May 28, 2025 • 50 mins
Psychedelics in psychotherapy. That’s the theme of this four-part documentary from Netflix. Can psychedelics break damaging thought patterns and allow people to heal from depression and trauma? This doc series would like to prove that they at least hold promise to do that. We cover episodes #1 (LSD) and #3 (MDMA).
(Interesting, very recent twist: researchers have altered LSD to make it helpful to the brain but unable to cause psychedelic effects.)
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(Interesting, very recent twist: researchers have altered LSD to make it helpful to the brain but unable to cause psychedelic effects.)
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Theme by Aaron Moore. Show art by Joseph Manzo (@jmanzo523)
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
We are gathered together today to talk about the Netflix
series from twenty twenty two called How to Change Your Mind,
which is not actually about debate debating, yeah, researching an
issue and then shifting your position on it. It's about
literally about how to change your mind with psychedelics.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I feel like I've watched something on Netflix about the
prior topic too, though, is it like brain Games or something? Maybe?
Maybe So there's like a mini documentary talking about just
obviously how the brain works, and that's what this kind
of talks about more than I thought. Yeah, and I
understand they're trying to be like science y, right, They're
not trying to do like a hippie revolution. Although they
(00:53):
talk about the history, it's not about the explorative nature
of these drugs. It's more about the healing possible of it, mushrooms, LSD,
mdm A. But in particular, we watched LSD and m
D m A right there, which episodes one and three,
which I thought were like, actually, like both episodes were
(01:17):
so different.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, And you know, I don't know if.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It's if it's just a product of just the fact
that I was tired yesterday and not a lot was
sticking in my head or the some maybe somewhat repetitive
nature of these episodes. Yeah, that not a lot of
it stuck with me the way I anticipated.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I felt similar overall, but especially with one. I felt
like one had no story, no timeline, and it was
just like throwing data and facts that you over and
over where at least three it kind of buckled down
on that one. Lady who's holy shit? Talk about the
short stick? Like what was first? I think it was
(02:00):
brother odeed, mom killed the entire family and herself, and
then you know, a rape and a pregnancy, like talk
about holy to talk about someone that needs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Some high level intervention.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, that's just not like, yeah, you're not going to
talk through that one. You're not going to feel through
those pains. But that one at least had like a story,
you know. Yeah, it was a little more.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And that the one, the one, uh the military dude.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
With the PTSD and they're showing like real video of
like sessions. Yeah, you know, so you kind of get
a feel of what's going on. Where the first one, yeah,
I was just like talking about the seventies and then
talking about the drug and then talking about the scientists,
and then talking about Germany, and then you know, it's just.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It was all kind of setting the stage for you know,
the the psychedelicsis therapy, yeah, angle, but.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It just didn't even like you said, nothing stuck, Like
it wasn't that good of a foundation.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
No, it really wasn't.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And like I feel like there was a time in
my life that I understood more about that history of DLASD.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Than they than they portrayed their bio lot.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah. I do feel also like everything just comes in waves,
like all this stuff semi popular right now, but it
was like really popular like four years ago, three years ago,
and then I don't even know. Yeah, the ayahuasca we
were just talking off air, like the ayahuasca is kind
of like the bro version of this. I've listened to
a lot of podcasts not a lot, but a handful
of podcasts on psilocybin in particular MDMA, not as much LSD.
(03:25):
I think those two more enketamines kind of the maybe
newer one that they're experimenting with real therapies. But I've
never heard of like a lot of doctors or scientists
per se talk about ayahuasca. It's always just like you know, well,
I the lost guy, the lost guy is the one
talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know, I think it's probably the vomiting that that
twenty four hours, Yeah, puts people off, and yeah, yeah,
how do you get out of it? There's no I
don't think you do.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And then also, I don't know if you're as coherent, right,
I think that's one of the benefits of maybe MDMA.
I've never done anything. I'm too scared of my own brain.
But MDMA seems to be your fucking coherence, so you
can really talk through some stuff and you're just feeling
different and the switch is a little different. And I've
had a lot of friends tell me stories about that
where they kind of did you know, not recommended, but
(04:10):
they've done their own therapies of nature that way, yea,
you know, and try to dig in rather than just
obviously it's a rave drug, but they've done it just
trying to dig into themselves a little bit. Where ayahuasca
at least the stories you hear, yeah, they're just like
dancing with the devil, you know, you're just finding demons. Yeah,
(04:30):
and then it sounds like it's so bad. I mean,
this is obviously my judgment because I've never done it,
but it sounds like every story I've heard, I've interviewed
people live about. I've heard interviews everywhere people that are
very very i wouldn't say knowledgeable, but experienced with ayahuasca,
and it literally from my end, what I receive is
that it's so bad that when you come out.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You just feel so much better because it's over.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right, Like you're not talking to like the demons. Yeah
right where MDMA, at least from this video, sounds like
it's almost the opposite the one guy's so that was
kind of like profound. Was He's like, I can really
explore sadness without being sad, yeah, And I was like, oh,
that's kind of interesting, right, because like we avoid it. Yeah, right,
I don't want to think about all the sad shit
that's happened in my life. And that's why you lose
(05:14):
memory through trauma, and you lose memory in general, but
you just lose memory of bad times. Yeah, even if
something was really bad, like a trip ten years ago,
you tend to remember the only good stuff, right, Like
your flight got delayed, yet you got stik, you stub
your toe or whatever, But that ice cream in Italy
was so good, you know, That's what you remember, you remember,
like the really good gelato. Yeah, and yeah, I thought
(05:35):
that the soldier's take was really really good.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Some part of me is suspicious that the the psychotherapy,
the psychedelic psychotherapy angle of it is a little bit
of a justification, whitewash whatever for making them legal.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I felt that way about all this because you
only hear the good stories and they're few and far between, right,
Like you only hear the same guys like this Rick Dublin,
who is the main character, main doctor, I guess in
the mdmay One. I've seen him on every podcast ever. Yeah,
but if like this was such a profound medicine, and
I'm not saying it's not, I think we should be
able to at least legally explore it somehow with regulation.
(06:20):
But why isn't there a thousand doctors talking about it?
There's a thousand doctors talking about like walking and lifting
weights now, right because that was obviously work and they're
good and we should push them. And yeah, same with
the ayahuasca. And again I just draw lines because that's
what the internet talks about. Yeah, I only hear it
from the same few fucks, Like what about all the
ones that went psychic or psychotic. Yeah, like you know
(06:42):
that happens.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, you know, we did.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Not watch the Cela Cybin episode, but I think I
probably mentioned on here before. My son Jake, one of
his friends in high school, his doubles tennis partner, took
mushrooms and completely lost as shit, like the first time,
(07:06):
and committed suicide.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah. I don't think that's uncommon, but for some reason,
you don't hear those stories. And then and then, as
far as I know, and again, I'm no real expert,
I've only handful of podcast, handful of interviews. Person it
seems like it's not dose dependent, that it's so genetic
and person dependent, right the person. So like, yeah, the
very first time you ever do it, you don't know
what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, And I will just be transparent and go go
back to my my early years, like when I was
when I was growing up, you know, sixties, seventies, early eighties,
I was pretty fascinated with the with the sixties culture,
and LSD was a big part of that.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I mean, you grew up in Norcow.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I grew up in Norcow, Yeah, exactly, and so I
you know, I was fascinated by the idea of trying
LSD when I was in high school. So like, I
think I did acid three times seventeen eighteen nineteen in
that in that range. The first time was just funny,
(08:05):
the second time was a little bit annoying. The third
time was fun until it wasn't sure and it wasn't
like there's this question like is it did I get
from different sources or whatever. No, this is stuff I
bought all at one time, and the.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Chances that it was like at least semi natural, it's
probably better than the now you know that you're not
getting like fucking fentanyl or yeah, battery acid, Yeah you get.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean, it's just that we had there was this
micro dot. This is really tiny little paper that they
drop it on paper and and you put it in
your mouth and it dissolves, and you know, in a bit,
you're on your way. Pretty soon, yeah, relatively soon depends
on the person, but like within an hour or so,
(08:50):
you're starting to feel something. The way I will say
that the way they described the colors and the and
the patterns and the movement and all this stuff on
the screen pretty close.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, it's pretty close. That's a lot of my friends said,
you know, they're like obviously from the school I went to,
you know, on the on the Natree hippie side, but
they're always yeah, out in forest camping.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And I'm like, dude, that sounds like a nightmare waiting
to happen, you know, like, and again I only have
the pop media version of what this looks like. But
I'm like, dude, as soon as that tree talks to me, like,
I'm freaking the fuck out.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, I didn't have anything like that, And I've you know,
full admission. On the third time, I went to see
a double feature of Star Trek two and Star Wars,
Oh Dobe, which I thought would be super super cool,
you know whatever. And the fact is that when you're
(09:42):
for me, when I.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Was watching the movie movies.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Visually, I was so locked in on what was going
on on the screen that I didn't hallucinate or anything.
I didn't get anything extra out of it. And until
I left interesting and that last time I thought back
on something that had happened to me a few years
(10:07):
before that I had one context for.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
That was.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Negative, and when I re examined it under a different context,
I realized more of what actually happened like not like
I hallucinated different things like if this mashes up to
the facts better than the.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Way I remembered it, almost third person did.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Almost third person it, Yeah, and which was difficult to
actually kind of difficult to get past. And there's a
phenomenon with LSD where it changes the sizes of your
pupils while so your pupils get super big. And then
toward the end of that, when I was feeling quite awful,
(10:56):
the instead of being round, they were just kind of jagged,
which was scary.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, sounds very scary.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah it was, and it wasn't. I wasn't hallucinating it. No,
that's exactly what was going on. Yeah, So that after
that time I was done, I didn't really have any
desire to do it again. I don't know, just just
being a teenager and being very experience experiential and whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It's like, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, not to uh go back to retrovert here, but
I forgot to mention Liver King's pupils whereas pupils fucked
that whole documentary, and you were you.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Were mentioning that that there was a very brief shot
of him like loading up with mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And then but even previously that I noticed his pupils,
and I don't notice a lot of human pupils because
most people, you know, obviously changes with light. It's a lens,
and you know it's medium or it's small. But I
noticed his through every interview. I'm like, dude, something's like
glassy eyed and fucking huge pupils every interview, Like what
is this dude? Maybe it's the twelve thousand dollars at HGH.
