What to look for in a good physical therapist (or coach)? Guest: PT Dr. Patrick Bell

At Third Street Barbell, we’re lucky enough to have three physical therapists as members. Jim’s been working with Patrick Bell on a shoulder injury and has been very impressed with his knowledge and how he structures and communicates his rehab exercise selections. Since Patrick’s clients are mainly online, we thought it would be good to chat with him about what makes a good physical therapy (and coaching) relationship. He works with Move Your Bones PT, which combines rehabilitation and performance coaching, so he’s uniquely suited to address the issues of working athletes, particularly in a virtual setting.  

Also, Mike’s back for a bit from his own gig as a traveling coach.  

You can find Dr. Bell on Instagram at @ptpatbell.  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Mike always wears it's just kind of one side on,
one side off. I do that with AirPods, but I
don't do it with anything else.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Ever. One on one huh to hear one in one.
I don't know why I do one off. It feels
like too claustrophobic with both on. Yeah, like loud noise
that's going on. My tissm starts screaming at me.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
We need uh, we need cup holders. These things need
to have building cup holders. But but then we don't
have them. So well, oh we're in Hey, hello, Mike's back.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
For a minute.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, I'll play you day by day.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
So what the hell's going on in this world?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
See what the hell is going on in this world?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Yeah, it's just like I like to say, on assignment,
was on assignment?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, that's what it felt like.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
New kicks.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, I'm turning into a runner. I'm a hybrid athlete.
My sister I was born in Portland. That's gonna say,
what were you hybridized? Yeah? Not really running, but there's
something now. I was born in Portland, so my sister
still lives up there, so she gets a lot of
access to employees stores, so everything's fifty percent off, so

(01:23):
I can't really complain. So she sent me some shoes
for my early birthday, which is like, yeah, she sent
them like two months early. But again I'm not going
to complain.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, well, how can you really?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, and running shoes are like they're finally not just
dad shoes. They're cool and the reason they've been dad
shoes is because they're always comfortable. So now that fashion
and comfort are both allowed, I'm not gonna ever say this.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I have like two inches of plus a foam under
my feet here on these hocause.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah, you can't say no, Yeah I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
I like the eights better than the nines, to be honest,
these are bondies, but you just can't get the eights
like they they only run like limited runs of them
and then you got to snatch them up then or whatever.
I just bought two pairs this time. I just bought
a great parent, a black parent. I just intending to
not have to buy shoes for a while.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I got crazy segues already dive in.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh yeah yeah we should we should introduce our Yeah
that was part of the segue.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
OK, so we got doctor Pat, So what should go
by I go by it, yeah, doctor Pat. Remember here
at the gym for a while now, Patrick Bell. No
relation yeah has helped important for our older audience.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
No relation yeah has.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Helped, has helped many of our staff. Really, those are
the reports I hear Kyle and Jim in particular getting
help from you. But first we'll dive into education, then
we can dive into bullshit. The feet topic is a
hot topic, and I feel like it's always been a
hot topic and it's gone back and forth, and we won't.
I mean, you can slander whoever you want. I don't
give a fuck, and I'll back you up. But there's

(02:55):
a lot of dudes on the internet that are so
anti shoe, you know, yeah, anti running, shoe, anti this,
anti that, and and the argument for all of it
for me is just hearsake because everyone just says like, well,
our ancestors didn't have shoes, and I'm like, yeah, our
ancestors didn't fly in airplanes, our ancestors didn't shower, and
those aren't doesn't mean they're bad, right, So what is

(03:17):
your take? And I think it's really prevalent to the
hybrid athlete, which is like just the popular term of
someone who gets off the couch and also likes to
live weights, but it's someone that you know does maybe
a little running. I've made miles Sunday of thing, so
I try to run a mile every Sunday so I
don't die. Yeah, I do cardio during the week or whatever.

(03:37):
But then obviously I'm a lifter, so we're not lifting
in these, you know, yeah, ball soup ball shoes. But yeah,
but like just to stomp around during the day, Am
I going to die? Am I to fuck up my feet?
Or should I look for something flat? Because that's argument, right,
like flat shoes twenty four to seven or toe shoes?

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Yeah. Man, there's a lot of noise out there.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
And it's confusing to sort through. I think the pendulum
just swings back and forth, and honestly, I try not
to overcomplicate it. I think it's it's contextual and based
on like what you prefer, what feels good to you,
and what your activities are, and what you've been used
to wearing too. I think if you're used to wearing
hokahs and you like can't even feel the ground beneath
your feet and the shoes you've been wearing and you

(04:25):
just switch suddenly and only wear barefoot shoes, like, okay,
you might have a little bit of backlash from your
body there. I think, you know, I like barefoot shoes.
I like shoes like those. I think what what I
instruct most of my clients to look for is is
it comfortable? Does it give your foot room to breathe?
Can you actually feel the ground? Can you articulate with

(04:46):
the ground, Can you spread your toes? Yeah, I honestly
would just I keep it to those things.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's a good simple tip.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I do feel like shoes have adjusted gym and I
Jim probably more than me now as a wide foot,
but I've had a wide ass foot. My dad always
had to get custom, not custom, but you know, the
triple d's and we're not talking titties or whatever the
e or whatever it is for e from Yeah. Yeah,
my dad's something crazy like that. Yeah, and mine's pretty
fat and so growing up, I played basketball, So I

(05:15):
just wore basketball shoes, which was like cool at the time.
Now basketball shoes aren't cool or whatever the kids are doing.
But I had to wear I wore Adidas a lot
because Adidas are the only thing that were slightly wide. Yeah,
and I'm double socking because you're playing you know, twelve
hours of basketball they or whatever. But I have seen
recently and I just couldn't fit Nikes. I just couldn't
fit them. But I feel like they have gone slightly

(05:37):
wider because I wear a decent amount of Nikes now
and I doubt my foot got less fat.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
As fat as America is.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
I can't understand why. Yeah, the most common shoe with
is D, like single D, and people have to like size.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Up and wear clown shoes. Like I don't understand it.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I do think, and it literally fat. Like I could
tell when I'm like too oney and over, I'm like
an eleven eleven and a half shoe, and when I'm
like two ten and under, I can feel like a
ten and a half eleven. Interesting and so like, let alone,
if you're you know, three bills, which isn't uncommon, like
they're there, that's definitely gonna play a role in what
the fuck your foot's doing.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Oh yeah, because it I mean over time is in
gravin you get to spread your foot out.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
I mean, unless it's being locked in by a narrow shoe.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, not to sound crazy racist, but
wasn't that like that's like a Chinese thing, right, Like they'll.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
They're like drink your foot and lotus foot.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah yeah, they just like purposely block it in.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, because then you can only walk like yeah, and
you can't run.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Oh that being maybe the big biggest part of it.
You can't run away?

