COS, 14 Revisit: The Goldilocks of Aerodynamics

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
This is episode four hundred and fifty four of Aloha
Mora for May thirty first, twenty and twenty five. Welcome

(00:38):
to another episode of Aloha Mora, the fandom's original Harry
Potter book Club.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm Josh Cook, I'm Seamani Willis, I'm Jeff Hutton.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
And I'm Cat Miller. And today, friends, we are taking
you all the way back to book two with a
Chamber of Secrets, chapter number fourteen. Cornelius Fudge. I find
it very funny that our last episode was Bagman and
Crouch and now here we are with Fudge.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
I just that's what I said.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I just love it.

Speaker 5 (01:05):
And the one before that was the Hogwarts High Inquisitor.
We are just knocking off these these wizarding politicians.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
You know what's so funny is I'm confident I've said
this on the show before, but when we decided on
doing the last you know, the final one hundred, we
just randomized the final episode save a few of them,
like you know, we knew which ones we wanted to
end with and whatever. And I just love how the
algorithm is is is making this. And I didn't use
like AI or whatever. I just put it into excel,

(01:35):
thank you, and hit random boom done.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Very cool. Sometimes the flowers arranged themselves.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Jim, hm, that's such a nice quote. What's that from?

Speaker 5 (01:46):
That's Robert California from season eight of the Office. And
if listeners think that's the only time I'm going to
reference The Office this episode, you clearly do not understand
me at all.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
You're just you're on a string of it lately. That's all.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Yep, it's a weir y, universally applicable show.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Kat, It's true.

Speaker 6 (02:04):
I guess I'm gonna be lost because I've never watched Office,
So it's okay.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
You can also forget. You can also forget any quotes
by Robert California, because even though he's a great character,
those seasons are mostly irrelevant. But anyway, that's another podcast.
The first time we talked about this chapter was all
the way back in November twenty twelve on episode sixteen.
Wow does that say laugh? What did that say?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Yeah? I made a joke come in Togo. That was
where I have sow many Q for laughter and I
made a cue for a laugh.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Oh, I got it.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 6 (02:41):
All right.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
No, I dig it. I love it.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
But apparently I was on that original episode with Noah
and Rosie and our friend Terrence from Hogwarts Radio, who
you will get to hear from again before we hit
five hundred episodes. So it should be a good one today.
It's a quick one, it's a short one, but it's.

Speaker 6 (02:57):
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do so, Thank you again.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yay, thank you, You're the bigest. Does always sound like
golf claps, it does, honestly. If we clap any louder,
We're gonna blow up the microphones. And Patrick and Catherine
are and be like, don't goab so loud. So they
are enthusiastic golf claps they are.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I had to change my chair out because Catherine was
upset with my squeaky chair, so I have a new
chair today. Oh yeah, I'm especially not clapping loud.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah. Well, we have great editors who think about things
like squeaky chairs and loud claps. So anyway, Jeff, my friend,
take it away, lead us into the chapter.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
Three tons should do it.

Speaker 7 (04:25):
Chapter revisit, I've just understood something. Chapter fourteen, I've got
to come to the library Cornelius Fudge.

Speaker 5 (04:44):
All right, so check it. The Golden Trio suspects that
Hagrid might just be Xoxo gossip Girl, but chances to
interrogate their grown adult friend about his past are limited. Meanwhile,
they need to choose their subjects for the next year
with little to no help from anyone other than Percy Weasley.
Take that, Percy Weasley haters. Harry gets his stolen diaries

(05:07):
stolen back by porch pirates because they don't have doorbell
cameras at Hogwarts. Hermione has a light bulb moment that
gets immediately snuffed out by the mysterious voice that lives
inside the walls. Quidditch gets canceled, which is obviously the
greatest tragedy of this entire chapter. Students get put under
a strict new curfew, which Harry and Ron break immediately

(05:28):
so they can interrogate Hagrid about being Xoxo gossip girl.
He greets them with a weapon and some fruitcake. That's
not a joke, it's what actually happened. But they're interrupted
by Cornelius Fudge, a quintessential government official who is here
to arrest Hagrid first and then ask questions later. That
arrest is interrupted by Draco Malfoy's father, who is here

(05:51):
to suspend Dumbledore first and ask questions never. All the
adults leave Harry and Ron alone in Hagrid's hut after
a cryptic clue to follow Ron's least favorite creature to
wizard God only knows where and scene. That's it. That's
all you need to know. We can go home now.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
When you put it like that, it sounds like so
much happens in this chapter.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Yes, we're all tight twenty five Okay, it's a short
chapter in a short book, but if you think about it,
there's actually quite a passage of time here, because we
start with the Golden Trio having a conversation about what's
really going on, which happens all the time. They do
something perfectly innocent, which is choosing subjects, and then something

(06:33):
serious happens, obviously, the cancelation a quid. It's not the
attack of two students by a disembodied voice. And then
we have secret government stuff going on behind the scenes.
I think that same evening, right, like, they don't wait
until a couple of days later to go talk to Hagrid.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
Now they come immediately yeap, later that night after everything happens.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Yeah, so we're talking about the passage of a couple
of days here.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
I think I happen to know a book that can
tell us exactly how many days have passed?

Speaker 6 (07:07):
Really? Is it this book?

Speaker 3 (07:09):
Yeah? It is that book. It's called The Unofficial Harry
Potter Companion in in Depth Exploration.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Josh, please don't tell that the book, Josh, please don't.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
He's going to call it out and then Jeff's going
to be left his.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Book or is it this book? Listeners, my book is
Fundamentals of Hydraulic Engineering Systems.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
The fourth edition sounds fascinating.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I don't even know what is that.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Mine is a journal from a podcast journal. I used
it the odd for Fantastic Beasa War.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Of Are Okay. So according to this page one and
thirteen of the unofficial Harrycott Potter Companion and in Depth
expiration for Chamber of Secrets written by people on this podcast,
the chapter starts in mid April, about four months after
Justin and Nick were attacked, and it ends in mid May.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Whoa, so we actually have quite a passage of.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Time here, Yeah, about a month. Yeah. So but anyway,
let's get into it now that we have the timeline settled,
because I know that that is the most important part
of talking about any Harry Potter jy.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
And of course, so I mean just the chapter opens
with like, with the group trying to i ALM was
viewed as justifying Haggard releasing the monster back fifty years ago, right,
They're like, well, if he did find out about this
monster and it was cooped up, we can only imagine
that Haggard would want to let it go. And I

(08:46):
just I don't know if that's the right way to
look at all of this that's happened in here, because
all signs do point to Hagrid at least did it
fifty years ago.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Right, Yeah, I mean Harry.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Harry's not putting two and two together. Like there's the
voice that's following him all around. The castle is doing
its thing, and this it's a very brief glimpse that
we get of this monster that Hagrid has, but it
doesn't say anything. Does Harry not put those two things together?

Speaker 1 (09:18):
No?

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, and let's remember two. I feel like we constantly
have to remind ourselves of this because we as adults
and readers have hindsight. But Harry is towel. They are twelve.
They are not even teenagers. They are I mean, teenagers
are children in my opinion, but they are like legitimate children.

(09:39):
So Harry is just thinking himself, Oh my gosh, this
one person that is like nice and good and thoughtful
and caring in this world can't be a bad guy.
So even if he did it, he must have had
a fantastic reason for doing it. I'm not saying this
is what's happening to Harry via Hagrid, but this is
like what kids who are raised and abusive situations due

(10:02):
to the adults in their life. They try to justify
crappy behavior like, oh, they didn't they didn't mean that,
not all kids, not every situation, but it definitely happens.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, I mean, I do think that the situation itself
does fit Haggard to the tea as far as well,
something Haggard did something, something bad kind of happened, but
nobody died, right, So like he didn't mean for anyone
to die, He didn't mean promote and Myrtle to die, right.
So I just think that Haggard gets away with a lot,

(10:34):
and I talk about almost every Haggard centric episode. I
just feel like he gets away with so much because
his intentions are good, but good intentions and bad execution.
It's not a get out of jail free card here,
well I mean jail. I'm not making the joke about Ascoban.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
You could. It works.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Ye. That's what makes Rubus Hagrid as a character study.
Rubus Hagrid is a lesson in the difference between intent
and impact because Hagrid very rarely, if ever, actually seeks
to cause harm to anybody, and yet it frequently happens
even if it's not actual physical harm Hermione gets frustrated

(11:18):
when she finds out about Grop when she says, why
does he have to make life so difficult for himself?
The question should be why does Hagrid have to make
life difficult for everybody who is closest to him?

Speaker 6 (11:32):
Because he doesn't realize that it's a problem. It's almost
like he's very naive in the way that he thinks, oh,
I can just bring these creatures in and nothing's going
to happen. Like I don't, He's not. It's like, I'll say,
he's not malicious. He's not purposely trying to make everybody's
life difficult. It's just a byproduct of his lack of forethoughts.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
He is also mentally wildly underdeveloped. I would say, sure
he's an adult quote unquote, but he's a child. I mean,
he got expelled from school at thirteen and then just
went to be what the gamekeeper? Like did he immediately

(12:16):
get hired at Hogwarts, so he didn't get to continue
to really grow up with kids. I mean, sure he's
around kids, but he's not with kids. I don't think.
I know. We talk a lot about serious and myrtle.
You know other characters that sort of are mentally stagnant,
and I think we have to lump Hagrid in there

(12:39):
because it yes intention great. You can't just call him ignorant,
because he's not just totally ignorant. You know that it's
a mix of all of those things.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
All the more reason why he should not have positions
of authority or responsibility for the welfare of children.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Doesn't He doesn't actually have here though, like he doesn't
have any thought until he becomes care Magical Creature's professor.
Do we think that Hagrid has any authority as keeper
of the I mean, I ask keeper of the keys,
may have some authority with it, but nothing, nothing.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
But the dragon thing to himself. He didn't have to
invite Harry Ron and Hermione to his cabin to see
the dragon egg and tell them what he was up to.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
That was his voice, and that's what saw Me was
talking about with Grop.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
And that's more evidence of his lack of maturity. Lack
of maturity, like Cat mentioned, it's kind of like he
sees Harry Ron Hermione as his friends, his buddies. That
he didn't really have a chance to do that because
he didn't continue through school with his peers, so Harry
Ron and Hermione kind of fill that spot. So he

(13:45):
was like, oh, I'll show my friends the dragon. But
they're students, so there needs to be some separation there,
which he doesn't seem to understand.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, well we're gonna, I mean, we are going to
talk so much about Hagrid. So but it's funny because
this next point is they're tough. So again Harry is
still trying to justify their sort of chatting about it whatever.
And Harry this, he says it to himself like heed,
meaning Hagrid probably thought it was a shame that the
monster had been cooped up so long and thought it

(14:19):
deserved a chance to stretch its many legs. I set
my book down this time, and I went, oh, my gosh,
I don't think I ever realized stretch its many legs,
Like hello, hint, hint, hint, hint. It's like waving in
the face. Yeah, yeah, it's a bit.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Well, the real monster has no legs.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
How ironic I mean, but you know, Spider's all that jazz.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, so just and again that would explain like a
totally innocent Oh, Hagrid's like Oh, it needs to go
out and stretch its legs, like totally innocent action. But
it's not a puppy, it's you know, whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, I mean, Harry even goes as far to say,
like Haggard would have tried to put a leash and
collar on it, you know, because like why would it
why would it hurt me? But like that that's the
other part that we're missing and some of some of
the I guess, I know, Kat you said you said
it's probably not all ignorance, but I'm going to continue
to say the ignorance. Haggard is half giant. He's way

(15:23):
bigger than all of his other peers. So like the
things that could harm and kill his fellow classmates probably
can't harm him. So like there's that's another piece that
he's missing there of like, hey, yeah, this thing is
great and I can play with it and I can
you know, do whatever, but little Johnny over here probably can't.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah. Well, and you know, I was just thinking about
this because you pointed out like, oh, the real monster
doesn't have legs, right, but the spider that they are
going to think as the monster does. And I think
that this is sort of a red Herringer give us
thrown off on that.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
But so it had a puppy they did not get
to stretch its legs because it was on constant guard
duty for like nine months in the last book. Remember
that poor puppy.

