GOF, 13 Revisit: Single, Double, Triple Yuck

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is episode four hundred and seventy four of Aloha
Mora for October eighteenth, twenty twenty five. Hello, Hello, everyone,

(00:39):
and welcome to another episode of Aloha Mora, the fandom's
original Harry Potter book Club. I'm Kat Miller, I'm Seamani.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Willis, and I'm Josh Cook and our guests joining us
today all the way from Britain, Britain UK. Somewhere over
there across the bond is Ted Ryan. I'm sure he
will tell you more.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yay, Hello, Hi, It's en absolute pleasure to be on here.
A big fan of the podcast.

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Yeah. So, according to port More, I'm Sliverin and yeah,
pretty much read and re read Harry Potter from a
very young age. So it's a series that definitely sticks
with you. So yeah, proud sliverin of it.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Do you have a favorite book?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I'd say my favorite book is definitely Hellos.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Oh good one.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, the emotional climax was very satisfying.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, it's a very poignant book. Isn't it. It has
a lot of a lot of life lessons in it.
It's a good one. Cool. So how long have you
been listening to the show. I always like to ask,
I'm curious. Yeah, I mean, how do you find us?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah? I kind of found you a couple of years ago,
and it was just kind of nice to dip in
and listen to you just how deep you will go
into each chapter. And it even just made me reflect
on my own reading experiences, just coming back into as
a older reader, but picking up on stuff you might

(02:15):
have missed. So yeah, I think last year was when
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Nice, We love it. Well, thank you so much for
being here today. We're super excited to have you into
chat with you, Mick.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Absolutely, And the thing that we are so excited to
chat with you about is Goblet of Fire, chapter thirteen,
matt I Moody. The original episode that we discussed this
chapter was episode fifty one clue Quest from October twenty
thirteen with hosts kat Laura Rosie and Michael. Clue Quest

(02:49):
is very hard for me to say. I'm glad that
it's really focused on clue Quest.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Yeah, it clue Quest. It is a little bit of
a It's like a little Automatipo without being automatipio, you
know what I mean. Yeah, it was channeling Noah there.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
I always love it when we're like, kaw was on
this episode. I'm like, Okay, cool, let's pretend I wasn't
on it because I don't know what I said, but
I'm going to talk about it again. It's a fun one.
I mean, Malfoy is a ferret in the best part.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Yeah, it's no good. Sorry, I do not have nice
things to say about Slytherin's in this chapter, So that's fine.
This one deserves it.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Oh absolutely Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
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So you know, just saying, just saying, just sallam, But

(04:31):
I'm just gonna say a little more and I'm going
to do our chapter summary, So here we go. Free turns,
should do it?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Chapter revisit?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Got it?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Oh no, you don't, Laddy, Chapter thirteen, mad I Moodie.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
The first day of Harry's fourth year at Hogwarts is
upon everyone, and with the anticipation of the Try Wizard Tournament,
things are looking up until they look at their class schedules.
We follow the trio for their first day from Herbology,
where they basically pop plant pimples, to care of Magical Creatures,
where they discover a disgusting new breed, and finally to Defination,

(05:13):
where Trelawney gets it wrong but sort of right yet again.
Malfoy is there the whole time, taunting and goading Harry
in his usual slimy way. But of course Harry gets
his revenge via Mattie Moody when the latter turns Malfoy
into a ferret. It's good. And this is a short chapter,
and it's it's such a weird one because we don't

(05:35):
get too many chapters where it's just classes. Oh yeah,
and this one is ninety five percent just classes, which
is kind of it's kind of a nice break.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't know when when this chapter ended. I'll listen
to it on the audiobook. And I got I got
through my notes I was taking on my phone. I
kept waiting on the Unforgivable Curses to come up. I
kept waiting on Moody's class to start, I guess, and
then after fourteen unfortunately. But yeah, it's very short. It's
very quick because it's it's boom boom boom all the

(06:06):
way through classes and the and the dinner.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
So and it's funny that this is titled matt I mean,
because we don't really get a lot of him in
this chapter.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
But you're given enough, like you really get the essence
of Moody and the chapter.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, because the Moody preview.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Oh absolutely, Because even though you don't see him until
the very end, he's spoken about a lot throughout this
chapter as well, So it's almost like the presence of
him is kind of being reminded to the reader, But
so by the time we get to that scene, you're
not completely throir enough to see him finally that it's.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Sort of like the legend of matt I yea throughout Yeah,
I get what you mean, I get what you mean.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, so kind of the chapter. The chapter opens with
open discussions about how to get past the age line
and the really outwit Dumbledore is the goal here, right?
And the first thing it's it's where my mind would
go if I were if I were a student at
Hogwarts too, is to an aging potion, because that does
seem like it should be the easiest. But we we

(07:16):
see how that turns out at least. But I mean,
do you all have any other Is there any other
ways that you all can think of that could get
past it other than the simple just give it to
an older student and have them put your name in it,
which no one thinks about apparently.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I mean poly juice potion maybe, but I feel like
that would be a loophole that wouldn't be able to
be ignored because it'd still be the same passion at
the same age.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, so well, yeah, I mean poly juice. That really
depends on how poly juice works, which we don't know.
I mean, we've talked about like if you were if
you took the polyjuice of a pregnant person right before
they were giving birth, would you give birth? You know, like,
so yeah, does your whole physiology change when you take

(08:11):
poly juice? That's that's an interesting question. Of course at
this point in the series, if you're reading it for
the first time, you don't know what poly juice is
because it hasn't been introduced to us. Yes, sorry, you're
right in chamber. Yeah, but I mean in this book,
like because you're you may not think about that, you
know what I mean. But it's a cool parallel because

(08:34):
of course poly juice is used later in the book, so.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I think timeline wise, it would have taken a month
to brew, so they probably wouldn't have been able to
do it within the timeframe to submit anyway. So yeah,
because I think it's only a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, it's only a few weeks away.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Isn't the isn't the It's on Halloween?

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah right, Okay, so six weeks so.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
This is like September, second beginning of September.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yep, yeah, the possibly yea yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Think they would have enough time they could slap together
a quicker.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I personally don't think that's how polygues works.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Definitely, No.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I tell you what would be interesting though, because of
I wonder if hermmy being petrified in the second book,
if she were old enough but just like bod No
two or three weeks, if she tried to put it
in but her body is actually two or three weeks
younger than seventeen, if she wouldn't be able to pass

(09:35):
it because of being petrified for so long?

Speaker 1 (09:38):
So cool, you know what that reminds me of?

Speaker 2 (09:41):
And I.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Have such intense memories of this book that I read
in middle school, and nobody ever seems to know what
I'm talking about, so maybe you folks know. I don't
know if I've ever mentioned it on the show. It's
about two sisters and I can't remember if they were
twins or not, but they have they go into like
a shed or something, a shed which is like I
don't know, but they go in there and I can't

(10:05):
remember if it's another world or what. But they go
in there and when they come out, only like two
seconds has gone by in the real world. But they're
like twenty years older because they've lived their whole lives
in this alternate universe.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
See, you're all looking at me like, huh what it
is a book that I read in middle school?

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Yeah, very dark. Yeah it was a short book, you know,
because you only read like one hundred and twenty page books.
Maybe when you're when you're that age.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Interesting. I've never heard of that kind of the concept
kind of reminds me of Narnia though, but the other
way around.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
But I also can't remember if both sisters go in
or if only one sister goes in, so they like
end up being different ages. But I have very intense
memories of it, and I don't think it was a dream.
Maybe it was. Maybe I need to write it, you know,
maybe that's it. But I mean, regardless of how you

(11:01):
could get past the age line, I mean I personally
wouldn't because that's a hard pass for me, I'm not
interested in the tournament.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Jos a thirty five year old muggle, let's go.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I don't know that you do very well in that friend.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Sorry, Yeah, I'd be happy to just watch from the
sidelines if it was me. Just let other people do it.

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, absolutely, Like as I like to say, I'm Gryffindor,
but I'm not that kind of Gryffindor. Like I'm not. No, no,
thank you, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
But I find it interesting that they need permission to
go to Hogsmead, but no one needed permission to put
their name into the goblin of file.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Well, they only needed permission. They needed permission to go
to Hog's Mead because they were under age. They do
not need permission to enter the tournament because they are
of a they are an adult. Same thing with like
even something as simple like here in the States, like
for a tattoo, if you're under the age of eighteen,
you have to have a parent's slip or whatever to
get a tattoo. But if you're ever eighteen, you don't.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
But then could that also be a workaround if the
parents gave permission for a certain passion to enter.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Maybe possibly, No, it's uh it's Angelina, right that like
has a birthday. I think it's yeah, because she enters
and then Harry and Ron are fantasizing about having her
be the champion.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Angelina is the I think that she is the only
Gryffindor that enters that we know us, that's right, Yeah, yeah,
that we actually see entered. There there have.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Been speaking people that would enter.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, speak exactly, that has a speaking part, exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
The only important Gryffin entered.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Yeah, we know if she's pretty great.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I don't know do we know of any raven clause
enter Roger Davies. No, he's a huffle buffet me.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
No, Roger Davis is a raven club.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
I don't think was talked about that much. Don't think so,
because I think the raven clause that Harry associate with
was in his ear. I don't think we knew of
any older raven Claus.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Yeah, I don't know. That's a question to look up
in the book and you know what, To be quite honest, yeah,
I don't want to do that right now. I'm enjoying
this chapter, in this discussion.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
So I don't feel like raven Claus would. I feel
like they would they would be content to sit and
watch everyone else.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
And I don't know, listen like as a raven Claw
who likes to be right and show off my intelligence
and my smarts. I do think there would be some
who would enter, especially you know, the raven Claws that
are raven Claud Gryffindor, which is not a super common combination.
But it's not uncommon.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yea, we know, we know Cedric is the Hubbluff Warrington
enters as a Slytherin and Ngelana enters as a Gryffindor.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
That it, Roger Davies sounds right, but I don't. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Uh, students false of raven Claw and Summers of Hufflepuff,
they tried to age themselves up to enter, but they couldn't.
I don't think that we have a definite raven Claw
that that entered. We just know of one that tried
at least.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Okay, well that makes sense. I mean, raven Claude is
the least important house, and everybody thinks somehow that it's Hufflepuff.
I mean, to be fair, Hufflepuff gets their moment in
this book, and raven Claud gets their moment in Hallows.
But it's only a moment Raven did give us Luna though,
I mean amen for that.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Well, So, I mean, why was that one of the
concessions that they had to that they had to give up?
Like all the schools had to make that agreement to enter?
We know that. I think Missus Weedley's the one that
discusses that a couple of chapters back. But why do
you all like that there is an age restriction? And
I guess do that?

