GOF, 7 Revisit: Big Broom Energy

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is episode four hundred and fifty three of a
Local Mora from May twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. Welcome

(00:38):
to another episode of a looka Mora, the fandom's original
Harry Potter book Club.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I'm Kat Miller, I'm Josh Cook, I'm Jeff Hutton.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
And I'm Alison Sigurd. It's an all host episode.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Wo pard, Yeah, we haven't had one of those in
such a long time.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
We just have one.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yeah, I think they were kidding.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh sorry, Allison.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Let me introduce you to my good friend's sarcasm. Okay,
you're very well acquainted.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Have the sarcastic tone there, so what never mind?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
My sarcastic tone doesn't sound like other people's. I have this.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I always doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
I have this. This It's a problem that I actually
have because when I'm being sarcastic, I don't do the
sarcastic tone and say we haven't had one in such
a long time, like I make it sound sincere. And
that is the closest to acting of which I am capable.
If I'm trying to act, I can't do it that.
I can make sarcasm sound sincere.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
I think that's just sarcastic relation sarcastic. So when you're sarcastic,
you sound sincere.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
There, yeah, and see Josh understands me. Yeah, it's why
I love him.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
And if it sounds like we're having a good time folks,
is because we chatted for a half an hour before
we started this podcast, and uh, it's a Friday night
and we are all in a mood. So you're in
for a fun one today.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
By the way, Happy Battle of Hogwarts Day, the day
we're recording.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, So I gotta tell you. So
many coworkers today were like, Katy, Happy Harry Potter Day.
And I was like, do you want to know the
history of Harry Potter Day? And I'm going to tell
everybody on this podcast in case all of you don't
know this. So we go, The Battle of Hogwarts happened
today May second, nineteen ninety eight. Right, So, however many

(02:25):
years ago, I don't remember how many years ago it was.
MuggleNet did an April fool's joke that said David Cameron,
who was the Prime Minister at the time, has declared
May second International Harry Potter Day. That was an April
Fool's Joke. Friends, Twenty some odd years later, the franchise
and the entire Internet celebrates International Harry Potter Day. Why

(02:45):
because of Mugglenuts April Fools Joke. That just saying so.
One of our favorite traditions on the site is to
find all of the articles that talk about how David
Cameron made that International Harry Potter Day, because it's like
a cute little go like, actually, we did that, not
David Cameron.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
But anyway, for all that I've heard about David Cameron,
I like to think that he may have actually heard
about it somehow and secretly thinks it's kind of funny, yeah,
that he gets credit for a holiday he didn't actually invent.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it also is It's It's geek week,
is what I call it. It is because you've got Battle
of Hogwarts Day, you've got May the fourth, and usually
there's a big Marvel thing that comes out this week,
so it's geek weeks. Huh Yeah, Thunderbolts comes out tonight.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
A couple of years there's a big really okay.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Yeah, a couple of years ago it was what either
Endgame or Infinity War came out this week too, maybe
both of them, but yeah, it's geek week.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
And also what's the so may the fourth and then
what's the fifth?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Revenge of the fifth?

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (03:52):
So anyway, but we're here to talk about Harry Potter.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
It is We're here to talk about Harry Potter. But
it's fine, and it's a party chapter two. Were having
a party and it's a party chapter because today's chapter
is Goblina Fire Chapter seven, Bagman and Crouch. Originally we
talked about this over four hundred episodes ago on episode
forty five Harry's Favorite Things from August twenty thirteen with

(04:17):
host Caleb, kat Laura and fanguest Dana. So go back
and revisit four hundred episodes ago, twelve years ago. I
think someone is putting me on these on purpose, because
I think because I'm like, how has it been this long? Anyway?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
How has it been this long? And that is the question,
And you know what, that's part of the reason, honestly
that we decided to uh wrap it up at five
hundred because friends, friends, friends, friends, fourteen years of podcasting
is a long time.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Like I said on our birthday a few weeks a month,
a few weeks ago, go what day is it? Yes,
this podcast has changed my life, enhanced my life, and
occasionally overtaken my life.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Amen has cleared my acne and watered my crops and
yet somehow also given me acne and occasionally an ulcer.
But hey, that's podcasting.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Ask anyone, I've only been here a year.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I'm still pretty Josh, I mean you have, you haven't.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Family were kind of the Yeah, you were kind of
the lifeblood of the forums for the longest time. Like
your comments always said the best stuff.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Thanks.

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Speaker 1 (06:17):
Everybody. All right, let's jump into it three times?

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Should do it?

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Chapter revisit?

Speaker 5 (06:32):
Got It?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Chapter seven, Bergmann and Crouch.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Today's the day the Weasley's Harry and Hermione land in
the field just outside the Quidditch World Cup stadium and
prep for the exciting event ahead. They put up the
tents expanded to fit everyone, of course, say hello to
a lot of people, see a lot of exciting for
wizards Archie of course, and eventually meet Magman and Crouch.
Oh and they're also introduced to a very nice chap

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named weatherby.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Old Weather easily one of my favorite wizard rock songs
I ever wrote Weatherby Well.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
We're gonna have to put a clip into the show now,
Cliff inserted.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
He wanted to prove he was no sloud, So we
went to work for a man named Crouch. That man
was smart, but he was a grouch who can't remember names.
Soon may the weather be come. He works all day
till his brain is numb. No time for friends or fun.
He's got to reach his goal.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah. So the thing about this chapter is it's like
a total transitional chapter. Absolutely nothing really happens. I mean,
some stuff happens. It's like important world building and foreshadowing.
But other than that, like nothing really happens. And still
it's thirty three minutes in the audiobook.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
But sometimes these chapters are some of the most fun
because these are the ones where I think that we
really kind of like we get to see the world
in a different way and we get to not just
see it, but we get to enjoy it, which is awesome.
It's so fun. And this this chapter has some absolutely
like excellent moments across the board. It's incredible, And a

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lot of that comes down to just this world building, right,
and a lot of it is expanding the world beyond
just the school right in the school viewpoint on.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
The amount of times Harry is like, oh, I never
thought about foreign wizards. I never thought about other schools,
Like could you be like a whiter white boy, like
he's also he mean, I mean sure, and how.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Many of us are fourteen? We're really like the world
to a certain extent, you know, I don't know, Boy.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Give the boy some credit.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I sorry that who woke for everybody?

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Boy?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
I do just say as an adult though I reading
this chapter, I was like the exhaustion of these ministry
officials that are running all this is. It's so hard,
it's so relatable when you're just.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Like, oh my gosh, yes.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, I mean it reminds me of years ago when
we did Muggle at Live in Orlando and Kat obviously
was there and we were going crazy with everything, and
I just remember that night passed for me in like
five minutes because I had constantly busy.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
I had a stomach ulcer at that time, and unbeknownst
to me, stomach ulcer and still probably made it worse
that night.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Yeah, that that was craziness. I remember being like I
literally had like one bite of ice cream all night.
There was free food everywhere.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well and like that, that's the same. That's the same deal. Though,
like they they've been preparing for this for however long,
like they knew this was coming. And it's still frantic
because because like the variable are the people that are there,
and you can't yeah, you cannot account for oh mumu
archie over here.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well that sounded like slander. Careful, careful, see.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
It's what I thought, interesting is I mean, every time
the Ministry is invoked, I feel like I criticize how
their organization or lack thereof makes no sense, and I
will continue to do that right now, these like it's
it seems like a volunteer kind of thing almost, because
I'm wondering these ministry but just there's these ministry officials

(10:42):
who are working the event. But are they being paid
over time for this? Is this just so? This is
just part of the deal.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
So they are specifically working because right at the beginning,
Hello there, Arthur said basil wearily, not on duty. A
it's all right for some.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
It's all right here all night, been here all night. Yeah,
so they're definitely no. I got that working, you know,
I got that. But what I mean is like, when
you go to work for the Ministry of Magic, is
it assumed that if your country is hosting the Quidditch
World Cup, that you will have to work some kind
of responsibility related to the event department. Yes, That's where

(11:22):
I'm going with this. Arthur Weasley is not on duty
for this event. He works in the Misuse of Muggle
Artifacts Office. He is by far the most interested in
muggles of anyone in the ministry. He has a reputation
for that. And yet the guy who is more fascinated
by Muggles than anyone else who works in the ministry

(11:44):
is not on duty when they have to frequently control muggles. Well,
you know what that guy on duty for this event?

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Well, I think it's the amount of muggles. Like, I
think that has more to do with like a department
that would be in charge of like statue to secrecy
stuff and muggles, because it's only four muggles that you're
trying to control, not.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
And Arthur specifically works with Muggle artifacts, right, He works
with objects, not Muggles themselves, right, because he has.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
No idea he works in the muggle world more than
his colleagues. I mean maybe it's a rotation for something.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Maybe it's a rotation or like you said, you voluntarily
you're being paid, but you voluntarily say.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Oh, I don't think Narthur works in the muggle world
very often. I think he more works with things that
are Muggle things in the wizarding world.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, like I said, he'd know more about toasters if
he was in the muggle.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
And rubber ducks. Speaking of trying to fit in with muggles,
I just want to go through the fantastic who more
at best wizards trying to be muggles addition, because there's
some hands down amazing descriptions in this chapter. We have
a guy wearing a tweed suit with thigh high galoshes, which,

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like you you're it's giving, it's giving Scotland fishing vibes.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
I mean thigh high galoshes are. For the record, goloshes
is a fancy word for boots. Friends, So like this
is this is stylin. I know we're laughing about it,
but yes, this is like the the the king wearing
his hunting outfit or like, oh my gosh, like that's

(13:37):
a guy, Lord Grantham, Lord, thank you, like shooting with
the family up in Scotland. Like this is this is
like good on point. This is on point, though.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
I think in the situation wearing thigh high galoshes, which
are usually more associated with fishing out on the moors,
it is probably expecting.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, but you know what, you know what this wizard
opened up a British history book and was like, oh, okay, yeah,
the tweet suit is pretty pretty, especially in the summer.
He's gonna be hot, yeah, gonna be no.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
I'm grateful to whoever put in a link here to
what plus fours.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
I did that they were either the fashion golf pants.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, and you know what, I'm looking at these and
I'm thinking, this actually looks like these could make a comeback.
This looks to me like a gender neutral piece of fashion.

Speaker 5 (14:36):
You could do this.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, they're kind of like these.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
They don't look that bad at all.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, I mean I lived through the two thousands in fashion,
and that is basically like a combination of of gauchos
and balloon pants together with joggers.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's like if joggers met gauchos.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
That's what the guy plus fours who comes up to
do the obliviation charm, he should come up doing the
hammer dance.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Don't remember this?

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Oh my gosh, that's so good. There's your next wizard
rock song.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
My friend got it. We've got the guy in the
poncho and kilt combo, which I find very funny.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I also could say that that feels so high fashion
to me. If you think about they're both oversized and
like I could see I'm like picturing it in my
head like Ralph Laurent. No, he's too structured, but like
Betsy Johnson or something, you go, you know, these feel
so high fashion to me again. I know we're supposed

(15:43):
to be laughing about them, but there is something so
real about these wizards. I need illustrations.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
But in the nineties, the nineties, though, these would definitely
stand out.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
I think it'll it means, I mean, maybe maybe they
were just ahead of their time. Maybe maybe maybe far
and away.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
Hey, the best one, so he gets excluded from the
competition just because he would smash all of it away
is Archie and his blessed nightgown obviously just yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Just iconiciconic, the iconic lawne of I like a healthy
breeze around my province.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I give yes, I love And that line is very
very it's not just like a laugh about you know.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Oh guys talk about his privates.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
And it's actually brilliant because this is the book that's
right in the middle, right, and this is where so
many things shift for Harry and the gang. They start
to really get into like forgive the forgive the wording,
but the thick of it when it comes to puberty
and a lot of other things are changing for them,

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and we think of it most of the time. I
think in terms of the more serious and dramatic things
This is when a lot of it starts to shift
and become more grown up and less childlike in Whimsical.
But the humor also kind of gets a lot more
adult from here as well, because I'm thinking a few
chapters from now of when they're in uh, it's not astrology,

(17:16):
what's it called divination? Divination? Yes, thank you? But she
says it's uranus idea, and Ron says, can I have
a look at uranus her lavender?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I do have to say, jo're.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Going to get more adult here too, and this is
this is really where we start to see that happening.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
I do have to say. It is funny though, to me,
that that it's Hermione who starts cracking up about this
and not Harry and Ron, because let's be real, it's
normally going to be the fourteen year old boys who
are going to be losing it over this kind of joke.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Like, especially in that group.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, but also we we you know, I have several
things to say about this. First up, in response to that,
we forget that Hermione is also young. We tend to
overmature her sometimes, I think, so I hear you that
the boys should absolutely be laughing. But I'm not too
surprised here because hermione is especially still. I think she

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matures obviously quicker, just naturally and also because of circumstances,
but she's still pretty immature here. My second comment is,
one of my cats likes to lay under the ceiling
fan like legs Akimbo, and I always think of this
line I walk by her. I call her Archie sometimes
because I'll be like, she gets it, she gets it.

