's a Jersey Mecca,
the East Coast Mecca, and they opened one in in
in Colorado actually where Phild trains too. I can't think
of the gym name, but I think it was the owner.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Of that was Bet Francis.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Yeah, was a Bet Francis, Bet Francis gym. Yeah, it
might have been Bet Frans. One of Bet Francis's guys
was the judge. Yeah, I don't remember seeing my cats.
I don't remember that name until obviously.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Yeah he's I mean he's in the cast list, but
I couldn't tell you where he is.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
It might have just been a throwback to Pumping Iron maybe, yeah,
because they did like a couple blurbs.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Of that and like Lou talking about stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, Sam with Lou, Like, I don't think
did Lou every win Olympia? Maybe one in between.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
I was going to ask that because I was gonna say,
did Lou ever win?

Speaker 1 (34:46):
I don't know if he did either. Because Franco Colombo
snuck in a bunch of wins.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
When Arnold was gone, Lou was talking a lot about
what it takes to be a champion. I was thinking
to myself, did you ever win?

Speaker 3 (34:53):
He might have snuck in one, but it's Franco who
was in the middle of that picture.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Whenever it was Frank. Yeah, he just passed some I
recently too. Here's a chiropractor forever.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Oh I was gonna freaking oh yeah, yeah, I did
look like Frank because he was always the little er.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, he was like five six five five five six.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
This popped up. But we should definitely do that one too,
The Natty Life. I almost watched that one on ACTI
know we should do that for sure. We'll come back.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Well, we'll double feature it with Magazine Dreams because Micae
trend is Michael Hearn isn't.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Both he's Yeah, I think he's big in this in
that one, yeah with the John.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah, yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Remember that era of the Micae Hearn meme?

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, era amazing.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I don't think it's completely gone away, it's just less popular.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
It's definitely that. Yeah, it's so funny. You know what's
so funnybout he would randomly to send me like d
ms of him wearing like c K gear that's cool,
which I was always just like Hercules wearing c K
that's say. And he would post like in his story
or even like on regular posted just like his little
videos he'd be wearing. And I was just like the
weird world we live in.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, it's the weird world, say, sending your pictures in
his shirt only.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean that would have been ideal. That's what
you're hoping wants link after So you gotta make money man.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Well, and going back to what you're saying before, some
of the people who were who have tried to compete
in bodybuilding at the higher level, like what do they
do The part of the answer is only fans or
something similar to that. Yeah, because a fetish there.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, there's definitely. Yeah, well social media. Who knows what
some of these guys are doing, and now they're you know,
the industry is so big. Probably the top ten guys
are doing fine, and even Martinez and them talk about it.
With the sponsorships, you know, even then, like the top
ten guys are probably you know, getting at least a
five figure deal, so they were making some kind of money.
Then they did some kind of bullshit personal training. But

(36:42):
he was kind of bitter about Phil, like, no, no,
I don't think anyone liked them.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
They're just kind of hate. He's at it easy because
he's got a sponsor, Like, okay, then get yeah, that'd be.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Good exactly, And I do get some of it maybe
you know where again, like Kai grew up homeless and
Phil up in Seattle. There's nothing to do with philm No,
for sure, but I'm just saying like, if you're in
Kai's shoes with these other guy's shoes, bodybuilding is like
a grassroots kind of like sport, like a grind, you know,
even Arnold, right, Like Arnold's an immigrant and does this
and that and builds his way. We're like, there's not

(37:14):
really like the hard streets of Seattle for D one scholarships.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Even Phil said, though he's like I worked. I don't
know how true it is. We said he worked two
jobs while he was I'm sure, and he's like, I
don't think guy's ever worked a day in his life.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Yeah, which is all of it impossible. All of it
is possible, And obviously that's like just life in general, right,
Like you can always look to your left and right
and point fingers on someone's hard times, but you can
also understand why. Like Phil he's like like he is
like like even his face and his personality like he's
fucking the superhero and the boys or what you know,

