Netflix’s Untold: The Liver King | Review - 50% Facts with Silent Mike & Jim McD

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I have an hypothesis, though maybe I should say now, okay,
and then we dive into this thing and then you
guys at the end can tell me if you agree
with my hypothesis. All right, Shakespeare's famous quote, and I
believe in this deeply, that all all all the worlds

(00:33):
of stage, all men and women are merely players. Players
and you know old English meaning probably actors of some nature.
This felt like a pr rebuttal to a pr rebuttal
to a pr rebuttal. And the gentleman in the suit
with the goatee, the marketing ceo I think paid off

(00:57):
Netflix to make this. We'll get, yeah, just to sit
on it, and we'll come to your all this conclusion
to theay. But first off, we're covering liver Kings, the comeback.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yeah, the untold the liver king thing from Netflix, and
I'll give.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
It this one. I hated it too. It's probably one
of the things. And they say art art isn't to
be uh explained artists, artists should just drive a motion.
It did make me feel something.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Uh sick to your stomach.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, no, it put me in a bad mood, it
really did. And I I, uh, I've been working real
hard on my emotions and detaching from life and whatever
for my whole life, you know, with therapy, et cetera.
But even in my you know, personal business. You know,
businesses are roller coasters and you have to start to
control your emotions and a lot of things don't like
hit me viscerally. But I watched the whole thing obviously,

(01:59):
and and and like I just noticed for the rest
of the evening, I was like, man, I don't feel good.
This is like, ikey.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
This is part of why I watched it right before
I went to bed, so that I could sleep through
probably a nightmares.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
It made me feel ikey.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah, I didn't have nightmares, but it did it. It's yeah,
the ick is strong with this one, for sure. And
I think that every single thing we saw in the
whole thing was performative by everyone.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
That's what I'm so you're with my hypothesis, so that's
that's probably true.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I think that the people who used to work for him, however, yeah,
like his buddy with the hat, are more critical than
I was expecting for them to be.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
But even that they were like still kind of nice, Like, man,
he should have told me about steroids. They like, no, dude,
this dude's literally a scam on top of a scam
on top of a scam, and then when it's all released,
he has another story about when he was seventeen he
was a scammer, right, Like what they even inject that?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
That is a really good question.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
I guess going to like Catholic confession. He's just letting
himself the whole world know he's a literal scum bucket
from day one.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
I cannot tell you whether or not I think it's
not even whether it's true, but I can't tell you
exactly what I think about whether number one, everything that
we see is completely performative or if you believe some
of this shit and he acts it out in the
cringiest possible way.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, because they kind of led that in the end, right,
Like when you believe something so much, you know, it
becomes your truth or something. I'm like, that's not like
a justification for doing bad things. No, it's really not,
Like that's like the easiest cop out ever, Like, well,
he didn't mean to. He just believed he had to
take care of his sick kids. Like what, well he's

(03:46):
forty five, Yeah, Like you're a fucking adult and you're
you literally are doing the same. I mean that GNC
story is literal fraud. Oh yeah, totally, Like you put
him behind bars, yeah, you know the steroid lit Yeah,
you can't really put them behind bars. But like if
you know where there's smoke, there is fire, there's nothing,
you know. I just I just doubt his business on

(04:09):
the back end, and him as a human and his
poor fucking kids, which will dig into Sebos mentioned like
there's not innocence running around this thing. His kids. Rad Ikel. Yeah, bro,
I went to a weird school, you know. I grew
up with kids with named Forrest and Apple and shit,

(04:31):
you know, like, okay, rad Ikel, rad Ikel, Yeah the fuck?
His other kid had normal name, I think, right, I
don't remember. It might have been like Brian or something.
But rad Ekel is insane. And those poor kids, uh
talk about fraud. I don't think they ever ate raw food.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Because they ever see them put it in their mouths.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
They did when they killed the cow and you could
see them holding back vomit. Yeah that was like that.
You're telling me you're doing that eerie nuts with your
dad every day and then just this time you're gonna gag.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Like and I shouldn't comment on appearents, but man, they
need to see a dermatologist, both of them.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, and like obviously some of it is sad. You know,
they probably had, you know, some kind of autoimmune disease.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Like not yeah, because maybe the marketing guy throws that
into question at the end. Yeah, and it's like, just
is this just part of the story.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's where I do I do agree with some of that,
you know, even like carnivore gets a bad rap because
of the people pushing carnivore where Like an elimination diet,
if you have things going wrong, if you're shitting yourself
every day as an adult, you should probably take some
foods away, break it down to some veggies and meat,
and then build your way back up and find out
why you're shitting yourself every day.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
But it may not be the food. May there might
be the other way.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah, it may not.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
There may not be any other way to figure that out.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, elimination, even when you're trying to, you know, lose
weight or get jacked. Stripping everything away, Not that sugar
is gonna you know, the devil, but you strip everything
away first and then you slowly build back moderation and tolerance.
I do that with a lot of people I work with.
But yeah, their skin didn't really look healthy. No, they didn't,
you know, for how much they supposedly worked out. I

(06:08):
know they're kids. I should never like comment on kids,
but like the one had to be close to eighteen. Yeah,
a dude's lifting weights every day. He doesn't have an
ounce of muscle, and all you're eating is protein. Like clearly,
you know, the n equals one of liver King's slam
and steroids like a fucking gorilla. He's the only one
that looks that way. And for people first of which

(06:29):
we've done many episodes, like for anyone to think he's natural, Yeah,
that's that's pure insanity. That's like like pull up, pull
up a Christian McCaffrey, some say Christian McCaffrey over the
last five years top you know, three five running back
in the NFL. He's a white man. He's a white man.
So we're trying to, you know, keep keep the genetics here,

(06:49):
similar to a liver King, and Christian's fucking jacked and
he is cream of the crop. Genetics. That's the that's
as freaky as a fucking gets for humans pretty much. Yeah,
you know, and I'm pretty you know, I can't. I'm
not gonna put money down, but you know, Christian's probably natural.
He might you know, he's.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Kind of got all the he's got all the.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Abs, he's got some biceps. He's probably two he's probably
two hundred pounds five ten. Yeah, and he's fast. She's
fucking strong. And liver King looks like he's five six,
two sixty with not an ounce of real athleticism. And
you look like that.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, Oh, he looks like he's stuffed full of something.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
And his friends, other people other like commentators, podcasters, logan Paul,
who's getting a lot of steroid, you know, yeah, pushes
now that he's in the WWE, and he did get
pretty jacked, but at least like even him, like, oh man,
he was like all American wrestler, right, you know, So
I'm like, all right, he's got something.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
He had athletics.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Suppose he was got football. He grew up literally the
town over from my dad. He grew up in Westlake
and we're from north Holmestead, Like he grew up in
an athletic area. Okay, you know, maybe he he's six
four two twenty, like a lot more believable, yeah than
Liver King, who if you see him even before, there's
too much to talk about. Bro like he like as

