HBP, 25 Revisit: Is It Trauma?

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
This is episode four hundred and fifty nine of a
lookal Mora for July fifth, twenty twenty five. Hello everyone,

(00:38):
and welcome to another episode of Aloha Mora, the fandom's
original Harry Potter book Club. I'm Kat Miller, I'm Jeff Hutton,
and I'm Alison Siggard.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
And this week we are joined by our guest Lauren,
who is also known as incorrect Harry Potter. Welcome, Lauren.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
I have you.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It. I have to know what platform it's on, though,
because when I saw that correct something, my mind just
goes to tumblrs.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Oh no, that's and that's what inspired it is. I
was a tumbler girl and I saw that was back
when it was like incorrect Marvel incorrect, like yeah, and
so I was like, what if I just did this
for my addiction? And so then I just got it
and put it on everything.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
I must have missed that trend because I thought I
was up on all the like trends in social media names,
but just incorrect Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
That was like the twenty tens where it was like
you'd put quotes from different things, but you give it
like a different fandoms characters, So how do you describe it?
I don't know. I feel like you just have to
see it.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
It's like, yeah, like a quote from something, so like
we'll always have Paris from Casablanca. But then it's like
serious to Ramus Lupin. So you're just like you give
it to different people and you're like incorrect and you
just connotated to some other fandom.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
That was such a good reference.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
I love it that And this is like people aren't
doing this anymore, like this this is coming gone already.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
It's not like it used to be.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
You well, what is honestly?

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Yeah. One of my favorites was always the cold Open
from Parks and rec with the broken coffee pot and
they go through they're like they're like accusing each other,
and you could put in like every single fandom and
it fits everybody, like you could find somebody every.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
Great I did it.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I broke it.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
No you didn't. How do you know it's broken because
I'm looking at it.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
And it's suspicious.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Son has been very quiet lately.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Really, it burned my hand, so I punched it. Yeah,
every fandom has that character. It burned my hand, so
I punched it. They all have at least one like that.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
It's amazing, Lauren, the fact that you could recite that
like you are gonna fit.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
You are.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
You are the perfect I found here us today. You're perfect.
You have found your people.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Tell us a little bit about you, though, tell us
your house and your other Harry Potter information. How you
got into Harry Potter all this?

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Oh my goodness, Well it all started when I was
but a wee lass, a proud Slytherin. Let's just get
that out of the way. And so, you know, just
destined for evil from a young age. And I was seven.
I saw the first movie. I was like, this is everything,
and I fell asleep to it every night for at
least a year. So you had little seven year old

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meet quoting the whole movie, every single line. I could
recite the whole thing from front to back. And then
I was like, what if I made this my personality?
And I got older and you know, read all the
books and watched the movies, and then social media became
a thing and I was like, there wasn't enough Harry
Potter on it for me. This is I got on

(03:53):
TikTok back before the pandemic, so no one was on
there really, and so I was like, I'm going to
dive into this little niche and make my home here.
And then after that I kind of just expanded out
and did it everywhere. And it's just like Hogwarts is
my happy go to place when I'm just like overwhelmed
with the world. I just read the books or crack
open a fan fiction and just dive in.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I love that. So you're a nineties baby.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
I am a nineties girly nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Okay, you're close to me.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
Look at us. How's your trauma doing? Great?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Amazing?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
With Lauren here repping Slytherin, we have a full house today,
which is really exciting.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Full set, a full house of four houses as it were.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I feel like it's always special. I don't know, there's
always some sort of extra special podcast magic that happens
when we have all four houses repped. So I think
it's going to be a fun one today.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I also have heard that apparently I'm the only pro
Snape girly here and I'm the only anti Dumbledore girly here,
so it's gonna get interesting.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
I don't know about anti.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Dumbledore, but probably pro Snape. I think you're right on
this panel. Yeah, yeah, on this panel, not on the pod,
but out of the three of us, for sure, it'll
be a good one. It'll be a good one.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
And knowing what side of the Snape and Dumbledore debates
were on is important because today's chapter is half flood
Prints chapter twenty five the Seer overheard, and originally this
was we discussed this on episode one Peeping through the
Whole from June twenty fifteen, oh, almost exactly a decade ago,

(05:40):
and that was host Caleb and me and Kristen and
our fan host Shanna.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Definitely, it's wild when that happens, when it like falls
on some weird exact date or something. Yeah, I'm rarely
on June episode since I'm like my birthdays in June,
so that's probably why.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
Use what day June.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Twenty first, Oh, I'm the fifteenth look at us, just
past happy, belated to you, happy.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Related to you as well, and be also with you.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yes, under his eye yes.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
And with your spirit. Now, before we get into our
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you hate each other. It's because it's just so much
fun to argue with them, not that that ever happens.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
It's because you mutually hate Hagrid. Is that why?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yes? Absolutely sounds because everyone has the same opinions of Hagrid.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
It sounds like the kind of person you would spend
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Speaker 1 (08:03):
Thank you everybody. Yay, and thank you Bianca, You're the
best millennial hand heart. Thanks.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
We don't do the weird gen Z one.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Forget that, get that so many labels today.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's fine, gen Z, thanks for crazy for making this
our personality.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
So I mean, if I wanted to see this labels,
I'd go shopping at Sacks Fifth Avenue.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
It's too late now to worry about our personality.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
It's already it's already cemented in at this point.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, they're baked in. They're not changing, all right. A
little chapter summary reaction. Here we go three times?

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Should do it? Chapter revisit.

Speaker 4 (08:51):
If I tell you to hide, will you do so? Yes?
Chapter twenty five. If I tell you to flee, will
you obey? Yes? The SIEA have heard.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
If I tell you to.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Leave me, i'd save yourself.

Speaker 4 (09:08):
You will do as I tell you.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yes, sir, Harry and Jenny are officially a couple, and
all is right in the world, well at least for
a little bit. Time passes quickly in this chapter, and
before we know it, it is the end of June
and Harry is being summoned to Dumbledore's office. He suspects
they're going to hunt a horcres together, and while musing
as he walks, his thoughts are disturbed by a commotion.
He rounds the corner to find Trelawney has been accosted

(09:32):
by quote someone coming out of the Room of Requirement
as she was trying to enter. She too has Dumbledore
on her mind and spills secrets she definitely should not
have been spelling, though to be fair, she didn't know
they were secrets. Harry insists they go see Dumbledore together,
but as he pieces the mystery of it all, he
forces her to stay in the hallway and goes to
see Dumbledore alone together. After Dumbledore shuts Harry down and

(09:56):
tells him to shut the f up about snape already,
Harry grabs his cl and he and Dumbledore operate into
the darkness. Who I thought it's a fun chapter? Say
what I thought?

Speaker 4 (10:06):
You were gonna say the F word.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
No.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
First off, we are a clean podcast, and Allison is here.
I can't swear in front of her. I try not
to anyway, since when since always she's for a long time.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I don't remember that being part of my contract when
I signed on to do this.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Oh, it's not part of your contract. It's okay, it's
just part of ours, that's all. But this is a
fun one because we do actually finally, just in the
last chapter, Harry and Jenny finally have their kiss and
they're together. Alison's very happy about that.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
It's a good moment.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
It is.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
It's very cute in the book because.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Listen, we don't talk about the half Flood Prince movie
when I'm on because I will go off anyway. No,
it's great and and I love it. And it screwed
me up forever because it made me think that your
childhood crushed could one day come true.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Oh yeah, especially childhood crush on a famous boy.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yeah yeah, No, the boy that you were creepy around
when you were a child and then just stalked eventually
would see you. Yeah, that's not what happens. I'm confused.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
She's not entirely creepy. I don't think she's just.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Young, but a wee last she was a little creepy.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
It's cringe.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
It's the way that is like very naive and innocent.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, you don't think children are creepy. Children are creepy
all the time.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
They absolutely can be yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Absolutely
children can be creepy. And it's just Ginny's thing with Harry,
especially up to because she really wasn't doing it in
the book before this one. It was really just it
even really wasn't even happening in Goblet of Fire. It
was just more the first it was like the first

(12:03):
three books, it was cringe, but it wasn't creepy because
it was for some people probably kind of relatable, but
it really wasn't inappropriate and it was basically harmless.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Well, and there's also the fact that she's his best
friend's little sister. Is that connection there, and so you know,
and she tells him at the end of this book, right,
she says Hermione told me to calm down, basically, like
if you really want things to happen, you got to
calm down, and you gotta you know, be yourself a

(12:37):
little bit more so it works.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Kudos to Hermione for having a level head. We do
though about that one.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Also, kudos to the person who really doesn't date at all,
having so much advice and opinions about other people's dating.
Good job, Hermione.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Hey, she's read books about dating. She knows it's true.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You could do a lot through observation. I say this
personal experience.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Hey, Steve Carell did a very underrated movie about that,
where he was a relationship expert columnist who had a
failed marriage and three daughters to take care of. That's
Hermione's future movie was that? Yeah, Danning real life. It's
the one where the movie posters him with his head
resting to stack of pancakes.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, okay, I did say that.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
You're right.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's just been a minute and I remember it being depressing.
So we do though.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
And I thought of this because we were just talking
about this on the last episode. But we get another
one of these very nineties two thousand's tricky like feminism,
girl and girl not like other girls. Things in the narration,

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specifically when the narrator kind of mocks that Harry and
Jenny's relationship is of interest to a lot of people
quote most of them girls, And then we get Ginny's
dialogue when she's reading the paper and they you know,
and she's like, why don't people care about what's really
going on? Why do people only care about our relationship?

Speaker 4 (14:09):
You know?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah. Yeah, It's one of those things again where it's
like it wouldn't be written that way today, But that
was just the pop culture prevalence of the time when
these were written.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
If they had, if they had paps in the Wizarding World,
they'd be on the cover of Hello magazine or whatever.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
They've been a lot of girl on girl stuff that
going hindsight in the series. I mean, there just wouldn't
have been a fuch like Missus Weasley is so mean
to Floor and hermony so many times I was like, see,
it's so sweet. It's like, do we remember when she
bullied literal teenagers? Like I think there's definitely my har
Part's not always the most feminist book, I would say,

(14:52):
well again.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Because it's part partially it's it's it's a product of
its time in a lot of ways too, right, But
it did. I mean, like we talked about it on
our last episode, it laid the groundwork for some things
that would get better in especially in kid lit after it.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Nony, a character in and of herself in the book,
is a very strong female character, and so it's Hermione,
and they both are very you know who they are.
They're not trying to fit in or anything. And I
think that was a source of inspiration for a lot
of us nineties girls like reading it and I'm like, oh
my gosh, we can be smart, we can be like,
you know, outgoing, or be a jock like Ginny was.

(15:31):
And so I think the characters are there, there's a
good foundation there. It's just not always perfect.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, yeah, sure. Though I also laughed a little bit
because this conversation is very like typical teenager because who
is dating who? My friends? That is the hottest of teas,
especially when you're a teenager. It is. It is quite
the thing, and it's very funny to listen to them

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talk about it, because it's funny.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Allison's teacher.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
I am.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yes, I work with kids too when I'm not on
the Internet for a living, and they literally talk about
gossip when they were five feet away from you and
think that you can't hear for some reason.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
It's very funny and.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
You're just like, no, I'm going to actually pretend I
didn't hear that, and I'm going to pretend that there
is a bubble and a cone of silence around you
because I'm traumatized.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
And then sometimes I can't help it and I start
laughing and then they look and they realize I've been listening.
But then they keep talking and I'm like, all right,
keep handing it over.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
One of my pet peeves about like movies and TV
shows is when two characters are like hiding in a
room because there's somebody in there who's not supposed to
hear them, and they're whispering so loudly, like I could
hear you clearly from across the football stadium. You're talking
so loud right now.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
It's movie magic.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, I hate it. I hate it. Just be realistic,
it's true, realistic. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Something I don't hate, though, is that Harry is so
just like normally happy in this moment, which is nice because,
especially in these later books.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
He doesn't get a lot of no, the serotonin that
he's experiencing. He's like, what is this and why haven't
I had it my whole life?