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, it really if he was on mushrooms, that to
explains that whole like thanking the brother.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Cow or whatever for yeah, yeah, so good.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Touched the earth and why why his kids were so
uncomfortable in that? Yeah in that scene it's like, oh,
dad's high as fuck. Yeah, he's Dad's high again.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That that scene and then the ayahuasca bros that that
were very very common over the last again not as
common right now, I would say, but over the last
eight years was a big theme online. It always seems
like the ultra rich also, right, you're not getting these
experiences of the super positive because like and who knows, again,
(12:40):
I maybe I'm jaded or even you talking about your
experience of like it was good to it wasn't. I
even feel that way with alcohol, and so like that's
why I don't drink. Like one, I get bad hangovers,
but two like like an hour in or you do
one drink too many and I'm like, I don't want
to feel this no longer and you can't change it, right,
So then you hear about drugs that you and jest,
(13:01):
I'm like, well those are gonna be hours and hours. Alcohol,
you know, really last a couple hours, Like I just
don't want to experience that. Not it's not even out
of control or it's not like I'm an angry drunk
or I'm not fighting, you know, it's not. It's just
like what's in my head, Like I don't want to
not feel that any longer, not be able to flip
it on and off. But yeah, the ultra rich bros
(13:23):
Are the only ones you hear about, you know, really
exploring it. I wonder if it's because like again, like
I think it's become a more common and maybe it's
because I'm my Twitter's all financial. Now I've officially groomed
my algorithm to get rid of all like weird porn
and weird shit going on. It's all financial. But all
those guys do talk about like, yeah, man, like all
(13:44):
these brocasses are the ones so many money doesn't make
you happy, Like, yes, things don't make you happy, but
money is complete freedom and that's gonna take away a
lot of stress make life better.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So well, if you're you know, ultra rich, and again,
everyone has a different human experience and yeah, you know
you ultra roots. People still get divorces and bad things happened,
but a lot of stresses of your life are gone,
and now you're exploring all this stuff. Yeah, it sounds
a lot more fun, you know, but you gotta wake
up on Monday morning at six am and go fucking
dig a hole. Getting all high on Sunday probably isn't
(14:15):
as fun. You got a lot of stresses to deal with.
You know. There's a lot more angry things in the
back of your head.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, I yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Like I kind of stopped getting hangovers some years ago
for whatever reason. I could just you know, like the
headache and the stomach upset and all this stuff. Just
now it's just not resting, it's just not sleepingropriately, just
really really really tired. So I don't drink a whole
lot anymore. Kind of ever has to be a pretty
special circumstance.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That was a real sharp change two or three real
sharp change online and popularity wise, of like even in
the fitness space. And I don't know what exact I
know there was like a study that came out, but
like there's millions of studies, but one came out and
all of a sudden, they all changed their mind. You know, Na,
drinking isn't cool. Not drinking focks you up, Like I
don't even drink anymore, you know, we're Before that, there
(15:05):
were more about like yeah, I get shredded with one
beer a day, you know, Like that the tone switched
real quick.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Well, beer was so popular in the cross community.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I mean it's strong man powerlifting. I mean you
used to go to powerlifting meets and you go to
the back of room, the warm up room, bro deadless,
there's literally beers popping already. Yeah, And I do kind
of like that culturally, right, because then it turns it
from like yeah, competitive, but we're here to kick it,
you know. Yeah, yeah, we know no one's getting rich here,
Like we're here to have a good time. And so
I do like that. Obviously, highland games like all that stuff,
(15:38):
kind of medieval esque powerlifting, kinds of medieval less sport
in a sense too, like yeah, yeah, so like, but
to feel good mentally and physically probably not it. But
even this world, I mean, the microdose of whatever, shrooms
in particular is insanely popular.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, and I don't like I I tried to little
bit a few years ago of of just a little
bit of like.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
You know, mushroom and chocolate, and I.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Felt terrible, Yeah, just.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like awful, Like my whole body wanted to throw up.
I didn't throw up, and it wasn't that much. It's
just obviously it's.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Not something I'm gonna adapt to and not anything that help.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But you hear, don't get here helpful. You don't hear
those stories? Yeah right. Those people are never the ones
talking about it. Yeah, they're the ones that do it
once and then never do anything where if someone does
it loves it and then speaking a CrossFit and whatever.
They're just on the road and that's their whole personality.
Every podcast about shrooms, every lunch small talk is about shrooms.
Every you know, every YouTube video is about their ayahuasca trip,
(16:39):
changing their ego death or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's ego death has got to be the biggest fucking scam.
All that means to me is you recontextualize the view
of yourself. You didn't become less of an asshole.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah yeah, again, Like the only people I've heard talk
about that are like the ultro rich, you know, and
so like, yeah, maybe. And I have heard again firsthand
stories in person interviews and whatever of people going to
I want some kind of having a third person look
at it, which many also say. I was listening to
another podcast the other day about meditation that if you
(17:12):
get really good at it, you're gonna head in that world.
I've heard a lot of religious folks when they say
they get deep into prayer, they even get that way,
you know, And I personally believe that, you know, I
believe you kind of have a body, you kind of
have a mind, and my mind's reactionary, and then I
have a soul, spirit whatever you want to call it.
There's something else there, and as soon as you can
kind of detach your mind from that spirit esque thing,
you can understand and regular therapy does that, Like, Okay,
(17:34):
why did you react that way? For first off, like,
well I didn't, you know, my brain did. My brain
is like a computer, and so how do I gain
control of all those things? But yeah, if you're the
ultra rich CEO dickhead type to get to that ultra
rich CEO and now you're cruising money in life, yeah,
maybe you have a little third person view and they're like,
damn that was a dick Yeah, like that that's ego death,
(17:56):
you know, like maybe I should just be nicer to
folk and I shouldn't be so cocky confident whatever. And
you know, that's a whole nother discussion for another day
of whether you need that personality to get to those positions,
which I strongly do. And data kind of backs that up, right,
Like whatever, the number is seventy percent of CEOs or narcissists,
you know that kind of situation. I don't think it's
(18:18):
a correlation. I think there's definitely some causation there to
get to those spots, and probably some causation why those
guys are the ones head into fucking Peru, slamming tea
and throwing up all night, you.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Know, yeah, potentially. Yeah. The interesting thing about them using
them in clinical situations as it's played out in the world,
is that LSD does actually have an exemption or whatever
(18:51):
permit to be able to be used a particular type
of LSD in therapy. Whereas they thought when this was
made that MDMA was going to actually get approved by
the FDA for use in therapy, and it did not. Ya,
It's was sent back for more research.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Isn't some of that state by state too, Like obviously
the federal law crushes everything, but federal weed still illegal
and it's legal in twin states because I've heard Seattle
does a lot of the testing in Oregon, Yeah, because
they just made their state legal and they just hope
FBI doesn't knock at their door.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah. Yeah, and we'll see what happens there. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I think that they're we're in a time where too
many former legislators are making money off of weed for
it just for there to be in real state enforcement
at this point.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, true, true, true. I wonder. Yeah. Internationally, like obviously
the mini history they talk a lot about Europe, but
even still, I've heard that even medicine wise, you know,
it's like the Swiss, Germany, et cetera. Are just always
kind of pushing the boundaries, even like stem celly type stuff.
I think was first kind of really pushed over in
Germany versus here.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I didn't realize that MDMA was as old as it is.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, what they say blood clots were first trying to
find a blood clot fix, Yeah, and then it turned
out to just make you high with love. I don't
know love drug. Yeah, I'm no chemist, but I think
that's what they said. I'm like, damn that. Yeah, because
it sounded old, Yeah, fifties, sixties.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Sixties, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I I can't actually cite chapter and verse on this,
but I have in the past, I don't know, probably
six or eight months, listen to a podcast talking about
whether MDMA is is actually good for therapy or not.
And the deal is that, like there's a percentage of
people that it does help in a sustainable way, and
(20:46):
then there's another percentage of people who.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Don't get helped at all.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And in the middle of the people who get some
help for some period of time and then revert and
then have to either go back or they're just screw Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I did like the one doctor. I think it was
the MAINMA guy that was doing the in person sessions.
I forgot his name, But he also talked about like
he thinks that these are like actual fixes because they
chemically get into your brain. He's like, we're like, and
I've seen it too, and you know, you may have
a different experience, but like I've had some really good
therapists in my life. It's a really bad therapist in
(21:22):
my life, but I do like in them often to
like the chiropractor, that's just like trying to sign you
for a lifetime contract. You know, like they're not like
trying to actually like fix a problem. And of course
our mentals aren't always something to fix or and we're ongoing,
evolving human of course, so other things come up and
you can always learn, and you know, it never like
hurts to confess or speak openly with another human, but
(21:47):
they do seem to like try to keep it going forever.
And this guy's like, dude, I think, you know, MDMA,
if I get this going right, can actually you know,
lack of a better term, fix These PTSDs are really extreme
and if that philosophy and he truly believes in that,
I do like that that we're trying to do that right,
get to the root. Same issue with you know, we
(22:07):
can go deeper into pharmaceuticals in our medical system in
the beginning. To begin with, it's a lot like your mechanic.
You know, he'll fix the oil and tell you this
is broken, this is broken, and they just want you
to come back over and over every fucking month rather
than Yeah, like why is in our and sure many
great doctors tell you to go walk and eat healthy,
but why aren't they actually prescribing and working with you
(22:30):
to get healthy? Right telling an obese person when they
come to the office, like, yeah, sebost, you should really
walk more and eat more greens. You know that's not
actually helping your patient. No, Like they know that, they
know they should, But how do we set up the
habits and the routine and the accountability to kind of
get there. So if that doctor believes in that, I do.
I do agree and like that, but I don't know
(22:52):
if the drugs are the answer either.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
My experience, I only have had one therapist. I saw
him for five years and he kicked me out sort of,
I mean he kicked me out, but he just got
he got to the point of saying, I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
You're getting it from this.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
At this point, like I started off going I don't know,
maybe the maybe twice a week for a short period
of time, and then down to one once a week,
and then every every other week, and I was down
to once a month, and it was just a conversation.
Was a similar age to me, some similar background or whatever.
And it got to the point where it was it
(23:32):
was less about just me talking and more about us
both talking about our personal experiences that he was like, actually,
you know, you're just paying me to, you know, basically
have a conversation you might have over a drink with
a friend. Yeah, And and so I haven't and I
haven't been back.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I thought about it. I've had other other things to
deal with that I thought I could go back. It's like,
I don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I don't even know what it would take to make
that call at this point. Sure, you know, uh and
in maybe talking to somebody else that somewhere along the
line would have produced a different result. But I know that,
like I put it off too long, Like, yeah, I
put it off because I had like a whole bag
full of shit to deal with by the time that
I did it. And and you know, like I I
(24:18):
totally sympathized with the with the with the PTSD stuff,
and I I didn't understand that, like I think you
said in here, like like regular people get PTSD. It's
not like a exclusively military experience explaining Yeah, like there
are things that still like they're they're kind of faint
(24:40):
echoes compared to what they used to be. But I
could you know, two or three different things that have
happened over time, I could just absolutely obsess over, like
my mind would not let them go, and not to
the point of of being unable to cope with the world,
just enough for it to disrupt sleep and just be
(25:02):
anxious all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You know, well, yeah you would. I don't know what
a healthy human is, but you would think having any
kind of ruminating thought probably isn't the norm or the average,
Like you probably shouldn't just have a cloud sitting in there.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, no, But at the same time, like if you
have to have almost no empathy at all for stuff,
really difficult stuff, not to bother me for a period
of time, for sure, for sure, Like I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know how to fade those things.
