GOF, 16 Revisit: Pesky Pattissiere

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
This is episode four hundred and fifty eight of a
Look Mora for June twenty eighth, twenty and twenty five. Welcome, Welcome,

(00:38):
Welcome everybody to another episode of Aloha Mora, the fandom's
original Harry Potter book Club. I'm Alison Siggard, I'm Josh Cook.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
And I'm Kat Miller, and we are very delighted to
have our friend and awesome instagrammer Amber the Magical Minimalist
here with us today. Hey Amber, yay having thank you
so much for being here. Tell our listen, there's just
like a little bit about yourself, like your house and
how you got into Harry Potter, you know all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, so I'm in Ravenclaw, and.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Yeah, I've been into Harry Potter pretty much most of
my life. I remember watching the first film when I
was about four, and yeah, I pretty much grew up
on the series. I was born in nineteen ninety eight,
so I like came up right on the cusp of
its popularity. And yeah, I've I've just loved it all

(01:34):
my life. What can I say. I've just been absolutely
obsessed and it's kind of followed me all the way
into adulthood. So I started my Instagram, which is it
kind of focused on more of like a minimalist aesthetic.
I wanted it to sort of grow with me my
interest in that.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
So yeah, I think that's awesome. By the way, I
think we could all use a little bit of minimalism
in our lives personally. But I won't go annie, I
won't go rant about that. What's your favorite book, Oh,
Harry Potter book?

Speaker 4 (02:03):
Well, you know what, I'm actually rereading them for the
first time. The last time I've read them was two
thousand and nine. Oh my gosh, I know, and it's
it's to my great shame that I'm like, I have
to once and everyone's always like what some rereading them?
But from my memory, my favorite was Order of the Phoenix,

(02:26):
So it's going to be interesting to see if that's
the same.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Now, No, it won't. She's a smart read. It's a
smart lady Order.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I feel like, especially with a gap like that, you'll
understand Order in a different way, which is always interesting.

Speaker 5 (02:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah, wow, Orders my favorite book. And I'm also a
raven class so I just feel like we're like really
vibing and we're besties are so I'm here.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
For Josh and I are over here, like Griffer Door
Give Me is not the best one.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
You're getting us ready for a fight here as what
it sounds like. Well, Amber, we are super duper excited
to have you here today, and we are going to
be talking about chapter sixteen of Goblet of Fire, which
is the title chapter, which is really cool. We always
love a title chapter. The last time we we oh gosh,

(03:31):
the last time we talked about this episode fifty four
that was over four hundred episodes, four hundred and four
episodes ago, Wild Wow, October twenty thirteen with myself apparently
Eric Michael, and our friend Brizzy Voices. So if you

(03:52):
want some extra enjoyment, you know, go listen to that
one before you listen to this one. That way, you
can go in the commons and be like, Cat, you
contradicted what you said twelve years ago, and I'll be like,
all right, cool, I don't remember what I ate last week.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
So we are very different people from twelve years Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, Amber, what book are you currently on in your reread?

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Goblet of Fire?

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Perfect?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Have you written it? So there's worked out perfectly then,
didn't it?

Speaker 6 (04:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:19):
I was like, you know what I had a baby
in March, and so I was like, I need to
catch up because I haven't had the chance. So I
challenged myself to read because I only re read Philosopher's Stone,
and I was like, I'm doing this podcast, I'm doing
Goblet of Fire. I have to being the raven call
that I am. It wasn't good enough to just read

(04:40):
Goblet of Fire. I needed the context. So for five
days I've been like this constantly, just like how through
Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkabant And now I'm like
halfway through Goblet of Fire?

Speaker 2 (04:53):
So perfect, amazing. I do feel like and then we'll
actually talk about the chapter, but I'm so interested in
the fact that you haven't read it in so long,
Like are you remembering everything? Do you feel like this
is the three hundredth time you've read it you or
are you reading it and you're like, oh my god,
I totally forgot that happened.

Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah, it's more about the latter. Yes, it's mostly the latter.
I'm like, oh, yeah, that did happen, more so in
Goblet of Fire than anything else. Like I thought that
because I've seen the movies a million times, Like I
can do the striped like nobody's business.

Speaker 7 (05:30):
But the start of Goblet of Fire, I was like, oh,
I completely forgot that Harry isn't at the Weasleys at
the start, like he said, the Dynastleys, but Chamber of
Secrets and Prisoner of Azkaban.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
There wasn't too much missing out of that like.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
That I forgot.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
But yeah, no, it's really interesting reading them again as
an adult. Like I was eleven the last time I
read them.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
I'm now twenty.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
Seven, so I have a completely new respect to of
the whole thing, and it's awesome.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
I love the idea that we could have spoilers on
this podcast, where like Alice Alison says something from like
Half Flood Prince and Amber's like, what that happened?

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm just gonna start throwing out all these random tidbits.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Well, the good thing is, I mean, well, with the
exception of Half Blood Prince, you've seen the movies, which
are relatively accurate again except Half Blood Princes.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
That's why reference quite a bit got cut out of
order and Goblet.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yes, yeah, the amount, Yeah, you're not wrong.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Good stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yeah, well, congrats on the baby by the way, y, Yeah,
very yay. Indeed, Oh hey this me.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
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Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yeah, thanks Adam, You're a zip.

Speaker 8 (07:35):
Whoop yay, love it all right, let's do this because guys,
it's crumb. I was about to start singing, Victor, I
love you.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Oh that is so good.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I love that part so much. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Josh is like, what, I don't watch the movies?

Speaker 5 (07:59):
Three tons do it?

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Chapter revisit?

Speaker 9 (08:07):
Got it?

Speaker 10 (08:11):
Chapter sixteen, The Goblet of Virus.

Speaker 11 (08:25):
Anyway, it's Crumb and about twenty other students from dirm
String in Bobazon. As the Driverser Tournament officially gets underway,
Ron goes fall fan boy and then love her boy
while reminding takes offense to how the other schools act.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
After a grand feast, the Goblet of Fire is revealed,
with twenty four hours for the three champions from the
three schools to be selected. Dumblsore has made the rules
very clear, and it seems like they'll even be enforced
for once, and Harry is very much looking forward to
being a casual bystander cheering on someone else for a change,
but of course that's not what Fate and Bardi Crouch

(09:02):
Junior have in mind for him.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
That was a very good summary.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
It was.

Speaker 4 (09:07):
It really was.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
It's almost like you're a writer, you should do that
for a living.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's almost it's almost like I haven't.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Almost as.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Well.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Our chapter kicks off as Alison said, you know, we're
about to step into the Tribezard tournament. The schools have
just arrived, and Ron is fangirling over Crumb like nobody
has over fangirled over a quiddish player before. Probably not true,
but like probably true, and I wondered, are there any
sports sports personalities that any of you would act like

(09:41):
that about?

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Not currently, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Okay, So who in the past I would like?

Speaker 5 (09:49):
Growing up? I guess like after like middle school and
high school. I was always number five for like when
I played basketball for a it's a basketball player named
Jason Tidd. I think it whenever I was fourteen. I
think that I would have lost every faculty that I had.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
I recognized that name, did you too?

Speaker 12 (10:09):
Who?

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Who did he play for?

Speaker 5 (10:11):
Uh? Dallas Maverick's Phoenix Sun's new Jersey nets for a
few years around like the two thousand.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I don't know anything about basketball. Sorry, I wish. I
was trying really hard to be like, do I actually
know who?

Speaker 1 (10:24):
I don't? I'm not really a sports person.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
What though I have?

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I have called cat right before meeting some a certain
somebody at a stage door once.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
That's true. That's true because I only because I threatened
her and I said, if you don't do it, I'm
gonna slap you. And to be fair, friends, I wouldn't
have actually hit her, but she did, and I was
so powder.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Her, but I was I was panicking, but I was
thinking sports people, and I was like, I don't know,
and then I was like, oh, Serena Williams, If I
met Serena Williams, I'd like lose my mind or Andy
Murray or Coco GoF I'm gonna give it out to
Coco Golf right now too, because she just won the
French Open.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, yeah, I die a little, but I'm not really
a sports person, so that was really yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
There's a bunch of baseball players that I have crushes on,
so I don't I don't. I mean, if this counts,
I guess Ron sort of has a crush on Crumb.
I have a friend who thinks that Ron and Hermione
and Crumb would be the ultimate throuple, but that's another episode.
But for me, it would probably be Olympians, So like
Usain Bolt would be really cool. I'd love to meet him,

(11:37):
cool someone Biles, you know, just like Elana Maher, you know,
just like some of those like really cool like Olympians.
I don't again, I don't know that i'd be like
Ron over it, but I would definitely be like, oh
my gosh, am I really meeting like a bona fide Olympian,
right now that's hella cool, that's all.

Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, A.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
Look, admittedly, I mean.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Any cricket stars.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
That's probably my worst one. I can never und I
never know what's going on. Whenever my husband's watched, I'm like,
the only one that comes to mind is like, the
only person I'd really be like about is probably Travis Kelcey,
and that's literally because he's dating taylors.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
With I'm not gonna lie, that's iconic.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Yeah, if it wasn't Taylor Swift, sorry Travis Kelsey, but
I would have absolutely no idea who he is.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
No, you're right, You're absolutely right though, And literally i'd
be like, so can I meet Taylor?

Speaker 5 (12:48):
Yeah? Well that's it. That's the fangirling is not for Travis.
It's the potential that Taylor.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Is around exactly exactly nothing.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
You know what? Can I change my answer?

Speaker 13 (13:02):
Yeah to that, though, I will say Travis Kelcey when
he was his episode of SNL was absolute, hysterically funny
and it seemed like he was having the time of
his life.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
He seems cool.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
I guess if I was studying Taynis Swift, that's true.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, we we also learn so obviously we we already
know this because we've already been to the Quidish World Cup,
but I thought it was I remember when I read
it for the first time given context here, I remember
being like, oh, crumb, he's still in school. That's weird
because in America that doesn't really happen, school age kids

(13:40):
playing professional sports. And I wondered if that's a more
common thing in the UK or any of the Commonwealth's
Like maybe Amber can speak. I know you're not into sports,
and I'm not trying to put you on the spot,
but like, maybe you're aware of some school age kids
who play professional sports, because I guess it's a thing
in the UK, which I learned about thanks to Ted Lasso.
No spoiler, as Alison, I promise, But yeah, I mean

(14:05):
that's not normal, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:07):
It's definitely not normal in the United States.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
Yeah, okay, I didn't know. Like, so, I was born
in England, so I'm British, and then I moved to
Australia when I was eleven, so I've kind of got
a bit of context for both. And I know in
the UK people can get scouted for football, as in
soccer when they're quite young. Obviously, I don't think they

(14:29):
start playing professionally, but they're probably getting recruited at least.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Again, No, that's exactly that. That is the exact fact
that I learned from Ted Lazo.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
So yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like I
had this conversation with somebody recently where it was it's
like they play on.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Like a second We talked about it on this podcast,
like twenty episodes a Girl.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
Yeah, recently.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, David Beckham like there's photos of him signing some
contract when he's like fifteen or whatever.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I think he says it in his Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah, they play on like the x X ex exhibition.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Team, exhibition team. And I want to say, MESSI got
like recruited, Like a kid told me MESSI got recruited
when he was like nine or something.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I have a lot of students into soccers.

Speaker 5 (15:12):
So yeah, the way that like international soccer can run
is like you get recruited and you go to the academy.
He's like, but and you're still playing like professional but
it's just like like it's like under twenty ones or
under eighteens or whatever. But like there are players that
get called up early to play professionally, like Wayne Rooney, Uh,
he played for the English like Olympic or World Cup

(15:35):
team movies. Yeah, when he was like seventeen. I think
my the Premier League club that I support as Wolverhampton
and they just like they have an eighteen year old
that is going to be on their bench for and
like he's on the he's on the pro team. So like,
I don't think that it's I'm not as interested in

(15:56):
the fact that he's school aged, I guess, because that
is not common but accepted. I guess in the UK,
I'm more or in Europe at least, I'm more interested
that he's still in like general education while doing that. Yeah,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Well, I mean I guess Kat, you brought up Olympians earlier,
and that happens even in the US, right, like especially
like gymnasts and stuff, they're usually like in their mid
teens or.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Shah, and then they would be privately tutored, which I
guess is Josh's point.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Then yeah, yeah, maybe he is interesting.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Maybe he is privately tutored at dirm straining, but they're
just bringing him because obviously he's gonna be picked and
Kharkaroff thinks he's gonna win.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
Yeah, some of that could also be like they would
be privately too, like in Muggle world they would be
privately tutored because like travel requirements and in the Wizarding
World like Portky's and things exist, like maybe the travels
easier so they can get away with that.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
I wonder if he wants to stay in normal school too, right,
because as we get to know him, we know he's like.

Speaker 5 (16:59):
He's really grounded.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, he's pretty grounded, and so maybe he's like, I
don't want necessarily anything special, like I want to just
kind of stay and get my education, which by the way,
makes him very smart. Then if he's like, I want
to get a real formal education because I know I
won't be playing sports.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Forever, right, I want to I want to learn as
many dark arts as I can from this deafeater.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
How quidditch players are when they retire, Like what is
appropriate with time and age for a quidditch player.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Oh yeah, I don't know if it ever says anything
about bag Man he uh, he just says that he
wanted he wanted to like maybe he wanted to retire
before he lost like his mental capabilities.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I think, well, how many bludders you got hit by.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
That's yeah, I think, I mean, and that's the thing too.
It's not like, and we've talked about this again as well,
the quidditch is not necessarily a physically demanding sport, although
obviously you can still get hurt. So it's not like
you're going to retire and I mean get again unless
you have had bloodgers hit you and stuff. You're not
going to retire with like tennis elbow or Yeah, well,

(18:08):
I guess a bad back would be possible because you
were on a broomstick for hours.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Well, and you could get arm injuries from throwing the
quaffle or I suppose that.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Got that Quiota jailbow. You know.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, I feel like.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
So bad after a while because these quidditch games, if
no one catches the snitch, they go on for ages
and ages.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
Yeah, well, and I would I would imagine that the seekers,
the seekers career would be shorter than most because like
it's more like reaction time than it is anything else. Yeah, yeah,
you know, so like that would go there at some
point in time. You just you can't just based it
on instincts anymore, Like you have to be able to

(18:52):
find it and go.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
And yeah, no, you're right, You're totally right.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
But I do think there's there's a physicality of I mean,
like I always compare quidditch to polo for some reason
because it feels similar in like what muscle groups and
things you'd use right to like gripping the broom and
like your arm usage. And I'm sure there are different
injuries and stuff. Yeah, that could happen. So and it

(19:19):
doesn't say how old Bagman really is or give.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Us even clues Mexicon.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
No, I don't know. There's just sick in the book.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
But Bluto Bagman, let's see, probably not. We don't have
many birthdays. I mean we always feel like you have
a lot of birthdays.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, it really just says he looks like a powerfully
built man gone to seed, is all he's really described as. So,
I don't know, maybe fifties or so.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, let's see, he was he was a beater in
the eighties, so you know he's older. So let's just
assume that he was in his twenties in the eighties.