Speaker 4 (17:07):
He doesn't get it for all that long, like it's
kind of it's almost it feels like it feels like
they were gonna do a montage, but then they decided
not to write it because it talks about how Harry
is supposed to be concentrating on this thing, but instead
he's really he's reminiscing about a particularly happy, sun filled
moment with Ginny that he enjoyed on the grounds that

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we're not going to see. We're just gonna mention it
in passing, and we're supposed to think, Wait, how long
have they actually, like, how long has been between the
last chapter and this one? Like a few weeks?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
A few weeks, I don't know, let me see, I'm looking.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
It's a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
No, it's longer than you think. So Gryffindor wins the
quidditch match and Harry and Jenny first kiss on May tenth,
nineteen ninety seven, Okay, and then Dumbledore is dead on
June thirtieth, which is when.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's been like two months.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
So it's been like a month.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
The beginning of the chapter, it's not that long, but
once we get to the end of the chapter, it's
been like six weeks.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, and he's alsalty about detention, because he's like, that's
time of I could be with Jinny.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
Oh yeah, we're gonna talk about that.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Somewhere else right now.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Speaking of things somewhere else, this tattoo conversation, he's like, godic,
it's so bad funny.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
It's my favorite example of this, because this comes up
a few times throughout the series, is when we get
further into the books, the jokes become more adult, and like,
the best example of it that I can think of
is any time they draw attention to a private area

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and then they stop just short of actually saying what
it is, like when somebody like Bill brings hair his
money from the bank and says that somebody had a
probity probe stuck up there. Huh, well, this was easier.
Or in the next book, when Fred's talking about how
great Uncle Albi or whoever it is, would run out

(19:12):
onto the dance floor after drinking a whole thing of
fire whiskey, hoist up his robes and start pulling flowers
out of his Yes, he sounds like a real charmer.
Hermione chimes in, but in this case we don't even
actually almost say it, would just say, oh, I said
he had a pigmy puff tattoo, but I didn't say
where it was. It's so naughty. Okay, first of all,

(19:35):
who is giving these teenagers all? Are there tattoo charms?
Because if there's tattoo charms, I want to know what
they are because I don't have enough of them.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
So yeah, i'd seem that they have like not only
tattoo charms, but that they could have moving tattoos as well,
like interactive tattoos.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Well though, oh gosh.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Can you imagine if you woke up and your tattoo
ran away because it was mad at you? So it's
like hiding under your arm or something.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
And you're like, what trauma?

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Like, it's like the Maui. It's like the little Maui
tattoo from Moana, Like it has a personality and it
becomes your best friend. It's like, I don't have a
patronis I don't have a I don't have an animodis form,
but I got this little hippogriff tattoo that runs across
my chest.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
But one I like is the idea that there's like
a golden snitch tattoo that can roam around your body
and just fly around.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
It'll just look like a really suspicious mole and like
you're like, wait, do I have a Oh no, wait
it moved again.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Now you want to talk about a joke adult books
in the series or adult jokes in the series, like
that snitch tattoo, like hide and seek, Baby, we're gonna.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Fight it, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
See we're go to the Room of Requirement.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh yeah, you go out on a nice romantic evening
and you run into somebody, you hit it up, you know,
and the three broomsticks and then you're like, hey, you
want to come back to my room and play find
the Snitch? Wait?

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Wait, but but confirm for me. Does the dark mark
actually move in the books or is that a movie as.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
It doesn't move like in the sense that it moves around,
but it does kind of look like it's It's like, yeah,
it's like it's agitated by their It's like, yeah, it
moves like the snake tongue kind of you know, it
kind of waves a little bit, but it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Actually I don't know if that's in the book or
it's just like book it for sure.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I know it changes, it gets dark.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
I know that it changes shade based on how long
that person is taking to respond to their master's call.
It can get more agitate dark.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Calls, it gets it goes like completely black.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, so it's a matter of like like when you
first call on that, if you like don't call, then
it gets like just more and more intense. But I
don't know if it moves. I know canonically it does
change and at least shade, it's not color.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, I'm just getting a quick glance a little at
the lexicon. I don't think it does. I think that's
a movie.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yeah, I know that it changes gone in that it
also burns. That is my knowledge.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, there's no reference on here to anything moving or
shifting as.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
The resident's slytherin here in my knowledge of investigating the
dark mark, and also just it burns and gets progressively
more painful if you don't answer. And that's why they're
always like, that's why they're like, well, why did they
just not go to the d meetings. It's like, well,
it's incredibly painful to not heed the call.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
Well, if you don't take care of tattoos, that's what
happens to them too.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Oh look at that, I will say, though your your note,
Jeff about how they like get close to saying like
naughty body parts and then cut off. I think that
might be just a very like British humor in some ways,
because especially in like older kind of ya stuff to
some degree, because I've read a couple British books, I

(22:55):
was just reading a different one and the same thing happens,
and like I've seen in interviews and things too, like
like on chat shows and whatnot. So I think that
is just very to some degree like British humor is
to not directly reference something, but to like just allude
to it and then everybody's just in on the joke anyway.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah, you know now that you think now that you
say that, Graham Norton like doesn't often like call out
the very specific thing. He'll sort of be like, you know,
like make a face or be like mmm mmm mmmm.
So you're right, maybe that is like a British thing.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I think it is. I think it's it's that combination
of like trying to be proper but also just like
a certain sense of humor, and so they've just confused.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
I feel like the only brit who would call it
out is Miriam Margali, so well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
But when.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Show, they have to bleep a lot of the things
that she says, yeah, yeap.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
So they also talk about in this conversation because Ron
says he's given quote his permission. I know, it's it's
kind of gross, and I with Ginny, but I was
thinking about it, and I was like, but this is
kind of what Harry's been kind of worried about all

(24:17):
throughout the rest of this book. Right, it's bad phrasing regardless, Right,
he doesn't own Ginny. He shouldn't have phrased it like that.
But the fact that he's on board with them really
kind of ties up that question that we had throughout
the rest of the book of Harry being like, I

(24:38):
can't like Ginny. She's Ron's little sister, you know. And
so there's that kind of very bad phrasing in tying
up this plot thread and kind of moving us forward
in that it's bad phrasing, though.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
No, it's like also it's like, well you would rather
it's Harry than Dean or anywhe else. I'm like, okay,
can we can we relax?

Speaker 4 (25:00):
Like okay?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, And like I do think it is something where
you know, Harry does like that brotherly approval because they
are like a family to him, and so there is
part of Roun that likes that Harry would be his
official brother. I do think there is a part of
him there that was like, okay, but then obviously I
don't want to think too deep into that because it's like, oh,
if they were like a family to Harry, why does
he have a crush of his sister Jitdy Like it's

(25:20):
just like you have to like there's there are a lots,
there are layers to it.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
And you know what, I'm gonna be that person. Why
Why Why rather Harry than Dean? What's wrong with Dean?
Dean's a nice guy, He's got talent, Yeah, he does that.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Artistic, Yeah, he's artistic, shows up.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah. I think it's a general distrust of men in general,
which honestly good on Ron's part because men. But I
think that it was just like, oh, I know Harry,
I know what makes him tick, I know his thing,
whereas Dean I don't know him as well. He is
a boy, he's.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Deep, is there not?

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Men?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
They are boys are still.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Day and it's a little hard to tell.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, but coming from experience, especially if you've got a
family like the Weasleys where they're all pretty close knit, right,
And I mean I have three siblings, and every time
somebody new comes in, like a sibling got married, there
is an adjustment period where you're like, who are you right?
And like why are you upsetting the dynamics of my

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entire family?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
You know?

Speaker 2 (26:25):
And so I feel like to some degree, that's probably
what Ron is thinking. Like Harry is already kind of
part of the family that doesn't change the dynamic too much.
Somebody else changes the dynamic too much for Ron. Ron
is very much, in a lot of ways a creature
of habit, right, Like he he gets this from Molly,
where he's like, I like my Space, I like my things,

(26:47):
how I like them, don't.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Disrupt kind of YI.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
So, yeah, I think that's more what it is.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
Valid. Yeah, Harry's hair, he's already grandfathered into the Weasley family,
And it would be a little bit awkward maybe if
Genny had gone with Dean and Harry and Jenny had
not ended up together with Harry having a crush on Jenny, granted,
But to kind of swing it back to why not
Dean for just a second, Dean has lived with Harry

(27:19):
and Ron more than he has not, for he has
lived in the same space as Harry and Ron for
nine out of twelve months for the past six years.
So if the question was better Ron than Michael, fine,
But why pick on Dean?

Speaker 2 (27:40):
He knows Dean mate isn't the same as being like
your best friend.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
That's still right.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Because Harry's been to their house.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
That's not a point against Dean. That's a point for Harry.
That's not my question. My question is why not Dean,
not why Harry.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Maybe Ron wanted to date Harry and he's like, this
is as close as I'll ever get.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
You know, I've read that fan fiction and I don't
hate it.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I mean, I still think the point still stands that
because being a roommate is a different relationship than being
best friends with someone.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yeah, I mean. And also he is just like a
stupid teenage boy. Maybe he doesn't even realize why he
said that.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
They they are all stupid teenage boys. It just comes
in twenty three different flavors.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Think about all the dumb things you probably said as
a kid, I don't want it and still say as
an adult, like we all say dumb.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
I'm actually perfect. I'm slitherin I've never.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Heard that you are the exception obviously.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Is that what peasants feel like.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's that's a perfect answer.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
That is what peasants feel like.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
It is it is documented on this show. I have
said it before, and then I will get off this issue,
but it is, it is documented on the show. I've
said it before that the reason I on Ron so
much is because Ron's behaviors remind me of my behaviors
as a teenager. So that's probably that's probably the real
reason why I'm saying all of this your trauma.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
You need to learn to forgive yourself, and when you
forgive yourself, you can forgive wrong.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
It's true.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
Well, thank goodness, you'll.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Get there, Jeff, You'll get there. You'll get there.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I also I laughed at the fact that Slughorn has
been commenting on as a teacher, I would never actually
say anything. However, it is amazing when you see kids
try to pair up and maybe when you're like, I'm

(29:46):
going to rearrange.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
The seating chair, but I would never like And also,
this just again might be me having high standard, but
I'm never going to let a child have worse grades
because they're I're sick. You gross? Yeah, do your work.
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
And why does Slughorn know about appropriate interactions with children?
He collects children. He specifically, he goes out of his
way to set up a hierarchy of which children are
better than the other children, and then he invites them
to Christmas parties with strange adults where alcohol is being served.

(30:22):
What he does Slughorn know about appropriate boundaries with children?
He's like almost Hagrid level with how inappropriate he is
with children.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
At the school, he saw j banging where there's like
the child collector, and he's like, I want to be
that when I grow up.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Oh, But also yes, that's a nightmare childhood like that.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
If we're talking about trauma, that is try.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
That's only funny when Kathy Nagenie says it. When everyone
else says that's gross, but it's funny when Kathy and
a Genie says it.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
He rebranded it Impulse because I'm not gonna lie. There
were two kids that I had last year that I
saw every year, like every day when I was leaving
school this year, like walking together in the parking lot,
and I was like, you guys are so cute, and
you're both so smart, and you grow so good kids.
You guys are cute. But I would never say it
is the thing.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, those are things we think but don't say, because
you can look at two young people who are obviously
enjoying each other's company and are very as Bambi once said,
Twitter painted with each other and go oh.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
One of my favorite words of all time.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Twitter paid Twitter. Yes, Yes, if we're going to bring
things back, let's start there.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I say it all the time and then people are like,
what did you just say. I'm like, you don't get it.
You're not of culture, you don't understand peasants. Yeah, well,
what can I do? You know?

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Speaking of an uncultured swine. Say yes, Laura.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Was not here to hear you say that.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
He is.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Please, I'd say it in front of Lorie.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
You used my bells against me.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Potter, Yes, he's one hundred percent the worst because he
is absolutely keeping Harry in detentions later, because he knows
it's keeping Harry from Ginny and Snape is a bitter,
jealous get who's mad about a Potter who's in love
with a pretty smart, redheaded girl.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
And and is that valid?

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, yeah, who cares.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
But he's the worst for being a full grown adult
absolutely doing this.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Is he a good person? No? But couldn't the war
have been one without him? One thousand percent?

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Not?

Speaker 3 (32:33):
No? Yeah, no, it shouldn't be bullying children. No, I'm
gonna go ahead and go with no on that one.
And I feel good in saying no on that one.
But also it's just like it's he adds so much
Jenna Saqua to the series. I just he's a fascinating character.
And also in this age of situationships and just like
what are we you knew where note stood? Okay, he

(32:53):
was like, I don't know that you're rejecting me, but
I'm gonna like just he was for the rest of life.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, And if we're gonna talk, if we're going to
talk about like inappropriate or inappropriate actions from teachers, and
we're going to ask ourselves hypothetical questions that are easy
to answer. Did Harry almost murder a classmate? Yes? Did
Snape save that child from being murdered in a bathroom?
He did? Does he have every right to drag this

(33:22):
punishment out so that Harry understands that he almost murdered
a child? Yes? So who cares? Who cares if he
has ulterior motives because Harry is dating Jinny? Who cares?
The fact remains, Harry almost murdered a classmate. So I
have no sympathy for Harry for this detention.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
I mean none, literally, no sympathy for Harry. But also,
can we just talk about how it's also too that
he's so mad that the person who found his book
and is like getting rewarded for that is Harry. He's like,
come on, of all the people who could have like
gotten my books and all that.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
It there, take the book, come you idiot.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Maybe he just he wanted to be found. He wanted
somebody to be like, Wow, this is so cool and
then like get obsessed with him and be like, oh
my gosh, did you read this book? And then yeah,
I did.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
I love when there's like the unconscious desire to be
caught or for somebody to like you. You jealously guard
your secrets, but like there's that like just slightly dark
part of you that's like, but what if they found
me out? Like this is what found me exactly? Like
what if I was suddenly exposed? And I mean we're

(34:32):
talking about a book with spells written in it here,
not something worse than that, right.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
But also the thing is she was like he didn't
want to sell those spells or like make money off
of it, because some of those he wanted Baltimore to
think like, oh, oh I made this spell for you.
I did this for you. So he's not like he
wanted to profit off of it, Like he just wanted
someone to find it to be like, oh my gosh,
good job.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
You know what if he had had if he looked
a little different, he had a lot more charisma and
better friends. Like basically, if somebody could help Snape rebrand
him himself. This is a hot take that I've just
come up with. Snape could have been what Gilderoy Lockhart
wanted people to think he was. Yeah, he could have

(35:10):
been a real Gilderoy Lockhart. He could have been out
there using this stuff to ac compas real things. He
could have written about it in books. But he looks
the way he looks, and he lives the way.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
He lives, well, how he looks is freaking hot. So
let's just put that out.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
There when Alan Rickman does it. Yeah, but if we're
going by book Snape, no.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Listen, I'm sorry. We could also say that Adam Driver
is a canonical book snape and both of guess what.
Less competition then, so I am happy to stand here.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
You take him. He's all yours.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Adam Driver is talented and whatever, but he is.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Not God bless America, you know what? And I love
this for me.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
I'm a nick Offerman kind of person like that.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
I have no My type is like, look like you
could murder me, but then like red Mee a bedtime story.
You know, I want a little bit of layers.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
This is the best conversation we've had in a long.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Time, just because my type is pretty boys I've been so.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
You know, you're like a zach Efron girl.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Let me guess Timothy Shallow is in everything and you're
fine with that?