Speaker 6 (16:11):
Yeah, imagine taking that out for a walk.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
I was just gonna make fun of Eric because when
they were on an episode however long ago, they pronounced
Cerberus Kerberus, and I just I've never let it go. Yeah.
Occasionally I will send them a text and be likeberus,
how do you pronounce it? But anyway, so they're having

(16:43):
this conversation, hang on, are they in a few more days? No,
whisper became no. Okay, So they're having this conversation. A
few days go by, and then we get a little,
very quick Mandrake update. It just says that in March,
several of the man breaks through a loud and raucous

(17:04):
party in Greenhouse three. This made Professor Sprout very happy.
And that's just it throwaway comment. However, I really liked
when I was looking through a throwback comment this time.
Since it was an early episode, there weren't too many.
When we lost the forums, we lost a lot of
our comments, but I thought this one was interesting because
we probably weren't going to talk about it otherwise. This

(17:26):
is from Alex two four six zero one, who commented
on November twenty fifth, twenty twelve. Well, yes, wow, indeed
they say, isn't it odd that mandrakes are considered plants?
And again we have talked about this so many times
on the show and the fandom whatever, but maybe not
this group of people. So I figured why not? Don't

(17:46):
you think they fit better in the animal category? For example,
it is told that they can move from place to place,
which is a trait not mostly shown by plants. I
don't think shown by any plants personally, unless they are
less absolutely necessary. I might be imagining this, but I
feel like at one point, the students are feeding the
man drakes. Would this suggest heterotropism? Heterotropism? Am I saying

(18:12):
that right? Heterotropism? I think I'm saying it right in
an autotropic by definition being is this getting too scientific
for everybody? They're hopping from pot to pot also suggests
that they haven't taken root yet they have grown. I mean,
from what I've learned in seventh grade science, these characteristics

(18:32):
do not constitute a plant if we could examine a
man drake cell. Do you believe it would show a
cell wall? Oh my gosh, the power host of the anyway, Okay,
I'm getting flashbacks of science. Do you think it has
some of both characteristics making it a humanoid plant hybrid?
And again this was from Alex two four six zero one,

(18:53):
not no a Freid. So oh, Jeff like your naked carrot?

Speaker 5 (19:04):
Okay, first of all, let's hope that's not the that's
not the poll quote from the episode. What you said
you like my naked carrot. Let's just hope that's not
the pull quote from the episode. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Oh, well, I can make it a pull quote by
marking it, making it a clip.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Anyway, This is a mandrake that I got in uh blind,
What are they called it? It was a mad I
don't know, probably because it's cured a ship to my
address than it should have. But like you tilt it back,
it doesn't look mad at all. See you're right.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Look, oh it's got some prominent prominent brows. What is
that called when you have like? Anyway?

Speaker 5 (19:45):
I don't know anyway. Through my connection to the Different
Harry Potter Podcast communities. I was part of a secret
Santa gift exchange in one year. One of the secret
Santa gifts that I got was this hand crocheted man
drake that sits on my desk.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
Now, it looks like it's like, hmm hmmm, I can't
I can't make faces of my eyebrows.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
Most of the time. It looks like that little prawn
thing from Men in Black.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
I just love it. It's truly like an angry naked carrot.

Speaker 6 (20:16):
He's upset because he's not in a pot. That's why
he's mad.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
He's upset because of all the big words that we
were just trying to understand.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, does anyone have any thoughts here about Alex two
four six zero one comment?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yes, they all love.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
The reference to le Mezerab because that's what that number means.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
Oh yeah, you're right, it does. I'm smart.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
There are some numbers you never forget, and one of
those numbers is two four six So warm anyway.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, I think that they're I think they're animals. I
don't think that they're like necessarily plants. They seem like
they have emotions, right, like they cry when you pull
them out of the dirt and they do grow and
grow into a way that they are. I mean we're
not like told this, but like they throw a big party,

(21:07):
which takes intelligence to throw a party and then run
into each other's pods, presumably to play a board game
for the killer.

Speaker 6 (21:19):
I'm sure that's what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (21:20):
I mean, they're pollinating own you know what we should
call that?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Like, that's that's cute, that's the thing. Yeah, it's it's
tough because man drakes are real. Yeah, not you know,
humanoid muggle I say humanoid, I meant muggle. Man Drakes
obviously are not real. But this has always been such

(21:52):
a sticky one. I do think that they are creatures.
I mean, as as Alex points out, they don't have roots.
As Josh just pointed out, they throw parties and they like, sorry,
there's no other way to say.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Funny, I'm saying, is it alive? Is that what we're
doing now?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I mean, they are alive. I don't even think we
have to ask that question.

Speaker 6 (22:24):
I kind of like the idea of the human plant
hybrid situation, because they do have leaves and they are
going to be used for man drake potion, so which
I mean, by the way, seems a little bit messed up.
But these these things are raising them. I mean, I
guess it's kind of like like chickens or cows, so

(22:46):
you raise them to eat, so it's kind of not
cont well, yeah, I know they're but they're you know,
some do so I guess kind of dogs and monkeys.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
My gosh, sorry, see, oh, my gosh.

Speaker 5 (23:01):
Everything in the magical world to me seems to have
Maybe this isn't just me, but everything in the magical
world seems to have a very specific antidote. And they
don't seem to have any option to cure petrified people
other than the man Drake draft. So apart from raising

(23:22):
them to be slaughtered to make the man Drake draft.

Speaker 6 (23:27):
What else are they for?

Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah? But you know what I would love to know
is how often is petrification actually a concern? Like? How
often do they need this?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
We don't see it anywhere in seven years except for here,
and it's a very specific situation.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
And is there anything else that causes petrification other than yeah,
what's happening here?

Speaker 5 (23:49):
And are they like can you because they Professor Sprout,
I think, is the one who mentions that they'll be
cutting them up and doing them not just talking about
the leaves, like the actual mandrakes themselves, like their little
man drake bodies are going to be mutilated and turned
into broth, and that's going to cure petrification. So of course,

(24:15):
the year that everybody needs this one antidote that they
have is the same year that twelve year olds are
the ones learning how to take care of these things.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah. Earlier in the book, it is discussed that the
mandrakes will become a moody and secretive, meaning that they
were fast leaving childhood. So I mean they are they
get acne, so they're like people.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
They're like people ask but plants. So I mean, I
would say the plant human hybrid situation is actually it's
kind of like like groot.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Oh my gosh, I was just going to bring up groot.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
But yeah, then they're going to stew them, which is disturbing, necessary,
I guess, yes, but disturbing.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
See, now, the part that we're missing is Professor Sprout
doesn't say as soon as they're fully matured, we're going
to murder them. They clearly have a very quick lifespan
from the time their babies to the time they have
acne that needs clearing up. To the time they're ready
to move in together. Like I'm thinking an average like
nine month period for them probably you know, takes up

(25:25):
an entire like from birth to life to death span.
So maybe it's just good timing that by the time
they're old and ready to kick it anyway, that it's
time to stew them.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
So let me just point out that. Also this book
also has a Man Drake feature, which also has a timeline.
So on September second, the Hufflepuff and Gryffindor second years
repot the seedling Man Drakes, and on the evening of
May twenty ninth, they are drunk drunk by the petrified

(25:58):
students in nearly Ellisnik. However that works, that's another show.

Speaker 6 (26:02):
But yeah, I like that much better. I hope they
wait until they either die or natural causes or they're
putting them out of their misery and not just taking
these little teenage human plants and just chopping them up.

Speaker 5 (26:17):
Well, we better move on to the next topic or
I'm going to get hung up on the ethics of
euthanizing Man Drakes.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Well you should join the Man Drake Liberation Front, then,
doncause that is a group that Noah founded and you
should join it.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
I'm a member, so secretary, you're the secretary. Oh cool,
I haven't seen you at a meeting in a while.
That's okay. I don't think we've had a meeting. And
let me check my watch about twelve years, so I
think I think.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
You're good way behind.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
So since we're on the topic of classes and stuff,
I think it's kind of funny that we also then
get at a little chat about curriculum and classes because
they are starting to pick their new subjects for the
next year. And I love how they're like, I just
want to drop potions, and Ron's like I want to
drop Defense against the Dark Arts, and Hermione's like, no,

(27:10):
I'm just gonna take everything, just in true fashion. But
it made me wonder this time because Ron comments when
he's talking about dropping Defense against the Dark Arts her mind,
He's like, you can't drop that. It's super important. And
Ron says, not the way Lockhart teaches it, and fair valid,
one hundred percent valid, But paging Allison, is there actually

(27:31):
a curriculum that the students need to follow? Like that
is Umbrage's biggest only for the.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
First five years, for the first five years, and you
have your core classes that you follow for the first
five years, and your third year you choose. They've got
like what five electives that they can choose two out of,
and then after your fifth year it's entirely based on
what you need to get whatever job you decide at

(28:01):
age fifteen that you're completely committed to, and God help
you if you choose differently and realize later in life
you wish you'd stuck with potions. It just it's a
terrible system.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, it does seem like they do have like a
core curriculum that would be like potions, charms, transfiguration, dada,
and then you get into electives, which is I mean,
that's that's why they can Harry and Ron sign up
for whatever. And then her mind's like, I'm taking it
all because they all go to the same classes except

(28:32):
for the new ones going into third year. So it
seems like the at least first and second year everything's
the same no matter what. And I guess we don't
know if Dada and potions and things like that are
required for fourth years fifth years. We know that Potions
isn't required for six year because you have to get

(28:52):
well to continue on in those classes you have to
get certain owl anyway, that's the same for transfiguration at all.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Yeah, I think of it like I used to think
of it. Like I guess it would be more or
less the same thing I used to think of, like
the sixth and seventh year of pretty much any class
you would take at Hogwarts as AP classes, because to
get into AP class at least where I went to school,
you had to pass the honors level of certain classes
to even be considered for AP classes. And at the

(29:22):
end of your AP classes you were given exams to
get college credit so that you wouldn't have to take
those subjects in college.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, but I think what the funny part about some
of this is is that, let's say that you were
the most average of the average students. You only got
acceptable on all of your owls. You didn't get good
enough grades to go to the new level classes in
sixth year. Shouldn't Hogwarts students be able to leave after
fifth year if they have passed this curriculum. You passed

(29:51):
your classes, you didn't fail, but you weren't good enough
to continue on. Shouldn't you be able to I'm out
It's not for me.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
That's a very interesting option. I don't know if it
usually goes this way in the UK, but I do
know that there are there are kids who drop out
of school in the United States. It happens all the time.
And the difference of course being that for those, you know,
kids who drop out for a variety of reasons, they

(30:20):
have the option to go back and complete their education
if they need to do so later on. But in
the Wizarding World they don't have that option.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Well, but it does seem like European schools are are
more like career versus trade tracks anyway, you know, like
you have you have teenagers and like, oh, say Switzerland,
I'm not don't kill me if it's not correct.

