GOF, 27 Revist: This Chapter Gets Sirius

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This is episode three hundred and eightysix of Aloha Mora for November fourth,
twenty twenty three. Welcome to anotherepisode of Aloha Mora, The Phantom's Original

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Harry Potter Book Club. I'm JeffHutton, and today we don't have quite
as many people on the episode aswe originally thought we were going to,
but you know what, we arehere and we are going to have a
wonderful discussion with my very special guest, Shalita. Welcome to the show.
Yay, thank you, thank youfor having me. I'm very very glad

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that you're here now. You andyour friends are the hosts of a very
interesting podcast. I've been listening toa little bit of it. I've enjoyed
what I've heard. So tell usabout lit happens. Well, well,
it happens. We are just agroup of melanated women who love to read
and just love to discuss what we'rereading. One thing that I can say

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we love to do is make itsocially relevant. So no matter what book
we read, we are tying itto whatever is going on currently in the
world. So I just throw thatout there because it's so awesome how we
can tie in books from the seventies, eighties, nineties and still make it
relevant to world today. That's abeautiful thing that you guys do on your

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show. Now, on your mostrecent episode, you talked about I think
it was death Eaters. Was thatthe most recent one? Yeah, what's
the most recent one? That wasa fun one. Talk about something that
you can make relevant today. Okay, So when you think of death Eaters,
you think of people who essentially you'rea part of a cult, or
essentially you're a part of a groupand you have a leader that you're trying

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to impress. So if we lookat what is going on today, there
are so many groups of people sociallythat are looking for that person to be
in charge and say, hey,I'm gonna pick me. I'm going to
do this so that I make youproud, no matter what the costs are,
no matter who I run over,But I'm here. I'm your follower,

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I'm your loyal, most loyal supporter. So here I am doing whatever
it is you tell me to do, so tying it to it relevantly,
we can talk about book bands.Okay, So you have people who dealing
with schools that will go and noteven take the time to dig deep into
what the context of the book is, or is just hopping in on that

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bandwagon and then making a big fuss, if you will, about a book
that really is not that deep.So there's a little example of jumping in
and not understanding what you're doing justto join the bandwagging or just to follow
those that you love. Harry Potterfans definitely understand the book band They are

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very very familiar with that. SoI can see your house from the background
that you chose, which people wouldsee if they were watching the video because
they subscribe to our Patreon. We'llget to that in a minute, But
why don't we round things out withyour fanom, I D, your house,
your wand patronis, favorite characters,just anything about the series that you
want to share about you personally.Wow, that's that's deep personally. Yeah,

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I'm like that's a lot personally forme, I am the quiet one
out of the crew, and thenI am the only Slytherin in the group.
From me, I love being theonly Lytherin in my group because again
it's just I'm different, stand out. I love, love, love love

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Snape. I'm a Snape fan.Ten toes down. So I love interacting
with people that I meet and havingthat heated or passionate dialogue about Snape.
I always say this, there wouldnot be a series if we didn't have
Snape. So Snake brings a lotto the table. So, you know,
meeting people and oh, you're youknow you're a Slytherin, Yes,

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proudly, And I love Snape.That's a bad conversation. My favorite Wand
however, nah, that's that's that'sa difficult one because they're all gorgeous.
Mm hmm. I think currently Iwill just go with the Yeah, I

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don't think I'll go with Dumbledores forright now. That's a good one.
It's a very very popular wand it'sgot a history to it. Yeah,
I'm like, this is kind ofdifficult, but we'll go with Dumbledore right
now. And I don't know thejury's out on the patrons for right now.
That's fine. Do you have afavorite book in the series. The

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Prisoner of Azkaban is my favorite currently. However, we are currently going over
the Goblet of Fire and that youknow, everything pops off from there,
so contextually, right now, Iwill go with the Goblet of Fire.
That's a good choice. Speaking ofGoblet of Fire, that's what we're talking

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about today. We're talking about chaptertwenty seven of Goblet of Fire, Padfoot
Returns, which we have not talkedabout for a while because the last time
this chapter came up was in episodesixty five, which was on January eleventh,
twenty fourteen. They called that episodeThe Little Spoon. The hosts were
Kat Laura Mike and at the time, Alison was just a guest on that

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episode. I don't mean to sayjust because she was a wonderful guest,
but now, as usually happens onthe show, she started as a guest
and now she's a host for us. I love when that happens, when
we go back and we look atwhen some of our people who are hosting
the show were guests at the time. My first guest appearance was not that

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long ago. But for Alison,that's a little bit more of a blast
from the past because that was nineyears ago. Nine years ago. That's
amazing. Aloha mora flashback. Soas Ali said, Sirius has been living

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off of rats my poor heart breakbut creepy, creepy lower reference to Peter
and all that. Oh, Inever thought about that. What if he
ate Pedigrew and then the better questionis would you yes? The answer to

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that question is yes, he wouldYeah, I mean and desk pig No.
I just what if he didn't realizeI mean, I had it like
he knows what he looks like orwhatever. But if if I'm sure each
rat he goes he inspects the mutI highly doubt that. And what if

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buck Beak found him, There's noway buck Beak would know. Well,
we would have gotten rid of Pedigrea long time ago. Then it would
have been awesome thoughts and now backto present time. Thank you for joining
us on this Alohamora flash. Now, before we go on with our episode,

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out Maxima. So today's shout OutMaxima comes from episode three hundred and eighty
four with hosts Allison Tracy and myselfand our special guest Maddie where speaking of

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Prisoner of Azkaban, we were talkingabout chapter four, the Leaky Cauldron,
and the first thing from our shoutOut Maxima, which comes from absent Minded
Raven. They said, love thetitle because thanks to Maddie, our episode
title was Harry Potter and the Accumulationof Calories. I don't it's I think

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if I remember, it's mainly becausehe was He spends most of the beginning
of that chapter just doing his homeworkoutside Florian Fordescue's ice cream parlor, and
Florian Fordescue gives him free Sundays Ithink they said every half hour. So
he's just sitting there eating all thisice cream every thirty minutes for two weeks.
Oh my goodness. Yeah. Idon't know exactly what time he showed

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up, or what time he left, or if he left and came back.
But if you do even even themost basic math, that is a
lot of calories to be perfectly fair, It's a lot, yes, So
to continue with absent mindut Ravens thoughton this episode, they said Harry's not
entirely devoid of extravagance. Hagrid wouldn'tlet him buy a gold cauldron, though
he does show growth in managing toresist buying a set of gold gobstones,

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and despite how much he drools overthe fire bolt, he does recognize that
it would be a waste of moneywhen he had a good broom already,
foreshadowing much. I like the ideaof the firebolt being associated with not being
arrogant. It's rather like a Ferrarior similar supercar. If you don't respect
how easily its power can get outof hand, you'll find yourself wrapped around

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a tree. Mmmmmm. So let'swork backwards from that for a second,
because it's I guess you could callit. I don't think this is necessarily
irony, but people misuse that wordevery day. But they said, you
can find yourself easily wrapped around atree. That's sort of what happens to

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Harry's nimbus, because it does getblown into a tree. The womping willow
to be specific, and it doesn'tget wrapped around it, but it does
get smashed to pieces. Yeah,it is so true, and that foreshadowing
takes place a lot in the series. It does that. It's one of
those comments that comes up, Iknow, not only on this show,
but so many others, about howmuch foreshadowing there is. At a certain

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point, you kind of wonder ifevery individual little thing is going to eventually
signal something else that's going to comelater. Agreed. Agreed. And then
as far as the point of Harrynot being entirely devoid of extravagance, they
do make a good point. Hagriddoes have to keep Harry from buying a

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solid gold cauldron. I'm not entirelysure if you can accuse an eleven year
old of being extravagant for wanting tobuy something bright and shiny when you have
just introduced them to this world.Because Harry's first direct exposure to a magical
person is Hagrid, his first exposureto a magical event is when Hagrid gives

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Dudley a pigtail. At least asfar as knowing that it's magic. There's
all this weird stuff happening around himthat he can't explain. But his first
exposure to a magical place, Imean talk about sensory overload. He is
in the place that has all themagical shops. It's got everything, it's

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got every different type of person,every kind of object, it's got books,
it's got creatures that he has neverseen in his life. He's not
even in Diagon Alley for that longbefore he's in a bank full of goblins.
So I can see him being alittle over excited and wanting to get
something, you know, solid goldlike a cauldron. Yeah. I agree
with that, because again it's shiny, it's new, and he's young,

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and it's like, ooh this Imust have. I want. However,
I do I don't think that portraysinto Harry's character. I think just in
the moment, just being shown andbeing introduced, he's like, yes,
I want it, so I agreewith you. And a little bit later
in the book, even the nextchapter, I think it is when he's

