HBP, 9 Revisit: Automatic Sass

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
This is episode four hundred and sixty four of the
Loka Mora for August ninth, twenty and twenty five. Welcome, Welcome,

(00:38):
everyone to another episode of Aloha Mora, the fandom's original
Harry Potter book Club. I'm Kat Miller, I'm Katherine Lewis.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
And I'm Alison Siggard. And this week we are joined
by our special guest, who is Angela, who you may
know as Cozy Magic with Ange. Hi. Welcome you here.
Tell us a little bit about yourself, your kind of
how you got into Harry Potter, your Hogwarts House, all

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of those good fun things.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah, I mean, so going back, like, of course fell
in love with all of it. When the books and
the movies came out. My older brother started reading the books,
and I wasn't quite old enough and wanted to be
you know, I was that little sister that wanted to
keep up with big brother. But then finally when I

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was able to read them all, and then of course,
like the movies were just such a big part of
our family, you know, we always went to see them
when they came out.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I dressed up as a little Harmione.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Because I had wild, bushy hair, and so yeah, it's just,
you know, always been a big part of my life.
I think my passion for the series really came back
up when I started doing this Instagram stuff, started doing
my cozy magic, and then also discovering that I was

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a huffle Puff through Hogward's legacy. And yeah, I just
love like giving the Helpful Puff that representation because I
feel like we don't get.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
That, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
I feel like it's like the least amount of people
in Helpful Puff where, you know, not like the loudest.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
So I just want to I want to bring that.
I'm just thinking.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Very like bold and proud, you know, and those Hufflepuffs
are like, we're here.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Too, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
I will and yell so that you can hear me
real good.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Okay, do you which book is your favorite?

Speaker 2 (02:55):
The Halfwood Prince.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Oh well, then this is a perfect chapter for you
today because we're discussing the chapter, the chapter title, the
title chapter are the words that I meant of blood Prince,
Chapter nine, to have blood prints? How many times can
we say have blood prints in thirty seconds?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Anyway?

Speaker 1 (03:14):
We first, we are going to say it a lot.
The first time we discussed this chapter was way back
on episode one, twenty seven. What's that Smell from March
twenty fifteen with Eric, Michael, Rosie and Laura. So it's
been over ten years. Cool, nice, Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

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It's a good one. It's a good fun.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
That is not referring to the song oohll but no
to be I don't think I know, I know it's
referred to what you anyway? Okay, oh my goodness. The
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Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yay, thank you Caroline.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah Oberlander, what a bad a last name?

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yeah, it's it's pretty great. It's pretty great. Yeah, okay.
Oh and Angela, you don't seem like a sweary person,
but on the show, just so you know the book,
that's what reminded me to say, I'm here, that is fine. No,

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I have control, I do. I'll swear all the time,
So I'm gonna say if it slips out, that's okay,
just do your best.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Great cool, all right, let's jump in. Yeah, hit that
one of my contacts has been doing. Thanks, so I'm
sorry if I'm like anyway, wait.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Wait, she's just trying to be sexy today. Win us.
It's the new hair. Three turns should do it?

Speaker 5 (05:33):
Chapter revisit.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Chopped denied the Hall Blonde.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
After an eventful Hogwarts Express ride, the school year starts
in earnest ron Flex is a bit of his upperclassman
status while reveling in the supper free time they'll have
this year in stark contrast to Hermione's strict rule following
and test preparation Views with Owl results in everyone finds
out their new level timetables, and Neville gets a little

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self confidence boost. For McGonagall, their first defense against the
Dark Arts lesson with Snape ends in one of the
greatest comeback lines ever conceived, but Harry only gets out
of trouble thanks to Dumbledore. Meanwhile, a contest in Slulhorn's
First Potions lesson leads to Harry taking a big risk
that has a fantastic payout character building, and hints at

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the mysteries of the book to come. All coalesce on
one thing. Who is the half Blood Prince?

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Very nice? So good.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I love when we get to talk about title chapters.
So I just feel like they bring us something a
little extra special because as you're reading it, you're like, okay, this,
why is this the name of the book, and you're
thinking about it the whole time, and I mean, we
don't get it. As Alison just said, it's like the
last four words of the chapter three words is half blood?

(07:05):
Technically two words or one word dash?

Speaker 6 (07:08):
One word with a dash, hyphen hyphenated, make it hyphenated,
will make it one word?

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay, So the last three words of the chapter. Okay,
this is a fun one. This is a fun one. Also,
that iconic line that you hinted at one Muggle, that's
March Madness. When we did it was like the best
sassy lines in the books.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, that one one, because it's amazing. There's actually a
lot in here, though not just about the half blood prince,
so that's really setting us up for everything else that
comes in this book, which is fascinating to.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Me, excellent starting at the very beginning.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
With the very beginning, we start with these theories that
Harry has about Malfoy that he started thinking about in
the last chapter after what he overheard on the train
to school and Hermione kind of dismisses, She's like, no,
he wouldn't do that. Ron is kind of holding to

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his theory that like, oh, you know, Malfoy's just showing
off for a girl, which is interesting because of everything
that's gonna happen with Ron in this chapter, there is
a lot, so it is kind of funny that, you
know that we get all these the hints about Malfoy
in this chapter. We also start this chapter with a

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lot of interesting things about kind of like power structures
and the fact that now they're they're really technically upper classmen.
Ron is a little bit of a prat will be real,
but he also does a very nice thing here when
he yells at these like first year second years, when

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he stands up for Harry because they're like whispering and
talking about Harry behind his back, and so he's like, hey, no,
haven't you ever heard it's word to stare, which is
very on brand for Ron.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, he always has his back. You know that's wrong,
but yeah, I do love just just that, Like it
just reminds you when you were like a junior and
senior in high school and you're like, I'm the top
dog now, Like, look at these little freshmen, you know.
It's just like that's absolutely what they're feeling right now.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
And I maintained that having to climb out of a
little hole to leave the Gryffin door common room is
the most impractical way to leave a room ever. I
like that they changed in the movies and made it
just a walk in, But every time they're like they
clambered through, they climbed through, they crawled through. It's like
it why it's so impractical.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
I can't the extra effort of the Gryffindors. Yeah, I
wonder it doesn't even make sense to make it hard.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
I've always assumed when they talk about like clambering or
like climbing in, it's because the ledge is higher, Like
it's not a small little hole. But it's it's like
it's just the ledge up higher because it's behind a portrait,
so it's more than they have to.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Like sure, regardless, who wants to crawl through a hole?

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I mean, I guess.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Gryffin.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
You know that sounds more like a little badger and
burrowing in a hole.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
You know, exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Exactly, we have our own little burrowing hole. I don't know,
maybe that is part movie influencing me, but yeah, that
is You're right though, it's a little impractical.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
To be like, so it's dumb. It's dumb.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yeah, But I also this is this is just a
side note because they're talking about their class schedules and
they're talking about like free periods they'll have or something. Listen,
I recently, somewhat recently learned that in the UK when
you have their big exams, they have like a two
week span where they don't have class they just can

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study for their exams. And I'm like, what are we
doing America? Do we not do this?