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And my third comment is, and I don't want to suck.
They are out of this conversation, so I'm just gonna
like say the words and we're gonna have to talk
about it. But I'm channeling Noah and I thought a
lot about him last night because we've been we've been
getting a lot of messages from listeners who are discovering
the show and like hearing some of the things that
we talked about way back in the day before all

(18:55):
of the stuff has come up with the author. So
I'm gonna say and they were like, wow, Noah was
right about so many things. And I just want to
point out that, like here's like another example of like
boys can't wear girls clothes.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
That's all I want to say something about that too.
Go for it, because I know that I just said,
this is where the humor starts to get more adult,
and I was referring more most particularly to the line
I like a healthy breeze around my privates, because until
this point, we really haven't had any jokes about people's privates.
We don't get a ton of them. But stuff like

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that really didn't come up before now. It also got
me thinking about, like when this came out. I was
in elementary school when this came out, and if you
look back at a lot of the media that was
being produced back then, it was still considered very very
It was specifically men putting on dresses or makeup and
pretending to be women and fooling other people into believing

(19:55):
that they It was specifically men who had no femine
qualities whatsoever, pretending to be women and fooling people into
thinking that they were. That this was still a thing
that they did a lot in comedy back then.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
But its thing.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, Like I mean, and in that case, you have
a man who you have Robin Williams playing Robin Williams
played a lot of characters, and in this case he
was doing it from a place of this is the
only way I can think of to spend time with
my children. So you add an element of heart to that,
and it really doesn't feel like transphobia anymore. But then

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you have examples like Martin Lawrence in Big Mama's House
that really did not feel like it had the same
kind of sentimentality to it. But that wasn't the only
time this happened. A lot. They even had I don't
remember the name of it, but there was a sitcom
not long or it was probably around the same time
this book would have come out, where the whole premise
of the sitcom was a man who had to put

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on this dress and fool people into thinking he was
a woman. And all I remember about it is that
it lasted like two episodes. It was deemed very offensive,
and then it was pulled and we don't talk about it.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
It was it was a really common trope I think
in the nineties and early two thousands in comedy to
have this. I think so, I think it definitely is.
That's the thing I think a lot of people too
sometimes forget when we're looking at these is that is
how rapidly things have changed in the past twenty thirty
years in these regards and how viewpoints have changed, and
they changed very rapidly, and so I think sometimes a

(21:35):
lot of people forget that, like, yeah, people weren't necessarily
picking up on this then because it was common, right,
it was a very common, not perspective, very common. I
can't think of.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
The word, but you know, trupe, I mean, trope is
the word, yeah, because it's a thing that happened.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
And it's not just that it's, you know, transphobic. It's
also the fact that it it it perpetuates this idea
that if a man is pretending to be a woman,
people will just think that that woman is a very
ugly and unfeminine woman, and women who aren't feminine aren't
womanly enough, and that makes it easy to laugh at them,

(22:16):
and that's not true.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
Well, you know it's funny too because if you look
back at some of those examples like Missus Doubtfire for example,
that movie is so beloved and I feel like, in
a sense like that this isn't the right word, but
I'm gonna use it. Forgive me if it's like offensive,
but that like cross dressing sense of that was not

(22:40):
even seen as like bad or Trophy in some instances,
not all of them, but like again because Missus Doubtfire
is so beloved nobody then I remember maybe it happened
was protesting that movie on either side saying that this
is offensive or whatever. You know, Yeah, you know, I would.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
It would be a really interesting like conversation to just
deep dive on that movie. But I think we should
move move on.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
To Oh you mean you think we should talk about
Harry Potter this podcast.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
It would probably be ideal if we did do that.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Cool okayl coo, cool cool cool.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
So they arrive. Sorry, I'm trying to like figure out
we're going to come back into this.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
That's okay.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
They arrive. They arrive at the location of the Quiddit
troll Cup and it keeps talking about moores, right, and
so my my assumption would be it's up near Yorkshire area.
With the description of the moors, I will say the
Harry Potter lexicon says it's in Dartmoor, which is down
more in the like southeast, But I don't think that's going.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
To be I think it would be too populated, Like.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
There is a there is a national like wild National Park,
but I I just feel like the description of the
Moors this way, especially because they're misty moors, is supposed
to be more connotative to the Moors up in Yorkshire,
because we're talking about the Bronts, right, and that is

(24:13):
the probably the most famous connection to English Moors would
be the Bronts who lived who lived in the Yorkshire area,
and it is very misty, it's very desolate up there.
A lot of times it can be very.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
The lexicon U says that they say where it is
in chapter six. I'm gonna look that up, but I.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
Don't think they do. Yeah. I looked, and I couldn't
find where they were coming up with that. So maybe
I missed something because I would assume it's and it
feels right to have things that happen here happen in
the Yorkshire Moors, especially with everything with the dark mark
that's gonna happen later, because if you know anything about

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the Bronts.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Oh, really not a thing.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
So the Brontes three sentences, Allison three sentences.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Brontes are our three sisters, and then their brother is
also very famous.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
One like the Kardashians, that was not a.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Full sentence that sounded like a period, not a pot. No,
that was a pause, Okay.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
The sisters are known for their very famous literature. Jane
Eyre the tenant of Windfeld Hall, Wuthering Heights. Sorry I
hate wathering Heights because they're all terrible people in that book.
And so they're they're known for their very kind of
eerie and kind of in some ways very messed up,
but very famous literature. And they grew up in Yorkshire

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in the town called Holworth. Their father was a pastor,
so they lived in the in the village parsonage. Literally
you walk outside their house and you're in the like
graveyard anyway, so and and the Yorkshire Moors you're kind
of right outside their house. And so they used to
go walking there a lot. And so there's a lot
of descriptions of these moors in their books. And it

(26:09):
is very desolate, very eerie, very easy to get lost
in these moors, especially if we're talking about Wuthering Heights.
That's a very big deal here. So I've was kind
of thinking this feels like it would be a bit
of an homage to that, and also that'd be the
kind of place where you could very easily hide something
like this, I think, did you find is it Dartmore?

Speaker 5 (26:32):
No?

Speaker 1 (26:32):
I didn't find it, basically the lexicon. So Steve vander
Ark wrote a whole book. He went to the UK
and did a bunch of research about where he thought
all of these places would be, and basically there is
no reference to Dartmore. There's no reference to Devin. I looked.
That is all his assumption based on where he believes

(26:55):
Ottery Saint Catchpole is in relation to the borough and
Stoat's Head Hill and all of those things.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Okay, So yeah, because it was like the only thing
that Arthur says in chapter six is that they had
to fond a note deserted more and set up as
maybe antimogal precautions as possible.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I assumed they meant Scotland because I know they got
mores in Scotland and that's where Hochwartz is, So I
assume that's where they were going.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yorkshire's gonna be up that way to Yorkshire gits up there,
very like relatively close to the Scottish quarter. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
The thing that got me is that. So they get there,
they check in and then the guy's like, oh, your
campsite's up there about a quarter mile. It took them
twenty minutes to walk a quarter of a mile. I
know that that's so silly, but you could walk well
over a mile in twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
Yeah, I don't know. Average walking speed is like what
like essentially, I think it's one mile and twenty minutes,
so I mean unless they were just stopping and seeing
other campsites or like running into people that they knew,
things like that. But yeah, like normal speed, it's about
three miles an hour, which is more.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
It was like a ten degree in.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Huge group of people.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Well no, but but it's also very misty. It says
it's still dark, right, it's still dark when they get there,
and it's misty, so maybe they were moving a little
slower to and they're also still is it dark?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Isn't the sun up?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
It says that they're unable to make out much through
the mist.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, and the sun comes up a little bit. It
distinctly says when the sun comes up.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, I remember.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
They ad into a Stephen King book.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Listen, sometimes it feels like it up there in Yorkshire.
So they meet mister Roberts, who is the Muggle campsite
director and who is very suspicious. And I was reading
this and I was like, Okay, yes, it's unusual how
many of them are here at this point, but don't
most wizards live at least somewhat around Muggles, So shouldn't

(28:57):
they kind of know better? Because I mean, I know
there are a few like wizard villages, but.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
So most of them seem to live the buggle now
because Muggle studies isn't compulsory at Hogwarts and they only
have one school.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Well, so there there's that there. Obviously there's a lot
of ignorance on the on the wizard's part here too,
but like there's also some superiority coming in as well
of like I'm gonna act like a wizard because I'm
here for them. I mean, they're there for the World Cup.
Like I think the Ministry did it wrong by allowing
those Muggles to still stay there, Like they could have

(29:34):
rented out the whole area, done it themselves and been like, hey,
you can't be here during you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah, a lot a lot. When I was reading comments
for the throwback comment, a lot of people were saying
that why didn't they just put up muggle repellent charms
and then pay it off or you know, rent the
whole area. Yeah. Absolutely, that was pretty silly toy them.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, I feel like there could have been something done
that would have made it a little bit more secure
in that regard.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, for sure. Especially mister Roberts said I had to
try and pay me with great gold coins the size
of hubcaps ten minutes ago, and it just made me
laugh this time because I was just thinking about having
to carry those around. Maybe he's probably exaggerating.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
But they probably have charms on them to make them
lighter to carry. Oh smart, they're the size of hubcaps.
That doesn't necessarily mean they're incredibly dense or heavy. Yeah, Amazon,
I'm here to tell you that size is no guarantee
of weight or anything else.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
That's what she said. I couldn't I couldn't help you.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
See, like I said, this gave me very Ron Swanson
in London vibes of trying to pay.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
That dollar bill.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
And that is the most wonderful piece of paper in
the world. Take it.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
I'm sorry, sir, we don't take American curtaincy.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Fine. Enjoy the fact that your overlords are a frail
old woman and a tiny baby.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Just watch that episode. It's so good.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
We have that.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Look, we don't have that in America. He's at the
Tower of London. He's like, you call out a tower,
Try the Sears Tower, my friend. Okay. See. This trouble
with money, though, is one of the most puzzling things
to me, because I get it the currency is different
in different places, and honestly, even within one place, like
the like when Hagrid describes to Harry the exchange rate

(31:29):
of cannuts to sickles and sickles to I'd have no
idea how wizards pay for around no idea. I don't
know how they price things. I really don't. But at
least one thing they seem to agree on is the
use of cardinal numbers. So I don't get this confusion
over money. And what's more is I get that not

(31:51):
everybody is completely versed in muggle culture. People think it's
okay to walk around in a kilt in the poncho. Fine,
but if you know, oh, you're gonna have a large
number of people who have bought a ticket to go
to a thing in a place where they have to
pass for something they're not Why would you not distribute
literature to people explaining to them, here are things you

(32:14):
need to know. This is a Buggle. This is how
they are dressed. Notions I know, but I'm just saying
you could. If they're gonna send useless pamphlets on security
measures when the death Eaters strike, they need to send
pamphlets saying this is a Muggle. This is how they dress.
Examples of acceptable Muggle clothing items are the following. If

(32:36):
you have to use Muggle money, this is an example
of a British pound or a euro, depending on when
you're reading this. This is the exchange rate be prepared
to carry. At least, it's not that complicated. You really
only need one small like council of people who are
standardizing this pamphlet and then send it to everybody who

(32:56):
bought a ticket to the Quiddit's World Cup. It's not
that complicated.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Well, and the thing is too, Yes, sure wizards only
use coins. They just have gallons, sickles and canuts or
canutes however you say it. And the Brits also have paper.
But the thing is they I mean, they don't use
like it's been a hot minute since I've seen a

(33:21):
British pound, but like they they don't have that many
that are smaller than one pound, right, Like they don't
use the halfpenny anymore to the half pounds.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Well most, I mean you've got like two pound coins,
you've got pound coins, you've got fifty p twenty five,
ten and five right right.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
So my point, my point here is that how much
does he ask for? Does mister Roberts give a number?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I want to say it's like fourteen pounds maybe?

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Okay, great, there's.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
No he just I think he just says you'll be
just the one night you'll be paying now, then he
doesn't quote on the press.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Okay, great. What I'm going to assume is that it
is not fourteen pounds and twenty five cents. The numbers
are on the pieces of paper. It's true, they're on
the pieces of paper, Arthur, Like, yeah, a one galion
is the same as one pound. They don't have the
same monetary value, but they both have the number one
on it, and they are around gold coins, like like,

(34:21):
this should not be difficult.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
No, And why didn't he ask Harry this before they
like the night before he's checking their tickets, when they're
sitting at the dinner table. Why didn't he say, okay, Harry,
this is muggle money. Please explain this to me so
I'll know when we get there.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Also, this isn't how much we have to pay. Put
it in an envelope for me so I can walk
up and hand it to the muggle. Like it's the
same account.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
When they're trying to get the tickets on the train
to go to the to the Ministry for the hearing,
it's the same thing all over again.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
But that's also something that I don't understand why it's
not taken care of by the ministry anyway. Like in
chapter six it talks about how people will cheap tickets
had to get there like two weeks earlier, so like
they have their accommodations figured out with the tickets that
they have, So like when you bought your ticket, why
weren't why wasn't your accommodations factored into that price? And

(35:13):
then then the Ministry just takes care of it with
mister Roberts. I also did want to finish, like fix
something that I said earlier. I said, like it was
only four muggles that they're dealing with, so you have
mister Roberts family. But whenever the Ministry person tells Diggery
to go to his campsite. He says, to ask for
mister Payne. So there are more than just those four muggles. Yeah,

(35:34):
don't come and get me in the comments and things.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Well, let's circle back to mister Roberts. There was clearly
a large discussion on the original episode about ethics and
memory charms and mister Roberts, and I'm sure we'll touch
on it, but this throwback comment is actually from the
podcast question of the Week, which I'll read to you.
I thought it was really interesting and yeah, so I'm

(36:01):
just going to read him. The podcast question of the
week for that episode was we learned that mister Roberts,
the muggle at the Quidish World Cup campground, needs a
memory charm quote ten times a day to be happy.
What effects do we think the repeated obliviation has on him?
Is it more or less severe because he has a muggle?
And why does his memory seem to be creeping back
in and commenter Cassandra Voblatsky says, I think that mister

