GOF, 17 Revisit: ET Tu, Brute

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
This is episode four hundred and seventy of Aloha Mora
for September twentieth, twenty and twenty five. Welcome to another

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episode of Aloha Mora, the fandom's original Harry Potter book Club.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm Bianca Lynch.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
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happy to have our guests today. Magical Courtney, thanks for
being here.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Hiy Courtney, thanks for having me to your house.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
What's your Harry Potter story? All that jazz?

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Okay, So if you did not guess, are ready? I
am at Griffin Door. I was in the Harry Potter
fandom since it started. I read the book for the
first time actually when I was ten years old. My
aunt was just like, you need to start reading, and
I told her that I didn't want to read. I
was like, there's no way, Like if it's longer than

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Cat in the Hat, I'm not doing it. And she
was like, I think you may like this, and we
argued for a little bit. She put the book on
my bed and I was like, I'm not reading this.
A week later, I just kept looking at the book
and I was like this book like strange, like what
the heck? So I flipped through the book and I
went on a random chapter and I saw like a

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line that said you a wizard too, And I was like, wizard,
what is the sorcery? What is this? You were pages
and I'm like, oh my god, I love it so
that I started from the beginning and the rest is
literally history.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
That's sweet.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
Ye, it's been. It's been an amazing journey. I went
to every midnight book release ever since. When the movies
came out, I begged my parents to take me opening
weekend because I could not wait to hear more about it.
So the Harry Potter fandom has been like the best fandom,
and my love for reading started with there, and now

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I read like our kind of fandom that you can
think of that's been out there ever. So Harry Potter
is like near you do to me.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
We're here for you.

Speaker 5 (02:24):
That's so awesome.

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We're happy to have you. Thanks for coming, especially a
little bit last minute. So I appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
And yeah, today we're talking about Goblet of Fire, chapter seventeen,
the Four Champions. The last time we talked about it
was all the way back in episode fifty five.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
It was called Humble Puff from November twenty thirteen, with
hosts Laura Rosie, our editor Patrick and guest Alex.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Twenty thirteen. What a time to be alive. The vague
memories I have of twenty thirteen.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, I don't believe that, oh man. But that's why
we're the OJ podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah it was.

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You, Thank you, Debrah, Thank you, Debrah.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
All right, well so we get into it. Let's do it,
all right, let's go.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Should do it? Chapter revisit chapter seventeen.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
The Full Champions.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
So our chapter opens with Harry doing what can only
be described as a purp walk through the Great Hall
after his name has been pulled out of the goblet.
Emotions are running high when the other three champions are
informed that Harry will indeed compete alongside them. Heated conversation
ensues and wild accusations are thrown around about the legitimacy
of the tournament. It's made clear that the rules are

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absolute there will be four champions instead of three. Fake
Moody points out that someone obviously put Harry's name in
the goblet, while everyone else scoffs at his theory. Spoiler alert,
He's right and it's him. A baffled Harry makes his
way back to the common room to commiserate with Ron
and Hermione, only to discover that neither of them is
anywhere to be found. Instead, the Gryffindors are throwing a

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rager in his honor because Gryffindor, but Harry is absolutely
not in the mood for it. By the time he
breaks away, he finds Ron in their dorm and expects understanding,
but is met with teenage angst and jealousy. Ron shuts
the curtains on him, and he's left standing there, stuck
between suspicion about who set the sinister plan in motion

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and heartbreak over the fact that even his best friend
might not have his back.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
That a good summary, Shamanie, Well, thank you agreed.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Good how Poor Harry's pretty much the theme of all
these episodes. Poor Harry, Yeah, just never changes. Unfortunately, So
we actually kick off this chapter with what I like
to call Harry's walk of shame. Behind this because basically

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everyone in the Great Hall is staring at him, which
in a way, Harry's not exactly.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
A stranger to but at this point, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
It's been a while since he's kind of had like
eyes on him like this, at least since like Book
two whenever, you know, everyone thought he was Slytherin's air
and I'm just wondering he's doing this walk. This is
worth the ear at Hogwarts.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay, he got.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Friends, he got associates, he got teachers who really you know,
like they rock with him. Nobody could give him a
little bit of encouragement. Like I was just so disappointed
when it was like when like even Hagrid just looking
at him, not what person it's gonna be like, it's
gonna be okay, Like no one could have given him
any kind of reassurance.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Really, it's hard.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
It was just it was like in the movies where
like the record scratches and everybody stops and stares at whatever.
That's what this is. Like.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, it's so sad because when I read this for
the first time, I was like, oh, great, he's outcasted again,
Like has he not shown himself already that he is here.
He's just a normal boy, well trying to be a
normal boy, and things get thrusted at him, like not

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even the Trio. I didn't really expect anybody but the
Trio to be.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Like, no, that's not real, like how he did not
do that.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
But when they were like, well we don't know Harry,
I'm like and to brute, you only all your fun
and they just goos, Like I feel bad for him
again for him to be all alone, which is how
he started this whole entire world. So poor Harry.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. All Harry wants is to be
just like a regular, regular student. He's just he's just
looking forward to watching the tournament like everybody else, and
I'm not gonna lie. This is actually one of the
things that I like to fantasize about in terms that
sounded odd in terms of like okay, in terms of
like reading these books, Like sometimes I like to think, like,

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how cool would it be if Harry were able to
just like watch this tournament?

Speaker 2 (07:44):
And honestly, I know he would. I know it would
be a completely different plot and all.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Of that, but I felt like, out of all the
books where he wanted to be normal, this is the
one where I really would have wanted to just sit back,
you know, talk with my friends.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Who do you think is gonna win? Like it could
have been such a fun experience for him outside of
being a champion, but obviously we will never know, So
there's that you get a feel for them.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, I agree, because it's just like I just want
to have fun watch you with everybody else It's like, nope, nope,
gotta be like the extra special young kid who's in
the tournament thing.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yes, And speaking of speaking of the tournament and the
champions and this this walk of shame that leads him
into this room where floor Flour.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Just straight up is like, what's his kid doing it? Here?
Which awo as a sign. Correct this little boy?

Speaker 4 (08:42):
What why this is his school? Do you?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Like?

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Do you not understand? Like this this is his house?
So what are you?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, flour came in like I'm here, so now this
is my place. But what I really want to know
is why is Snake here? And this has happened multiple
times throughout the series where something I'm air quoting serious
happens and it's like, oh, Dumbledore entered and then behind
him was Professor McGonagall and Professor Professor Snape. And I'm like,

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first of all, if Snape is here, why is Sprout
not here?

Speaker 2 (09:16):
But I mean, I don't mind you. Cedric is a Hufflepuff.
So my first question is why is Snape here in
the first place? And the second question is, and especially
because y'all know Hufflepuffs.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
I know y'all out here, y'all feel a me right now?
Y'all know we always get in the last leg in
these books. Why is Professor Sprout always out of the equation?

Speaker 5 (09:38):
I have no answers, I.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Answers, I don't know answers.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
My first thought was like, why is Snape here? And
then he's just I get the hates Harry. So it's
like I get why is it saying what he says?
But it's just like, really, Snape, you think that he
really put his name in a goblet of fire and
just for attention, your heart hurts.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Come on, I feel like which Snape should going up?
Like at this point, if he doesn't show up to
wear things, I would question, like where is he? Because
he's always around two So like when I saw him,
I was just like I'm not surprised, like he either
wants to play in Harry's downfall or just like watch
and see what would happen. So like, yeah, him being

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here is not out of normal.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
So he's nosing nosing, and he's here to start drama
like he's like he is. He's always trying to start something.
He's always got to run his mouth. And I'm like, Snape,
shut up like that what.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
There's not one Slytherin in here?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
You have nothing like you have as far as we know,
you have no rank, standing anything above any other teacher here.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
And I'm just sitting here like why are you even
in the room?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Like why did dumbled? Why didn't Dumbledore be like what
you're doing? Like what do you like?

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Like mcgonaga. Cool, Okay, Harry is in her house whatever.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
But I mean we could maybe even argue why McGonagall
is in but I'm not because y'all know I love McGonagall,
But I'm like, why is Snape in here? I'm just
I'm just so annoyed, And i mean we all know
that the answer is the drama. Snap wants the opportunity
to be like, oh, Harry did this, Harry did that.
But I'm just a little disappointed that that double door
didn't like that dumble Doore allowed him in there and

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wasn't like, hey, actually we got this.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
I mean I did. I'm not surprised that Snape was
in the room because I feel like Dumbledore treats Snape
like a distant godson, where it's like I'm going to
give you attention, but not enough attention because I know,
like you have a nobody situation. So he just gets
away with everything because one, they need a bad guy

(11:42):
to blame and Snake fits the roll in two it's like,
secretly we've we realized later that Dumbledore trusts Snape more
than we ever thought. So again, I wasn't.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Surprised that he was there, So you think the dumble
doore like intentionally wanted Snape in there?

