GOF, 21 Revisit: The Real House-Elves of Hogwarts

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
This is episode four hundred and sixty two of Aloha
Mora for July twenty six, twenty and twenty five. Welcome

(00:39):
to another episode of Aloha Mora at the Fandom's original
Harry Potter book Club. I'm Alison Sigurd, I'm Ashra Chelder,
and I'm the Uncle Lynch and I am super excited
to introduce Alexa Rowe, who we have already been laughing
it up with so much before the official episode start. Welco,
Welcome Alexa.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hello, I'm so happy to be here. It's gonna be chaotic.
I can already Tella listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Buckle up, Alexa, go ahead and tell us a little
bit more about you. What's your Harry Potter story, your house,
all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Oh my gosh wow. Okay. So I am a content
creator who lives in LA.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
That sounds really boring and very stereotypical, but promise it's
fun and interesting. I like to make kind of like
sketch comedy content. And actually one of my first tiktoks
or reels that ever that hit a million views, which
was huge for me. I was so excited was a
video of me pretending to be Voldemort.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
And I was like I just was thinking about you
know the scene where it.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Says Tom Marvolo riddle and then you scribble it into
I'm Lord Boldemort. I was like imagining him as a
teenage boy writing in his journal, like how can I
like maake this week? So I did a little sketch
of me pretting to be Baltimore, like kicking my feet
and like writing that. And so I have a very
like Harry Potter is actually very connected I feel like
to my content current to myself who I am as

(02:03):
a person. Like if you know me, you know that
I'm a crazy Harry Potter fan. So obviously read the
books when I was really young. Was deeply traumatized at
age twelve reading the final Harry Potter book.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
We're going to get into that in this episode. Oh
my god.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
But yeah, just been a huge, big, huge Harry Potter nerd.
I played quidditch all through college. I was the president
of our quidditch club.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, I got our.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Club from like twenty people to like two hundred members.
Like we were out here grinding. Yeah, I know, I'm crazy,
but it was such a what a time to be alive.
It was so much fun. And yeah, that's kind of.
That's like a very fast blurb, a little bit about me.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
What's your house?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Oh well, it's this is not popular or cool to
say anymore, but every test I've taken says Gryffindor.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
It's not cool. I know it's lame. I'm sorry everyone.
Do you know how like.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
The fandom has changed, Like it used to be so
cool to beg gryffin Nord. Everyone wanted too gryff Nord.
Now like everyone's like, it's not I need the main character.
And I'm like, well, I.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Don't know what to tell you. So that's where we're at.

Speaker 3 (03:06):
We are, we are who we are, and you know,
some people think that they sort too soon, So maybe
we all just need to retake this test every year.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's actually so fair. What houses are you guys? I'm
curious too.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
I'm Hufflepuff okay, love puff Pride.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
I'm a gryffin Puff, I'm a hat.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
I can't do math.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
What do you mean?

Speaker 5 (03:36):
It's evenly split? And then I'm like, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Like the letters you know he liked?

Speaker 2 (03:42):
You mean?

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Okay, sorry, I do I know anything about math?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
No?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I'm an English teacher, so it's mostly gryffin doors. Oh God,
help me on this episode.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
It's fine, It's fine.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
I honestly love puff Puff so they really can like
handle anything they really.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I will, yes, like get me out of here. Christen.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
I'm married to a gryffinder, so like, honestly, I deal
with it every day anyway, so it's all good.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
Today's chapter is Goblet of Fire Chapter twenty one, The
House alf Liberation Front. The original episode number and date
is episode fifty nine downton Alfie from November twenty thirteen
with Kai Eric and special guest hosts Tigs Christy and
Michael Scott from What Are You Doing Movie.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Guys that was over four hundred episodes ago.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
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Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yay. All right, folks, somebody heard Bianca Did you say
that last time that I should get the chapter summaries forever?
Was that, Josh? Because because somebody heard heard, Tracy heard
was like, I got you. So here we go. All right,

(05:36):
let's do this. We're going back to Goblin Fire.

Speaker 6 (05:39):
Three tons should do it? Chapter revisit, got It Fuck?

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Chapter twenty one, The House Self Liberation Front. In the
aftermath of the first task, Harry basks in the golden
light of beating a dragon. He's got Ron back, he's
bragged a little too serious, and gryffind Or House is
throwing him a full party. The egg, with its screechy sounds,

(06:14):
is a problem for Harry. Three months from now, Hogwarts
remembers that, oh yeah, it's supposed to be educating these
young minds, not just throwing them into dangerous competitions. A
care of magical creatures and a divination lesson hint at
more headaches to come, but for now everyone is feeling
as good as they can. Hermione discovers the Hogwarts kitchens
and a surprise Dobby, Harry and his little friend have

(06:36):
a catchup where they also find Winky is now at Hogwarts,
much to her dismay. The ethics of housewolves is tricky,
but we can all agree with Ron that free cakes
are a great idea and Percy really doesn't have much
of a sense of humor. Great summary. There's a lot
that happens in this chapter. Yeah, and it really wasn't
that long either. Funny enough. No, we kind of just

(06:57):
go from like thing to thing to thing. Yeah, this
is why Goblet is one of the best books.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
But I totally agree with that.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Okay, I don't know if you were saughing because you
didn't agree.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Oh my god, No, you're like, she's so right.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
What's your favorite book?

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Honestly? I mean it's so hard. It's like picking between
my favorite children, But Goblet of Fire is probably the
one I've reread the most for sure.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
It's just so it's so good, it's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
So I fully, what are your guys, what are your favorites?

Speaker 1 (07:26):
My favorite is Order of the Phoenix.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
I mean Panttroversial. No, I don't think so. I think
it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
It kind of is sometimes because it's not the best.
I'm just kidding. I said what I said. I know,
I know.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Did you think Deadly Howls is your favorite?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's tied yeah, with Prisoners, the one where everyone that's
so crazy. It's so beautifully written though, it's just gorgeous writing.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's so painful to read.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I mean it is, but it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
No, I can tell. I can tell for sure.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
Her and Tracy they mean I'm a writer, so yeah,
that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Oh, actually, you being a writer makes way more sense. Yeah,
like writers love to be in there like sad feels.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, yep. What is your favorite book?

Speaker 5 (08:13):
I'm indecisive, like across the board when it comes to everything,
so I'm really bad when it comes to favorites. But
I would say probably Goblet, just like I leaned towards
that also my favorite movies. It kind of just like
went hand in hand. So that's usually what I'll say.
But like I'm a decisively it comes to anything, so
I really don't like picking and choosing things because it
changes like continuously. I can't say I can't tell you

(08:34):
what my favorite song is, like it changes my month.
It's really bad things like that.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Wait, what's your star song? Not to sounds so la
and asked that question.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
But I'm starius. I was on Friday period. Okay, I
was brough on Friday, December thirteenth, so you know, I'm
oh my cool and fun. That's why I have a
bunch of Friday thirteen tattoos thick.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Honestly, that's so cool.

Speaker 5 (08:56):
You can't really see them. I got the one recently.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
Anyways, every time I think of this movie, I think
of everyone's crazy haircuts, Like the hair journey is so bad.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Especially the hair is bad because it's bad prisoner no.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
Hair, it's great, Okay, okay, okay, see I agree with
you because I happen to like long hair.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
But it's too long.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
So crazy.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Your opinion. But they have to know exactly.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
They had to make that from prison. They had to
show that, like, hey, this.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Is already amazing, I am thriving, but it's too.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Long and it's too unkempt for all of them, and
I'm like, can somebody brush your hair.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
And that's why I love it. Like that's exactly.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
It's like the hair is getting its own character.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
I only just cut mine off recently. It was down
to like here, but I was like, I am too hot,
so I cut it off again. And now it's in
that's weird bob. But like, okay, you gotta to beleeve me.
It's fine, this weird bob. Yeah, that's exactly what I
want to say. And now it's in this weird bob

(10:21):
and I hate it like I didn't get the stilight. Yeah,
I just cut it off in the backyard.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Well speaking, let's go to the.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Speaking of speaking of bad hair, let's talk about the
aftermath of this first task, which actually has nothing to do, but.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
There's a great Yeah, thank you, Harry. I don't even
try anymore. I'm just like, I'm just gonna go for it.
So it okay.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
So a question that I had is like, if you're
thinking about these scenarios and we've all done it, like,
we're not gonna We're not gonna fake the funk here.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
We have all done this. Okay, we have been on
both sides of this. We know what it's like to
be acting like a little kiss up after you've made
a mistake, and we also know what it's like to
have someone else do that. And I do think it's
sweet that Harry appreciates Ron sort of overdoing the compliments.
But I'm just curious how do you all feel about that?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Like was it giving you the ig or were you like, oh,
that's sweet or something in between.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
I mean, for me, it feels very accurate to a
fourteen year old boy, like he's never he's never actually
gonna apologize, because fourteen year old boys don't really do that,
especially to their friends, right, Like, especially back in the nineties,
that was not happening, you know, like you didn't do that.
But I think it does really show just how apologetic

(11:39):
Ron is, right, Like he's really throwing himself into apologizing
in the way he knows how. And I think it's
kind of sweet, even though when he's like, the other
tasks can't be nearly as dangerous. I was like, oh,
sweet summer child, like you have no idea, my boy. Yeah,
I think that's where he took it a little bit
too far, Like you really think they made the first

(12:00):
task the hardest, Like Ron, this is.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Right now and for the record Allison. Ron did try
to apologize, but Harry cut him off. I just want
to I want to put that out there.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's true. He did. That's true. I forgot about that.
I mean, but that's a it's very fourteen year old boy,
and b it's kind of in some ways it's kind
of British to be like we're avoiding the actual emotion.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
That's so true.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Also not to bring up the star signs again, Like
I already hate myself and that's fine, we can judge me.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
But Ron is a pisce.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
He's and I feel like he's our emotional messy king.
Like Ron has always kind of been messy with his emotions,
even in the last book when he kind of like
pieces out for a while. I think what I really
like about this piece is like I've always liked this
about Harry's personality, Like he sees.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
What's happening, but he's like it's okay, Like that's my homie.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
Like he in a way, he's like very like emotionally
mature that way, because I feel like you could be like,
oh my god, I know you're kissing up and like
hang on to that anger, but like I don't know,
despite everything he's been through, like his friends are his everything,
and he's like, I'm gonna let him do this and
I'm not gonna make like. I like this plot point
because I like what it says about Harry. And what

(13:13):
I've always loved about the Harry Potter characters is that
they're all they're all kind of messy, they're all like
not perfect, and I like their flaws.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
And it makes them more interesting and more dynamic.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
And I kind of like this about Ron's character because
it's a bit more interesting to read, you know. I
also agree with what you said about the British and
the fourteen year old boy and then not talking about
the motions, Like, totally agree, but I can see how
people would.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Be, like, don't feel bad about bringing up astrology one
hundred percent to a full episode on that at one.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Point, I'm obsessed, okay, And yeah, always stuff like this happens.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I'm like, Pisces, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
So we also get this continuation. One of the great
things about Goblet is there are so many different red
herrings in this book, like they're just they're planted everywhere,
and we don't actually get the full the actual real
story until the very end, right, But we are so convinced,
mostly because the characters are so convinced that these different

(14:11):
people are possibly to blame. Right, And so we get
the one here about carker Off because they fill in
Ron on what they learned about him, and he's like,
of course he must have been the one to like
put you into the Goblet of Fire and or your name.
I guess he didn't actually like put Harry into the
Goblet of Fire. That would be weird. But it's just
it's one of the brilliant things here, And when you're

(14:34):
reading it for the first time, you don't really catch
it because you're so convinced with the characters. But then
when you reread it, you're like, it's so obvious, what
are you doing? It's great, It's just it's so well written.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah, I feel like at this point at book in
like in book four, and I'm not gonna lie, I
don't remember if I if I believed it was him
or not, I will be very host I don't remember,
but it definitely feels like this point after the last books,
I'm like, when has it ever been the obvious answer?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Like, it has literally never been the obvious answer.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
So I don't know, listeners, if any of you actually
did think it was Karkarov, I would be curious to
know your your thought process behind this. And of course,
once you've read the book so many times, it's when
you once you know you can't unknown, so of course
of course it's so obvious afterwards as well.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Do you guys remember the emotional turmoil of like thinking
Snape was bad in the sixth book, Like there's those
chapters where this is like kind of a tangent, but
it's like it comes out that Snape is evil, Like
we're fully convinced that Snape is evil and then we
find out, no, he's not evil.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Do you remember? Like that was such a I.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Mean, he's still kind of.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Discussion and I totally agree with you, but you know
what I mean, like he's like technically.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Side is on right? Well, I remember I remember the
book seven promos at like borders that they literally had
like posters with two sides that it was like Snape
good or bad, and they had like an illustration and
it was like it was everywhere for that book.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
They like ride for Snape so hard, and I'm like
we what, Like I'm I'm a personal.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Number one hater of Snape.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
I'm so sorry to the people who love him, but
I'm like, you can't bully children for like seven years.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Company, I feel so safe and sane.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I just think he sucks.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
And then Harry did this weird like fangirl moment where
he like named his children after all of his like
favorite teachers and sever sneaking into me was crazy.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
But diabolical actually just I mean, the the dumbest thing ever.
But you know, you know, I just thought about never mind,
because that's not related to this topic. I need to
move on. I just want to make it if there's
ever a world out there, if there's any fanfic out
there where Lily comes back and approaches Snape someone anybody
who is listening, it's out there.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
To me, because I need to delete it. I needed
to know. I needed to.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
See Lily like still off on Snape and be like,
that's how you treat myself. Yeah, like, that's that's I
just need to know. Yeah, it happens somewhere.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
That's it. Yeah. Yeah, no one.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Well, and speaking of parental parental figures, is that the
parental is that the rental?

