GOF, 31 Revisit: Directionally Empathetic

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This is episode three hundred and seventysix of Aloha Mora for June seventeen,
two thousand and twenty three. Welcometo another episode of Aloha Mora, the

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fandom's original Harry Potter book Club.I'm Bianca Lynch, I'm Ashra Chalder and
guess who's back back again? It'sme Patrick Musleak, the editor. But
I'm not the important person here areawesome special guest Kate is Welcome back,
Kate. The way we were talkingbefore, it sounds like you have been
on a few episodes of Homore inthe past. I have. I was

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on episode I wrote them down becauseI can never remember. I was on
the one September first Dementures on theTrain, I don't know what number of
the episode was, and then Iwas on three hundred and thirty three tell
of bottle More. It was meawesome, Wow, you've been on almost
as many episodes as I have,so just experienced as me. Welcome that.

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It's very fun. I love it. This is one of my favorite
things to do. So well.We love having you. Do you want
to just refresh everybody on what yourHogwarts houses and those fun Harry Potter details
sure. I was originally a Griffenderwhen the beta thing for Pottermore started,
and then when they resorted me whenthey switched Wizarding World, blah blah blah,

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they put me in raven Claw.So I'm a griffin Claw and I
had my lovely raven Claw, butwe've had technical issues, so my lovely
raven Claw is gone. And Iwas also representing Gryffender. Just as I
thought that was. You had thatwhole sorting hat back there, like any
faith looks like just so like it'slike looking up in a direction like you're

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whoever I say you are today.That's right. I love that hat so
much. And if you want tosee these things, you'd have to watch
the video. Yes, definitely.Last year I was a school librarian for
my elementary school, and it wasin there I had the floating candles in
the libraries and the hat and allthis stuff. So it was really fun,

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very cool. So yeah, Iam, let's see, Oh my
wand is maplewood? Can I askwhat your day job is? Just because
I find that always to be interesting? Sure? Yes, my uncle job
is? I Well, this lastyear I did RTI for eighth grade English
UM and before that, I didthe library, and before that I was

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an aide just fifth grade, andI float around. So I've just always
been teachery, not like the teacher, the the head teacher, but I
always am in the room helping out. Um. Yeah, so well,
thank you very much for joining usfor another episode. I want to take
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we're delving into the dark art likeKate. Like Kate already said, though
she did mention, we've been havingsome technical issues. So, like I
said before, it's the wild West. We don't know what's going to be
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my sexy transition into the next partof the episode, which I think I'm
supposed to do because it says myname by it. Today, you might
be wondering what this episode is otherthan whatever we've been doing so far.

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Today we're going to be talking aboutGoblet of Fire chapter thirty one, which
is, in my opinion, thechapter before one of the best chapters in
the entire Harry Potter series. Iwas very excited the last time we talked
about this episode or this chapter wasway back on episode sixty nine insert some
sort of gig gig giddy nice soundeffect here me later, and that episode

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was called Oh Godfather, which werecorded back on February eighth, twenty fourteen.
That episode originally had Michael kat Noahand we had a special guest that
was named Kelsey on that episode.So go check that out if you want
to do a little extracurricular stuff butdon't feel like you have to. Also,
just a reminder, Goblet of Fire, chapter thirty one, a third
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the shout out Maxima for this week. This is from episode three. Wait
hold on, I want to Iwant to shout out Maxima and I could
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you for that, Patrick, Yeah, no problem, you appreciate it.
So for the shout out Maxima,this is gonna be From episode three hundred
and seventy four where we had Alison, Jeff, Tracy and guests David and
this comment was from is it GrifferWren Prefect or Griffin Prefect? It's okay
because I feel like I want tobe like Griffin Prefect, because like Griffin

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Door can also be griffer In Prefect, which that I'm like, No,
it's straight up Grifferin Prefect. Idon't know, let us know, Okay,
So I guess Griffin Slytherin. Isthat what we're going for Gryffin Grisseltherin.
I've never asked. I guess you'llhave to let us know in the
comments. They've been around forever,so yeah, drop us a comment and
let us know. But I didlove this comment from you that said I

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much prefer our prologue to an epilogue, and prolog can give great backstory to
really jumps out a series and setthe tone. An epilogue never really feels
necessary to me. A good storywould tie up all those loose ends with
the need of an I think itshould be without the need of an epilogue.
But I get read meant I likeboth but if I had to pick,
it would be prologue, no contest, And I just wanted to say

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that I twelve thousand percent agree withyou. I think that sometimes an epilogue
leaves more questions than answers, likecough cough, why on earth did Harry
name his child after Snape? Whatever? Anyways, but I think that that
has happen on not even just inthe Harry Potter series, but there are
a lot of books where you know, you skip over, whether it's six
months, ten years, whatever itis, and then I read the epilogue

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and then I'm like I again,like I have more questions. I'm personally
not one of those people who liketo leave things to the imagination at the
end of a book, like I'mlike, tell me, no, I
want to know, like I need, I need the I need everything to
be closed. So I twelve thousandpercent agree with you, and I know
that. Like Kate had a commentin here as well about like when there's

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both Kate, if you wanted totouch on that, yeah, yeah,
I think one person who does reallywell with both. Sorry my hands in
my face there, but you don'tknow unless you're watching on YouTube. Um
owen call Forer does such a goodjob with both of those when he does
his Artemis foul books, So Ithink if you're like him and you can
like really uh, explode the wholeI don't know universe he's creating. Like

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that's when I appreciate both of them, Like he really sets up a story
I've never read an I don't knowwhat are they about. I haven't foul
books. I don't want to spoilit. And I know, is it
a fantasy series? Yeah? Yeah, it's like urban fantasy. Is it

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like are people living at another planet? No? No, never mind,
No, okay, let's just saytwelve year old criminal mastermind and leave it
at that. Oh wow, it'sreally good. It's in Ireland. Yeah,
he's very fun to listen to it, and I don't know, he's
just great. And he's also beenpart of the Thirty nine Clues writing and

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you know, their collaboration and butum, yeah, that's another author I
just really like. And I stumbledacross him because I was done with all
the Harry Potters waiting for the nextbook back in the day, and I'm
like, why can't read it?You know, and so same thing for
me. That's how I discovered theArtemis follow books as well. I have
to say, while we're talking aboutthe shout out maximum comment here that I

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could I disagree completely Bianca. Ithink that if there wasn't the epilogue that
we get at the end of thisbook, there would be a million more
questions she answers, she answers,who gets together with, who, she
answers, how many children they haveanswered with the fact that we know they're
still happy, like they're living relativelyhappy lives. So like, yes,

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there are still there are new questionsthat are posed at the end of that
bilogue. But I feel like,especially in Harry Potter, the epilogue does
a great job actually of wrapping upthe story to the point where we shouldn't
be getting anything else after that,Like that is the bow at the end
of the story, And because sheincluded that in there, I think that's
a really big hint to the factthat she was never planning on expanding the

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series at least to the future,you know. And that for me personally,
and I've said this before when I'vebeen on a few episodes of Alahamora,
like when I finished the seventh bookand I finished the epilogue. I
just felt this like immense sense ofrelief just this like Okay, that's it.
I'm done. I don't need toworry about this anymore. Not that
I was, but like this waslike such a huge part of my life

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back. Yeah, I don't needto worry about need to make it.
His dead body's just lying right there, so I don't need to worry about
it. My biggest worry was ifthe castle was going to be rebuilt,
and you know, like, whatdo you mean, right? I really
I was glad to know that,you know, Hogwarts was still going on,

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like it wasn't just done. Sothat was the one bitter relief that
I was looking for. It wouldhave been interesting for her to have the
somehow figure out a way to havethe epilogue take place at Hogwarts, but
it's obviously so poetic to have itat platform that's Hogsmead station or not.
Is No, it's it's at thestation in London, right Yeah? Yeah,

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So that I mean obviously reflects youknow, the beginning of book one
and everything. So I guess,like, you know, a reunion.
Do they have reunions at Hogwarts?I don't know, don't know. Also
in terms of responding to the comment, I neither agree nor disagree. I
think it depends on the prologue versusepilogue. Certain stories require an epilogue,
I think, especially if it endsand like, you know, very abruptly,

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like a lot of characters that area lot huge like changing at the
very end of the novel. Youwant to see if they continue those changes
the present. Um, it's like, yeah, kind of the case of
the epilogue for you know, HarryPotter, I think it kind of does
give us that kind of answer,even if it isn't the most like great
of an epilogue. It's so like, you know, get wrapped up like

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things that we were like questioning,like how does you know life going on
after the end of the of theiryou know, the war, I guess,
and he Draco are still there atleast at this point. They're kind
of like, you know, yeah, they're not enemies at least too much
anymore. And I mean it doesanswer a lot of questions. Yeah,
I agree, I think that um, And I think going back to what

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Asher just said, I think itdefinitely depends. And I read the question
as like if you have if youabsolutely had to choose between prologue or an
epilogue in general, I don't thinkepilogues it are bad in general. And
I think after after something like this, after seven books of like crying,
laughing, fighting, dying, likeyeah, you like absolutely we had to

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have an epilogue for this um butI definitely think that it does. It
does depend. Now. Let meask this, because you can have a
prologue and an epilogue in more thanone book in a series, right,
like you a lot of books startout with prologues. Or is it literally
like the definition of a prologue justat the beginning of the first chapter an
epilogue just at the end of thelast chapter of the whole series. I

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don't think so. I think it'sper book. It could be filling in
an NFO in between, in betweennovels and certain circumstances. Well, in
a lot of times, an epiloguein the middle of a series, all
right, I would assume is likesort of setting up for what the next
book is supposed to be. Yeahso, or just like continuation the end
of the first book something like noI was just a little extra fun tidbit,
like a fun chapter of like themjust doing something like enjoyable the hidden

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scene at the end of a Marvelmovie. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
it's just that it depends on itdepends on the function of the epilogue and
prologue. I think in terms ofthe series, I think it just really
varies upon the story and the author'sdecisions for their creation. Yeah. I'm
reading the Sue Grafton Alphabet Mysteries andI'm one letter. Oh yeah, I

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just started letter. Oh so,um. After each book there's an epilogue.
It's literally like I don't even thinkit's like two pages it in since
it's like a mystery, it justkind of tells you like, oh,
yeah, so that person ended upgoing to jail and you know whatever it
is. So, I mean it'salmost like you know when you watch a
movie about um, like about likea celebrity that died however long ago,

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and then in the end exactly andit's like, oh, here's what ended
up happening to these people, LikeI think, yeah, exactly. I
think I just think it gets moretricky whenever it's like really far in the
future, right, Like if you'relike, here's what happened next, versus
here's what happened five years, tenyears, twenty years later. Then that's
when it's like when there's such ahuge gap, I'm like that I got
more questions. But how did theyhave a wedding? Did they go to

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the courthouse? Like I we needto know more about this like having baby
process, Like I'll just okay,not the process, That's not what I
meant. I'm very aware of theprocess. Questions you're all answered in Harry
Potter, So that's fair. It'smaking out Harry Potter pensil Like characters,
you have to like let's say,like you have like a character that's like
really unreliable house like addiction, andthen like it get clean in the final

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novel, and you want to,like I want to see an epiloge you
know that they're still doing well andlike like like you know, like a
healthy pathos with them, like crashingagain, that kind of thing. I
think it helps, like you know, cement the future of the of the
of the storyline that may a longactually be continued, but also like you
know, just also helps consider occasionallyadd to a characters like character like oh,

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the epilogue reveals that, like youknow, they didn't change in the
end or like you know, theylike they've changed completely or whatever. Yeah,
it helps kind of set up certainaspects of a story, but if
done correctly, and like how bigof a hole is left? Like if
anyone watched Queen Charlotte. Oh andif you did not, what are you
doing? Um exactly? But younotice how like at the end, we

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didn't even find out what happens toAfrica? Is it Reynalds? Was that
his name? Or was the onewho was like the one who was like
the advice the king? Oh?Yeah, we never found it. They
set up this entire series of like, Okay, here was this like really
on the hush but really amazing gaycouple that we fell in love with,
and then all of a sudden theshow was over. And then you see

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him like dancing like by himself,pretending to you know, like the flashback
of when he was dancing with Reynolds, and you're like, okay, but
what happened to Reynolds, y'all justnot go tell us like that was like
disrespectful. I was like, yeah, if a story is relying on an
appologue, tie up a huge bunchof loose ends, and that's not well
done. In my opinion, Idon't. It shouldn't be the heavy.
It shouldn't be the the the waythat you tie up a story that should

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be in addition to what's already beenfilled into the much of what you want
to if there's another book in aseries you know coming after that one,
but three hunds should do it.Chapter revisit I get point me Chapter thirty

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one, the third cosk Okay.So this chapter summary was written by Tracy,
so I just want to point thatout. She did a great job,
and I'll try to do it justiceby reading it correctly. Goblet of
Fire, Chapter thirty one. Thischapter has so much in it. Ron

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and Hermione spend their time helping Harryprepare for the final task. Even serious
starts sending messages every day to help. Finally, the day arrives, but
not before a defamatory article about Harrycomes out by Rita Skeeter. Harry takes
it well, gone off me abit, hasn't she. But through all
this Hermione gets an idea about howRita is getting her info and runs off.
Bill and Molly come to wish Harrywell and spend the day with him.