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Is that what you're saying?

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, because of what I can't really think about it.
In like other situations like he's always there and Dumbledore
has the ability to leave and tell anyone to get out,
he never tells Snape to get out. He's like always
asking him the weird questions like who do you think
about this, Snape? Or oh, I got to think about

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this later, or hey, Snape, since you're in here, make
sure you're watching Harry do blah blah blah blah blah.
And of course Snape, will you know blindly follow? So
I always felt like the relationship dynamic between Snape and
dumb Door is like god parent godfather, Like I need
you on the inside because I need someone I can trust.
But I don't trust you because I don't know what

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you're gonna do. But I trust you a little bit
to be my eyes and ears versus my Goldago's loyal
to anything that Dumbledore is doing. Two Hogwarts. Snape is
the obvious choice where us it's like we already know
his character, but there's something deep down where we're like
we need to keep him around if not it could
be more problem, So that's hard.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I could buy it, that's fair. Maybe even a little
piece of the dark Arts thing, because if he feels
like something, there may have been some dark magic going on.
I mean even though Snape, well.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
He didn't eventually get the role, but even though Snape
had been fighting for the role for years and Dumbledore
never gave it to him, like we know, we do fight,
we end up finding out later, like you said, like whenever,
like I think it was with the Ring when he
specifically called for Snape. So I mean I don't like it,
but I guess I can buy it.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
It all makes sense later on. But in this current book,
I'm like, yeah, he's here.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
What are you doing? Right? And speaking of McGonagall being there,
I just want to give her a shout out for
her outrage when everybody's arguing over the age line and
Dumbledore and he could have made a mistake and Dumbledore's
just like, oh, well, perhaps I made a mistake, and
mcgonag was like, you know, you do not make a mistake, Dumbledore.
What what are you saying? What do you what are

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you doing? What are you doing? I love her like
Ride or Die attitude for him, it's great.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
I love this as well, but I honestly thought like
it was a little bit of a stretch for her
to be Like she didn't literally say Dumbledore doesn't make mistakes,
but that's basically what she was saying. And I mean,
I agree that I love the loyalty, but I tried
to imagine, like if this were real life and someone
was like, what do you mean you think he made

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a mistake, Like I would be like, well, he's a
human and Harry's name is in the Goblet and he's underage,
so the math don't math so, but from from.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
The Hogwarts perspective, yeah, I'm with you, ride or I
love it blindly, just.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Like again that blind faith. It's like we're doing it.
I'm not asking questions. I'm here for it. We'll deal
with it later, like gotta you have to have someone
in your corner like that, So shout out.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
That's that's that Scorpio loyalty right now. I have no
idea if she's the Scorpio. I'm just saying in general,
that's what kept in my mind.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
That would be so fun. One day we need to
have an episode on like he did you? Did you? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Okay, well this clearly was before I was a home
so I need to go dig that episode up.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Okay, yeah, I need to go.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I need to go find that because man, I would
be so intrigued.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
It was fun.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, I think it was just the author trying to
be like people are gonna say, why didn't he just
he just made a mistake. Let me try and put
this in there so no one can say that I
didn't not bring it up. Later on we get a
description more descriptions of Madame Maxine, and I would say
his name wrong, Kirkoff or whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Jim Dale says it. All my pronunciations match Jim Dale's
same go.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
And he's described as wearing a steely smile and his
blue eyes that were chips of ice. I feel that's
just a really cool description, but also sounds like a
steely smile and it just seems like a jerk, right,
Like you're already just like setting the stage and he's
going to be somebody you don't trust.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Yeah, and so wildly different from the movie actor too.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Yes, oh my god, yeah, oh gosh, that movie actor
was given.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I mean, I guess he was supposed to give the IgG.
I mean that was the that was the whole, That
was the whole idea. But I think another thing that's
interesting about this description is and obviously we know that
we're always reading things from Harry's perspective, but it always
intrigues me that Harry doesn't really come across as the
most like observant person, right like, but when you see

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stuff like this, like even even other there's another point
in the chapter whenever he mentioned how like he could
see that like Krocherov's fists were bald of So I
think it's so interesting that the way that Harry's character
is written is like he's so perceptive from like a
narrator perspective, but from like actual Harry, like interacting with

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people like you. To me, like those two things are
just not congruent.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Agreed. Yeah, And Madam Maxine's described as enormous hands with
superb opals are resting on Flora's shoulder, which just kind
of like a little bit of a like why a
description of opals in literature, and usually it's associated with creativity, inspiration,
emotional well being, and other culturess also seen as being love, hope,

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and luck, and could also be psychic visions or boosting
comic consciousness. So why do we think that the author
made a point of specifically mentioning opals here, Because it's
not really any of those things, Like it's he's not
really lucky to be in the goblet of Fire or hopeful.
So it's like, just curious what you guys think.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
I would not have assumed that this is what oples
were associated with to me when I think, and maybe
maybe the problem is my association is with Madam Maxine.
But I just thought of like these like really like
elderly ladies who wear these like like this, like very
elderly looking jewelry like that. Like I definitely just not

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thinking creativity, it's thinking any of that. When I think
of like an opal, I think of maybe something like
a brooch, like it just seems very like it just seems.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Kind of like old lady to me, to be honest with.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
You, like if I saw someone wearing a bunch of
rings like that in real life, and I'm also I'm also.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Envisioning them being mess so to me, it just comes
across as kind of like gaudy.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
So yeah, it's I'm glad you pulled this because now
I'm like, obviously I need to shift my perspective because
this is not what opoles represent.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Well, my mom's name is Opal, so that's what I
think of when I see oples, and she is also
she's very mysterious and wow. But yeah, I don't think
of it as like hope and luck and all that JAZZM.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
No, it's giving very much like yeah, the sterious, like eclectic,
not a lot of centric eccentric. I don't know what
I was thinking. The name Kabad kind of like popped
into my mind as far as what she would look
like when they were describing.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Comparing Madam Meaxine is amazing, that's okay.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I wonder if it's like because since it's not supposed
to be four's supposed to be three, I wonder if it's
like a hint that this is obviously not right and
there's something off about this. You made a good point
shown about a magical binding contract.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Ah, the contract. This has probably been talked about to death,
but I'm going to bring it up again anyway because
that's what we're here for. So the huge argument here
is that everyone whose name comes out of the goblet
has to participate in the tournament. So it always comes
back to the magical binding contract line. But you would

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think that there would be some kind of exception if
you weren't the one who put your name in the
op at a fire, like I feel like you have to
willingly put forth your name otherwise that makes the contract
Nolan void. Now with that said, of course, we know
it's plot and Harry's put in there as bait and
all of that, But if they really wanted to, they

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could they not have over over overroaded, overridden? Could they
not have overridden this in some way if they really
wanted to. I find it hard to believe that there
was no way he could get out of it.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
It's one hundred percent plot, that's it. Like I'm like,
this is they have found. They find a loophole for
everything in these books.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Everything.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
It kind of contradicts the rules of entering into the
game of the Tarbazan Tournament, like the fact that he's
not even sixteen and you have to be sixteen, and
Dumbledore went so far to even make an age spell
where Fred and George tried to break it and they
couldn't get in, and then Harry got in, Like I

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know was plot, but it's like they could It's Hogwarts,
like we make the rules, like we are witches and wizards.
We can do whatever we want. We can undo something,
we can make something happen. But the fact that like
that simple thing, because I was just like, okay, well
then yeah he's not old enough, so get him out
of here. But sacrifice another gryffindor make it, make it

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make sense. But for the plot of Harry and you know,
constantly putting him in danger, they're like, Okay, I guess, like, yeah,
let him enter, Like what do we have to lose.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
It's just Harry, he has no things like his life,
like hell.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
He's a child. Hasn't he gone through trauma? But you know,
I feel like they wanted him to go into it
because it's his storyline. Is the boy who lived like
he lived before.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Let's go in there again. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
And the previous episode on this topic they talked, they
mentioned a good point like why are people more like
preoccupied with how the tournament's gonna go than the safety
of the students, say like, eh, he's fourteen, it's fine,
he could die whatever, it's a tournament.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
It's really important. Big deals never been of the private
d list.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
That's that's that's very that's very low in the total pole. Unfortunately.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
Well, apparently that applies to the entire wizarding world and
not just Hawkwarts, because even like Crouch and everybody, they're like, oh,
he must compete, and I'm like, oh, so nobody cares
about safety anywhere. Okay, that's what we're doing already.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, No, it definitely makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
They they could have gotten him, they could have got
him out of this, but but then they couldn't because
then we wouldn't have the Goblet of Fire.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
There would be no story.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
You know, although I am not seen kharkaroff, whenever he
said I think it would be well whatever he was
talking about having the Goblet of Fire draw again, for
everyone to have two champions.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I was like, you know what, that was actually pretty
solid to me, Like I feel like, why why could
we not? Why could we not have done this?