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Yeah? I think it was definitely something that probably should
have been the norm prior to this book, because I
can't imagine an eleven or twelve year old doing well
in trials like this.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's exactly what I was.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Going to But would the Goblet of Fire pick them? Then? Like,
if the Goblet of Fire is picking the most worthy
candidates from each school, the likelihood of an eleven or
twelve year old being selected is very low. And if
they are being selected, then that means that at least
the Goblet believes that they have the capability of succeeding.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
I mean, I hear you, but just like I mean,
I guess, really, the only eleven year old wizard that
we really know is Harry or Ron or Hermione. Let's
just imagine all three of them entered their names. They don't.
They can't function as individuals at that age, like they
need each other to be one whole wizard. So the goblet,

(15:59):
I feel like, would totally split out Harry Potter's name
because he would see all of that, all of that
dark magic from no more soul like floating around inside
of him, and all of Harry's innate ability and be like, yeah, sure,
why not. But then Harry at fourteen can't even handle it,
nor mind Harry at eleven, you know, But I mean,
I think that's a valid point. The gobblet would probably

(16:21):
be less likely because it's not like it's the Hunger
Games where everybody's names in there and someone's just random
randomly picking it out. So yeah, thank goodness.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
But then it makes you wonder what made the Tournament
one be canceled and to the only constitute to bring
it back would be to make sure everyone is either
seventeen or older. So that kind of implies the last
time they did it, there was younger champions and it

(16:51):
definitely didn't end. Well, that's yeah kind of what I
would assume.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
I think that's a safe assumption.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, I get. One of my only issues the way
the tournament is set up is that you have such
a small pool of students that you can't even have
in there because not only do you have to be
in of school age so you have to be enrolled
in school, but you have to be seventeen and not
turning seventeen during your last school year because you have

(17:20):
to be seventeen to enter. So like, I just think
that I think it's so limited now. I do think
that it would be fair if you would do you
could be in your last year of school or had
just previously graduated the year before, and that would open
up the pool a little bit too. That could do something.

(17:41):
I also started really going down a rabbit hole of
doing like a dry Wizard Olympics for alumni of the schools,
and like you could do it to where I mean,
I guess there's not like a role on ages or
anything like that, but it is younger people that participate
in Olympics for the most part. Put it. You could
put like an age of like twenty four twenty five

(18:03):
on there, I guess, but I thought that would be interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Yeah, or maybe it's like you have to have passed
these five owls in order to participate, you know, yeah,
just to make it a little bit more broad. You know,
so if if if you needed a rhythmancy and you
never took a rhythmeancy, well whoops, you can't enter the
try Wizard Tournament. You know.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Yeah, because the trials they're definitely not just about physical strength.
It's definitely more psychological and you know, mental gymnastics as well.
So I agreed, like educational should be a factor as well.
But I think a Triwizard Olympics would be very cool

(18:49):
if this one didn't end so badly, I could see
that definitely being a thing.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, do they ever have this again? I can't imagine.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
I think this implied is gone.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
It would be safe for them to have it again.
Maybe maybe maybe they would tone it down. I don't
maybe they've learned their lessons and tone it down a little.
I mean probably not.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I mean maybe, right, so, like maybe they could have
had it if Baltimore wasn't here, But honestly, like if
I understand, there were precautions that were made against all
the tasks, but once you get into the maize, the
fully grown, blasted scroops that we're gonna see the babies here.
Those would there's there's no one inside the maze. The

(19:37):
only people that could the only person that can see
inside the maze what's happening is Moody with his eye.
So like if something bad happened, there's no one there
to like intervene. Like with the dragons, the like Charlie
and them were there to intervene. With the task number two,
the people were there to intervene if necessary. There's no

(20:00):
one to intervene in the third one, like the death
could have happened.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
Yeah, because even with the if you want to quit
the trials, send up a spell, you would still have
to go in and find that person. There was no
one walking the perimeter inside the maze or making sure
everything was above board.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Yeah, or even like looking from above, like if you
looked at it like as a plan view, you could
see the little you know, the little rats in the
maize they're working their way, and intervene if it got
too dangerous or if somebody was in a bad situation, like.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Put Madam Hooch on a broom and let her fly
over the top of the maze and keep an eye
on things.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
She would be a good choice to judge Madam Hoos
can't keep the quiddage game civil. She's not doing anything
during the tournament.

Speaker 4 (20:54):
She's the only teacher that I can think of flying though,
Like I can't imagine any of the rest of the tea.
You're just flying. I can't picture Flitwick on a broom.
McGonagall maybe because she played quotitch, right, so McGonagall maybe,
but Professor's sprout. I don't see her on a broom.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah, I feel you, I understand. I could say looping
on a broom, Matt, I we see on a broom.
He's a yeah, professor.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Quote unquote don Lodo, possibly on a broom.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Oh, we see him on a broom in half, but yeah, yeah, Trelawney,
that'd be funny.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Oh my gosh, that'd be funny.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Yeah, but uh yeah. So I was curious as I
was reading this time around, and I'm I'm confident actually
like one hundred and twenty percent. We've brought this up before,
but this is the first day of classes and we're
thirteen chapters in. So I was just curious about how
far into the other books we were before we got

(21:53):
our first Day of Classes, and it was chapter eight,
chapter six, chapter six, this book chapter thirteen, order was
chapter twelve, Half Blood chapter nine, and of course Deathy
Hallo's there's a nothing. So really, when you think about
the length of the book and how many chapters there are,
they're all about the same ratio, really, because the first

(22:17):
three books are significantly shorter than this book and Order
the Phoenix, and so I would say that they're all
about the same. We just get a lot more Muggle
world in Goblet and in Order, because you know, we
go to the thing the World Cup, Quidditch World Cup.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Where you are I'm sorry, I really want.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
It's okay, Quitch World Cup, and then we have the
hearing and order of course, then we get like a
little hullablue with like Slughorn before Half Blood because Half
Blood chapter nine. So I guess it makes a little
sense that as things get a little more serious and
more things are happening in the real world, that we
spend a little bit more time in the real world
at the beginning of the books. But I thought that

(23:04):
was I thought that was interesting, you know, looking at
looking at those first those first chapters there.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, there's definitely a lot more establishing world building rather
than Harry being quite isolated in Hogwarts, because, like you said,
we've gone through the first three books and he's usually
from Private Drive to Hogwarts and back again. Whereas this
just feels like the first chapter where it's like, oh,

(23:32):
we've read this, this is a normal day for these characters,
whereas before it just felt a bit it felt a
bit darker leading up to this chapter, whereas this just
felt very normal in comparison to everything else that happened prior.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah, totally. Well, before we actually get to the classes,
we have this great scene of the trio at breakfast
and Hermione sits down. She likes are shoveling food in
her mouth, and Ron's like, oh, you've decided to eat again.
Hermione goes, yes, I've decided that there are better ways
to help the elves. Basically I'm paraphrasing, of course, But

(24:11):
first off, hermioney, don't you know that it's really bad
to eat that fast? You're gonna get an upset Tommy girl, like,
you got to slow down. But this is like an
age old discussion on this pod. Of course, that is
what Hermione is doing. You know, because we know that
all this research she's doing going to the library is
her forming spew spew whichever you call it, and Ron

(24:36):
is sort of fervently against it. So I'm just wondering
where this panel sits on that. Ted, why don't you
kick us off because you're probably the only one who's
never given their thoughts on this.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
Yeah, I kind of think the core of spew is
a very nobled and principled concept. But the way Hermione's
going around it is the ourselves in Hogwarts are very
well treated, so they don't have a problem with that
servitude purely because they are treated well. Whereas what happened

(25:10):
with Dobby that's a more concrete angle to go down.
But I think she just tries she has a plan
and she wants to go ahead with it, rather than
sitting down with them and kind of mapping it to
the individuals rather than as a whole.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
If that makes sense, does Yeah, I don't think that her,
especially her like hunger Strike, was ever gonna make a difference.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
It wasn't gonna last.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, it wasn't gonna last, and the only people that
knew about it were Ron and Harry, so like they
don't care. They knew that it wasn't gonna last. Like,
I think that there are more productive ways to go
about it, and we can talk about that. But I mean,
as far as what she doing with the hunger strike
that was never gonna work, spew is a good idea.

(26:04):
She needs to understand that spew is a terrible acronym
and like it's not spew it is it is. I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
I think the only way if the hunger strike might
have stood a chance, as if she had the majority
of the other students involved and the teacher saw that
no one was eating and then started to ask questions
as to why. But I mean, even then, it just
it wasn't a good approach. It was it was poor execution.

(26:38):
It's a it's a good idea, but I definitely agree
with what Ted said. Were it would have been productive,
more productive for her to sit down with the house
elves and kind of hold a what's the word, like
not a conference, but yeah, yeah, there you go a
focus group and kind of find out where they're at,
how they're feeling, what they think about it, and go

(27:00):
from there rather than just jumping in.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
The only I guess, I guess the only issue that
I have with us saying that it wasn't gonna work
because it was such a small thing with one person,
Like if you look at Greta Thurnberg's first protest, it
was just her. It grew into what it grew into.
The think I think the issue that Hermione is up
against the most is like unlike Comma change that a

(27:27):
lot of people have a lot of feelings about. I
don't think the majority or even I don't think there's
very many students in Hogwarts that have any feelings about
how about elves at all? Because the majority of them
don't have them at home. The rich kids that have
them love them because they do everything that they need
them to do or whatever, and then like everyone else's

(27:49):
it really only ever thinks about them as far as well,
if I had one, they could do these things for me.
So I think that that kind of falls more into
it too, is that she's brings up a cause that
no one actually cares about.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Well, and she herself has been at Hogwarts for three
years and didn't know that there were elves at the school.
So the likelihood that ninety nine percent of the population
doesn't know there are elves at Hogwarts is pretty high, friend,
George know, because they broke into the kitchen. Why would

(28:25):
anybody else know? Maybe if they got up to use
the restroom and middle of the night and they saw
on elf. But also, you know, it's hammered into the
elve's head that they're supposed to be invisible and whatever,
and they can make themselves invisible, as we know because
Deby can do it. So even if an elf were
cleaning a common room and a student walked through, they
could poof disappear or whatever. So you know, I yeah,

(28:50):
I agree that while Hermione's intentions are good and they
are in the right place, there are more effective ways
that she could have gone about this. And I'm not
even gonna call her missing one male hunger strike because
it's like she had a couple bites of food and
then was like all right. She basically just went to
bed hungry and woke up and was like, hmm, okay,

(29:13):
I'm gonna eat again. You know, So I don't know.
Hermione is a she's a smart witch. She's a smart kid,
but she has a lot of growing up to do.
She's still pretty immature at this point.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
And see Hermione's obviously really great points there, but Mionie's
only exposure to house elves had been what happened to
Winkie at the World Cup and what she knew of
Dobby from Harry, So she's already got a very negative
concept of how wizards treat house elves. So because she's

(29:50):
not even spoken to a house self one on one,
it's like activism where it's like, I wouldn't help this community,
but I'm not speaking with the community. So it's that
kind of blind affirmation at one point where I think
she's just at this point driven by outrage rather than

(30:14):
a desire to make real change just yet.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, I mean, and that's why she's been called out
by so many as is just being like a savior complex,
like Okay, cool, don't we don't need you to step
in to save us. We got this, we can figure
it out on it.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
To that point, Kat like, you know, Hermione being very bright,
but it has some grown up to do. I don't
think that we can fall a fourteen year old girl
or a fourteen year old person for needing to do
some growing up. I do think. So Hermione really uses
the library in books as her mentor to grow and

(30:51):
to learn and do all these things hermione would have.
She would have grown so much matured much more exponentially
in matters like this had she had a mentor to
bounce things off of. So I don't really know who
that would be here to like, go to a professor
to talk about Hey, I would like to do something
for house Elves in and around Hogwarts or at least