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He gets through the final task andthrough a series of events, Cedric
does two, and the chapter endswith them both deciding to grab for the
cup yeah, and cycling all theway back to the beginning of the chapter
to actually get started on our discussion. I believe Bianca you the first point,
So I do you want to startus off? Yeah, let's kick

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it off. So I guess myfirst question as um as I was reading
this chapter was like, does Bagmannot does Baggerman this is back in the
day. Did Bagman know what hewas doing? I mean, my whole
thing is based on what we've beentold about as character. I don't think
so. But then I also amlike, maybe it's fun to ponder that

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he did, or maybe maybe thewhole reason, maybe there was a reason
that this was written in here right, and maybe he really did know.
But I guess that question was neverreally answered. But I'm just curious,
what do you all think? Holdon, I can can I ask just
for a little bit of clarification aboutwhat you mean? Oh? Yes,
you know what, that's very fairby bad Okay, So well, I'm

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talking about like the flashback in thePencive where um Bagman was on trial that
happened exactly exactly, and so um, you know, according to him,
he had no idea was it rockwell rock someone was a death eater and
obviously he ended up he ended upgoing to ask a band. But do
we think that he really did notknow that he was passing gone information to

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a death eater or that he wascompletely an innocent or not so innocent.
I think that's a great I thinkhe had a clue. I would I
would tend to lean that way aswell. But then I start thinking about
how he's sort of like a player, right like he knows all the situations
and the pieces in a game totry to make like or at least he
thinks he does to try to makelike bets and all these things to try

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to like He He seems to melike someone that would have inside information and
would like legitimately know things now whetherhe knows. I do also think that
he is someone that would give informationaway without really necessarily thinking about the consequences
of that too much. So Ithink I do tend to lean to the
to the side that he did notknow, But I could also see him

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trying to maybe play both sides alittle bit, just because he would have
all this information. I don't know. I personally see him as kind of
a conniving, sneaky guy, likekind of the guy he go to get
something illegal in the Wizarding World,like he has the connections, So I
can see him kind of um pullingthe strings a little bit, you mean,

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kind of kind of like a stuffabove Dung right, like you like
you know, Dung is like thesecond but like Bagman is, like you
can't really know connections. I thinkhe'd play for whatever side is going to
get him the biggest payout. Yeah, we know that he's he's sketching with
money. We know that for afact because yeah, you know, those

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Wins are going after him this wholetime over the bet they want or whatever
it is. So I think backthen when he was younger, though I
can't imagine him having a clue,he seemed really stupid, and and now
that he's older, I think he'sway more sneaky and like I mean,
but still not I don't. Istill don't think he's evil, but you

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know, yeah, I don't thinkshaky knaws some Winki knows something and so
does Skeeter, and I don't thinkthat thing back then and the pensive was
enough to be like, oh,he's a bad wizard, like it was
obviously he was just stupid then.Yeah, So I think, in my
opinion, I think the author wasgoing to go so tell us more.

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I think that was going to bemore of the plot. And I'm my
guess is because she dangled it asa carrot in front of us, like
there's more to this guy than wecan see. I think it got edited.
That's my theory. I think therewere too many nuggets dropped or that
loop to not be closed a littlefor Weekie to be that freaked out about

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him, and he was just agood discernment, so empaside so much and
like it's so present and everything,and then like nothing kind of goes from
that, right, but only inthis book. Yeah, yeah, we
don't see him every again orly herefrom him. That's like it can't be
just the stuff with Fred and Georgeeither, Like I mean, okay,
the guy is always trying to putone over, you know, with money,

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but again it was it's kind oflike, well that's gamblers stuff,
Like it doesn't seem like something Winkywould be freaked out about. Well,
see in the case. In thecase of Winky, I can definitely see
that Bartie Crouch Senior would definitely notlike Bagman at all. I mean we

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see that, but like he is, like Bagman is everything that Bartie Crouch
Senior probably wishes that he could bea little bit more like. You know,
people really like Bagman, you know. And I'm not saying that Bartyekrout
Senior has ambitions to like be likedby everybody, but definitely the characteristics that
Bagman like most has and shows arethe things that Bartiekrout Senior would look down
upon. And so I could seehim being at home and the text even

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kind of alludes to that that heat home, he would probably talk a
lot of trash about him, andWinky would ever hear that and think that
he's probably worse than maybe he actually, Yeah, I agree with that.
But would she be a f ofhim, I don't know a question.
She seems the elves have a lotof discernment, I think, and I
that's the one thing. Her responseto him is what I go back to

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every time, like there's something elsethat we're just not getting that's out there.
I want to know what it is. Yeah, I wouldn't say I
would call Winki the most like emotionallystable of the lot. I'm not stable.
I still think a minute, whyis Winking not emotionally stable? Because
just because of what happened after shewas fired, she has I know,

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I think she I think she's hasan unhealthy reliance Sabarti Crouch, and therefore
the separation kind of sets her ona bit of a spiral because she's not
doesn't know how to function without havingsomeone telling her what to do. Then
I think we have to apply thatto every single house elf because they're all
that way with their masters. Butit's kind of like, uh, you

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know Stockholm's own German as sense,they're not allowed to go anywhere and do
any thing or be anything there finallylet go from their captors, they can't
adapt to life with it, likenot being bossed around and controlled. At
least when we see Winkie, youknow, she's having such a hard time
dealing with it something. Yeah,she's just she's scared, you know,

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she's being manipulated by you know himessentially. I'm sure she's being like,
you know, told that she's gonnahave horrible things done to her. She
like spills anything that she hear overhears, and I'll that Jazz I can't see
him being a very kind person,so I'm sure she's also like emotional,
like manipulated into thinking that like somethinghorrible is going to happen to her if
she's like, you know, toocritical of her, you know, owner

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yeah, yeah. Moving on fromfrom that, though, I just the
first thing that I thought of whenI was reading this chapter, and it's
just I think it's like a couplepages into the chapter, but there's sort
of like a clear ending point ofthat sort of beginning part of the chapter,
as Harry's going to bed and he'sreflecting on the fact that he did
not tell Ron. He told Ronand Hermione basically everything that him and Dumbledore

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talked about for the most part,but he kept to himself the thing about
Neville's parents. And I really likedthat whole paragraph where it's talking about how,
you know, he feels bad forhimself and his parents, but what
he actually thinks that Nevill has itworse. And I like the idea that
even after such a crazy day thathe just went through finding out all this
crazy information and talking to his friendsabout it just like mere minutes before when

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he goes to bed, he's layingthere and he can hear Neville snoring,
and that's his final thought before hegoes to sleep, is is just like
and then his final final thought isthat it's all Voldemort. Like, Voldemort's
the one to direct our focus too, because he's the one that tore all
these families apart. And I thinkit says a lot about Harry that he's
not sitting there just like dwelling onhimself and his own problems, and he's

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thinking about Nevill in that moment,and it jet just struck me as a
really really nice thing to read there. So yeah, people may disagree with
me, But in terms of theparents, I think Neville got the worst
end of the stick there because it'slike his parents are dead but not really.
It's like worse than having a closure, he has no closure because he's
stuck in that mid zone. Yeah, I think this is not so really

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good foreshadowing because at this point wedon't really know you know a lot about
the Lestrange's number one um and thenwe also know that like in the next
book, we're going to learn aboutthe prophecy, so I also feel like
there is some element of like,this is kind of it's kind of there's
kind of like a little plug hereof like, hey, Neville is a
little bit more important than then yourealize. And then you know, obviously

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his importance to the to the storybecomes more um consistent at this point because
we were given more of like aconnection to Harry here as to why he's
a bigger picture moment, I saidan even more so than that too,
in terms of the foreshadowing. There'sa specific line in the chapter that says,
like verbatim, Harry felt a stronganger towards the people who did this,

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which we learn in the next bookthat it was Belatricks, a strange
that did this. So that's evena subtle hint at that. And then
his eventual you know that that ragethat he feels in that moment just sort
of like sleep sitting there in bedis what comes back when he tries to
cruciate her at the end of thenext book and everything. So yeah,
I think there's definitely a lot ofempathy there. And if you just you
know, think about it from youknow, Patrick, essentially what you were

(29:21):
saying before, like essentially that umyou know, Harry was kind of like
comparing the situation and it kind ofOh, is that a kiddy? This
is Morlena. Yeah, she wasgoing to jump on the keyboards. Okay,
lets herself into our room. Sorry, she can break our luck doesn't

(29:41):
work forty Well, sorry, y'all. I just I can't. I can't
not responding animals. Sorry you want, but no, I was just gonna
say that. Um. I thinkit just also highlights empathy and how like
as humans, you know, wecan we relate to people who have been
in either are the same or youknow, similar situations as us. And

(30:03):
on the flip side of that,if you have not been through something like
that, it's not something you wouldn'treally, it's not really something that you
would think about. I was havinga conversation with someone at worked the other
day because, like, my dadpassed last year, and so you know,
I've had a dad my entire life, and then you know, like
now I don't have one who's physicallyhere, and you know, it made
me think about another woman because herdad had like recently passed and with a

(30:26):
Father's Day coming up and everything,it made me very aware of like,
wow, Bianca, you know,you had, you know, your dad
in your life for twenty nine years. There are a lot of people who
lost their parents even sooner than that. But it's not something that God was
really you know that to be veryhonest, It's not something I was really
that mindful about, you know,during like you know, Mother's Day,
Father's Day, et cetera. Butlike whenever you have gone through something personally

(30:48):
or whatever, you can relate toan experience, like you just have a
certain level of empathy for other peopleand you just it gives you another lens
that you wouldn't have otherwise. AndI think, and obviously we see in
the book a lot that Harry.One reason that Harry loves the Weasley family
so much is because he doesn't havelike that. That's what he really wants,
right, He wants that big family. He wants that like parenting thing,
and like if you have that,And I'm not saying Ron takes it

(31:11):
for granted. I mean I'm surehe does. I mean we all take
things for granted, right until youknow we can't anymore. So I just
thought that was another interesting point tohighlight. I think it's important to mention
that you were saying empathy, butin the situation actually be sympathy that he
has. Yeah, And I thinkit's important to highlight that I don't think
Harry has a lot of empathy.I think he has sympathy, and when
it's something relating to something he's ableto relate to, he gets it.

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But when it comes to empathy andlike feeling compassionate for others outside of the
realm of what he's able to relateto, he's not good at it.
Um So I think it's important tomention that he's That's kind of fair.
I could have had it, butI won't. I think he's not very
empathetic in the long run, becausethat is a solid argument that he's not
that impretented to a broad spectrum ofpeople. He if it's not like his

(31:56):
close circle, he does not care. But I also feel like for every
I think Harry is as empathetic asmost people his age are. That is
that is true, but just Ithink I didn't have an ounce of empathy
until I was like twenty five.That is true unless you're like specifically gonna
Personally, I'm a very very empatheticpersonally. I'll cry over seeing someone else
be sad, like I can feelother's emotions, but like other people aren't.