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on the Hogwarts Express, when thetrolley car comes by, he buys one
of everything. And in the moviehe even he pulls this huge pocket full
of coins out and says we'll takethe lot and then they're surrounded by all
this candy. That's the only timehe does that. He kind of favors
I think the cauldron cakes and thepump capacities after that. But you present

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him with all this delicious stuff he'snever had, and you give him what
to him is a limitless fortune.He's gonna want to sample everything to find
out what he likes. That kindof makes sense too. Yeah, and
not just sample, but also share. He does, I love, I
love. That's that's the thing aboutthat moment that always really touches me.
When he offers to swap Ron,who obviously is not feeling the corn beef

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sandwiches, and he says, here, go ahead, have some of this,
it's really really it's nice for himto have something to share and someone
to share it with. That's reallytouching. Actually. Quick shout out to
my friend Autumn Riiley. Regular listenersof the show know that I am myself
a wizard rocker, but my friendAutumn Riley has written one of my favorite
wizard rock songs called I think it'scalled Chocolate Frogs. I'm gonna feel bad

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if I get it wrong, butthat's actually a line from the song You
can have some of my candy.It's nice to have something to share and
indeed someone to share it with.So that's the opposite of extravagance. That's
wanting to actually give something good toother people. That's awesome, and I'd
like to listen to that song.I will send it to you as soon

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as we are out of here.It is a beautiful song. Autumn's voice.
I mean, you know, thiscauldron is solid gold. So is
Autumn's voice. It is absolutely stunningcool. So what do you say we
go ahead and get into this chapterbecause there is plenty to unpack here.
Agreed, Let's let's get into itthree times? Should do it? Chapter

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revisit? Got it? F twentyseven Harry Potter's Secret Tender? I don't
think so. Chapter twenty seven,Padfoot returns. Hmm. So for anybody

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who would like to go back andrevise this chapter before listening, it is
chapter twenty seven of Goblet of Fire, and this is what happens. In
the chapter. Ron tries to baskin the glow of Harry's most recent triwizard
triumph, but Hermione shuts him downwith a hard dose of reality. Hermione
tries to ignore the teasing of herpeers, but Rita Skeeter shuts that down

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with a hard dose of unreality inthe form of an article about her in
which weekly that is mostly made up. Snape uses said article to shame two
students for the price of one infront of Harry's entire potions class, and
then uses a potion to threaten Harrybecause of something he didn't even do.

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Kargarov tries to have yet another privateword with Snape, but it doesn't go
the way he wants it to.At the next Hogsmead weekend, Harry,
Ron and Hermione take as much foodas they can and go to visit Serious,
and they discuss many things, themysterious circumstances surrounding the Quidditch World Cup,
the tragic history of the Crouch family, the trustworthiness of Ludo Bagman,

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and his totally unbiased feelings towards Snape. Sirius caps off their visit by giving
them an adorable alias to use forhim, along with some of the only
responsible advice Harry gets from an adultin this entire book. How'd I do?
Did I miss anything? You gotit all? All right? Well,

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let's get into it. Then thischapter for me is kind of almost
evenly split into two parts. Partone, I call xoxo gossip Girl because
the main could open. I've nevereven watched gossip Girl. I just know
that if I say xoxo gossip Girl, somebody's mind is going to go ping.
I understood that reference, you know, and I kind of got worried

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because I never watched the show either, but I knew exactly. I'm like,
I know the reference, but Inever watched the show. I never
have either, So don't worry aboutthat. I Am not going to make
us talk about gossip Girl. It'sjust because this first part, the part
that really seems to tie a lotof these events together, is this article
that was written about Hermione and Harryand Crumb in which Weekly. But the

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whole chapter starts with one of thebest things. It even says that in
the book one of the best thingsabout what happens after the second task,
because this is right after that,is Ron getting to share Harry's limelight.
But at first Ron just gets tohave as much attention as Harry. It's
when he really starts to embellish aboutwhat was going on down there that Hermione

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comes in and gives him a hardcoretruth SmackDown and says, oh, yeah,
you were being a hero. Whatwere you gonna do down there?
Nothing and absolutely nothing. Even ifhe had been conscious, Ron would have
been scared out of his mind downthere. And you know what, I'll
give Harry credit for that. I'llgive all the champions credit for this.

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Even though Fleur got captured by Grendilow'sbeing underwater like that, surrounded by dark,
murky water and I don't even knowwhat's gonna come swimming up at me.
That is a nightmare that I havehad. So of all the tasks,
that second one, that is thetask where I would be least likely

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to succeed. So better them thanme. Well, I agree with you.
I do not like anything dealing withwater, So yes, better than
than us. However, I lovethis because it shows the dynamic of Ron,
and it also shows Ron's growth overtime and the longing to have that

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spotlight, that longing to be theit man. And then for Harry to
not, of course Hermione's going topop his bubble, but for Harry to
not necessarily call him out like,dude, you weren't even there, you
were you know, so I appreciatethe insight on teenagers and what they go

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through with dealing with their feelings andtrying to make themselves feel good about themselves.
That's what. Yeah, I agree, And you know what, I
have said a lot of things thatmight make it seem like I'm a Ron
hater. I'm not a Ron hater. I just get very very fed up
with Ron very easily. And usuallyit's because of all the toxic masculine traits

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that he exhibits. But he's avery typical teenage boy in a lot of
ways. There are a lot ofthings in the series that are indicative of,
you know, the typical human experience. And one of those things is
a teenager wanting to make themselves seemmore impressive than they are, because I
know adults who do that. Becausehere's the thing, I'm not going to

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anybody out I'm just gonna throw thisout there. Sometimes when you know that
someone you're talking to wasn't there andthey're not gonna check up on what you're
telling them, but you want tofeel more important than you were about a
story, yeah you're gonna embellish it. Yeah. A lot of people I
think can relate to that, notjust teenagers, although for a lot of

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teenagers. Yeah, because Ron's notthinking it through, knowing that Hermione's probably
gonna hear about him saying all thestuff and then burst his bubble. And
I think a little bit of thatmight be because maybe she's a little worried
that if he seems too impressive,other girls are gonna pay attention to him.
Because it's more Ron in the beginning, but by the time we get

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to half Blood Prints, they're doingthis to each other. Each of them
is jealous of anyone showing attention tothe other, and neither of them wants
to just sit down and talk abouthow they feel. And again, at
the writing of this, because itdoes imitate real life teenagers, boy and
girl on, I like you,I just don't know how to address it.

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I don't know how to approach you. I don't know how to get
you to see me. So wedo this dance for a long time before
it actually comes out. So Ijust I love it. And again,
working with teenagers, I see itall the time. Mm hmmm. And
there's a there's a it's a briefmoment, but anytime something with magical creatures

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in a difficult situation comes up.It kind of sticks in my brain.
It talks about how the owls keepgetting blown off course I think because the
rain has been so bad, orwhen when Harry gets a letter from Sirius
the owl takes off immediately because he'safraid he's going to be set back out
there. And I'm just thinking,dear so called Department for the Regulation and

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Control of Magical Creatures or whoever isin charge of the owls, because who
knows who knows? The ministry isterribly disorganized, But please find a backup
plan for what happens in dangerous weather. Since you rely on owls to deliver
your mail for you, please comeup with a backup plan for when the
weather is bad. And just tothrow some out there as a possible idea.

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I threw out rain repellent charms that'llhelp keep them dry, even tiny
magical umbrellas that'll keep the water offthem. Or you can use instead of
using the magic on the owls,maybe on the mail that's being delivered,
minor transportation charms for letters and notes, or even if you want to do
it like FaceTime. I know thisis the nineties, and they didn't have

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FaceTime, but video chatting was startingto become a thing. And I know
they have the Flu network. Whatif you had a tiny portable Flu network
that you could throw in a goblet. They can throw one in there,
a goblet, and you can FaceTimeeach other with a little goblet. That
would be kind of cute. Yeah, those are all great ideas, and
you would think with all the magicthat they had, that somebody would have
thought about that and look out forthe magical creatures as they were delivering mail.

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Those are all great ideas, Ithink at one point, I can't
remember when I brought this up,but I know I have said this before.
But I also think about how inthe nineties, you remember when everybody
had AOL Instant Messenger, before youhad all the social media apps with dms
on them and everything. What ifI had a notebook and you had a
notebook, and I wanted to talkto you, but I didn't know if

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you were busy or not. SoI write down in my notebook, Hey,
what's up? And then your notebookstarts glowing or whatever. You open
it up, you see that,and you say, I'm in a meeting.
I'll talk to you later, andthen you write down a time that
I should probably have my notebook openbecause you and me are just gonna like
trade notes back and forth from adistance because of some kind of charm.
That's a great that's another great idea. Yes, so that is very hilarious

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that they didn't think of anything otherthan sending the poor owls out despite the
weather. But right after the outlit talks about Harry gets the letter from
Sirius and he's clearly come back tothe area. He's arranging a meeting with
Harry, and Ron and Hermione aregoing to tag along because they're a package
deal. And Ron seems they're alittle amazed that he's come back to Hogsmeead.