But clearly the people that they talked to in the
course of this during the time that they were filming
it with the DMA part got better.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it seems like it. Yeah, seems like it was helping.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I mean it makes you wonder if they filmed segments
with people who didn't get better.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Right, That's that's my kind of whole point to all this.
And same with regular like you know, the therapy styles
like yeah, it doesn't like just fix everyone, yeah, you know,
but like I don't know if it's ever made anyone worse, yeah,
or I don't know if this you could say the
same for this style of therapy, that's probably true, you know.
And again like yeah they.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And and it's probably It's the same thing with actual medications.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Too, No, Yeah, I just yeah, I just feel like, yeah,
medications that are messing with your mind, they obviously you know,
they're illegal. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, because
because part of me is obviously semi conspiratorial, like why
is everything fucking illegal? You know, like what are you
fucking hiding? And the cultural essence of this all like
I think they said MDMA was even legal to like
(26:31):
the mid eighties, right, Yeah, one of my favorite movies
came out in like nineteen ninety four, the first Bad Boys,
and the tone called propaganda at this point. Goddamn it.
The tone it's all about ecstasy, and it makes it
feel like it's the Devil's Billy, you know, and you're like,
damn really, And I was too young to understand at
the time, you know, I watched Bad Boys probably in
(26:51):
high school, so I saw it well after. But then
you think about, Okay, if it came out in ninety four,
and let's say MDMA was legal in eighty eighty four,
like damn in ten years, that feels like propaganda at
that point, like it was totally legal, and now this
movie's making it look like, you know, Cubans are bringing
in in by the boatloads and poisoning all of Miami,
(27:12):
you know. And so yeah, part of me thinks, like,
all right, is the power above just trying to like
deal with money because all these drugs are obviously out
hold high value when they're illegal. But then the other
part of me thinks like, yeah, maybe we need tighter
regulations because you're not gonna go take any I don't know,
I'm arguing myself in my head because I was gonna say, like,
(27:34):
you're not gonna go take like one volume and then
ruin your life. But a lot of people do too,
because I was gonna say, you do one session with
mdm A or LSD and it triggers off your brain
and now you're a different human. Yeah, you know, And
I guess a lot of our meds do do that too.
So I don't know, I don't know the answer, folks.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, they're I mean, there are definitely they're definitely legal,
FDA approved drugs that that do change how people's personalities work,
in the way they present themselves, maybe to a certain
extent of the way they think, and more likely.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
The high level of addiction just from pain, right, Like
that's the normal story, back pain, get on one of
these pain killers. Now you're addicted for life, and three
weeks later you're sucking dick for some heroin. You know.
Like that's just what you hear. It's what you hear. Yeah,
that's that's a pretty quick dissent. Yeah, they really liked it.
We lost the fentanyl. Fentanyl, right, Fentel's legal. Yeah, it's
(28:33):
a legal drug. It's just it's just been used in
an illegal way. Yeah, and brought in by the masses. Yeah, right,
but like, yeah, regular fentanyl. It's been used forever.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Here's the question is, like, you want to talk about
a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes, they killed Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, I wasn't referring to that specifically. I'm not I'm
not not commenting on the veracity one we're or the other.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Well, I mean it's been proven that the government was
behind cracked cocaine.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, not entirely.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They didn't like create it, but they know they got
it into yeah, into.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Communities, same timeline, right, Yeah, the Reagan they had Reagan
clips in the MDMA one.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I think mentioned like, yeah, being able to control certain races.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, the war on drugs, Yeah, I mean the war
on drugs, the whole privatizing of the jail system lines
up pretty equally with that. There's a lot of again,
like you can call a correlation, but there's a lot
of things that line up really tightly in that era
of drugs, Uh, you know, less fortunate neighborhoods, uh, certain
skin tones and these drugs being released out there and
(29:44):
then being arrested.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah exactly. And one wonders if, like the knowledge
that there's fentanyl out there that's getting mixed into other
things by its self makes.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Street drugs less safe now, all of them in general, Yeah, everywhere,
top to bottom. I mean, I forgot what I was watching.
I think it was a live stream of somebody at
like an event, you know. I think it was just
like a regular music venor. It might have been Marty Gral.
It might have been Marty Gral. Was Marty Girl this
in the spring? Right?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, a couple of weeks ago. I think I was
watching a streamer walk Marti Gras And there's volunteers out
there handing us the the drug to get you out
of like a oh you know what I'm talking about. Yeah,
I know what you're talking about, basically like a counter
to all these yeah twothent al to lace drugs. And
(30:41):
they're handing out necklaces with a little like narkam narkan.
They're harding out necklaces with narcan at the bottom. It's
like all these motherfuckers, whether it's weed, whatever, they're partying
like there's a high chance that's gonna be in there.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
That's interesting, and a narcan and any.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Of the drugs that kind of reverse the fact of
other drugs.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Uh, you can't just like self administer or have somebody administer.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
For you and then be out of the woods.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Sure, because it's got to be got to be monitored
and they have to be repeated or.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
What knows what's going to your heart?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, or exactly, So I mean like hit that call
nine one one, Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
You can't you can't just you can't rely.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
On that to be But just the fact that that's
the norm. Yeah, right where you go to any festival whatever,
even ten years ago and they're handing out credit card
bills or you know, they're trying to sell you a
credit card or something like, it's just a different environment.
But this nonprofit or whoever they were, they might have
just been regular citizens trying to help. We're out there
handing that shit out and you're like, damn bro, like
it really is that common and that crazy? Yeah, And
(31:43):
they definitely killed Michael Jackson. That was fitting all too. Propofol,
oh propofol probably with that and all maybe that doctor
still just stomping around Hollywood just drugging up everything. Is
I thought they put him in Yeah, I don't know,
I don't know. I'm making it up. We need a
doc to follow it up. A documentary. I thought for sure,
(32:06):
I hope, so I don't know. I wouldn't say for sure. Bro,
Hollywood feels so sketchy. The other we talked about it too,
the other dentist guy who's a body brothers fucking drugging up.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Kanye Yeah, damn yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, just slanging nitrous. Yeah it's insane.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah I don't get that.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, drug culture is insane. I think it's way more common, uh,
way more common than people think. I was watching talk
about to wrap this in a circle here. I was
watching an NBA game. It was a clip but from
last week or the week before. I think it was Oklahoma,
which not somewhere you would think is you know, yeah, you're.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Talking about the luxury box through the window.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
No, this guy was like six rows back in like
an okay, see Jersey just ripping a bump off his
finger in the middle of the game, and they caught
him on the Megatron. They were just scanning the audience. Yeah,
Audi ESPN, and this dude's just hitting a bump off
his fucking you know, and you're like, dude.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I thought that guy was in a box. I thought
they were shooting through.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Maybe maybe there's multiple Yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I remember seeing a clip.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Like that, how insane, Like a box makes a little
more sense, you know, at least some rich folk and
they think they're in the privacy. I swear the one
I saw this dude's like mid section bottom row, just
ripping cocaine off his own finger in the middle of
a basketball game while the jumbletron comes honest, you know,
and you're like, share drugs that common? Like it's insane
to me. Maybe I'm naive. I mean I'm not because
you know, in my twenties, I didn't do any drugs,
(33:31):
but yeah, I'd go to bars or whatever, and you
make more friends with some locals and I found out
how like common cocaine is, and even Sacramento, and you're like,
what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, where do people get the money for the cocaine? Well?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, well and like why, like what's the first time,
you know, you just have one friend say hey, this
is hell the fun and you're gonna do it. Like,
I'm just not that guy.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I think you're right. It is in the seats. This
is the one.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
It's like a regular ass looking white dude. Maybe I
thought he had a jersey on. Oh it's Minnesota. Yeah,
that's probably yet insane insane on the megatron that got
his dumbass. Yeah, insane activities. Yeah. Minnesota, you know, yeah,
(34:13):
I remember you think a poorer, poorer state. Yeah, you know,
because when you think Okaine, you obviously think rich white folks.
You're thinking New York, LA. Yeah, you're in fucking Minnesota
in the freezing gold.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah. Well, I mean, in his defense, it could have been.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Meth so yeah, no, it could have been. Yeah, it
could have been a lot of things. What the fuck
do we know? It could have been Yeah, crunched up MDMA.
Who knows, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You probably haven't been watching uh a poker Face. No,
there's a there's an episode, the most recent episode of
poker Face. Poker Face is is like a comedy mystery
thing based off of the structure of Colombo from the seventies. Okay,
the sort of movie of the week kind of mystery
(34:57):
whatever whatever, and uh Kamail non Gianni plays this uh,
this cop who has rescued an alligator and he wins
like a cop of the year year after year after
year after.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
This is a comedy. Yes, I was sayin weird.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And uh uh his uh his rival with that is
an h. The actress who plays it is the little
is the was the little girl.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
In Field of Dreams.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Okay, it's probably grown up, yeah, grown up now, and
uh she's you know, she's really a good cop and
he's a like sensational cop whatever. And he's just turned
over the course of like nine years, it turns into
his whole personality.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
He's got like.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
He's got uh uh, his hair is bleached, and he's like,
she's got catchphrases and yeah, yeah, rockstar, Gator Dunn and whatever.
And she decides to because they have to use for reason,
he's got this.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
This alligator drugged all the time so that it doesn't
kill people, and because he just kept it, yes, And because.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Because the thing is drugged all the time, then they
have to use like a laxative to keep it pooping,
because it would eventually stop pooping because.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Of the sleep coma.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, and his gut goes to sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And so she slips this alligator laxative into his energy shots.
He's got like like five hour energy but just like
two hour energy whatever, and he takes it and he
cannot stop shitting and he This is major spoiler. Territories
for people who are actually watching boker face. Uh, he
(36:47):
shits himself to death and actual death, actual death. Yes,
he actually dies. And to cover it up, she gives
the alligator meth like, puts it down to its nostrils
and so it too.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So you know that sounds wild. Yes, that sounds like
a comedy of old it was, it was.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
It's funn that's brand new. Yes, yeah, it sounds like
o G comedy.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
The best the best part of it is that when
you look into the alligator's eyes, you get it's like
a trip, like the LSD trip, you know, with like
all the patterns whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
It's up on Peacock folks, if you want to.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
There, you go check that out. Comedies are back, mate, It's.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Pretty it's pretty fun watching this. I was wondering because
we did episodes one and three. Am I gonna want
to go back and watch the second and the fourth?