Speaker 5 (19:55):
Well, when when did he get questioned by the ministry?

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Ninety five?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Okay, and he was still on the team then, because
somebody oh.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Wait, No, I'm sorry the gambling. Sorry, ninety five is
the year we're talking about right now?

Speaker 5 (20:09):
Oh yeah, yeah, hang out.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Oh yeah, so he's he's questioned for.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Let's see, is that what you were talking about?

Speaker 5 (20:16):
No, I was talking about when he was questioned by
the ministry for like death, theater influence or whatever. You
remember that when he like walked into the the trial,
didn't he wasn't. Yes, we have a I'm not if
I'm making.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Okay, yeah, I don't know if you have a year,
because somebody when does he see that memory?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Although it says at the height of his quidditch career
This is from the Lexicon. Ludo was accused of passing
information to Augustus Rookwood, an old friend of Ludo's father.
So Rookwood is Lucius his age? I would assume we
don't know. We don't know his age. I'm gonna say
just based on the fact that he was a quidditch
player in the eighties, maybe he was born in a

(20:59):
late fifties or sixties.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
So at this point he'd be yeah, maybe forty, late forties,
early fifties.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, which seems about right. Yeah, it seems about right.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
So he probably had to retire maybe his mid thirties
or so. Yeah, if he's made it all the way
up to being head of Magical Games and Sports by
this point.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah, that sounds right, That sounds right.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
No, it seems he kind of rode his sports fame
to get that position all out of way.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
So, I mean, we have someone in our political cabinet
who was on road rules. So what is life? Anyone
can be anything, my friend, anyone can be anything. H
And with that, let's talk about Hermione.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, because Ron is going full fangirl, but Hermione is
like so offended by so much. But it's really interesting
because her tune does kind of change even in this chapter,
like over the course of a day, she starts to
shift a little bit. Here at the beginning, when they
first show up on October thirtieth, she is very kind

(22:07):
of dismissive. She doesn't care. She's like, why is everybody
being embarrassing about this? Quidditch player will get to kind
of how she acts with the Bobaton students because she
is not happy about them. But the next day, when
they're walking back from Hagrids for the Halloween feast, Hermione
is the one to be like, oh, look they're the

(22:29):
derm String students, which I think is interesting, And I'm like,
is it Is it because Ron's taken an interest that
she's tried to take an interest because we know, we
know she's got it for Ron already, or is it
just she's curious about these these new people?

Speaker 10 (22:46):
Now?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
What do you think she says? What does she say? Oh,
that was the part that you posted in and was like,
what is this weird? Saying? That was in that moment? Right, No,
that's for when she goes when she goes to Badges. Yeah,
sorry SPW, which we can.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Talk about that saying too, because that was fun.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Doesn't but what does she say? Doesn't she say? Like
she says, are.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
You talking about the next day? On the thirty first? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, at the beginning she like, Ron's freaking out and
her money says, for heaven's sake, Ron, he's only a
quidditch player. And then when the sixtier girls are discussing
if they have a quill, do you think he'd sign
my hat and lipstick? Really? Hermione said loftily as they
passed the girls. So she is definitely like not on board.

(23:38):
And then she gets gets into the whole thing with oh.
And then when when Ron says, where do you reckon
they're going to sleep? We could offer a space in
our dormitory, Harry, I wouldn't mind giving him my bed.
I could kip on a camp bed.

Speaker 5 (23:49):
Hermione snorted that my a role maybe permanent. From Ron
saying that the boy would would give up his band
for somebody get out of here, that blows my mind.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
There's no way, Like I I can't even fathom that,
there is no way I'd be sleeping in the camp
bed for a whole year.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
That's just like I mean, like Ron, they slept on
the camp beign and deathly hallows and like three days
in he was like, this is the worst time of
my entire life.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Because Victor Crumb is sleeping.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Amazing.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Imagine if like the Gryffindor boys, how how many is
there like in their year level, like six or seven
of them, and then just Victor on his.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Own, like no other students, just him, Like I feel like.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
The the cultural shift would be quite interesting for them.
I don't know if he'd even speak.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Yeah, he probably like not talking. They'd get over it,
I think really fast they'd be like, oh, never mind
this guy.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, well, I mean, he'd have to the rest of
the eyes in the door and would have to be
cool with it, like Ron's the only one who wants
is there.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I feel like they'd be cool with it, though. Maybe
they're all fourteen year old boys who enjoy quidditch to something.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
I mean, because he's like seventeen and there, yeah whatever
it is he and they're all forty. Can you imagine
that how awkward that would be for Crub?

Speaker 5 (25:22):
Yeah? Imagine imagine if imagine if one of them took
the fourteen year old girl on a date. It'd be crazy,
wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Well, I mean, and they're like Crumb is like Josh
is not on board with that.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
I am not.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Crumb is a dude, Like Crumb is like a full
grown maid. Granted, I know, I know he's still technically
a teenager, but the way that he is written, the
way he's portrayed in the film, like he is a dude.
And they're all getting naked in the same room, that
is that that is going to last a day before

(25:58):
they're like, get out of here, we don't want to
see that. You're making us feeling fior, I'm sorry. Just
get out of here.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
A solid point, right, I mean, that's a solid point.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
You're already insecure.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
You're not wrong, You're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I mean I feel like Neville is probably the most
secure in who he is as a person. Yeah, like
body body wise, he's got low.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Self esteem, but like Neville knows who he is.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Yeah. But to answer your original question about Hermione, which
was uh, I mean, Rum is like Crumb is cute,
and Ron does like him, and so maybe she is
making an effort and Crumb is cute. You know, maybe
she was up when they put their names in the

(26:50):
when they put their names on the goblet that night
or whenever, and and they did that weird, I think,
like they do in the movie where he's like.

Speaker 8 (26:57):
In the movie, he doesn't talk to her, but she's reading,
and she's just like looking at.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
To be fair, to be fair. I look at stand
that way too. So that's fine.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
I mean, why wouldn't you, So it's fine. Yeah. I
do have to say, though, there's so much irony in
when Malfoy starts talking to Crumb because the germ shrink
students at the Slytherin table. Ron's like Oh, I bet
he can see right through whom he knows when he's
trying to smarm him up. Just I just cackled, because.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
Over Overron, that's all you can say, Like what, I'm sorry,
I know this is not interesting podcasting, but like, what
else can you say.

Speaker 14 (27:42):
About Ron here other than it's old Ron, it's so
fourteen year old boy boy, it's brilliant, Well it's it's
it's also gryffindor sleather and stuff here too, of like, oh,
I want to get to know Crumb and be Crumb's
friend for all the right reasons, and Malfoy is definitely

(28:03):
trying to become his friend for.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
All the wrong reasons whatever. In reality, we're all just fourteen.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
You know. I I know I've talked about this theory,
and I sort of wish we did topic episodes still
so that we could go to this. But I mean,
I firmly believe that in a lot of ways, Ron
and Draco are different size of the same coin.

Speaker 5 (28:25):
I think I think Ron would have been really well
in Slytherin personally.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
I could say that, See I don't think that.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Because you but I know you don't view him objectively.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
I think, wow, look, admittedly, neither do I love I
will defend him till my dying day.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I will I do I love him. You know, looking at.

Speaker 15 (28:54):
That, Wow, don't look at it objectively as Oliver one,
we know, I mean you look at him like an
object nice two for two.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Did not come here to get roasted.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
That would be so fun, What a fun way to
end up. We should we should talk about roasting each other.
We should do a roast of each other. That would
be incredible. That would be so fun.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Anyway, I feel like I feel like I'm really set
up well for this. All right, cool? Can I do? Uh? Okay,
get one?

Speaker 9 (29:38):
No?

Speaker 5 (29:38):
No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
See.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
The way that it works is that you you all,
we all roast each other lovingly.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Have you not seen the roast of Michael Scott?

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:48):
And your thing is so small anyway, anyway, that's what
would be saying to Ron.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
Sorry, we're going on so many directions right now, Okay,
But that that's why that threable with Krumb, Hermione and
Ron doesn't work because Hermione and Ron are way too jealous.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
They can't handle it.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it really depends on who the
third deal is. But Crum, I mean Crum, I mean
maybe it's Hermione. But again that's another podcast. No, that's
another podcast. Okay to bring we were talking about the
the dorm strained kids sitting at the Slytherin.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
Do you do you all think that Cockerov like pushed
them to set at the Slytherin table because it kind
of seems that way, and like it seems like it
makes sense, but but when you take a step back,
it really doesn't because Cockerov, like he sold out a
lot of these kids' parents during his interrogation at the

(30:54):
ministry and then he's like, here dormstran kids go set
with these people that I tried to get their parents
to go to jail to save my nick.

Speaker 10 (31:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
I have a lot of questions about how carker Off
is here at all after everything he did, and that's
a good one, but also like how was he even
allowed back in the country, Like they must have had
to make some special deals with him to make this happen,
because I'm just like, why would he.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Willingly get you see how big my eyes are right now?
What parallels could you draw to the modern world in
what you are talking about? Money? Corruption, Okay, all of
those things are why he's allowed back. People, but he's
so much.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Of a coward, Like, why would he want to come back?
I guess is more of the things not necessarily why
he's allowed, But why would he want to? Like and
I mean, I guess it could be that they'd have
to really have sweetened the pot for him, right.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
He doesn't see himself as a coward. He's a hero, yeah,
but he's he's.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
A complete coward and he's not going to come back necessarily.
I mean, the second the dark mark burns, he takes
off right.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Well, but see that's that's some of the reasons why
he came back though, Right, it's been thirteen years, and
I think I think that one of the reasons he
comes back is like it's almost it's almost like whitewashing, right,
Like you're trying to clear your name by like being
a part of this thing that's going on that is
that is popular, and like I'm in the middle of

(32:21):
this thing. It's been thirteen years. You all don't remember
that stuff from like a long time ago, right, Like
we're all cool, right, We're good.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah. I guess he could be like, look, this is
my image now I'm the head master.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
Of I I've reinvented myself or whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, I mean he didn't go to Hogwarts as far
as I'm aware, So yeah, I guess because he was
a death eater and he was tried in the UK. Yeah,
so yeah, I mean where else would they have sat?
I guess is the question when you are the head
master of a school for the dark arts. Though it's
not supposed to be not supposed to be honest, there

(32:57):
are a lot of those.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Speaking of speaking these different schools, I always find this
this bit interesting where we really kind of see the
differences between them. The dorm String School obviously, the germ
String School, Wow, hello, derm Strength seems to just be
a much more uster, austere place, right. The students are
really impressed by Hogwarts school tableware. Right, They're like, oh,

(33:20):
it's so warm in here, we can take our furs off,
you know. And then there's Bobatons, which is they are
not so much, which I've always personally taken as a
slight dig at that very historical like French versus British.

(33:41):
You know that the French are very snooty and stuck up.
But I'm interested in what it's maybe kind of saying
about dormstreng and Eastern Europe to have them be reacting
this way.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
It's just all stereotypes. But yeah, I mean yeah, but
that's used a lot in in these books, and we
have talked about that. I mean, you know, like we've
talked about like the Dursleys and all of that. It's
just stereotypes, you know. It's the Eastern European toughness like
bra bra you know, and then the the the flouncy,

(34:16):
the flouncy like uh what what what's a word? What's
a word? You know, like frivolous, like frivolous and and
yeah maybe thin and not not thin like person but
like thin personality like French. But it is totally on

(34:38):
the definitely a nod to the French British dislike. I mean,
the author puts that in there so many times. If
you remember, on the old episodes, we used to be like,
really sorry if we are offending the frenchlessness all the time,
because I forgot about that, because there is a lot
of that.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Las An went to France, I was like, whenever anybody
would like ask where I'm from, I'd be like Australia
because I feel like I was like, that goes down
a lot better than England and it's okay.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I remember I said to one lady.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
She was like, you know, where are you from? And
I was like trying to talk to her and broken
French and I said, oh, yeah, I'm from Australia and
her eyes went huge and she was like, Ostoga, LEI
so far and I was like yep, And it was
just the sweetest reaction ever. But I'm like, yeah, I

(35:35):
would not be quick to be like I'm from England.

Speaker 7 (35:39):
No.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
I mean I tried to hide as much as I
could thought I was American, but I was embarrassed and
it still didn't get very far. So they don't like
as much either, I mean, even even that there's little
things even like they kind of make fun of the
fact that, like the Bobbatan students, they all stand when
Madame Maxine enters and they don't sit down until she does,

(36:03):
you know, and they're like, what are they doing?

Speaker 4 (36:07):
That's such like yeah, it's high school thing, Like I
can definitely see that going down, like them all taking
the mickey out of the Bobotson students for having like
basic respect for their teachers. Just completely unsurprising to me
that that's their reaction.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
A bunch of well, the Hogwarts, to be fair, the
Hogwarts students are sitting there being like, we don't know
where anyone's leaving. We don't know when our professors are
going to get kicked out or get removed.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
They've also been in school for two months at this point,
so they're like, what's the deal here, Like, why are
we being formal? Nobody cares anymore. We're all mad about
our last grades. Still, speaking of headmasters, Parkaroff is really
terrible to most of his students, which it's like, it's gross.