(37:46):
Like he's like the perfect guy.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
He's shooting you know, dude, he's that.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Guy, right, So, like he's probably very easy to hate
when the rest of them, like Kay's got fucking crazy hair,
he's all scarred up, you know, like.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
All those guys looks like he looks like an turtle.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Briss Warren's, yeah, he does. And Bress Warren's getting chucked
by fucking horses and goats all day.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
He's stepping a dog ship. He looks like like a
ultimate like Arian brotherhood guy. Yeah, probably, so I know
he's got Johnny as a training partner, right, he's got
a black friend. No, I'm not saying that way. I'm
just saying like I'm I'm sure that his look Yeah,
it doesn't it doesn't help, you know what I mean.
Case he looked too like alt right, Yeah, for like
this day he wasn't put that put together that well either,

(38:28):
And all those guys right like Victor Martinez.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Walking through fucking all the you know, like Haitian neighborhoods
and ship like, you know, the Puerto Ricans all over.
Like it's just different than living in purely in Denver,
Colorado and Seattle, right.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
They all came for the best ship.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, they just came from different places, you know. And
again bodybuilding has like maga grassroots.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
But Phil was like the American hero. He was a hero.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, he looked like he's kind of he should have
been in the new Captain America that I heard flopped.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
It's doing really well money wise, yeah yeah, but everyone
are not great, but it's making money.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah, but there's no other movies.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
That watch because there's no other movies to watch.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Oh at the theater?

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah yeah, and Marvel bro like also, okay, so they
just got better marketing than Disney and Marvel.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
I feel like they need to Okay, they need to
stop as a side quest, but they need to stop.
Like what are they comparing that to?

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Then?

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Okay, if it's making money and that means it's successful,
but like what are they comparing it to? Fucking endgame? Like, oh,
how did that game do well?

Speaker 1 (39:22):
It's like McDonald's is successful, but like you're never going
to say this is the best burger I've ever had.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, I just don't know like what they're comparing, like
the like the like how many people are going to
see it? I get like on opening night, like what
is the it.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Did really well and unopening and it's continuing to do well.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
But again, what is he saying that it's bombed? Then
everyone just because the movie sucks.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Because the movie sucks, Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, okay, that makes work. Okay, that's that's the thing.
I don't watch it yet.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, I've forgotten how to do the storytelling. And it's
also possible that they were done and they just didn't
want to be done because there's too much money to make.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, you can't stop happening. Yeah you can't just stop.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
To endgame and you're done.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
So I mean, hopefully hopefully you can't just leave. But
these are the only movies making any money.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Right, And hopefully Doom Doom brings it back a little bit.
There might be a chance because there's not like one
big enemy, there's no one big story, right the whole
beauty if it was the roots to a trunk and
now we have no trunk because everyone died or quit
and so like they got to rebuild that trunk. But
they're supposedly, I don't know, I Jonathan Majors is doing it.
They're talking about bringing him back.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I saw a little bit about that.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, and then you know, supposedly Iron Man Part two
in Green Suit is supposed to kill him, so like
that might be bring us back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
But Jonathan Major's movie does sound interesting though, and he
is kind of jacked. He's kind of built like Ky
Greene or something. He kind of built like a natty kaygreen.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Part of it is just how he's shot. He is
not really that big in it, but he's big, certainly
bigger than he was. He's he's a similar size in
Creed three.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, he's jacked there too.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah he looks good.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
I mean yeah, I don't expect him to like get
up to two sixty. But even if he's like one,
that's pretty big for celebrities.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
The biggest was probably four, but like Wolverine, the fuck
are wed like one fifty five.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Yeah, it looks big on camera.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, it's just you gotta be ripped and then they
light you so that everything shows up and you don't
like eat any carbs or drink any water for like
three days.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Before massive looking and then makes your whole body look big.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
I don't know. These guys were just massive though.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, they were massive, so I did. This was to
me not as entertaining as Pumping Iron, but it's definitely
better than the other ones that we've seen from from
Generation Iron. It Uh, again, a little long, but the
the guys at least had a fairly engaging story each one. Yeah,

(41:50):
and for the most part, I would say, you know,
thumbs up and people should should should watch it. Uh.
In terms of a raid, I would say, spray tans.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Spray tan in the shower coming off looked like diary.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
How about Ronnie bending over Winkler, Winkler grabbing ankles, talking
about Grandma sex. She says, bendova and.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
He fucking grabs ankles, shakes my ass. Is my food ready?
She was cooking food.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
She's yelling at him to whip his phone and the
phone away ship. There was some weird energy there telling
riding them. They're a part of the part of the
he might have got peg. That kind of answers both.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Of you guys. This assumption did you figured it out? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
They?