(32:20):
Yeah, like that's also a childthing, guess. But he's just
not empathetically I don't think in thelong run, he's very not understanding of
people at all, which I wetalk about a ton on the other episodes,
just in general about certain things likeMyrtle and like just kind of like
understanding other kids, like who havegone through like you know, other stuff.
He just doesn't get it. Okay, Myrtle was also weird, thought,

(32:45):
he does not pretend like Myrtle likethis sweet in this chapter. This
chapter. Okay, she's stuck in. All I have to say is she's
stuck in perpetual teenage thirteen year oldera constantly with no ability to grow and
at all because she's a ghost,and constant bullying from every single class that

(33:05):
she's ever seen for the past howevermany years, forty years. She was
bullied when she was she was live, and she's continued to be bullied when
she's dead. Okay, so shehad flood black bathrooms and do and like,
I mean, many other things totalk about. Let's talk about the

(33:27):
stuff in this if you want tohear how I feel about that. Go
to the previous episode in three seventyfive. You had a lot to say.
One thing before we move on.One thing. One time when I
was a kid, my mom felloff. We were trying to break back
into our house because we'd loved ourselvesout. Yeah, she stood on the
woodpile to get into the window,and the woodpile shifted and she smacked her

(33:49):
head and she had amnesia for aday. And that was the scariest thing
ever to be a kid and yourmom didn't know who you were, and
she just kept saying all I knowwas don't let me fall asleep, Just
don't let me fall asleep. AndI'm just like, oh my gosh,
She's like, who are you.I'm like God. So, yeah,
I think it would be worse tohave parents that didn't know who It's like

(34:12):
being subjected to, like, youknow, a kid being subjected to having
both parents have severe dementia, likesevere or severe severe dementia. Yeah,
it's frightening. Okay, but let'smove on to the next part of the
chapter, which I think was maybemy favorite because I took the most notes
about this chapter. But I justlove when the trio are they're talking about
the trio training. I think it'sjust so funny. Patrick, did you

(34:34):
come up with that trio training?I wrote that. I love that,
like I don't think that. Idon't know when I read that, I
don't know why, but I justreally like that. I wanted to say,
go ahead, oh well, I'lltake that. That's great. It
made me think about and again,listeners, you have to kind of put
put it for me to put itin context a little bit. I haven't
read the Harry Potter books for quitea while, and so just reading this

(34:58):
one chapter was really interesting. Butthat got me thinking a lot about the
Dumbledore's Army from the next book,and about how they are all talking to
Harry about how he's a great teacherand everything. And we know that Harry
learns different spells in every book andHermione and Ron always help him and they
all work together a lot. Butin this chapter in particular, it talks
several times about them training and justlearning new spells, and I just thought

(35:22):
that that this whole section of thechapter, and when it comes up a
couple times throughout the chapter, wasreally nice to just imagine them practicing and
you know, hitting spells on eachother, and at one point want Ron
like freezes a wasp in the airor something, and I'm just like,
this is so cool. I lovethis stuff. Well, it's like you
know, whenever you get really interestedin something and you go down a rabbit

(35:43):
trail, that's when you really learn. Yeah, okay, because you're interested.
And it's not like, oh,you have to learn this for a
test. It's just something that Imean, I know they're learning it for
the task, but they you know, they're there. I think they're kind
of having some fun too, ohfor sure. And I think it's fun
too, because they mentioned several timesthat they're learning like hexes that this says

(36:04):
specifically several times that they're like learninghexes specifically, and I don't remember if
earlier on, like in the chaptersbefore this they had been studying other things,
because I know they worked a loton a CEO for the second task,
but I thought that was really interestingthat they're working on like offensive magic
basically for like Harry to like attacksomething or you know, freeze something or

(36:25):
stop something that's attacking him. Andthen what actually ends up being the most
useful spell that he uses the mostin the maze, by far is the
four point spell that Hermione finds outand it has nothing to do with attacking.
It's much more of a strategic thing. And I just find that really
interesting. I just I mean,honestly, let's the one a million reason

(36:46):
to give Hermione a shout out,because that's the you know what, that's
the kind of thing that would stressme out in the maze is the direction.
Yeah, Like I attempted amaze.I went to El Salvador last year
and I've never done amaze before,and I was like, yeah, let's
just try it. It'll be fun. I'm not kidding me a message like
ten minutes, like it was likeless than ten minutes. I was like,

(37:06):
give me out, Like it's itis. It's intense. So it's
like, imagine being in this placeyou don't know where it is you're going,
and you're literally anticipating, like youdon't even know what to anticipate.
You're just anticipating danger, like you'reyou're anticipating something that's going to, you
know, happen Like that just itcan't be a good feeling. And although

(37:27):
Harry did end up saying that itwas a little bit unnerving that the lack
of obstacles, which had a questionabout that a little bit later on,
but we'll get there. Yeah,I think you know. Earlier in the
book is when it was sort ofa revealed to the champions that it was
going to be a maze, AndI specifically went back and looked for that

(37:49):
part in the book because I wasI really started to think about the four
point spell and how it would helpHarry get to the center of the maze,
and I was really confused about it. So I found like an article
online that where someone was it waslike a thread and people were talking about
like the actual way that it wouldhelp and how it can help him navigate.
But my biggest question in terms oflike thinking about the four point spell
and how everything was set up.And I didn't even write this in the

(38:14):
dock, but I'm going to askyou guys and see what you think.
And maybe we've talked about this inone of the other three hundred and seventy
five episodes of Alohama. But themaze is magically like enlarged right, because
the actual quidditch pitch itself I lookedI looked up online is only basically like
one hundred and fifty yards by likeseventy five yards I think across. It's

(38:36):
like an like an oblong oval.And so when it first when in the
beginning, when they first get intothe maze, later they basically walk fifty
yards, it says, basically,which would be like a third of the
way through the whole maze if itwas the only the size of the stadium
itself. And so my reason forbringing all that up is the four point
spell I feel would be much moreuseful if the maze is actually enlarged.

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But if it is enlarged, itbe really hard for Harry to keep his
bearings in terms of because the fourpoint spell only points the wand north no
matter what. So it points atnorth. So you would have to be
aware of your surroundings to know whetheror not you've passed the center of the
maze or not in order for thatto be accurate. And so I went
down this whole rabbit hole online oflike the four point spell and in the

(39:21):
directions and how when you're lost somewhere, you have to have your bearings at
least a little bit in in orderto know for the knowing the direction of
north to help you, and itwas really fascinating, and I was just
I don't know, I know,I just said a lot of stuff there,
but I was just curious what youguys thought about navigating the maze and
everything, and that spell in particular, I because I am like directionally challenged.

(39:42):
All I knew was that Hermione cameup with a spell to poy Harry
in the right direction. And mebeing empathetic to other people who we need
to tide of this episode something aboutempathy. Oh, but me being very
empathetic to other people who are reallyreally bad with directions. I was just

(40:04):
like, yes, I mean,just get me in like the general facility.
I would have been like lost ina quarter, rest sparks, rest
sparks, just give me out.One of the things that I did read
online, and I know we kindof jumped ahead a little bit to talk
about them navigating the maze, andthat's fine, But one of the things

(40:24):
I did read online is that Harry, because of his quidditch prowess, would
be pretty good at judging distances.And so one of the people were the
one of the people in this threadthat I was reading was talking about how
if Harry is pretty good at judgingdistances, and he turns, like he
goes into the maze and he turnsleft and then he turns right, and
he sees how long the corridor thathe's in. Maybe even subconsciously, he

(40:46):
may sort of think to himself,Okay, well that's like twenty paces away,
so if I go that far.He can kind of have like a
topographical map or whatever, or likea top down map in his head and
kind of be envisioning how he's goingthrough the level if it were a video
game, and that he can usethe point mee spell to always sort of
help him with his orientation and gethis bearings, and that will help him

(41:09):
get because he's trying to get tothe middle of the maze, because for
a while I was thinking that hewas trying to get to the other side
of the maze, because they allenter from the same side, and I
was thinking, make most sense tohave him go all the way through,
But they're actually trying to get tothe middle. So that was where I
was kind of confused as to howthe four point spell would help. If
you passed the middle section, youwouldn't know that you've done that yet or

(41:30):
not. And then when I readthat comment about him having good spatial awareness
in terms of depth and stuff becauseof his kept looking for the snitch and
then just flying around that same areaall the time, then it made more
sense to me, and I waslike, Okay, but he is probably
really good at having his bearings atall times when he's in the quidditch stadium.
I think it's a stretch to comparea quidditch game where you were up

(41:52):
in the air with like a bird'seye view, flying on a broomstick to
when you were like stressed out,panicky in a maze with like these super
a tall hedges. I think it'sdark. Maybe that's a movie cannon.
I don't know. I think it'sdark, but it gets dark. I
think it's probable, But I dothink it's a stretch personally. And like

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I said, that's when I startedthinking about if the maze is magically like
enlarged, then all bets go outthe window in terms of him like being
familiar with the area of the space. Yeah, yeah, I honestly have
nothing I can contribute to this atall, like I thought, probably I
thought about it way too hard,I think, for way too long in
the like last three hours since Iknew I was recording this. We all

(42:35):
have those things about just like differentthings throughout the book. We like just
going down a rabbit hole of likerandom things and they being like, Okay,
let me bring this back. Ido that all the entire So,
speaking of bringing it back, though, I want to just mention a couple
other things about when they're when they'resort of at the beginning of the chapter
still and they are doing their practicingfor spells, because at one point Harry
feels guilty because he thinks that Ronand Hermione should be studying for their exams,

(43:00):
and he's exempt from exams so hedoesn't have to worry about that,
and Hermione says the line she says, at least we'll get top marks in
defense against the against the dock Arts, which really made me chuckle because I
was like, ha, ha,no, you will not. She didn't
get a bad mark in it.She didn't get a bad mark, but
she didn't get her owl, orshe got an owl, but she didn't

(43:20):
get an exceeds expectations the following you, which there's a lot of stuff that
happens between there. But I justlove that specific sort of like I don't
know, I love I love itanytime Hermioney gets taken down a peg,
because I personally think that she's onlythere to like be this perfect character and
provide all the information you couldn't getotherwise. And so I like it when
we see those moments from her,even though in this moment she's like shining

(43:44):
because she's like, no, no, I'll put my life in my expectations
on hold so we can help you, Harry, and help you get through
the task, which is she's beinga great friend. And so I love
that. But I just it reallygave me a chuckle reading that particular line.
I don't think her money put anythingon hold. I think she's been
studying for so long that she couldabsolutely afford to take I don't even think

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she would do that for Harry.You what was interesting? Well, No,
I mean like, I don't thinkthat she would act if she felt
like she were going to get likea bad score. Like I don't think
that she would be like I won'tstudy if I know, I think like
she was just like I'm not worriedabout it. Ron, Let's be honest.
Ron's like, yeah, oh great, an excuse not to stud right,
Yeah, there's something nothing we needto explain there, I would be

(44:30):
wrong twelve thousand, but still,but just to point out that was defense
against the Dark Arts is the oneclass that she did not get the highest
grade in on her owls. Butagain that's the following year. You know,
what I thought was interesting about thatline too, is okay? Did
it ever? Was it ever confirmedif those hexes were also taught? Who's

(44:50):
teaching at this point? Moody fakemoody um? Was it ever confirmed if
those hexes were also taught at somepoint in the curriculum? But because the
other thing that I was thinking isif you have to depend on looking up
all these hexes on your own inorder to score well on your owls,
that's a little shaky. For Well, the hexes weren't for the classes,

(45:12):
right, Those were just to helpHarry in the maze, So that wasn't
part of the curriculum. I don'tsee a reason for them to be teaching
these hexes that Harry is learning.Otherwise that I probably wouldn't start academically.
So then why would it even helpher with her out score? If?
If that's I guess that's what Imean. No, I was just pointing
out the fact that, you know, in the chapter, Harry says,
you guys shouldn't be doing this withme. You should be studying for your

(45:35):
tests, and hermione, he says, Oh, don't worry about it.
At least we'll get top marks inthe defense in the defense against the Dark
Arts tests because we're doing all ofthis stuff. Right. No, no,
no, I get what you're saying. This is a completely separate question
that just adds on to that islike, if they're not being taught those
things in the classroom, what aboutall the other students who are not helping
Harry with all of these hexes?I don't think. I think she just

(46:00):
means, like generally, lassifically interms of those specific hexes that they're working
on, is that they probably weresitting down pouring over a book of like,
you know, dark arts defending likehexes that would be useful, and
in the process of going through,we're also you know, inadvertently studying for
their um for their exams at thesame time, just going through looking at

(46:20):
different ones, finding what would bemost helpful. And yeah, because they're
just learning more about defense against theDark Arts in general. Yeah, maybe
there are more questions instead of like, oh what does this hex mean?
It's like what could you do?It's like they literally have more okay,
yeah, and that circumstance because there'smore than one way to like fight certain
creatures that certain things. So I'msure it's more of like a what would

(46:44):
be the like what it would bebest about that to deal with X y
Z, you know, or postpondinglike two hundred for arts or something.
You know. Well, that's thething that kind of is was strange to
me about when I was reading thiswhole part in this chapter about them training
is that they were it seemed likethey were only pretty much focusing on like
a test like not necessarily attacking andsome defensive stuff as well. But like
to me, I would think thatlike if I'm going into Amaze and I'm

(47:06):
gonna encounter obstacles, I wouldn't thinkevery obstacle would be like an attack ee
thing, you know what I mean. So I would think, like you
got to work on your wing Gardiumlevio so to like move the puzzle around,
Like I'm just thinking of it likea video game level, right,
Like what kind of stuff are yougoing to encounter? I guess they can't.
Kind of think of it in thesense that every single challenge but at
this point has been like somewhat physicallylike and like no physically endangering, so

(47:27):
it's probably gonna mostly be physical stuffand somebody fault. A lot of that
falls into the dark arts realm,I guess in terms of what would attack
them. Yeah, and I justthought that was kind of interesting to think
about. One other thing that Iwanted to mention was that it says in
the text that McGonagall got tired ofwalking in on them, like just like
practicing everywhere, and so she justgave them her transfiguration classroom to use whenever

(47:51):
she wasn't using it for class.I hate the wording in that sense.
It just sounds so suspicious. Itis very weird that it's worded that way.
Yes, it just doesn't sound likecorrect. It's like, oh,
you know they're practicing and that she'swalking in on them exactly. So Yeah,
but I thought that was interesting becauseit made me think, like,

(48:14):
Okay, first of all, whatother areas. I'm sure they're probably just
talking about empty classrooms and stuff,but it's kind of fun to think of
them, you know, like Ican't imagine McGonagall was necessarily looking for them
specifically, but she's just like walkingdown the hallway carrying her books and she
looks into a classroom and like Ronflies up against the wall or something,
or or Hermione is just like,you know, frozen in a bubble or