Speaker 4 (11:09):
Private schools to do that to teach to the test,
so why would they have to?

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Well, but it's like it's it's more of like because
they're big, like GCSEs and A levels rates are like
big comprehensive tests of everything you've learned. So and we
kind of do that. But I'm like, why aren't we anyway,
that was a side note from my teacher.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
But they would be studying.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Yeah, I mean the private school, I work out we
do that.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Really you take time off for them just to study.
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I don't think it's two weeks. I think it's the
week before. But yeah, it's nice.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
School would ever study? That would be like spring break?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Well, there's there's honestly, yeah, there's there's just no time
in the schedule. Is the biggest thing is like, yeah,
I got too much curriculum?

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah, I guess that's the big difference between public and
private school is that private school has a curriculum, but
not in the same way that a public school wood
or does. I mean my school does trimesters, so we have,
you know, three semesters, cool trimesters whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
So we also get this little bit of Hermione taking
this thinged Frisbee, which part of me was like, well,
what is she supposed to do with this anyway? Like,
are they supposed to like deliver them to filter something?
If they if these prefix are like confiscating stuff. What
do they do with.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, I guess just take it to filter. You know,
Ron would probably just keep it for himself, you know.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
Well he does.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
I would think, like as a teacher, I give it
back at the end of the day. But or if
it was something like a fang frisbee, i'd give it
to a parent.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
But yeah, school, right, there's no parents school.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, you know, I guess. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
I mean, do you give it to McGonagall? Do you
give it? Like I don't know. I just feel like
the first place, like a fanged frisbee, I feel like
that would suck to catch what if it like.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
It looks like a saw, like you know, with teeth
around the edge of it, Like how do you catch it?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
And like why, you know, what's the fun in that?
I don't know. Maybe the point isn't to just play
regular frisbee with it. Maybe it's to do exactly what
Ron is doing and let it go around the room
eating things.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Yeah. Maybe maybe that's why their band is because like
people like here, I'm gonna throw this out.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Yeah, They're just meant for destruction. It's kind of like
the biting tea cup, Like what's the point. I know
it's supposed to be like a joke, but like if
it bit my nose, like I'm gonna be mad. That's
not funny. That's out like that hurts, which I know
they fix it fast. Anyway, I don't get it either,
that was the point.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Sorry, I don't know something we're missing here.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
And yeah, exactly that funny? How is that funny?

Speaker 1 (14:22):
We're just such muggles we don't get it obviously.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Maybe we're also just such adults. Maybe we're just not
teenager anymore. So that's why.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, I mean I feel like kids like back in
the day would do stupid stuff like what was that
like little slapping thing where you're like slapping each other's hands,
you know, Like I don't know, that's just like a
thing kids do, like and bite your nose though, Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I've definitely seen kids who have like full slapping competitions.
I think it's funny, so I guess that's right. I
don't know, it's weird. Yeah, brain's not developed at.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Its now now since that's like a trendy or whatever.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Oh well, don't don't even get me started anyway. Speaking
of teenage brains, we get a very also subtle hint
at some of the romantic developments that will be occurring
in this book. But it is a very subtle thing

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here where Lavender just starts giggling at something that Ron says.
And it made me think that it's fascinating because I
think we see in this book that Lavender and her
attention really seems to enhance Ron's worst qualities, which he
very much does not need right in this way if

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she like giggles at his not great things that he
does and says, but she does really give him a
lot of positive attention and she really boosts his ego.
So it very much makes sense that he's going to
go along with this and like go for her until

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he realizes all that entails and he's like, actually, this
is not what I want.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Well, she's also a popular girl, she's got a lot
of friends. I mean, she's described as very pretty and
all of that. So yeah, that's a total huge boost
to his ego. And for someone like Ron, who, as
we will learn in the next book, has a lot
of problems with confidence and ego, I mean we already
know that, but you know what I mean, Yeah, that
would that would be important for him to have somebody

(16:35):
like that, And yeah, he has to learn the lesson that,
oh maybe that's not actually what I want or what
I like or what I need.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
So yeah, sometimes you get to learn that only by
going through it. Yeah, the worst way to learn, but
also it's a more permanent way to learn.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Ron is very much the type who seems to learn
by doing more than.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
That's very true.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
He's got to make a lot of misions.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Too, like what what about that? Let us know that?
How did Ron know that Lavender was laughing at him,
like giggling at what he said? Was there nobody else around,
like anything there to let us know that she was?
Like he just assumed she was laughing at her him. Yeah,

(17:21):
well Harry is no joke could have been Harry, how
do we How does he know?

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Well, they're in the they're in the common room, right,
so almost nobody else there in.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
The they're just outside of the portrait hole, right.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
That's when the boy fell down.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
And then Hermione, Yeah, and Hermione is like gonna tell
Ron off because he says, excellent, I've always wanted one
of these, and he takes the thing for his bee
and then so she must be she must be right
behind them, because it says she continued to laugh as
she passed them, glancing at Ron, glancing back at Ron
over her shoulder. So I guess that's looking for then.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah, huge, Yeah exactly, just wait
for my line.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Later he's like, you haven't heard anything, right, right? No breakfast,
And at breakfast they McGonagall comes down, as apparently is routine,
to start handing out their new timetables with their classes

(18:37):
and they go through what they're taking this sixth year.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
I mean that that also seems impractical to me. How
do you show up on the first day of school
not knowing what classes you're taking? Why isn't that something
that's done over the summer.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
I don't know if they don't know for sure, because
obviously they have to have had like their and so
so I think it's more of just like confirmation of
what at this level of what they want to take.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, well, I think there's I think the booklets is
for the compulsory classes, like there are things that you
have to take, right, Like you.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Know he was going to be able to take potions.
He didn't have the books and stuff, you know, but
everybody else did.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, but that was because Snape's requirement.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, I mean I think like everybody else being prepared
is like plot. It just seems really odd to me.
I wouldn't want to show up to my first day
of senior year, say, because this is essentially their senior year,
and not know what classes I'm taking and just assume

(19:57):
that I can take the classes that I wanted. Yeah,
it is weird.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
There is, to some extent a little bit of that.
Like our kids don't get their final schedules until the
first day of school, and there's still we I mean,
at least the school I work out, we have like
a it's like a three week period where schedules can change,
and so if kids are swapping a different class or

(20:22):
or going from one level to another, that happens. So
I think this is more happening though. Yeah. I think
this is more happening though, just for like the six
and seventh years, because I think everything just.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah, which again and they I mean if.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
And it does sound more like it's more of like
a confirmation of like, yes, these are the these are
the classes you're going to take, here's the schedule.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
I mean, I guess. But Neville showed up, you know,
wanting to take defense against the dark art, I mean
trans figuration, So he probably bought all the stuff for that,
and then McGonagall was like, no, take charms, and so
Neville had none of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Does it get a refund you know for those books?