Speaker 1 (22:57):
And by the way, supposedly cheating is a normal part
of the Triwizard Tournament, and I guess that's kind of
this kind of falls back on what we were just
saying about the loophole. But I just thought that that
was a very solid thing.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
Now.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I would be so curious to know how that would
have like changed things if there were two champions, because
obviously I'm like, okay, now we're talking about we thought
it was gonna be three and now it's six.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
So I do wonder if they would have, like if
they would have kept the same task. But yeah, I
just thought it was a solid idea. And for him
to be like, oh, well, yeah, the Goblet of Fire
is out, it can't you know it won't come back
until until the next Triwizard tournament, I'm like, well, how
does the Goblin know what the next tournament is?

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Why don't you just just pretend that is another tournament
right now?

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Like how convenient?

Speaker 2 (23:45):
How convenient?

Speaker 5 (23:47):
I mean, honestly, I have to agree it would have
made more sense to have two champions from every school,
especially for I always mispronounced this bo Batons. Bobaton's the
French school. That's what we're gonna go with, the friend
Schiral because listen, let's be honest, Floor was not ready

(24:07):
like she I don't know what the Goblet was doing.
I don't know what it saw, but she should not
have had any part in that tournament. Like every time
I read this, I'm like, Floor, girl, what what are
you doing? Like you know, no, ma'am, you should have
stayed home. So maybe somebody else from her school would

(24:27):
have been helpful for them, because she was she was
out like the first five minutes of every task. It
seems like, so like why was she there?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
They could they could have given us women some better representation.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
I will, I will, I will say that like she
I mean, based on other things in the books, apparently
she is a pretty good witch. But that's not I mean,
it's almost not here exactly. It's like it's like comparing
book Jenny to movie Jenny. It's like it's like watching
them like someone who's only seen the movies trying to
later then the Jenny is actually a bad and they
would be like, you mean the girl that awkwardly tied

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Harry's shoe, Like, is that is.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
That the girl? I'm like, yes, but you don't know
the real Jenny.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
I feel like in some alternate universe flir Is, she
is amazing, but we just we just did not get
to see that.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
No we didn't. And I think she have like an
off year, yeah, literally, And I think having two contestants
per house would have been smart because these are deathly tasks,
like if you die then you're out. But it's like,
if you really wanted a tournament, if you had a pair,
and you really wanted your house to win or your
school to win, it would be perfect to have two

(25:43):
people so that when one goes, you're still in the
writing contest. But again, I think they didn't care about
the backup that like a backup, Like I mean, every
sport really has a team if you really look at it,
they have their first pick and then they have a backup.
Even in life, like you always have two people. Yeah,
the main person and then a backup in case anything happened.

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So they just wanted people to die. They didn't care, Like,
they just did it.

Speaker 5 (26:10):
They were here for the death.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Yeah, I'm convinced.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
I'm convinced.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
So do you think that if they did end up
doing six people, do you think they would have kept
the same task, because now we're talking what now we're
talking six dragons.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Now we're talking well.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I guess the lake. The lake wouldn't have changed. They
would have just had to kidnap more people. Yeah, when
you think about it, maybe other than the first task,
there wouldn't have been that much of a difference.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
It would have just been longer, right, Yeah, it would
have been more fair.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
But they're like, eh, you don't care howards.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
What is justice that does not exist?

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Oh my god, I just finished I just finished another
reread A Chamber of Secrets, and I just cannot get
over Hagrid being thrown in azkaband just so just I
was just like, like for him to straight it would
be like we have to do something. I'm like, oh,
but this man, Yeah, you should throw it in us
a guy in jail, no biggie.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
Like straight to prison like that always gets away with me.
There's no like county county lock up for whatever, holding
sell for him to wait out a trial, like straight
to prison with you.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
They like any any kind of intermediate No, you were
you were the groundskeeper.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
And now you get to go to the diventters.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Although we have no proof, but because you were accused
fifty years ago.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
There's a good chance that you did it again. So anyways,
this is not this book. Let's move on.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Yeah, the point is there's no justice, no jestice.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
So the podcast question the week the last time we
talked about this, the question was, what do you think,
hypothetically if the Tribe was a tournament, had existed without
age restrictions back in the air when Tom Riddle was
on Hogwarts, would he have entered and would he been selected?
So I picked the comment from silver Dough that says,
this is such a complex question. I think given the
level of skill Tom is described as having, he would

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have been a natural entry into the tournament and he'd
been solid contender to win it. If the age refection
was in place, he'd have been in his seventh year
at the time of the tournament. By seventh year, Tom
was sort of just biding his time at Hogwarts. Would
he been interested in something such as a Tribeizard tournament
or would he have been beneath him as aspirations that point.
I picked this because I don't think Tom would care enough.
I feel like he's to be trying to like become

(28:26):
his mini Hitler thing like he's I don't think he's
going to take the time to be in the Triwizard
tournament personally, But what do you what do you ladies think?

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I agree with this comment.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I am very torn because I can see the side
of Tom wanting people to know that he's powerful, but
at the same time, I also feel like he low
key didn't want people to know how powerful he and
this was, wait, this would have been Oh he would
have been in his seventh year.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Yeah, you know what, Yeah, I don't think he would
have cared about this tournament. Now I'm not.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
I'm thinking more about it because like in my seventh year,
he's like he's Valdemore, Like like this tournament. He would
get through this so easily, Like it wouldn't even So
I feel like now I do feel like if there
were like an ulterior motive, right, like if he was
still trying to have like connections to the ministry, like
if he was still trying to do something like that, maybe,

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But do I think that he.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Would have competed to show that he was a great wizard.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Nah, it would have been too easy for him. And
then what you win honor, you win money, you win
all the things. Like I feel like he already had
his loyalty established so far, so this would kind of
distract him because then he'd be known forever as like oh,
you wanted to try with a tournament and then you
went evil. Like no, I don't feel like this worked

(29:48):
for him, you know what I'm saying, Like that'd be
too much eyes on him, and then Voldemort would not
have been as powerful as he was now if he
did enter something like that and didn't win, because he'd
be famous already.

Speaker 5 (30:03):
Yeah. No, I don't think it's his style at all.
And like what would he do it like just go
through and a k everybody and then he wins. So
me and I feel like he.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Would have killed the dragon, like the dragon would have
just like what I.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Don't even know if I could would kill a dragon.
We don't got to talk about that. Listeners feel free
to to chime in.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
But I just think he would have I think he
would he would have done it would have been like
he would have killed the dragon. He would have like
done some kind of magic that would have like lifted
all of the water from the lake and he would
have just like walked.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
He would have been like accio, yeah, And then I
don't know, and then the yeah and the third one
and what was that? That was the note thank you,
the maze the funnel Ya listen, you're not only having
the words will we get on these podcasts and I
need them? But yeah, and then in the maze, like
he would have done something like rose up to the.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Top spotted and then spotted the cup and then just
like flew to it, like it just would have been done. Yeah,
it would have been child's play for him.

Speaker 5 (31:15):
Yeah, like everybody would be all set up to watch
and then it would be over in a second.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, people people just getting in their seats.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
I do think if Odd, out of all of the challenges,
that maybe the maze probably would have intrigued him, like
because he's still cunning and wise, like he would like, oh,
how quickly could I win this? Or how quickly could
I mysteriously make it where it looked like it could
have been like not a struggle, but like he would
be intrigued. Out of all of the challenges, this one
would like catch his eyes. So I feel like if

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he were to have done it, this one would have
been into everyone because he could show how smart he
is to get in it and out so quickly versus
like four hour however long it took everybody, like it
felt like it was there for days, but whatever time
is slot it would have been like even like okay,
and I'm like, oh okay, yeah, yeah, here we go.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, hey listen, if it were me, I would still
be in there, So I mean years later and they're crying.
I can't get out.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Oh my god, just send up the red sparks, girl,
just you put me in amaze.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I'm sending of red sparks immediately.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Just don't just go ahead, just come on, come on,
give me better, like I pay tribute, get me out.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
It was cute. I looked at.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
It, yeah, because I'm too afraid to turn the corner.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
First of all, like I don't I don't like anticipation
in any things. Like I'm the person where on the
super super super rare occasions that I watch a scary movie,
my husband is currently trying to convince me to see
The Conjuring, which I actually back in the day, I
used to love scary movies.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Love is a stretch. Back in the day, I used
to watch scary movies and The Conjuring was like one
of my favorites.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
But I am literally that person where like if I
get too scared, like I'm mute, so I don't have
to hear the music, like I just I don't like anticipation,
So the maze just would have been it would have
been a note for me.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Put me in the lake.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I probably could't handle the lake, but the maze nah.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
Yeah, imagine they were playing like creepy music through the maze,
like like sallowing, like like the Houseween or her house,
there was.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Creepy well, I mean there was creepy music in there,
so that would have freaky I mean maybe for movie purposes, yes,
but yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Think maybe in the I don't think there was music
like in the books.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
So silence, that's even more loud. That's like it's more scary.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yeah, when you could hear Flora screams, so you know
that was where you're.

