COS, 16 Revisit: Ghost Oreos

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This is episode three hundred and seventyfive of A Loho Mora for June thirty,
two thousand and twenty three. Welcometo another episode of A Loho Mora,

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the bandom's original Harry Potter book.I'm Seamni Willis, I'm Cat Miller,
I'm Ashur Shoulder, and today we'rejoined by a very special guest who
is my teacher. So I'm goingto call them Jay law Um, but
our guest is Julia Lawrence. Welcome. I'm so excited to have you.
Do you want to plug anything orlike, you know, give a little
introduction to yourself. You can doPotter stuff or just like general information,

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whatever you wanna give. Yeah,sure, I would recommend not following me
on social media unless you like toread absolute trash on Twitter, which is
like ninety of what I do withsocial media. But my day to day
business, I teach high school English. I love every second, most seconds

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of it, and yeah, it'sbrought me a lot of joy. Now,
as for Harry Potter, I wasyou know, I was in college
when most of the really big bookscame out. I was the only one
smart enough to run to the grocerystore rather than the bookstore on debut days
because nobody thinks to go to safeway to buy a book. But it's

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been a while since I've revisited theliterature itself. I have distanced myself from
it somewhat over the last couple ofyears for reasons obvious reasons, yes,
but it's actually been kind of fun. Now. I got this sweet vibe
from Asher, and I am readyto dive in and get a little cracky

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nice. If you all are watchingthe episode, you would already know this.
But Julia, you're a hofflepuff.Yep. I'm definitely one of those
and the rest kind of people sortof content not to find. But if
you're gonna call me anything, callme nice, call me fair and definitely

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not brave, smart but not wise. I get that Gryffindor is my last
house, so I can definitely,you know, I understand the not brave
part, although people argue with meabout that all the time. But that's
cool. We love having puffs onthis show. We have lots of puffy
friends. I think it's perspective braveryas perspective, totally cool. Well,

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we are particularly excited to have youhere on episode three, seventy five,
which, holy crap, three hundredand seventy five were almost did four hundred,
which is only one hundred episodes fromfive hundred, which is crazy for
the record, But today we're goingto be discussing Chamber of Secrets, Chapter
sixteen. The title chapter, theChamber of Secrets. Oh wow, this
next fact is making me feel veryold. The first and the last time

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we talked about this was on episodeseventeen, which was in December of twenty
twelve, with myself, Caleb Michael, and our friend author Lev Grossman.
So, holy crap, ten anda half years ago, are you beatboxing?

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I was lever? Are you stillthere? I am here. I'm
not beatboxing, but I'm just here. Okay, Okay, Lockhart? What
house this? Lockhart? Was lockhartend? Do we know that Raven Claws?
Yeah, that's right, Crappies.I can't believe I didn't get into Raven
Claw and they let Lockhart love.We're partying it up the Hufflepuff. I

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know we are, I know weare. Please don't want us how to
party like a gryffindoor? Yeah,this is like when you recorded this was
like a few weeks before my tenthbirthday. Wow, not cool, So
yes, thank you. We're Chamberof Secrets is a really fun book,
so I'm glad you could join usfor this one, Julia. Well,

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Yeah, the gesticulations alone is worththe two dollars. Also, right now,
I am currently going to be goinglike this a lot a lot of
hand talking. Expect that. Kermitthe Frog levels of flailing Okay, I
think you probably just signed ten peopleup because I would be here for a
Kermit the Frog level flailing, SoI'm here for it. I mean I

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took a class of love of magic, so I mean I could whip out
a current real Kermit the Fun.No, I can't, but you know,
it's the thought that it counts.And of course it wouldn't be an
episode without our shout out, Maxima. This is from episode three seventy three,
which is on Half Blood Prince,Chapter twenty four. I was on
this episode and today's statement comment comesfrom Davy B. Jones nine nine nine,

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and they said, so I wantto discuss them that nobody ever brings
up, and I'm convinced everyone justreads past. Before Snape returns, the
text says that Myrtle continued to wailand sob with increasingly evident enjoyment, emphasis
that they capitalized the increasingly evident enjoyment. I think this is very interesting because
it really shines a whole new lighton Myrtle in the scene and potentially about

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ghosts in general. We see thisbefore in book two, and Myrtle is
telling Harry Ron and Lockhart about herdeath. When she does that her demeanor
changes and she's quite cheerfully talking tothem about her death as if she's enjoying
we're living the experience. And againshe here she's enjoying sobbing and crying over
Malfoy almost dying, so to ghostenjoy death, Like I'm pretty sure in
the scene, Myrtle isn't actually upsetby what's happened. If the text description

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above says anything. First off,I need to point out how incredibly amazing
it is. And we did notplan this, folks, that the Davy
brought up the fact that we're goingto be talking about the chapter he referenced
in this comment. That is likea very cool ring circle thing that we
did not plan for the record,I mean, I was, I was

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scouting for the comments, but Ithought it was a great comment. So
can I did pullay a little godin that situation, Yeah, but I
was. I thought it was greatthat it was mentioned. I disagree with
the comment, and I believe someonereplied to this one also disagreeing, because
I do stand by the fact thatI think it was kind of traumatizing for
her to witness, you know,Malfoy almost being killed, because it's like

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almost similar to what happened to her, and so I'm sure it brought up
a lot of like trauma. AndI think she enjoys crime because it gives
her attention, because no one paysattention to her otherwise. That's why she
was enjoying it. I think lessso for the fact that she enjoys death,
which I'm sure she doesn't hate it, because it doesn't seem she seems
upset. But I think it's partially, like I said, like trying to

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get people to notice her, becauseeveryone notices her as the girl crying in
the bathrooms. At least people arelooking at her. But I don't think,
like you know, she's wailing becauseshe's happy that he almost died.
I think it was traumatizing. Icould see that. I think you touched
on something important when we talk aboutMyrtle, is that she she was what

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thirteen fourteen when she died. Achild, Yeah, a child, A
literal, actual child, and Iknow that literal and actual are the same
word, but super young, superyoung, and of course she's going to
do things for attention. And Itotally think you're right. I think it's
the trauma of the situation. ButI do think also Myrtle, probably partially

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because of her young age and partiallybecause of the fact that she's now a
ghost that is living at Hogwarts forthe rest of her quote unquote life.
Yeah, she does the things forattention. And before I say this next
part a question a tangential question topose here. Can ghosts grow and learn

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and change and like become more mature? Are they perpetually I mean, I
feel like we've been told that they'reperpetually stuck in that state, But oh,
what do you think we're gonna Imean, I believe Shalnie typed it.
We're trying to talk about it later, like about this chapter, so

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I think we'll touch on this abit more further down, at least I
wrote about this a bit. ButI think that they say in that kind
of same like constant place makes sense. I don't think there's a lot of
growth that can happen, because alot of some growth, really, especially
for teenagers, depends on also literalaging and continuing through puberty and kind of
learning these things as you're growing,and she doesn't have that opportunity, so

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she's probably kind of stuck in thatsame thirteen fourteen year old mindset. I
mean to say nothing of the factthat a lot of people kind of avoid
that bathroom because then they have tointeract with her. So yeah, most
most of her development is like schillingin a toilet stall, right, like
a lot own. So even ifshe wanted to progress, she has nothing

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to read, she has nobody totalk to, and she has nothing to
do other than dwell on something thatprobably seems fairly recent because you know,
it's just rehashed over and over againbecause there's a constant reminder, Hey,
I died in this bathroom, whichI don't leave ever, right, So

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I mean, there's no way thatshe could necessarily progress. I mean unless
she had a lot of really goodconversations with the toilet well. I mean,
and think about the times that wedo see her leaving. It's too
like to spy on Harry when he'sin the bath and I think she says
she goes down to the Black Laketo talk to the mermaids sometimes, And

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in this circumstance, Raco has probablybeen talking to her right for longer than
anyone has up until this very point, and so it's also like she's losing
her first kind of friend because youknow, I wouldn't consider Harry to be
someone that talks to her consistently likeshe like and it makes me so angry.
I talk about that in the lastepisode that like, I hate that
he doesn't even like appreciate the thingsthat she's done to help him. I

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feel like it's like it just pissedme off that no one like of like
the trio, who you expect tobe like, you know, friendly for
the most part, has distance early. Hey, she's really helped us,
and maybe we should just go holda conversation and like see how she's doing,
Like like she's literally our age anddead because of you know, a
situation that is connected to us ina way, like we know what it's

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like firsthand, and we're not goingto like sympathize with her at all,
especially when she's been nice and helping. Like, yeah, she's a bit
creepy, but she again didn't learnhow to not be socially awkward, Like
she hasn't grown out of that face. So she's continued like in that bullying
face because every class that comes throughhas bullied her because she never gets like
that, just as her class thatdid to her. All the classes afterwards

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have done the same exact thing.I wonder if her might, you know,
because we never see them go tothe bathroom or shower or anything other
than that one scene a gublet offire. I wonder if I like to
think that Hermione just goes in theresometimes. Yeah, you know, they've
told other people about mar Hey,Myrtle's actually you know, all right,
why don't you go talk to her? And I'd like to think that maybe,
like later on Luna Loved Good orsomebody goes in there and would yeah,

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there you go. I feel likeLuna and Myrtle would absolutely vibe totally.
And you know, how come we'renot given that that scene? Why
aren't they friends? Now? Howcame Myrtle doesn't have a portrait that she
can go into and out of asshe will. I mean, she did
die. You think the school wouldlike commemorate that somehow, rather than just

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being like, oh, yeah,that's our haunted back. Yeah you know
who's in there? A dead child? Right right now? We absolutely ignore
and pay no attention to you whatsoever. We just let her scream and cry.
That's fine, just I feel horriblefor her. But now I want
somebody to draw like a comic bookof Luna and Myrtle Adventures around Hungwarts.

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Yeah, that'd beat such a goodanimated series. That's the first thing I
thought about her. A little jingleon my head. Adorable, adorable,
Well Davy killing it per usual withcomments return should do it? Chapter Revisit
Jess. Chapter sixteen Obliviated the Chamberof Screw. The end of the year

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and the end of this year's mysteryis coming to a close, and McGonagall
is doing everything in her power tokeep Hogwarts open and safe for all.
Unfortunately for her, the school hasother plans. She tries to warn them,
but due to Percy plot, sheis forwarded and ultimately taken into the
chamber and that she is referring toJinny. That was a poorly written sentence.

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I'm sorry. The boys have goodinstincts for half a second before throwing
all of that away and listening totheir lion, which eventually leads them to
march Lockhart into Myrtle's bathroom, downthe slimy pipes, and into the Chamber
of Secrets. So we don't actuallysee the chamber in this one. We
see I think Harry walks up tothe door. It's a very good it's

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a very good cliffhanger in this chapter. But before we get down there into
the dungeons, let's start back uptop at the beginning of the chapter,
because there's a lot of good characterstuff actually up here at the top.
So at the beginning of the chapter, the students are finding out from Achnical
that the exams are still on.So ultimately we know they end up getting

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canceled. But my thought was alwayshow is that going to attack the seventh
years? And because you know they'regoing to be graduating, but they don't
get exams, so what's going tohappen with that? I always wondered if
the seventh years took different exams thanthe rest of the school, sort of
a like sat oh maybe a levelslike in a levels equivalent that the rest

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of the school wouldn't take because they'regraduating, and so it's all encompassing,
right, Yeah. I kind ofalways have viewed it as like the ones
that aren't taken in the upper years, like like those preliminary exams you get
in like elementary school, and likeit's the wayout, like they're really easy
ones that kind of were like achinto like the SAT but like easy,
and then as they got older theywould get to like the p SAT and

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then the SAT. Sorry to peoplethat don't have the same testing system,
I just know the American one.Apologies, but that same like kind of
like it's like, you know,early exams that kind of prepare them for
what they're going to should expect likewhen they get into like the higher levels
of schooling. So I was thinkingabout this myself, and part of me
is thinking, like is this likecan you can't complete school if you don't

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have like all of your new classesdone correct or like you can't get into
like a good wizard profession if youdon't have all of that cleared out.
So what's going to happen to theseguys if they don't finish up or they
stopped being like, I don't know, wizard janitors, or do they get
the good fortune of being, youknow, our main characters who turn into

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wizard cops in spite of not finishingschool. So I don't know, does
that limit their job possibilities in thewizarding world or do they just get to
pass. Well, Okay, soyou become an ow an OWL student in
your fifth year, right, sofifth and sixth year is OWL and then
you are NEWTS student in your seventhyear. Is that how this is set

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up? I think so? I'mnot sure. Do you start your NUTS
since six year? I feel likeit was mentioned before. Could it depend
like could some like students like Hermionehave classes earlier than others depending on how
progress they are in schooling? Right? I feel like Newts are only seventh
year, which is a weird andkind of poor system. But that's why

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I think that everything you said,Julia, I think that's why the exam
for the seventh year news students mustbe different than the end of year exams
for the first like the underclassmen,they have to be different because you're right,
they would be screwed leaving school ifthere were no exams well to that

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effect, though, do you thinkthat maybe there's some kind of a not
an equivalency tests per se, butlike say they have a specific career they
want to get into. Can theyjust go and take like an aptitude test
for that career instead of their NETS? Or do they have to have the
NEWTS to show knowledge across all subjectsor can they just focus on the doctor?