(08:12):
he says, like I wanted, you know, millions of followers.
He was kind of probably natty some of those videos.
He looks kind of natty when he first started doing that,
and then he just started plugging himself full of shit,
taking one hundred takes to be a terrible content creator.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
So this, this review that's in The Guardian used this.
He looks like a hot water bottle stuffed with bowling balls,
an eighties action figure with more veins, an improbably muscular
man who put his bodybuilder shaming physique down to a
diet of raw liver, raw bone marrow and raw testicles.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
And even that talk about the fallacies in this thing.
Within the first ten minutes, they got like a fully
kicked prime rib on the on that table, right, And
that's why I was talking to Sebots. I don't know,
because you know, I followed him loosely. Was I found
even looser than yeah, yeah, much less fans. So I
don't know what his actual like ten inc and shtick is,

(09:04):
but I thought it was raw meat. And then within
the first ten minutes of this he's got a rolex on.
I don't think my ancestors had that. No, he's got
a prime rib cooked.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
And then he's wearing a rogue shirt made of polyester plastics. Yeah,
when he's all about like and then he's drinking alcohol yeah,
you know, And I'm like, dude, you're you're you're preaching,
you know, Like the con the contradictions here are just
so so deep and clearly he's a crossfitter, right, Like
they show the old clips and he's doing CrossFit right.

(09:35):
He's got all his rogue shit on, which is cool,
finding dandy, but don't claim to be this naturally you're
grounding yourself. You won't wear shoes, and then you're just
gonna wear polyester. And even me, I don't like wearing polyester.
I try to wear as much cotton as I can,
you know. But but like, I'm also not leading my
life with the pitch that polyester and things are gonna
kill you.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah. I've got a review from The Guardian and one
from Time magazine, and both of the missed the point
that's in the video that I think is probably true.
That he was a multimillionaire before he started. You know,
I've heard that as well.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Yeah, whether it was those supplements or something I've even
heard is something totally.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Separate, possibly maybe just maybe maybe crime related.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, maybe it is that GNC scam. Yeah, I don't
I don't know dealing steroids. Again, where there's smoke, there
is fire.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
If if somebody claims to be making X million dollars
a year and you can't account for it based on
you know, sales volume and and and popularity of their
product or whatever whatever, they are either lying about the
amount of money they're making or they're lying about where
all that's coming from. Those are the options.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
There's no one hundred mil. I mean, maybe he was.
They also made it seem like he was the first
ever I mean maybe not the first, but they said
he was like the one of the companies to really
sell like pill Form Deliver, which may be true. Who
knows how long the company's been around, If it's in
the early two case, maybe he was one of the
first pill Form but to like popular and so like,

(11:10):
I could see him making one hundred mel it's definitely possible.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Like, but they said two hundred and twenty mil a year.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I thought one hundred mil. Either way, I think it's
still possible. Like he was the one of the most
viral guys, you know, like if you look at the
history of virality, he's he's on the Mount Rushmore right now,
him fucking sketch, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
But he surely didn't do that by himself. It was
the market for people that took him there.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, which which you would think now, And I know
that's where it gets complicated because they're like half pulling
the doctor, you know, the the Wizard of oz Vale.
They're half pulling it, but I think they're pulling it
into another scam. But like if you were ever a
fan of him, you just can't be Like the whole
thing was calculated, right, And that's where the internet's obviously going, right,

(11:54):
Like you go scroll through only the Ashton whatever, talk
about virility, the morning routine guy. Oh that guy right,
Like you're telling me he doesn't have a marketing team
behind him. Oh, probably right, Like it's almost guaranteed. These
guys are just like turning into puppets. You're turning into
like bad actors because you don't actually have to act,
because it's more edited than a TV show, you know,

(12:14):
like to be Instagram and TikTok good and even said
one hundred takes for a story, you know, and like
I'm biased because we're obviously from like the frontier of
this game. But like, I think you should have a skill.
You should be able to talk, not mumble, not you know, stutter,
and not take one hundred takes to be a YouTuber,
because being a YouTuber is just talking, and so like

(12:37):
you don't even have the one skill it takes to
be who you want to be. Yeah, maybe, And I'm
trust me, you know, if we have any haters, I'm
not jealous. Like I don't want I don't want a
million followers anymore. I want to get off the internet.
But like it just seems so lame to me, you know,
like when you go to the NBA, you should.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Be able to dribble a ball.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You know, like if you're trying to be an online personality,
you should be insanely unique. Okay, he kind of has that.
He's a fucking weirdo, and you should be able to
communicate or entertain. He can't, and he proved he can't.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, I mean, and most of what you saw from
him looks like WWE promos.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, and they weren't even good.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
That's why they were not, Like they're so edited.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Now we know it took one hundred takes and they
were bad. Yeah. Where again, people talk shit on ww
for being fake or whatever, But we've known many of them,
and I've watched it when I was a kid. They're talented.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
It's often live right and sometimes edits sometimes unscripted in
the sense that they don't get handed what to say, right,
they just have a general flow to the story and
they go up there and say funny shit, right, you know,
like John seen a stone Cold stone Cold? If you
go watch stone Cold in the Rock, go back and
forth and highlight clips on YouTube. They're hilarious and it's

(13:53):
all off the cuff. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Both of them are really good at improv, which really
what happens.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
And they're going back and forth the insults that they
walk the line because they know they're on live TV.
But they're still funny and they're still like good. Where Yeah,
how are you going to be like a lead on
this generation of content and you're not even good at
making content?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
And yet millions of people followed him and hung on
his every word, and and it was you know, we've
been talking about cults recently, and this one doesn't exactly
fit in there, but there are definitely some cultic, cultish
behavior around.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Him, cold adjacent, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
And like aggrandizing himself.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
No, he's for sure thing one.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And then the way that people just sucked up sucked
up to him. It's you know, I mean all of
us who've been in the content game in the fitness
world for a while have stories where people come up
to and say, hey, your content meant a lot to
me at a time that was difficult in my life.
It really you know, it was kind of a lifeline.