Speaker 6 (17:22):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (17:22):
Okay, speaking of parentals I just got so happy and
so sad about Harry just gushing too Serious. He's like
he just couldn't help but give him a blow blade
blow of everything that happened with the Dragon, and I
was just thinking, like, oh my god, Like he's never
had this before, Like this is I mean obviously yeah,

(17:43):
because we're in Goblet now, so he just yeah, yeah, literally,
he's never had this before, and I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Away from him. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Weirdly, Goblet is the book. I always feel like Harry
and Serious have more of the relationship they would have
Slash could have had had things gone differently, where Harry
does really see Serious as you know, that parental figure.
He sees him as an uncle, right, He's not quite
as worried about Serious as he gets in Order, Like

(18:16):
in Order, Harry becomes almost the more adult figure in
a way because he's so worried about Serious and how
he's like stuck in his arrested development, you know, and
how all that's been brought up. So it's pretty tense o. Yeah.
Like in Goblet, though, Serious really is acting as like

(18:41):
Harry's uncle, his godfather, right, the role he's supposed to fill.
And yes they don't get to see each other, but
they're in pretty constant communication. Harry does things like this
where he's like, serious, let me tell you everything that happened.
I'm so excited. Here's the blow by blow of how
it all went down, right, and Serious is like just
as excited to kind of get that, you know. And

(19:03):
and even when Series comes to talk to him in
the fire, he he's focused more on like the advice.
He's focused on, here's what you need to do, and
here's kind of the bigger picture as well, and it's
just like this is how it should have been, right, Like,
this is how it should have.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Been for him, Yeah, she wanted to give us stop
before she was gonna rip it all away.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, yeah, had to because it really is had to
make us get happy before.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
And one thing I do love bubbing on episodes with
Allison is that Alison and Iowa was going to take
any opportunity to give a shout out to run in
Serious because they get a.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Lot of hate.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Ron gets a lot of hate and Serious they get
a lot of hate in the in the series. And
I just I love that you brought that up because
you know, like you said, like this is this is
this is goblet right, So this is literally this is
Serious is one book where I mean, he is still
on the run, but he's not He's not as on
the run.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
I don't even know what that means. You're not he's
not as on the run, but it makes that but
you're actually yeah, so like he's not as on the run.
And then also Baltimore is not back yet.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
So it's like this book was and said, I think
this was the only chance that we had to see like, okay, yeah,
Serious is you know, he is immature in a lot
of ways, but we also see, like Allison said, the
potential of what could have been before he ended up
getting you know, all his trauma put right back on

(20:31):
him another.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Wizarding or another you know, being stuck in the house.
So yeah, just stuck in his parents abusive household already
that he already yeah, so I just so yeah, just
a big shout out to Serious right here.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Love him.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
But I also I mean he also in this book
has one of the most beautiful moments I think at
the very end when Harry comes back from the graveyard
and Serious is like there, yeah right, and he I
mean as a dog. I think even when like there
are people who don't know who he is, like as
a dog, he even like puts his head on Harry's
knee and is like there to comfort him as a dog,

(21:09):
but also as like a person. Right, he he's the
one I think where he said like he kind of
gets after Dumbledore when Dumbledore says, tell me what happened,
and serious is like he doesn't need to do that
right now, right, He's like, no, like, let my let
my my godson recover for half a moment before you
retraumatize him, you know. And so it really is, that's

(21:32):
how it should have been. It's how it should have
been anyway, speaking being happy, they go back and the
Griffin doors are throwing a rager.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
For wait, you guys, have you guys seen a Very
Potter musical? Yeah? Oh really, you need to see it.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
If you got They basically like YouTube you and Darren Chris.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
I don't know if you're familiar with him.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
He was on Glee but he this was back before
he was famous, and he plays Harry Potter and they
essentially like it's like an SNL sketch of Harry Potter,
but Harry in this version called the Very Potter Musical
is like this total jock who doesn't do anything for
himself and everyone takes care of him.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
And this was the one part in the book where I.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Was like, yeah, they gotta ate with that, because like
Harry's like kind of having his jock celebratory moment and
everyone's like, yeah, you're the sickest, and he's like, I know,
and I just like I always used to love these
moments as a kid because I was like, he deserves this,
Like he goes through so much shit and he's always
in like going through the most traumatic things that could

(22:35):
ever happen to a person, and then when he has
these moments of like he kind of gets to be
like a mini celebrity at a school at the school
for a good reason.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
They always used to make me so happy.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
It's I love it. It's also like the most gryffin
thing to read, right. They're like food, fireworks, banners, and
Harry is also just like in this whole party. It
just cracks me up because I'm like, you're such a
gryfin Harry. He's such a procrastinator, Like he's like, I'm cool,
I got three months until this egg thing happens. Who cares. Right,

(23:09):
it's just and nobody else really does either except.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Her mind waiting for the last minute for the first
I should obviously do the thing that I did before.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Listen. It's called successful procrastinators, and we don't learn very
easily because I am slash one, was was one right,
like especially in high school successful procrastination. It's also funny
because I was I was thinking about this, and I

(23:41):
right before I took these notes, I'd been chatting with
a friend of mine, a writing friend of mine who
she has ADHD and her two kids do as well.
So we were talking about ADHD life and this kind
of like a deadline isn't real until it's right. Oh yeah,
it's a very like ADHD thing. And I was like,
of course, Gryffindor, he's probably like half kids with ADHD

(24:04):
at the least, Like if any house has like an
influx of them, is gonna be the Gryffindors with their
like lack of impulse control. And like, yeah, it was.
It was just very funny to think about, to be like, oh, yeah,
that tricks.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
We love you, We love your Gryffins, we do Yeah,
I love Asher. I love your comment here about the
other houses parties.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
I was thinking about that too, like the different vibes
of the different house parties. Do you guys ever end
up on that side of TikTok? I was for a
period of time where I was like, this is a party.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, party that was fun.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I don't know if did you guys ever, Like I
feel like the closest I got to this was like
quidditch parties when we were like when.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
I ran the Quidditch club, like we were not parties
all the time.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
And one time for Halloween, I was like kind of
seeing this guy and he dressed up as Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
And we went to this club.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
So he was like he had taken off his shirt
and he just had the robe and he tied the
tie around his head. And in my like drunken brain,
I was like, I'm partying.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
With Harry Potter right now. I was like, this is
as close as we'll ever get.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Is very but did you guys ever, like did you
ever go to like any like we used to throw
like mule ball parties and stuff like this, And you know,
in my delusional hat, I.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Was like, this is it's not my stick.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
I'd get bucked, But you guys ever have anything like that,
There were any Harry Potter parties, any dress up parties
or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
I did, I did, I guess I did organize one
when I was in high school. It was like a
church dance and it was all Harry Potter themed and
I win Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
That the church dance that was allowed.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, oh okay, six listen, listen Mormon's love.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Hairy way are they allowed?

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Oh yeah, okay, Oh my gosh, okay, that's cool, honestly, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
No, like listen also like every I mean, yeah, anyway,
that's a whole different story. When I go into college time,
where I worked at a restaurant where we also like
threw down a party once for like a Harry Potter
theme party. Anyway, that's a whole different stories anyway. Yeah, No,
it is funny to think about the different parties because

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like obviously Gryffindor you.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
Gotta rage, right.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Raven Clause, I feel like they're doing like board game nights,
but like intense board game nights or like pub trivia.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Like yeah, I think I think raven Claus are lit
as well.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I think everyone is lit in their own way. Well yeah,
but like the raven clause. If the raven Claus are
getting drunk, they're like spouting philosophy.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
I couldn't see that partying.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
But then they're also in the corner like have you
ever thought about how.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
This constantly like they're like having one of these like
that meme of the guy with like all the white
papers in the red string and he's like, yeah, that's
a drunk raven Claw.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Someone, someone at a raven Claw party has gotten drunk
and done the barbie. Do you guys ever think about that?

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Definitely? I definitely agree slither.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Let's see hufflepuffs. Hufflepuffs get very affectionate. No we don't.
I'm gonna say that we do not. What got huffpuff?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Are you.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
So? First of all before and no, we do not.
We do not get affectionate. Okay, we do everything that
y'all do.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
You gotta remember I feel like, no people like to
I understand that Hufflepuff has different traits like everyone else does.
But to me, the thing that will always stand out
the most is like Hufflepuff is very accepting of everyone else.
Right for the people people didn't fit like, we don't.
We do not fit into a box.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
We do not.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Okay, we are we are all I do feel so
you know, we got board games, we got booze, we
got you.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Guys have everything, Like I got a party.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Good job of anything else that started with a bee.
I feel like though, the like the centerpiece of a
hufflepuff party. It's gotta be food, man, Like you've got
the best food, hands down, Like cuddle up friends, we're
doing the great the best stuff.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Are you with the are you with the gryffinder party
or are you coming to hang out with the hufflepu.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
Well. I threw a Halloween party once a few years ago,
and I the reason I wanted to throw my own
party because I was mad that nobody had food at theirs.
I was like, that's not a fun party exactly. But
like I don't go to parties to dance or talk

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to people. I don't. I think I'll end the conversation there.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
So what do you go to parties to people?

Speaker 5 (28:48):
The mysterious third thing? Like partially no, because like this
is like a a family friendly podcast. Go to a
party for it to hopefully find connections if you will?

(29:08):
All right, all right, business business deals may have networking.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
What the Slytherin parties are the Slytherin parties are like
fancy like cocktail hour.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Also, I can also see Slytherin parties as like a
really crazy like underground German rave, Like it gives me
kind of that vine like crazy.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
And like maybe getting crazy to the point where you're
like is this safe? Like I don't know, I could
see that.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
To no, that's happening. But there's also like everyone in
the corner with like their mysterious.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Sure, I can see that, let's make a.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Let's make a sketchy deal totally.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Well, I think you can probably find that houses because yeah,
honestly I don't.

Speaker 5 (29:53):
But I don't go out and do things, so instead
I just sit home and.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
So and there would be I can part in all
the houses. You're gonna have the people who were like
in the thick of the party. You're gonna have the
people who were like the house skirts, and you're gonna
have the people who you were like where were you
last night?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Like you're you're in me. It's just like just like
in your life.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
It's not that Hogwarts isn't real, but it's fine.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
We can move on. But who is not in this
whole rager here is I love that Hermione is like,
Harry has to figure out the egg on his own,
and Harry's like, uh huh, because I did that with
the dragons.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
I love that too, and She's like and I.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Love that this. Yeah, this is really showing Hermione's like
evolution right where she's in between here of this like
very strict rule following, but her rules will bend, you know,
Like right now she's at the point where like everyone
has to follow the rules, but if it's my friend,
we can bend it a little bit, right, And by
the next book, she's gonna be like all out revolution.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah no for real, doesn't wait.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
No, that in this book is when she kind of
pulls the move with Rita Skeeter, right, well she does.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
I feel like that's kind of her point where she's
like all gloves are off.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
I mean, honestly, as someone who added everyone in the trio,
y'all know, like I am, like I am Hermione, And
I feel like even in books same when it comes
down to her friends versus the rules.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
And if they're in danger shield she'll break a rule.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah. That's also very like I feel like in a
way it's like very.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
I mean, I know, I know she's a Gryffindor.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
I think her deciding to break the rules for her
friends is very gryffin. But that's what kind of makes
her Gryffindor, not like a raven clar or something like that.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
And that's actually how that means even formed if you
think about it.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
I know, in the first book, like I know, like
literally they talked about how like they had dropping like
listening to Hermione lied to a teacher and they technically
weren't even friends yet.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
So no, that's what I like Hermione is she's like,
she's like, you think you know me, but I'm a
surprise you.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I agree. I love that about her too, though.