(48:34):
something, and she's like, you, guys, again, you need to
do this somewhere more safe, whereI can keep a bit more of an
eye on you, you know.And so I just thought that was kind
of fun that that specifically pointed thatout. That would be such a great
um, a great movie montage.It's just all these innocences of like McGonagall
like coming across them. I wouldimagine it being like wherever their classes were

(48:55):
so like, because they had classesall back afterwards exactly, like because they
have classes all over the castle.It's like one minute they're like here,
and then you know, near NorthTower, you know, near the um,
you know, the Great Hall orwhatever, and then it's I would
imagine it would be something like that. But that is funny to think about.
Well, and then I was thinkingtoo, like would it make sense
for them to go outside and practice, and then I thought no, because

(49:16):
you wouldn't want to do it infront of a place where like Draco and
the Slytherins and people could see you. It's honestly kind of interesting that they
don't have dedicated spaces to practice spellworks. In terms of like class stuff.
That's a good, Like I'm assumingthey have to practice defensive and you
know, offensive spells at least occasionally, whether that beyond themselves or other other

(49:37):
items like we know, like theyou know, in certain circuses, like
in the Hogwarts Mystery game, likethere you see them like practicing like dueling
out on like the outside of thepitch area with like dummies, but like
we don't see that like or inthe books. Typically, I don't think
as far as I'm concerned, atleast there's like no like dedicated area like
like you know for them to likepractice their like work, that like would

(49:58):
be not you know, harmful tothe other students. Yeah, well you
would think that just because like atthe beginning of the whole thing, like
the champions have to practice that youwould think that they would give them a
champion area is her champion area,this is your champion area, you know,

(50:19):
So you can work on your stuffso you don't die. Like that
just seems like common sense to me. Yeah, and it never happened.
Kat. You also had mentioned,um, just like a kind remark about
McGonagall, how she takes pride toher students really like, yes, her
classroom management skills, you know,I mean, that's a big deal when
you're a teacher. So I thinkshe's someone who takes pride in the fact

(50:42):
that her students are well mannered andyou know, they do what they're supposed
to do. There's in the placeswhere they're supposed to be, so she
thinks, you know, But um, I think that she's probably out doing
realnds and that's why she's everywhere allthe time. She seems to have a
good finger on the pulse of theschool. Also, she's a cat,

(51:02):
and I just feel like cats arekind of like that too, like they're
everywhere, and then they're also knowright right, she probably has enhanced like
senses too, because she has thatcat like you know animateous part. Do
you think she turns into a catlike in the castle sometimes? Just to
like that would be I would say, no, I think she's that would
be like uncouth to unprofessional. Sheprobably would look down on that because but

(51:28):
then what else would she do it? What? After hours? Like,
just do it at all? Iknow, what's a movie ism. I've
just been for the take of transfiguration. But she does turn from a cat
to a human. And I guessthe first movie when Ron and Harry enter
late into the classroom, when they'relike first official, I can't be the
only time she does it all year. Listeners, please let us know what

(51:49):
you think, because I would loveto know, Like, when else do
we think McGonagall turns into a cat, because Patrick says not during the school
I think it's weird she's doing itafter hours on her own. Ash's confirmed
that she does it on the firstday of class. I don't think she
needs to do it at all though, because as a need. No,
I don't think I think she diddo in order to become the transfiguration teacher.

(52:12):
I'm not. I don't necessarily thinkthat you have to be able to
do that. But I can't remember. Dumbledore can turn into whatever he wants.
Come on, that's fair, that'sfair. But you know, but
but I think I can't remember exactlythat McGonagall like peace or whatever, that
was on. But I swear Iremember somewhere reading or something about how she
became an animagist or so that shecould like like for the purposes of teaching,

(52:37):
like but I could be totally wrongas an experience kind of thing.
Yeah, so um u in themovie she does it in the first book,
but in the books she does it. Yeah, because when when they
come out from uh nation and yeah, and Trelawney has said that Harry's going

(52:58):
to die and they're all sitting thereand she's like, hey, this is
the first time my transformation hasn't wowed. It's a class what's going on?
You know? Like that we seeher do it then, and I think
she waits until that year to showthem. Yeah, like there it seems
like yeah, yep, and thatbecause it's a very advanced thing. So
you think she like transfers like sleepbecause it probably as more comfortable to sleep

(53:21):
as a cat than this is ahuman. I mean, like, when
is it more convenient to be acat? And then my brain is like
always except when you're not teaching,like I don't, I just feel like
cat and until you have to eat. Oh yeah, yeah, they're just
so agile. Yeah, I mean, like I said, listeners, we
would we would love to hear.I think it's fun to ponder regardless when

(53:43):
do we think and if we dothink, does McGonagall turn into a cat?
Because I feel like, use itor lose it? And if you're
an anima just and you never doit, that's weird to me. It's
so hard to become that, andto become that and not ever do it
is like just for the sake ofsaying you're an animated right, And we
had only gotten to see her inthe books at the very very first page,

(54:07):
like you know, we see heron the wall watching the Dursleys,
but then we don't see her doit again until you know they've had their
first divination lesson. So right,yeah, that we see at least that
we see right to finish this littlepart of the chapter off though, where
we're talking about the trio, theTrio tram. That part also, I

(54:30):
can't remember if it says exactly thatHarry's like going to bed the night I
think it's the night before the task, but it says something along the lines
of that he is feeling like he'sprepared for the first time in any of
these tasks, like he felt reallyanxious before the first two, but now
he's still feeling anxious, but hefeels like he's done all that he can
to prepare for this one. Andit says that no matter what the outcome,

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he will feel a sense of reliefthat it's over. And let me
say, from a sympathetic point inview, I cannot relate to that anymore
than I do because I feel thatso hardcore, because that is exactly how
I felt when I was playing footballin high school. I absolutely hated it

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and I was in I went toa very small school. I've talked about
this before on very long like probablynine years ago when I was on a
lhomorrow before. But I went toa very small high school and had I
not played on the football team,we may have not been able to have
a football team because we wouldn't havehad enough people and so and when I

(55:35):
look back at on that part ofmy life now, high school, like
I all I think about is likemy regret is not like being doing things
more and like being more aware ofthings at the time, because I don't
regret having been on the football teamever. But my reason for bringing this
up is every time we would havea game, like I would get so
anxious and nervous about it, andthen after it was over, I just

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felt like so relieved or we won, whether we lost, I didn't care
at all. And I'm a bigguy, and I played like every down
of the game. I was onoffense and defense, and I was our
punter and an important part of thegame. And I'm tired for you just
yeah, yeah. And it's notlike I was ever in shape, even

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in high school, so it wastough to get through that stuff. But
it wasn't the physical thing that Ididn't like. It was just the whole
aspect of it, having people relyon you and stuff. I was never
good with sports that much. Butbut anyway, like this feeling of Harry
being relieved when it's going to beover, when really I feel like if
he was more present in the moment, he should be excited for it,
and he if he does truly feelprepared for it, I think it says

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a lot that he is more relievedand we get the next day in a
little bit, we might talk aboutit when he does have that moment when
they're in the maze, and itsays for the first time since he was
first announced that he was a champion, he allowed himself to think about what
he would be like to win.And that really stuck with me because that
means that the whole time he hasn'thad very many positive feelings about the tournament

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at all, which we know thathe's been thinking that that someone's going to
kill him in Dumbledore and Everything hadthis plan, so like, there's all
sorts of things going on, butthe idea that he hasn't been thinking about
it in a positive way really inany aspect, and that he's just going
to feel a sense of relief whenit's over, when he should be feeling
something really good and joyful, eventhough again the whole situation of him being
in the tournament in the first placeis crazy. That really stuck with me,

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and I really felt like I relatedto that a lot in that particular
instance. So so's so there's likemultiple times in this chapter where someone goes
to bed thinking about something and it'sreally profound to me at least, I
guess that's what I really stuck withme this chapter. Now, that line
actually really it actually stood out tome as well. I think another piece
to that is that and it also, of course it depends on the type

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of person you are, but Iknow that for me and this is literally
it's gonna be anything on planet Earth. I don't care how much I love
it. I do not like thingsare dragged out like I am. There's
there is nothing that I enjoyed doingfor like a super super long time.
Maybe swimming, maybe that's like theonly I could be like on the ocean
like forever. But other than that, it does not matter what it is,

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even if it is something that issupposed to be really excited, Like
I remember, did you guys havesenior project? Was that? Like is
that like a universal thing? Yeah? SCE is pretty right, and you
know how it's like, well,it's like well basically it's literally like the
entire year. And I remember gettingthat done and looking back and being like
we literally could have done that inlike three months. Why did Kings have

(58:34):
that? I get it exactly.I'm like, why is this still going
on? And like even even formy wedding and like people to this day,
like when they would ask me andmy now husband, but like back
then, like are you excited aboutthe wedding? Like we were excited,
but we were also like, we'realso excited for it to be done because
we're tired of planning a wedding.Like like, it doesn't mean that like
we didn't like we weren't excited aboutit, and like we didn't you know

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what, we didn't enjoy it.But it was also like, oh my
god, it's so nice to notbe planning a wedding anymore, because we
planned it in like nine months,and there are people who thought we were
crazy. They were like, youdid all that in nine months. It
took me eighteen months. And ifI took eighteen months and plan a wedding,
I would probably cancel it. There'sI mean, that would make me
exactly exactly. So I think thatis also a piece of it, right,

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you know, we all know thatthese books are all kind of centered
around a school year, so like, for so much of this school year,
Harry has had to worry about theTry Wizard Tournament. He did have
some breaks in between where you know, he was kind of procrastinating. But
I think it's also just a matterof like, damn, let me just
get back to like worrying about mynext exam vers like that, Like he's

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on that's the one thing he wantsis to just be normal, and this
is just one other thing that madehim abnormal the entire time exactly. And
he doesn't even have quidditch right,It's not even like he even kind of
has like that balance of like theone thing that he really loves that allows
him to just like go in theair and feel stress free, and instead
he has this thing that he's noteven supposed to be doing. Someone literally
like illegally drafted him, and like, I'd be tired of it too.

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I'd be like, just let itbe over, Just let it be over.
She talks about that too, likewhen he's at um what hogs need
or no. At one point he'slike, oh, I wonder what it's
like to just go there and enjoyyourself, you know, when he watches
the other kids. So I'm evensupposed to be doing it. He's also
just doesn't want to do it.Like it made more sense if you're excited
because you were looking forward to proticipatingagainst tournament from the get go. But

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he didn't even have any like aspirationor do you know, desire to like
join this the minute was announced.It's like, nah, I inderstand he
was excited to watch it. Remember, like he was excited to literally be
in the audience so watch it andthen and instead of drove a wedge in
between him and his best friend.Yeah, I'm sure there's still a lot

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of like, you know, unnecessarytension between the two and maybe if they
don't are trying to like work pastit, it's still probably a little awkward
here and there. And I'm surehe's like wanting it to be over seeking
like kind of like get rid ofthe thing that was causing a huge,
you know, riff between him andas best friends. Yeah, people were
bullying him, like the Potters,things that I don't know. I don't
know how many of you have everbeen like the target or in bullied in

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any type of way where like whetherit was like a rumor or what exactly.
And that is horrible, like whenyou that feeling of like everyone's looking
at you. I mean, yeah, I mean we're not going to go
into Harry trauma because obviously we behere all night. Let's talk about the
next morning when they get the paperand something super light and airy to talk
about. How I think you hadsomething you wanted to bring up her Bianca.

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Yes, I really did. SoI am one of those people and
you're either going to agree with meor gonna be like you're dumb. And
that's fine because I feel like that'swhere everyone should be love me or hate
me. But whatever it comes tothe media, I just think that I
think that it's really powerful the waythat the author highlights how impactful media is.