Speaker 5 (33:41):
Sharing it echoes across the maze. I mean, I don't know. Listen,
I'm a Gryffindor, but I don't think I'm that kind
of Gryffindor like that. No, I mean, I don't know.
Maybe the out of the three, the maze might have
been the least intimating because one, I can't swim, so

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the lake is out for me automatically, like that's it.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Gilly weed.

Speaker 5 (34:05):
And then oh yeah does that help you swim though?

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, because you have the because you have the fins,
not the fins, the flipper feet whatever you call them.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Well yeah, I guess so, yeah, I guess it does help. Okay,
I take that back then maybe I would do the
lake instead, go ahead to pick one. I definitely have
the dragon, though I'm that's not for me.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
I love when gryffind Or Shamani breaks down, like Okay,
now I'm not that kind of Gryffindor, Like this.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Is this is on the scale of like this is
where I.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Land listen, listen from a fellow. There's levels to being
a Gryffindor. Okay, you have hotter Gryffindor than you have Neville.
Then you have Ron and Hermione, all Gryffindors, all different
types of levels of what you can handle. And to
share this situation, I probably would be a Neville, like

(34:56):
I'm not amazed. I could do a dragon because that
seemed fun. I could definitely do the water because I
love to swim, but the maze like yeah what and
then like all the elements trying to come and attack me,
like trees are no longer my friend, it's no just
gave me out. Just I pay trip as you get out.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
So that would be my level of that's bad.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, I would do none of it. No, probably wouldn't
even watch it. I'm good.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Tracy is the logical Raven Cause off in the library, thinking,
look at these people out here.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Doing this mess. Look at this what I'm.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
Wanting to start before, Like, why am I gonna like
risk death for entertainment? No, that makes no sense to me.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
It's like, let me go ahead and write this paper
and hear about it in the Daily Prophit. Oh okay,
they lasted five seconds, I figured.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Yeah, oh lord, So going back to them in the
chamber really quickly. So all these adults, like supposed leaders,
higher ups whatever, are standing here arguing about how this happened,
and obviously they're super emotional because they're not listening to

(36:07):
what fake Moody is actually saying. And if they had
actually stopped for a minute to really think about it, logically,
they would have seen that what he said about the
cup being hoodwinked really made sense. And everybody just wants
to argue. But the thing that got me was when
Dumbledore says, well, what should we do? Nobody had anything
to say, So you're gonna complain, but you don't have

(36:28):
a better idea, Like what do you want besides the
second champion?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Okay, yeah that's what I was gonna say. I was like,
Carkerrov did give something. I fel like I'm defending him
way too much in this chapter. This is like the
only time I will ever hear if you defend this man.
But yeah, I was like he was the only one.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
That had any other kind of resolution.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
I mean, I think it was strange that, like they've
played this game so many times that they didn't have
an answer, Like the obvious answer would to be take
Harry out and replace him with another gryffindor like that's
the obvious answer, or if he did have to stay,
which we saw like guide him for real, like okay,

(37:08):
an exception to the rule, because Harry is obviously the
exception to every rule. So they again they just wanted
him to fail. Like I just wanted to watch it
and be like, is he gonna survive? Yes or no?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
There's been a scenario where they so Harry's in it,
They're like, yeah, we can't take him out. O.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Could there have been a scenario where they gave him.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Like one step down of a challenge And I know
that this would be this would maybe be embarrassing for him,
But is there a world where it's like, Harry, you're
gonna go and you're gonna go in here with the
dragon with Cedric. Okay, you're just gonna like have Cedric's back, Like,
was there no way to be like, Okay, here are
You're gonna compete, but you're not really gonna compete, And
they would just let everybody know that, Hey, Harry is

(37:53):
going to exist, like I'm air quoting, y'all, he's going
to compete in this tournament, but he's not really going
to compete, Like is there.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
We couldn't have done that, you guys.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
He's a boy who lives like he But then we
wouldn't be even here.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
He wouldn't be there.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Yeah, yeah, okay, true.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
I mean I get what you're saying. Though, where he
could have been it could have been like an exhibition
where he could have, like for the dragon, step in,
show his face, like maybe do a wand movement and
then leave the ring, and that says, hey, he competed
in the task. He didn't finish, He isn't incomplete, but

(38:32):
he was there. He did it. But I feel like
even if they had offered that option, Harry wouldn't have
taken it because he would have been too proud that
that Gryffindor pride would have been like, no, no, I'm
at least gonna attempt it, even though he was scared.
I don't think he would have taken that way out.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
You don't.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
You really think that, Harry?

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I don't know. No, I don't know. I don't Tracy,
do you do you think he wouldn't have either?

Speaker 5 (38:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I agree, I think I wouldn't he wouldn't have.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Okay, interesting, I don't know. I don't know what I think. Listeners,
let us know what you think.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
I don't know. Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I'm also not I'm not envisioning this where it's like
there was months before he actually even had to do
the first task.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
But if they had to tone him in that room, hey,
we're basically.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Gonna have you be like a dummy competitor, like you're
not really going You think that before he knew about
dragons or anything like, you think that he would have been.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Like nah, if I'm in here, I'm in here.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Interesting okay? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
And the reason why is because this, right, so, Harry's
all about legacy. If he becomes the first Potter to
get some kind of easy way out, that would disharn
honor his father, who was the youngest seeker in history
at Hawkwarts that would now make his family series Black

(39:50):
as Godfather look weak, Like, no, he is too prideful
for any kind of hand at or help where It's
just like even if the option was to get out
what's available, he would be like, no, I have to
do it, like I have to do it for myself,
for my father, for every Gryffindor before me, like I'm
not the one. Now if this was given to someone

(40:11):
else in like Gryffindor, like maybe Neville or Shameless or Dean,
one of them probably would have be like okay, yeah,
you know, and then still being having the Bragg and Rice,
It's like, well, I was the fourth contendent for the
you know try was a tournament, like they would probably
feel comfortable, but Harry like, no, he wouldn't have never

(40:31):
done it.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Okay, I can be like I can be like eighty
percent convinced, but there is there is part of me
this like Harry really just wanted to.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Watch this tournament, like he just he did not want
he did not want.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
To participate in this, And I agree he would not
want to be known as the guy who you know,
got the participation trophy I get that, but I don't
know if I would have been like I could just
step my foot and then go save with Ryan and Hermione.
Granted I met a Gryffindor, but yeah, okay, listeners, definitely
definitely let us know what y'all think. Another question that

(41:05):
I had is why is it even possible to confund
an object? Because and maybe I don't know that much
about the confundist charm, but in my in my mind,
it's always like you're confusing a person, and I just
feel like confusing an object like I just I feel

(41:26):
like this also ties back into all the things that
we've been saying about plot and how like you just
really had to make this convenient because I'm like confunding
an object.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Like why does this even make sense? Agreed?

Speaker 3 (41:39):
Yeah, it's like is it live goes back to that
you can, yeah, confuse something that doesn't have a brain.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Thank you that thank you.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
That's literally the point I'm trying to make, well, like
how are we confusing something that doesn't have a brain
like this was?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
This was this was just kind of annoying to me.

Speaker 5 (41:57):
But we know it doesn't have a brain, but it
sentient in some way. Because you know again they say
the goblet just went out. It will light itself again
when it's time for the next tournament. So, like you
asked earlier, Bianca, how does it know? Does somebody tell it?
Is there a spell to let it know? Hey, it's
time for the next tournament?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
This giving is it alive? I mean I have no answers.
I have none.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
And to that point, now that I think about it,
if you can confund it, then can't you just tell
it to turn back on so they could put more
names in there?

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Okay, thank you, okay, thank you. Can't you unconfunded? Can't
you read? Can you reconfunded? Can you double confund it?
Can you confund it? Confunded? Like?

Speaker 5 (42:46):
Is there a limit?

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Well?

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I thought it was like a one day a lifetime,
like it was only does it every whatever years it
is and it was only that one time and they
couldn't do it again. I thought that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
But if you can confund it, then you could make
it think that it was either time for a new
tournament or that it didn't pick like a very powerful
with I I don't remember if he said dark wizard,
if he just said a very powerful wizard. But I
also have just never really been able to come to
terms with the fact that Croude Junior is someone who
has been like in captivity without a wand, and yet

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he's so powerful.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
But plot, well, do you have to practice though? Like
is it necessary to practice to keep your magic?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
I would assume you.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Think it's the kind of thing like riding a bike.
I mean, I'm okay, Like magic, it's in you, so
you know, maybe there it's not like you don't lose
the capability, but the skill for sure. So you mean
to tell me that you think that if you were
a great dueler and like fifty years ago, let's say,
like you were known as like the best dueler of

(43:50):
all times, that you didn't duel anybody in fifty years
you mean to tell me that you think that you
could just hop in and be just as good as
you were fifty years ago.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
You're wizard?