(36:26):
Roberts had quite a raw deal even before his ordeal
at the hands of the Death Theaters. He's obviously a
curious person who refuses to stop asking questions. I assume
the use of memory charms is strictly regulated, especially given
this is the Ministry of Magic performing them on a
Muggle for relatively trivial reasons connected to a sporting event.
So presumably the charm must fall within accepted health and

(36:47):
safety guidelines. I imagine that Arthur Weasley's Muggle Protection Act
covers this sort of thing. However, in chapter ten, after
the death theater attack, mister Robert appears to be more disoriented,
and mister Weasley explains it quote was a big thing
they had to make him forget, although he does reassure
the children that Roberts quote will be all right. We

(37:08):
later find out in Goblet of Fire chapter thirty five
that Bertha Jorkins had her memory permanently damaged by a
very powerful memory charm applied by Crouch Senior in Guilderey
Lockhart it seems destined to spend the rest of his
days in Saint Mungo's, So a powerful or incorrectly applied
memory charm can be very dangerous.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, I think there's a difference in how much you're
being asked to forget, and that helps. That helps determine
how powerful it is, right because right after mister Roberts
is obliviated, he still hands Arthur a map of the
campsite and his change, so he still remembers enough of

(37:49):
what he's doing, but it seems like he's just forgotten
the strange things he's seen that he started picking up on.
So I feel like at this point early on, it's
just these odd little inconsistencies that he's noticing that he's
maybe trying to string together but not quite figuring out.
So the memory charm kind of almost like breaks that,

(38:12):
like makes him forget some of the weird things, or
makes him forget that they're connected.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Whereas in a more powerful case, like what happens after
the death eaters A that's gonna involve some trauma, So
that's gonna be a lot that's gonna have to be
forgotten and forgotten deep down, right like that that's gonna
I feel like the way the yeah, yeah, like the
way that memory will have been saved. It's like how

(38:39):
you you remember things that have a bigger emotional impact
on you, right, Whereas you might forget some random little
details throughout just a normal day. Right, I'll remember what
I did half the time five minutes ago. So, like
you know, inconsequential things are quite easy to forget, whereas
these more powerful things are gonna take more powerful memory charm,

(39:01):
and that can cause more damage because it's going deeper
into your brain. Obviously, something as powerful as what has
to happen to birth not has to but what does
happened to birth? The Jorkins or how Lockhart's is it's
incorrect and it's a broken wand that he's using, So
things are wrong. That's going to cause more brain damage.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, Lockhart was also exceptionally good and powerful at memory charms,
so you know, for all all we discount him, he
was gifted in that sense.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Well, so the thing with Lockhart too, is like the
memory charms that he's trying to do it, you're trying
to make someone like in these villages that they are
famous in their village for doing this thing of you
banishing the banshee or whatever, goling the.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Goal wandering with where Well yeah, that.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
So so you're trying to make them forget like this
very key part of their life that happened, so that
they can't go out and tell their story anymore. So
like there's that like that's why his memory is gone.
But like with with something like mister Roberts here, just
like you said, Alison, this has more to do with like, aw,
somebody messed up their money. They're just forgetting like, oh,

(40:22):
he didn't know what to do with money, but he's
still paid and like, so you're not trying to make
this big thing happen like.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
That guy has a weird outfit, right, that's you know.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
But that begs the question why are those things serious
enough to raise his memory?

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I think it's more the fact that he's putting them
together right, like he's seeing things he is because he's
like there's a lot of foreigners, right, they have trouble
with money, they don't seem to know how to dress.
There's something going on here. It's like they all know
each other.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
And so he's not start saying that they're wizards.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
No, but he's getting suspicious enough.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
But is he only not saying that they're wizards because
by the time he puts this two and two together,
it's obliviated. Then he has to put two and two
together again, Like maybe you only get me like when
you get to sixteen, when you put two and two,
and then four and four and then eight and eight,
like that's whenever. Oh, those are wizards, and so they're
they're cutting off, they're cutting it off before he gets

(41:19):
that far. I actually am really proud of mister Roberts
keeping coming back to put them together, to be like
that's weird, and then they're like, all right, let's get
rid of this dude.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Well, he's clear he's clearly very smart. And I would
tend to agree that I think frequency is important. I
think if you are getting quote ten memory charms a day,
that's probably gonna do something to you, maybe not as

(41:52):
deeply as later, because as you were saying, the trauma
goes a lot deeper than just remembering somebody wearing a
moo moo or wearing a poncho and a kilt. But
there's still there's still has to be there has to
be something there. There was another incredible comment that I
really wanted to read where they talked a lot. It

(42:16):
felt like this person was like way too smart to
be commenting on a Harry Potter forum, but they talked
a lot about the brain and the like the synapses
of the brain.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
That commented on the Harry Potter forum for years. Now
I take offense to that.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, well, sorry, but I had talking about.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Quantum physics on your forums, ma'am.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
I suppose that. But they but they talked all about
how how easy it is to permanently damage and bruise
and scar the brain, and so this has to be
doing something to him regardless of you know, it's like
if you scratch your arm ten times a day surface level,

(43:01):
that is still gonna hurt. Sure, if you cut into it,
obviously it's gonna hurt more, but that that is eventually
both of them are going to leave you a different
kind of scar.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
Yeah, I think this is wizard superiority of just well,
we can and we will, and we're not going to
do a long term study to figure out if we're
actually harming these people, because the most important thing that
they say is the statue of secrecy. So I think that,
like if we go back to Dumbledore and Grindelwald, like
the Greater Good, I think the Ministry's version of Greater

(43:33):
Good is a statue to secrecy, no matter what, we
have to keep it.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yeah, well I think too. I mean that we were
talking about having them rent out the whole space. This
of course wouldn't be ethical. But they could just put
an imperious charm on him and be like, go sleep
it off, bro yep, and have a wizard to do
the job.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
And wouldn't this be an interesting story for them to
do that, because this is where we find out about
the unforgivable curses and fake Moody performs these curses on
the students for educational reasons.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, I mean, I just I that definitely didn't get
approved though, But again, even if it wasn't the imperious curse,
there are one hundred different things they could have if
they're gonna modify or race this guy's memory, which are
two different things. They could have just put a false
memory in his head. Oops, I have I'm going maybe

(44:35):
he someone else brought living death. Yeah, someone else brought
this up in the throwback comments like why couldn't they
have just faked that these people won the best of
the British lawn competition, Like like and send them away
to MAYORCA for a weekend.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
You know in another world, like we know that.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
The dict send them away to New YORKA for a weekend.
It's the ministry. You're telling me that they don't have
the budget for them.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
That's what That's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Yeah, there's a I mean there's a there's a Like
you said, there's a million other ways. You could give
everyone the draft of living death and they would just
literally sleep it off for weeks at a time and like, yeah,
that's it. Of course you could petrify them.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I don't huh like, I mean, yeah, answer.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
They wouldn't age. You wouldn't have to like worry about
like food and stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
I mean the answer is plot and we need muggles
there so the death eaters can do their thing. Blah
blah blah.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Yeah, but like but we can move on. Yeah, no
I don't want to U.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
No, yes, you have to now, okay.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
So yeah, speaking though of the statute of secrecy.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, what you got
to say.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Oh, I was just going, I was just going, like
to your point, like you said, and then just have
a wizard do the job. Basil was doing the job
and then sending you to a muggle to do the
job again, like bazl was telling Weasley where their campson is,
which is exactly what Roberts is doing. It doesn't make
any sense.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
No, you're right, speaking of the statue of secrecy, though
it's being completely ignored to some degree as they go
around and they're starting to see very obviously magical tents,
and Arthur just kind of says, well, you know, we
can't resist showing off when we get together, which it's like,
oh my gosh, okay, I mean yes, but also like okay,

(46:30):
but I did have to laugh though, because right after
saying this, Arthur also says, well, you know, no magic
allowed strictly speaking when we're on muggle Land, And it's
just so endearingly Arthur, like he just wanted he just
wanted an excuse to be able to play with matches
and whatnot, right, Like this is why he says this.

(46:51):
He doesn't really care. I don't think any of them
really care necessarily, no, but it's just.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Like when he sets up the tent, he's like, we
can't use magic to set up the tent because we
have to do it by hand.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Yeah, that moment with the matches, So the quote is
the splintered matches littered the ground around him and he
looked as though he was having the time of his life.
Is the cutest. It is like peak ultimate Dad I
love it. I love Arthur. This is so cute, like
wrap me up at times.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
Pert.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
He took the time off of work to come to this,
not for the quidditch itself. Quidditch is just bonus. He
was here to muggle camp.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, he wants to live off the land and prove
that he's a rugged mountain man and teaches kids that
you can't always just keep your noses in your phones
because you gotta go camping once in a while.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
You can't make me.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
We actually we had some of the best times I
ever had growing up with my dad where when we
were camping, that's when he taught us how to play Yuker.
And that's also when he taught us that in order
for us to become legal adult citizens in the state
of Indiana, we have to play uker. We have to
know how to do that. He was kidding, but we
took him. What car, It's a card game, and that's

(48:14):
all I'm going to say for now, Otherwise I'm going
to go down the rabbit hole of explaining youker. Trust me,
it's it's more fun than it sounds, and it's very simple.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
But do you spell it?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
E U C H R E not what you were expecting, right.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
We can have an entire podcast episode on the Brontees
and the Uker here.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
It's a trick taking card game, typically played by four
players and two partnerships. The goal is to win at
least three tricks, with the first team to reach a
predetermined number of points.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
In a nutshell.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah, A key feature is the concept of trump, a
specific suit that becomes the highest suit.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Okay, see welcome to one reason why I wasn't going
to get that deep into it, just sharing a happy
memory from childhead, may I go on?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Anyway, So what's fun for me about the fact that
we're discussing this chapter now is that this episode releases
on I think the twenty fourth ye and a week
before that is the final of the Eurovision Songwriting Contest,
which is something my friends and I get really into
watching every year. And there are a lot of similarities

(49:23):
I feel like between this and that, because it's a
bunch of different countries who are all getting together and
it's supposed to have this spirit of unity to it,
because the difference, obviously is that you have people coming
in from all over the world and only two countries
are technically competing for the victory here. But before this

(49:46):
final match, you had all of these other countries competing,
So it is similar in that regard because there's two
countries competing, not thirty seven, but still even with the
countries that aren't actually have their national teams competing here
at this Quidditch World Cup. When Arthur says we can't
resist showing off when we get together, it feels to

(50:09):
be like he's definitely talking about the fact that there's
so many different nationalities of magical people in one place.
They all have to kind of do a little something
to show you what's unique and what's special about the
way they do things like the purple fire that's roasting
the rabbit, or the sign that says the Salem Witches Institute.

(50:32):
And it just kind of makes me wonder, if we
spend a little bit more time in this scene taking
a close look at all these different people from all
these different countries, if we might see more signs of
magic that are unique to the different parts of the
world that people are coming from when they come to
this event.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
So I will say this is just the final Like
we're told throughout the start of this book, that they
have tickets to the World Cup World Cup finals. So
the reason that all those people are there are because
the other nationalities, the other countries have competed and lost,
but they're still there, like like in the UH in
the Soccer World Cup, it's all the different you know,

(51:14):
countries have their team, their national teams there, they win,
they lose, they do whatever, and then you have the
final that we're just seeing the final that I think
that's why a lot of this has been happening for
weeks and weeks and weeks at a time, because and
and why people are still there from the other nationalities.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Do you think that they said that people with cheaper
tickets have to arrive earlier. I would think if you're
going to more matches between more countries and you're there longer,
that you would actually have to spend more money, not less.
So I didn't get that impression because this isn't This
isn't that all of the tournament matches have been happening
in this one stadium. This is the location for the final.

(51:52):
The other matches have already been happening elsewhere. Is the
impression guy got because when they were having when they
were having dinner at the Weasley House. The night before
they went here, they were talking about how Scotland was
slaughtered by Luxembourg and all these other matchups that happened,
And I thought, this tournament can't happen over a cup.

(52:13):
Surely a tournament of this scale, with this many countries
all over the world competing, has to last several months.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
It's also it's just strange because at the end of
Prisoner of Azkaban it says that like England or whoever,
maybe it says the UK is hosting the World Cup
this year.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Yeah, the first time in thirty years. Yeah, it's just
but it's like the Olympics. Yeah, it's the closest they
have to the Olympics.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Also, quidditch games can go for much longer than this
game that we see. Yeah, so they couldn't have happened
in I mean, I'm sure professional games don't typically go
that long.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, Well they're taking bets on whether it'll be a
week long match, right, you know, like you're yeah, I
kind of under it is it's kind of like the Olympics,
or it's it's kind of like, well.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
It can't be like the Olympics, because the Olympics everything
happens like.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
The Olympics, but kind of kind of like I'm trying
to think of what an equivalent might be, but.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Almost more like I think it's just a regular season
of games American or whatever.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yeah, I was gonna say, it's it's like baseball almost
right where it's like but you already know where the
final is going to take place because those locations are
decided like years in advance, even before you know who's
gonna play.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
So I think that's how they should do the Quiddit's
World Final. It is actually just this is the one
thing about your vision that I'm gonna say about how
they structure the competition, and then I'm not going to
say everything that I have to say about that. But
one thing I think is cool is that if your
country wins Eurovision the next year, your country gets the

(53:58):
honor of hosting next years competition.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
And then but the logistics they have to do for this.
You have to find a big enough space, you have
to do all these like muggle repelling things. It has
to be deserted, you have to set up, you have
to build the stadium right, you have to make sure
that there are you know, there's so much logistical planning
you have to do, but it is.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
But I think the governments of all these countries. I
think the governments of all these countries would probably keep
like an up to date list of potential locations for
if they get to host the next tournament. This is
places we should be looking into, like they have to
keep an eye on that kind of thing, because hosting
a quidditch tournament is one thing I would think they
would actually take seriously. Not education, not law enforcement, not

(54:45):
the lack of a viable military, but getting to host
a sports tournament for the one sport that they have. Yeah,
sure they're on top of that.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I mean, in that instance, I agree with Alison that
it's like the Olympics. And also there have been places
that have host to the Olympics more than once because
they already have the infrastructure.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Yeah, and even then they build new stuff too, Tipper.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah, and you know what I think is funny. We
talked about this at the top of the episode. I
think before we started recording, Jeff and Allison were like, Oh,
we're not gonna have anything to like clash on this week,
and here we.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Are clashing and I disagree. This is not what it
sounds like usually Ron has to be in the chapter
more than he's in this one for us to disagree.
Just giving you crapron is just kind of here in
this chapter he's he doesn't get to do anything.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
And does say in chapter five that the that the
match took five days last time.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah, so she does say that.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah. So they set up their their fun little tents
and I had to laugh a little bit. And I
don't know is this a common head cannons slash thought
people have, because Harry says that the tents remind him
of missus Figg's house, including the smell of cats. And
so it's like, do missus fig and Perkins know each other?

