March 1, 2024 • 44 mins
It's not all resume talk and career quests— we dive into the internet sensation that is Reesa Teesa; a story of trust, deception, and the sheer lengths people go to keep up a lie. Imagine a web so tangled that spiders are taking notes.
We also toast to a friend's heartwarming engagement, proving that the good stuff is still out there. And because life is about balance, we'll whisk you away to our serene escape to the Blue Ridge Mountains, a testament to the enduring power of friendship.
We conclude with a spotlight on Dr. Raquel Dailey at Growth Compass and Best Life Abroad.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I'm going to go ahead and say hello to my friends.
Hello folks, Welcome back toeight people in the group chat.
I am your host, Yola Gilliam.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, I am your girl, Lene Johnson, or Lene, if you
ask theory for some of myfriends, or a new one, jenny.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Where did Jenny come from?
I?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
mean, I was about to ask that Chick-fil-A.
I was at Chick-fil-A and theysaid she said it's Lene.
She said did you say Jenny?
I'm like, oh Jenny, now that'sa new one, so I guess you could
call me Jenny too.
You know, hey, but welcomepeople, jenny, from the block.
What's up?
(00:43):
Well, you know we're back.
We've been gone for a while andlife has just been like this.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We've not been gone from them for a while.
They're not going to notice adifference.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, we have been gone from each other for a while
because, as we say in the intro, life be life.
And it's just been life, and soyou know what's going on in
your world.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, as we talked about life and life and I got a
new job, so I have been doingall the fun intro stuff in
orientation and starting myonboarding and I am just back
from a trip to headquarters andI probably sound tired because I
am, but I am happy and thriving.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So congratulations, thank you.
First of all, congratulationson the job.
Thank you, that is major.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah.
What role will you be doing atyour new job?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It is putting some passions and some education
together and being able tosupport the work of some folks
doing really good work in thecommunity.
So I could that, oh, that'sgood, that's really good.
I can't say so.
How have you been?
I've missed you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I missed you too, friend.
Um, craziness, I've had COVID,I've had family in town, I've
had Airbnb guest and you knowjust a lot of moving parts.
And when I tell you COVID wasCOVID-y, let me just say that it
(02:18):
was just, it was crazy, but Ifeel much better.
Thank you, I feel much better.
Had an interview yesterday witha company and I guess it went
well.
You just don't think Iinterview well.
I don't.
I get very nervous and for methis is going to sound crazy to
(02:42):
you and probably some of thepeople that are listening who
actually know me it's hard toreally tell about myself to
employers.
It's very hard.
I might get very coy for somereason and I get very nervous,
go figure, and um, I just don'tthink that it went well.
(03:03):
But you know, I talked to mysister-in-law, who is in
recruiting, and I was tellingher, sharing to her what the
recruiter said to me, andbecause she had said you know
what, you'll hear back from meon Monday.
You know, if you don't, it'snot because I don't want to talk
to you, it's just because Ijust you know I'm busy.
(03:23):
You definitely can reach out tome via phone text not text me,
but email me or LinkedIn.
So she was like that definitelysounds positive, because if she
didn't want you, she just saidwe'll send you an email.
So, yeah, I just I don't think,I don't think that I'm a, you
know, a good interviewer, butyou know, yeah, it might have
gone well, so hopefully I'll getit.
(03:45):
I've been looking for jobs, andlooking for jobs that's a thing
that kind of I don't know.
I know I'm super qualified,yeah, and I, you know, it's like
you constantly get these emailsoh, we've pivoted into another
direction, oh we've gone withsomeone else and I'm like, no,
(04:06):
no, I know how to do the job,probably better than them, but
maybe that's why I'm not gettingthe job.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't know who knows, but well, I'll just say I
think, too like people, it'slike the hiring managers will
decide for people oh, she's gotthese qualifications, she's too
qualified, or if she, she hasdone all this, so if she comes
here she won't stay.
So they're making decisions foryou and your life, which is not
okay.
They don't know your life, sothey should not determine if
(04:35):
you've got the minimumqualifications they asked for.
It shouldn't be that difficult,but I know your struggles, as
we talked about on anotherepisode I had been looking for
for a bit now and I think that,as it comes to interviewing,
there's some tools and some, youknow, coaching we could do, but
I don't know, if you're like me, where it's just also been a.
(04:56):
It was a long time since I hadto interview for a job, like a
decade since I've interviewedfor a job, yeah, and so things
have definitely changed in thatarena.
It has.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It really has.
I just think that it's verystressful for me.
I can only speak for me, but Ithink that it's very stressful
because to me, that is a job initself.
When you're looking for a job,so you have a job.
That's how fruit is exist,right?
So you're now part time job.
Your second job is actually tolook for a job.
(05:30):
If you're trying to get into,you know another career or
looking for another job.
I think it's so stressful.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Interviewing is so stressful, do you find?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
it to be stressful.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I find it very stressful and I am one of those
people who enjoy the other side,like doing interviewing and the
hiring process and all that.
I get my kicks that way.
But being the candidate is verystressful because you have no
idea.
It should be as simple as do Imeet the minimum qualifications?
(06:03):
Do you want to talk more aboutmy experience?
If it makes sense, if I'm aculture add to your organization
, we can move forward.
But between that the fact thatfolks don't do hiring well which
is why I do prefer to work witha recruiter sometimes and the
fact that so many people arelooking for work right now and
(06:23):
it's hard to even make it pastthe applicant tracking system If
you don't have all the rightkeywords in your you know resume
or CV, it's tough.
It can be disheartening and Iknow people I was.
We've talked about this.
I've been discouraged in my jobsearch.
Now it worked out and this isprobably best that I did not get
(06:44):
those other positions, but thatdoesn't mean I was not
discouraged from time to time,like you can only get so much
rejection before you're likeokay, so it must be me yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, exactly, and that's the point that I'm going
to go through now.
But you know, I haven't reallyreally truly had a true
interview.
I guess maybe 2019, and that tome, really wasn't an interview,
because when I went in, it'slike we talked about everything
(07:18):
and the job, so it's almost likea conversation.
Yes, and because I was comingin as a referral, but still, you
know, she would tell me whatshe was doing and I was like,
you know, I'm not going to tellyou when I first walked in, it
was almost like I was chattingwith a girlfriend and we had
been knowing each other foryears and she told me about her
(07:41):
life and my life and thenfinally, probably about an hour
later, we started talking aboutthe job and it wasn't anything.
You know, tell me about a timewhen it was more so.
Well, let me tell you what thisjob entails.
I know you've been doing thisfor what the system we use in
XYZ.
So that was probably the lastquote unquote interview that I
(08:03):
had.
But it's tough out hereinterviewing man, especially
when they tell me tell me abouta time when, or tell me about
yourself, and it's like, oh my,in the pit of my stomach.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Standard interview questions.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I know it is but I don't know, I just get, so I
don't I get again.
We are our own worst enemy andI think obviously I get in my
own way.
And in my mother she's she's agood interview or she said it's
just so easy, just tell me abouta time.
And then a lot of people say,well, just lie.
Obviously do not not just lie,but I mean they just say, if you
(08:41):
have a situation, just you canmake up situations like it
shouldn't be that hard and Iknow I just get in my own way.
But you know, when I say lie,don't lie.
But yeah, so that's where Ihave been friend and we're
looking.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
The other day sorry, I was, I can't remember, we were
Eric and I were readingsomething about in some county
here in North Carolina where thecity finance manager, I guess,
had embellished I won't say alot, embellished their resume
(09:21):
and after like three or fouryears, I guess, folks found out
that they did not have theskills that they claimed to have
.
Now, mind you, they said, likeyou know, no money was missing,
everything was in order.
But I guess something else cameup and they were not able to
kind of use the skills they saidthey had and some.
So then it kind of came out.
(09:42):
So even if you do last a bit,if you embellish, you will
likely at that point, unless youare literally studying to show
yourself approved while youlying and you can be ready by
the time you got approved of it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Otherwise, exactly, I always say that now, if you're
going to, you know it's a fineline between embellishing.
I mean, like you said, ifyou're going to embellish, make
sure you know at least the gistof the job.