(31:15):
get this out. Like, I really think flint Wick would
be the one to go to in this situation, but
we don't know how good of a relationship they have
or anything.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
I would say the flint Wick or McGonagall, I agree,
would probably be the best people to go to to
talk about this situation.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
I think McGonagall would dismiss it, not like not dismiss it,
I guess rudely, but just she has she I just
don't think that she would prioritize it.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
No, she would listen and then she would dismiss it.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yes, So yeah, I just I just don't honestly think.
I mean, there's so much evidence that there was world
just doesn't care about that kind of stuff, you know it. Uh,
I don't want to use this term, but they like
social social justice of it all. They don't care. They

(32:14):
don't use verita sarum, they don't. If you're guilty, they're
just you're chucking. They're chucking you in askaban. They're not
gonna you don't get a fair trial, you don't. It's
a pretty uh, it's a pretty corrupt, unjust world.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
And that's for elves and and people who may want
to try to help them.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Absolutely, and it's acknowledged as well. That's a very unjust
and corrupt society because even with the magic, their laws
are still very flawed.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, And I mean as far as as far as
what she's doing, I still don't fault her for trying
to do something, you know. I mean, you know where
even even like in America, if you think of like
women's suffrage, everyone just points at like nineteen nine teen
or nineteen twenty, whatever year the amendment was passed, But
like that was a decade long process to get there,

(33:06):
you know. So yes, it looks foolish what she's trying
to do now, but in decades, you know, everyone would
look back and go Harmony drangers one that started the
elf Wright's movement or you know, all these kind of things.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
So yeah, I'm pretty sure that's in. That's a plot
point or something in a kersh child. I feel like
somebody brings that up. Of course not I'm not legitimizing it, Allison,
don't yell at me. I just think that I do
think that that is brought up.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I enjoyed this, I admit it.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Great. Well, well, we'll get you on the show again
with Allison, and the two of you can fanco all
over it. No, as I've said before many times, the
production was incredible. The plot is whack, but that's a
whole other episode. So we've already recorded. Okay, yeah, yeah,

(33:56):
moving on.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
So we're we are at the breakfast table, all the
owls come in. Headwig is still missing. Uh so it's
been it's been a few weeks since the letter got
sent to serious. I think that on a previous episode
we have done the the flot of a snowy owl
and how fast they can fly and how far they
could have gone. We have definitely gone down that rabbit

(34:20):
hole before listeners. We will not elaborate most more on that.
Go back and find those episodes into it. I know
that I know that cat did it.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
So definitely as the crowflies dot com or dot net
or dot org or something google it.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
I think we I think we ended up with it
potentially being in serious being in Spain and the headway
having to fly to Spain. But it may have been Africa.
I don't remember anyway. But it is worries theme. You
know everyone if if anyone has a cat that goes
outside and it doesn't come home in the morning, you

(34:56):
get worried. So h you know it's it's it's Harry.
We're also worried about serious and worried about his pet, Headwig.
And you know, it's nice to see it's not just
a it's not just a postman. It is a it
is a pet that Harry sees.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
She's a companion for him, for sure, for sure. I
mean I can understand that he's a little worried, especially
because she'd gone too serious. But you know, if something
had happened, he would have heard, he would have heard
about it would have been in the news. Maybe not
if something had happened headwag, but if something had happened

(35:33):
too serious.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Yeah, yeah, so Ron and Hermione. Maybe it's just Ron
that says makes mention of having all their classes outside
in the morning and very excited about it. I would
have been very I would be very excited about it.
Now is my entire morning work outside. But then once
you really start and look and see what that warning is,

(36:00):
you have puffs yuck, slytherins yuck, mouthwoy slytherin yuck, and
blast ended screw babies triple yuck. So not the not
the not the best morning. We can start working through
these classes as they go, definitely no.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
And in herbology they are studying boobo tubers, and so
of course I had to look it up, and of
course I went to the Harry Potter Lexicon, because we
don't trust the Wikipedia on this show, right, because Kingsley
shackle Bolt is not an elf, despite the fact that
the wiki said that, you sure, you know, I've never

(36:41):
met him, but I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. I'm
pretty sure. But the HBL says that boobo tubers boobo tubers.
I'm saying that right right, boobo tubers. There's no other
way to pronounce that.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
Bubb boobo tubers.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
What boobo tubers or bub bo tubers? How do you
say it?

Speaker 3 (37:01):
I'm just going off to Stephen Fry.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Okay, yep, Jim Dale says boobo.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Yeah, okay. But the HPL says that this is the
etymology of it from the medievil. I'll say it the
British way, from the medievil Latin boobo for swelling pustual
and tuber meaning fleshy root, which is also Latin for
to swell, which is gross. And on the HPL they

(37:32):
point us out that the inventor of boobo tuber like puss,
or the properties of it anyway, Sacharissa sack SoC Rissa
Socrissa Sacarissa.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
I'd say Sarsa.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Sacarissa Sacarisa Tugwood, who was an inventor and lived from
eighteen seventy four to nineteen sixty six. And this is
a in to the famous Wizard card, which is debatable
if there can and the author wrote some didn't write
some others as far as I'm aware, but she mostly
was a pioneer of beautifying potions, and she discovered the

(38:14):
pimple curing properties of boobo tuber pus. The words on
her gravestone read, thanks to this person, the world is
a more beautiful place. And I just think it's really
ironic that they are like pimping. They're pimping they are
popping giant plant pimples where the puss is used for

(38:35):
human pimples. I just think it's very ironic, and you know,
obviously the author wrote it that way on purpose, but
I think it's hilarious, engross, gross, but also but also
I am that person who enjoys a good pimple pop.
I do. I think I would find this so satisfying.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
Yeah, they do. Doesn't smell bad, it does.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
It has a smell said, it smells like ethleen.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
So yeah, Petro petrol, Petro petrol pet and you have to.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Wear dragon hot gloves because undiluted they can do funny
things through the skin. So like if if diluted puff
is for acne, if it's undiluted, I imagine it would
draw the crap out of your skin, right probably probably.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
I mean, this class was definitely the lesser of two
evils out of that Lessons of the Day, So I
think I would take this class. I have a chara
magical creatures in this scenario.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Anytime, anytime I don't have to deal with Haggard would
be a whim.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I mean that's mean. That's so mean, that's so mean.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
You don't tell me my cast.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I won't. I won't. We're having we're having rock cakes
later for dinner, so be sure not to bring it up.
I mean, come on, somebody out there listening is like, yes,
I also would find this very satisfying. I don't think
it's like, does it describe how big they are?

Speaker 4 (40:06):
It doesn't. It just it says as each swelling was
popped a large amount of thick, yellowish green liquid, which gross.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Even even Harry says, it's satisfying. It says squeezing the disgusting,
but oddly satisfying. So it's not it's it is. There
is a without the smell. There is a subreddit called
oddly satisfying, and they would definitely know.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Listen if Madam if if Professor sprout like ever needed
and only fans or something she could like boobo tuber popping.
I'm just saying she could make money on that as
an influencer on Insta, she probably could.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
There would be a wizard out there who would pay
to look at that. I think Madam Pumphrey also really
lucks out with this lesson because she is literally get
the ingredients to treat her patients by the students themselves.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's true. All that free child labor.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Absolutely well what they do with it, well, she says it.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
She just says careful not to spill it or something.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
She says, it's valuable. So like I've always I've always
kind of thought, especially well, I get Haggard doesn't do this,
but like we know that Slughorn talks to Haggard about
like unicorn tail uh, like hairs and things like that
and like how valuable they are and and and then

(41:37):
with the with aragogus uh poison all that kind of stuff.
So I do think the Hogwarts has an opportunity to
like sell these things back to like you know, have
income coming into the school. Like I've seen, like I
live in a really like agricultural area and like they're
not like high school students like will raise animals and

(42:00):
gardens and all this stuff, and they have a farmer's
market at the school that they sell the products from,
and like that that goes to the school and to
help like fund that those programs.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
So like, yeah, we have a beehive at my school
and I just got some honey from it. Yeah, which
is pretty cool. I mean maybe that is the fund that,
like Tom Riddle got his books from, he was funded
by booboo tuber Puss, funded by Puss.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
The real issue is that all the books have to
be stamped with that whenever he receives them. So, like
you know, because Hogwarts is very classist, so they know
if they are second hand and paid for. That's why
that's why Molly and ours are always making sure they
just get second hand so you don't have to put
the puss label on the front.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
How many times can we say the how many times
can we say puss?

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Not more like the way she keeps saying And Jim
Dale's narration is it's it's hilarious, oh just every two
seconds boo boo tuber Puss, And I'm like, we get it,
it's puss, Like you don't have to keep singing it,
we got it.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Stephen Fried did that as well, but he really enunciated
yeah during those life as well.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
We really, we really need to show some respect to
Eloi's midgein though we know the girl. We know the
girl's got some acne. She tried to curse her acne off,
so like Sweetie I'm very sorry for whatever is happening
to you.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
But why, like, why did she think this was a
good idea. I'm just picturing her. She's standing in front
of the mirror, pointing the one in her face. I
think I'll just try to curse it off and this listen.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
The only thing, the only thing I've got is that
this girl is like insanely bullied for her acne. There
are multiple discussions like comments about her acting throughout the series,
even to the point of, uh, maybe in this maybe
it's in this book where Hermione says her acting has
gotten much better, and I wonder if it's because.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
It's this chapter she says that, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Yeah, But also in the Yule Buol as well, when
they're talking about dates and Ron is like, oh, I
wouldn't ask Luise Mitchin and Hermioney's like, why her acting
it's all cleared up, So even months later, it still
follows her around when it's all cleared up. So yeah,
I feel really bad for her. It makes me wonder

(44:39):
what spell would she have used to take her nose off?

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Oh my gosh, I don't think what that would even be.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah. Also, I just wonder like, there's no muggle plant
that I can think of that has puss, and like,
puss is just dead skin cells on humans, it's just
dead skin cells and like other skin I'm sorry, juices,
I'm trying really hard not to be gross. Okay, isn't

(45:12):
it like black heads and zits are just dead skins
is a.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
Thick, yellowish white fluid that accumulates at the sight of
an infection. It is a bob product of the body's
immune response to fight off in baiting pathogens.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Okay, so this was the singing of regular pimples.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
So u it's made up of dead and dyeing white
blood cells, white blood because it's because it's sending white
blood cells to fight infection things like that.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
So wouldn't that lead us to believe that boobo tubers
have white blood cells? Are they are? Will go two
for two here, like are they? Are they humanoid? I
don't want to ask the the are they a question?
I don't want to say it. I don't want to
like conjure somebody. But like it's a plant. No way,

(46:01):
hang on googling. Do any plants make puss? No, plants
do not make puss. Pus is a sign of a
bacterial infection. Well, some plants can cause skin irritation or blisters.
Yeah yeah, yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
So is this the case of the author not having
a dictionary.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Or or or bubo tubers.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Are humanoid with no mouths, yeah, so they can't correct.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
Well, maybe it's the kind of tanja the discuss that
we've all felt talking about puss. Using the word puss
automatically makes you want to recoil away from it. So
maybe it's just the offer wanted to use a word
that's going to discuss the read up on site.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Which leads me to another question is what do they
dilute it with to treat the acne? Because like, is
it just a cream? Does it take away the smell
when they mix it with whatever is I'm picturing like
this thick yellowish green paste that they're like putting on

(47:10):
their face.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I don't know. My wife puts something on her face
every night and it it can't look worse than that.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
I mean, that's probably just a face mask or something
she doesn't have or anything.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Does she she told me, I don't know. I'm just
trying to start telling her.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
To just make a label and put it on the
put container. Sorry, Sydney, I hope she doesn't listen.