Speaker 4 (32:05):
That's one of my favorite quotes in all the books,
where there's like there's some things you can't go through
without becoming friends, and like taking down a mountain troll
is one of the most things.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
They're so cute.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I mean, you guys know I've said this before that
like I am Hermione like always. I was impeached as
fifth grade class president because I was too bossy. Yeah,
because yeah, for real, they wanted to impeach me. This
is tea So yeah, no, I do love though that
I love. It also shows her growing up though, right

(32:37):
where she's like and it's also relevant to this chapter
because it's like when she sees an underdog, especially, she's
gonna try and help them, no matter what that takes.
So Harry being the underdog of this competition, she's gone
out to help him. Right. She's gonna do the same
thing with the house Elves a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
She is always going to be like, there are the rules.
The rules are important, but we're gonna break the rules
when somebody needs a boost, basically unless it's Felix fileases,
but we won't go there because that's not this fun.
Well that's true, but that's a difference thing. Yeah, speaking
of things that are gold though, we have the egg
beautiful and Harry opens the egg and it is just

(33:20):
like screaming which same egg. And I thought it was
so funny that it's compared to the Ghost Orchestra.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
The musical song.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
So why do you think that comparison is made? Like
I'm thinking more on like a writing level, right, why
is there anything similar between like ghosts and that Death
Day party and The Mermaids.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
I thought she made the comparison to be like this
is a funny, magical reference but also literally just for comedy.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
That's how I kind of read it.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
But I don't know, maybe it was like deeper and
there's kind of like a like a foreboding tone of
that reference, because I guess like the next task is
obviously another risk of death, shocking, that we're gonna put
these fourteen year olds through.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Shocking yet again. But I don't know. That's that's how
I read it.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Yeah, the same for.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
Me, all right.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I do like though that Shamus and Neville's and kind
of George's reaction to it are very much they're projecting
certain things about themselves onto the sound and onto this egg.
So Seamus, right, Seamus is from Ireland, we know from
Prisoner of Azkaban. He's afraid of Banshee's and that's what
he's like, It's a band sheet, it has to be
that's what you have to take on next, right, very

(34:42):
much kind of like projecting his own fears on totally fascinating.

Speaker 7 (34:46):
And then Neville, I know it really is we learn
in order, and we learned from the lesson on the
unforgivable curses that Neville definitely has trauma that's aligned with torture,
and that's why he's like somebody's being tortured.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Right, Which this is kind of morbid, But I was like,
does Neville have a subconscious memory of what happened to
his parents? Kind of like Harry does, right, Like Harry
has his dreams about like Voldemort's laugh and that burst
of green light was Neville there? Do you think we know?
We don't know?

Speaker 3 (35:24):
That's interesting. I've never thought about that before. That's a
great question maybe.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Because could this this sound have triggered that, Like, you know,
I've you know, when you.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
I've read a lot of books, and I gotta tell you,
this is a book where the author could have written
so many different versions of this from so many different
characters perspectives, and I think we all would have been
like equally addicted because these are the types of questions
that really I'm just like, tell me, I need like

(36:01):
I need to understand why they said this line. I
need to understand what this was like from their perspective,
and of course they won't happen, but yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
A great question.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
This is totally a random aside. But I'm suddenly very
curious because like, obviously you guys are super well versed
in the Harry Potter universe and the fandom and whatever.
How do you guys feel about the HBO reboot of
Harry Potter happening?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
I'm not watching it, love I watch it, and probably
why I can't not watch it. I don't need it.
It's literally just Warner Brothers trying to use their only cash, right,
and there's been too much controversy with the author.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
To write that's actually a great point, like with all this, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of curious now that you mentioned that,
like how do you guys feel? And I don't know
if you want to cut this, Like I'm just honestly curious, like,
how do you feel doing a Harry Potter podcast since
that controversy has come out?

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Like because there's so obviously so much discourse and whatever.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
And I remember when Hollywood's Legacy came out, people were like,
don't even play it, Like very curious because obviously we
all have a very like intimate relationship with these books.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
So how do you guys cope with that? With all that?

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Are you You're referring to the author. Yeah, yeah, we
don't discuss it on do.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
You feel like, do you guys ever get like you
guys shouldn't even be doing this podcast anymore because it
like brings it It's like promoting for work in a way.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
It's it's I will say, it's been a really hard
five years to be doing this kind of stuff. And
there was a lot of especially when it was all
really blowing up and it was coming to light, there
was a lot of soul searching for a lot of us.
I know, I kind of came to the the conclusion that, like,

(37:52):
I mean, part of the problem was I think we
put her on a pedestal for far too long. This
is totally in aside, but uh, we put her on
a pedestal for too long, and people are fallible, and
so that causes a problem. I think the books are
still good and they still promote good things, things that

(38:13):
she is not living up to anymore. And in a
lot of ways, it's kind of I mean, there's a
literary theory called the author is dead right, where basically
it's you don't look at the work, you just look
at the work itself. Basically, you don't put the author
into it all in all all, and I think that's

(38:34):
kind of what has happened, is it's kind of been
like the books and the fandom to a certain degree,
are they belong to us?

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Right, they belong to us now. And I think that's
kind of how we approached it here. We had a
lot of decision talk about it the pod. Yes, So
we actually wrote a full statement, very cool and like
read it out and it's posted on our website. We
put it in the books that we wrote and that

(39:04):
we published. It's difficult, right, It's difficult because it's it's
very clear. Stephen Fry actually just talked about this, which
I thought was fascinating, and I think he worded it
very well, where she's she's obviously been radicalized, yeah somehow, Yeah,
it's well, yeah, I mean the thing I'm most disappointed

(39:26):
in is that she keeps doubling down and she seems
so well, and also that she seems so against even
just having a conversation with you. No, right, like, especially
at the beginning, there were a lot there, Don't get
me wrong, there were a lot of people who said
and did some really horrific and horrible things on the

(39:46):
other side as well. But there were also people that
reached out and said, hey, we'd like to just chat
because this is what x Y, you know, And they
were respectful and they were opening the door and she
slammed the door in their faces basically, and that I
think is maybe not the biggest issue, but a big issue.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Sorry, I didn't mean to totally divert.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
No, it's okay, it's okay. It is.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Obviously everyone who is a Harry Potter fan has dealt
with us in some capacity, so it's curious what your
guys take on it, especially like your whole brand.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
At least that's my my side from where I was
coming from, but Asher and Bianca probably have other perspectives
as well.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah I do, but it's also six o'clock, so I
want to keep going with the podcast.

Speaker 5 (40:29):
You're right, and I'm a trans man, so you know.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
Yeah, okay, so i'd actually be so curious. We can
talk about another time to hear your guys' perspectives on it,
but we can.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
To a virtual happy hour.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Okay, sounds good anyway.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
George, though, has probably the funny one where he says
it's Percy singing in the shower, which I think is hilarious,
but I also think is again says a lot about
George because the Beasley's probably only shared like one or
two bathrooms at the bar, like we never actually see
but I'm I'm assuming, you.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Know, this is my first time ever actually realizing that, Oh,
Percy sings in the shower. That's kind of nice. We
don't we don't see.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
A version of person in the shower like we would
never we would literally think of it as the opposite
like maybe everyone else does.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
And he's the one like, will you shut up? I'm
trying to write my you know what? So I actually
kind of like this moment of knowing that, like, look,
Percy sings in the shower, I'm not a person.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, I'm like, I'm mixed. I I feel like I
understand Percy's perspective. I think he took it too far.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
So yeah, he's obviously another one of those good old
controversial characters.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
So Harry.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Should have died instead of the twin. But we won't
go there, we yes, because how the heck does this
work right? How the heck is this safe to consume?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
This is my question safety? And how is that's cute?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
But like surely there's some governing body, maybe not like
the food food safety governing body in the Wizarding World.
So in the future, when the Twins own a shop
and they're selling this kind of thing, somebody has to

(42:33):
be like, this isn't gonna kill you right away? Right Wait,
why don't you think this is the same. Just because
someone turn a bird, well yeah, they eat it and
it turns them into.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
A bird, why is that unsafe compared to I mean,
I'm literally thinking about the things that they sell, and
I'm way more concerned about constant vomiting, Like I would
rather turn into a bird than.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Well that too, though any of the things they make
that are like I almost superboles.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Are I don't think they're unsafe like me. And also
they tested on themselves, so sure I sound like right now.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
George are truly two of my favorite characters because they
really said I'm not doing this by any rules. We're
going to become entrepreneurs, and then they become super successful
and I don't know there they're icons to me, and
book Ginny is also an icon to me, and I
love how she kind of like really babs with friend George.
It's so unfortunate what the movies did to Ginny. They

(43:38):
really said, wet blanket, zero personality. And I don't know why.
I think it's so sad. I think we missed out
so much on, so much fun with her and in
the movies. But I kind of love this scene with Fred.
I just love any scene that Fredd and George is
And I'm like, give me fourteen of them right now.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I love them. The twins also tell Hermione about the
house elves and how to get into the kitchens, and
once they figure out what she's doing that she's like
mining them for information. They're like, Nope, you can't do it.
You'll put it off there, You'll put them off their cooking.
And we have talked about this many times. But house

(44:19):
elves they're such a messy subject, right, I mean, they
come from a very specific type of folklore.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
They come from the Scottish and English folklore of brownies,
which that is they're very similar with Yeah, so brownies
are They're like they're almost like household spirits of the
type that it's it's folklore from from the UK and
basically they like are they like stick to a house
and they do things for that house, and a lot

(44:49):
of times, a lot of that folklore also goes into
like you're supposed to leave out food for them so
they don't want to be seen.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
That's so sad someone hopefully were a.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Little after time. Yeah. Yeah, but but there's I mean
they're wait, what is it.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
No, it's a it's a it's a series of books
slash a movie about like kids who like gained the
sight to like see fairies around.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
And like you say that that sounds familiar.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
I'm like, there's like six or seven books and it's
like them like being able to see fairies and like kind.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Of like book recommend.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
I mean, if you'd like to read them, they're like
they're very like kid from there. I would say they're
probably I think they're middle grade, probably even a little
more like to like the beginning of the Harry Potter
series in terms of like complexity, But they also had
a movie that came out like definitely lower on terms
of like complexity, but they're still.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Really Cutey Percy Jackson is upper middle grade.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
They're still really cute.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
That we also comparison like like tell me, tell me
what leve Child.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
Is are we talking about? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:05):
We're all like reading.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
And there was a movie that came out that was
also really good.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
So start with the movie.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
Done, Yeah, the movie.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
The way I see it is if you if you
like the movie, you're gonna like you're gonna love the book.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
That's see.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
I like always reading the book first, that you have
your own imagination. You're not told how to see it. See.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
I I struggle because I cannot stand reading an amazing
book and then see hor adaptation my whole I'm just
I'm swearing the entire movie.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
I'm just like, what is this this is? If it's
a good adaptation, then it's good.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
If it's a bad, those are amazing.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Don't We don't talk about that? Okay, they don't except
for Logan the Percy Jackson TV show though, hands down amazing, great,
great adaptation. But yeah, I mean it's that's that's balancing
adaptation though anyway. But yeah, So, so how's elves really

(47:14):
come from?

Speaker 6 (47:14):
This?

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Folklore? But especially literally? This comes up every time I
talk about how elves now because in our second companion book,
Kat and I argued for weeks about ourselves and how
we were gonna write about them, and how we were
gonna literal weeks, you guys, And because I think, especially
in the US, we take a very certain stance and

(47:37):
that is obviously they're enslaved. Therefore everything about that is
bad that in that condition. But it's it's so messy
because so many of the things like yes obviously, but no, well,
slavery is bad everywhere, but there's when you pull on

(47:58):
the folklore and like where these are set, it just
becomes so messy.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
Yeah, it's definitely not. I mean, it's it's a gray
a gray situation for sure. Like it reminds me of
was a Game of Thrones where there was that episode
where like where Denaris I want to say it was
Game of Thrones where she No, it was after that,

(48:24):
remember she went to that one town or town whatever
these things are called.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
Kind of and she was like trying to free people
and they were like yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
And then liked them and they were pissed like they
like they didn't want to. I don't, I don't. It
was a long time ago when I watched it, But
that's kind of what I think of, right. It's like
again like like it's not a gray situation, like obviously
for someone like Hermione she's like very black or white thinker, like, Okay, yeah,
you free them, now your life is better. But but

(48:54):
in reality, it's like that's all they know, and you
have just come up and so many about that too.
You see this come up in like so many other scenarios, right,
like taking a child from a book from a broken home, right,
even if that home is broken, they don't they don't
necessarily they don't necessarily want to leave. So it's yeah,
there is no it's.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
That they do that, honestly.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Even even in this chapter, it gets comportated, right because
they find Dobby again and Dobby's all excited, right, Dobby
loves to be free. Dobby wants to be paid. But
when he tells them how much Dumbledore offered him, right,
which was ten gallons and the down yeah he he

(49:40):
actually it literally says in the book, he shuddered, right,
like he can't even like fathom that. And so it's
it again. It gets complicated because these these creatures are
based on this folklore and and that's actually a very
that's like a big thing in the folklore of brownies
is like you can't offend them because if you offend them,

(50:01):
they'll leave and part of offending them actually, like offering
clothing is an offense, right, and then they'll leave, like
if you if you offer certain things or you do
certain things, or you don't do certain things, you'll offend
them and they'll leave. And not only will they leave,
they'll leave and they'll leave bad luck behind, right, And
so it's it just gets so complicated because we have

(50:23):
this very clear like slavery is bad and and Dobby
was abused and Winky as well, right, Like Winky was
abused as well, But then you also have this other
side of like, well, the ones that are at Hogwarts
seem to have much better lives. When Dobby asked to
be paid, he was paid, you know, like and so yeah,

(50:46):
I just gets so complicated it And it's one of
those things that it almost like when we try and
put the real world on like fantasy or folklore things,
sometimes it doesn't always line up the way.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
We sometimes That's the way I think about it too.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
I feel like a good comparison you guys can let
me know if this kind of makes sense, is like
the way we've liberated women over the years, you know,
like women in the past are very much like you
stay at home, you whatever, submissive.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
And now we're in this new age of feminism. There
were period We've gone through so many the pendulum has swung,
whatever is going on, and there is this idea where
some women are like, well, I want to be, you know,
a traditional housewife. I actually want to follow these things.
And it's kind of tough when you hear that as
a woman who is now liberated. We can vote, we

(51:35):
can own credit cards without needing our husband of you know,
all the deal, because it's like, do you genuinely want
those things for yourself because of who you are or
because of this systemic whatever you have internalized, misogyny whatever.
Are you truly liberated by making that choice. Some people

(51:55):
argue yes, and some people argue no. I think it's
so hard to say black and white foreveryone it is
one way or the other, because there is so much
history of oppression, and I think, obviously I'm only speaking
on this because this is the only way that I
could understand it. Yeah, but that's kind of how I
think about it, because it's like, yes, the problem is
it's so hard to decipher because obviously all of these

(52:17):
house elves have been enslaved. That is innately wrong, but
they all now have their own connection and trauma with that.
And it's too hard to say because at the end
of the day, you just want what is best for
them And clearly, like Winky does not want what's happening,
and whether or not that's because she's been brainwashed to
think that way. It's kind of like, who's to make

(52:38):
that decision for her at this point? I feel like
that's why it's so complex, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Yeah, And like and I know, whenever I like be
flashing back to my corporate days, I'd be like, why
did I want to work? I mean like what, I'm like,
uh wait, we said we wanted this instead of letting
somebody else handle it?