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I'm here for it.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Yeah, are they perhaps related?

Speaker 2 (56:18):
I was thinking more like did they at one time
share cats together? Among other things?

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Well, but missus fig that she's married and she is
a squib, and so she does have and if he's
working in muggle artifacts.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Wait, I know her name is missus fig Are we
certain she was married?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Well, the well, people don't usually go because they weren't married. Yeah,
and people don't typically keep missus after a divorce. No,
unless you're Joe.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
Bennett, say they do, but.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
I think that's really interesting. It fits very well in
with my that Missus Norris was once a female human
wizard and now just her and Filch are forever together
in the Missus Norris's afterlife. See missus was Missus Norris

(57:16):
the can't ever married. I'm just saying, you don't have to.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
You don't know that she You don't know her, mad.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I mean, I suppose there is a precedent, like if
we're talking down to Abbey again, Missus pat.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Moore was never married exactly, Missus Patmore.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Missus pat Moore was never married.

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Missus Pattmore was never married.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
She never married. What you're talking about? She was not
during the series, but she was.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
She was married. No, she was not. That is a
significant plot point.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
What are we talking about. I don't I was playing
sports while you all were watching the show.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
See, according to Google, Josh is trying to be cool.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Words.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
This is that to be fair, this is the AI summation,
which I don't like, but I'm gonna read it here
because it's easy. Missus is a title of courtesy for
housekeepers and cooks, regardless of marital status. So again, here
we are in an instance where like the history books
were opened. Yeah, I personally think missus Fig was never married. Personally,

(58:23):
she doesn't give me those vibes. I feel like some
synergy with missus Fig, like the cats and the like
crotchety older lady. That is gonna be me. I would
say what I'm gonna say, like thirty years from now,
but maybe it's more like ten, Josh, you're not off,
you're not off points.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
We don't have so many cats that you break your
leg on one. Yeah, yeah, I would have very old
cake in your fridge.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
I wouldn't. That is really bad for the cats. That
is really bad for the cats. But I think it's
really cute that missus Fag and Perkins maybe know each other.
I could see that. I can see that. The thing
that I thought of this time, sadly, is that we
could really use these tents in the muggle world right now.
They'd be a really nice answer to the house increases.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Yeah, flats, some of us like that.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah, not me, I mean not cat pee, which is
what I assume my smell is.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
See, I didn't think that that. There's just something about it.
It's like when you go into a house that's full
of dogs, like you can see. This is what I'm
trying to explain. It's not just the smell of pee
when you doubt a large exactly, when you have a
large number of a certain type of animal that all

(59:44):
live in an enclosed space, it's not necessarily the waste
that comes out of them that you're smelling. They have
a smell to them that becomes more concentrated when you
have more of them. How do I know that? Because
we went from being a single cat household to being
a four cat household. Don't ask how that happened. I
don't know. But the point is your house smells different,

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and it doesn't always smell like pee.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Well and the top like I have two dogs, to cats,
two kids, whatever, like everybody everybody equally, Everyone smells differently,
Like my dog, like my German Shepherd smells smells different
than my hound dog. Like it's whatever I would know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Can you say hound dog again?

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Hound dog?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Thank you?

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
She's a blue tick if I enjoyed that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
And also this never really jumped out of me. But
it doesn't seem super fair. There are two tents, and
it says the boys tent and the girls tent. So
eight boys, Arthur, Bill, Charlie, Percy, Friend George are basically
all adult human males. Six of them plus Harry and

(01:00:54):
Ron are in one tent, and two teenage, fourteen and
twelve year old girl or whatever in the other one.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Listen, I don't see the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
I mean it is smaller, I know, but like a
lot of people, like friend George could have stayed with
Hermione and Jenny, or like Bill and Charlie, Like you want.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
Fred, George and Jenny to be sitting in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
A town is It just seems like so silly to
squeeze eight boys into one tent and just to separate
it by the sexes, Like that's.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Just I think they specifically only did it because it
was Hermione. If if Hermione wasn't there, that it would
have been more of an even split if it were Jimmy.
But I think that they were trying to like respect
Hermione's Yeah, prudeness, I don't, I mean, she's not she's
not in the family. Yeah, Marcy Cook the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
No, she didn't trust me either, so like that helped.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I don't know, in her defense, Josh, you're a hound.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Olg Okay, you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
You're not, You're not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
I just had to do. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Have I ever told that? I'm sure that I have,
but you just reminded me of it, because that gave
me the Elvis reference when we when we first read
The Man with Two Faces. That's the last chapter of Sorcerers, right, yes,
uh huh yeah. When we first read that, I wanted

(01:02:34):
to name the episode hunk of Honka burn and Love.
And nobody would let me name it hunka Honka burn
and Love. They were like, people aren't going to get it.
I said, it's hilarious and it's Elvis. We have to
do it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
How would they come on? Even people who don't know
Elvis Presley all that well know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
That one and I I was outvoted and I'm still
bitter about it thirteen years later.

Speaker 4 (01:02:58):
Can we name this one hunkah?

Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
There you go, There you go, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
We are not going to use that, but I just
needed to tell that story. You know. I wish I
had thought of it and that chapter. When we did
that chapter the second time around, I wish I had
thought of it, but the moment was gone. It's gone
much like this one because now they start exploring and walking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Let's go wander through this campsite with all its all
to various attractions basically, so the first one is they
come across little Kevin and the slug you bus slug,
you bus slug. It's still funny to me. But my
question though, again, this is one of those things that
it's like you catch this when you're an adult that

(01:03:53):
you don't catch necessarily when you're a kid. But I
was like, why aren't these parents being more careful with
their wants?

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
This is like the equivalent of making sure that your
kid can't access the kitchen knives freely, Like, what are
you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Remember, I mean Boltemore even commented on the casual nature
in which James Potter threw his wand on the couch.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
Yeah, so just come on, people, that's crazy. Your two
year old is not gonna listen when you just say now,
don't touch this. In fact, they're gonna touch it anymore,
because that's what two year olds do. They come across
a group of African wizards who are roasting a rabbit

(01:04:33):
over a purple fire, which I find fascinating, and I
think again kind of speaks to that different parts of
the world are gonna have different types of magic. So
the fact that like their fire that they create is purple,
right like, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I wonder if the color of royalty, which I think
is very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
I wonder if if a purple fire is a specific
type of fire, right like, does it stay the right
degrees to cook this rare it perfectly or something?

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Well when we see the The one other time that
I can definitely recall off hand us having a purple
fire is during Snape's Potion riddle in the first book.
The purple fire is one of the flames that they
have to get through to either get back up to
the school or to get through to the mirror. Rivera said,

(01:05:24):
that's the only other purple fire I can think of.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
I'm just going to imagine that it's regional magic and
that African wizards are cooler and better at magic than
other wizards, because that's probably true.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
Yeah, we see the middle aged American witches from the
Salem Witches Institute, which is fine. Do you guys remember
when it was a thing where people thought Salem which
is institute? Somehow they missed the middle aged part and
so they were like, that's the American school. And then
when we found out about Ilver Moarny, a bunch of
people were like, that's not right, this is a retcon.

(01:05:55):
Everyone was like, did you read the books?

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
I do recall that, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Good times we come across the Irish and their national pride,
which I was laughing at Missus Finnigan being like, the
Ministry is not happy with the Shamrocks, but I'm like,
this is probably one of the least concerning like magical extravagances.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
You could, yeah, Shamrock and also I'm sorry, but yeah,
I know you got Northern Ireland and Ireland proper and
all that, but like, is Ireland not under the jurisdiction
of the British Ministry of Magic.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Ireland like the Republic of Ireland.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Probably no, because like there's definitely Irish kiddos going to Hogwarts.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
But Hogwarts is a regional school, it's not a British school.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Well I'm sorry what.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Hogwarts is not a British school.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
It's a regional school. It's not for UK citizens.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
That's why Draco talks about like he could have gone
to well, he could have.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Gone to derm String, But how often do non UK
kids go to never Mind, I've got.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
You've got two pretty close to each other with Bobaton
in France and Hogwarts in England.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Listen, all private boarding schools from experience are regional schools,
like people from or or like in the one that
I work at a global school, the Prince of Jordan
goes to my boarding school, and like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Should you legally be telling people that it's fine?

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
It's on the internet, like it not just UK people
go to Hogwarts? Is my point that we know of, Well,
there is also a cross in in the UK, right
because you've got Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland or all
separate country. Then you have like the circle of this

(01:08:04):
is the UK, this is this is Britain, which is
just Scotland, Wales, England, The UK is Scotland, Wales, brick England,
Northern Ireland, the British Isles are that plus the Republic
of Ireland.

Speaker 3 (01:08:17):
You know, it's it's on the thing. They just cross
over a lot, but it is. It really is like
the most inoffensive national magical pride to just have shamrocks
growing everywhere, like it's amazing, Okay, I love it. And
then they go see the Bulgarians who actually may have

(01:08:38):
beat them, with the understatement in being that they just
have a bunch of posters of Victor Crumb. They are
moving image posters, so I guess there's a little bit
of that. And this is the first time we find
out about Ron's celebrity crush on Crumb, which.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
He gets over it when he passes that crush onto
somebody else.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Well, it's true, but it very much sounds like the
way that teenage boys talk about like Lebron James, or
like Lionel Messi, or you know any sports figure. I mean,
I hear this. I hear this all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:09:21):
Girl.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
I am glad that you mentioned somebody like Lebron James,
because when we're we're reading about Victor Crumb in this,
you know that when we find out he's only just eighteen,
like he's still a student at his school, and here
he is like the Bulgarians, Like there's probably Bulgarian flags

(01:09:46):
up everywhere, but you don't see the Irish putting, you know,
posters and figures of Aiden Lensch up everywhere. It's all
Victor Crumb all over the place because he's the most
interesting person than this entire match. And I don't have
a lot to back this up, but I kind of

(01:10:06):
get the feeling that it's a little unusual for somebody
so young to be picked for the national squad because
we see this kind of thing in America all the time.
I don't know, and.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Yeah, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
A big especially like with I'm thinking of, like in particular,
American basketball is I think where them or maybe even
American football is probably where this comes up a lot,
is kids going straight from high school into professional sports
instead of going to college trying to get an education

(01:10:46):
in something other than being a pro athlete, and then
you know, hadging all their bets on being a pro
athlete for the rest of their lives, working out because
they're good enough to do it from the time they're eighteens.
So never mind whether or not that's even a good
idea in the first place, because people are gonna have
opinions about that. But I kind of get the feeling

(01:11:07):
that in the wizarding world, this isn't how these things
are usually done. Because I don't know, it makes me wonder, like,
how would somebody like Victor crumb Stack up against somebody
like Oliver Wood. Because Oliver Wood, we see that there's
no there's no wizarding universities for him. But and this
is something else that makes me kind of laugh, is

(01:11:28):
that we see Victor Crumb who has already gone pro
and he's still a student. But by contrast, we see
Oliver Wood, who has been signed to the Puddle and
Mirror United reserve team, finished school and he's on a
reserve team.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Don't hate on my man, Oliver Wood.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
I'm not hating on anybody. I'm just illustrating the difference
to these two young men who want to play quiddits
for a living and how they're going about doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
I do think it's very unusual. But I think if
if you the closest to quick that this is probably
somewhat based on is soccer? Right? Is football? And so
I want to say I have learned so much about
soccer from my students. I don't know anything about soccer
except for what they tell me. And I want to say,
there was a professional soccer player who was basically drafted

(01:12:16):
when he was like nine years old or something.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
It may have been messy.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I think it's like, okay, all right, an actual one.
But it does. It has happened, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Okay, So just quiddage is based on essential like soccer
as we see it, like Premier League, that kind of thing.
Premier League clubs in the Muggle world they have academies
that they bring young players in. They they worked up
into their academy to eventually make it into the professional club.

(01:12:54):
American sports doesn't have that. That's mainly been regulated out,
requiring either a couple of basketball like you were saying, Jeff,
it requires a number of years between your last high
school year versus when you are eligible to play in
the National Basketball Association. Soccer in England doesn't work like that.