Speaker 5 (30:45):
But it's not gonna kill you.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, it's true. They're very neutral about the killing.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
They're too busy hosting Eurovision next week.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Love it. So there are like exams that teenagers take
the determined really, hey are you going to go to
university or are you going to go into drades? And
there that's happening around this time. So I don't know
why we're never well we're never told that kind of
like ancillary information of what the educational system is here

(31:15):
with Hogwarts and the Ministry of Magic because it doesn't matter.
But I mean, Fred and George essentially do it. They
make it half they're halfway through their seventh year, right, yeah,
when they bounce like and we all know they could
have left after their fifth year and been just as
successful for the most part.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
Well, And that's always been such an interesting question to me,
is that friend George get what two or one w l.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
Three each each three each in each and they don't
say what the actual grades are. They just say that
they get three owls each.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Sure, so are they just taking three classes?

Speaker 5 (31:54):
Probably?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I mean, And so in Josh's scenario, what if somebody
does get acceptables and none of the classes will take them, what.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
Do they do Hermione says when on the question of
what do they do if they fail? Hermione explains that
they discuss their options with their head of house if
they only get acceptables in everything and the standard Even
McGonagall says that the standard for transfiguration at any WT

(32:25):
level is exceeds expectations, and she for that reason tells
Neville Longbottom she doesn't think he'd be able to cope
with the coursework. And in other cases we find out
that Crab and Goyle did not pass their defense against
the Dark Arts ow well, and that they're being expected
to retake it, maybe for show, maybe for other reasons.

(32:48):
But I would imagine that it would depend on a
lot of things, like does the student sometimes do above
average work and they're capable of better, but they got
test anxiety? Or is like because average can mean a
lot of things, you can be the high end of average,

(33:08):
where you show up, you pay attention, you do your best.
It's just you aren't scholastically high achieving, or that you're
the low end of average because you just as I
was frequently. You know, I was trd with this brush
my entire academic life that they just didn't apply themselves.
A number of times I.

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Heard not BookSmart. So that's never been it for me.
I want those I'm not BookSmart. I'm not the type
of person who can sit down and study and remember
something in test on it.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
See, in my case, I discovered a passion for education,
but not until it was too late for me to
really find that particularly useful. Now it's entirely for my
own reasons educating myself on things. If I'd had that
years ago, when I was in school and being graded
on everything. My grades would have been so much better.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Yeah, I'd be a better student now as an adult.
Oh yeah than I was as a kid.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (34:00):
Absolutely, So I think what it is is that there
is a curriculum, but in the Lockhart's case in particular,
is he following it and he's just doing it poorly?
Or is he just doing whatever he wants to do?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
That well, he's doing whatever he wants to do. So,
like what I guess, whenever we're talking about curriculum right now,
we're just we're just talking about classes that you are
required to take and pass to to continue to move on.
The actual like syllabus for these classes are is really
up to the professors teaching them. But we're told in

(34:37):
Order of the Phoenix that Umbridge is taking everybody back
to the basics because they've had such a disjoint of
education and dada up til that point.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
See that's what because I read it as like curriculum,
as in the subject matter for the class, but not
necessarily like required classes. So they have like their foundation
classes and then the advance classes to take them on
their career track.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
And see with the case of those two teachers with Lockhart,
he doesn't only he doesn't want to actually teach them anything,
and he doesn't care about their education or how prepared
they are for jobs or real life or anything. He's
just trying to sell some books. And in Umbridge's case,
she is actively trying to disable their education. She says
the word education and educational probably more than any other

(35:26):
person who gets employed in that school in this entire series.
But the interesting thing about her frequent use of that
word is that education is the very thing that she
is trying to stifle because the ministry thinks that they're
going to form some kind of child's army to overthrow
the Ministry at Doubledore's behest, so she wants to actively

(35:47):
prevent them from learning any kind of magic, let alone
the basics. She literally takes the ones out of their hands.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I think it's wild, though, that these are the classes
they want to drop. Ye I know, potions is because
of snape and defense against the Dark Guards is because
they've had crappy teachers up till now. But m M wild.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
I've seen that. I mean I've seen that, especially you
know at the university level, where you have a little
bit more wiggle rim as far as how you can
fulfill certain requirements. There are certain teachers within certain departments
who teach like it's either they teach a certain subject
or they teach it a certain way, and they gain
a reputation, They become very popular, their classes are very

(36:28):
high demand, so they may even need to teach multiple
sections of the same class to accommodate the demand. Or
it may be the opposite problem that there are teachers
who have subjects that they think like, they have something
they want to teach and they think it's important it'll
fulfill say a humanity's requirement for a degree, but unfortunately

(36:49):
they aren't able to offer the class because they have
to have a certain enrollment to make that happen, and
they don't hit that number. So people add and drop
classes be based on who the professor is. It happens
all the time.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
But not in what you said was right about. It
happens in colleges whenever there are various options, but not here,
but yeah.

Speaker 5 (37:12):
Because you only have one teacher per subject as far
as we can see. But to that end, what I
find interesting about the way that they they get this
information about these classes, which we get much much more
information about these subjects once we're already in it and
we see which subjects kids are taking and which ones

(37:33):
they're not. As it kind of I think what they
should have done is they should have had gathered the students.
You could even do it in one period or one evening.
Gather the students who are getting ready to move on
to the third year, have the professors give a presentation

(37:56):
on their subjects, show them why matters, give them an
actual reason to connect what they could learn from your
class to what they might be expected to do with it.
Because you know what, twelve year olds don't usually get
excited about pamphlets. When was the last time a twelve

(38:19):
year old came running up to you with this incredibly
exciting pamphlet that changed their life? Probably never well, And
really I really liked that idea, Jeff, because we do see.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Career advice in fifth year. Towards the end of fifth
year to move on, I've really I like the Hogwarts
does that, But I don't think that you can give
career advice in second year. But this would allow the
students to really think about what am I interested in?

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Then?

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Like what Percy says, as far as like play to
your strengths, like do things, do things you're interested in,
kind of like all that kind of stuff. Well, if
they're presented with this is what we do in divination,
this is what you can do with Arithmecy. I should
have just stuck with divination. I knew I could say
that and not Arithmesy, but this is what you could do,

(39:11):
and then that that allows that kid to like look
at who they are and go, well, that does sound
interesting to me. I'm going to sign up. I can
sign up for that, and if it doesn't work out,
like who cares, you're enough, you can drop it essentially,
And we see that with Divination and Hermione. I think
that's an excellent idea to force these kids that are
probably that that could be like kind of just not

(39:35):
aware of what you can do with different things.

Speaker 6 (39:38):
Mm A lot like what Percy does do for Harry,
because Harry has no idea what these subjects are. And
I'm just gonna go on record and put it out
here so it's recorded, everybody will hear it. Good job, Percy.
This is a positive person comment.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
For Actually I just did that. I just laughed.

Speaker 6 (40:00):
Actually taking the time to explain some of these subjects
to Harry. I appreciate that he was willing to kind
of step in say hey, this is what it is,
this is what you could use it for. Look at
my dad. This is what he does, and this is
you know, would be helpful for whatever her career you decide.
So I do appreciate him stepping up here.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
He's taking him.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
That's it. That's the whole episode. We're done, no need
to say anymore. Percy Weasley was the best character in
the whole chapter. He was the only one who did
anything helpful.

Speaker 6 (40:31):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Correct, that is that is actually correct? Yes, Percy is
really taking his prefect duties to heart here, Like it's
not about patrolling the halls. It's not about it's about
being a leader in your house for well, in the
in the school, for your younger students, through your or
your peers at least, And that's what he does. He

(40:54):
sees the kid struggling with what is this? What is
this mess that I'm looking at? Explains that I and
then also I am proud of him for at least
like thinking highly of his father here of like, yeah,
Muggle studies, you may think that it's a soft option,
but it is an important subject to have if you're
going to go out and be in Muggle society. And

(41:17):
we talk about this all the time. We see it
in Goblet of Fire when no one knows how to dress,
how to make it, how to do camp sites, like,
how to re And I'm not saying you need to
know how to do all these things. You need to
know where to look to to be a Muggle if
you need to act like a Muggle for a bit,
and no one seems to know like what to actually do.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
And it's wild that they're all so clueless.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
Yeah muggles specifically.

Speaker 6 (41:45):
Yeah about muggles specifically. They're also clueless about Muggle information.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
That's why Muggle studies should be one of these compulsory
classes that should start that one from year one, because
if you think about it, they have flying lessons at
the beginning of year one, and as far as we know,
after year one, they don't have those anymore. Replace that
with Muggle studies, give them Muggle studies at least year
two through five.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, and if you did that, then that would give
these muggle born students that are coming in that have
never been around magic before some confidence of like, hey,
I understand what's happening in one of these subjects. It's
not drinking from the fire hose.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
You know what. They they could drink from a fire hose.
That could be a whole lesson what to do when
drinking from a Muggle fire hose. You know what? Take
a field Muggle studies has the most incredible potential for
Hogwarts field trip days. They could just go on the
London Underground and boom, that's it. They leave school to

(42:49):
ride on a non magical train and observe muggles in
the wild, and then they go back to Hogwarts and
they ride a report about what they saw.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Yeah, I think it's funny. You know we we're sitting
here talking about how they're clueless to Muggles, But how
clueless are you to most of other cultures in the world.
I don't know anything about aboriginals. I felt that they exist.
I don't know anything about most Swedish people, you know

(43:21):
what I mean. It's just it's we talk about this
a lot, like, oh, wizards are so clueless about Muggles. Sure,
but as people, we are clueless about a lot of things.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
But I'm not living among their aboriginal that's that's the
only difference. But I think it's the most important difference.
It's like, if I were living amongst that group of
people and interacting with that culture, then it is on
me to understand them, especially whenever there is a statute
of secrecy law that I keep. So I think that's

(43:52):
the The Ministry of Magic is in the middle of London.

Speaker 5 (43:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 6 (43:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
Well and how many how many wizards live in non
communities too?

Speaker 1 (44:01):
There's another thing, but there's not very many non wait,
there's not very many. Only magical communities left. Yeah, are yeah, right,
So I mean, just let's just call it. Let's just
say nine of the magical community is living among muggles.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
And that's the difference. Really high estimate they they the
way that they dress, the way that they act, the
things that they do when they're living side by side
with this other culture. If we want to think about it,
that way is designed to make sure that the other
culture does not realize they are not one of them.
We are not going to go into, you know, a

(44:43):
society or an area populated by another culture and dress
as them and act as them to try to convince
the people in that culture that we are not us,
because that would be something that would probably probably be
very offensive, especially depending on the culture.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I was just thinking about the math. I mean, if
we believe the author that there are thousand students at Hogwarts,
which is still total bs, the math is not mathing
because anyway, we don't need to get into that for
the seven hundredth time. But that is a thousand students
in all of Great Britain. And right, population of Great

(45:26):
Britain is sixty eight point three five million people as
of twenty twenty.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Three, as of now, but what was it like twenty
five years ago?

Speaker 1 (45:37):
The percentages are still going to show up there. But
I'm only basing this off of we are told that
Hogsmeat is the only all magical community. Is that? Yeah,
so there's one one there's one place that that wizards
live in all of Great Britain.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Maybe I believe you, But are we sure?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Well?