Speaker 2 (36:24):
No, Timothy, No, next listen.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Would you have had a crush on Lockhart? That's what
we need to know.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
No, probably not.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
I used to have a crush on Kenneth Brnoff. Then
I found out he was gross, and I'm like, no, that.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
He cheated on freaking tray Wannie with belity. But because men,
because he's a man, because.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Men correct, speaking of men, what's next?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
On the notes?

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Not me.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Well, you're not a man, correct, We're not a man?

Speaker 4 (36:58):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Are not speaking of you?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Harry is still sticking up for the book and for
the half flood Prince, even after said sectum soumpra incident,
which I was like, Wow, this is really just a
nice little microcosm example of how difficult it really is
for people to change their minds or to give up
something they once loved. Right, Because Harry knows this is bad, right,

(37:26):
he knows this is bad. He knows this was not good.
He knows he needed to get rid of the book.
But he also like misses it, right, And he also
was like, man, everything, like things have gotten worse for
me since this, And so I'm just like, is this
a good thing or a bad thing? This element of
human nature?

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Is this an allegory for the Harry Potter series and
the author? No, not at all, not even remotely. I mean, yes,
too real it is.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
Let's go swash tattoos.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
There are differences, I.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Think, yes, but but I mean, I mean your specific
point about how difficult it is for people to change
in their minds and to give up on something they
once loved. Like we are still here doing this podcast
even though there's all the things out there because we
cannot give up on something that we love because of her.
We can reject her and her harmful bs, but like

(38:26):
we're still here.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Well, ronaldso makes the point. Yeah, Ron's like, I'm alive
because of that.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Listen, can we make something? I add two points to
this because I'm very passionate about this, the first part
being to address what you're saying about giving up something
that's bad for us. Let's remember that Harry is going
through it all the time. You've fund something that makes
his life easier. Okay, So He's like, if I can
take one like kind of cheat code in this one class,
can I have this? Could I literally have this? So

(38:54):
I think that's part of it. It's like a little breather.
But the Bezor thing, with the whole thing with they're like, oh,
you know the Prince's bed. It's like, okay, but the
bees Or could literally be life saving in so many situations.
Going off the whole thing of Oh, Snape could have
been a very rich, successful, famous wizard in another life.
And I'm going to go on a tangent because Snape
is my favorite character of all time. I don't think

(39:16):
he died for this reason, because you're telling me that
a man who works hand in hand next to a
huge snake isn't going to have a blood replenishing bees
or in his pocket at all times. For this exact
situation of when he was on a sorry, he would
have added a blood replenishing. He would have like adapted

(39:38):
the bees or for anti ven and properties and blood replenishing,
because he knew if he got attacked by the Ghini
that there's gonna be a blood situation. He would have
been prepared for that. And then they don't find his body.
It's not added to the Great Hall, it's never mentioned again,
and his portraits not put it in the same time,
and that it would have been if he was unalived
in that general thing. So all of that doesn't add up.
And then it's like, what if he just faked his

(39:59):
dead and went out to live his life. He's like,
I've been a slave to two masters for decades. I'm
ready to go live my life. No one talked to me.
I'm zooming out. And that's my theory, and that's what
I live by.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Love it.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
What I love about what you just said is that
it brought up something I never thought about till now,
and now I'll never be able to stop thinking about it,
and that is the contents of several snapes pockets must
be so interesting because you know, wizard robes have got
all those extra pockets for all those things. He is
a death eater and a potions master and just an

(40:33):
all around like wizard who is better at magic then
people probably give him credit for. And I just kind
of figured this guy must have the most like if
you asked him to turn out his pockets, he would
have to have the most interesting stuff in his body.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
And he also is the only other wizard other than
Boldimore who knows how to fly without a broom, And
the argument can be made that he's the one who
taught Baltimore how to do that.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
And if you remember all the conversations we've had about
do you take the things that are in your pockets
with you when you die, Snape is probably thinking of
that because he knows he's gonna die, So what cool
and fun stuff did he put in his pockets so
he could take it to the afterlife with him? Sure
that mostly is a ghost conversation, but maybe it's also

(41:19):
applicable like when you just leave.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I don't think it is, though, because Harry wakes up
naked in King's Cross.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
Well, but there's also the argument that the King's Cross
wasn't an actual afterlife and it was a more of
like a well it's.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
A way station.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah, the positive purgatory.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
I saw this thing where it was like it was
a theory that it was almost like a group hallucination,
where it was just something that was created for him
to figure out what could have happened if you chose
a different thing. And then it was like just like
a thing that happened him when he died, and it
wasn't his actual purgatory. And so who knows, or maybe
there's different rules for different ghosts. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Isn't it sad? You know what I think about? And
this is a tangent sort of But the thing that
makes me the saddest about all of the stuff that
I was referencing with the author is all the other
stories that we will never get, or if we do get,
we can't be excited about because like I want a

(42:18):
midnight sun of that chapter of The King's Cross. Chapter
from Voltemore's point of view, like I want to know
what happened there and other things I'd read it, which
makes me sad, like I want I I want to
know that, but but like wizards pooping in the streets,
I don't know that I would trust.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
So crazy what I read this. I thought that was crazy.
Wizards did useless. It is basturd poop and did it wherever.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Okay, listen, I still don't understand why people are freaking
out about that, because that is like, literally what happened
in the Middle Ages.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
It was Yes, you're right, I know.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
That's why they had like their little like uh, their
pants lose, just had a hole down the middle so
they could just do their business.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah, no, you're right. They totally did do that. I
think the fact that somebody like glombed onto it and
made it a big deal is what's funny. I wasn't
calling it out because I think it's ridiculous. I'm calling
it out because I think it's hilarious that it's just
a random like yeah, it's like, why why did you
call why did you call that out?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Like?

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Why is that the thing you put on Potter Mark?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
The things that we just get after the series are
done It's like when she's like when all the books
are oh Doubledo's gate what okay? But at least in
Fantastic Beasts, we saw a little bit more like okay,
that checks out a little bit now, But like to
just say things after the series is out, like where
do we draw the line? Are we just saying things now?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
I mean, but that's speaking as a writer myself. All
writers do that, right, All writers know crazy things that
they've thought of that don't actually make it on the page.
And sometimes you forget, I think, what actually makes it
on the page, and you're like, oh, yeah, this character
is and everyone's like huh and you're like, oh, yeah,
forgot that didn't actually come out.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Sorry it was between the lines. You didn't read that part.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Sorry that that was a different draft we forgot about.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
That's my that.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
I'm still just mad that Jude Law didn't kiss Mad's Michelson,
because I know he would have did it if they
had asked him to.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
I'm surprisident either, he said.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
They both said they would have did it, but they
didn't ask That was their chance.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
The franchise dog that would thee.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Now, oh please, they had that creepy like a mirror
of aerosaid scene that was sensual.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
I thought it was cute.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
It was a little sensual.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Circling us back to Allison's actual question, is it a
good thing or a bad thing that Harry is sticking
up for the book?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I wouldn't have it you, Yeah, if you, if you
reframe it, I'm thinking of this kind of reframing it.
I think it actually is very interesting lesson now for
all of us that you can acknowledge both the good
and the bad parts of things. Right, Harry can acknowledge
that he learned a lot from the Half Blood Prince's book, right,

(44:59):
he saved her on life from it. He also used
a very terrible spell he didn't know about, right, And
and that's almost a metaphor for Snape himself, as like,
and how Harry ces Snape himself? Right of, I hate him,
I have to acknowledge the good he did, though, And
so that's kind of I mean, it's kind of the
same thing, right, It's it's almost a mature, nuanced way

(45:21):
of nuanced thing people don't understand of looking at things,
right of, like you can accept the good and also
criticize the bad at the same time.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, and there's this quote here
too that I pulled out because you know, like we're
at the point where the hints are being dropped left,
right and center about who they have blood Prince is
right and Hermione brings up the whole Aileen Prince thing.
We'll talk about that in a second, but this but no,

(45:51):
let's talk about that first. Let's talk about Aileen Prince first,
because Yeah, first off, I want to say that I
think it is like convenient is maybe the word did
harmony figure that out? Like, listen, she is smart, obviously,
she has already told us that she is not logical,
like not I mean that she's like good at logic,

(46:13):
but like it that just feels too obscure, like how
did you make that jump.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Of all the students from all the years to find
that one with the last name Prince.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I will say she has been looking into this since
like September, so she's she's done quite a bit of research.
She probably cross referenced like what year the book was published,
so who would have like bought it at that time?
Blah blah blah blah. You know, it is a little convenient.
It very much is like we need this for the plot.

(46:49):
So this is how we're putting this in for the plot, which.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Like which I mean, but the book being published. A
lot of these books were have been used at Hogwarts
for hundreds of years. Yeah, so the publishing, but that.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Particular cap Usually it'll say in a copy of a book, like.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
When that book Okay, So I didn't know that applied
the hard edition of the book. I thought they were
like fifteen hundred here you go. I don't I don't know. Well,
I guess that's true because they are buying them from
you know, diagon Alley, so that would make sense. My
thing is so like, it is possible that she was
just looking through every student, like okay, let's just see
if anyone was really good at potions and so it's possible, yeah,

(47:24):
I mean, and.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It probably lined up because the chance that this book
was it was a hand me down from his mom,
from Snape's mom is high.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
That's what I've always believed, is that he was going
off with some of hers as well. It was like
a combination of discovery.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
She taught him some stuff.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Apparently on the original episode we talked about Irma Pince
and how like that almost spells I'm a prince. Oh yeah,
which is.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
Veryd I purns.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Yeah. I literally when I was typing this, I mistyped
it and I wrote, Eileen pince actually.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
And I mean that's the bond that he had with
his mom as a potion maker was really sweet because
obviously his dad was garbage and so the only connection
he really had to parenting was his mom, and so hiding,
you know, where they felt safe was probably potions and
magic and like that was their escapism. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Well, and I wanted to ask you, folks, do you
think Snape actually was, as Hermione puts it, quote proud
of being half a prince because of everything. Lauren just said, yeah,
you're shaking your head, okay, because his dad was crap
and his mother was like kind of cold and you know, uh,
standoffish and all of those things. I don't really get

(48:38):
the vibe that he's proud of that. I don't know
why he would have adopted that moniker.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I think because his father was a muggle, right, and
his father didn't like magic. So I think what he's
holding on to in a similar way to how Voldemore
right like insists that Ethink's right, like that his father
must be the one with the mad blood, right because
he's like, my mother wouldn't have died, So he is

(49:05):
going along with that. But as soon as he finds
out that his father was the Muggle, he cuts that
off from his identity pretty much. I feel like Snape
is kind of doing a similar thing where he is
trying to almost cut off the Muggle part of himself
by adopting this moniker that's also a connection to his
wizarding relations.

Speaker 3 (49:24):
Yeah, and so of being known as a Snape to
be known as a prince.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah. I can relate to that as somebody who over
the years had thought many times about changing my last
name to my mother's last name because my bio dad
and I are like not Biffles. I can relate to that.
I can relate to that. Although Snape, you can't just
cut off the parts of yourself that you don't like.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
You have to learn to love them. It's all about
self loving this episode.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Never mind.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
Yeah, if it's a gender identity thing, it's different.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Wit.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
Okay, honestly, I don't think this was mentioned in anything
that was just said about it. But jk R is
as bad as stan Lee when it comes to relying
too much on illiterative names. And I know they don't
have you know, the monopoly on that. It's a literary device.