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Is that on purpose?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Yeah, that's crazy, a little subjugation, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
I'm doing that for my kids for sure. Your little
ship little shit can't run away and lock his ankles up.
Flat feeds another one. People talk a lot of shit
on and I have a one anecdotal experiment where my
feet are flat as shit and I've never twisted my
ankle bad enough to miss a game in my life. Yeah.

(07:06):
I swear it's a superpower, you know what, man?

Speaker 5 (07:09):
I think That's another thing is like the demonization of
flat feet or like high arches.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Or whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
I think like people's feet come in all kinds of
different shapes and stuff. Well I look for is like
can your foot move, you know, for you like if
you have flat feet, but you can actually pronate and
soupin it and get in the positions that you need
to do what you're doing in the gym or in life,
you're gonna be great.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
But if you could have high arches, you could have
flat feet.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
But if you can't move, if your foot is locked up,
then I think that's where people are ont of the problems.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
I think it's the same thing as the demonization of
the butt wink. It's just how some people move anteriorly
rotated pelvises. Yet that's a way that people are built.
It's like, yeah, there's some things that we cannot fix,
Like why concentrate on the way people actually actually move
and the efficiency there as opposed to like some ideal

(08:01):
and trying to make everybody exactly the same.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah, I don't know why that was a thing for
so long. Like everyone's squat form is supposed to look
the same, but like women and men's femurs are going
to be like six inches different, you know, like of
course it's going to look different, or like yeah, you're back,
you know, or your hips your hip angle and a
squat changing so drastically, which people have slowly gotten over
at least in our world that kind of understand it.

(08:25):
But to the outside world now again, like training kind
of like a gen pop. Like my client agents into
lifting and he understands what's going on a little bit,
but the people watching him are just so clueless. And
so I'm like rehearing myths that I didn't I thought
were gone. Yeah, you know, general or more specific like

(08:47):
stuff like that, like lifting making you slow and bulky,
and you know, like just like the most basic stuff.
I'm like, man, we've come so far, but we have
so far to go still in terms of like what
the general US has a clue about health and fitness.
It's crazy, I know.

Speaker 5 (09:03):
And I think it's a lot of the verbiage you
see out there too. It's like fix your antior public till.
It's just like what you see circulated around and then
it gets implanted in people's minds, like this is something
that is wrong with me when most people are walking
around with some sort of anti your public till, and
it's like a perfectly natural position. It's just like, can
you access the opposite into the spectrum? Yeah, it's all
kind of the same.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I was so lucky to have a really good strength coach.
Shout out to Dean Durham, who's basically Kyle's like godfather
and We didn't know that until I met Kyle eight
years ago and my strength coach, I know, since seventh grade,
so like twenty five years ago. And he just called
it like power butt because like every running back, like
because every running back is kind of like that. A
lot of gymnasts are kind of like that. And I

(09:42):
just was always kind of tilted like that. He's like, yeah, man,
like does it hurt? I was like sometimes my low
back locks up. He's like, all right, we'll just like
get as stronger and as long as you're good, I'm
like all right, and then I was good. You know,
like if you went to some crazy dude who's stuck
in books all day, they're trying to get you perfectly
chylepractor and not talk shit. A lot of Cairo, you know,
they're trying to like crack my back straight, and I'm like, well,

(10:03):
that's not gonna work. Like I don't think it works
that way, you know man.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
In case people didn't get it passive physical therapists.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
So yeah, and I you know, shout out. Jordan's like
there's a lot of really good Cairos that I'm friends with,
but it's just as a whole, you know, it's slim
pickens of of what they believe or not. I don't
know if you know Jordan shallow muscle dock, but Jordan's
you know, very well read, very very well experienced where
he's actually coaching people and a lot of different mobilities.
So there are some good ones out there for sure.

(10:33):
But in same with PTS, you know, not the wreck
of your world. There's a lot of dudes that just
won't have you lift right, like I got all these
issues or you're old or whatever. They're just having you
bossu ball all day thinking that's going to fix an issue,
you know, or roll your foot on a golf ball
fix some issues, and that's obviously not going to fix
it either.

Speaker 5 (10:50):
You know, there's good and bad in both disciplines, and
I think it like whether you're at cairo PT, I
think your role is to to give someone the tools to,
you know, do the thing that they want to independently.
And if you're creating dependence there and you're like, all
I'm gonna do is crack your back or like give
you soft tissue work and you just have to keep
coming back to me, and you're not actually learning how
to do this autonomously. Then that's I think a disservice

(11:12):
and that's why I have a problem.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
I I should mention at this point that we have
literally literally three physical therapists as members in the gym,
and over the course of the gym we've had five.
We also have a urologist, which is it's just interesting
as well, but they're all jacked. And like I think,
if you're you're looking for, if you're looking for a

(11:35):
physical therapist.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Or or a chiropractor or whatever, part of what you're
looking for is is.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
The walk the walk and part and obviously you're looking
for somebody who's intelligent and insightful and and and well.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Educated and all that. But the walk the walk thing
is big. It's it's huge.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
And I mean, speaking of huge, your arms are huge.
We should just talk about that now.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, what route did you go? Because even me growing up,
I think you're a little bit younger of me. I
think my sister wanted to be a PT, and everyone,
like I knew want to be a PT. But that
was like you're in a hospital dealing with people that
like maybe broke a hip or they're really old and
they're just trying to figure it out. But as I
got into the industry in like twenty I guess nine,

(12:22):
and met some people even like the Starets and other
people that were more performance. Basically start to realize like, oh,
they're much closer or there's a section of them much
closer to what I'm into, strength and conditioning or athletes
or performance. What was your first introduction and maybe where
did your career go, Like why'd you want to get
into it? And then where did your career go in
terms of that kind of clientele.

Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah, I actually started off as an architecture major in college.
PT wasn't even on the radar.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Man that was a backup for me, was it? Yeah?
For sure? Yeah, yeah, I love I love architecture.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
Yeah, I got a lot of friends are in the
industry mat respect. But I did a year and I
was like, this isn't for me. I'd always I start
of lifting in high school because I was just puny
and like didn't want to get destroyed in football. So
I kind of had that in the back of my
mind and heard about PT. I had a couple friends
in kinesiologies like oh, I'll give it a try. Started
working at the clinic, Like Okay, I could see myself
doing this. So went to pt school, still carried on

(13:16):
the lifting, and then about like a year out of school,
I was burnt out, had done some travel therapy insurance
based like clinic work. I was like, you know this,
I just don't see this for myself. So like, you know,
let's let's dive into like the gym here like this.
These are the people who I'm passionate about treating because
it's you know, things that I've dealt with myself with
injuries in the past. So started working with you know, bodybuilders, powerlifters,

(13:40):
explored both of those realms myself, and now here we are,
I'm working with pretty much only people who are lifting
in some capacity and just trying to get back to
where they want to be in the gym.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
So and your all of your practices online?

