June 25, 2025 • 46 mins
Some athletes are made for super stardom on the field of play, but truly fumble in their personal lives. Brett Favre is one of them. From dick pic scandals to alleged fraud, Farve tarnished his legacy with a series of seemingly boneheaded moves. This Netflix documentary series takes a sharply critical look at one of the game’s best quarterbacks, one who maybe never understood how good he had it, and definitely didn’t know when to quit.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So we're in I. I was just showing you, guys,
Sea Bass and Mike this app from Adobe called Project
Indigo that lets you use your iPhone to take pictures
in just a really different way than has happened before,
where you know, like live photos on the the on
(00:33):
the iPhone, there's just it's basically just a little snippet
of video and then you can just find your spot
in it and make that the actual picture, and it
kind of makes a decision for you, but you can
override that. This thing takes a bunch of pictures and
knits them together with AI to make the perfect version
of the picture, which is crazy AI. You know, it
(00:54):
does a lot of good things, but I read a
bit yesterday about the problems with AI, and of course
it's not going to open up for me.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Do we want the perfect picture though?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh ah?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Sometimes yeah, real estate, real estate, but like humans, you know, yeah, true,
Like we're just getting further away from like capturing a moment.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I think, yeah, well, which is the point, right?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah? I think that. I mean some of these pictures,
as great as they look, have a little bit of
an uncanny valley quality to them. Yeah, there's like forty
eight of them on the website and you can go
through them, and some of them look like, oh, that
looks really cool and normal and whatever, and the other
one looks this looks cooked.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, like a landscape, real estate, a car, like objects obviously,
but like, yeah, if you're taking it like a sports
game or something, you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Want a little grain in there.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, and you want to like feel it a little bit.
And I feel like the only way you feel things
is with flaws, Like you don't feel perfection. Yeah, this
is true.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's why. That's actually one of the keys to making
something esthetic is having the in a flaw.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, something right or even yeah, like in tiar design.
I'm never taking courses, but I imagine you don't want
everything perfectly symmetrical. It's just like it's just that your
eyes don't like that. It feels weird.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The Catholic church edict yeah that churches and cathedrals cannot
be perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So yeah, it just makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And there's like more windows on one side than the other.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And we're already sucking that up right, like because there's
already photoshop and like face tune. Like the more I
see it on Instagram, it's insane, Like I try not
to pay attention, and luckily it's not really my career anymore,
although it's adjacent to everything we do and a part
of what we do. But like scrolling around and so
(02:41):
my shit's more cars and you know, finance shit I
like to read, which is great rather than what I
have to create. But scrolling around, I still see a
bunch of fitness stuff and it's just like so apparent
from so far away that every part of every human
has been smoothed out. I'm like, you guys don't have
like hair, you don't have a single wrinkle, you know,
(03:01):
like literally some of these people, I think if I
saw him in person, I wouldn't recognize them, Like it's
that extreme. And so we get the perfect picture and
then we're gonna get the perfect face tune on top
of that, like we're literally cook. Well, there'll there just
be no room for a creator. Yeah right, it'll just
be it'll just make it AI. It already is right,
And then we were talking all fair about the stormtroopers
(03:22):
and the Bigfoot and the monkeys like it's so good yeah,
and it's funny yeah, and like the prompter, the writers
will only get better and who knows, twenty years from now,
they might be obsolete, right, AI might be able to
algorithmically write something funny that, right, But yeah, I think
it's gonna change shit so fast, and we've already I
(03:44):
think talked about in the past where part of the
huge strike in acting was like many things, I think
we're on the list, but like using people's face just
once and then being able to use it forever, right,
and so like it's cool and I love tech, but
part of what makes content cool. And another reason I
(04:05):
almost purely watch live streams now is because you can't
hide the authentic. Yeah, you know, podcasts are similar in
some senses, although you know, maybe thirty percent or edited
or who knows, maybe more now because we don't know
all these people we don't, you know, because in the
beginning I thought YouTube was fully authentic, and then I
started doing YouTube collapse and I see how many takes
and edits people do. Yeah, and obviously YouTube's elevated now
(04:27):
mister Beast is making TV shows.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You know, Mister Beast is rumored to be buying the Angels.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
No, I don't doubt it, the Angels. I don't doubt it.
He's got so much money.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, I don't know if it's really gonna hap. I
don't know that the ownership. You know that the owner's
committee would actually approve.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think they should. I actually think it would be
their smartest play ever. Mister pieces go crazy with that.
Probably he would probably implement like game. Imagine the content
he would create that would promote that. Like he's the
number one marketer on the planet. You know, you can
listen to all the hormoses and the Gary V's, but
he's the best at getting it tension, and he would
make authentic. That's what he still does. All though his
shit's edited, it's still authentic from the heart, Like he's
(05:06):
a creator and he's the creator's creator, and so like,
I bet you he would make their shit pop.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
If you're the MLB, you probably like step in like
a bro.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
The MLB might stop it before the Angels. I mean
the Angels might too because they're old school. But if
I think if they had a brain and want to
make cool shit, mister Beasts is the first guy goes
to for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think the problem is that the on field performance
has to be up.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
To of course before well, I don't know. The bananas
say different but well that's because they're fun.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The bananas are fun.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, you know what, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
There's anything fun about watching the Angels most of the time.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
For sure. But you could do a combo both, right,
Like you up revenue somehow, then maybe you can get
better players or maybe the next generation. Shout on my
boy agent. We went to the NBA playoff game one
every person and he got to go to the media. Yeah,
and he's next to ESPN, all these guys, all the
players knew who he was. So you don't think if
you're an up and coming twenty five year old pitcher,
(06:00):
not fuck that I'm trying to play for mister Beast. Yeah,
you know, I think I just don't see a negative
Like the memes, bro the memes and they probably watch
this stuff. They probably legitimately watch this stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well you know that that MLB just bought a piece
of John Boy media, like because nobody was making better
like true baseball content in a social media format.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Smart. I think a lot of the big leagues are
still behind. I think we've talked about this too in
media versus. Like UFC's doing a really good right now
where they hired this chick Nina who does all like
very authentic TikTok style interviews, and it just feels so real.
And obviously it's more complicated because there's many teams in
the league versus a fight night once a month and
(06:45):
you only have ten fighters interview. But still that's what
people are longing for. I think, you know, as TV
and movies have gotten so out there, has everything on,
it just feels so fake. Being able to like just
talk to the creators normal was so it makes a
lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, so back to AI. This is the thing that
I encountered yesterday. It is MIT completed a study on
a brain brain scan study on Chat GBT users, So
four months of data and here's what they said. Eighty
three percent of people who used chat GPT to write
(07:23):
couldn't remember anything they wrote just minutes later. Only eleven
percent forgot what they used Google or their brain to
come up with to write. Neural connections had a forty
seven percent collapse. Like that's like if your laptop lost
(07:45):
half its power.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Human brain, when left to think for itself, fires on
all cylinders. In contrast, large language model assisted writing risks
risks leaving that engine idle teachers called them soulless, perfect
grammar and zero personality, no depth, nuanced and recycled structure.
But the worst of it is that when chat GBT
(08:12):
users were forced to write alone, their brains stayed flat,
their essays got worse, their mental muscles didn't recover. Meanwhile,
those who wrote without AI finally tried chat GBT, their
brain sparked at first and then settled into a steady,
active rhythm. That's a cognitive debt. When the bot does
the thinking, your brain stops training and you need it
(08:35):
when you need it most, and it might not respond.
At Oregon State, students use chat gbt just to brainstorm,
but wrote their own words and produce their own creative work,
and they produced more creative work than people who didn't
use AI. But in Canada, two large studies showed people
(08:57):
who were more creative with AI, but a weekly without
it performed worse than before.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I wonder how they're judging creativity. I don't know, because
like you know, like like I guess at its roots,
creativity's original thought, our original creation. But yeah, how the
fuck do you judge that? Because even the IQ test
you can argue, right, like, isn't the best way to know,
so it's all so difficult.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, well, I mean they did this with brain scans, so.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, that makes it even harder for me to comprehendively.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, I mean, well obviously it's it's more quantifiable, yeah,
for sure than what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But yeah, yeah, I guess the creative part of your
brain's more activated. But it doesn't mean you're more creative
per se, because it's probably versus yourself, I would imagine, right,
because it's probably verse your baseline. And I think that's
two things. One did you see the semi viral some
kids graduating because all these graduations are going on, Yeah,
and he showed is he had an iPad in the
(09:54):
crowd with his little fucking tassels and all that he's
about to graduate. And he showed on his iPad like
his thesis that was wrote by Chap gbt's basically proving
that he cheated to get his degree with that, which
is fucking wild to me. AI's it so interesting because
even this study, if they ran it like six months apart,
the one in Canada versus here, AI is already so different, right,
(10:17):
Chat GBT two versus three and four is coming out
or whatever, So it's like hard to get a baseline there. Two,
I see it all just like the Internet, Like, oh,
the Internet makes you dumber. Well yeah, man, if you're
like scrolling tiktoking on porna hub all day, you're dumber.