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
The The Pumping Iron is just so good because Arnold
is so hilarious in it, like he's it just displays
his perfect he's charisma. He's so good and like, although
Phil and Kai speak very well, they're just not like
that guy, you know, they're just not that guy. And
Arnold in Pumping Iron more than anything I've seen. Again,
I'm not a huge Arnold guy. I like him, but
in Pumping Iron he's just so funny. He's got like

(42:59):
Muhammad Alian energy, you know, like everyone's around him. He's
fucking charismatic, Like he's just he's just schmoozing everywhere.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
That turned the lights on for him.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah, sure, Yeah, he's so good. Like if Arnold's like that,
that's the guy I want to have coffee with. But
I've seen a lot of Arnold stuff and I've never
seen him like that yet or the same level.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
He's good, but he's never been like in that movie.
He's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Bro, He's just throwing mini jabs at every corner, you know,
and he just even the other stuff. His interview here
is very good, but it's so political, you know, so
just like he's just hitting the spots. He's hitting his spots.
In terms of spray tans out of five, I think
we're sitting on what Rich was like a one to five.
I think we gave Ronnie like a cumulative like two together.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Something like that.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
This was in fitness documentaries. I'm probably gonna give it
like a three seven five, maybe maybe three eight. Like
I agree with Jim. If you're into fitness at all,
you should watch it. It tells a lot of the
past and the cool stories that build up to now.
It is a weird era now, you know, where it
is kind of social media driven rather than merit driven.
And this might have been the last merit run, you know,

(44:06):
like hopefully the seabumb won for sure, because he is
so good at what he does. You know, he was
a champ and he could have kept winning. It's probably
smart of him to retire because again, yeah, you're gonna
end up getting a third or a fifth and feel bad. Yeah,
he just won't feel good because then you feel the
world destroyed you, and most sports do right. Phil talked
about that with his basketball career, like at some point
someone tells you you're not good though, so might as

(44:27):
well make your own call and just say well, I'm
done instead.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, there's definitely more honor in figuring out when you
need to go and instead of waiting for the world
to tell you, yeah, it's just ego. You're done in
this sport is just ego.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Like every other.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Sport, it has to happen. You're just not gonna be
good enough to go to the NBA or go play
in Europe, or go play D one or make the
varsity team, like there's a level. But here, if you're
already in the league, it's up to you.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
And so it is.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
It is just ego for you to want to keep pushing.
So shout out to the Sea Bump for that. And
he's so fucking young too, Like I think he's twenty eight,
you know, like he can do anything he wants. So
he could turn around and go become a fucking linguist
or lawyer or some shit. But yeah, I'll give it
three three seven, three eight, y'all give.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
It like a three to nine. It's just too long.
Two hours is too long. I think if you focus
on like three or four of like the top guys
in this documentary, I don't know if you can get
the good of a story maybe, but I think it
might have maybe that would help. I don't I don't know.
I think they would just leave it as it is
and give it as it's solid. It's solid.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
They were just trying to emulate Pumping Iron so much, right,
because you had the Mike Cats story, then you had
the loof rig No Arnold, like they tried to go
piece for peace with it. They covered random bodybuilding, general bodybuilding,
and then the real battles Loo and Arnold, and they
did that same thing. It's like a Rocky Creed situation, right,
and so you have Phil and Kai, but then you
have to sprinkle in the ben Packs and the Roly
Winklers like they wanted to film a bigger picture I wish,