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Anybody else need this book?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
And is there a limit? You know, is there a
student limit? So let's say that everybody in the now
the sixth Theater wants to take care of magical creatures?
I mean, can they have well, if you go by
the authors, whatever, can you have what's a thousand divided
by seven? Can you have, however many students that is
in one session? You know what I mean? Because like

(21:37):
it seems like there's only one new class per subject
per day and the except for divination. Yeah, I don't know.
The whole thing just seems a little it seems a
little wonky to me. I mean, I know, it's plot
again so that we can have this moment where McGonagall
goes through and is talking about here are the classes
you're going to take, and Hermione you get these, and

(21:59):
Neville you get and and you know whatever, this this
chatter is just full as impracticalities. Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
My other question comes in, like how many classes they
do take? Because like Hermione, yes takes seven classes total, right, Yes, Charms,
Defense against the Dark Arts, Transfiguration, Herbology, arihythmesy, Ancient Rooms,
and potions. So it's harmioning us seven. But Neville, we know,
only has three. Right. He has Herbology, which, by the way,

(22:31):
go Neville. He got an own hermology Defense against the
Dark Arts, which got a little emotional over because we
all know this is due to Harry and probably loopin
in third year and Charms, and I'm like that can't
be enough classes, can it?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's what I'm saying, man, Like, how do you how
how how does that happen? I don't know. Yeah, it's
not super clear.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Yeah, I mean all those that all these people are taking,
that other people are taking, and then you've got care
magical creatures that literally no one I mean, like I
get it. In the last couple of episodes we've discussed
Hagrid and his uh lack of abilities, but like, I
don't know, like that am I missing somebody that we said?

(23:15):
Because we know Neville was really good at herbology, which yeah,
but like, was there nobody that the author talked about
that was really good at magical creatures or did we
just focus only on the fact that Hagrid almost let
students die.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Or not that I remember, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Anybody, at least in Harry's ear that's specifically.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Like I mean Charlie, but yeah, yeah, I mean I
was gonna say Luna, But I guess that's maybe more
like do they really talk about.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
Like, isn't that a hufflepuff quality? Magical creatures? Not quality,
but like the thing that goes with them, herbology, magical creatures, new.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
You know, fantastic beasts is you know, I don't know,
they don't really talk about anyone and Harry's year.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
Yeah, I feel like Neville would maybe I missed that.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Neville seems like the type that would be I feel
like he should have been into care magical creatures.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I think Neville would be too nervous. I think magical
creatures are a little too unpredictable. Plants are, That's.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
True, the nimbless Mimbletonia or whatever that explodes and then yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
But that's so different. I think that's not going to
like attack.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
You screaming man drags that will kill you.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
But that's different. I think there's a little bit more
control he feels over plants.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Maybe then he chooses when he pulls them out of
the pot versus you know.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Speaking of Neville, though, this bit with McGonagall is just
the sweetest thing where she praise his novel, specifically about
the ministry right, and also she gives this dick at
his grandmother, which is just like, how did you know this?
She's so much older than you? Transfiguration nude.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
I always think the same thing. I'm like, she just
knows everything.

Speaker 4 (25:22):
I guess it's amazing that she was willing to stand
in the gap for him and literally write it, mail
it and give her a sick burn man.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Like As a teacher, I I I wanted to be
that teacher that was like for the kid, and I
didn't typic. I was a music teacher, so typically I
did not have parents that were like my child, da
da dat. You know, it was never anything negative because
it's freaking music, you guys. You know, what are you

(25:55):
going to say other than the students that didn't pass
in music because they hit people like the only way
you get a bad grade in music is if you
hit people or you throw my instruments, like that's pretty
much it, you know, even not paying attention, Like I'll
still get you a passing grade, you know, but you
know you'll fail if you started hitting people. But I
don't know. I always wanted to be that teacher that
was like, I will stand up for you if I

(26:18):
know you're in the right, no matter what. And I
wanted a teacher like that growing up. And I think
a lot of us. Whatever profession you went into, it
was like the thing that you wish you had when
you were a kid, and then you strive to become
that that is. That was definitely me, but maybe not
as like Stern and composed obviously as Professor McDonald all

(26:43):
but like in a more like music teacher version, all
crazy but like fun crazy, yeah, happy crazy, but also
will go to battle for you, okay because I love
you and you're awesome and you deserve better. And there
we go, do it l too, Allison.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Did you say that Augusta's older than McGonagall. I think
you're right, isn't she can't be so if even unless
like so McGonagall, unless you somehow believe that like she
was actually in like her thirties, in the twenties or whatever,
which fantastic. Okay, yeah, yeah, so McGonagall is okay, So

(27:25):
Dumbledore's like one hundred and ten, Mcgonagall's gotta be somewhere
in the like eighties, if.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
You're right, because she would have taught she would have
taught Frank and Alice in that hole.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Right, So Frank and Alice would rite so twenty, they'd
be like, Frank would be in like their thirties, So
you'd have to assume Augusta's fifty or sixty. So McGonagall
probably had Augusta as a student. I would assume maybe
on the cusp, Yeah, somewhere in there.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
I can't do mad, Yeah, no, you're right.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I also can't do math.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
It's because you hear the word grandmother and you think
seventies eighties, like that's how old they are. But she
and also the description of her clothing makes her seem
way older than that. Yeah, I think we have to assume.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
That she is. Like that was just a style choice.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
It definitely was just a style choice.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah, baller, I.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Don't know if that's the word I would use, ball
but it was a choice, Yeah, it was a choice. Yeah.
So aside from Neville's three classes, who else has what?

Speaker 2 (28:38):
So we find out that we don't get very many
of them, but her body we find out has divination obviously,
and she's upset that she doesn't get Farrenzi this year,
which I because I was just like, we all are
all charge. We also find out that she's in their

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defense in the Dark Arts class. Harry and Ron both
have Charms defense against the Dark Art's Typology, Transfiguration, and Potions,
which means they each have five classes. And Ron notes
that they have three feet free periods, so that means
there's about eight periods a day or so that they have,
which I which I found interesting. That's probably about typical

(29:23):
for most like secondary schools. So but again, then if
Nevill's only taking three classes, what is he doing the
rest this day?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, yeah, I don't think they have each class every day. Yeah,
I think it's probably like a block schedule, especially because
they talk about later having it it's a double potions lesson.
So but yeah, Neville has a crapple a ton of
free time.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, I don't know, he's just spending a bunch of
time in the greenhouse. I guess I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, maybe research.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
So if they have only three to five classes, I
wonder if they do, like in science, you have labs,
so it's like it's not extra credit work, but it
is like more work for the same subject. I wonder
if he's only got three classes, so if he does

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like an extra hour or two a day of extra
work in the greenhouse or extra work on what else
is he taken? I don't remember, but like does extra yes,
behind the scenes, you know, you go into defense of
the Dark arts and you practice these six spells on Yes,

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you know, like you have I mean work that's like homework.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
But that's.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Implies, right, because Ron's like we're gonna have full periods
where we have nothing to do, right.