Speaker 4 (47:40):
She does not.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I can probably see she doesn't. She hears me talking enough.
She does not listen to the podcast. She did say
that if I died, she would go back and listen
because she would want to hear me talk. But that's it.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
And then, however, many years from now, she gets to
this chapter in this episode and she's like, that's why
you did that. Yeah, that's why he did that. Yeah. Okay, Well,
well are we are? We have we talked about all
of our points with the puss here because I'm good
with the I'm ready.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
To We're ready to move on, leave it behind.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Okay, Ted, you're good, Josh, yeah, great, great, let's get
let's leave the greenhouse. And I wanted to have make
our way to care of Magical I want.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
To have a discussion just in between. So the huffle
Puffs are with Gryffindors during herbology and the Slytherins come
in to go to care of Magical Creatures. I like
that there is that the houses have classes together like this.
Uh do you all have any feelings about it? Do you?
I mean, because there's not very many students. I guess

(48:50):
it'd be ten per house essentially, is what we're seeing.
So I mean it's only it's a max of twenty,
I know.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I mean that depends on who you ask. According to
the author, there are thousand students and Hogwarts, which would
mean there are two hundred and fifty students per class.
And if you just put that up into seven years,
that's how many Is that forty per class across all
the houses?

Speaker 3 (49:17):
For some reason, we only know eight characters in Harry
is Here?

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Yeah, exactly, No, I think I think it's great. Is
that just how British schools work at TED?

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
No, I mean obviously you kind of get classes that
are mixed, so not all people have the same classes.
So this is actually quite faithful to the English school system,
where you won't have the same classes with the same people.
It will be mixed up as long as you're in

(49:54):
the same year together. So yeah, this actually is pretty
you brand for British schools.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Stilly question. Most schools don't have like houses, right, and
I would assume unless you're in like a boarding school,
like a private school.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah, no, unless it's like an elite boarding private school,
it's very I would say, like middle schools do sometimes
have houses for but that's for very young students, whereas
secondary schools or high schools. Yeah, there's no house system

(50:31):
in state high schools or normal high schools.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
That's what I thought. And when it comes to kids,
it's more like for like reading groups or like maths
or things like that. I would assume the houses are yeah,
no or no.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I would say definitely younger middle grade preschools though probably
have houses. Like I know some my nieces and nephews
their classes had houses and there was like a little
house cup but that was definitely for a much younger
group of kids, which was sweet.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
And what's the purpose of the house is just to
like put them in a group so that like it's like, okay,
everybody who's in the duck group, it's time to go
to recess. Is it just like as a way to
like corral them, Yeah, correll opposed to like a point
system like Hogwarts.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, corral, but then also kind of boost morale, like
if this house achieved this, then they'll get a certificate
or okay, something like that. So yeah, I'd say it's
it's a mixture of the two.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Really, Okay, I get.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
You could you guys not do that in middle school.
You didn't have like is at my middle school, we
had like kind of like what Ted is describing, Like
we had teams, so like our sixth grade class was
split into two teams, and each team, like you know,
you had points for whatever, and you went on different
field trips and different sets of people.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
No, No, is that a southern thing.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
That was actually when I was in Virginia near DC.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
So oh so no, so it's pretty Yankee territory.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Yeah, so I don't know. Huh. I thought that was
common through middle school.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Okay, apparently was that a public school? A public school,
not a private school. No, I can't. I mean, to
be fair, middle school for me was thirty years god,
I'm so old. Oh my god, thirty years ago, I.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
Laughed, because I'm there with you.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
So yeah, so I don't remember, but I don't think
so I don't think so gosh, No, I assume.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I mean we had like we had home rooms and
then not everyone in your home room, like you didn't
like go to this class that like altogether, but like
it was just the same schedule. I guess, like a
normal like block scheduling thing. They would do like interesting
they would do I guess, like fun things through the

(52:58):
year and like put you on teams like that, but
like that had nothing to do with school. It was
only like it was like extracurricular stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Yeah, I mean I like that. Up until you take
your owls, you you're in classes with one other house
essentially because it does allow you to I guess, get
to know some of.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Those folks, get outside of your bubble.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
It does seem a little limiting, like why is it
always you know, Ron says like, oh, we have Care
of Magical Creatures with the Slytherins again I think he
uses a word again or still or something like that.
It does seem like maybe you try to switch it up.
But I like that after the owls, it's just everybody,
everyone who moves on to that particular discipline down so

(53:44):
much too, you know. Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah, from
a thousand students.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Yeah, but yeah, the kind of mixing of groups I
think is great. But also it's just like you said,
they always stick with the same Like it would be
nice to see if Sliverin was with Chara of Magical
Creatures last year, maybe the Raven Clause with them this
year and see them interacting with different groups that arm

(54:16):
so clicky because it's always the same Sliverin's the same
half of Puffs. It would be nice to see them
interacting with different characters.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I will say that, like this is this is plot,
but it makes sense to have Refendeurs and Slytherins together
during char of magical creatures for Hagrant and potions with Snape,
so that you can see those two heads button around.
But yeah, I mean it honestly, like as a reader
of the series that's gone so you know that that's

(54:50):
gone through it so many times, and you know, I
mean everyone on the show is quote unquote an expert
in this. I'm bored. I get so bored with the
gryffindor Slytherin dynamic. Okay, yep, they're being jerks. They're being jerks.
Here we are, It's all be jerks. It gets old.
I feel whenever I see a scene like this, and

(55:11):
like this chapter between Harry and And and Malfoy. That's
how That's how I imagine Cat feels about the Quidditch chapters.
I'm just like, just get it over with. I don't
care this move on.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Can I just flip four pages and be done. Yeah, yeah, boring,
It is all right.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Now we can get a care of magical creatures.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Okay, blessed and it's groots Okay, Like listen, I like Hagrid,
don't get me wrong, Yeah, but like this is clearly, clearly,
clearly a violation of the experimental band of magical creatures.
How does he get away with this?

Speaker 2 (55:52):
It just.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Hagrid? Is it? Is he breeding them specifically for the tournament?
Was this an accident? Was he trying to make blast
ended screw its?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Like?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
What? Why? What is happening here? I he frustrates me
so much. Also like stingers and suck suckers, the like,
the like over and undertones of sex here is like,
I don't very creepy. I don't need I don't need to.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Disgusting, especially just in the context of the monsters being
so graphically like described they I couldn't imagine.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah did they put No?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
No, there's a blast ended screw in the Hagrid ride
at Universal, but it doesn't look anything like with these
screws are described as as far as I'm aware.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
So interesting.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah, I'm single, double triple yap.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Like we know well. Rita's writes about the blast Industriots
in an article about Haggard when when she out to
him as being a giant and she says that they
are a cross between a mantic core and a fire crab.
I went back to the discussion between Hagrid and Madame Maxim,

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and they weren't they weren't listed, like they weren't like
discussed there. We know that, I guess rita kind of
interviews Hagrid trying to get information on Harry, it seemed like,
but we we don't know if she made this up
or if it was actual information that Haggrid had like

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let out of the bag where we don't see it.
As readers specifically said that it's a cross between manti
cores and fire crabs. We also don't know what those
things are. Are they in the Are they in the
Creature Book?

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah they are. They're in Fantastic Beasts, Yeah, and where
to find them? And they're in the movies it I think.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
Yeah, that's just they're they're described as deformed, shellless lobsters.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
So yeah, Gross, I think this was one hundred percent accident,
like he he was doing something who knows what, and
these things but he says they hatch so where would
the egg come from? Though?

Speaker 1 (58:36):
That's what Listen, Yeah, lobsters are related to cockroaches, so
like that's all I think of when I think of this,
I think of cocka.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
But it's not even a cockroach. It's a cockroach with
no eggo skeleton. So you got that.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I mean, I mean a shellless lobster is the part
of the lobster that people eat. Think about that so nasty,
so gross.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
And so we we we know that, we know that
Hagard actually knows nothing about these creatures.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
He's completely unprepared.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
He doesn't even know what they eat. He doesn't even
know how they eat or how there's no mouse, they
have no mouth part, fingers and suckers.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
It makes you, it makes you wonder did he actually
go to someone and say, this is my letter plan
for the term. These are the monsters we will be
looking at, because clearly he.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Did lesson plan. Do you think Hogwarts has lesson plans?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Definitely not. Yeah, yeah, I just think there's so many
other monsters he could have picked, or creatures that would
have made great pets for the students to go through
the whole term with. And this is what he picked.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Well, it's this book, right that that the blastonus scruts
get out of control or no, it's after the readA
interview you right where he's feeding them flabberworms because like
he loses all of his he thinks everybody hates him.
Is that this book?

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
I think?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Yeah? That wasn't what that's the third book is? That's
after the hippogriff attacked Malfoy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Oh right, remember right, thank you? All of the dumb
lessons just come down.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
There's only two good it's the festivals. The hippogriff lesson
was good. He just got out the hand because the
Malfoy sucks. Two. The unicorn lesson was good. Three, but
that was two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Every lesson with pank was just good by default.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Yeah, I don't know. That's I guess. I guess it's
not fair. What about Oh, what's the wood? What's the wood? Things?

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Bow truckles with plank, Let's move on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I already don't like the I can't. I feel like
I'm just punching down now. And the punch down on
a giant is very difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Half giant for me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Any of them six foot tall is hard to cut down.

Speaker 3 (01:01:06):
But yeah, this is enough. Example of how imagery is
used to kind of make us feel disgusted as the reader.
The way these creatures are described automatically is to make
you repost by them. And the one lesson where all
the students are all of the students are in agreeance.