(50:18):
I said it. It just when you do it too much,
it's like weird when you don't do it, because not
everybody has illiterative names. And Severus Snape, like that's a
name that punches. Severus Prince Snap does not exactly. That's
just and I mean it's one of those things where

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they do this thing, especially in the Harry Potter, you know,
the books and the movies, where they call people by
either surname only, Like we refer to him as Snape
more than we refer to him as Severa Snape. We
don't ever call him Severus. I don't hear anybody ever
do that except Dumbled. I don't know. I mean, I mean, yeah, maybe, okay,

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so present company possibly excluded, well Est.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Boldmore.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Can you imagine, Like we we call him, but like
my point is, we we call him Snape, and we
know who he is. He's like the only Snape that
we call Snape. But if his last name was Prince,
we wouldn't be calling him prince. It would just feel weird,
like prince. What It doesn't feel the same though.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
But it doesn't feel the same because you only know
him as Snape.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
You're honestly telling me that if his name had been
Severus Prince this whole time, you think he would have
still been the icon that he.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Is, sure, because that would be the only name we'd
know for him.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I mean, no, I understand what you're saying, but there
is something about like names, especially naming characters is a
really big deal.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
Well, I mean, Dwight, Dwight in the Office says it best.
There's a reason it's called murder and not mucked up.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
I understand what just yesterday.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, I understand what you're saying. But like, if his
name was Prince, he'd still be the same character with
a different last name. He would still be the iconic
character that you love to hater, you love.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
To iconic sex symbol, ideal man. I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yeah, for some people like Lauren, those things.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, but there is something about One of the reasons
why alliterative names specifically are such a thing is because
they stick in your head, right, and that helps build
a thing, you know, naming characters. I'm gonna go on
a writing tangent. Again, naming characters is such a thing.
Like I have had times where sometimes the character's name

(52:47):
comes first and that helps dictate some of what their
personality ends up being. Sometimes, though, you get the personality
first and then you spend like three weeks trying to
find the name that matches that, and then you wag
got at two am and you're like, this is it?
So yeah it. Naming characters is a thing, And and
that alliteration does help, especially if we consider that the

(53:10):
first book was written for younger readers, right, so having
the adults specifically have those alliterative names helps make them
kind of distinct and like able to to kind of
sort through them and come to grips almost with those
characters for a younger reader.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
And also, I mean, I've just been running it through
in my head. There aren't that many alliterative names. Yes,
there are, I would say more than typical, but there
aren't that many. I mean, let's take thirty Dudley, Dursley, Phileas.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Mcgonaglen, McKinnon, cho Chang.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Eight, nine, to love Good ten.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
You want me to go through the whole list?

Speaker 1 (54:03):
No? Oh, did you find a list?

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Just tell us how many are on there. Don't run
the list.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
There are twenty nine names.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
That's not bad.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
And let me remind you, friends, how many characters there
are in the Harry Potter series. Over seven hundred and
twenty at least three. Yeah, so my point stands.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
And some of these, some of these they have nicknames
or married names as well, like married name William Weasley.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Oh yeah, sure, Oh and that's black Oh bs.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
She didn't even like him. She was booed down with
Baltimore and had a kid with him and then was like, okay, whatever.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Did she though?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Oh there's three more?

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Actually, okay, so how many thirty?

Speaker 2 (54:49):
There might even be more? This is a quick google.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Where are you finding it?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Just online? That was the first one, was the wiki,
but now this is a different website.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Oh, this is such a riveting podcasting.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
This is the ASMR portion of our podcast.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Honestly, this should be the episode just Alison whispering numbers.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I'm trying to make ocean noises in the background.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Would you say about my mother's.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Nice Are these all valid ones?

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Hold on seventy eight.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
The temptation to say random numbers right now is so strong.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
I know I know, don't screw her up.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Three hundred and ninety fall.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
You're over one hundred. I find that hard to believe.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
You should have just let her read the names. We'd
be so much further along, because we're not even halfway
through this chapter and we've been at it for like
an hour.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Okay, So okay, So here's the thing. This has one
hundred and nineteen. But this includes all seven books Quiditch Ages,
Fantastic Beast, Somewhere to Find Them, The Tales of Beatle,
the Bar Daily Prophet Newsletters, Famous Wizard Cards, the Black
Family Tree.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
And I don't count those because it's supposed to be fair.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
My my over seven hundred and twenty number comes from
the Mugglenets Character Compendium book, and that does include all
of those things as well. So we're looking at about
ten percent, which is still a low.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
Well, and the thing is, most of those are just
like name drops, right, They're just like they're not actual characters,
they're just like, yeah, Urick the Oddball, or like whatever
you know. Yeah, And so those make sense because that
you're just trying to come up with some still be
that kind of sticks out.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
And wait, Urick the Oddball is on there. Sorry, no,
I would like that is not in that list.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Those letters are not the same.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
But like Gladys Gudgeon, he's my favorite, not really, you know,
I know we're all.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
All Gladys Gudgeon at some point in our lives.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
We have all been her.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
She is all it's true.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Amen to that. And back to Eileen Prince and they
have blood Prince. I mean, are we actually talking about
this chapter? I don't know. We're trying. We're trying. Yeah,
I'm actually listening to mocking Jay right now. So let's go.
Let's go. So that time when Catinus I'm sorry, go ahead,

(57:29):
So Hermione.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Brings up Aileen Prince and Harry's like, no, it's a bloke.
I know it's a bloke. And Harmione is like, it's
because you think a girl wouldn't be clever enough, and
Harry's like, of course not, and he says it specifically
says he's kind of like stung by this, right, He's like,
I've hung around with you for six years and again
it's this other it's this thing again, this nineties and

(57:51):
early two thousands feminism, Like, but is there some truth
there that maybe that is why he's discounting that. He thinks,
of course there is.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
He is, She's the exception, not the rule. He thinks
that in most years are smarter, but her bride's.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Yeah, because it's like, Harry, Okay, so you think girls
are clever. Great, you hang around with Hermione and like
no other female people on a regular basis, and your
relationship with Ginny is very recent. So what other girls
do you think are so clever? Harry? And yes, if
you're going to make those kind of statements, you have
to be prepared to answer those kind of questions, which

(58:30):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
You definitely not Parvadi and Lavender, right. He constantly makes
fun of Lavender, who he belittles in this book.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Show he didn't really get to spend much quality time
with because she was traumatized, So his relationship with Chow
wasn't as deep as it could have been.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Yeah, Lavender deserves so much more credit than she gets.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
It's this almost again, early two thousands nineties. Any girls
that are emotional in anything can't be smart, he discounts
as not being Oh, it can't be both.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
No, then you're a human hose pipe. You want to
talk about alliteration.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, no, I mean unfortunately. You know, we have talked
about this among all the female characters over the years,
and that is just a pattern of the books. I mean,
as Lauren pointed out before, like Mollie exhibits some pretty

(59:28):
crappy behavior towards teenage girls who show something that Mollie
would find perhaps disgraceful or unladylike in behavior. Yeah, you know,
all of the all of the females are either not
all of them, a majority of them, or either seen
that way or portrayed that way or projected upon ye

(59:49):
in that manner.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
But again, I mean you think about the time period
the author had to use a name that wasn't a
female sounding name to sell these books, right, like, yeah
it was, it was happening, and so that's it's unfortunate.
It's not right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
It's also capitalism, it's also misogyny. It's also culture. It's
also I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
I remembered Pam saying they're the exact same picture.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I mean, exactly exactly, Lauren, we are also an office podcast.
If you hadn't think of it out, why not, because.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Applicable in so many situations.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
So after that conversation, does Hermione leave. I think like
hermione leaves.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah, it kind of like, yes, Hermione leaves.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Did they say she went to go she went to
go look at something, She went to work at the
records for something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Oh, you're right, she does. She leaves. So Harry and
Ronn are having their own conversation, right, and they're continuing
the conversation that the group of them was having. So
they're talking about the half blood print and like why
Harry's gonna keep using the book and blah blah blah,
and and the quote that I want to point out
says of course not, said ron robustly. He was a genius,
the prince anyway. Without his beez or tip, he drew

(01:01:11):
his finger significantly across his own throat. I wouldn't be
here to discuss it. What I I mean, I'm not
saying that spell he used on Malfoy was great, nor am,
I said Harry quickly. But he healed all right, didn't
he back on his feet in no time?

Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Said Harry, And this was perfectly true, although his conscious
swirm squirmed slightly. All the same quote thanks to Snape
and that right there is like the how did we
not how did we not like see that clue like
smacking us in the forehead and being like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
This spell that no one's ever heard of before it
in the exact same way instantly and knew what it held.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
Weird anyway, And also like without the beezor tip thanks
to Snape, like the whole the everything they just said.
They're like, oh, thank you Snape, look right there, and
it's we.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Find out he's The haplophants were like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
What what it's incredible writing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
It's this.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
It's this idea of you give the answer before you
even ask the question. Really and this one and the
other really big one I can think of that's like
this crazy is if anybody out there has read The
Raven Cycle. Literally, the first time Noah talks, he says
he's been dead for like certain number of years. Chronicle, Right,

(01:02:30):
I'm gonna spoil this a little bit. You find out
by the end of the book he has been dead
for several years and he's a ghost and nobody realized.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Now I don't have to read it because that's just
book one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
There's a lot more that happens. Yeah, So it's that
kind of thing. I love those so much. When you
drop when you drop the answer before you even ask
the question.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Really doesn't even a case where there's an unreliable narrator
when you find out, oh, she was actually manipulting this
is yeah. They just literally told us, were like, no,
what weird.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
It's amazing because you there's just no reason to connect
the two h at that point, even if you go
into these books, like if anyone ever has anyone in
their life who's like, I'm going to read Harry Potter
for the first time, unless you say to them you
need to go into these books assuming that they are
murder mysteries and you need to look for those clues.

(01:03:23):
There's no reason for you to even think that because
these are children's books. They're like lighthearted, fun children's books,
you know, until you get later. But really, really, Harry
Potter is a is a mystery series like it is
a it is They are mystery novels through and through
from the beginning to the end. That's it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Well, and here's the thing in a bo that's also
just good writing. And this is a little soapbox moment,
but good writing should drop clues to the actual answer
throughout the whole thing. But you don't see the ties
between them until the end. This bs that a bunch
of people have been doing lately, where it's like major twist,
it's someone we never even hinted at. That is bad writing, right,

(01:04:09):
that's bad writing. Good writing establishes it so that when
you think back or you reread it, you see the
clues again, and then now you know the thread that's
running through them, and then you go, oh, I see
how it builds up. Or there's nothing there, then it's
bad writing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Or when the character says I say dead people, you
go there is some one. Holy crap, Now I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
See, I'm glad that you invokes sixth sense because I
was just gonna say earlier, that is the only time
that that plot twist has ever worked for me, where
you find out a character was dead the whole time.
Every other time it has ever been done since then,
it just doesn't work anymore. It worked once I read
a book.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
I mean, well, I.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
Don't remember the name of it. If I find it,
I'll send it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Please. I mean, it's because how do you top that?
You can't. Everything that comes after that is just a
parody of that one thing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
Actually, I'd like to I'd like to amend my statement
just now. The only other time it worked for me
because I didn't see it coming because it was an
episode of a sitcom, was on an episode of Scrubs
where gosh, I forget if Doctor Cox finds out at
the end of the episode he spends the whole episode
thinking that they're getting ready for his son's birthday. But

(01:05:28):
it turns out at the end that his brother in
law died and they're going to his funeral, and he
was just hallucinating him the whole episode. Scrubs has been
out for years. That's not a spoiler anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
That's deep for a Scrubs episode.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
Rubs, you know, Scrubs actually was really good at that,
but this isn't a Scrubs podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah, let's get something delight, like, you know, alcoholism in
the Harry Potter series.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
Because there is so much of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Especially in this chapter. I was reading it and I
was like, this, she's high sherry bottles.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Also like sherry really, Like that's your vice? You know
how much sherry you need to get where you're going.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
It's a lot, That's what I was gonna ask you. Like,
I don't drink, so I don't know anything about sherry's specifically, Like, oh,
so it's like it's it's like drinking vanilla extra.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
I mean, you know what, vanilla extract might actually get
you there, because vanilla extract is actually incredibly potent. That's why,
like you only are supposed to use a very very
small amount of it. And anybody who cooks with alcohol
knows that the alcohol is supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Like it's burnt off.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
So you're not using it to make it boozy, unless
it's like maybe like a cake and you make it
a certain rate.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
Unless this is the Great British Bands making something for Prue.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
Prue likes her cakes a bit boozy. That's cannon. But
like with cooking sherry compared to other things, like cooking
sherry is not it's in the name. You're not supposed
to be just drinking it just to drink it. It's
not like is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
It specifically could Yeah, I thought.

Speaker 4 (01:07:03):
It just well, in this one, I think it's it's
I think in this chapter it mentions just her sherry bottles,
But in other chapters, at least once it has mentioned
that Harry got a whiff of cooking sherry.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
I was gonna say this chapter. We said, no, it just.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Says several bottles, but just but it's to me, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
It has I literally like made a video.

Speaker 4 (01:07:26):
Has mentioned it in other chapters. But even if it
wasn't cooking sherry, even if it was just like sherry
like you would order if you were just having like
a small drink in a bar, that is such a
peculiar choice. If you're like, I'm not trying to encourage
people to find stronger spirits and go get drunk. That's
not what I'm saying. I'm just saying that if I
found out that a person that I knew was drinking
in excess, I would not expect sherry to be the

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thing that they were drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
So she's a fancy and extent for my own edification.
I looked it up and according to Britannaga, it says
that all sherry is fortified after from an after fermentation
with a high proof brandy, which is sixteen to eighteen
percent alcohol, A lot of alcohol.