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
I have my own business up in Seattle where I
was living up until I joined the gym. Came down
here year and I was working with with bodybuilders and
power lookers and gym athletes in person.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
And then I got on with UH doctor Susie Spurlock out.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
Of South Carolina, and we're purely online rehab and fitness
coaching at this point. So yeah, pretty much all online
at this point except for a couple in person clients.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
So if if someone is in the position where they
are participating in inactivity, a physical activity, and they have
some kind of thing that they're trying to resolve, an
injury or some you know, some condition they were born
with or whatever whatever, whatever, like, what should they be

(14:38):
looking for in in a in a practitioner, either online
or in person. But online is more of a challenge,
I think, because you don't because you don't you can't
like physically assess the person, and you don't know the
dynamic is different.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, they all got chat GPT right in their marketing
all the marketing excused your gold.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Just just a aside. My son was telling us the
other day that he works in IT. He's a software engineer,
and he said that that they were in an interview
panel the other day interviewing somebody for a job, and
it was so clear that this person was was had
chat GPT on voice to text and they were reading

(15:19):
off the answers that they were.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Oh it's getting weird to ask YEA. Yeah, I was
just talking to Kirby, one of remembers, and she's like
like she's taking a couple of classes for whatever in college,
and she's like the teachers are like more worried about
if my my essays like AI than like what I
put in there. And I swear I read an article
I should have found it where because you can like
upload something. They'll say like, oh, this is ninety seven

(15:42):
percent chance. I swear there was like a test someone
throw in like Shakespeare or the Bible or something, and
it like read really high AI. And we're like all right,
like because that's the stuff that was fed in. Yeah, right,
And you're like we're not there yet, so like, yeah,
it's good causing issues for sure. Already it's crazy, man,
in your world just to help like a lot of
diagnosis stuff people are chucking in there, even my world

(16:04):
are like real estate and stuff. You just throw numbers
at it and it analyzes them like a motherfucker, like
so fast and so clean. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
I think it has a lot of utility. I think
it still hasn't quite caught up, yeah to what we're
doing for five.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Job security.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
The soft skills, the soft skills are always going to
be there, especially in health and human interaction. That's where
I'm pretty confident in the fitness game too. And what
you do, like if because you can google the answers
for the last twenty years on how to fix my
knee pain, but you're not going to do it. You're
not gonna do it correct, and you're not going to
stay with it. So like what you do is yeah,
I think safe, buddy.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Cut yeah, game for you?

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yeah, Yeah, I think honestly, I think it's the soft
skills that set people online and in person coaches apart.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Like it is this.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Person who you're working with, someone who listens to you,
who adapts your program based on your knees and not
just giving you some cookie cutter bullshit you know that
anything anybody could give you or that you could get.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
From chat GPT.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
Yeah, I think just just having someone who listens to you,
who like is consistently checking in with you. I think,
honestly that's one of That's what I enjoy about online
or virtual coaching is when I was in the clinic,
like you could maybe I see you know, Bob once

(17:20):
every two weeks and there's no communication between and I'm
giving him a handout and he's you know, I'm trusting
him to do it for two weeks and then he
comes back in two weeks, and a lot could have
changed without me being able to help him in the
in between. And so like being able to actually communicate
with people on a daily basis and update their program
based on how they're feeling and give him advice and
that kind of thing I think is a big advantage
with with online coaching.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I think It's been probably six seven eight years since
I worked with a physical therapist for anything before I
started to work with you.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Some of it is definitely that technology is in a
different spot than it was then. Even then, I myself
was available, but it wasn't like so commonly used. But like, uh,
working with you has been great because like we have
a conversation, you do a assessment, you show me some
exercise stuff, and then you follow up and you give

(18:13):
me a program and you give me all the videos
that show how to do it correctly. And that I mean,
I got like xerox pieces of paper before, and I'm
carrying around the gym trying to figure out how to
how to stay up with it, and I am sometimes
a terrible patient, and I and in the past have
have had a real challenge keeping up with exercises and

(18:37):
you know, like just being consistent about it, which has
not been truth.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
This time at all. And I'm getting better, so go figure.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, that's what I don't think people understand on like
the professional side of things, because coaching PT fitness has
become such like an online business. So like maybe it's
just my algorithm, but I think it's pretty prominent where
like everyone's just trying to teach you how to scale
to a seven figure every now and that's everywhere, that
Sebos's world. That's content creation. That's just like and it's

(19:04):
just like money goal, money goal, money goal. And not
to sound like some you know, enlightened fuck that I am,
but you know, like you just won't make those seven
figures if you hate what you do. And so like
as a coach, as a whatever not side tangent. But
I talk to Chris our Barbera a long time ago
in this conversation stuck in my head. I think most

(19:27):
high schools do it, but mine did a bunch of
like personality tests and like what you're good at tests?
And you know, are you good with groups or big
project small projects? And I never understood it because I'm sixteen, right,
and then looking back our barber like he didn't mean
to sound so like smart, but he did. He's like,
I get to see like a messy project and I
fixed like a good project every half hour. Right, you

(19:50):
come in with shitty air, you leave looking good, and
that feels good every half hour. I'm like, dude, that's
like what's missing in what I need because like entrepreneurship
is a end of your game. Personal training if you
have a really good client, like a really good client,
is a two year game to see some like real changes. Yeah,
and so online coaching never felt good to me because

(20:12):
like you're getting people that want the you know, the
sugar peel to answer quick. You want the people that
like take your program, hire you for three months, and
then disappear and just run that program over and over.
And I'm like, dude, like like you just said, like
the program isn't the sauce, Like I'm the sauce, you know,
like you need to be with me, and this is true.
You know, I'll take anyone's problem, Like you could have

(20:33):
an eighth grader ride a workout program, and I'm gonna
coach that to someone better than the program is like
that the x's and o's not that they don't matter,
but you can build muscle with sets of fifty and
we can build muscle with sets a three, Like it
matters much less than what I can like give you.
And so it's cool that you have clients that like
text you all the time or message you all the time,

(20:54):
because that really is for you and them like the
key to success. Then even my new gig coaching agent,
like they just feels so much better, just like being
on the road with them and like being able to
actually make a change, which you obviously can't do with
every client. It's the travel coaches is a privilege. Yeah,
it doesn't always happen for most folks, but but it
is the way to make shit happen. Yeah, you know

(21:16):
it's the way, and he knew it and that's why
he's like, man, I got to lock in my health,
like business is going crazy, Like just like stay on
my side. Then if you can get that in your
pocket on a phone and both parties are there to
problem solve, it can work for sure.