And what's your gut feeling on that?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Probably never Yeah, I like the topic to Yeah, they
just make it like and I understand they want to
make a professional right because I'm sure one of the
producers of the Doctors wanted to seem you know, they
want to push their proper agenda, but then it's like
two stale, you know, like I don't need you know,
a hippie naked runner the forest high, but I need
(38:01):
some something, yeah, you know, And that lady's story was something.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Super compelling, but that's like the veteran guy was.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, it was good, but there's just like nothing really
going on. And then when they did do I don't
mind like little cut scenes in documentaries, you know, the
supersized me, I guess is like the easiest one that
most people have watched, like their little cartoon animations. I
don't mind that stuff. But then these weren't even like good,
(38:29):
you know. They're like showing you like a forest that's
like again like yeah trippy, you know. I'm like, well,
that's not really you know, I.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Will say in the MDMA episode, like all those people
were I think they showed like three different people maybe four,
I don't know, in their sessions.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, they're all super articulate.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
That's what. Again, I've never done any of these drugs,
but it seems like it's just so different than others.
It seems like that's probably why iowas because not in
this categories. It seems like you're very there. Yeah, yeah,
not only art particulate, but smart and like, yeah, you
could see their distress like that one guy's like screaming,
you know, out himself kind of, but yeah, they're like there,
They're definitely there. You can have a regular ass conversation.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, whereas with LSC that's not really the case.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, I'm sure and iauaska at least what I hear.
I've seen other documentaries. The Aaron Rodgers one isn't bad.
I don't think we did that one. I watched it
a long time ago when it first came out. It
wasn't bad just because like Aaron can talk well, you know,
he's obviously famous, and then and he goes through his
history as like a good chronological time, you know, like
the the basics we talk about in documentaries. The recipe
(39:34):
stands true, Like this doesn't have a timeline, Like, yeah,
they show the history of it kind of, but we're
not following a story, right where Aaron talks about his
college career then is you know, getting looked over whatever
whatever kind of goes through all of it, separation of
his family, et cetera. So in that sense, it was
really good it was. It was Netflix too, but yeah,
I'm probably not not going back to this one, sadly.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, I'm not going back to it either.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I'm not saying that it was bad.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know, if you're like a therapist, you're like really
into this stuff. Yeah, but it felt like somebody should
watch in college, you know, like, but even that, it
wasn't like that educational person it really was, but it
was that tone. Yeah, it was like an educational tone.
And I mean, you know the top three you know documentaries.
(40:21):
In my opinion, ever, is probably like a Planet Earth
a Nicharus, where Icarus has cool cut scenes, right, they
do little animations, It has a chronological time and then
it has like real education, like you learn a lot
about the Olympics and the drug testing system there and
sport and other countries. And Planet Earth obviously is like
the easiest. It's got the crazy visuals. They make up
(40:41):
a timeline. It's probably lies, but they make up a
timeline right of the ant he's born today, and like, bitch,
you're not following the same ant for a year. But
I get it. But it is educational, but you don't
feel it doesn't feel like vanilla. This felt very vanilla.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
It did, and it really didn't spend much time at all,
unless I just missed it.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
On on the negatives, No, they didn't mention one. Yeah,
I don't even think they mentioned psychosis. No, I don't
think And again, like I think every drug, you know,
I think someone could take marijuana for the first time technically, right, like.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, technically it's just like losing that grip on. Yeah,
in your mind.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
If your brain's wired a little different than most, you're yeah,
you're gonna be done. And of course they never mentioned
that because again, who paid for it? Who's back?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
And end right? SeaBASS, did you watch any of this?
Do you watch that? The whole thing? I watched both
of them.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, give us your reaction and like the reaction you
walked in here willing to say as opposed to as
opposed to reacting to what we said.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
I was uh when I was watching it, I was like,
uh huh, maybe maybe I want to try this out,
but will I probably not?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Yeah, I was like, Oh, it's interesting how they're using
it like within therapy and how it quote unquote a
quote unquote like helps people with PTSD.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
And all that. I was like, oh that' kind of cool.
It might be like one of those extreme like you know,
reference to I don't know, extreme times need extreme measures,
Like if you have had such traumatic like that poor
lady or this guy, the war veteran, like yeah, like
even psychosis is probably worth the risk, right, Like you
(42:20):
you might be so trapped in a nightmare that this
might be there, but.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
How much worse? Really good?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Right? And you're just so tortured, you know you.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Like that lady, even her like walking up to like
her door, she would hear her dogs just like tapping
on the floor. She's like, yeah, I don't I don't
feel good. Yeah, even going into my own house.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I was like, right, yeah, Like that's twenty four to
seven torture. Where the issue then becomes if they I
don't want to say promote it, but if you make
it popularized like this and you get someone with lesser
levels of trauma, and who am I to judge your trauma?
But you know what I mean, Like you're pretty functioning
and you just have bad times. Even me, you know,
I've dealt with depression since you know, fourth grade. I
(43:02):
just don't need like that level of escape, you know,
I don't need that level of answer. And I think
that's my biggest issue with all of our medical system too, right,
Like you get a little bit of back pain and
now you're on muscle spasm medicine. Now you're on this
pain killer. Like, dude, just like go dead live, you know,
like walk, lose some weight, find a way to fix
your back first, versus the guy who snapped his spine
(43:23):
in three overseas Like, okay, that guy might need these
muscle spas and relaxers every night, you know. And that's
just like culturally where we are as patients and as doctors.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, And I don't know that the medical system right
now too, Like you're doctors are very focused on tamping
down a bunch of shit and then starting to.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Ignore you forever, right, that's.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, and that medically psychologically.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, I mean it's just become obviously a business, yeah right,
And I'm a capitalist at heart, but certain things don't
need to be capitalized.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, all right, let's let's rate don't do drugs, kids,
don't do drugs. Unless you're going to do drugs.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Then we're not. We can't stop either way.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, I'm I think maybe we can rate this one on.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Let's say tabs of acid? Why not?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
How many acid tabs am I taking? Pretty low? Sadly,
this wasn't bad. Yeah, like, can we split it up?
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Can we again like we did the last week, talk
about like execution versus yeah, versus subject matter?
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like subject matter is so interesting but they missed you know,
I think the subject is so interesting. It's just part
of it because it's taboo, right, But even that's probably
a two. And again this wasn't like bad, but there's
like the the it's like a steak with no salt. Yeah,
you know, like I'm still gonna it's a steak, you know,
(44:56):
like if I got a ribbon in front of me,
I'm probably gonna bang it out. But like you just
add salt and it's gonna take it to the next league.
This had no salt, so like even the other, Yeah,
that execution is probably a two. Also, I do think
there's a big difference between episode one and three, though three.
I think I executed a lot that.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, three as much better.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
One one just felt very all over the place. I couldn't,
like you said, like nothing stuck. I was trying to
like really pay attention. I was like, Dad, I don't
I can't follow their train of thought.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I think part of it is that there's so much
information about LSD out there they couldn't figure out which
were the most salient points and just like ride that line.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, they were like San Francisco, Germany, this doctor that they.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Couldn't pick a point of view and just kind of
stick with it even if it was biased or whatever.
And with with the the MDMA ones, if they had
dug deeper, like dealt with one or two people and
one or two scientists and dug deeper into their backgrounds
about it, and and if we if we were able
(45:55):
to see what the people who were helped looked like
or acted like beforehand.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, I realize that's asking a lot. But at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, you're making a Netflix movie or like you said,
show the bad. Yeah, go find one dude that had
the worst trip of his life and just interview him. Yeah,
I'm sure someone volunteer.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, and that's just not in there at all. So
it's not I mean, it's not balanced in that way.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
But again, yeah, it wasn't like bad. Yeah, it just
was like far from good.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah. See best you gotta uh.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I'll agree.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
I like the third episode better just because it has
stories behind it. Uh.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
The first episode, it was just interesting.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
It was interesting seeing how the doctor is just like,
all right, I'm just gonna start.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Taking this city. Yeah, is that is? I shout out
to him.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Well, and what about the labb he walked in Like
his garage was all rusty. There's a sign that said
like nuclear power or something. He walks in, I'm like, dude,
I'm not touching anything in there like that looks so unsanitary.
It literally looked like his backyard. There's files everywhere of
a laquid bath. Yeah, that's what it looked like.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, I would say that I would give the the
third episode maybe a three for execution, yeah, and maybe
a two and a half for for uh for subject.
The first one, I don't know, probably just like maybe
(47:15):
two two and a half for both on both sides
of it. It it just wasn't as as it wasn't
as good as I expected it to be, and it
didn't have the it didn't have the stick to your
brain news of that I was expecting.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
So just for Netflix, I do think Netflix does good dogs.
I think they're the original Planet Earth.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Right, No, I think it's that's that was PBS.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Oh really yeah, pretty sure because I can't find BBS
and I thought it was an that geo and it's
not PBS and BBC, I think, oh maybe bbcus a
homeboy ye Edinborough. Yeah, but yeah, like Netflix makes really
good stuff and even even the The liver King, right,
like the last episode, you guys go check it out,
like what was better than this?
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Although well, and obviously it's I don't know because the
subject matter still sucks there too, you.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Know, subject matter sucks hard, but like so hard, but
even just like visually, like there was there was more
to that than this, for sure. I think that they're Yeah,
I think that that both of these had really good
directors of photography. Yeah, but they didn't necessarily have the
best direction.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah, and it is.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Whoever land land I think is the best words. Just
very bland to me.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, no, I agree, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Nothing that makes me want to come back.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah, no, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I I in watching the first one, I thought, well,
if it gets better than this, maybe we'll want to
watch all of them and knock out the other two episodes.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
And it's like, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's it's weird because documentaries are like popular, so you
think more and more talent and time would go you know, Yeah,
they're getting more popular. I guess like I feel like
fifteen years ago, one would come out every two years.
Now they're everywhere.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
And I think that there's a difference to between your
standalone like feature link documentary and the documentary. I think
that maybe Netflix might be funding the the series kind
of upfront, where the standalones they are kind of made
on spec and then sold.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so their baby budget. Yeah, this did
feel low budget. Yeah, but you can't blame on but no, no,
we're again opposed to liver King. Did feel high budget,
Yeah I did, And obviously it's newer, but still it
just felt that way that they're I don't know where
the budget went, but it felt higher budget.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
I just can't get past how bad that was.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
No, it's not good.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
It's just how just how cringe. It was so cringe
and and just didn't man, it just it was so
it just so let him off the hook. I mean,
we're still talking about it days later, but damn, all right,
Mikey's going on assignment for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
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Speaker 1 (50:03):
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Speaker 1 (50:08):
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We are gathered together today to talk about the Netflix
series from twenty twenty two called How to Change Your Mind,
which is not actually about debate debating, yeah, researching an
issue and then shifting your position on it. It's about
literally about how to change your mind with psychedelics.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I feel like I've watched something on Netflix about the
prior topic too, though, is it like brain Games or something? Maybe?