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Is there a wizard ged h that'sa good question. I would assume
that there's not. But then dondo Ron and Harry get celebratory diplomas or
whatever they call them in the UKthey call them diplomas from Hogwarts because they

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never graduate. Hermione goes back,but those two don't, right, Hermione
goes back, right, It's agood question. I don't know. Wizard
wizarding schooling is very It's a littleconvoluted, I think, but um,
I do always laugh at Sheamus andHarry being just flabbergasted that they're still going
to have exams because exams were Werethey canceled in the first year? Yeah?

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I think yes, they were canceledin the first year because Harry had
the whole thing with Voltemore. Sonow they're like, oh cooler, exam
is going to be canceled for asecond year in a row. How I
don't know such teenage boys feel likethese guys are getting a sufficient education or
you know, any kind of feedbackthat I'd help them become better wizards.

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As an educator, this bothers meon multiple levels, and I really feel
like the school should be doing moreto provide a full well rounded education for
everyone, including some kind of assessmentto see if you actually learned anything at
the end of the year. Well, if I remember quickly, at the
beginning of Chamber, there's a linewhere I don't remember if it's a first

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day of classes or pre classes.But Harry is like his brain seemed to
have emptied over the summer and hedoesn't remember anything, probably because he didn't
have end of year exams, youknow, and there's no over the summer
homework. However, we do seeover the summer homework between books two and
three, so it's clear that they'velearned something, but we just start on
how much, right, Well,I also find it kind of crazy to

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think that the petrified students would actuallyalso have to potentially take their exams because
they had mentioned that, Like Hermiewas going to wake up and realize it's
three days before exams and she hasn'tstudied, And I'm like, would they
be forceding exams when they've been likeout for like, you know, at
some for some kids, I thinklike months, Like is that really an
expectation when they have missed months oflike classes and learning. I mean,

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I expect that Hermione was already studying. It's like, I feel like she
probably would end up still acing herexams. But like, I'm thinking of
the other kids that aren't hermione,They're like, um, so, like
are they just going to fail medicalpass? Yeah? I was gonna say,
who was the first to be petrified? Who's Colin? Right? Colin?
Yeah? Yeah, I mean he'she's a first year and so he's

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spent. Wait. Um, I'mnot trying to self plug, but we
have a timeline in the book,and I want to see when it was
that Colin was actually petrified. Doesanyone remember what chapter that was the writing
on the wall? Right? Wait? Um? It was no after the

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death Day party? No, DeathDay Party was nearly headless Nick, No,
Oh my gosh, I'm like totallyscrewing up my timeline here. Well,
okay, I think I think thewriting on the wall was the second
was calling before that? Yeah,but when mud bloods and murmurs that's the

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one. Okay, So what monthwas this we need to figure out,
like December probably? Okay, Sothis child has missed half a year of
school, half of this first yearof school. Why is this kid not
doing year one again? That wasmy question I did. Should they not
have held him back, so tospeak, so that he could do the

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first year again because he did notso much? It seems crazy to me
that they would send him on thesecond year. Yeah, I mean,
like, how much could a firstyear possibly have learned in like just those
few months. I don't think Iwould feel all that good about like a
freshman moving on to tenth grade ifthey had read like a book and written

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essay and an essay um singular.But it again. You know, this
all comes back to traditional hogwarts Umrules of education, which is basically Calvin
ball, that is to say,question mark rules. I'm looking this up

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because m Colin goes up to hewas trying to sneak up to the hospital
wing to see Harry after the roguebludger incident. And the rogue bludger yes,
happens very early in the year.Um, it's yeah, I just

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looked it up. It says afterthe Griffin dr versus Southern quidditch match.
Yeah, so that would have beenlike September, early November is when Colin
is November eighth, eighth, earlyNovember. Yes, so you're right he
should be repeating his first year afull three like a full like amount,

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probably two months at that. Yeah, And how much are they really learning
in the first couple of months,because you know, typically when you start
school, like the first couple ofmonths is like introductions and getting used to
the teachers teaching style and finding yourfooting. So yeah, how much did
they really were? Right? Swishand flick maybe at best ill Colin?
I mean, I guess you couldreally figure out how exactly how much they

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learned if you wouldn't look and lookto kind of see what Harry was doing
around that same time, right,Yeah, But wasn't he like a crappy
student, Harry? Yeah, No, I think he was an okay student.
I think Ron was a worst student, but not much doing this.
He'd still be doing the same stuff. He'd go back and look in the
first book at that same time duringthe year to see what they were learning.

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Then you would know what Colin wasat. So it was definitely swish
and flick. Um. Well,let's see, And I want to say
they had a couple of Charms classesfrom the beginning, but I don't remember
every one. Let's see, I'mlooking on the timeline in our in volume
one of The Harry Potter Companion.Now, I was waiting to see how
long it would take to plug Novemberis chapter eleven in book one, which

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is when Harry has his first quidditchmatch. So no idea. Were you're
just giving me crap for promoting abook that I wrote. It was just
funny. I was waiting to seehow long it would take. Well,
there's gonna be a few other mentionsbecause I have some fun features to point
out. I'm not complaining. Iwas just saying. I was like,
I was like, I know,we're about to talk about Chamber of Secrets,

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like I was gonna started, andI was like, that was the
book of ours. It just cameout. I wonder how long it's gonna
take for us to man Well,while we are on the subject of students,
I wanted to pull out some stuffhere to talk about Jinny and Percy,
because there is a whole fun featurein volume two of the Unofficial Harry
Potter Companion that talks about all ofthe Red Herrings when it comes to Harry,

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Percy and Hagrid. Actually it's alot of fun. It is.
I'm looking for the official title.It's called Foreshadowing. And misdirection, And
it's towards the back of the book. It's a three page feature. It's
a lot of fun. But thePercy Jenny stuff is prevalent throughout the entire
book, but it's most important,I think, sort of here because Percy

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actually interrupts something pretty pretty large.Actually, poor Jenny, like she was
absolutely terrified and came to talk toHarry and Ron about what was going on,
But like, what do you thinkshe was actually gonna say? Do
you think she was just gonna spillher guts and tell them everything that's been
going on all year what she suspectsit happening. Or do you think she

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was going to kind of downplay whatwas going on and just kind of say,
hey, there's some weird stuff goingon, just kind of feel amount
and see how they were going toreact, Like what do you think she
was going to say? Like howdo you bring that up? Like,
hey, I've been possessed by Boltimoreand being like how do you open that
conversation? How do you organically tellpeople that you've been writing in a diary

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and it was talking to you,Like and also that is creepy, Like
I don't feel like this is aconversation one has over breakfast, but I
could be off. I don't thinkthe eggs are really good by the way
I have. It's also really nervous, though, because because when she mentioned
said diary, the conversation of whatwere you talking about is going to come

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up, and she doesn't want peopleto know what she was talking about because
she was talking about Harry. Isuppose that's true. Yeah, I would.
I wouldn't want to tell my teenagebrother or preteen brother, you know.
Oh yeah, I was totally writingdown like personal personal stuff in a
book and it responded and it wasso weird. And then because you know,

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the twelve year old brother, what'she gonna do? What were you
writing? I bet she was goingto say, because Jenny's really smart,
as we know, I think sheprobably could have said it without telling them
the vehicle, like about the actualdiary, so something like I think I'm

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the one because I was also justchecking in the book. I think when
they're in the chamber at the endof the book, she's talking about the
things she was trying was going totell Harry, or was trying to tell
him, and basically she was goingto tell him about how she's losing time,
and she thinks that she's the onewho is attacking because she keeps finding
like rooster feathers on her robes andthings like that. But I know that

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that's something that she confesses to TomRiddle in the diary. But Jenny's smart,
so I have confidence that she wouldhave gotten the point across enough for
them to give her because I thinkshe was just looking for a hand,
a hole to go to an authority, really looking for some support, and
of course she'd go to Harry.Do you think they would have believed her

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though? Like, do you thinkthey would have believed her? They would
have just brushed it off and beenlike, oh, Jenny, you're being
ridiculous. Good to class. Imean, she is a first year,
so I don't know how much theywould really like to take heed her.
Ron is Ron is the one whotends to lead it lean towards misogyny more

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than Harry. So I think Ronwould have been like, you're being silly
and blown her off. But Harry, I think would have would have put
some of those pieces together and takenher more seriously. See I don't disagree,
but like, at the same time, how much of that, like
respect towards Jenny is because he hasa crush on her. Harry doesn't have
a crush on her yet. Ohyeah, a little bit. I'm going

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to ask you to cite your sources. Yeah, you know, it leads
up. But like they're also alittle like they're teenagers, like it's normal
for like twelve almost see, Okay, I crushed on people at twelve year
or sold. That's the that's that'slike peak like people starting to realize it
like each other kind of way.And I fully we talked about this in

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the in the last one, butI'm like they're they're like attraction to each
other, like like slowly is likegets more and more like significant as time
goes on. But I don't shehas a crush on him already. I
don't think he wouldn't fully be like, oh yeah, like Jenny's kind of
cute, like but I don't thinkhe'd admit it. But like she already
is crushing on him, and she'syounger than him. I think it's possible
that he kind of already at thispoint sort of kind of liked her.

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Girls mature faster than voice. Iknow, I'm just saying I think it's
possible that he would, like notdisagree, that he would doesn't find her
attractive. Yeah, or maybe thebeautiful parallels between books two and six,
where they're just friends in book twowhen they fall in love in book six,
are really where the story's at.But you know that's another podcast.

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Well, unfortunately we know poor Jennyshe doesn't We don't get to find any
of this out because she doesn't evenget a chance to say what she was
trying to say it because here comesPercy, bigheaded Percy to interrupt the conversation.
Huh, I cannot stand Percy.It is I I just Percy should
have been the one to die.I will die on the like. Percy

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disgust me in every way possible.But um, anyway, I see,
thank you. It's not only justbecause I love Fred, it's also just
because he annoys the crap out ofme. Yes, yes, Like I'm
just like, oh, Percy,go away, just leave. And of
all the places he could have satwith, there's was there nowhere else for
him to sit down, Like hehas a pusher out of the way,

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like you not even into like beinglike, oh did you elise everything?
O? Kaylie? It was.They all commented on how clear it was
that she was nervous, Like hedidn't even take a moment to notice that
his baby sister is like like doingthey're shaking, like oh, but if
you're already finished, he didn't getout of the way, Like it's just
like he is just such a harmonat or dork of a guy who shoves

(31:11):
his little sister out of the wayjust so he can be like, now,
you're not gonna tell him that yousaw me making out. You wouldn't
want anybody to know that. It'slike, I find it very hard to
believe he didn't want to flaunt itbecause like, like, did anyone really
expect that Percy Weasley was going toscore? Like you don't think it'd be
kind of like the shock of thecentury if he's like, yeah, well,
I was making out with a ravenwith a raven claw like la la

(31:33):
la la, And he's so andhe's so egotistical, like I'm so surprisingly
It's I don't believe that he didn'tpurposely sit down and be like, yeah,
I didn't want her to tell somethinglike I mean, because he wants
to like get like a little likelittle secret through the grape fine, Like
he doesn't want to tell them directlybecause he has to be a little little
more like than rules follower. Imean he's he's a door, That's what

(31:56):
he is. He's a dork.I don't have a better word for what
Percy is. And he's not evenlike a cute door. He's like just
wow. So the Percy is slanderthat is happening here, Like, name
all the good qualities that Percy.No, no, no, that's that's
another episode that's there's actually. Umis it a thirty second bonus episode of

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No we did Um. I'm gonnalook it up. I don't remember exactly
which episode it is, but wedid a whole episode U Percy. It's
it's episode two fifty two actually,And Chris Rankin, who played Percy in
the films, talked about his reallyamazing theory that he thinks Percy is actually
on the spectrum, which is reallycool. That's a really good episode if
y'all are into Percy or not intoPercy, because we trash him a bit

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there too. Just for the record, Um, but I think I think
a big part of the reason thatPercy just pushed Jinny away is that he
is not um. He is notmaternal really in too many ways. He
does yell at friend George for tryingto make Jinny laugh and try and make
the moment lighter. I think that'sas far as his maternal instinct goes.