Speaker 2 (52:59):
What?

Speaker 3 (53:00):
But no, And I'm kind of kidding and also and
kind of not kidding, but I.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Mean, in New way Age feminism, it's like for every woman,
they should be able to make that choice.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
If you want to decide you don't have to work off, don't.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Yeah, but then you're not telling other women you also,
you know, like you.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
That's what it should be about, is it's about the choice.

Speaker 4 (53:17):
But the problem is, like I think a lot of
the time when people are making that choice, is it
genuinely what they want or is it because of these
other layers?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
And does it matter? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I mean we could flip that to the other side too, right,
like do you generally want to climb the corporate ladder?
Right or is that because totally yeah anyway, Yeah, it's
just it's so complex, it's so messy, and I think.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
It's cool it's so something this complicated to kids. I've
always said this, and especially like on our Disney podcast
talking about like the old Disney movies like Lion King
for example, like Simba's father dies in front of him.
That is objectively so traumatic. I mean, it's a plot
of Hamlet. It's messy, it's Shakespeare and New Disney movies

(54:01):
like they're so afraid to show that to children, like.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Like I feel like there hasn't been a villaines out,
like they're still so sad. It depends in Kanto, I
sobbed because in Ganto's all about generational trauma.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
But at the same time, the villain and Incanto like
the Grandma, Like, yes, it's very it very hits on
generational trauma, and I think that definitely strikes a chord
with millennials. But you can't say that what happens in
in Kanto is as like dark as like what happens.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
In Lion King, you know.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
And I think it's because they are afraid to show
that to kids. And I've always disagreed with that. I'm like,
don't hide the reality of life from children. I don't
think that protects them. It makes them unprepared.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
It's it's a it's a As a teacher, it's it's
a very I've seen a lot of this. It's a
very societal right where we've stopped letting kids at developmentally
appropriate at times learn about real We're trying to hide
everything from them and protect them from everything, because honestly,

(55:10):
kids are smart, kids are really smart. And for a
lot of kids, that's the first time maybe they learned
about death and what that means and what griefing is
when they saw, you know, the scene that we all
ball our eyes out in, which is Simba saying, right like,
we're all crying, it's because we're learning about that, and

(55:30):
so I mean, it is, it's a thing that's been
happening a lot is we're being very condescending to kids.

Speaker 4 (55:35):
I agree, when kids are very smart for kids, and like,
we could totally handle it emotionally, and I'm yeah, emotionally.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
But that's the thing and the thing is is is
fiction is a safe place to learn about and process
and come to understand these very heavy things, right.

Speaker 4 (55:57):
Like it teaches you so yeah, important things that when
you shield that from kids, you do them a huge disservice.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I think.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
But the other thing, it's like when everyone is like,
Bambi's mom dying traumatized me for life. I'll never show
my kid Bambi. I'm like, but that's a thing, Like,
but that's the thing that happened. Yeah, and like also
why did she die? She died because of violence.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Like, which is a part of one.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
So yeah, And so it's one of those things of
like kids are smart, don't talk down to them, right, like,
obviously do things and developmentally appropriate ways, because otherwise things
get real bad. Trust me, I know this as a teacher.
But those things help us process and learn when we
can especially use fiction to use that as a as

(56:47):
a as a way to first come in contact with
and start to understand those some of those tough things.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
And I think this all makes sense from like a
human personal perspective, but when you think about it from
a business perspective, of social media changed everything. Okay, back
in the day, you could be in your house talking
about movies and whatever. But now these companies don't want
to risk all these people bashing them, so like they're
they're i'm i'm air quoting, like they're playing it safe

(57:16):
because they could get away with that stuff a lot
more back in the day because maybe there was one
news release versus now where you have one video of
some you know, of some one person going viral talking
about this is so inappropriate for children, and now you
know it's Yeah, So it's just I think it's I
just think it's important to highlight that it's it's different

(57:37):
times and and speaking of a completely different perspective, another
question I never thought about because in terms of house elves,
we have Dobby, we have Winky, we have Hokey, right, like,
we don't really we don't. We don't see them behind
the scenes creature oh yeah, yeah, think you thank you.
Other than those four, we don't see the like behind
the scenes really of any other house elves lines. So
my question is if Dobby have been in a loving home,

(58:03):
would Dobby have still actually wanted to be free? Because
we we can understand anybody wanting to be a free
elf if you if you exactly like if you were
in Malfoy manor but like we don't and of course
we'll never know. And like I said, this is my
first time thinking about it, but it just made me wonder,
like does Dobby even want to be in free elf?

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Or does Dobby just want to get away almost at
the Dursleys, or does or does Dobby just want to
get away from the Malfoys, Like just like Alexa was saying,
like is this actually what you want? Or is it
just because you've been treated horribly? And all four of

(58:45):
those elves maybe hokey less, so we don't know much
about Hoki's condition, but the other three definitely came from
very well. I mean, you could you could make the
argument that creature didn't always feel that way, and he
people who did, like Regulus, genuinely cared about creature, right,

(59:05):
I mean Winky, I think to some degree Bardi Crouch
Junior probably in some degree genuinely cared about her, even
though he was a death eater, so he doesn't really care.
But any that gets messy too. But pretty much all
of the house elves we know come from like not
great households, which is interesting.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Household was that bad? If I'm being really honest, No,
I agree with.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
You, That's what I'm saying. And he just didn't. He
was showing face right like he because of that very
specific situation where he's like, oh my god, I cannot
be associated with anything. I don't necessarily think wiki Winky
came from like a horrible situation. Well even even at
even at the end, when Barti Krouch Junior tells a story,

(59:51):
right and he's telling about what happened, he talks about
how Winky was very caring for him, right, and they
seem to have a very kind yeah, And so it
is very interesting to think about that because, yeah, it
is almost like if we go back to like the
brownie folklore, is this what would happen if someone like

(01:00:13):
these creatures were real and they took the folklore and
they twisted it over time, like did house elves Maybe
at some point start more like how brownies are in folklore,
where they're just like at whatever house and people respectful
of them. They didn't like you know, they still did
their things where they like would help around the house
because that's what they like to do and that's what

(01:00:35):
they do. But then over time wizards kind of cracked
down on them more almost until they became what happened
here it man, We could go, We could go because
the Hawkwarts house elves, the Hawkwarts house elves don't seem
very upset, if that's the right word. They don't. They

(01:00:58):
they don't know any different.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
And they agree it's happened forever, so they don't know
another life. So it's hard to say do they want
or not want this? This is all they've known, this
is what they've been told that they are supposed to do,
So it's hard to say. It's almost like you'd have
to in this perfect world completely stop one generation, create
house elves outside of all of that and then see

(01:01:19):
what they want. But like, we obviously can't do that.
So it's that's why it becomes so complicated and messy.
I feel like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Listeners, let us let us know your thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
What are your thoughts are you? Are you a pro
freeing or not?

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah? Yeah, I think yeah, we'll probably get into a
little bit more at the end when we actually are talking,
jumped around a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
I'm laughing at how this comment and hear about how
late were 'all going to bed was like a rhetorical question,
and there's like seven bullet points. I'm like, I was
just I was just making a point that every time
I see Harry talking about going to bed at midnight
or when I am, I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Why are y'all always going to bed so late?

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
I do know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Here's the thing. Here's the thing about adolescent development. Okay,
adolescents are more for the most part, kind of wired.
They need they need a certain amount of sleep. Still, yes, sleep,
sleep is good for you, but they're almost more wired
for more like afternoon evening. Interestingly enough, California a few

(01:02:29):
years ago actually changed school start times because of the
science behind me. So now high schools can't start before.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Oh my god, I wish they did that when because
I was, yeah, like seven or something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Crop yeah, I think we started at seven thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
And my mom would have to like drag me out
of bed because I was guilty of this, Like I
would stay up till like five am, and I wanted
to sleep till like three PM, like it was bad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
So it was so hard, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
For I mean, I had to get up at five,
but so I went to bed fairly early because but
I also I would stay up and read a lot
when I was supposed to be asleep.

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
So I remember reading some article one time in a
class or something about a school in like maybe Turkey
that had pushed their start time for their students back
to like one or two PM and went until five
or six because they found that students are more better
at learning when the late afternoon as opposed to the
early morning.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
It's almost like we think all these things that we've
always done that don't make sense, and maybe change them.

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
I don't know me personally, and I have like a
ten AM sometimes got to sleep between five or six am,
and when I had used to get up at like
six and sixty seven when I was in high school,
I would go to bed at like four am. Itsh
It really depended on but I was how much homework
I had at the time and what time I got
home from school or like rehearsal or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
So do you guys ever think about too how much
we used to be able to do in high school?
Like I think back, and I'm like, I would get
her at seven am, eight different periods than at five pm.
I'd go to like my volleyball practice, then i would
go to my theater rehearsal. Then I'd come over and
go to bed and wake up the next day alive
and ready to go.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
I was like, no, before we were paying bills, baby,
that's amen, Amen, back before every part of the work.
It is interesting though, because so UK schools actually start
later usually too, and especially this is a boarding school,
like they have they have classes all the way up

(01:04:33):
until dinner at like five dang, right, Like the Hogwarts
schedule is is a little air. It's actually very funny.
I found some links like people broke it down on Tumblr,
like someone literally went through and like broke.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Down like this schedules.

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
Like mental disorder to do something like that, and I
love it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
It's amazing. Someone also went down and this is just
one of my favorite things of all time that's ever happened.
Someone figured out probably the exact time that Harry told Snape.
There's no need to exact day and time so that
everyone could like, but yes, September second, at ten am.

(01:05:14):
Every year, folks, freaks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Yeah. I do have to say when Harry does go
to sleep though, and he puts his little like dragon
like curls, He's like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Oh, dragons aren't so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
I'm like, so cute, yeah when they're the because he's like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Right in the high of his day, such a cutie.

Speaker 8 (01:05:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
It's also a very classic thing to be like, oh
my god, this was so hard and the wind was over.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
It was totally I agree exactly, it actually wasn't that bad.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Do I want to do it again? But it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
It's like it's like women are like babies.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Childbirth is painful, but you forget it so quickly. That's
why I'm like, people, yeah, literally, no, that's that's literal, like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Literally gaslight when it's like, girl, mom wasn't so bad,
and you're like, you're right, it was like the most
traumatic experience of your life.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
That's real. I like that is actually so petrifying to me,
So I like cannot imagine being like it wasn't that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
I just I just assume it's always like it, but
it was worth it, like not like I just like
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
That's but like from from my sisters, right, like directly
from my sisters who both have kids. They're like, yeah,
like it was painful, but you forget the bulk of.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
It, and there's like science. Your brain genuinely does that
because it wants you to keep reproducing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Wow. Yeah, it's nuts. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Look, basically is what we got.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Humans are so resilient though, like, honestly humans are. It's
kind of crazy. Yeah, it's speaking of resilience, let's talk
about screwts. Oh my god, yes, because this is a
new not a brain gallery.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Did you guys play the Harry Potter PC video games? Yes?
Do you asher?

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
Do you remember facing the blast ended screws and you
had to like they were shooting you out of their
butt like flaming fire, and you had to like hit
them on their backs and like push them on.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Do you remember this?

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
Is this? Are you talking about? Which game?

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
I think it was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
They put the screwts in Chamber of Secrets, or maybe they.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Weren't even called screws, but there was something very similar
to screws and they would shoot you from their butt.