Speaker 4 (01:08:07):
I mean compared to like regular wine. Yeah, because your
average like if you go into if you just go
into a liquor store or a grocery store or wherever,
like your average bottle of wine is probably going to
have about eleven to thirteen maybe fourteen percent, so it's
just slightly higher than that if it's fortified with brandy,

(01:08:28):
but still like it's not something that you should be
doing shots of at a party, Like nobody's gonna buy
it for that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
She's fancy and eccentric. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:36):
I just think it's so traumatized. Like I did a
whole video about it after reading this because I'm like,
I did not remember this part, because like he's traumatized
by so much. They have this poor boy who sees
one of his teachers hiding her alcohol bottles, and he's
basically unaffected by it. He's like, oh, yeah, you're drinking
your demons the way. Can't wait till I could do that.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
They have sobered up Hagrid in the past. He's not
going to be phased by her hiding.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
Yes, But that's why I'm saying is it's so sad
because the thing is this boy's been It's just like,
oh yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Mean that's also there's also something to be said for
cultural differences there to say.

Speaker 4 (01:09:09):
Yeah, because Marge hits the you know, the brandy and
the wine pretty hard at that dinner where he blew
her up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
But would it not be weird to see your teacher
with multiple bottles and not just throwing a boy, but
hiding them because she doesn't want people to know she's
a drunk. Like that's pretty traumatizing.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Yeah, definitely at the age of sixteen it would be.
But like in grad school, it happened all the time.
Oh okay, I went to music I went to music
school in Indiana to get a master's degree. I met
some interesting teachers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Also, it is a boarding school, so you're gonna see more.
You're gonna see the teachers be a little bit more
human than you would if you were just at a
day school.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Now I want to know, like what the rest of
the teachers are drinking, because like we we know that
McGonagall drinks skilly water and Hagrid gets like four pints
made some other.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Like I've seen that. Uh usually Snap does fire whiskey.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
Snape seems like a fire whiskey guy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
But specifically Trelawney and this it seems like she's an alcoholic. Right,
I'm so interested because it's usually played for laughs in
a way, Right, But why is she so afflicted with
this right? Is it a response like why does she
feel the need to do this, you know? Is it
a response to her broken visions? Is it to deal

(01:10:33):
with the fact that, you know, she's kind of a
fraud with her seer abilities. Is she trying to like
stay mysterious. Is she trying to maybe access seer abilities
by keeping her inhibitions low? Like I have so many
questions about.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
I think Cassandra was such an in your face dear
and like literally gave profits that everyone could understand, prophecies
that everyone could understand. It was like, okay, clear clear
has the gift, whereas Trey Lawnie is like she has
the ability, but she doesn't have one a control over it.
She can't just produce one out of the blue. It
just kind of happens. And two it's not as strong.
So I think that there's a part of her that

(01:11:12):
feels that shame of like, oh, I'm not as good.
Like I don't think that she thinks she's up like
that she doesn't have the ability, but I think there
is a you know, a jealousy or a you know,
a sense of not being good enough there because when
she does have these visions, she's usually like past hour
in a transferm and doesn't even know that she had them,
because as we see in this, she's like, I thought
it was weird that Dumbledore left in that snape is

(01:11:33):
overhearing because he wanted to see how I did on
the interview because he wanted a job too. It's like, dude, no,
he's a listening to your prophecy. She doesn't even know
what she does. So I think there's a lot of
stuff in there that she wishes she was as good
as her relative.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
It all comes back to the trauma. As we have
been saying on it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:49):
It always like this whole episode.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Is I mean, And you know, I appreciate. I appreciate
that you are trying to tie her habit her like
for Sherry, her disease, which is what we would call
it if she were a straight up muggle to magic,
because it could not be. It could just be that

(01:12:13):
she likes cherry and she likes to be drunk. Could
be it could just be those things.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
That's I don't she wanted to be a teacher, you know,
I don't think she's living her dream.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
She's not. She's not.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
No, But there really aren't that many avenues for I
don't know if she she doesn't give me the impression
of somebody who cares that much about money.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
No, but she came to Dumbledore as a last resort.
She had tried everything else, she had no money. She
literally went to Dumbledore like, Hey, I'm literally homeless right now.
I got no money, I'm no one, no one will
hire me, I'm everyone makes fun of me that I'm
not a real seer. I'm coming to you because it's
my last resort.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Yeah, and when she gets I mean, it's not fun
getting fired. But I have a feeling that with most
of the T shirts at Hogwarts, like they would have
probably had something else that they could have done, Like
they might have some kind of alternative plan. But with Trelawney,
if not for the job that she has at Hogwarts,
I really don't think that she has anything else to

(01:13:13):
fall back on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
So I just had a thought, sorry, going back to
this idea of why she might be doing this, and
we know it goes back right to her name actually,
and her great great grandmother's name, so Cassandra and Sybil,
which is Greek and Roman mythology, and I had the
I remembered that it said that the oracle at Delphi

(01:13:35):
in Greece, one of the ways that they like went
into their trances right to have to make prophecies was
they were inhaling vapors from the ground basically. Oh so,
I'm wondering if is that something she's trying to do
almost right, or is there supposed to be that implication
that she's trying to do something along those lines, because

(01:13:57):
that's I mean, I think there are other like traditions
where that was also a thing, right of where you in.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
Him she's trying to be overcome by.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Yeah, I mean that sounds really plasitive kind of because
if she had actual celebrated seers in her family, there's
history there and they're going to know some of the
ancient practices, So she could be trying to call upon
those things for herself. I think that's an interesting thought.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
But but when it's when it's not doing it right,
she does know more.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
And more and more.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
And then that's not what I thought you were going
to say for a minute there. I thought you were
going to say that maybe she picked up her drinking
habit to cope with her unemployment, and that just kind
of became a habit that was too difficult to break
because I'm not going to cite any specific examples, but

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I've seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
But see, that's that's the thing that I think why
I found this interesting is because this aspect of her
character is so often played for laughs, but there's so
much potential for like below the surface, there's so much
potential for deeper meanings for why that's part of her character,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Well, her character in general is just it's a joke.
Right from the second hermion, he says, this is such
a stupid subject we are meant to put to shame
Trelawny to She's a fraud, this, this, she's this. It's
not until you know, we start to actually learn that
she's got some legitimate reason for being here. She is

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one of the red Herrings of ye series.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
Right like, immediately after we meet her, she does exactly
what she apparently always does, and then we get that
whole scene reframed by McGonagall right after that saying, oh,
she's doing what she always does. She predicts the death
of one student per year, she teaches an imprecise branch

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of magic, and it's like, okay, we don't even get
a second to process what just happened before mcgonagall's explaining
everything we apparently need to know about this person.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
And that's why. But as as the series goes on,
you get so much more respect for her, or at
least for her abilities, because you see, like when they
are discounting her, the fact that she's revealed to be
the one who literally stated the prophecy that changed everything
in the series, that put it on the rolling ball,
and then also the thing where like, oh, the first
one to rise from a table of thirteen is the
first to die, and Doubledore is the first to die.

(01:16:31):
Like all of those things did come true. So she
did have an ability and when you look back and
it like, oh, yeah, no, she actually did know what
she was talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Yeah, I mean there are so there are so many
of those trelawny moments, like when she tells Harry, oh
you were you were born, you were born near the
winter solstice and he's like, no, but Voldemort was, you know.
So she's she's a very interesting character, very interesting. Yeah.

(01:17:02):
I like when we get to see her and Harry
together because I think their dynamic is really it's really interesting.
I'll leave it there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
She also mentions nasty accusations, and I was like, that
is such a fascinating phrase, trying to think of, like
from who is giving her these nasty accusations and why
where is that coming from? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
What's the full quote?

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
I think this is when she is mumbling to herself
about Dumbledore, right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Because the impression that I got, I don't know about
who exactly, but the impression that I got about the
part where she says nasty accusations is people assuming that
if they find out she drinks a whole lot, then
they're gonna say, oh, well, she doesn't have any actual
ability to divine the future. She doesn't have any real
visions or special abilities. She just hallucinates a lot because

(01:17:58):
of all of her drinking.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
Yeah, So the quote is I wished to deposit certain
personal items in the room, and she muttered something about nasty.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Which explains why she can't just throw it out with
the not that you know people are going through the garbage,
But couldn't she just sneak her sherry bottles in with
the garbage that goes out. We don't know what the
house elves do with the garbage, but I don't recall
seeing any dumpsters on the Hogwarts ground.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
They vanish it into non being, which is to say nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
Okay, so she doesn't know how to do that. She's
an adult witch. Maybe that seems like fairly basic magic
for somebody at her level.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I mean she's friendly, like mcgonagall's the one that defends her.
Do you think they are friendly?

Speaker 4 (01:18:50):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Who? Who would be nasty accusations? Because Hagrid's a pretty
good drunk, But Hagard pretty good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
At drinking, pretty pretty good. Yeah, it's like he's he's
he's a he's a competitive level drinker.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Like who's the sober one at Hogwarts Flitwick? No? No,
but doesn't Flitwick order like something with any.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
You would be funny? Is if the sober one at
Hogwarts was Madam hooch Aulay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
Maybe it's the house elves. Maybe the house elves are gossiping.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
I mean, the elves do cast a bit of a
side eye a winkie.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Are the ones who would take care of garbage? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Yeah? If there's physical garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Probably the ones who would, yeah, would be clearing stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
I pulled the throwback comment one of one of two
for this episode because my big question here was how
does Trelawney get into the Room of Requirement? Because Harry
is like walking and he's thinking to himself and he
hears a whooping like sorry, not a whooping, but he
hears like a commotion. He goes running and is Trelanni

(01:20:01):
who had this altercation with somebody? How did Trelanni get in?
What did she say? What actually happened? And our throwback
comment comes from how am I going to translate this?
And they say the Room of Requirement has one specific incarnation,
the Room of Hidden Things where everybody's been hiding their
stuff for centuries. Malfoy is in there all the time,

(01:20:23):
and he has ensured that no one else can get
in while he is working in there. It seems that
on this particular session he has quote forgotten to lock
the door, and so Trelanne can get into the room
when she wanted to hide her bottles. If at the
same time Harry had wanted to go into the Room
of Hidden Things to find his Potions book or hide
something in there, the room would I've opened for him too.

(01:20:45):
So because all the other times we see Harry trying
to get into the room, he's saying, show me the
room that you become from Malfoy show me, I forget
the other ones, Like.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
My favorite phrasing, I need to see what Draco Malfoy's
doing inside you. Yeah, yes, there's no way she didn't know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Yeah. So, so the ignorance of that whole thing where
Trelawny is just quote unquote innocent, innocently trying to hide
her sherry bottles and she's trying to get into the
Room of Hidden Things like didn't And maybe I'm remembering wrong.
Maybe this is what Alison's gonna point out. When Harry
goes to hide his book, isn't there something where he's

(01:21:30):
like he thought he heard someone else in the room?
Am I making that up? Because I might be?

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
I think so. But the difference is Harry specifically asks
to find what Malfoy's doing, right, and the room can't
do that, correct, But Trelawne just asks for the room
of him now things right, So I don't sorry, Yeah,
So what I'm saying is the only the only protection

(01:21:57):
Malfoy has the room do is nobody can find him necessarily,
So anybody can still get.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Into the Room of Hidden Things at any time, whether
he's in it or not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Yes, yes, yes, When Harry is specifically asking for what
he does that is not like a valid request. So
you still I don't think he says, hold on, I'm
going to look up that I was looking up something else.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
Yeah, So I mean, it's so like if Dumbledore was
in the Room of Requirement using it as chamber pots,
and somebody was like, I need a chamber pot, it
would open the room and Dumblewood Dumbledore would be in there.
Taken a two. But like, because the Room of Hidden
Things is the most well documented use of the room,

(01:22:43):
most people know about that, and so that's the room
that it easily becomes. But Harry never knew about the
Room of Hidden Things until he went to hide his book.
So all those times he tried to get in there
when Malfoy is in there, he didn't know the Room
of Hidden Things existed, Yes, which is why it didn't work.