Speaker 5 (45:57):
If they all we believe, then they live in they
live in cabins or you know, they live in cottages
in the middle of the woods that are probably protected
by magic. So they probably live within a few like
within a few kilometers of muggles, but not directly next
door to.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Them, and maybe I'm not making a good enough distinction
between this is a community rather than people just essentially
home setting somewhere, like it seems like the Weasley's probably
like the Weasley. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Yeah. For the record, as of nineteen ninety one, it's
just a year. I picked the population in Great uh oh,
this says, hang on, this changed it Great Britain, not Britain.
Great Britain is fifty seven point four to two million.
Still I hear, Yeah, we can move on from this

(46:52):
because we have gotten way off topic because we're supposed
to be talking about subjects for the third year and
over zealous from.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, so Harmoni signs up for everything. She says that
she just signed up for everything. Harmony's logical, Like I
know that she is ambitious, but she is logical. So
she has to understand there's gonna be a time issue.
If you sign up for everything here, there's no way
to do it all. I don't think that she has
time turner in her head right now, but it's some

(47:24):
time between here in April or wherever we are April
to September. There not only is the plan hatched, it
is approved by the Ministry of Magic and Hogwarts.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
I think I think this signing up for everything was
probably the impetus of that. Yeah, she probably went to
McGonagall or mcgonaga reached out to her and was like,
did you realize you signed up for everything? She's like, yeah,
I want to take everything. McGonagall was like, well, you
know what, maybe we could do the we could sign
up for a special waiver for a thingy magiggie.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Okay, So.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
I think she didn't necessarily know what the outcome would be,
but I think she was so afraid of what happens
if there's a subject that she might be able to
study and she ends up not choosing it, that she
signed up for all of them. And then she imagined

(48:13):
that at some point there was going to be a
conversation between her and McGonagall where they would figure out
some kind of exception, not necessarily time turners, but there
would possibly be the option of I would think half classes,
so she takes half of an arrhythmeency class and half

(48:34):
of an ancient runs class, or alternating weeks, like this
week is a week when she shows up to arithmeency classes,
and then the next week is the week when she
shows up to ancient runs classes or I would also
see Hermione. I can see Hermione doing an entire presentation
on this one summer classes via owl post like she

(48:58):
does a pitch to like. She goes to a professor
vector and says, I want to take a rhythmeancy, but
I think it would be more beneficial to take the
other classes in person. Here's my presentation on why I
think I can successfully take a rhythmecy via owl post
correspondence over the summer if you will agree to do that.

(49:20):
So essentially, I think her it would be a wizarding
equivalent of basically taking online classes for the summer.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I think it's really cute, and I don't mean that
in a demeaning way. You're giving Hermione so much credit
here when really what it comes down to is that
she has anxiety that's at one hundred and twenty percent
and she doesn't want to make the wrong choice, so
she signs up for everything instead of just making a
choice because Hermione more often than not, is not the

(49:51):
best at making a choice.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
And could it also be that she signed up for
everything knowing that there is a possibility that she wouldn't
actually get them all, but because she was interested in
them all, that they would pick you know, one or
two or whatever, put them on her schedule, and that's
what she would get.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Oh yeah, do they have class sizes? Is there a
maximum for each of these? That's a great question. We
don't really see that because there is definitely not a
thousand students at Hogwarts, and the classes definitely would never
fill up. I work at a boarding school. I know,
I've talked about this. Your student population is about six
hundred and sixty kids. Our classes are ten to twelve people.

(50:36):
That's it. I mean, even if you add another three
hundred people to that, the classes are still really small.

Speaker 5 (50:42):
So just to be clear, Kat, you work at a
boarding school, right.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
For a reason?

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Oh yeah, great, all right.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
So Percy then says that we need that Harry should
play to his dress for a career. Harry feels like
his only strength is quiddage, which, K fine, you're twelve.
I get that. He's nice.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I mean at this point it sort of is.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, it's I mean, he's only really good at quiddage.
I mean I feel like he's still getting to see
like he's really good at quiddage and staying.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Alize burning people to death.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yeah, great, burning people to death with his hands, with
his pure hands pure. I don't know, is that corrected
by us? This kind of got me on more of
a thing of like, did I do that? Did I
think my career based on playing my strengths?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I think?

Speaker 5 (51:35):
So?

Speaker 1 (51:35):
Maybe?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
When did you decide to do what you were going
to do? Like you are the one out of all
of us that has a career though none of us,
the rest of us just have jobs. Well, Seamani, would
you consider yours a career?

Speaker 7 (51:47):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Yeah, yeah, so.

Speaker 6 (51:50):
I mean it's not a degree like required situation.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
But yeah, I get I guess more of my deal
was that my career shifted based on my personality. I
guess so, like when I went into engineering school was
because it was just because I was good at math,
And yeah, my career is one hundred percent based on
what I was good at in high school it was

(52:16):
math and science. I went to chemical engineering, didn't like it.
I liked being outside and doing like dirt stuff. So
I went in a civil engineering and then got out there,
graduated with it. And then in my career it has
been shifted toward like project management because I like to
talk to people and solve problems.

Speaker 6 (52:34):
Do you like to talk Josh? What?

Speaker 7 (52:39):
What?

Speaker 3 (52:41):
Yeah? For if I ever actually, and of course I
have done a lot of this with Mugglenett over the years.
I need to stop discounting my experience. I am really good.
I as a raven claw. I am a judgmental person,
and I'm a picky person, and I have a very
sharp eye, I think, and so art direction and that

(53:04):
creative direction and that type of stuff has always been
something that I love and I do do that on
MuggleNet and have done that on MuggleNet for weill seveneen
eight no, two thousand and six, nineteen years, holy f
But I've never really had the chance to do that

(53:24):
as a career. I guess you consider MuggleNet a career
in a way, but not as a paying job because
muggle that makes me no money. But that would definitely
be playing to my strengths as well. For the record,
which is where I was going with that.

Speaker 6 (53:40):
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, and for what I do,
like writing and all of that was something that I
was always into you ever since I was a kid,
And I mean that's what I do now, so definitely
playing to my strengths there. I would never try to
go be like an engineer or something like that, because
I know that's not going to go very well for me. Yeah,

(54:03):
I would you like to chime in here, friend, solid advice.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
I'm sorry, I kind of lost track there. What am I?
What am I chiming in on?

Speaker 3 (54:12):
If you had your ideal career, would it be playing
to your strengths? Like if there was the job that
you could do that you love to do and fulfilled
your heart.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
If I could just have the job that really I
think plays to my strengths and fulfills me, then yes,
I think I'd be qualified for that. It's not so
much a matter of can I do the job. It's
a matter of do I have the certificates and the
other like more formal things that people would say that
I need in order to do it. Because the things

(54:42):
that I do well is that I have a passion
for subject matter. I think I speak well in front
of people. I think I understand on some level. The
difference between like what I guess I'm leading up to
is that I think I may have missed my calling
to be a teacher because I do love to learn
new things. I love to share things with people, and

(55:04):
I have absolutely no problem getting up in front of people.
And I it's a matter of do I have a
teaching certificate? Like did I go to school to study education?
Which I didn't, And there are people who do enter
into that field without those things. But I mean, at
this point, there are so many other things besides just that.

(55:28):
If I could just if I could just know that
the job was out there and that I could have
it without having to go back for several more years
of school, then I think I could do it well
if I had the chance.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Well, I love that, so then yes, this is fantastic advice. However,
they are twelve. I mean did we know these things
when we were twelve? Josh, you probably knew you were
gonna be I mean you were probably always gifted at math.
I mean typically people who are gifted at math.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, but if I could consistently yeah, but if I
could have picked at twelve, I was going to be
like Janks Bond, you know what I mean. So like
sure didn't really get well.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
I always wanted to be a writer or an actor
for a brief period, but very brief brief time.

Speaker 5 (56:08):
But when I was twelve, all I knew was that
I wanted music to factor into it somehow, And that
was part of my problem with when I got to
college was I had no idea exactly how I wanted
to apply that. If I had really been more focused

(56:30):
when I was in my last at least in my
last three years of high school, if I'd really thought
it through, I probably would have gone to school to
study music education. Because I have a bachelor's degree in
vocal performance, I have a master's in choral conducting, so
I know that I know how to do what I'm doing.
But I also know who I'm up against when I

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go out there to apply for jobs and what they've
got that I don't got. And I haven't actively gone
up against those people, but I have a little bit
of insight into what that process is like because I
had a lot of mentors when I was in graduate
school who were very honest with us about what it's
like when you get out there and start doing that.

(57:12):
Not to mention some of my fellow students in grad
school had already done those things. Because I was in
class with doctoral candidates who have actually been out in
the field working these jobs for a couple of years.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
So well, I wanted to be a vet, and then
I realized that I'd have to take medical classes and
cut people apart, and I don't want to do that.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
You had to cut people apart in order to cut
animals apart.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Well that's the doctors agreed.

Speaker 5 (57:35):
You know, one hundred percent agreed. It just I never,
for some reason thought about that's having to cut people open.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
First.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Well, I don't know, but a twelve year old, that's
what I thought. And also I can't watch animals be broken,
so that was very very difficult.

Speaker 6 (57:53):
That would be hard.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Jeff. Yeah, I also thought that music would factor into
my career twelve, but it was like intro.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Music James Bond.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
See, that's the nice thing about like what my other
strengths are like, apart from the things that I mentioned before,
is that I do have musical you know, talent and
ability over years of study, and I know that. And
the nice thing about music, especially, the thing that I
think maybe they should also be reminding these kids of
is that you don't have to use everything that you're

(58:28):
good at for a job, like and it's not that
the things that you're good at can't you know, supplement
your income somehow.

Speaker 6 (58:38):
Like oh, no, sign hustles, Yeah, exact, this is something
you love as a hobby like I. For me, music
would never have been a career that I love playing
and I love music. But aside from like playing for
soundtracks for Hollywood or something like that, it wouldn't it
wouldn't be a career choice.

Speaker 5 (58:59):
But strength there's a lot of different ways to make
that happen. I get hired occasionally to play stuff that
I wrote in places and they pay me for that.
Not enough for me to you know, buy a summer
home or anything. But so what. But it's not about that.
There's a whole there's a whole school of thinking on

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trying to avoid making your passion into your work because then,
depending on how you go about it, you risk actually
losing your passion altogether.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yeah, who didn't lose any passion? Who's that Jenny looking?
Jenny looking for this diary?

Speaker 5 (59:43):
But that was not her? Wait no, I was about
to say, that wasn't her passion. She wasn't possessed when
she was looking for the diary. That was her because
she saw Harry with it was that this chapter when
she saw Harry with it. No, that was that was
before previously, Yeah, that was, but that was that was
during the Valentine's Stay debacle when she saw Harry with it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yes, so they're up in the common room and I
forget which one of them says it Harry or Ron
says but only a Gryffindor, or maybe it's Hermione even
but only a Gryffindor could have stolen nobody else knows
our password. And I laughed out loud, because like, hello,
you are the Gryffindors who broke into the Slytherin comming

(01:00:24):
room like boom, A password is nothing. Sure, maybe the
maybe the portrait would be like you're not a Gryffindor,
but I doubt it, especially if she had been drinking
with Violet and she's just gonna let you in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
She let.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Serious.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Oh that's right, And he had all the passwords. He
was just typing in all the passwords until he figured
out which one has the capital letters and which one
has the right punctuations.

Speaker 6 (01:01:00):
Locked out after three attempts.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
But by the way, I feel like the Slytherin and
the Gryffindor common rooms are the least secure common rooms
because they are just passwords. They are just passwords.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Also, isn't this the book where we learn about poly
Dou's potion and these Gryffindors take some in order to
get into.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
That common room. Yeah, yes, you never think about it
going the other way.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
You're right, I mean they only come it. It is
obviously it's nice knowing the whole series, right, So, like,
just like you were saying, Cads, Serious Black gets in,
so like as we're going through here and and whoever says, well,
they couldn't gone in here they didn't have the password

(01:01:52):
or you know, you had to have the password or
whatever I'm literally going, You'll say, you'll think that in
two years whenever Serious Black is trying to kill U Brant. Well, yeah,
so it's just like I like the hondsight here.