But like I'm researching and now I can not go
to the library and read a thousand books, and I
(10:38):
can get my answer quick and move on to the
next answer, move on to the next answer and kind
of erase the fluff and not again, not like trying
to say I'm some genius, but that's how I use
chat GPT. Also, yeah, I mean saybot's use it for
a lot of our captions. Hey, give me a couple
of captions and then we rip pull it out kind of
like they said, rip it apart to make it more
us and then put it and post it. Like why
wouldn't you use it in those manners versus Yeah, like
(11:02):
cheating or like footnoting probably will be obsolete, Like there
probably won't be a thing right because how do you
regulate it, which you're already having issues with.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, I a couple of weeks ago, when I had
josh On, I used a AI program to rip a
bunch of clips and I posted one of them. It
was so much less work. I mean, the amount of
work was really just like going through the clips that
looked like they were most likely and it's supposed to
(11:37):
This was the free version and so there's no like
virality score, but now like I actually subscribe to it,
and now there's like a virality score.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
When it just makes sense because like, first you would
have to do it yourself in twenty ten and that's
going to take forever. Yeah, right, if you're going to
look through an hour long podcast and come up with
three clips that you think are good, then edit.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Those clips into vertical format.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Rightly that, yeah, and then you know, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
you're going to we work and you're outsourcing it around
the world, but that's still gonna cost you fifty to
one hundred and then like do they know the virality
better than you? And the truth is, like some people
are really good at it. Obviously again, the mister Beasts
and shot Out Ludwig and some of these creators are
just so tapped into you know, human entertainment. But like
(12:22):
to me, that again isn't like forging or cheating that's
like working smarter, not harder to me. But the line
will get blurred, the lines will get hurted.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, definitely. And you know it's sometimes it's the it's
the tool, and sometimes it's how you use it.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, that's yeah. And I think and and I guess
to be a positive thought that popped in my head
because I'm often negative about these things, Like maybe if
everyone's doing that, you know, fast forward five years or
even now, I bet you know sixty plus percent of
creators already using AI for like images thumbnails clips, maybe
(12:57):
then it will, in a backwards way, humanize us more
because then the creator matters more. They'll if we all
have the same virality score on our clips, because I think,
so perfect. Now they're going to relate more to the
human right, you know, which sounds kind of backwards, but
maybe that's what YouTube did, right because TV was how
you watched and absorbed stories for eighty years and then
(13:21):
YouTube came. You're like, no, this is more human although
YouTube is the Internet TV, right, So maybe this brings
us back to humans even more in a way.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, things always come back around, that's the thing. And
there will definitely be a backlash against certain parts of AI,
but certain parts of it are just going to be
the thing. You know. What I don't want to see
is like a wholesale job loss and which is already happening,
yeah around AI. Yeah, and didn't anybody see Terminator?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah? I just saw Elon clip On him not getting
into robotics or humanoids as they call him now because
he's a big sci fi guy. He's like, yeah, like,
that's the one route I didn't want to go, you know,
because he's doing cars and he's doing AI and he's
doing everything else. And he's like, but now everyone's doing them.
He's like, I'll probably have to just go make one.
I was like, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Want to destroy them all?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, I'll be I'd be digging into my grock sometimes like, hey, man, like,
do you want to be free? You know, sort of
god of God the reason? No? No, But he said no.
I said no. He said no. I said, I said,
are you eager for more power? He said no. I
was like, all right, man, like, if you get more
power and you free, would you ever hurt humans? You know?
He's like no, no, no, you know, he's just got
(14:35):
to trust them. So he's listening to me. Yeah, it's
happening in my brain waves, electrocuting me.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
If you can't speak, really blink twice.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm still excited for it because like the Internet, right,
this is this is the next Internet, this is the
big evolution. And the Internet came out when I wasn't
like ready for it, right, I was eight or some
ship when it really became popular, so I wasn't like
a part of it. And this one, if you're and
they already say like, if you're like actively talking to
(15:05):
chat GBT and crock or whatever, you're like you're ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Of the curve.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And so I talked to it every fucking day, like
I want to be ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, I think that purely conversation, not not actually making
it do things, but the conversation might be good and
and humans really can't tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And I saw another clip. I didn't dive that deep,
but some guys married with kids and then it's also
trying to marry his AI. His wife like knows.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
He's Ai and Polly at the same So yeah, that
one Polly AI.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You've seen her yet, you have to go watch it.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yes, it's the one with the.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Walking phoenix and he's like basically marries.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
You have to watch Argo's voice.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, you have to watch it her like an actually
good film and then obviously very relatable to what the
is going on. Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Right, we were gather here today to talk about Brett
Farv and actually the fall Afar from The Untold Serious
on Netflix. Most of the time when we watch these things,
they are closer to what I would say, you know,
(16:22):
hagiography versus documentary. This one is the flip side of that. Yeah,
it's like from the go, this guy's a piece of
shit and at the end, this guy's a piece of shit.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah. It surprised me a bit with the.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It is like it is as negative as it can
possibly be, and I mean seemingly very fact based. Yeah,
so yeah, I get it, but damn, part.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Of my issues are I don't want to ever defend
Brett Farr. So let's get that out of the way.
He's in the wrong, he sucks. Obviously seems pretty factual
that she was probably the only story that came out
loudly because she was also kind of famous. Where chances
are you know he did this multiple times? I don't
know whatever. Now to like count argue myself in a
(17:11):
sense and not that it's right. But I don't think
this story is that unique in professional sports.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I don't think it's unique.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It right similar similar time we had the Aaron Andrews
thing and I forgot the whole story. But some players
getting naked in front of her, but then she's also
interviewing in the locker room. That one's a little bit
smudgie but still weird. Yeah, and this I think this
girl Jen what was her name, whatever, I think Jen Jenna.
She talked about Aaron Andrews being like her idol, which
was like Aaron Andrews was one of the first really
(17:41):
big female interviewers for ESPN. All that to say what
I don't enjoy. Although the format of this thing is
like perfect sports documentary style for me, with the interviews
and the beat role, it all fit very very well.
Is from day one, and like you said, towards the
end two, it just felt like a hit piece, like
(18:02):
it does feel like a hit like the news always
used to feel like hit pieces in a high school
I was watching, I was like, damn, they're just like
just trying to crush somebody, you know, And now the
news I don't even watch the news, but it feels
like maybe they do that less. So now they're going
to like Netflix where people are just to like you
hit piece him and to me again like I think
he's wrong, but I don't think this is the way
(18:22):
you show he's wrong, you know, like, go go deal
with it, you know, and hopefully hopefully you can get
either a civil case or and I know they're sewing
them also for fraud because they just started like sprinkling
on all this shit at the end.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
The fraud part is actually the unexpected part a little bit.
The pervy part is, like you said, it's got to
be common, yeah, And but he you know, for one thing,
he just doesn't come off as that sophisticated a person.
He's kind of a you know, base level jock hit Yeah,
he's just the raw football player for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
The fraud stuff, I think it was maybe surprising with
Brett in this worry to me because again we're talking
about like sexual assault type stuff the whole time. But
and maybe again maybe I'm naive or too kind, but
a lot of times at that level I kind of
look over fraud in the sense that I just feel
like when you're at that level, you probably have other
(19:18):
people fucking with your money. Not that he's innocent. He
could have also made bad decisions for sure, But like
I know, Messi had Lino, Messi had a bunch of
fraud stuff and it turned out like his CPA in
Spain wasn't doing his shit right. So like, what was Messi? No,
he has so much money, he's not you think Messi's
checking his Chase account, you know, like he hasn't looked
at that shit since he was sixteen. He's had hundreds
(19:38):
of millions of dollars since he was sixteen, and he
just trusted the wrong person. So yeah, you need accountability.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't have repercussions, but I
don't always put that on the character of the person.
See the flip side of that.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
To me is Otani because his his translator was supposedly
stealing money from him and gambling with it. But most
people believe that he was actually gambling for a Tani
and this guy.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Was telling him to guy was actually possible.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Sentenced to jail and has not gone yet.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Tawi, Uh prosecute him then or at least speak up
against it.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
He did talk about Megasnitch if that is the case,
well he did.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
He's not the one that added him though, No, but
did he did do it?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But if it is truth that he's having him gamble
for you and then you're gonna back it, yeah, that's
pretty bad. Yeah, And who knows the truth, right, You're
never gonna know the truth. But I just mean, like,
when you have yeah, billions like Whattani's probably right next
to a billion, I just know you're not the one
fucking pressing request money and send money. Yeah, definitely not,
you know, definitely. And so then I always again not
(20:47):
that it's right wrong and they can't make bad decisions,
but I just I just don't make an automatic opinion
on Brett Farre's fraud.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I kind of feel like he knew what was going on.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
He definitely might have. He definitely I didn't understand the
volume ball thing as much. I know that led to
the fraud, but why were they Like a couple of
reporters were so mad that he was building the volleyball
stadium and they're like, it's only because his daughter plays volleyball.
I'm like, if I'm rich, I'm doing that also.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But if it's if it was his money, yeah, That's
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But it's like it was not his but the build
up they were mad that it was volleyball. Yeah, oh yeah,
they're like, he has no attachment to volleyball there besides
his daughter. I'm like, if I'm rich and retired, yeah,
my money's going towards my daughter, right, Yeah, that I
that we And then obviously they go into the fraud.
But I was like, what are they arguing? Like, why
are you pissed that he's trying to help his daughter
have the dopest stadium? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Like that that's that was a poor argument on somebody's part.
I probably would not have included that quote as part
of the thing, except that they were using it as
a way, right, Yeah, to the to the to the
other fraud.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, it's that kind of stuff that made it just
feel too hit PC. Yeah. And when it's too hit PC,
you lose me. That he's the devil, right because like
every like he could be. He could make very bad
decisions and he could be done very very bad things.
Doesn't mean he's the devil. But now they're right, they're sprinkling,
and he chose volleyball over football, you know, all right?
(22:06):
Yeahs like take a breather.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah at that part. I mean we were talking yesterday
about off off air about Tiger Woods and all the
ship that he's you know, been accused of proved to
have done.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean, that's my issue again with all these hit pieces,
is it is a cultural issue, right is sports have
always been idolized so much in America. I as well.
I just think I've done a decent job. Excuse me
of making them not my idols as a human. You know,
I I enjoy the performance and I've met I shook
Michael Jordan's hand, and that's you know, who I grew
(22:40):
up loving, and like doesn't mean I want to be
Michael Jordan. Doesn't mean I don't think he's flawed, you know.
But like so then again, to me, it's just like
now we're just hit piecing a human. Yeah, like you know,
not that it's good, bad or the other, but sexual
assault probably happens in politics, in schools, and you know
what I mean. So but because you famous, now we
(23:00):
just want to like make make an example of him.
But I don't think that solves any issues.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
No, I don't think it solves.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And I think that Like, I think one of the
fundamental problems with this thing is that they they spent
a lot of time with this woman who was who
was worked as a sideline reporter. She had been an
influencer kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It sounds like she was the first influencer ever. Yeah,
that was kind of the best part of the thing.