Speaker 5 (36:56):
Yeah, I mean, he definitely has a favorite, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
I think that it's really interesting that any other derm
Strang student was allowed to put their name into the goblet.
Like just the way that Karkarov talks about the students,
I can imagine that he just has this delegation of
students that are coming as a part of this, you know,
as a part of the tournament to watch Crumb and

(37:24):
that's all like I know that we we don't know
this because we don't know enough of the other students,
but like what happens if Crumb's name doesn't come out
of the of the goblet. Yeah, it just it just
seems like it's set up for that, and they's expected
and Karkarov is essentially ensuring that that that kind of happens,

(37:44):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
But yeah, I mean, there obviously was some sort of
like selection process at the schools, right, because they only
brought like about ten each maybe.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yes, it's.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yeah, and there's about twenty of them total from the
other two school So they obviously had some sort of
process at their schools to narrow things down. And if
Karkraft rigged that, I one hundred percent would not be surprised.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Yeah, but rigged it how Like, Like the only way
to rig it like that is to, like you have
to make sure that the other students that you're bringing
are not even close to Crumb's status I guess, or
like it or magical prowess, all the things that Dumbledore
says later, magical prowess, all these things. The only way
to rig it and still allow other people to enter

(38:32):
is to make sure that you're letting the poorer students, in.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Which it would depend on how they selected them, right,
Like did they do something magical like the Goblet of
Fire or did they just like hand select like he
wants to volunteer and from there there's like an application
or something, right, I don't know, and they read their
essays and picked.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah. I've always I don't think that this is logical
because of the number of students that we see, but like,
I think that it would have been really cool to
have brought any seventeen year old student in those schools
and essentially do like a study abroad for that year. Yeah,
in allboards, for that entire class. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Well, it's funny that you mentioned that because we've we've
sort of skipped around a little bit, but i've we
were talking about where the students are sitting, and I
really thought about it this time, like what does it
say about Bobaton. What does it say about the students
or the school itself that Bobaton picked raven Claw to

(39:36):
sit with and Dermstrain picked Slytherin to sit with and
we have a throwback comment from Madame Lestrange. I thought
it was a very interesting It was a very interesting,
very interesting comment, which is why I pulled it. It
says in this episode's the original episode episode was that
thirty four fifty four twelve four hundred and four episodes ago,
whatever that was fifty four, It says y'all were talking

(39:58):
about the decision of Bobaiton to sit with raven Claw,
Dirmstrang to sit with Slytherin. I think this was a
plot device so that when the champions are chosen, it
becomes as if there was one champion from every house Gryffindor,
Harry Hufflepuff, Cedric Slytherin, crumb slash dirm String, and Ravenclaw
floor slash Bobaton, which is super interesting to me. That

(40:23):
was a really really cool point.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
I mean it the only thing I really got to say.
We know that the Derms train students wear like blood
red robes. If they were green, the symmetry of all
this would have been really great.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
It'd be too much. Yeah, yeah, I was like, I
did wonder if Bobaton picked raven Claw because the raven
Claws are wearing blue, so maybe they were like, well,
then that's our place. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (40:50):
I've kind of I'm sorry for raven Claus here, but
like I kind of think that bo Baton picked raven
Claw because Raven Claus do have like this aura around
them of like superiority that comes with intelligence, and I
think that the baton feels that way. Not in French.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
That sounds like a French stereotype. My friend, let's apologize
to the French listeners.

Speaker 5 (41:16):
French listeners, I'm sorry that you are stereotypically I don't know, snobby.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
There is the French stereotype of them being like and
I'm a philosopher, you know, like at.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Least I didn't do an accident, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Sorry, I was drawing of Actually I think I was
pulling that off of John Oliver's whatever he talks about,
and he does like it's like fake smoking in a cafe.
That's where that was coming from. I mean, yeah, because

(41:54):
there is that, right, the like intellectualism, philosophy.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
And they're blue.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
What's his face? I can't think.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Yeah, actually on that because when you mentioned about when
we were talking about them sitting with RAMINICRPS, I thought
that too, Like I I was thinking, I wonder if
it's like an intelligence thing. But they've hardly spent any
time at home lots at this point, so I'm like
they wouldn't necessarily know, I mean.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Would they know the whole house.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
They might like, do they know.

Speaker 16 (42:29):
That the Roman Corps students are the quote unquote intelligent once?
I don't know have they spent enough time with them
to deduce that, because I'm start like, I don't know.
I feel like they've probably just sat.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
With them out of pure chance, like and then it
ended up being a happy coincidence that they all got on.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
I don't think it was like a calculating move.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
But I mean in the book, when it comes down
to is it's so that Darmstreng doesn't sit next to.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Ron, we have this like yeah, well they would have
had to do something sort of research about the schools
to know that. So that's that's a good point which
they may have done. I mean, they are about That's
what I was gonna say, I fear about a tournament.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
I feel like there may have been there may have been.

Speaker 5 (43:12):
Some like like her.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Well yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
No, no, no, I mean but I mean that there
are there are there are research materials available. If there's
a book available on these other schools, and like if
these students know, hey, we're going to Hogwarts, let's let's
read something about Hogwarts.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Especially if they're like they're going to be our competition, right,
we should know the sorts of things they're learning, We
should know their cultural things because we know specifically to
that Maxine and Kharkoff are like gung ho to beat
Hogwarts in any way, shape or form possible, right, Like
they they just want a best Dumbledore more than anything,
And so I can definitely see them being like, all right,

(43:55):
we're having like a crash course, study course if you're
going on this trip with us, so that we can
figure out so we can go in their best foot
forward and take them on as quickly as possible.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Well, and that made me think about who is headmastering.
I'm just making up that word the schools. While Carcrof
and Madam Maxim are away for basically the entire school year,
is there a deputy whatever whatever? There there has to be, right.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
There's gotta be like a McGonagall equivalent teacher.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Yeah, even if.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
It's not like a deputy deputy or like a yeah,
I feel like there's got to be at least another
teacher that would kind of slip into I don't know
about you, but if I was like a dorm strang
and Carcroff was gone for the year, I'd be like.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Yes, yeah, right, yeah, but I mean Dumbledore doesn't have
much to do with the actual education of the students though,
I mean, like I mean, I know, like Admin's are
gonna add man, you know, but like I want I
want everyone to I want everyone to imagine this. If
Dumbledore walked away and there was nothing trying to kill

(45:07):
the students of Hogwarts, does the education change with him
not in the building?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
I mean day to day, probably not necessarily to some extent, right,
like Admin, Yes, Admin is technically important, but like honestly,
he does go.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Away a lot during half time too much.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
So yeah, yeah, I mean, and that went really well,
right once again, once again, if no one was trying
to kill the students of Hogwarts, it's probably it's gone
in order for a while.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
But then I guess Umberge technically takes over. But yeah,
Admin looks at bigger stuff and more like stuff that's
connected to the outside more than anything. Yeah, so I'm
sure that, like education is still happening, but it's weird
that they're gone for the whole year. And also my
question has always been, like what about these like twenty

(46:00):
other kids that don't get picked, Like are they still
having classes. Do they go to the Hogwarts classes? Do
they get tutored just by Carcroff or Madame Maxine.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Like I mean the movie Asterisk shows them going to
going to and from classes, like I think there's a
scene where they're carrying.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Duns, but they're never seen in the classes.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Right, you don't see them. But we don't really see
any classes at all in Goblet really.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, I was gonna say they'd be in they'd be
in seventh year classes.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Well, and that's the thing, like in seventh year you're
just doing your specialty subjects.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
So right, yeah, well, at least in the in the
UK schools we don't know if we don't know if
the other schools do wls and any they have.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
I was gonna say, don't they have exams too? At
the end of their schooling you think like, how are
they taking their exams?

Speaker 4 (46:56):
The tri Tournament is just like the most jarring possible
thing that could happen in like your final year of school.
It's like the world to have it, and they're like, no,
it has to be these students at this age that
do it, you know, the ones that are about to
sit all their final leg exams.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
And it's a really important time in their life.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
Yeah, those ones, you know, it does make more sense
to do. Like, Okay, so back whenever we were talking
about professional sports and things like that, like the American
sports have rules like you have to be so many
years past graduation from from high school to be able
to go into the professional leagues, and so in basketball
it's one you have you have to be one year

(47:34):
separated from graduation. Wouldn't it make more sense to have
the Trial Wizard tournament to be with like the most
recent graduating class of that school because there it's like,
this is all of the education that we have provided
this student.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I mean, but it's supposed to be like a school tournament.
Yeah yeah, so I guess they want people that are
still there, that are still.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Like a part of the school.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
All right, educator, I was just trying to I was trying, well.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I don't know, I'm just throwing out theories here me too,
because you're right, it is it is kind of whack,
like why are we doing this right now?

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Well, and it's weird. I was just looking at the dates.
I was pretty sure this was the fact. So we
are on the day before Halloween, so October thirtieth. The
final the third task is on June twenty fourth, and
we know that we know that the Hogwarts school year
always goes towards the end of June because Dumbledore is

(48:33):
he dies slash murdered, slash kale slash. However, you want
to look at it on June thirtieth, So it is
strange that they had, assuming that they also start early September,
they had two months at their own school and they
spend the rest of the year. Why can't they just
go back and forth?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, that's my question. And also here's my other question.
Cedric is a seventh year. He should be taking his
news but all the champions are like exempt from exams,
So like, what is what was he supposed to do
in the future. He's like, I got exempt because I

(49:13):
was in the Trizard. Like you really think somebody's.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Gonna like probably would have taken his newes.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Okay, maybe he pulled a Harmoni went back and did them.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Yeah, I mean he died, he would have.

Speaker 5 (49:27):
Yeah. Maybe maybe they're viewing it like a co op,
Like you're you're spending this year on a study abroad deal,
but to need to finish out your education, you have
to come back, you know, Like, yeah, I had like that,
like that's more college stuff. But like, honestly, in the
Wizarding World, any wt's are kind of viewed like we
would American University and like specializing and stuff like that.

(49:51):
So like, I mean, I remember, you know, having the
opportunity to do like intern co op deals during the
school year. It would have pushed my graduate date out.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
But like, I mean that people do do that, right,
Like there are high school exchange students, and I guess
that's kind of what they're doing. And I think that's
that's part of the point, right Dumbledore says, it's supposed
to it's international magication, right, so so maybe they are

(50:21):
going to I think they are with them because because
then then it would be more like, oh, I studied here.
I saw how they looked at charms. I saw how
they looked at Muggle studies, you know, and that could
be supposedly theoretically helpful. But everybody's two at each other.

Speaker 5 (50:41):
So yeah, the only issue that like really comes up
with that is if there's curriculum issues. Yes, if one
school was not pushing you know, well.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Maybe that was part of the qualification process. For the
kids who ended up coming right, you know, Okay, Well,
everybody is sitting down and they are about to eat,
and sort of, as Alison hinted at Hermione is not
having the best of time. She's not having the best
of time. I put some quotes of these go a
little bit like into the chapter. But the first thing

(51:11):
she says is that like the Bobaton students are sitting
there and they're like like shivering, and Hermidy's like, it's
not that cold. Since her said Hermione defensively, why didn't
they bring cloaks? And then later on she's like, no
one is making you stay. Hermione whispered bristling at her,
which was another Bobaton student. And even later yet like

(51:35):
Ron is like she's a FeelA, and Hermione is like,
of course she isn't. I don't see anyone else gaping
at her like an idiot. And it just made me think,
this time, we've talked a lot about this, and is Hermione,
I'm gonna use this word, and I don't want anybody
to be like we're using the word. It's just the

(51:58):
word I'm gonna use to start the conversation. Is Hermione
a feminist, and I only yeah, yeah, I knew you
would do that. Man, I'm just kidding. Get out, Josh,
and I only only only only only put it that
way because we have talked a lot about the way

(52:19):
that some women in this series are portrayed, like making
making what some might consider a traditional choice, like Molly
being a mother, staying home doing that, versus someone like
Tonks who doesn't do that. So that is really just
the light that I want to shine on this. That's
all so.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
So, I think there's a couple layers here. The first
is I think in this specific case, Hermione's thinking about
a few different things. The first one is I think
it's because they're they're acting very insulting towards Hogwarts, and
Hermione is very protective of Hogwarts, right. Hogwarts to her
in a lot of ways, is a home. It's it's

(53:00):
the source of it's kind of her first really place
in this big wizarding world. And she's not quite to
the extent that Harry's at, right, because she does have
a loving home life with her parents, but it is
her beloved school, right, and she knows so much about Hogwarts.
She has studied so much about Hogwarts. She loves Hogwarts,

(53:22):
and so to have these other students come in here
and act like they're too good for Hogwarts or Hogwarts
isn't good enough for them. She's definitely defensive about that.
For the Vila thing, that one, I think it's just
Ron being an idiot, and it's definitely her mindy just
being a little jealous fourteen year old girl as she is,

(53:43):
because this is kind of the same reaction she has
after they get into their argument after the mule ball right,
where she's like, well, just because other people have noticed
them a girl, Ron, why haven't you noticed of a
girl yet? Right? And so there is that you brought
up though the feminism part which made me think of
I just read a really fascinating book that it's called

(54:07):
Girl on Girl How Pop Culture Turned a Generation of women.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I saw that, and I was like, I really want
to read that.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
You should really read it because it's fascinating and it
really talks about pop culture from the nineties and the
two thousands and even a little bit kind of bleeding
into the twenty tens, and how for a lot of
the nineties, after the seventies and eighties, where it was
really kind of a lot about like women's empowerment in

(54:33):
pop culture, in music and those kinds of things. There
was this shift towards well, it's almost and I'm going
to kind of butcher the argument here and go all
over the place, but the kind of change was it's
easier to control teenage girls more, and so people pulling

(54:54):
strings in pop culture kind of started doing that and
basically setting girls and women kind of up against each
other because there was this pervasive idea that the thing
that women had to sell and therefore of themselves and
then therefore to sell other things through was their sexuality.

(55:16):
And so you get a lot of that in the
nineties and the early two thousands, of like girls on
Girls basically like hating each other and all these cat
fights and stuff, and so, I mean, these books were
written in the nineties and the early two thousands, and
so we're getting we get some of that because that
was the thing, right, Like, if you were a cool girl,

(55:37):
you were supposed to be not like other girls, right,
and so you weren't supposed to be girly.

Speaker 10 (55:43):
And so.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
That's kind of in the tradition that Hermione's in right,
being written is the not like other girls, right, she
doesn't really necessarily get along with the other Gryffindor girls
all the time. The one she gets along with the
most is Jinny, who's also so very kind of tom boyish, right,
And so you get that angle in there, And I

(56:08):
think if these were written now more, there'd be a
little bit less of that because that there's been a
cultural shift away from that and there's been a lot
of calling out of how damaging that was and is. Yeah,
that book was fascinating, Like, definitely recommend that book, especially

(56:30):
if you like grew up around that time, because it
talks about some truly crazy stuff. Yeah. So anyway, that's
where I'm coming down at is I think Hermione is
that like nineties early two thousands kind of feminist that
is not necessarily how we would think of it or
want to think of it now, or how it should

(56:51):
be ideally.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
I think you just like perfectly articulated it because in
my head, I think Hermione now kind of stands out
as a feminist icon, like, at least for me growing
up on these books and films, seeing Hermione portrayed the
way that she was and reading her character in the

(57:15):
books kind of gave me permission to I don't want
to say, like be bossy.

Speaker 12 (57:22):
But like, you know, nough to BOSSI to be complex,
to be complicated, to be smart, you know, to be
all of those things.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Because I think I resonated so much with her character
because I saw myself in her and I wasn't really
represented in other areas. Yeah that being yeah, I feel
like now reading them, Hermione doesn't strike me so much
a feminist herself because of the reasons you just highlighted.