(33:07):
But it's not even really maternal.I think that that's him hating on friend
and George rather than him protecting Jinny. I just think that it's just not
in Percy's personality at this point inhis life to care about protecting his other
family members because his goals are they'reall internalized goals. They're not They're not

(33:30):
anything about community or family or anything. It's about success and status and wealth
and all of that. So Iget behind that because it kind of is
supported later in the chapter when hewhen they find out Jinny was taking in
and taken by the Basilisk or whateverthat she m, he doesn't like go

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to like kind of commiserate with hisfamily. He like you know, goes
and locks himself in his room andlike kind of separates himself from everyone else.
Yeah, this it's maybe something thaty'all know the answer too. But
what are the qualities required to bea prefect? Is it just good grades.
Well, um, I don't thinkit's ever formally outlined, is there?

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Ron becomes prefect and we don't hedoesn't have well yeah, all right,
Well it's kind of a popular contestin a certain to a certain extent,
who would vote for Percy and apopularity kind of like official one,
But they choose people that are goingto like, people that like like people
that are people are other people aregoing to like listen to. I think
it's kind of how it boils No, I meant like, but like people

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see him as like, you know, like this authoritative figure that would very
happily tattle on them if they didsomething wrong, and that same respect when
Ron, when you know, Harry'szero prefects Ron and Hermione people see Hermione
is really also kind of a bitof of a of a you know,
kiss up. In a certain sense. Ron is like popular to an extent.

(34:58):
Harry is not prefectuous because plot developmentand I probably because they thought it
would be too much for him tohave that responsibility on him. At Draco,
people would popularity Also, people arekind of you know, younger kids
and other houses are probably quite scaredof him. If not younger kids and
sothern too and who I forgot whoelse was was prefect that year. But
like, in that same respect,I think it's someone of like they think

(35:21):
of it like a more of astrategic point of view, as much as
they think of it like you know, who's going to be like benefit and
who's going to like have this betoo much on them in Harry's instance.
But so I looked it up becauseI wanted like an actual definition, because
schools in the UK have prefects.So this one definition says, quote,
in the context of schools, aprefect is a pupil who has been given

(35:43):
certain responsibilities in the school, similarto the responsibilities given to a hall monitor
or safety patrol officers. So yeah, I think it's all about yeah,
no qualification, no qualification. Idon't think it has anything to do with
grades. I think it has moreto do with of um, a certain
studiousness perhaps, UM, trustworthiness,um, sort of things like that.

(36:07):
And of course, because it's Hogwarts, there are questionable choices made. Let's
I mean James Potter whatever. Soyeah, yeah, I think it's plot
if anything. Okay, so plotmakes a prefect that makes sense and like
exactly like you say a cat likeyou said, I believe this is You

(36:27):
said, um, what they like, what are the prefects on patrol duty
for? Yeah, that's kind ofI kind of assumed it was like a
hall monitor type of thing, wherelike they probably don't have enough professors and
staff to like cover the entirety ofthe grounds, you know, and of
the castle, so the next bestthing would be the prefects to kind of
serve as like hall monitor, likehurting the students essentially. I don't feel

(36:49):
like the school should keep putting childrenin positions so potential death that Yeah,
so we're just going to sacrifice somewhere. We can always question the ethical decisions
that we make over the course ofthe entire series and it comes to kids.
That is the Hogwarts ethos though,Like we're going to pretend to care

(37:12):
about protecting kids, but prefects pleasemonitor the hallways where there's literally somebody killing
people, so go for it.Have any qualms about throwing kids into situations
where they're likely to die? Soyeah, there was there was generally no
knowledge objection in the end to likeall the students fighting in the Battle of
Hogwarts, Like they're like, yeah, the mess we can do. We

(37:37):
have some really small meat shows.We have no better options, so you
know, good luck, I meanmost so. Jenny eventually, as we
know, gets taken into the chamber, and the meat of this chapter is
spent with the boys and Lockhart andsome of the teachers and stuff. So
I definitely think it's time for usto get into all of that. And

(37:59):
the first thing I really wanted totalk about here is this is sort of
a chain of events and I'm sure, I'm certain, I'm certain that the
answer is plot. But we talkabout things that the answer is plot all
the time. So if McGonagall hadn'tfound the boys after Lockhart was like,
yeah, go ahead, do yourthing, so they didn't have to go

(38:21):
up to the hospital wing to seeHermione and instead they just went to see
Myrtle. Do you think she wouldhave given them the exact same performance that
they get later in the chapter withLockhart. There was Myrtle vamping it up
a bit because Lockhart was there,because of course she knows who Lockhart is.
She's been hearing it around the castle. Or is that just the standard

(38:42):
performance she gets when somebody asks abouthow she dies, which I don't think
has ever happened. But do youthink they would have gotten the same information?
Could the plot? What I'm boilingdown to is, could the plot
have unfolded the same but earlier inthe chapter if that hadn't happened. I
don't think so, because they wouldn'thave known what it was like. She

(39:06):
would have said that she saw thegreat, big yellow eyes, but they
would have no idea what that couldhave been. Yeah, I think there's
a heavy reliance on the actual pieceof text they uncover from hermioneous hand.
That really kind of starts putting thepieces together, albeit very quickly and a
little you know, unnaturally. Butwhat you don't like like an info dump

(39:28):
in the middle of your chapter.That's just like, oh cool, all
the plot it was, and theway they let me like all the wires
connected like that, like no timeto really process, like, oh oh,
it's a basilisk of course, it'sa little suspicious. The whole thing
is a little little convenient, littletoo convenient for me. Hey, listen,

(39:49):
the second book is harder to writethan the first. True, that's
fair. I'm not defending anyone inparticular, just making a blanket statement about
writing second novels. That's fair.That's fair. So I have the bit
with the whole the paper in hermind. Stand. So they had to
bring her to the hospital when shewas petrified, they lay her in the

(40:12):
bed, whatever nobody noticed, Likeshe's been there for how long it's been
a few weeks, hasn't it.I don't know. I don't think it's
been too long, well enough thatthey might have noticed her hand. Yeah,
go a little bit when they movedher, like this wasn't a little
like Russell, Like when they positionedher in the bed and did Madam Pomfrey

(40:35):
not saying, hey, what's that? Like nobody thought and then Harry and
Ron come in and they just happenedto see this thing in her hand?
I mean I thought, could theyhave seen it? And like been like
this is how they're going to needto find out If we're not. We
can't directly tell them because then we'llbe like saying, oh, you should
go deal with it. But iflike they found it, and you know,

(40:58):
like it by chance, but likebecause like I'm sure anyone that would
have found that, people been like, h maybe we should let it say
there. They need to know what'sgoing on, Like you know, this
is our an indirect way of likeinforming them of the situation, because we're
not very good with telling anyone anyinformation when it might benefit them to know
it, you know. Yeah,the timeline says that Hermione was petrified in
mid May, and they go intothe chamber on May twenty ninth, So

(41:22):
yeah, a couple of weeks.Yeah, like a week and a half
tops, Okay, So definitely necessaryfor plot progression, because had they not
been the ones to find it andsomebody else had chance, they probably would
have just started away or whatever.But then you would never I mean,
but folks, Draco's the one whogave it to her in the first place.
I'm kidding. We're not going intothat. Wait, some of you

(41:45):
have blank faces on. Do youknow what I'm talking about? And I
know where you're talking to, Julia, Do you know what I'm talking about?
I'm a little lost. Oh well, let me very briefly explain.
In the film adaptation, this doesn'teven happen in the book. In the
film adaptation of the Flourish and Blotchchapter, Draco rips a page out of

(42:06):
a book and puts it in hispocket, and the Dramine fans believe that
Draco was giving Hermione a secret messageabout what was down in the chamber.
Yeah, it's bys. It's totalbs because it only happened in the movie,
not in the books. But okay, but there's no way he would
have even known what was going onto that full extent. I really think

(42:27):
no second year Draco was informed tothat extent. No, definitely not.
But you know, do Remine shippershave their thing. It's valid, it's
a it's a good it's a goodit's a good thought that I will give
it. Yeah, like ten pointsfor the de creativity because I when I
when I did read that for thefirst time, I'm like, that's pretty
smart. But I don't think it'sI think he just you know, likes
tearing things out of books because itlike it's fine if it had happened in

(42:51):
if it had happened in the text, I believe it would have more validity
as a theory. But because itonly happened in the movie, that's a
no go. Yeah. But whenuntil I read that, I never I
always consider that's being him kind ofbeing like, you know, a chaotic
like kind of like it doesn't respect, like people's property kind of things,
like I can do whatever I want. I'm just gonna rip this book and
you know, move all my deskkind of what I just viewed it as

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he's a douche y. Yeah,it's just true. But the convenience of
that page bothers me so much.Rant, I'm excited, mild Rant.
I'm doing okay. So you knowsometimes, oh no, my students leaves
their books at home, so I'mlike, okay, cool, it's public

(43:36):
domain, here's a PDF, orit's the essay writing process, and it's
like, I need to find thisone specific word that's going to make this
essay pop command f Oh cool,you can find the word. She's got
this old ass library book, ofall the old ass library books in the
library. How on earth did shesettle upon basilisk? How many hours was

(44:01):
she sitting pouring through that book tryingto find some mention of all of the
traits that seem to make sense,Like this sounds like a multi month to
multi year like PhD kind of studyto find out that it's a basilisk.
Also in a million years, Hermionegrange A ripping a page out of a

(44:24):
book from the library. No,no, no, no, no,
she would copy that down. Shewould absolutely not do any kind of property
destruction to a book. So that'smy rant, is way too convenient and
it is completely out of character.Well, I actually am with you on

(44:46):
that, because especially because they haven'tstarted care of Magical Creatures class yet.
So how of course it's hermione.So I suppose it's plausible, But how
did she know about a basilisk?How does she know that that even exists,
that that creature exists. So hereI don't disagree that it's very convenient,

(45:06):
but here is kind of like whereI've kind of like concluded is that
it's kind of the biggest outlier oflike this situation is that it needs to
be something that has the ability totravel without being detected or seen by other
people or heard. And that soshe had to like she had like you
know, a set of items thatshe needed to find like connections too.

(45:27):
So it needed to be a trait, like I said, a creature that
could travel without being noticed like invisibleor like small and flying. I guess
it's known to like stun or killedeasily without like giving time for expecting to
scream, because no one would hearthese things happening and then also be associated
with the Aero Slytherin because they knowthose things are connected. There had to
be some level of like, itneeds to have all those common traits,

(45:49):
So what thing takes up all thosetraits? And eventually she was able to
land on you know, basilisk.I'm sure it took her a lot of
like searching through novels and books lookingfor connections. But she could be using
the index and looking like, oh, creatures that's done, creatures that can
travel conveniently, and she kind ofput two and to together, like,
oh traveling, you know, isable to use like a certain you know,

(46:10):
portion of the castle to not benoticed. You know, she's smart.
She's probably able to put all thosepieces together and probably had that whole
conclusion that Ron and Harry came tovery quickly already before she was, you
know, eventually petrified. That's asuper cute theory. However, at the
beginning of chapter twelve, she's like, I figured it out, and she
runs to the library and on herway back from the library an hour ish

(46:35):
later, she's petrified. But shecould have but she could have been dwelling
on these items for months or Eddieand finally kind of concluded what she figured
out. Like that doesn't mean thatshe hit that very second. She's like,
oh, she could have been likeresearching for months now, like kind
of like looking at different things thanshe finally put a bunch of items together
that she was reading. Was like, oh, that's what it is.