Speaker 6 (01:02:07):
So speaking of only a griffind door knows their password,
we know that it is a Gryffindor who in fact
comes in and steals the diary. And this brings me
back to this rule that the girls can go into
the boys dormitory, but the boys can't go into the girls. Now,
if they had it where nobody could go into anybody's dormitory.

(01:02:28):
This never would have happened. But because they have this
age old idea that girls are more trustworthy than boys,
they're allowed to go in, and thus Jenny gets the diary,
which I mean to me that rules is very sketchy
because girls can be just as untrustworthy as we see

(01:02:52):
because she's going in and he's stealing their stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
They do say it's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
An old rule, right do they even call it an
old time?

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Does her.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
School rule?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Okay? Yeah, I mean school was right.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
Like, I get it, but it's very outdated.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
It's outdated. I don't think it's like a weird rule.
I understand where they got there, you know what I
mean in general terms of like who people think people
are in society. I'm not being a terf. I understand
these are children's books.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
Hey, at least half the founders are female identifying people.
She could have written it where they were all men.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
I said this on the last episode too, And I
really don't want to like bring us down here, but
think about what Shamni just said, and think about the author. Okay,
I don't girls can't go into boys dorms, meaning trans
girls can't go into boys dorms. Sorry, can go into

(01:03:55):
boys dorms, but boys trans boys can't go into Wait,
am I screwing this up? I'm screwing this up?

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
Possibly the author doesn't The author hardly, if ever, comments
on transgender men. It's transgender women that she seems to
have particular venom for. So if, yeah, if you are
a if you are a young trans boy, you can
go into the boys dormitory and she doesn't care. But
if you are a young trans girl who wants to

(01:04:23):
go into female only spaces, it's going to threaten all
of the girls and make them uncomfortable. That's the problem here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
And yet thank you, thank you for saying that better
than I could have than I did, and so where you.

Speaker 6 (01:04:39):
Were trying to go? But I couldn't help because and.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
Yet, if you make it to the level of a
Kuidditch captain or a prefect, they just throw all the
genders into one bathroom. And who gives it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Sure, I mean, I'm gonna we don't we never The
only bathroom we see is moaning Myrtle's bathroom, and they
do specifically say that's a girl's bathroom. But there are
no examples of other bathrooms other than that prefect one,
which is really more of a shower because I don't
think there's like a toilet in there.

Speaker 5 (01:05:15):
They call it a bathroom. Give me a reason, yes,
but they don't call it a bathing room. They call it.
Every other bathroom in that castle has toilets in it.
Give me a reason to think there's no toilets in here,
and I'll think there's no toil.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Not arguing about that, for sure, I just think it's
I think there's little evidence to show. Let's not talk
about genderthroom.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
She sucks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
But I just needed to point that out because it's weird.
And this is why Laurie Kim's podcast is so great,
because she's reading the books. It's called is it Harry.

Speaker 5 (01:05:51):
Potter after twenty twenty?

Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
Yeah, Harry Potter after twenty twenty, And she's really looking
at the books through this lens. And since I've been
listening to the show, this is just like jumping off
the page at me. And so I think when it's appropriate,
it's okay to point it out because that is now
a part of the rereading experience for those of us
who are paying attention to it is fantastic. That's not

(01:06:15):
Laurie is fantastic.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
You should have her on the show like soon.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Maybe you know what, I'll try to get her on
four to fifty.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
You think you can make that happens, We'll.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Say, I feel pretty hard.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
He's gonna.

Speaker 6 (01:06:29):
Work your magic.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I just wrangle the cats.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
And the hound dogs moving on.

Speaker 7 (01:06:38):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
I can't help it.

Speaker 6 (01:06:40):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
It's a couple of days later. The next day, I
don't know, I don't remember. I don't have my book
in front of me. But uh, it's quidditch match day,
quidditch and.

Speaker 6 (01:06:52):
We're all sitting at breakfast. And this might be completely random,
but everyone always tells Harry to eat a good breakfast.
You need a decent breakfast. But I'm thinking to myself,
I don't think I would want to eat a big
breakfast and then get on a broom and fly around.
I feel like the motion from that is going to
make me sick.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yeah, that's no, I'm fully on board with that. I
can only I can only talk to like. I think
that the advisors is just straight coming from hey, trying
to settle your nerves with a full belly. I do
that now. No, I don't have the best I don't
have the best relationship with food, But yeah, food.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
I think it's probably because Quidditch takes place on bread
and like the obviously the beaters and the chasers like
they have to use a lot more of the upper
body to physically handle the things that they're handling, whereas
with Harriet's more about focus and concentration and keeping his
energy up. And I think that's probably where he's coming from,

(01:08:00):
is more of a keeping his blood sugar from getting
too low kind of thing. But this is one of
those things that when when I changed my diet and
when I took up running, I had the good fortune
of being friends with two nutritional experts, one of whom
is a marathon runner, and they made sure that I

(01:08:20):
understood that this is a common misconception that happens with
people who they change their diet or they take up running,
and they get into carbo loading, and they think that
carbo loading is just eating a whole bunch of those
carbohydrates right before an event.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Beta Genie Alfredo, Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:08:39):
Exactly, speaking of the office, eating a whole thing of
betta Genie Alfredo right before running a five k in
the hot sun. The no, no, no, no, for the record,
there's a difference between good carbs and bad carbs. And
if you're going to bulk up on good carbs before
doing a major athletic event like that, it is my
understanding that you want to do that about two days

(01:09:00):
because your body is gonna need time to break down
what you're eating and metabolize your food and turn it
into what your body needs for fuel. So if you're
gonna put a little extra something in the tank for that,
it's not that you can't do it that way, it's
that you have to do it very carefully. But with this,
I would be more worried about having a full stomach

(01:09:21):
and then flying around up in the air, especially Harry,
because Harry has to basically sit and wait until he
sees a glimmer of gold and then he's gotta take
off like a shot, and he's traveling really fast, and
he's got to do swoop detoos and I don't even
know what else they're called on his broom. So yeah,
he if he eats too much, especially if he eats

(01:09:42):
too much of the heavy stuff, and then he goes
up there and he's flying around, he's gonna make himself
throw up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
The good thing is yeah, I mean The good thing
is it's not like a physically active sport, So I
agree with you. I think it would be much less
the movement than and it is the vertigo of it all. Yeah, right,
Like that's the thing for me. But as someone who
used to religiously lift weights first thing in the morning,

(01:10:10):
I can tell you sometimes it's actually better to not
eat before you go and do something that is like
performance enhancing for your body. I don't do that anymore
because I don't need to get up at five in
the morning to go to the gym anymore. That was
something that twenty five year old cat did forty two.

(01:10:32):
Forty two year old cat. It goes to the gym
after work after eating a big granola bar, so you know,
But anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
I would I will say that as a seeker trying
to make all your lofty dudes like you were talking, Jeff,
all of your food that you wouldn't take would be
sitting right in your belly, like in your core and
you but you're on the broom. It could make you
more aerodynamic to like make some of those Lucy, who's
a little so you gotta you can't be too can't

(01:11:04):
be too heavy, but you can't be too lot about this.

Speaker 6 (01:11:06):
Kind of stuff to be just just right, just in
the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Right in the goldilocks of aerodynamics. So after breakfast, we
hear the voice in the walls again. Well, Harry hears
the voice in the walls again. Hermione and Ron still
can't hear anything. But Hermione does get an epiphany moment here,
like in a Eureka thing, and essentially says, I think

(01:11:32):
I don't know what she said.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
She I think I figured something out. I need to
go to the library.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
She goes to the library, and you know that's kind
of that's kind of hermione'sm of going to the library.
We understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
Yeah, And it's funny because this quote that Ron says,
when in doubt, go to the library kills me when
every time I see it on a piece of merchandise
that like then says Hermione granger underneath it. I get
what they're trying to do, but it just bugs me
every time. And so I just needed to vocalize that.
So thank you for letting me stand in myself box

(01:12:05):
for twenty seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:06):
It's associated with Hermione, but she didn't say it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
It's not a quote. Yeah, no, So I mean she
does bolt off. She is going to the library and
like there there there. There has been some discussion of like, well,
why didn't she tell them right then what she had
figured out? But I don't think that she at this
was a thing that she thought could be whatever, but

(01:12:33):
she didn't have it fully fleshed out. And I think
it's very I think it's a very Hermione thing of
I'm not confirmed on this, so I'm not just gonna
start speaking to things I actually don't know about. So
she's going to go confirm it and then and then
report back. We see the same thing in Order of
the Phoenix. Whenever Harry sees the vision of Sirius at

(01:12:54):
the Department of Mysteries, Hermione is like, I hear you,
but we need to do we need to we need
to probably confirm that just to make sure because you
were asleep, trust but verifying yes, And so in this moment,
I think I think we're seeing that of Hermione is, Okay,
I trust that what I think is correct, but I

(01:13:15):
need to verify it before i'd go you ring your
alarm bells?

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Yeah, yeah, because right she would have wanted to tell
McGonagall and would have told Dumbledore and it would have
turned into a whole thing. And she didn't want to
be wrong. God forbidden, God forbid to be wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
Not to mention the previous year when they thought they
realized something that was going on, and they went and
they told an adult, but they didn't have any hard
evidence to back it up. They were dismissed and they
had to do with themselves. So Hermione is now wired
to think, you know what's going to save the day,
Not my gut, not anything that I know, something I
can prove with citations. As Oscar Martinez once said on

(01:13:53):
the Office, she could have she could have just told
them what she knew. But as Oscar once said, there's
no theater in that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
I don't remember that quote.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
Oh that's when Aaron and Gaber playing online scrabble and
he yells at Aaron. Ram says, you yelled. He said,
she said, you didn't have to yell. He's like, there's
no theater in that. There's no yelling in that either.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
Yeah, I played mood, I played mood, I've played moon.
All the things to do with mood.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
Oh like the cow mood yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:14:23):
Oh, my god.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
You know it doesn't have to be all calfing right right?

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Oh Shamani, you gotta get on board.

Speaker 6 (01:14:32):
I'm so lost, so lots.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
It's a quick watch. It's a quick watch.

Speaker 6 (01:14:39):
I need to put it on my list. I'm constantly
hearing about it and seeing memes about it and stuff,
and I'm like, I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
So don't go into it thinking that it's not going
to be slightly problematic at times.

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
Oh oh yeah, well.

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
Like most things. Most things are slightly problematic.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
So years old things I'm used to that you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Twenty years old, just like the book that we are
talking about right now, and the giant snake that is
in the pipes.

Speaker 6 (01:15:05):
The giant snakes wreaking havoc on the castle, which you guys,
how big are these pipes? I have wondered for years.
How is there a giant snake just plopping out of
the pipe into the hallway. I'm petrifying people because this
is where we find out Hermione, Well we don't find out,

(01:15:26):
but this is where Hermione and Penelope get petrified. Where
did the snake come from?

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
It?

Speaker 6 (01:15:33):
Just like I know there was a bathroom. I want
to say there was a bathroom nearby the library or
something like that. So did it come out of the
pipes and just slither into the hallway and petrify them
and then leave.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Or Harmoni told Penelope to use a mirror to check
around the corners, and so.

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
It was just coming around the corner like from wherever,
and then it just.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Like from Myrtle's bathroom, not from where.