(57:58):
I think she does better from feminism though, Like she
has that space to yeah, be complicated, be bossy, be smart,
be you know, everyone in her world just kind of
accepts her. You know, that's just Hermione, you know, like, yeah,
she's she is what she is. So I think, especially

(58:21):
in today's context, she would benefit from it. And I think,
if you're right, I think if they were written now,
she'd probably be a bit more outspoken. But I think she,
like everybody else, suffers from that. Get also on girls
thing is so pervasive, it's so.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Fascinating to that because I also, I mean I've talked,
I talked about this all the time in the show,
But I one hundred percent identified with Hermione, right, I mean,
the bushy, curly brown hair, the book teeth, the bossiness
was always and I think though it's also worth mentioning too,
that she's fourteen, right, She is very young, She's still

(58:58):
very much learning. And I think a lot of us
at fourteen, especially at that time, I mean, could we
call ourselves feminist? Did we even really know? You know,
to some degree a lot of us what that meant
and what that looked like and what it should look
like versus just the typical like I don't like this
girl because the boy I like likes her or something,

(59:20):
you know, because that's just teenage.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
And sometimes you don't even know why somebody rubs you
the wrong way either. They yeah, they just yeah. But
you know, I mean here, I think it's all of
those things because Hermione is bristling at basically every girl
in that school. And let's let's remind our listeners here
that the schools, as far as we know, Bobaiton is

(59:42):
co ed. We don't see any girls at derm String,
but Bobaiton is coed. There are boys and girls. Yeah, yeah,
but Hermione does really only seem to be bristling at
the ladies. Well maybe not. Maybe the it's not that cold,
why didn't they bring cloaks? Maybe that is a co
ed conmental, But the rest of them are clearly, you know,

(01:00:03):
gender specific to a baton lady.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
But you know, I feel like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
If she's I feel like some of these comments are
just her picking up on the general vibe, like trying
to protect Hogwarts, like you said before, by any means necessary.
So I feel like she's picking up on a snarky vibe.
So she's like trying to cut ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
And why didn't they just bring up I.

Speaker 5 (01:00:26):
Think that's it. I don't. I don't think I don't
even I don't think this is a feminist argument. I
think that this is a protection of Hogwarts argument because
all these things are like, I mean, okay, sorry, it's
too cold, like you could wear a cloak, and like
all these things, and like she's mad at She's not
mad at the girl for being pretty. She's mad at
Ron for being an idiot, right, so, like, and that's

(01:00:49):
disrespect I think she's viewing that as disrespectful of Ron.
One to be aggling someone and two to be aggling
someone in front of her well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
And also Ron specifically said they don't make them well,
and I think that's like, use me.

Speaker 5 (01:01:09):
I mean, Harry Harry says they make them okay at Hogwarts.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
She does he's thinking about shows.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
So I love that it's just okay, they make them okay.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
I just it's also I think it's important to point
out that specifically the girl she specifically gets mad at
is Flaora, because it's Floor in all these cases, he's
making these comments and Hermiond.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
Is like, yeah, well, and you know well, and then
we also don't want to discount that some of Hermione's
like bristling at these people could just be because they're French,
and oh absolutely, you know, I mean she was, She's
been taught for fourteen years to dislike the French.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I don't disagree. Yeah, I mean it could also be
all of it a little bit of a setup to
when we meet Floor later, setting her up as I
mean she is in a lot of ways. Even if
you just look at the physicality of the two characters,
they're opposites. Of course, Flora is set up to look

(01:02:15):
like throughout this book, she's like in the last place,
she's the dumb champion. She can't even finish a task.
It's like it's really bad. And I think for me,
that's why I wanted to sort of bring up is
this is. I mean, I think there is some I
think looking at it through the feminist lens, like Allison
was just talking about, is really interesting, especially as you said,

(01:02:38):
this girl is floor and look at the way she's
portrayed in the rest of the book, and we're sort
of already set up to dislike her because Hermione is
talking crab about her before she even knows her. And
it's like everything Alison said about the girl on girl
thing is Yeah, it's so spot on.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
I think, like you were saying before, if it was
set now, be a lot more championing, championing flour all round.
Like it wouldn't just be oh, she got picked with
It'd be oh, there's a there's a woman that's picked.
You know, let's just rally behind her because she's a
woman doing this huge thing, rather than having that snaky

(01:03:17):
sort of undertone that they have.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah, I think there's also something to be said if
we're looking at this from a feminist lens too, for
letting Hermione be complicated like this, right, because I think
that was also kind of a problem in past decades,
and you know, in past cultural moments of like that

(01:03:39):
expectation of always being perfect for female characters. And so
I think it is kind of refreshing to let Hermione
be complex and messy and have these bad sides to her,
you know, because that is so I mean, it's relatable, right,
It's relatable and it's real, and it's not putting that

(01:04:01):
expectation of her always having to be perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
Yeah, I mean, Alison, how many times have you put
a person in a jar? I'm just saying, I'm you
know all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
You weren't supposed to tell all the time, right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Well, and it's funny. It's funny too that even even Harry,
so you know, they they have that exchange about like
being a villa and they they don't make them like
this at hogh that that life is so gross. But
Harry is even like well they do like dirm strength
does look a lot happier than the Bobaton law. So
maybe they are just sort of a miserable like group

(01:04:36):
of people. I mean that could also just be the case.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Well, and they seem to have expectations of like this
is gonna sound so weird. Sometimes when I think about Bobaton,
like the school itself, like the actual campus, I'm like,
do they go to school in like versa? I basically
like this off like crazy, you know, I mean because
they talk like Floyd talks about later of how like

(01:05:00):
at Christmas at Bobaton, like there's unmultiple ice statues everywhere
and all of these fancy things. And then you get
a kind of more typical English fortressy castle for Hogwarts.
And then you probably have an even more like austere.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
You know, very Eastern Europeans for.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Dirm string, right, yeah, like very kind of like function
over anything else. And so yeah, I'm sure that the Bobotan,
the Bobotane what the Bobaton's lot are coming in and
they're like, ill, this is where you go to the school.

Speaker 5 (01:05:39):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Yeah, I feel like I'm not above having the same
kind of reaction if I had a school like Bobatons, like,
oh yes, I feel like Hogwarts would, do you know what,
I'm amiss to say this, but like, oh am I
gonna eat my words if.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
I say this.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
But like Huggles would kind of feel maybe like a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Of a downright, I would be cold twenty four to
seven if I went to school at Hogwarts, like legit, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
It's like yeah, it's told like we're told that it's drafty,
you know, I mean, yeah, it's a castle.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
And especially if you're used to the more French style
of of castles, which was very opulent, gold leaf, lighter colors,
you know, richer fabrics, all of these things, and then
you come to a very like Graystone castle, you know
that's a little darker. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
And where is Bobatan in France? Because is it in
the south? I don't know, the south of France gets
really effing hot, Like yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:47):
It's like, I mean that's where that's where Haggard tells
Dolores that he went in uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Right amount of maxim that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
Yeah, so it would make it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
I guess that's a good school. What does the lexicon say,
because he does say it's around her school?

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
Well, but I think that he's using that like he
had to go get her anyway, like she was going
to go with him.

Speaker 10 (01:07:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:08):
I think that that would have been a good cover
of like, hey, I'm going to go visit Maxine in
her place, and then because he then he doesn't have
to lie, where did you go south of France? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
So according to potter More, it's located in the Pyrenees Mountains,
with French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Luxembourgian and Belgian students being
some of the most common nationalities. A beautiful chateau surrounded
by formal landscape gardens. So yeah, this is definitely a
different field.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Yes, it is a different vibe to Hogwells.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
So they've all got like pretty similar backgrounds. It sounds
like Boboton has more of a cultural mix cross country
mix at least.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Yeah, and again if they're in like a fancy chateau
in the mountains, very.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Different vibe, a very different vibe.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Yeah, it's very different vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Okay, so we'll just all cut them some slack and
say that Hermione is just being hermione and yeah, and
because Harry points it out too, So maybe they're just
all cold and miserable, Yeah, because it was well eighty
degrees when they left home and now they're.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Yeah, and now it's October in Scotland, which just sounds miserable.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
So anyway, they they all they're all sitting and Dumbledore
gives his greeting to everybody just before they start eating.
And I think it's fabulous, because of course it is.
It's Dumbledore.

Speaker 6 (01:08:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
I do find it so fascinating though, that Dumbledore specifically
calls out and greets the ghosts, because I don't think
he does that at any other time. And so I
was like, wait, did, like, did the other schools bring
their own ghosts or is he like being super formal
because of the guests, or is he trying to let
them subtly know, like it's fine, they're ghosts in here,

(01:08:57):
this is normal, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
Actually I don't know. I actually think it's that, Like,
I think that's the very practical way of doing it.
There's also the fact that Dumbledore is a great showman,
almost like Hugh Jackman, where you could like, do you
have the ladies and then gentleman ghosts and guess you know,
you got the you have the alliteration of the g's there,
And I think it may be just be Dumbledore putting

(01:09:22):
on a show for everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
Yeah, I feel like I wonder if it's unusual. I
think if the other schools brought ghosts, they would have
definitely got to mention like they it would have. I
feel like there definitely would have been big enough ghostly
characters coming along that they would have had to have
some kind of plot plot point, would like nearly have
or someone.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
I like, what you just said, is your as the
answer to Peeves in your notes here? Please say that
out loud because that's amazic.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Oh yeah, Like if they brought like if Bobaton brought
along like some kind of pesky pertissier as an answer
to Peeves. I feel like that, Like it's just like
a it's like a what they call poltergeist in like
a stripey top and a beret helps at people. Just

(01:10:11):
you can't go anywhere without getting like a macaron pelted
it you had.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
That sounds amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
I would kind of love that.

Speaker 5 (01:10:17):
Up would be open.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Yeah, throw me a Queen of mart please. I feel like.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
I feel like it'd definitely be more open to the
Boboitons bringing a ghost then dor't strength bringing a ghost? Yeah,
bring an answer to the bloody barren? Yeah, terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Maybe the Bobotons would bring like a like super stereotypical
mime and people would be like, can you just get
out of the way.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
It's like a silent like ghost that doesn't just like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Can you imagine though, Like how annoying that would be
if they just like popped up in front of you.
We're like, Okay, I get it, I gotta go to class.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
Waking up in the middle of the night, and it's
just like standing at the end. Oh my gosh, No,
I'm not saying anything. There's never any context to why
it's there. It's just present all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
I would hate that so much.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
I mean, it would just be another Dobby just watching
Harry sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Yeah, but it wouldn't talk though. That would be even worse.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
Honestly, I feel like the ghost is one of those
things about Hogwarts that actually kind of scares the daylights
out of me. Like everyone in this Harry Potter universe
just kind of accepts that the ghosts are there, and
it's like, oh, nearly headless Nick. But if you think
about that, that is actually terrifying. I don't know that
I would love that if I was a Hogwarts just

(01:11:40):
ghosts floating around and just accepted as the norm.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
I don't know, well, and then they can be invisible.
They can go through walls. I'd be like, do I
have any real privacy ghosts spying on me while I'm
sleeping or other things.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
I mean, there have plenty of other things to do
in the afterlife rather than watch you sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
I mean, I guess that's true. But they're not actually
in the afterlife though, because they didn't move on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Their version of the afterlife. So anyway, the food appears,
the food appears. And I'm only putting this question in
here because Ron, like everybody's reaction to it is ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
The the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
Ron says something gross like ew, what is this? In
her mind is like it's bullia base and he's like,
what what is that?

Speaker 5 (01:12:29):
Bless you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
So for people who don't know, base is a fish
soup that, according to Britannica, originated on the Mediterranean coast
of France, one of the glories of the provincial I
can't speak French cuisine. Recipes for bulliabase are plentiful, but
the Marseille formula formulation is generally acknowledged as being the

(01:12:54):
most authentic. It contains besides fish and selffish, olive oil, onions, tomatoes,
garle like parsley, saffron, fennel, time bay leaf, and orange peel.
I mean, to be fair, I would not eat fish.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
I'm not really a fish person either, but sounds kind
of nice.

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
Like shellfish, and I just googled it because I actually
have never seen like a bowl of booy bass admittedly,
and it looks like it's got you know, shellfish in,
which I don't super love.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
But otherwise oh yeah, okay, I'm not a fan of
this sounds pretty Yeah, I don't like the shells in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
I've seen it with fish hands in it, which is
like grossy oh okay that no, But I mean this
is just another l Yeah, this is just another one
of those like fam you shouldn't be throwing shade because
some of the stuff that the Brits eat is nasty.

Speaker 17 (01:13:46):
I laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
I laughed so hard that Ron is like that's disgusting.
And then he goes for blood pudding and also a
steak and kidney pudding to.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
It, like rot, Yeah, what's up? What's up English? What
you got over here? What you have to say about
bull based versus blood pudding?

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
I mean, I will say I do quite like a
lot of British cuisine, but blood pudding is you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Know, if you ask out of chafts. The Brits don't
actually have a cuisine, so well another podcasts to have some.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Yes, yeah, I feel like they do have some. There
are cultural dishes I have to as.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
A brit defend the beige food. Okay, I I quite
enjoy beige fish and chips slathered in salt and muldvinego.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Yeah, I'm there with you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
But I'm the same. I can't be dealing with like
jelly deals.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Or okay, yeah no.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
I didn't. I didn't like page words going into my ears.

Speaker 4 (01:14:56):
I couldn't. I couldn't do. I'm definitely more of like
a fish and chips put pie type person.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
I do love a nice little like hand pie of
some sort. I'm always down for that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
Pasti's mash.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Yeah yeah, Pasti's old beige like it's just a beggar.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
To mash or anything like, I'm down for it. Potatoes listen, potatoes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
In every four.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Yes, yeah, I'm always there for that. Yeah. I mean,
I know I'm weird that I do quite like quite
a bit of traditional British stuff. I mean, and also
you get really good curry and really good Chinese.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Yeah that's true. I feel like rom.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Is like really interesting, considering like they could have served
something way more. Oh yeah, what do you call it?

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Like, let's put it this way.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
It's not like they served him es cargo, you know,
it's not like he's looking down at snails like, oh,
you're just fish soup.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Yeah. If it was as cargo, I'd be like, you're right, Ron,
you're one hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Percent, which I feel like actually is not that out
of place in the wistening world. I'm surprised you didn't
know that actually, But.

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Like a good a good point of the food here
is that the elves of Hogwarts are making this are
are like how did they come about the recipes to
make this food? Because like we we know, we know that,
like they were asked to do this to make their
guests feel welcome, and like Bobaton doesn't seem like the

(01:16:36):
kind of school that would have elves working for them,
like they could. They probably didn't send a delegation of
elves to uh listen, we understand the French and their
history as well, we get it, but like I don't know,
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
I mean, I'm sure there are cookbooks and things and yeah,
surely there are elves that have gone with people to
France and they've been like, we want you to learn
how to make this special dish.