Speaker 5 (01:07:33):
I played like Legacy and some of the Lego ones.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
I never played like the PC, like the OG like
two thousand one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Games, Alex and I told you he was fourteen, say, okay,
this was old Cots.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
But.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
This is just And I'm not going to stay here
because I know that Alison is gonna win a bet
on this. I'm just gonna say that this is another
example of Hagrid showing why he has no business being
a teacher and just why it makes no sense for
him to be doing any of these things that he's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
And I just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
I cannot wrap my brain around this whole idea of
I am here to be a teacher, I am here
to be a protector for these students, but instead I'm
gonna use I'm gonna take advantage of this opportunity and
I'm gonna go breed some animals because it's what I
want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
Nothing to do with the students, I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Think were crazy like trying to put them in the.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
Like no, like, I just I just cannot like you
and your own like personal fetishes for breeding dangerous creatures
versus actually helping the students learn. It's just really it's
really frustrating, like and I don't and I'm not saying
Rito was right, but I'm saying, like, when you actually
think about that moment where she's looking around and she's
seeing that the students are actually injured. I'm like, Hagrid.

(01:09:03):
I'm not saying Hagrid can't be your friend. Hagrid can
be your best friend. Arides, ride or die as a teacher. No,
absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
I'm a secnd, I'm a sevend, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna. I'm gonna support him a little bit. Here's
the thing. Are they appropriate for fourth years? Probably not? Okay,
I will give you that. But in a more advanced
care of magical creatures class, like at a new level,
maybe this actually could be really helpful, right, learning about

(01:09:34):
a new creature by observing and interacting with them, that
could be really helpful. Right. Hagrid's biggest issue is that
he doesn't quite understand adolescent development, and it's not entirely
his fault.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Though.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Number one, his development would have been different because he's
half giant, right, he would probably have not have gone
through the same development stages as fully human kids. Right.
Number Two, Hogwarts has no pedagogical or teacher training, which

(01:10:09):
is insane. Okay, they have zero kinds of teacher training,
zero requirements. You have to do to be qualified as
a teacher. And this is the exact kind of thing
that would have come up right where experimental creatures or
super dangerous creatures, probably we don't bring them to the

(01:10:31):
Forte Nelson. He broke the light. He wasn't even supposed
to make these, Chris let alone, we don't know that
he made them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
All right, we've crossed over to Lulu Land, so honestly,
like we're we just there is nowhere.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Nowhere in the text except for Rita's article, which is
not trustworthy, that says that Haggard Brownson, why do you
think that he turned red whenever Rita.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Said spot like he wasn't doing this above bar.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Yeah, I'm not saying that, but like I that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Doesn't mean the way I feel about this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
It's so interesting watching you guys talk about this because
I honestly kind of agree with both. Like, I love
Haggard so much. He's one of my favorite characters. I
love him so bad. But objectively he shouldn't be a teacher.
But that being said, I love him so much, and
I feel like I take the Harry Ron Hermiony perspective
of like he definitely shouldn't be doing this, but we

(01:11:29):
love him, so we want him to be happy, and like,
I want to be a part of this, and like,
and I agree with what you said, like unfortunately there
should have been some teacher training and like was this
about blah blah blah, Like I totally agree with you,
but also.

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Like, it's just so bad. It's great comedy, but it's
just so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
That's the thing is it's it's not necessarily good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:11:50):
I don't think it's sincesrely his fault, and I don't
think there's any ill intentions.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Well, I think it's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Just I'm just I'm sad somewhere. Listen, Hagrid could be
a really good teacher. He because he hasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
I honestly agree. He has care for.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
The kids, and he has he has album. That was
not the question. The question was whose false is it?
That's I'm getting there right, So the fault is probably
double right because and and the fact in this wizarding
world that there is zero teacher training or credentialing or
qualifications that have to be gone through before you are

(01:12:31):
allowed to be a teacher. It's a major issue.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
Yeah, right, But that doesn't make it. We could say
the same thing about Snape. Okay, Snape isn't a great
teacher exactly, yeah, and and but we and we are
so quick and obviously there are a lot of reasons.
There are a lot more reasons. I'm not even going
to act like Snape and Hagrid are like comparable in character,
but like, the fact of the matter is, we are
not going to sit here and pretend like every single book,

(01:12:59):
every book, every's one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Hagrid has put these children in danger. Hagrid has given
these children responsibility they had no business having none. And
I and and Hagrid, and Hagrid is so sweet, and
Hagrid is so kind, and like I said, as a friend,
as a homie, yes, but the fact that we keep
giving Hagrid responsibility matter of fact, not even a friend.
I'm taking it back, not even a friend, because because

(01:13:24):
that whole thing, when Norbert, are you serious? Why are
they in attention? Why are they at the top of
a tower? This is your dragon? No you're not. I
will never be convinced Hagrid is cool. He Hagrid is sweet.
But Hagrid ain't have no business doing eighty persons very therapy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
It's like intent versus impact. Those two things cannot be Yeah,
you have to consider both his intention. His intention is
never bad, and I agree he could be a freaking
amazing teacher, and in some ways he is, but we
we do ignore the impact of his teaching, which is
that there are lots of casualties they probably shouldn't be ignored.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
I'm not yeah, I'm not denying that, but I'm like, listen,
Hippogriffs would have been a really good lesson if he
had noted to actually teach you the potential skills. But
we're talking about That's what I'm saying. Yeah, No, I'm saying.
I'm saying, like, let's see, this dynamic is great, a little.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
Bit honestly awesome to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
It's that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Both Ballad Hagrid is a little bit to blame for this,
but I'm saying I think the bulk of the blame
lives other people for not doing that, because like, Hippogriffs
could have been a really great and cool lesson if
he knew, if he just had some like pedagogical structure, right, festival,
same thing, right, There are lots of different I mean, job.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
You're continuing to talk about potential and you could apply
this to every other character in the book, but no,
but doesn't make anything special about Hagrid. Oh well, if
Snake hadn't done this, Oh, if Harry hadn't win to
the ministry, then you know serious, we can apply ifs
to everything.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
That's the beauty of an if there's nothing solid about
what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the blame for
this is not solely and completely.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
I'll give you that, like absolutely dumbled Rush and fired him.
That's completely fair.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
But it is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Still an adult that repeatedly puts his bull on the
trio like that.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
That is the follow up there is that we're those
of us who want to are quick to hold Snape
accountable for all of his actions, and we acknowledge that
Dumbledore shouldn't have hired him. At the end of the day,
he makes the actions he makes out a teacher like
under his own free will. Why it is Hygrid any different.
He has proven to be, generally speaking, a quote unquote

(01:15:50):
normal and like you know, like able to like have
like like you know, like the capacity to be to
be educated, to become a teacher. But he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
It's the intent, I do agree, Like the thing that
doesn't make them different is the intent, Like Snape has
an intent to harm and bully, and Hagrid has an
intent to be Like I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Think these are really cool, and I think everyone else
will think them cool. The problem is.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
The impact is negative and it can't be ignored just
because his intent was good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
But that's what makes like. That's why Snape and him.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
At the end of the terrible analogy. At the end
of the day, if your kid dies from negligence or
dies because you did something, you probably I agree, and
you're still a parent. Like at the end of like,
either way, you still played it, like you still killed
your kid, regardless of whether or not you did it
on purpose or not. Like the end of the day,
he's still putting kids in danger, whether or not he's
intending impact you had.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
They both matter, They both matter.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
But I think they should be both held equally accountable
for their actions. Like Hagrid obviously just needs to be
probably he's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
And I don't think they're equal either. I think they
be taken into consideration.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
But they're e totally.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
If you if you're drunk driving and you actually kill someone, No,
you didn't intend to kill somebody, but like, okay, it
still happens. Yeah, they but the law does look at
that though, right, Like there there's a difference between manslaughter and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Okay, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
But then what's the difference between no, I'm kidding, I'm ready.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
I just want to get on the box for half
a second too and say, sometimes what kids want is
not what's best for them either, Okay, Like learning is work,
it is not entertainment, all right, Actually learning it is
not passive what to do with Hey, that was just
my teacher. It was my teacher, soapbox, because there's a

(01:17:46):
bit in there where like somebody is like they don't
want this or something, you know, like anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:17:52):
That wastablishing like like like a responsible like dynamic like
he makes it made all of these things into a
sort of game like like you didn't teach it's important
to respect himographs he taught let's pet them and ride
them as if it's like you know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
No, he taught. He taught them to just like he said,
do not insult them. Insulting them is dangerous. Here's how
you make sure you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
Don't insult like he was he was put it framing
it in a reference of all not this, but we
should study this animal to understand how this animal lives
in itself and its habitat. Like he's like, we're gonna
learn how we can make it like us so we
can ride it like there's two very different Like that's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:18:33):
I think it's interesting because I think the book addresses
this in that I think the third book addresses this
because something really bad happens because of Hagrid's teaching style,
and unfortunately it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
No, no, it happens down. No, something happens because Malfoy
is an idiot and he's trying to do any ripeness.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
That the environment that's established.

Speaker 8 (01:18:54):
I agree like Hagrid did introduce this dangerous I don't
where Malfoy hundred percent causes the problem, which we can't
take away, but the point is that Hagrid does expose
these kids to danger and.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
That kind of comes whether or not it's just that.
But you could spland him with this whole because unfortunately
it happens to a kid who has crazy parents, you know,
And I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
Well here's the thing you could You could say that
though about like science classes, right, if kids are working
with chemicals, I think, and they don't do what told
them to do or.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Science.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
There's also there's always a lab lab safety session and
things established like.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
But Hagrid doesn't like Hagrid doesn't even know himself. Okay,
he literally doesn't even know are capable, He doesn't grow.
They continue to kill each other.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
They continually the plot point that Hagrid is at teaching,
like that's intuitional.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
They yeah, he also doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
But I don't think it's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
I agree he.

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
Doesn't have the authority to be a teacher because he
like when it comes to lab safety, like the minute
someone acts up, you're out, Like he doesn't like he
is equally at fault for not like being the minute
Mouthfuy acted up, he should be like, okay, you're gone,
Like there's a level.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Of but he did, but it was too late.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
Like there's a level of like you have to establish
yourself as an authority figure and he doesn't have that.
He doesn't ever establish himself as that he.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Did, he tells, He tells Malfoy when Malfoy dress in
mouth off to him, he says, I'm a teacher, Malfoy.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
But no one sees Hagrid as that type of figure,
and that's yes, that's equals, that's that's equally a fault
of him ever being hired to be in a composition
where he's seen as an authority figure and has to
like control an environment that's like very like, yeah, able
to be very dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:20:42):
Hagrid's not equipped to present children with hippogriffs, and Malfoy
is a little pardon my language, who causes the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I think it's both both of those things.

Speaker 5 (01:20:52):
I mean, like, I feel like it's like, you know,
I'm sure Allison, you can say that it's very different
controlling environment where kids are working with dangerous chemicals versus like,
you know, something where they're like, you know, sitting in
a classroom environment like where they're just sitting down and
working with it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
It is, but I'll say this, I took woodshop in
high school.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
That's something that's very I feel like you have to
have great skills that maintaining control in a classroom to
not have a kid cutting their finger off.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Yes, that is true, that is absolutely true. But there's
also the thing of like which of teacher just retired
this year, so you know, there were threats sometimes there
were There was literally a one one time where a
group of kids were messing around with nail guns, and

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there was definitely a come to Jesus moment in the
back corner for a bit because yeah, no, but it's true,
but but it is, it was. But that's the thing is,
I'm saying that, like Haggard at least what the hippogriffs
did do that right, He told them hippogriffs can be dangerous.
You need to make sure you're doing these steps right.

(01:21:59):
You need to make sure that you are. And the
only person who rides it is Harry, right. Everybody else
just ends up like patting them and learning about it,
wonder why right and getting that kind of hand.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I mean, I don't wrong, I love that scene. It's
like one of my favorite scenes.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
But I think like canonically, Hagrid is not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Really equipped to be having these kind of lessons.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Yeah, let's talk about the job. Well just sucks in general,
and it's Rita Skeeter, She just sucks me like totally.
My question here is, all right, she's banned from the
grounds and yet she's here. Okay, even if she arrived
in beetle form, how is there not a spell that

(01:22:39):
like alerts someone when someone who is not allowed to
be on campus is on campus. Right, this seems like
a serious security loophole, and I'm like, what the starting
to wonder if it's almost intentional because press can kind
of be important, especially in this circumstance. It's a school,

(01:23:00):
it's a private situation. They can't they usually can't do that,
they can't come on there.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
Like that's assuming that there isn't someone controlling things that
bends the rules a lot. So like I could see
that Dumbledore have a logic because it's just gonna come
to something. It's a big like event like this, all
press is good press.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I don't think Dumbledore would. I know Dumbledore is the
one who said she couldn't be here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:26):
Again, she's getting through Dumbledore, the one who banned her.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
Yeah, Hagrid says, Dumbledore said you're not allowed on the
school ground.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Yeah, that's that's interesting to me, like specifically because it
was Dumbledore, because my first though was it's like when
you're banned, but you're like like my in my head,
I'm like, she's not really banned.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
He's just like, you know, get out, like don't we
don't we don't want to see you around here anymore.
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
I don't think she was actually like you are not
physically allowed to step foot. I just I don't think
it was that dramatic. To be honest, it should have been.