(46:55):
Okay, See now I have thisgreat image of like her mind any and
they you know, the year twogirls room with like a board with pictures
and like a bunch of stoically fullfull Charlie from Always Sunny, like,
yes, okay, I finally haveall the pieces. Secondary dumber theory B

(47:19):
is at the beginning of the alphabet. Oh, I mean that's luck.
It's b, A says the verybeginning of like probably a list of many
items. That's I mean, wecould go with like the completely bonkers theory,
or we could just go with likethe Hermione just happened to stumble across
basilisk because she's like, wait aminute, this all makes sense now,

(47:43):
do you think in her research,Hermione stumbled upon the answer to why spiders
and basilisks or immortal enemies because Iread that this time, and I can't
stop thinking about it. Anyone haveany theory? What was that? Cred
Here's the thing I wrote, butI'm not I'm not one hundred percent committed

(48:05):
to it. But I did doa bit of research and I concluded that
it sounds like there are quite afew species of spiders around, forty of
them that attack can kill over ninetyspecies of snakes and mortal enemies. To
me, doesn't sound like, oh, like one side is just constantly scare
the other side. Enemies means thatyou each have beef with each other.
Obviously the Basilist scares the spiders more, but I do think that given that

(48:30):
information, they could have the opportunityto overrun the Bassilisk if they wanted to,
given the amount of spiders we arelike implied to have seen and the
size of Aragogue in itself, andso I think there was a chance they
just happened. Whatever it was,the Basilist took the upper hand on like
who scares the other more so theyended up being scared of the bastlist because

(48:51):
as opposed to the opposite a wayaround, but they have equal opportunity and
ability to eventually do equal damage hencethe enemies. And I also think it
could be a bit of a symbolbecause you know, tom Myrtle expects that
Harry isn't going to be at allable to overrun the serpent of Slytherin,
given he's a second second year muggleBorn student. Just in the same sense,

(49:14):
no one expects a small spider that'seasily squishable in most cases to be
able to eat and attack a wholesnake on it in itself by itself,
and especially at that you know theamount of based on statistics, statistics that
that happens according to the research Iwas looking at. Wow, good research,
pal, Thank you, that's good. I had no idea that there

(49:34):
were spiders that attack and kill snakes. That was my first song when I
looked it up. But I'm likeyeah, because I was like, hmmm,
you don't want to see pictures ofthose spiders. Yeah, it's like,
but let it over. Forty speciesprobably means that there's a good amount
that are like tiny guys, justfrom the few pictures I saw when I
was researching, Like, there it'slike, you know, some like not
large spiders, but there I guessthey are if they get the upper hand,

(49:57):
they can stun the snakes as muchas a snake can stun anyway,
and else that they're venomss. Iknow you didn't just go like this and
say not a not large pictures ofsome of the ones in like Australia that
like or like this like like likehow I don't know long Yeah, hanging
off the trees. I know someof them probably a fake, but like
there are some real ones and they'rescary. I feel like the second you

(50:20):
learn a basilisk is involved and youknow that they are in spiders or mortal
enemies, there is an easier wayto deal with the basilisk, which is
get a big bucket of spiders andlike dump it down the toilet or whatever
problem solves itself. Yeah, alternately, you have a toilet full of spiders,
which also solves the problem of havinga bucket full of spiders. Just

(50:42):
get the guess get like muggle spiders. They don't have the sentience to know
that we shouldn't like we should bescared of this, of this creature and
just go to spider hut. Oh, I love it, spider hut.
I don't love it. Spider hunt. No, I don't. I don't
actually love it makes sake. No, no, we're not doing that.
It sounds like it could be like, you know, a goth stor oh

(51:05):
yeah, for all your spider needs, got a basketballs problem? Visit spider
hat. It could be the commercial. So I did a little research on
bassilisks myself, because why not.And it turns out, are you guys
familiar with cockatrices? Yes, Iam, because I wrote about them for

(51:29):
a volume two of the Unofficial HarryPotter Companion. But usually keep going ok
um, a cockatrice is kind ofa combination rooster serpent. It's like vaguely
dragony. They can breathe fire,they're venomous. Um. But cockatrices and
basilisks are basically one and the sameat one point during um, the original

(51:53):
conception of them. So if yousee like artistic depictions of basilisks, often
what you're gonna find is actually apicture of a cocke trees. And what
I found, um, particularly,I guess amusing about all this is if
roosters can kill basilisks, why isa rooster a basilisk? Um? So

(52:16):
that had me kind of trying towork my way through, like how can
a basilisk also be part rooster.But then I kind of my brain tied
itself into a neat little knot,and I decided, you know what,
basketilists they're just snakes now, andcocketreeses are their own thing. But also

(52:36):
like the way that basilists are createdis that a toad sits on a chicken
egg. It's that what it is. I mean, like if there's no
like technical mating involves, it's notlike that's going to be like you know,
fighting necessarily, because they're not.It's not, you know, a
rooster and a snake mate and there'sa basilisk. It's like a whole other
animal, a toad, not evena snake. A toad you know,

(52:58):
sits on a chicken, rooster orwhatever egg, and then you know that
becomes a basilist, which is likethe whys of the toad that's a whole
other question, you know, sidenote, like who figured that out?
What were you doing when you discoveredthis? Well? This was this is
the Greeks, um so I meangranted, like the Oracle of Delphi was

(53:20):
just breathing in like noxious fumes andmaking stuff up, so you know,
the Greeks can come up with allsorts of fun critters and how they're made
and when you should drink pea ismedicine that kind of thing. So take
all of this basil as cocketree stuffwith many, many, many grains of
salt. It also makes me thinkabout other theories. I'm sure cat you

(53:44):
know it probably of like people beinglike, well, if if it's a
toad sitting on a rooster that createsa basilist, why weren't people more concerned
when Neville kept losing Trevor, becauselike that left the opportunity for that to
happen a lot more than the neverI've never heard that circulating all the time.
I think it's a Reddit comment fromsomeone at some point and people were

(54:05):
like, yeah, people maybe shouldhave been more like concerned about about that,
given that, uh, Trevor couldhave been getting around this whole time
and no one would have known.Do they keep eggs in the Hogwarts pantry?
I'm in the pantras they get moreof like even like just like out
in the farm area, like maybein your hag Yeah, yeah, well
maybe it has to be like amagical toad maybe to say that Trevor isn't

(54:30):
magical. I don't know. Hebelongs to Neville, who's created as kind
of this like butt monkey character,so a late bloomer, So maybe his
troad is magical too when we justdon't know. Perhaps perhaps I'd like to
keep nice thoughts in place for Nevillebecause he has a glow up and also

(54:52):
movie Neville is very very very hot, so like real life glow up.
But that's the subject for a differentna. So this is the moment that
I mentioned at the top here wherethe boys finally for half a second,
have really good instincts and they getall the information. They figure it all

(55:15):
out, you know, in thatinfo dump in the hospital wing, and
they're like, let's go tell McGonagall. Yes, boys, do it,
do the right thing. Finally,like they did it. I saw those
kermit arms. I saw it.I saw it. You all missed it
if you're not watching the video,but I saw it. But so they
go down there and they go tothe staff room, nobody's there, and

(55:37):
then they hear mcgonagall's magical voice tellingall the students to go back to their
common rooms, and all the teachersgo to the staff room, and instead
of just waiting there, They're like, let's hide in the closet, let's
get into the cupboard and eavesdrop.Oh boys, twelve year old boys,
particularly these two boys. Oh that'sI don't I don't even need to finish

(56:01):
the sentence. I'm so fresh.I'm so frustrated with them in that moment,
because you were right there, You'reright there, You're right there.
But do we think that they hidbecause they thought that nobody would believe them.
They only wanted to talk to McGonagallbecause they thought maybe they had a
chance it's getting mcgonical to believe them. But once they found out all the

(56:22):
other teachers were coming, they werea little bit more. I mean,
I know they're dumb. They're justthey're dumb. That's that's a gidding.
But also could it have been youknow, nobody else is gonna believe us,
let's listen to see what's going onfirst. I mean, like,
I don't know that it's so muchthat is that I think they partially were
maybe afraid of getting into trouble forbeing in the staff room when nobody was

(56:44):
there. Yeah, and also theyhave a history of eavesdropping and being in
places that they shouldn't be, andso of course it's just natural for them
to just be like, let's justhide in the cupboard and listen to see
what they say, instead of justten standing there waiting for someone to come
in. I don't even know whowas first. Does the tech say who
showed up first? Probably McGonagall.I think I think it was probably McGonagall,

(57:06):
which there it is, they wouldhave had the opportunity talk carrying yeah,
and I the sad part is,I mean, one of the many
things is that if they had knownwhat they were coming to discuss at that
moment, she wouldn't have been angryat them for being there. She probably
would have pitied them and be like, oh, I'm sorry, you boys
don't know yet kind of thing,and they can be like, we have
something we need to tell you.McGonagall is not the first. For the

(57:27):
record, the tech says they hidthemselves inside it meaning the cupboard, listening
to the rumble of hundreds of peoplemoving overhead in the staff room, door
banging open from between the musty foldsof the cloaks. They watched teachers filtering
into the room. Some of themare looking puzzled, others done ray scared,
then McGonagall arrived. Oh, soshe's last, so she is probably
standing right outside though, like waitmaybe or so yeah, So imagine if

(57:50):
Snape was first, What the hellare you two doing? Yeah? You
know, what are you doing here? So I guess hiding in the cupboard.
I don't want to say it makessense, but it makes sense for
these particular two twelve year old boysin their history of getting into trouble and
plot. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, my biggest question this whole time was

(58:12):
when they found out that that Jennyhad been taken into the chamber. Where
like, where was she exactly?Because they see her breakfast and then we
assume they go off to classes andwhatever. One shouldn't she have been in
class? How did she end upin the bathroom with you know, opening
the chamber? Was she writing inthe diary? Can Tom only communicate with

(58:36):
her through the diary? And wasshe writing in the diary during class or
was she between classes and he toldher to go to the bathroom. She
just happened to go to the bathroom, Like, how did this happen?
How did she get in there?Let's see it. I personally think the
diary has a level of control overher which we kind of can anticipate that,
like, you know, she eventuallystarts speaking, like even if it's
not like a magical control, althoughI think it's partial as like a level

(59:00):
of really emotional control because someone likelistening and like responding to the things that
are bothering her, So it kindof becomes like a kind of like probably
like a companion almost therapist type relationship, or she like starting to like trust
them as like as like a voiceof reason. But then she tries to
go roade for a second, becauseshe tries to approach them and tell them
what's been happening, but fails,and in doing so, it becomes more

(59:22):
scared and more anxious, which madeher even more easily to manipulate. And
that was probably when he could probablyfully take control over her and like do
what he needed to do, becausethat was like the like her attempting to
go rogue broke down like any remaininglike you know bravery we had she had
when she was intercepted like that,Like that was the last bit of like
adrenaline to do the like to dolike the you know, to save herself,

(59:42):
and she got deflected so that hewas able to kind of control her
by that point. Yeah, I'mwith that. I think after the failed
attempt to tell Harry and Ron whatwas happening, she went upstairs, probably
to get her books or something,and the diaries was there. Maybe she
grabbed it, And I agree becauseI think even tom Riddle confirms that he's
able to flit in and out ofthe diary and into Jinny at this point,

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so she probably picked it up,or maybe it accidentally felt open,
or maybe just being in the presenceof the diary, they're so connected that
tom Riddle could come out and hejust realized that it was the time.
It was the opportune time to takeJinny down into the chamber, and they
probably didn't notice. Depending on whatclass you was in or who the teacher
was, they may not have noticed. So do we think this poor girl

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she just went to the bathroom andthen got snatched essially from the bathroom.
I mean that was my theory.Like Myrtle's bathroom, a Myrtle's bathroom or
any bathroom, probably any of them, and they travel to the pipes.
I cannot imagine that they can getup to the other other areas of the
bathroom. Especially she might have evenlike run off the bathroom right after that

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interaction with the boys in the GreatHall, and was kind of panicking,
potentially doing a Draco moment, likefreaking out, and not really kind of
considering where she was located at thetime. Your immediate reaction when you want
to get away from someone is goto your room, get away, go
to the bathroom, you know,somewhere private. And she just kind of
didn't think of where she was going, and that, like you know,
gave the perfect time for him tokind of like snatch her up. She

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might even have the diary on herfor all we know, because she could
have been carrying it to physically showthem the diary when and she rushed into
the bathroom, and that was likeboom, perfect moment. She has the
diary, She's right near where thebastils can easily grab her without anyone noticing.
Now is the time to do it. Well, wait, the basilisk
didn't drag Jenny into the Chamber ofSpats same, but she was in the

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location of which it was easy tolike seize her. So Myrtle's bathroom then,
so she specific isn't Myrtle's bathrooms onthe first floor isn't it like right
down down from the Great Hall.Depends on what book you're reading, but
yes, so, and assuming thatis the case, then she could have
easily not been thinking, was panickingfrom trying to tell them rushes into that

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bathroom, and then that's the perfectmoment to take her into the chamber.
Then when classes resumed, they realizeshe's missing, and that's when everything kind
of goes like, you know,red flags, you know, waving like
Jenny is missing. Where did shego? Oh, we saw her rushing
off in that direction. What ifshe went near the bathroom and blah bla
blah blah blah. Okay, I'mwith you on that. During that time,

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and like in that moment when they'rein that classroom talking about stuff,
it struck me this time that theydon't even have a conversation about why is
it Jinny Weasley? It was taken? Because we very clearly know that the
Air of Slytherin only attacks quote mudbloods, and Ginny is a pure blood.
So I don't know, plot againbeing the obvious answer, but did

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nobody make that connection or think whyis Jinny the one that was taken?
Because it does seem like an oddchoice. Of course it's Ron's sister,
so again plot, but it doesseem like an odd choice to bring Ginny
of all people. But then shewasn't actually attacked either, true, she

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was just taken. Yeah, shewas like a vessel, So it's not
really all that out of place,like I mean, hermione, Yeah,
you just shoot to kill, butin this case, it's like, actually,
maybe a pure blood's probably the bestpossible vehicle you could have. I
mean, isn't that the kind ofpeople that Tom Riddle trusts so utilize the

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pear blood I'm in. I mean, And it's also pretty well perceived that
this is related to Harry as youknow, a person that this is kind
of happening now, So it's alsoquite possible to kind of like who would
be a good person to kind ofcontrol that's like on the inside of the
situation. Jenny is also a firstyear and you know, in some level
as would be perceived a girl.So she's like they probably like, I'm

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assume she might have been a littledistanced this, like, you know,
in the past few months, becauseshe's been like kind of dealing with the
diary and kind of on her herown kind of doing her thing, so
like you know, they kind ofwere like, yeah, she was.
She had an opportune time to beutilized and she had connection to Harry,
so it like it was it makessense to be kind of take someone close.