Speaker 5 (01:17:06):
But I'm thinking I love the well traveled elf, just
like I'll want to go work health.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Hey why not because people did that right, people did
that back in the day. I'm thinking like I'm thinking
like down Ton Abbey style right where they were like,
we enjoyed this dish we had here, We're going to
ask our cook to figure out how this was yeah,
to have them replicate it, you know, or or have
your cook come talk to our cook and show them
how it was made. So definitely I think that probably

(01:17:31):
happened or or they found recipes or you know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
Well, and I was also I was also coming at
it as far as like this is the first time
that the elves have made that dish, but they knew
the trial was retorna what was happening. There could have
been a discussion of hey, we want to be able
to serve this throughout the year, practice this before you know,
Halloween not or.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I'm sure Dumbledore like had that conversation months in advance,
because he seems the time he'd be like, we'd really
like to make our guests from these different places feel
a home. We'd like to bring some cultural dishes, also
English cultural dishes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
He'd be a very organized event planner, find the.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
Best well and you imagine that they're doing it throughout
the year or two. It's not just for this feast.
If they're living at Hogwarts, it's it's happening throughout the year.

Speaker 10 (01:18:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
I feel like for the elves as well, because they
can travel so quickly, like Dobby operating around the place.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, they could.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
They could be anywhere in Europe in like two seconds.
It's like it definitely hallows when he appears at the
top of the stairs. Can you imagine I'll meet you
the south of France in ten seconds? Oh, I just
drink all these various recipes.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
I just need to say. That would be so much
better for the environment than flying like somebody, get on
top of right, like get.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
It would be so much more convenient too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Yes, it would be all of the things. It would
be all of things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
But anyway, now I have a cute like image of
all the elves like going around to get like, oh,
we have to make sure we have produce from the
south that it's so cute because taste of Home and
like we have to go to the patisserie in Paris
to pick up the it's so cute.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
I would tell you one of the episode names I've
always been the most proud of. And I don't know
what episode is, but the the title of the episode
is Downton Elfie, And yes, I have always thought that
one personally anyway, So we are like, I mean, sure,
we're sixteen chapters another book, but we're only a couple
months into the year at Hogwarts. But in this chapter alone,

(01:19:38):
there are several quidditch connections. We've already been to the
Quidditch World Cup, we meet Crumb, we have Bagman. I
It like really jumped out at me this time, exactly
how many quidditch connections there are. Do you think that
that is at all to make up for the fact
that there's no tournament like that we as readers won't
get to quote unquote enjoy if you enjoy quidditch, which

(01:20:01):
is what the quote unquote's for during this book, you know,
because I skip a lot of the quidditch matches. Josh,
plug your ears. I'm sorry, it's fun. I understand only
the ones where it's like just purely quidditch, you know,
because I'm like, I don't need to read six pages
of sports. But yeah, I don't know. I thought it

(01:20:22):
was really interesting that there's so much in this thought
when we don't actually see a quidditch match.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
I've never I've never thought about it, but you might
be right, right, because the author said that she did
not enjoy writing the quidditch scenes, but the fandom very
much loved quidditch right, and loves quidditch, and so maybe
it was to be kind of like, all right, I'll
throw you a bone, right, Like I thought I got
out of this, but I'll throw you a bone. It also,

(01:20:48):
I think is something that's important to Harry and catches
Harry's attention, right, because Harry loves quidditch. So maybe that's
why we have these connections. It's also really the only
big kind of sports event that happens in these books,
and the tournament is kind of a sports event, so
I think it's kind of natural sense or to have

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those connections.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
Yeah, it's it's admin a phase of competition, and the
only other type of competition that we really have is quiddage.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Yeah, well, they bring out the goblet of Fire in
a casket. First off, like, cool, Okay, what do we
think the origin of the goblet itself is, because I
think it's described as looking like it's like from an
old piece of wood or something. Right, it's like a
wooden guy.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
It's like hewn. Yeah, yeah, which is fascinating because I
think we forget sometimes because we get the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
I mean, I understand why they did it. Come on, bro,
like make it a little closer.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
Well yeah, in the Yeah, in the book, it's small,
like it's an actual like cup size. It's not the
big thing because Dumbledore just like casually takes it out
of the casket himself, right like sets it on top.
And it is interesting because this obviously is very reminiscent
of all sorts of different mythological cups. Right, you have

(01:22:09):
the Holy Grail, you have Nestor's cup, you have Ganymede's chalice,
you have the meat of poetry and Norse mythology. I'm
going to totally butcher this because I can't speak Persian,
but the cup of jumpshit from Persian myth. I'm also
gonna butcher this because I can't speak Welch. Well, Welch
the great Sorry, yes, thank you. The Cauldron of Durnwich

(01:22:35):
the Giant, which is very interesting because it's said to
discriminate between cowards and brave men. It would not boil
meat for a coward, but it would boil quickly if
that meat belonged to a brave man, which is basically
what the Goblet of Fire does, right like it it
sorts people out. So there's a lot of like mythological

(01:22:58):
what's the word I'm looking for. Mythology, Yeah, but like
mythological parallel prescience, prescience, prescience to having this this magical
gobblet that does this.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
You know, it's funny that you should mention that because
I was mulling over the fact that the Goblet is
selecting students on Halloween Night and throughout the series, Halloween
Night is one of those nights that marks significant change
for Harry, and I think when you look at the

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history of Halloween and Salin and other things like that,
it's it's a night that marks change and shifting.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
There's a blurring of the veil between this world and next.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
It's like a night on which magical ethereal mystical things
are happening or magical creatures, which is wizards, whatever, warlocks,
they're all kind of the height of their power on
Halloween night. So yeah, the fact that it's tied like
it is very reminiscent of all of these other goblets

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in mythology, and it's specifically selecting students on Halloween night,
I'm fair really interesting. Like I was thinking to myself, like,
what are the implications of it just picking students on
a random Thursday instead of like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
A significant night, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:24:26):
And obviously that's chosen for a reason, But yeah, I
was thinking about that, like why does it have to
be Halloween?

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Why not just like a random Is that I was
gonna say, is that part of the magic? Do you
think it will only do this on Halloween night?

Speaker 5 (01:24:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Is that why they have to start this?

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
I just went back to look and I was really
hoping that, like when Dumbledore took the Gobblet out of
the casket, that he had to do something to it
to like make it like have the blue flamings out
of it. But he taps the casket three times, it
opens and then the Gobblet is taken out and it
says it was it was been totally unremarkable, had it
not been for the dancing blue Flame. So I don't know.

(01:25:08):
I mean it does seem like something that when when
the names all come out of it, does the blue
flame go out, like when all four names red?

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
No, it turns, it turns red?

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
Does Yeah, when when it fits the name out, it
gets red. But when all four names come out, I
think the flame.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Turns, it turns off. Yes, I think the flames.

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
Yeah, hold on, it turns off.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
I mean it kind of does it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:31):
It's explicitly mentioned.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
But so Harry's name comes out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
I think so because then or maybe there's a movie
ism doesn't I mean, I'm remembering wrong. He says something
about how it won't light until the next tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Yeah, okay, hold on, I'm looking.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
It doesn't explicitly mention it, at least at the end
of the chapter leading into the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:25:53):
Yes, no, it does, it does, it says because Carkrofft says,
we'll go through until each school has two champions. But
krkraff it doesn't work like that, said bagman. The gobblet
of fires just gone out. It won't reignite until the
start of the next tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
That's in the next chapter.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
So it does go out.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but when's the next tournament.

Speaker 17 (01:26:13):
I'll like, it's supposed to be every four years or something,
so like for the for the last hundred years that
they we haven't had a tournament.

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
Has it just been coming on every four and then
going out after twenty four hours?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
I get maybe maybe the cast you maybe the casket.
Let's just pretend that there's no air in the casket,
so no flame, no air.

Speaker 5 (01:26:39):
No flame. Yeah, love it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
Well, it is very interesting because it is very time sensitive, right,
they have a strict twenty four hour timeline, and it
seems like it is very precise because it's after the
Halloween feast that Dumbledore says, I estimate it has about
one minute left, So it seems like it's got exactly
twenty four hours from the time it's like taken out
until it chooses the name, which is cool, and then

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it must choose the names and then go out. So
it is very precise on this timeline.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Like, what is the significance of them tapping it then?

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
Or is it because he cast the goblet?

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Yeah right right, yeah, maybe opening the caskets possible.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Maybe maybe that tap tap tap tap was a spell
and it's just something silent that we aren't aware of.
But I love the idea. I love the idea that
it being on the holiday and say say the word
that I would, I would sawn so swin that's right,

(01:27:44):
I always say it wrong. And just the magic of
those couple of days. I love, I love, love love.
I desperately want that to be a thing that that
is part of the Goblet of Fire magic. That's so
cool to me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
I can see this have coming like it originally eating
because he says it looks ancient, right, it originated as
something specifically for that night of like we need to
choose a champion to protect us on this night, and
that's why it specifically is a light and chooses that
name in those twenty four hours before that time. I

(01:28:18):
can definitely see it being something like that. I don't
know why. I also had a flash to the to
the short story The Lottery with this too, because that's
a different story, very different, very different circumstances, but it
feels like a similar thing. You know of like everybody's

(01:28:39):
names get put in and now maybe in ancient times
when you know that veil between the worlds is thin
and we need to have a champion to protect us,
and and who's gonna be put in this dangerous situation
and be decided on to be the person who's gonna
protect us on this dangerous night. Yeah, here they are
by this magical meaning. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
We have our own folklore at this point. Let's be real.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Somebody write me that fanfic.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Yeah, so does body Crouch Junior use it to his
advantage that this is all taking place on? How are
we not would the Goblet of fly it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
I mean, if the magic is intertwined and the veils
are thin, I don't see how not. And and I
had a very similar question, is is Bardiekrouch Junior really
that accomplished of a wizard? Or is the goblet not
as hard to manipulate as we previously thought? And if

(01:29:39):
we think about that in relation to Amber's question about
how Bardi Crouch Junior could have used the magic of
the Night and the Goblet together, I think that's I
think that's very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
Well, because it also could come down to just who
Harry is, and especially if it's supposed to be like
this champion, this person who is supposed to be extraordinary
in some way, and if the theory is right that
it's supposed to be like a protector. On this night,
Harry's kind of proved that right, Like Harry has a prophecy.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Yeah, but he manipulated it so much that he turned
the Triwizard tournament into a quad wizard tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Quad Wizard. I don't know why. That's not so funny, Yeah,
but I wonder if there were times where it was
more than just I.

Speaker 2 (01:30:29):
Mean, then why would it be called a triwizard tournament.

Speaker 5 (01:30:31):
I don't know, because maybe it's some point well, but
at some point it could have just gotten repurpose too.
So like if you go with you all right, if
we go completely out of these books and we go
with the folklore that we are building here, and it
is a protector for this not then the schools don't
matter because we also know that the age is a

(01:30:51):
ministry regulation, yes, not a goblet regulation. So any name
can go in there, and you know it. Essentially, it
doesn't matter how many names you go in. If it
was used for something else, it could have just been
repurposed for a competition, and then you regulate whose names
go in, and then that's who competes. Because if Dumbledore

(01:31:14):
puts his name in the goblet, his name is gonna
come out.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Right, That's true. They are playing by the honor system.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
In a lot of ways. Yeah, as far as yeah,
as far as the age restriction that is, I mean
that is one hundred percent honor system. There's no there's
nothing to stop well, and the line, well yeah yeah,
but the line can be fooled. Like the lines that
they have to be fooled. It just makes sure that
someone underage can't cross it, but it doesn't stop someone

(01:31:44):
over age taking your name across the line. That's where
the honor system comes in, is like, don't ask your
older students to do it. And it's also it also
goes back on like an older student probably wouldn't do
it because they wouldn't want that extra competition in the
tournament against them if they were gonna do it. So
it goes, it goes far, it goes even farther, like

(01:32:06):
into the story here where Harry's name comes out, and
then like one of the first questions he's asked is
did you ask an older student to put your name?

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Well, so, then what you're saying is answering My question
is is the goblet not as hard to manipulate as
we thought, And the answer really is no.

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
Well, the Goblet doesn't have to be manipulated for the age.
That's what I'm like, I'm saying that the age has
nothing to do with the Goblet. That is one hundred
percent just the ministry and the and the rules of
the of the governments and the schools making that rule
at the like what as far, the only thing that
the Goblet got manipulated on was that, hey, there's four schools.

(01:32:43):
Now you're gonna pick four schools, and Harry's name has
to come out because he was put in as the
fourth school. It's the same thing I was talking about,
like Dermstrang. If they wanted Crumb to do it, he
should have been the only name from Dermstrang put in.
And that's like, that's what we don't know is how
how did we manipulate it to force it to think

(01:33:03):
that there was a fourth school. That's the only manipulation
and that's the only dark arts that's happening here. Because
as long as the Goblet thinks that there's a fourth school,
and there's only one name from that fourth school and
it's Harry, so his name was going to come out
no matter what, as long as that piece of manipulation works.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Yes, agreed for sure. Okay, but does the magic of
the holiday allow Bardi Crouch to more easily do that?
Like if we are assuming that the goblet is tied
to that, well we.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
Have to we also have to assume that when the
author wrote this, she was writing it that made Halloween
an extra magical night. There's no question that Halloween is
a special night in the in the society that we
live in in these books, but we are given no
indication that Halloween is a is an extraordinary magical night.

(01:34:00):
That is all based on what we in the Mogile world,
you know, believe or don't believe that like essentially.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
The mythology of it all.

Speaker 5 (01:34:09):
Yeah, right, but but the it as far as canon
is concerned, there's nothing special about Halloween other than it's
essentially a holiday.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
If you're already living in a magical world in the
Wizarding World, how much more magical can it get? Really?

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
I mean, I still think there's something about like the
idea of like veils between worlds that's at the time
there definitely seems to be like it's a very charged
night for them regardless. Yeah, because like there's there's a
reason why Baltimore went to kill Lily and James that night, right,
Like there's a reason.

Speaker 5 (01:34:47):
Why I agree that Halloween is they ay day that
is set apart from normal days in this world. I
just I want, I want there to be something said
in the books that says, this is why Halloween is
set apart it. Halloween is only set apart in the
books because when when when when she wrote Philosopher Stone,

(01:35:12):
she was writing about widges and wizards for an audience,
and Halloween's a spooky night, and that just so happened
to be the knight that Lord moorek killed Harry or
trying to kill Harry. Yeah, and then just keep getting
build upon and build upon, build upon.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
I'm looking for where Crouch Junior says.

Speaker 5 (01:35:30):
What he did there would have been a barrister's serum cup.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah, I'm looking, and I'm trying to find the exact so.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
In terms of like hoodwinking the cup, and you know,
there's these constant I think, I don't know if this
is a direct quote from the book because I'm rereading,
but at least in a film, you know, body Crouch
Junior as Moody says, only an exceptional powerful, only an
exceptionally powerful duck, wizard, magic whatever, could have hardwinked the cup.