(01:13:18):
All of the big clubs they have academies. That seems
like what Oliver Wood is playing on. He is he
graduated from Hogwarts, he is joining an academy. He is
going to have a different route to make it to
the actual big leagues or whatever than Trump did. And
that is one hundred percent based on talent. Trump is

(01:13:38):
exceptionally talented. A lot of these a lot of the
Premier League clubs, they will promote players from the academy
to the league based on talent. That it doesn't matter
if you're eighteen or twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
I saw this reserves team as more of like Triple A.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Baseball maybe, but like there's under there's like U twenty
one teams that these you clubs have to cat.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
I just want to say that I wasn't kidding about
Roy Kent because he was recruited at age nine to
the Sunderland club. But also I forgot the other point
I was going to make.

Speaker 4 (01:14:13):
Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
It'll come back to me in about five minutes when
we've completely changed subjects.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Victor Crumb being eighteen in the way that he's built
and going up against other adults who have you know,
they may be a little bit older than him, but
by this point he's pretty much like he's probably done growing,
so he's he's about he's built about right to be
competing with adults. But a nine year old competing this

(01:14:41):
year against.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Still they're not competing against adults, Yeah, they're none.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
They're being recruited into the academy to eventually make it
to the like yeah, not Beckham. It was the other
like English was big talking about he made his professional
debut like on the English national team that likes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
It's basically like if you're if right, like like Allison mentioned,
like Triple A Baseball, like you may you can play
for Triple A Baseball as a younger person because they
recruit you for that team. So it's like you know,
the those Each major League Baseball team has a Triple

(01:15:22):
A team that they pull players from, so you could
play for that team as a younger person to try.
It's basically the same but different. What was I gonna say,
I don't know. It was probably really profound and super important.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Probably probably I just wanted to give another shout out
to Oliver Wood to quote Taylor swift wreck my plans.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
That's my man, Wayne Rooney, That's who I was thinking about.

Speaker 5 (01:15:52):
It.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
That's not my brain. That's not my brain. Google.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
See I took reserve team at Puddlemere United to mean
like he is. I'm not gonna call him a benchwarmer
or a substitute, but like O, I would think that
more in light of the fact that he is slightly
younger and has just joined the team, that they're the backups.
They are there to tap in if somebody gets hurt
and isn't able to play.

Speaker 4 (01:16:17):
Yeah, there's there's aball is doing Yeah, there's a lot
of different routes that it could go. Like the NFL
has practice squad. You're not on the professional team, but
you're on the practice team and you're just there for practice.
That's how I view what oliver Wood is actually doing,
like as as it's been described, but.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
Like it's the team they scrimmage against.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Yeah, without that information, Yeah, there's there's four five different
possibilities on what that could actually mean.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Speaking of these young kids, though, we also get our
first mention of foreign schools, and they talk about these
teenagers walking around which school do you guys think they're from?
My guess was dirm String that they may.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Like because because they're there to support their friends. What
I was saying, they're they're they're, they're this. This is
definitely a thing that would happen. Like there were kids
who never cared at all about basketball, and I was
one of them. But suddenly when our team was going
to state, which they've won a few times, actually, suddenly

(01:17:26):
the student population is being very, very heavily encouraged to
make the trip to go to the game to support
the team from their school, even if the teammates who
are actually playing in the game are people that these
students care absolutely nothing about. It's not about that. It's
about trying to prove the school play spirit. Yes, exactly,

(01:17:50):
it's school spirit. But like we we we don't really
see how Victor interacts with his fellow classmates when they
show up at Hogwarts for the try Wizard Tournament. But
I would think that being the like, he seems like
the jockey like hero of the school popular kid type,

(01:18:15):
not because of his personality, just by virtue of the
fact that he is clearly the best quidditch player at
his school. And if anybody has any arguments to, you know,
dispute that, good luck, because he's the one on the
national squad. I'm just saying that, being if, especially if
we're going by typical high school ish tropes here, he's

(01:18:38):
the best athlete in the school, that probably alone makes
him the most popular kid. Well, even if he does,
he seems to me like the type who doesn't really
know what to do with that popularity in terms of
the student population, because we never have any reason to
think that he's particularly socialized.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Relative for best athlete.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yeah, obviously they do have like they have girls at
the school right, Yes, at DRM strength because they pay.
They pay Bobiton as a girls school and Durhamstrang is
a boys school in the film. It's not that way.
It's not that way in the book. There's germ Strang girls, right, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Are there Bobaton boys.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
I know there are barboystra.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Girls at Hogwarts?

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Are we certain that there are Germstrang girls at Hogwarts?
I know there are Bobaton boys.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
There have to be derm Strang girls at the school.
But see, what I would see happening is that there
are female students who attend dirm Strang, but Karkaroff didn't
bring them. Because Karkaroff is It seems like the kind
of persons need to naturally assume that none of the
girls at his school are going to have the competitive

(01:19:47):
edge over Victor because they're girls. He has the very
he has a very misogynistic like energy to me, pot or.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
More does specifically say Dermstring Institute is a school for
witches and wizards. However, I just want to point out
that wizards is a gender neutral term, so we could
be saying witches and which, you know, whatever. But this
seems to imply that it is a co ed hold
on I'm looking. But as I said, wizard is a

(01:20:17):
canonical gender neutral term for a magical person.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
Yes, for the record, because Fred George did not only
sell their weezes to man.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Yes. And also Harmione is called a talented wizard many times.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Also, it's called the wizarding World, not the I prefer
to call it the magical world. Yeah, but wizarding World
has an alliterative palante.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Yeah. What's you're looking up, Alison.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
I'm looking up if it says that there uh in
the book, if it says.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
The Wizard Tournament HP lexicon, let's just look it up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
But I wanted to flind it in the I know
you keep.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
Looking and I'm I'm I'm searching on the lexicon. Let's see. Hum,
just as students.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Hey, Josh, Hey Jeff, why do seagulls fly over the sea?
Why Jeff, because if they.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
Flew over the bay, they'd be bay gels if.

Speaker 4 (01:21:33):
I had the power. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
That's from the wiki, so we're not gonna believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
It just as students, that's a specific.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Boy, Let's see. I found the chapter of Bobatan and
dirm String here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
I'm also looking through the Goblet of Fire.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Sorry, anyone put.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
Their name in your all ther.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I have burped multiple times, and I muted myself like
a lady to be fair, I don't typically mean myself.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
It literally just says students every time it's talking about them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
String.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
Yeah, he do like to be beside the side.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I mean, I think it's all dudes from Dirm String.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I stand by what I said. There are female students
at the school, but Karkaroff didn't bring any because he
thinks girls aren't as good as boys when it comes
to competitions, and he was hedging all his bets on
Crumb being picked anyway, so he probably even looked at
the other male students as extras.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Well, we know that he did, because he treats them
like crapola.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Yeah. I literally think it does not say in the
book about String specifically.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
It says people were disembarking. This is about the ship
coming up out of the people were just and just.
They could see their silhouettes passing the lots in the
ship's pour hooles. All of them, Harry noticed, semed to
be build along the lines of crab and oil. But
then as they drew near, walking up the lawns and
lots streaming from Mentor's hall. He saw that their bulk
was really dude to the fact that they were wearing cloaks
of some kind of shaggy, matted fur cockroll. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I think that is part of the reason they made
it appear like a boys' school and a girls school
in the movie, because in the book it's ambiguous, and
they're like, well, let's just make it boys against girls.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Also, it would have felt awkward to them to state
that choreography with at theirs Yeah, exactly, the tussuy wiggling,
but like there's some male students in there too, and
Ron's like, oh, okay, well, I guess this is the
moment where I learned something about.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Me bisexual king. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Anyway, we also get a view of how the ministry
works here.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
As much as he does.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
I do have to say, though, I got to give
a shout out to the excellent names that you know
they hear from Arthur Weasley here it's it's amazing, just
ten out of ten for great creative names. But we
get a few more ministry offices that we hadn't heard
of before. We learned about the Goblin Liaison office. Experimental charms,

(01:24:27):
and of course the Department of Mysteries, which is getting
its little preview a book early, which seems to be
what happens a lot. I was thinking. I was like,
that happens a lot where we get like a drop
a book or two early for something that's going to
show up later. It's anyways, I think it's ring very.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Super fun.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
And of course we hear Bode, who will of course
be the unspeakable that dies.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
In order of the Phoenix Tragic. Clearly the most tragic
character death in the series Fred Fred Weasley, who never
mind straight up anyway. My favorite part of this recap
that we get from Arthur Weasley is that it shows
you what kind of guy he is. He doesn't just

(01:25:13):
go into work stick to the I mean it's just
him and Perkins in his own department, but even within
the Department of Magical Law Enforcement, he doesn't just associate
with the people he works with immediately all the time
and then go home.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
He gets to know people that he remembers their names,
he knows where they work. He has an annex dol
the t about exactly like but I think of it
like he does it with this really loving like, oh,
these are some interesting people. Here's why I think they're interesting.
They're just it. Really, it's a kind of a contrast.

(01:25:48):
I would think to somebody like, you know, there are
some people who they just they go to work, they
do their job, they come home and if that's all
they need, then find But Arthur actually like he gets
to know the people around him, and he likes I
get the feeling he likes when people talk about themselves
because he gets to know people and he doesn't judge

(01:26:09):
them unless their name rhymes with smlfoy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
I also think it speaks to just how how much
of everything that Arthur's job seems to touch. Right, that
working with Muggle artifacts is going to mean that he
is going to be working at some point or another
with almost every other department. Right, experimental charms, somebody's doing
weird charms on muggle artifacts. He's going to be in there, right,

(01:26:35):
Goblin liaison, the Goblins are complaining about something or I
don't know, I don't Muggles are coming across Goblin artifacts,
then okay, he's going to be there too.

Speaker 5 (01:26:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
There's he's so versatile, Like this job is so versatile,
and therefore I think so much more important than most
people give it credit for because they see him as
just like, oh, that's that's Arthur Weasley, that kind of
nutter who loves muggle stuff. Right, But it's like, no,
he's actually really important to all of your jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
I also think he's probably the guy who is always
in the breakroom when it's somebody's birthday eating cake. So
they all know him and they all like him because
he's jovial and kind and you know all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Is probably the guy bringing in the cake.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
I mean, they can't afford to make pike for everybody.
But I hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
I mean he's you know what, No, you know who
Arthur is. Arthur's the guy going around to everybody saying, hey,
it's this person's birthday, did you sign the card?

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Yeah, there's I have learned a hard lesson over the
last year or so of my job that your coworkers
are not your friends. That's like a very important thing
to remember. But I think that doesn't apply to Arthur Weasley.
I think Arthur Weasley is your friend.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Well, and you can be friendly and on good terms
with people that you work with.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Right, like people don't have. But people don't have to
be your friends because you work together. But you know,
we've been talking about we made more than a few
references to the office today. This is something that comes
up on that show all the time. There's people who
think that your co workers have to be your family,
and there's people who think that people who work in
an office together just work in an office together. I

(01:28:11):
think it's easier to have like the mentality of yeah,
but like there's less than two dozen people working in
that office, and they're up in each other's personal spaces
pretty often, Whereas I work in an Amazon warehouse and
people come and go from there every day, and there's
more people working in that building than I would ever meet. So, yeah,

(01:28:33):
I'm not going to be friends with everybody that I
work with for a lot of reasons. But there are
people I've met at work who have become friends. It's
not necessary, but it's nice when it works out that
way well.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
And Arthur also has this thing of like trying to
help people out in his job. Like multiple times throughout
the series, we're told he helped me out of a
bit of trouble, you know. For Actually that's how they
have the tickets to this, isn't it, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yes, yeah, and then he's going to do it again
in the next chapter with uh with with Moody.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Honestly, Arthur's just like he's he's that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:11):
Yeah, and again his job touches everything else, right, So
he's come into contact with all of these people, I'm sure,
and that's how he's gotten to know them and can
do them favors.

Speaker 4 (01:29:22):
And I think it's that I think that Arthur is
someone that that isn't that isn't not that he's not
thought holly of, but like if somebody is in trouble
and like they're like it comes around or what and
Arthur's there, he I think I can help you with that.
What if I did What if we did this and
we get you know, and we figured something out? And
then that's how he kind of ingratiates himself in there.

(01:29:43):
He's also a very nice man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Listen. Yes, the best way to get ahead in life
is to be the most helpful person period. That is,
if if you take one piece of advice from me
ever in these last thirteen years, take that because the
more you help people, the more people will think of

(01:30:06):
you positively. And if you're just kind yes.

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Well, and is Arthur looking for anything in return for that?

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Hell?

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
Usually yeah, yeah exactly if he.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
If he were, you know, he would have leveraged it
into a different lifestyle.

Speaker 3 (01:30:24):
Yeah by now. Yeah, So while they're chatting with these people,
we we get some information as well. And we're going
to talk about our next person in a moment, but
I wanted to talk about It's mentioned that they've set
up port keys on five continents. Folks, there are seven continents,

(01:30:46):
So I'm like, so, which continents got excluded from these?

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Antarcticas well?

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Obviously Antarctica, but who else then?

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
We know there are port keys in Europe. We know
there are port keys in Africa.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
Well, first name the seven continents.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
That's six.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Did I leave? I thought I saw, I said it
in my head.

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
The only one that we don't really have proof of
being there are South America, Brazil, Brazil is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Asia. Yeah, it'd be Asia.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Because we know that we don't have proof that anyone
from Asia is there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
So but we know there's no one there's people from Europe, Africa,
North America.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
No, we don't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
We don't know about Brazil. We don't. Brazil comes up
with Brazil talks about Yeah, so we don't know about
South America. We know North America, we can. I was
thinking because Bulgaria is more in Eastern Europe, there might
be something more around like the Eastern European in Western.

Speaker 4 (01:32:01):
We don't have any proof of videos. We don't have
any proof of Australians being here.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
We don't have Australia either.

Speaker 4 (01:32:06):
In Australia got left out. Australia too far away for
a port key?