Speaker 5 (21:29):
One percent the accountability piece, Yeah, and then communication too.
I mean I can I can predict pretty quickly off
the bat, working with someone like are you going to
be as successful as you could be based on how
well you're communicating?

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Well, that's what the client doesn't understand, is like communication
like they're they're they're spot one. I'm not going to
chase you down. I'm not going to text you every
day agent I do. I just send him a voicemail.
But he's like my you know, it's like my little
son at this point. But like everyone else, like, yeah,
online coaching. I give him a program and then I
don't hear somebody for three weeks. Like that's on you, bro,

(22:01):
Like I told you, hit me up with anything, send
me the videos. I'm not going to chase you down,
you know. And that I guarantee we could find a
correlation of success based on how often they they message
you with their pain, how how often they messaged you
about success towards whatever goal, strength, coal, fitness goal. I
guarantee it goes up exponentially if they just.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yeah, let me ask you this question.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
How do you deal with.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Clients who are impatient about change?

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, every human everybody, everybody, everybody especially pain. Yeah, like
everyone wants to get fit fast, but pain, Like you
want out that bitch, And if you're a competitive person,
you want back on the field, you want back on
the core, you want back on the platform.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
It's tough, man, because a lot of times, especially with
the number of the clients I'm working with right now,
there's there's a lot of chronic pain, like they've been
dealing with it for quite some time, and it's it's
unreasonable to spec that like within two months of working
with and we were just going to.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Completely reverse out of eight years of back pain, you know.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
So I think setting expectations and really communicating, which they
a lot of them already know deep down, like this
is going to be a long game, Like it is
going to take us a while, So let me show
you the roadmap for how we're going to get there,
Like this is where you are right now, this is
the steps anticipate us taking. Let's set some short term
goals and some short term checkpoints to keep that motivation

(23:26):
and keep you going long enough to.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Actually see the results.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
And honestly, I think that's where like the program and
the more holistic approach come in, Like even if maybe
we're treating your back pain, but you're also trying to
get your first pull up, like let's leverage that, let's
work on these other other things to just like keep
you in the game long enough to actually win the game.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
So that's smart. I mean that's why I got into powerlifting,
Like I was personal training or whatever strength conditioning, but
like to have strength goals beside you trying to dunk
or something like major that you may never hit or
is just really fucking hard. Yeah, you know, like if
you say, all right, you did two twenty five, we
get you to seventy five in three months. Now we
can hit that, and then you actually have versus even

(24:06):
physique goals. My bodybuilding is so hard. Is like to
get a six pack takes a year, you might not
get there. To like build an inch on your bicep
might take five years. Yeah, you know, and then you
got to measure it, like you know, it's just like
not in your face, Like it's not in your face, right,
but like I see I'm adding more weight. I feel
I'm adding more weight. It just makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, I think that there's there's intellectual knowledge and then
there's like emotional knowledge, like the things that you know
you could take it as a given that things are
gonna take a period of time, But damn if the
emotional part of it isn't like anxious and frustrated with
the amount of time that you know it's gonna take,

(24:46):
and there's like no way to not feel that.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
All you can do is.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Figure out, you know, with whoever you're working with, how
to tamp it down and how to redirect it.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
That's the toughest part, man, It's the emotional piece. And honestly,
I would say even more than like pain being an enemy, it's.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
It's fear for a lot of people.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, like they've just especially if you've been dealing with
pain for a long time, like you've become so fearful
of certain movements or things that you know where triggers
that breaking down those barriers, and like the emotional trigger
that comes with that is really tough, and a lot
of times it was on to like reframing pain is like, hey,
this is a signal from your body. Sometimes it's not
always accurate, Like it doesn't always equal damage, right, Like

(25:22):
maybe your nervous system is super revved up because you've
been dealing with this so long and you know you're
locked down and guarding and your brain's just trying to
protect you. But yeah, the emotional piece is key.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
How do you deal with that side? Like I've dealt
with it forever as a coach because I coach basketball
and obviously fitness for fuck seventeen years. Like hypochondria, like
like obviously that's like a real diagnosis, but you know
what I mean, Like yeah, man, because I was just
totally like yo, Like pain doesn't mean injury, you know,
like yeah, my shit always hurts. I'm about to be

(25:54):
thirty seven, Like my deadlifted forever, Like my shit hurts,
but injury like we're calling a doc, you know. And
like if you never played physical sports growing up, which
is common. You know a lot of people are into
the gym now who didn't really play sports and they're
just finding their stuff. Or if you played you know,
a soft sport like sebos and you play baseball and
you're not hitting dudes, you don't know what like pain is,

(26:16):
you know versus like oh shit, like I need to
sit down, my ankle is broken. You know. Yeah, how
do you deal with some of that? Because I'm sure
you're getting calls all the time, especially powerlifters. No offense
to all you softies, like you know, they'll tweak something
or like, yeah, like I got muscle spasms every training block,
you know, when my back's just angry at me because

(26:36):
I'm deadlifting insane volume. But I know my back isn't broken,
you know, but people don't know that.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (26:43):
I think when there is a situation where there's a
lot of fear and a lot of just like avoidance
of a certain movement, Like it's all about finding the
entry point is what we call. Like we're trying to
get back to squadding, Like back squadding is super scary
for you right now, Like what's the most regress the
most progressed version of regression of that that you can
tolerate right now? That feels safe and you can see, Okay,
this is how I'm building towards that. And it's a

(27:05):
lot of times it's just putting constraints on movement to
just like and like building volume there, building comfort there,
adding load, adding range of motion, whatever it is. And
once they start to see that momentum and they get
a couple repetitions, they get exposure to that movement and
they can see, oh, I am capable of doing this,
Like my back's not gonna break. Then then it kind
of you know, generates that momentum because.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Like you said, the misinformation is just as big there,
like axial load's gonna you know, the spine can only
you can only do one hundred crunches in your lifetime
before a disc flops. Oh my god, you're gonna split
a disc. Deadlift in like it's everywhere, and again going
back to like my most recent experience, like everyone's just
throwing shit at you like that looks so bad for
your back, Like we still believe in that, like there's