(14:55):
I identified with things you said or who you were
or whatever, and that's great. And then you you just say,
you know, you feel good a little good about yourself
for a minute, and then you move on and you
don't make it your whole personality. Yeah, you know, if
you're if you're halfway saying.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
You think the ick for me is broken down into
two pillars. It's how calculated it was, which is fine,
right business life being calculated. It's good right having a
plan in executing, but it's the it's the calculation of
a scammer. Yeah, and even on let's even say base level.
Let's say he is a change demands from GenZ, the
base level steroid scam where he's lying, staring folks in

(15:36):
the eye.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Spending twelve thousand dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
On logan Paul was chis and now they should have
let his rent go further. They just let the rant barely.
But he's pissed. He's like, bro, you looked at me
man the man in the eye and told me you
know you're lying, Like it is true, Like you're fucking again.
It just feels like an eighteen year old talking like
you're forty five. You're gonna go on. At that point
was probably top ten cats in the world. Impulsive and

(16:02):
even still they do obviously very well. And you're just
gonna just spit bullshit, you know, and just not care,
just not care it sucks. And yeah, again, like let alone,
how many kids are watching, how many seventeen year olds
he's got just fucking go and eating cowcok on Friday,
just insane, insane activities.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
And if you're a particular kind of influencer, you don't
even have to be lying about steroids. You could be
telling the truth one way or the other, and all
the other behaviors are shady as fuck.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, I think, you know, I think the steroids only
bad in this case because he lied about it, so,
you know, so confidently and for so long. Which is
everyone again, which is ninety percent more people talk about
their steroid use, and some, in my opinion, talk about
it too much and turns into promotion really quickly. Right,
But there's still obviously a huge gap of people that
are using to making sureless pictures again talentless, and then

(17:02):
building a following and selling shit based on pure looks.
But it's just yeah, it's just how he went about it.
And then again like to me, and you can call
me a hater all you want, but he just seems
completely talentless. They even showed the very first shot of
the thing. He's pulling a f four P fifty with
a brace on, right, he's doing like a sledge track. Yeah,

(17:24):
and his homies are pushing the trush in the track. Yeah.
And I'm not saying he's not a bad ass, you know, like, yeah,
he's probably walked him out with one hundred pound kettle
bill shit that I don't want to do, and probably
couldn't do. Yeah, he's probably done some physical activities that
are very difficult, but like he's not like actually lifting
that much. I've seen him squat you know, maybe squat's

(17:44):
four hundred, maybe bench three fifteen. You know, you got
that much juice through you should be some kind of
an athlete, and then you're faking half of them. Yeah,
like if and that's why, you know, shout out to
guys like Larry Wheels and even Bradley Martin and some
of these other ones that got hate back in the
day for doing like gimmicky ish things. At least they're
real athletes and they're not using fake plates. Yeah, like

(18:05):
Brad's fucking strong. Larry's clearly strong. He's done on the platform,
But like Brad's a strong dude too. You know, like
at least there's that string of somewhat authenticity with those
type of guys and liver King there's, right, Like why
do you lean towards a certain athlete or rap or whatever.

(18:27):
Often it's because there's like some kind of authenticity or YouTuber,
some kind of authenticity, like you said that you relate
to whether it's a good time, bad time, or even
just in general Oh, I like that dude, because he
looks this way, he dresses that way, and he's into this,
and I'm into those things. You know, there's something like
besides liver King, like to me, he's more of a
meme than a content creator. But it seems like and

(18:48):
maybe it's because we're two in this and maybe it's
a documentary. I don't know, but it seems like a
you know, they made it seem like seventy eighty percent
of his followers were fans. Were in my head, it
was like, seventy eighty percent followers are just the long
for the meme.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Possibly, but I don't know what's real because obviously he's
selling products, so like some people are buying.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, but I mean theoretically he was selling product before.
What I didn't see is like what kind of sales
increase happened when he became this big thing. And then
there was a little bit about there's like a twenty
five million dollar lawsuit from his like a class action
of his customers who felt like they were lied to.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Yeah, fraud, Yeah that works.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
But like we didn't get any of that at all.
And I think another structurally, one of the big problems
with this thing is that there was way too much
set up and not enough coverage of the fallout, Like
you were talking about the different clips from different people,
Like there could have been more of that, and they
could have put him more. They should they should have

(19:59):
shown his people who eventually were you know, willing to
say negative things about him and not work for him anymore. Yeah,
you know, being more specific and or confronting him. Because
the fucking cameras were there, right, I mean.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, yeah, maybe they're not Yeah, maybe they're not speakers.
That's why I think, you know, that's my why my
hypothesis was. My hypothesis is like they build him up,
say how awesome he is and grows so fast and
companies making a hundred million, and you're right they you know,
business wise, would have been cool to know what they
were doing before he blew up. And then you hear
one hundred million, two hundred million a year, and then like,
oh he lied to Logan Paul, and then it's straight

(20:35):
into he's already clean. Six months later he confessed. Yeah,
six months later, he changed his whole life. Six months later,
he's talking to strawberries. Six months later, you know, like
just just every he's been a scammer since he was seventeen, admittedly. Yeah,
and that's why they put it in there, right, like,
cause he's showing that basically since seventeen till now whatever age.
I'm just saying, forty five, forty five, he's still scamming, right,

(20:58):
with steroids and lies. And and then six months all
that's cleansed.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
You're just changed, man. He looks no different.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
No, yeah, yeah, he lost five pounds.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
And uh, the Time magazine review points out the fact
that he went back on.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeah, he at some point he admitted that for sure.
He said he got back on because obviously if you're
juicing that hard and then go to zero, you're gonna
feel terrible. So and then he's back on TRT, which
is the new you know, that's the new cop out
for taking shit, which is literally everyone on the internet,
every natty twenty four year old instagrammer claims TRT. I'm like,

(21:36):
you're twenty fucking four. Yeah, and supposedly you work out
and supposedly you eat healthy, you don't need TRT Like
that's there'll be three percent of folks will need it,
right because of genetics and you know, messy and all
these people fucking needed hgh because they were message five
three at eighteen or whatever. You know, like, yes, there

(21:57):
are some real, you know, indocrine issues, but every instagramer
has got adam in twenty four. Like, you're just all
such fucking liars. I just don't understand why, Like how
big is your ego that you gotta lie about shit
like that? And clearly liver Kings's through the fucking roof. Yeah,