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This lesson is pointless in so many ways.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
And I definitely feel like Haggard should have been reported
after this. I mean, I try to stick up for
Haggard sometimes and say, hey, even the dangerous creatures they
need to know about, but this is completely unnecessary, and
especially if he bread them himself, then somebody needs to
know what he's out here doing. Like I'm really surprised

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that he didn't get a letter from the ministry or
a visit from the ministry about these things.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
They don't know that it's happening, Like that's that's one
of the issues, Like it becomes if I know, it
becomes a problem after the article comes out. Like my
biggest My biggest concern with Haggard when it comes to
this stuff is that a teacher or a professor, their
job is to pass down the knowledge that they have
and help students gain their own knowledge through these types

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of lessons. Haggard has no knowledge about these creatures. Therefore
it's a pointless lesson because you have nothing to instill
in them. And you know, so, I mean there's so
many things. There's the there's you don't know what they eat,
you don't know how they eat. And then Dean gets
burnt because.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
Haggard is just like, oh, that'll happen if it happens.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
But also also if they blast off and it burned Dean,
how are they inside wooden crpes? But whatever, it's just it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Just listen, Haggard had a dragon in a wooden house.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
Yeah, yeah, I guess I'm just a rise at the
end of the lesson that Malfoy, being Malfoy, didn't report him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
He would have had every ride.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
I mean, well, I mean he does eventually, because he's
the one who like has Rita Skeeter on his hand
talking about everything rightly does Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
But yeah, just going back on what you said about
a teacher giving the students something to learn and grow with.
They're never going to use this lesson in later life.
This really does nothing for their education. And I said
this as someone who loves Hagrid. It's just he's just

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waefully unprepared and underqualified for this job, and I feel
like that model just gives it to him because like
out of I don't want to say pity, but you know, just.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
It's pity, you can say it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Yeah, it's okay, Yeah, because if Hagrid had this vast
knowledge and we were seeing that, then be that. Yeah, great,
he deserves this spot. But he's not teaching them anything
of value at this point. And I'm surprised that he
still had students going into book five because there's only

(01:04:13):
by the sixth book where they all considering dropping it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
So yeah, I say this with all due respect to Hagrid,
but yeah, this lesson was a travesty.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
It really was, with all their respect. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
And if you and if you would hate to say pitty,
I would love to say the Dumbledore was only showing
Pilly the Hagrid fair.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
I mean, I just think about them blasting off and
getting loose and getting into the castle somehow, and we've
got them blasting around inside the castle.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
There's chaos and listen like I, I, yes, it was pity.
Twas pity that gave Hagrid the job, right, however, he
is learned like all my old English where it's nice time.
He is learned about a lot of things when it

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comes to creatures. He knows about the the killing of
the chickens and the the all the stuff that happens
in chamber, like he knows about it. He knows how
to take care of flesh eating slugs, you know. I
mean it's so he'd be like great at the job

(01:05:37):
that he had, and maybe he could be a special
guest in the care of Magic of Creatures class, Like, Hey,
we've got festrols that live in the forest grippy plank.
Can I bring them to class one day? And she'd
be like, of course, Hagard, that's really cool. And then
he'd be like, hey, there's also hippogriffs here, can we

(01:05:58):
do that?

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
And just he'd be right teaching clear stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:06:03):
Yes, if he had someone with him.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
He just doesn't know enough to be the main guy.
He's he does not have main teacher energy. He just
is like he's the sidekick.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Yeah, And what effect does this have? Like if you
get burned like Dean did, what effect is this gonna happen?
Is it gonna be like when the dragon bit ron?
And is there going to be an infection? Or something
from the burn, Like he doesn't have the foresight to
think about all these potentially chaotic situations that could come

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from these He needs help, he needs he needs a partner.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Yeah. I would have just given them all nifflets for
the and just see how they got on with that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Oh yeah, there was the Niffler. There was the Niffler
lesson that was kind.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Of cool, was smart to use. He gave like a
sandbox to play in. All right, three we came up
with three. Well, all right, so proud.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Three out of however many years oh goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
All right. Yeah, well after this lesson, we go, we
go to lunch. I guess that we meet like Hermione
comes back. They do discuss like uh. I liked the
back and forth of like I guess Hermione is saying
something to Malfoy about, you know, you never know what
good could could come from animals like this and give

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us an example. And then Ron kind of shived it back,
like put it back in her face, and she said,
all you know is only saying that to stick up
for Hagrid. I like that. I like that about Hermione.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Yeah, she's a she's a fairst friend, you know, yeah,
but in their favorite class, divination. I don't know like
which class if if if we said to Ron and Harry,
you have to pick a class to be in all
day for an entire day history of magic, divination or

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potions with Snape, pick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
One history of magic because they could just take a nap.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Because they can nap like like that were there. Yeah,
history of magic Bins isn't gonna notice or care.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Divination is a second because they would probably enjoy the
comedy that comes with Jilauney with her predictions. Sure, yeah,
patients would be lost.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Yeah, Snape is always last because they'd actually have to
pay attention and like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Really the worst thing about divination is one the attention
that that Harry gets, I guess. But also he says
that like the perfume like air gives him headache.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Mm oh my god. I would be so tired if
I was just sitting in a hot room. I'd also
be like sick because when I get that hot, Yeah,
I get.

Speaker 4 (01:08:53):
Hot with the perfume mixed together.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
It is just that's not Yeah, I can't give into
like uh, like you mals have like the like soap
stores or like Yankee candle or or I can't be Sydney,
go get me a candle. If you find one, figured
it out, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Well you're gonna have to come up this way because
I live ten minutes from the u Yankee Candle flagship.
Those candles are made ten minutes for me.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
I'm just saying, if you ever want to travel.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
If I'm coming to visit, you can. It will not
be to go visit the candle shop.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Well, Sydney can go there. She and I will go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Okay, I'll be drinking coffee somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Great.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Okay, But we're in divination. And before the class even starts,
Trelna goes, I want to bring this up because that's
this is a big this is a big point in
this chapter, I think. But she says, you are preoccupied,
my dear, she said mournfully to Harry. My inner eye
sees past your brave face to the troubled soul within,
and I regret to say that your worries are not baseless.

(01:09:54):
I see difficult times ahead for you, alas most difficult.
I fear the thing you dread willing indeed come to pass,
and perhaps sooner than you think. Okay, hang on, so
my question about this is going to be Could this
be one of her true predictions? And does it apply
more to Harry or Lord Voldemore. So hang on for you, Lancear.
I want to read this other quote because I think

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it's relevant. So they are reading planets charts, talking about planets,
the moon, the stars, whatever, Saturn, Dear, the planet Saturn,
said Professor Trelawney, sounding definitely irritated that he wasn't riveted
by this news. I was saying that Saturn was surely
in a position of power in the heavens at the
moment of your birth, your dark hair, your mean stature,

(01:10:39):
tragic losses so young in life. I think I'm right
in saying, my dear, that you were born in midwinter,
and Harry says, nope, born in July. So but we know,
as a people who have read these books and know things,
that this is her reading or seeing the bit of
Voldemore's soul that is inside her, because he has all

(01:11:00):
those things, dark hair, he is a mean stature. Who
would ever say Harry has a mean stature? Right, tragic
loss is so young in life. Granted they both have that,
But Lord Voldemore was also born December thirtieth or thirty first.
I think it's the thirty first. Yeah, so I'm wondering.
So now right, let me reiterate this question. Then that

(01:11:23):
first quote, you know, like I say, difficult times ahead
for you, most difficult. I fear the thing you dread
will indeed come to pass. Are both of these Harry
or both of these? Voldemore is one? Harry is one Voltimore,
Like I have always believed that, and I think there's
some evidence here that, Yeah, Trelawny is you know, she

(01:11:45):
pops herself up and she's sort of full of crap,
But I think I do think she has some true
talents outside of just that prophecy that she has given,
and I think there's a lot of evidence to that.
So I'm gonna stop talking. But what do you two
think about these? Because they really jumped out at me
this time, and I think it's an interesting I think

(01:12:07):
it's an interesting thought.

Speaker 4 (01:12:08):
I think the first one is attributed to Harry and
the second one is Voldemort because with Harry, we do
see that the thing that he's worried about is the
safety of serious and something does happen to him now
he's worried about Serious getting caught, of course, but we
know he gets killed, which to Harry is worse. But

(01:12:30):
I'm of the opinion that Serious, definitely what a thought
being caught was worse than being dead. But that whole
worried about Serious, worried about Hedwig, worried about safety of
you know, both of them. I think that's what she's
talking about when she says to what he fears will
come to pass something happening to one or both of them,

(01:12:52):
which and I mean technically something does happen to both
of them because Hedwig gets skilled too, so it's not soon.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
But we do. That's a good point because you earlier
in the chapter he is worried about Hedwig, and that
fear is associated with Serious as well. So yeah, I
kind of agree. I think the first one is definitely Hurry.
But if we were to look at Vaudemort and think

(01:13:19):
is she reading him, his fear is whether he will
succumb to mortality and die, So obviously he is in
a very vulnerable state at this point. He's literally reliant
on Peter Pettigrew to keep him alive, so he knows

(01:13:39):
what it means to be physically vulnerable without his body
without the illusion of immortality. So when he has that,
it is his power, but it's a very fractured and
fragile sense of power he got he has moving forward,

(01:14:01):
So I think it could apply to both. But yeah,
but you guys think.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Oh, I just think that she's an incredible fraud that
makes come on, I mean I could get Okay, here
we go, all right. She starts the first one with
you are preoccupied, my dear. She said that because she
knew that She knew that it would at least seem
like he's preoccupied, because she was hiding in her classroom

(01:14:28):
until he passed, was seated in the seat, and then
said good day to him and making him jump. So
then she uses that made him jump like it startled
him to say, you didn't notice that I was standing
here because you are preoccupied. So there's that. The second one, Yes,
we can, we can all point that towards Bordimoor, and
I do think that that is I agree with you

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Kat that Trelarney is a gifted knowwher of divination. She
is not a seer other than the true prophecies that
we see her make, but she is a knower of
how the things work now the tragic losses in life.
It is famous that Harry Potter lost his parents when

(01:15:14):
he was young. Like everyone in the Wizarding world knows
that he has dark hair. And when you when you
talked about mean stature, I didn't think that that was
odd for Harry. I know that we don't view Harry
as like a mean spirited boy. But in Divination he's
always on edge because he's getting told every class that

(01:15:35):
he's dying. So like I think that there is a
there is a a sternness to Harry in Divination that
she's using against him in this and this one hair
and so she's taking she's taking information that she knows
about Harry and melding it up and then forcing this

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thing into well, all these things are happening. So you
were born under Saturn, and yes, it happens that Voldemort
was born Undersaturn. It seems like being born in midwinter.
So I think she's a fraud, and I think that
I have some I think that I don't know. Obviously
I'm biased, and I think I made a really good
case that these things are made up.

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
Going back to the mean stature really quickly. I've always
read it as like his physical appearance, not that he
has like a mean disposition. I've always thought she was
referring to like his height and built.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
A mean stature is an archaic phrase that means of
a moderate or average height, like a mean, like an average.
That makes sense, Like, it's the mean stature. You're not tall,
you're not short.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Okay, So anyone could be of a mean statue in
that room.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Yeah, I had just googled that because I was like,
she using mean in a different sense here she is, Okay,
so ted question, yes, got a comment or a question?

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Yes? So it's part question park comment. So obviously there's
a lot of stuff that we could say. Yes, she's
a fraud, but she was right when it comes to
prophecies or unintentional prophecies about Harry or Voldemort. So could
that be because she made a prediction about Voldemort and

(01:17:22):
Harry with the prophecy, she is in tune to both
of them more so than other people.