(01:36:01):
But I'm wondering if he's just saying that, you know,
if he's just calling.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
Everyone's bluff, stroking his own ego.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Because I feel like the Dark Hearts themselves don't necessarily
have to be complicated, like we see throughout the books
that with the unforgivables, at least you just have to
mean them. And I feel like if you're a willing participant,
willing and able to learn, and someone's willing to teach you,
that it doesn't necessarily have to be a big complicated procedure,

(01:36:34):
a bit complicated art for And so, yeah, that kind
of ties back to what you were saying about how
easily can you theoretically houldwink the cup? You know, is
it more vulnerable than we originally thought? And to be honest,
based on the book's description, I would say yes, given that, Yeah,

(01:36:56):
I feel like in the movie it's more of a
big spectacle that seems a bit hard at a hoodwink,
But in the book, if it's just this vulnerable wooden chalice,
I feel like you wouldn't necessarily have to be an expert.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
In the dark arts too.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
No, and for every reason that Josh said, like all
he did to hoodwink the cup is put a name
in there with a fourth school. So maybe they call
it the try Wizard Tournament. But maybe the Goblet would
just keep spinning out if there were fifty schools? Would
it spit out fifty names?

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
Yeah? I really yeah, but you know, I guess yeah,
there's gonna be something in like the programming of the
Goblet of like this is how many schools there are,
because I wish that the way around that, like it
would be if if Dumbledore told the students put your
name and your school on the parchment, and that's the indicator,

(01:37:56):
you know what I mean, because then you can't easily
get by it because you put Harry and you put
Salem's which academy or whatever it was? Sorry, I've really
it would have been really great if I were to
remember that. But but we know that doesn't happen because
it's just named right, and it's I don't know, I like,
I do think that there is some dark like there

(01:38:17):
has to be some dark magic being done to tell
it now there's a fourth school, but what is that
isn't easy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
I'm gonna throw I'm gonna throw a wrench in here
because maybe I just haven't found it. But I cannot
find a place where anybody says Harry's name is under
a fourth school.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Hang on, I'm gonna search my book because I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Looked at when Crouch tells his whole story. I looked
at when Voltemore tells the story. And also I feel
like Dumbledore would have mentioned how weird it was that
there was a different school written on the paper. So
I think, unless I'm missing.

Speaker 5 (01:38:54):
It, well, so Barti Crouss Junior actually says it, but
he says it as moody. But and he's talking at
he's talking, it's not embarrassing. Um, it's in the It's
in the It's in the Four Champions, It's in the
very So I just I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Just searched my PDF for the word fourth and it
does not.

Speaker 5 (01:39:12):
Yeah, it's in I searched it's it's in the next book.
It's in the next chapter. So move like they're talking
about how I don't know eleven eleven eighty.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
What the book's not that long? Pdf?

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
Yes it is. I don't like the page numbers are
not on my PF.

Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
Can you can you just read it to us?

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Then? Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
Uh so, so everyone's sitting around they're talking about Harry
being in Oh no, I.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Got it, I got it. Sorry, it is to see
them who puts your name in the gobble to Fire
under the name of a different school.

Speaker 5 (01:39:50):
I got it. Sorry. So in the next chapter here, okay,
so Allison, so that we we know that he eventually
confesses to it. I I do think that it is
interesting in like villainy way here with Death Eaters, is
that in the next chapter he's described he's disguised as
Moody and he's he he he tells the plan, he

(01:40:11):
tells the plan out in the open here as Moody,
and that you know he he he says, because they
hoodwinked a very powerful magical object. And we know that
Barney Cross Junior wants credit for what he's doing. He
thinks he knows that he is he is extraordinary. He
wants the credit for it, and so he's he's confessing
to it disguised. Uh it would have been. It would

(01:40:32):
have needed an absolutely strong confundus charm to bamboozle that
Goblet into forgetting that only three schools compete in the tournament.
I'm guessing. I'm guessing they submitted father's name under a
fourth school to make sure. I mean, that's his. He's
confessing because he knows that he can get away with it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
It also is very smart for him to be like,
this is the plan out in the open, but like.

Speaker 5 (01:40:54):
Listen, that's what that goblet. I love Goblet because of
this kind of stuff, because the mystery is in front
of you the entire time, and then you have to
get the chapter thirty five a be to sear them
to go, oh, they told us everything, It's great. Thanks,
we knew it in the first chapter.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
So the answer maybe to all the questions is yes,
maybe the Goblet is easier to manipulate, but also no,
it's probably not harder because if you need a powerful
confundish charm, how do you confund an object that isn't sentient?

Speaker 5 (01:41:27):
I don't know, into forgetting that it only chooses to question.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
And how is it related to Halloween?

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
I think these are all questions to leave for our
listeners because I feel like we've talked around it in circles. Yeah,
thirty times here. But since we sort of touched on
this a little bit, I want to point out, and
this is a little silly, and you're not gonna be
like what, but it specifically says the placing of your
name in the goblet constitutes a binding magical contract. And

(01:41:59):
to me that read loophole, like as a lawyer, Like,
I'm not a lawyer, but if I were a lawyer,
I'd read that and I would say, well, it says
the placing of your name. So if Harrydan put his
name in the goblet, why does he have to participate?

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
Because according to the official rules, according to Crouch in
the next chapter, we must follow the rules, and the
rules state clearly that those people whose names come out
of the Goblet of Fire are boundary.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
But if it says that the placing of your name
and the goblet constitutes a binding magical contract, those that's
what those statements are contradictory to each other.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
I think Dumbledore says that because when he's saying that,
he's trying to impress on them that this is a
serious thing. But the rules are just what names.

Speaker 5 (01:42:42):
Come out of the god, and in this case, the
word the is doing a lot of heavy lifting here,
because Dumbledore. If what you're saying can't is the case,
Dumbledore should have said. Placing your name in the cup
toute say bonding magical contract. That is that is me

(01:43:03):
taking my name and putting it in the placing of
your name. Is anyone takes your name and puts it in.
Oh yeah, it's the act of your name being placed,
not you placing your name.

Speaker 2 (01:43:14):
Oh no, you're right, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Yes, English classes, I guess we do everyone technical writing. Three, Bob,
we're English.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
They your local English seer is here to tell you
your English classes are one of the most important.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Class Like this word really, but that is so problematic?
Then that is so problematic. Imagine that there's a student
who is getting super bullied and everybody wants him to
like get unalived. It is like his words. I mean,

(01:43:53):
forty people could put this person's name into the goblet
and force them to compete.

Speaker 5 (01:43:59):
Well, well, I guess it. I guess it doesn't matter
how many times the name goes in. Like, but if
everybody puts the name, I mean, if everyone if everyone
in Hogwarts wanted to bully one person and not include
their own name they could they could do, they could
put they said.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
It's not an odds game. Yeah, it's it's the cup
chooses who it thinks his most war.

Speaker 5 (01:44:23):
Wouldn't it be interesting if it's not the games? Okay,
so let's let's get this is interesting, I guess because like,
let's go back to what I was talking about with
Crumb earlier, and like if Dermstring had picked Crumb only
and the goblet decides that you are not worthy to enter,
could it not give a name? I don't think so.

(01:44:45):
I like this is all just to talk, but like
it would be like if you did that, like if
you did it with oh the kid with a camera,
Colin the creepy boy. Yeah, if everyone put his name
in and then the Gobblet was like, ah no, we're
not doing that, then no Hogwarts Champion comes out, that

(01:45:05):
would have been interesting. I guess. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
And I think the reason why, like you're talking about
like Carkroff, I think technically kind of had to bring
an upper of students. He couldn't make it obvious. He
was trying to rig it, you know, and so he
had to bring a certain number. And so that's probably
why he like manipulated who he if he did that,
he manipulated who he brought so that Crumb would be
the one to come out, right, But if he showed

(01:45:29):
up with just Crumb, everyone be like yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:45:32):
Right, well, and it may it may have been in
the in the uh because because they worked over the
rules and they worked over like what the task would
be and all this stuff with the schools to bring
the tournament back. So like there could have been a
requirement of you have to have at least five students
put their names in, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
And maybe maybe the cup just ultimately has to choose
the best of a bad bunch. If yeah, I think so,
what typically like a worthy childs?

Speaker 5 (01:46:00):
I agree. I think that if there is a name
in for the school, that one name would come out
no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Yeah, well that's what happened to her.

Speaker 5 (01:46:08):
Well are you saying Harry's not worthy or I guess no, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Just saying I think that's why my fourth school thing. Yeah, yeah,
that's why the fourth school thing is there to guarantee
it will be harracing so low.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
It's sort of like lowest common denominator. Like if there's
if someone put in somebody's names fifty times and there's
no other names. Well, I guess that's you if there's
no names.

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
Well, this is making me think that, Like, for the
longest time, I thought that the Goblet of Fire had
a specific purpose, and that purpose was only the tribs
of tournament. But now that we're discussing all of this,
I think what you were saying earlier about it possibly
having another purpose or its purpose shifting and changing over time,

(01:46:52):
that's becoming more and more plausible more that we talk
about this to me, because I can't see any other
way around that, given that it shoots out a fourth name.

Speaker 5 (01:47:03):
Yeah, well you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:47:05):
Yeah, the sentient kind of thing all of its own,
but it does get hoodwinked, so clearly. Yeah, there is
a loophole that makes me think, I don't know, I'm
just gobbling though.

Speaker 1 (01:47:19):
It did have to be confunded to forget that only
three that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:47:24):
That's that's what that's what trust Junior says, Yeah, into
forgetting that only three schools compete in the tournament. So
who told it that only three schools compete in the tournament?
Like that? Now we're getting into creation and all that
kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Like what is life? What is the purpose of life?

Speaker 5 (01:47:42):
What better question, what is a bonding magical contract? Like
what happens if one of these students breaks it? Because
they keep harping on this of like you and how
do you know?

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
How would you break it?

Speaker 5 (01:47:57):
Well? And and so the only other thing that we
have that it sounds similar to this that it's like
a magical contract is the unbreakable the unbreakable vowel.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
I mean I can see it being like that. I
can also see it being like whatever the tasks are,
you couldn't get away from them right to some degree,
Like even if you tried to back out, I don't know,
one of the dragons would come after you. You're sitting
in the stands.

Speaker 3 (01:48:26):
What if you just slept?

Speaker 4 (01:48:28):
Is the dragon?

Speaker 5 (01:48:34):
Yeah? I mean the the the easy answer to like
I'll change my mind. I don't want to compete is
like you show up for the task and then like
you find a way to get disqualified, I guess, or
like you just like stay alive, like like they're like
like task two, like you could just like get in
the lake and just like paddle around for an hour

(01:48:54):
and then you're out.

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:48:57):
Past one is tough Past two, that past three, like
the maze, like you could have just walked in and
just stood there and it's like hoped nothing came at you.
Task one is the one that I don't think that
you could have gotten away from, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
I mean you could have like passed out and then yeah,
like you.

Speaker 4 (01:49:17):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
Well and like there are like there were dragon tamers
there that were specifically yeah, to protect you from from
from those kind of issues, you know. But like and
I think I do think that I do think that
the Goblet would not select somebody that could back like
that would back out, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
But I also think acting like that, like showing up
to each task and just like getting yourself disqualified, the
Goblet would still consider you're fulfilling the contract.

Speaker 5 (01:49:50):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
So I think the only way this could be broken
is to actually like not show up and I think
you die, which then what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:50:03):
I think you die? I think it. I think it's
I think it's unbreakable vowel. You break the unbreakable value,
you die.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Okay, that's grim.

Speaker 5 (01:50:11):
Have you read these books?

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
Yeah, bringing into question the whole morality of the world
where it's like, yeah, this is a this is a
toilament for teenagers. We're going to put them in a
binding magical contract that if they break, they die, but
if they don't, yeah, that they could also die.

Speaker 7 (01:50:31):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
But it also goes back to like how ancient this is, right,
It very much is almost the like you know, like
ancient knights. For your honor, you have to be a
part of this, and it would be dishonorable to not
go try and kill each other with a sword.

Speaker 5 (01:50:47):
But to your point, Amber, like what they're talking about,
that's I think that's one reason that they made that
they may be age restriction of seventeen because all these
are adults. And then and then it's no different than
signing a way for at whatever you know, at your
at your local I don't know, Skott Divan things I

(01:51:09):
wanted to I wanted to say it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Sorry, we just this is this is totally non secutor.
But a bunch of us recently got together and we
did an escape room.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
And it was and we're still there. Actually we all just.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
We did not get out of there anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:51:27):
But but so yeah, Amber, like I understand why you're
saying teenager, But in the Wizarding World, they are adults,
and they are allowed to sign contracts and and and
and and go under that that contract.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
What was that always?

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
Did they always have to be seventeen?

Speaker 5 (01:51:43):
That's always no, No, it's new for this, for this
this round, in which.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Case what I just said stants for all the previous But.

Speaker 5 (01:51:53):
Yeah, yeah, it's with the exception that the previous torn
it was over one hundred years ago and there were
eight year olds in Coleman's, So that's true. That's a
little different, rue.

Speaker 10 (01:52:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:08):
Can you imagine an eleven year old being like the
champion for their school in this tournament in like eighteen something?

Speaker 5 (01:52:15):
What the heck better?

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
I guess we got even Lisa exactly like what do
you do?

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
The tasks change as well? Like surely it's not just
the same free task.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Yeah, yeah they do, but like and it used to
be more murderous. I think they said, like I think
they say at one point that like all the champions
got eaten by like Kaimera or something, So like, what
the heck? This isn't this whole tournament. We've talked about
this before. This tournament is absurd.

Speaker 5 (01:52:47):
Ber alson earlier, when we were talking about doing the
roast of a little more hosts. All I could think
about was I would just roast you about your thoughts
on the Trial Wizard tournament the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
It is not just me, we have multiple people have
been like this tournament is whack.

Speaker 4 (01:53:07):
Like the occupation well, yes, existent, but also it's like
if there's dragon handlers, they're ready to like tame the dragon,
but you meant to fight, Like I'm just like, if
they say that death is a possible outcome, why.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Do they have people on hand ready to help you know,
Like if.

Speaker 1 (01:53:29):
Yes, because they're trying to minimize the death, Okay, then
why are we even doing things that could cause death?

Speaker 5 (01:53:36):
Like this goes back to time and the waiver thing
on Skydalbin, Like they're doing everything they can to make
you not die, but you may die.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
But when you're skydiving, it's not like something's attacking you.

Speaker 5 (01:53:49):
Necessary gravity is gravity is attacking you al but it's
not a.

Speaker 1 (01:53:54):
Freaking dragon that's coming to like eat you alive.

Speaker 5 (01:53:57):
I like, I like my cancers against the dragon that
every time.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
Yeah, I think I'd rather face a dragon than jump
out of a plane.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
Oh I would never jump out of a plane.