(22:17):
you know, like it's all all of this is pure
ego driven mania just to be popular. Yeah it sucks. Yeah,
it just made me feel so grumpy because it's a
He's an accumulation of the downfall of social media.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Everything that I hate about is the fitness space and
social media.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
No, he's literally encapsulated in this guy. This this movie
is about what's wrong with social media. And I'll be
seeing guys who are like kind of new on the
scene again to us because we've done it whatever a
long time, right, a long time, yeah, literal decades from then,
and have friends that have done a decades and we're
friends with some of the new guys. You know, it's
not like I'm just old grumpy you get off my porch, guy,
But like, because I'm friends with somebody JP and other

(22:59):
people to come up in New Times lean Beef Patty.
I think some people are doing social media wonderfully. I
forgot who it was. I think it was literally last
night too. I'm scrolling around and someone's going off about
how social media is now you know bad. I'm like, bro,
it's been like like, you know, as soon as people
knew you could start to make Buco bucks, you know,
and you're starting to get love from fans, all the

(23:22):
ego driven come and then when the ego driven come,
they're going to do anything else. Same as Hollywood, right,
Like people say Hollywood's scum, Well why because you know
it's how you got rich and famous in the nineties.
So it's going to take a certain personality to move
from Oklahoma to LA to try to chase that dream.
And then the top percent of those egos make that dream,
and then of course the industry is going to be

(23:42):
scum and we're just stuck there. He's just so yeah,
he's gross. He's gross.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
And they talked about it a little bit that like
once you reach a certain level, if you're not able
to maintain that, if you're like if your view count
or your followers or whatever. It doesn't doesn't stay up there.
Then you start to do it more and more outrageous
things just to catch attention, right, and that becomes the spiral.

(24:07):
You can't, I mean, you cannot sustain that for forever.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
I've obviously been into streaming since like twenty fifteen sixteen myself,
but like streaming's taken off and IRL streaming in particular,
people are just logging on the road and how do
you give views? You do crazy things or talk to
crazy people, and some of them do it great, you know,
shout out. My boy Agent. Agent will go to Walmart
live and he's obviously very popular, so people are talking
to him and he has fun fan interactions that are
very innocent, but they're off the cuff because he doesn't

(24:33):
know he's gonna meet and right, he's charismatic, so they're
fun and funny. Some kids. You know, who's a Johnny Somali,
I don't know if you know him, but the other
one's Vitally. There's two dudes that are in prison too
overseas for disrespecting laws of local government. I think Vitally's
looking at six to ten years. Who's an og YouTuber
six to ten years in like a Philippines prison, maybe

(24:55):
it's Thailand. And Johnny Simali is some I don't even
know who he is. I just see clips. But he's
another one that it's like in prison overseas because he's
trying to get some outlandish reaction and it sucks. But
you know, this is coming to a pin where I
think it was this week at least the first major
one I heard about. There was a TikToker who I
believe it's a hair salon. There's a couple examples I

(25:17):
have right now to talk about exactly the accumulation of
all the bullshit we're talking about with pure fucking yeah,
a lot real life examples. I think she got a
drive by shooting because she was live and she died. Yeah,
I saw that she was. She's a hairstylist or whatever,
just TikToker and she's just streaming and as far as
I know, she wasn't doing anything bad, like, she wasn't
antagonizing and she got fucked up. Another one is I'll

(25:39):
read the tweet on the on the nose to give
an example of how all this is just like, look, man,
I don't know what you guys believe in. But you
want to call it the devil, you want to call
it bad. I just think it's bad, like Steve will
do it. Who's one of the right another Mount Rushmore
esque guy of content creation for and shout out to Steve,

(26:00):
who's been relevant since they took away his YouTube channel
and even still remained relevant. And I've been right next
to him. I've seen him interact with people, He's worked
out in the gym I go to in Vegas, seems
and everyone I know who knows him kind, kind man,
like a generally good dude. He says, I got twelve cars,
eight houses, and an airplane. Yet I'm super unhappy. He

(26:21):
just tweets that yesterday I outn't know where damn. And
you're like, yeah, man, cause you're surrounded by even if
you are a good dude, you're surrounded by fuckheads. You're
surrounded by egos, and you're chasing things that just don't matter,
you know. And I like Steve a lot, again, like
I've heard only good things about him, but his content,
similar to like a Liver King, is based on nothing,

(26:41):
Like I don't believe Liver King's bullshit when he says like, yeah,
I'm really just trying to help people, you know, cause
like the first thing he said is I'm really just
trying to get a million followers. Then the story goes
to I'm really trying to help people because I think
these tenants are good and they help my kids. Like again,
he's just feeding his own bullshit. And I don't think
Steve is on any omission, but Steve is a little
bit of shock factor type content. You know, he'll chug

(27:03):
a bottle of vodka or whatever, very funny, very entertaining.
But if you're just chasing things that don't matter, then
you're gonna receive things twelve cars that don't matter. You
only got one ass, can't be driving twelve cars. And
then you're gonna, you know, your ultimate soul is going
to receive things that don't matter. You're not gonna feel good.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
And I'm not saying that everyone has to go on
some Gandhi life mission to be a YouTuber, but you
gotta have something in you that moves you. Gotta have
you know, again, some some Tony Robbins shit, but you
gotta have some kind of real why why do you
do this? And it could be as simple as I
like to create, you know, in someone like a subbas
who likes to filmography, filmography, photography and edit like that

(27:45):
could be your mission. But your mission just to get
a million followers to eat a fish in a lake
head off, you know, to fake pulling a truck like
it's probably gonna lead you nowhere. You're probably not gonna
feel good. Brian, your fuckhead.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
But what do you really think, Mike?

Speaker 2 (28:05):
It made me feel so bad. It's been a long time,
you know, I don't know. I think just as you
get older, you feel a little bit less. Yeah, I
know that sounds sad, but you know, like music used
to just slap me in the face, like even a
shit song, you kind of feel something from a shit song.
Now I know a song is good when I feel
something right, And like movies whatever, you know, they don't
like feel feel rarely right. I need to see Sinners
because I heard that makes you feel I still need

(28:27):
to see it. Yeah, Carry was saying it was insane.
Oh it's really good, and then uh, yeah, you know,
so it's a rare piece, which is great, right. Not
every piece of art needs to move you, and so
no documentary if we watched have I been fucking like
felt you know, and this dude just made me so mad.
He made me so mad, I guess just because it
goes against everything I've tried to build.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Uh yeah, well yeah, just like.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's so close to.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Sensibility is just different. This is why we're not liver
King's or as as popular as we used to be
back in the day, is that we don't we're not
willing to do the performative stuff. I really, yeah, I
wish in some ways that I was, but I'm not.
I can't see.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
I don't even know if it's that because like, yeah,
I again it's like a hater, But it's not a jealousy.
I swear to god it's not because I literally do
want to get off the internet in the next you know,
three years. Like but but he it's the fact that
that the bullshit meter is a ten out of ten
and that's the number one winner. Yeah, you know, that's
what pisses me off, where like I would much rather