(27:46):
just no way or or yeah, a little bit around
it in that bag. You better watch out. That disc
is gonna fly out. I'm like, dud, I don't think so,
Like I literally don't. I don't know. I've probably coach
five thousand people on how to deadlift. You know. We
used to do seminars in a weekend with hundreds of people,
and I think maybe once I had a person like

(28:08):
kind of drop a bar and grab their back. Yeah,
and even that was probably you know, an erector cramping
or something. Yeah, because your back is scary. Like I've
had some muscle spasms that lasted a month and like
I couldn't shit for three days, you know, like, and
I thought I was dying too, Like I've been there,
you know, rolling out of bed like I'm eighty years old. Like,
but I also didn't go to the doctor because I

(28:29):
knew I didn't break my back. Yeah, but the.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Lower back pump is something that people are not used
to when they start deadlifting, and so it suddenly becomes
oh my god, I've heard myself. It's like, no, actually
you haven't. If you stand around for a few minutes,
it's gonna go away. It's gonna it's gonna resolve.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I think I was lucky there. I used to get
that just from running again with like that anterior tilt
and might like just muscle butt, Like I would always
get a low back cramp running, So I knew that
pain from like seventh grade. It is hurt, you know,
like we always just used to like no, homo, just
like knee on the ground, Like you just get on
your knees and fucking that's the only way to relieve

(29:07):
your low back pain. Yeah, it's crazy. Man.

Speaker 5 (29:10):
Going back to what you said about the misinformation, I
think like words matter and people will remember that stuff,
you know, especially if they hear it from a provider,
but even if they see it on Instagram, like oh,
deadlifting will blow up your back or whatever. I saw
a guy in Seattle chronic back pain for like five years.

Speaker 4 (29:25):
He was so scared to.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Bend his spine because he'd been told by anymous providers
like don't flex your spine, like, don't lift in the exposition,
Like you have to lift with this perfectly neutral spine.
It's like, bro, there's no such thing as a neutral spine.
Like even when you think you're keeping that, there is
some amount of flextion there.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
And that's why your back hurts is you haven't moved
it brow exactly. I think he's supposed to breathe a
little bit.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
I know, And so every time he try and go
back into loading, he'd flare out because he had no
capacity for anything outside of this one curated tension position.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, what do you think about I mean we're talking aboutasically,
paranoia and avoidance whatever.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
The effect of imaging.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, man, that's that's a big one.

Speaker 5 (30:09):
I think I think a lot of like back or
just go with backpains, talking about that it's over medicalized,
you know, like imaging is over prescribed, and I think
it can be really useful right to rule out like
something truly sinister, you know, like a caught out winer,
like something where you're like, Okay, we need some medical
intervention here. But I mean the the prevalence of asymptomatic findings,

(30:31):
like things that would be considered it abnormal on an
MRI xtra is pretty common in people who don't have pain.
Like I bet if you pull up my MRI right now,
find some.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Job, yeah, my disks or floating.

Speaker 5 (30:41):
But the correlation there just just it just isn't there,
you know, And I think it sometimes it can almost
do more harm than good to see that and then
you're like, oh, I'm broken.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
But it's just not the.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Case, especially the back. Everyone's talking about sciatica and everyone's
talking about discs, you know, like every single time when
you're mentioning deadlifting in a low back pain and you
probably know the stat better of me, But it's not
like over the age of forty, like fifty percent of
people are going to have a disc.

Speaker 4 (31:06):
So yeah, it's crazy. Every decade it goes up.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
And I think, but you know, by the time year
later in life, like most people are going to have
something on an X rayer, and like.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
You said, it's probably asymptomatic. Like I know, I know
because I've had imaging and yeah, I like two discs
gone in like my early twenties. Yeah, I just played
hard basketball, and yeah they don't really hurt. Yeah, Like
I do get back pain obviously like every other human
when you dead loot real heavy, but like day to day,
my back feels great.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I know I have two lovebar
discs that are not happy. I have two cervical discs
that are not happy. But that happened before I started powerlifting, right,
this is you know, twenty plus years ago that I
got that imaging, and and yeah I had I had
those problems. But honestly, in the time that I've been powerlifting,

(31:51):
the amount of time that my my lower back has
been any kind of a problem.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Is just just a small frack shit compared to compared
to before.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yeah, just like astonishing difference.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
I mean, you look at Americans and they're literally probably
working on their couch now, which is worse than a
desk because they're working at home, right, Scushyer. They're in
a bad position and they probably average we could look
it up, sob us might even look it up like
the average American steps. I bet you it's below like
three k oh, yeah, I bet yeah. And so like
you wonder again why your back's hurting, Like the only

(32:27):
thing that's ever fixed into my back pain when I
was like really powerlifting was Yeah, like riding my bike
and walking made all my pain go away.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Just getting movement and just getting cute inputs to that.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, you have no blood, no stimulus, no nothing. I'm
sleeping in shit positions. You're sitting in shit positions, Like, yeah,
if you do that eighty percent of your time, it's
probably gonna fucking hurt.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
One thousand.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I don't trust fucking five thousand. Seems like that's entire
shit because I know I'm laziest shit, and I get
about three thousand. If I'm not trying, I'll get three thousand.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
That that actually brings up that this is a side point,
but it's it's worth throwing out there. It really makes
me crazy when I see influencers are not influencers. People
who are supposed to be, you know, like theoretically knowledgeable
or about whatever, saying oh, you don't need cardio.

Speaker 3 (33:14):
It's like, yeah, you fucking do good luck.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
You need cardio. You need cardio because cardio.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Helps your heart healthy. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, I mean that's just getting It's not gonna kill
your gates. That's just getting getting worse because people are
less experienced, you know, they just regurgitate what they hear
on the internet. We're back in the day, like the
first ten fitness YouTubers all like had coaching experience, like
Omar ran a company, like obviously we coached our whole lives,
Like even Scooby. I don't know if you guys remember

(33:44):
shouting up Scooby.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Scooby's popped back up.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, he just went viral, you know, Scooby. It's he's
like now, he's probably maybe sixty, but he's like pretty
fucking jacked. Always had like huge packs and was always shirtless.
For some reason, he kind of looks like Bill Ny,
the siilic guy in the face. He's like, do you
know Scooby. No, Scooby might have been the first, like
before Omar and them. Yeah, I don't know why. His
face always looks like Bill and I the science guy

(34:06):
to me. But he's like jacked and he talks like
really like kind of monotone or really like kind of
like a therapist, like really sweet voice. But all those
guys were like coaches, yea, and so then they you know,
started putting their coaching on the internet. But now it's
just like, yeah, how good looking are you? And then
you you're now a fitness you know, leader in the
fitness area, which doesn't help all these rumors and things.