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Well, yeah, remember the port keys? Port keys? You come
am I making this up? And for water? Then can
you travel over water with I think that when it
makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:32:27):
How would North American South America get there? Then I
think it's a.

Speaker 3 (01:32:30):
Distance or even how would you get from like Europe
to Britain the tunnel?

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
I mean, I don't know. I know, I'm trying to
remember where we learn but there are definitely travel distance maximums,
and I'm trying to remember where I've learned that information.

Speaker 4 (01:32:54):
We know that there's travel maximums for apparition. Yeah, because
and definitely Hallis talks about how Voldemort's too far away
to operate. He's like flying back to get close enough
to operate.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
So maybe it is Australia. Maybe Australia is too far
away and they have to come in closer to get
the pork.

Speaker 4 (01:33:14):
Yeah, they've set up Porky and I mean yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
The lexicon doesn't have anything. Yeah, I mean that would
be wild if you could travel from Oceania all the
way to the UK.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Well, but with a port key. Yeah, you're right, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
As the Crow Flies, let's see, As the Crow Flies
is a website, yes, for the record, where you can
look up how far it is between. So let's just
pick Sydney for S and G's and we'll go to
We'll just go to well, we'll do Yorkshire where Alison

(01:33:52):
thinks it is. As the Crow Flies, that is ten
thousand and five hundred miles. Could you imagine taking a
port key ten five hundred miles?

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
How nice that would be?

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Though, Like, Okay, in Star Trek when they beam each
other up, are they even beaming each other that far?
Who is anyone here watched Star Trek? Jeff is sleeping, So.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
I'm sorry, it's sorry. It's just the amount of time
dedicated to Internet research during today's episode, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:34:28):
Questions come up, we gotta know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:30):
I mean, have you been on this show ever?

Speaker 5 (01:34:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
No, But seriously, in Star Trek, where are they beaming
to and from?

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
I mean, that's just a whole different question that's being
question when you're beaming to and from. The question for
me isn't even how far are you doing it? It's
are you even really you? Because they're basically taking your
molecules apart and reassembling them somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Yeah, for sure, isn't that speed kind of stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
I don't watch Dark I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
I don't know. Maybe it's just maybe I just don't
remember Star Trek very well. I always kind of got
the impression that they were at least hovering somewhere in
the atmosphere of wherever they're beaming down to.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
I agree. So, like, how far did Katie Perry travel?
Did she go over ten thousand, five hundred miles when
she went into the stratosphere?

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
No, not far enough, because she came back.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
It's only like like fifty miles or something.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Right, exactly, Okay, Right, that's what I thought. That's what
I thought. So this is amazing and even though it
causes nausea. I'd be all over a port key if
I could go to Australia that quickly, because I have
friends that I never get to see because they live
ten five hundred miles away. As it profiles.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Yeah, no, i'd be all about that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
But yeah, we are missing quite a lot of wizards here.
We don't get a whole lot of representations.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
It's just it's the it's the fact that they say
five continents and I'm like, but there are seven continents,
so it was left out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
Yeah, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
Gotta be even in the apocryphy. I don't think we
get any evidence of a magical population in Antarctica.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Do we know unless the penguins are magical somehow, well.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
They wouldn't be able to afford to come over because
of the tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
So no, stop crying, baby, it's a sign.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
At a time, I did warn people that it was
a Friday night and that we were.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
All in a mood. Yes, it's we're all in the mood.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
We're all in a mood.

Speaker 3 (01:36:38):
The person who maybe it's just the person who brings
us this information who's just too dumb to realize they're
too they're two continents.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Wow, they're about dumb because.

Speaker 6 (01:36:53):
Well done, well done, as I'm kidding, and that is
our introduction to ludo bag men.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
And I just have to say, for some reason this.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
Time reading I take, I just had such a fence
to this comment.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
What they say it just say it, Okay, I just
had for some reason, and I've never had this before
reading this. First of all, I get very Boris Johnson
vibes from Ludo Bagman this time, and I was like, ill,
you don't know who Boris Johnson is. You're lucky anyway.
But I also had this image of James Cordon being

(01:37:33):
cast as bagmen, and I was like, it fits, but
I also hate that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Well say, I was trying to picture it. I couldn't
it Just it actually reminded me that I actually have
in terms of being a guy who went from being
very likable to being kind of a villain, kind of fast. Sure,
like I could, I could feel that, but in terms
of like a person who I feel like, would I

(01:38:00):
actually carry off the role a little better? I heard
I heard Kat say, oh, is it because you clicked
on the link that I included?

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
Yeah, and I see it. I see it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
My fantasy casting for ludo Bagman would have been an
actor by the name of James Fleet. For anybody who's
not familiar with who that is by name. If you
saw Bridgerton on Netflix, he played He's played King George
the Third, that's him. My point of reference for him
is a British sitcom that, as far as I know,

(01:38:30):
only I have seen, called The Vicar of Dibley. I
haven't it's going to come up again in a second.
But the reason I think of him for this role
is because he plays this character on The Vicar of
Dibley who's a little kind of bumbly and not incompetent.
That feels a little bit much, but just he's not

(01:38:53):
that bright about a lot of things that you would
think he would know about based on where he is
in life. But he's very likable, Like he's just got
this kind of warmness to him that I feel like
people people are drawn to. So even if he's making mistakes,
like people, people still really like him. And that's the
kind of vibe that I get from Ludo Bagman. Yeah,
he's not qualified for his job, but this is the

(01:39:16):
ministry of Magic. We don't pick people for jobs based
on qualifications or how well they actually do the things
they say they're going to do. We just make stuff up.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Cat's taken offense. Cat was making a point. Sorry, she wasn't.
She was an offense. That was a that was a
making a point. Cat and Josh, who's your fantasy casting
for Ludell bac Men.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
I don't have one. I don't have one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:43):
Really, it's a hard, it's a hard. I guess I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
As you all know listeners, I didn't get to put
my notes in and I didn't like review everything before
the episode, so like I just don't view the I
don't view it like that. I guess, like I view
Bagman as Bagma and then like I don't try to
like put people into that, like like especially all the
discord over like the castings for the show. I don't

(01:40:12):
care about it at all because like it doesn't affect
me any so, like it's really hard for me to
even think off the spot. Also, I'm not a big
movie and like TV.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Versus, Yeah, I don't really do fantasy castings. I don't
really care. That's not that's not disparaging the two of you.
I just don't care. But I swear if they put
James Cordon in that role. No, No, I mean, I
guess it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
I'll be real. It took me by surprise, like I
usually don't do that either, But for some reason, I
was reading it and I was like, why is that
who I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
At least ludo it doesn't sing, and you know it's
not a musical.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
Well, he's not supposed to. But I'm not gonna put
it past him to put him. I'm not gonna watch
it anyway for you know, reasons. But yeah, I wouldn't
put it past them to add weird stuff in their
own don't.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Put any ideas in their head.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Right because they're gonna listen to me. But See, my
thing with fantasy casting is I don't Maybe maybe I'm
the only one who does it this way and it's
kind of weird, but I don't fantasy cast anything that
is actually going to happen. The only reason I have
a fantasy casting for Ludo bagman at all is because

(01:41:26):
there's never going to be a ludo bagman in the films.
Those are you know, over and done with, and there
was no ludo bagman anyway. So I'm okay with fantasy casting.
Who might have worked had they put him in, But
I wouldn't have come up with an idea for who
should play Ludo bagman if I knew. It's like whenever

(01:41:47):
whenever we get through another James Bond and people are like,
who should be James Bond next? Or whenever we get
through a new doctor and people say, yeah, who should
be the Yeah I would I would have been in
the I probably would have been it. But I just
want to I just want to dress elbow to be
in everything.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Yeah, i'd also take Cavel for the record, but it's sure.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
But like, like another one that comes up all the
time is the doctor because doctor who people I never
fantasy casted the doctor because I can't predict what kind
of doctor they're gonna go for next. But when we
when we got shooting Shooty Gottwa and people who are like,
are you serious, Like why not? Why can't it be him?

Speaker 3 (01:42:28):
He's great?

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Give him a chance? And he has been great. He's
been a fantastic doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
He's great. He's great. Anyway, getting back to ludo here, Yeah,
he is the head of Magical Games and Sports, a
former Wimborne WASPS beat and I love the description of
him how he's like walking around like I picture. Not

(01:42:56):
to bring up the office again, but I just can't
help it. In the episode where they're in Florida and
Jim is pretending that there are bed bugs and he's
like the very smug I remember that. Oh yeah, that's
what I picture Ludo Bagman walking like with his big

(01:43:19):
black and white stripes with a big like wasp on
the back. I think it's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
I just love it, like the way very smug.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
I get, okay, he's let himself go and he's gained weight.
It's like, again, we have this thing with pointing out
when men have big round bellies and people get older
and they gained weight, and for some reason we just
have to constantly point this out about characters in this series,
and it drives me absolutely nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
I think this one is specific. I think this one
is specific because it's pointing out that this man is
living in the past, right, that he is still living
in his heyday of being a beater, but he is
not there anymore, and he's in total denial about it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
So it's more like a just a hint of like
he's a forty year old who still wears his letterman
jacket out to the bus.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
That's what I was trying to get there. I was
almost I was like this close to getting there, Like
another two sentences and I would have been there. But
that's exactly what I was about to say, is that
it's more the fact that he is this man who
has gained a lot of weight but refuses to buy
robes that are a reflection of his state. Like he's

(01:44:30):
not wearing something that clearly costs a lot of money,
or something that fits him better or is a more
flattering silhouette for his frame. It's the fact that he's
wearing these robes that are the same ones that he like.
He's not even taking them to Madame Malklins to be
let out. He's clearly wearing the robes that he wore

(01:44:53):
when he was a quidted hero that don't fit him anymore.
And let's be honest, these robes are pretty baggy to
begin with. Most of the ones we see they're not
exactly form fitting, So there was a probably a fair
amount of give in this fabric to begin with. But
he's just walking around not even caring that it doesn't

(01:45:17):
quite fit and that it makes it look like he's
been squeezed into a sausage gazing just because these are
the ropes that let him refuse to move on.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Well, he also could not care less about security and
is just like flapping his gumsh everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
And it's insane to me, right, Like, so much of
what ludle Bagman does is crazy to me. He's this
lacks about security. Surely him running bets as the head
of the Department of Magical Games in Sports should be illegal, Like, well,
how is he doing this?

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
I mean you have all of that, you have like
him wanting to talk about the child Woozard tournament in
front of Hogwarts students here weeks and months before we
get to Hogwarts. It's just insane. It's just absolutely insaney.
I don't know what the betting rules are in England
or like what they were in the nineties here, but

(01:46:17):
like I know, like in America, sports betting was illegal
except for like in Las Vegas. I guess up until
the last few years.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
The pandemic really changed that in the States.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Yeah, I live one mile from Churchill Downs. The weekend
we are recording this is the Kentucky Derby.

Speaker 4 (01:46:38):
Yeah, that is the only.

Speaker 2 (01:46:42):
The gambling that happens at Churchill, and it's legal. You
walk up to the window, you place your bet, and
if you get your money, you go collect your money.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:52):
Well, and you know, and we're talking about we're talking
about a ministry official doing slightly she washy things. And
I'm looking at the camera with my big eyes going.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
Yeah, who is you know, who has a vested interest
and probably helped organize a lot of this.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
How is he allowed to do? The bill they just
introduced is not called the Pelosi Act for no reason,
my friends, because it shouldn't be happening.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
Here we go again.

Speaker 4 (01:47:23):
The author named him bag Man for a reason. I mean,
he's selling the odds like he is the he's the bookie,
he's the he's the book.

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
I never thought about that for his last name. Yeah,
that makes total sense.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Yeah so, but I also.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Think it also speaks to the incompetence in Fudge's ministry.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
There's also, I mean also the fact that Bagman's like, oh,
Bertha Jorkins will show up and we really can't spare
anyone at the moment, even though he was just like,
there's not much for me to do right now. But
you know, my Bulgarian counterpoint wants to talk to me
about something, but I don't have anything to do right now.
Like what this man is insane.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
It's like the fact that he is immediately zeroing in
on her least like satisfactory qualities and trying to use
them to put the blame on her and not take
any responsibility for the fact that she's missing or hasn't
been found. That's the only thing about him that screams
this man is a politician trying not to take responsibility

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for the fact that something bad happened, and he might
actually have some of the blame for not getting her back.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
Oh no, Yeah, he's It's so funny because I feel
like you see a lot of his flaws more as
an adult, but as a kid he does seem like, Oh,
he's just this cool sports guy, you know. And that's
kind of how Harry sees him at this point until
he starts to see that dark underbelly that comes out
near the.

Speaker 4 (01:48:56):
End, right. Yeah, I mean, so Bagman's walking around. He
knows that the Bulgarian people want to talk to him,
but he doesn't understand anything that they're saying. He says
that he has to have Crouse Senior to be there
with him because he speaks two hundred languages, which like,
if we can move on to the crowd, senior, real quick,
like two hundred languages, what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
I don't think he really speaks that many. I think
they're exaggerating. I think even that bag Men's oh my god,
Bagman says about one hundred and fifty languages, which I
think is just a large number that he's throwing out
because it sounds nice. But I think when Percy says
he speaks over two hundred, I never got that he
meant fluently. I got that he was either aware of

(01:49:39):
two hundred languages or that possibly Percy is just trying
to overhype his boss because he wants everybody to think
that this is the smartest man in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
I needed to google this because I needed to know
the number. According to the BBC, it's estimated that there
are up to seven thousand different languages spoken around the world,
but it says that not ninety percent of these languages
are used by less than a one hundred thousand people.
That's wild, is that is?