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And I know that there have beenconversations on like older episodes about how
like it's like why is the DailyProphet only like the only source or like
where like why are there not right, you know, like other and maybe
there are and we just don't hearabout them. But at the end of
the day, just the quibbler,Yeah, I'm less less, be honest,
not not really competition for the daylater. Right, that's even that

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they even staying still even more fearinto people. We talked about that a
little bit, yeah, because it'sback when we were talk talking about like
I don't know, Order the Phoenix, Luna Love Good or whatever. We
talked about how that also like instillsfeared and people just like different really bizarre,
like you know, conspiracy theory typeof fears as opposed to like more
legitimate exactly and like, as someonewho has been in communications from my entire

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career, Um, I'm like,I am a marketing girl, but I
mean I've also been I've worked likemedia communications, all of it. And
literally, the more fear that youcan instill in people, the more money
you make. And it's one ofthe reasons why I personally personal choice.
I'm not someone who watches the newsa lot, like I would like read
like the scale, like I'll hitlike the highlights, but otherwise like,

(01:03:07):
I don't do it because I knowthat they literally they are going out there
seeking the most heinous, the mostfrightful. They're going to find the most
wild stories to tell you. Andthere's there's so many people in my life
who were like They're like, oh, well, I can't believe you would
do that, or I mean Iput in the document. I put like
the travel example, because I loveto travel, and there are a lot

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of people who were like, oh, I can't believe you went there,
or like, oh, aren't youafraid, And I'm like no, because
seriously, being black in America,I'm afraid here, Like what are you
talking about? Like like, I'mnot gonna not I'm not gonna not travel
to an entire country because they're like, oh, this person got murdered in
this country, And I'm like,do you think no one got murdered in
the US today? And I knowthat that's just like one example, but

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again, I just wanted to pointout that how like this series really does
highlight how impactful the media is,and like Rita Skeeter obviously did that purposely
right like that day of the thirdtask to just you know, to start
to continue this whole thing about Harryand then also foreshadows the next book when
people don't believe Harry about Voltemore beingback. It's also like a good Rita

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also serves as a great character toalso show, like you know me,
news is often manipulated by the personthat's delivering in the said news and like
you know, what their beliefs are, because the story you're gonna get is
always going to be biased in somedirection, no matter how no matter how
like educated of a journalist you areand how much experience you have, you're
always going to have a biased opinion. And that's why there's so many different

(01:04:38):
news networks that ap peep to allcertain different people. And I'm the same
way I don't care about news.The only thing I keep up with the
lgbt Kean news and things that arehappening there, and the rest of it
is just like I don't care otherwise, I you know, it's depressing most
of the time, or like justtrying to incite anger, like you know,
anchor that doesn't need to be there, or you know, over exaggerate

(01:05:00):
or whatever. It's like a protectingyear piece thing for me, and it
sounds like it's kind of similar withus. I think one thing to keep
in mind with all of this isthat the Wizarding community is a much smaller
community and definitely not representative of likethe entire world community, which is what
in the case of what you guysare talking about when we talk about the

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news now, we're talking about likeworld news, because everybody knows everything that's
going on everywhere if you watch thenews. But news and newspapers didn't always
used to the way they are nowis not necessarily the way that they were,
and the Wizarding community is always supposedlyare supposed to be sort of a

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representation of a smaller community that isa very backwards in a lot of ways,
right, And so like I thinkthat if you were to look at
a newspaper from the seventies, forexample, I think that you would find
it to be a very different lookingnewspaper than newspaper today would be there,
you know, there would be Ifeel like the news used to be a

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means of communicating to you what washappening, and in a smaller community like
the Wizarding community, it's actually supposedto serve as the this is what's happening
in your community. And you know, I live in a very small town
and I have just right off camera, I have a box of old newspapers
that I bought at an auction acouple of years ago for like a dollar,

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and their newspapers from the sixties andthe seventies, And over the last
few weeks, I've been having fungoing through and reading some of them.
And when I tell you that thenewspaper comes from a town that has about
five thousand people in it, andthere's only one newspaper in the town,
there's no TV station, there's noradio station. In the seventies, if
you wanted to learn what was happeningin your area, you got the newspaper
and you read it and like Ijust said, when I tell you that,

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you look in these newspapers and there'sfive pages, and three of those
pages are literally who went to visitwho on Sunday for dinner? That's what
three of the pages are. Like, it's literally they go by town all
that's surrounding towns. So like ifyou go to like the town that's like
closest to me, there will bea little section and it's this tiny little

(01:07:10):
column and there's like four columns andit just says, like, you know,
mister and missus what's her face wentto go visit and had dinner in
a pleasant evening at mister and missuswhat's their faces place. Then the next
article is the exact same thing,and then there's a little section where it
talks about who went to the hospitalthat week. It's all the people who
were admitted to the hospital and whatthey were admitted for and when they were

(01:07:31):
released. So I don't know what, I'm just telling you what it was.
I'm just like that, right,sure, Yeah, everybody had like
an area a lady or mostly alady in the area that like knew who
visited everyone always, Like I feelPetunia could write that for the private drive.
Yeah, but you have to rememberthat none of those things existed,

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and also the characters we have inthese books none of those things exist for
them either, And so I feellike it's a little bit more comparable to
say, like newspaper that we couldmaybe understand from the sex sixties and the
seventies is maybe more what the functionof the paper is supposed to be.
But then as these world events starthappening, and Voltimore starts coming back and
all these things, like like thenews gets more extreme and everything because the

(01:08:18):
events of the world are getting moreextreme. But I don't think it's I
do think you could say that,like people who read the Daily Profit probably
know a lot of people personally thatthey're talking about in the Daily Profit,
and so I think that I thinkthat that's just something to keep in mind,
that it's like a very small communityand that news to them was a

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lot different than news to us.So while I definitely agree with you Bianca
and your original point that the newscan be used for like fearmongering and all
this stuff, I feel like that'sa very modern way of looking at it
and not necessarily an accurate representation ofa very small group of people who are
known for being very backwards the waythey think about certain things, and not

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necessarily backwards, but just like livingin the past with the way that they're
doing things. All that being said, of course, Rita Skeeter is terrible
and she's doing exactly what you're sayinghere and why that's why I think it's
so great that she included it.But I do think it's fun to think
about it from that perspective as wellof it being a much smaller community.
You know, when Missus Weasley listensto the radio and they talk about people
on the radio, she probably knowssome of the people that they're talking about

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on the radio, which for uswould be a very foreign concept to watch
the Today Show and here Savannah Guthrietalk about a person you know personally.
It's a very different experience. Butthere's possibly like worldwide newspapers for the Wizarding
World that, like discussed there wouldhave to be, don't think just never
talked about within the series. Iwould think they'd have to be. And

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we still have like local newspapers asopposed to worldwide you know news site well,
and I'm pretty sure I can rememberthat it talks about when they're reading
the Daily Prophet a few times throughoutthe series that someone will just mention casually
something like, oh, there wasthis something in something or I think it's
mentioned somewhere something about some witches inAmerica or Salem or something. At some
point. I know at the beginningof this book that there's a group from

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the America at the Quiddit World Cup. But I think it does mention world
news every now and then. Butagain there's papers that I'm talking about.
They do have a little world sectionas well, so well, yeah,
but I think you're right, Actually, they would definitely have to have something.
Yeah, but but I will alsosay that again living in an area

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of the country where I think mostpeople would probably consider it to be very
backwards. Like you, that's howlife was. You didn't know or care
about what was happening in any othercountry because it was so hard for you
to make a living where you wereat that exact moment, and you had
to work every day doing the thingsthat you had to do to make it
through to like, which is trueobviously today's still too, but like that's

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why like small communities were so important. And again I'm just talking about like
the Midwest world, United States,like and I think that that's to me,
I've always viewed the wizarding community asa good analogy or something similar to
that kind of a community rather thanthis giant, you know thing. Well,
but it probably is a combination ofcomparable to most things, because that's

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also just a given throughout history,like a lot of like wars. The
reason like certain countries didn't step insooner than they did is because they were
just too focused on their own issuesthat kind of really shared out what was
happening outside of it, like alot of it's like that's why the US
didn't step in to the Holocaust thelongest time, is because they were too
focused on what was going on internallyto really care about what's happening over and
your up to like kind of stepin. Until the news started really like

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kind of becoming a lot more youknow, like popularized and like brought like
spread around in the US that peoplestarted to be like saying, oh,
this is like a big problem,like we need to like worry about this
more. But it takes a whileif that news to like make it across
to the other countries. In thatcase, also, our president was looking
for a new wife at the time, and he was dating some lady and
she was really great, but shedidn't want to marry him. So there's

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a lot of things going on.Yeah, but let's let's keep moving because
we're I know, I'm sorry,I went two parts. No, no,
no, it's okay. Um,let's just bring him back to her
money is Yeah. So this isjust a real quick thing that I wanted
to mention. When they get thepaper, obviously, this is where they're
talking about stuff and her mind.Harry says, why don't you're the one

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that's supposed to be telling us howshe's how she's doing the bugging or whatever,
and then her money has a revelationand she runs away. Well,
sometime around this part in the chapteras well, they're discussing and I think
a little bit before and then herethey're looking out the window and they mentioned
that it looks like Draco's talking tolike a walkie talkie or something, And
I just thought it was really interestingthat in this chapter we get two specific,

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separate, completely separate mentions of walkietalkies, so that you, as
the reader, can be reminded ofwhat Draco was doing, like the page
or two pages before where he's talkinginto his hand, it looks like he's
talking to a walkie talkie, andso I just thought that was kind of
interesting. And that's what probably I'msure the only two times in the whole
series that the phrase walkie talkie ismentioned, but it's mentioned specifically twice so

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that it gets ingrained in our headand then later on because it never specifically,
I don't think the book ever saysat the end, like, oh,
that's what Draco was doing when hewas talking into his hand. I
think that's just something that you're supposedto sort of put together yourself. And
so this is the author's way ofsaying, walkie talkie, walkie talkie,
he's talking into his hand. It'sa bug, and you're supposed to put
it all together kind of yourself.And then Hermione does this and like remembers

(01:13:26):
talking to Victor and having the bugin her air. Right, So there's
there's things that happened at the endthat kind of allow you to get it
all together. But I just wantedto throw out that to walkie talking posters.
So they have walkie talk is becausethey like don't use anything electric,
electric or any like. That's whatNo, that's what hermione says, wakie
talkie to them. Now, whatHermioney says is that you couldn't use walkie
talkies because Harry's the one that bringsit up because he's he's obviously would know

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what walkie talkies are. So itjust says talking about there's some says it
looks like her it looked like Dracowas using a walkie talkie, and then
later on it mentions it again,and I can't remember the exact that I
specifically remembered it mentioned it. It'ssecond a second time, but I don't
remember the context exactly. But thenit's right around then when Harry says bugging

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and then get gives her money theidea about the buggy. They probably would
make it more sense to me ifwalkie talking was in quotations, It's like,
it's not literally a walkie talkie.I just, yeah, it wasn't
literally, so I took it aslike a walkie talking. I'm like,
I'm just trying to picture. I'mlike, that makes no sense that she
would be talking. Yeah, Iwas really Confusedly says that you like talk
into your wand and have it transmissedthe message to someone. Yes, yeah,

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that'd be really well. And that'swhat we remember. There's the extendable
ears that the kind of you didn'tneed that, like a collect call,
Like you're like, it's like yourwand comes through. It's like you got
like a message from so and so. Would you want five rates in your
pocket? Okay, I feel likethat that happens. You need something less,

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you know, enormous, like thepatronis comes and gives you a message,
but then everyone and hear it,So like, yeah, how do
you have a private conversation Like Imean, they have the thing where you
put your wand up and it amplifiesyour voice. Could you do the other
side kind of talk a message intoyour wanting when you go over to someone
else and they get to there,well, hold on the hazard hermione events

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but Hermioney invents the coins right inthe nuts book, but they can't talk
or right. I think it's justyou do something to the coin and everyone
else's coin like it's hot or something. I think, yeah, so there
is that. But moving on,because we're going a little too long here.
Moving on, when after that scenewhen they learn about that, and
Hermione runs off and Ron runs tohis last exam. McGonagall tells Hermione or

(01:15:41):
tells Harry that the families are thereto see him, and Harry doesn't believe
it. He's like, I gotno family. I'll just sit here and
finish my eggs. And he spillseggs on his front. And then I'm
laughing because the whole whole rest ofthe day I'm imagining him having like eggs
stains and stuff all over his shortBut then I thought, wait, they're
wizards. He can probably just like, you know, whatever tie to my
sure stands away. Yeah, buthe never thinks to do that. He
would never probably care Harry when missusWeasley sees him, though, Oh imagine

(01:16:08):
Harry having rogue stains that he can'tfind. I can't remember that of him.
I'm sure. I'm sure. It'slike, where did this Shelly staying
come from? Anyway, though,So McGonagall tells him to go off to
the side chamber and Cedric like sickshis head. I was like, Harry,
they're waiting for you, and hegoes, and it's a beautiful moment,
and I wanted to just shout thatout because Tracy specifically mentioned it in
Our Dock here that she thought thatthe moment where Harry realizes that Missus Weasley

(01:16:31):
and Bill came and that they're nowrepresenting themselves as his family, this is
them saying, hey, we areyour family. But that was a great
moment that Tracy really liked, andshe specifically wrote that in the Dock,
and so I wanted to shout thatout. All of those Weasley moments are
my favorite because of that. Ijust think they embrace them so beautifully.