Maybe So there's like a mini documentary talking about just
obviously how the brain works, and that's what this kind
of talks about more than I thought. Yeah, and I
understand they're trying to be like science y, right, They're
not trying to do like a hippie revolution. Although they
(00:53):
talk about the history, it's not about the explorative nature
of these drugs. It's more about the healing possible of it, mushrooms, LSD,
mdm A. But in particular, we watched LSD and m
D m A right there, which episodes one and three,
which I thought were like, actually, like both episodes were
(01:17):
so different.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, And you know, I don't know if.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
It's if it's just a product of just the fact
that I was tired yesterday and not a lot was
sticking in my head or the some maybe somewhat repetitive
nature of these episodes. Yeah, that not a lot of
it stuck with me the way I anticipated.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
I felt similar overall, but especially with one. I felt
like one had no story, no timeline, and it was
just like throwing data and facts that you over and
over where at least three it kind of buckled down
on that one. Lady who's holy shit? Talk about the
short stick? Like what was first? I think it was
(02:00):
brother odeed, mom killed the entire family and herself, and
then you know, a rape and a pregnancy, like talk
about holy to talk about someone that needs.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Some high level intervention.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, that's just not like, yeah, you're not going to
talk through that one. You're not going to feel through
those pains. But that one at least had like a story,
you know. Yeah, it was a little more.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
And that the one, the one, uh the military dude.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
With the PTSD and they're showing like real video of
like sessions. Yeah, you know, so you kind of get
a feel of what's going on. Where the first one, yeah,
I was just like talking about the seventies and then
talking about the drug and then talking about the scientists,
and then talking about Germany, and then you know, it's just.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
It was all kind of setting the stage for you know,
the the psychedelicsis therapy, yeah, angle, but.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
It just didn't even like you said, nothing stuck, Like
it wasn't that good of a foundation.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
No, it really wasn't.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And like I feel like there was a time in
my life that I understood more about that history of DLASD.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Than they than they portrayed their bio lot.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah. I do feel also like everything just comes in waves,
like all this stuff semi popular right now, but it
was like really popular like four years ago, three years ago,
and then I don't even know. Yeah, the ayahuasca we
were just talking off air, like the ayahuasca is kind
of like the bro version of this. I've listened to
a lot of podcasts not a lot, but a handful
of podcasts on psilocybin in particular MDMA, not as much LSD.
(03:25):
I think those two more enketamines kind of the maybe
newer one that they're experimenting with real therapies. But I've
never heard of like a lot of doctors or scientists
per se talk about ayahuasca. It's always just like you know, well,
I the lost guy, the lost guy is the one
talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
You know, I think it's probably the vomiting that that
twenty four hours, Yeah, puts people off, and yeah, yeah,
how do you get out of it? There's no I
don't think you do.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And then also, I don't know if you're as coherent, right,
I think that's one of the benefits of maybe MDMA.
I've never done anything. I'm too scared of my own brain.
But MDMA seems to be your fucking coherence, so you
can really talk through some stuff and you're just feeling
different and the switch is a little different. And I've
had a lot of friends tell me stories about that
where they kind of did you know, not recommended, but
(04:10):
they've done their own therapies of nature that way, yea,
you know, and try to dig in rather than just
obviously it's a rave drug, but they've done it just
trying to dig into themselves a little bit. Where ayahuasca
at least the stories you hear, yeah, they're just like
dancing with the devil, you know, you're just finding demons. Yeah,
(04:30):
and then it sounds like it's so bad. I mean,
this is obviously my judgment because I've never done it,
but it sounds like every story I've heard, I've interviewed
people live about. I've heard interviews everywhere people that are
very very i wouldn't say knowledgeable, but experienced with ayahuasca,
and it literally from my end, what I receive is
that it's so bad that when you come out.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You just feel so much better because it's over.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Right, Like you're not talking to like the demons. Yeah
right where MDMA, at least from this video, sounds like
it's almost the opposite the one guy's so that was
kind of like profound. Was He's like, I can really
explore sadness without being sad, yeah, And I was like, oh,
that's kind of interesting, right, because like we avoid it. Yeah, right,
I don't want to think about all the sad shit
that's happened in my life. And that's why you lose
(05:14):
memory through trauma, and you lose memory in general, but
you just lose memory of bad times. Yeah, even if
something was really bad, like a trip ten years ago,
you tend to remember the only good stuff, right, Like
your flight got delayed, yet you got stik, you stub
your toe or whatever, But that ice cream in Italy
was so good, you know, That's what you remember, you remember,
like the really good gelato. Yeah, and yeah, I thought
(05:35):
that the soldier's take was really really good.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Some part of me is suspicious that the the psychotherapy,
the psychedelic psychotherapy angle of it is a little bit
of a justification, whitewash whatever for making them legal.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, I felt that way about all this because you
only hear the good stories and they're few and far between, right,
Like you only hear the same guys like this Rick Dublin,
who is the main character, main doctor, I guess in
the mdmay One. I've seen him on every podcast ever. Yeah,
but if like this was such a profound medicine, and
I'm not saying it's not, I think we should be
able to at least legally explore it somehow with regulation.
(06:20):
But why isn't there a thousand doctors talking about it?
There's a thousand doctors talking about like walking and lifting
weights now, right because that was obviously work and they're
good and we should push them. And yeah, same with
the ayahuasca. And again I just draw lines because that's
what the internet talks about. Yeah, I only hear it
from the same few fucks, Like what about all the
ones that went psychic or psychotic. Yeah, like you know
(06:42):
that happens.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah, you know, we did.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Not watch the Cela Cybin episode, but I think I
probably mentioned on here before. My son Jake, one of
his friends in high school, his doubles tennis partner, took
mushrooms and completely lost as shit, like the first time,
(07:06):
and committed suicide.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Yeah. I don't think that's uncommon, but for some reason,
you don't hear those stories. And then and then, as
far as I know, and again, I'm no real expert,
I've only handful of podcast, handful of interviews. Person it
seems like it's not dose dependent, that it's so genetic
and person dependent, right the person. So like, yeah, the
very first time you ever do it, you don't know
what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, And I will just be transparent and go go
back to my my early years, like when I was
when I was growing up, you know, sixties, seventies, early eighties,
I was pretty fascinated with the with the sixties culture,
and LSD was a big part of that.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I mean, you grew up in Norcow.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I grew up in Norcow, Yeah, exactly, and so I
you know, I was fascinated by the idea of trying
LSD when I was in high school. So like, I
think I did acid three times seventeen eighteen nineteen in
that in that range. The first time was just funny,
(08:05):
the second time was a little bit annoying. The third
time was fun until it wasn't sure and it wasn't
like there's this question like is it did I get
from different sources or whatever. No, this is stuff I
bought all at one time, and the.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Chances that it was like at least semi natural, it's
probably better than the now you know that you're not
getting like fucking fentanyl or yeah, battery acid, Yeah you get.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I mean, it's just that we had there was this
micro dot. This is really tiny little paper that they
drop it on paper and and you put it in
your mouth and it dissolves, and you know, in a bit,
you're on your way. Pretty soon, yeah, relatively soon depends
on the person, but like within an hour or so,
(08:50):
you're starting to feel something. The way I will say
that the way they described the colors and the and
the patterns and the movement and all this stuff on
the screen pretty close.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, it's pretty close. That's a lot of my friends said,
you know, they're like obviously from the school I went to,
you know, on the on the Natree hippie side, but
they're always yeah, out in forest camping.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And I'm like, dude, that sounds like a nightmare waiting
to happen, you know, like, and again I only have
the pop media version of what this looks like. But
I'm like, dude, as soon as that tree talks to me, like,
I'm freaking the fuck out.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, I didn't have anything like that, And I've you know,
full admission. On the third time, I went to see
a double feature of Star Trek two and Star Wars,
Oh Dobe, which I thought would be super super cool,
you know whatever. And the fact is that when you're
(09:42):
for me, when I.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Was watching the movie movies.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Visually, I was so locked in on what was going
on on the screen that I didn't hallucinate or anything.
I didn't get anything extra out of it. And until
I left interesting and that last time I thought back
on something that had happened to me a few years
(10:07):
before that I had one context for.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
That was.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Negative, and when I re examined it under a different context,
I realized more of what actually happened like not like
I hallucinated different things like if this mashes up to
the facts better than the.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Way I remembered it, almost third person did.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Almost third person it, Yeah, and which was difficult to
actually kind of difficult to get past. And there's a
phenomenon with LSD where it changes the sizes of your
pupils while so your pupils get super big. And then
toward the end of that, when I was feeling quite awful,
(10:56):
the instead of being round, they were just kind of jagged,
which was scary.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, sounds very scary.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah it was, and it wasn't. I wasn't hallucinating it. No,
that's exactly what was going on. Yeah, So that after
that time I was done, I didn't really have any
desire to do it again. I don't know, just just
being a teenager and being very experience experiential and whatever.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
It's like, you know.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, not to uh go back to retrovert here, but
I forgot to mention Liver King's pupils whereas pupils fucked
that whole documentary, and you were you.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Were mentioning that that there was a very brief shot
of him like loading up with mushrooms.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
And then but even previously that I noticed his pupils,
and I don't notice a lot of human pupils because
most people, you know, obviously changes with light. It's a lens,
and you know it's medium or it's small. But I
noticed his through every interview. I'm like, dude, something's like
glassy eyed and fucking huge pupils every interview, Like what
is this dude? Maybe it's the twelve thousand dollars at HGH.
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Well, it really if he was on mushrooms, that to
explains that whole like thanking the brother.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Cow or whatever for yeah, yeah, so good.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Touched the earth and why why his kids were so
uncomfortable in that? Yeah in that scene it's like, oh,
dad's high as fuck. Yeah, he's Dad's high again.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
That that scene and then the ayahuasca bros that that
were very very common over the last again not as
common right now, I would say, but over the last
eight years was a big theme online. It always seems
like the ultra rich also, right, you're not getting these
experiences of the super positive because like and who knows, again,
(12:40):
I maybe I'm jaded or even you talking about your
experience of like it was good to it wasn't. I
even feel that way with alcohol, and so like that's
why I don't drink. Like one, I get bad hangovers,
but two like like an hour in or you do
one drink too many and I'm like, I don't want
to feel this no longer and you can't change it, right,
So then you hear about drugs that you and jest,
(13:01):
I'm like, well those are gonna be hours and hours. Alcohol,
you know, really last a couple hours, Like I just
don't want to experience that. Not it's not even out
of control or it's not like I'm an angry drunk
or I'm not fighting, you know, it's not. It's just
like what's in my head, Like I don't want to
not feel that any longer, not be able to flip
it on and off. But yeah, the ultra rich bros
(13:23):
Are the only ones you hear about, you know, really
exploring it. I wonder if it's because like again, like
I think it's become a more common and maybe it's
because I'm my Twitter's all financial. Now I've officially groomed
my algorithm to get rid of all like weird porn
and weird shit going on. It's all financial. But all
those guys do talk about like, yeah, man, like all
(13:44):
these brocasses are the ones so many money doesn't make
you happy, Like, yes, things don't make you happy, but
money is complete freedom and that's gonna take away a
lot of stress make life better.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
So well, if you're you know, ultra rich, and again,
everyone has a different human experience and yeah, you know
you ultra roots. People still get divorces and bad things happened,
but a lot of stresses of your life are gone,
and now you're exploring all this stuff. Yeah, it sounds
a lot more fun, you know, but you gotta wake
up on Monday morning at six am and go fucking
dig a hole. Getting all high on Sunday probably isn't
(14:15):
as fun. You got a lot of stresses to deal with.