Speaker 6 (01:15:59):
Ah, that's right, Myrtle's bathroom. Okay, So there was no
one else in the hallway at the time, like literally
everybody else in the school happened to be outside of
the quidditch match, and it's so giant it had time
to get away before somebody came and found them.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Yes, because things happen in the castle when everybody is
out of quidditch matches, sort of like what happened in
Oh I don't know, book six when Draco's the only
one in the school doing bad things while everybody else
is at a quidditch match.

Speaker 6 (01:16:28):
M hmm. Interesting. I just I think about the massive
size of this basilisk and how it must have taken
some time for it to leather off to where it
came from. You would think that I don't know, somebody
would have seen it as they were coming back into
the school. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Well, somebody did see it, Penelope and Hermione, and yeah
that they did.

Speaker 6 (01:16:53):
And you know, so that just doesn't say it right
with the idea of this giant snake is just roaming
the castle. Ever, just I get it creepy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
I understand. Did you know the basilisk is the symbol
of the Antichrist? Something I learned writing the most recent
book that I'm writing, So I did not know that. Yeah,
but anyway, let's talk about someone who's definitely not the
Antichrist and who is out at the quidditch match.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Why does McGonagall have a big purple microphone.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Know the trial?

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
I guess because oversized objects are hilarious and purple is
an obvious magic color.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
McGonagall is the queen, but McGonagall is not here to
be hilarious.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
McGonagall is here to be unintentionally hilarious. There are some
people who are aware that they're naturally funny and they
use it Dumbledore. There are people who try to be
funny and fail at it, but nobody cares Lockhart Lockhart,
And then there are people who are funny because they
do not realize how funny they actually are. McGonagall. And

(01:18:04):
then there's Maud I'm so old.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Yeah, what else the youngest person on this call? You're
so old? Are you younger?

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Josh?

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
You give me eyes like you're younger.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Yeah, I think you're just a bit older than me.

Speaker 5 (01:18:19):
Yeah, I'm thirty six.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
I'm thirty four.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Oh, second youngest person.

Speaker 5 (01:18:27):
I thought I was drinking enough water. I don't think
I am an anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
I mean no, I think honestly the purple megaphone. We
get a lot of fun, weird things when it comes
to quidditch, and I think that this is just like
a weird quidditch perk, although I think it's it's fun
that you that you pointed it out here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Yeah, I think that. I think that we get a
lot of fun, weird things in the first two books
in particular, where whereas in the fourth book, where the
the voice gives amplified magically that is, yeah, we it's
a transition book, all k stuff, But it's also a
very like professional situation too, so like no more.

Speaker 6 (01:19:08):
Fun, no fun in professional situations, absolutely no fun, no fun.
That's not allowed.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
All right, So now we are back in the common
rooms after gets canceled.

Speaker 6 (01:19:20):
What else is funny, not like haha funny, but like
ironic funny is the fact that Lee is carrying on
and leading this charge to kick the Slytherins out of
the school. But it's actually a gryffind door who's controlling
the basilist at this point, is it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
But it is a Slytherin that's controlling your Gryffindor to
control the bis. This is true.

Speaker 5 (01:19:42):
It's it's not only a Slytherin, it's the Slytherin who
is controlling through a gryffindor proxy to absolve himself of pla.

Speaker 6 (01:19:53):
Oh, this is true, But still a Gryffindor has her
hand in it, which I was moving on. So they
also talk about once McGonagall has talked to everyone and
everyone's back in the common room and what have you,
they're talking about doing patrols at night. So I'm thinking

(01:20:18):
to myself this basilisk which they don't know it's a basilisk.
They don't know what it is. They just know that
it's something. So what were they planning to do if
they did happen to come across whoever was doing this?
Were they just assuming that this was like a student
or a professor maybe or something. I don't know who

(01:20:40):
would have the power to petrify people other than a basilisk,
because we don't know of any other situations. But what
were they going to do?

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
I don't think they're actually there to prepare to combat
the monster. I actually think that these people patrolling the
corridors are just trying to make sure that nobody violates curfew.
And every time they set people up to patrol the
corridors to make sure people don't violate curfew. You know what,

(01:21:09):
Harry and Ron do immediately violate curfew.

Speaker 6 (01:21:13):
But what happens if they do violate curfew and the
does show up? What happens now, because everybody like that's everybody,
they would they.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
Would they die, Yeah, they would die.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
That right there is the horror alternate universe, Harry Potter
Chamber of Secrets.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
We all need everybody died.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Once there's book enters the public domain in fifty whatever years,
somebody write that publish it, like that horror movie Pooh,
that Pooh horror movie.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
Yeah, yeah, the Winnie, Yeah, the Winnie, the Pooh, Blood
and Honey.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Yeah, that's a hard pass.

Speaker 5 (01:21:56):
Don't get me started. I have a lot to say.

Speaker 6 (01:22:00):
Will be here.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
Okay, let's go to Hagrid's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
I want to hang on. I want to talk about
the patrols first. Okay, so you know sell me. I
do think it's both. I think the patrols are there
to find the culprit, which they don't know, the basilisk,
and make sure that none of the students are out.
But these patrols are not being done by Hermione Granger,

(01:22:23):
Colin Creevy, uh just to League, uh, Justin Finch, Fletchley,
and a ghost. They're being done by hogwarts. Professors that
that because they don't know that it's a basilisk, they
do it's an odd thing that's happened. The petrification is
an odd I guess outcome for whatever is happening out

(01:22:44):
there or what could be out there. And I think
that they believe that the professors can, I guess, like
stand up for themselves, not standing for themselves, but like
protect themselves the way that the students can't. So I
don't think that they know what they're gonna do. They
just expect that like professor will be able to take
care of it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:03):
It'll be something that they can handle.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Or I'm wrong and they all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Die and everyone.

Speaker 6 (01:23:10):
That's it, you know the book. Everybody said thank you
for coming.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
And now we're at Haggard's.

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
For Harry and Ron have violated curview and are creeping
around the castle and Haggard answers the door with what
a crossbow? Who was he expecting to show up at
his door? Was he expecting the minister because he knew
that they would suspect him for whatever was going on
at the castle. What was he going to do with

(01:23:39):
the crossbow? Was he going to shoot him?

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:23:41):
What? What? What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
I think that it's more possible that after the fifty
years ago incident when Haggard got expelled, I think that
it's very possible that there was a lot of vichery
all that was spewed toward Haggard from students of Hogwarts,
possibly professors or and especially parents of Hogwarts students, because yes,

(01:24:07):
it happened to Moting Myrtle, But if they truly believe
that Hagrid released a monster and it killed someone, a
lot of other parents would also think all that student
could have been my child that died. So I wonder
if he is, if he's almost having flashbacks of like
something's happening at the school. I have nothing to do

(01:24:29):
with it, but I'm getting blamed for it. And some
of that venom that was spewed up me fifty years
ago is coming back. And so then he's worried about
actual violence coming upon him because you know, he has
the crossbow whenever Harry and Ron get there, but he
doesn't have the crossbow whenever Dumbledore and Fudge come to

(01:24:52):
the door. Right, So, like, I just I think that
he's in his hut scared.

Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
That's national support crossbow. Some people go to sleep with
Teddy bears, some people go to sleep with their cats.
Hagrid sleeps with his crossbow.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Folks. It's fight or flight. Yeah, like Josh said, he's scared.

Speaker 6 (01:25:11):
So this was his self his self defense weapon. He
was ready for whatever was coming to his door.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Whatever's coming. And we don't we don't know why he
had to put up with the first time around, because
you know, I mean, it's it's it's the same kind
of deal. He's getting blamed for it fifty years later,
and you know, we'll see him getting taken get taken
to Azkaban, but previously, like the school is right there,

(01:25:39):
you know, like the school that someone died because of
a monster that they think that you released. Is there,
all those students except for Marrie Martle continued on, And
you're working at the school now, they see you every day.
Imagine the hatred that was spewed at him, the threats
that were spewed at him, all these kinds of things.

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And I think that I think that that is a
possibility that he is worried that if it's happening again,
those students that were there may have grandkids that are
at Hogwarts now and he's going to have that same
that same treatment.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
I'm speculating doesn't want his He just doesn't want his
friends to, yeah, to think about him that way, because
he knows he's innocent. So that makes sense, That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
But no, I do not have receipts for this, because.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
That's okay. The listeners will find their receipts. But let's
talk about Cornelius Fudge, the namesake of our chapter. He
shows up and ron here in hermione and go hiding
in the corner under the invisibility cloak. Thank goodness, they
had it with them.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
Oh is hermione with them.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
Like one of those things. It rolls off the tongue
like Harry running hermione.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
One of them is exactly in their hearts.

Speaker 5 (01:27:05):
You should have what you should have a sign that says, go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Aw well if he if he just holds up signs
the whole time, then how's he gonna podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
I'm doing pretty effecta.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
I think he's handled it. Cornelius Fudge.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
I like how your sign is getting.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
I thought about that at the end of the episode. Listeners,
you all could start. You could watch the video of
this and see my doodles.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
First it said laugh. It was just one singular pen line,
and now it's gotten darker and now there are scribbles
on it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:38):
The evolution I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
Going to get. I'm going to get a message from
Catherine that says, can you not do that? Please?

Speaker 6 (01:27:46):
The crinkling of the paper.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
But anyway, Cornelia is fudge.

Speaker 5 (01:27:51):
So Cornelia's fudge. This guy he shows up, and I
just want to jump to this point real quick. This
is our very first time meeting him, and he immediately
tells you exactly what kind of person you're dealing with.

(01:28:11):
He is here to escort someone to prison without adequate
proof of arrest. He admits to this person's face that
it's just a precaution and that he'll be let out
with a full apology if someone else is caught.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
This is he yeah, duh, bro Yeah, Cornelius Fudge is
He's under a lot of public pressure to do something.
So what he's doing is putting somebody in jail just
so he can say he puts somebody in jail, Absolutely
no consideration for what kind of effect this is going

(01:28:54):
to have on Hagrid or anyone else for that matter,
because I guarantee they don't hire a substitute gamekeeper or
grounds keeper or everything else Hagrid does. They don't bring
an attempt to cover his responsibilities while he's gone. They
just want to chuck him in jail so that they
can say they chucked somebody in jail, and that's gonna

(01:29:15):
mollify the public for like how long. Because what happens,
what he doesn't have an answer for, is what happens
if we put Hagrid in jail, we find out that
it was somebody else, but in the meantime they actually
succeed in murdering somebody, then it's gonna be worse.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
Well, and it's funny because on the other hand, he's like, oh,
let's just take Hagrid and throw him in jail. But
on the other hand, Lucia's Maulthfoye shows up and is like, Hey,
we're gonna suspend Dumbledore. And he's like, oh, wait a minute,
you can't do that, because he's thinking, I need I
can't figure this out without Dumbledore. What you can't you
can't you can't do that. I don't have total authority here.

(01:29:53):
It's just he's such a I don't want to say
a dichotomy, but like two faste, I guess.

Speaker 5 (01:30:01):
Can we say dumbas on the podcast? Can we say that?

Speaker 3 (01:30:04):
Of course we can.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
Okay, he's a dumba.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
I said the word it Cornelius.

Speaker 5 (01:30:10):
Fudge is a dom.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
It's fun to say. All I heard you say Kat
was bleak. It's weird.

Speaker 5 (01:30:20):
That's another thing I said a bitt ago that he
lets you know exactly what kind of person you're dealing
with the first time we meet him. It's also you
want to talk about a dichotomy the first time we
meet him. In this chapter, he is double Door's defender.
He's saying, if double Door can't stop this. Nobody can

(01:30:41):
stop this. Last thing we want is double Door gone.
And the last.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
Time we see him in these books, he's reprimanding Dumbledore,
who he tried to arrest for doing things in front
of the Minister of Magic.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Yeah. I mean it's not just a fudge problem either though.
I mean scrim Door puts uh stand and jail without
any real reason, you know what I mean, It's.