(34:28):
Yeah your world too, right, Like all these random like
wannabe trainers or whatever showing their five back stretches to
never get injured or something. I'm like, well, I don't
think that's gonna help much.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
The narratives are crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
That's Scooby's Yeah, Scooby is so good.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I don't know why he just resurfaced. I think he
was just talking, like had like a viral clip that
just went crazy. It just looks like said, he looks
a little bit like you said. Yeah, but I think
Scooby's big. I think Scooby's like six to two. Yeah,
Scooby's a tank. I never met him. He's one of
the few OG's I've never met.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah, I never never met him.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I don't think he's like a big expo guy or
anything like most of those guys we made at the
Arnold or something. He hasn't been around. He's kind of
in his own Have you.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Done the expo thing?

Speaker 2 (35:11):
I haven't.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
I do want to go, though, Which one would you
go to if you were gonna go to one?

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Probably go to the Arnold.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, yeah, it is cool and the resurgence is pretty big. Yeah,
I haven't been to the Olympia in a while. I
might try to sneak to it this year. Yeah, Olympia
School it's just closer to us too, But the Arnold
is is it is pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Man is October this year? I think so.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Yeah, it might be a little bit later.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, I think that.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
I actually was looking at it earlier because I thought
about maybe it's been a long time since.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
I've been in the Olympia.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
But the powerlifting is USPA, so yeah, I'm less enthusiastic.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
But yeah, it flops back and forth there. But then
the USAPL I think still has a Arnold. Yeah, and
that's kind of like fading too, Like it's all just
powerlift is fucked, but the body buildings only getting bigger
at the Olympia. I remember last year, like everyone was
actually at the show where when we ran the expos
circuit like the show you pay attention, like you want

(36:03):
to see who won, but like everyone's buying tickets for
the show now, which is crazy. It's just so popular.
Yeah yeah, out of nowhere, not out of nowhere. But
I feel like since COVID, like bodybuilding competitively is more
jet and pop than ever.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
Yeah, I mean you got like Sea bomb and I
think it's looking all these guys just driving it.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, I think it's Sea Bump for sure, because it
got away from it, right, Like the average person can't
even relate to Ronnie Coleman, can't even relate to Phil Heath.
You know, you see Seabumb, You know, Seabumb's not that
far off from like Lebron when he was his most jacked.
You know, he kind of looks like an athlete. You're like,
all right, maybe all you know, like, yeah, Sam's insanely popular,
although not relatable, right, Like he's so jacked for fucking

(36:44):
being twenty or nineteen or where the fuck he is?
That's not blows my mind, Maneah, maybe twenty two, yeah,
probably like twenty twenty one. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, he's
jacked as shit? Or is he? Minnesota or some shit.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah, nowhere nothing else to do.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Jacked as Hell twenty three. Wow, yeah, did you actually
turn pro this year? Yank did? Yeah? I know it
was like some of his first shows because he won,
right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah he's jacked.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
That's just crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
So what what kind of goals you have outside of
outside of work?

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Honestly, man, I'm a meat head at heart. I love lifting.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
I feel like I've just been sampling the buffet for
the last couple of years. Like I got started with
like a bodybuilding show, enjoyed that, dabbled a little bit
and like have marathon marathon powerlifting, and I'm doing some
strong man right now.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
Cool to try it out? Yeah big? Oh actually cringe
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Are you gonna do a strong man competition you think?

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Yeah, I'm one untamed in September.

Speaker 6 (37:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Allen's a good dude, a good friend, super cool guy. Yeaheah.
That's a good place to go too, Yeah, be a
good challenge even Yeah, talk about like popularity things strong Man,
I feel like, like not that popular. It was like
going crazy for a second obviously, Like Game of Thrones
played a little role in it, and like Perfect Tide, right,
like when you have like the Larry Bird versus Magic Johnson, Right,
you have the Thor versus the Brian Shaw, Like it

(38:08):
makes things a little bit more popular. And even this year,
I think what two new faces were on the podium.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, the winner this year first time Yeah, first time competitor.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah. I think there was probably like six guys that've
never competed before the World's Strongest Man that were in
the Yeah, in the competition this year, the guarden a
little bit, yeah, which is like great but not so
great for popularity. Right. You need those like tie ins
and you need those stories, and I feel like powerless
things kind of in that spot too. You know, like
Russ wasn't at IPF World. It's like you just don't

(38:38):
have some of the stories that people need to continue
where like we said, Seabum, what do you have five
six years straight?

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Yeah, it was like every year you can expect to
see his prep and you know.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Plus he's putting out the content to make it popular
and you kind of need that in every area for
any real like motion in that and we're just kind
of missing it. I guess gen fitness is there, but
then again, it's just like people being hot really though,
Like that's what like social media's turn into. They're more

(39:10):
like models than I don't even know what they call
themselves creators. Instagram model was the term people used to
get offended by it, but like that's literally what they
all are.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
That's kind of what it is.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah, Yeah, very limited knowledge.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
When I see somebody pop up in my in my
feed that I do not follow, and they're clearly trying
to be or they are some kind of fitness influencer,
I look at how many, how many, how many subs
they have, and then who did they follow?

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, and that tells you a lot.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, if they know what the hell's going on, Yeah,
it tells you a whole lot. Yeah. I mean, look,
I love hot people too, Like I'm not against it,
but but we snuck over to Alpha Land for a
training session and I hadn't been there in like three
or four years. Shout of Guzman, Like one, he just
upgrades his gym. He's got the twenty gyms now in
one place.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
In sane.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
No, it's insane. I've been like three or four times
almost like every two years, and every year he just
builds more shit. And I's got like beach volleyball, like
three outdoor gyms whatever. But every single person there is hot. Like,
there's not an ugly person in the whole building. It's crazy.
It's literally just hot people walking around and shout out
to them. They really do train there too, because you

(40:19):
think it'd be like the Fitzo spot and they're just
doing bullshit. But people are getting after it. People are
getting after it. Can't be mad at it's.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
That's what we're trying to be here.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
They're just hot. People just start rejecting members that are ugly.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
It's just hot hot only.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, I'm not against it.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Hot screening.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, make it like a club. You got to be
like a seven out of ten to get in here.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
It is a little bit like a club and away
not not like that.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
But it isn't in that, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
It's just we're a small gym and so people do
have to like cooperate.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
With the program.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Yes, socially, yeah, socially, and like you know, we're not
we're not staff twenty four seven, but we're available twenty
four seven. So like hoping and doors and all that
kind of stuff that to you know, turning fans on
and off and all that stuff. People have to and
not leaving their weights everywhere, although that's becoming more of
a problem as we get more members. To be honest

(41:12):
with you, I need to put up the signs that
say please put your fucking weights away.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
You're gonna have to probably interact with folks here a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Excuse me.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I was trying to think of a couple of other
things that you and I talked about. I guess let's
flip it around and say, how what's the best way
for somebody to be coachable by an online coach?