So really when you step in youcan just okay, let me just kind
of Google this and boom, youknow.
But if you're coming in onsomething totally different and
(10:17):
you've never done that role, Iwould say you probably don't
want to do that because it'sdefinitely going to catch up to
you, although it always doeswhen you embellish anything.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But your life, you'll find out and it will.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It will, but obviously, oh my God.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's what we think, so we always talk about the
internet.
I'm sorry, but that's how weprobably go and talk about it.
When I was like your lies willbe found out.
But, girl, did you watch our50,?
What 52 bars 52 bars.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And here's the funny thing we don't even need to say
the name because we don't.
We don't need to talk about you.
Know what we're talking aboutwhen I tell you um, you go first
tell me your thoughts, let'sjust bounce off of each other.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Well, my initial thoughts, and so I guess I
finished this Like the 21st ofFebruary, okay.
And so I was minding my ownbusiness, and then our group
chat somebody mentioned it, andI was like I'm not watching that
(11:25):
, I'm not going to watch all,I'm not going to be swiping on,
you know, on the Tik Tok, I'mnot doing all that.
And then one of our friends waslike they put it on YouTube.
So it's.
You know, continuous yes, girl.
So you could just listen.
You know, keep swiping.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
You can just listen, listen, listen, yes.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I put it on in the background.
I didn't clean my bedroom andmy bathroom and put dishes,
Watch clothes and all the thingswhile listening to this.
Yeah, and I'm like every fewminutes I'm like, oh my God, I
was like this thing.
I was so stressed listening tothis.
My back was hurting Me too.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And I was like, well, at that point I was like Lord,
who is the toy let's talk about?
Like dude, the fake phone calls, Like that's a lot of energy to
put into a lie where you areliterally faking phone calls and
pretending to be other peopleon the phone.
I'm like, is it good withvoices?
(12:29):
Like how does she not like somany questions?
Like so, before we get to wherewe are now with that, what were
your initial thoughts?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, okay.
So I want to tell you exactlywhat I was doing when I first
listened to it.
It was early, early one morning.
It had to be around like seven.
I don't usually wake up thatearly, but saw it in the group
chat.
I said let me just lay herewhile I'm trying to get myself
(13:02):
together for the day and listento it.
And girl, when she started andshe said about the flat tire, I
said Jesus Christ, this is goingto be a doozy here.
And it just kept going andgoing and he showed up and I was
like, oh, he seems nice, he'scoming and meeting her and
(13:26):
helping her get the flat tire.
And then it just took a turnand I was hook line and sinker.
I mean I couldn't even.
I probably listened tothroughout the day the whole.
I think it was like through 33,one through 33 or 32.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Like five hours.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I was so hooked.
It's like, like you said, I wascleaning, I was washing clothes
.
My mouth is still open and Ifinished it.
I think I finished it Saturdayor Sunday.
Yeah, it took me about two daysto finish it.
But, girl, I mean the lies thatyou have.
(14:07):
First of all, I believe her.
Yes, number one.
Yeah, she was so detailed andjust the length that you have to
go through to think about lieslike that.
Like you said, having the fakephone cause, and you know, a lot
of times when we're on thephone with someone our volume is
turned all the way up so youcan kind of hear.
(14:28):
You may not hear exactly whatthe other person on the phone is
saying, but you can kind ofhear faintly, someone on the
phone.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, that's the thing, no, so a lot of people I
know like if people always gotan earbud in, you won't
necessarily, true, be able tohear.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
actually I'm not one of those people who keep my
volume up.
I'm very private person, so I'mlike I also don't use my phone
on speaker phone list.
I am literally alone and not Idon't mean like behind the
closed door and the buildingwhere other people are.
I'm like I'm at the house bymyself.
So he could have had ways thathe had the earbud.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I didn't even think about the earbud, you're
right.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
But how like, how much of I don't want to call
them to people names, but thatis a bit much Like.
Why are you so involved in thisplay that you are having fake
phone calls Like you don't haveto have it, you don't have to be
(15:32):
like someone says that hey, oh,she said, hey, oh, she right,
like what the?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
heck.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Like, yeah, that was.
I can't stand an unnecessarylie.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, that was wild.
And me and Ariel my cousin wasyesterday were talking about you
, remember she's, she had hadthe miscarriage, and spoiler
alert people.
I mean you should have listenedto it by now.
So, if you have it, I'm sorryshe had had the miscarriage.
(16:03):
You remember was getting readyto have the procedure done and
I'm in the hospital.
And remember he said, well, Ican just, you know, call my
sister to come with you.
And she was like no, I mean Idon't know her.
My thing is, at the end youfound that he never had a sister
.
So me and Ariel were talkingabout it yesterday, like was he
going to get to take her to thehospital?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
if no woman.
That woman that was his friend,she, she mentions that at the
end like that person did exist,she just was not his sister.
So a person existed, but itwasn't his, she wasn't his
sister.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
OK, so, ok.
So if that's the case, thenright, let's say she did say OK,
I'll have her take me.
You don't think that she wouldhave asked her questions and the
lies would have come out likeit could have gone, so left at
that point.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yes, but it also the his thing he was.
He's counting on, like if you,if somebody says I want you to
meet my sister, I'll send mysister, and then your sister
gets you're not going to be, areyou so?
And so, sister, you're going tobe like are you name?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah it matches the name that he said.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And so, especially if she just had that procedure,
she wouldn't have been likechatty.
But let's take it one stepfurther.
So he didn't actually have thatfreaking job.
This is why he couldn't answer.
He had a job assistant.
He didn't have an assistantLike why?
Like just say, well, I wouldhave been pissed.
(17:36):
He was, he had a job at thatlevel and couldn't just come
with me because he was usuallyin the job.
He was claiming to have havesome level of flexibility.
I think he like invented a fakeclient meeting or something I
can't recall exactly, and thenpretended to be the assistant.
Like all that was unnecessary.
You didn't need to pretend tobe the assistant, you could have
(17:57):
just been like hey, I steppedout of the meeting to check on
you, or a, b, like what thefreak Like this is.
This makes.
This is when it gets scary.
It was already like crazy andlike entertaining, but this like
to find out this, like thatnone of these people existed, or
(18:18):
all these relationships.
And he was Like saying thatpeople were dying, dying To a
point like she was like I don'tplay with death, so why would
you think that somebody, anynormal person, would be like so
on.
So died by grandma died.
This person died that ladies.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
child died, the door died.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Why would you say somebody's child died when they
did not in fact die?
And if your grandma alreadydied, why did you need to die
now?
Like, what sympathies do youthink you're going to get If I'm
already in a full fledgedrelationship with you?
Like you don't, are you tryingto like?
What's the point of just sayingrandom people died?
Yeah, I mean unnecessary lies,sorry, I'm very excited about
(19:02):
this.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I'm no, I mean I feel you, I mean I was to, still am,
um, and then what got me wasthe house, the source of funds,
um, now you're going to pullyourself off the internet.
And here's the here's the funnypart, because you know, I'm in
(19:23):
mortgages.
People been frightened for along time.
I mean, people can legit makeup W two's, legit make up bank
statements, so I could see howhe had done that.
But the fact that he is justpulling up screenshots from the
(19:44):
website and people.
And here's the thing, what Igot from it is that people want
to be loved so bad that they arewilling to forego the layer.
As she said, United Nations ofred flags and Cybar area was
(20:09):
telling me yesterday that she'sgoing to come out with shirts
and one of them is UnitedNations of red flags and proof
of funds.
I said I have to have one ofthose shirts, but anyway I
digress.
But that people want to beloved or in love so bad that
they are willing to overlookmajor red flags just to be in
love.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I mean, that's just to be in love too.
So I could say there are somered flags that she willing, that
she will tell you that sheignore, like she is very upfront
and honest about this.
But I also think, like somethings is also you just be like,
why would a person lie aboutthat?
Like you, because you are aperson with integrity, you would
(20:52):
never, never, cross your mindthat somebody would lie about
certain things and the lies bethat involved.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know you're thinking that he's
put earners money down on thehouse and the agent is saying
wait, really, Because I didn'tknow anything about that, let me
, let me see no, I haven't.