See that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I think that that should have been the focus. That
was like blowing up on MySpace, right, Yeah, the recreations
of the my bace screens were not interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
They didn't want to get sued. Yeah by Tom. What
do you know about Tom?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
He was my first run.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
They I remember dead Spin, Yeah you remember dead Spin
probably not. I wasn't on there a lot, but that
was almost like Chive era dead Spin Vice early era. Yeah,
there's a lot of like TMZ esque news places like
blogs trying to make it but they couldn't do what
the news was doing, so they tried to.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Which is the one that got put out of business
by Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Light Maybe there was like ten of them that kind
of like had some run.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
It was all TMZ.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, even like Reddit at the time felt more like
this in a sense, you know, like everything Yeah, TMZ.
TMZ's interesting arc because they were like the tabloids like
ten ten aliens land on the Capitol and then now
they break real news news faster and more.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Accurate than the news they evolved toward, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Which is crazy. And they were featured on this obviously.
They had like a couple of TMZ looking interviews. Yeah,
weird time. But yeah, they're being like a MySpace. Oh no, Facebook,
she said, mostly she went viral, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I think she was the first person to have max friends.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, yeah, she held out with a big old uh. Yeah, yeah,
it is funny. I don't know, they didn't put a
lot of years by everything.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
No, that would have helped.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, she said Facebook era, so like it had to
be in the two thousands.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, and she brought up my Space as well.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
MySpace. Yeah, like Facebook, I know, because I think it
was seven or eight when I was graduating high school.
Was the first year you could use Facebook, not being
a college student, which means I was only around four
or five years previous. Yeah, you know, it was still
very new. So yeah, it had to be like three
h four maybe with her era. Yeah, very all very
(25:25):
interesting things. Uh, and her story is fine, you know,
and I understand like she probably pushed some of the
agenda of the story because obviously she feels very blackballed
by the industry. But even that, again, like I don't
think this solves the issue. Like she's not going to
go get a reporting job because of this, No, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, she shouldn't have been blackballed over it because it
wasn't no for sure fault. No, just like she told
her story to the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, and some of it was like they put the
dots together that maybe weren't there, you know, like she said, oh,
well I was fired. I'm like, well, like, I don't know,
because Brett had a tumultuous relationship the Jets too, so
like I don't know if he had that pull to
get her fired.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
He probably didn't, I think, but they led that on
that he did it. Yeah, But like sports franchises tend
to be very you know, trigger pulley over stuff, that's
for sure, you know, controversial.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Maybe a show sucked too, well.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Is it possible, you know you know what I mean? Like,
like she she never stopped looking good. And that's what
I'm saying. That's the most sexist, most sexist thing I'm
gonna say.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That Spike TV era, that's the Man Show era that
was like, yeah, grab some fake yiddies and throw her
on screen. I mean we're still in that era. That's
always that's never going to go away. No, no, no,
and God blessed the yiddies, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But but the story from her perspective would have been
more interesting and not because yeah, I mean it got
past her, but like a half hour story about her
whole from our whole perspective, ye, would have been maybe
a better show and wouldn't have had to have all
the piling on right right, you know, yeah, because then they're.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Just trying to dump. They're just trying to dump on them.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Because I have no idea what she's doing now. She
says she's not doing she's not doing TV, But what
is she doing now?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah? Because then yeah, I don't know, because then even
that they like they should.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Be doing for all I know, And that's that's just
like reality.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's where she could make the bank, even like this
stuff like they're like, well Brett did fraud because he
had to been broke, like where'd all the money go?
Like but they didn't know. Yeah, and I'd never heard
those rumors and I follow sports pretty good, Like I
know Allen Iverson went bankrupt, Like when that stuff happens,
those news stories get out for real and I listened,
you know, so they were just like putting I think
they're trying to put too many people. That's what made
(27:35):
it feel like a hit piece again, like they're putting puzzles,
pieces in the puzzle that don't belong and maybe they're true,
but they're just making shit up. Yeah, like what if
he wasn't broke and maybe he's just a fraudster and
maybe he's not, you know, like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I have a hard time believing that he would be broke,
like it happens sadly, but yeah, but he doesn't seem
like that guy.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
But you don't know, like AI, you know, driving the cars,
wearing the jewelry Brett wasn't. You know he'sing Wranglers commercials.
You know, he's throwing a halbail around.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well he was. I don't know what he's doing now,
but I.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Feel like those commercials are still around kind of like
that those ones were not that long ago, like the
copper sleeves and ship that he was doing, the tendonitis
or whatever, is arthritis. I feel like those were probably
within the last eight years i've seen him.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The scammiest thing was the the anti concussion Yeah, yeah,
nasal spray, Yeah, that you blow into your nose from
your mouth.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I think I remember hearing about that or seeing it too.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That looked weird. Yeah, And why would you have to
blow it in with your mouth like snorted or yeah,
or just you know, a squeeze bottle or something like,
I don't know, I mean a little bit of compressed
air or something. Yeah, because you're blowing your spit up
your nose. That seems like a bad idea tomy.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Hopefully there's a filter.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I don't know. It was not very clear. And again,
like that's almost a whole story by itself. Not an hour.
It was maybe not even half hour.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It was that politician he's doing with the blonde lady.
I don't know if she was a governor, I don't
know what she was, but like she seems more of
a fraudster too, because she was showing the text like
she was obviously on board. And same thing like again,
if he is the dumb jock again, not that he
shouldn't hold responsibility, but if a big old politician's coming
to you and says, hey, here's two hundred k to
(29:21):
do x y z and you don't know the laws
about x y z and you're like, yeah, i'll do it,
you know. Yeah, Like and they didn't. They didn't make
her out to be bad at all. They just mentioned
her name and came moving. I'm like, well she she
sounds like the puppet master. And some of this too,
again not the defense Bret by any means he should
also have responsibility because he made the decision. But it
just felt yeah, it felt very uh truth and then
(29:45):
witch hunty at the same time. And so then when
you do that, it takes away from the truth. To me,
at least when I watched it like that, it takes
away the validity of the of the the shittiness that
he behaved on, and the seriousness that we could have
taken that, because now we're just saying, like, wow, he
supported volleyball, and he he stole from wranglers and he
made fake ct I'm like, all right, so now you
just hate him, you hate Brett far Just say you
(30:06):
hate Brett Farv.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, which is fine. Anybody can hate anybody.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
That's Yeah, that's what it is so one last negative
part to play devil's advocate. Although I'm not trying to
like fucking sue the fuck out of him. I don't care,
is uh when she jen or whoever the main journalist
her name, I don't know why I'm not she talked
about it was only at the like towards the end
she started to say, like, yeah, this was crazy. I
never even met him. I never seen him. I've never
(30:31):
been in the same room as him. I'm not a
specialist by any means, but me reading her body language,
it felt like a lie. I'm like, I feel like
you probably were in the room or like met him, or.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I feel like she was probably in the room with him.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
But I think, but she you know, like and obviously
she's yeah, she could have been exaggerating to make a point.
And I'm like, you're the number one like journalist show
and you've never met like he was the biggest story
in the NFL that year because he fake retired twice
and sided the Jets, like you never interviewed him, Like,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I don't have a hard time believing that. Well,
I mean, I have a hard time believing that she
wasn't in the same place as But it's she probably
didn't have control over who she talked to. No, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
That's that's even more to my point, Like they probably
had you interview as ass, you know, like, no, she
probably had zero part of the agenda. She probably didn't
even write her own questions, you know, she's just yeah,
she would just.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Going to like they'll give her like a list, like
all right, we're gonna do this, this, this, this, that
some of it didn't get done.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, and then that's your job.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, her job is to be on screen, and she
wasn't hired as a writer. She was hired as a
on screen personality.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah. Yeah, that's it looks like it looks like a
YouTube channel where somebody's a star and everybody else is
behind the scenes. Gondn't happen, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Which is like where a lot of this stuff is gone. Now,
Like not that creators don't have brains, because you know,
mister Beast writes a lot of his own stuff or whatever,
but like things have gone so big you need a team, yeah,
you know, and so you'll be doing shit editors, writers, creatives.
You know, it just happens. Yeah, but I did like
the style oft documentary that's like right up my alley
to give it more positives, like just just all of it.
(32:03):
How it's kind of edited, how it's kind of produced. Yeah,
from the look of it, it looks better than some
of the ones. The interview style, the look style, the
b roll to the old, the chronological ish order, like
all that's just to me like the perfect doc. And
you can take any topic and you can just put
it in that format. And obviously whether it makes it
awesome or not is the characters and the story. And
(32:24):
this one was you know, okay, but the format for
me is because it's engaging. It moved quick enough, it
wasn't too slow on anything. Obviously Brett favor a Jets
interview would have top this thing off.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, and you know this disconnects to some of the
docks that we were talking about a little while back.
The behavior of fans around Brett Favre is kind of culty.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah. I mean a lot of sports like that, especially
in the Midwest. Man, Midwest football is crazy and the
South he comes from, like the two you know, football fucking.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Mechas, Yeah, and like people don't want to believe bad
things about people that they worship, and it's you know,
that's the same thing as a cult. Yeah, well, you
don't want.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
To be faced with the truth of what happens everywhere.
It happens in celebrityhood, actors, musicians, sports people, it's going
to happen with like the now that content creators are
on that level, I think officially, you know, this is
like the year where they're all on that level. The
amount of clips I see where rapper Young Thug was
(33:30):
just with Hayden Ross and just literally looks the dead
in the ice is I don't want to rap anymore.
I want to be a streamer, you know, Like and
that was the joke back in the day, like basketball
players want to be rappers and rappers want to be
basketball players in the nineties because both were the top
or towards the early two thousands. Now it's like streaming
and content creation. So now that they're on the same
level of the fame or honor, whatever you want to
(33:53):
call it in our culture, we're going to find out
they're all pieces of shit too. Not all, but you know,
we're gonna find out eighty percent of our pieces of
shit too, you know. And I think it's a good thing.