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But then Ron, I think,points out the place isn't really swimming
with dementors anymore, and I startedto wonder how hard they're actually looking for
him at the moment, because weknow that we're now well passed what happened
at the Quidditch World Cup. Iknow that a lot of the work that's
gone into the Triwizard Tournament has concerneda lot of people, mostly the magical

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games and sports and magical cooperation departments. But in the next book we find
out that Kingsley shackle Bolt is incharge of the hunt for Serious Black,
and I wonder how long has hebeen in charge of it, because the
way that makes it to me isKingsley kind of nudge nudge wink wink gets

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put in charge of it once they'rein the order together, because at that
point it becomes crucial to sabotage theinvestigation while appearing to take it seriously.
But I don't at this point havethey just forgotten about looking for Serious because
I know they try to scapegoat himwhen they break over the prison in the
next book and make it look likehe's the one that did it. But

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with a lot of the stuff goingon right now, if they're going to
spread misinformation about Serious, why didn'tthey think to blame him for the dark
mark that showed up in the skybecause everyone knows it was there. That
is a great point, And Ithink they just totally forgot about him because
of everything else that was going on. And one thing that I do feel,

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I think it would have been easierfor them to keep him on their
mind if he stayed in human formall the time. But I think since
he had the ability to switch itup and become a job I don't think
anybody felt like it was pressing.If you will, now that brings up
you brought up something else that Inever really thought about before, because I

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know, we keep talking about thenext book, but it ties into what's
going on here. We know thatbecause of the comment that Draco makes that
Draco and Lucius Malfoy both know thatSirius is an animogious Sirius himself says his
big disguise is useless because Voldemort willknow by now, because Wormtail will have

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told him. So there are peopleout there who know that he is a
dog sometimes, and Lucius Malfoy stillhas his ministry connections, and he knows
they're looking for serious Why isn't hetelling his buddy Fudge keep a lookout for
this weird looking dog who might belurking close to where Harry Potter is because

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like, yeah, I don't thinkthey're making that connection. They have other
pressing issues. And then you know, when you think of it, maybe
in the back of their mind they'relike, Okay, there he's a dog,
and maybe he's just somewhere hiding andhiding and we don't have to sound
the alarms and go on an actualhunt for him. M that's a good

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point though, But they miss atribute so many things to him, like
the Escaban breakout, and they don'twant to you know what, now I
think about it to maybe provide ananswer to my own question. Maybe they
don't want to suggest that Sirius castthe Dark Mark into the sky because then

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people would just turn around and say, well, that means he was literally
right under your nose and you missedhim by seconds. They just spent a
whole year putting up with that becausehe keeps showing up at Hawkwarts and then
slipping. They had their hands onhim and he still managed to get away.
So maybe they don't want to godown that road again. No,
they don't want to let their flawsor show that their weakness is Probably so

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that is a good point, arare moment of thinking that, because they
show their own weaknesses all the time. By the time they are forced to
admit or like more like, bythe point they can no longer deny that
Voldemort has returned, people are nowgoing back and reanalyzing everything that they've done
and saying now, wait a minute. You guys never had this right,

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did you? From Jump now whenthey were on the wrong side, Yes,
from Jump, they never had aright. Speaking of things that aren't
right, let's take a minute totalk about Rita Skeeter's incredibly strategic bullying of
a teenage girl. She is onrecord of saying our readers have a right

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to the truth, and I thinkthat's part of why she put this article
in Which weekly as opposed to theDaily Profit, because she's been a journalist
long enough to know where the audiencesfor different pieces are. I don't know
what else is in which weekly.It might be Magical, Cosmopolitan magazine.

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I don't know, but it seemslike if this is the kind of story
that they're willing to run a suggestivepiece that points to a teenage girl and
two teenage boys and their love triangle, which, by the way, should
interest nobody. Nobody should care aboutthis, even if this is exactly what's

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going on here. Nobody should beinterested in this. But she puts this
out there, and the only partthat's true is that Victor Crumb invited Hermione
to come visit him, which sheonly found out about by breaking the law.
You know, this rediscattered angers meso much because you think of again

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bringing it back to now checking yoursources or people reading reading for truth or
fake news, if you will.I laugh when you said no one cares
about the antics between a teenage lovetriangle. However, she had a loyal
following that was actually eating this garbagethat she was spewing. And I think

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because people were so intrigued just byHarry alone, they were willing to believe
whatever they read about him. Andshe just keeps changing lanes on it.
One minute she's embarrassing him, oneminute she's making it look like his heart
is broken. And then the nextthing she puts up right after this is
saying, oh, by the way, Harry Potter is kind of unstable,

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so we should focus on that instead. It's even if it's true, Even
if it is true, she isonly publishing stories that are clearly supposed to
get people riled up, and damnthe consequences. Who cares if their reputations
get hurt or they lose their jobsor the mental health suffers. Who cares?

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Not her? That's always right,as long as I get my story,
as long as I get people toread and wait for my next article.
That's all that matters. What Ido like though, in this chapter
when they bring the actual magazine toclass and Hermione goes through it, I
love her resilience at first, whereshe's like, okay, I'm not even

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paying this any attention. The Slytherinsin the classroom were watching her as she
was reading to see if she wouldget riled up or get a reaction or
you know, be upset, andshe just played it cool, like,
I know none of this is true, so I'm not going to give the
audience that's watching a show. Ilove that about Hermione in that moment.

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I do too, because I lovethat she's trying to take her own advice,
which again even adults can relate toit being so hard to take your
own advice. But she's always theone telling Harry just ignore people. They're
not worth paying mine to, andespecially Parkinson, like Pansy, Parkinson is
the closest thing to a Draco Malfoythat she really has, so she is

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trying not to let them specifically rileher up. And it's interesting that she's
able to do that because earlier inthe chapter, it mentions that ever since
she came out of the lake andeverybody found out that she is the thing
that Victor Crumb would miss the most, that she had been in a tetchy

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mood. But here this is anadult who does not go to school here
trying to get people who also donot go to school here to be on
her side. And what did Hermioneeven do? She called, she accused
her of being a muckraker in frontof a crowd of pubgoers. She really
had to write a whole article aboutHermione and Victor Crumb and Harry Potter for

(32:52):
that, just because Harmione embarrassed herthat essentially at the end of the day,
and Harmony embarrassed her in front ofeveryone. So now it's that I
will get you back, and Ihave the platform to get you back,
and just dive in. See Mytheory about why she was really able to

(33:13):
overcome her own humiliation in this moment, even when Snape starts reading the article
out loud, is because Hermione isa person who answers questions, she solves
problems, and she cannot wrap hermind around how did Rita Skeeter over hear

(33:34):
Victor and I talking what methods isshe using to magically eavesdrop on people when
she's not even supposed to be insidethe grounds Now that she has a problem
to solve and something to take hermind off of her own humiliation until the
owl post starts coming in, whichwe won't talk about that. We talked

(33:54):
about owl post already, But sheis now so consumed with this us trying
to figure out how is rita skeeterlistening in on people? That it's like
she forgets to be embarrassed. SoI guess maybe that's a good thing.
Yeah, well, and again,you know, tying it back to true
teenagers, that's her logical rationalization ofit, because a typical teenager would have

(34:19):
lost it, flip tables, overcuts, everybody out in the classroom,
got mad at Snape, storm outof the room, all of those things,
And for her it's like, Okay, this was a private conversation between
two people when we were chatting,So did she have an invisible cloak on
When she's somewhere hiding behind the wisheslistening, Her mind zones in right on

(34:45):
that, which allows her to ignorethe stairs, ignore Snape. As he's
reading the magazine article, I dolove that about her mind her mindset,
she plays the she's playing the longgame. See, Rita Skeeter has to
keep dropping these little bombs in youknow which weekly or the Daily Profit in

(35:07):
order to keep her own name relevantand cause trouble for people, because she
doesn't care if she contradicts her ownapparent opinion about a person from one article
to the next, as long asbecause nobody's paying attention to that, nobody
is calling her out on that.They just want to read the hot goss
So Rita Skeeter is xoxo gossip girlhere. She absolutely is. But now

(35:31):
she's got Hermione, who knows howto strategically play the long game. All
she has to do is figure outwhat Rita Skeeter is doing, which,
whatever it is, it's definitely notokay, and she'll have her revenge teenage
revenge against a grown woman. Veryvery safe, very very safe. And

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I just love the twist of that, because sometimes you do have teenagers who
just sit back and play that longgame to say I got you when they
know an adult is not right.All they have to do is just observe
the system long enough to find wherethe cracks are and then that's where you
strike. I'm not encouraging people todo that. I'm not telling people how