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And also that was like you know, not able, not didn't have
the education yet to fight back andall that, you know, et cetera,
et cetera. She can be justlifted out whoop, yeah, easily.
And I mean, I'm sure shewas very secluded the past few months
and I don't remember the texts hetalks about it, but I don't know.
My brain always saw her within afew months leading up to this all

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happening, she kind of was likeon her own with the diary, just
kind of writing in it because shewas like struggling. She definitely is.
You think that that was like likethe plan was flushed out from the beginning
because Lucia's just happened to have thediary with him that day at the bookstore,
and he just happened to be ableto slip it into Jenny's things.

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It just happened to be Jenny Weasleythat they bring into or that he ran
into. You ooh, ooh oohooh. I mean it's not coincidence.
Though, it's not coincidence. SoLucius brought it there specifically to get rid
of it that day, and hedecided when he had the kerfuffle with Arthur

(01:05:18):
in Flourish and Blocks, to giveit to one of his kids because Arthur
was blocking a law that Lucius wastrying to get past. Ah, And
I'm sure it was also like,oh, this is perfect because they were
they be in close proximity to Harrythe whole time. It's the diary would

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still kind of be close to Harry, and it was like, you know,
easy, easy target, easy tolike kind of hide it amongst it,
and he knows it's going to getto Hogwarts now where it needs to
be. Well no, wait asecond, because Lucius doesn't know what the
diary is, so he doesn't knowthat it needs to get to Hogwarts.
He just is trying to get ridof it because they've been raiding houses and

(01:05:59):
he doesn't want to a caught withit. Because you remember double Door says
at the end, like Lucia's Malfoy, if he had known that was a
piece of Voltemore's soul, he neverwould have been so careless. Okay,
I didn't think that. I didnot consider that. Yeah, so so
Lucia's had no idea. As muchas we want to pin this plot on
him, a lot of it trulyis happenstance and coincidence and right place,

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right time, happy accident. Yeah, all those things. Could we call
that plot plot? Yes, wecan, we can. Yeah. Should
we talk about the jerk in theroom? Oh? Oh Lockhart, Julia
is ready? You are ready?Oh? I am going to tear this

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guy into and we are going tostart with the administration of this school.
And they're hiring practice schools. Whydid they hire this man? What are
his qualityfications other than writing books thatlike clearly, like an eight year old
could determine were fake it? Again, what are the qualifications? What do

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you need to be and to doin order to be a professor at Hogwarts
other than maybe have attended Hogwarts,in which case nepotism? But what makes
him qualified to teach squat? Soare you asking rhetorically or do you want
me to answer the question? Alittle from column A little from column by

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Okay, because I'm the raven clawin the room, I'll give you the
answer that the author has given us, and then we can decide if that
is valid. Dumbledore needed somebody tofill the spot. It was coming down
to very close to the beginning ofthe year. He didn't have anybody.
He designed to put Lockhart into theroles specifically to expose him as a fraud.

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So he was taking the chance thatand he knew the students probably wouldn't
learn anything from him, but hewanted to put Lockhart in his place while
still filling a position last minute.Not a cool move on Dumbledore's part.
If we believe it's like, hey, let's deprive kids of an education so
I can make this guy look likea juror. I don't feel like it

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would be very hard to make himlook like exactly to be fair, I
mean, he did a pretty goodjob on his own making himself look like
a dirt. So yeah, Like, for example, the whole him trying
to leave leave the school, howdid he expect to get out of the
school. Did he really think thathad Harry and Ron not busted in to

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his office, was he just goingto be able to grab his bags and
stroll right out of the castle likenothing happened? And nobody would notice?
What why? Why? Just why? Yes, he thought that because he's
arrogant af this is fair. That'sthe short answer, my short answer.
I certainly don't think he would havebeen able to do it otherwise, because

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they literally have been patrolling the schoolfor like weeks, if not months now,
Like I'm sure someone be like,hey, where are you going?
Like even not even the teacher,just like even if student be like where's
he heading off? Too? Likeat a time like this, he's just
he's car It's all gets like inconspicuous, he's carrying his bags, like like
where's he going? And then youknow, I just I would love to

(01:09:24):
see like mcgog like grabbing him byhis head and just dragging him back with
her, and she's like, Iwould love to see that. Yeah,
that's actually perfect timing because the kidsare still questered in their common rooms and
all of the teachers are in theirclassrooms. So I guess he probably thought
it was just perfect timing. Andhonestly, let's be real, was anybody
gonna stop him? Nobody was goingto stop him. The only reason he

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did stick around is because Harry andRon made him out of their false hope
that he could actually be helpful andsave Jinny, which is so dumb.
That is so del have been likelike, stick to your original instincts,
kids, and go back to McGonagall. Leave, like leave, no,

(01:10:08):
no, no luck, no Lockhart. Like they should have just walked away.
They should have been okay, walkedout and nothing of value would be
lost. Now, Yeah, andthat's why they never went to McGonagall for
help again, because they feared theywould run into Lockhart. It's like we
go to McGonagall and then Lockhart showsup out of nowhere. I'm like,
yeah, I'm not like regular teachers. I'm a cool teacher. But i

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mean, like, look, ifyou've been sitting in his class long enough
to know that the guy is likeone bs and like you see him fail
at a wizard duel and stuff,like you already know this guy's like sucks
and as a fraud, So like, why is it even worth your time
to frog march him when you're twelvetwo seventh graders frog marching a grown ass

(01:10:54):
man um who clearly doesn't know hisass from his elbow? What's the point?
Like, just let him go besad somewhere and dwell on the fact
that everybody thinks that he sucks.I have always thought that the reason Ron
and Harry push Lockhart in this momentis because they haven't really so when they're

(01:11:21):
in the staff room and they overhearthe conversation about you know, the other
teachers like saying all those things aboutLockhart. Of course they know that he's
a fraud, but they trust theseother teachers. So I'm wondering how much
of a level of okay, well, these teachers, even though they're sort
of making fun of him, maybethey think that he can actually do something.

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Dumbledore does Dumbledore trust Lockhart. I'mjust wondering if there's some misplaced trust
here that the boys think the teachers, even though they're making fun of Lockhart,
maybe have some sort of faith inhim that he's actually going to do
something, which is why they chooseto go to him, because they're trusting
the other people in their life.Total probably total b s. But that's

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the only logical thing I can thinkof as to why they decide to go
to Lockhart those several hours later insteadof going back to McGonagall, who's their
head of house. Also, why, in any circumstances were the teachers asking
him to do this anyway because theyknow he's not going to be able to

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to to do it, and they'rejust like, let time take buy to
wait for him to either tap outand then what was their backup plan?
Like were they anticipated was they alwaysanticipated that Harry was going to somehow figure
it out and go down the latethis whole time, and like that's why
you know, Fox swooped in withlike you know, the sworting hat and
like yeah, like but they likeso that they're just letting potentially Jenny die

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because you need to prove a point. No, no, no, you're
totally right. I just I neverthought about that. Like my, my,
my jaw dropped while you were talking. Because yes, the the students
sit around the common room all afternoon. Harry calls it the longest afternoon of
his life, and you're right,what else is happening? They were just

(01:13:15):
waiting for him to pep the ballout and then they were going to go
in there. But by that time, it's because bedad like she could have
been dead. They just like we'rewaiting because they neither because Dumbledore wanted to
prove a point about him. Likeit was already very clear, like come
on, like, we this isjust overkill at this point, and they
knew they were saying it knowingly.They weren't saying like, oh, we
actually believe you. They say like, yeah, you go down there,
like you gotta do it. Likeso we'll just let this girl die because

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they need to like you know,embarrass you and like it'll be her death
on your hands. But she stilldie nothing like a little child murder to
you know, really sad that someoneis a fraud. The school has like
no safety standards. Do you thinkthat the other teachers were planning something in
the background though? How many ofthem really knew you about the chamber though?

(01:14:00):
So? I mean, were theyjust sending him off saying, hey,
yeah, you go do it,and once he was out of their
way, they developed a plan,But then how would they know where the
chamber is in it? It's likethey had no other plan, but they
just felt like this is the opportunemoment to get rid of him and they
can like a spectacle of him.But like, I just don't understand what

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they're like, if they were thinkingof another plan, why was it still
taking hours? And obviously they nevereven got that far because Harry gets down
there, It's not like anyone waslike near the chamber, like partially broken
into it, Like there was noone even there. And it's probably been
like a good five hours since thisis all like initially unfolded. Were like
nothing's being done to help Jenny becausethey need to make a point to prove

(01:14:43):
of lock Harley. They're obviously likemaybe thought maybe he'd figure it out and
he'll be like a sacrifice and therest of them can go in after him.
But still hours by before that finally, like after like an hour when
I'm like okay, when you justsay, like kick it, you know
you're not gonna do anything. Justfinished backing up and let's go because we
got a kid to say. Butwhat were they going to do if they
didn't know where the chamber was?Is there any world where we think anyone

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was trying to get ahold of Dumbledorein that time? I would think that
McGonagall maybe dilly dulling though, Likewere they really just holding out hoping he'd
come in? Like was no onelike whipping into like I need to protect
these kids, like nod, likeI would have been like prefects now,
like the kids care more about thesafety of the of a student than the

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actual professors do. And then likethey like, you know, it still
took them forever, but at leastthey finally did something, and like,
you know, ample time. Iguess they could have assumed that that you
know, Jenny was going to beheld is like you know, ransom essentially
and like waiting for someone to comeup down there and save or so they
had to keep her alive. ButI still that my point still stands that
I just like I cannot believe thatthey're like willing to blow so much time

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to just to prove a point aboutLockhart in the event that that's what the
you know, assuming that we agreewith what was said about you know,
Lockhart's original place at Hogwart to beginwhen Yeah, so their timeline just again,
I'm looking in chapter sixteen of thebook. Here, mid morning is
when McGonagall catches Harry and Ron tryingto find morning myrtle quote unquote. Ten

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minutes later, while they're in thegoing down or while they're in the staff
room is when McGonagall announces the thing. So that's like sometime mid morning quote
the longest afternoon in Harry's life issitting in the dormitory, and then at
sunset Harry and Ron go to findLockhart. And so this is in May.
So think about what time the sunsetpre so you're looking at the entire

(01:16:43):
afternoon and one thirty eight to eighto'clock. Now it's mid morning, dude,
it's mid morning. It's like teno'clock, not even like, oh,
you're right, yeah, ten amto like eight pm, almost like
a full twelve hours. Something isfinally done, and it's not even anything
that's done by the staff. It'sthe two students that finally swoop been there
inducing and there was no even evidencethat anyone else had been doing anything up

(01:17:06):
until that point. They just sittingand staring at each other and saying,
what do we do? Like waitingfor? Like, I think this is
a really good question to throw toour listeners. Yeah, I need to
know other people's opinions because I'm justlike the flabberg assid I mean, remember
too, that we're seeing these throughthese books through Harry's point of view,
so it's very possible something was happening. Of course, we don't know what

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that is, but it's definitely funto speculate. But there's no way in
hell in my opinion that McGonagall isjust sitting there, I would tend to
believe she's trying to get ahold ofDumbledore harming other plans like Snape is probably
doing dark, arty things. Idon't know, but this is a good
one for our listeners. I absolutelyagree, because but I just I'm like

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just saying, like every eight pm, nothing has really been happening to even
get into the no one was inthe chamber at that point, Like what
I think, boys, how tosid I just keep a step that cannot
do anything like what would have happenedthen if they love the teachers continue with
figuring it out, because that couldhave been another five six hours. But
it's just seeing how nothing really hadvisibly changed by that point. Well,

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let's let's lift the mood a littlebit here a minutia a minute amount.
Uh uh Harry's signature spell expelling armis, which he learned from Snape earlier in
this book. Ironically, Uh finallymakes an appearance. Who yeah and wand

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that isn't broken ends up in Ron'shand and he throws it out a window
like why why wait a minute,yes, says he and just yet Oh
my gosh, I totally misprinted.Harry disarmed him, So it's technically Harry's

(01:18:55):
wand but could it's not like theycan have like a little stupid duel.
He's like, oh no, maybehere have this one car was blasted backward,
falling over his trunk. His wineflew high into the air. Ron
caught it and flung it out ofthe open window. Oh my god,
how did I never catch that linebefore? I mean, did he think

(01:19:15):
it's because his his broken one andfinally came to good use. It's like,
oh, it's a it's a it'sa means it's actually gonna be like
lucky now. So like he haslike, yeah, come on, still
keep it for an extra, Imean, have a backup one. I'm
sure those things aren't cheap. Theyaren't. That's why he doesn't have a
new one. Okay, So Ron, what are you doing? Baby wasting?