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I just find it a bit oddthat Harry couldn't be like, yeah,
I kind of I kind of puttwo ines together who might actually be there
for him instead, because I thething is Dursley is completely preposterous. There
was no circumstance in which they weregoing to be coming, unless they were
just excited to potentially see him die, which I could. Well, there's

(01:17:12):
if they tagline the flyer invitation tothem as see Harry possibly die, they
probably would make the trip. Theywould have gotten they would have gotten the
admission fee from them if they had, if they had, if they had
tagged it that way, but alasthey did not Tracy's question was, could
there ever be a scenario where theDursleys would show up to the one If

(01:17:34):
you make a flier that says,come see Harry potentially die, then they
will be there. Okay, wehave scenario one? Is there a scenario
two? Do we think there's anyother way that they would have came if
they were the final task to defeatthem? Right? If it's the opposite

(01:17:55):
of task two, where it's thething you hate the most, exactly,
my god, you have to overcomeyour bias by saving them, regardless of
fact that you obsolete despise they'd bedoomed. Listeners, If you have any
other scenarios, we would really loveto hear them, because you can think
of a reason. But here's okay, I know I'm not saying I think
this would happen, but I willjust say this. Keep in mind that

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not too many books more. Petuniais reminded of her promise from however many
years ago, right, and shedoes she almost She doesn't act like a
mother wetna take an far, butshe she does show a little bit of

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ash is gonna correct me? Empathy, sympathy and I don't know, I
don't even know what this. Idon't. I don't even have the word
for it. But I'm just sayingeither that's now, I wouldn't. I
think it's guilt almost if anything.Okay, yeah, fine, okay,
sure, guilt. So I dothink there could be a very unlikely but
possible situation where if don't Buldor reachedout to Petunia and said, listen,

(01:19:02):
I don't know what's going on,somebody got it out for Harry and this
might be a homeboy might not comehome, like after this, this might
be the final time. Yeah,but I mean, oh my god,
trying to imagine Burden at Hogwarts withall that that would be comical, Oh
my god. But you know whathe would be. He would be humbled.

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He would be so outnumbered. Hewas like him like yanking the instruments
from the band and just like shovingit over their heads like stop. See.
I feel like he would be theopposite. I feel like because he's
like a bully and he could dothat because in his house he's like the
boss and you know whatever. ButI think if he were at Hogwarts,
he wouldn't do that because I mean, let's be honest, that's nah,

(01:19:45):
that's what you gonna do. He'snot gonna talk. It's about magical people
at Hogwarts. Hey about that?Like, I mean, but if we're
being honest, what happened was thatthe owl drop the letter off and they
just ripped it up and never evenlooked at it. That's what happened,
right, But and no other letterscome after we were sure that wasn't even
an attempt to send the letter.I would bet that there probably was.

(01:20:08):
Mcgonagalla, I do not think theletter was said, I don't know.
I think mcgonagan wouldn't because it's aquestion of whether or not they want to
reveal that much information to them aboutwhat's occurring per year. Oh that's true,
Like, oh maybe it's not agood idea to kind of give him
this information. We'll fight a dragonlike you know, become an issue.
But yeah, as I was saying, I think it's just weird to think

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that Harry couldn't be like, yeah, I can kind of figure who might
be here for me. Well,it's weird that he doesn't view them as
much as family as they view himas family, Like you don't think that.
I felt like his first reaction andbe like, oh my chosen family
is probably gonna be here for me. Like I know he thinks pessimistically a
lot, but like he didn't evenconsider the fact that like, oh,
family like kind of like be like, hm, well I have other family
aside from the literal definition of family. But he knows that serious can't come,

(01:20:54):
so he's probably like, who's leftyou know. No, I was
just gonna say, I actually thinkthe complete opposite, because if you think
if for someone who like you know, their entire life, that's how it's
been for them, or it doesn'thave to be their entire life, but
just for like a lot of years, it can be very hard to like
to accept that love. Um,I know that like for me, I

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don't have like a well, Ihave a big family, but as far
as a family that I actually associatewith, since I was maybe like ten
years old, it's pretty much beenlike my immediate family, so like I
don't really have that big family dynamic. And my husband's family is like polar
opposite. And it took me likefour years into our relationship for me to
like not think that they weren't plottingto kill me, because that is literally

(01:21:35):
how nice they were to me,and I was like, there is no
way these people are this nice.There's there's literally and I was like,
I mean that sounds I know thatsounds sad. Don't pity me. It's
fine. But as that's about aslong as Harry has had now to kind
of be with the Leases a littlebit, you know. And so I
do think it took this long forhim to think of them as family,

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and I don't I don't think evenat this point until maybe this moment,
he didn't necessarily think of them asa fam'. That's true. It's almost
like he would be afraid to,yeah, because it's like very used to
not have him one show up forhim. He's kind of just like,
yeah, when when everyone goes togreet their parents, like you know,
a special person's day, whatever theirversion of events might have been. When
he was still going to like normalschool, that he's probably used to being
the one that's like, doesn't botheryou in attending like the meeting right like

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that. He's used to like kindof being there like alone. So I
guess, yeah, it makes sensethat he would make that conclusion of like,
oh, yeah, Sam as alwayslike no one's gonna be No,
I don't know, I don't knowif I agree, because he's had this
is his fourth year knowing them,and he's spent every Christmas and like you
know, he he's been in theirhome. But they at least like they

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haven't gotten to the point yet whereit's like they are like protecting him.
Yeah, you have to think ofit from Molly's perspective as well, Like
I think this almost speaks more toMolly than it does to Harry, accepting
that they came right, she choseher and Bill shows to go, and
I think for Bill it was almostmaybe a little bit more of like a
well Charlie got to see him inthe first task and he said, Harry

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was really awesome and he gets togo back to Hogwarts. And but for
Molly this was probably a pretty bigdeal to her. And you know,
Arthur obviously couldn't go because he wasat work, but I'm sure they talked
about it, and I'm sure thatyou know, her and Bill went,
and I'm sure she felt very happythat Harry. I'm sure when she first
saw Harry and saw him being veryhappy that that meant a lot to her.

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And I think this was a problem, maybe even a bigger moment for
Molly accepting Harry into their family thanit was for Harry accepting them as his
family. I think the first timeshe knitted him a sweater, he became
her son. I think so too, But I also think I agree with
that on a certain level. ButI also conceive from the perspective, not
because I'm not a parent myself,but I could see that there is a

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certain relationship that parents just have withtheir their children's friends. And I do
think that Harry Harry's relationship with theWeasley's extends, obviously, even at this
point, way beyond that. ButI don't know. I still I still
think this is a special and importantmoment. It's kind of like a thing.
It's kind of confirmation for her thather motherly and thinks towards him aren't

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just like a one sided thing.He also has the same kind of like
feeling towards her that she is likea stand in or as you said it,
um Ka, like a surge likeparent to him. I've always felt
that way about her. I meanback during um you know, when when
Dobby was trying to keep him fromgoing back and all that, and uh,

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she's was protective too, like She'sjust always been, you know,
she's always been that way. I'veseen her, even from she got him
through the platform, like she recognized, here's this kid. But that's just
something I feel like here, youknow, like I feel like she would
have done that, not necessarily foranybody. But it after this moment is

(01:24:56):
when we the next time we seeher, you know, after this book
is Order of the Phoenix, andthat's where she's treating him like a son,
and she says, no, youdon't get everything that you want,
and she's willing to like treat himthe way that up until this point,
really she has treated him almost betterthan her children. And I'm sure that's
how Ron probably felt at certain times. And I'm sure there's moments in the
text where it sort of alludes tothat almost because again she knows that he's

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never had a family. She feelssorry for him in certain instances, and
also she's just a nice, kindperson. But it's in the beginning of
the next book, which isn't toofar away time wise from where we are
right now, where she starts tellinghim no and they start arguing a little
bit, and they have negative feelingstowards each other and I don't think that
she would do that with someone thatshe didn't consider to be a part of

(01:25:39):
her family. And so I thinkshe do that during Prisoner of Azkaband too,
like she's like she didn't tell himabout serious, like don't tell him.
I know, Okay, I thinkthat I twelve thousand percent think that
she has always been like a motherfigure. Oh yeah, I absolutely think
that, But I do think thatthis was this was definitely like a pivotal

(01:26:00):
moment of where it went to thenext level because like to be like,
yeah, come over, like stayin my house. I'm gonna feed you.
You know, I'm gonna get youthrough this, you know, Wall,
because you can figure it out,right, Like I think all of
those things are kind and they aremothering. But to say but to we're
literally talking about all these champions andtheir parents are there, and for her
to be step less beyondest Bill wasthere just for foreshadowing for Floor because Bill

(01:26:25):
and Harry like they don't even like, yeah, like let's be honest,
but I think like to be likein that, like literally the positioning here
is that like all of the championsare with their parents, so like for
Molly to show up it was likethat was like ohle to me. I
agree that it took it to thenext level, but I do also agree
that she has always been a motherfigure to Harry. Right, It's like

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kind of like their final goodbye andattempts because they don't know what could happen
in this final task. Just judgingfrom track or herd, anything could go
down. So this is like thebig moment of their chance to like tell
then you see their families before thedecision is made. Eventually, anything you
know could happen to any one ofthem at this point in time. And
also responding to what you were saying, Patrick, Um, why am I

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blanking all of a sudden, Ohno, no, I just I just
hadn't that was going. Oh Ihate that. Think about it for a
second, it'll come back. Ijust have to say as a mom,
I mean I have four sons,and I do feel that way about their
best friends. Kate. I wasliterally going to ask you if you were
a mom, because I am,because all none of us can relate to

(01:27:30):
being parents. So I feel likethat's an immits perfect sense as to like
why you your perspective on that soso strong and where we can't empathize.
I'm I'm just not messing with amaze. My best friend, her kids were
tight with my kids when we livedin the same state, and um,
they were my kids. Like theythey're still my kids, and I don't

(01:27:53):
even see them like and any ofthe people my kids embrace, they're gonna
be my They're my kids. Yeah, So I think I think she has
always felt away about him as soonas she had that, I think that
first Christmas. But I agree thatit does take it up to the next
level right here. I do agree, But I do think that she's already

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had that I love you like ason thing happen over and over and over
again for four years. I've seenit, you know, just growing in
deepening. It would be interesting togo back to, and we probably shouldn't
dwell on this too much longer.But I do think that a lot of
the things we were mentioning she reallydidn't have a say over, you know,
like, of course she's going tohelp a kid that asks her for

(01:28:38):
help at the platform, and ofcourse if someone shows up, if her
first sons go rescue someone and justshows up in the middle of the night,
of course she's going to cook abreakfast and invite him and to be
a part of the family, youknow. So like again, to me,
it's the idea that she no oneasked her to do this as far
as we know, Like this isher choosing to make the statement and say
Harry is one of my children.And even if it's just between her and

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Harry, I think that to Harryit meant a lot. But I'm not
saying that I would that Harry discountedanything she had done for him before.
But I do feel like in alot of those instances, she didn't really
have a choice, and she justbecause she's a wonderful person, and I
do think she's a loved Harry thiswhole time, you know, because we
also do see her in the sameexact scene being kind of rude to Hermioney

(01:29:24):
because she read some propaganda in thenewspaper right, which is very ironic and
goes literally into our next point ofanother parent of another champion, Amos Diggery.
Okay, we don't need to dwellhere. I just wanted to point
out that like Amos was given outall these like snape vibes with these like
wild comments and being very passive,aggressive and immature. I'm like, Harry

(01:29:45):
is what at this point fourteen Like, I'm sorry, do you think you're
cool? Because you're being like you'rebeing rude to like a fourteen in year
role. I'm like, are youserious? And kay and like you had
you would kind of like mention theinsecurity and I completely agree, Like I
said, snape vibes you. I'mnot gonna say your part, Kate U
say it. Wait he has somethingto say. Oh yeah, I was
gonna say that. They in themovie, they make him seem like such

(01:30:06):
an awesome dad, like single fatherno one else, which is not even
true because he has it's it's shownthat he has a wife, and I
you know, um, you know, they make him seem like he's a
single dad, like really supportive ofhis son. But he's honestly just a
huge ash because he's literally like puttingall and he's been rude to Harry from

(01:30:28):
the very beginning because he was likeall like annoyed with him but about the
quidditch match and like kind of likeputting in his space about quidditch match from
the minute he met him at thevery beginning before like you know, um,
the quidditch cup and everything like that. He was like being kind of
like you know, standoffice and likehe was like really rude about the whole
winky situation with Harry's wand and adark market. I like that too.

(01:30:48):
Like it like he's been like progressivelyhorrible throughout the entire book. And I'm
just like it's so weird to comparehim to like the movie version of him,
which is like kind of like he'slike kind of a sleigh moment in
the movie and the book. Here, I'm just like, oh, like
the kind of parent I would likestray away from and be kind of scared
to be around. Well, justto meet him. To me, this

(01:31:08):
whole this this part here where Amosis talking to Harry just screams at me
like annoying parent at like little kidssporting event, right, just like being
way oh yeah, yes, that'sa good example too, just like being
way too into their own kid andbeing rude to other kids and their parents.
Do you have the are you doyou have the open right there?

(01:31:30):
Can you? Yeah? Do youhave the comment that you're talking about in
front of you? Oh? Ohyes, I can find the comment that
Amos made to um to Harry.Yeah, if anyone else has it out,
but if not, I can findno like while while he's looking that
up, I'll also say that avery subtle thing where it said the mom

(01:31:51):
kind of touched his hand, whichto me was also like how often do
you have to? Like So that'sjust a parent at sports. Parents completely
different people when it comes to sports. But it was just weird to me
that, Like it was like likeright after well before it was it was
going to be over. The linewas something like Amos looked like he was
going to say something else, butthen his wife, his wife like put

(01:32:13):
his hand, put her hand onhis so be like, oh, Amos,
don't do it. And I waslike, bro, that's weird that
you got to like do that toyour husband. I'll read it. It
says, so it says as theypassed Amos Diggory, he looked around.
There you are? Are you?He said, looking Harry up and down.
But you're not feeling quite as fullof yourself now that Cedric's caught up
on points have you? And Harrygoes what and Cedric goes ignore him.