(36:15):
to live. I'm just saying thatit's like that sometimes. Yeah, yeah,
I agree. And she's not theonly adult who handles things badly.
In this chapter, it is establishedthat he is a very intriguing character.
And you said it, Lori Kimhas literally said this, there's no series

(36:36):
without Snape, to which I agree. And what's interesting about Snape in this
chapter is with most chapters that showSnape teaching, I do not agree with
what he's doing, but in thischapter I can kind of There's about I
think six bullet points of what Snapedoes in this chapter as a teacher,

(37:00):
and I can agree with half ofthem, which is more than I usually
give him. For example, dockingpoints from the Golden Trio for not paying
attention in class, I can agreewith that because they do talk often in
class and don't pay attention, sodocking points for that fair. Using shame

(37:22):
and humiliation directed at two of hisstudents by reading that article out loud.
Absolutely not I've seen, and Idon't know. I've never seen this in
real life, so I don't knowthat. I don't think there's teachers out
there who actually do this. ButI've seen this in a lot of TV
shows and a lot of movies.The teacher sees the students passing notes,

(37:45):
reads the note out loud, embarrassesthe students. Have you ever had this
experience? Yeah, it happens moreoften then you would think a lot of
teachers like myself included some of Snake'scharacteristics. Turn I'm just you know,

(38:07):
if I'm going over a lesson orif we're in class and I need you
to pay attention because this is somethingthat you're supposed to know. If you're
doing something other than what I'm askingto do, then let's look at what
you're doing. Let's share what youare doing that is so important that you're
not paying attention. So using shameand humiliation directed at the two of his

(38:28):
students, I do believe. Granted, you know he has his history with
HERMIONI, Ron and Harry. However, you guys should have been working on
a potion. You have this magazinehere, I see it. Well,
let me see what y'all over herereading. Let me read myself so we
can have this discussion. Since you'renot concerned with the lesson at hand.

(38:52):
So no, I've seen it whereteachers will take whatever again now with cell
phones and all that good stuff.Back in the day, it was easier
with notes, passing of notes,but students have phones. And then at
my school district, we have yonderpouches now, so students have to put
their phone and pouches to help thembe less distracted. So it is a

(39:15):
tactic that some teachers use to say, Hey, don't let this happen again.
This is what you're supposed to bedoing. Please come to class and
pay attention. Very smart, especiallythe phones and pouches. My brother is
a math teacher in a public highschool. He definitely has got the pouches
for cell phones. So that Ihave heard of, I guess I've been

(39:37):
lucky then I didn't pass that manynotes. I think when I was a
student or read anything in class thatI wasn't supposed to be But one time
I did fall asleep in class andmy teacher threw a nerf football at me
to wake you up, to wakeme up, to literally wake me up.
I fell asleep in class. Hethrew a nerve football at me.

(39:59):
I was in the sixth grade.Here's my question, did you fall asleep
in his class? Again? No, after that, it just took out.
He took that one time for youto Snape doesn't have a nerve football,
although this is the nineties when nerfwas king, so I guess he
could have thrown like a he couldhave thrown flobber words at them or something.

(40:22):
No, I agree, I thinksometimes you know when you break down
Snape. Snape is definitely a personwho has been hurt, and I think
he has positioned himself in a placeto where he can hurt those to make
himself feel better. So whenever hehas that chance to exert his power,

(40:44):
if you will, he jumps onit and does it effortlessly. I've always
thought that Snape, if he gotinto teaching for the right reasons, like
if he cared about being a mentoror being an educator, he could be
the best teacher because he's got theknowledge, he's got the skills. But
I think it was a recent episodewhere we talked about like the difference between

(41:05):
how harsh he is versus how harshMcGonagall is. McGonagall is sort of the
I know you can do this,but you're not doing it, so prove
me right kind of teacher. Snapeis the I don't think you can rise
to this, prove me wrong kindof teacher. But the thing is a
lot of teachers who do that ifyou do prove them wrong, they will
acknowledge that you have succeeded in spiteof the fact that they didn't think you'd

(41:30):
overcome the odds. But with Snape, he just kind of he doesn't even
acknowledge when his students succeed. Idon't think because he doesn't really seem to
care about being a teacher. Hejust he only took the job because of
Dumbledore. He only stayed at thejob because of Dumbledore keeping him out of
trouble. And then now we've gotSnape, the potions teacher. But to

(41:54):
continue with this with this dissection ofhow he handles himself in this class meeting,
I also I've seen this a lot. This is a very very easy
tactic to use when you've got thegroup of people who always are talking instead
of paying attention in class. Separatethem that I get. If he had
more awareness, I probably would nothave put Hermione next to Pansy, because

(42:16):
that's asking for trouble too. Theyhate each other, and she was just
teasing Hermione about that article too.So you put the two of them close
to each other, it's like puttingDraco at the same table with Ron and
Harry. That's inviting a whole differentproblem. Agreed. So I'll give him
yes to a point. Yes,separate the talkers, but do not put

(42:38):
them at the same table with peoplethat they're not going to get along with,
because that's going to create a wholedifferent issue. Agreed. I'll take
this as Snake. This is notyour first year having these students, so
you should have already known from jumpthat they should have been separated since the
start of school. So coming inRon, Harry and Hermond, he should

(43:00):
not have been sitting next to eachother anyway. But that's for me knowing
your students on if they are sittingnext to each other, they're always going
to talk. So let me eliminatethis because I've had you two years already,
I've had you three years already.Now. The next two one is
a no. One is a bigno, like the biggest no on this

(43:22):
list. The one that's just aregular no is Maybe I shouldn't even trivialize
this, but he's He's been doingthis to Harry since Harry got here.
He is trying to get Harry toreact by calling him names, by saying
that he is a trouble maker,and a cheater and a nasty little boy,
just all these names that he's callingHarry. This is yet again and

(43:45):
as it will continue to be aproblem, him projecting all of his James
issues onto James's son, who lookslike James and who behaves like James.
Apparently he does not have problems withHarry. He has problems with James.
Agree, And that is so unfairto Harry because Harry is not his father,

(44:07):
No, he's not. None ofthese kids are their parents, so
you shouldn't hold them accountable for anythingthat their parents did or said. Another
one that really, this gets onmy nerves so bad. This really gets
my heart rate up. And it'swhen he pulls out the vera to serum
and says, you know what,this is a potion that will alter your

(44:30):
state of mind and make you dowhat I want. And I might just
accidentally air quotes put it in yourdrink and get you to confess to something,
even though the ministry says I shouldn'tdo this. That is firable.
He is threatening to drug a student. This should bother people. Well,

(44:52):
okay, I can see, Isee that point. Yes, he's threatening
to drug a student. But shouldn'tSnape feel violated that his stuff has been
stolen? Someone's been absolutely should exactlyno, he absolutely should feel bothered by
that, because in spite of thefact that he is a jerk to Harry,

(45:15):
and that he is obviously not agreat pedagogue, in spite of being
a very able and knowledgeable wizard,And yes, it is really not okay
for anybody to be stealing, evenfrom Snape. Snape has a right to
his privacy and his possessions and thestuff that he's got in his office.

(45:37):
He even knows what they're stealing itfor. They're stealing it for something that
they should not be using it for, because he knows what they're making.
But if Snape is such a greatwizard and he's so protective of his stuff
and he doesn't want to have itstolen, he mentions in earlier chapters of

(45:57):
this book, he seals his officewith a spell that none but a wizard
can break. Do a better one. Increase security, Put your stuff somewhere
you know what, take your stuffthat you are so worried about people stealing,
and make it harder put it inDumbledore's office. I agree with that.
However, sometimes I think Snake getsso flustered by the antics of Ron

(46:22):
Hermione and Harry that sometimes I thinkhe just talks out the side of his
neck just to see what will landor what will stick. Maybe if I
say this, this will scare theminto not doing anything else. Or I'm
just throwing what is it, uselessthreats or blankless threats just so I can

(46:44):
scare the kids to doing the rightthing. I look at it as that
sometimes as well. Now they handleAnd the last thing, just to round
off the list real quick that itsticks out is when he tries to put
carker Off off, get him togo away, because he says, I'm
in the middle of a lesson.It's not because he cares so much about

(47:06):
the lesson. It's because he doesn'twant to talk to carker Off in front
of the students. But still tellingpeople, don't interrupt my class. I'm
teaching right now. I respect that. That is exactly when somebody comes bursting
into your classroom when you were inthe middle of teaching. Yes, I
agree with that. Don't don't interruptmy class, not only interrupt my class.