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
I wonder if that I also loved of like you
like this language and you have these branches that come down.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Yeah, you know, probably for my own clarification, does anybody
know what it is a dead language when it is
technically a language, and it's yeah, when it's no longer
like regularly, because like Sanskrit is a dead language, but
you can learn it.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
It's it's when it's no longer spoken routinely, because like
Latin is a dead language and you can technically still
speak it. But I think we're just not exactly sure
that that is how it was spoken.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
According to the Internet, Sanskrit is not a dead language,
and not Latin is also not a dead language.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
It's not now I have always heard Latin is a
dead language, Allison.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
I don't know if you and I have ever been
in the same boat like this before. We both see
the same we both basically did the same thing, and
we had the exact same reaction. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:51:07):
So according to Britannica Britannica, this one says, quote, a
dead language is one no longer learned as a first
language or used in ordinary communication. So classic Latin, the
language of Cicero in Virgil, became dead after its form
became fixed, whereas vulgar Latin the language most Romans ordinarily

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used continues to be used.

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
So so my classification of Sanskrit is a dead language
was wrong, but my basic understanding of what is a
dead language was pretty much correct.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Yes, okay, yes, I did look it up though too.
And the living record for how many languages a person
can speak is claimed to be fifty nine. Oh, there's
there's some not quite sure about that because when they
tested the guy who says that, it wasn't entirely sure.
But the apparent historical record is someone who knew two

(01:52:05):
hundred and was able to speak about one hundred. So listen,
Barti Crouch Senior is not speaking over to itage.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
Okay, but what is the qualifier when when you can
speak a language or no a language? I can say,
don't askedabano in Spanish, but that doesn't mean I know
Spanish exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
Is this is that person the living record who claims
to have fifty nine language? Is he fluent? Are they fluent?

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Well, that's the thing I think they because I was
looking it up, like, does Barti Crouch clearly been tested
on Spanish television where it was not clear just how
well he could communicate in some of them.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
A cardinal born in seventeen seventy four spoke thirty eight
languages and forty dialects. The tenth century Muslim polymath Al
Farabi was reported reputed to know seventy languages. The German
Hans Conon vonder gabelin I said that wrong, I'm sure,
born in eto seven, researched and published grammars of eighty languages.
The record, though, probably belongs to Sir John Bauering, governor

(01:53:08):
of Hong Kong from eighteen fifty four to eighteen fifty nine,
who was said to know two hundred languages and capable
of speaking one. Great.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
Well, no one can dispute it because he's been dead
for one hundred and fifty years. So well yeah, wow, yeah,
But the point is, no way in heck is Barti
Crouch Senior full speaking or what what are the exact words?

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Percy says, mister Crouch speaks over two hundred God, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Give him the benefit of the doubt. Then maybe he
does speak over two hundred languages, but he's probably not
a fluent.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
No, and he probably can't really community.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
Let's see if we're gonna count it that way.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Are we talking about international languages the humans speak to
each other or are we talk because Percy specifically launches
into magical language like mrmish, gobbledegook and troll. He doesn't
say French, Italian, Spanish.

Speaker 4 (01:54:00):
I mean, like if we're talking, well, I think he's
trying to just talk well, doing this thing of like
look at who am surrounding myself with, look at who
look at who chose me to work for him?

Speaker 3 (01:54:15):
Because well, and Percy does this, right, Percy very much,
hero worships ministry officials he thinks are powerful. We see
this over and over again that this is such a
thing for Percy to very much someone who seems impressive
and powerful. Percy is gonna like completely hear a worship,
look past any faults, like yeah, exactly right, Like this

(01:54:39):
is just kind of what Percy does, which.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
Is why it's incredible that Crouch calls him weather Be,
especially because Crouch knows Arthur, and you would have to
assume knows Arthur's last name is Weasley. You'd have to
assume that he knows that. Maybe he doesn't, but think
about how many people in your life you only know
half of somebody's name unless you have just met them,

(01:55:02):
but they've seemingly worked together for a while. It just
it's not just a slight I think it's like a person,
like a very pointed and like sit down, little boy,
I'm gonna play.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
It shows you know it. I also think it shows
a lot about Crouch as a person, right, Like how
we talked about how Arthur knows everyone knows something about them,
they know him, whereas Crouch knows nothing about people. Right,
He doesn't even seem to realize that weather Be his assistant,
is Arthur Weasley's son. Right, he doesn't even seem to

(01:55:39):
make that connection. He's so stiff, he's so straight laced,
he's so unnatural in all of his descriptions that he
doesn't seem to look at anything below the surface, right,
and make those connections like that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
And not only that, let's also bear in mind that
Bardi Crouch Senior is at this point in his own
timeline where he is the definition of preoccupied. His wife
is dead, his son is broken out of jail. He
is trying to keep his son a big old secret.
He's already put this memory charm on Bertha Jorkins. His

(01:56:16):
son is in the tent right now with his house elf,
and he doesn't know what's gonna go down after the
match or even during the match, but he's still, you know,
he's he's harboring some pretty dark secrets right now that
are keeping him preoccupied. And Percy hasn't been working for

(01:56:37):
him for very long. So I almost wonder if things
weren't so dark and secretive in his family life at
the moment, if he might not have actually had the
attention span to realize that it's not Weatherby, it's Weasley.

Speaker 4 (01:56:51):
Yeah, I agree with that. When when is this? When
is the World Cup happening? Like it's right after the Hogwarts?
Like it's right after a Prisoner of Azkaban, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
It's before Harry's birthday, it is.

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
So it's in June, yes, or June July ish, So
I mean Percy's only been working for Crouch in June.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
It's after Harry's birthday, not before, because Harry has birthday
cake under his floorboards a few chapters before this.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
Oh that's right, right, Yeah, So it's August, so it's
been two months.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
I'm going to look at it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
Yeah, yeah, So, I mean, but Percy's been working for
Crouch for two months. Yeah he should, I mean he
should know his name. But like you said, Jeff, he
set all the stuff going on.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
It was, oh, this is like days before they go
to Hogwarts. It's August twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:57:37):
Huh uh huh okay, well, okay, exactly, yeah, okay, So
that would that would make it like, that would make
sense what Molly says in chapter five, because that's why
Molly goes and gets Harry's stuff from Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
That's right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:57:50):
Because then she says that the last cup to five days. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
So, I mean earlier we were talking about our fantasy
casting choices for Ludo Bagman. As far as casting choices,
maybe this is just my personal opinion, but I actually
think that one of the best casting choices in the
entire film series was Roger Lloyd Pack as Barti Crouch Senior, because, again,

(01:58:16):
speaking of Vicar of Dibley, he was on that show too,
and his character on Vicar of Dibley could not have
been more different from Barti Crouch because he plays this
farmer with a lot of really weird proclivities and absolutely
no social skills on the Vicar of Dibley, and yet

(01:58:37):
somehow this guy's on the parish council. But just the
way that Roger Lloyd Pack played this guy who's obviously
trying to be very upright proper about the rules. But
with that, it's the eyes for me. I'm especially thinking
of the moment when he's staring off into space and
he says the rules are absolute. The gublet offia constitutes

(01:58:59):
a binding batical contract, like the way he's got like
that disturbance behind his eyes. But he's delivering these lines
with such articulation like that. That guy was a master
of what he did. Unfortunately he's no longer with us,
but just when he was alive, he was so good
at what he did.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
The thing that really seals it for me that it's
a perfect casting is let me get into the headspace
wob Yeah, that's that seals the deal for me. A
plus casting choice iconic.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
I love this conversation that we get between these three
men between Ludo Bagman, Arthur Weasley and bartikrowd Senior about
Ali Bashir and his thing with the flying carpets. It
just I love it because they're here to have fun.
They're not on the clock, but here they are having work. Talk,

(01:59:57):
and I remember party Crutch says, Ali thinks there's a
niche in the market for a family vehicle. I remember
my grandfather had an axe Minster that could see twelve.
But this was before carpets were banned, of course, and
it always gives me thinking, carpets used to be legal
transportation in the magical community, and now.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
They are not.

Speaker 2 (02:00:20):
And I kind of started to think of possible reasons
why they might have outlawed magical car magic carpets as
a mode of transportation. And the ones I could think
of that would be the most likely are too many
people falling off of carpets, too conspicuous because of the

(02:00:40):
number of people on a carpet. My personal favorite political
corruption at the hands of big broom money. The broommakers
are greasing the politicians to outlaw carpets, and they're also
sponsoring this tournament that we're at right now. Draw your
own conclusions, author, would what what are you going to

(02:01:04):
talk about the fact that we get that ad for
what is it, the bluebell or the bottlebrush or whatever
it's called.

Speaker 1 (02:01:09):
The I was just going to toss some facts and
say that an Axminster carpet was a real thing. They
were originally made at a factory in Axminster, Devin, England
in seventeen fifty five.

Speaker 2 (02:01:22):
Correct, And they're quite large and quite quite durable. So yes,
an ideal candidate for something that you can fly on. Yeah,
and you can see twelve people on it. The other
reasons I thought of were the author would have had
to write flying carpet scenes into the book if they
weren't illegal and didn't want to. And then I started thinking,

(02:01:43):
if this Ali Basher guy, we find out later on
that he does get caught trying to smuggle these carpets
into the country, and I'm thinking, what was his plan?
He was going to sell these carpets people are going
to fly on, and then what did they really? Does
he really think that anyone who gets pulled over by

(02:02:03):
the Ministry for flying an illegal carpet isn't gonna turn
him in? Well, yeah, I think get out and go
where Like how much money or you're is it really
worth it? I have two.

Speaker 3 (02:02:16):
Theories of why they were banned. One of them is
more sinister than the other. The first one is they're
too conspicuous, right, Like a flying carpet with twelve people
on it is just too conspicuous. Right, A broomstick you
can hide to some degree. A flying carpet is not
very easy to do.

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
I disagree with that. You could put something underneath it,
they would make it look like the clouds.

Speaker 2 (02:02:39):
You can roll, okay, but you know what, you can
put it on the floor. You can hide it and
play aside. Just put it on the floor.

Speaker 3 (02:02:47):
But most people like put stuff on top of rugs,
especially when that big, and that would make it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Unusual if you have a wand they can vanish and
levitate objects. Putting stuff on top of your vehicle is
not that big a stray.

Speaker 3 (02:03:00):
Okay, then here's my second one, which is more sinister.
And that's that it had to do with because flying
carpets were foreign, right, and especially if we're thinking about
all right, Bardikraut Senior's grandfather probably we're talking maybe the
twenties or thirties has one. So what do you get

(02:03:25):
in between there where you get several World war conflicts?
Well not yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, but yeah several
Can I do math? Several World war conflicts plus other
regional conflicts that maybe made a and flying carpets are
mostly coming from like Middle Eastern, Yeah, of alt so
you get you get maybe this idea of well they

(02:03:49):
were they were outlawed because they were from that region, right,
and maybe it was couched under. Well they're dangerous, they're
too conspicuous, blah, couchounder. That happens a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Yeah, I did kind of start to think. I almost
put it as a reason on the lip if you
you you worded it more articulately than I think I
could have, which is why I left it off the list.
But I was worried a little bit about like the
stereotype of the flying carpet and whether or not that

(02:04:22):
might Yeah, I mean there are other I mean we're
talking about an author. We won't get into this lot
of time now, but I mean this author is clearly
not afraid to work some racism and some sexism and
some different things that end in phobic into this series.

Speaker 1 (02:04:42):
We're just gonna dabble it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:44):
If flying Carpets is where you draw the line, I'm
just saying it's an interesting line.

Speaker 3 (02:04:49):
I mean, it also makes this world a little bit
more realistic in some way to right. It also made
me think, especially because the name, the name Ali Busher,
right is obviously sounding like it's it's Indian or Pakistani probably,
which I'm trying to think of one partition happen. Does
anybody know that off the top of their heads?

Speaker 1 (02:05:07):
When what happened.

Speaker 3 (02:05:08):
Partition safeties is that light forty seven nineteen forty seven.
So get you get, especially you get Britain getting kicked out,
not kicked out, but Britain leaving India. So I can
see when Britain was did have India part of the empire,
right when they were colonizing India, maybe they were more

(02:05:29):
fashionable to have to have these things, but then once
they weren't anymore, then suddenly, and again this could have
been corruption, right of people are making money off of
these carpets when India was colonized, but then once they weren't, well,
now we're going to stop selling them because we don't
want to put money in people's pocket.

Speaker 4 (02:05:50):
Oh yeah, I mean could that could be a propaganda
campaign that goes, hey, English goods, that kind of stuff
we heard.

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
Actually, I think kat might have done the same thing
that I did. Would you do I since ever since
other people were doing their internet research today, I did
some while we were in the middle of an episode,
and I got I got very interested in where the
name but Shir comes from me too.

Speaker 1 (02:06:17):
All right, it didn't touch that's better. There we go.

Speaker 2 (02:06:23):
So it's a name that of Arabic origin, and what
I love about it is that it translates to bringer
of good news.

Speaker 3 (02:06:33):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
See if this Ali Bashir had had a moment in
the book to try to sell his flying carpets, like
I could see that maybe being a selling point for him.

Speaker 1 (02:06:45):
I'm the bringer of good news, bro by my carpets.

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
Let me bring you some good news today. I have
got amazing discounts on my flying carpets, like a used
I get kind of used car salesman vibes from Ali Bashar.

Speaker 3 (02:06:59):
The way you said that gave me the salesman at
the beginning of a Laddin.

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
Which Robin Williams improvised that whole thing. They just put
him on a sound stage with a bunch of toys
and he made up that whole scene.