(01:19:38):
That's very wasteful, Ron, verywaste. Wow. That is like
someone just tossed you a brand newcar and you pulling it out a window
and you're still driving a hoop tieand they could they could use that brand
new car too. Wow, thatis the most impulsive Griffin door thing that
Ron might not ever but I meanthat's a long list, but that's that's

(01:20:01):
pretty dumb. Oh h, it'sjust throwing that money right out the window.
And you know what was probably likea really nice one. Yeah,
yeah, I mean I can't evenargue that's like, oh well he thought
like if you like, if youknow, if Lockhart managed to grab on
to it again, like you know, he would be able to take it
back, because that could be saidabout any wand, Like, yeah,

(01:20:24):
I mean it's still his wants,it still has a little more of affinity
to him, but like he couldstill probably grab someone else's wand and sort
of kind of use it to dodamage. So like he would have been
more useful in Ron's hands even ifhe kept it just to keep it away
from Lockhart if all the same,Like I just googled real quick, and
Lockhart's wand is nine inches with mids, made of cherry with a dragon heartstring

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and is described as slightly bendy.So cherry is a nice wood. So
you're right. I do think itwas probably a pretty extravagant looking wand.
So oh you know, there's likegems in it and stuff. He's probably
really bedazzled. It's like partly likeLiberachi style, you know, like maybe
there's like a chandelier hanging off itor something like that. Wow, certainly

(01:21:10):
not understated. Yeah, I cannotbelieve. I never caught that line that
he throws it out the window.I never caught it until I was rereading
it either, and I was like, wait, wait what and you have
to go back and read it again. Just the kind of double thing could
he eat actually just threw it outthe window? Hybric acid? Oh like
that. But now you get alive wand just lying around outside thee Like
anybody could pick that up. Theadventures that one must have gone on,

(01:21:34):
Hey what's this a first year?Even? Hey what's this? And all
hell breaks loose? Yeah? Wheredid that wand end up? That would
make a fun fan fiction even ifyou didn't want it. He could have
pawned it for to buy another wandlike there was other things he could have
done with it that weren't like tobenefit himself, Like like there were so

(01:21:54):
many options. Instead of just liketossing, they penetrating it and that's it.
Liked buy so mad about this oneon? You think it was just
like the impulse where he was like, oh, it's Lockhart's wand you and
then just toss it. Also,I don't know I would have broken it
over my leg if that was thecase, pulled the end of end of

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the last movie, Harry a momentyou have, Julia, you have more
impulse control than Ron does. So, yes, I'm also not a twelve
year old Yeah right, yeah forsure. Okay, well let's go on
and talk about a twelve maybe thirteenyear old girl. We're back to Myrtle
and a little bit of that conversationwe talked about at the top of the
show. Yeah, yeah, solet's let's get let's dig a little bit

(01:22:38):
deeper since we weren't able to atthe top. It seems like Ashure,
you had some strong thoughts, andI think Shanna, you do too,
right Wyah. The biggest thing isit more Myrtle, Like I feel bad
for her. I just I feelreally bad for her. She's trapped in
the bathroom. Nobody ever comes totalk to her, and everybody like the
stairs clear of the bathroom, sayingoh, this is a client ghost whatever.

(01:23:01):
But she's just she's misunderstood, andI'm sure she's lonely, and when
she starts telling Harry and Ron,when they ask her how she died,
she gets excited, and you know, I think she's just thrilled that somebody
is actually paying attention to her.And it makes my heart happy and sad
at the same time, because I'mlike, oh, poor Myrtle, Poor

(01:23:21):
Myrtle. All she needs is somebodyto talk to, you, Like,
she never had any friends in life, and now everybody see hers, clear
of her when she's dead, andit's just it's sad. It's so sad.
Yeah, just as I said earlier, she's like was ceaselessly bullied,
as we know when she was actuallya student, and now that she's a
ghost, it's only she doesn't evengets a break from it or gets like,

(01:23:42):
you know, just beautiful actually restin peace. She has to get
the same bullying she's been getting,like, you know, since she was
alive. Now that she's dead,not a single person kind of like to
like, unless you know, we'regoing by what we said earlier, and
hopefully was befriended by like at leastLuna, which would be great, but
you know, and Luna and Hurtcould probably really commiserate to because Luna's also
kind of like picked on a bitand like you know seeing as like other,

(01:24:03):
which is why I don't think Hermionewould really be that friendly with Myrtle
because we see that she kind ofjudges Luna, and I kind of think
that she would judge Myrtle too.I think she would see her as like
needlessly like emotional kind of unfortunately,but um I think, yeah, I
think Myrtle would give her like asensory overload also, which is why I

(01:24:23):
just don't think she likes her.But it doesn't mean she doesn't deserve friends
and like like kindness, and it'sjust it's so horrible because she just,
like I said, she didn't getto grow out of that like kind of
like awkward social phase. Like yeah, she's a bit like kind of overbearing,
doesn't really understand like boundaries, butshe's probably just so desperate for like
affection and like attention that like she'slike kind of doing what she like only

(01:24:44):
knows how to, which is likebe kind of awkward and weird because like
negative attention is better than none.Yeah, and like it's just like it's
so unfortunate to like see like youknow, not she doesn't even get like
a chance to like her friend toanybody, because all the other ghosts are
like, you know, older thanher, like and like, you know,
like, um, you know HelenaRavenclaw, Like she's still like kind

(01:25:04):
of on her own, still older, like an older teenager, I think,
is what it's kind of like,which, um, she like she's
not really like you know, anyoneclose to her age to talk to,
and she has like no like significantimportance to like the houses or anything like
that, so she's not like itdoesn't have a status. Like her entire
thing is like she's a ghost ofthe bathroom, and that's kind of it.
I have a question, I guessabout ghosts in general, and maybe

(01:25:28):
you guys can clear this up forme. All the ghosts and Hogwarts d
die at Hogwarts, right, Idon't no, I don't no, I
don't think so. I don't think. I don't think so. I think
that as a ghost, you chooseto go back to a place of significance

(01:25:49):
for you, if I remember correctly, that would make sense because I'm pretty
sure that Nick wasn't beheaded at Hogwarts, right, That be really dark,
really dark if that were the games. Yeah, However, I do see
Hogwarts as like a hill house typeof deal, where like if you die

(01:26:12):
there, you're kind of like suckthere, Like it kind of serves as
like a confinement to any spirit thatchooses to be there or dies there and
unfortunately just get the option. Becausewith Myrtle, she was vanished back the
Hogwarts, wasn't she because she wasgoing off to um hot Olive Horby.
You're right, and yeah, andshe had to go to the ministry.

(01:26:32):
You get an order to make Myrtlesstay, That's right. That's that's why
I don't see it as like alike a hill house in the same like
haunted regard, but like it's kindof like once you get like you're stuck
as it goes at Hogwarts, it'sreally hard to get out of there.
Like if you choose to be there, then like great, But if you
don't choose to be there, likegood lecture to get rid of your kind
of thing. I just wish tolike, she she's not confined to the

(01:26:55):
plumbing, is she think? No? Because she goes it down into the
black Okay, so she's not confined, but she's not confined to water though,
is she? I don't think soI don't think so. I think
she just likes to, like say, in the place that she died as
kind of like you know, no, because she comes she goes to Nearly
Headless next Death Day party. Ijust think she's just because she's not really

(01:27:18):
friendly with anyone like ghosts or otherwise. She kind of just like kicks in
the album where she's like, youknow, comfortable, which like her say,
space is like the first floor bathroom. I just wish someone would like
give her a book or something atleast, you know. Well that begs
the question, and this is thisis actually great. We've talked about this
on so many episodes over the lastum, oh my gosh, eleven years.

(01:27:41):
Um, but Julia, do youthink that if you die with like
a pad of paper and pencils andpens and colored markers and I don't know,
a ghost don't have them. ButI was gonna say, like a
cell phone or maybe a radio,do you take all of those things into

(01:28:02):
your life, like your your nextlife with you as a ghost and you
can use them. We've talked aboutthis like so because because the the Headless
Hunt Rights Nearly have this Nicke aletter they write them a letter, So
they have mail in the ghost world. Okay, so they have corporeal objects

(01:28:24):
or at least objects which ghosts canuse. And I guess that that beggars
the question. Is there like aspecific you know, like ghost store where
they can buy like ghost stationary orghost books or whatever. But I mean,
if you have like a book onyour person when you die, I
presume that the book comes with you. Unfortunately you're going to be stuck reading

(01:28:47):
the same stupid Tom Clancy novel forlike the rest of eternity. Well that's
your own fault. Then if youhave a Tom Clancy novel with you,
yeah, I mean that was yourfirst mistake. The death was the second
one. Um, But I don'tknow. I mean, like I I'm
somewhere torn between. There must besome kind of like ghostly object store or

(01:29:13):
you just happen to be holding aream of paper when you died. I
don't think I've ever commented on thisstance before, so I do want to
lend my thoughts. I think giventhe information we have, like like nearly
had headless nakes like Death Day Partyand everything like that, I think they're
like you said, there's ghost itemsand things that I kind of like like
belong to their realm. I don'tknow how that how things become that way.