You know. There's a lot more angry things in the
back of your head.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, I yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Like I kind of stopped getting hangovers some years ago
for whatever reason. I could just you know, like the
headache and the stomach upset and all this stuff. Just
now it's just not resting, it's just not sleepingropriately, just
really really really tired. So I don't drink a whole
lot anymore. Kind of ever has to be a pretty
special circumstance.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
That was a real sharp change two or three real
sharp change online and popularity wise, of like even in
the fitness space. And I don't know what exact I
know there was like a study that came out, but
like there's millions of studies, but one came out and
all of a sudden, they all changed their mind. You know, Na,
drinking isn't cool. Not drinking focks you up, Like I
don't even drink anymore, you know, we're Before that, there
(15:05):
were more about like yeah, I get shredded with one
beer a day, you know, Like that the tone switched
real quick.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Well, beer was so popular in the cross community.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, I mean it's strong man powerlifting. I mean you
used to go to powerlifting meets and you go to
the back of room, the warm up room, bro deadless,
there's literally beers popping already. Yeah, And I do kind
of like that culturally, right, because then it turns it
from like yeah, competitive, but we're here to kick it,
you know. Yeah, yeah, we know no one's getting rich here,
Like we're here to have a good time. And so
I do like that. Obviously, highland games like all that stuff,
(15:38):
kind of medieval esque powerlifting, kinds of medieval less sport
in a sense too, like yeah, yeah, so like, but
to feel good mentally and physically probably not it. But
even this world, I mean, the microdose of whatever, shrooms
in particular is insanely popular.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Yeah, and I don't like I I tried to little
bit a few years ago of of just a little
bit of like.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
You know, mushroom and chocolate, and I.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Felt terrible, Yeah, just.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Like awful, Like my whole body wanted to throw up.
I didn't throw up, and it wasn't that much. It's
just obviously it's.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Not something I'm gonna adapt to and not anything that help.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
But you hear, don't get here helpful. You don't hear
those stories? Yeah right. Those people are never the ones
talking about it. Yeah, they're the ones that do it
once and then never do anything where if someone does
it loves it and then speaking a CrossFit and whatever.
They're just on the road and that's their whole personality.
Every podcast about shrooms, every lunch small talk is about shrooms.
Every you know, every YouTube video is about their ayahuasca trip,
(16:39):
changing their ego death or whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
That's ego death has got to be the biggest fucking scam.
All that means to me is you recontextualize the view
of yourself. You didn't become less of an asshole.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah yeah, again, Like the only people I've heard talk
about that are like the ultro rich, you know, and
so like, yeah, maybe. And I have heard again firsthand
stories in person interviews and whatever of people going to
I want some kind of having a third person look
at it, which many also say. I was listening to
another podcast the other day about meditation that if you
(17:12):
get really good at it, you're gonna head in that world.
I've heard a lot of religious folks when they say
they get deep into prayer, they even get that way,
you know, And I personally believe that, you know, I
believe you kind of have a body, you kind of
have a mind, and my mind's reactionary, and then I
have a soul, spirit whatever you want to call it.
There's something else there, and as soon as you can
kind of detach your mind from that spirit esque thing,
you can understand and regular therapy does that, Like, Okay,
(17:34):
why did you react that way? For first off, like,
well I didn't, you know, my brain did. My brain
is like a computer, and so how do I gain
control of all those things? But yeah, if you're the
ultra rich CEO dickhead type to get to that ultra
rich CEO and now you're cruising money in life, yeah,
maybe you have a little third person view and they're like,
damn that was a dick Yeah, like that that's ego death,
(17:56):
you know, like maybe I should just be nicer to
folk and I shouldn't be so cocky confident whatever. And
you know, that's a whole nother discussion for another day
of whether you need that personality to get to those positions,
which I strongly do. And data kind of backs that up, right,
Like whatever, the number is seventy percent of CEOs or narcissists,
you know that kind of situation. I don't think it's
(18:18):
a correlation. I think there's definitely some causation there to
get to those spots, and probably some causation why those
guys are the ones head into fucking Peru, slamming tea
and throwing up all night, you.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Know, yeah, potentially. Yeah. The interesting thing about them using
them in clinical situations as it's played out in the world,
is that LSD does actually have an exemption or whatever
(18:51):
permit to be able to be used a particular type
of LSD in therapy. Whereas they thought when this was
made that MDMA was going to actually get approved by
the FDA for use in therapy, and it did not. Ya,
It's was sent back for more research.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Isn't some of that state by state too, Like obviously
the federal law crushes everything, but federal weed still illegal
and it's legal in twin states because I've heard Seattle
does a lot of the testing in Oregon, Yeah, because
they just made their state legal and they just hope
FBI doesn't knock at their door.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah. Yeah, and we'll see what happens there. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
I think that they're we're in a time where too
many former legislators are making money off of weed for
it just for there to be in real state enforcement
at this point.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, true, true, true. I wonder. Yeah. Internationally, like obviously
the mini history they talk a lot about Europe, but
even still, I've heard that even medicine wise, you know,
it's like the Swiss, Germany, et cetera. Are just always
kind of pushing the boundaries, even like stem celly type stuff.
I think was first kind of really pushed over in
Germany versus here.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I didn't realize that MDMA was as old as it is.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Yeah, what they say blood clots were first trying to
find a blood clot fix, Yeah, and then it turned
out to just make you high with love. I don't
know love drug. Yeah, I'm no chemist, but I think
that's what they said. I'm like, damn that. Yeah, because
it sounded old, Yeah, fifties, sixties.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Sixties, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I I can't actually cite chapter and verse on this,
but I have in the past, I don't know, probably
six or eight months, listen to a podcast talking about
whether MDMA is is actually good for therapy or not.
And the deal is that, like there's a percentage of
people that it does help in a sustainable way, and
(20:46):
then there's another percentage of people who.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Don't get helped at all.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
And in the middle of the people who get some
help for some period of time and then revert and
then have to either go back or they're just screw Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
I did like the one doctor. I think it was
the MAINMA guy that was doing the in person sessions.
I forgot his name, But he also talked about like
he thinks that these are like actual fixes because they
chemically get into your brain. He's like, we're like, and
I've seen it too, and you know, you may have
a different experience, but like I've had some really good
therapists in my life. It's a really bad therapist in
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my life, but I do like in them often to
like the chiropractor, that's just like trying to sign you
for a lifetime contract. You know, like they're not like
trying to actually like fix a problem. And of course
our mentals aren't always something to fix or and we're ongoing,
evolving human of course, so other things come up and
you can always learn, and you know, it never like
hurts to confess or speak openly with another human, but
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they do seem to like try to keep it going forever.
And this guy's like, dude, I think, you know, MDMA,
if I get this going right, can actually you know,
lack of a better term, fix These PTSDs are really extreme
and if that philosophy and he truly believes in that,
I do like that that we're trying to do that right,
get to the root. Same issue with you know, we
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can go deeper into pharmaceuticals in our medical system in
the beginning. To begin with, it's a lot like your mechanic.
You know, he'll fix the oil and tell you this
is broken, this is broken, and they just want you
to come back over and over every fucking month rather
than Yeah, like why is in our and sure many
great doctors tell you to go walk and eat healthy,
but why aren't they actually prescribing and working with you
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to get healthy? Right telling an obese person when they
come to the office, like, yeah, sebost, you should really
walk more and eat more greens. You know that's not
actually helping your patient. No, Like they know that, they
know they should, But how do we set up the
habits and the routine and the accountability to kind of
get there. So if that doctor believes in that, I do.
I do agree and like that, but I don't know
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if the drugs are the answer either.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
My experience, I only have had one therapist. I saw
him for five years and he kicked me out sort of,
I mean he kicked me out, but he just got
he got to the point of saying, I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
You're getting it from this.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
At this point, like I started off going I don't know,
maybe the maybe twice a week for a short period
of time, and then down to one once a week,
and then every every other week, and I was down
to once a month, and it was just a conversation.
Was a similar age to me, some similar background or whatever.
And it got to the point where it was it
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was less about just me talking and more about us
both talking about our personal experiences that he was like, actually,
you know, you're just paying me to, you know, basically
have a conversation you might have over a drink with
a friend. Yeah, And and so I haven't and I
haven't been back.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I thought about it. I've had other other things to
deal with that I thought I could go back. It's like,
I don't even want to.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
I don't even know what it would take to make
that call at this point. Sure, you know, uh and
in maybe talking to somebody else that somewhere along the
line would have produced a different result. But I know that,
like I put it off too long, Like, yeah, I
put it off because I had like a whole bag
full of shit to deal with by the time that
I did it. And and you know, like I I
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totally sympathized with the with the with the PTSD stuff,
and I I didn't understand that, like I think you
said in here, like like regular people get PTSD. It's
not like a exclusively military experience explaining Yeah, like there
are things that still like they're they're kind of faint
(24:40):
echoes compared to what they used to be. But I
could you know, two or three different things that have
happened over time, I could just absolutely obsess over, like
my mind would not let them go, and not to
the point of of being unable to cope with the world,
just enough for it to disrupt sleep and just be
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anxious all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You know, well, yeah you would. I don't know what
a healthy human is, but you would think having any
kind of ruminating thought probably isn't the norm or the average,
Like you probably shouldn't just have a cloud sitting in there.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
No, no, But at the same time, like if you
have to have almost no empathy at all for stuff,
really difficult stuff, not to bother me for a period
of time, for sure, for sure, Like I don't know,
I don't know, I don't know how to fade those things.
But clearly the people that they talked to in the
course of this during the time that they were filming
it with the DMA part got better.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it seems like it. Yeah, seems like it was helping.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
I mean it makes you wonder if they filmed segments
with people who didn't get better.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Right, That's that's my kind of whole point to all this.