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Oh, I like that interesting. I like that. I mean,
I think that's super interesting. Josh, I hear you. I
respect you. I think you're wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I know that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I mean, I don't think, I don't think. I don't
think you're wrong, But I think you're wrong here, and
I think you're wrong here because I think the author
is very purposefully trying to do something. Maybe that something
is that Trelawney is all those things you said, that
she is a very gifted teller, that she is no

(01:18:05):
better than someone who sits at a fair and charges
five dollars to read your fortune in front of a
crystal ball. Maybe that's what she's saying, But maybe she's
also saying, maybe she's also trying to say, here are
some clues, Here are some hints for those people that
are reading the books for the second, third, fourth time,
Because I mean, I feel like both of these apply

(01:18:28):
to both boys, and I think that's the point. I mean,
my inner eye sees past your brave face to the
troubled soul within. Like Ted you sort of said it,
Voldemore is vulnerable. He doesn't have a body. He's thinking
about what's happening this year. He's putting all of his
trust into a worm tale of all people, like have
you ever felt sorry for Lord Voldemore? Because now's the

(01:18:50):
time to feel sorry for him, you know. And then
also Harry is thinking about all of those things, too,
you know, like your worries are not baseless. I see
difficult times ahead. The thing you dread the most will
indeed come to pass sooner than you think. That could
be serious dying, That could be Boltimore dying. That could

(01:19:11):
be any number of things. And the second one is
the one that people talk about the most. You know,
like were you born in midwinter? That's obvious.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Yeah. Also, I'm a I'm a terrible person to have
on any discussions that we have here because I am
cynical and jaded, and I think that everything is just
vague enough to make sense, because.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Well that's how fortune talent works.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
It's vague and so like exactly, like exactly that first
part about the thing that you're dreading, well, soon could
could come to pass sooner than you think. Everyone has
something that they're dreading happening one way or another, or
if you don't, when you hear that, you will think
about something to dread.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
So that I just, yeah, of course it's Lavender and
the Rabbit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
I'll be able to get past it. I think that
she is a I think that she is a seer,
but she's not a seer.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I get it. I get it. I mean she does
have the blood and a broken clock can be right
twice a day.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
So you know, I'm really glad we talked to me. Sorry, No,
I thought I thought it was interesting. I'm glad that
I got her out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
I have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
I have a lot of people in my life that
are very horrid scopey that ask my opinion, and I
give my opinion because I'm asked. I don't offer it up,
and they get upset with me whatever I want to think,
and they keep doing it and I keep doing it,
and here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
Come on, people in Josh's life, stop asking him about things. Yeah,
but Ted, just to reiterate, I love what you said
about how maybe she's more in tune with Harry and
Baltimore because of that prophecy, because I mean, Dumbledore is
protecting her because of that, So that totally fits in

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line with that protection and why he thinks she needs it. Yeah,
which is very cool. I had honestly never thought of
that before.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
Oh, happy to have contributed.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
I mean, that's not all you've contributed, but appreciate it.
And then we get one of the just top five
at least, if not top ten, top ten, if not
top five. Is when I meant lines of the whole
series epic amazing because they continue their charts and Lavender

(01:21:37):
and Parvati or oohing and aye in the background, and
I think it's Lavender. Yeah, it's Lavender, who says like, ooh,
come and look at Uranus my uranus or something and
nice and.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
Ron can I have a look at Uranus to Lavender? Hilarious?
Every single time. I don't care, I lack. It's just
like a twelve year old boy. Yes, every single time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
It's a good joke. It's a good joke.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
And of course she heard him say that. Of course
tre Lani heard this. She doesn't hear anything else. Of
course you heard that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
It's very teenage boy humor. It felt very true to life.
Like I know plenty of guys you have had that
kind of sense of humor when they're fourteen, fifteen. Actually
some of them still have.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Fifty five you know, everyone on this call right now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Yeah, it was just tossed up. You gotta hit it
out of the park. I mean it's right there for you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
It was there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
I mean it's it's you know, like when I land
a good that's what she said, joke like you gotta
have some gross humor in her life, not plus gross humor,
but youranus gross humor. Well I just believe anyway, Yeah,
they leave and remind me what happens? Where do they go?

(01:23:05):
I just read this chapter.

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
They're on their way down to dinner. They're in like
the entrance hall, getting ready for dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Right, and uh, good old mister Moulhoy comes up and
uh he's like, hey, Weasley, your dad is in the
paper and he starts reading the article to everybody about
how Arthur went to help matt I as we know,
which was when the real mad I was being abducted.

(01:23:32):
When we find that out later, of course, and there's
some of like kerfuffle h with the dustbins and blah
blah blah whatever. The Ministry of Magic shows up, and
I wondered, did like a neighbor call the police on Arthur.
Why would not the Ministry of Magic? I'm sorry, like
muggle police show up? Something like a Muggle neighbor was like,

(01:23:55):
there's something going on in the backyard of my weird,
creepy neighbor who only has one eyeball. Someone needs to
go help him right now, Like that that happened, right, Yep,
we're convinced.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Of that, because yeah, what does what does Diggory says
that the policemen have been have been called or they've
already shown up or whatever. So yeah, I definitely think
it's a paper.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Yeah, it was definitely foreshadowed quite early on that the
policemen have been called to the incident, So yeah, that
was clearly just a bit of a delayed to it
getting to the newspaper. But I'll see reata skeetera put
her own spin on it, of course, And but the

(01:24:42):
thing is with Skeeter's writing, as we see later on,
is that she's a very indulgent reporter. She'll make it
sound worse or more scandalous than it actually was. So
I think it's safe to say it didn't go down
as she wrote it. Then I be truth in it,
but I wouldn't say it's completely factual the way it's

(01:25:04):
been presented.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Do we find it interesting that Moody lives near Muggles
who would call it the like, because it would have
to have been Muggles to call the Muggle police, so
that means he must live in a Muggle neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Maybe maybe he's too suspicious of wizards to live in
a wizarding neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Yeah, maybe he feel safer in the Muggle environment.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Yeah. Well, and I was just thinking about this too.
I was thinking about timeline because Ted you mentioned like
it seemed like it was a long time to get
to the paper. But when does Arthur go? When is
that mentioned? What chapter is that in? How can we
work on the timeline?

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Eleven?

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
I think that was the day they went to King's Cruss?

Speaker 1 (01:25:50):
Was it the day they went to kingscos So?

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:25:52):
September so yesterday? So then that begs the question I
guess I guess it. I guess it sort of does.
And because we see we see loopin on the train,
why aren't the professors at school before September first? I mean,
I know the ones that live there are so McGonagall, Dumbledore,
but Snape lives outside of the school during the summer.

(01:26:15):
I have to assume the other teachers do too. Regular teachers,
regular Muggle teachers, are there weeks before classes start. How
is it that they're just showing up the day like
on September first? Well, that seems weird, right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
Is that weird?

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I personally don't I personally don't think so because the
majority of the things that they're learning don't require like supplies,
you know. So I mean I get maybe Sprout needs
to be there early to get the greenhouses up and
going and like get all the all the plants like red.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
We always assume Sprout lives there because the greenhouses can't
be ignored over some exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
But like McGonagall, she teaches transfiguration. Why does she need
to be there before the students are like that, it's
just their ones.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
She lives at the castle, but yeah, I know she didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Would she has to be there before because her classroom's ready,
it's students.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
But she's not a new teacher.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Okay, mood is a new teacher they have made.

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
They would think he would be there early to get
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
At least a week, at least a week to like
set up your classroom and get settled into your apartment
and you know what I mean, like.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
In the castle. Like well, I mean he wouldn't know
the castle.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
But yeah, I don't know. It just seems they I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
They could they could send their things ahead of time.
Like let's think about Lockhart. Whenever he signed on to
like do it for the year. We know that he has.
He we know that his office and classroom are is
decorated with pictures of himself and all these things. And
even even Umbridge I guess has uh like it's all
decorated and stuff like that. The reason I wasn't I
wasn't trying to use like because they have magic flippantly,

(01:27:54):
but like when they show up they can do and
then like that's their classroom.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
That's true, that's true, it's true. That's all true. Okay,
Sorry that was a side that was a side question,
but it just made me think about it. Going back
to Malfoy's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Well, I thought you wanted to talk tomline of like
when Arthur went to Mado's house.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
And I mean, I just wanted to confirm that it
was the day before because I was I was concerned,
like why isn't mad I already at school.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Yeah, so they're dressed, Harry's dressed and like ready to
head the the Hogwarts Express and Amos shows up in
the fire and he's talking to he's talking to Arthur
about what's going on. He said, he said, Muggle neighbors
heard bangs and shouting, so they went and called the policeman.
So that's that is factual. The Muggle Muggle neighbors called

(01:28:48):
the police and then Arthur tried to get over there
because there were it was things that would fall under
Arthur's authority because the trash Bends were enchanted to attack.
So that is misuse of my artifacts.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Iconic. Yeah, but like Malfoy's proclamation here is so dumb,
like it. I think it's clearly meant to just sort
of set up the Malfoy rita skater relationship because everything
that he's saying is stupid. Arthur's just doing his job.

(01:29:29):
It's why is it? Why is it uncool? Why is it?
Like I understand plot because it's Weasley and he likes
to make fun of Ron. It's just so Malfoy's being
such a can I say the T word here, like
blurted out. He's just being such a like like seriously,
you know, like dude, grow up.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
So, and he's also playing to an audience that's not
responding to him. Yeah, So he's saying all this stuff
and no one is laughing with him, no one's steering
him on. It's like a one man show and the
audience are just watching out bolitness.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Yeah, Yeah, that I guess that's a part that I
don't really understand. I think that we as readers don't
hold mouth for we in Harvard Guard, but we hold
him with like an importance because of how important he
is to Harry's story. But if you just look at
it from Hogwarts only, like where Hogwarts at, he's a
fourth year, he doesn't seem to have very many friends

(01:30:32):
outside of the Slytherins, like and and maybe maybe this
is just like how I how I look very fondly
back on on like high school and things like that.
If this were happening to a like bullying happened in
the high school that I went to, it was very

(01:30:54):
It was usually quiet bully bullying, where you know it's
like whispers behind people's backs and things like that. But
like this is so public that like this hopefully this
isn't revisionist history, but I can imagine that if this
happened in the high school or whatever that I went to,
like an older student would shut this down almost immediately,

(01:31:16):
especially when you get talking about the Weasley family, like
what are we doing? And I think that it's plot
and I think that cats right, but like I just
I think it's so unrealistic. That all of this happens.
You have all these students ready to go into dinner,
and like are hearing this and seeing that happened to
Harry Potter before the Triwizard Tournament. I just I don't

(01:31:41):
think it's realistic that this word would be allowed to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
Yeah, it felt very plot convenient that of all the
times they've gone to dinner, there's suddenly a line to
get into the hall that's fair, and they can't just
go in, so that the way is literally arcaded.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Josh, speaking as someone who you were, you like, well liked,
had a lot of friends Jock in school, you Jock. Yeah,
you're like a popular kid, which is fine. I'm not
that's that's just not a click that like I ever
associated with. So if that were happening to like me,
a band geek, I don't think anyone would have stepped up.