(29:31):
have like all these little homies I know that are
trying to like teach people how to lift or you
know whatever, like the Omars, the Allens, who have had
a great success like they deserve that level of success
and the barts, but they they don't get it because
they're not on the bullshit meter. Yeah, you know, And
sure you can blame human nature, you can blame social media,
you can blame whatever. I don't know what it is,

(29:53):
but yeah, like, why is the bullshit win or even
the other Brian Johnson. I told you there's a meme
flowing around I got to find about just hating on
Johnson's but the Live Forever Brian Johnson. Yeah, again, I
don't think that guy's he's he turned fucking weird.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know, he's got a weird personality disorder.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Especially versus again, those clips of him when he was
a tech guy seemed very normal dad, and then whatever
he's doing now, something happened. Yeah, Veganism made him crazy,
something made him fucking crazy. But like even that guy, like,
I just don't think his mission is helping as many
people for the level of popularity he gets. But you
just got to do dumb, crazy shit to be popular

(30:31):
and that sucks. That sucks when like real shit doesn't
work anymore. Yeah, where early social media felt like it
did the skateboarder guy we covered, Yeah, yeah, he's a
fucking weirdo, but he's just trying to teach you how
to kick flip. Yeah, you know what I mean, he's
just trying to teach you. And the sure there's still
some good. I don't want to be all negative. It
seems like who knows. It seems like Jimmy mister beasts

(30:51):
is a good dude and he's doing cool, big shit
right now. People said, who said it? It was some comedians,
Like we know, everyone knows in twenty years is Jimmy
mister beet is gonna be the villain? Like, you know,
in twenty years, something's good at third but you know
he's going he's giving people fucking free legs. He's he's
curing blindness, like he literally is like that's fucking cool.

(31:14):
He's literally you know, like I know he's getting paid
for the views or whatever, but he's putting in real
cash to get real prosthetics and he made like one
hundred people walk. Like he's doing good shit. You know,
even if it is semi weird and scammy and you know,
whatever performative, at least there's a good outcome. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I listened to a podcast last week. I think it
was last week an interview with the head of YouTube
talking about mister Beast and some of the other creators
there and like it was so politic, but he did
say good things about him personally.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
That's what everyone says. But then you don't know too
because you're only hearing it from other top end influencers.
And it's a game, like you're not gonna go publicly
and talk shit like I do, y you know, because
it makes you look bad. Dude. I think they said
five hundred mili year. Yeah, a lot of money. Yeah,
that's him. I don't even think that's his company, Like,
that's him who knows what his company's doing. I think

(32:08):
his company's doing billions?

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah, did you watch this one seas?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yes, yes I did.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
What's your reaction.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
I felt bad for the kids when when they when
they killed the cow. I think it was telling Mike
that the older son just looked like kind.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Of scared, bro, Look you look scared? He uncomfortable. Yeah,
what do they say afterwards when they're like honoring the ground.
He's like honor in the ground and the dad's like
what did you bring? And like even that stuff, Like again,
I grew up in a weird school, Like that stuff
doesn't even weird me out. Well weirds me out is
the fakeness of it, you know, because I've had It's
not just the fake I've been around. You know, I've

(32:51):
seen I've had like classmates, parents cry when they see
a dead squirrel. And you know, like I've seen all that.
I know people like that, and and I've seen genuine
there's no fucking camra, there's no people. And this lady's
crying because squirrel died. She felt that squirrel's pain. You like,
I get it, Look you do you I don't feel that,
but I get it. This guy sitting there and they're
sitting in a circle scene we're back where the cow

(33:14):
honored his life. What did you bring? And the kids
like trying not to like laugh, they said, like I
brought me or something that, you know, my whole self.
Like yeah, Like the kid like.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Clearly looks like he's like, I'm saying this because I
have to. There's a camera on.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
No, there's a gun that that kid's has a camera
like it's sock with it.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
If I don't get if I don't say this, I
don't get my dad's love for his money.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
I think that's the same scene. They're eating a nut,
a bowl nut or the cow nut or whatever, and
those kids look disgusted like they've never eaten that before.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
And and the whole setup of that was I might
here the whole setup that was fucking gross too. About
the whole like, have you checked the freezer stores? You know,
how are we doing for meat? So yeah, clearly, like
that's your job to keep the inventory of the meat
and the testicles and the whatever.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Clearly scripted. But then they go out there and it
looks like it's the first cattle they killed.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, it was weird how they they set it up
where a guy shot it or did he shoot it?
Someone shot and they started fucking running after it. I
was like, bro, what the fuck is this dude.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Some of the early montages were so weird too, Like
clearly they're trying to build up the Instagram persona into
the Netflix to set it, but like just walking through
the forest, you know, in a fucking red cameras that
you know, fucking zoomed in, like just so weird. It's
just so weird the whole thing. And I'm told we
I think we've covered a few definitely, and they are good.
They're really good at storytelling in general, especially the sports ones.

(34:36):
You know, I think we did Malice in the Palace,
which is a great story and still very iconic fight
in the NBA, and that is just a more interview story,
interview story where this one felt That's why, again my hypothesis,
this one felt like it was in Liver King's favor.
Like Malice in the Palace. They didn't make run our
test seem like some angel after punching a fan. You know,

(34:57):
they just told it how it was and see semed unbiased.
This almost seemed biased to like whip around this story
again to six months later, he's cutting melons and thinking
whoever he's thinking the melon for the melon?