(01:29:35):
I don't know if it's like amagic thing or if it's a if
it's like if you burn a booksuddenly now it's a ghost book, Like
I don't like as a sacrifice kindof thing, like it the salt and
burn it kind of that kind ofthing. But uh so that's kind of
where where I land. But inreal life, I think, no,
I don't think. I think whenyou die, if you become a spirit,
Like it's just it's just you werejust talking about. I have a

(01:29:58):
whole other stance because I'm a firmbeliever in the supernatural in real life.
So yeah, yeah, I liketo think that there is a ghost diagon
alley where they can go and buyall their ghostly supplies, because I think
that's way more fun than But wheredo they get the stuff for the ghost
like for the ghost shops? Likehow does it become ghost stuff? Now?
I'm thinking, like how do youget Maybe maybe Asher's right, maybe

(01:30:18):
all those books that everybody's been burningover the last century are now ghost books.
So ghost library books, all thethings, all the things I would
love some of the books that wereburned that don't even exist anymore, just
like to read them. Yeah,ghost society. There's a whole ghost society,
lucky, like an underground ghost world. Yeah, so doesn't that make

(01:30:42):
you feel a little bit better forMyrtle? Now she could go out there
and get friends if she wanted to. She just chooses not to. And
I don't think I don't know ifI would say she was in as a
whole, because I think she's shedoesn't have the emotional intelligence to given the
ages she died to really kind oflike take heed and do those things because
she was just like has probably beenlike bullied into a point of like she
thinks that she only deserves her bathroom. I really do firmly believe that she's

(01:31:04):
really very mentally unsound because she justconstant criticism, like for like however long
she's been dead, I forget howmany years it's been, Like what thank
you? Uh? Fifty years ofbullying with like no other like out is
probably taken. And also just beingdead and the traumatic way that she died

(01:31:26):
in no way to like kind ofprocess through those emotions like a ghost therapist.
We need to get one of thetheist we need we need to hire
a ghost therapist for hogwarts. Ithink she needs help, but you know,
like they need to. Yeah,I think I think she might be
a bit agoraphobic also and kind ofbe like afraid to leave. I don't

(01:31:49):
think she's allowed to leave because ofthat the order that Yeah, exactly that
too. So she even even ifshe could, I don't know she probably
even if she was able to goto ghociety. I don't think she could
go to a ghost society. Butdo they have a delivery service delivery ghost
Amazon or something. I'm trying toI'm trying to think of a good ghost

(01:32:11):
Amazon. I don't know. Hangon, I'm working on this right now.
Our listeners will come up with fortyof them, so let's toss it
to them. Come on, listeners, wow us with your puns. Bones
and Noble, that's the one,Bones and Noble, amazing instead of DHL
it'shlol, okay amazing. We're justkicking it off again. Sorry, Well,

(01:32:39):
anybody, if you are interested inthe ghost book industry, remember it
started here and all royalties are accepted, right, yes, absolutely, Um,
let's move on to talk about somethinga lot less fun, but definitely
a lot more slimy, which ispipes and the actual way they get down
to the Chamber of Secrets. Howgross is it? First off, that's

(01:33:01):
in a bathroom, but it gross, I mean to get it. We
get the whole history of the Chamberof Secrets over on Pottermore Rip if you
want to go read about it there. But basically, Hugwarts used to not
have indoor plumbing. When they madeindoor plumbing, somehow it got connected to
the Chamber of Secrets and Slytherin waslike, or somebody was like, let's

(01:33:24):
put the entrance to the chamber inthe bathroom because this makes the most sense.
Yeah. So, and we alsolearned in that piece that this is
not the first time the chamber hasbeen opened since Slytherin and since the time
fifty years before. There was anothertime before that. Now, my biggest
question with all of that is withthe chamber being opened multiple times. And

(01:33:45):
now we know that the basketballs itwas traveling through the pipes, right,
but the chamber was opened multiple times. How in the world and all those
times that it was open did onlywell, I guess, seven people counting
Myrtle or if you want to say, six people in a cat are the
only ones that encounter the bassilist,and more so shocking, the only one

(01:34:06):
person has died, and then inthe sixth most recent attack, everybody just
happened to luck out and only bepatrified. Like, I mean, the
odds are a little extremely low.Yeah, we'll sketchy to me. I
in terms of like how no onekind of knew about it, I do

(01:34:29):
think that the only reason Harry knowsis because he hears you can understand parcels
hngue, which then I'm like,is the basilist is kind of like mumbling
it to itself as it kind ofslithers around. It's like, yeah,
I'm just going to talk to myself, and Harry overhears the conversations on the
die Crunch Crunch Eat die, Like, wow, the thoughts of a basilist.

(01:34:50):
But also be like kind of areally big liability if it like made
a lot of noise, Because snakesare sneaky creatures by nature, and they
slither along for a reason. They'rekind of very silent. So if it's
making a ton of noise while it'smoving around, I think that'd be like
very very bad um. And youknow, as for the death thing,
it's, um, you know,we're still in kind of like the happy
go lucky era of the of thestories. It has in turned like the

(01:35:13):
dark side where everyone everyone dies.Um, so i'd be kind of really
bad at this point in time tohave like, you know, potentially like
six deaths of students. So Iassume that's part of the reason too.
It's like, yeah, in theend, no one died, everyone was
fixed. But that's so realistic though, Like that's what I mean obviously here,
I mean, obviously it's not realistic, but I mean, at least

(01:35:35):
and this is going to sound sodark, but at least one of them
should have Dick And I'm sorry,I'm very sorry. It would have made
more could that he was very andI could not and it should not have
been the cat. That's all Istand, missus Norris. I don't care.

(01:35:56):
I still think we could have killedColin. Colin, I mean,
I mean he dies anyway, doesn'the. I know this is true.
I mean eventually he dies, sowe're just prolonging the inevitable. And this
probably would have been more of awell, I don't know, because he
died fighting in the battle, didn'the Yeah, yeah, but I don't
know, they probably picked up allthose people, stacked him up like Cordwood

(01:36:18):
had some mass wizard funeral. Yeah, it's kind of horrible to think of
the aftermath of that, of that, just the level of clean up.
I mean, has tons of friends, ghost like, she has tons of
kids her age and just joined her. Oh that's so dark. Oh my

(01:36:41):
god. Do you think that theyavoid her still the satisfyart? Oh my
god. Wait, So like youhave a bunch of like teenage ghosts who
are all confined to Hogwarts, whichyou know, first of all sucks for
their parents because you gotta like youwant to go see your dad back to
school. Yeah. Um. Buton the other hand, like all these
kids were like nasty to her whileshe was a ghost, and they were

(01:37:04):
like, oh that toilet, Andso now she's stuck in perpetuity of these
other kids enjoying each other's company mightand they're like, oh, they're all
friends. Oh, it's it's sobad. So somehow, like maybe the
Battle of Hogwarts may have made thingseven worse for Myrtle. It's like a

(01:37:25):
poor poor Knicks, Like next yearhis death the anniversary's admotations are like just
tripled, and the amount admitations toeach of the ghosts in the castle like
a rotting food at that part.Does that mean if there's also like ghosts
of like the Voldemort's army there,like it's going to be constant like confliction
or like can they get out ofthere? Like what's going on? Like

(01:37:48):
can they can they? Can theyorder a restraining order on them? Like
they have to be banished because theirghosts not poltergeist, like you know,
it was pieces a whole different ballgame. It's like, can they order
like a banishment least, like theygo somewhere else? Do they get like
the equivalent of like you know,purgatory like for them for the people that
are like you know, oh mygosh, I know that's not even relating
to like this chapter technically, butlike we were on the concept of ghosts,

(01:38:11):
No, I never considered that wheredo they go? Yeah, okay,
so as we know most of thegoats goats there. The ghosts at
Hogwarts didn't die there. They canask to be there, apparently, they
can ask to be I also standwith the thought, but I also stand
by the fact that like if youdie at Hogwarts, is a good chance

(01:38:32):
you stay at Hogwarts because Myrtle,like they said, like the cat said,
Myrtle tried to ask for like,you know, allowment to like go
elsewhere, and they said no.So I'm anticipating that might happen a lot
because I still stand by the factthat Hogwarts is kind of like a Hillhouse
type energy where, like the ghostyou have a really hard time escaping if
you die there, Like if you'rethere, you're you're anticipating that you're probably

(01:38:54):
gonna be there for life unless youget like a really good reason to be
able to move elsewhere. But Ithink, like you know, the like
the Evil Vole, the Army ghosts, like they Dumbledore can file like a
restraining order and all them saying likethey gotta go elsewhere there because they would
reak havoc, like I mean notas much as like Peas does, I'm
sure, because they have less energy, but like the every few years that'd

(01:39:16):
be an issue with them like beingthere, Like eventually this is gonna cause
some damage because there's a bunch ofevil ghosts. Yeah, I was gonna
say, like then you have acollective of evil ghosts, you just like
a lot to come back to Hogwarts, you know, there has to be
he has to be able to putin an order at the ministry and say,
hey, these ghosts, put themsomewhere out and just I don't care

(01:39:39):
where. Just put them somewhere elseand I don't care where. Actually does
sound very Dumbledore because it requires nothinking about anybody else. Yeah, so
population like tripled in size of theghosts at Hogwarts following the final the final
battle. So oh that's Sam.Well, let's hope that's that's what we

(01:40:00):
were all talking about, because nowthere's a bunch of like ghosts Myrtle's age
that also live in the castle.But like if they all avoid her,
then she's gonna watch a bunch ofkids powing around while she's still left out
of the out of the bunch becauseyou know, they still didn't like her
anyway, let's hope that didn't happen. Yeah, Like we're gonna we're gonna
say that they'll finally like a moreof an equilibrium because they're like, oh,

(01:40:21):
we get it now, like wefeel bad for you, Like we
understand where you're coming from. Hey, yeah, you're a ghost. I'm
a ghost. I understand you now, and they like found common bonds in
their ghostness, and none of themwill ever finish progressing through adolescents, so
it's perfect, which also could justmean it'll turn the opposite and they do
a Lord of the Flies arrow whereeveryone just like against each other constantly,

(01:40:43):
just a constant fighting. But aghost can't kill another ghost, that's true.
But you know, but somehow ghostcan die again? Is that what
you were talking about when I missedwhen my internet dropped more or less year
were we were talking about, becauseI forget where the where the conversation had
started, But we're talking about likehow like, um, if you like
die at Hogwarts and may are moreor less stay there than there's like everyone

(01:41:04):
in the final battle, like likeyou know, Colin Creevey dies anyway,
so he could have died here,But like that also means that maybe he's
living at Hogwarts now because when hedies, eventually him and a bunch of
other students all die on the propertyof Hogwarts, as well as a bunch
of Voldemort's army also dies in theproperty of Hogwarts. So what happens then,
But you have to choose to comeback as a ghost you don't automatically

(01:41:29):
come back. Yeah, but areyou? Are you? Is it hard
to believe that Voldemorts Army wouldn't chooseto come back as ghost with the sole
intention of like haunting Hogwarts as theirrevenge. I don't think they would get
anything out of that though, No, only I mean some of them.
Maybe some of them, but nota lot of them. They're evil,
but are they petty? I thinka few of them are well. Um,

(01:41:49):
before I dropped, I want toget us back to the Chamber of
Secret stuff instead of Ghosts are amazingand a lovely topic. But that's for
another episode. But I wanted toread this little part because again, before
my internet dropped, we were talkingabout the other times of the chamber had
been opened, and actually one ofTom Riddle's aunt ascendants, So someone who

(01:42:13):
came after No, there are antsbefore aunts before. Yes, Corvenist Gaunt
actually is the one who had openedthe chamber previously. Yeah. They talk
about how the Hogwarts plumbing became moreelaborate and they put the entrance there,

(01:42:34):
and it says the presence in schoolat the time of a student called Corvenist
Gaunt, the direct descendant of Slytherinand an ant ascendant of Tom Riddle,
explains how the simple trapdoor was secretlyprotected so that those who knew could still
access the entrance to the chamber evenafter the new fingal plumbing had been placed
on top of it. It goeson to say that whispers of a monster

(01:42:55):
living in the depths of the castlewere also prevalent for centuries. This is
because those who could hear and speakparcel tongue we're not always as discreet as
they might have been. The Gauntfamily could not resist boasting of their knowledge.
Nobody else could hear the creature slidingthrough the floorboards or laterally through the
plumbing, so they didn't really havemany believers, and none until Tom Riddle
dared unleash the monster in the castle. So I think that's sort of I

(01:43:20):
don't think he was bringing it outto kill people. I think he was
bringing it out quote unquote to boastabout his ancestry and all of that.
So I think that's probably why therehad been no other attacks or casualties.
If you believe that that stuff issomething to be worthy of consideration. Could

(01:43:43):
he have been technically doing it forboth both to break havoc and also to
boast because he's like, look whatthis monster you also didn't exist, can
do like I'm gonna. I'm gonna, you know, eliminate the student body
by showing you the true power ofthe thing you all, you know,
rejected kind of thing, because weknow he kind of had a mean streak
from the from the get girl,like he was kind of like rotten from
the very beginning, and like,you know, learning he had magical abilities

(01:44:08):
only kind of heightened his like desireto do harm. Wait, who are
you talking about tom? Oh?No, I was talking. I was
talking about the Gaunts, not tomNo, I know. But when you
said when he brought the bassettsk out, he wanted to like kind of show
it off, right, Or areyou talking about someone? I was talking
about the Gaunts. Oh okay,I didn't. I didn't know who he
was referring to. Yeah, no, no, the pretty the text prior

(01:44:30):
to the ones. Okay, becauseI was gonna say, I don't think
he would have just he wouldn't havebrought out the baskets with the intention of
doing harm. That's my fault,my bad, yeaherring to It's okay,
I mean I also backtracked because myInternet dropped and I was gone singing a
song about oreos, which I'm sureif Patrick will use as the blooper please

(01:44:53):
to be kept in. Yeah,it'll probably be. At the end we
were talking about ghosts and you werethinking about the sum totally different orios ghosts
ghost stiosh, if you die apack of oreos, do you have ghost
and they're still gonna be amazing thatI'd better be buried with a pack of

(01:45:16):
oreos. Then no, you can'tbe buried with the origo. Have to
die with orios carr osund hearing themthen oo always on me. Yeah,
totally braver pants, cargo pockets,stuffed them with not that Tom Clancy novel
and ghost oreos because one day wemay all die and we'll want those origans.