And then you go to look on mysomething in your gut is telling
(21:21):
you, your intuition is tellingyou just go online and it says
that it's under contract, right,right, I mean.
And to know that this person isnow in your house.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So it's like I can't even I think the problem there
are so many problems, so manypart of it is that initially he
also had answers for everythingwhen she was like, yeah, I found
this, can you explain this, canyou explain this, and so I
(22:00):
think that kept her in it long,because he always had what
seemed to be a suitable answerfor the question or concern she
had.
It wasn't until you know youfolks, they always.
You can only go so long beforefolks are getting argumentative
and defensive, of course, aboutthey like because now they're
(22:20):
running out of lives.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Exactly Because, see, when you lie, you have to
remember that lie and then youhave to tell another lie to
cover that lie and tell anotherlie, and it took to Until Tiring
, like I don't even understandit is.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I feel like physically my body wouldn't even
allow for all that Like.
That tires me, the thought ofit.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
That's why and I totally agree with you.
Like who would lie about that?
Like who would lie about, ok,he has an offshore account.
Like from what I see, the basicthat he presented appears that
this is his account.
Like, why would I even question, I make question now, why do
(23:04):
you have an offshore account?
But the man says he has anoffshore account, he has an
offshore account, why would hebe lying about that Me?
And then just oh my, it wasjust oh my.
And then, and he having thephone finding out he's sleeping
with a prostitute, whatever, hisknee is so bad, because when he
(23:28):
is he's not.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
He will use OK, six worker.
I mean, you know, and findingthe phone, and then you are
drinking what Gatorade andyou're peeing in the great
Gatorade bottles.
You can't get it from your knee.
And what I thought about is,when he said the sex worker, I
(23:52):
thought the reason what for hisknee is.
When she started saying that hehad a STD or STI, that's what I
thought, because I'm like whyis it?
If your knee is hurting thisbad, why aren't you getting up
and going to the doctor?
Because it was not.
You can go to the hospital.
I don't know.
We get, let's talk, let's talk,let's talk, let's touch on that
.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
On that flag foot, I mean not flag but arena ball
ball, and I know a couple ofpeople who played arena ball.
So that is a real thing, we allknow.
No, it is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But do you, do you read when champion champs?
I mean, do you get paid?
Yeah, do you OK, because it's ajob?
Yeah, ok, but not big buckslike NFL, right?
Oh, it's OK.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
OK, but like and that's the thing I guess you can
say, I played arena ball,because most people don't, even
if they know somebody who playedarena ball, they might not know
.
They know somebody who playedarena ball, right.
But you also can't be like Iwas in the NFL, because that's
probably more easily verified.
Oh yeah, you can pull thatright up.
It didn't be like he was astarter or whatever you call it,
(24:57):
but definitely he could have.
But again, unnecessary lies,like you didn't have to say you
played arena football.
You could have literally beenlike I hurt my knee in a game
with pickup basketball with myboys and she would have been
like oh OK.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
But the fact that he went from a three X to a medium.
Something is going on and I'mnot talking about just missing a
few meals.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Like you know, I dropped that much weight, the
lack of eating at him, I decided, mm, hmm, mm, hmm, I mean, you
will get your comeuppance.
And it's not like that was,that was his.
When you're BMW you not movefrom the bed and you are.
It's almost like all this waseating away at him.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, it took a toll on him physically.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And I'm assuming, based on the job, we then
learned that he did have.
He may have hurt his knee inthat capacity, mm, hmm, yeah,
which means he then didn't have,he couldn't work.
And so All this in the stressof all like, think, probably
feeling and thinking he might besoon found out.
(26:13):
That's true.
And what about Go ahead?
No, I was going to ask aboutthe college thing.
No, go ahead.
When he talked about you know,she verified that he did not in
fact attend the.
Oh no, I was a private, my dadcitizen, private citizen, is
that any other like?
(26:34):
And she knew these things didnot add up.
I mean, this was you know, shewas at this point With her wit's
in yeah, like I'm like thatagain, you did not have to say
you like, this is a veryelaborate and most of these
things you can find out like theobituary about when his
grandmother passed away.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say with the
not being enrolled, or didn'tgo to San Diego, the school, the
college and the university inSan Diego.
I'm like Jude, do youunderstand?
I can this is not a lie but Ihave the dig, dig, dig and can't
find the answer.
I legit can find this out, andyou didn't go.
(27:15):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now I'll be honest, I Outside of like employment
verification.
I am wondering why they werejust so willing to tell her that
, and I have worked in a longtime engagement and I know
people in the registrar's officeand so I Find it interesting
that they were so free with someinformation and it wasn't like
(27:42):
an official like employmentverification or you know
verification verifying hisdegree.
For some legitimate reasonother than this man might lie to
me.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I so recently.
I don't know if you've seenLatoya.
My questions about who isLatoya have been answered yes,
yes, so she's a real person.
She's a real person and itseems like everybody, and that
second wife Kind of like,confirmed several of the things
(28:22):
that were shared.
And then, if it is, in fact, ifshe did talk to his family
members, like she said, ain'tnobody fooling with him, which
is and she made a point.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
She said what the sad thing about it is.
Oh, and let me say this it hascome out that his brother well,
his brother, not the brotherthis particular legion, mm, hmm,
um, just suffer from bipolarand schizophrenia.
So the brother confirmed that,so, which made a lot of sense.
(28:55):
Now, it makes sense because hetook on, I guess, the
personality of his twin.
You know the twin, you know hewas.
They were kind of going intothat.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But the crazy thing I believe for me, with all the DS
, DSM stuff there's some other.
I'm assuming there's probably anumber of other diagnosis to
like he.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah Well, apparently this has been known since he
was younger, and the brothersaid that his father came out of
retirement to help the sonbecause there were issues there,
mental issues, yeah, so, um, soI want to say that before I say
this.
So, but what she said was whatwas when she stopped to think
(29:39):
about it.
How sad that to know thateverybody that is in your life
who she has come in contact withwants nothing to do with him.
I mean you have got to be athat is very sad when, when
people don't even bring his nameup to me, don't even bring I,
don't talk to him, he better notcall me sad that everybody who
(30:01):
knows you doesn't want to foolwith you.
I mean, obviously, over thecourse of time he has lies.
So I mean I totally, Itypically totally get it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
But to know that life changing things that disrupt
your life it's not just, likeyou know, I got a new job or I
got a new car and you are thenexaggerating the job, stuff that
put people's lives in danger.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Exactly.
And then you know, having hergo test drive cars, I mean just
setting her and like she said, I, she said I feel like he liked
the excitement of seeing me.
He got something out of seeingme, excited, you know, unhappy,
knowing that it was never goingto happen.
I mean how you go and let thisgirl test drive cars, thinking
(30:51):
that she's going?
What do you want?
No, I think you should get aBMW.
Oh, no, I don't think youshould get a BMW.
And knowing that that was nevergoing to happen, I mean it just
wishes, mind blowing that eachpart that she would tell.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like that and again with his.
With the car situation he had afake company car and had a fake
phone call about going to seehis office and why he was
driving his car and not thecompany car, and how he drove it
back to like it's.
My mind was blown Mine too, andI know a lot of people like why
would you tell all this?
(31:30):
To keep it from happening tosomebody else?
Absolutely, and she could havethem out and then he'd be back
on the dating scene with someoneelse, because, look, she was
apparently what?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
the third, the third wife, right, because there was
someone before the previous wifethat she went to go to talk to.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
So there was Latoya, then the second wife that she
talked to on the phone, whosechild he had said passed away,
passed away.
It was untrue.
And then her that we know of.
But I'm sure there have beensome other relationships that
people probably caught wind alittle quicker.
But and that's probably becausehe got put in a situation he
couldn't get in.
(32:08):
And I'm speculating, folks, Iknow I'm speculating, but yeah,
he's responded.
I am just full transparency.
I have paid no attention to hisresponses.
I don't care about him, believenothing.
He says no, sorry to that man,as Kiki Palmer would say, but
yeah, I don't believe anything.