Speaker 2 (43:59):
I mean maybe, yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
I mean I don't think right away, I would, you know,
bounce back. But it's just like a muscle like you said,
so like muscle memory, it would take a second, but
then it would come back really quickly. And I'm like,
oh yeah, like Okay, I can do this. You know,
just like any great athlete, if they trained for a
long period of time and then they took a break,
they wouldn't need a long time to retrain to get

(44:22):
back in shape to do what they have to do.
So I look at it the same way.

Speaker 5 (44:25):
And in the time he was freed, then maybe he
took that time to like brush up on his skills.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Okay, I don't buy it, but okay, and I know
there have been debates about this, and like the Order
of the Phoenix as well, with like all the well
the not the book the Order of the Phoenix, the
actual Order of the Phoenix, and how I mean, my
hot take is that that whole order was useless, but
that's another conversation.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
But how like you have all these people who have
not dueled since arguably the first Wizarding War, and then
like now, all of a sudden, they're coming back.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
And I mean, according that evidence supports what you guys
are saying that even if you haven't dueled, if you
learned at some point in your life, it will just
come back.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
But I don't know, I'm just not buying it.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
And we've heard Harry say too many times about how
he feels like everything has left his brain. I mean,
we we've seen we see these people fumbling spells all
the time.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
But that's okay, that's true. I can move on, we
can we can move on to the wizard that never fumbles. Dumble, dumble,
never fumble. I know, I tried to make that word.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It didn't work, Okay, Well, Dumbledore, So I just want
to point out how mature it was of him.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Because Moody was about to come for Corcorros's life.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Moody was ready to bring up the past and Dumbledore
was like alistair, like he's just shut it down. And
I was just like, good for you, Dumbledore, good for you,
because I would have been like when you gonna say that,
like what have been? You're ready? I would have been ready,

(46:02):
like let's see what Cockrock was gonna say. But I
just thought that was very I just thought that was
very mature at Dumbledore, because Moody was going for the
low blow. Crowd Junior played his role so well, like
I know, like we don't we don't actually get enough
of the real Moody in terms of like his personality
in my opinion, and I mean Crowds Junior he did

(46:23):
this to a t agreed agreed.

Speaker 5 (46:26):
So it's funny that we get this mention of crowd,
like Harry's looking at Crouch and he's noticing how ill
he looks, And this is like the beginnings of crowd
starting to, you know, fall ill. And I wonder if
anybody else has noticed that he's looking kind of sickly.
I wonder if that's why Dumbledore was like, are you

(46:47):
sure you don't want to stay the night? I wonder
if he noticed that he was looking kind of kind
of rough and had any suspicions if his illness was
connected to what was going on here.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
I think so. I think they said it. I don't
remember the exact line, but there.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Was something in there that to me basically said the
Dumbledore had noticed as well.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I mean, what's his name? What's the guy's name who
used to play for the Wasp bag men?

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (47:12):
He just.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
He's just like, I'm a kid again, I'm here to.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Have fun, Like, yeah, crowds looking a little rough, but
I don't care.

Speaker 5 (47:22):
It's fine, Yeah, Okay, he'll probably be fine.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It's okay.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
And speaking like bag men, it was to me a
little bit creepy. How excited he was about this tournament,
Like how ready he was to get moving and get
the rules set. When they're standing here debating about this
fourteen year old child who is going to do these
tasks that are meant for seventeen year old wizards, and

(47:52):
Bagman's just like, all right, let's go. This is exciting,
let's go. And I'm like, sir, this child is in
danger of dying. Do you not do you not understand that?
Do you not care? Like this is a serious discussion.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
No, he don't care. I digress. He has another celebrity.
You know, we already know that he likes to gamble.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
We end up finding that out, so like he has
another celebrity in here. He's like, I mean, it's if
social media for a thing. It's like he's here, he's
doing it for the gram.

Speaker 5 (48:20):
At this point, he's ready for all the pictures. Yeah,
going back to the rules for a minute. So crowd
says that they're going to be informed later about what
the first task is. It's like what a month or something?
A month away? Like how messed up is that? Why
do they not have like a list ready of what

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the task are going to be? Like like an orientation
booklet or something that says like for the first task,
like here's what to expect, or something like why did
they have to wait a month to even find out?
Just think that's a month of anticipation. You're supposed to
just go go to class like normal, act like your
death is not looming before you and just like it's

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no big deal. Like why do they have to wait
so long?

Speaker 4 (49:06):
This is again a typical day in a Wizarding world
as a student. The fact that Knowing questioned, it's just like, Okay,
they know.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
It's because we have to wait to the end of
the year.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
That's always when Baltimore strikes remember, like he always waits
for the end of the school year.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
So yeah, but I do like that.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
I know.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I also feel like that. I mean, and maybe this
is wrong for the for the champions, but I feel
like they could have also given them some stuff in between.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Right, like Okay, so they know what the first task is,
so they could be like we're not going to tell you,
but we're going to have you do like these activities,
you know what I mean, like just to kind of
like prepare them to kind of like you know, have
them training for you know, obviously, like I said, they're
not going to know what it is. But yeah, I agree,
like that would have driven me insane and I to

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believe it gets worse as the year progresses, because one
of them, I think it was like it was in
February and it was still like the year before. I
was like, I quit, just like like.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
How do you think I can focus on anything else?
How Like after I just slay very dramatic, after I
just slayed to dragon, I don't know what is coming
in this second task.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
It's it's a little bit outrageous to me. I mean,
I agree, they could have had like some warm up
tasks or like at least told them some spells that
they could be practicing, or they give them something, not
just have them walking around wondering. Okay, I wonder what
it's going to be for However, I'm not like that's

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that's I don't know, that's messed up to me.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
I agree, surprise, I agree, Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I like the point you make about being frustrating that
you know you're telling truth and that everyone thinks you're lying.
That's like one of my Like, I would it would
drive me nuts to be like I know I'm not
lying and everyone knows.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Yes, yeah, And it's so annoying because again, like I
feel like Carry keeps having to prove himself in the
Wizarding World, that like he does not want to be
what he's been known for, Like he just wants to
be here. He's excited to be here, Like he's like
what a whole world I didn't know anything about. He's

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ready to just do his part, but his fame in
his past no lodon. So that that's my biggest pet
peeve too, Like if I say that I'm not lying,
please believe me, because like what I have to lose
if I am lying? Like what do I win from this?
I have all the money in the world as Harry Potter,
my whole family left a whole bank account to myself.

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Like I don't need any more money, I don't need
any more power, I don't need any more fame. I
have all those things. I just want to be Harry.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
And sadly, even before the Residing World, this was still
happening to him. Remember all the all the instances with
the Dursleys where like oh, he was being chased by
the bullies, the hated up on the roof or you know,
like making his hair grow back. It's like he he
spends so much of his childhood basically defending himself and
trying to convince people that he is that he's telling

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the truth.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
Hashtag that's like, that's the most frustrating feeling in the world,
especially when you're a kid and everybody's convinced that you're
lying but you know that you're not. Like that's that's
the most Oh yeah, that's all I have to say
about that. I thought I was going. I thought I
was going somewhere that that was all.

Speaker 4 (52:31):
I think. It's even worse, like when they found out
that he wasn't lying and they were like, oh, okay,
well we believe you, Harry. Like when Ron finally believed
his best friend that he did not put his name
in the Goblin Fire, he was like, I always knew
that you really no, you didn't like no, you didn't
want that energy, Like you know what I'm saying, Like,
after all this time, everyone's like, oh, Harry didn't put

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his name in the Goblin Fire. I've been saying that, Like, yeah,
his name follows him, so he can't escape it anywhere.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
And apologize, Like like, where's the apology tour.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
There is no apology to literally.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
The same people didn't kill a Morning Mortal. They're like, eh,
sorry about that. You're not say that way.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
You can be my bad Hagrid.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
Anyway. So Harry's like he's trying to figure out why
this would happen. And MY thought was, Harry, are you
really surprised that this happened? Like, are you really surprised
that somebody might want you dead? Like this should come
as no shock to you. And I think this is
where we as the readers also realize that the threat

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of Voldemort is far beyond the actual physical being of
Voldemort himself, because if someone can get into the castle
and can fund the goblet, then anybody can get to him.
Anybody associated with Baldemore can get to him. And that's
that's super scary because you don't know who it is.
It could be anybody.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
And then you also have what happened in the three
years previous. So because I was thinking about this from
like the Prisoner of Azkaban perspective, and I was like, okay,
so technically we know that Baltimore is not in book three,
and we know that we start out the book thinking
that oh, serious is after Harry, and so part of
me is like, well, maybe Harry was like, well, I did.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Have one year of a break. As one and two,
Baltimore was coming for you, right, but like year three,
year three, he was like, you're three, Baltimore did come
after me.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Now, there were some other things that happened in year three,
but technically Baltimore did not come after Harry in year three,
So maybe he was just trying to be optimistic. He's like,
this is going to be my one uneventful year. Like
the main there's already an event and it ain't got
nothing to do with me. So maybe maybe that was
kind of kind of his thought process. And we do

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hear him say later on in the book with Ron
when he was like he thought it would have been
like really dramatic to say that someone was trying to
kill him, but which I'll talk more about that line later,
but I yeah, I just think that he just doesn't
want to believe it.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
He's just so ready for a normal, fun school year,
and yeah, that's not what he gets.