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
Heck no, yeah, I don't know if anyway, speaking of
people being frightened, we get this interaction as they're leaving
the hall between Carkaroff and fake Moody, and Karkoff actually
has some very interesting things here as they're walking out.

(01:54:31):
At first, Harry like stands back so they can leave,
and Carkaroff is like, very off handedly like thank you.
But then he looks and he sees it's Harry and
he freaks out. And I'm like, what did you not
know Harry Potter was a student at Hogwarts right now?
Like what's your deal man? And then Moody Fake Moody
shows up and is like, yeah, that's Harry Potter and

(01:54:51):
they kind of get into this like back and forth
here that I just find so fascinating and again kind
of bring up it is really bold for Kharkaroff to
be coming back to Britain at this point. Yeah, it's
just kind of weird to me.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
How he how he will? I know that he's reacting
to seeing Moody the person he thinks is Moody, however,
and I almost wrote it in here, but I was like, no,
this is so silly. But now that you like, you've
put it back in my head. Is there even the
remotest chance that Karkaroff recognizes something is off with this

(01:55:31):
person because the other instances of polyjuice that we've seen
in the series, there's no I see you pick up
your book, there's no contextual evidence that would lead you
to believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
No, I know, I wanted to look.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Just the way we've seen polyjuice being used. Maybe it's
because Harry and Ron know it's Harry and Ron and
Hermione and you know, like they know that it's the
other person, because like Arthur doesn't recognize Ron, but like
doesn't Harry say something like if he looked him directly
in the eyes, he'd be afraid that it was that,

(01:56:07):
like Arthur would recognize him. I just feel like there's something,
like there's something there. And Carkroff is like, no, no way,
that's BARTI because he's dead, that's moody. And I'm just
being apparently little death eater.

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
What the I hate to do this one, but like
that's the difference between a villain doing something and Harry
and Ron doing something. I guess, you know what I mean.
I think that I think that, and especially about this
time by the time that this happens. Barti Cross Junior

(01:56:40):
has been Moody for three months at least mm hmmm,
so I think, well, two at least two months, maybe three.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
Well, there's also the fact that I was I was
verifying this. Moody tracked down Carkroff right, he says took
me six months to track him down. So it does
make sense if you saw Moody that he'd be like,
what the freak are you doing here?

Speaker 5 (01:57:04):
Right? Like why are you here?

Speaker 9 (01:57:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Are you here for me?

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:57:08):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:57:09):
And also like Karkaroff is paranoid, right, and so he's
like he must be here because of me. Dumbledore must
have brought him here because of me, and again like
what is he going to find out about me?

Speaker 5 (01:57:22):
Well, but but what works in Barti Kross Junior's favor
here to Like, to answer some of your questions, Cat
is like Bartikross Junior and Moody hate Karkoff the same, sure, like, oh,
it's maybe different reasons, but they still hate the man.
So like, I think that all he's seeing there is disdain.
I don't think that there's any.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
I mean, I didn't either, which is why I didn't
write it down when then Allison said it, and I
was like, maybe I'll just bring it up because we're
already two hours into this episode. Let's just do it, right,
Let's just do it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
That's what we do here.

Speaker 5 (01:57:55):
Yeah, it is so we do know that that Croud
Senior and Ludah Bagman come in here, and we know
that Crouch Senior is under the imperious curse for this.
Do we think that he would have if he weren't,
If this were just like normal everyday tournament stuff, would

(01:58:17):
Crouse Senior have shown up for the festivities here? Yes, Okay,
tell me why.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
I think so? Because he wants to. He would want
to kind of revel in the glory of this great
like thing he's done. Right, He's put together this big
international competition. He was in charge of it, right, like,
he helped do all of this. And I think he
because if nothing else, it's a great resume builder for

(01:58:42):
him right to be standing here in front of all
these new potential voters, right who maybe someday would make
him Minister for Magic. You know, I definitely think he
would have.

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
I agree, I kind of have the attitude. He's a
ministry official.

Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
He's got to show his face yeah, just face it's
gonna be representative that.

Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
I don't know. I read Croud Senior's so different than
you all do them. I view him as like, I
think he's given up on it. I think that he
understands that his political career was tarnished thirteen years ago
and it hasn't recovered since then, and it probably isn't
going to recover.

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
I disagree. I think it makes him even more apt
to do it because he has that tarnished reputation. So
now he's here trying to fix it somehow, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:59:31):
I don't know. I just I don't see that. I
think that he would he would love to do the
planning and like understand, like I brought this about, But
I just I think that he was shunted the duties
of like being there for it off. I think that
he's given up.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
I mean, I think a part of the problem, and
this is true about Moody in this book, is if
we just don't know the real Crouch. I mean, this
Crouch is you know, the Crouch that Percy comes to
love is not actually crouched, and the person that we
see is not actually Crouch. He's very monotone. He's very serious.

(02:00:08):
He's very I mean, the fact that he goes woo
in the movie like doesn't make him a quirky fun person.
He is still like blank faced. So it's really it's
really hard to say who crouches not under the Imperious car. Sure,
he still has that like mustache, and he still dresses
very professionally like even so that like, like Harry says

(02:00:32):
that that Vernon wouldn't even recognize him for who he is,
and so maybe that facade is real, but maybe maybe
the woo is the fun part of him that's like
squeaking out of the Imperious Curse.

Speaker 1 (02:00:47):
We get a glimpse of the real Hymn in the
pen Se, yeah, right, where he is very ruthless, honestly.
Even his description, his description, if you're being kind, is
that he looks like Charlie Chaplin. Yep, if you're not
being kind, he looks like Hitler, you know, I mean

(02:01:08):
he does with that mustache and the hair parted so severely,
he looks.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
Like, I don't know, I think he kind of looks
like Pam Beasley when she's dressed as Charlie Chaplin. She
takes the hat off.

Speaker 5 (02:01:22):
And then.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
Just every chance we get this is now a sub
office podcast. We're just going to the office because there's
always a reference.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
Yeah, so I do think he is. Yeah, he is
extremely ambitious, which I think is what draws Percy to him. Right,
he's extremely ambitious. He's extremely ruthless, I mean, and he is.
That's why I don't think he's given up why. I
think part of the reason why he's here and he

(02:01:53):
jumped on organizing this tournament is maybe this will be
something that will give me points and my name will
be back in this spotlight for a good thing, and
then my career will be saved.

Speaker 5 (02:02:04):
But one he jumped at the chance to organize the
tournament because he's head of international cooperation, so like it's
his job to organize this tournament. The I agree. I
agree with everything that you said, except for the fact
he he he has to like go I have a

(02:02:25):
governor on his ambition because he has this massive freaking
secret of his son in his house. So like, the
more like the more attention that he gets, the more
that like he builds up, like the bigger chance that
this secret would get out, I got you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
So he's trying to live in the shadows a little bit.

Speaker 5 (02:02:46):
That's what I would do.

Speaker 1 (02:02:47):
Okay, I can see that, But I can also see
m if he's got more power, it might be easier
to hide.

Speaker 5 (02:02:56):
As possible. Maybe maybe maybe he feels like he's at
like he's at the maximum amount of power without like
getting to like public facing that to hot. I don't know,
I just well, but.

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
I mean he did. He kind of got shunted to
the side right when everything went down with Junior here.
I almost said that in Sean Connery's voice, and literally
the only reason why Bardiekrouch Junior is where he is
is because Crouch Senior cared about his wife and that

(02:03:31):
was his wife's dying wish. So I can see him
maybe being like, I'm not gonna temper my ambition, but
I need to get high enough that it'll be easier
to hide this, not like not fully a skeleton in
my closet.

Speaker 2 (02:03:49):
Let's leave that decision to the listeners, because I think
they're both really plausible, really plausible.

Speaker 4 (02:03:56):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, hmmm.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Because it is easier to hide. It is easier to
hide something when you have more power, but it's also
easier to hide something when you are nobody. Because nobody's
looking at you.

Speaker 4 (02:04:09):
Yeah, I feel like I would personally fall into the
lat to camp.

Speaker 1 (02:04:12):
Yeah, though there is the if anybody found out and
he had power, what are they going to do about it?

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
Yeah, which is harder to do if you're lower.

Speaker 4 (02:04:22):
Down the high Yeah. The higher you have, the pod
you have to fall. I suppose.

Speaker 5 (02:04:25):
Well, yeah that all that all depends on the amount
of shame that your government will and your people will tolerate.

Speaker 2 (02:04:32):
Yeah, which changes over time and data does. The pendulum
always swings.

Speaker 5 (02:04:37):
So now that we're finally like here at the trials
or tournament, uh, Dumbledore's talking about what the contestants show,
like what the Goblin is really like? I guess looking
for what the what the tournament is there to show
or to exhibit? And he he says that the tournament
is a competition against contestants their magical prowess, daring, powers

(02:05:00):
of deduction, and ability to cope with danger. Do we
think that the tournament accomplishes those things?

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
I do well?

Speaker 2 (02:05:09):
And it also begs the question is Cedric, who's a
Hufflepuff the perfect Champion? Does Hufflepuff house in or Cedric
as a person? I mean, he doesn't encapsulate all of
those things, because they're all really excited because Angelina comes
in a is like, oh, just put my name in,
and they're like, oh my god, Angelina, and like, we

(02:05:30):
know why Cedric was picked.

Speaker 5 (02:05:32):
But because he's a white man, you said it, not me, But.

Speaker 2 (02:05:37):
You know, does Cedric encapsulate all of those things? Would Angelina,
a character we admittedly do know more about, be better.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
I think, yeah, I think Angelina would have been a
good champion. But I do think Cedric is a good champion.
I mean he's hard working, he's a decent person, he
plays by the rules. He's obviously smart, right, he has
magical skill. He's a quidditch player and a seeker, so
he's got that kind of daring there, right, powers of deduction. Right,

(02:06:07):
he's smart. He figures things out. I mean, yes, he
has helped, but he probably would have figured them out anyway, right,
Ability to cope with danger. I mean again, he plays quidditch,
you know, I think he has he does have these
these attributes, and I think that the tournament itself does
test that.

Speaker 5 (02:06:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
You've got to figure out clues, you have to face
dangerous creatures, you have to make quick decisions. In the
maze and against like the dragon and the Murr people
and stuff, and yeah, and I think he pretty much
rises to the occasion.

Speaker 4 (02:06:45):
Yeah, I find it interesting that he's a Hufflepuff as well,
Like of everybody that the Cup could have chosen, the
Cup went with a Hufflepuff, And I think, like, obviously
we know there are there are stereotypes of the houses,
and I feel like Hufflepuff slides under the radar a lot,

(02:07:05):
and this was kind of one of their big moments
to shy and so I really like that the kind
of nerve and daring and courage all that is usually
left to the Griffin Doors.

Speaker 3 (02:07:19):
I really love that we see all of.

Speaker 4 (02:07:22):
These attributes coming from a Hufflepuff champion instead.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
Yeah, I really because and also like to point out
that in the Battle of Hogwarts, the Hufflepuff stand up
right after the Gryffin Doors, like a second after them.
So I love that.

Speaker 4 (02:07:37):
I love like those attributes of loyalty and friendship and companionship,
I think, and maybe that that really resonates with me
because here in Australia, like it's the society not to
get too political, but like society in general is like
very egalitarian we're all about making sure looking out for
each other, and so for me, I don't know, it

(02:07:59):
just it scratches an itch that they they chose a
half a Puff champion that has all of those attributes
plus that which I was gonna say earlier when you
mentioned about the tournament being about magical prowess and daring
and all that, I feel like, if you, if you
don't already possess some of those traits, I feel like
the tournament drags them out of you, and I feel yeah,

(02:08:22):
and I don't know, that's why I foind it even
more interesting that a half a Puff champion was selected
because I feel like you wouldn't necessarily lean into that
as a first you know, because when you think daring courage,
you immediately go Griffindor, and so I like, I don't know,
I like this big conglomeration of things all pulling together.

Speaker 3 (02:08:42):
In in set degree.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Well in two. If you think about the huff a
Puff animal, which is the badger, they are fierce, they
are like strong, and they've got a big claws and
they are not afraid of a fight, which which yeah,
I mean I think that's I think that's perfect.

Speaker 5 (02:09:03):
So there's no raven We don't know of any raven
claw that puts their name in. We know of a
Slytherin at Warrington, the Gryffindor Angelina and Cedric a raven clause.
Is this a risk calculation that the raven claus are
doing of just like it's not worth it, It's not
worth entering someone.

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
I mean, we just don't know a lot of raven
class at this point. We've got Michael Corner and Anthony Goldstein.

Speaker 5 (02:09:30):
That's it right, Well, my well, Penelopy Clearwater is gone.
And Roger is Roger Davis a raven Claw or not?

Speaker 2 (02:09:39):
He's a raven claw because so like them aren't old enough.

Speaker 5 (02:09:43):
I think Roger. I think Roger Davis is old and
and I think that he is the only raven Claw
that we know that is old enough.

Speaker 1 (02:09:51):
I mean there's also the thing too of the raven
clause probably did the smart thing of like I'm gonna
put my name in when no one else, right, because
I'm not going to deal with the embarrassment if I'm
not the one chosen. But if I am the one chosen,
big old surprise, right, like then it'll.

Speaker 5 (02:10:08):
Be great well for me and and that's part. That's
part of the risk calculation too, because like if you
I don't know, like for Angelina, everyone knows that you
put your name in and so now now everyone knows
that the Goblet thinks that Cedric is better than you
for this tournament. So like, I think that that is
also some some things that raven Claus could look at
because they are the smartest house of like saving face

(02:10:31):
of I don't want anyone to know that my name
is in there because I don't want I don't want
anyone to think that this person is better than I
am for this tournament or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:10:42):
It would be so juicy having a Ravenclaw champion, because
the house values intelligence, wit, but but also the creative types.
And so I feel like if there was a raven
Claw Champion, you'd see some really creative ways of evading.

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
You know, the dragon and not dealing with that goes
beyond just like the bubble headshop, you.

Speaker 2 (02:11:02):
Know, yeah, well they'd figure out the egg clue and
like yeah, no, nope, see nope, nope. As as as
a raven Claud, there is no world where I would
have figured that out quickly, And there's no world where
I would have like cared at all about if people
thought I was dumber than them or like not as
good as them, because I know that I'm awesome and

(02:11:25):
amazing and incredible and wonderful because raven Claus have big
egos for the most part, which is you know, I
go read My House Dichotomy series folks if you haven't,
because you know it's a good one. But I think
it just comes down to the fact that, as we
sort of laid out here, we just don't know any

(02:11:46):
raven clause that are old enough to put their name in.

Speaker 1 (02:11:50):
Yeah, that is true.

Speaker 5 (02:11:51):
Well that's not the fun answer.

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
I know, I know, I know when the answer is plot,
it's not fun.