(47:28):
I know what you're here to talkabout, and this is not something
that we should talk about in frontof students. Even though you may think
that my students are working, ohthey're listening. They're like, ooh,
he came in here. He seemsagitated. Annay, let me pretend.
And Harry was trying to listen.So Snake was absolutely correct on that.
Now, just to kind of skipback to that whole moment with the vera

(47:51):
to serum, when I, alongwith some of my friends from this podcast
and other staff members of MuggleNet,when we did a panel at New England
wizard Fest recently where we talked aboutsome of our favorite Cracked fan theories.
I offered up a theory that sometimesit's difficult to relate to some of the
more hateful or notorious characters to thepoint that you're willing to even have that

(48:16):
kind of discussion like the one thatLaurie Kim has in her book about Snape,
because when you look at them inthe book, you just get so
easily agitated or angry with them oryou just hate them, hate them,
hate them, and you will nothave an open mind to talk about them
for those reasons. I think thatsometimes they can. What I offered in

(48:36):
the panel was sometimes they cast certainactors not only because they can play the
part, but because they will adda new layer of not quite likability,
but less hate ability. I guesstwo characters to where you're willing to talk
about them, because when we readthe book, we don't get on board

(48:57):
with Dolores Umbradge, we don't likewhat Snape dies to Harry, but we
love Alan Rickman, we love EmmeldaStaunton, and when we see them play
those characters in the movies, itmakes you feel not quite as prickly about
a lot of the stuff they're doing. And it's not just the way that
they play the characters, but theway that they write the scenes. Like
with Snape, he still does thething to Harry about this is Veritaicierum.

(49:23):
We can't use this, but I'mgonna use it on you anyway, because
I think you're stealing polyjuice potion ingredients. But Alan Rickman, I never hated
Alan Rickman when he was Hans Gruber. I was not mad at him when
he was the Sheriff of Nottingham alittle bit when he's Snape. Yeah,
he still does a lot of thingsI wouldn't like, But there's just even

(49:45):
when he's being really really serious,is Snape, There's just something so likable
about Alan Rickman. I just I'mless angry with Alan Rickman Snape for some
reason for the Verita serum thing.But with Booksnape, it's so easy for
me to get mad about it.Yeah, and that goes with good writing

(50:05):
as well as good acting. AndSnape is one of those love to hate
characters. But he is also acharacter where you have to understand his story
to understand who he is. AndI think a lot of times when you
have those discussions with people, theydon't want to understand that in life,
the way you are raised, orthe way you go through situations during your

(50:30):
early childhood or in your teenager yearsdefinitely plays a part in a role in
how you behave as an adult.That's a conversation a lot of people don't
want to have because I think sometimesthey see those qualities inside of themselves.
I've said that on this podcast,but I know I've said that on this

(50:50):
podcast before is I think the reason, even just to tie it back to
what I've said about not being aRon hater, the reason I get so
fed up with Ron is because Isee the behaviors that I used to have.
I see a lot of the thingsthat I even probably did when I
was his age. Like I think, the reason I struggle so much with
the way Ron does a lot ofthings is because it reminds me of so

(51:13):
many ways that I used to handlesituations myself. So I see the things
about Ron that frustrate me in whoI used to be, and so that
that's I one percent agree with thatjust for myself. Working with teenagers,
you see the effects of bullying andthen you know, try to gather those
children and lift them up and buildthem up. But that does leave a

(51:37):
scar, and then, depending onhow they internalize, it does come back
around as they get older. Andso I think for Snape, just that
internalization and not being able to havesomebody in his life to uplift him and
hold him and tell them listen,don't pay those gentlemen you know any mind.

(51:58):
You are still a good person.You can still do this. That
And the third I think if hehad that that would have changed how he
interacted with some of his students.But again, then that would have changed
the story. I agree because Iremember, way way back, way way
back. I think it was likelast year. But when we when we

(52:19):
broke down The Prince's Tale from DeathlyHallows, we had to split it into
two parts just because there was somuch to talk about there. But with
Snape, I kept bringing this up. I kept saying, when I look
at this little boy and I seewhat his home life was, and I
see the way that he desperately triedto cling to this one person who not
only did he love, but whowas the only person that was trying to

(52:40):
validate him. I get it becausesomebody should have been there to rescue this
little boy, because if they hadbeen, he might have turned out different.
But he didn't because nobody ever showedhim there was a different way.
And some people to that would saythat may be true. But we're here
now, so we can say shouldhave been, could have been, would
have been all we want to,But we still have to deal with the

(53:02):
reality of the person that they've becomein the situation that they're now putting other
people in because of the result.But what we need to take from that
is that we need to look forother examples of kids in situations like that
one and try to keep it fromhappening, try to keep the cycle from
just turning over and over again.Agreed, And that is such an arduous

(53:25):
task, just as a teacher oreven as a parent, making sure that
your child is a not getting bullied, but putting protocols and things in place
to uplift them and let them know, no, you are great, you
are wonderful, you are all ofthe things. We just have to get
through that, so that that issuch a cycle to try to break.

(53:49):
It's a really being a parent andbeing a teacher. They're both. They're
both thankless jobs, and they reallyshouldn't be, because good parents and good
teachers are some of the most wonderfuland invaluable people in the end entire world,
and they just they deserve all thelove and all the credit for trying
to help these kids. Are agreed, Agreed, and agreed again. I'll

(54:09):
go back to snap though, withthe way he handled the situation in his
classroom, I do believe at somepoint there should have been teacher evaluations at
Hogwarts where someone was coming around andjust doing walkthroughs and pop ups and just
say, hey, you know,let me talk to you a little bit

(54:30):
for your interaction with these children.But again, that was in the nineties,
so there should have been something tothat effect in regards to Snape and
how he dealt with the students.Oh yeah, and not a high inquisitor
who is just trying to check people'sloyalty to Dumbledore or their disloyalty to the

(54:53):
ministry and scapegoat people who are teachingthings that may or may not be legitimate
but that they obviously don't believe into make it look like they know how
to evaluate teachers. But yeah,no, actual like people being evaluated by
people who were qualified to do thatbecause they understand what it takes to do

(55:15):
the job, not because they havean agenda. There you go. Yeah,
oh, but I can talk aboutSnape all night. We could.
But that's our XO XO Gossip Girlchapter. That's that part, and then
part two. The chapter gets serious. Hah. Sometimes you gotta go for

(55:36):
the obvious joke. It gets serious. It literally gets serious because now he's
back. It's the title of thechapter. And I never really thought about
this before, but Sirius says,bring as much food as you can.
Harry's the only one bringing any food. He puts a bunch of chicken legs
and some bread and a flask ofpumpkin juice in his bag. Ron and

(55:57):
Hermione have bags. This guy isliving off of rats, as they find
out, and then again they sendhim I'll get it when they send him
the package. Instead of going tovisit him, they just send him the
one because it's a giant ham andthey're having owls deliver it. But just
serious just gets the one package offood, and I think Ron and Hermione
probably could have pitched in a littlebit more and brought him some more.

(56:21):
You know, I had laughed whenI read that, because I'm like,
you guys should all be struggling carryingthis bag, your bag up the rocks
as you're climbing, to not justbring him food to eat in the moment,
but have food for later on thatevening as a snack, or at
least two or three days supply worthof food. So I had to laugh
when I read that because I agreetoo, Harry should not have been the

(56:44):
only one bringing food for serious andfor thirty minutes it takes them a half
an hour to climb these rocks.It just I know, apparition is a
thing, and Sirius has I don'tknow if he has a wand at the
moment, but Harry could give himone, because I refuse to believe that

(57:07):
somebody who could become an animagist withoutDumbledore knowing as a teenager cannot operate now.
And I know what some people areprobably thinking. They might be thinking,
wouldn't it be a little bit conspicuousif he's operating with these teenagers?
But is it more conspicuous than threeteenagers and a dog hiking up these rocks

(57:30):
for thirty minutes? It would takeseconds. Sirius just goes back, he
gets another kid, He goes back, he gets another He just he could
go back and forth and have thisdone in seconds, and then they could
have more time to talk. Buthe's just he just they just hop they

(57:52):
just walk. It's like it it'slike maybe maybe this is like the Tolkien
moment where we just we like totalk about the walk, the journeying up
the mountain, the footsteps so thatyou feel it, you just even the
even the trees walked in those booksdon't get me started on that. But
they could have they could have doneit more efficiently. Yeah, unless serious

(58:15):
was like, I'm committed to myrole as a dog and I need you
guys to understand what I go throughand do understand this hardship that I'm going
through Harry for you, Oh youknow what. I like that. It's
like, you guys don't have tolive off rats. You didn't have to
break out of jail. You don'thave to get locked up in a prison

(58:38):
of your own trauma and then anotherprison of a whole different kind of trauma
for a year. So you knowwhat we're going to talk about. This
This is the serious struggle tour.You're getting on the serious struggle bus right
now. We're going to hike forthirty minutes. I swam out of Azkaban.

(58:58):
Y'all can hike a mountain for thirtyexactly. That's funny but serious.
He's here now because he wants tofulfill his duty as godfather. He says
he wants to be on the scene. And there is this small part of
me that just wonders, what doeshe mean be on the scene. What's
he gonna do? If Dumbledore putsa giant pawprint up in the sky.