Speaker 5 (55:25):
He doesn't get it.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
He does not get it, not once or Harry. At
one point, I felt like, we need to like look
back at the timeline and be like, did he ever
even get like ninety.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Days like anyway, did he ever even get just like
ninety days of just I am just a student? Or
was it just always all right?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
The school year started, and now there's a mystery, which,
of course, which is what we all want because we're
readers and so we want the mystery right.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Right, Well, the first year, I think he had a
couple of months to kind of settle in before did he.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
What was the first trigger in the first the trigger?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
The first trigger in the first book was green Gosket
broken into well, oh yeah, Halloween, so that's September. Na, Nope, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
I think like a couple of months because school starts
September first, and then the Goblin and the Warlock thing
happened on Halloween, so thirty days to get me wet ish.
But then again, in between times, he had done his
first game. He almost died learning how to fly for

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quidditche like mild things. But no, he didn't really have
a break person.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
Yeah, it was just like he came in and hit
the ground running. It was chaos from the start.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
And speaking of chaos, let's talk about this Gryffinder common
room because the Gryffinders.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Are like they don't care that Harry did not put
his name and that goblet of fire.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
They are just so happy, which is also slightly concerning
maybe like we're like all the peers like, not not
one that was like, well, you know do they ain't
even really old enough for this, Like they designed this
game for you know, I think it was it sixteen
or was it seventeen that you had to be Yeah, yeah,

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like not one Gryffindor was like, Harry, you should really
try to get out of this. So the the common
room is lit with a Gryffindor party. They're ready to celebrate.
They're so excited for Harry. Where is Hermione? We know
where Ron is at. Where is Hermione?

Speaker 4 (57:41):
She's too busy getting you know, attention from I can't
think his name crumb crumb. Yeah, he's too busy, but
like fanning of.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
A crumb, they're not even there yet though, So like
I feel like this.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Is a plot hole because Okay, we're we're adults, right,
so we understand that we have lives outside of our friends,
but and Hogwarts, you don't have lives outside of your friends,
your whole your whole life is Hogwarts and quidditch and
like your friend like this is what it is. And
I'm like, you just found out your best friend who
was three years younger than the you know, the supposed

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age limit, and you're not waiting for him. And I
don't think it was anything malicious on Hermione. I honestly
think this was just a bloth hole. But it was
the first time that I thought about that. I was like,
Ron not being there cool, we knew where he was,
but like Hermione not being there makes no sense, Like
Hermione that Hermione that we know would have been like.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Harry, tell me what is going on? What happened? Why
was your name?

Speaker 7 (58:44):
Like?

Speaker 2 (58:45):
That was just to me that.

Speaker 5 (58:46):
Was a little off, Like where is Like we never
find out where she is?

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Do we?

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Mm hm? This whole scene, I was just I thought
she was gonna be with Ron. That would make sense.
If Ron's upset about the whole thing, she could be
consoling him. But he gets up there and she's on there,
and I thought it was kind of cool, not cool,
but interesting that he's in this whole group of people
and he just wants to go back to be with
Ron and Hermione and thinking, oh, they're the one people
are going to believe him. And then he gets up
there and Ron doesn't believe him, and it's just even

(59:12):
more heartbreaking. And I feel like Hermione up in there too.
In a way, it's also heartbreaking because it's like, usually
she's his.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
Right or die.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
The only thing I can think of is that she
doesn't want to be in the middle. Maybe she's like,
this is going to be a thing I can just tell,
let me not put myself there. But that doesn't seem
like Hermione to me, to completely avoid helping her friend.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Maybe she's in a library and we just don't know it.
Maybe she's like low key trying to figure out, like
how can we how can I help him? But before
I can suggest anything, let me do my research. Because Hermione,
as we know, she's a thinker. She thinks about everything.
So if she just went to Harry without a reason
of way out, he'd probably been like hello, like you're

(59:52):
the smartest one out of all of us, Like you
can't help me right now.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
So maybe that's.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Where Hermione is. She's figuring out how to get Harry,
but we just don't know where. I'm just going that's
what's happening in that Hermione's out there thinking and doing something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Hermioney's trying to figure it out.

Speaker 5 (01:00:12):
Maybe she's trying to find out if this has ever
happened before, if there's any like loophole. Maybe she's looking
up in law books if there's a loophole to get
him out of it. So maybe maybe you're right. I'm
an agree with Courtney. I'm going to go with you
and say she was looking for a way out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
She's in the restrict is at area in the library,
and she's trying to save her friends.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, I just think that this is a plot hole.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Because I think I more likely I think I also
think that. I also think that, like Tracy was saying,
like it we needed this moment to be really heartbreaking,
and it would not have been as heartbreaking if Hermione
were there to defend Harry like we needed it. We
needed it to be like he's trying to tell people
he didn't do he's trying to get out of this party.

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I don't know at some point he was just like
I don't remember if they said exactly how long he
was in this party.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
But in my head, I was like, Harry, I need
you to hold your around like okay, like if you
want to leave, like I need the sleeve. Yeah, because
it's just it made it seem like he just could.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Not and I was like, Okay, I know Harry's not
like he's not a violence, he's not an aggressive person,
but like I don't know, I just imagined, like get.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Off me, just like like I just in my head,
I'm like I would be so overstimulated from from.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
All of that, Like I I'm probably going off on
people at this point, like don't touch me.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Don't nobody else hug me, nobody else touch me, Like
I need to just go and be I need to
go be in my room. Where are my friends? Just yes? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:01:49):
So I speaking of the party, like do we find
it odd that not one person when they were in
the Great Hall and his name was called, like, not
one person cheered for him or anything. They were happy
for him, but suddenly now they want to party where.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
It's always time for party. I mean maybe they were
worried because they weren't sure if you can get in trouble.
Now that they know he's fine, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Tracy don't defend the Griffins.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
But did we really care if we get in trouble?
I mean, is it worth it? It depends on what
we're getting in trouble for, because if it's worth it,
then I feel.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
Like I could have seen Fred and in another in
another setting, I feel like I could have seen Fred
and George like cheering. Even if they would have cheered him,
they would have been like, okay, you know, but I
feel like initially, but I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Obviously, I guess it comes.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Down to you know, it was just it was shocked,
but mm hmm, yeah, there were just this whole chapter
is like the math.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Just don't math. Honestly, this is this is where I am.
And then you know, we get to we finally get.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
To Harry's room and there's Ron, and I just crack
up so hard every time he talks about how like
Ron's eyes were like in danger of disappearing because of
how much they kept rising, and you know, Ron is like, yeah,
I was thinking, well, if it was the cloak, you know,

(01:03:18):
it could have been me a you, we could have
both got.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Under the cloak. And I'm like, y'all know, I love
me some Ron, y'all know I'm going to defend Ron
until the day and my life in this earthly realm expires. Okay,
but Ron, baby, you couldn't You couldn't handle quidditch. Did
you even want to compete? Like? Did you? Did you
actually want.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Your name to be pulled from that goblet of fire?

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Is that what you wanted?

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
I think?

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
So? Elaborate please, Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
So the reason why I think so is because remember,
Ron is an outcast at home, So if his name
was pulled, he would finally get all the attention that
he's always wanted, and if he did do somewhat good,
like he would get the approval from his older brothers
that he never had, and everything would be about him,

(01:04:10):
and maybe the Weasley name would be you know, wipe
clean instead of being like what it is now, like
it would be even better. So I think he really
would have wanted his name to be pulled like eternal glory,
Like who wouldn't want that?

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
You know?

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
And out of all three of them, Harry, Ron and Hermione,
I would have seen like Ron be the one to
do it. Now could he do it on his own? Absolutely?

Speaker 8 (01:04:35):
Not?

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
Like we would need Hermione and Harry by him side
with Hagrid and everyone else to help him guide him
through this tournament. But I could see Ron being like, yeah, yeah,
I could do it. Can I do it by myself? No,
but like to hold it down, like yeah, I'll be
the fourth person.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Okayymany, it's a good argument.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
I really like your point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Courtney, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
The part of me is just like, do you really
think Harry even want to do it for the attention?
Or I think he's just hurt that he wasn't like
there wasn't something that they could do together, like you were saying,
he's an outcast at home. He feels like he's not
good enough, so he's like, oh, right now, my best
friend is doing this by myself, by himself.