I don't believe anything he hasto say.
(32:31):
So I have not used my precioustime to watch anything he's had
to say in response to this.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I did watch one of them because I did.
I was curious about what wouldhe look like.
I want to see what he lookedlike, but yeah, but I could give
two cents about what he has tosay in his rebuttal.
I don't want to care.
I don't care to hear anythingthat you have to say, because
you're a liar and you'reeverything that you're saying.
Now you're probably lying.
I believe everything that shesaid and, yes, of course she was
(33:04):
putting it out to help otherpeople so they won't fall for
him or fall because people have.
Let's be clear, maybe noteveryone has experienced it to
that degree, but at some point alot of women have experienced
that.
Yeah, and from what I hear, myfriend in Atlanta, she was
(33:26):
telling me how there's a termwhich I didn't know.
She schooled me on this.
It's called oh God, what's thename of it?
Jesus, it was just on the tipof my tongue when you tried to
swoop in on a woman.
You probably know the name ofit.
You know how a man tries todate a woman and then move in.
Oh, I got no where to live.
(33:47):
Oh God, it's called.
It was just on the tip of mytongue, I forgot, but men do
that yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And do that.
They will Put it in thecomments.
If you know what it is, yes,please.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
But it's when you, a man, you start dating a girl and
you really don't like her.
But you know, so what?
You start dating her and thenyou put it on really thick to
make it seem like you love her,like no, it's, I'll get the name
Just for housing, like you'redoing all this.
Yeah, so he so let's say he'sliving out of his car or he's
(34:24):
living out of his storage and hefinds a girl to date.
Her, and you know, says sweetnothings and moves in on what
it's called but we're going tofind out.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
But isn't that crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I mean, there are people out here who pray on
women.
Pray on people, but pray onwomen.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
People are filled with the worst part about I want
to go back to Legion for asecond and all the rebuttals, hi
, go ahead.
Oh, so just saying the worstpart is because he's a woman.
The worst part is because he islike so much he actually some
of his pieces could be true andnobody would ever believe him,
because he has establishedhimself as a liar to almost
(35:07):
everybody who knows him.
So this is nobody's ever goingto believe anything he says at
this point.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And that's really sad because he could actually be
telling the truth and no one'sgoing to believe you because
you're you're lying.
But yes, latoya has been.
Now what has Latoya said?
Because I haven't followed upon that story.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
She basically says she exists and a lot of the
stuff that Reese Tezos said istrue.
She had either not like theexact same, but similar
experiences in that she don'tdoubt what Reese Tezos says is
true and happened to her, andthen his family called him.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's why I found the name is hobo sexual.
H O B O sexual, and it's aperson who jumps into
relationships to have a place tolive.
Hobo sexual.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I guess people have gone to prison to have a place
to live.
So it takes all kinds.
Yeah, it does.
So you know you have to reallydo, but I guess they want
somebody to pay the bills, Ofcourse.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Of course.
But I mean, the thing is, youhave to be, and I understand why
people are on high alert whenit comes to dating because you
don't know.
No, you think this person isbeing genuine and they're just
being selfish out for themselvesbeing a hobo sexual.
Well, I just want a place tolive.
So I mean, you know it's wildout here, it is wild out here,
(36:32):
but did you hear that?
You know she's not Ummonetizing off of it?
Well, good, because of whathappened, I guess, when she
uploaded the videos, it wasn'tuploaded correctly.
Oh and um.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I thought that choice but she cannot is what you're
saying.
No, she cannot.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And then I think she was off.
They kicked her off her lifethat she could upload for 30
days Now during this time Ithink she can't remember how
many videos she had put out.
But people are now monetizingoff of her.
You know, social media was upin a horse and tick tock paid
this woman.
So I think they are going topay her, but I think, as of
today, she still hasn't receiveda check from them.
(37:11):
But people all around the worldare listening and excited for
her Cause.
You know, one of the thingsthat she wanted to do was go to
London.
Uh-huh, I think it was.
I won't even specifically sayLondon, I'll say Europe and um,
I saw clips on TikTok wherepeople are so excited like you
know how you'll have like a um,you'll pass by stores and
(37:35):
they'll have sort of like a iPad, that just kind of like you
know, you see what's going on inthe store, yeah, and they have
her reels in London or in youroh, that is gracious.
So people can see and they'relike, oh, we're so excited that
she's coming to visit.
So I guess, a few places thatshe's been wanting to go now she
gets a chance to.
So I'm happy for her.
I'm happy she's able tosomewhat monetize off of it, at
(37:58):
least get to travel and seedifferent places that she wanted
to.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
If you've gone through all that, maybe you do
deserve a little something.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, I'm sure she'll get that BMW that she wanted.
So, yeah, that was a wild story, wild, wild story, and there's
other stories like that that I'msure that obviously doesn't get
told.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
But and there are some good men around.
I'm going to segue us becausewe got some good news in the
group chat recently about a goodman who'd been locked down, put
a ring on it.
I've been a.
He's a good man, but for real,not like Savannah's mama meant
to about that cheating dog.
(38:42):
This man is a good man and heproposed to our good friend and
she said yes to one of our groupchat girl is is getting married
.
Congratulations.
We love you very much.
We can't wait to celebrate you.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yes, we can't.
And in other good news, youknow how this all came to be
listeners.
Obviously, we've all beenfriends for a while, but when we
had that wonderful trip in theBlue Ridge Mountains at the Blue
G Lodge, we have officiallydecided to what you help.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
We're making it an annual thing.
So Boogie Lodge, here we comein September.
Yeah, booked and ready.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Booked and ready.
So that is going to be great.
So, yeah, it's good to knowthat you know this particular
week or weekend in Septemberthat we decide on.
We know that this is going tobe a trip that once a year will
get together where it all stuffnot where it all started, but
when you know where we had thatspecial trip once a year,
(39:57):
because I'm so looking forwardto that, because you know, with
everyone's busy schedule it'sjust hard to get everybody
together at one time, becauseyou know everybody has crazy
lives.
But so definitely some goodnews this week, our dear friends
.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I don't know that we have crazy lives.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I think we have just very normal business, yeah busy
lives, so so we wanted to sharethose two good things that
happened this week.
Well, congratulations again onyour job.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Congratulations to you on your next steps, because
I know you're still working onyour certification and you'll
get the job that you're supposedto have.
And congratulations to our goodgirlfriend, thank you.
Thank you so much, butcongratulations, new and
beginning things and interviewsthe person we are highlighting
(40:48):
this week can help you maximizeyour strengths as you are moving
forward career wise or ifyou're already in an
organization and y'all kind ofneed some help on coming
together and finding yourstrengths and how you work
together.
We're going to highlight DrRaquel Dailey.
Shout out to Dr Dailey atGrowth Compass.
(41:10):
She is phenomenal, a formercolleague of mine.
She actually worked with a teamof mine and she was very
helpful when we had some teamdynamics that didn't align, so
she was great in kind of helpingus learn about what our
strengths were and how each ofus could work together based on
(41:33):
those and how we could be asuccessful team.
So if you're looking for someindividual help in that space,
about learning more andmaximizing your strengths, or if
you're looking to do it withyour team, dr Raquel Dailey and
that is Raqeldaileyecom andwe'll put that in our show notes
(41:56):
she is a phenomenal woman andshe also has a podcast of her
own and if you follow us, youmight see it as one of the
podcasts we recommend, becauseshe also does some work in
international education and is abig proponent on learning how
(42:17):
to properly live abroad andgiving folks what they know,
especially as a person of color.
Oh, I need to talk to Dr Daileyand you also.
I don't know.
We recommend her podcast, but Idon't know if you're actually
following it, anna.
So that is Best Life Abroad,look her up, guys.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Dr Raquel Dailey Definitely check her out.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Like I said, her podcast for kind of learning how
to have your best life abroadis available for listeners.
That again is Best Life Abroad,so check it out, check it out,
check it out.
We'll link to it in socialmedia and in our show notes and
everything.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Great, great, great, great.
Well, guys, we got appointments, so we gotta go we do.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
It has been great.