Speaker 4 (01:23:56):
And I know we all hate read a skeeter, but
I reading this back, I was like, honestly, her outfits
are so iconic, like she always looks so great.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
She's the worst. But I was kind of like obsessed
with the way Harry, Like. I love how Harry.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Like describes people sometimes I think it's really cute. He's like,
she's in this long flowing magenta cape with this like
fluffy I was like, oh my god, wow, she sounds
like glamorous. I know we hate her, but I was
kind of like rooting for her outfit.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Yeah, I just I think this, to a big extent,
this is in a lot of ways a not even
just misstep. It's more serious than that of children's privacy, right, Like,
I don't know, maybe there's like a loophole in that
if she's invited by someone and so like Malfoy and

(01:24:43):
his little cronies inviting her is but yeah, she basically
is a vampire she's bloodsucker, sucks.

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
I love how the trio like I heard that or
Hagrid like she's trying to like get the tea out
of them, and they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Nope, this is great and moving, you know sometimes, Like
I love when they do that. I think it's so cute,
very loyal.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Because they know she sucks and they know she'll twist.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
My eyes aren't listening with the ghost of my pulse
so good, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
I think that actually may have. I mean it probably
was the moment Dumbledore was like no, right, because he
felt like she really invaded Harry's privacy and especially like
children's privacy, and especially in the UK.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
She's a really interesting like symbol, like just general symbolism
for press and especially nowadays with like clickbait and like
we're gonna take these horrible updates about like whatever war
and genocide and whatever, and we're gonna just use a
headline that is as clickbaity as possible, and we're gonna
massage things however we want, especially in the digital age too,

(01:25:55):
where you're being bombarded with news, Like I think it's
really interesting how we we see this portrayal of the
US as not being reliable in Harry Potter, I think
that's that they did that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
All I gotta say is if there was wizarding social media,
Rita would have everyone in the wizarding world would be
following her.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Maybe I agree, but because because the tea, the tea
that would be spelled, people would be eating it all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Reader was not even like just tea. It's a whole
freaking meal.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Girl, What is you're at? What?

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Secret? What?

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Like? Secret? Gossip?

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Eyed ju?

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Does she run anonymously every She wouldn't even do it anonymously.
She wouldn't even care, Like she would just.

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Straight up be like, you know, just like hidden fear
of like everyone like like checking their menches, like be
literally being afraid of Like did Rita at me today?
Just like you know what? It's gossip girl was anonymous
minus that, like I feel like it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Would be I totally agree. I totally agree.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
And she would probably have like her own like army
of people who reported to her.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Yeah, probably like little birds and uh Game of Thrones situation, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Yep, yep, exactly. Oh man, now we go to divination right, yes, yes,
now we are another sketchy subject.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
Class and I just love that Harry acknowledges that divination
is fun again because of ron Ye. It's a very
relatable thing, Like it maybe like throw back to the
days where I worked in retail and like I would
go look at the schedule and see who I was
going to be, like a cashier with that day, and
like I at least knew if my night was going
to go by fast.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
It feel so boring, And yeah, it just reminds us
that whenever it comes to life, it really is all
about the people.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
So true, Like people really make like your job, even
if you hate your job, if you have some coworkers
that you really like, changed his whole experience.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
I also laughed at the she was talking about like various.

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
Ways in which Pluto could disrupt everyday life, especially like
living in la Like people say stuff like this and
they say it with their whole chest, Like, well, mercury
is in gatorade right now. So that's why it makes
this so funny to be somebody's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
But here's the thing, though, it's so crazy because every
divination thing, actually.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
Everything happens.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
It happens right here though, right because she's talking about
Pluto's effects, and so I always go and look it
up because I don't know enough, right, And so I
go look it up whenever we come across it. And
here's what I found about Pluto. Right. Pluto is a
force for change that can be destructive in its power.
Pluto is related to will and intense passion and has
a reputation for ruthlessness. As God, Yeah, Pluto is the

(01:28:59):
Roman name for hate. Pluto can help to bring our
deepest and most buried compulsions into the light. Its position
indicates areas of life that must ultimately become transformed as
part of the soul's evolution. On the lighter side, Pluto
is associated with renewal and rebirth. It represents endings and
new beginnings, as well as spiritual growth and rebirth. Negative

(01:29:20):
expression of Pluto is an obsessive desire for power and
control and general destructiveness. A positive expression is the ability
and desire to transform. So here we go, Bam. By
the end of this book, Boltimore is going to have
been resurrected because of his obsessive desire for power, control,
and immortality. Right, that's going to bring a lot of
destruction to both Harry and the rest of the world,

(01:29:45):
Harry and the entire Wisdom world is going to have
to try to transform, right, They're going to be pushed
into this new era basically by the end of the book.
And even that idea of like endings and new beginnings
really comes up specifically in the chapter the Parting of
the Ways. Right, even the phrase the parting of the
ways indicates endings and new beginnings and death is coming

(01:30:06):
for Harry. Right. Death is circling Harry. Cedric's gonna die,
and so is the remainder of Harry's innocence in childhood.
At the end of this book, it's so nuts to
me that everything Trelawnie says somehow actually comes.

Speaker 4 (01:30:22):
Have you guys ended up on the side of trick
dog of like the Tarot girls, They're like, you're seeing
this for a reason, like no hashtags like no, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
You don't have you have Asher because I'm a teacher,
And it's well, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
So funny because I feel like you end up on
this side of TikTok and for some reason, like everything
these girls are saying is like, somehow the truest thing
you've ever heard. They're like, you're going through this big
change in your life and it's because of and you're like,
oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
God, that's so true.

Speaker 4 (01:30:47):
I feel like that is so the vibe with this
like Pluto thing, Like it's just I always think it's
so interesting, like how people can textualize like something that's
kind of so big and out there, but suddenly they
make it makes sense for whatever it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:01):
Is, arguably in art form in the way that people
can adapt totally something I do firmly believe there are
people that generally have a gift, but like part for
some people the gift is being able to be general
enough that people can relate to it in their own
way easily. But I do some believe some people generally
do have the gift like to actually like have further
insight into things.

Speaker 8 (01:31:22):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
I agree, I honestly agree with you. And it seems
like Trelawney is that person, whether she intends it or not.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
But that's that's the thing is is I find it
so interesting from such a like writing perspective is in
worlds and in the narrative, it's she's so like seriously
but pretty much everything she says comes true in some
way or another, which is crazy, which is it's I
think it's very sure for sure, right that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
I also love.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Whatever she says is going to hint at.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
I love when she's talking about death or something in
Harry like purposefully yawns in her face.

Speaker 2 (01:31:57):
I was like, he's such a freaking eye.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
I also love. I also love when when she's like
being all mysterious and she's like, she's like I consulted,
you know, and what did I see? And Ron is
like I know.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Because I'm like, sorry, guys, this is the time of
day that I suddenly get resurrected by angels.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
It happens.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
So I'm sorry about these visuals. Yeah, this was actually
right on time for that this everything that we've discussed
will come true.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
That timing was impaccable. It's funny when you bring up
how like how when people do this in real life,
and it's so it's so general because.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
I know you're going through something hard and you're.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Like overcome and you know, but but abundance, Yeah, Trelawney
is not hers?

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Is not hers is a little bit more specific.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
But the reason I was bringing it up is because
I'm actually reading my very first even King book. Yes,
I'm reading Holly, and in the book, they're telling a
story of one of the girls and long story short,
she's vegan. She became vegan and then like her, something
really horrible happened to her where these people were like
throwing all these like Bible quotesed her that that aligned

(01:33:18):
with humans should be eating meat. And it was interesting
because basically there was a line in there that said,
no matter what your beliefs are, you can find something
in the Bible that supports it. And I was just like, Oh,
that's so yeah, and that's what That's what it made
me think of when we can like perception. Perception is
the wildest thing on planet Earth in my opinion, and

(01:33:41):
social media taught me that. Like, and I know you
get this Alexa as like as a content creator, when
you start when you start seeing things that people comment
on your videos, you actually start to question.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
Yes, literally make a TikTok tomorrow that says kicking orphans
in the face is bad. I saw some guys say this,
and someone will be in your comments being like what
about the orphans who asked for that? Yeah, we need
to go and touch grass. There was another girl who
brought this up famously, like some girl was making a
bean soup recipe, and one of the top comments was like,

(01:34:19):
what if I can't eat beans.

Speaker 8 (01:34:21):
Don't make a bean.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
This is a super recipe, Like we're getting we lose
the plot with with social media and like totally humans
are not designed to have that much no recipe. TikTok.
And when I tell you all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
Literally the title slow cooker recipe, what if I don't
have a slow cooker.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
People need a reality just so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
I'm literally like I'm like, I'm like this this this
world isn't real, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
I can't know my favorite how I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
I saw something swear yeah, where someone was making like
had posted a recipe for like carrot cake on like
a blog or something.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
This is so this is a while back and somebody
had come to and they're like, I carrots are unhealthy
and they're really full of bad like sugar and things.
So I replaced it with kale and this tasted. But
like the blog poster was like, it's because you replaced
it with kale.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Oh my god. Yeah, we got into the dang phones.
It really do be the phones.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
We'll never win And that's fine, No.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
You won't, you won't.

Speaker 4 (01:35:43):
It doesn't matter if you're out there being like we
should be nice to everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
No, No, it's over.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
It's because people just have to argue like yeah, Like
I think it's just the a general rash of being
I feel. I'm like you have tould like tell somebody off,
like you don't care. I will think it's just fun
to tell one they're wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Completely agree.

Speaker 4 (01:36:01):
It's interesting as a content creator, like because when you
create a video that does go viral, you're gonna get hate.
Like it's just a reality of it. And it's so
interesting if you ever actually respond to some of these comments,
because like I've got that out the way, people backtrack
and panic. They're really out here commenting like it's not
a person. Like there's such this disconnect on social media

(01:36:22):
that it's like I can say whatever, like you know
what I mean, I'm gonna say the most, and then
if you reply, a lot of the time people will
totally backtrack and be like I didn't mean it like that,
I'm so sorry, and you're like, oh, you forgot this
was a real person.

Speaker 5 (01:36:34):
On the other end, you find those like videos that
blow up with someone saying something really heinous.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
And wizarding social media well, let's go down to the kitchens.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
We're almost there, guys, we're talking about recipes.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Let's go. I just have to note that this is
the closest we ever get to the huff of the
room sad day. But I do have to say I
also find it hilarious that the chapter is named after
Ron's very throwaway and sarcastic new.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Name for totally right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Or he's like, what are we house of Liberation for?
I couldn't even think of what it was though. Wow,
I do have to say, though, I think it's very
important that he says we.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
That's cute.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
He includes his even subconsciously into the group and into
the cause, which, of course then is going to come
back in deathly hallows when he's the one who says
we need to make sure the house els get out
of here. I'm gonna say it also comes back because
who does he end up with? Ron? I already know
what's up. It's subconscious, so he's stupid about it. No, listen,

(01:37:47):
he's a fourteen year old boy, so he's stupid about it.
He hasn't like truly processed that. But like the boy
knew right, keep knew one first when you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Guys were like young, did you did you know? Like
were you?

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
Because I feel like when I was really young, first
reading this, I was like, oh, Harry and reminder, you're getting.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
Was because I was so young. You didn't think I
was because I was so young. But then and my
sister and I used to have like used to argue
about this all the time because I'd be like, she's
gonna end up with Harry and my sister's like, you're stupid.
She's gonna end up with the rod.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
There wasn't.

Speaker 4 (01:38:22):
I think it's like, when there's no chemistry with anyone,
you think, oh, boy will end up with lead girls.
But I thought it exactly because that's exactly yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
And then it gets very obvious, right when it's like, oh,
I'm I just saw your next question. Okay, last question?
How do you tickle a canvas? Because every time I
think about it, right, Like, I think about like the
sensation of like trying to do that on a canvas,

(01:38:56):
it literally sounds like send shivers down my spine, right
Like it's what I feel like it would feel like
to drag a nail across the understand.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
That's awesome. How do you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
I don't know, like because somebody please create a video.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
That's that's so. I never thought of it. I never
thought about that, not even joking guys, even talking about this.
I'm literally like tensing because like I like physically can
feel that sensation, and I hate it so much. I
get violent if someone tries to tickle me, like it
is bad. Like I'm telling you the part on the

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canvas like that, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
No, so you do kind of feel like put some
respect on the canvas, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
It's gotta have some like protect of coating.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
You gotta tickle just the right spot. That's the thing.
That's what they don't tell you in here. Or actually
maybe they did tell us that. They said tickle the pair, right,
I think it is almost one. Is it a fruit ball? Okay, yeah,
they didn't tell us the spot. The spot is the pair.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
I'm protect.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
We all know what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
I'm not gonna say it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
You all know.

Speaker 5 (01:40:33):
Those who know know, those who get it get it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
So this is what I don't get a see what
I did there, It was like no one thought that
was funny.

Speaker 1 (01:40:43):
All right, that's fine, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
So no things that we just don't get why didn't
Dobby go see Harry on his own before Hermione found
him in the kitchens? And this is also something else
that I didn't I didn't think about befo. But I'm like, so,
you mean to tell me you were in malfoy Manor
as a slave that was like physically being punished by

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yourself and possibly others every single day, and you could
make it to a little winging into Harry's uncle's house
and you mean to tell me that in Hogwarts where you're.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
Elk like what, I'm like, why did? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Way?