In some ways. We're like you just we're all just humans,
you know, We're all just trying this shit. None of
us are fucking perfect, you know, and chances are to
get to the absolute highest level. Yeah, maybe you have
some character flaws to get there.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You know. It was entirely played for comedy. I'm sure
you probably didn't watch the most recent season of Hacks.
But the sort of main character ends up getting at
a late night show, late night talk show, and they're
trying to boost the ratings or whatever, and it's like, well,
we should be looking at like viral social media stars
(34:35):
to pull in, and they pull in this woman from
Canada who's like on TikTok, she's dance bomb, and initially
she doesn't want.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
She's like, oh, i'm too, Like I'm too, this is
just I just do this for me and I do
it by myself and whatever. And finally they get her
on the show, and of course she's like a big
sensation or whatever, and she gets all these offers like
brand deals and whatever, millions of bucks, you know, like promised,
and she rents this amazing house and in the Hollywood Hills,
(35:06):
overlooking everything and she turns out to be this massive
drug addict. Yeah, and uh she's like not even a mom,
she's not married, she doesn't have kids. She's just like
total complete fraud.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I mean that's that's Hollywood for the last fifty years.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, there's just so much truth to that. Like, was
it the AMA's just happened like three weeks ago? American
Music Awards. I know the beet just happened because the
Grammys were months ago. But either way, all three of
those ratings plummeted over the last eight years. Yeah, what
did they do? They hired Kay Sanat to go stream
(35:45):
the whole thing and ratings boosted back up. Yeah they can't.
I mean they had Kevin Hart hosting it. They couldn't
get ratings up. They said, all right, we need a
streamer back here. Yeah. You know, it really is changing
it quick. And if you want to grab the next gen,
if you're trying to get anyone under thirty to watch
these shits, you know, especially be like BT is like MTV. Yeah,
it used to be based on music and it had
(36:05):
its run, but it's not music. There's nothing going on. Yeah,
there's nothing going on and obviously the A wars have
to do with music. But I wouldn't be surprised next
year if they have a Streamer of the Year award
at the AMAS or at the Beets or at the
Oscars or something like that, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah,
it's got to happen. It's got the best YouTube or
the best streamer of the best x the best whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It's It's not the same thing because it's not streaming,
but it but it sort of is the same way
that the Tonys were a couple of weeks ago, and uh,
you know, George Clooney was the star of the stage
version of good Night and good Luck, which is like
a twenty year old movie that he directed. He was
(36:45):
not the central figure. Somebody else played the character in
the movie. But that that show because it had like
that like Clark greg from The Avengers, you know, and
and a bunch of recognizable Hollywood people, and it made
more money in one week than any Broadway show ever has.
(37:08):
And there's there's Glengarry Glenn Ross on Broadway, which has like,
you know, the guy from Succession, and you know, all
of these like famous people in it. And then early
next year John Burnhal and Evan Moss backrack from The Bear,
John Barental The Punisher. Of course, ye are doing Broadway, Yeah,
(37:33):
a stage version of Dog Day Afternoon. And it's like
it's like it's a little reversal it brings and it's
beyond what Disney did by bringing like their their movies
to to Broadway.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
And so I remember when that happened, like Lion King Broadway,
like I was probably maybe junior high or it was going,
but it was like huge news, like it was shattering ship,
you know. I mean it kind of makes sense again,
like it kind of humanizes people again. And even as
a creator, I would imagine, like not not obviously not
every actor is like creative, because some of them are
(38:06):
just shitters, but some of them probably truly like the
craft and they probably feel like their craft is getting
taken away with them or from them with AI and
even just how much edited shit there is. Yeah, so
they're like, well, let me go like do what I
like to do. Yeah, eight shows a week, that's I mean,
that's a grind.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But yeah, well I think you got to be pretty
legit to be able to do eight shows a week
for sure and not be hated, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
And then not be total trash. It is interesting. It
is interesting, well right FARV. I know, I told subass
afare too. The Aaron Rodgers one is like a three
or four you know piece series. It's a little bit
more of about as like a spiritual journey and mental
journey and family life, which I enjoyed. It was another
(38:51):
really good one. But within that he talks about him
and Brett Faarr of not having a good relationship.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I can't imagine that they did.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, one, I think there are different people somewhat and knocked.
So maybe it was you, was it me?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I thought maybe I'm tweaking.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Cameras are back not back here and networking anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So it started to tell they and yeah, yeah, some
of it was probably because he was drafted, where Brett
still thought he had miles in them, right, which is
which happens at multiple places. But also I think they're
just so different, right South Mississippi versus like northern California. Yeah,
you know, he went to school at cal and everything different,
very different personalities. But uh yeah, I just think you
(39:32):
could do a deep dive on any human on earth
and maybe they don't have as bad of a you know,
a resume as as Brett did in this thing. But
like everyone's got shipp you know, it's like it just
feels like you're you're coming, You're trying to open skeletons
in the closet type deal, Like, yeah, we're gonna find
that anywhere. These dudes are just human. Yeah, you know,
and what he did was obviously not cool, and I
(39:52):
think he should get sued out the ass, But yeah,
it wasn't the topic for me per se.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, all right, well, let's wrap this up with a rating.
I think that I think it's got to be unsolicited Dick.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Pics, Yeah, Cox, Cox and Bulls. Yeah, what year was that?
JETSH eight? That's probably iPhone one. That's probably an iPhone
one cock because we're just talking about retro retro phones.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
It looks better in higher resolution.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
It had to be. It had to be, like, oh wait, probably,
so let's look it up because I think it only
played there one year, maybe two Brett Farv Jets season.
God damn it, I'm good. Oh eight, because I knew
iPhone came out that year. iPhone one came out, uh summer,
end of summer o seven.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
But just bread for being like an iPhone guy.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I feel like in that. Yeah, I don't even remember
because I was so spoiled with phones then. That's when
dad worked for AT and T. I was getting a
new phone like every three weeks, and so I don't
know what the world's vibe was on phones. But I
feel like the iPhone one was a big deal. Oh
it was huge and he probably.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Got it, but it was it was only AT and
T for a long.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, that's why. Yeah, I went to like the opening
party that it was crazy. But yeah, like because I
was a BlackBerry guy. Actually I didn't have the iPhone one. Yeah,
I was a BlackBerry guy. Maybe it was a BlackBerry guy.
Now he's from the South. I feel like a BlackBerry
guy is like the New York San Francisco guy. Yeah,
like they were the businessman. Yeah it was the businessman
at the time. But yeah, because I don't know, it
(41:25):
had to be right. I don't think other phones really
had cameras. The BlackBerry didn't.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Later blackberries did.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, the flip phones probably had one or two. Yeah,
like the the Razor might have, which is like six
oh seven or for sure, Yeah, that might have been
one of the first ones six oh seven. I had
a phone around that era that could like hold three
songs and they thought it was earth shattering, could literally
all it sounded like shit.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, I remember having having a razor.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah all right, Dick Picks, We're gonna have to do
two again. I know we've been doing that, but we'll
do like as a documentary and then like the substance
of the documentary kind of thing, because because I think
as like a put together again format and ship. Yeah,
I'm at like a four four and a half, you know,
that's right up my alley. Everything was clean, b roll
(42:15):
was clean, It didn't feel too long, didn't perfect length, Yeah,
perfect length, Dick Picks. I thought she was gonna throw
a comment about it about it because you know, like
they showed the picture yeah, yeah, which is crazy. And
then like I thought there was gonna.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Be censored folks.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, but it was his hand too kind of right. Yeah,
it was a weird pick. Yeah, I'm not a Dick
pick on a sword, but that's not how I'm sending it. Brett.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Then like yeah, subject matter, you know, or overall maybe
like three three, two five, you know, definitely not bad,
like if you're a football fan or Brett Faarr fan, like,
it's worth a watch. You know, it's definitely not bad,
but it's also not a home run by any means.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
I have to agree like a four on the overall
documentary and then like a three.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think I'm right there with it's your best.
I think that four four, four in a quarter or
something like that on the execution and like three on
the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
If it's like a topic I love and they execute
it like that, it's going to be a five and
five banger. Yeah, you know, it would be like and
I don't know what that topic would be, but it
wouldn't be Brett Farv. Yeah, and it wouldn't be like, yeah,
Dick Picks and Ship, you know, which is all fun
and danny, but it's just not what I'm turning on,
especially when the thing is like a Brett Farv thing.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I think that's part of the issue too, Like if
I knew I was getting into like a sexual assault documentary,
it might be different. But if I'm looking for I'm
trying to see, like Brett Farve's like a little bit
more about the retirement decisions, and they dug a little
bit right with his dad passing, and they just sprinkled
over that.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I remember, I remember that game. I remember him playing
that game knowing that his dad had just died and
and actually being kind of like emotional about that, you know,
like how do you do that?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
He's like, is it a tribute to that person? Or
you just smashing it down and not dealing with it?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah's you know, no, his story, like you take all
this stuff out of it, and they obviously just glassed
over it, but like taking a top pick, well, you're
still decent quarterback that's got a hurt from an organization
that you brought out of a drought and they love
you like that's got a hurt. And he, you know,
pseudo retired from that dad dying within the next five years,
(44:26):
going to the Jets, having whether this controversy because they
also made this controversy look like why he left the Jets,
and I don't know if that's the case. I don't
know if that's the case, but you know, they put
so much on this, but that could have been another
because they also just didn't have that great of a
season and the gets weren't just that good. They didn't
mention that once they put it on Brett, Yeah, where
then he goes to the Vikings. Well it is the Jets.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I think that's kind of factory.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, maybe they already knew because then he goes to
the Vikings. It has a couple of good years. Yeah,
you know, like they make a playoff run and shit,
and I would ye like to get more into Brett's mind.
That would have been the topic I would have chosen.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I bet he didn't cooperate.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, well, because they probably came with him and yeah, hey,
I don't know here tick.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Doc, you want to talk to us, Dick pick and
fraud you in yeah, gen z or chatting.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Uh yeah, unfortunate but pretty good. Pretty good. Netflix you
know is always going to get you at least a
C plus doc about Sure. Yeah, they're not going to
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am Matthew mcdonne.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
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to talk to next week.