It has been great.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I missed you, so now I have my dose of you and I will
live happily well until nextweek when we talk.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Same here, dear, same here, guys, so we will see you.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Where In the group chat.
See you in the group chat.
I'm going to go ahead and say hello to my friends.
Hello folks, Welcome back toeight people in the group chat.
I am your host, Yola Gilliam.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, I am your girl, Lene Johnson, or Lene, if you
ask theory for some of myfriends, or a new one, jenny.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Where did Jenny come from?
I?
Speaker 2 (00:22):
mean, I was about to ask that Chick-fil-A.
I was at Chick-fil-A and theysaid she said it's Lene.
She said did you say Jenny?
I'm like, oh Jenny, now that'sa new one, so I guess you could
call me Jenny too.
You know, hey, but welcomepeople, jenny, from the block.
What's up?
(00:43):
Well, you know we're back.
We've been gone for a while andlife has just been like this.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We've not been gone from them for a while.
They're not going to notice adifference.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, we have been gone from each other for a while
because, as we say in the intro, life be life.
And it's just been life, and soyou know what's going on in
your world.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Well, as we talked about life and life and I got a
new job, so I have been doingall the fun intro stuff in
orientation and starting myonboarding and I am just back
from a trip to headquarters andI probably sound tired because I
am, but I am happy and thriving.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
So congratulations, thank you.
First of all, congratulationson the job.
Thank you, that is major.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah.
What role will you be doing atyour new job?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It is putting some passions and some education
together and being able tosupport the work of some folks
doing really good work in thecommunity.
So I could that, oh, that'sgood, that's really good.
I can't say so.
How have you been?
I've missed you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I missed you too, friend.
Um, craziness, I've had COVID,I've had family in town, I've
had Airbnb guest and you knowjust a lot of moving parts.
And when I tell you COVID wasCOVID-y, let me just say that it
(02:18):
was just, it was crazy, but Ifeel much better.
Thank you, I feel much better.
Had an interview yesterday witha company and I guess it went
well.
You just don't think Iinterview well.
I don't.
I get very nervous and for methis is going to sound crazy to
(02:42):
you and probably some of thepeople that are listening who
actually know me it's hard toreally tell about myself to
employers.
It's very hard.
I might get very coy for somereason and I get very nervous,
go figure, and um, I just don'tthink that it went well.
(03:03):
But you know, I talked to mysister-in-law, who is in
recruiting, and I was tellingher, sharing to her what the
recruiter said to me, andbecause she had said you know
what, you'll hear back from meon Monday.
You know, if you don't, it'snot because I don't want to talk
to you, it's just because Ijust you know I'm busy.
(03:23):
You definitely can reach out tome via phone text not text me,
but email me or LinkedIn.
So she was like that definitelysounds positive, because if she
didn't want you, she just saidwe'll send you an email.
So, yeah, I just I don't think,I don't think that I'm a, you
know, a good interviewer, butyou know, yeah, it might have
gone well, so hopefully I'll getit.
(03:45):
I've been looking for jobs, andlooking for jobs that's a thing
that kind of I don't know.
I know I'm super qualified,yeah, and I, you know, it's like
you constantly get these emailsoh, we've pivoted into another
direction, oh we've gone withsomeone else and I'm like, no,
(04:06):
no, I know how to do the job,probably better than them, but
maybe that's why I'm not gettingthe job.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I don't know who knows, but well, I'll just say I
think, too like people, it'slike the hiring managers will
decide for people oh, she's gotthese qualifications, she's too
qualified, or if she, she hasdone all this, so if she comes
here she won't stay.
So they're making decisions foryou and your life, which is not
okay.
They don't know your life, sothey should not determine if
(04:35):
you've got the minimumqualifications they asked for.
It shouldn't be that difficult,but I know your struggles, as
we talked about on anotherepisode I had been looking for
for a bit now and I think that,as it comes to interviewing,
there's some tools and some, youknow, coaching we could do, but
I don't know, if you're like me, where it's just also been a.
(04:56):
It was a long time since I hadto interview for a job, like a
decade since I've interviewedfor a job, yeah, and so things
have definitely changed in thatarena.
It has.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It really has.
I just think that it's verystressful for me.
I can only speak for me, but Ithink that it's very stressful
because to me, that is a job initself.
When you're looking for a job,so you have a job.
That's how fruit is exist,right?
So you're now part time job.
Your second job is actually tolook for a job.
(05:30):
If you're trying to get into,you know another career or
looking for another job.
I think it's so stressful.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Interviewing is so stressful, do you find?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
it to be stressful.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
I find it very stressful and I am one of those
people who enjoy the other side,like doing interviewing and the
hiring process and all that.
I get my kicks that way.
But being the candidate is verystressful because you have no
idea.
It should be as simple as do Imeet the minimum qualifications?
(06:03):
Do you want to talk more aboutmy experience?
If it makes sense, if I'm aculture add to your organization
, we can move forward.
But between that the fact thatfolks don't do hiring well which
is why I do prefer to work witha recruiter sometimes and the
fact that so many people arelooking for work right now and
(06:23):
it's hard to even make it pastthe applicant tracking system If
you don't have all the rightkeywords in your you know resume
or CV, it's tough.
It can be disheartening and Iknow people I was.
We've talked about this.
I've been discouraged in my jobsearch.
Now it worked out and this isprobably best that I did not get
(06:44):
those other positions, but thatdoesn't mean I was not
discouraged from time to time,like you can only get so much
rejection before you're likeokay, so it must be me yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, exactly, and that's the point that I'm going
to go through now.
But you know, I haven't reallyreally truly had a true
interview.
I guess maybe 2019, and that tome, really wasn't an interview,
because when I went in, it'slike we talked about everything
(07:18):
and the job, so it's almost likea conversation.
Yes, and because I was comingin as a referral, but still, you
know, she would tell me whatshe was doing and I was like,
you know, I'm not going to tellyou when I first walked in, it
was almost like I was chattingwith a girlfriend and we had
been knowing each other foryears and she told me about her
(07:41):
life and my life and thenfinally, probably about an hour
later, we started talking aboutthe job and it wasn't anything.
You know, tell me about a timewhen it was more so.
Well, let me tell you what thisjob entails.
I know you've been doing thisfor what the system we use in
XYZ.
So that was probably the lastquote unquote interview that I
(08:03):
had.
But it's tough out hereinterviewing man, especially
when they tell me tell me abouta time when, or tell me about
yourself, and it's like, oh my,in the pit of my stomach.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Standard interview questions.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I know it is but I don't know, I just get, so I
don't I get again.
We are our own worst enemy andI think obviously I get in my
own way.
And in my mother she's she's agood interview or she said it's
just so easy, just tell me abouta time.
And then a lot of people say,well, just lie.
Obviously do not not just lie,but I mean they just say, if you
(08:41):
have a situation, just you canmake up situations like it
shouldn't be that hard and Iknow I just get in my own way.
But you know, when I say lie,don't lie.
But yeah, so that's where Ihave been friend and we're
looking.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
The other day sorry, I was, I can't remember, we were
Eric and I were readingsomething about in some county
here in North Carolina where thecity finance manager, I guess,
had embellished I won't say alot, embellished their resume
(09:21):
and after like three or fouryears, I guess, folks found out
that they did not have theskills that they claimed to have
.
Now, mind you, they said, likeyou know, no money was missing,
everything was in order.
But I guess something else cameup and they were not able to
kind of use the skills they saidthey had and some.
So then it kind of came out.
(09:42):
So even if you do last a bit,if you embellish, you will
likely at that point, unless youare literally studying to show
yourself approved while youlying and you can be ready by
the time you got approved of it.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Otherwise, exactly, I always say that now, if you're
going to, you know it's a fineline between embellishing.
I mean, like you said, ifyou're going to embellish, make
sure you know at least the gistof the job.
So really when you step in youcan just okay, let me just kind
of Google this and boom, youknow.
But if you're coming in onsomething totally different and
(10:17):
you've never done that role, Iwould say you probably don't
want to do that because it'sdefinitely going to catch up to
you, although it always doeswhen you embellish anything.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
But your life, you'll find out and it will.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
It will, but obviously, oh my God.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
That's what we think, so we always talk about the
internet.