Speaker 12 (02:11:58):
I know.

Speaker 1 (02:11:59):
It also brings about the question like how does this
cup determine if these champions are the best one?

Speaker 9 (02:12:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:12:06):
Like, how does it determine that it picks their name
out of a hat.

Speaker 5 (02:12:10):
The sorting hat and the and the goblet side. And
he's like, hey, can you let chat with this? Can
you chat with me about this?

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
And the scarf of sexual preference also there, Josh like, what.

Speaker 5 (02:12:25):
I'm not that deep in here. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:12:27):
Have you never seen a very part musical?

Speaker 2 (02:12:30):
I haven't seen it, but I know it was Okay,
I've seen Puffs, which is better in my opinion, But anyway, Yeah,
I wonder if.

Speaker 4 (02:12:40):
The Cup, if it's sentient, has a consideration of the
entertainment factor of it all right, if it chooses its
champions not just on who's worthy in the case of
who's going to be able to deal with the tasks
and the challenges, but seeing the overarching tournament, who's gonna

(02:13:01):
be the most interesting to watch? And I say this
bearing in mind that you're already watching a dragon, like
someone trying to fight a dragon. But in general, yeah,
I wonder if that's like a factor that comes into
the whole thing, the whole game.

Speaker 1 (02:13:17):
You know, the Cup lives for the drama.

Speaker 4 (02:13:19):
I think it does.

Speaker 1 (02:13:22):
I think it does ever a thing.

Speaker 2 (02:13:26):
I mean, it has to in some sense, because not
to insult introverted people, but you would have to assume
that the people that are putting their name in here
are people who are not afraid to be in a spotlight.
They're not going to be afraid to be called out,
to be made fun of, to be all of those

(02:13:48):
things which would tend to lend itself to a more
extroverted personality which does tend to lead to a more
outwardly entertaining experien I am not saying the introverted people
are not entertaining, because I know some incredibly funny people
and entertaining people are introverts. But I think when you're

(02:14:09):
looking at a crowd of people, you have to consider
that experience, even the smallest amount, and you're gonna need
somebody who is willing and able to not only do
the tasks but sort of play to the crowd.

Speaker 1 (02:14:24):
Well, it chooses an international quidditch star, it chooses an
extremely beautiful young woman, and it chooses Cedric, who is
said to be popular and a pretty boy. You know,
so he is choosing good TV.

Speaker 5 (02:14:40):
Well, but is Cedric well, is Crumb a good pick
for the tournament because he has all these things intrinsically
that come out and force him to be a good
quoted star. Same thing for Flur? Is she confident in herself,
in her magical prowess, and they're burying all the things
because she's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (02:15:01):
I think it's yeah. I think they work together and
there is the entertainment of like everybody wants to see
this guy anyway. Oh, do you think if the goblet
is sentient, do you think it like recognized that people
in the hall were talking about certain people.

Speaker 2 (02:15:19):
That'd be cool, right, Like didn't didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:15:22):
Like understand that, Like people were talking about Crumb. Oh,
people know this guy, people want to see him. People
are talking about this pretty flour girl, right, people would
want to see her do this. People talk about Cedric
Diggery because he's popular and he's handsome. People talk about
Harry Potter because he's because he's famous and is.

Speaker 5 (02:15:43):
Just standing beside the goblet going.

Speaker 4 (02:15:47):
Lords the magic that hoodweight the cup was just whispering
to it.

Speaker 1 (02:16:00):
It was just like, beauty, you are a beautiful goblin
the best. Bartikraft Junior was doing a monologue of that
scene of mean girls of like, how do I describe
Harry Potter? His hair is insured for a thousand gallons?

Speaker 5 (02:16:17):
Amazing?

Speaker 2 (02:16:22):
Amazing? Yes, that that's it. That's it right there, You
have solved the mystery.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
That's that's the Confundan show.

Speaker 3 (02:16:32):
Yeah, I'm going to accept that as.

Speaker 2 (02:16:36):
Now agreed completely. So my final question here the new
confirmed cannon aside is we're at the end. Chapter is over?
Is this a good title chapter? Does it accomplish the
goal of being a good title chapter the Goblet of Fire.

Speaker 1 (02:16:56):
I think so, because this object is, I mean, we've
talked about this before. It's the mcguffin of this book, right.
It summarizes everything that occupies their thoughts, and it's also
the real turning point and like the inciting incident that
really shifts us into the action. Right is the fact
is when Harry's name comes out of this goblet, it

(02:17:20):
really is what kicks off the real action here. Pretty
much everything before this in this book is just setting
us up for things that are going to come later.
But this is the moment where like plot really kind
of starts to happen.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
Yeah, the first task is the middle chapter for the record, Okay, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:17:40):
So books one and three are the only ones that
don't have title chapters and them so we can we
can make the assumption that it is it was the
goal to have a title chapter in all of the
books at least. But I'm going, I'm going through the
chapter list right now, and where does it fit? Where

(02:18:00):
else would you have a title chap if you if
you had to put the title chapter somewhere in here
other than right here, where do you put it maybe
the third task, because like that's the goal with the end,
like you're going after it. But I think this is
a really good title chapter because it doesn't give anything away.
The next chapter is is called the Four Champions, I think.

(02:18:23):
So you can't put anything in it in this chapter
about Harry's name coming out because you're giving away the
cliffhanger essentially, or the or the big piece of it.
I don't. I just don't know where else do you
put it.

Speaker 1 (02:18:36):
I suppose you could have pulled the try Wizard Tournament
as your title.

Speaker 2 (02:18:40):
Well, the alternate titles for the book, but were Harry
Potter and the trywards Or Tournament and Harry Potter in
the Doomspell Tournament. Those were the alternate titles for this book.

Speaker 5 (02:18:50):
Doom Spell.

Speaker 2 (02:18:53):
Yeah, that one's uh a little like the head it
does that title.

Speaker 1 (02:18:59):
Yeah, to pull that for the title though, also brings
intrigue into the title because we don't know what the
goblet of fire is before we start this.

Speaker 5 (02:19:08):
Book, before you start this, right, so well yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:19:11):
Yeah, but I'm saying like, even if you're just looking
at the title of the book, we have no idea
what a goblet of fire is, right, And so we're like, oh,
what is this thing? You know, and it does connect
with that's the starting point of the whole tournament then,
so it's almost a little bit more appealing and mysterious
than just calling it like the Tryzard Tournament, because then
we'd be like, Okay, he's in this.

Speaker 5 (02:19:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:19:31):
I mean, I think the changing of the title was
the was the correct thing to do. I think the
try Wizard Tournament would be a yeah, a less intriguing title,
too obvious, I agree.

Speaker 4 (02:19:41):
Yeah, I'm just reminded of what we were talking about earlier,
with all the Halloween stuff and Salin and you know,
the Goblet of Fire itself marks this moment of significance,
this moment, so this moment of hus change, and so
I think, yeah, calling it Harry Potter and the Try
is a Tournament is a bit obvious. I think calling

(02:20:01):
it Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, it's like, yeah,
this is also notably, this is where the series starts
to really take a ackturt and I think choosing the
Goblet of Fire as an emblem of that is a
really good choice because yeah, just mass Okay, now we're
shifting Harry's coming into this new chapter of.

Speaker 3 (02:20:23):
His life via this hugely culturally significant thing.

Speaker 5 (02:20:29):
So this may have been naivety on my part, but
whenever I first read this book, I took it, you know,
to heart that no one under seventeen could enter this tournament.
So whenever, like leading up to the I was shocked
when Harry's name came out of the goblet, like literally shocked. Okay,

(02:20:50):
maybe that's naive, but like, but if you change the
name of the book to Harry Potter and Trout Woozard Tournament,
immediately when you hear the rules, You're going Harry's names
on the come out, yeah, you know, like so true,
Like that's given it away early, like it maybe okay,
it's given away three chapters earlier, maybe I guess, but
like actually I guess, like all the rules are told

(02:21:11):
in this and in this chapter, so I don't know.
I don't know. I was. I was literally shocked when
his name came out.

Speaker 2 (02:21:19):
This is the first book that I read, like before
I had seen the film, because this book came out
around the same time as the Prisoner of Azkaban film,
which I saw those three films before I started reading
the series. So I don't know that I was. I
don't remember my reaction, but I do remember reading it
very quickly, so.

Speaker 4 (02:21:39):
I like I the only book that I read before
the film came out was definitely Hallows because I kind
of grew up on the films first, because when the
first couple of films came out, I wasn't like old
enough to be able to comprehend how to read how
I think I had tried reading The Philosopher's Stone when
I was like four, and I was like, this is
too half for me. But and so I didn't consider that, Josh,

(02:22:05):
because I already knew having seen a film, that Harry's
name was going to come out of the cup. So
I can imagine as a reader reading that for the
first time. You're so right, Like that would have been
the plots whist of all plots whists, and it would
have Yeah, naming it the trivers of the tournament would
have just given it away, and I think spoiled it
a little bit, like in a like literally it's yeah, exactly,

(02:22:30):
it's too all.

Speaker 2 (02:22:30):
The noose before we wrap, just since we were talking
about it, it just does. I've got the four They're
so pretty, aren't they pretty?

Speaker 5 (02:22:39):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:22:39):
Is that the oh is that their names on the
Yeah piece is a parchment. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, oh,
I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:22:47):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:22:48):
I love floirs so pretty.

Speaker 2 (02:22:50):
It is very pretty, you know, it's so pretty.

Speaker 4 (02:22:53):
What is that meant to be?

Speaker 1 (02:22:54):
Like?

Speaker 4 (02:22:54):
Is the paper itself just round? Or is it meant
to be you know how, like you make a snow.

Speaker 5 (02:22:59):
Flakes meantal look like a flower?

Speaker 6 (02:23:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:23:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know how? You know how you
can make a heart by folding paper over and then
cutting it. I think I think this you could make
it by folding it a bunch of times, cutting out
the middle and cutting out.

Speaker 4 (02:23:15):
The edge and then yeah, yeah, like snowflakes.

Speaker 1 (02:23:20):
Yeah, they all like fold them before they put them
in the goblet, and then the goblet has like unfolded them.

Speaker 2 (02:23:25):
Magic has done the most well, of course she has
the most stylish by fire.

Speaker 5 (02:23:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:23:36):
Anyway, friends, this is the end of the chapter. Some
I think we're gonna leave it here for today. Amber,
we need once again thank you for being here because
you were.

Speaker 4 (02:23:44):
Amber love the Goblet of Fire like I love it
so thank you so much for having me. I'm so
happy to yeah about Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (02:23:56):
I mean this might be your new favorite book. You'll
have to let us know once you get through order
this thing Exica.

Speaker 3 (02:24:01):
Yeah, I'll have to let you know.

Speaker 2 (02:24:02):
Please please let us know, and let our listeners know
where they can find you online if they want to
follow you.

Speaker 4 (02:24:08):
Yeah, I'm just at the Magical Minimalist on Instagram and TikTok.

Speaker 2 (02:24:13):
Excellent, excellent.

Speaker 5 (02:24:14):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (02:24:14):
Well, we hope you had a good time, and yeah,
just thank you. It's so nice to chat with somebody
with such a cool, fun accent. I'm sure you feel the.

Speaker 1 (02:24:22):
Same, Yeah, a bit of a It's als always nice
to talk to somebody who like is British sometimes when
we get.

Speaker 9 (02:24:30):
Into this because I've been in Australia for like sixteen
years now, so I feel like a bit of a
cat saying I'm British.

Speaker 3 (02:24:40):
Still technically I am.

Speaker 5 (02:24:44):
I am.

Speaker 2 (02:24:45):
I was gonna say, if you were both passports, then honey,
you're British.

Speaker 4 (02:24:50):
Yeah yeah, but I'm not British enough for Jelly deals.

Speaker 1 (02:24:53):
That's none of us. Well, that's just because that's just
that's that's like an abomination, the King.

Speaker 5 (02:25:03):
Jelly.

Speaker 1 (02:25:07):
Even just hearing that phrase makes me just.

Speaker 3 (02:25:09):
Want to like, it's literally like a pot full of jelly.

Speaker 1 (02:25:14):
Yeah, this reminds me of this is quick story my
undergrad study abroad. There was one night that like the
caretakers of the house that we like at the center
we stayed at, they made us dinner and they made
us a like it was like Shepherd's pie, but like
with fish. And it was when somebody pulled out a

(02:25:35):
tentacle out of theirs that we were all like, we're
going to McDonald's, okay, which is the only time we
did that, but we were like, we're I love.

Speaker 4 (02:25:45):
Love fish pie. It's like one of my but I
haven't had it since we left England.

Speaker 3 (02:25:50):
But admittedly there was no tentacles.

Speaker 1 (02:25:53):
In Yeah it was. It was really the tentacle that didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:25:57):
But again it's very beige, Yeah, very much.

Speaker 1 (02:26:02):
Yeah, like I don't I don't mind the concept of
you know, like a shepherd's pie whatever, but but yeah, no,
the ten says goes too much far step too far.

Speaker 3 (02:26:11):
Last from the Past just reminded me of that.

Speaker 4 (02:26:13):
Now I love.

Speaker 12 (02:26:18):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:26:18):
Our next episode will be a chaptery visit of Halfwood
Prince chapter twenty five this year over.

Speaker 2 (02:26:25):
That's a good one. That's a good chapter.

Speaker 5 (02:26:28):
It's good chapter and please remember you can follow us
on pretty much any social media outlet at Alomora MN
or on Facebook at Open the Dumbledore, and please remember
to subscribe, save and share this episode with your friends.
This has been episode fifty eight of the Final one hundred.

Speaker 1 (02:26:45):
I'm Josh, I'm Kap, and I'm Alse and thank you
for listening to episode four hundred and fifty eight of Alohamurra.

Speaker 2 (02:26:52):
It's not that cold?

Speaker 1 (02:26:54):
Why don't they just open the Dumbledore?

Speaker 5 (02:27:00):
H m hm hm.

Speaker 4 (02:27:10):
Alohama is produced by Tracy Dunstan.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
This episode was edited.

Speaker 4 (02:27:15):
By Catherine Lewis.

Speaker 1 (02:27:16):
Alohamorra was co created by Noah Freed and Kat Miller, and.

Speaker 2 (02:27:20):
Is brought to you by A p W B d llc.

Speaker 5 (02:27:26):
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Speaker 2 (02:27:36):
Did you all hear that?

Speaker 5 (02:27:38):
Yes? Was that one of you? Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:27:40):
You just woke up from a nap and like had
a violent reaction to it for some reason.

Speaker 5 (02:27:46):
Wow, I'm I thought it was Amber's baby. I thought
that was I thought that was my my my dad.
Stuff came out of like is that a baby? Is
that baby? Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:27:56):
I mean it's my four legged baby, so sort of
it's through there anyway.

Speaker 10 (02:28:04):
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