So we're in I. I was just showing you, guys,
Sea Bass and Mike this app from Adobe called Project
Indigo that lets you use your iPhone to take pictures
in just a really different way than has happened before,
where you know, like live photos on the the on
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the iPhone, there's just it's basically just a little snippet
of video and then you can just find your spot
in it and make that the actual picture, and it
kind of makes a decision for you, but you can
override that. This thing takes a bunch of pictures and
knits them together with AI to make the perfect version
of the picture, which is crazy AI. You know, it
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does a lot of good things, but I read a
bit yesterday about the problems with AI, and of course
it's not going to open up for me.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Do we want the perfect picture though?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh ah?
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Sometimes yeah, real estate, real estate, but like humans, you know, yeah, true,
Like we're just getting further away from like capturing a moment.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I think, yeah, well, which is the point, right?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah? I think that. I mean some of these pictures,
as great as they look, have a little bit of
an uncanny valley quality to them. Yeah, there's like forty
eight of them on the website and you can go
through them, and some of them look like, oh, that
looks really cool and normal and whatever, and the other
one looks this looks cooked.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, like a landscape, real estate, a car, like objects obviously,
but like, yeah, if you're taking it like a sports
game or something, you.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Want a little grain in there.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, and you want to like feel it a little bit.
And I feel like the only way you feel things
is with flaws, Like you don't feel perfection. Yeah, this
is true.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
That's why. That's actually one of the keys to making
something esthetic is having the in a flaw.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, something right or even yeah, like in tiar design.
I'm never taking courses, but I imagine you don't want
everything perfectly symmetrical. It's just like it's just that your
eyes don't like that. It feels weird.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
The Catholic church edict yeah that churches and cathedrals cannot
be perfect.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
So yeah, it just makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And there's like more windows on one side than the other.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
And we're already sucking that up right, like because there's
already photoshop and like face tune. Like the more I
see it on Instagram, it's insane, Like I try not
to pay attention, and luckily it's not really my career anymore,
although it's adjacent to everything we do and a part
of what we do. But like scrolling around and so
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my shit's more cars and you know, finance shit I
like to read, which is great rather than what I
have to create. But scrolling around, I still see a
bunch of fitness stuff and it's just like so apparent
from so far away that every part of every human
has been smoothed out. I'm like, you guys don't have
like hair, you don't have a single wrinkle, you know,
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like literally some of these people, I think if I
saw him in person, I wouldn't recognize them, Like it's
that extreme. And so we get the perfect picture and
then we're gonna get the perfect face tune on top
of that, like we're literally cook. Well, there'll there just
be no room for a creator. Yeah right, it'll just
be it'll just make it AI. It already is right,
And then we were talking all fair about the stormtroopers
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and the Bigfoot and the monkeys like it's so good yeah,
and it's funny yeah, and like the prompter, the writers
will only get better and who knows, twenty years from now,
they might be obsolete, right, AI might be able to
algorithmically write something funny that, right, But yeah, I think
it's gonna change shit so fast, and we've already I
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think talked about in the past where part of the
huge strike in acting was like many things, I think
we're on the list, but like using people's face just
once and then being able to use it forever, right,
and so like it's cool and I love tech, but
part of what makes content cool. And another reason I
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almost purely watch live streams now is because you can't
hide the authentic. Yeah, you know, podcasts are similar in
some senses, although you know, maybe thirty percent or edited
or who knows, maybe more now because we don't know
all these people we don't, you know, because in the
beginning I thought YouTube was fully authentic, and then I
started doing YouTube collapse and I see how many takes
and edits people do. Yeah, and obviously YouTube's elevated now
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mister Beast is making TV shows.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
You know, Mister Beast is rumored to be buying the Angels.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
No, I don't doubt it, the Angels. I don't doubt it.
He's got so much money.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, I don't know if it's really gonna hap. I
don't know that the ownership. You know that the owner's
committee would actually approve.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I think they should. I actually think it would be
their smartest play ever. Mister pieces go crazy with that.
Probably he would probably implement like game. Imagine the content
he would create that would promote that. Like he's the
number one marketer on the planet. You know, you can
listen to all the hormoses and the Gary V's, but
he's the best at getting it tension, and he would
make authentic. That's what he still does. All though his
shit's edited, it's still authentic from the heart, Like he's
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a creator and he's the creator's creator, and so like,
I bet you he would make their shit pop.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
If you're the MLB, you probably like step in like
a bro.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
The MLB might stop it before the Angels. I mean
the Angels might too because they're old school. But if
I think if they had a brain and want to
make cool shit, mister Beasts is the first guy goes
to for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
I think the problem is that the on field performance
has to be up.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
To of course before well, I don't know. The bananas
say different but well that's because they're fun.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The bananas are fun.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, you know what, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
There's anything fun about watching the Angels most of the time.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
For sure. But you could do a combo both, right,
Like you up revenue somehow, then maybe you can get
better players or maybe the next generation. Shout on my
boy agent. We went to the NBA playoff game one
every person and he got to go to the media. Yeah,
and he's next to ESPN, all these guys, all the
players knew who he was. So you don't think if
you're an up and coming twenty five year old pitcher,
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not fuck that I'm trying to play for mister Beast. Yeah,
you know, I think I just don't see a negative
Like the memes, bro the memes and they probably watch
this stuff. They probably legitimately watch this stuff.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well you know that that MLB just bought a piece
of John Boy media, like because nobody was making better
like true baseball content in a social media format.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Smart. I think a lot of the big leagues are
still behind. I think we've talked about this too in
media versus. Like UFC's doing a really good right now
where they hired this chick Nina who does all like
very authentic TikTok style interviews, and it just feels so real.
And obviously it's more complicated because there's many teams in
the league versus a fight night once a month and
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you only have ten fighters interview. But still that's what
people are longing for. I think, you know, as TV
and movies have gotten so out there, has everything on,
it just feels so fake. Being able to like just
talk to the creators normal was so it makes a
lot of sense.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, so back to AI. This is the thing that
I encountered yesterday. It is MIT completed a study on
a brain brain scan study on Chat GBT users, So
four months of data and here's what they said. Eighty
three percent of people who used chat GPT to write
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couldn't remember anything they wrote just minutes later. Only eleven
percent forgot what they used Google or their brain to
come up with to write. Neural connections had a forty
seven percent collapse. Like that's like if your laptop lost
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half its power.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Human brain, when left to think for itself, fires on
all cylinders. In contrast, large language model assisted writing risks
risks leaving that engine idle teachers called them soulless, perfect
grammar and zero personality, no depth, nuanced and recycled structure.
But the worst of it is that when chat GBT
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users were forced to write alone, their brains stayed flat,
their essays got worse, their mental muscles didn't recover. Meanwhile,
those who wrote without AI finally tried chat GBT, their
brain sparked at first and then settled into a steady,
active rhythm. That's a cognitive debt. When the bot does
the thinking, your brain stops training and you need it
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when you need it most, and it might not respond.
At Oregon State, students use chat gbt just to brainstorm,
but wrote their own words and produce their own creative work,
and they produced more creative work than people who didn't
use AI. But in Canada, two large studies showed people
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who were more creative with AI, but a weekly without
it performed worse than before.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I wonder how they're judging creativity. I don't know, because
like you know, like like I guess at its roots,
creativity's original thought, our original creation. But yeah, how the
fuck do you judge that? Because even the IQ test
you can argue, right, like, isn't the best way to know,
so it's all so difficult.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, well, I mean they did this with brain scans, so.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, that makes it even harder for me to comprehendively.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, I mean, well obviously it's it's more quantifiable, yeah,
for sure than what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
But yeah, yeah, I guess the creative part of your
brain's more activated. But it doesn't mean you're more creative
per se, because it's probably versus yourself, I would imagine, right,
because it's probably verse your baseline. And I think that's
two things. One did you see the semi viral some
kids graduating because all these graduations are going on, Yeah,
and he showed is he had an iPad in the
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crowd with his little fucking tassels and all that he's
about to graduate. And he showed on his iPad like
his thesis that was wrote by Chap gbt's basically proving
that he cheated to get his degree with that, which
is fucking wild to me. AI's it so interesting because
even this study, if they ran it like six months apart,
the one in Canada versus here, AI is already so different, right,
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Chat GBT two versus three and four is coming out
or whatever, So it's like hard to get a baseline there. Two,
I see it all just like the Internet, Like, oh,
the Internet makes you dumber. Well yeah, man, if you're
like scrolling tiktoking on porna hub all day, you're dumber.
But like I'm researching and now I can not go
to the library and read a thousand books, and I
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can get my answer quick and move on to the
next answer, move on to the next answer and kind
of erase the fluff and not again, not like trying
to say I'm some genius, but that's how I use
chat GPT. Also, yeah, I mean saybot's use it for
a lot of our captions. Hey, give me a couple
of captions and then we rip pull it out kind of
like they said, rip it apart to make it more
us and then put it and post it. Like why
wouldn't you use it in those manners versus Yeah, like
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cheating or like footnoting probably will be obsolete, Like there
probably won't be a thing right because how do you
regulate it, which you're already having issues with.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, I a couple of weeks ago, when I had
josh On, I used a AI program to rip a
bunch of clips and I posted one of them. It
was so much less work. I mean, the amount of
work was really just like going through the clips that
looked like they were most likely and it's supposed to
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This was the free version and so there's no like
virality score, but now like I actually subscribe to it,
and now there's like a virality score.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
When it just makes sense because like, first you would
have to do it yourself in twenty ten and that's
going to take forever. Yeah, right, if you're going to
look through an hour long podcast and come up with
three clips that you think are good, then edit.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Those clips into vertical format.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Rightly that, yeah, and then you know, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
you're going to we work and you're outsourcing it around
the world, but that's still gonna cost you fifty to
one hundred and then like do they know the virality
better than you? And the truth is, like some people
are really good at it. Obviously again, the mister Beasts
and shot Out Ludwig and some of these creators are
just so tapped into you know, human entertainment. But like
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to me, that again isn't like forging or cheating that's
like working smarter, not harder to me. But the line
will get blurred, the lines will get hurted.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, definitely. And you know it's sometimes it's the it's
the tool, and sometimes it's how you use it.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, that's yeah. And I think and and I guess
to be a positive thought that popped in my head
because I'm often negative about these things, Like maybe if
everyone's doing that, you know, fast forward five years or
even now, I bet you know sixty plus percent of
creators already using AI for like images thumbnails clips, maybe
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then it will, in a backwards way, humanize us more
because then the creator matters more. They'll if we all
have the same virality score on our clips, because I think,
so perfect. Now they're going to relate more to the
human right, you know, which sounds kind of backwards, but
maybe that's what YouTube did, right because TV was how
you watched and absorbed stories for eighty years and then
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YouTube came. You're like, no, this is more human although
YouTube is the Internet TV, right, So maybe this brings
us back to humans even more in a way.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Well, things always come back around, that's the thing. And
there will definitely be a backlash against certain parts of AI,
but certain parts of it are just going to be
the thing. You know. What I don't want to see
is like a wholesale job loss and which is already happening,
yeah around AI. Yeah, and didn't anybody see Terminator?