Speaker 5 (01:31:08):
Not just a.

Speaker 6 (01:31:10):
Thing, yeah, which is so extreme though, Like if they're not,
it's like throwing them directly into prison, no trial, no laws,
no nothing is there not? Like I mean, I don't
know a lot about prison because thankfully you know that's
never been an issue because your girl is not prison

(01:31:32):
material at all. But isn't there something that's equivalents like
county lock up where we just go and put you
in a holding cell until we find out what's going on.
That's crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:31:45):
We have one school, we have one government, we have
one jail. One sound crazy? Now, since we mentioned stand
shun Pike and scrim Draw, I do just want to
say this. When they arrest Stan Shunpike. He was overheard
discussing death theater plans in a pub and that is

(01:32:06):
published in the newspaper. So the difference there is they
are being more transparent about the cause they think they
have to arrest certain people. In this case, they're arresting
Hagrid based on circumstantial evidence that is fifty years old,
and they never explain that to anybody. We know why

(01:32:30):
Hagrid being sent to jail is a precaution.

Speaker 4 (01:32:33):
But nobody else does.

Speaker 5 (01:32:35):
And when Fudge says he'll be let out with a
full apology, what does that even mean anyway? But they'll
say sorry to Hagrid and then just send him back
to school, because surely we aren't supposed to believe that
Fudge is going to tell everybody after the fact what
they did and why no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:32:50):
No, Yeah. Obviously the whay behind what is happening is
disgusting in itself. But you know, talk about Fudge's character,
just like his I'll just say backbone almost it says
the era of right. It says in the chapter that
he can't even look Haggard in the eye, so like

(01:33:11):
he knows what he's doing isn't isn't like cool, But
it's like I gotta do something, so I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
You know, it wasn't the Minister when Hagrid was the
first time.

Speaker 5 (01:33:24):
No right, no, no, no, no, that was fifty years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
Yeah, Fudge became minister after the last War. Yeah, because
it was gonna be. It was gonna be.

Speaker 5 (01:33:34):
Because he was Junior Minister in the Department of Magical
Actendants and Catastrophes when Peter Pettigrew allegedly got blown up
by Sirius Black.

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
Yeah, right, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Yeah, it was going to be crouched and then crouched
Junier got caught doing that. Then he went out and
they wanted Fudge war.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
Millicin Bagnold, Yes, Millicin Bagnold was was, No, she was
nineteen eighty and nineteen ninety, so fifty years ago would
be forty six, So that would be Leonard Spencer Moon.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
However, that's kind of a fun name, Leonard Spencer.

Speaker 5 (01:34:09):
Now, speaking of headmasters and things like that, I'm a
little disappointed with Dumbledore because think about it like this,
Dumbledore does not fight as hard as he should to
keep Fudge from arresting Hagrid. He hates the Dementors more
than anybody, as we find out, and Kat has pointed

(01:34:31):
this out in this episode already. We have the benefit
of a bird's eye view, and we've read the whole series,
so we can look back on this with hindsight, and
we can say this now, but Dumbledore, even without knowing
his extreme dislike of dementors, he should have fought harder
to keep Hagrid from being arrested, because since we know

(01:34:52):
how much he hates dementors, and he knows better than
anybody what Hagrid has been through, because he's basically been
looking out for Hagrid ever since he first arrived at Hogwarts.
He may be the only person alive, definitely in this
room who understands the full impact of what they are
about to do to Hagrid. Because they aren't just putting

(01:35:14):
him in a jail cell at the Ministry so that
they can say that he's there until they figure out
what's really going on. They are torturing him twenty four
hours a day for however long he's in there.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
This is it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:28):
They give Hagrid more of a punishment for existing under
unfortunate you know, circumstantial evidence. They give him a harsher
punishment than they give actual death eaters.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
In this series, it's almost like, no, I'm not going
to go there do it money here later. No, no,
I'll tell you later there later. It's almost like sending
someone to a prison outside of the country who doesn't
belong there.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
Shots hard lot.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
That's all. Yeah, But I'm with you. I think that Dumbledore,
I think he let down Hagrid here he did.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
All he says is I want it known. Hagrid has
my complete confidence.

Speaker 6 (01:36:20):
But you know, so he's got double Doore's confidence and
an apology right.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
There, ain't no patronis that's not gonna fight any dementors away.
And you know the law better than Fudge does because
you serve on the Wiz and Gamat. He just gets
to sit there in a fancy had because he's the
Minister of magic figure it out.

Speaker 6 (01:36:40):
But then if he had fought for Haggard Moore, what
would have happened a few minutes later when Nasty Lucius
comes walking in and they're removing Dumbledore from his post.
So now Dumbledore is removed too, So anything that he
just said to defend Hagrid is and undone.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Well, I think, I mean, doesn't Fudge say something here
about like, yeah, we were just talking about how Fudge
stands up for Dumbledore, which is funny because later on
he doesn't right remember very quickly here, Yeah, he's a
flip flopper. But I mean, I think my point here
is that Fudge does not take Lucius seriously. Yet he

(01:37:25):
will soon because money and corruption in government and all
of that stuff. But I think that Fudge is still
at the point in his career where he's not full
blown corrupt. Yet he's getting there.

Speaker 6 (01:37:40):
He's partially corrupt, partially corrupt.

Speaker 5 (01:37:43):
Yeah, oh please. I refuse to believe that the corruption
did not start until he had the top job. I refuse.
Sometimes that's how you get the job.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
I mean sometimes I I like to think. I think
he doesn't have a lot, but Fudge does have some principles,
and I like to think that, like most elected leaders
at the end of a war, they get that job
for a reason. It may not be something another real
world example. Look at Rudy Giuliani, Like, I really don't

(01:38:19):
the person he was when nine to eleven happened, how
revered and like all like he was the country's mayor,
right like everybody loved that guy, And now look at him.
People get elected or get put in jobs at a
specific time in life for who they are in that
specific moment, whether that's good or bad.

Speaker 6 (01:38:39):
And you might start with good intentions and then the
corruption in eventually the system gets you. And yeah, that's that,
and that's a wrap. I just want to point out
how nasty Lucius is, and that's how despicable this man
is to come first of all, busting into his house

(01:38:59):
in the middle of and then to insult his house
like he's so bad that even fang is growling. And
I mean, you know that you're bad when the dog
doesn't like you. Come on, come on, But.

Speaker 5 (01:39:13):
I can't speak without an insult.

Speaker 6 (01:39:15):
Oh, he's so gross. But we talked about in a
previous episode the school governor's situation and who the rest
of the school governors are, and we know that in
this particular case, it's most likely other parents and I
before I would be like, oh, how could they be

(01:39:35):
manipulated by Lucius and just go ahead and sign the
paperwork to have Dumblesore removed. But thinking about it now,
if they believe that nothing is being done about what's
happening at the school right now, it probably would have
been easy for him to go in and say, hey,
you know, we need to remove Dumbledore. We need to
find somebody else that's actually going to do something, so

(01:39:57):
it may not have been as far fetched as Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Also, money talks, and Lucius is influential. He is described
and sounds like he's a gorgeous human being. I mean,
if you look at his movie depiction, yes he is.
You know, the Malfoys are influential. They're rich, they're good looking,
they're white, they're blonde.

Speaker 5 (01:40:20):
You know, are you saying they're.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
In this society who wouldn't listen to them?

Speaker 5 (01:40:25):
I mean, come on, they refer to themselves as pure
bloods and you just described them as having blonde hair.
And I'm pretty sure did you say blue eyes or
did my unconscious brain insert that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:34):
I said white with blonde hair, But.

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
Whites blonde hair. They call themselves pure bloods. They they
want to indicate.

Speaker 3 (01:40:43):
That theaters are not essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:40:47):
Uh shelmy to your point about like what Lucius could
have said to the other governors, get them to son.
At the end of the book, Dumbledore's talking to Lucius,
it says very strange tales they told to several of
them seem to think that you had threatened to curse
their families if they didn't agree to suspend me in
the first place.

Speaker 6 (01:41:07):
Oh, you're right. See, this is what happens when you
read it out of order and you don't read the
whole book.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
Please. We have been trying to tell our listeners that
for however many years now. Yeah, yeah, just remember the
days where you'd comment and be like, I can't believe
you guys forgot that, and be like, yeah, bro, I.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
May have done that. I don't think I feel like
I gave some grace in that situation.

Speaker 3 (01:41:30):
I'm just giving you some cramp.

Speaker 6 (01:41:33):
We know it is.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
So this time I did think that it's interesting. This
is the first time that like, well it's first time
we ever like see Fudge obviously, but I wonder if
this is the first time that his authority is challenged
in such a way that it is. I think I
feel like it is a disrespectful challenge from Lucius to

(01:41:57):
the minister here of Well, you know, fud says you
can't remove Dumbledore all this kind of stuff, and then
Lucia says, well, it's not up to you, it's up
to the governors. You don't have any say over that.
And so I kind of want to like just play
a little game here of is this the first inkling

(01:42:19):
of I need to have more authority over Hogwarts. And
so then like educational, the crews start, and especially if
it's mentioned to the lower sumbradge back at the Ministry, Yes, okay,
yeah for sure, quick game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
And again, you know, it's as someone who is so
entrenched in this in her mungle life, it is so
hard not to make the comparison of like again, what
is happening right now with the administration and private schools
like Harvard University. It's like who is allowed to make

(01:42:58):
the decisions at a school. It certainly isn't Fudge In
this case, Lucius, I think, is the one who has
the right to make that decision. Fudge just doesn't like it.
So as he continues down the road to corruption.

Speaker 5 (01:43:15):
Insofar as his he's going to change it position. Yes,
Lucius Malfoyd does have the authority to you know, he
and the other school governors do have the authority to
suspend school officials, regardless of how the Minister of Magic
feels about it. But this is not twelve ministers unanimously

(01:43:36):
agreeing that this is because of Dumbledore's failure and he
needs to be removed. This is one person with a
vendetta who is very shadily going behind the scenes and
threatening to curse other people's families if they don't do
what he wants, so that he can use his position
and abuse his position to get rid of somebody with
whom he has moral and philosophical differences.

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
Yeah, I mean in this, in this moment, nobody knows that.
But yes, you are one correct. Yeah, isn't it fun
to be one hundred percent correct?

Speaker 5 (01:44:06):
It just the fact that there's no plan for any
of this. You know, Hagrid is removed, no plan for
how to replace him, double Door is suspended, we never
get another headmaster from the time he is suspended until
the time he returns, which.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
It would be it would be McGonagall, isn't that long, Well, yeah,
it would be mcgona Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:31):
Well yeah, she's deputy headmistress. But then we even hear
Draco talking about how Snape should go for the job
and how he'll tell Father he's the best teacher there
and he would have Father's vote if he wanted to
go for it. And still so the plan it just

(01:44:52):
they have now the double Door's gone. Nobody. Meanwhile, we're
still not addressing how do we find out what this
thing is and how do we deal with it. We're
worried about the politics of keeping up appearances by imprisoning
Hagrid and suspending Dumbledore. But nobody has any suggestions about

(01:45:13):
how to figure out what this thing is and stop it.
And I'm thinking, what that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
I don't think that Fudge doesn't have that plan. Lucius
doesn't care what's happening. No students, actually Fudge fudges. Fudge's
plan is, let's get rid of Hagrid so I can
show that I'm doing something, and that he he says
to Lucius. If Dumbledore can't get rid of whatever's happened
and nobody can.