(01:32:35):
He's been angry ever since Rita Skeeter'sarticle about the Triwizard tournament, you know,
when she made out that I wasthe only Hogworths champion. And then
Amos Diggory says, didn't bother tocorrect her, though, did he?
And then he says, still,you'll show him said beating him before?
You beating him once before? Haven'tyou just you didn't bother to correct her?
Did he want her to reprint thepaper? Like, what did you

(01:32:57):
want to do? He wouldn't knowthe difference if he where to be correct
it or not, because it's veryjudging from that article itself, he should
he everyone should kind of knows.I assume that Rita's kind of like an
undermining and like kind of plays byby her own rules of Vivia corrected her.
She wasn't going to include that shestill has the authoritium what gets printed,
so the correction isn't going to doanything. Harry correct how much everybody

(01:33:24):
forgets like they know about her andthen they conveniently forget if it makes them
mad, really forget that Harry asa child. They like to really emphasize
that, and then the minute likeit actually is that thing that like a
child wouldn't be able to alter inthe slightest or like we could have done
something. I'm just like, he'sfourteen. He's fourteen, by the way,

(01:33:44):
it's all mister diggeries um self consciousness. My kid needs to prove something
and like his kid is the mostdecent kid. Yeah, like just let
that be enough. I would youassume that ams is I don't know if
this is probably is known fact asand this is also a hopplepoff time.
I was wondering that as well,his house to win something officially, you

(01:34:05):
know, kind of like you know, being the glory, to bring the
kind of the person to bring gloryto the definitely giving those fivees of like
trying to live through his son becausehe didn't get to do what he needed
to do growing up, and nowhe's trying to like put that on Cedric,
which is like not fair. Absolutely, Yeah, It's it's clear that
Cedric isn't a huge fan of thesituation either. Yeah, right, because

(01:34:25):
he's just like, ah, don'tdon't listen to him. Yeah. Okay.
So one really quick thing before weactually get to the moment, right
before the task, is that whileHarry is talking to Missus Weasley and Bill
in this sort of meeting here,Missus Weasley mentions something about one of the
paintings, and then Bill also bringsup, oh, is that crazy old
night still here? And then missusmiss and Missus Weasley says about the fat

(01:34:46):
Lady. She says, oh,the Fat Lady was here in my time
as well, And so that gotme thinking. And I can't remember if
we've ever talked about this on Alhamabefore. Is there when do we change
paintings or do the paintings get movedaround at Hogwarts? Because you know,
we've heard instances in the past bookswhere they move painting, you know,
because something happened or whatever. ButI would think that Hogwarts has been there

(01:35:08):
for a century or however long atthis point a thousand years, every single
possible area of wall space has beenfilled with paintings. So like, do
people paint new paintings for this forthe school? Are there some sort of
like is there some sort of likea painting exchange program where paintings can go
from one building to the next.What do you guys think about that?
So? Um, I think it'smore of a general statement of like,

(01:35:31):
oh, well, you know,they're still paintings. I mean, yeah,
they're inhabited by like sentient beings,what is what makes a painting alive?
But I'm do they want to knowthe parameters of what ye painting sentience?
Is there like a like a ghostthing, like it's a spell they
put on the paint when they're paintingit. I think, Okay, So

(01:35:51):
yeah, I mean I assume theykind of mean it, like, oh,
is that painting still intact? Becausethings happen. A lot has happened
in the past few years as weknow, so there's a very good impossibility
that one of those paintings was potentiallylike damage, even though we've seen that
also happened in the Fat Ladies paintingwas then restored, right, So I
mean, I guess restoration is possible. Maybe they maybe paintings can request to

(01:36:12):
be retired when they get tired ofThat's what I was wondering there, like
can they request like be like setfree, Like yeah, I won And
I wonder you know, I wasthinking if there is like an art program
at Hogwarts that we just don't everhear about, like I would assume later
on in there in the career orin the like levels or years they one
of their assignments is throughout the yearto like paint a painting that has like

(01:36:36):
sentience to it, and then there'slike some hallway somewhere in Hogwarts where they
have you know, the students paintingsup, and I imagine some of them
being really wonky or just like screamingor being crazy because it was not necessarily
painted correctly. So I love thatidea of that being painted or that being
different every year. But to me, the idea of like it would be

(01:36:56):
like I would think if you werean artist and you got one of your
paintings put in Hogwarts, that wouldbe a great honor, I would think,
And so I would just it wasmaking me think of like, oh,
are there people who's like life ambitionis to paint a painting that gets
to put gets put at Hogwarts?And then like depending on where it gets
put, is that like a higherplace of honor? You know? And
I just was something fun to thinkabout. I looked it up out of

(01:37:18):
curiosity. It's quite interesting with thefull explanation as to the difference between ghosts
and paint things aren't think serve morelike a memory? Will ghost serve as
like, you know, a physicalversion of a once living being, Which
kind of makes sense. I guessit's kind of like painting, but still
like they have more sentience than evena memory. They can move around and

(01:37:38):
do things out of like pattern.It's only they're constant stuck in the same
thing over and over again. Sothat's weird. It's very very convoluted.
Well, as we are getting closerand closer to the task. One question
that I would love to know whatthe listeners think is was Percy rightfully booted

(01:37:59):
as based on him being in troublebecause all of a sudden, people are
like, you should have known thatwasn't crouches handwriting, blah blah blah.
I'm just curious to know. Wedon't have to get into a long discussion.
Kate. I love your comment onlike Percy needed to be a bit
deflated he was getting too big forhis britches. And I know that Percy
is a controversial character, but Iam just curious because you know, we're

(01:38:21):
all like adults in like sord insome well, we are all adults.
I don't know why I said thatwe are all what I mean. What
I mean is whether it's like whetherthere's like a real job or not,
Like we've all kind of been ina situation where like we've messed up and
we've kind of felt like we wereunjustly. I don't know, punished might
be too harsh of a word,but I am just curious listeners if you

(01:38:44):
want to let us know. Imean, I think in terms of situations
fair, But I also just don'tthink he was right for him to be
a judge from the get go,because I think he's too close to the
people that are competing, Right,are you serious? I think that he
was the most unbiased judge I thinkI think he I think he's unbiased to
a degree, but only in thesense he's I'm unbiased when it comes to

(01:39:04):
like emotional connection that isn't unless itcomes you can't believe it's Harry. He's
biased towards if he has an issuewith one of the people, if they've
done something wrong that he might havelike beef with them. He's very like
critical. So like if it wasthe twins competing, I think he would
purposely go out to make sure thetwins couldn't win because he has issues with

(01:39:26):
them. They're not like he doesn'thave a bias them because he loves I
mean, don't you think that hewould do the same thing to him,
like he would he would judge Herrymore harshly just because I think, yeah,
the bias would because he finds thema tabbit annoying. So like maybe
he found Cedric Diggory's super duper annoyingthe whole time that he was at Hogwarts.
Now, person Weasley is gonna,like you know, be a biased
and Cedric is because he annoyed him, Like he's very like temperamental, And

(01:39:48):
I think that in here, ifyou're comparing him with the other judges,
I think he's the least bias.But I think it standalone. None of
these judges should be judges. There'snone, be honest, Like, let's
be honest here. Did the thirdtask ever even get judged? No?
No one can see anything. No, but I mean even seriously though,
Like this was one of my questionslater on in the dock, like points

(01:40:12):
didn't matter though, right? Becauseno, No, it wasn't though,
because it says when when in thechapter before, a few chapters before this,
when they when Bagman takes him downto the quidditch pitch and he says,
hey, it'll be really great.What your guys are going to do
is going to go into the mazeand there will be a cup in the
middle. The exact phrase he saysis whoever reaches the cup first gets full
marks. That's what he said verbatimin the book, which means to me,

(01:40:35):
I was going to ask you,guys, is it possible that someone
could pulled out like a clutch victoryhere or is it possible that someone could
have grabbed the cup and then notone You know, if you if Floor
Delacour would have gotten to the cup, she was so many points behind.
How many points do you win forgetting the cup? YEA, that's a
solid question. None of them intoa discussion. We had a few a

(01:40:57):
few episodes ago. Um it waslike I think as the episode with Jeff
Rex and Margaret I believe we talkedabout like the same situation with like the
quidditch like matches sometimes coming so closeto like certain amount of points, can
like have someone pull through where likesomeone could win that wasn't even in the
final match, that same thing exactlyexactly happens, where like it could like
someone like you said, like Iwas, if Flora grabbed the cup,

(01:41:18):
could she have pulled through and wonit? In the end completely because she
just managed to get like even twoor three points above them just by like
you know, if full marks meansone hundred points, then she would have
won that by, you know,by twenty points more than everyone else is
by being the one that grabs acup. Realistically, I do not think
you could have grabbed the cup andthen not one. I think that the

(01:41:40):
point systems up to this point wasmore so about who gets to go into
the maze first. That's what Ithink, Like, I mean, there
are no more marks. I thinkthat's kind of how I would be.
I think that it's like I gotit. I think she would have won
the tournament, And I mean thatwould have been cool because to be the
last one to go in and tomake it differ all three of those champions
would have been an amazing victory.But that would happened. So yeah,

(01:42:04):
now I need to know because nobodyexpected it to be a port key,
so like if it was just anormal task, Yeah, I never thought
about the points, like until youjudged, Yeah, because I would think,
especially with how ambiguously Dumbledore gave Harrypoints in chapter in task two for
some sort of moral fiber. Yes, but um, I mean, if

(01:42:30):
it were just a normal task,it would have to have points. I
don't know, yeah, but I'mjust never thought about judging happening in the
final task regardless. There's nothing tobe really judged, solely a matter of
who arrives at the cup first andthen do the math and figure out how
that tally's out who wins. Idon't even think there's no math. That's

(01:42:50):
you got the cup, you won, like you got you wait and you
grab the prize, because isn't Imean obviously it ended up being a port
key, but I think yeah,but I mean they say that earlier in
the book, right, like youyou would win the cup, you literally
would win it, so like whoevergrabbed it like it was theirs. So
I don't know how Cedric and Harrywould have split that up in two different
houses. But you know what happenedto the cup as sim Harry didn't want

(01:43:13):
it at that point. It's likedefinitely stays at the school. It stays
at the school that wins it atrophy. Yeah, so I would assume
it's just stay putting the death ofa of a student on display, like
here's the thing that caused a studentto die. Yeah, I mean,
but we won. This is likethe Wizarding World. I wouldn't be that.

(01:43:35):
But speaking of the task, speakingof the task, shall we actually
get to the task? Yes?And we gets get that person about the
risk parks. I don't even reallycare. I was just yeah, it's
a good okay. So so gettingto the task. Once we get too
down to the pitch, we aretold that McGonagall, Flitwick, Moody and

(01:43:58):
Hagrid are going to be patrol aroundthe perimeter of the maze and if anybody
gets into trouble, they are goingYou're supposed to send out red sparks and
they'll come and get you, orthey'll somehow extract you from the maze.
I think it says we'll come toyour rescue or something like that. So
I had two questions about that.First is, how are they supposed to
get in there? Haggard can't domagic? Do they have to run all

(01:44:18):
the way back to the front ofthe maze. That's like three questions.
The other thing I was going toask though, was, um, do
you think that if you asked toget rescued you're automatically disqualified? Or could
you run back into the maze oncethey got you to safety, you're definitely
says it definitely never says that youthink it's kind of like just like a
like reset, like a reset handicappy, yet like like you died, you

(01:44:41):
died and you got an extra lifein the video. I don't know.
I agree, yeah, probably No, it's once you're outright, because I
mean that in that circumstance that wasthat was the rules are a planing bike
that and then technically speaking, floorcould have go back down again. I'm
saying for every task now, yeah, try again once he shailed the first

(01:45:03):
time. But I am glad thatyou brought that up because the teachers,
because I had a very similar question, like, well, I guess I
guess I had two questions. Onewas was it like one teacher assigned to
one student, because and this iswhat I was alluding to earlier, whenever
Harry said that he was a littleunnerved by the lack of obstacles. And

(01:45:24):
of course we know that Moody waslike patrolling the maze and he could see
through with his eye and he wasblasting obstacles out of Harry's way. But
I'm like, where were the otherteachers. At no point did they ever
run into them. And you know, Harry even talked about how he could
hear the other champion, so itwas like, I don't know, like
that was a little weird sing withit, like Moody, you watch over
Harry McGonagall, you watch over Cedric, you know, like, and we

(01:45:46):
won't ever know. Obviously, we'rejust kind of pondering what prompted the choosing
of these teachers cifically, because Ifeel like it might be even the slightest
bit unfair to have all Hogwarts teachersabsolutely on patrol, because what if they
just secretly like, oh, I'mcoming to help you, I'm gonna heal
you and let you go back inlike you know, be biased and let
you know, the champion from myschool win, then it would just go