Speaker 5 (30:57):
I guess he's like out of a though, you know, there's.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
There is probably definitely, especially for something like herbology, there's
there's definitely probably more of a of a like practical aspect,
and then you've probably got time where it's like here's
your theoretical and now here's your practical and and I'm
sure if he's working with more dangerous more advanced plants,
they probably take more time. Yeah yeah, or if you

(31:24):
think about that, like that the snuffle pods or whatever
that they do later in this whatever where they have
to like dive into the stump.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Yeah, crazy, Maybe he's like that.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
I'll look at that later. I'm sorry, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
It's one of the ones they do later in this
book where they just think, yeah, there's that too.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Those are upper level, yeah, upper level.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah. But that's interesting though, because there's there's probably some
differentiation in the class because like Harry Ron Hermione are
also taking that herbology class.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
But they have classes the can't.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Necessarily be like required extra stuff because there will be
kids like Hermione who were taking seven classes.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
And literally can't. Yeah yeah, unless you have a time turner.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Right right, I'll destroyed. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Side note, total side note. I read a theory yesterday
that said that the reason why Dumbledore, and I'm sure
you'll have heard it, I'm sorry, but the reason why
Dumbledore knows everything that's gonna happen is because he the
first time around, the chosen One was Neville, and he
saw how everything played out and how it was supposed

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to go and everything ended in Voldemort won. So he
used a time turner and went back and made sure
that Harry was the chosen one because he knew that
was the only other option.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
That is wild, that one, and.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
That's why he knew the things that had to happen.

Speaker 5 (33:10):
Nuts.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
See, I don't know if I buy into that, just
because there's so much in this series that's about choice,
and it was.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Its specifically, but when you're the chosen one, that you
choose the other.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Boy, it's specifically it's it's Voldemort's choice. But if you
take he made out.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
Of the scenario and he doesn't have the choice to
choose Neville, I think.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
He's still I would have gone with Harry, though, because
it's also the choice to do what he does.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
What if he didn't choose Harry the first time? Anyway,
I'm gonna cut that, Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
No, No, I.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Think I've never thought about that.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
But no, no, Shade, whoever came up with that. But
I think you might need to read the books again.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Didn't worry that or I need much more evidence to
support why you're saying.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
That, Yeah, because I feel like canonically there's nothing.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Makes mistakes too, Like.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, it's definitely not a smooth sailing.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Second time, exactly same how it was supposed to go
the second. Maybe I'm just kidding, but continue.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, the internet has lots of crazy theories, Yeah it does,
including them from this show.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Well, yeah, we come up with you in our time,
not crazy people. Katie Bell, who was the last remaining
member of Harry's original quidditch team, which is kind of
sweet and kind of sad, especially if you're me, holds

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that original team very very dear to you.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Hold Oliver very dear, but the whole team. You know
that he chose that team, So who chose what team?

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Oliver chose that original team, so it's still his team
even though he's not this his spirit lived on.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I kind of laughed a little bit though, because I
was like, we talk about the main characters a lot
and what other houses they might fit into. But I
was like, Katie here feels like she could almost be
a hufflepuff with how it determined. She is to like,
it's not fair if you just put me on the
team with how to tryout, because I've been here for
a long time, you know, And I was like, what

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a very hufflepuff thing to say? Katie.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, that's very true. I never thought about that, like
I could see that, you know, and then Ron it
is so funny, just like, oh uh, which is.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Funny because Ron is one that I think, at least
I think Ron's kind of secondary house is Hufflepuff, and
so it's funny how uncomfortable he is about this.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
For him, it was for him.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I don't think she means it that way.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
I think she was.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
I think she was just saying she meant it that
way basically, like.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
She was just saying it just like Ron just happened
to be there, you know. Yeah, but I could see that,
like she's like, hey, don't just let your.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Friends in, you know, wink wink Ron.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Yeah, speaking of Allison's contact, wink wink, don't just let
your friends in.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
No. I I never got that she was she was
making a dig at Ron. I thought that was just
like legitimately.

Speaker 7 (36:45):
He even looked back at it too, She said, I
got to read that again and make sure.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
That indicates to me that she's making a dig at Ron,
Like she's just like careful, like you can't just go
buy what you know, you know, but there's there's so
much really like juicy ron characterization in this chapter that
I think is kind of surprising. I mean, we've got
holy with the thanged Frisbee and Lavender that we talked about,

(37:13):
we have this moment, we have some that come later.
It's it's a weirdly raw and heavy chapter for not
being about Ron.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yeah, I think the book overall, just like you see, Ron,
I don't know, developed with just like you know, starting
to date Lavender. He's getting more of an ego with
quidditch stuff. You know.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Is that why this is your favorite book? Uh?

Speaker 2 (37:39):
No?

Speaker 3 (37:42):
I mean I love Ron, but you know, he's not
like up there with favorite characters.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Guy.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
No, I am wearing a Weasley sweater you can't see.
But I mean I just love you know. I mean
I almost feel like this is side railing a little bit.
But like just Jenny, you know, we see a lot
of her in this book too, and so I think
that's a big reason why I love this book.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
You know, cool you see the book? Yeah the movie?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, they're different.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
Right, Yes, you see Jenny with a personality.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Here there's Jenny and then there's Geneva. Yeah that's funny.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
So they go to their first lesson, their first Defense
against the Dark Arts lesson with Snape. Oh boy, Angela,
what are your views on Snape? Lot's establish that before
we get into this.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Because I'm gonna say it just right here and blunt.
I don't like Snape at all. Never liked him. I've
never understood people that like him.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Just gotta say it.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Thing.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
The only other episode I've ever been on was an
episode with Laurie Kim. She literally wrote a book on
the guy, so she just you know, she just thinks
he's misunderstood, which I think she's one of the ones,
so there you go, because.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
She shold a lot of books.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
You know.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
It's just.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
He's just not a he's a Teacher's.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
The teacher that you don't want to be.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, and he's like right after umbradge, you know, like amen,
Like I would read that class every day unless I
was a slizerin you.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Know, yes, yes, And I love that she says it. Yeah,
even the.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Way he just walks in in this first lesson, I'm like,
what a dramatic Emai manchild like.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
The room, Yeah, like yeah, no, he's he's the worst.
And it is you know interesting. You know, we've got
this switch where he's finally defense against the Dark Arts.
You know, that's especially what's so fun about this chapter,

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you know, is we've been waiting for this, you know,
he's been waiting for this.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
I do have to say I did notice this. I've
never noticed this before, but when I was reading this,
this kind of first day speech he does here is
very similar to the one he does in Potions in
Sorcerer's Shelm, But Harry's inner dialogue here, and Harry's reaction
is much more negative, right, because that animosity has been

(40:46):
so established in Sorcerer's Stone. He's more just confused, right,
He's like, what is happening right now? And why is
he coming after me?