I'm sorry, but that's how weprobably go and talk about it.
When I was like your lies willbe found out.
But, girl, did you watch our50,?
What 52 bars 52 bars.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
And here's the funny thing we don't even need to say
the name because we don't.
We don't need to talk about you.
Know what we're talking aboutwhen I tell you um, you go first
tell me your thoughts, let'sjust bounce off of each other.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Well, my initial thoughts, and so I guess I
finished this Like the 21st ofFebruary, okay.
And so I was minding my ownbusiness, and then our group
chat somebody mentioned it, andI was like I'm not watching that
(11:25):
, I'm not going to watch all,I'm not going to be swiping on,
you know, on the Tik Tok, I'mnot doing all that.
And then one of our friends waslike they put it on YouTube.
So it's.
You know, continuous yes, girl.
So you could just listen.
You know, keep swiping.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
You can just listen, listen, listen, yes.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I put it on in the background.
I didn't clean my bedroom andmy bathroom and put dishes,
Watch clothes and all the thingswhile listening to this.
Yeah, and I'm like every fewminutes I'm like, oh my God, I
was like this thing.
I was so stressed listening tothis.
My back was hurting Me too.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Me too.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And I was like, well, at that point I was like Lord,
who is the toy let's talk about?
Like dude, the fake phone calls, Like that's a lot of energy to
put into a lie where you areliterally faking phone calls and
pretending to be other peopleon the phone.
I'm like, is it good withvoices?
(12:29):
Like how does she not like somany questions?
Like so, before we get to wherewe are now with that, what were
your initial thoughts?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Well, okay.
So I want to tell you exactlywhat I was doing when I first
listened to it.
It was early, early one morning.
It had to be around like seven.
I don't usually wake up thatearly, but saw it in the group
chat.
I said let me just lay herewhile I'm trying to get myself
(13:02):
together for the day and listento it.
And girl, when she started andshe said about the flat tire, I
said Jesus Christ, this is goingto be a doozy here.
And it just kept going andgoing and he showed up and I was
like, oh, he seems nice, he'scoming and meeting her and
(13:26):
helping her get the flat tire.
And then it just took a turnand I was hook line and sinker.
I mean I couldn't even.
I probably listened tothroughout the day the whole.
I think it was like through 33,one through 33 or 32.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Like five hours.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I was so hooked.
It's like, like you said, I wascleaning, I was washing clothes
.
My mouth is still open and Ifinished it.
I think I finished it Saturdayor Sunday.
Yeah, it took me about two daysto finish it.
But, girl, I mean the lies thatyou have.
(14:07):
First of all, I believe her.
Yes, number one.
Yeah, she was so detailed andjust the length that you have to
go through to think about lieslike that.
Like you said, having the fakephone cause, and you know, a lot
of times when we're on thephone with someone our volume is
turned all the way up so youcan kind of hear.
(14:28):
You may not hear exactly whatthe other person on the phone is
saying, but you can kind ofhear faintly, someone on the
phone.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Well, that's the thing, no, so a lot of people I
know like if people always gotan earbud in, you won't
necessarily, true, be able tohear.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
And I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
actually I'm not one of those people who keep my
volume up.
I'm very private person, so I'mlike I also don't use my phone
on speaker phone list.
I am literally alone and not Idon't mean like behind the
closed door and the buildingwhere other people are.
I'm like I'm at the house bymyself.
So he could have had ways thathe had the earbud.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I didn't even think about the earbud, you're
right.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
But how like, how much of I don't want to call
them to people names, but thatis a bit much Like.
Why are you so involved in thisplay that you are having fake
phone calls Like you don't haveto have it, you don't have to be
(15:32):
like someone says that hey, oh,she said, hey, oh, she right,
like what the?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
heck.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Like, yeah, that was.
I can't stand an unnecessarylie.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, that was wild.
And me and Ariel my cousin wasyesterday were talking about you
, remember she's, she had hadthe miscarriage, and spoiler
alert people.
I mean you should have listenedto it by now.
So, if you have it, I'm sorryshe had had the miscarriage.
(16:03):
You remember was getting readyto have the procedure done and
I'm in the hospital.
And remember he said, well, Ican just, you know, call my
sister to come with you.
And she was like no, I mean Idon't know her.
My thing is, at the end youfound that he never had a sister
.
So me and Ariel were talkingabout it yesterday, like was he
going to get to take her to thehospital?
Speaker 1 (16:23):
if no woman.
That woman that was his friend,she, she mentions that at the
end like that person did exist,she just was not his sister.
So a person existed, but itwasn't his, she wasn't his
sister.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
OK, so, ok.
So if that's the case, thenright, let's say she did say OK,
I'll have her take me.
You don't think that she wouldhave asked her questions and the
lies would have come out likeit could have gone, so left at
that point.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yes, but it also the his thing he was.
He's counting on, like if you,if somebody says I want you to
meet my sister, I'll send mysister, and then your sister
gets you're not going to be, areyou so?
And so, sister, you're going tobe like are you name?
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah it matches the name that he said.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And so, especially if she just had that procedure,
she wouldn't have been likechatty.
But let's take it one stepfurther.
So he didn't actually have thatfreaking job.
This is why he couldn't answer.
He had a job assistant.
He didn't have an assistantLike why?
Like just say, well, I wouldhave been pissed.
(17:36):
He was, he had a job at thatlevel and couldn't just come
with me because he was usuallyin the job.
He was claiming to have havesome level of flexibility.
I think he like invented a fakeclient meeting or something I
can't recall exactly, and thenpretended to be the assistant.
Like all that was unnecessary.
You didn't need to pretend tobe the assistant, you could have
(17:57):
just been like hey, I steppedout of the meeting to check on
you, or a, b, like what thefreak Like this is.
This makes.
This is when it gets scary.
It was already like crazy andlike entertaining, but this like
to find out this, like thatnone of these people existed, or
(18:18):
all these relationships.
And he was Like saying thatpeople were dying, dying To a
point like she was like I don'tplay with death, so why would
you think that somebody, anynormal person, would be like so
on.
So died by grandma died.
This person died that ladies.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
child died, the door died.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Why would you say somebody's child died when they
did not in fact die?
And if your grandma alreadydied, why did you need to die
now?
Like, what sympathies do youthink you're going to get If I'm
already in a full fledgedrelationship with you?
Like you don't, are you tryingto like?
What's the point of just sayingrandom people died?
Yeah, I mean unnecessary lies,sorry, I'm very excited about
(19:02):
this.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I'm no, I mean I feel you, I mean I was to, still am,
um, and then what got me wasthe house, the source of funds,
um, now you're going to pullyourself off the internet.
And here's the here's the funnypart, because you know, I'm in
(19:23):
mortgages.
People been frightened for along time.
I mean, people can legit makeup W two's, legit make up bank
statements, so I could see howhe had done that.
But the fact that he is justpulling up screenshots from the
(19:44):
website and people.
And here's the thing, what Igot from it is that people want
to be loved so bad that they arewilling to forego the layer.
As she said, United Nations ofred flags and Cybar area was
(20:09):
telling me yesterday that she'sgoing to come out with shirts
and one of them is UnitedNations of red flags and proof
of funds.
I said I have to have one ofthose shirts, but anyway I
digress.
But that people want to beloved or in love so bad that
they are willing to overlookmajor red flags just to be in
love.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I mean, that's just to be in love too.
So I could say there are somered flags that she willing, that
she will tell you that sheignore, like she is very upfront
and honest about this.
But I also think, like somethings is also you just be like,
why would a person lie aboutthat?
Like you, because you are aperson with integrity, you would
(20:52):
never, never, cross your mindthat somebody would lie about
certain things and the lies bethat involved.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, I mean, you know you're thinking that he's
put earners money down on thehouse and the agent is saying
wait, really, Because I didn'tknow anything about that, let me
, let me see no, I haven't.
And then you go to look on mysomething in your gut is telling
(21:21):
you, your intuition is tellingyou just go online and it says
that it's under contract, right,right, I mean.