(59:22):
Is he's just gonna burst in thecastle to back Harry up? And you
know, never mind that people willpanic that he's there again. Is it
because if Harry dies, he wantsto have a shorter walk. I'm sorry
you said, Paul print paw printedthe sky. He's hilarious. But no,
you are absolutely right. But whatI do love about what he says,

(59:45):
I just in my heart. Itwarmed my heart because it's like,
Harry, you really do have peoplewho care for you. And for a
long time, Harry, you know, you probably felt that you did not
have anyone, and here you havesomebody who is going out their way to
let you know, no, Iam here and this is what I'm supposed
to do. That's an excellent wayto put it. Maybe maybe that's it.

(01:00:07):
Maybe it's just because Sirius knows thatpeople aren't telling Harry stuff and that
Harry a lot of times feels like, in spite of having friends around him
all the time, that nobody reallygets him. But there are a lot
of parts of Harry's journey that Siriusdoes understand that not everybody does. So
maybe maybe it is just a moralething, because hey, he's got to
be somewhere, he might as wellbe, you know, in closer proximity

(01:00:30):
to Harry. Maybe maybe that's it. It's just as simple as that.
But I do like the idea ofthe giant paw print going up in the
sky, Like that's a fan fictionthat I'm gonna have to run with.
Now I'm gonna call it Pawprint inthe Sky because I have a wizard rock
song. It's one of the onlysad songs I ever wrote. It's called
paw Prints in the Sand. It'sit's like Harry trying to write letters too

(01:00:52):
serious about trying to cope with thefact that he's gone. Now it's one
of the only sad songs that Iever wrote. But it's called paw Prints
in the Sand. So now I'mgoing to write paw Prince in the Sky
as a comical fan fiction of seriousbeing a dog themed vigilante superhero who gets
his missions from Dumbledore. That's hilarious. That is Please share that once you

(01:01:15):
write that out, Please share that. That is hilarious. But the rub
in the cave and they do allthis talking about all the stuff that they
haven't been told by anybody, andI'm thinking, I never really bought Ludo
Bagman. It's like I didn't know. I'll admit when I first read this
book, I didn't know what hewas up to. I didn't know what

(01:01:36):
he was after, but I didn'tthink he was responsible for any of the
bad stuff happening to Harry. Likeit really, it's when you get to
the end of the book you reallyit's one of those things where you feel
like you should have pieced it togetherbecause it's simple, it's not necessarily the
most notorious thing, but it istied into the plot because he is trying

(01:01:57):
to help Harry cheat. If he'snot trying to get Harry closer to his
death, then why is he tryingto do it? But I'm one of
those people that when there's a mysterylike that, I don't try to solve
it. I just get to theend of the book because rather than figure
it out and feel satisfied that Iwas right, I get to the end
of it and I'm like, oh, because that's more fun for me.

(01:02:22):
But I I was clueless about whatLudo Bagman's agenda was, but I didn't
buy him as this big red Harring. He's supposedly the one who's trying to
sabotage Harry. I didn't buy that. I didn't buy it as the one
who was trying to sabotage Hary.I just took it as he is just

(01:02:42):
really either a fan or he reallyhas a bad gambling problem and needed to
get Harry to win so that hecould get all of the change that he
needed. I'm also like you,I don't want to stop what I'm reading
to try to figure everything out.I'd rather read all the way through to
have that like, Okay, nowI see the connections in the tie.

(01:03:02):
I like to do it that wayas well. And I think even serious
like pointing to I don't really knowmuch about Ludobagman except he used to be
this big quidditch hero. Does thatI think kind of points to how really
he's important to this book. ButI think that really just points to Ludobagman
is not one of these characters who'sgoing to endure. He's not going to
be around after this. He's notgoing to play an important part in future

(01:03:28):
plot lines. He's just he's hereto kind of tie a couple of loose
ends together for this story, likehe's here to help tie in the goblins
who are looking for Bartie Crouch supposedly, but they're not really he's here to
kind of. I mean, he'sthe head of the Department of Magical Games

(01:03:49):
and Sports, so he's somebody fromthat department has to be here. And
then he's also really I think mainlyhere because since Fred and George needs something
to focus on this entire year,they're trying to get their money back from
him because they're trying to start theirbusiness. They don't have dragons Den,
Shark Tank anything to go in frontof and get their big investment. They're

(01:04:10):
just trying to invest with their ownmoney. But that's it's more Barti Crouch
VI Fred and George than you know, Barti Crouched v. Harry that I
think matters as far as why LudoBagman's even here. Yeah, I think
Harry would have invested his thousand gallionsanyway because he didn't want that money.
He never wanted that money. Likewe started off our discussion from the shout

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out Maxima about how Harry you know, doesn't really care too much for money.
Money can't buy him love, buthe would especially that money because he
didn't want money that he won ina tournament where he just witnessed the return
of Voldemort and the murder of afriend. He doesn't want that money.
Fred and George, on the otherhand, they're trying to put something good

(01:04:54):
in the world, something positive byyou know, the goal is laughter,
not you know, doing mean things, although they they do have a lot
of harmful pranks, but they're tryingto do something more useful with the money
than Harry probably would have. Sohe would have ended up giving them that
money anyway. But Harry has evenmore of a reason because he sees how
screwed over by Ludo Bagman they get. So of course Harry has to come

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and try to save the day orhelp out the best way that he can
well, and Harry at least Harrycan't defeat Voldemort now or by himself.
He can't control a lot of whatis happening around him, but he can
control what he does with this money. He can benefit somebody he cares about

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who's doing something that he can feelgood about investing in. So it's a
small victory, but it's an importantone for Harry because it lets him wrap
up this whole year that ends withone of the worst things he's ever been
through to date, with being ableto do something nice for someone he cares

(01:05:59):
about. That part I really like. I like that as well, and
it's always Harry, not always,but I do love seeing Harry try to
help those that he cares for becausethey do so much for him. So
that reciprocity for me from Harry isagain always warms my heart. Always me

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too. And to bring it backto, you know, Serious being around
having this conversation with Harry and hisfriends and he says, he says the
thing all the other adults you knowwould say, you can't understand what it
was like. You're too young.And Ron says, you know what,
we're tired of hearing that, whydon't you try us? And Serious is

(01:06:41):
now the only adult who says,okay, I'll try you. And he
tries his best to explain to themwhat it was like and to tell them
the kind of stuff that other peopledon't want to tell them, and he
does it by telling them about here'swhat happened with Barti Crouch. He was
this guy who was so furiously againstthe death Eaters and the Dark Arts that

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he fought just as dirty as them. He gave the orrors the power to
do illegal things he made killing themand torturing them. Okay, but meanwhile
we're locking them up for doing thosethings. So were we really better or
were we better because we did whatthey did but for our cause not their

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cause? Like are we really thebad guys here? Or are we just
playing the game of life? Thatwould be playing the game of life,
because again, Bartie had his intentionsset on being the top man, the
top dog. He put his careerbefore everything, so he was someone by
any means necessary, And if Ihave to play dirty, I'm going to

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play dirty because I want to behere and nobody is going to get in
my way. Essentially, and evenahead of his son, I know,
just talk about, you know,feeling bad for a kid who could have
turned out so differently, because Imean, we've talked plenty about how when
you really look at what he wasable to achieve and like his overall magical

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ability, if Barti Crouch Junior hadnot been turned to the dark, he
could have gone down in history asone of the most powerful and important wizards
in history. But now people don'teven remember him. They assumed that he
died because all that people remember abouthim because of the way that the story

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goes is that he was discovered witha group of death eaters and he supposedly
died in prison, and nobody's evergoing to know otherwise, nobody's going to
question that. Yeah, no,because it gets buried, it does not
get talked about, and nobody's everto our knowledge, nobody ever goes forward

(01:08:55):
with the truth and says, bythe way, remember when we thought Barti
Crouch Junior died in as could ben, Yeah, it turns out that didn't
really happen. Also, Alistair Moodywas in a trunk for nine months,
which is probably fine. You know, my first time reading that, I
had to go back and like,wait a minute, this was Barti Krouch

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Junior the entire time. Like thewriting on that was awesome. But the
fact that it goes back to whatI was saying earlier, what happens to
you when you were a teenager inyour very informative years definitely plays a role
in how you move and shake whenyou get older. And I think for

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Barty Crouch Junior, I think hewas just looking for that. I don't
want to say that love, butjust that recognition from his father, And
because he couldn't get that recognition orthe love, if you will, from
him, he went on to findit elsewhere. He sure it did,
and that that even serious. Isn'tone hundred percent sure that Barti Krouch Junior

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was a for real death eater becausehe even says, I don't know much
about this kid. I don't knowwhat he did supposedly, but I'll tell
you this. He was caught andbrought into prison along with people that were
most definitely like some of the elitedeath eaters, and that just makes me