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah, I think I told you it kind of like
tries to humanize him, Yeah, yeah, make him like more
relatable and and he's just not human.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
He's fucking weird. He's rolling around in the mud out there,
just fucking he is the smallest strawberry I've ever seen life.
I'm not even picking that one up. Bro, Let it
grow a little bit.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
His wife was she fully just took the pill. Bro,
She's going she don't care, She does not care.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
I mean she got the money, bro.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Sure, but she also seemed like a dipshit.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yeah, she's just kind of following along for sure. I
do feel bad for the kids too, because they did
they they kind of seemed like normal kids, Yeah, stuck
in this, Like now the camera's on us, Like why
is the fucking camera on us? Like I knew my
dad was doing goofy shit. I can't wait till we
hear how they went no contact with him, you'd imagine, right,

(36:01):
And they weren't young, right, Like the one was probably
like what right, like fifteen seventeen, fourteen seventeen. You know,
they're kind of grown now, like enough to understand what's
going on, but it just all felt scripted.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
It kind of reminds me of you know that kid
that was like super jacked as a kid, like from
the time he was like eight or nine years old.
Maybe I don't know. Yeah, I know Tristan who just
walked away from it at some point. Oh, Tristan.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
It was a it was a white kid, yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Long yeah, yeah, pocket hercules or something.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Oh I've heard of that too.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yah, Tristan's kind of like that, but he's still in
the game. Yeah, Tristan was just like a shout out Tristan.
Tristan was like, try to play pro soccer in Europe,
but for some reason, and he kind of on screen
off screen, he's just like, dude, I just don't like
really like food like that, so I always just ate
crazy healthy and so he's just always been jacked out
of his brains. And then now he like more bodybuilds

(36:54):
and he's he's probably like your age now. But I
think he went viral and he's like sixteen because he
looked like a bodybuilder. Yeah, because he just ate so
clean and trained like a pro athlete.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
That's crazy. The Time magazine review is pretty much a
must read with this that I'm just gonna I'm just
going to read the last three paragraphs aloud here, so
bear with me. How do I repent to Johnson Moles
in the film? I don't know what comes next. I
don't have an answer to that yet. Six months later,
though inspiration appears to have struck, he says he plans

(37:25):
to open precisely three hundred and two retreats that espouse
ancestral living with or without rolllexes. There are more Mia
Kolpass for good measure. I want the world to know
that I was wrong. I got all of it wrong,
he says, by the films, and in between thanking a
homegrown strawberry for nourishing him and simulating a baptism, it's

(37:47):
hard not to watch this. I can't say that word
a moment with skepticism, not least when minutes earlier Johnson
had admitted to a criminal past, including illegally printing money
and international drug trading. There were a lot more things
that didn't make the cuts. As Perman, it was the director.
It's a crying shame that so many of these late

(38:09):
documentary revelations go without proper interrogation, which is my fucking point.
That should have been the whole We should have gotten
five minutes at the beginning about the setup, and the
rest of it should have been a deep dive into
what a scumbag is. Instead, we are left with Johnson
as an unreliable narrator of his own fairy tale. Ninety
nine percent of the fucking truth is what I would

(38:29):
suggest to you that I've shared, he insists, and I'm
told his words smack more of more raw ble than
his testicle dinner.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
So this is time. Yeah, it sounds like time understands
what we understand. Yeah, I could see them buying the
bullshit because it seemed like everyone else there bought the bullshit. Yeah,
but it's so bad. Yeah, and what is the cut
of him talking about his past crimes?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Yeah, I would rather see that.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Well, why why did they do like one story of
crimes and then all of a sudden, Yeah, he's eating
strawberries just to like because to me, that's more like
it leaves you with the y. Yeah, like you better.
You're just admitting you've been at criminal for twenty years. Yeah,
and then six months, yeah you're a strawberry loving and
then retreats. I mean that's just the I mean, really.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
He's just another scam.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, he's delayed what the industry's already done, right, the
industry has always been, you know, twenty ten to twenty fifteen,
we're like, oh wow, I could remote coach, So you
become an online coach to actually help people. Then everyone
does it because they see it's easy money. Then you
go into oh my gosh, it's all about consumables, so
then you make a supplement company. Twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen,
every motherfucker made a supplement company. And then now what

(39:41):
are they doing. They're doing some kind of life in
person alpha male retreat coach because now you can charge
ten grand for three days of work, right Like, he's
literally just showing the evolution of online's scammer. Yeah, he's
just delayed. He's just five years behind. I hope no
one goes bro if there you take one thing from

(40:01):
this podcast, don't go to one of his fucking retreats. Man.
I've seen some retreat shit on my timeline right now,
and it's just so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
It doesn't it doesn't make any sense. Let's, uh, let's
rate this thing, and then I want to to get
to one other issue that you and I have talked
about a little bit. So I don't know of any
way other to rate this than with bull testicles.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Wasn't there real studies storry to interrupt? Wasn't there real
studies that even showed like a regular cooked ass New
York strip, like a normal human meal, has nearly amount
of nutrients that you need compared to like this liver.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Like you know, like I'm sure there was, and if
there wasn't, who cares.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yes, there's just no way, Like a big ass side
of broccoli in a New York strip doesn't give me
what I need versus a bull. And the testosterone thing
the wife's talking about eating nuts to get testosterone is
totally debunked, that's for sure. Like that means you give
a blowjob and all of a sudden you're getting fucking
you know, Christ Swallowers, not the spinners, are getting more

(41:03):
fucking jack gains. Yeah, that's just absolutely insane. You eating
nothing to get in that? Like, what the fuck are
we talking about? She literally is eating a nut saying like, well,
I need to stosterone too, Like, I don't think it
works that way, lady.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Yeah, if you need testosterone, it's probably that your body
is making it, because women do have testosterone and whatnot.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
And even that likestron flows through your body, not all men.
Stroone just sits in my nut.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, and to think that it would survive a trip
through your.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Gut, Yeah, you're gonna absorb that test like we know
that doesn't work. Yeah, yeah, brainless.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Oh my god, all right to the to the to
the rating point, back to both testicles. How many bull
testicles would you give that you want to do? You
want to actually let's let's split it into Yeah, one
for the subject and one for the execution.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, so like the subject and all that is like, yeah,
like a negative one, like fuck that guy, fuck this
whole thing, fuck a scam. Like now we're just like
promoting scams and trying to make them look nice. Yeah,
you know, we're putting a bow on, in my opinion,
like a shitter. In terms of execution. Yeah, it's like
a a documentary style. It wasn't Untold's best by any means.