Speaker 5 (01:05:17):
Like I think I think that on the surface, Ron
thought he wanted to compete, but later when we see
him realize like how serious this tournament really is, then
I think he realizes, oh, hey, maybe no, I didn't
want this. But I think initially the only thing Ron

(01:05:37):
saw was kind of like Courtney said, the glory and
the attention, and he didn't consider, hey again, you can die,
Like that's like there's a real chance that you're gonna die.
So I think he thought he wanted it. It's like
one of those things where you see something that you
think you want, then once you get it, you don't
really want it anymore. Yeah, I think that that would
have been the case for Ron. Had his name been called,

(01:05:59):
he would been initially like oh yay and glory, and
then once he got into the cast, he would have
been like, oh crap, this is not for me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah, no, that's that's that's that's essentially My line of
thinking is that I agree that even for his name
to be pulled out of the goblet of Fire, like,
I understand why in the in the moment, he feels
like he wanted that too, Like he would have he
would have wanted that attention, He would have wanted that glory.
But yeah, I think once reality has at once reality

(01:06:27):
set in, like Ron would have cracked under pressure. I mean,
Harry was about to crack under I listen. I would
have listened. I wouldn't even make it as far as
they did. So I'm saying this very humbly, but yeah,
just based off of what we see in the next
several years with and Quiddache is something that Ron has
been playing and loving for years and even with that,
like he just emotionally, especially for a long time, like

(01:06:50):
he couldn't handle it so and that I mean, well
we could argue if it was in front of the
whole school or not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
I know they do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
They do make it seem like every single person at
Hogwarts is out a quick match, but realistically we know
that's not true. But like the Triwizard Tournament, you're you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
It's not even just your school. You got multiple schools watching,
Like Ron, sit down, this is not it's not what
you wanted. I understand that you thought it was what
you wanted, but it's not Hermione. I don't think Hermione
would have wanted that either.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
I just think that you know, we've talked about I think,
like you know, Courtney having a point, like we know
we talked about different levels of Gryffindor and like Hermione
is brave in her own right, but she ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Let me sign up for the Triwizard Tournament.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Brain No, I feel like out of any of the
Gryffindors that would have outside of Harry like been thrust
it upon, Like I could see the Weasley twins like
oh for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
I mean they wanted it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Obviously they tried it, so like in my mind they
would be the perfect candidate for a tournament like this
to represent the house. But Hermione definitely not. She would
be like absolutely not and be like too, you know,
because she's grave, but she's also logical, so she logically like,

(01:08:06):
there's no way I would survive this alone.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
And yeah, yeah, do you guys think that if one
of the Weasley twins got in that they had that
they would have won against Flur and Cedric and Chi
I'm forgetting his name now, Crumb.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
I think definitely Flur, like she just sucks. Maybe not
Crumb because he's a real athlete, but Cedric. I feel
like maybe they could have been toe to toe as
far as like bravery and smart, because you remember the
Weasley twins like they are. They're funny and thoughtful and
they're playful, but they're also competitive. They're they're around brothers,

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and twins are competitive within themselves, so I feel like
this would be like a good stretch for them to
see how long or how far they would make it.
They definitely wouldn't have quit it any time. They would
have given it every single time.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I don't think wait were you Were you saying that
you think they would be or that it would be Crumb?

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
No, no, no, I don't think it would be any of them.
I just feel like, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
Would have been good.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Like they wouldn't have been Crumb because he's an athlete,
but fair Ground I think would have been a good
competitor with them because you can see them thinking logically,
like how can they strategize to get out of it?

Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
I think they might have had an edge too, since
they're identical, they could have switched off and nobody would know. Okay, yeah,
like not the same person, and you have twins? Come on,
I mean, Tracy, so you and your sister you never
switched places?

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
No, because you don't every want to think we're the
same person.

Speaker 5 (01:09:50):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
And I pretended to be my sister more times than
I can count, and we are not even twins.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Like Felicia. Like I'm not even kidding when people say
that they Felicia, I turned.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
My head like that that is literally how used to
I am being called Felicia? Or just like you know
situations where it's like listen, you you Felic should have died.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
Like is it sure they're pulling up an account of
story sharing Felicia Lens Yep, but he.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
I mean I could see that being something that they
could like tag team it. I see them tag taming it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
That's so smart.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
That definitely would have given them an edge.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
And cheating is normal in the drivers or tournament.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
So perfect Kennedy, like who would question the twins, Like
unless you knew one without the other, like one friend
one George, Like they can easily play amongst themselves and others.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Weasley Wind would have been cool. Yeah, that would have
been really cool. All that money, Yeah, but that's that's
not what we get, is it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
You know, I don't all that money because are they
to at a job of taking care of his family?

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
But he not in this chapter. So I'm gonna leave
that there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
I'm gonna just leave that there. Why you keep having
all these kids that you can't afford them? Oh you
can get a race, but you're don't because you want
to play with muggo stuff. Stop now divorced, but let
me move on. Yeah, I know, I just I like author,
but you got me f up?

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
You feel me? No? Wow? Yeah I said it? I
said it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Listeners coming me into comments because I'm ready whenever y'all
want to do this, I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Okay, but let's not talk about author. Let's keep talking
about his son Ron.

Speaker 7 (01:11:35):
So if Harry, if Harry had actually told Ron, you know,
Harry has this thought like, oh you know, I feel
like it would have been very dramatic to be like
someone's trying to kill me, And I was like, actually, Harry, that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Would have been the one thing that Ron would have believed.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Ron loves himself a good conspiracy theory, like anytime someone
is like, oh, well, do you think this is happening,
Like Ron is the one who's always jumping on and
he's like, oh yeah that makes sense. Yeah it must
be Snape. Oh yeah, it has to be carcoer Off.
Like Ron is so ready to hop on any kind
of conspiracy theory, especially involving Harry. And I honestly think

(01:12:14):
that if he would have been like, I don't remember
who was the one who said it was a Moody,
Like if he would have been like, wait a minute,
Moody's reputation may not be the best right now, but
I think that if Harry would have been like that,
he could he even could have left it vague. He
could have been like, they suspect that someone put my
name in the goblet of Fire because someone is after me.

(01:12:36):
I honestly think that is the one thing. I'm not
saying Ron would have won hundred percent turned around, but
I think that Ron could have gotten behind that because well,
first of all, it's literally the truth. Let's start there,
that's actually what is happening. And also we have again,
like we are now in the fourth year. Yeah, this
is the fourth years. Every single year somebody has been

(01:12:59):
at Harry.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Like it's just not it's just not hard to believe
at this point. So I just thought it was interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
That, like, and to be honest with you, I feel
like the author, I feel like the author thought about
this because that's why she put that line in there
where she said, oh, I thought it would be dramatic
because in my head, I was like, Harry could have
said that, I would have been like, oh.

Speaker 5 (01:13:21):
Like it certainly couldn't have hurt, but voice maybe it's
a boy thing, Like there was no logic or anything here.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
I mean, it just shows the jealousy, like the secret
jealousy that he always had with Harry. Because if I
were a wrong. I would have definitely believed my best friend,
especially after being with him all summer and having a
good time and just being a kid and not having
tour about anything. Like he truly didn't want that. He
showed you that in the very first book, in book one,

(01:13:50):
when they were on the train and they were like
anything off to Charlie and he was like, oh no,
I'm good, and he was like, well take the whole lot,
Like he doesn't care about any of the stuff that's
attached to him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
But when you live in a house like.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Ron and you're having to compete with all of your siblings.

Speaker 5 (01:14:07):
I mean, I get your upset, you're jealous, whatever, But
the way he was just he was so nice, nasty
and like passive aggressive and just it almost would have
been better if he had come right out and just
like yelled at him or something or cursed him out
or whatever been done with it, rather than how he acts.
He acted like a giant baby.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
It's Ron though, like he's the emotional so if he
did throw a tang from day one, then he would
have nothing to fester with for the whole entire time.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Yeah, that's fair, but I agree, I agree with the
Corney said about the fact that Harry, like y'all are
this is again how many times on is beall are
going to say, this is the fourth year Harry has
proved himself to you, Like he is, like, what evidence
do you have that Harry has ever gone off and
did anything without you?

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Like that where especially that you talk about it, right
like obviously you and here he had you know you
you kind of had these like moments where you talked
about how cool it would have been to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
To enter into the tournament. So I just yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Love Ron, but this was definitely it was it was
disappointing and to be honest with you, and we we
actually find out this later right whenever Ron is like
he says something to the effect of, you know, I
kind of believe you the whole time, blah blah blah.
This is also one hundred percent one of those moments
when you know you don't have a lot of conviction
for what you're mad about, but you're committed and you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
Just got to stay in it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
I mean I know that, Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Yeah, like sometimes and sometimes it's.