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Right? He hates him just as much as Snake pats him,
you know.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yes, absolutely, And so we get this this kind of
monologue where Snape says the Dark Arts are many, varied,
ever changing and eternal. Fighting them is like fighting a
many headed monster which, each time a neck is severed,
spreads ahead even fiercer and cleverer than before. Which I

(41:19):
laughed a little bit because I was like, side note,
that's called a hydras, Snape, And no wonder you sucked
at trying to teach about dark creatures in their third year.
You don't know what you're talking about anyway, And then
he can did is you are fighting that which is unfixed, mutating, indestructible.
Your defenses must therefore be as flexible and inventive as

(41:39):
the arts you seek to undo, like such a Do
you think.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
He said those words like you you said those words?
Do you think Snape said those words with loving caress? Yes?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah, because he's dramatic.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
You're fighting that which is unfixed, mutating, indestructible.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yes, yes, yeah, you think he's in it? Yes, because
he's a dramatic eloy.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
And like the dramaticness. He's got paintings of of all
the like curses on the walls, like do we think
where do we think he got these from? Like where
they lining his bedroom walls.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
He's like the state of my soul torture.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
He's about that life. It's just like this is what
I go to sleep to every night. Yes, Cruciato, I
love it beautiful. Had these been rolled up in the
back of his office, like waiting for the day that
someone dies in the line of duty and he has
to come take over.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
He got him from filch Oh.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Those were confiscated.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Yeah, maybe, yeah, because.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Maybe they were. They used to be like popular, and
they were on the wall and then somebody was like,
this is creepy, get them away. But philters holding on
to them with his chains.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
That he kept the torture. Yeah, he was too.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
So he's like, ooh, ideas Bilt probably is like when
he looks at it, and I was like, I long.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
To be as rude and mean as you teach me
your ways.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Probably, I don't know, maybe.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Not, that's just me. The dramatic loud huffle pump continue
go on.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
So he brings out at one point one of these
pictures is about in fear.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
I is that how you say that out loud?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
That's how I've always said it. I don't know how
to say it in fear? Iyary in fury?

Speaker 4 (43:53):
When do we know that Voldemort was using the Infurious
and fear? However you say it? Do we know the
time was it written?

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I feel like it's not this book?

Speaker 4 (44:06):
Yeah yeah, but he just like so casually drops it
like which we knew the dark Lord used? Do we do?

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:16):
You know?

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Dumbldore mentions it right.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Dumbledore mentions it at the beginning of this book because
Harry asks him what they are because he's confused, and
I think they were, And I mean, it's obviously setting
up what's going to happen at the Lake at the
end of the book. So I think they're a newer
invention for this book specifically. And that's why we get

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this mention as well, because we had the thing with
Dumbledore at the beginning explaining what they are. We're reinforcing
them here and then they're going to come up later again.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
So we're supposed to assume that everybody in the Wizarding
World already knows they've been used in the past the war.
Harry just doesn't know because he was there.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I mean, I think that's a really I mean, I
think it sounds like they're not They weren't super common,
but I think that's a decent assumption assumption to me.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Yeah, they all know what that is.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
They probably know how to say it too.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, and fear I are also going to come up
with another great comeback? Where is it Harriers at Ron
who says, what are we supposed to ask them? Are
you excuse me? Are you the imprint of a departed
soul or ghost? Start transparent? Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
I do like fighting them on the Harry Potter Hogwarts Legacy. Yeah,
they're pretty hard. You can only kill them with fire.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
I always think they're an annoying to deal in the game.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:48):
They do pop up out of nowhere. You're like, who
is hitting me?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Oh yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:51):
And like I said, like you had to use fire
and you're like, I don't know. They just they just
try to, you know, climb all over you and you're like,
come on, get get off.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Yeah, that's creepy and they can take over you real quick.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Well that's creepy. Speaking of people taking over, they start
their lesson with non verbal spells and I was like, listen.
So he says, what is non like, what are nonverbal spells?
In hermione you know, hand up and she gives the
definition and I was like, listen, snape. She knows the

(46:27):
exact definition from the book.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
He says.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, And he's like, well that's correct and essentials and
I'm like, what else do you want from her?

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Like okay, yeah, so I I have I have a
whole I have a whole point about this that I was.
I I debated about where to put in the episode,
and I think this is the right place because we
just talked about Snape's monologue at the beginning, and then
this is another example. And then the throwback comment that
I think must have been Allison that pulled was another example. So,

(47:01):
first off, I think part of the reason that Snape
doesn't like Hermione so much, I think it has very
little to do with Harry and the fact that she's
kind of a know at all. I think it's because
she's the exact type of learner that Snape thinks is inferior.
So in his little monologue he specifically says, your defenses

(47:23):
must therefore be as flexible and inventive as the arts
you seek to undo. Those two words flexible and inventive
could never be used to describe Hermione. Ever. Hermione is
a buy the books, memorize the work, do it that way,
and Snape's learning style is much different. It's much more fluid.

(47:45):
We see in a few minutes when they start going
through the Potions book that you know Snape is taking
in the content as much more of a guide than
you know, Harden set rules, and so their learning styles
are completely different. And I think that's part of why
Snape is like, well, yeah, sure, I guess your answer

(48:07):
is technically correct. However, you aren't understanding the nuance of this,
and Hermione is not great at nuance. She is the
girl who memorizes the book, regurgitates it, and you know,
Slughorn loves it. Slughorn loves it. He's like, yep, this
is great, it's perfect, it's wonderful. Whatever. But I'm curious.

(48:29):
You know, there's not going to be an answer here,
but I'd like to discuss it. Which method do you
think leads to a wizard who is more well rounded,
who is more practiced. And I would argue that that
is Snape in every sense I the word, I.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Think I disagree with you slightly. And I think it's
that Hermione always starts her basis in the book, but
it's more like Hermione gathers tools to some degree, and
then she figures out how those tools work together. And
Hermione has more trust and authority, I think. And I

(49:07):
think that's part of Snape's arrogance. Is that, and that's
why he does things like change the things in the
Advanced Potion Making Book, is because Snape has that arrogance.
If he thinks he knows best all the time. Hermione,
I think, likes to know, Okay, here's how to do
it right. And I'm gathering these different tools so that

(49:30):
I can use them in a situation right. And and
I don't know if one is necessarily better than the other.
I think they're just different. But I do think it's
it's a show of personality almost more where it very
much shows Snape's arrogance and it very much shows Hermione's

(49:51):
more trust in authority.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
I think Hermione's type style is potentially more of a
because if she learns everything that there is to know
about something and then she goes to do it or
tackle it, she already knows the mistakes that other people
have made and have tried more than likely. And when
we see people like Snape, we were saying that you

(50:18):
have to do it to like learn it or for
it to like make sense to you in your own head,
you have to actually do the thing. Think about how
many times he had to try seven counterclockwise, one clockwise,
and how many times he messed that potion up or
messed up or didn't make it as quickly or as

(50:40):
efficiently or as whatever. How many times he had to
go through all those things to learn those, whereas her mind,
which I think they're both very useful because Hermione's type
style would have read a book about Snape's mishaps and
then she would have been like, Okay, now I know
what not to do. I'm gonna go do what not

(51:01):
to like, I'm gonna do that so that I know
what not to do. But you have to have the
Snapes that know and have learned what not to do
to be able to have the Hermionees. I think I
think they they joined together and.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Also to do what Snape says about, like your defenses
have to be varied and different. You have to have
that kind of base of knowledge that Hermione has, right, right,
you have to have You've got to know more than
one spell to defend yourself. Harry, I think you would disagree,

(51:35):
you know, to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
So yeah, I think he made a combo differently, like
I don't know if one is better than the other,
you know. I think just having that combo and then
like this just kind of reminds me of like going
into what Hermione says late in the chapter about how
Harry is actually very similar to Snape in the way