(01:10:29):
wonder. I don't know. BartikrouchJunior is the only one at his trial
who says, I wasn't there.I wasn't involved. It wasn't me.
But if he wasn't there, thenwhy was he even with them? Because
this is Bellatrix Lestrange, the numberone disciple of Voldemort, and her husband

(01:10:54):
that she only married because he's apure blood, and his brother who is
also there, that's his role.He's also there. We don't find out
anything about him, we barely ever. The only time Rodolphus and Robusting come
up again is when they're all atthe Ministry of Magic failing to retrieve the
prophecy. Bellatrix is clearly the starhere of the Death Theaters squad. But

(01:11:16):
if Barti Crouch Junior wasn't doing anything, what was he doing with them?
Also? How soon after they torturedNeville's parents did these Death Theaters get arrested?
Do we know that? Because Idon't think they actually say. I
don't think they was a immediate orreally take while I don't think they actually
say either, because that's always beena little bit of a mystery to me

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too. Bellatrix at least is oneof the death Eaters and has done some
horrible things. And these death Eatershave managed to avoid detection for a very
long time. They're the only oneswho were still willing to go out there
and openly do Voldemort's work after Voldemort'sdownfall, because they're the only ones who
believed he was gonna come back.Was it Voldemort that was keeping them from

(01:12:10):
getting themselves caught? Like are theybeing sloppy because they don't have his leadership
anymore? Or how exactly did theyget themselves caught? I want to know.
That's a good question, and Ithink it happens. We've talked about
this as well, with all ofthe death eaters who did not get caught

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and who were out there living theirbest life during this time, the ones
who were really truly down for thecause. Bellatrix, I think if she
was not caught, I think shewould have made it her business to do
anything that she could to get toHarry m hmm. Oh absolutely she would,
because when she I love the backand forth between Bellatrix and Snape in

(01:12:56):
the second chapter of Half Blood Prints, when she's given him this life list
of why didn't you, why weren'tyou where were you when Voldemort fell?
Why didn't you ever try to getin back? And why is Harry Potter
still alive? And when she burnsherself out, he's like, before I
answer you, and oh yeah,I'm going to answer you. I'm going
to answer every single thing that youjust said. I love the back and

(01:13:17):
forth between them is just it's delicious. I love it. But that's that's
a fair point. If she wasstill out there and Harry Potter was still
at large, she would I thinkbe trying to find a way to get
to him. Oh yeah, whichagain again another thing that drives the story.
But your most dangerous death eaters inaskaban until they can get to get

(01:13:41):
out and have your story move alonga little bit. I just anytime the
subject of as Caban comes up withthem being in as Caban surrounded by dementors,
just they really really did not thinkthis through by putting the dementor in
charge of as Caban, Because whenSirius says most go mad in there and

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plenty stop eating in the end,I'm thinking, Okay, so wait a
minute, how often are the Ministrywizards in which is actually coming to check
and make sure that people are onlyserving out their sentences? Because if they're
going mad and they're not eating,do you force feed them to keep them
alive so they can serve out theirsentences? Because I've never worked in a

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prison myself, but my father wasa chaplain in a prison for a long
time, and apparently this is somethingthat occasionally comes up. You have prisoners
who are refusing to eat for onereason or another, and they will occasionally
have to feed them in order tokeep them alive. And we won't get
into the methods that they have touse to do that. But if you're

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not finding a way to sustain themand keep them alive to serve their sentences.
Then isn't everyone going to as Cabanessentially serving a life sentence. That's
a good point. Yeah, I'mprocessing what you're saying. Yeah, that's
really that's a good point because weknow that it's not very often that you

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get sent to as Caban and thenyou get out of as Caban. We
know that Hagrid is sent to asCaban as a precaution, don't get me
started on that, and then hegets released. We know that Marvolo Gaunt
and his son Morphin. Morphin getsthree years I think, or one of

(01:15:32):
them gets. Yeah, Marvolo getssix months and Morphin gets three years.
Marvolo gets out and he doesn't diein prison, but he dies afterwards because
he was old and weak and hecouldn't feed himself. Morphin gets out after
three years for what he did,and then he gets thrown back in for

(01:15:54):
something he didn't do. Don't getme started on that either. But clearly
some people get released. So howmuch effort do they actually go to to
keep the prisoners alive and not starvingin as caban? And also who's doing
the cooking? Can dementors cook?I's about to say where are they getting

(01:16:15):
the food from? Yeah, who'sbringing food to as Caban? Who gets
that job? That's like you dowhen you mess up at the ministry.
But you're not going to get fired. They're saying, you know what,
you're going to do a little bitof time on Azkaban food delivery duty.
You're going to have to go outto as Caaban with the food, be
around the dementors a little bit,make sure they get the bread, the
cheese, whatever, you know,whatever government rations the Ministry is providing for

(01:16:41):
the prisons so that the prisoners don'tstarve to death. What are they feeding
them, where's the food coming from? Just how much effort are they going
to to keep the prisoners alive,because obviously the misery is their punishment,
regardless of the severity of their crime. Just so many questions about Askaban,
and none of them are good.That's a great deep dive to just go

(01:17:03):
through and get all of those questionsanswered. So we find out. We
don't find out much about most ofthe death eaters that Snape was palced with
because at some point they turned fromtalking about Barti Crouch Barti Crouch Junior.
They don't know much about Ludo Bagman, but when Sirius starts talking about Snape,

(01:17:25):
he's conflicted as far as the situationthey're in now. Because he hates
Snape and he's always going to that'sa given. It's whether or not he
believes that Snape is genuinely on theside of good because he has all of
these, all of his closest friendsthat he can remember from when they were
students together. Definitely, for surewe're death eaters and forty percent of them

(01:17:49):
are dead, because he mentions Rosierand Wilkes. Rosier was killed by Alistair
Moody, Wilkes was killed by Uros, probably Moody, possibly because as we
said, the Borers were given powersto kill, not just capture. And
then the Lestranges he mentions they're amarried couple. So presumably here he's only

(01:18:14):
talking about Bellatrix and Ridolphus. Idon't know if he's even thinking of Robastan.
But when they were at school together, Bellatrix wouldn't have been Bellatrix L'strange.
She would have been Bellatrix Black orwhatever her was her last name.
Her surname was black before, wasn'tit, Yes, Yeah, because it

(01:18:38):
was it was. It was theBlack Sisters, it was Bellatrix Andromeda,
and yeah, because it was NarcissaBlack on the family tree connected to Lucius
Malfoy. That's okay, But he'she's not. He's not mentioning that they
might be related, because they can'tmention that. This is one of those
things where I think it was inthe author's mind, but they're not.

(01:19:00):
They have to be selective about whento release information because if she releases it
now, Harry's gonna have questions.So she strategically holds on to that until
we get to the tapestry of theBlack family in the next book. That
way, it can be a plotpoint then, because it doesn't have to
be one now. But this mighthave on you know, just not looking

(01:19:23):
at it in terms of how arewe going to structure the narrative of books?
Looking at it as okay, whatif this was a for real situation,
This might be a good time tomention that he has a very very
evil cousin who is still in jailalong with her husband and her brother in
law, and that this might comeup later because, as you said,

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she's probably going to be out forboth of their blood serious is blood and
Harry's blood if they ever managed toget out of prison. So Harry should
probably be concerned about her, concernand scared. Concerned and scared because she
is a worthy adversary. She is. I know. Harry's got that protection
on him when it comes to Voldemortbecause of one thing and another. But

(01:20:11):
Bellatrix is somebody he should be legitimatelyscared of. Because the only reason Harry
does not die at Snape's hand inHalf blood Prints is because Snape knows not
the time, not the place,and he genuinely does not want to kill
Harry. It doesn't go that deep. He does want to take out his
issues on Harry, but he doesn'twant to kill him. So the only

(01:20:33):
reason Harry doesn't die at Snape's handis because Snape doesn't want to kill him.
But he could have very easily diedin that moment, And had Bellatrix
been just given free reign on Harrywith nobody else around, she would have
killed him and he would have diedand not thought nothing of it. Absolutely
she would have been she would havebeen proud to have done it. But

(01:20:54):
then she because she would have gottenthat blood lust that I know she has,
and she would not have thought itthrough and thought, you know what,
Voldemort really wants to be the oneto finish this kid. If I
kill him instead, Voldemort might notbe too happy with me about that.
She's just gonna go for it.The one that intrigues me the most out

(01:21:15):
of these five, though, apartfrom obviously Bellatrix, because there's enough there's
enough Bellatrix content to talk about herall day. But he mentions Avery and
how he managed to be the onlyone of this group who talked his way
out of prison, and supposedly he'sdoing something for the Ministry. We know

(01:21:36):
that in the next book, Rockwoodis the one who gives Voldemort the whole
tea about what the Hall of Propheciesis and how that works, and Voldemort
says he's been badly advised, andthen he says, send Avery to me,
and Avery is in big trouble.So I'm thinking Avery is one of

(01:21:58):
those death theaters who ended up gettinga job the Ministry, But I don't
know if he works in the Departmentof Mysteries or not. So, but
he's clearly positioned to give Voldemort information. So what's he doing That's a good
I don't know that's I guess Icould buy that he still works in the
Department of Mysteries, because we don'tknow how they structure the department because they're

(01:22:19):
called unspeakables. But maybe he worksin a specific area of the Department of
Mysteries, just not the you know, the Hall of Prophecy specifically. So
maybe he knows the room is there, but he doesn't fully know how it
works because they don't give you thosedetails unless you need that classified information.