And to know that this person isnow in your house.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
So it's like I can't even I think the problem there
are so many problems, so manypart of it is that initially he
also had answers for everythingwhen she was like, yeah, I found
this, can you explain this, canyou explain this, and so I
(22:00):
think that kept her in it long,because he always had what
seemed to be a suitable answerfor the question or concern she
had.
It wasn't until you know youfolks, they always.
You can only go so long beforefolks are getting argumentative
and defensive, of course, aboutthey like because now they're
(22:20):
running out of lives.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Exactly Because, see, when you lie, you have to
remember that lie and then youhave to tell another lie to
cover that lie and tell anotherlie, and it took to Until Tiring
, like I don't even understandit is.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
I feel like physically my body wouldn't even
allow for all that Like.
That tires me, the thought ofit.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
That's why and I totally agree with you.
Like who would lie about that?
Like who would lie about, ok,he has an offshore account.
Like from what I see, the basicthat he presented appears that
this is his account.
Like, why would I even question, I make question now, why do
(23:04):
you have an offshore account?
But the man says he has anoffshore account, he has an
offshore account, why would hebe lying about that Me?
And then just oh my, it wasjust oh my.
And then, and he having thephone finding out he's sleeping
with a prostitute, whatever, hisknee is so bad, because when he
(23:28):
is he's not.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
He will use OK, six worker.
I mean, you know, and findingthe phone, and then you are
drinking what Gatorade andyou're peeing in the great
Gatorade bottles.
You can't get it from your knee.
And what I thought about is,when he said the sex worker, I
(23:52):
thought the reason what for hisknee is.
When she started saying that hehad a STD or STI, that's what I
thought, because I'm like whyis it?
If your knee is hurting thisbad, why aren't you getting up
and going to the doctor?
Because it was not.
You can go to the hospital.
I don't know.
We get, let's talk, let's talk,let's talk, let's touch on that
.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
On that flag foot, I mean not flag but arena ball
ball, and I know a couple ofpeople who played arena ball.
So that is a real thing, we allknow.
No, it is a real thing.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
But do you, do you read when champion champs?
I mean, do you get paid?
Yeah, do you OK, because it's ajob?
Yeah, ok, but not big buckslike NFL, right?
Oh, it's OK.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
OK, but like and that's the thing I guess you can
say, I played arena ball,because most people don't, even
if they know somebody who playedarena ball, they might not know
.
They know somebody who playedarena ball, right.
But you also can't be like Iwas in the NFL, because that's
probably more easily verified.
Oh yeah, you can pull thatright up.
It didn't be like he was astarter or whatever you call it,
(24:57):
but definitely he could have.
But again, unnecessary lies,like you didn't have to say you
played arena football.
You could have literally beenlike I hurt my knee in a game
with pickup basketball with myboys and she would have been
like oh OK.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
But the fact that he went from a three X to a medium.
Something is going on and I'mnot talking about just missing a
few meals.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Like you know, I dropped that much weight, the
lack of eating at him, I decided, mm, hmm, mm, hmm, I mean, you
will get your comeuppance.
And it's not like that was,that was his.
When you're BMW you not movefrom the bed and you are.
It's almost like all this waseating away at him.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, it took a toll on him physically.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And I'm assuming, based on the job, we then
learned that he did have.
He may have hurt his knee inthat capacity, mm, hmm, yeah,
which means he then didn't have,he couldn't work.
And so All this in the stressof all like, think, probably
feeling and thinking he might besoon found out.
(26:13):
That's true.
And what about Go ahead?
No, I was going to ask aboutthe college thing.
No, go ahead.
When he talked about you know,she verified that he did not in
fact attend the.
Oh no, I was a private, my dadcitizen, private citizen, is
that any other like?
(26:34):
And she knew these things didnot add up.
I mean, this was you know, shewas at this point With her wit's
in yeah, like I'm like thatagain, you did not have to say
you like, this is a veryelaborate and most of these
things you can find out like theobituary about when his
grandmother passed away.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say with the
not being enrolled, or didn'tgo to San Diego, the school, the
college and the university inSan Diego.
I'm like Jude, do youunderstand?
I can this is not a lie but Ihave the dig, dig, dig and can't
find the answer.
I legit can find this out, andyou didn't go.
(27:15):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Now I'll be honest, I Outside of like employment
verification.
I am wondering why they werejust so willing to tell her that
, and I have worked in a longtime engagement and I know
people in the registrar's officeand so I Find it interesting
that they were so free with someinformation and it wasn't like
(27:42):
an official like employmentverification or you know
verification verifying hisdegree.
For some legitimate reasonother than this man might lie to
me.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I so recently.
I don't know if you've seenLatoya.
My questions about who isLatoya have been answered yes,
yes, so she's a real person.
She's a real person and itseems like everybody, and that
second wife Kind of like,confirmed several of the things
(28:22):
that were shared.
And then, if it is, in fact, ifshe did talk to his family
members, like she said, ain'tnobody fooling with him, which
is and she made a point.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
She said what the sad thing about it is.
Oh, and let me say this it hascome out that his brother well,
his brother, not the brotherthis particular legion, mm, hmm,
um, just suffer from bipolarand schizophrenia.
So the brother confirmed that,so, which made a lot of sense.
(28:55):
Now, it makes sense because hetook on, I guess, the
personality of his twin.
You know the twin, you know hewas.
They were kind of going intothat.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
But the crazy thing I believe for me, with all the DS
, DSM stuff there's some other.
I'm assuming there's probably anumber of other diagnosis to
like he.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah Well, apparently this has been known since he
was younger, and the brothersaid that his father came out of
retirement to help the sonbecause there were issues there,
mental issues, yeah, so, um, soI want to say that before I say
this.
So, but what she said was whatwas when she stopped to think
(29:39):
about it.
How sad that to know thateverybody that is in your life
who she has come in contact withwants nothing to do with him.
I mean you have got to be athat is very sad when, when
people don't even bring his nameup to me, don't even bring I,
don't talk to him, he better notcall me sad that everybody who
(30:01):
knows you doesn't want to foolwith you.
I mean, obviously, over thecourse of time he has lies.
So I mean I totally, Itypically totally get it.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
But to know that life changing things that disrupt
your life it's not just, likeyou know, I got a new job or I
got a new car and you are thenexaggerating the job, stuff that
put people's lives in danger.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Exactly.
And then you know, having hergo test drive cars, I mean just
setting her and like she said, I, she said I feel like he liked
the excitement of seeing me.
He got something out of seeingme, excited, you know, unhappy,
knowing that it was never goingto happen.
I mean how you go and let thisgirl test drive cars, thinking
(30:51):
that she's going?
What do you want?
No, I think you should get aBMW.
Oh, no, I don't think youshould get a BMW.
And knowing that that was nevergoing to happen, I mean it just
wishes, mind blowing that eachpart that she would tell.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Like that and again with his.
With the car situation he had afake company car and had a fake
phone call about going to seehis office and why he was
driving his car and not thecompany car, and how he drove it
back to like it's.
My mind was blown Mine too, andI know a lot of people like why
would you tell all this?
(31:30):
To keep it from happening tosomebody else?
Absolutely, and she could havethem out and then he'd be back
on the dating scene with someoneelse, because, look, she was
apparently what?
Speaker 2 (31:42):
the third, the third wife, right, because there was
someone before the previous wifethat she went to go to talk to.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
So there was Latoya, then the second wife that she
talked to on the phone, whosechild he had said passed away,
passed away.
It was untrue.
And then her that we know of.
But I'm sure there have beensome other relationships that
people probably caught wind alittle quicker.
But and that's probably becausehe got put in a situation he
couldn't get in.
(32:08):
And I'm speculating, folks, Iknow I'm speculating, but yeah,
he's responded.
I am just full transparency.
I have paid no attention to hisresponses.
I don't care about him, believenothing.
He says no, sorry to that man,as Kiki Palmer would say, but
yeah, I don't believe anything.
I don't believe anything he hasto say.
(32:31):
So I have not used my precioustime to watch anything he's had
to say in response to this.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
I did watch one of them because I did.
I was curious about what wouldhe look like.