(51:58):
that he gave his speech, you know, so hairy Harry
is kind of has that Snape like not following the
book exactly. He's kind of just going his way and
figuring it out, you know. And that's why Harry and
Hermione like work well together when they're figuring out stuff,
you know, just having that like combo.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Yes, yeah, I have. I have two follows. But I
want to read that quote that you just mentioned because
that was part of my I don't want to say argument,
part of the discussion here. Hermione says to Harry, you
said it wasn't just memorizing a bunch of spells. You said,
it was just you and your brains and your guts.
Well it wasn't that what Snape was saying. That is
it that it really comes down to being brave and

(52:41):
quick thinking, which is great. In response to your point, Allison,
I think it's really funny that you think Snape more
so believes that he's always right because Hermione always always
thinks that she's always right. I actually think she also
is an incredible arrogant character, and that's why somebody like

(53:02):
Luna is such a foil for her, because Luna is
the only person whoever questions when Hermione is like, well, logically,
and Luna's like, well, what you're not logic?

Speaker 2 (53:15):
I guess Hermione, you know, think she's right in the
knowledge that she's gathered from other sources. Snape thinks he's
right in just his own self. Like Snate thinks anything
he does is going to be right, not necessarily with
like backing.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Yeah, and then Catherine, you said you said something about
how like think of all the things that Snape went
through to figure that out. I actually think that that's incredible.
And I think that if you were only ever hermione,
you would never excel at something. If you only ever
do something exactly the way the book tells you to

(53:50):
do it, you are never going to advance. You're never
going to become better. You're just gonna be mediocre. Honestly. Like,
I bake a lot, and like, for instance, there's this
raspberry lemon blueberry bread that I make, and I've started
experimenting with the different ways to implement the lemon, and

(54:11):
I will tell you it is far and beyond better
than that a little original recipe, And I feel like
there is value in that, not just in bread baking,
but in this world here. So I would argue, and
you know, I think we've talked about this on the
show before. Hermione is obviously definitely an incredible wizard. She's

(54:33):
very talented and whatever I think when you put her
up against Snape, she is just technically proficient and Snape
is and would continue to be a far superior magical being.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
The difference between meets expectations and exceeds expectations.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, pretty much, nobody. Nobody can deny that Harmione is smart. Yes,
but she's book smart and that is that is her
role in the treo. I mean, Angela, you said it.
That's why she and Harry works so well together, because
Harry is not BookSmart. Harry is exactly right Smartpe and
matth why he falls in love with this book. He
falls in love with the half blood prince and doesn't

(55:12):
even realize it's Snape because when he puts aside his bias,
Oh my god, Snape is literally brilliant. Snape is brilliant.
I'll give him that.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
He hates Hermione right biased against her. Is there anything
Hermione could have said? Because she spouts off the definition
to perfection. Oh is there anything she could have said
that he would have accepted and not been negative about?

Speaker 2 (55:44):
And this is the same This is the same man
who when she was fourteen years old body shamed her.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
So yeah, yeah, And for the record, definitely not arguing
that he is a good person, nobody.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
But it is interesting because this we did have our
throwback comment does talk about that from this is such
a great user name Snape crackle pop.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
It's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
That's what I do when I wake up in the morning.

Speaker 8 (56:11):
Yeah me too, Yeah yeah, And talking about the Halflood
Prince's book, and they say the book is a show
of how Snape thought for himself and thought outside of
the box or the book in this case, he realized
at a young age not to believe.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Blindly in everything you read, so he experimented and essentially
rewrote the book. Think about how incredible that is a
sixteen year old experimenting for possibly hundreds of hours with
advanced potions. Snape thought for himself because what was being
taught was inside the box. Then Harry comes along and
inherits the book, and once he realizes it's value, he
decides to use it as a cheat sheet. He decides

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to cease thinking for himself and relies completely on the
book without question. He believes blindly in what he reads.
He sneered at how Snape was teaching the dark Arts
until Hermione pointed out that he taught them the same
way during their previous year in the DA. It's interesting
the one eighty Harry does opposite to Snape. Harry thought
outside of the box when he topped DA because Umberge
taught inside the box. Then Harry flips this year and

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starts to only think inside the box. He gets his
hands on this book that was rewritten by the very
man who Harry had knowingly shared, sorry that should probably
say unknowingly shared a teaching style with. It's funny how
much Harry resisted Snape's teaching for all of those years
and then suddenly can't get enough of Snape's teaching when
he doesn't know who he is, well, simultaneously ignoring Snape's

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main point to think for yourself. Snape goes from inside
the box to outside, and then Harry goes from outside
of the box to boxing himself in and thus doing
the very thing that Snape realized that you shouldn't do No.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
No, yeah, yeah, that's my argument in a nutshell thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
No, he definitely is brilliant for what he did. You know,
he just does not great how he cheats kids.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
No, he's a real.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Crap And I think that's part of the reason why,
you know, Harry doesn't like his teaching style all the time,
because that personality comes through.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah, I also this is maybe more head cannon ish,
but you guys have heard the theory that Lily helped
Snape develop some of these things, or at least some
of these skills, and that's why he's able to do this.
I do kind of ascribe to that a little bit.
I do.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't go so
far as to like give her the credit. Yeah. I
would more believe that Snape was purposely doing the things
to try to impress Lily, rather than Lily like guiding
his hand and be like, here's severus, let's do this,
because they weren't friends for most of their Hogwarts years.
But I think it was more of an impressive like

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look what I can do.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Well.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
They could have even been like doing it together, you know,
and that sparked like, oh Lily did that today.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Okay, well let me try this, you know.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Yeah, and their extra lessons things.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Yeah, you know, well they friends until their fifth year
because it's their fifth year after OWLS that they really
have their break because you have snape sworts memory and
then you have what happened afterward, and that's in their
fifth year. So I mean it could have been things
they had talked about or experimented with before and he

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kind of took further. I've also seen the theory of
he just copied what she was doing in class, watching
her and like coming what she was doing in class.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
No, that's just somebody who can't realize that Snape is
a brilliant.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
There could be some truth to some truth, maybe not
all truth.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
But no, he did not confidently. I think that they
probably learned from each other. Yeah, listen, we have to
give Snape. He's got to have credit somewhere, and it's
the fact that he has a brilliant writer. He's a
good potions a brilliant.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
But Harry wins the staring contest here with Snape in
this Da Da lesson, which I think is very funny.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Again it's just funny. Also another thing, I noticed that
Harry mentions specifically that almost half of the class was
in the DA. And I'm wondering if that raised any
red flag, not red flags necessarily, but like if anybody
was like, huh, lots of kids, especially these kids who
seem to be connected to Harry somehow, we are in

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this class. They did really well. I mean we learned Pravadi, Neville, Harry,
Ron Dean, Seamus, Ernie McMillan, and malfoy, but Malfoy wasn't
in the DA. Are all mentioned in this chapter as
being in this class and Hermione? Why do I leave
out Hermione on that list? So there's a lot of