(01:22:44):
Maybe he works in the brain room. He said need to know basis,
Yeah, he was on the listof needing to know, he was not.
And then I'm pretty sure he endsup getting killed during the Battle of
Hogwarts. I don't recall, butI'm pretty sure he's one of the one
who gets killed. Then now whenHarry, one tiny thing that kind of

(01:23:05):
sticks out when Sirius is giving thisbriefing to Harry Ron and Hermione is when
Harry mentions Kharkarov showed him something onhis arm, and Sirius doesn't really know
what that's about. I feel likethe dark mark thing. They know what
a dark mark is. They allknow that it was put up in the
sky and that it was his symbol. But I feel like this dark mark

(01:23:28):
thing has clearly been a concept Voldemorthas been using for a long time,
and they fought against him once hehas seen his fair share of death theaters.
I would imagine I would expect thatDumbledore would know that the dark marks
on their arms is a thing liketheir means of communicating, and that he
would have given that important information toall of the people who were in the

(01:23:49):
Order of the Phoenix before. Soit's a little surprising to me that Sirius
just says, well, I don'treally know what that's about, Okay,
I see where you're going saying thatis true. Dumbledore, if he knew
or was aware, should have passedthat information onto everyone to say, hey,
make sure you're looking for this markthat they're using to communicate with Voldemort

(01:24:13):
exactly like it. Just the linemakes it kind of seem like too serious.
It's a throwaway. But this darkmark thing, it's there's a whole
chapter called the Dark Mark, andwhen Draco supposedly gets one branded on him
again, it becomes important. Themethod that Hermione develops for Dumbledore's army to

(01:24:35):
communicate is inspired by this concept ofthe dark mark on their arms. A
few chapters from now, when Voldemortsummons everybody to the graveyard, that's how
he does it. So it reallyfeels like this, this dark mark thing,
it could have maybe even been droppedhere like this is again it's within

(01:24:58):
the same book, but it's droppingof information. I think you could have
just being a little bit more practicalin terms of what you're telling Harry.
I think you could have dropped thedark mark information in this chapter. I
got I see what you're saying,so that they were aware. No,
yeah, yeah, just one morething for them to know, because you're
the one who's saying out of everybody. Okay, I'll try you. I'll

(01:25:20):
tell you what other people won't tellyou. So it's all about the dark
marks because they're probably going to needto know. I look at it that
way. But then we wrap upthe chapter with, as I mentioned,
serious giving Harry some very sound andresponsible advice. The end of the chapter,

(01:25:40):
he tells him, I don't wantyou sneaking out of school to come
see me. Just focus on whatyou need to focus on and then we'll
deal with other stuff. And ifyou're talking about me, call me Snuffles.
Which is adorable. I love that. That's that's that's, that's it's
a it's a brief moment of comedyafter so much darkness. That gets talked

(01:26:04):
about in this chapter is it's sucha cute words. Enough snuffles and to
see that the big black dog andyou're calling this dog snuffles, yep.
And here he is hiding out ina cave, giving very sound advice,
just trying to be there for Harry. And it's such a departure in the

(01:26:27):
next book when we get him beingdepressed taking out his issues on this same
group of children because he's locked upin this very depressing house that just reminds
him of all the torment. AndI think there's also this very big let
down with Sirius because when he tellsHarry, we'll see each other again soon,

(01:26:53):
but I have to do what Ican. I think he really thought
he was going to play a biggerpractical role in what they get up to
fighting Voldemort. Then he actually getsto, but he gets locked in this
house. And I do agree withwhat Hermione says. He's keen to egg
them on so he can live vicariouslythrough their misadventures. But for this brief

(01:27:13):
moment, he's trying to mentor themin a responsible way, not in and
get out there and cause mischief kindof way. You know. A part
of me feels that it's a Iwant you guys to be safe, But
Hermione's insight on it, to meis spot on. To try to live

(01:27:35):
vicariously through what they're doing. Ithink a lot of times, if you
think about it seriously, he hasto, for the most part, live
his life as a dog. Sohim trying to get in on what he
can I think being able to livethrough run Harry and Hermione is something that

(01:27:57):
pops up every you know, everyonce in a while. Well, I
agree. And the way that beingtrapped in that house in the next book,
the way that it has this completeeffect on Sirius's demeanor and his behavior,
it reminds me of the way Ron'sbehavior really really gets worse when he's
wearing the horror Crux locket and allof these other factors like his environment are

(01:28:20):
changing, which is even more significantI think when you think about how that
same locket is in that house withthem the whole time in order of the
Phoenix, so he's not wearing it, but it's there. So is it

(01:28:40):
not only wearing the horror crux,but possibly even proximity to it, because
we know that when they're trying tothrow stuff away, Creature steals back the
locket and he hides it with histreasures in his little nest underneath the boiler.
But does he he wear it sometimes? Is he wearing it close?

(01:29:02):
Is it like a bluetooth or aWi Fi kind of thing where if you're
close enough to lock in on thesignal, it's going to completely mess with
your mood. Yeah, that's agood point because with the whole wearing the
locket dependent with the way Ron wasacting. It's also to me how it

(01:29:23):
affects you, because then when Harryor Harmione were wearing the lockett, you
could see or you could feel alittle bit of their difference, but not
to the extreme of Ron. Soagain, is it what was already innately
in you and just bringing that moreto the forefront. So for serious being

(01:29:45):
in the room and then being closeto the pendent Lackett, was that bringing
some of the stuff that was innatelyin him to the forefront. Possibly it
just it's obviously not bringing out likeif you have maybe more positive qualities to

(01:30:05):
bring to the forefront, like ifyou're in a happy mood or things are
going well, I don't think it'sgoing to shine a light on that,
so it's obviously bringing the darkness andthe negativity. Or like specifically, I
think what it is is that,Like, think about when the locket opens
up and it shows Ron this physicalmanifestation of what he's afraid of, that

(01:30:28):
they don't need him, that he'snot important, that Harry and Hermione are
romantically involved with each other. It'sabout trying to hold onto your fears and
use those to get the better ofyou. It's more internalized when you're just
wearing the locket as opposed to whenthey open it. But I'm thinking maybe
if Serious even was too close tothis locket, maybe it was locking onto

(01:30:53):
his own insecurities about feeling unimportant,failing as a godfather because he can't do
anything for Harry, failing as asoldier for Dumbledore because Dumbledore won't let him
out to do any important work.So it's holding It's I just it makes
me wonder if they had somehow openedthat locket when Sirius was around, what

(01:31:14):
would it show him, probably Harry, you know, telling Sirius, you
were supposed to look after me whenmy parents died. They died for nothing
because you weren't able to, youknow, protect me the way you should
have. Or Dumbledore saying I onlylocked you up because you aren't as great
as you think you are, andyou only think about yourself, so you

(01:31:38):
can't do anything to help anybody.I don't think it's going to show Michael
Gambin and Daniel Ragcliffe embracing the wayit showed, Well, wats it at
Daniel Ragcliffe embracing. It's obviously notgonna go there, but it makes you
wonder with each of these characters thathave at different times been in close proximity

(01:32:00):
to this necklace, or even havingworn it, what would they see if
they were the ones to open itup. Yeah, that's interesting, very
curious. Perhaps perhaps this is oneof those things where normally I would I
would throw this out and say,I know that the listeners who get on
our message boards they always have,you know, great opinions about this kind
of thing, So I wonder whatmaybe even they'll have to say. I

(01:32:23):
would love to read that and seetheir take on that. Well, they
go back to school, and Ronsays, poor Snuffles, imagine having to
live off rats, Harry, hemust really like you. And he's right,
which is again why they should besending him more food. They should

(01:32:44):
have brought him stuff that you canpreserve, or even if serious I mentioned,
why doesn't serious just operate them tothe top of the mountain instead of
making them do the serious struggle bustour? Like why doesn't he just take
his wand and multiply some of thefood that he's gotten instead of wolfing it
all down. I guess because whenyou're that hungry, you don't really think
too much about being practical, Likeyour hunger can be a very big distraction

(01:33:10):
for you when it gets that severe. I can't personally relate to that,
but I know that there have beenpeople who have seen exactly that kind of
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you. Oh my gosh, whatis that? It's it's for camouflage for
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