Speaker 5 (01:15:37):
The ego you have to finish, but you exactly like
like that's that's the gryffindor again where you know, like
you're in the middle of the argument, it's in the
heat of the moment, and then you realize that you
might have misunderstood something you don't get you gotta keep
going because you're.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Like, and what's actually, what's so funny about that is
I am a huffle puff and my husband is the
is the gryffin door.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
It's very it's one hundred percent swap. Like if I'm
saying something and I'm just.

Speaker 1 (01:16:04):
Like blah blah blah blah blah, and then in my
head it's like Bianca, actually, actually that's not what he said,
and actually you're the one that's wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
I'm still finish the thought though, like I'm still like,
I'm still making these points. I am still making these points.
I'm still getting out what I have to say. And
then maybe later I will be like, maybe I misunderstood
what you said the first time.

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
Yeah I was thinking about it, and maybe yeah maybe
not definitely, but maybe maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
But maybe I'm too I would have done the same
thing I've been like, you know what, I know that
I'm wrong. I'm gonna let me finish and let me
tell you afterwards, Like I was wrong, but my way
just sounded better. So I had to let you know.
It's like, I'm sorry, but you know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:56):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Let me finish, explain he could have been let me
let me in some of the world, I would have
been right about this.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Allow my delusion to entertain you into I'm done, and
then I will agree with you that I'm wrong. Like,
let's just get past us together. I was wrong, Okay, cool.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
But I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:17:22):
I'm not agreed. See you're better than me because I'm
not agreeing that I was wrong. Like we'll this move
on like nothing, like nothing happened, Like no, I mean,
I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
I mean I would agree at the end. Like at
the end, I'm like, yeah, I was wrong, but who cares,
Like it's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:17:38):
Yeah, it's over now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Okay, fine, Tracy. Obviously all three of us are toxic.
So hopefully you're going to come in here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
And you're hopefully you're going to come in here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
And just and just be like, no, I would have
just admitted that I was wrong, and because of us,
I just like, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
I might have been a little bit wrong, but.

Speaker 4 (01:17:59):
You mean, three of us, There's no way that a
raven claw would be proudly to admit that she's wrong,
like they're wise, what are we talking about? She would
be like, no, not about and then my point about it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
That's the way about the we're talking about the way
Ron acted.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
Oh yeah, I wouldn't have been it was wrong, And
oh wow.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
I'm not surprised. She's a raven Claw. Come on, out
of all the houses raven Claw and Gryffindora and Slytherin. Wait,
way too proud.

Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
For to be like, yeah, you're right, like Bianca, you
staying the best chance at being the one to admit.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
No chance it got it. No, I will come back
later in a minute, but in the moment, never not
in a moment like I can't. I can't. I'm too committed.

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
And the heater bad like yeah, are more like the
love ahead of chill ones.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
The rest of us were just too hot headed.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
I feel it would feel bad, but I was still.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Like, no, well, luckily Ron is better than all of us.
I mean, yeah, he took his time, he did, he
did take his time, But no, I agree like that
whole passive aggressive like that, that to me is a
pet peeve like I am.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
I'm just I'm a very.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Direct communicator, and I don't do well with people beating around.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
The bush, like I just like say what you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Yeah, exactly like I don't. I don't have the patience
like I could not have handled.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
And especially for my friend because and I study, I said,
an even higher expectation for my friends, like my friends
like you know, don't even text me and be like hey,
what's up, Like you don't even like me what you
want exactly like that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Just that just really had to suck, Like that whole
he's getting in the common room. I was laughing at
how it was like Ron was watching him struggle to
get the thing from around this net.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I was like, I leught that we had to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Specifically point out that Ron could have offered to help you,
but not he just he sits there and watches your struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
He has this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Weird smile on his face. He's being passive aggressive. I'm
like that that actually would have been the thing that
would have sent me over the edge.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Like not even that you thought I was lying. The
way that you reacted, that is what would have sent
to me over the edge.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
But was anyone like kind of like you're a wizard,
maybe use magic to untie it, Like, I just.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
I never thought about that. I know, no Hermione probably
would have.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
Yeah, I mean no, but Ron's attitude though, I mean,
let's be honest, it's not so fourteen year old boy.
The communication skills are not there, so he can't exactly
come out and have a rational conversation with Harry about
how he's feeling because they don't talk about their feelings.

(01:20:47):
So I mean, obviously, yeah, he's gonna he's gonna be
a little passive aggressive, But it's just, I mean, he
has to have some common sense, like this is your
best friend, this is this is the guy. You're supposed
to know him better than almost anybody, Like you should
know that he's not lying. But again, he's in it,

(01:21:08):
so he can't admit that he's wrong. He can't. Yeah,
it's just it's a whole mess. Yeah, agreed, what a mess.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
It just sucks he needed someone to hate because he
knows at home, I feel like at home he already
knows like he's against nobody. But with his best friend Harry,
like now he gets to be the one that's upset,
or he gets the one, you know, to be calling
all the shots and have the attention on him like
oh yeah, like he could never like this was his

(01:21:36):
time to shine. And when it came to Harry and
he read with it because he knew that at home,
none of this would have red went very far at all.
What sucks because again Harry just wants someone to love
him and he does not get it without torture.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
First. Harry always just needs someone to love him.

Speaker 5 (01:21:54):
But poor Harry, he just needs a hug.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Harry needs a hug.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Could be the theme of pretty much last one of
these folks. I mean, everyone wants to adopt Harry, be like,
come here, just come here, I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I'll feed you. I won't walk you in a cupboard. Yeah,
the owl outside. It's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:22:16):
Before you go up with danger, let me feed you first.
Let me give you a word of encouragement to then
go and do slady dry going to do whatever you
have to do. And then I have food waiting for you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
So yeah, for Harry.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
Oh Harry, very last poy I think we're going to
make is that for Cat. There was some ring theory
in here because this chapter Ron doesn't believe Harry, and
this chapter seventeen a goblet of fire, and I believe
either around seventeen or if not the same type number.
In Deathly Hallows, Ron leaves Hermione and Harry in the woods.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
It is chapter sixteen. I looked it up so very close, Ron,
and it's in that and I noticed you in that
chapter of definitely how it's also Ron wrestling with frustration
and jealousy. So it makes a nice little neat circle

(01:23:10):
good call.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Out Tracy and his feelings. Mmmm.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
This again is where like some kind of wizard therapy
would really come in handy because he could have gone
and talked to the counselor and been like, hey, I'm
really angry about this. You know, what should I do?
Or like a student at vice line or something like
what should I do? Should I confront my best friend?
Like what do I do?

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
Girls? Safety? Mental health? These things are just don't nobody care, Hogwards,
don'tbody care.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
In the wisdom world, They're like, you got magic to replace,
you got magic.

Speaker 6 (01:23:49):
You can obliviate, just obliviate all the oh my god,
wow you know okay, well mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:24:00):
That's ashamed you because it would have been so helpful
for Harry too, because when he had no one else
to talk to, you go to the student counselor, but here,
we are here, we are Well that's the end of
the chapter. Real wow, like that that was quite a ride,
like and it was a shorter chapter that so that

(01:24:21):
was quite a ride for a shorter chapter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
So Courtney, I mean, we want to thank you for
being here today. We hope you had a good time.
You were fantastic, and I hope you had fun. Is
there somewhere that the listeners can maybe find you online?
Is there like a website you want to plug or
you on socials? Like where can they find you if
they want to follow you?

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:24:44):
Well, first of all, ladies, I just want to say
I had an amazing time chatting with you guys. This
was a fun and emotional chapter, Like wow, unpacked so much.
And you guys can find me on all social channels
under my name magically Courtney. I am on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube,
all of the things under magically, So that's where you

(01:25:06):
can find me.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Yeah, I'm definitely going to be going to follow after this.
I just I love following off Harry Potter things online.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
It just it just makes my life better. So thank you.
Shout out to the Harry Potter creators out there. We
love y'all. You're our tribe, yes exactly you. You are
our people and we are here for it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
So for those of you who are in anticipation about
what we will be talking about next, our next episode
is going to be a chapter revisit of Chamber of Secrets,
chapter five, the Womping Willow Good chapter.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
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you can follow us on pretty much any social media
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competition is fierce, and I'm voting for I Think is Alive.
We'll see what happens.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
I definitely think is it Alive?

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Remember to subscribe, save and share this episode with all
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one hundred. I'm Tracy, I'm Bianca.

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hundred and seventy of Alohimra Harry.

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Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
I had like an outlandish amount of like purple, Like
I hat on this purple shirt, this is my purple
water bottle, this is my purple mouse.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
My color in the dock is purple.

Speaker 8 (01:27:10):
I am just like I'm like I'm putting my phone case.
I'm like Bianca and like purple. If someone were to
be like, what's your favorite color?

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
I would be like I don't have one, and it
would be like okay.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
No what oh wow

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