(01:46:06):
along with the fame of completely biasedjudges constantly. Yeah, exactly. Mean
Also, just like you said,like Haggrid can't do magic. I mean
I assume he's more of like thephysical, like you know, person that's
going to haul people out of there. But also he's the one that grew
the hedges, so maybe he hassome sort of like a magic with the
hedges that he could be like openand open sesame and they open for him

(01:46:29):
or something. I'd have to assumethey have like a fail safe of I
need to get someone out. Ican't imagine it's going to be like they
have to go through a whole songand dance themselves just to get some one
of the kids out of there.Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
So moving along um talking about thingsthat were happening in the maze, I'm
just curious, did anyone else guessthis riddle? Did anyone else get okay,

(01:46:51):
It's okay, I'm a big dummy. I mean I got so stressed
out whenever that means whenever I heardthat. I think it's a terrible riddle
too, Like it is, That'swhy I go. People make all sorts
of it's a bizarre like way toend end the task, like of all

(01:47:12):
things that could have been, likethe the allowance into getting like the you
know, the prize, like awas a golden sphinx. Is that what
it says? It is, like, yeah, a humanistic sphinx telling you
a riddle, like of all thingsI could be why that because she guards
the door or she guards the sphinx? Never ending story that like blasts riders

(01:47:35):
as they come through like that.But also right, don't look at it.
They they all they trained for wassome sort of like a duel or
some sort of like a fight.So having the ending thing actually be like
a mental thing is actually, Ithink, really cool. Yeah, I
mean I get it. I justalso just don't get at the end every
bizarre like thing. I mean,if you think about it, like the

(01:47:58):
Sorcerer's Zone though, Asher like we'reremember like there were a different task and
one of them well, yeah,one of them was kind of that in
terms of like the entire theming.Just even as a writing standpoint, I'm
like, of all things we chose, why was a giant, golden like
humanistic sphinx telling her riddle? Well, that's one of the things I wanted
to bring up. Kate said earlierabout that we never got to find out
everything about Bagman and that we thoughtshe kind of felt that there was supposed

(01:48:19):
to be more to a story thatgot edited out. To me, the
sphinx, I was always like,oh, there's going to be a sphinx
later on in the series. Something. There's a very odd detail to include
on how nothing else. So withthe Golden myster I know we're about to
bring up but like what does thatNo one know what the Golden Mist is
or if that's like like future itmay I think of the cloud from Rick

(01:48:39):
and Morty fart that, like,I just like think of this like a
little like floating cloud that like youknow, does something to you. I
don't know, like also another mentalmental like sort of obstacle as well.
It's right bizarre like stuff like likevery detailed and never be mentioned of or
like bothered with. Again, it'svery Department of mystery easy, Yeah,
you know where are you talking aboutthe mists or the things the mist?

(01:49:02):
Yeah? Yeah, it's like thatsame thing from that room in the Department
of mysteries. But the sphinx sphinxare you know in lore they guard them
really big things. So she's startingthe cup and all that. Do we
think she was the only sphinx inthe Yeah? Another sphinx? Or did

(01:49:24):
he have a different thing that hehad a bypass him? What angle you
went from? Like, there's alot of different things. I kind of
always picture the name maze is everchanging to the person, you know,
to the specific contestant. I kindof picture to kind of like altering what
it's throwing at you based upon likewhat your strengths and weaknesses are. That
kind of can like reread you andthings that want to challenge you. I

(01:49:45):
like that. I like that kindof That's why we were talking about the
dimensions of the maze. It's kindof saying like I don't know if I
see as acic dimensions, I cankind of see it changing itself based upon
the contestant and what's like happening andlike side their mind with me at the
time, like throwing a bog yourandomly because like catch you off guards when
you were thinking a lot about likethis thing that's really bothering you while you're
going through this like in the maze. Now it's like seeing standing right in

(01:50:08):
front of you kind of thing Iforget who. It's like a reverse mirror
of Arison. Is kind of cool. Yeah, the vibe of what it
is that you're saying. But Ithink even going back to what I was
saying about the Sorcerer's Stone, youknow they did say that they asked like
they asked people to contribute to themaze, right, So if you think
about you know, like Hagrid,I thought it was kind of cool because
whenever it comes at magical creatures,obviously we know about um like you know,

(01:50:30):
like buck beak and like the scripsand you know. So I thought
it was kind of cool because wedidn't really we weren't there whenever they learned
about the sphinx. So I justthought it was kind of cool that we
kind of got to learn like otherthings exactly, like we got to learn
like the other things too that theywere learning. And as someone who literally
was in Egypt a few weeks agoand I saw the sphinx that was built
like a thousand years ago, Iwas like, I had it like listening

(01:50:55):
to it this time because I waslistening to the audiobook. It also just
had me thinking, like, imaginehow freaky it has to be to see
an animal that looks like that isoffering, right, Yeah, it's a
very When he's talking to the otherminister at the beginning, like he says,
we're going to bring in us sphinks, doesn't he Well, I don't
know, but that's a good thought. I keep thinking it's like, oh,

(01:51:16):
yeah, and we're going to bebringing in a sphinx. I don't
know if he says the listeners,I don't remember. And also responding to
what you said here Bianca about howlong my teachers were going to stand by
with the spider, I kind ofalways assumed that the cup was always a
form of a port key. Ifigured if it wasn't gonna it was not
so taken in the graveyard, butmaybe transport them outside of the maze.

(01:51:40):
So like the that's what I wouldthink too. I'm thinking that, like
the pork keys, like destination wasrerouted. That's why it was like kind
of easier to manipulate it. Itjust rerouted where the destination of like where
it's going to take you is,instead of it taking outside of the maze,
which like would have then present thelike the you know, the victor
right in front of everyone, likein a moment's notice that anyone kind of

(01:52:00):
like expecting it and said they werejust transported somewhere else. But what if
I had to do with the spider? Does that happen? Because you because
you asked why, like if theteachers are gonna stand by watching them fight
the spider, but like the spiderwas only a matter of like until they
touched the coup, the cup oftape them away. Yeah, but I
mean it didn't need But imagine ittook two of them. What if there
was only one of them? Well, I like wondering if it was kind
of like anticipated that that we're gonnahave to work together in the end to

(01:52:23):
win like that. On the SpiderKing, No, I think the spider
was just told not to kill anyone. I don't think it could have because
how much Arago listened to that instruction. Remember, remember though it got the
spider got when it bit Harry's legor it lifted Harry up, and it
was it wasn't trying I don't thinkit was trying to eat him or kill

(01:52:45):
him. It was trying to puthim to sleep with this like venom or
whatever. Because it talks about it, that almost sounds worse than dying.
Yeah, But then to me,that's to me, that's sort of like
it feels like the Lord of theRings, right when when she lab like
everyone thinks she kills Frodo, butshe actually just put him to sleep.
I would assume the same thing wouldhappen. She was prepping him for later
death. I know that, butI'm just saying this is just in the

(01:53:08):
you know. And also is itconfirmed that no one can see what's happening
in there at all? Is thatbeing confirmed? How lame would be in
the audience and just to just sayeveryone does stremoney say at the end or
something like we couldn't see anything thatwas happening in will you bring spectators as

(01:53:29):
they can't see it? Right?Right? Like death and violence, we
don't need to discuss that. ButI do think that I don't know,
I don't think that anything would havekilled them in there, just exactly the
same way as the second they knowwhat they wouldn't have let people die.
Same I think there's a lot morealert, but like we know that people
have gotten some really injured and Ithink may have died for that's true previously,

(01:53:51):
so that's true anyway. UM,thank you so much Kate for joining
us. It was a pleasure tohave you and and thank you for bearing
with us. We all figured outall of these horrendous you know, technical
difficulties we were happening today. UM, we really appreciate you know, the
patients and working with us as wetry to provide solutions since those technical the

(01:54:13):
technical issues were on my end,so thank you. Well, of course,
you know all the same. Butdo you have anywhere that you would
like the listeners to like us guesscheck you out online? Like, No,
I don't have a show or anything. Don't have to be anything,
Joe, who I mean out ingeneral, be a charity, anything you
kind of just want to, likeyou say, it's your time to say.

(01:54:33):
I feel like we're putting all thispressure on Kate and Kate It's like,
no, I just want to saythank you for having me and move
on. That's fine too. Iknow a lot of charities that I've that
matter to me. I'm off topof my head. Grain of Rice project.
They're one of my favorites. Anduh yeah, uh, I mean,

(01:54:57):
I just I can't think of anythingelse off talking that one. That
one came to me. But Iknow a lot of people that do really
cool things out there in the world. But maybe a different episode when I've
had time to think about Yeah,yeah, I was just thinking. When
you asked about that, I thoughtyou meant did I have a show?
I would love to have show,but I do not have a show.

(01:55:18):
I listened to shows. I reallylike the Lower Hounds because they talk about
Star Wars and thank the Maker andstuff. Like that. So those are
my star Wars is my other love. They were kind of my first love
because I'm a kid of the seventiesand so yeah, but Harry's my second
love. But yeah, absolutely wonderful. Yeah, thank you, so fun.

(01:55:41):
Thank you for being on the showso many times from you know,
throughout the last however long consistent.I will always be available. You got
that Hupple club loyalty, even thoughI don't know, maybe retake the quiz
and a couple in a couple ofyears. She's got to come back on
the show and be like I amnow officially griffind Or Slash raven Claw Slash
knew it, We knew it.That tracks yes, And speaking of next

(01:56:05):
time, the next episode will bea chapter revisit of Definitely Hallows chapter two
the Memorium, so make sure thatyou stay tuned for that, and if
you want to. I'm not surehow to do this part exactly, so
bear with me. I now havethe obligation of seeing all of our websites
and stuff. So if you're listeningto this episode and it's the first time

(01:56:26):
you've ever heard of lohemorra, thankyou very much. I don't know how
you found us on episode three hundredsixty seventy six, you know. But
if you haven't listening to us forever, you probably know that our website is
Alohamorra podcast dot com. And ifyou would like to be oh, that's
what this part's supposed to be.Huh okay, Well, if you would
like to be on the next episode, just like Kate, although preferably with

(01:56:46):
you know, some equipment that workssometimes, um, no offense, Kate,
we have old computers. Hey metoo. If you saw the start
of this episode with a bang andhe's ending this so, well, that's
what I'm here for. When Ionly get to come on once every seven
years or so, you got it. You gotta go harrd, I'm here

(01:57:08):
for it. And you were youwere all like, I'm not going to
try to do anything. I'm probablynot going to talk that much, and
then I talked the whole most.But I do want to say that I
do want to say and I'm serious. Uh, if you want to be
on an episode of Alahamara, pleaseplease please do it, like actually contact
us. You can do it throughthe website, and I swear to you

(01:57:30):
no matter what equipment you have,you will not sound as bad as the
worst guest tracks we've had. Youknow, we've had people recording caves,
We've had I swear to god,people record on a roller coaster while it
was moving. So your track,no matter what equipment you have, will
be absolutely perfect, and it willsound absolutely amazing and wonderful, amazing editor

(01:57:50):
or anything like that. Well,you will be amazing, wonderful. I
know that I have people who arestraight up like I would love to go
into podcast, but I'm petrified.So if that is you, don't reach
out to me, just ransa Bianca. I will gash you up, I
will hype you up. Let's go. But anyway, go to our website
Alhoma podcast dot com. You canclick on beyond the Show, follow the

(01:58:11):
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(01:58:31):
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Noah Freed and Cat Miller and isbrought to you by ap WB d l
LC. Now we're recording, sothen just sit so then just set your

(02:00:42):
phone down in front of you.Yeah, is the microplia You would want
to set it down back like faceup so that your microphone is not facing
down at the table, right,and then just then just let it set
there, okay, and that canbe our backup to a backup. I
want to get one thing, okay, hold on, le no, that's
fine okay, wait, oh,I'm hearing it to the iPad. Two.

(02:01:08):
Oh, we need to make surethere's no sound going out into her
room. Here we go. Thisis another all sorts of issues. I
didn't think about that, So Iguess what needs to happen is that we
need to have either Oh no,I didn't. We need to have an
alternative set off her head set,her head set, if she has UM.

(02:01:34):
If she has headphones, she canjust plug them directly into her iPad.
Yeah, but then then the audaudacity is outvoided, really speaking,
unless we rely on the microphone fromthe desktop. Oh, I see what
you mean. So he could Iget another set of headphones and just have

(02:01:54):
one ear but like you have twoseparate sets of right, that kind of
getting a little ridiculous. Ridiculous AndI can figure that out. I don't
know. That's tough. Oh,you're right, you're right. Well,
it's a process. Yeah, Ineed a background. This is bad.

(02:02:15):
Can you see it now? Isthat better? I can? I can
see it. Yeah, it dependswhere you're sitting. But yeah, but
again, don't worry about the backgroundtoo much. I know, but it's
fun. I yeah, okay,Um, I have this for my iPad.

(02:02:36):
Yeah, that's good. I alwaysthink devices should be plugged into power
if you can when you're doing stufflike this with them. Oh I meant
I thought you wanted to do yourbuds. Oh yeah, you can do
it. Unless she's a splinter.She can't do it. She can only
do one or the other. Yeah. Oh

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