Speaker 5 (01:45:39):
Then who can. Yeah, exactly. The government is dealing or
not dealing with a massive catastrophe that threatens the lives
of an entire population, and the government has no effective
plan in place to deal with the fallout.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
Imagine that ground, imagine that.

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
Like that, maever happens for like two years. But we
could be talking about anything, Yeah, we could.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
But so the end of this chapter, in like the
next couple interactions are so good. There's some of my
favorite I love it so much. They do a good
job with it. In the film as well. And I
feel pretty confident that we've talked about this before. But
that's okay, it's been thirteen years. We can repeat ourselves occasionally, right,
How did Dumbledore see through the cloak? If it's a hello?

(01:46:33):
I know Matt E. Moody can see through the cloak,
but he has a magical eye, and as far as
we know, Dumbledore's eyes are not magic. They might be
ice blue and beautiful, but they're not magical.

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
So how I never thought he could see through the cloak.
I thought he was just looking in that direction because
he's clever enough to know that Harry and Ron are
probably in the room, and he knows that magic leaves
traces even if you can see through the invisibility cloak.
I would think that Dumbledore. I mean, he's the one
who had this cloak in his possession when Harry's father died.

(01:47:08):
He had occasion to examine it. And I know that
I use magical energy as a stand in for you know,
it's like the magical version of black matter when I
don't know what else to call it. But I would
think that the magic that you know emanates from an
indelible invisibility cloak like this probably just hits different to

(01:47:28):
someone who's in tune with magical energy, as Dumbledore probably is,
so he can probably tell if it's nearby.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
I think that we're thinking about this too much or
too hard. They were just drinking tea, and isn't that
why we're here.

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
Yeah, it's like, if we're not going to think too
hard about these small details, then why are we here?
Schapters twenty five minutes long on the audiobook.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
They were just drinking tea and eating fruitcake. And when
the door, when whoever knocked on the door, Haggard dropped
the fruitcake, and we see in Order of the Phoenix
when Numbers comes over that there are other dishes out
while they're hiding, and she goes, you'd set the table
for three and there's only one of you where you
expected company. I don't expect Fudge to be that observant.

(01:48:12):
I don't expect Lucius to be that observant. I do
suspect Dumbledore to be that observant when he knows who
Harry and Ron are. Also, when they walked in the door,
Ron spoke from that corner. Harry elbowed him in the side,
which once again I don't think that Fudge is like
up in like keeping up with like all the sounds

(01:48:35):
that are going on. But I do think Dumbledore is
very perceptive and very observant of what's happening around him.
So I think those are two things that really point
out that Dumbledore would have picked up the other people
were there. He also expects them to be there.

Speaker 6 (01:48:49):
Yeah, that's a very logical explanation because I totally just thought, oh,
he can sense the magic that's over in the corner,
and that was it your answer. So it's actually very
in depth, gosh, very in depth, lots of observation that
I would not have seen.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
I don't have an applause, son, Sorry, get on.

Speaker 3 (01:49:09):
It, Okay, I can accept all of that. I think
that we as a fandom slash community, probably because of
how they portray it in the film, that has just
leaked over into us believing that Dumbledore can see through it. Yeah,
because I did just reread all the passages and it
just says that for a second, hairy thought that Dumbledore's

(01:49:32):
eyes flicked to that corner. But maybe that's the only
empty corner where two twelve year old boys could be
hiding under a visibility cloak.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
It's fair fair for us.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
But we do get some really awesome lines at the
end here again, just to sort of wrap up this
really actually very very interesting chapter.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
Yep. So I do I love the lines while we
get from Dumbledore. They're they're pointed and vague at the
same time, which are which is really nice. It's it's
vague to the people in the room that aren't. I
don't even know if they're that pointed, if if Harry
would view it as being pointed to him, but it's
things that he needs to know later at least. And

(01:50:15):
what I'm talking about is Dumbledore saying, you will find
that I will only have I will only truly have
left the school when none here are loyal to me.
And then also you'll always find find that help will
always be given the Hogwarts to those who ask for it,
you know, giving very you know, given qualities upon a
castle that you wouldn't normally have in a building itself.

(01:50:38):
But it is I I just I love those lines
because Dumbledore is playing a three D chess game here
of I'm telling you exactly what you need to hear,
and no one else is going to understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
Yeah, and I think he I think he learned the
things that Harry needs to hear based on his past
experience with Tom Riddle, because if you look at if
if you look at some of those things, they could
also apply to things that you know. They could also
be things that Tom needed to hear at certain points, yep,
for different reasons, which I think is really cool. But

(01:51:13):
that is Dumbledore's essence really.

Speaker 1 (01:51:16):
I mean, Vagan pointed, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:51:20):
Vague and pointed, I'm very subtle, unlike Haggrid.

Speaker 1 (01:51:24):
Which is the exact opposite of what we get from
had here.

Speaker 6 (01:51:27):
Follow the spiders not a leader, right, sir? Really lead
him right where into their arms.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
That's not even the annoying part to me. The annoying
part of of what Haggard says there is that you
have this beautifully crafted statement from Dumbledore, too hairy but
no one think, and then you just have Haggard just
coming down with a heavy hand of like follow the spotters,
and I'm like, what are what did? What are we

(01:52:02):
talking about? Why are we talking about spiders? Why are
we talking about now? As far as feeding thing, like
I guess he could be telling Fudge, Hey, somebody needs
to feed my dog. Now, if you're sending me to prison,
you need to make sure my dog gets faed. But
it's like, fine, what's up, Jeff.

Speaker 5 (01:52:19):
Now? Double Door may give us the more quotable line,
but Hagrid gives us the bigger moment. Because Dumbledore says
quotable stuff that you put on t shirts and that
people that fans have gotten on tattoos and put on
merchandise all the time. It's weird if Dumbledore doesn't say

(01:52:40):
something like you will always find that help will always
be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it.
That's the kind of stuff Dumbledore always says. But Hagrid says,
if anybody was looking for some stuff, all they'd have
to do would be to follow the spiders that would
lead him. Right now, he's he's obviously speaking to Harry

(01:53:02):
and to Ron because he's telling them where they can
go to find the answers, Which brings us back to
where we started with this conversation, which is it doesn't
matter what he intended. It was a bad idea sending
them out there. But what this moment actually gives us
is a perfect example of how little notice people pay
to Hagrid. He is being arrested by the Minister of

(01:53:25):
Magic himself, not even in underling the minister is here
to take him to jail. He is telling the Minister
where he could go to find proof of what happened,
and he wouldn't know. Is this proving that Hagrid is
innocent or guilty? Is this proving that someone else is
behind it? It doesn't matter. He straight up says right

(01:53:49):
in front of Fudge, follow the spiders if you're looking
for stuff, because as far as Fudge knows, Hagrid's talking
to him, and then he doesn't do it. There's no
follow up. He doesn't dispatch anybody to follow the spiders
to look for any evidence. So it just proves how
little notice people actually pay to Hagrid.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
I don't disagree with you, However, Hagrid was too vague.
If he wanted that clue to be given to Fudge
as evidence of his innocence, he should have said, listen,
that spider that used to live in the cupboard in
the school and now lives in the Forbidd forest. You
could go talk to him and he will tell you

(01:54:28):
that he is not the creature that is killing things.

Speaker 6 (01:54:31):
But and then do you immediately after and nobody would
know still so well.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
Not if Hagrid were with him, that is.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
But if Hagrid tells them exactly what they're about to
walk into, then Fudge goes in prepared, then he would
probably be worried. If Fudge goes in knowing he's about
to face a giant pit of acromantula, he could bring
the right reinforcements to destroy them all he would want.
If he would want him wandering in, he would probably

(01:55:03):
want him want in wandering blind. He would have to
be vague, otherwise he might risk Aragog and his family
being exterminated.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
I mean, yes, but he I don't think, I hear you.
I don't know that he's too worried about that.

Speaker 5 (01:55:22):
But he has no problem. He sends twelve year olds
in there unarmed.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
That's that's what I mean. I think he has no
problem worrying about things or other people dying.

Speaker 6 (01:55:33):
But he assumes that they won't hurt them.

Speaker 5 (01:55:36):
Yeah, friends there, Yes, that's exactly it. That's the difference.
He doesn't mind Harry and Ron wandering in blind because
he thinks that Aragog won't hurt any of his friends
if they can prove that Hagrid sent them in there
to learn information. But if ministry people go stomping in

(01:55:56):
there completely unprepared, they're going to act a fool and
Hagrid no stop.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
I disagree. I think Hagrid does not believe that the
zachromancula would hurt a flaw.

Speaker 5 (01:56:09):
What does he think?

Speaker 6 (01:56:11):
He thinks they're like puppies, I take.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
I think that I think that that is how Hagrid
views these these creatures, is that they will not hurt
you because everyone is half giant and con two animals had.

Speaker 5 (01:56:28):
He almost gets him. Let you know what, He almost
gets himself ate up. When he goes to try to
get A's body so he can bury him, he almost
gets himself eating up.

Speaker 6 (01:56:39):
Oh, Hagrid, poor misguided Hagrid.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
Well that was fun. Yep, everyone, Okay, you did it
on the last episode. Didn't like it, then.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
That's why I did it again.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
But I'm just kidding, all right. Our next our next
episodes will be a chapter revisit of order. The phantous
chapter twenty sixth Scene and Unforeseen at.

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
Least is not a character chapter, right? Is that a
trelawny chapter?

Speaker 4 (01:57:12):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:57:13):
Scene and Unforeseen is wait?

Speaker 1 (01:57:16):
No, yes, isn't isn't that? The yes is that the attack.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
The attack on Arthur.

Speaker 5 (01:57:24):
No scene is right after no Scene and Unforeseen is
the one where they publish the story about Harry's interview
and it goes viral and then at the end Trelawney
gets fired. So it's not a Trelawney chapter, but it
has a big Trelawney moment.

Speaker 6 (01:57:41):
Got you, okay, bringing back divination for a hot second.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
That's right. I was going to say, at least we're
not talking about batties, but Umbridge is in it, So
sorry folks.

Speaker 5 (01:57:52):
Trying to burn books and censor people's right to information.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
He would do nobody gros.

Speaker 5 (01:58:01):
Well.

Speaker 6 (01:58:02):
Just remember that you can follow us on pretty much
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Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
This has been episode fifty four of the final one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
I'm Josh, I'm Shamani, I'm Jeff.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
And I'm Kap. Thank you for listening to episode four
hundred and fifty four of Aloha Mora.

Speaker 5 (01:58:27):
If anyone was looking for some stuff, then all they'd.

Speaker 7 (01:58:31):
Have to do would be to open.

Speaker 5 (01:58:33):
The double door. YEP, I didn't need it, right, That's
all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Aloha Mora is produced by Tracy Dunstan.

Speaker 6 (01:58:55):
This episode was edited.

Speaker 5 (01:58:56):
By Catherine Lewis.

Speaker 6 (01:58:58):
Aloha Mora was co created by Noah Freed and Kat
Miller and is brought to you by APWB d LLC.

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
This is episode four hundred and fifty four of Alokhimra
for May thirty first, twenty and twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
Would do that again without a hesitation?

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Do you already know what the hesitation was for? Because
I was, I like, I was sid eyeing it, and
then I looked back and I thought that it said
thirty fifth, May thirty fifth, and it was cool. That
is not a date.

Speaker 5 (01:59:37):
It's my eleveny hundred and first birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:59:40):
So I was taking what I thought that I saw
and being like, that's not it. It can only be
the first

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