(45:47):
and maybe the Natty one. I wish they would have
talked more about like the sport, because I feel like
Pumping Iron almost did that more, where Cats was just
like a school teacher, you know, like if you cover that,
there's different stuff going on rather than just the Olympia,
you know, because that's where the culture is. Even then,
the culture was in the industry, it wasn't in the Olympia.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah, this was definitely though, Like an Olympia document It
was a super Bowl super Bowl build up to the
big game.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Yeah, yeah, that was the through line. Yeah with you know,
anything that didn't relate relate directly to that just wasn't
in the in the movie.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
I don't, but I.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Think it's for the reason that it's a little too long.
I'm saying three to five about three five. It was
definitely watchable. It was more much more watchable than I
was afraid it was going to be. I thought, am
I going to have trouble staying awake through this? And
I didn't have too much trouble. It was.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I mean as far as like modern day body building documentaries,
like this is in the conversation of the one of
the better ones, Yeah for sure, and those are you know,
they all have their problems, so they're never going to
get like the best score. Yeah, as far as documentaries go,
you know, in the bodybuilding documentary world, this is probably higher.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I mean, like I said,
I don't think there's that many fitness ones that are
like in our culture. Right, well, there's Pumping Islanders, this
like Brian Johnson's They're all lateral right, four over knives, lateral,
like they're all so lateral to what we do, and
so to have one that's even that we all agree
is above a three, it's pretty good. Good Yeah, you know,
like yeah, we're never gonna get the planet Earth, you know,

(47:19):
of fucking fitness, like like that's a five out of
five for me and that's just Attenborough. Yeah, and like
just you know, you need everything to line up.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Like we'll see how Seabum goes.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Maybe maybe, but even still like no of no offensive Seabumb,
you know, no offen to any of these guys, like
I've seen his youtubes and stuff, Like you need all
of it, right, you need the production, you need the storyteller,
and you need the character.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
You know, the only one is popping.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, Like he's good, but he's not He's not a
fucking gecko in the volcanoes of fucking Hawaii with that
Borough telling me about it.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, he's not sitting at his uh, he's not sitting
at his kitchen table talking about women hanging on him
like Arnold.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Or yeah, yeah, like sneaking the sneaking his enemy to
drink some vodka before the night show, when you know
he's just doing funny ship like it's gonna be rare.
The one you could do that with is probably YouTubers,
the smoking you know what I mean, Like you start
to do them on like a bart and an Omar,
guys that have that kind of gas to him.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
You know, i want the trend Bros. Doc to drop.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
I'm waiting for the early YouTube. I'm going to get
a call. I want the men on YouTube. You know,
I'll be the side piece like Guzman bart Omar.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
They can take the lead, but we should. We should, definitely.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
I think that's too like the social media rev or,
Like social media's impact on fitness is probably one generation
Iron should do. And they sprinkled it in you know.
But ye, but they're doing it with like, yeah, they're wrong,
but that's the fucking culture, right. You interview some of
the new cats. Yeah, you hit the trend twins and
whatever else. But then you're going back and yeah, maybe
Bradley Martin's even the lead, you know, he's probably the
face of kind of that generation. And then yeah, you

(48:48):
sneak him around. Bro, there's something the pianis you throw the.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Most foul video video gym. It's bad on the live stream.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
I think it might have been yeah, I mean I
would have crushed him.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Yeah, I go google the kids. Yeah, anyways, what do
they call that the Roman helmet? I don't know, but
it was brutal. Yeah, that's fucking that's hilarious. Name for it,
the Roman helmet. That's funny. I haven't heard it. I
think it's the Roman helmet.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I don't even know what we're talking about it, and
I know what a Roman helmet is.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah, someone's benching two chicks, kind of like the typical
Instagram thing and then the homie comes and boiling pants. Yeah,
Roman helmets, and you never heard of the Roman we
just talked about We talk about waiting.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Was that with you? Uh no, yeah, with the bat
wing and all that. Yeah, the Roman helmets lateral to that.
Oh god, it probably was working out too, so it
was probably there.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Was Oh yeah, he was probably sweaty, but there's cameras like, yeah,
that's why I just didn't avoid that environment the front.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
He did get the body slam him and kind of
beat his ass a little bit.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Saw that part yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw it's separate.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I would have just it would have been yeah, because
I had a life stream, so it was like everyone
slid and it went viral.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, the kids reaction got to go viral with your dick. Yes,
I don't think he was in pure shock maybe, but
you know what I mean, it wasn't like discussed.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Maybe you liked it. I don't know who that can.
That's all fair game. Yeah, secretly, Yeah, shout them out, Dean.
Where can they find you? You know at Dean Stores,
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