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Yoh, what's the best client?

Speaker 5 (41:41):
Yeah, it's a good question. I mean the kid to
beat a dead horse. Like the communication is key, I think,
you know, being receptive to feedback, Like I'm not just
gonna tear into you, you know.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
When I build you up.

Speaker 5 (41:55):
But yeah, communication, being open and feedback, and I think
you have to because I'm not in the room with you.
Like the importance of like comments on exercise, like completing workout,
sending me videos us doing live sessions over over zoom
or whatnot, that becomes more important just because if you're

(42:16):
flying under the radar and like not sending anything, then
it's like you could be doing anything, and I'll take
no news as good news, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
So yeah, you think everyone's healthy and feeling great or.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Right right, And I think just just being open minded
and being willing to have that long game mindset too.
And I don't think it matters if it's fitness or PT,
like you just need to be geared up to like
put in some work, you know. And I feel like, honestly,
half of my job these days are just undoing all
the other narratives and like quick fixed stuff that people
are hearing.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Mean that's just such society, especially when it gets into
medical like I have a boo boo, I go to doctor,
Doctor gives me band aid or pill, and tomorrow I'm
supposed to feel better, you know. And so like fitness, money,
everything in our brains and our cultures told us that
that's how it works, rather than like you reframe that,
like I'm going to a PT and I should see

(43:10):
them more as like a teacher, like all right, but
I have to learn, so if this teacher can guide me,
but I have to take these steps, you know, schools
like the one where we our culture although our education
systems fucked in many ways too. At least it's kind
of set up that way. You know, it's gonna take
time or the degrees four years, a big boy degrees,
you know, six to eight. Like, you know, I'm gonna

(43:31):
have to do the work and this teacher is gonna
show me how to get there, and when I'm done,
I'll be somewhere. But when it comes to health or fitness,
ten days to get abs, you know, three small tips
to get rid of back pain, and so you're just
expecting me show up, you do job, I do nothing,
and now I'm jacked and my back doesn't hurt, you know,

(43:52):
which is just so backwards because literally, obviously nothing in
the world works that way. Besides like the lottery, and
that's obviously a big chance, but there's no then you
just show up and you just win, and you do
nothing and get results, right like in action has never
caused anything positive in the world, you know, but they
expect it, they expect it.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
It's like this learned has sivin.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
I don't even know if it's a word like passiveness,
you know, like it's just like what can what can
you do for me with the minimal amount off?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah, I hire you fix me.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
You know, people are afraid to do something wrong even
if they don't know, even if there's no way for
them to know that something is wrong. They're like, if
I find out later that I took an approach that
that that I shouldn't have taken, and even though there
was no way I could know, there's like this whole
guilt and shame and and and and self recrimination over

(44:44):
continuing to feel fucked up somehow that happens.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Another thing that I was talking to our friend Jacob
Ross last week about.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
A particular issue that is in my mind right now,
and that's the fact that I see it here all
the time, that that people don't like lift together the
way that I saw, you know years ago.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
You know, people lift kind of as a team, and they.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Keeping their eyes on each other and all this stuff,
and you know, everybody's filming their lifts, but a lot
of the a lot of the time, they want to
be on their own bar so that they can shoot
their own stuff, so they can feed.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
It back to their coach.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
And it seems to me that there's there's still something
to be gained by lifting around people who were experienced
lifters and getting their feedback as well. It's just this
is just pet peep from I'm going. I'm working through
it right now, I guess the best way to say it.

Speaker 5 (45:42):
No, I think I feel like, especially since COVID, there's
just been like the people are just more isolated with
their lifting in general too. But I think there is
something about just like the community and camaraderie and like
getting feedback from other people that that's huge. I was
in Austin this past weekend for the Coaching Up conference
and it was just like there was.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
A podcast guys, Oh dope, yeah, super cool, dude. Yeah
they look cool. I never met them. Are they based
out of Collective though they were?

Speaker 4 (46:07):
They're out of C four now.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
I don't know, cause I don't know Collective either, but
I know the guy shout out the Hills, the guy
who started Collective, he used to be an on it. Yeah,
and I've known him for a while. How cool. But
Austin's become such a fitness hub, dude.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
It was crazy. There was a there was like an
open gym one morning and it was like, I mean,
the the place is nice.

Speaker 5 (46:28):
It's not like a massive gem though, and so it
was like hundred one hundred and fifty coaches just like
all crammed in one space and it was like, I mean,
it was just insane. Yeah, but like that that like
energy and like getting feedback from people who I'm like,
most of these people probably know so much more than me. Yeah,
but just a you know, even if they didn't though,
they're just like getting that. They're not being like feedback exactly.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Yeah that's all I got.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, Yeah, the community things huge. I don't have any answers,
but I think there's some magic there that's being missed
and some of it might be Again, maybe I'm just
a hater, but I think it's a lot of people
just like didn't grow up playing sports because you're just
not like used to that stuff. Like even again, like
relying on my recent experiences, like when I got a
chance to get the whole team together, like we got
the tech guy, we got the operations guy, and I

(47:12):
just got them all in the gym together and like
probably our best workout yet because I got six dudes
that work together. They literally live together basically twenty four
to seven, three sixty five, and you get them all
working out together, you know, it just changes, it changes
the whole vibe. Like talk about team building and all that.
There's a reason why football teams train together, you know,
there's a reason why basketball teams trained together. And although

(47:33):
powerlifting is in individual sport, there's just no way you
don't get better with more like minded around you. And
obviously if you're a member here, like you get like
twenty percent of that being in the building, but you
can literally take advantage of one hundred percent of that
by just saying, like, Yo, you want to work in Yeah,
you know, like you're just gonna get so much more
of it being subots. Try to do it as much
as we can when I'm here, and I tell that

(47:55):
around the world, Like when we first opened the gym,
I told all our employees, like, yo, I'm training at
noon every day like me, you know, and as much
as me and Kyle still training together as much as
we can. And so I've also one conditioning piece for
sure a week when I'm in town. Yeah, I think
there's magic there for like not only your health, motivation, accountability.
Right when I'm tired, Sabot's gonna force me to show