(01:45:41):
It's true. Okay, So let'sum talk about the very very very
end of this chapter. The boysand Lockhart have slimmed down the pipes and
now they're down there. Um.Ron mentions, I think I think it's
Harry. He says, we mustbe miles under the castle and Ron's lake.

(01:46:02):
Probably under the lake. Do weknow that? Where is the chamber?
Like do we know that. Arewe ever going to know that?
No? No, no, Butdoes it make can basilisks swim? Like?
Um, why would ron assume it'sunder the lake just because it's wet
and dank and kind of gross.But sewers are always kind of wet and

(01:46:26):
dank and kind of gross, especiallyunderground. So I would assume they can
swim because snakes can swim. Notall snakes can swim them. I think
if a could swim, it wouldgive it too much power. It would
be way too opie if it couldswim. Also, so I'm gonna go
with no way too what overpowered?Is that slaying the kids are using?

(01:46:49):
Or do you just make that upa while? It's like, you know,
overpowered, regret to say that thisis very much a game. Ah
okay, that's why I don't getit. Yeah, oh oh oh okay,
Oh no, never mind. Iwas like, basilisk swim well according
to the Internet, but baton,it turns out that that was like actual

(01:47:10):
lizards that are called basilisk, Sowell about maybe it could do historical basilisks
swim noted basilisks of history the commonbat right that the common basilisk is probably
what you found the green crested basilisk. You're right, there are a lot

(01:47:31):
of lizards called basilisks. Well,they're neither large nor will they immediately kill
you with their gaze. Right.Well, I did a lot of research
for basilisks for the Companion, andI never found anything about them swimming.
So let's assume that they can swim, and that Ron is just making an

(01:47:51):
assumption. Yeah, okay, SoI'm thinking to myself, all right,
the basilisk is just it's moving throughthe pipes at school, right, Like,
so is there no water in thosepipes? That's a good question,
because that would be like a Megaco. Pipes consistently filled with water, though,
or they only fill with water whensomeone like flushes something. I don't

(01:48:14):
like how plumb plumbing works, Imean tbh, and either do I.
But like, I feel that ifthe pipes happen to have like a very
very very large snake in them,um, you're gonna end up with toilet
clogs. Right, So we don'texplode because it's gonna create We imagine how
the basilists must smell. Probably notgreat, probably a little too like toilet

(01:48:36):
e um. But the thing islike, Okay, if the basilisk is
clogging up the pipes, someone flushesa toilet. Okay, the toilet's clogged,
so step one, take a plungerto it. All right, we
get we get filched to go dothe job that nobody else would do,
or maybe we get a house elfto do it or something like that.

(01:48:58):
You try to plunge it. Nothing'shappening, and they're like, Okay,
that's not working, so you goget your toilet snake and that doesn't necessarily
do anything either, or worse,it gets like eaten. So and this
would happen every now and then youthink they'd be able to figure out,
Okay, something is very very wrongwith the plumbing here. Yeah, but

(01:49:20):
the basilist lives in the chamber,which isn't the pipes and travels super gross.
But the pipes were described as slimy, so they must be working pipes.
And also if something were flowing inthe pipes when the basilisk was in
it, he could just sell it. I'm sorry, and now we know

(01:49:44):
what basilisks. It's real gross.It's real Grossapa so badly is that another
game or reference? Don't don't clarify, Kappa are Japanese um logical creature um.
And they are half turtle half likeduck bird and they like swim in

(01:50:08):
the pipe plumbing of like houses andlike pop up and toilets. With that,
I thought they're just say, cucumbersand we're really big. That's also
part of it. But like theythey're they're they are like they're scary factors
that they traveled the plumbing like peoplelike you know, bite you on the
butt. Essentially. Yeah, it'smentioned. It's me. They're mentioned and
fantastic beasts. I was supposed KappaIs that what you're saying, Kappa?

(01:50:31):
Yeah, kappas. Oh, you'rejust saying it with a different accent.
I don't know which one is,right, Okay, I'm pretty sure the
k right. Yeah, Okay,I've heard of those now that you Yeah,
now that I understand and all that. No, just thinking like being
in the bathroom and having something likethat toilet, like what this kind of

(01:50:55):
thing apparently happens in like Florida allthe time. Is it like a python
will just come out of toilet?Yeah, terrible fear, No, thank
you, it's fine. Just anotherreason not coming out of your toilet have
to always personally, I always likelift bloom, like take a peek.
Okay, good to go, it'sa we can't have it now. Yeah,

(01:51:18):
that makes sense. Um, therecould also be two sets of pipes
we purposefully Yeah, so if that, if one of the Gaunts was there,
or like any descendant of Slytherin,when they converted to the pipes,

(01:51:40):
they could have been like, okay, let's put this big set of pipes
in for the basilisk and a normalset of pipes for the poop. But
also remember, like there's that BSthing that was on potter More that then
people like found and made a hugefreaking deal about how wizards used to poop
on the street and then just banishtheir poop. So maybe they don't even

(01:52:01):
flush. What do they need toiletsand indoor plumbing for if they can just
vanish their crap. Well, I'dlike to think that, you know,
over the course of time, oncethey discovered that, you know, muggles
use toilets, that maybe they wouldstart to evaluate and be like, you
know what, maybe it's kind ofgross that we like crap on the ground
and we actually have like a viablesolution to those problems. Sure, I

(01:52:26):
think the usage of the toilet isundeniably fair, but the act of the
flushing, Why do wizards feel theneed to do that if they can just
vanish their poop into nothing? Okay, So now here's the here's the horrible
part because on it was the threeseventy three we were when we were talking
about the idea of vanishing and like, you know, like the room where

(01:52:47):
all the lost things go, likethe you know, the requirement or guess
Marguerite thought that when you vanished something, that's where it goes and that circumstance.
And I kind of stood that bythat idea too. Even the worse
now because I kind of signed ontothat. I feel like that's kind of
what I thought it was like.And now I'm like, no, I'm
just sitting but maybe but maybe biotcheck maybe the maybe biological matter doesn't go

(01:53:15):
there, but where does it go? But I suppose all things are biological
in a way, right, We'reall made up of the same stuff.
I don't know, I've always thoughtI've always subscribed to that theory too.
As sure you're not the only one. Yeah, I did mean to bring
up the vanishing poop. It's justwe're on talking about pipes and toilets and
snakes. You know, I alwayspicture that, you know, the Room

(01:53:39):
requirement like that where every all theloss up goes is like the guy from
Halloween Town's house. We're all like, but I having lost the item,
they show up in that guy's house. Everybody's name at which movie it was?
I think it's the third one.Yeah, it's the third one.
That's why I kind of always pictureit, like so when when when Marguerite
also said like, oh maybe whenyou vanished, that's where it goes.

(01:54:00):
Anyway, Yeah, living with thatpicture in my head, Well, the
good news is if it does goto the Room of Requirement, there's absolutely
no reason that someone would open thatroom and you'd find just everyone's crap.
Oh but wait, but don't forgetthere are different versions of the room.

(01:54:21):
So maybe if it does go tothe Room for Requirement, it goes to
the poop room and nobody. Yeah, this one's walking around like carrying like
and there's a there's like a miscommunication. Someone's walking around carrying all that.
They're like they're like, you know, illegal objects, and they're like looking
hoping for like the Room of lostthings to hide, said objects and like,

(01:54:42):
man, I need to find aplace to get rid of all my
crap. But there's a little bitof a miscommunication that falls out. It's
like the scene from the Shining Buttonfrom the Odator doors up. But it's
Wow, this episode took a realturn. I'm talking about, you know,

(01:55:05):
traumatized thirteen year olds. Where doesthe poop go? Wow? Since
we're on the topic of questionable magic, the last point I want to bring
up. And then Julia, youlike haven't trashed Lockhart nearly enough, so
I think we need to like seta timer and give you two minutes to

(01:55:27):
just trash him totally. But atthe end, it specifically says that Lockhart
raises his wand over his head andyells obliviate. Is that just because the
author had no idea? Like,why would he point it over his head

(01:55:49):
if he's trying to erase the memorieswith the people standing in front of him,
Because the ones concentrate magic, sowhen you concentrate it towards the people
rather than the seal. And Iknow that the answer again is plot,
but I imagine a flourish Yeah,I was thinking like that, you can't

(01:56:11):
do anything, like, you know, without like being like I make a
whole like, you know, aspectacle. So I kind of figured it
was like this whole little like I'mgonna make it a real, like you
know, moment to raise your memories. I'm gonna make it look real like
fancy schmancy, like whoa, andthen like'll be a drama quin about it.
Okay, you've you have convinced me. Okay, are you prepared?

(01:56:33):
All right? So hang on,wait, I'm gonna give I'm I'm gonna
give you an actual timer just becauseit makes it a lot more fun.
Okay, really, okay, it'llit'll get bigger once it starts, and
I'll make sure you can see it. Okay, go all right. So

(01:56:55):
I mean, look, the kidscan smell a fraud a mile way.
After all of my years of teachinghigh school, what I know is that
students know a bad teacher when theysee one. They I mean, the
book even demonstrates like, okay,that ghost teacher whose name I can't hold
to mind. Yes, he's boringhis hell and everybody's like falling asleep in

(01:57:19):
his class, So they already knowthat he kind of sucks, but maybe
he's good at imparting material. Idon't know, he's just really dull.
But Lockhart doesn't actually teach anything,and the kids know that. And I'm
thinking, Okay, I'm a kidat Hogwarts. My teacher is not teaching

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me. I have a go toperson who's like my house faculty, so
like it wouldn't be a stretch forHermione to go to McGonagall and be like
this Lockhart guy is trash actually,and maybe we should, you know,
get like someone who is commotent tobe teaching this class, like Dumbledore,

(01:58:03):
who has made like a gazillion questionableto awful decisions as an administrator of this
very small, obviously very selective school. He hires him as a joke.
This benefits nobody. It doesn't evenbenefit Dumbledore. It just it's like,

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here's an opportunity for me to draga famous guy, isn't that funny?
Lll? And meanwhile, you havea bunch of kids who are getting no
education of any kind from an idiot. And so I'm saying, like,
once again, I said, whatis Hogwarts hiring practices? But what are
Hogwarts firing practices? Do they haveany? Because they should? WHOA How's

(01:58:56):
that? For? Exactly two minuteskilled it. Clapp snaps, thank you
very good. Absolutely, and Ithink that was the perfect way to close
out the show because now our listenersare going to sound off in the comments
because that's what they do, that'swhat they do best. Yeah, it's
also just in response though, it'sso funny that Hermione was more infatuated with

(01:59:18):
him than she wasn'tnoyed that she wasn'tlearning anything. I know that seems extremely
character girl knows how to read analytically, presumably disappointing Hermione should have figured it
out. Yeah, any who,thank you so much for joining us day

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Law. It was so much fun. I'm so glad to have you here,
and I hope you enjoyed yourself.And um yeah, I mean I
know you mentioned they don't really haveany social media plug so no problem there,
but we were just really appreciative tohave you me especially. It's been
really fun. No, this hasbeen an absolute blast, um, and

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thank you for letting me get myrants on and thank you for the many
amusing little rabbit trails that we wanton. This is fantastic. Oh my
god, more than I need totake of about wizard plumbing on emphasis on
the trail as part of the rabbit. You know, is there anything you
want to promote or shout out,even like a favorite charity or like any

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place our listeners should look into.Um, I'm just gonna say this point
blank, support trans kids, supporttrans adults, support queer everybody, and
if you don't, you're a hugejerk. True that true, that perfect?
All right, bias or anything youknow, not to be biased on.
It's cool. It's cool. Soour next episode, everyone out there,

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is another chapter revisit. This timewe're heading over to book four Goblet
and we're going to be checking outthe third task, chapter thirty one.
That's gonna be a lot of funlooking forward to that. Yeah, and
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And that's it. We're wrapping itup. We're out of here.
We're gonna go not slide down pipes. Yeah yeah, we're gonna go do
something clean and Sana Terry not vanishany of our you know, toilet content.

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No exactly. I'm gonna go tobones and Bones and noble. That's
where I'm off too. But anyway, I'm kat, I'm sure, I'm
shamany and thank you for listening.Episode three hundred and seventy five of Alohamura.
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