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
What am I miss? And I ain't so sweet?

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
And I don't like Dobby. You already know this. That's fine.
I don't like him, but whatever, because there's nothing to
like about him. He's annoying, you know, No, you know
he saved them at the end and that was just
one redeeming quality throughout the entire series.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
Shocking.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
No, he's he's extremely annoying.

Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
Yeah, to be funniest, it's so funny, it's so whatsoever.
It's not funny. You have to picture from an autside perspective,
and also then remember what it must have looked like
from please, because he's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
Like, yeah, it was Hagrid. I don't like him either,
all right, that's okay, we can move.

Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
I don't find him like a child at all. So
that supposed to mean he is not like a child.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
Like do we have who Dobby is? No clue, No,
but he also has like the brain function.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:42:35):
I love Dobby so much that when Dobby this is
so when Dobby dies in the last book, and I
was like twelve and I read that, and I was
so distraught about it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
I remember my mum was like driving me to swim
practice and we were having a race, and in the race,
like in.

Speaker 4 (01:42:49):
My head, I was like, I have to win this
race for Dobby.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
And I was in the pool guy sobbing. I was
sorry my breast.

Speaker 5 (01:43:00):
Meanwhile, zombies were chasing me, so I had to swim faster.

Speaker 2 (01:43:04):
That works too. It was a really big motivator for me.
It was Dobby and Fred.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
So I do think I do think like I do
think it was I mean, and also Ton right after
you just you know, like I'm not like I'm not.
I do think his death was sad, but my well, anyways,
back to the actual question, Harry.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Beforehand, I saw this in the notes and I literally
was like, but the video, here's here's what I came
up with. Okay, First, one thing I think we need
to note is that he says he's only been at
Hogwarts a week, so he hasn't been there very long,
and maybe he just like hadn't had a moment yet. Right.
He says he only has one day off the volume,

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so maybe that was his plan.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Is that the day that Harry.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
And also where the students sleep, Yes, but they do
it at night. Dare wait Harry about.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Forever?

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Here's the thing though, here's the thing elves are supposed
to No, no, I am not it specifically said that
the elves are supposed to stay hidden. Right, He's only
been there a week. Maybe he hasn't been like dispatched
to the griffin or common room yet, or maybe he
has like a mentor elf that he has been there

(01:44:27):
and so he can't like expose himself. I'm just saying
this could be why.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
He also explicitly asks Harry before Harry leaves the kitchens
if he can come see him. So I'm wondering if
Dobby learned from chamber right where you know, not counting
the very last time they saw each other where Harry
set him free. Their interactions in chamber, Harry was not

(01:44:54):
happy with right, Harry got really angry at him a lot.
So maybe he was like, maybe he wouldn't be happy
to see me, you know, and so maybe he just
hadn't quite gotten there yet is what I think is
probably the most plausible explanation.

Speaker 5 (01:45:08):
I'm just imagining him cleaning the door common room and
him like taking Harry's towel and turning into one of
the animals they deal on the cruise ship to get.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
To be like remember when.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
He turns it into a little snitch.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
So he Honestly, I cannot say anything without like I
can't be rational about Dobby, like I I understand what
you guys are saying, but I unfortunately have such a bias,
like I just love him, and I can only that
I love him, so he could do no even though.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
The words there's no, there's no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:45:44):
I actually don't know. I I don't know what the
reason is, Like do you do you have an idea
of why?

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
Like I didn't get I think it's just to be honest, like,
I don't think there's a reason either.

Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
I just character not doing it, and it doesn't actually
make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
Yeah, like, like based on in the based on the
previous books, we would think that as soon as he
got I agree, I feel like he would have been
waiting for Harry the first day of school, like, oh
my god, guess what I think.

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
It's just a plot hole. Honestly, well, he's only been
there a week, Allison. A week is plenty of time
to go see somebody else in the same building.

Speaker 1 (01:46:17):
Okay, it's only building.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
It's a pretty castle.

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
What makes weird is that Dobby is so chaotic. You
think that day one he would be at Harry's door.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
No, yeah, I get that. Yeah, I don't know. I
was just trying to answer, Yeah, no, I know, I do.
I do appreciate you actually like giving some like you
you trying to be like listen that it could be
these reasons. Yeah, but still I think it's plot, which
is fine. So another thing, another question that came up
for me is listening to I'm saying listening because y'all know,

(01:46:46):
I'm my audiobook girly, So I'm listening to Jim Dale
listening to this whole thing about him looking for Dobby
looking for a job for two whole years and couldn't
find one household because he wanted pay. This to me
is also a plot hole, because Okay, I under like

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and I know that he's like, oh, they don't want
to pay a house a house, and I know we're
talking about wizarding money, and I don't. I do not
know the conversion, and I don't care for anybody. I
don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
But my whole point is, I know good and well
that whatever Dobby was charging is nothing. So you mean
to tell me that just because just because you you
won't clean my house for free, I'm not gonna let
somebody come in here and cook and do dishes and
clean because I gotta pay you five dollars a week. No,
that's like, and I don't and I know there's and

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there's not a real answer.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
I know there's not.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
I just wanted to point out that I think that
this is ridiculous and and I think it makes sense
if if he were only going to, like if he
were to be like, oh, I went in like the
Malfoy's neighborhood, right, like, if he only went to if
we had some data that supported that he only went
to like really wealthy places or whatever. But for him
to be going all over the country. I'm like, stop,

(01:48:02):
this is this is absolutely a plot holes of me.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
I honestly wonder if it's just because people were socialized to,
like in the Wizarding World of like I'm never gonna
pay a house elf, so it was like a weird
social thing rather than like a I feel I honestly
that's how I took it, like that people are still
so brainwashed that no, I would never pay a house
self when I could have one do it for free, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
Do they even know like how much do let's let's
just say lower middle class, how much do these people
even know about house elves? Because I just feel like,
based on everything else you hear in the but I
do think that because they make in the book, they
make it seem like unless you are like up there,
up there, like you're not even having yeah, you're not

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even having like house elf conversation, you're not even talking
about them.

Speaker 1 (01:48:48):
So to me, like if someone comes to my door
and I am the one doing all the cooking and cleaning,
and you're.

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
Like, do you think Dobby was like knowledgeable enough to
go to like like I imagine Dobby like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
On LinkedIn or indeed trying to find a job like
just doesn't like it would not be very good at that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:08):
So I wonder if that's also bored of it, Like,
what do we really know about Dolly's job search?

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
A little shocked to just because I imagine that in
order to obtain a house self, it's likely the situation
where we get to have enough money to actually buy
one off of someone. So while you don't have to
like exchange currency, aff the fact you need enough money
to to like invest in that one time purchase. So
I'm surprised that, like, you know, someone who has that
mentality even so wouldn't be like, well, compared to how

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much I pay to get a house, Harry, they could
have overcome their differences and then and Molly would have
noticed how amazing the help was. I agree that that
would have been perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
I mean, I think it's just kind of a cultural norm.
It also seems like for the most part, the houses
and the families that have house elves are like those
old money families, right, So that's that's what I was
looking again. Again. That also that aligns with the folklore
right where a lot of times, I mean, Brownie could

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show up anywhere, but a lot of times it was
these like old manners, old estates, and like kind of
different situations. But that seems in the Wizarding World, like,
I mean, because Ron says in Chamber of Secrets, right,
like Mum's always saying she wishes we had a house
elf right to do the to do I think it's
the laundry girl. And he's like, but you'll never find
one around our house, right, We're not rich enough. Right,

(01:50:38):
So there there's kind of yeah, that that norm of
that's what you're supposed to be, and that's what a
house self is. But against me, that's that's only the
norm if you're in that class. That is not the mom.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
Maybe he was only looking in that class.

Speaker 1 (01:50:56):
Maybe I don't, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:50:57):
And but but Ron has the same Ron has the
same kind of reaction. Ron is only talking about the
fact that they don't have money. Ron's not I'm talking no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
But later later like and and the twins right in
this chapter where they tell Hermione like they don't want
to be free. You can't do these things to them, right, yeah,
but I don't think but that's like that mentality still
kind of goes at.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
It from I am a working class human. I got
a job, I got big people like that, and because
I just cannot imagine at my door, like listen, five
ten dollars a week and like your house is going
to be smaltless, I.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
A galleon right now, which is how much that he
makes a week right at Hogwarts is about six bucks
almost seven And so.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
People turned that, So the entire country turned that down.
My whole point, yeah again, I know there's no real answer.
My whole point is I'm not buying it, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
I And that that leads me to an idea of
we kind of talked about this before, but Dobby is
free and he's enthusiastic about it, but there's almost a
sense he doesn't want to be.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
Dobby is a.

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
Fresh elf, Dobby is freeish mentally, Dobby is not free. Yeah,
I think that's that might be part of the thing, right,
Like that might be part of like the.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
First that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
So I feel like today I am just full of
like random questions about house else as I'm going through
the doc of like why do I have so many
outlanders house elf questions? But like Dobby and Winky, I
don't think that I don't think. I don't think Winky

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is in this moment. I don't think Winky is even
capable of like anything like that, unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
But it's some because it's this universe. It's not alternate
this universe. I mean, I don't like Dobby, but I
feel like he could do better. But that's another conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
I show where it's like Dobby's the Bachelor. I don't
even know how.

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
I don't even like you, but I'm gonna set you
up right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
I know you would. I would watch the heck you
guys elf matchmaker.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Oh my gosh, please someone send me that job description
right now. I'll do it. I'll do it for free.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
I don't even like him, but she is out in
the streets trying to find him love.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Yes, girls, just wanna have fun.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
I'm just here chasing a card.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Okay, but okay.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
The reason the reason that I brought this up is
because Dobby said that he was Wait, I thought i'd
put it in here.

Speaker 1 (01:53:55):
Maybe I did it. Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:53:56):
So whenever he was talking about like looking for a job,
like he talked abouy like from us perspective, right, like
looking for work for him and Winky and I was like,
why is he looking for work for Winki? Where where
did Dobby and Winky originally intersect?

Speaker 1 (01:54:11):
I feel like I should have done that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
Where did they Where did they originally meet? Like, I
don't even did I miss it? What do they have
to do with one another?

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
No, it's never said, but I would assume. I mean,
it's got to be a relatively small and insular house
self community, right, and I assume they kind of all
know each other, at least by reputation, right, there aren't
very many out there.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
I mean, Okay, so you're saying, so this, this argument
is that they know each other because the elf world
is small. Yeah, I can buy that, but okay, or
they at least know we're talking about looking for employment
for somebody else, so you're gonna look for employment from
someone because he said.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
No, no, he's as he came across too.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
Because like their family, to their like, Malfoy and Dum
probably like work together, so they probably know each other.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
I think they're on the.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Pure blood list. Yeah, okay, I mean I can buy it,
but because.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
I feel like old money, all those families, they all
know each other.

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
They're all in their weird country club society situations, death eaters, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
Yeah, yeah, I'm looking. They are both on that sacred
twenty eight pure blood list, Crouch and.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
So at some point Dobby and Wiki cross paths. So
is he looking for a job for her? Like are
they at some point? Are they romantically involved? Or was
this just Dobby being kind?

Speaker 1 (01:55:40):
I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
That's my honestly buy back that I believe that why
do we want with him get to I mean, like
I backed the theory. I don't know if I like
ship them together. I think you could find someone better,
and I want to watch it. No offense to Winki.
I feel so bad for her in the scene, but
it was sending me when she's like sobbing and her

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noses dribbling and just starts talking louder like that was
a description.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
He was like yelling over her sobs.

Speaker 9 (01:56:10):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
Not as bad as when they put like the tablecloth over.

Speaker 5 (01:56:15):
I think it's also partially like that. I think it's
partially the fact that he also like sees how happy
he is, and once he thinks every other elf is
going to feel just happy as he does, so he
obviously already has a connection to her justin passing. So
he sees like what he sees as an arch maybe
even argue in elf that's even more like helpless than

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he is in comparison, and so he wants to like,
you know, he wants to know that he wants to
be someone else's hero, like Harry was his hero, and
so like it's kind of like I think his attempt
at like trying to like help, Yeah, obviously doesn't help
her because he's casting out his his personal experience her totally.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
He does no events.

Speaker 5 (01:56:58):
But that's like more I don't even know. It's more
so those coercions she like she wasn't like it. She
was she went along happy like after a while, like
she saw the light kind of thing. But like that
doesn't mean that she wasn't worn down to eventually see that.
Like sometimes yeah, it takes like tough love or have
want to call it, to get a person to realize,
like they'll be happier this way. It doesn't mean that
the fighting them doesn't initially make them deeply unhappy and

(01:57:21):
potentially you know, yeah, like you have to go through
the rain to get through the rainbow, whatever you want
to call it. There's gonna be a time where they're
probably gonna feel very deeply unhappy that you're helping them,
Like it comes with anything like getting someone helped or anything.
Like there's any time whe they're gonna be mad at
you for helping them. But eventually ideally they'll be happy
that they help that you help them. But like there's
gonny a time where like if you if it feels
necessary enough, they're not going to be happy with that

(01:57:42):
decision because they're not gonna see the same way you do.
They can't see they're on the inside, you're seeing it
effective kind of Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
Yeah, I mean there's also I mean, it's the necessity.
Right when Winki is kicked out of the crouch House,
what is she gonna do? Where is she gonna go?