(42:14):
I just don't think it was as as concise. The
timeline wasn't as good they clearly, We've talked about it
many times, like for a documentary, you need the subject,
which they got right. They got the fun, the exciting subject,
but then the actual execution was you know, mediocre at best.
So even for that, maybe like a two eight. Yeah,

(42:34):
And it's hard to differentiate my shitty feeling afterwards because
it is it just feels so scammy, well because it's
scammy beyond like they're showing you the scam, right, the
whole movie is about showing a scam, but I know
there's a scam to the scam, right, That's why it
feels gross. Right, Like I've seen other crime stuff and
they're telling you about their past and now they're in

(42:55):
prison or you know, murdered documentaries or whatever, and that
makes you feel like not good, but you understand, like,
all right, justice was done. Either they're in jail or
they've actually changed. But I know this is just a
bow a scam, bow on a scam.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
See bess Uh, I don't honestly, if they agree, I'll
probably just give it a three.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
They could have done a lot better if they probably
if they would have went into like the criminals criminal
fast then just talked about that made it maybe made
it like thirty minutes longer just to talk about that
and then not give it the the ending that it got.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, I didn't really like the ending.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
The ending sucked, yeah for me. For for this, for
the subject, it's it can't be more than a one
one one testicle, he sucks. Uh. And in terms of
the execution, I can't go more than about a two
and a half because of the way that it was constructed.
It does seem scammy on its face. It does seem

(43:53):
like a rehabilitation a misguided rehabilitation project.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, that's why it feels like such a are stunt,
Like my original hypothesis. It feels like that marketing guy
has a director friend or yeah, he's a user friend.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
He's that he might not be he might not actually
have a title. That means he's still working for him. Yeah,
but he may indeed still be working for him as
a consultant or something and not have and not disclose that.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, we were like they own yeah, a bank account
together or something shit.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Some something, I don't know. It seemed it just doesn't
seem because, like.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
We said, even honest, even when the homies like condemn him,
they don't really yeah, you know, they kind of say, like,
dang sucks Brian steroids.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yeah, I'm a little bit. I'm upset that I was.
I was fooled.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Yeah, I thought we were closer than that. He could
have told me about a steroids.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
It's like, does this guy close to anybody that isn't performative? No, no, no,
you don't get any sense. You don't. You don't. His
relationship with his wife seems performative, his relationship with the
kids seems performative, His relationship with his with the people
shooting his ship seems performative. Running his company Performative. You know,
it's just it's just so unreal.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
When and the whole marketing team puts the whole responsibility
on him too, right, Like bitch, as you were just
as involved. Yeah yeah, like one, your naives shit if
you think he's natural? Yeah, and then two like you
even if he isn't it? Like to me, it's just
as bad, eh, almost just as bad to be on steroids,
lie about it to sell a supplement as it is
to fake pull a truck to show your performance. Yeah right,

(45:25):
that's like lifting with fake plates to sell a pre workout.
Like that sucks. That's a scam, that's a lie. And
his whole marketing team wrote that up. They wrote that
script to push the truck to make it look like
he's pulling it. Like, you're just as lame, you know,
like yeah, is that illegal or are you the total
devil for doing that?

Speaker 3 (45:42):
No?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
But like you're lame, You're fucking lame.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, And I mean I would say it's probably I mean,
if if he's laying it off on the supplements that
he takes or the lifestyle that he promotes, and he's
getting money from that somehow or another, including actually just
money from from the social media right part of it. Right,
it's it's fraud. It's just fraud.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
Like you don't have to say, like I only pulled
that truck because of ancestral supplements for it to be
fraud like your everything, Like marketing is more complex than that.
This is the top of your funnel, and we know
the bottom of your funnels to buy this shit supplement, Like, yeah,
you're lame.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, yeah for sure. So that's where I am with it.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Get fucked, Brian Johnson.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Fuck Brian Johnson. Okay, So the other thing I wanted
to cover real quick was we've been talking about the
marketing of the live performance of World Strongest Man. And
it's a TV show and they like they set reset,
they get you know, we need crowd noise here. Just
it just it's just like going to see it like

(46:43):
I went to Colbert in January. It's the same kind
of thing for that, except that Colbert knows how to
how to pack the stands. Yeah, because they don't charge anybody.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, and that genius. They've done these kind of shows
for seventy years. Yeah, and they've always stuck to that
model because they know it works and you're gonna get
people that are excited to be there.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I mean yeah, and I mean for some for some
really hot shows, it's it's hard to get tickets or whatever.
And when you when there's a show like Colbert where
they produce a lot of them, then you know they
have to pull people off the street to fill out
an audience. But in reality, like most of the people
who were there already got their tickets.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Online prices right or whatever, those fuckers are stoked to
be there.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Uh, a worst hoist man doesn't do that.
They were charging.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
They did, suppose, I mean as far as we know
they did. Besides this one, right because we went free
both times.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
The last time that they were here, they were charging
for the stands yeacause they didn't they didn't try to
block off the area.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I think they stand. Yeah, they had a VIP tent. Yeah,
and then they had a stand on only one side
though I think.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
This was three sides, two sides.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Yeah. The one before there was at least at least
a football field of gap you could hang out in
and clearly see right, and there was there was a
giant crowd.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
This was it was very hard to see you. They had,
you know, temporary fencing up with the privacy screenshit on
it so literally you had to stand up above it
so you could see if you wanted to see it.
Was two hundred bucks for VIP tickets.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Yeah, I think even eighty bucks for a shit in
the stand. And again, like going to the past cool
ones like Venice Beach, it looked like people were just
making a semicircle on the beach.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
And I don't even necessarily think they have for it
has to be free, but don't make it so expensive
that if somebody is going to travel to see it, right,
they're going to have to spend it also an arm
and a leg to get into it.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Was it two hundred bucks an event or even a day?
It just seems crazy. I think it was a day
because even that, right, there's two events a day. Yeah,
they're in like an hour long. Why do you.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Feel like you have to make money off of the crowd.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Well, like yeah, and I do understand monetizing every inch
of your business, but like we covered a long time ago,
the Lakers kind of created sports entertainment. You could argue, right,
and and what do they do and what do they
do at every single place. Now, Like, all right, you're
paying thirty bucks to sit in the upper deck in
the NBA. And yeah, I understand there's eighty two games
and it's different or forty games if you're at home.