(48:15):
up yea and vice versa. But then just how hard
you work too, Like you don't have to be crazy competitive,
but something's gonna come out of you when you see
someone next to you like giving up or going harder,
and you want to give up. And I think that's
the main piece that maybe America and commercial gyms are
missing totally.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Yeah, I thought I was saying last week.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
I don't think that there's anybody out there who couldn't
benefit from lifting in a group at least some of
the time and.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Having all the extra eyes on them.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Yeah. I think it's the rare outlier that can really
be in their garage and be the best lift of
all time. You know, there's the mic to share. Yeah,
but if he had a choice, like you, probably would
want to be around a bunch of dope people. But
you know, he was in the Air Force. He moved
to Italy for five years. You know, I think he
has kids, like obviously as other or even bart like
bar it's got kids and he's busy. But whenever I'm

(49:02):
in town, he's trying to get me there at five
am to train with him in his backyard gym.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
You know, you don't like anybody enough to train with
him at five am, But that's me.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I told him in the summer, I can do, but
like winners in Vegas are cold, it's not Yeah, I
can't do I can't train outside the ice. Yeah, it
was too much.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
I think we're seeing a little bit with like the
resurgence of these run clubs. Yeah, I do like it,
which is cool all over current And honestly, you guys
have done a good job with that with having like
the community lifts after too, which I think is dope.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, I think it's huge. I just I just know
it's you're more likely to enjoy the Pain's like, no
one wants to deadlift once a week for the next
ten years, you know, like it's not that fun in
the moment, but if you have homies around or other
people trying to enjoy it and make you better. And again,
I grew up in teams sports, so it's just what
I'm used to. But like, it just makes everything so

(49:50):
much more fun and easier and you're gonna end up
working harder. So I think the more of that, and
that's why CrossFit was so successful despite a lot of
its flaws for so long. And you used to go
to across the gym and everyone was in pretty good shape,
you know, like that, you know, like, yeah, were they
the strongest. No, maybe not, And you know, again they
had other flaws with injuries and coaching quality or whatever,

(50:11):
but generally everyone's like getting better. Yeah, you know. And
you go to a commercial gym and everyone's been there,
and you see the same dude there for seven years
and he literally hasn't changed, you know, and so like
he's doing the same three sets of five on curls
and yapping in between sets, and that's it. So the
more you can find yourself around folks do it.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
And it's I know, I don't think it's impossible to
develop community in a commercial gym, but as possible, Yeah,
but it's a whole lot easier in a smaller place
like this, where you recognize everybody, you know, at least
most everybody.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Yeah, while we get walk.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Through and don't recognize somebody at all, it's either they're
a new member or they're just training at the time
of day that I'm normally not here.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
What's uh, maybe finished off with more education thing, what's
like the most common problem you're dealing with when you're
talking to like powerlifters, bodybuilders. I know you can't give
like an easy fix for it, but like, yeah, what's
the most common thing you see that's maybe a little
bit of dysfunction or repetition or something causing pains.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, it's a great question. Maybe two things.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
One I think is is I like to break stuff
down just like the balance between stress and capacity, Like
is the amount of capacity that your body has right now?
Are you consistently exceeding that with the stress you're placing
on it both in and outside of the gym. The
other piece I think is what I call it like
the gap in the gap in function, So for like
powerlifters and body but it's just really like what are

(51:38):
you not training that you're still doing in daily life,
Like maybe for powerlifters it's like unilateral training or like
plios or something like all you're doing is like powerlifting,
and then you're going out and like I don't know,
snowboarding like crazy or something, and you're not like bridging
that gap in the qualities of your tissues, and you know,
maybe you're setting yourself up for something bad to happen there.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I think both of those are huge because like I'm
a big fan of like Eastern Bloc powerlifting type shit
and weightlifting that's kind of like where I use a
lot of my methodologies, and I'm just a big fan
of like learning from the past, you know, which seemed
to not be as common anymore. But like every single
weightlifter and powerlifter there is like warming up with plios,

(52:20):
then they're getting into their speed work, then they're getting
in the strength work, and then you know, maybe conditioning
or whatever, depending on what they're doing. The other point
you brought up a like capacity and whatever, I think
is a huge topic that it's kind of like a
hard realization for people because powerlifting and bodybuilding is like
a sport for everyone, right, anyone can hop in and
which is beautiful, yeah, but like not everyone's an athlete, right,

(52:41):
So like you can't like handle the volume Lebron James
is doing that. Dude's working out two hours in the morning,
then basketball two hours, then a game at night. And
you're not a good athlete, So like you're not going
to deadlift six fifty, you know, so you probably can't
be doing the exact amount of volume the same like
you don't move your body well or your body can't
handle it. But a lot of online coaches or whatever

(53:04):
coaches are feeding you the same program or the same
volume everyone else is doing and yeah, you're probably not
gonna end well. Yeah. Or if you're a construction worker,
you're you know, getting capacity. If you're working another job,
even as a teacher, and you're just stomping around campus
all day and you're getting twenty thousand steps and you're
trying to deadlift you know, a five y five or
whatever the crap, ye're probably not gonna end well. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
It's like it's usually like you're either you're doing too
much too soon and you're like underprepared for the demands,
or like the construction worker example, like you're doing so
much that you're recovering.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
The recovery is.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
Just not there, you know, like you you hit a
certain point where it's like your your cup's spilling over,
you know, the coffee cup is how much you can
how much stress you can recover from it, and.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
You're not sleep and you're not eating, let alone. The
genetic part, which is you know something people again don't
want to talk about, but like genetics rule all man,
Like you're not gonna out work it, you're not gonna
out smart think it. Like sometimes you're just not made
to deadlifting and under bro like you're still deadlift, you
still get better. Yeah, but you're just not going to
be on the level of what you're watching on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Plug away bro. Where can people find you your services? Yeah?
Mine in person?

Speaker 5 (54:11):
Whatever you got, Yeah, I'm on uh on Instagram at
ptpat Bell.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
If you want to work with me online?

Speaker 5 (54:17):
Where Move your BONESPT dot com. And then I also
do a little bit in person and I'm My company
is iron Bloom Physical Therapy.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Cool just iron BLOMPT dot com.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Easy, soel them mich where you all want to find me?
New episodes Wednesday which you got subas Sebastian Underscore brand
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Speaker 3 (54:43):
On the Obscure Celebrity Network. And we'll talk to you
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Speaker 4 (54:49):
Yeah, thanks guys, that's a good time.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Appreciate you.

Speaker 6 (54:53):
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mm hmm.