(01:23:04):
But now, thank you Trelawne. She just blew the whole
thing open unintentionally, but you know as she does well.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
But Harry knew because he hit his book first.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Yeah, but he didn't know it was the Room of
Hidden Things. Like he didn't know that was the room
that Draco was in. He didn't know that, No, he
didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Yeah, I mean he finds out that this room exists
and that it's been a hiding place for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
He just thinks that Snape and Draco are up to shenanigans.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Yeah, which, No, there is no mention of him hearing anybody. Okay, Okay,
Well he couldn't have because Draco was lying on the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Oh you're right, you're right. Draco wouldn't have that moment,
so there wouldn't be But I think it's great, Like
you know, we were talking about this, but the before
with the whole Snape clue. This is one of those
chapters that is just perfectly crafted in every sense. It's
a half an hour on the audiobook. It's not a

(01:24:03):
long chapter. It's like a pretty like it's not short,
it's not long, it's like a mid level. There's so much,
it moves along so quickly. It is perfectly crafted. Listen,
I have said this on this show before, and I'm
gonna repeat it because you're just gonna have to hear it.
If you don't like Half Blood Prints, you have to

(01:24:25):
listen to Full Circle. And I'm not just saying that
because it's like my podcast and whatever, but a chapter
like this and that show will prove to you how
tight and well edited and well written and how beautifully
crafted this book is. It is perfection and I'm in

(01:24:45):
order of the Phoenix girly, but like Half Blood Prince
is the best written book of the series, hands down.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
And this chapter in particular is one of those hinge
chapters that I've talked about a couple times lately, because
we're we're kind of at this point where we're we
keep hitting these hinge chapters that are the places where
everything that's come before you're getting that key like link
in the chain that's going to lead you to everything
that comes at the end, right, And this chapter is that.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
We get the connections between the half Flood Prince mystery,
we get the connections between what Malfoy is doing and
what's going to happen next. We get the connections between
Dumbledore and the Hoorecruxes. This chapter is the is that
point where everything that's come before gets kind of solidified

(01:25:35):
to take us to the end of this book. And
it's really awesome, Like it's really well done. I do
have to say, also really well done the jokes in
this chapter because we also get the Harry saying you
didn't see that coming, and and her replies, no, it
was pitch, And then she's like, wait a second, like

(01:25:56):
she figures out what he was saying. That's it's very fop,
it's sassy. You didn't see that.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
It does what McGonagall did over Christmas dinner. Yeah, that
explains a great deal.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
I do want I do. I do need to just
point it out that Allison, I hear what you're saying
about all those things. But chapter twenty six is not
nowhere near the middle of this book. It's a reflection
of chapters five and the middle, just making sure.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Yeah, no, no, when I talk about like a hinge point,
I'm not talking about like the middle. I'm talking about
a point where things change and start going in a different,
like in a certain direction, right, like like.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
Like the groundbreak.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Another way, it's it's the chain, It's it's the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
It's the difference between him being as a young boy, like, oh,
talking about my girlfriend. I'm so happy too, I'm about
to watch my father figure die again.

Speaker 4 (01:26:51):
Yeah, like I might murder somebody on purpose tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
Oh no, doubledoor eyes. Except no one's upset about it.
Because he sucks. Who said that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
That's crazy, you guys speaking of murder. Trelawny brings up
the card. That's right, the codes, the codes, the code
specifically the Lightning.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
I did, but I was like, wait for.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
That is the greatest Disney animated movie ever. I will
die on that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
I put it in second place. But that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
I won't say that, but it is very good and
it's underrated anyway. So the Lightning stric Tower is specifically
the card that Trelawnie mentions, and she says, it's calamity
disaster coming nearer, and so as I as I do,
because I don't really know anything about Taro, so I
look everything up. So here's my research. So just kind
of reading the research because there's so much here. This

(01:27:47):
card follows immediately after the Devil in all tarots that
contain it, and is associated with sudden, disruptive revelation and
potentially destructive change. It may be a reference to the
biblical story of the Tower of Babel, where God to
de stroys a tower built by mankind to reach heaven. Alternatively,
the harrowing of Hell was a frequent subject in the
liturgical drama of the late Middle Ages, and Hell could

(01:28:08):
be depicted as a great gate knocked asunder by Jesus Christ.
Anybody know how to say that minkiate mintiate, I'm saying
that wrong. I'm sure somebody correct me. Version of the
deck may represent Adam and Eve's expulsion from the Garden
of Eden, danger, crisis, sudden change, destruction, higher learning, and liberation.

(01:28:29):
The tower is associated with the planet Mars, which side
note for me, I read that car Mars is bright tonight,
which we're going to get to the Centaurs in a minute.
And when this card is reversed apparently can mean negligence, absence, distribution, carelessness, distraction, apathyality, vanity.
And also looking at this card, I remembered that if

(01:28:53):
anybody saw the show Agatha all along, this is the
card that symbolizes Billy or Wickan. And there was a
lot of speculation when that episode came out about the
two figures falling from the tower on the card that
look a lot like Billy and his twin Tommy in
their kind of traditional comic costumes. Right, and since it's

(01:29:14):
reversed for Billy, that symbolizes it said it's a windfall,
avoiding or delaying change that is crucial and necessary. It
can indicate resistance to upheaval or a refusal to refusal
to confront difficult truths. Right, So all of this kind
of going together, and what we know is what's going
to happen is this sudden change, but also a sudden

(01:29:38):
moment of Harry's growth, right, because once Dumbledore is gone,
Harry really has to take on himself everything that's going
to come after.

Speaker 3 (01:29:49):
And he said the devil card comes first, which means
that Dumbledore is the devil. And I was right all overlong.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Okay, I don't know if I go that far.

Speaker 4 (01:30:00):
Elson. I apologize for getting hung up on this, but
I have to get this out or it's going to
be stuck in my cross forever. Did you say the
Tower of Babel, the Tower of the Tower of Babel. Sorry,
my theological training kicked out the tower that think that's
why people who talk endlessly are are said to babble.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Yeah, yeah, I swear I've heard.

Speaker 4 (01:30:21):
Of you said Babel.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Maybe that's just my childhood reading it and pronouncing it
that way, and then my brain never came, isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
It Hermione hermi Nini.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
This tent is for friends jumpions.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Such a nice guy though, yeah, so sorry anyway, going back, No,
I think that's I think it's one hundred percent right
though it's a big like.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
How you were saying a Hinge point is this is
literally going from Okay, I'm a child. I mean, he's
had so much trauma, not to say he's a child,
but it is another step where it's gonna be like, Okay,
Dumbledore has been your guy this whole time, get ready
to be without him.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
He says it the end of the book, right, He
says that it's like he can see the people who
were standing in front of him who have now fallen, right,
his parents, serious, Dumbledore, and now it's just him and
oh Man, just the symbolism of all of that, and
also again Harry wanting to delay that change and wanting

(01:31:21):
to delay his having to take on that burden, right,
but now he can't see it has to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:31:30):
I like the I do like the fact that I
don't know how to read tarot cards. I know a
lot of people who do and I don't. But I
appreciate the inclusion of tarot cards in the book because
it's one of the things in the series that doesn't
feel like a kind of magic that they made up

(01:31:50):
or that they had to change in some way to
make it work for their version of magic. This is
a thing that people can actually relate to, Like people actually,
will he do this every day?

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Yeah? And to answer the question that has yet to
be asked, like why would Dumbledore igno this? Does he
already know? Is he discounting her? Why would he ignore it? Yes,
he already knows. He already knows he's going to die.
He already knows exactly what's going to happen. And the
mass Like, my favorite thing about this little drop is

(01:32:22):
that the lightning struck Tower then turns into a chapter title,
which is just brilliant connection. I love it so much.
And you read that and you're like, oh my god.
You think back and you're like, some, yeah, this is
this is it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:38):
This is it. It is making the best of a situation.
Because he wasn't always supposed to die. It was just
when he put on the Gaunt Ring, even though he
knew he shouldn't, because he still had so much guilt
over his sister's death and blamed himself for it that
he's like he was willing to do anything to see
her again and get that closure. Even if he knew, yeah,
I'm probably gonna die from this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
I still think think he should have paid attention because
he knew he was going to die within a year. Yes,
but he didn't know what was going to happen this way,
So I think he still should have paid attention.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
I think the closer we get to this moment, the
more he actually did know it. And I think that's
why he's ignoring all this is because these cards wouldn't
be telling him anything that he doesn't already know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
And and so I guess the follow up question is
does he is he actually ignoring them or does he
just act like he's ignoring her? And he actually takes
that advice and starts to see these things and prepare.

Speaker 4 (01:33:35):
He already is an act. It's all an act.

Speaker 1 (01:33:39):
And he already knew because he already had the thing
with Severus. He already knew that if it got to
this moment, he needed Severus to kill him.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
He knew there was a ninety nine point nine percent
that Draco was not going to be able to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Yeah, he already knew. Dumbledore is that character that's who
like infuriatingly, infuriatingly most often is like the puppet master
who's pulling the string but also brilliantly is like twenty
five steps ahead of everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
Yeah, but he pretends that it's all for the greater
good and pretends you're like, I'm a good guy, but
you're not. You're a manipulator as Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:34:21):
Was just about to refer to him as the great deceiver.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
He literally will take He's like he kept Serious in
prison even though he could have saved him. He kept
Snape as a little like slave, even though he was
already going to save the Potters. But he's like, oh, yeah,
I'll do it if you like, do this for me.
You already were going to You just wanted someone else
under your little thumb that could be a spy for whatever.
So there's all these things he does. That's why I
don't like him, because I understand doing things for the

(01:34:46):
greater good and doing whatever. But don't say that you're
this good guy. Be like, yeah, I do terrible things
all the time. It's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
See, I don't think Dumbledore ever says he's a good guy.
Though I don't think Dumbledore.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
Believes he doesn't say it that he clearly wants.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
To flawed, and he No, I don't even think he
thinks that. I think he just uses people's assumptions that
he is to his advantage because he already knows he's He's.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
Kind of like, think about how judgmental he is, though.
When Snape comes to him and all these people who
come to Who's Bad, He's like, these people are horrible,
these people are this. He does all this, he's very
well because.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
He's setting up for what he needs to happen, right,
He's twenty five steps ahead. So when Snape comes to him,
Valtimore or not Voldemore sorry, Doubledore is like, well, this
could be useful in protecting Harry then if this, oh yeah, right,
I can use this to create contingency plan.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
But knowing full well that he is going to traumatize
this young boy. Snape is young at this point and
add more trauma to his plate in order to do
what he needs to do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Yeah, But I think I think to some extent, because
Dumbledore has been through so much. I'm not excusing him here,
I'm just saying I think because he's been in so
much trauma himself, he forgets what trauma does to people. Right,
It's like his quote where he says, old men forget
what it is to be young.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
Yeah. Well, his whole thing too, is that he has
the trauma from Grinda Wald and how he had that trauma.
He has the trauma from his sister. He is very damaged.
He is a very damaged person.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Oh yeah, but I.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Don't think that he is the good like I don't
like how he presents himself and is the things that
he does are excusable and bad. But he I don't
think sees the trauma that he does or sees the
things that he does because he's so far he's in
that's so big picture.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
No, I agree that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:30):
He doesn't see the little microcosms of pain and issues
that he causes. And he's like, I just did no good.
It's like, did you though? Or do you suck?

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
I think because Dumbledore believes himself to already be condemned,
and so in that he says, well, then I'm going
to save someone else from being condemned as much as
I can. And what he's done in this case is
he has chosen Harry to be the one who will
not be condemned so he's gonna set everything else up

(01:36:58):
to make sure that happens. He already believes himself to
be too sullied.

Speaker 3 (01:37:03):
For anything, and I think I would I would get
behind it. If you were saying he's a good person.
I like your idea. If you like, if he really
is the point where he doesn't think he's a good person,
he's just doing whatever he does, I would buy it.
But I think that he's still very high horsey and judgmental.
I don't think that he does think that he's like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
I don't necessarily think that, but I think everybody else does.
And that's the viewpoint we get.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
I think it's probably somewhere between where both of us think.
I would say there's somewhere in there, Like he probably
does think he's pretty cool and does like to kind
of judge people and does think he's better than some people,
and he probably is a little bit condemned.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
He does know he's clever, right, he admits he's clever.
He's like, I know I am.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Right, And as his brother points out, secrets and lies
are how they grew up and he was a natural
at it, and now being in the position that he's
in not only being the head Master, the only one
Voldemort was ever scared of, the one who's smarter than everybody,
the one who thinks further ahead. It gives him a
morally excusable reason to lie to everybody. He is never,

(01:37:58):
once in all his life, been transparent with anybody, because
he doesn't know how.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Yes, for sure, No, I think you're right, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:38:10):
The Great Deceiver, The great Deceiver, which leads us to
a new band name.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
I called it famous interview.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
We're not gonna take it from me, pal, it's all yours.
Jeff said that they called the band name, and I
said that no one's gonna take it from them. That's
all theirs.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
Oh, I called ten new band names a day, thanks
to Andy Dwyer, I have a band name already. Great.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
So the infamous interview, and we reading through this, I
was like, wait, so she stays at the Hogshead and
this again kind of talking about Dumbledore and Dumbledore being manipulative.
Did Dumbledore direct her to there on purpose? Does he
do this maybe to have Aberforth check up on people? Right?

(01:38:52):
Because I listen, this may be a little bit of
head cannony, but I firmly believe that like Alvis definitely
kind of uses Apperforth as a spy, and Aberford is
kind of all right with that, Like they're they're like
they're like a strange, but they're also like feeding each
other information, you know. And so I'm wondering, do you

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think he sends people there on purpose so that Aberforth
can spy on them?

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:39:22):
Really? Okay, See this is where my h this is
where my speak beast training kicks in. And I'm thinking,
if we're going by the canon they set up where
they establish this begrudgingly cordial, you know, relationship where they
have cringey dinner parties every now and then, and his

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brother has a biological so I don't think that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Does that happen enough? Does that happen in a third movie?
Because that's effing wild?