And same with regular like you know, the therapy styles
like yeah, it doesn't like just fix everyone, yeah, you know,
but like I don't know if it's ever made anyone worse, yeah,
or I don't know if this you could say the
same for this style of therapy, that's probably true, you know.
And again like yeah they.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
And and it's probably It's the same thing with actual medications.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Too, No, Yeah, I just yeah, I just feel like, yeah,
medications that are messing with your mind, they obviously you know,
they're illegal. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, because
because part of me is obviously semi conspiratorial, like why
is everything fucking illegal? You know, like what are you
fucking hiding? And the cultural essence of this all like
I think they said MDMA was even legal to like
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the mid eighties, right, Yeah, one of my favorite movies
came out in like nineteen ninety four, the first Bad Boys,
and the tone called propaganda at this point. Goddamn it.
The tone it's all about ecstasy, and it makes it
feel like it's the Devil's Billy, you know, and you're like,
damn really, And I was too young to understand at
the time, you know, I watched Bad Boys probably in
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high school, so I saw it well after. But then
you think about, Okay, if it came out in ninety four,
and let's say MDMA was legal in eighty eighty four,
like damn in ten years, that feels like propaganda at
that point, like it was totally legal, and now this
movie's making it look like, you know, Cubans are bringing
in in by the boatloads and poisoning all of Miami,
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you know. And so yeah, part of me thinks, like,
all right, is the power above just trying to like
deal with money because all these drugs are obviously out
hold high value when they're illegal. But then the other
part of me thinks like, yeah, maybe we need tighter
regulations because you're not gonna go take any I don't know,
I'm arguing myself in my head because I was gonna say, like,
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you're not gonna go take like one volume and then
ruin your life. But a lot of people do too,
because I was gonna say, you do one session with
mdm A or LSD and it triggers off your brain
and now you're a different human. Yeah, you know, And
I guess a lot of our meds do do that too.
So I don't know, I don't know the answer, folks.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, they're I mean, there are definitely they're definitely legal,
FDA approved drugs that that do change how people's personalities work,
in the way they present themselves, maybe to a certain
extent of the way they think, and more likely.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
The high level of addiction just from pain, right, Like
that's the normal story, back pain, get on one of
these pain killers. Now you're addicted for life, and three
weeks later you're sucking dick for some heroin. You know.
Like that's just what you hear. It's what you hear. Yeah,
that's that's a pretty quick dissent. Yeah, they really liked it.
We lost the fentanyl. Fentanyl, right, Fentel's legal. Yeah, it's
(28:33):
a legal drug. It's just it's just been used in
an illegal way. Yeah, and brought in by the masses. Yeah, right,
but like, yeah, regular fentanyl. It's been used forever.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Here's the question is, like, you want to talk about
a conspiracy.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yes, they killed Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, I wasn't referring to that specifically. I'm not I'm
not not commenting on the veracity one we're or the other.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Well, I mean it's been proven that the government was
behind cracked cocaine.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, not entirely.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
They didn't like create it, but they know they got
it into yeah, into.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Communities, same timeline, right, Yeah, the Reagan they had Reagan
clips in the MDMA one.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
I think mentioned like, yeah, being able to control certain races.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, the war on drugs, Yeah, I mean the war
on drugs, the whole privatizing of the jail system lines
up pretty equally with that. There's a lot of again,
like you can call a correlation, but there's a lot
of things that line up really tightly in that era
of drugs, Uh, you know, less fortunate neighborhoods, uh, certain
skin tones and these drugs being released out there and
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then being arrested.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Yeah, yeah exactly. And one wonders if, like the knowledge
that there's fentanyl out there that's getting mixed into other
things by its self makes.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Street drugs less safe now, all of them in general, Yeah, everywhere,
top to bottom. I mean, I forgot what I was watching.
I think it was a live stream of somebody at
like an event, you know. I think it was just
like a regular music venor. It might have been Marty Gral.
It might have been Marty Gral. Was Marty Girl this
in the spring? Right?
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, a couple of weeks ago. I think I was
watching a streamer walk Marti Gras And there's volunteers out
there handing us the the drug to get you out
of like a oh you know what I'm talking about. Yeah,
I know what you're talking about, basically like a counter
to all these yeah twothent al to lace drugs. And
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they're handing out necklaces with a little like narkam narkan.
They're harding out necklaces with narcan at the bottom. It's
like all these motherfuckers, whether it's weed, whatever, they're partying
like there's a high chance that's gonna be in there.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
That's interesting, and a narcan and any.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Of the drugs that kind of reverse the fact of
other drugs.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Uh, you can't just like self administer or have somebody administer.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
For you and then be out of the woods.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Sure, because it's got to be got to be monitored
and they have to be repeated or.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
What knows what's going to your heart?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, or exactly, So I mean like hit that call
nine one one, Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
You can't you can't just you can't rely.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
On that to be But just the fact that that's
the norm. Yeah, right where you go to any festival whatever,
even ten years ago and they're handing out credit card
bills or you know, they're trying to sell you a
credit card or something like, it's just a different environment.
But this nonprofit or whoever they were, they might have
just been regular citizens trying to help. We're out there
handing that shit out and you're like, damn bro, like
it really is that common and that crazy? Yeah, And
(31:43):
they definitely killed Michael Jackson. That was fitting all too. Propofol,
oh propofol probably with that and all maybe that doctor
still just stomping around Hollywood just drugging up everything. Is
I thought they put him in Yeah, I don't know,
I don't know. I'm making it up. We need a
doc to follow it up. A documentary. I thought for sure,
(32:06):
I hope, so I don't know. I wouldn't say for sure. Bro,
Hollywood feels so sketchy. The other we talked about it too,
the other dentist guy who's a body brothers fucking drugging up.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Kanye Yeah, damn yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, just slanging nitrous. Yeah it's insane.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Yeah I don't get that.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, drug culture is insane. I think it's way more common, uh,
way more common than people think. I was watching talk
about to wrap this in a circle here. I was
watching an NBA game. It was a clip but from
last week or the week before. I think it was Oklahoma,
which not somewhere you would think is you know, yeah, you're.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Talking about the luxury box through the window.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
No, this guy was like six rows back in like
an okay, see Jersey just ripping a bump off his
finger in the middle of the game, and they caught
him on the Megatron. They were just scanning the audience. Yeah,
Audi ESPN, and this dude's just hitting a bump off
his fucking you know, and you're like, dude.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
I thought that guy was in a box. I thought
they were shooting through.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Maybe maybe there's multiple Yeah, maybe so.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I remember seeing a clip.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Like that, how insane, Like a box makes a little
more sense, you know, at least some rich folk and
they think they're in the privacy. I swear the one
I saw this dude's like mid section bottom row, just
ripping cocaine off his own finger in the middle of
a basketball game while the jumbletron comes honest, you know,
and you're like, share drugs that common? Like it's insane
to me. Maybe I'm naive. I mean I'm not because
you know, in my twenties, I didn't do any drugs,
(33:31):
but yeah, I'd go to bars or whatever, and you
make more friends with some locals and I found out
how like common cocaine is, and even Sacramento, and you're like,
what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, where do people get the money for the cocaine? Well?
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, well and like why, like what's the first time,
you know, you just have one friend say hey, this
is hell the fun and you're gonna do it. Like,
I'm just not that guy.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I think you're right. It is in the seats. This
is the one.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
It's like a regular ass looking white dude. Maybe I
thought he had a jersey on. Oh it's Minnesota. Yeah,
that's probably yet insane insane on the megatron that got
his dumbass. Yeah, insane activities. Yeah. Minnesota, you know, yeah,
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I remember you think a poorer, poorer state. Yeah, you know,
because when you think Okaine, you obviously think rich white folks.
You're thinking New York, LA. Yeah, you're in fucking Minnesota
in the freezing gold.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah. Well, I mean, in his defense, it could have been.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Meth so yeah, no, it could have been. Yeah, it
could have been a lot of things. What the fuck
do we know? It could have been Yeah, crunched up MDMA.
Who knows, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You probably haven't been watching uh a poker Face. No,
there's a there's an episode, the most recent episode of
poker Face. Poker Face is is like a comedy mystery
thing based off of the structure of Colombo from the seventies. Okay,
the sort of movie of the week kind of mystery
(34:57):
whatever whatever, and uh Kamail non Gianni plays this uh,
this cop who has rescued an alligator and he wins
like a cop of the year year after year after
year after.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
This is a comedy. Yes, I was sayin weird.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
And uh uh his uh his rival with that is
an h. The actress who plays it is the little
is the was the little girl.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
In Field of Dreams.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Okay, it's probably grown up, yeah, grown up now, and
uh she's you know, she's really a good cop and
he's a like sensational cop whatever. And he's just turned
over the course of like nine years, it turns into
his whole personality.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
He's got like.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
He's got uh uh, his hair is bleached, and he's like,
she's got catchphrases and yeah, yeah, rockstar, Gator Dunn and whatever.
And she decides to because they have to use for reason,
he's got this.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
This alligator drugged all the time so that it doesn't
kill people, and because he just kept it, yes, And because.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Because the thing is drugged all the time, then they
have to use like a laxative to keep it pooping,
because it would eventually stop pooping because.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Of the sleep coma.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, and his gut goes to sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And so she slips this alligator laxative into his energy shots.
He's got like like five hour energy but just like
two hour energy whatever, and he takes it and he
cannot stop shitting and he This is major spoiler. Territories
for people who are actually watching boker face. Uh, he
(36:47):
shits himself to death and actual death, actual death. Yes,
he actually dies. And to cover it up, she gives
the alligator meth like, puts it down to its nostrils
and so it too.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
So you know that sounds wild. Yes, that sounds like
a comedy of old it was, it was.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
It's great.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
It's funn that's brand new. Yes, yeah, it sounds like
o G comedy.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
The best the best part of it is that when
you look into the alligator's eyes, you get it's like
a trip, like the LSD trip, you know, with like
all the patterns whatever.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
It's up on Peacock folks, if you want to.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
There, you go check that out. Comedies are back, mate, It's.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Pretty it's pretty fun watching this. I was wondering because
we did episodes one and three. Am I gonna want
to go back and watch the second and the fourth?
And what's your gut feeling on that?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Probably never Yeah, I like the topic to Yeah, they
just make it like and I understand they want to
make a professional right because I'm sure one of the
producers of the Doctors wanted to seem you know, they
want to push their proper agenda, but then it's like
two stale, you know, like I don't need you know,
a hippie naked runner the forest high, but I need
(38:01):
some something, yeah, you know, And that lady's story was something.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Super compelling, but that's like the veteran guy was.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, it was good, but there's just like nothing really
going on. And then when they did do I don't
mind like little cut scenes in documentaries, you know, the
supersized me, I guess is like the easiest one that
most people have watched, like their little cartoon animations. I
don't mind that stuff. But then these weren't even like good,
(38:29):
you know. They're like showing you like a forest that's
like again like yeah trippy, you know. I'm like, well,
that's not really you know, I.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Will say in the MDMA episode, like all those people
were I think they showed like three different people maybe four,
I don't know, in their sessions.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Yeah, they're all super articulate.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
That's what. Again, I've never done any of these drugs,
but it seems like it's just so different than others.