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a lot of kids that are connected, and I wonder
if anyone put that together.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Snape might have, you know, it's like, hum, these guys
seem like they're doing a little better than I would
have expected them to, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Because how many competent DA DA teachers had they already had?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah? One right, two if you count Harry.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
Oh well, okay, I bet like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
Yeah, no, I I just I wonder, because I'm trying
to remember, is do people generally know about the DA
at this point? Does that come out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I mean, I don't think it's like I don't public Yeah,
I don't think that. I wouldn't assume that it's widely.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Known.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I mean snape Nose filch Umbradge, the inquisitorial squad, which
I would assume McGonagall knows, Dumbledore obviously knew some people
at the Ministry, But I can't imagine the folks of
the ministry would be spreading that m M. So I
would I would. I would guess that it's a well
kept secret at this point.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
Well, and Ernie even says, like, you know, when he's
talking to Harry's like you know us old DA members,
you know, it just sounds more like you know, we're
in that secret club, you know, right, Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
It's it's almost like it's it's an open secret when
people talk about it, but people don't necessarily know that
that's what's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
Yeah, And of course that leads us into the best
one letter ever. Sorry, Just like I wish I could
think that fast. I wish I was that quick. I
wish I was that sometimes I don't. I'm not a
super sassy person. My husband is very sass but and

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he can think like that. I wish I could think
like that. Man, my high school and middle school years
would have been a lot easier if I could have
burned people like Harry Kit I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Did even like really mean to It's almost like he
was thinking it and he just like it slipped down.
He's like, oops, I mean you know it thinking it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
I think you have that automatic side that happened. Lord,
I'm missed out on the sprinkling of the side.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
He spent eleven years with Dudley that. Yeah, yeah, but honestly,
it is just there's no need to call me sir professor, like,
oh my.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Gosh, yeah, yeah, I mean still like reading it every time,
I'm just I can't help it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
It's like I can't believe you said that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
You know, it's just too good, sassy Harry magnificode.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
As teachers, though, you two would be you'd have the
same reaction of snape if that was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Said to you, yes and no, like I think I would,
I would kind of laugh, like I would try and
because better class management would be to address it. But
at least internally i'd be busting up laughing. I'd be like,
oh my gosh, Like, what did you just.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
Say to me, never make a student call me ma'am.

Speaker 5 (01:04:01):
No, no, missus.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
You know, I wouldn't do that in the first place,
so I wouldn't ever be in the position to be like,
back up, child, who do you think you?

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
But what did you have them call you?

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
Miss Lewis? But I mean they wouldn't just be like Lewis.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
You know, yeah, yeah, I got you.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
But it wasn't his name though, because he said what
was the gut?

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
So Harry says yes and then yes.

Speaker 5 (01:04:30):
Yes sir, right sorry, Like I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:04:33):
Ever be like if they said yes, a kid says yes,
you just.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
But in the UK they're they're a little more formal
in that way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
A lot of people in private boarding school oh okay,
because I was like a lot of people that I've
met if you call them sir or ma'am, a lot
of them, well I guess that's typically the US, but
a couple of people overseas, but they think that that's
like an age thing and that you're.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Yeah, I think they don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
In this context. It's a little bit more school, right, yeah,
that didn't well, but also just just student to teach her.
Even it's a little more common to be a little
bit more formal in that way.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
I think. Also, what do people call what do your
students call you? Do you make them say ma'am?

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
No cat?

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Do you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
I'm not a teacher, No, no, But the students are
required at our school to use everybody's last name, So
when a student emails me, I'm miss Miller.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Yeah, I mean miss Siggard. And my theater kids used
to call me just Sigurd or sig because we were
running around doing theater stuff all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
So well there, I mean, a casual in this comes
with familiarity to Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
Yeah, it's a different level of the time you spend
with those kids, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah, what jinx. Do you all thought that Snape shot
at Harry? It couldn't have been something violent? I mean,
I don't. I don't think Snape is stupid enough. I
feel like I'm giving Snape a lot of credit. Yeah,
I mean, okay, I think he's mean enough. I don't

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think he's stupid enough. So it had to be something's
kind of innocuous, right, just like a disarming spell, you know, Yeah,
it could have been. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
He also just really doesn't like Harry. So who knows
what he was planning.

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
I almost feel like it would maybe not because it
wouldn't have been a good example in front of other people,
but it would have been very snape, like I think
to have shot at him with with something about au
clemency because he knows Harry's not good at it, and
so he would have been trying to like get under

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Harry's skin.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Also would have been very snape to use something that
James had used on him and he knows, he knows.
Oh here's the other thing. He knows Harry saw that
worst memory and he saw him use levy corpus. So
what if he was going for levee corpus.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
That would have been incredible. I think it's all right,
I kind of want to see that now, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
He would That would have been between the two of them,
a it would have been a really good example for
the other students show up Harry, but between the two
of them it would have had that extra meaning.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
Well, yeah, it would have embarrassed him more than like
disarming him, you know, just like he's got embarrassed when
Jane's did it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Maybe and he.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Would have known that Harry would know that's exactly what
was happening.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
So the opposite chapter of this, as far as Full
Circle goes, is chapter twenty four, which is the second
December chapter. Is that the chapter where Ron gets Levee
Corpus think it is? So I feel like I'm fairly
confident that it is, which means Alison's answer has just
got a lot more credence because, as I've said many

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times before, Ring Composition and Half Blood Prince is like
god tier. If you don't listen to any other season
of Full Circle except for Half Blood Prince, please go
listen to it, because folks, you will be blown away.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
I'm a page in and there's already mention if Katie
Harry conflicted. Oy, Yes, okay, there's a lot. Yes, I'm looking.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
As I said, it is god tier. Ring Composition in
Half Blood Prince. Incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yes, Felix felicis polyjuice potion.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
M m m.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
The first half of the book is essentially the exact
same as the second half of the book. Yeah, I
think it's in that chapter.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
No it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
I guess it is the chapter before. It could be
the chapter before, but yeah, regardless, I think I think
I think your idea of the jinks being Levey Corpus
is a brilliant and just petty enough for s like
that's perfection. Yeah, I could totally see it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yeah, I don't think it's the chapter before either anyway. Sorry,
that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
It's okay, But yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Harry then gets attention, which I'm not gonna lie. We
should have had this line in the movie. Everybody always
talks about Harry's sassy movie lineup, but I am the
chosen one. But it would have been so much funnier
to have seen Daniel Radcliffe and Alan Rickman have this exchange.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Yeah, and I think they would have loved it, Like, oh,
I think Dan would have loved to play more of
a sassy Harry. I really wish they would have put
more of that in the movies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Agreed, Yeah, totally. This movie is just so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Yeah, this whole movie is so bad, But we do
kind of This is a really great moment here if
we're talking about characterization, because it very is these character
foils of Harry and Snape, which have always kind of
been established, but it's really kind of doubled down on here,
and again we get this clear dynamic that gets built

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throughout this book of this kind of trio of Harry, Snape,
and Baltimore and their distinct similarities and yet the choices
that they make that lead them to who they actually are,
and it really just starts to get doubled down again
in this chapter. I mean Hermione mentions how alike Harry

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and Snape are, which I think is also very cute
that Harry's like Hermione thought my words were worth memorizing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
But does she have like the it's not not photogenic,
not idyllic, idyllic memory where they remember everything that ever happened.
Do we think she has that kind of memory?