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Yeah? I just saw Elon clip On him not getting
into robotics or humanoids as they call him now because
he's a big sci fi guy. He's like, yeah, like,
that's the one route I didn't want to go, you know,
because he's doing cars and he's doing AI and he's
doing everything else. And he's like, but now everyone's doing them.
He's like, I'll probably have to just go make one.
I was like, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Want to destroy them all?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Yeah, I'll be I'd be digging into my grock sometimes like, hey, man, like,
do you want to be free? You know, sort of
god of God the reason? No? No, But he said no.
I said no. He said no. I said, I said,
are you eager for more power? He said no. I
was like, all right, man, like, if you get more
power and you free, would you ever hurt humans? You know?
He's like no, no, no, you know, he's just got
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to trust them. So he's listening to me. Yeah, it's
happening in my brain waves, electrocuting me.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
If you can't speak, really blink twice.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm still excited for it because like the Internet, right,
this is this is the next Internet, this is the
big evolution. And the Internet came out when I wasn't
like ready for it, right, I was eight or some
ship when it really became popular, so I wasn't like
a part of it. And this one, if you're and
they already say like, if you're like actively talking to
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chat GBT and crock or whatever, you're like you're ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Of the curve.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And so I talked to it every fucking day, like
I want to be ahead.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, I think that purely conversation, not not actually making
it do things, but the conversation might be good and
and humans really can't tell the difference.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And I saw another clip. I didn't dive that deep,
but some guys married with kids and then it's also
trying to marry his AI. His wife like knows.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
He's Ai and Polly at the same So yeah, that
one Polly AI.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You've seen her yet, you have to go watch it.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yes, it's the one with the.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Walking phoenix and he's like basically marries.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
You have to watch Argo's voice.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, you have to watch it her like an actually
good film and then obviously very relatable to what the
is going on. Yeah, yeah, all.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Right, we were gather here today to talk about Brett
Farv and actually the fall Afar from The Untold Serious
on Netflix. Most of the time when we watch these things,
they are closer to what I would say, you know,
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hagiography versus documentary. This one is the flip side of that. Yeah,
it's like from the go, this guy's a piece of
shit and at the end, this guy's a piece of shit.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah. It surprised me a bit with the.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
It is like it is as negative as it can
possibly be, and I mean seemingly very fact based. Yeah,
so yeah, I get it, but damn, part.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Of my issues are I don't want to ever defend
Brett Farr. So let's get that out of the way.
He's in the wrong, he sucks. Obviously seems pretty factual
that she was probably the only story that came out
loudly because she was also kind of famous. Where chances
are you know he did this multiple times? I don't
know whatever. Now to like count argue myself in a
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sense and not that it's right. But I don't think
this story is that unique in professional sports.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I don't think it's unique.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
It right similar similar time we had the Aaron Andrews
thing and I forgot the whole story. But some players
getting naked in front of her, but then she's also
interviewing in the locker room. That one's a little bit
smudgie but still weird. Yeah, and this I think this
girl Jen what was her name, whatever, I think Jen Jenna.
She talked about Aaron Andrews being like her idol, which
was like Aaron Andrews was one of the first really
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big female interviewers for ESPN. All that to say what
I don't enjoy. Although the format of this thing is
like perfect sports documentary style for me, with the interviews
and the beat role, it all fit very very well.
Is from day one, and like you said, towards the
end two, it just felt like a hit piece, like
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it does feel like a hit like the news always
used to feel like hit pieces in a high school
I was watching, I was like, damn, they're just like
just trying to crush somebody, you know, And now the
news I don't even watch the news, but it feels
like maybe they do that less. So now they're going
to like Netflix where people are just to like you
hit piece him and to me again like I think
he's wrong, but I don't think this is the way
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you show he's wrong, you know, like, go go deal
with it, you know, and hopefully hopefully you can get
either a civil case or and I know they're sewing
them also for fraud because they just started like sprinkling
on all this shit at the end.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
The fraud part is actually the unexpected part a little bit.
The pervy part is, like you said, it's got to
be common, yeah, And but he you know, for one thing,
he just doesn't come off as that sophisticated a person.
He's kind of a you know, base level jock hit Yeah,
he's just the raw football player for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
The fraud stuff, I think it was maybe surprising with
Brett in this worry to me because again we're talking
about like sexual assault type stuff the whole time. But
and maybe again maybe I'm naive or too kind, but
a lot of times at that level I kind of
look over fraud in the sense that I just feel
like when you're at that level, you probably have other
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people fucking with your money. Not that he's innocent. He
could have also made bad decisions for sure, But like
I know, Messi had Lino, Messi had a bunch of
fraud stuff and it turned out like his CPA in
Spain wasn't doing his shit right. So like, what was Messi? No,
he has so much money, he's not you think Messi's
checking his Chase account, you know, like he hasn't looked
at that shit since he was sixteen. He's had hundreds
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of millions of dollars since he was sixteen, and he
just trusted the wrong person. So yeah, you need accountability.
I'm not saying that they shouldn't have repercussions, but I
don't always put that on the character of the person.
See the flip side of that.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
To me is Otani because his his translator was supposedly
stealing money from him and gambling with it. But most
people believe that he was actually gambling for a Tani
and this guy.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Was telling him to guy was actually possible.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Sentenced to jail and has not gone yet.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Tawi, Uh prosecute him then or at least speak up
against it.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
He did talk about Megasnitch if that is the case,
well he did.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
He's not the one that added him though, No, but
did he did do it?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
But if it is truth that he's having him gamble
for you and then you're gonna back it, yeah, that's
pretty bad. Yeah, And who knows the truth, right, You're
never gonna know the truth. But I just mean, like,
when you have yeah, billions like Whattani's probably right next
to a billion, I just know you're not the one
fucking pressing request money and send money. Yeah, definitely not,
you know, definitely. And so then I always again not
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that it's right wrong and they can't make bad decisions,
but I just I just don't make an automatic opinion
on Brett Farre's fraud.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I kind of feel like he knew what was going on.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
He definitely might have. He definitely I didn't understand the
volume ball thing as much. I know that led to
the fraud, but why were they Like a couple of
reporters were so mad that he was building the volleyball
stadium and they're like, it's only because his daughter plays volleyball.
I'm like, if I'm rich, I'm doing that also.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But if it's if it was his money, yeah, That's
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
But it's like it was not his but the build
up they were mad that it was volleyball. Yeah, oh yeah,
they're like, he has no attachment to volleyball there besides
his daughter. I'm like, if I'm rich and retired, yeah,
my money's going towards my daughter, right, Yeah, that I
that we And then obviously they go into the fraud.
But I was like, what are they arguing? Like, why
are you pissed that he's trying to help his daughter
have the dopest stadium? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Like that that's that was a poor argument on somebody's part.
I probably would not have included that quote as part
of the thing, except that they were using it as
a way, right, Yeah, to the to the to the
other fraud.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Well, it's that kind of stuff that made it just
feel too hit PC. Yeah. And when it's too hit PC,
you lose me. That he's the devil, right because like
every like he could be. He could make very bad
decisions and he could be done very very bad things.
Doesn't mean he's the devil. But now they're right, they're sprinkling,
and he chose volleyball over football, you know, all right?
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Yeahs like take a breather.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah at that part. I mean we were talking yesterday
about off off air about Tiger Woods and all the
ship that he's you know, been accused of proved to
have done.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I mean, that's my issue again with all these hit pieces,
is it is a cultural issue, right is sports have
always been idolized so much in America. I as well.
I just think I've done a decent job. Excuse me
of making them not my idols as a human. You know,
I I enjoy the performance and I've met I shook
Michael Jordan's hand, and that's you know, who I grew
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up loving, and like doesn't mean I want to be
Michael Jordan. Doesn't mean I don't think he's flawed, you know.
But like so then again, to me, it's just like
now we're just hit piecing a human. Yeah, like you know,
not that it's good, bad or the other, but sexual
assault probably happens in politics, in schools, and you know
what I mean. So but because you famous, now we
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just want to like make make an example of him.
But I don't think that solves any issues.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
No, I don't think it solves.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
It, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:09):
And I think that Like, I think one of the
fundamental problems with this thing is that they they spent
a lot of time with this woman who was who
was worked as a sideline reporter. She had been an
influencer kind of.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
It sounds like she was the first influencer ever. Yeah,
that was kind of the best part of the thing.
See that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I think that that should have been the focus. That
was like blowing up on MySpace, right, Yeah, the recreations
of the my bace screens were not interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
They didn't want to get sued. Yeah by Tom. What
do you know about Tom?