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
That is the second Robin Williams mentioned in this podcast.
And I love it it is.

Speaker 4 (02:07:15):
I'm here for it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:17):
How about them apples? Sorry? Nice, Okay, let's let's let's
let's let's wrap up this chapter. We pulped me meet
all the people, and the gong is about to sound.
The moment is almost upon it tool time.

Speaker 3 (02:07:38):
It's time for party time, because here comes the match.
I did have to laugh though that it specifically says like, yeah,
the ministry gives up at trying to contain Yeah, the
vendors popping up, but yeah. But I was like, so
why not set it up so that it doesn't matter
in the first place, Like if you're just gonna.

Speaker 2 (02:07:57):
Give up, Yeah, I personally like, I it's it's a
small moment, but I love when the vendors pop up
and they've got all this stuff for sale because listen
so fun. I don't have any problem. I don't have
a problem with sports in general. I won't get into
how I feel about specific you know, sports figures or

(02:08:19):
things that have come up in the world of professional sports,
but like, as far as going to a sports match,
I don't follow sports, but I can go to a
sports match and have a good time. And I'll also
admit I'm a sucker for the stuff that they have
for sale at the match. I remember, I'm not a
big basketball person, but my brothers and I and my

(02:08:41):
mom and a bunch of our family members. We went
to an Indiana Pacers game a couple of years back.
I still have a hoodie from it because I like
collecting hoodies from the fun stuff that I go to,
and I wanted to feel like I was part of
the things. So like I get these vendors showing up
with all this stuff for sale, because I probably would
have bought a dancing shamrock hat. It does make me

(02:09:02):
wonder though, that I, in particular the omnioculars I think
could have been a bigger thing, because omnioculars cost ten
galleons a wand costs less than these omnioculars. And as
we see with some of the other stuff, like the

(02:09:23):
little rosette that squeaks Troy Mullet Moran, like the charm
wears off because it speaks faster and the voice gets fainter,
so eventually it wears off. I have to assume that
if they hadn't been ripped off of Ron's hat, the
dancing Shamrocks would have stopped dancing eventually. But for ten gallions,
are the omnioculars always going to work or are they

(02:09:44):
gonna wear out after a couple of years too? And
also these omnioculars seem pretty useful to me on you
know us by Mission, which Harry does a lot of,
So why does then he keep them?

Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
I sort of see them as like binoculars.

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
See I kind of associate that with like opera glasses.

Speaker 2 (02:10:10):
With superpowers.

Speaker 3 (02:10:11):
But but yeah, but but they specifically seem to have
been made for quidditch, right because they'll like slow things
down and they'll tell you what the different moves are
specifically for quidditch. So I think they'll last, but I
think they their usage outside of watching quidditch matches might
be limited.

Speaker 2 (02:10:31):
They should tell you that before you buy them, because
I'm sorry, but it costs. It's the fact that they
cost more than a wand would they do that capitalism?

Speaker 4 (02:10:42):
Well, so, but it's interesting. I want to find that
I have a good use for omnioculars that aren't quiddache
because it says that like they're binoculars with all these
weird knobs and stuff on them, and it says that
you can replay actions, slow everything down. They flash up
a Playboy Player right now if you need it, which
like that is quota specific. But if you're bird watching language,

(02:11:06):
I bet you could get a bird slow down, like
really focusing on that bird. I think you could, Yeah,
I don't think they can do a play by play
breakdown of like what that bird's doing. Maybe, but like maybe, Sorry,
I wanted to go back to the ten gallions for
the stuff and then the ones being the ones being
seven gallions comes up a lot when we discuss prices

(02:11:27):
of stuff. We could also just be leaving out the
fact that Oliveander loves what he does and maybe he
just views it as a rot of students to have
a wand and like he's just he's artificially keeping the
price low because it's only him, he's the only one.

Speaker 1 (02:11:44):
I mean, that's about Yeah, that's about thirty five pounds,
which is I mean for a lot of people. I
mean for the Weasleys, it's kind of expensive. But yeah,
that seems like probably the cheapest he could make it.

Speaker 4 (02:11:56):
Thirty five pounds will last forever.

Speaker 1 (02:11:58):
Unless you're on Weasley.

Speaker 3 (02:11:59):
But yeah, maybe maybe he gets subsidies from the government.

Speaker 4 (02:12:03):
Well the one, the one that Ron broke, wasn't his,
but yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (02:12:08):
That's true, that's true. I do have to say though,
I also I kind of love the scene because I'm
kind of a sucker for like knick knacks and stuff.
When I go places or have like or or like
attend events or things that are like memories.

Speaker 1 (02:12:22):
Should see her collections.

Speaker 4 (02:12:25):
You should.

Speaker 3 (02:12:27):
I should also see the entire the entire little basket
I have just of like small plush from Disneyland because.

Speaker 4 (02:12:35):
I laughed at and immediately looked at that shelf over
there that has a lot of small little Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:12:42):
I just but but I usually I get things that
I associate with a certain memory, and so I definitely
am the person who's like, oh, I have to find
something fun to associate with this quiddit trolled cup memory
and to like look at and remember that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
And and this is not a disparaging But I'm the
person and who's like, there's too much crap on this earth.
I'm not gonna buy any of it because it's all
just gonna fall apart and end up in a landfill. Goodbye.
I do try and not I do.

Speaker 3 (02:13:10):
I do try and not buy like crappy stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
I do try and buy like that is no judgment.
Everybody needs to have things in their life to make
them happy and fulfill them.

Speaker 5 (02:13:20):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (02:13:21):
This not, squirtle, Sorry, I know it was a Pokemon.
I just don't know the names because I'm an elder millennial.
I don't know those things.

Speaker 5 (02:13:32):
That was.

Speaker 3 (02:13:35):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a I have a Yeah. I'm also
just a very tangible person. Like I'm a very kinesthetic
person anyway, So I like having.

Speaker 1 (02:13:44):
They got up to get something.

Speaker 2 (02:13:47):
Sorry, Josh had a Bulbasar and it reminded me that
I met Bulbasar.

Speaker 1 (02:13:51):
You met Bulbosar, you can meet Pokemon.

Speaker 2 (02:13:53):
Yeah, that's right. And last year we had Gangar. Yeah,
the Pokemon in the anime. They have voice actors because
they may only say their names, but somebody still has
to record that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:03):
Oh okay, okay, if we're showing off our things.

Speaker 2 (02:14:07):
The video shaking hands with Gangar in character on our
convention TikTok is our most watched TikTok. It's been viewed
over seventy thousand times.

Speaker 4 (02:14:15):
Cat is like, I want to go to bed. Stop
showing me your stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:14:19):
No, no, if we're showing off stuff, I'll just point
to the thing that's behind me here yelling.

Speaker 4 (02:14:25):
From the movies. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:14:27):
I also thought it was funny that like everyone's pulling
out like plushies and pins and toys and I'm pulling
out autographs and I'm like, Ron dead up says he
wants to get this dude's autograph, buys a figure of him,
snaps the figure when the guy goes to a date,
goes on a date with his girlfriend, and then at
the end of the book is like, can I have
your autograph?

Speaker 1 (02:14:49):
Yeah? Alison? What am I looking at? Is that like
a kind of blanket You have to hold it closed us.

Speaker 5 (02:14:58):
This is.

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
This is a schwarmy nugget from.

Speaker 1 (02:15:04):
Uh it looks like it.

Speaker 3 (02:15:09):
Don't say that because I love the schwarmer from Avengers Campus,
but that's what it is. It's the schwarma from a
Vengers campus, which also was in the set with this
little guy. Little guy, I will say, I made some
of these in this basket, so I guess.

Speaker 1 (02:15:24):
Oh, I have some of the things you made on
my shelf too, but they're out of frame.

Speaker 2 (02:15:27):
I'll spare you guys the rest of my autograph collection
because we need to wrap it up.

Speaker 3 (02:15:32):
Yeah we do.

Speaker 5 (02:15:33):
See. Look.

Speaker 3 (02:15:33):
Oh look, speaking of Ubblenut, this is my little patronis
crochet I made.

Speaker 1 (02:15:37):
Oh that's maybe I've seen that. That is so cute.

Speaker 3 (02:15:42):
You had to it because I reviewed the crochet book
for me.

Speaker 1 (02:15:45):
Oh, well, you know what, maybe we'll commission you to
make a bunch of those for the for the Patrona's
book that's coming out next year.

Speaker 2 (02:15:51):
Oh that's so pretty.

Speaker 3 (02:15:53):
I don't know if I'm not good.

Speaker 1 (02:15:54):
Also took me a long time.

Speaker 5 (02:15:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:15:56):
Anyway, the gong is hit and they go to the
Quintish World Cup episode over.

Speaker 3 (02:16:02):
The paths to the stadium is lit and let's go
quid it.

Speaker 2 (02:16:05):
Yeah that's literally, that's like the last words of the book.
Come on, let's go. So in that same spirit, let's
go and wrap up this episode.

Speaker 4 (02:16:15):
It's been and a half hours. I have so many
things I wanted to talk about. I don't know how long.
Well were you gonna talk about I wanted to talk
about like expanding the house because they could expand the tents.

Speaker 1 (02:16:28):
I wanted like it I had I brought that up, man,
I know, like, it's it.

Speaker 5 (02:16:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:16:36):
This one flew by. It's nuts, that's all. Just we
can move on.

Speaker 1 (02:16:40):
I'm like, it's just like you.

Speaker 4 (02:16:44):
I can't believe we talked for two and a half hours.

Speaker 3 (02:16:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:16:48):
It did go very quickly, especially because it's pretty uneventful chapter.

Speaker 4 (02:16:54):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:16:55):
Yeah, how did we pull this much information out of it?

Speaker 3 (02:16:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:16:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:17:00):
I don't either, but this is what we do, and
it's what we'll do on our next episode, which will
be a chapter revisit of Chamber of Secrets chapter fourteen Cornelius.

Speaker 1 (02:17:10):
What a jump after this chapter from Bagmen and Crouch
to Fudge and also a circle book. We're going back
to Chamber you oh, now we're all dancing.

Speaker 5 (02:17:23):
I like it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:24):
I've been dancing the whole episode. Am I kidding? I'm
punch drunk. I would should have been about a half
an hour ago.

Speaker 2 (02:17:30):
Is in the episode before this, we were talking about
the high Inquisitor on Bridge. This time we were talking
about Bagmen and Crouch a lot more fun, And in
the next one we're talking about Cornelius Fudge jerk.

Speaker 5 (02:17:43):
You know? So do we do? We?

Speaker 4 (02:17:48):
What?

Speaker 2 (02:17:49):
I know?

Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
I have so much fun on this show, but like,
so many of these chapters are so dark and so heavy,
and so like, when are we going to talk about
something fun?

Speaker 2 (02:18:01):
I want to? I don't, I don't know, you leader,
when are we going to talk about something fun?

Speaker 3 (02:18:09):
We just did for you and a half hours.

Speaker 1 (02:18:12):
I suppose I suppose you're right.

Speaker 3 (02:18:15):
No, anyway, we made the mistake of doing all the
fun chapters earlier.

Speaker 1 (02:18:20):
Oh, is that it okay? Now we're just left with
the grappi type chapters.

Speaker 4 (02:18:24):
Got it.

Speaker 2 (02:18:27):
So, while you're catching up on us not talking about
fun chapters and looking forward to us apparently not talking
about fun chapters in the future, you can also follow
us on pretty much any social media outlet at a
looko Mora MN, or on Facebook at Open the Dumbledore
and don't forget to subscribe, save and share this episode

(02:18:49):
with your friends in The.

Speaker 1 (02:18:50):
Good news is there are four hundred and fifty two
other episodes that are probably fun for you to listen to,
and that they're all fun.

Speaker 5 (02:18:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:18:59):
So all right, I'm gonna wrap this up. Friends. This
has been episode fifty three of the final one hundred.

Speaker 4 (02:19:06):
I'm Kat, I'm Josh, I'm Jeff.

Speaker 3 (02:19:09):
And I'm Alison. Thank you for listening to episode four
hundred and fifty three of Aloha Mora. Always the same,
We can't help but open the double door whenever we're together.

(02:19:32):
Aloha Mora is produced by Tracy Dunstan. This episode was
edited by Katherine Lewis. Aloha Mora was co created by
Noah Freed and Kat Miller and is brought to you
by ap WBD LLC. Gosh, dang it, I had such

(02:20:00):
a good way of doing this earlier, and I have
totally forgot what it was.

Speaker 1 (02:20:04):
Was it the slug and Kevin?

Speaker 3 (02:20:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:20:06):
That's the first thing that to think of.

Speaker 4 (02:20:08):
Was it was?

Speaker 5 (02:20:09):
It?

Speaker 2 (02:20:10):
Always the same. We can't resist opening the dumble door
when we get together.

Speaker 1 (02:20:14):
No, but that is good. That one is really good. Actually, okay,
we're gonna have to do that one.

Speaker 3 (02:20:21):
Okay, it's really good. Always the same, we can't resist
opening the dumbledore when we'll im so tired.

Speaker 1 (02:20:32):
Dude, it is six thirty for you.

Speaker 3 (02:20:35):
I'm exhausted. I haven't slept much.

Speaker 1 (02:20:39):
All good, Alsopy, that'll help you sluck.

Speaker 4 (02:20:44):
That's what she said.

Speaker 3 (02:20:54):
Can we do this outro?

Speaker 2 (02:20:56):
I don't know, can't?

Speaker 4 (02:20:57):
Can we knew it?

Speaker 5 (02:21:00):
Of it?

Speaker 1 (02:21:01):
No one looked at her.

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