(01:32:26):
I think Kat, as an adult, would one hundred percent
step up because I am a completely different person than
I was in high school, and thank goodness for that.
I was a quiet, shy, wallflower, which there's nothing wrong
with being any of those things. I just was kind
of an unhappy person and our school and maybe it

(01:32:48):
varies by school. Yeah, I don't know, but there's there's
no way that I can see anyone standing up. And
I think that in general, working in a school and
seeing a lot of just how teenagers interact, and also
reading stories of other teenagers, maybe it's also a generational thing.
Kids are really afraid to speak up and stand up

(01:33:10):
for other people. And sometimes you do get that rare
person who will do it because they don't give an
aff or they were raised in a different environment, or
you know, whatever, whatever. But I think it's much more
the exception than the rule, I guess honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
I mean, maybe it is because of like maybe where
I grew up or the friends, but even as one
of the popular kids in school, I could very I
was actually I was looking at this from the point
of view of being in the popular group, I guess,
and seeing it happen to an unpopular person. I can

(01:33:47):
I mean, off the top of my head, the people
that I would set with at lunch and things like that,
if this were happening, or if it was one of
us that we're doing it, I could I could name five, six,
seven people in that group that would have shut it down, because,
like you wouldn't have shut down the reading of the
newspaper article, but once it became a family, once it

(01:34:10):
was talking about how fat your mom is, or like yeah,
and and and and maybe listen. I mean, people are
raised differently across whatever. I don't know, like value systems
and things like that. You know. I I think that
I think that we were mean. I think that there

(01:34:30):
were mean things that we did, but I think that
this was this was a line that wouldn't have been crossed,
I guess is where I was coming from.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
Like for us when the mama talk came out like that,
that was fighting words and whatever. Like whoever you were,
even if you weren't involved directly in whatever was happening.
Either a fight would have broken out when someone tried
to shut it down. But either way, somebody, like at

(01:35:00):
my school, somebody also would have stepped in. So it
would have either been, you know, hey, knock it off
or a fight, so one of the two. There was
no in between. There was no like negotiation or anything.
There was either hey, shut it down, or hey, now
that you've gotten in it, let me kick your butt,
and then a fight would have broken out. Teachers come running,

(01:35:20):
you know, chaos zeus. But I think now with the
generation now, I feel like they this is more realistic
for the generation now, like they would stand around probably
filming it on their phones rather than say anything.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Yeah. I was just in New York and I had
my first encounter of the gen z like blank stare.
I was at the New York Public Library waiting for
a friend to get out of work. And I went
to the bag check and like, drop my bag off
and I was like, Hi, how are you can I
check my bag? Okay, here you go. She like took

(01:35:57):
it and got me the chip and I said, thank
you got it?

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Did not utter a word, and it was wild. That
wasn't my point, but I wanted to tell that story. Shawmany.
I would like to ask you a question about your
high school. Did you go to a where you lived
in Virginia? Because she says where you went to high school?

Speaker 3 (01:36:18):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
No, I went to high school in North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
You went to middle school in Virginia. Yeah, okayol Virginia. Okay.
Was your high school a predominantly black high school?

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
It was not interesting because I tend to think that
people of color stand up for each other far more
readily than white people as a white person, So that's
why I was curious. Hope that's okay if I asked.

Speaker 4 (01:36:46):
Oh, you're fine because I grew up like I went
to high school around Fort Bragg, so we had like
military like, so we have people of all kinds, and
I think it's just kind of the community nature situation
like for us. Instead of it being separated to like band, geeks, cheerleaders, football, whatever,

(01:37:09):
we were all grouped as one as I was in band,
but we were all kind of a big group. We
all looked out for each other instead being separated from
each other.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
What a nice high school experience. That sounds so nice.
Since it was near the base, was there a lot
of military kids?

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Yeah, we had quite a few, like there was. It
was a good mix. It was probably it was pretty
evenly mixed between not school military either retired like their
parents had retired, or active duty, and then like civilian kids.
So we had a pretty good mix.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Wow, well, sounds like I just went to an apathetic
high school. Then, I guess is what I'm getting out
of this.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
I would have stood up for you, kat.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
Oh, well that's very sweet, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
I can't fight at all. But I can run my
mouth pretty good, so I would have given them like
a verbal beat down and then probably gotten physically beat down.
But I would have set up for you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
I'm here for that. Well, thank you, well, thank you. Yeah.
So as part of this fight, as Josh mentioned, Malfoy
starts slinging insults at Molly. And that's where things get
really serious because Ron is like, don't you effing dare
talk about my mother? And then they spin it on
Malfoy and start talking about Narcissa, and he's like, oh,

(01:38:24):
wait a minute, I'm allowed to say the crap, but
you can't give me the crap. So the Malfoy like
whips out his wand and quote several people screamed, Harry
felt something white hot graze the side of his face.
What did Malfoy shoot at Harry? There was white hot?
Also nonverbal spell.

Speaker 2 (01:38:44):
I'm just saying, well, it doesn't necessarily mean it was
a non verbal spell. Harry is also dealing with Ron.

Speaker 1 (01:38:53):
Yes, he could have just not heard the incantation. You're correct.

Speaker 2 (01:38:56):
I did a fond for what hot about the series.
I could only find a certain number of instances that
white hot is used. It's used when Harry describes his
scar pain when Voldemort and him are having some kind
of connection to his scar. Crusio was described as white

(01:39:16):
hot knobs piercing every inch of his skin. There's like
white hot anger. That was discussed. And then the only
spell that we ever see other than Crucio that describes
something that's white hot was in Half Blood Prince whenever
Snape is escaping the castle after Dumbledore's death, the line

(01:39:40):
says that Harry felt a white hot whip like something
hit him across the face and was slammed backward into
the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
See only other Oh, that sounds like the spell.

Speaker 2 (01:39:49):
The only other instance. We don't know what the spell is,
we're never told, but that's the only other instance, and
that gives across the face.

Speaker 1 (01:39:56):
I would tend to believe it's the same spell for
two reasons. One it came from Snape and two it's
in Half Blood, So two four six that just seems
like there's too many parallels there for me to ignore.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Yep. Yeah, I don't think Draco would use an unforgivable
cuss with that many witnesses to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
He's also not capable of it either, definitely not at
that point.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
Definitely not interesting. Interesting, Hm, I appreciate the research that
you put into my simple little question very well.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Yes, I wanted to know. I really wanted a spell.

Speaker 1 (01:40:34):
Yeah, it's a bummer that we don't get a name,
but yeah, I do think it's plausible. Yeah, Harry felt
a white hot whip like something hit him across the face.
And the fact that both of them are on the
side of the face that they're white hot Slytherins Snape
and Malfoy.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Specifically, and Harry and Malfoy had the dueling club battle
in right, the two chamber up that Snape taught mouthfully,
So right, there's a lot of there's a lot of
things there. I do want to just go back, and
like the thing prior to this, Malfoy is talking about
Molly incessantly, like like constantly hitting on her, being fat,

(01:41:14):
all these things. Ron never says anything. Ron. Harry is
getting hold him back, Harry is trying to get Ron away.
Ron never says anything. Then Malfoy says something to Harry
about staying there, and then Harry says the thing about Narcissa.

(01:41:34):
Now that's probably because Ron couldn't think of anything to
say back, but he was he was upset.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
And then the glorious, glorious revenge I guess of Bartie
Cross Junior on a Mouthfoy. There's a lot. There's a
lot we can here like it is. I think it
is very interesting because you know there's a lot of
moody and death eaters, and there's across Junior and death
eaters and you know, all these kinds of things. So

(01:42:04):
we have Ferret Malfoy is a beautiful little white ferret
that gets tossed in through the air and stam through
the ground and all these things.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
So, yeah, which before we get into it, can I
just point out the part where in passing it says
crab bent down as though to touch the ferret, and
like what was he going to do? Was he about
to pick him up and start petting him or hould
him or like what was he going to do? I

(01:42:34):
was trying to pick him up.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Well, what's funny. What's really funny about that too, though,
is it is a pure wht ferret was shivering on
the stone flagged floor exactly where Malfoy was. So then
you have shivering Ferro Malfoy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
He's going into completely shock at that one.

Speaker 4 (01:42:56):
I just thought it was funny, the visual and picturing
crab like picking up now afo, the fear increadling him
in his arms, impetting him to calm him down.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Yeah, I thought that was a oh is this real
kind of moment where he almost wanted to inspect it? So, yeah,
like poke, that's why that's what I thought. I thought
it was going to be a is he real? That
kind of curious moment for crowd to just look. But yeah,

(01:43:29):
it's a very aggressive way to deal with a feuding
student situation looking back, even though it's very satisfying. Yeah,
although I don't think this panel disagrees.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
With it, well I'm not. I'm not sure. I do
disagree with spells from professors being used on students. I
think that I think that I just want to get
out in front of that and just say, shouldn't do that?
Got it? Okay, this is funny, you know, like it
is funny because it's Malfoy, But this is the same

(01:44:06):
situation if Snape did this to Ron, we would all be.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
Mad, so totally.

Speaker 2 (01:44:13):
I mean, this is this is a commonplace situation that's funny.
What I think is really fun to think about in
this situation, is do we why did Barty Krause Junior
do this to Malfoy? Was it because of Lucius or

(01:44:33):
was it because he truly thought that what he was
doing was wrong?

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
Yeah, I mean that's such an interesting question. I've I've
always wondered that myself. Is it you know, because again
this isn't mad I, this is Bartie Crouch Junior. Is
he because what's the line that he says? It's something
like people who attack when somebody's back is turned, Like,

(01:44:57):
what's that exact line? I just feel like it has
has to be a nod at Lucius. I mean, Malfoy
is being slimmy too, and.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
It's so it's God, I don't like people who attack
when their opponent's backs turned. Stinking cowardly, scummy thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
Yeah, he's totally can be talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Yeah that's the thing, Lucious.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
That's a dig at Lucious.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
I mean it has to be. And it's like, because
we know it's BARTI Crowdy Junior, you sort of have
to look at everything he says, like read between the
lines here.

Speaker 5 (01:45:34):
Well, I think it can be both well, and then
even even if you go back and and if you're
you know, in this in this portion of the series,
if you're only looking at it from Moody's perspective, Moody
is also doing this to get back a Lucius Malfoy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
You know, if if we if if it is just
Moody and that's not Bartikrouse Junior, this is something that
I think Moody would do, and that I think that's
another really fun thing to set to look at here too,
is if if the reason that he did this is
the well okay, sorry, if the reason that he gave
is the true reason why he did it, that's a

(01:46:10):
very Gryffindor thing to do. It's a very chivalry and
you know, all the honor and all those things. So
you you know this is this is the perfect mystery
and this is the perfect mystery villain because you could
look at it and go, well, he's being moody, He's
being a moody Gryffindor. But then if you look at

(01:46:31):
it from the perspective of getting back at your opponents,
this is a very slitherin move.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
So is it both then it's a combination of both,
because I don't imagine him and Lucius are like besties no, so,
and surely they've had some kind of conflicts in the past.
So he has a chance to get back at an
adversary through his son by pretending that he's doing it

(01:46:58):
for the noble reasons that Moody would do it. Who
he's pretuning to be.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
So, so we don't I don't believe that Bartikross Junior
and Lucius ever had an issue before this is his
issue with Lucius is one hundred percent because he Bartikross
Junior has been living in the Wizarding World, hidden in
the Wizarding World, but has been hearing about Lucius, and
he believes that Lucius is a scummy death eater that

(01:47:25):
is basically just a boot liquor that's trying to rot
like raise the steaks and all these things, and doesn't
actually care about Voldemort.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
Yeah, because he hasn't gone looking for him. He I mean,
he you know, he's been loyal, right, Boltemore specifically calls out, like,
my most loyal servant is who brought me back. And
you know, he's not talking about Wormtail. He's talking about
Bardikrouch Junior. And there's a whole part of that. There's
a whole part of that speech that talks about like

(01:47:57):
how come none of you came to find me, you know,
and some of you just slipped right back into the
society and like lived your lives. And I think that's
where Bardi Crouch and Voldemorre share those Bardi Crouch Junior, sorry,
share those views that more should have been done to