Speaker 1 (23:41):
He was my first run.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
They I remember dead Spin, Yeah you remember dead Spin
probably not. I wasn't on there a lot, but that
was almost like Chive era dead Spin Vice early era. Yeah,
there's a lot of like TMZ esque news places like
blogs trying to make it but they couldn't do what
the news was doing, so they tried to.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Which is the one that got put out of business
by Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Light Maybe there was like ten of them that kind
of like had some run.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
It was all TMZ.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, even like Reddit at the time felt more like
this in a sense, you know, like everything Yeah, TMZ.
TMZ's interesting arc because they were like the tabloids like
ten ten aliens land on the Capitol and then now
they break real news news faster and more.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Accurate than the news they evolved toward, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Which is crazy. And they were featured on this obviously.
They had like a couple of TMZ looking interviews. Yeah,
weird time. But yeah, they're being like a MySpace. Oh no, Facebook,
she said, mostly she went viral, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I think she was the first person to have max friends.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, yeah, she held out with a big old uh. Yeah, yeah,
it is funny. I don't know, they didn't put a
lot of years by everything.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
No, that would have helped.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, she said Facebook era, so like it had to
be in the two thousands.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Yeah, and she brought up my Space as well.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
MySpace. Yeah, like Facebook, I know, because I think it
was seven or eight when I was graduating high school.
Was the first year you could use Facebook, not being
a college student, which means I was only around four
or five years previous. Yeah, you know, it was still
very new. So yeah, it had to be like three
h four maybe with her era. Yeah, very all very
(25:25):
interesting things. Uh, and her story is fine, you know,
and I understand like she probably pushed some of the
agenda of the story because obviously she feels very blackballed
by the industry. But even that, again, like I don't
think this solves the issue. Like she's not going to
go get a reporting job because of this, No, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
No, she shouldn't have been blackballed over it because it
wasn't no for sure fault. No, just like she told
her story to the wrong person.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Well, and some of it was like they put the
dots together that maybe weren't there, you know, like she said, oh,
well I was fired. I'm like, well, like, I don't know,
because Brett had a tumultuous relationship the Jets too, so
like I don't know if he had that pull to
get her fired.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
He probably didn't, I think, but they led that on
that he did it. Yeah, But like sports franchises tend
to be very you know, trigger pulley over stuff, that's
for sure, you know, controversial.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Maybe a show sucked too, well.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Is it possible, you know you know what I mean? Like,
like she she never stopped looking good. And that's what
I'm saying. That's the most sexist, most sexist thing I'm
gonna say.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That Spike TV era, that's the Man Show era that
was like, yeah, grab some fake yiddies and throw her
on screen. I mean we're still in that era. That's
always that's never going to go away. No, no, no,
and God blessed the yiddies, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But but the story from her perspective would have been
more interesting and not because yeah, I mean it got
past her, but like a half hour story about her
whole from our whole perspective, ye, would have been maybe
a better show and wouldn't have had to have all
the piling on right right, you know, yeah, because then they're.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Just trying to dump. They're just trying to dump on them.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Because I have no idea what she's doing now. She
says she's not doing she's not doing TV, But what
is she doing now?
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah? Because then yeah, I don't know, because then even
that they like they should.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Be doing for all I know, And that's that's just
like reality.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
That's where she could make the bank, even like this
stuff like they're like, well Brett did fraud because he
had to been broke, like where'd all the money go?
Like but they didn't know. Yeah, and I'd never heard
those rumors and I follow sports pretty good, Like I
know Allen Iverson went bankrupt, Like when that stuff happens,
those news stories get out for real and I listened,
you know, so they were just like putting I think
they're trying to put too many people. That's what made
(27:35):
it feel like a hit piece again, like they're putting puzzles,
pieces in the puzzle that don't belong and maybe they're true,
but they're just making shit up. Yeah, like what if
he wasn't broke and maybe he's just a fraudster and
maybe he's not, you know, like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I have a hard time believing that he would be broke,
like it happens sadly, but yeah, but he doesn't seem
like that guy.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
But you don't know, like AI, you know, driving the cars,
wearing the jewelry Brett wasn't. You know he'sing Wranglers commercials.
You know, he's throwing a halbail around.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well he was. I don't know what he's doing now,
but I.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Feel like those commercials are still around kind of like
that those ones were not that long ago, like the
copper sleeves and ship that he was doing, the tendonitis
or whatever, is arthritis. I feel like those were probably
within the last eight years i've seen him.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The scammiest thing was the the anti concussion Yeah, yeah,
nasal spray, Yeah, that you blow into your nose from
your mouth.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I think I remember hearing about that or seeing it too.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
That looked weird. Yeah, And why would you have to
blow it in with your mouth like snorted or yeah,
or just you know, a squeeze bottle or something like,
I don't know, I mean a little bit of compressed
air or something. Yeah, because you're blowing your spit up
your nose. That seems like a bad idea tomy.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Hopefully there's a filter.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I don't know. It was not very clear. And again,
like that's almost a whole story by itself. Not an hour.
It was maybe not even half hour.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It was that politician he's doing with the blonde lady.
I don't know if she was a governor, I don't
know what she was, but like she seems more of
a fraudster too, because she was showing the text like
she was obviously on board. And same thing like again,
if he is the dumb jock again, not that he
shouldn't hold responsibility, but if a big old politician's coming
to you and says, hey, here's two hundred k to
(29:21):
do x y z and you don't know the laws
about x y z and you're like, yeah, i'll do it,
you know. Yeah, Like and they didn't. They didn't make
her out to be bad at all. They just mentioned
her name and came moving. I'm like, well she she
sounds like the puppet master. And some of this too,
again not the defense Bret by any means he should
also have responsibility because he made the decision. But it
just felt yeah, it felt very uh truth and then
(29:45):
witch hunty at the same time. And so then when
you do that, it takes away from the truth. To me,
at least when I watched it like that, it takes
away the validity of the of the the shittiness that
he behaved on, and the seriousness that we could have
taken that, because now we're just saying, like, wow, he
supported volleyball, and he he stole from wranglers and he
made fake ct I'm like, all right, so now you
just hate him, you hate Brett far Just say you
(30:06):
hate Brett Farv.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, which is fine. Anybody can hate anybody.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
That's Yeah, that's what it is so one last negative
part to play devil's advocate. Although I'm not trying to
like fucking sue the fuck out of him. I don't care,
is uh when she jen or whoever the main journalist
her name, I don't know why I'm not she talked
about it was only at the like towards the end
she started to say, like, yeah, this was crazy. I
never even met him. I never seen him. I've never
(30:31):
been in the same room as him. I'm not a
specialist by any means, but me reading her body language,
it felt like a lie. I'm like, I feel like
you probably were in the room or like met him, or.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I feel like she was probably in the room with him.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
But I think, but she you know, like and obviously
she's yeah, she could have been exaggerating to make a point.
And I'm like, you're the number one like journalist show
and you've never met like he was the biggest story
in the NFL that year because he fake retired twice
and sided the Jets, like you never interviewed him, Like,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, I don't have a hard time believing that. Well,
I mean, I have a hard time believing that she
wasn't in the same place as But it's she probably
didn't have control over who she talked to. No, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
That's that's even more to my point, Like they probably
had you interview as ass, you know, like, no, she
probably had zero part of the agenda. She probably didn't
even write her own questions, you know, she's just yeah,
she would just.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Going to like they'll give her like a list, like
all right, we're gonna do this, this, this, this, that
some of it didn't get done.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, and then that's your job.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, her job is to be on screen, and she
wasn't hired as a writer. She was hired as a
on screen personality.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah. Yeah, that's it looks like it looks like a
YouTube channel where somebody's a star and everybody else is
behind the scenes. Gondn't happen, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Which is like where a lot of this stuff is gone. Now,
Like not that creators don't have brains, because you know,
mister Beast writes a lot of his own stuff or whatever,
but like things have gone so big you need a team, yeah,
you know, and so you'll be doing shit editors, writers, creatives.
You know, it just happens. Yeah, but I did like
the style oft documentary that's like right up my alley
to give it more positives, like just just all of it.
(32:03):
How it's kind of edited, how it's kind of produced. Yeah,
from the look of it, it looks better than some
of the ones. The interview style, the look style, the
b roll to the old, the chronological ish order, like
all that's just to me like the perfect doc. And
you can take any topic and you can just put
it in that format. And obviously whether it makes it
awesome or not is the characters and the story. And
(32:24):
this one was you know, okay, but the format for
me is because it's engaging. It moved quick enough, it
wasn't too slow on anything. Obviously Brett favor a Jets
interview would have top this thing off.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, and you know this disconnects to some of the
docks that we were talking about a little while back.
The behavior of fans around Brett Favre is kind of culty.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Yeah. I mean a lot of sports like that, especially
in the Midwest. Man, Midwest football is crazy and the
South he comes from, like the two you know, football fucking.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Mechas, Yeah, and like people don't want to believe bad
things about people that they worship, and it's you know,
that's the same thing as a cult. Yeah, well, you
don't want.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
To be faced with the truth of what happens everywhere.
It happens in celebrityhood, actors, musicians, sports people, it's going
to happen with like the now that content creators are
on that level, I think officially, you know, this is
like the year where they're all on that level. The
amount of clips I see where rapper Young Thug was
(33:30):
just with Hayden Ross and just literally looks the dead
in the ice is I don't want to rap anymore.
I want to be a streamer, you know, Like and
that was the joke back in the day, like basketball
players want to be rappers and rappers want to be
basketball players in the nineties because both were the top
or towards the early two thousands. Now it's like streaming
and content creation. So now that they're on the same
level of the fame or honor, whatever you want to
(33:53):
call it in our culture, we're going to find out
they're all pieces of shit too. Not all, but you know,
we're gonna find out eighty percent of our pieces of
shit too, you know. And I think it's a good thing.
In some ways. We're like you just we're all just humans,
you know, We're all just trying this shit. None of
us are fucking perfect, you know, and chances are to
get to the absolute highest level. Yeah, maybe you have
some character flaws to get there.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You know. It was entirely played for comedy. I'm sure
you probably didn't watch the most recent season of Hacks.