I want to see what he lookedlike, but yeah, but I could give
two cents about what he has tosay in his rebuttal.
I don't want to care.
I don't care to hear anythingthat you have to say, because
you're a liar and you'reeverything that you're saying.
Now you're probably lying.
I believe everything that shesaid and, yes, of course she was
(33:04):
putting it out to help otherpeople so they won't fall for
him or fall because people have.
Let's be clear, maybe noteveryone has experienced it to
that degree, but at some point alot of women have experienced
that.
Yeah, and from what I hear, myfriend in Atlanta, she was
(33:26):
telling me how there's a termwhich I didn't know.
She schooled me on this.
It's called oh God, what's thename of it?
Jesus, it was just on the tipof my tongue when you tried to
swoop in on a woman.
You probably know the name ofit.
You know how a man tries todate a woman and then move in.
Oh, I got no where to live.
(33:47):
Oh God, it's called.
It was just on the tip of mytongue, I forgot, but men do
that yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
And do that.
They will Put it in thecomments.
If you know what it is, yes,please.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
But it's when you, a man, you start dating a girl and
you really don't like her.
But you know, so what?
You start dating her and thenyou put it on really thick to
make it seem like you love her,like no, it's, I'll get the name
Just for housing, like you'redoing all this.
Yeah, so he so let's say he'sliving out of his car or he's
(34:24):
living out of his storage and hefinds a girl to date.
Her, and you know, says sweetnothings and moves in on what
it's called but we're going tofind out.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
But isn't that crazy.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I mean, there are people out here who pray on
women.
Pray on people, but pray onwomen.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
People are filled with the worst part about I want
to go back to Legion for asecond and all the rebuttals, hi
, go ahead.
Oh, so just saying the worstpart is because he's a woman.
The worst part is because he islike so much he actually some
of his pieces could be true andnobody would ever believe him,
because he has establishedhimself as a liar to almost
(35:07):
everybody who knows him.
So this is nobody's ever goingto believe anything he says at
this point.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
And that's really sad because he could actually be
telling the truth and no one'sgoing to believe you because
you're you're lying.
But yes, latoya has been.
Now what has Latoya said?
Because I haven't followed upon that story.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
She basically says she exists and a lot of the
stuff that Reese Tezos said istrue.
She had either not like theexact same, but similar
experiences in that she don'tdoubt what Reese Tezos says is
true and happened to her, andthen his family called him.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
That's why I found the name is hobo sexual.
H O B O sexual, and it's aperson who jumps into
relationships to have a place tolive.
Hobo sexual.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
I guess people have gone to prison to have a place
to live.
So it takes all kinds.
Yeah, it does.
So you know you have to reallydo, but I guess they want
somebody to pay the bills, Ofcourse.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Of course.
But I mean, the thing is, youhave to be, and I understand why
people are on high alert whenit comes to dating because you
don't know.
No, you think this person isbeing genuine and they're just
being selfish out for themselvesbeing a hobo sexual.
Well, I just want a place tolive.
So I mean, you know it's wildout here, it is wild out here,
(36:32):
but did you hear that?
You know she's not Ummonetizing off of it?
Well, good, because of whathappened, I guess, when she
uploaded the videos, it wasn'tuploaded correctly.
Oh and um.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I thought that choice but she cannot is what you're
saying.
No, she cannot.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
And then I think she was off.
They kicked her off her lifethat she could upload for 30
days Now during this time Ithink she can't remember how
many videos she had put out.
But people are now monetizingoff of her.
You know, social media was upin a horse and tick tock paid
this woman.
So I think they are going topay her, but I think, as of
today, she still hasn't receiveda check from them.
(37:11):
But people all around the worldare listening and excited for
her Cause.
You know, one of the thingsthat she wanted to do was go to
London.
Uh-huh, I think it was.
I won't even specifically sayLondon, I'll say Europe and um,
I saw clips on TikTok wherepeople are so excited like you
know how you'll have like a um,you'll pass by stores and
(37:35):
they'll have sort of like a iPad, that just kind of like you
know, you see what's going on inthe store, yeah, and they have
her reels in London or in youroh, that is gracious.
So people can see and they'relike, oh, we're so excited that
she's coming to visit.
So I guess, a few places thatshe's been wanting to go now she
gets a chance to.
So I'm happy for her.
I'm happy she's able tosomewhat monetize off of it, at
(37:58):
least get to travel and seedifferent places that she wanted
to.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
If you've gone through all that, maybe you do
deserve a little something.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, I'm sure she'll get that BMW that she wanted.
So, yeah, that was a wild story, wild, wild story, and there's
other stories like that that I'msure that obviously doesn't get
told.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
But and there are some good men around.
I'm going to segue us becausewe got some good news in the
group chat recently about a goodman who'd been locked down, put
a ring on it.
I've been a.
He's a good man, but for real,not like Savannah's mama meant
to about that cheating dog.
(38:42):
This man is a good man and heproposed to our good friend and
she said yes to one of our groupchat girl is is getting married
.
Congratulations.
We love you very much.
We can't wait to celebrate you.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yes, we can't.
And in other good news, youknow how this all came to be
listeners.
Obviously, we've all beenfriends for a while, but when we
had that wonderful trip in theBlue Ridge Mountains at the Blue
G Lodge, we have officiallydecided to what you help.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
We're making it an annual thing.
So Boogie Lodge, here we comein September.
Yeah, booked and ready.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Booked and ready.
So that is going to be great.
So, yeah, it's good to knowthat you know this particular
week or weekend in Septemberthat we decide on.
We know that this is going tobe a trip that once a year will
get together where it all stuffnot where it all started, but
when you know where we had thatspecial trip once a year,
(39:57):
because I'm so looking forwardto that, because you know, with
everyone's busy schedule it'sjust hard to get everybody
together at one time, becauseyou know everybody has crazy
lives.
But so definitely some goodnews this week, our dear friends
.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I don't know that we have crazy lives.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
I think we have just very normal business, yeah busy
lives, so so we wanted to sharethose two good things that
happened this week.
Well, congratulations again onyour job.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Congratulations to you on your next steps, because
I know you're still working onyour certification and you'll
get the job that you're supposedto have.
And congratulations to our goodgirlfriend, thank you.
Thank you so much, butcongratulations, new and
beginning things and interviewsthe person we are highlighting
(40:48):
this week can help you maximizeyour strengths as you are moving
forward career wise or ifyou're already in an
organization and y'all kind ofneed some help on coming
together and finding yourstrengths and how you work
together.
We're going to highlight DrRaquel Dailey.
Shout out to Dr Dailey atGrowth Compass.
(41:10):
She is phenomenal, a formercolleague of mine.
She actually worked with a teamof mine and she was very
helpful when we had some teamdynamics that didn't align, so
she was great in kind of helpingus learn about what our
strengths were and how each ofus could work together based on
(41:33):
those and how we could be asuccessful team.
So if you're looking for someindividual help in that space,
about learning more andmaximizing your strengths, or if
you're looking to do it withyour team, dr Raquel Dailey and
that is Raqeldaileyecom andwe'll put that in our show notes
(41:56):
she is a phenomenal woman andshe also has a podcast of her
own and if you follow us, youmight see it as one of the
podcasts we recommend, becauseshe also does some work in
international education and is abig proponent on learning how
(42:17):
to properly live abroad andgiving folks what they know,
especially as a person of color.
Oh, I need to talk to Dr Daileyand you also.
I don't know.
We recommend her podcast, but Idon't know if you're actually
following it, anna.
So that is Best Life Abroad,look her up, guys.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Dr Raquel Dailey Definitely check her out.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Like I said, her podcast for kind of learning how
to have your best life abroadis available for listeners.
That again is Best Life Abroad,so check it out, check it out,
check it out.
We'll link to it in socialmedia and in our show notes and
everything.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Amazing.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Great, great, great, great.
Well, guys, we got appointments, so we gotta go we do.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
It has been great.
It has been great.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I missed you, so now I have my dose of you and I will
live happily well until nextweek when we talk.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Same here, dear, same here, guys, so we will see you.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Where In the group chat.
See you in the group chat.
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