(49:21):
I understand that's different than one World Strongest many year,
but let's just bear with me. Thirty bucks, you're sitting
in the upper deck. You're getting fucking T shirts thrown
at you for free. You're getting a two hour long
sports game, longer if it's baseball, longer if it's football.
You're going to halftime show of a B list celebrity,
you know, like I saw Motel Jordan, you know, I

(49:42):
got dude sings Legit hits, you know, for thirty bucks.
And so now you're going to World's Strongest Man. You're
spending eighty dollars. You're seeing one hour an event or
maybe two one hour events separated by six hours where
you have to like find some shit to do in between.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
And because you're the audience, you're also performing.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Right, You're getting yelled at one to clap, and again,
who knows, we'll see come Christmas when this thing gets
released fucking twenty months from now. I bet you the
stands are kind of empty and it looks silly.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
I saw that. Yeah, I saw the the natural Stone
medley of the Ultimate Winner when I was over there,
and like they're gonna have to seriously sweeten up the
cheering because like he was a first time competitor.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yeah, they're called the full House for the rights of
the clap track.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, and they're they're aiing people into the stands or something.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I mean they legitimately should have just done that to start.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yeah, man, yeah, exactly that if that was the deal
or just they could have filled the stands if they
if it hadn't been for the cost and for the
you know, let's throw up a fence or whatever. It
reminds me there's no.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Way their cost is that much. Yeah, because like they're
working with like the Sac City people, like they probably
want that event. You know, like they're finding a way
to make this work.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
There is short sighted. It actually in some ways kind
of reminds me of and some people are gonna feel
stepped on when I say this, but when they try
to control the sitelines for video for big parlifting needs,
it's like your sport benefits from people in the crowd,

(51:25):
Your activities.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
They do pay per views for some live lifting now,
and I'm like, dude, who's going to pay for that?
Like there's We're just not at that point. And since
we're a community driven thing much like strong Man, like
you have to like we already talked about it off air,
like the Arnold. I see Arnold fucking pop up on
his story like literally four days ago talking about raising
his prize perse I believe for Strongman, but for sure

(51:48):
bodybuilding at the Arnold, And I do know the Bodybuilding
show you have to buy tickets for whatever.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
It's in an auditorium, but the strong Man.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
So it's fucking sick because it's literally in the middle
of the Expo and there's thousands of peace people just
you know, ask the nuts trying to watch these guys
deadlift on stage. It's fucking rat I remember sneaking in
uh you know whatever the epic year was, like Brian
versus Store deadlift off and I'm sneaking to the front

(52:14):
and the crowd's going insane. And yeah, they bought a
ticket to the expo, but even that's forty bucks one
and then two. It's in the biggest expo in America, right,
and then you get to watch this on the side,
and of course the crowd interaction is only going to
help the athletes. Imagine being an athlete, you gotta go
do your heaviest Atlas Stone. Ever you look in the
crowd and there's fucking fifty percent green chairs. Yeah that sucks. Yeah,

(52:39):
that fucking sucks. Like it's the one time you have
a crowd watching you lift. Ever, no one cares about
you or your sport. And then no one's there because
whoever's putting this thing on charge two hundred dollars, Yeah,
it seems silly. I just don't think we're there yet.
Find other ways to monetize, Like we talked about, like
two hundred bucks should be. You get to meet every
fucking strong man, You get a free shirt and they're

(53:00):
signing that bitch. Yeah, and you get to go play
with the stone after Yeah, you know, you get to
go on stage after all. Right, I get two hundred
bucks for that. You know, if I'm a dad and
my kids just getting to the gym, Yeah, I'm paying that,
I'm paying that. But just to sit in the crowd
for an hour and get nothing, it just seems weird
And again, like money's tight in the world. Strongman fans
aren't known to be the richest, so you know, like

(53:22):
it's just a grassroots sports and you're trying to take
it away from that. Like I know they I don't know,
it just makes no sense. I don't know what they're thinking,
is like, there's other ways to make money. If you
really want to do shit, run run a local strongman
meet on the side. Yeah, not only to fill the time,
but then you can charge those competitors two hundred bucks
to get it because they get to be at the
biggest day.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
A regular I don't know what a strong man is,
but a regular power lifting meets one hundred bucks for
a membership, one hundred and twenty five bucks to compete, right,
So two twenty five and you're just competing in a
regular ass gym or high school. I could see high
level strong men that aren't pros paying two hundred three
hundred bucks to go compete in between the World's Strongest
Man event and now the crowd's got some shit to watch,

(54:02):
and you're gonna make just as much money. Yeah, you
get fifty male competitors, fifty women competitors, and they're each
paying two ten You built an audience, they're gonna hang
out afterwards to watch. They're all gonna buy a fucking
T shirt, and they're legitimate competitors to entertain the crowd
in between your events, you know, like boom, you're welcome.
SPD fucking send me an invoice, you know, Like how
much consulting? I made that up on the spot. Like

(54:24):
if you put real brain power into this, you can
find ways to make it cooler and make the money
while making it better. Just charging for a tick in
the stands doesn't make the event better.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
No, it sure doesn't.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
It literally takes away from the event. And there's other ways. Yeah,
there's some million ways to go get another sponsor. They
have some like barrel company, right cracker or whatever the
fuck it's called cracking was it called? They have a
knack Knack Knack. They have Knack Barrel, which I think
is just like a shipping company. And then they have
SPDE like O get a fucking protein sponsor like Metrics

(54:57):
used to be. Go get a fucking shoe company, Go
get you know, there's a million other companies out there
that'll sponsor this thing. Like there's ways to make money.
There's ways to make money. And then if if you know,
if the illuminati of SPD is blocking other sponsors, like
maybe they do another federation so I don't know, that's
then make them pay more and then don't worry about money. Right,

(55:18):
there is such thing as monopolizing sponsorship. That's great, you know,
but then pay up so we don't have the church tickets.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, you, your sponsorship has to be at a certain
level if you're gonna block everybody.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm not against that idea, But fucking
pay ups so we ain't gotta pay to watch seems silly.
Seems silly.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I wonder if they'll announce where they are next. They're
gonna take up an option here? Probably not because the
church town of Bucks and no one's there, and they're
gonna blame the city. They'll blame the fans.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, that's actually that's another part of it that I
that I'm disturbed by. They said, how is it? I
don't know what the other cities look like, and I
mean they're probably with camera angles or whatever, try to
try to minimize the fact that it's not not filled out.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
But for all we know, they didn't charge, right, they
did Charleston er wherever, rtal or whatever. One year in between,
two years in between you oh, two two in a row. Yeah,
they did two in a row here and then two
away and then so three years ago though as far
as we know, they barely charged, right, Yeah, you could see. Well,
yeah we saw, we saw everything we wanted. We saw
everything we wanted. There's a mini gate so you don't

(56:18):
jump on the thing, and that's it.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
That's it. Yeah, the it was, I mean, really the
worst of it is the fact that they tried to
they put this privacy screen. Yeah. It just doesn't make
any sense. No, it doesn't make any sense. So I
don't know. All right, that's all I got.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
All right, ladies and gentlemen. New episode is every Wednesday.
I'm a solid Mike.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Where you want to find me, I'm Sebastian.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
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Speaker 1 (56:38):
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This show is fifty percent the word and fifties just numbers.
Fifty percent of that. Facts is a speaker Prime podcast
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Speaker 3 (56:55):
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