But the sort of main character ends up getting at
a late night show, late night talk show, and they're
trying to boost the ratings or whatever, and it's like, well,
we should be looking at like viral social media stars
(34:35):
to pull in, and they pull in this woman from
Canada who's like on TikTok, she's dance bomb, and initially
she doesn't want.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
To do it.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
She's like, oh, i'm too, Like I'm too, this is
just I just do this for me and I do
it by myself and whatever. And finally they get her
on the show, and of course she's like a big
sensation or whatever, and she gets all these offers like
brand deals and whatever, millions of bucks, you know, like promised,
and she rents this amazing house and in the Hollywood Hills,
(35:06):
overlooking everything and she turns out to be this massive
drug addict. Yeah, and uh she's like not even a mom,
she's not married, she doesn't have kids. She's just like
total complete fraud.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
I mean that's that's Hollywood for the last fifty years.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, there's just so much truth to that. Like, was
it the AMA's just happened like three weeks ago? American
Music Awards. I know the beet just happened because the
Grammys were months ago. But either way, all three of
those ratings plummeted over the last eight years. Yeah, what
did they do? They hired Kay Sanat to go stream
(35:45):
the whole thing and ratings boosted back up. Yeah they can't.
I mean they had Kevin Hart hosting it. They couldn't
get ratings up. They said, all right, we need a
streamer back here. Yeah. You know, it really is changing
it quick. And if you want to grab the next gen,
if you're trying to get anyone under thirty to watch
these shits, you know, especially be like BT is like MTV. Yeah,
it used to be based on music and it had
(36:05):
its run, but it's not music. There's nothing going on. Yeah,
there's nothing going on and obviously the A wars have
to do with music. But I wouldn't be surprised next
year if they have a Streamer of the Year award
at the AMAS or at the Beets or at the
Oscars or something like that, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah,
it's got to happen. It's got the best YouTube or
the best streamer of the best x the best whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It's It's not the same thing because it's not streaming,
but it but it sort of is the same way
that the Tonys were a couple of weeks ago, and uh,
you know, George Clooney was the star of the stage
version of good Night and good Luck, which is like
a twenty year old movie that he directed. He was
(36:45):
not the central figure. Somebody else played the character in
the movie. But that that show because it had like
that like Clark greg from The Avengers, you know, and
and a bunch of recognizable Hollywood people, and it made
more money in one week than any Broadway show ever has.
(37:08):
And there's there's Glengarry Glenn Ross on Broadway, which has like,
you know, the guy from Succession, and you know, all
of these like famous people in it. And then early
next year John Burnhal and Evan Moss backrack from The Bear,
John Barental The Punisher. Of course, ye are doing Broadway, Yeah,
(37:33):
a stage version of Dog Day Afternoon. And it's like
it's like it's a little reversal it brings and it's
beyond what Disney did by bringing like their their movies
to to Broadway.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
And so I remember when that happened, like Lion King Broadway,
like I was probably maybe junior high or it was going,
but it was like huge news, like it was shattering ship,
you know. I mean it kind of makes sense again,
like it kind of humanizes people again. And even as
a creator, I would imagine, like not not obviously not
every actor is like creative, because some of them are
(38:06):
just shitters, but some of them probably truly like the
craft and they probably feel like their craft is getting
taken away with them or from them with AI and
even just how much edited shit there is. Yeah, so
they're like, well, let me go like do what I
like to do. Yeah, eight shows a week, that's I mean,
that's a grind.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But yeah, well I think you got to be pretty
legit to be able to do eight shows a week
for sure and not be hated, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
And then not be total trash. It is interesting. It
is interesting, well right FARV. I know, I told subass
afare too. The Aaron Rodgers one is like a three
or four you know piece series. It's a little bit
more of about as like a spiritual journey and mental
journey and family life, which I enjoyed. It was another
(38:51):
really good one. But within that he talks about him
and Brett Faarr of not having a good relationship.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I can't imagine that they did.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, one, I think there are different people somewhat and knocked.
So maybe it was you, was it me?
Speaker 1 (39:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I thought maybe I'm tweaking.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Cameras are back not back here and networking anymore.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So it started to tell they and yeah, yeah, some
of it was probably because he was drafted, where Brett
still thought he had miles in them, right, which is
which happens at multiple places. But also I think they're
just so different, right South Mississippi versus like northern California. Yeah,
you know, he went to school at cal and everything different,
very different personalities. But uh yeah, I just think you
(39:32):
could do a deep dive on any human on earth
and maybe they don't have as bad of a you know,
a resume as as Brett did in this thing. But
like everyone's got shipp you know, it's like it just
feels like you're you're coming, You're trying to open skeletons
in the closet type deal, Like, yeah, we're gonna find
that anywhere. These dudes are just human. Yeah, you know,
and what he did was obviously not cool, and I
(39:52):
think he should get sued out the ass, But yeah,
it wasn't the topic for me per se.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, all right, well, let's wrap this up with a rating.
I think that I think it's got to be unsolicited Dick.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Pics, Yeah, Cox, Cox and Bulls. Yeah, what year was that?
JETSH eight? That's probably iPhone one. That's probably an iPhone
one cock because we're just talking about retro retro phones.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
It looks better in higher resolution.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
It had to be. It had to be, like, oh wait, probably,
so let's look it up because I think it only
played there one year, maybe two Brett Farv Jets season.
God damn it, I'm good. Oh eight, because I knew
iPhone came out that year. iPhone one came out, uh summer,
end of summer o seven.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
But just bread for being like an iPhone guy.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I feel like in that. Yeah, I don't even remember
because I was so spoiled with phones then. That's when
dad worked for AT and T. I was getting a
new phone like every three weeks, and so I don't
know what the world's vibe was on phones. But I
feel like the iPhone one was a big deal. Oh
it was huge and he probably.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Got it, but it was it was only AT and
T for a long.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Yeah, that's why. Yeah, I went to like the opening
party that it was crazy. But yeah, like because I
was a BlackBerry guy. Actually I didn't have the iPhone one. Yeah,
I was a BlackBerry guy. Maybe it was a BlackBerry guy.
Now he's from the South. I feel like a BlackBerry
guy is like the New York San Francisco guy. Yeah,
like they were the businessman. Yeah it was the businessman
at the time. But yeah, because I don't know, it
(41:25):
had to be right. I don't think other phones really
had cameras. The BlackBerry didn't.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Later blackberries did.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, the flip phones probably had one or two. Yeah,
like the the Razor might have, which is like six
oh seven or for sure, Yeah, that might have been
one of the first ones six oh seven. I had
a phone around that era that could like hold three
songs and they thought it was earth shattering, could literally
all it sounded like shit.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
Yeah, I remember having having a razor.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Yeah all right, Dick Picks, We're gonna have to do
two again. I know we've been doing that, but we'll
do like as a documentary and then like the substance
of the documentary kind of thing, because because I think
as like a put together again format and ship. Yeah,
I'm at like a four four and a half, you know,
that's right up my alley. Everything was clean, b roll
(42:15):
was clean, It didn't feel too long, didn't perfect length, Yeah,
perfect length, Dick Picks. I thought she was gonna throw
a comment about it about it because you know, like
they showed the picture yeah, yeah, which is crazy. And
then like I thought there was gonna.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Be censored folks.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, but it was his hand too kind of right. Yeah,
it was a weird pick. Yeah, I'm not a Dick
pick on a sword, but that's not how I'm sending it. Brett.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Then like yeah, subject matter, you know, or overall maybe
like three three, two five, you know, definitely not bad,
like if you're a football fan or Brett Faarr fan, like,
it's worth a watch. You know, it's definitely not bad,
but it's also not a home run by any means.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
I have to agree like a four on the overall
documentary and then like a three.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think I'm right there with it's your best.
I think that four four, four in a quarter or
something like that on the execution and like three on
the Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
If it's like a topic I love and they execute
it like that, it's going to be a five and
five banger. Yeah, you know, it would be like and
I don't know what that topic would be, but it
wouldn't be Brett Farv. Yeah, and it wouldn't be like, yeah,
Dick Picks and Ship, you know, which is all fun
and danny, but it's just not what I'm turning on,
especially when the thing is like a Brett Farv thing.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I think that's part of the issue too, Like if
I knew I was getting into like a sexual assault documentary,
it might be different. But if I'm looking for I'm
trying to see, like Brett Farve's like a little bit
more about the retirement decisions, and they dug a little
bit right with his dad passing, and they just sprinkled
over that.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
I remember, I remember that game. I remember him playing
that game knowing that his dad had just died and
and actually being kind of like emotional about that, you know,
like how do you do that?
Speaker 2 (43:58):
For sure?
Speaker 1 (43:59):
He's like, is it a tribute to that person? Or
you just smashing it down and not dealing with it?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah's you know, no, his story, like you take all
this stuff out of it, and they obviously just glassed
over it, but like taking a top pick, well, you're
still decent quarterback that's got a hurt from an organization
that you brought out of a drought and they love
you like that's got a hurt. And he, you know,
pseudo retired from that dad dying within the next five years,
(44:26):
going to the Jets, having whether this controversy because they
also made this controversy look like why he left the Jets,
and I don't know if that's the case. I don't
know if that's the case, but you know, they put
so much on this, but that could have been another
because they also just didn't have that great of a
season and the gets weren't just that good. They didn't
mention that once they put it on Brett, Yeah, where
then he goes to the Vikings. Well it is the Jets.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I think that's kind of factory.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, maybe they already knew because then he goes to
the Vikings. It has a couple of good years. Yeah,
you know, like they make a playoff run and shit,
and I would ye like to get more into Brett's mind.
That would have been the topic I would have chosen.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
I bet he didn't cooperate.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, well, because they probably came with him and yeah, hey,
I don't know here tick.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Doc, you want to talk to us, Dick pick and
fraud you in yeah, gen z or chatting.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Uh yeah, unfortunate but pretty good. Pretty good. Netflix you
know is always going to get you at least a
C plus doc about Sure. Yeah, they're not going to
make a miss. New shows Wednesday, Folks, Catches, Third Street, Barbles,
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