Speaker 4 (01:39:53):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah Creed.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Okay, well, let's make a decision.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
For it's biological fob.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
So let's make a decision here that we are not
going to use that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
Because okay, then in that case book, see, I don't
know that I could necessarily buy that because we do
I think we get in. I think we see like
we don't actually see any conversations between Aberforth and Albus.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Correct, Okay, but I have two pieces of evidence from
this chapter that also lends credence to this theory.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Okay, credence to the theory.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Yeah, that I couldn't do.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
No, I didn't the first one, I'm sorry, Okay, then okay.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Then the first one is that is the person who
catches Snape. Okay, So that suggests to me that Dumbledore
that that there may have been some communication there. The
second one is as they're walking through hogs Neeed, Dumbledore
says he doesn't have to go into the Hogshead for

(01:41:05):
his excuse to basically work, right, which to me suggests
the possibility that Aberforth will just lie that he was
there no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Yeah, oh sure, veryn cahoots for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
So that to me suggests then that Albus may be
pushing people to the Hogshead in some way, shape or
form to have Aberforth kind of check them out or
spy on them.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Do you think it's actively pushing or just like when
it happens, it happens, and so why wouldn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
No, I think it's active. I think he's doing it
on purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
No, but that's what I'm saying it is like, if
he knows someone's out there, might as well go to
the hogs and get information about them.

Speaker 1 (01:41:40):
I mean, I think it's got to be somewhere in
the middle, because the two examples that you gave are
how many years apart? Twenty years apart, fifteen years apart.
However Old Harry is sixteen years apart. Okay, So like
the example of Trelawney staying at the Hogshead, she's there
because she has nowhere to stay and like, so she's

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there because she's there, like.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Stumbled, because she's there exactly, she's.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
There because she's there like did.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
But is the reason she's there because she was somehow pushed?

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
I don't think so. No.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
I think she's there because it's close to Hogwarts and
she was having an interview and she was there and
aberfourth just happened to be there. Now your second, your
second example of aberfourth lying for Albis. Yes, I'm with
you on that one hundred percent. Yes, absolutely, because I
think that through through this they're not reconciled, or maybe

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they are, and they pretend to be estrange because it's
easier for people to like look.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Like their version of reconciled.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
I would say, yeah, exactly, so well yes and no
no on your first example, yes on your second.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
Here's my thing. Why the Trelawney one I think could
still be plausible is that she says the Hogshead has bedbugs,
but funds were low, and so I'm like, okay, that
means she couldn't stay anywhere else. Yes, but then did
Aberforth did like Aberforth then quote her a price for
a room that would accommodate that, so that then she

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would roundabout kind of be forced to be here.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
I feel.

Speaker 3 (01:43:22):
I think they probably needed this seer at Hogwarts. I
don't think there are that many divination experts, and Dumbledore's like, hey,
I've heard of this one. She's down on our luck.
Let's bring her in for an interview. And that's what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
But Dumbledore says in the Cannon Books that it was
against his inclination to allow the subject to continue. He
only interviewed her because she was the great great granddaughter
of a celebrated and gifted seer, so her family is
the only reason she even got an interview. But the
part that puzzles me is why is this interview taking
place in a room at a pub. Anyway, why isn't

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she being interviewed at the place she hopes to work.
Isn't that how most jobs views?

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
Is weird? And he just wants because whatever he wants,
I want to go to the hogs that I want to
will be at the you know, like little ice Cream is.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
A security nightmare, so concern.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
If it's student student security, you don't want like unknown adults,
just like around the school.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
But it's also summer, there's no students.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
But I would think, if anything, it's not that Dumbledore
did push her towards the Hogsheads so that Aberforth could
keep an eye out. But I would buy that this
incident would have been the start of Albus thinking, Okay,
well maybe from here on in, since my brother now sees,

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you know, how valuable he can actually be to the cause,
maybe from this point forward I can start using him
a little bit more than I was before this happened,
because we don't have any cannon examples to think that
he was doing it before this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Okay, all right, I could buy that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
So I think I met you halfway there. Not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
I mean, it's one of those things that we really
can't know because we don't have evidence for it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
Right, No, it's an interesting thought though.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
Yeah, yeah, another thing we don't have evidence for. But again,
questions that I have. Trelawne says, I was starting to
feel a little odd. I had not eaten much that day,
and I was thinking, and I was like, Okay, so
we know her other big prophecy that she gives in prisoner.
She's been testing students in the heat all day, right,

(01:45:41):
and so I was like, wait a second again, kind
of going back to the same thing with like the
like the vapors, and like why she might drink? Is
there something maybe to it that true divination requires some
kind of like bodily denial or suffering or abstinence or
like fasting.

Speaker 3 (01:46:01):
As simple as you can't be in your head. You
have to just be well, that's what I'm saying, is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
Because you have to get out of your physical self
almost And so maybe that's the times when Trelawney is
able to predict these.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
Things the best. But then why wouldn't she in these
kinds of states? Is that it was like, why would
she turn to Sherry? Why wouldn't she just fast? If
that's what happened the last time.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:46:23):
Maybe she's looking for different ways because again I don't
think she knows when she's having these predictions, So she
wouldn't have known that she had that big prediction because
she hadn't eaten that day in the trans and all
of that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:32):
Maybe she think maybe that's why the sherry. Because I
know that one should not consume large amounts of alcohol
on an empty stomach. That's just a given. But perhaps
she thinks for some reason that excessive amounts of cooking
sherry will help curb her appetite. Maybe people have believed

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crazier things than that well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
And and maybe or maybe it is again the like
she's trying to lower her like inhibitions. She's trying to
again get out of her own self, because that is
how predictions work. And she does these things accidentally.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
She doesn't know that she's doing. She doesn't she's not
cognisant upstaying what predictions are. She just goes into a
trance and says them. It's not like she's like for
you know, ancestors, where they can just say, hey, this
is going to happen because of this.

Speaker 2 (01:47:22):
But I guess I'm wondering on the subject of divination
at all, if there's something to that, and that's why
those are the times where these things happen to her.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
I wonder about all those other people who get mentioned
and briefly in the Hall of prophecies when they're smashing
and we hear just things like at the solstice will
come anew and none will come after. I just kind
of wonder does everybody who has this ability to make
real prophecies not realize after the fact that it's what
they did? Like that is that part of it you

(01:47:55):
can't know? Because I know that Doubledore specifically says that
it would be better if Sybil not know about the
prophecies she's made, which she makes too, and both of
her prophecies are about, you know, the same thing. But
I'm thinking something about like this could maybe even be
another explanation for why she chooses to use cooking sherry

(01:48:17):
as a coping mechanism. Is because some part of her
unconscious brain knows that she's doing this thing, but she
doesn't actually have conscious access to it, and I think
it kind of maybe messes with her internal chemistry a
little bit. So she's trying to just either she's either
she's trying to do one of two things, and she
hasn't decided which one it is. She's either trying to

(01:48:38):
bury it so that it will go away, or she's
trying to bring it to the surface so that she
can figure out the secret of what is this thing
that I can't figure out how to tap into and
how do I control it?

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
Hmm okay, I think it's all all of those and
none of those at the same time. Like, I know
that sounds strange, but I think.

Speaker 3 (01:48:59):
Humans aren't wonderments. It could be all of that at
the same time.

Speaker 4 (01:49:02):
Yeah, the human mind, whether it's magical or not, is
it incredibly complex thing that we're constantly learning more about.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
My mind is an enigma.

Speaker 4 (01:49:10):
Yeah, life has many dollars, yes, ed boy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
Well, And so as as Astralani's sitting there talking, Harry
like puts it together. He's like, wait, Snape is the
one that was there. He he's the one that did this,
and he is like infuriate and that's when he's like,
you stay here. I'm gonna go do with this on

(01:49:35):
my own. You stay here.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
She's like, but I thought we were going together, and
she's like, no, I'm mat Snattie I've got to take
care of this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
Yeah, I'm about to.

Speaker 4 (01:49:41):
Go mule near on him.

Speaker 1 (01:49:44):
Yeah, I do have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Reading it this time it occurred to me, I was like, wow,
it came from both sides, right on both sides. James
thought Peter Pettigrew was one of his best friends. Lily
had thought it one point that Snape was one of
her best friends, and yet it's both of them on
both sides.

Speaker 3 (01:50:04):
That ultimately yes, but that comes down to the thing
of you have to realize, did he know that Lily
was even a possibility to be the one the prophecy
was about, because he didn't hear the whole thing. And also,
how would he have known she was pregnant?

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Oh, because I think he keeps tabs on her.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Okay, because he's well and so then theater, Yeah, he
didn't know Art too. He actually really actively sacrificed James
and Harry because he's like, then Lily's going to be single,
which is also a possibility. Oh, that's absolutely what he
did to love that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
That is what he wanted, what he wanted to do,
and Doubledore calls him out for that. In The Princess,
he would.

Speaker 3 (01:50:36):
Actively he sacrifice the sun and names, and he's like, yeah, bet.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
He he literally calls him out on that if he
wanted to, he would, Ladies, if he wanted to, he would. Yeah,
he's like, he's like, so her son, her husband, and
son can just die as long as you get what
you want.

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
Yeah. Yeah, we don't hate him because it's gross, even
though it is. We hate him because if we were
him and the person that we never got was Lily,
we would probably all do it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:05):
I would hope not.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
I would.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
I think all of us are a little drawn to
the toxicity because it's like, Wow, he was down bad
for her, even if it was obsessive. It's like to
have someone so obsessed with you noe uhh. Never you
always life for me in my memory, make all your
choices about me and my memory. It's a toxic yeah.
Is it a little hot?

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
Sure?

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
Is it healthy? Absolutely not no.

Speaker 1 (01:51:29):
Our second throwback comment, I thought, I think is a
really interesting one because we were sort of touching on
this before. But as from Spinner's end, and they say
regarding the prophecy and Snape not hearing the whole thing,
I've always labored under the impression that the only reason
Dumbledore heard all of it was because he took the
memory from Trelawney post premonition and used the Pencieve to

(01:51:50):
listen to it. That's the only possible way for Dumbledore
and Trelanne to be the only people who know about it.
Otherwise ourbra Fourth and Snape would have known, and then
Voldemor would also have known. The prophecy would not have
stayed a secret if anyone else had known.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
See, I think what happened is Aberforth found Snape and
they were tussling outside the door while the end of
the prophecy was happening, And so that's why Snape didn't
hear it all, but Dumbledore still heard it all.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
But can't it also be both because Dumbledore polls Trelawny
from the Penzieve and like shows Harry.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
Okay, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Saying it to Harry, there was both a little bit
of a scrap, a little bit of a memory poll. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
I do really want to see now Aberforth and Snape
wrestling in the hallway, though not like Thunderdome, not like
sexy wrestling.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
But that's a different site.

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
Actually, I mean, you know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:52:51):
Want to wrestle snape. That's so crazy. What are the chances.

Speaker 4 (01:52:54):
On the one hand, I don't love it, but on
the other hand, I also hate it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
Yeah, yeah, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
Let's talk about something a little bit better than which
is Harry runs into Dumbledore's office. He's spitting mad, right
and love. I loved this line. This line stood out
to me where Dumbledore asks if he's afraid because Harry's
in such a state, and Harry says fear was one
emotion he was not feeling at all, And I was

(01:53:25):
just like, this feels like one of those lines that
just so encapsulates Harry as a character. Right, it's so Gryffindor.
But it's also just so Harry, because Harry is almost
never afraid when he's motivated by love, and his anger
here is rooted in his love, and Harry is like
completely fearful.

Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
Well that and also, can we just talk again? Not
to talk about trauma again, but like the Hamilton poet says,
I've imagined death so much it feels more like a memory. Well, yeah,
why would he be afraid of death when he's so
close to it all the time?

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Yeah, but I do wonder Why does Dumbledore seem so
concerned that Harry knows it was Snape? Who ever heard
the prophecy? Is it because he is worried about how
this furthers Harry's suspicions of Snape? And again, and this
is one of those things where it's like Dumbledore, if
you just sat him down and told him these things, now,

(01:54:17):
there would have been a lot of things that happened
in Deathly Hallows that would have.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Been That's interesting that you read it as that he's upset.
I read it more of that he's annoyed because now
he has to like explain it, he's never gonna be
able to explain it to Harry.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
Well, I think he's just because he tries to discount
the seriousness of it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
Oh yeah, But to me, that's like a like almost
like a kid being annoying, Like okay, no, like no,
it's not really, it's not that he's really genuinely concerned
that Harry's gonna be He's like, I don't have time
to explain all of this to you, so we're gonna
pretend it didn't happen because we need to go find
a HORCRUCKX And I'm about to die, okay, so just relax.