It seems like that's probably why iowas because not in
this categories. It seems like you're very there. Yeah, yeah,
not only art particulate, but smart and like, yeah, you
could see their distress like that one guy's like screaming,
you know, out himself kind of, but yeah, they're like there,
They're definitely there. You can have a regular ass conversation.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, whereas with LSC that's not really the case.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, I'm sure and iauaska at least what I hear.
I've seen other documentaries. The Aaron Rodgers one isn't bad.
I don't think we did that one. I watched it
a long time ago when it first came out. It
wasn't bad just because like Aaron can talk well, you know,
he's obviously famous, and then and he goes through his
history as like a good chronological time, you know, like
the the basics we talk about in documentaries. The recipe
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stands true, Like this doesn't have a timeline, Like, yeah,
they show the history of it kind of, but we're
not following a story, right where Aaron talks about his
college career then is you know, getting looked over whatever
whatever kind of goes through all of it, separation of
his family, et cetera. So in that sense, it was
really good it was. It was Netflix too, but yeah,
I'm probably not not going back to this one, sadly.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, I'm not going back to it either.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
I'm not saying that it was bad.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
You know, if you're like a therapist, you're like really
into this stuff. Yeah, but it felt like somebody should
watch in college, you know, like, but even that, it
wasn't like that educational person it really was, but it
was that tone. Yeah, it was like an educational tone.
And I mean, you know the top three you know documentaries.
(40:21):
In my opinion, ever, is probably like a Planet Earth
a Nicharus, where Icarus has cool cut scenes, right, they
do little animations, It has a chronological time and then
it has like real education, like you learn a lot
about the Olympics and the drug testing system there and
sport and other countries. And Planet Earth obviously is like
the easiest. It's got the crazy visuals. They make up
(40:41):
a timeline. It's probably lies, but they make up a
timeline right of the ant he's born today, and like, bitch,
you're not following the same ant for a year. But
I get it. But it is educational, but you don't
feel it doesn't feel like vanilla. This felt very vanilla.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
It did, and it really didn't spend much time at all,
unless I just missed it.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
On on the negatives, No, they didn't mention one. Yeah,
I don't even think they mentioned psychosis. No, I don't
think And again, like I think every drug, you know,
I think someone could take marijuana for the first time technically, right, like.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah, technically it's just like losing that grip on. Yeah,
in your mind.
Speaker 2 (41:20):
If your brain's wired a little different than most, you're yeah,
you're gonna be done. And of course they never mentioned
that because again, who paid for it? Who's back?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
And end right? SeaBASS, did you watch any of this?
Do you watch that? The whole thing? I watched both
of them.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, give us your reaction and like the reaction you
walked in here willing to say as opposed to as
opposed to reacting to what we said.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
I was uh when I was watching it, I was like,
uh huh, maybe maybe I want to try this out,
but will I probably not?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
Yeah, I was like, Oh, it's interesting how they're using
it like within therapy and how it quote unquote a
quote unquote like helps people with PTSD.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
And all that. I was like, oh that' kind of cool.
It might be like one of those extreme like you know,
reference to I don't know, extreme times need extreme measures,
Like if you have had such traumatic like that poor
lady or this guy, the war veteran, like yeah, like
even psychosis is probably worth the risk, right, Like you
(42:20):
you might be so trapped in a nightmare that this
might be there, but.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
How much worse? Really good?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Right? And you're just so tortured, you know you.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
Like that lady, even her like walking up to like
her door, she would hear her dogs just like tapping
on the floor. She's like, yeah, I don't I don't
feel good. Yeah, even going into my own house.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
I was like, right, yeah, Like that's twenty four to
seven torture. Where the issue then becomes if they I
don't want to say promote it, but if you make
it popularized like this and you get someone with lesser
levels of trauma, and who am I to judge your trauma?
But you know what I mean, Like you're pretty functioning
and you just have bad times. Even me, you know,
I've dealt with depression since you know, fourth grade. I
(43:02):
just don't need like that level of escape, you know,
I don't need that level of answer. And I think
that's my biggest issue with all of our medical system too, right,
Like you get a little bit of back pain and
now you're on muscle spasm medicine. Now you're on this
pain killer. Like, dude, just like go dead live, you know,
like walk, lose some weight, find a way to fix
your back first, versus the guy who snapped his spine
(43:23):
in three overseas Like, okay, that guy might need these
muscle spas and relaxers every night, you know. And that's
just like culturally where we are as patients and as doctors.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Yeah, And I don't know that the medical system right
now too, Like you're doctors are very focused on tamping
down a bunch of shit and then starting to.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Ignore you forever, right, that's.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yeah, and that medically psychologically.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, I mean it's just become obviously a business, yeah right,
And I'm a capitalist at heart, but certain things don't
need to be capitalized.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, all right, let's let's rate don't do drugs, kids,
don't do drugs. Unless you're going to do drugs.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Then we're not. We can't stop either way.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Yeah, I'm I think maybe we can rate this one on.
Speaker 3 (44:17):
Let's say tabs of acid? Why not?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
How many acid tabs am I taking? Pretty low? Sadly,
this wasn't bad. Yeah, like, can we split it up?
Speaker 1 (44:28):
Can we again like we did the last week, talk
about like execution versus yeah, versus subject matter?
Speaker 2 (44:34):
Like subject matter is so interesting but they missed you know,
I think the subject is so interesting. It's just part
of it because it's taboo, right, But even that's probably
a two. And again this wasn't like bad, but there's
like the the it's like a steak with no salt. Yeah,
you know, like I'm still gonna it's a steak, you know,
(44:56):
like if I got a ribbon in front of me,
I'm probably gonna bang it out. But like you just
add salt and it's gonna take it to the next league.
This had no salt, so like even the other, Yeah,
that execution is probably a two. Also, I do think
there's a big difference between episode one and three, though three.
I think I executed a lot that.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah, three as much better.
Speaker 2 (45:11):
One one just felt very all over the place. I couldn't,
like you said, like nothing stuck. I was trying to
like really pay attention. I was like, Dad, I don't
I can't follow their train of thought.
Speaker 1 (45:21):
I think part of it is that there's so much
information about LSD out there they couldn't figure out which
were the most salient points and just like ride that line.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah, they were like San Francisco, Germany, this doctor that they.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Couldn't pick a point of view and just kind of
stick with it even if it was biased or whatever.
And with with the the MDMA ones, if they had
dug deeper, like dealt with one or two people and
one or two scientists and dug deeper into their backgrounds
about it, and and if we if we were able
(45:55):
to see what the people who were helped looked like
or acted like beforehand.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, I realize that's asking a lot. But at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Yeah, you're making a Netflix movie or like you said,
show the bad. Yeah, go find one dude that had
the worst trip of his life and just interview him. Yeah,
I'm sure someone volunteer.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, and that's just not in there at all. So
it's not I mean, it's not balanced in that way.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
But again, yeah, it wasn't like bad. Yeah, it just
was like far from good.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
Yeah. See best you gotta uh.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
I'll agree.
Speaker 4 (46:24):
I like the third episode better just because it has
stories behind it. Uh.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
The first episode, it was just interesting.
Speaker 4 (46:30):
It was interesting seeing how the doctor is just like,
all right, I'm just gonna start.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
Taking this city. Yeah, is that is? I shout out
to him.
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Well, and what about the labb he walked in Like
his garage was all rusty. There's a sign that said
like nuclear power or something. He walks in, I'm like, dude,
I'm not touching anything in there like that looks so unsanitary.
It literally looked like his backyard. There's files everywhere of
a laquid bath. Yeah, that's what it looked like.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
Yeah, I would say that I would give the the
third episode maybe a three for execution, yeah, and maybe
a two and a half for for uh for subject.
The first one, I don't know, probably just like maybe
(47:15):
two two and a half for both on both sides
of it. It it just wasn't as as it wasn't
as good as I expected it to be, and it
didn't have the it didn't have the stick to your
brain news of that I was expecting.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
So just for Netflix, I do think Netflix does good dogs.
I think they're the original Planet Earth.
Speaker 3 (47:35):
Right, No, I think it's that's that was PBS.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Oh really yeah, pretty sure because I can't find BBS
and I thought it was an that geo and it's
not PBS and BBC, I think, oh maybe bbcus a
homeboy ye Edinborough. Yeah, but yeah, like Netflix makes really
good stuff and even even the The liver King, right,
like the last episode, you guys go check it out,
like what was better than this?
Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
Although well, and obviously it's I don't know because the
subject matter still sucks there too, you.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Know, subject matter sucks hard, but like so hard, but
even just like visually, like there was there was more
to that than this, for sure. I think that they're Yeah,
I think that that both of these had really good
directors of photography. Yeah, but they didn't necessarily have the
best direction.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
Yeah, and it is.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Whoever land land I think is the best words. Just
very bland to me.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, no, I agree, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Nothing that makes me want to come back.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah, no, I didn't.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I I in watching the first one, I thought, well,
if it gets better than this, maybe we'll want to
watch all of them and knock out the other two episodes.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
And it's like, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
It's it's weird because documentaries are like popular, so you
think more and more talent and time would go you know, Yeah,
they're getting more popular. I guess like I feel like
fifteen years ago, one would come out every two years.
Now they're everywhere.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
And I think that there's a difference to between your
standalone like feature link documentary and the documentary. I think
that maybe Netflix might be funding the the series kind
of upfront, where the standalones they are kind of made
on spec and then sold.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so their baby budget. Yeah, this did
feel low budget. Yeah, but you can't blame on but no, no,
we're again opposed to liver King. Did feel high budget,
Yeah I did, And obviously it's newer, but still it
just felt that way that they're I don't know where
the budget went, but it felt higher budget.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
I just can't get past how bad that was.
Speaker 2 (49:31):
No, it's not good.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
It's just how just how cringe. It was so cringe
and and just didn't man, it just it was so
it just so let him off the hook. I mean,
we're still talking about it days later, but damn, all right,
Mikey's going on assignment for a little bit.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
We're out, We're out. This bitch but Yeah. New episodes Wednesday.
When you Want Saw Mike, Where you Want to Find Me?
Thirs Street, bar Bell, Sacramento, California.
Speaker 3 (49:58):
I'm a Sebastian Underscore and bel On I G and
I Am at AJ McDonnell.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
Though social media, this show is fifty percent facts for percentage.
The word the fifties just numbers fifty percent facts.
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This is a breaker Prime
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Podcast and association with that art media on the Obscure
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