(01:48:18):
help the dark Lord. Yeah, I think it's got to
be both. I can't see the real mad Ee doing
this because I think the real mad Ee, I want
to put this delicately, has too many marbles rolling around

(01:48:41):
in his head, like some screws are loosing there. You know,
he's been through a lot. He's like a like a
war veteran, literally like it has lost a chunk of
his face, has only one eyeball, you know, like there's
some trauma there and that since they don't have therapy,

(01:49:02):
he hasn't worked through. So I don't I think he's
not quite right. So I can't see him doing that.
But I can't not not see him do that. Is
that too many knots? Well, I think you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:49:14):
Yeah, So I feel like this is probably our first
glimpse PARTI Krauz Junior for me, anyway, because I feel
like there's I can by. Crouch is like the prime
example of an extreme ideology, like he believes Voldemort cause

(01:49:36):
to a fault, and he served prison time to prove
his devotion to Voldemore. So I feel like when we
have the moment where he says I could tell you
stories about your father, I feel like that is Crouch
saying he could tell stories about Lucius in a way

(01:49:59):
that even wouldn't know war know, if it's certain at
that point Crouch would know Lucius on a level that
Draco would never.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's you know, it's a
it's a satisfying moment. But josh as you said, like
if this were Snape and Ron, we'd hate it. We
would hate it, yep. So we have to we sort
of have to hate it here too, even though it's

(01:50:34):
funny and it's Malfoy, but you sort of still have
to hate it here because it is really I mean,
it is really bad. And McGonagall coming up and being
like McGonagall, being the person that walks into this situation
and sees what's happening is a great choice because who

(01:50:54):
else is going to be this stern I think about
what's going on and handle the situation and sort of
step into it the way that she does.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
Yeah, the only the only thing I want, the only
thing I really wanted to say. You know, Kat, you
were talking about you could you could you could see
Moody not do this, but also you could see him
do this, you know, and you were talking about like
he has some marbles, you know, loosing his head and
things like that. But I think that that is all
Moody that we're told about, not Moody that we see

(01:51:28):
once like Order of the Phoenix starts, we don't see
screw loose Moody. We see at war Moody and he
and he does seem very together and he seems very
I don't know, just just efficient and I guess reliable,
is the way I wanted wanted to say it. So like,

(01:51:48):
I think that we hear about him being crazy and
and and certainly the dust bends and things like that
don't help. But once we actually see the man in
the next three books, I think that we I think
that we can pretty much prove that he would not
actually do this because he has it together.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's the paranoia that leads
me to believe that there's still some stuff going on.
I mean, the like constant vigilance is like, you know
that that whole thing of it all just feels a
little like, Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:52:24):
Do think he has it together, Like there's a little
trauma there, But I don't think it's as bad as
it's made out to be.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
No, of course not. I mean that's that's probably typically true.
But I but I you know, I hear you. I
still think there's probably a couple of foundational screws that
are a little loose, that are a little loose.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
But to also think Barti Crouch spent quite a lot
of his formative years in Azcaban, and then when he
was free from as command, if you can call it
being freed, he was put under the imperialist guys. So
I feel like there is definitely an i'm an unhinged

(01:53:14):
aspect to Barty's portrayal of mad I In like Josh
just said, we don't see made as chaotic as he
is portrayed here, and I feel like that is more
Crouch coming out rather than Crouch being a really really

(01:53:36):
good actor.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
There's another thing that I wanted to point out is
that the real Madai Moody never says constant vigilance. Oh,
it's only fake Moody that ever says it. So even
the paranoia that we're told about is paranoia from Marti
Krass Junior. It's not even mad Moody.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
Interesting, Interesting that I mix that up, even after all
these readings, I had no idea real Moody is the
one with the wand and the buttocks.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Which is just safe?

Speaker 1 (01:54:09):
Is it is just safe?

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
It is just very valid point he mix.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
I feel like his teaching method would be a lot
more different to by crouches version of a defense against
the Dark Hosts lesson in what sense, probably more structured,
like it would be a I feel like he'd be
almost militant with how he approaches lessons, whereas crowds just

(01:54:36):
kind of let them wing it. Almost there was no
real structure to his teaching method.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Is Hermione in the courtyard when of this happens. Is
she with Harry and Ron?

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
Is she?

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
Ah, she's too busy trying to hold run back.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
Oh that's right, that's right, that's right, because she doesn't
really does she comment on it at all, And.

Speaker 4 (01:54:59):
She doesn't really say anything about it, which is surprising,
which is odd for Hermione, she.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
Has an opinion on everything. Two preoccupied with her school work,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
But also she did slap Draco the year before, so
I feel like that should have made Draca a bit
more cautious when having these public displays of bullying so openly,
but apparently not.

Speaker 1 (01:55:26):
You would think, right, but it's not PDAs but pdbs.
I love it. Yeah, all right, do we have anything
else to say about the what I'm gonna call the
ferret moment because we just got a couple more things
to wrap up our chapter if.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
We are like, yeah, moving on? Really, the only thing
that that it really hit me here, Uh you know
they have they I think they end up having dinner.
Hermione leaves to go back to the library. It really
hit me here that this is this is where she
is working on spew. I don't know why I never
picked up on it before, but like, we know that

(01:56:04):
she is going to the library, but she doesn't have homework,
and so that I finally went, oh, this is first
few right, Okay, so that's interesting. It gave very It
gave a lot of I guess, reminders of her working
on buck Beak's case in the last book. Oh yeah,
so I thought I thought there was some parallel there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Yeah, definitely, definitely. Okay, well we we wrap up this
chapter sort of back where we started. They're in uh,
they're in the dining hall. They're in the Great Hall
at the dining hall, the Great Hall whatever or is
it the common room, the common room, common room whatever?
I know words, But friend George are like, oh, we
just had her first lesson with Moody. He's so cool,

(01:56:49):
like beyond cool, super cool. He knows man like, he's
been there, he knows.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
You were right. They are still at dinner. Hermione leaves
and then oh, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:00):
I was like, I'm pretty sure they finished back in
the Great Hall, because it's like beginning and end, beginning
and ende, beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Her mooney, her money leaves and then they all they
the other Lee, Fred and George sat.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Down where she was sit down right, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
Yeah. I had to admit, Mama sake, I hate I
hate being wrong. Yeah, but it's just funny. He's like
seeing the early reviews from these from these fifty years. Uh,
you know, it's just like, I don't know, it's just
people that have like that have read like all like

(01:57:38):
throw for the first time, like, oh, it's just so
cool man, just he knows like it's just like reading
like some philosopher that yeah, we get it. But but
to be fair, like the first three interactions that we
get with Moody, we haven't had the third one yet,
but the first three that we get are showing up
late and at a flash of lightning, like he walks

(01:58:00):
in during your flash of lightning during the.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
Does that happen in the book? That's not just movie,
it's in the book.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Yeah. It talks about okay, yeah, because there's a crash
of lightning and then the door opens.

Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
I have not read these books beginning to end in
a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
My friends turns mouth away into a ferret and then
the Unforgivable Curses is tomorrow, right.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
Yeah, which is very interesting that he gets the namesake
of the chapter because he's only in it for a
couple of pages of that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Yeah, but he makes an impression.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
Does that happen? So the Lockhart chapter is where we
meet Lockhart in book two, Lupin doesn't have a chapter
named after him. Does that really happen with anybody else?
I mean, I mean half Blood Prints obviously, but we
already know Snape is.

Speaker 3 (01:58:53):
As the High Inquisitor. If say, if we're going by side.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
Too, oh yeah, order the Phoenix yep.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
Uh as Caban. Isn't there a Mooney chapter Mooney and Prongs?

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
Yeah, but that's towards the end. It's not where we
meet Lupin. I was just trying to think about, like,
you know, because the Lockhart chapters where we meet Lockhart.
This Madi Moody is where we meet Moody. I was
just trying to see if there was some kind of trend,
but it really doesn't seem like there is. I mean,
what else would you pull out of this chapter? I
mean the boring classroom chapter? Is that what we would

(01:59:29):
call it?

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, does have a chapter named after him.
It's in the first book, The Potions Master.

Speaker 4 (01:59:42):
The Potions Master, Potions Master.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
You're right, that's but not but not professor.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
Okay, so there is some precedent for that, so.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Horce Horn has a so okay, yeah, at.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
The time, I think that's the place we're gonna leave
it today. Oh, we're gonna say.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
I think at the time they thought that Slughorn was
going to be the the Ada Professor.

Speaker 1 (02:00:04):
You're right, all right, that's it. We're wrapping it upright,
Chapter thirteen, Goblet of Fire done, closed, out of here, done,
check it off the list, Sam, this was episode. We
only have twenty six episodes left. Wow, it's going by
in the blink of an eye, isn't it so?

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
Ted, thank you very much for joining us. If you
have anything online that you would like to share, please
you can do that here and send our listeners over
to check you out. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:34):
Absolutely so, thank you guys all for having me again.
It's been really lovely to chat reviewal and if anyone
wants to follow me, you can do so at TJ.
Ryan Rights. I'm an author, screenwriter, and reviewer, so there's
a good mixture of stuff on there.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
What do you write?

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
I actually have two pen names, so under TJ. Ryan
right adult fantasy and romance, and under my real name,
Ted Ryan, I do children's fantasy.

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
So cool.

Speaker 3 (02:01:11):
Yeah, two very different genres.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
Well, congrats, thank you, yeah, and thanks again for being
here and for finding us and for wanting to join us.
Before we wrap up for good pleasure, very glad, folks,
We are going to jump all the way back to
how ironic considering he was in this chapter and we
talk so much crap about him. Uh. Book one Sorcerer's

(02:01:37):
Stone slash Philosopher's Stone, depending on where you live. Chapter four,
The Keeper of the Keys. So this is a good one.
This is the Hagrid introduction chapter. Josh, don't be on
that one.

Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
I am on that one.

Speaker 1 (02:01:50):
Oh na, oh, dear, well be nice because he's not
a teacher in that book. I mean he kind of
is a teacher because he's Harry's teacher to the word.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
Yes, in that chapter he only uses magic illegally and
turn and puts a tail on a on a muggle
child can't wait.

Speaker 4 (02:02:10):
Yeah, he's not totally out of control yet.

Speaker 1 (02:02:13):
Great, it's gonna be four seventy five is gonna be
a fun one kids.

Speaker 4 (02:02:18):
Oh my gosh. Well, if you don't know by now,
you can follow us on pretty much any social media
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the Dumbledore and please remember to subscribe, save and share
this episode with all of your brains. And with that,
this has been episode seventy four of the Final one hundred.
I'm Shamani, I'm Kat, and I'm Josh.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Thank you for listening to episode four seventy four of
Aloha Mora, Leave that Farah alone and open foot Dumbled Folder.

Speaker 6 (02:03:02):
Alohama is produced by Tracy Dunstan. This episode was edited
by Catherine Lewis. Alohamorra was co created by Noah Freed
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Speaker 4 (02:03:14):
A p W B d LLC.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
Leave that Ferret alone and open the dumbled Shoot. I
just fumbled that one all up. Do it again unless
the one has a better one, that'd be great.

Speaker 4 (02:03:36):
Nope, that's great, And now I'm speaking of crab again.
Here Ferret, Ferrett, Ferret, come here, little Ferret,

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