Speaker 1 (01:54:49):
I actually am I actually completely agree with you, Lauren,
specifically because Harry questions, He's like, well, are you sure
you can trust him? And Dumbledore. You can almost hear
the like in the narration because Dumbledore pauses, and we're
meant to think that he's thinking, and he probably is,

(01:55:10):
but he is also calculating, and he goes, yes, I trust,
I trust ever a snape, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
That's how it read to me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
At least I actually agree with you completely.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Here's the thing that stood out to me that I
think makes me not think that necessarily. So right after
Harry tells him, Snape's what's happened? He told Baltimore about
the prophecy. It was him He listened outside the door.
Trelawney told me Dumbledore's expression did not change, but Harry
thought his face whitened under the bloody tinge cast by

(01:55:40):
the setting sun for a long moment. Dumbledore said nothing.
So it seems like and then when did you find
out about this? He asked out last. So it seems
like Dumbledore is like concerned that Harry knows this information,
and not because he's annoyed, but not because he's annoyed.
That description doesn't say annoy to. That description says something

(01:56:02):
in the plan is going, right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
I don't I don't know if concerned is the word.
I do think your point about does Dumbledore now worry
that this may further color hit in Harry's opinion of snape,
because Dumbledore does need Harry to be able to get
the information, to trust him enough to do the thing

(01:56:24):
that he's the pig for a slaughter or all that, Jazz.
I don't know if concerned is the word. I'm not
sure what the synonym is that I'm looking for, But
I do agree with Lauren that Dumbledore in this moment
is very much like, I do not have time for
this right now now. So maybe it's not full annoyance,

(01:56:46):
and I'm not convinced that it's full concern. I think
it's somewhere in the middle, because yes, he's worried about
everything I just said, the snape and the Harry, the
trust the pig first laughter, but he also is one
track mind. We need to go get this hor Cook's
and we're going to do it right now, so like
he sort of has to placate Harry and then just say, okay,

(01:57:09):
we need we we do not have time for this.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
We needed just a reaction, And can also be him
feeling bad for Harry because he's like, oh, I really
didn't want to know about that right now, that's us.
That could also be very much like, oh yeah, that sucks, fam,
I'm sorry, Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
Yeah, I guess. It's just it's kind of infuriating to
me because I'm like, why not just tell him the truth?

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
Because double because but but here's the thing. He told
Harry at the end of order that he was going
to tell him the full truth. So when this came
out and he had the opportunity to tell him the
full truth and to even then just say Okay, Harry, yes,
this is what happened. This is why let's put this

(01:57:49):
out there, talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:57:50):
When we get to the Potters, you think Doubledore didn't
really know where the Potters were and that he didn't
have an alert charm for any time there was a
disturbance outside the Potter's house, because no, he could have
known where they were, but he could have had had
a circuit there circumference disturbance charm on there, and then
he would have known as soon as Baltimore got there,
he would have been able to go there and know
what was going on. He wanted the Potters to fail
so that he could have ultimately defeated Baltimore and had

(01:58:11):
this little catalyst. Oh Potter, he's gonna want to do it,
And it was a whole thing. I think there was
a whole long game going on. That's my can conspiracy theory. Yeah,
I mean, I'm a human.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
I guess it's just it's infuriating because Dumbledore should have
learned this at the end of order, right, what happens
when Harry doesn't know the full truth and yet again
he keeps the secrets.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
It's just Dumbledore is a liar at his core, as
as we have said, he his heart is often ultimately
eventually in the right place, but his motivations are selfish
because he is. Everything happens because Dumbledore is trying to

(01:58:56):
make up for the shortcomings that happened in his cast period.
Like there's no other reason for him to be so
deeply involved.

Speaker 3 (01:59:06):
Because remember he wanted power with Grindelwald, he was all
about it. He's like wizards at the top, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
I mean, I know that society has sort of put
that power onto him, but you don't have to take it,
and he did take it. Yeah, clear, true, Yeah, I
mean so so a.

Speaker 3 (01:59:26):
Reminder too, like he got there, like Hagrid got baby
Harry there before anyone else. How would we have known
that happened so soon unless he had some more knowledge
going on in there. Yeah, he got there before any
of the oars got there to find serious with the finger,
with all of that, he was in there, scooped up
series' bike before all that happened, sent him on there.
Like there's a lot of stuff in there that's not
exactly making sense unless there was more going on.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Dumbledore is right up there with Snape, as you know,
this is not this is not breaking news, friends, one
of the most complicated characters in this series. Between motivation
and and just motivations alone makes him the most complicated
character in the series. But that's why we like.

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
Talk That's why we like talking about him.

Speaker 2 (02:00:10):
Another another bit with Snape is and I've never noticed
this before, and I don't know why, but Harry says
to Dumbledore, haven't you noticed, Professor that the people Snape
hates tend to end up dead? And there's this direct
parallel in The Prince's Tale where Dumbledore asks Snape, well,
how many people have you seen died? Basically, and Snape's
answer is lately, only those I could not save. But

(02:00:34):
I do have to say it is suspicious that all
of those people are people close to him that he
either hates or loves.

Speaker 3 (02:00:41):
He's just a sad boy. He's a hot topic boy
who never stood a chance. His heart was too big
for this world so much.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
Oh you are? You are an interesting dichonomy, Lauren, No.

Speaker 3 (02:00:55):
I think that it's just because such a powerful wizard,
and when you have power, you're feelings are powerful, your
actions are powerful, and every action you have has a consequence.
So whether you like a person or dislike them, the
people you are in circles with that you are interacting
with are naturally going to have some shenanigans in Sue
where it's going to be life threatening. The circles you keep,
the powers he has, the influence he has. Ultimately, he

(02:01:15):
is one of the smartest and most powerful wizards, so
all of his actions are going to have great consequence,
whether that's bad or good or otherwise.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Yeah, that's true for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
We also at the very end here, I think get
a very interesting kind of dichotomy happening with Harry, where
Dumbledore is treating Harry in some ways like a child
by withholding information, yet he's taking him on this very
dangerous mission. Harry's only upset and acting like a child
because he doesn't have the information, But he even admits
he's like, I think I crossed a line right when

(02:01:46):
he when he's like, you're leaving Hogwarts unattended, And then
he's like, oh, shure, you should have said that, right,
but it's And then we also get at the end
right where they're going on this dangerous mission, and yet
Harry's like, so I don't have an operation license? Are
we operating there? You know, worried about messing it up
for something almost trivial. But then we also get, you know,

(02:02:10):
Harry making plans here at the end where Dumbledore has
said there's extra protection. But as we've talked about many times,
Harry James Potter has not trusted an adult since he
was a year old, and he's not about to start now.
So he goes and sets up his own contingency plans,
and we all we end up again with another line
that is very much the essence of Harry's character, which

(02:02:31):
is he tells ron Hermione, I want to know you
a lot. Are okay if I have to go out there?
My number one concern though, is that you guys.

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
Yeah, he knows every time he leaves that castle he
might have coming back. Even when he's in the castle,
he might be okay.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
Yeah, and which this this line always reminds me too.
There's a there's an episode of psych where Sean is
supposed to choose someone he's supposed to save, and so
he sends Gus to go help one person. He goes
the other way and Gus is like, no, I want
to come with you, and he's like, the only way
I can go I like cannot go help this other

(02:03:08):
person is if I know you're helping.

Speaker 3 (02:03:10):
He's like, don't be a little crook in. It'll be
a little crook in my elbow.

Speaker 1 (02:03:13):
Guess that. And my favorite set of lines is here too,
like oh, I'm gonna be with Dumbledore. Oh I'm with you, Like.

Speaker 3 (02:03:19):
It's why would I be scared? Harry, I'm with you? Okay,
suck but it's cute, but.

Speaker 1 (02:03:23):
Like whatever, yeah, it is cute.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
But again, that's the dichotomy of like treating him like
a child but also an adult. Harry is so on
the cusp here in this chapter, and as soon as
Dumbledore dies, he crosses over that line.

Speaker 4 (02:03:38):
See My tak on Harry and Dumbledore, especially in this conversation,
is that I think at this point double Door Hass,
he's accepted that his time in this world is short.
I think when he realizes what they're about to go
after and where it is and all of these other things,

(02:03:59):
because Dumbledore always knows more than he lets on, I
think he has accepted that this might actually be the
last opportunity he has to teach Harry a very important
life lesson, and that is things are gonna come up
when you have very important work to do, and if
you don't learn how to master your anger, then you're

(02:04:23):
never gonna be able to carry on with what you
have to do in order to get the job done.

Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
So I and also the empathy, Yeah, he has to
master his empathy to do he has to shut off
his emotions, and not just anger, but like also because
he's gonna watch Dumble their suffer and he's like, you're
gonna have to put me through this pain, okay, because
whenever we go in there. Things are gonna get crazy
and you're gonna need to just go through it.

Speaker 4 (02:04:43):
Yeah, I'm not worried that you're gonna die, Harry. I'm
worried that I'm gonna die and you're gonna be around
when it happens, and you're gonna have to find a
way to still do the job. So guess what.

Speaker 3 (02:04:57):
I know you're sixteen, but like, come on, yeah, you
think he I've.

Speaker 4 (02:05:00):
Been through some trauma before. You might just witness one
of the most hard to process things you've ever witnessed
in your life this very night. And if that happens,
I need to know that these horror cruxes are still
gonna get yeaded into the void.

Speaker 3 (02:05:18):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (02:05:19):
So I know you're mad about Snape right now, and
you're yeah, you think you're mad about Snape. Now wait
until you you know, wait until you find out what
really happened there. It's gonna piss you off, buddy. You
gotta do the horror crux thing first.

Speaker 2 (02:05:35):
It would have been more effective that lesson if he
had just told Harry.

Speaker 4 (02:05:40):
Since we're bringing up office moments, the one that I
actually quote the most is not the most obvious. It's
when Oscar Martinez once said there's no theater in that
over over a game of words with friends that he's
not even playing himself.

Speaker 3 (02:05:56):
Listen, Dumbledore is still a theatrical gay at the end
of the day, and he wanted a little drama his
last night.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
Exactly see you said an Oscar quote, and my first
thought was, I consider myself a good.

Speaker 4 (02:06:06):
Parton I'm going to try to make him cry. Actually,
the funny thing is that that quote goes on from
saying there's no theater in that to Pam saying there's
no yelling in that either, and that's exactly what Harry's doing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:21):
I put your name with a couple of fire.

Speaker 4 (02:06:24):
Yeah, I'm the definition of calm right now. Puffs.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
Oh well, friends, I think maybe that is the place
to leave our chapter for today, which means we must
say a thank you and goodbye to our friend Lauren
for joining us. Thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 3 (02:06:42):
Thank you for having me. It was so fun.

Speaker 4 (02:06:45):
You have been an exemplary guest like we need to.
I don't know if we I don't know if we've
got enough episodes left to have you back again, but
I would personally enjoy it. Let's bring you back on
another Dumbledore chapter.

Speaker 3 (02:06:57):
If we've got one of those, find on this podcast
or whatever you guys do next, I'll find you.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
I'll it's a deal. Something else to talk about and
tell our listeners actually where they can find you online
in the meantime.

Speaker 3 (02:07:11):
Everywhere incorrect, Harry Potter. I'm on all the things at that.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
Great and folks, you know I found Lauren, and I
think your content is very funny and very real, and
obviously you prove today that that's just who you are
as person. So congratulations on being an authentic online personality,
because most people aren't what I think.

Speaker 2 (02:07:33):
I should go back on my tumbler and see if
I follow in correct, Harry Potter, because I swear I
followed something like that when I was last.

Speaker 4 (02:07:41):
Double door stands need not apply unless you want to,
unless you want to.

Speaker 3 (02:07:46):
Right, unless you want me to make fun of you,
and that's what you're into. That that's fine, cool, dope cool.

Speaker 4 (02:07:54):
The next time we gather in these hallowed halls to
discuss a chapter from this series, we'll be talking about
Order of the Phoenix chapter nineteen, The Lion and the Serpent,
So make sure you stretch your quidditch muscles. Because of
all the quidditch matches in the series, this one has

(02:08:14):
got some very very interesting things to talk about.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
Is that Luna commentary? Is that chef?

Speaker 4 (02:08:20):
No, that's no, no, no, no no, that's that's in
Half Blood Prints or Lion and the Serpent is the
one where they introduce us to the greatest diss track
of all time. Weasley is our king?

Speaker 1 (02:08:32):
Ah great, excellent, I'm here for it, can't wait.

Speaker 2 (02:08:36):
And if you want to follow us on pretty much
any social media outlet, you can find us at alohomore
MN or on Facebook at Open the Dumbledore and make
sure that you subscribe, save and share this episode with
everyone you have ever met so that they can join
us in I like that phrasing in these hallowed.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
Halls, Yes, and that friends has been Episode fifty nine
of the Final one hundred. I'm Kat, I'm out, and
I'm Jeff.

Speaker 4 (02:09:01):
Thank you for listening to episode four hundred and fifty
nine of Aloham.

Speaker 2 (02:09:06):
Just now and you let him teach here and he
opened the double door.

Speaker 5 (02:09:25):
Aloha Mora is produced by Tracy Dunstan. This episode was
edited by Catherine Lewis. Alohamra was co created by Noah
Freed and Kat Miller and is brought to you by
APWB d LLC.

Speaker 1 (02:09:47):
The Room of Requirement has one specific They wrote incarnation,
but obviously it's incantation. Just very funny, the Room of
Hidden Things where everybody's been hiding their stuff for centuries.

Speaker 2 (02:10:01):
No incarnation is right.

Speaker 4 (02:10:02):
Yeah, incarnation feels right.

Speaker 1 (02:10:04):
Oh, you're right, it is. I guess I was thinking
incantation like what they were saying, to try to get
in the room. But you're right, buy it anyway.

Speaker 2 (02:10:12):
Incarnation, yeah, like one version of it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:15):
Yeah, I'll just start over the Room of Requirement. You
don't have to cut that out, though, you can leave
it in. I don't mind.

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