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
So there's kind of that. Speaking of which, though, I
have to talk about Winky's clothes here because the Hogwarts
elves have like their little tea towels, right, and Dobby
has his collection, but Winky has this like cute little
matching set outfit. And I was like, why did she

(01:58:21):
get this? Right, Like, did Dumbledore give it to her?
Which would be sweet or and this was kind of
the the more sinister thing was is this what Crouch
gave sure, making it even more of an insult to
injury that they're like specific elf sized clothes and like
a full outfit. And then part of me even more

(01:58:44):
sinister went, did he hold this over her head? Did
he have this made and hold it over her head?

Speaker 5 (01:58:49):
Let's see my thought lost and found kind of deal
and then tailored it because.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
But it's matching, right, It specifically says it like matches.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
So let's say, okay, because if she found a dress,
a human sized dress, and the lost and found, assuming
that they had the household skills to know how to
also tailor and mend clothing, I assume she would. She's
a female elf and a male dominated household. I would
assume that she probably knows how to mend and sew clothing.
Then she could have cut up someone's old dress and
turned it into her own. Little like matching set out

(01:59:20):
was to argue that she would care enough about herself
to make herself clothing. But I could see, you know, Dobby,
that being Dobby's first influence is getting her to wear clothes.
He kind of see that the transformation that already occurred,
like behind the scenes kind of thing with his involvement,
like she's already kind of kind to the point where
she's willing to wear clothing or like, you know, something
like Dobby's normalizing that aspect to the other elves, like, yeah,

(01:59:42):
we should wear clothes because it makes us more like,
you know, our own people. Like he's kind of like,
you know, bringing some of his radicalization to the other
house elves. And now they're like turning lost in lost
and Found clothes into little outfits from themselves. Okay, I
could take that house self fashion show.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
Watch project, watch all these reality shows, honestly, of all
of them.

Speaker 1 (02:00:08):
Oh man, another life, here's a here's another one related
to like reality TV. Okay, So Dobby says, right, like
how's elves they keep their master's secrets and are silence?
And then he says that right, he spills a little
bit about the Malfoys, but he also says Dobby likes

(02:00:30):
Professor Dumbledore very much, sir, and is proud to keep
his secrets for him. So I was like, hold up, record, scratch,
what do the elves know? What does know about Dumbledore? Well,
doubt as much. I mean, at this point, like you said,
they've only been there a week.

Speaker 5 (02:00:46):
I don't think he knows that how much? But even events,
how much does he already know? Chamber?

Speaker 1 (02:00:53):
What do you mean, Chamber?

Speaker 5 (02:00:54):
What happened like when he first runs into Harry? How
much does he already know about Harry from the secrets
he's keeping. That's what I'm saying an ongoing thing. You
obviously knows information already because that's the only reason he
has known to approach it again with.

Speaker 3 (02:01:08):
I mean, I would hope that he I mean, I
know we're we've talked about impact versus intent, but based
on based on Harry's and Dobby's original or initial interactions,
I hope he knows a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:01:21):
I I just want to I specifically want to know though,
what the Hogwarts house know about Dumbledore and Dumbledore. Don't
think that because I don't think that. I don't, I can't.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:01:32):
Do you see the house I was actually cleaning Dumbledore's
office because I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
I don't see that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
I don't see it. I can see it, and like
maybe he's like.

Speaker 3 (02:01:42):
Having turning that down specifically because Dumble Dumbledore is smart
enough to know that How's elves know everything? Like I
feel like, okay, okay, even in half blood, Right, was
it half blood where he was talking about or maybe
it was whatever, maybe it was order whenever he was
talking about how you know, serious treat or creature. I'm saying,

(02:02:02):
like Dumbledore is smart enough to know that, Like, how's else,
how's else?

Speaker 1 (02:02:06):
House?

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
It's hard, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (02:02:10):
These elves know a lot more than they went on.
So I can see Dumbledore that's true. I can see
Dumbledore declining having a house elf come to the.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
But he does have respect for them, so I can
see him seeing that that's maybe like insulting to tell
them to not get in his stuff. Maybe he's like, yeah,
you can do that, but like all getting Maybe he's
like come in and like sweep the floor.

Speaker 5 (02:02:35):
Why would leave anything potentially, like you know, like exposing
out where someone could reach it easily without having to
have some level.

Speaker 3 (02:02:44):
I don't think he needs to leave anything security. First
of all, he got all these like talking portraits on
the wall.

Speaker 4 (02:02:49):
I say the portraits, and then I feel like I
just need no to see a reality show where it's
the house elves tell all and it's a sit down
and everyone up and it's like you're the host.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
The whole time.

Speaker 5 (02:03:05):
Wait, they know some do the house elves and the
portraits gossip together? Oh, I'm sure, yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (02:03:14):
Don't think so. Why I don't think the households gossip
because they're too pure. They don't gossip, that is, they
don't ye.

Speaker 9 (02:03:22):
But like there's but there's real houses of I feel like,
I feel like people that are like you, and.

Speaker 5 (02:03:34):
I feel like people that are very innocent and not
self serving are also tend to lean more gullible though,
And I feel like that the portraits would we could
find ways to get information out of them, to like
get gossip or like have conversations without them actually like
like purposely revealing information. I just can see them like
like talking or like clarifying things or.

Speaker 4 (02:03:55):
Like this is like kind of what happens to Dobby.
He's sort of like he's still has his his little
bit of like Malfoy trauma. Like he kind of drops
that tea on the Malfoys and then immediately goes into
like hitting himself on the table and Harry stops him.
And I just thought it was so cute when Dobby's
like thank you, Harry potterser or whatever, and he's like
it's okay, you just need a little bit of practice.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
We'll get there.

Speaker 5 (02:04:20):
Also, I'd argue that house els having to be punished
or like have rules about gossiping about their own their
owners means at some point they were totally doing that.
So rules are.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
There's definitely the the there's also the are these things
in place because of magical blindings or like brainwashing.

Speaker 5 (02:04:43):
So our house like not considered able to be used
as witnesses when it comes to criminal cases with their
owners question or they can't.

Speaker 2 (02:04:54):
Be the perfect person to put on the stand.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
But almost did that for Harry. He almost used witness.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
And Harry, I mean like they're like the actual elves
of the family.

Speaker 5 (02:05:10):
If you're if the owner is being brought this being
brought under question like out if someone's married to someone,
they're not allowed to testify against their or like be
a witness against their spouse.

Speaker 1 (02:05:21):
Can't compel someone to testify against.

Speaker 5 (02:05:23):
Like a So I'm saying, like I wonder if the
households are held that same standard if they cannot if
it if their owner is being brought under like the investigation,
they're not allowed to be used as a witness because
they're considered like you know, protected by like you know,
like like their version of hip or whatever, like the
same thing they're not allowed to like they're not allowed
to break like certain like you know, confidentiality rules regarding

(02:05:45):
their own I just.

Speaker 1 (02:05:46):
Don't think they would anyway. It's one of those things
of anxiety saying that they see what happens when they try.

Speaker 5 (02:05:52):
That's because that's an established thing though, But like they
established that for a reason, That's what I'm saying. It's
like like like things are like told not to be
time because someone did that at some point, like those
signs that say don't jump in the elevator just because
the elevator.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
There can be rules that are established before before they happen.

Speaker 5 (02:06:12):
Typically but not always.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
And I was like, yeah, yeah, well and it again.
It begs the question though too of like where does
that where does that come from? Right? Like is it
a magical, magically binding thing or is it something specific
about how house elves are conditioned, like like conditioned or

(02:06:34):
just like an innate sense of loyalty.

Speaker 3 (02:06:36):
Yeah, that's what I think. I don't think it's binding
at all. Like, I mean, we we have so much
evidence in this book that they don't even need that
because of how much it's.

Speaker 1 (02:06:46):
Just ingrained like that's just their ways.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:49):
Yeah, Well, but Ron is kind of meeting Dobby for
the first time and very much takes a liking to him,
which I think is very cute and it made me
think though, to is this part of Ron's kind of
evolution to coming to support spew Right and supporting house

(02:07:12):
Elves now that he actually, yeah, like he comes to
know a real house Elve. He's fond of Dobby, and
that puts like a human face is.

Speaker 4 (02:07:24):
Because it's a perfect example of like unpacking your own privilege,
because like Ron, at the end of the day, even
though he's poor, he's a pure blood wizard and he
has all of this like privilege and bias that comes
from the wizarding world that we as the reader don't have.
And I don't know, it's very interesting because you know,
as a reader, you like Ron, but you also realize

(02:07:46):
like the privilege that he has throughout the book and
how that affects his relationships and how like, you know,
even the way like he has this happy family and
married parents and all these brothers and sisters, and like
he doesn't understand what Harry's been through, and you know,
I don't know, I just think I think it's really
interesting showing the pure blood wizard who's always thought this
certain way about hell selves and presenting him with this

(02:08:07):
scene and kind of like having him unpack that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:09):
Yeah, I agree on that note. Thin, should Dobby have
become like the sps spc W WOW s p A
W like spoke self and like, I I'm really surprised

(02:08:29):
he probably would have been like gung ho about it.

Speaker 5 (02:08:33):
Just miss hermione circumstances.

Speaker 1 (02:08:38):
I do have to say to Ron before they leave,
he says, the twins stealing food. He always thought it
was impressive. But he's like, but it's so easy, And
I was like, but that's a lot of how the
Twins do everything right. Everybody thinks they're super impressive. But
one of the like the twins really like center of
their success is that they're very charming. They're very good

(02:08:58):
at finding the right people to talk to. They don't
like condescend really to anyone. They kind of see the value.

Speaker 2 (02:09:04):
And skill in and of itself to have it is.

Speaker 1 (02:09:07):
They're really good at like network entrepreneurs.

Speaker 2 (02:09:10):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
Yeah, which is funny because Percy's the one who's always
trying to be like soft skill but he's also very
he's very dismissive of the twins, right, he could have
learned some things from that. And then of course we
end with an iconic line of Percy wouldn't recognize a
joke if it danced naked in front of him wearing
Dobby's tea cozy, which is just true. Icons Yes, that

(02:09:36):
is a what.

Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
A beautiful quote to wrap up, to wrap up this conversation,
the imagery of Percy dancing naked in a tea cozy.

Speaker 1 (02:09:46):
I don't even know what a tea cozy is actually,
which is fine. It's it's a thing that goes over.

Speaker 2 (02:09:52):
To your tea cozy.

Speaker 1 (02:09:53):
Literally literally literally. Okay, Alexa, thank you so much for joining.
It has been such a delight to having you.

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
It was so fun being here. Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:10:07):
Yes, of course, where can listeners find you online? Is
there anything that you want to plug?

Speaker 2 (02:10:12):
Yeah, you guys can find me.

Speaker 4 (02:10:13):
My Instagram handle is alexuro eleven. That's also my TikTok handle.
And if you are curious in if you like this
format and you also like Disney movies, my co host
Brett and I we do a very similar podcast is
called Direct to Video where we watch old Disney movies
voted on on our Patreon and then we unpack them.
I will say it's not as PG as this, so
if that's more your.

Speaker 2 (02:10:34):
Vibe, that's totally fine.

Speaker 4 (02:10:36):
But it's a bit more crass and it's super fun
if you're if you're curious, that's that's where you can
find me.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
And our next episode here on our show is going
to be a chapter revisit of Order of the Phoenix,
Chapter eight, the Hearing, which is actually the part where
Dumbledore mentions that Dobby could be used as.

Speaker 5 (02:10:57):
And as always, can follow us some pretty much any
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so much. And with that, this has been episode sixty
two of the final one hundred. I'm Asher, I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:11:15):
Bianca, and I'm Allison. Thank you for listening to episode
four hundred and sixty two of the Local Mora Tickle
the Pair and Open the Double Doore.

Speaker 10 (02:11:39):
Helloha Mora is produced by Tracy Dunstan. This episode was
edited by Catherine Lewis. Hellohamra was co created by Noah
Freed and Kat Miller and is brought to you by APWB.

Speaker 5 (02:11:52):
D LLC, Chris Style and Mark Scott from What Are
You Doing Movie?

Speaker 1 (02:12:05):
Try that one again?

Speaker 5 (02:12:06):
Did I not do that right? Or do the whole thing?

Speaker 1 (02:12:09):
Tag Christy and Michael Scott.

Speaker 5 (02:12:11):
I need a zoom man, I can tell that's why
my Michael.

Speaker 1 (02:12:14):
Scott not referring to the office.

Speaker 2 (02:12:15):
I know. I was like, I was gonna say the
real guy named Michael Scott.

Speaker 1 (02:12:19):
I guess that. I mean, if ever, I would never
for real. This is a side note, but I once
knew a guy named Peter Parker and he was the
biggest disappointment in the world to any Spider man.

Speaker 2 (02:12:30):
I feel like they never are if they have that.

Speaker 5 (02:12:33):
There was a woman and a show I was with
my synagogue named Toby Maguire. But she was like really old,
so was like she inspired him. Anyways, Okay, I zoomed
and sorry, apparently aren't working anymore. I'll just do it
from the beginning.

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