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Oh, I don't know, maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Like the kind of people that can remember like being
fed as a baby and changed as an infant.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Wild.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
I don't know. I don't know if we have anything that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
Yeah, I guess if somebody said something that specific and
that nice about me, then I would have, you know,
replayed it in my head, especially from all the other
negative things that were coming from at her during that time.
You know, it makes sense for her to repeat those
things and remind herself that other people do love her. Yeah,

(01:11:35):
And it's also I love their their dynamic, so that
she's not afraid to say hard truths. He trusts her,
she trusts him. Ron I think is too emotional to
accept those things, and of course Harry is at times.
But for the most part, I think it's awesome their
relationship that she can say the hard truths and even

(01:11:57):
though it sucks to hear it, like he usually well,
I think he always like comes to accept that she's right.
And when you compared Snape and Harry's description to that
real life fighting dark wizards, like is it pleasant? No,
but is she right? Like absolutely, so, I think that's

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really neat that they have such a relationship that they
can truly say those hard things, which I just had
that experience, like one of the first times ever that
I was able to like really talk to a friend
was like this past week, like of all of my
friends ever. Because I don't like confrontation, and I don't
like saying those things to people, even though like they're

(01:12:41):
trusted friend. I just I don't I don't like saying
those things, but I did, and I like got the
guts up and said it, and I don't know, I
think I'm gonna replay those words in my head like
Hermiami for the rest of my life, you know, like
my husband and I, I mean we have been together.
This year will be like thirteen, I think twelve or

(01:13:02):
thirteen we've been married, and like we're not afraid to
go to counseling because I don't want to. I don't
want to not go. And like, yeah, not hear the
hard truths from someone who's not my spouse who I
am married to. But are they just saying that because
they want to be right? Or are they saying that
because it's true and to hear it from a professional,

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the hard truths. It's neat that they have such a
bond and such a loving relationship that she can say
that to him and he's not thinking what I think
sometimes of Is he just saying that because he wants
to be right because HERMIONI is obviously right all the time,
or is she saying that she loves me? And I

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think that's I think that's neat.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
It's a level of trust too, I mean you have
to mean, you have to be able to trust each other, Yeah,
to say that stuff and not have a blow up. Yeah, Yeah,
I do love their relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
They're just like I always think they're they're the brother
and sister that neither of them ever had, you know, yes, yeah, agreed,
I'm sorry. I'm not a hairy and harmione ship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
You know, Supper.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Their brother and sister to me, you know. And I
think it's even sweeter when it's you know, a platonic
relationship like that. You know, it's pure friendship.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
It was so cool for that to come out during
that time because I didn't exist, you know, like it
was the time of the Oh no, of course, I
can't think of movie names, but the ones were like,
she has glasses and her hair is in a ponytail,
and then they take a ponytail out and makes and
they are like Harry and Hermione. But then when she

(01:14:45):
takes her hair off down and puts curls in it
and takes her glasses off, and he realizes, I'm sorry,
oh lord, he realizes he's in lover with ther this
whole time. But it never turns out like that. And
I think that was so cool to see during that
time that you can have the best guy girlfriend relationships
and truly beep what I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Think that well, that also works into what Ron's going
through in this book in this chapter, right, is like
he doesn't quite understand that they're that Harry and Hermione's
relationship is like that, and so they're points jealous.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
Harry well, even right in that moment when yeah, when
Hermione says that, he's like whoa yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Kind of by the end of this book, and definitely
by that kind of midpoint in Deathly Hallows, after he
comes back, he gets it right and he understands and
he's like, it took.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Him a minute, you know, yeah, as it does, you know,
but he gets there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
It does eventually, he always does. So they leave Defense
against the Dark Arts. Harry has detention already and then
he gets his first invitation from Dumbledore, and obviously that
means his detention is not gonna work. It's gonna move.
And I find it really interesting that both Hermione and

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Ron are like, oh, he's gonna teach you really advanced magic.
But it's not. It's it's knowledge of who his enemy is,
which is a very almost more mature way of approaching
something like this, is through understanding who his enemy is
and that is going to help him overcome him. It

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almost is. I mean, if we're thinking about like this
idea of like Snape's teaching and Hermione's teaching. That's almost
is the halfway point, right of you have to have
the background knowledge to know what you're gonna do in
the future, right to know how to best tackle whatever problem,

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and to be and to be flexible and variable. You
have to have enough background knowledge to know what to
apply kind of. I don't know if any of that
made sense, but it made sense. It made sense in
my head.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
Yeah, I mean, that's a big thing that I love
about this book and why my favorite is just diving
into that backstory, you know, Voldemort's backstory, like just trying
to figure out why he is the way he is,
and that's important for Harry to you know, be able
to defeat him, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
And I'm a firm believer that if Dumbledore hadn't died
and he and Harry had been able to continue on
that once they got through that story, those are some
of the things that would have been on the table.
They would have talked about how to destroy horcruxes. Here
are some incredible pieces of magic that you might encounter
along the way, Like as we are looking for these

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horr cruxes, because sure Dumbledore knew that he was going
to die, he didn't know when, but he knew it
would be soon. And so I really truly do think
that I don't think they're wrong here. I just as
Alison was saying, Dumbledore would prioritize that knowledge over the magic,
because that's who he has always been as a character,

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you know, as a person.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Well, it also it informs, it informs the magic that
Boltimore used and therefore then the magic that has to
be used to undo what he's done. Right, you have
to understand, especially when he did so many like experimental things. Yeah,
you gotta know why and how and what led him
to that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
Like you can't learn how to unmake a potion until
you know how to make the potion.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Yeah. Yeah, And speaking of potions, that's where they go next.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Woo potions Slugcorn's first lesson and.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Not very many kids. There's four raven Claus. We know
that Michael Corner is one of them, Malfoy is a
Beanie not and one other Slytherin.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Wait, do you make Bill what grade? Neville gets some potions?

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Oh? I don't think we do. Yeah, I probably better
than we think it is, because he does better without
Snape there, but probably not. I think I think McGonagall
says they have to have and exceeds expectations.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Yes, he's yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Like I'm sure he passed and just didn't quite make that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Yeah, I think it would have been I think it
would have been. What I'm saying is I think it
would have been nice to see Neville here because I
think slug Horn could have done a lot, could have
done a lot for Neville.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Yeah. Yeah, well, just saying with Harry how he didn't
like potions because of Snape, Neville's the same way I
would say. So, yeah, it would have been interesting if
he would have been in there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Oh well as a teacher, though, this ratio twelve kids
in your class is a freaking dream like amazing, incredible
out of ten.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
But there are a thousand students at Hawkwarts Allison.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
This is the sixth year new class.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Yeah. No, that would have been my school growing up.
By the way, I went to a K through twelve
school and we had eight hundred and ninety eight students total.
It's forty six in my graduating class.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Oh my gosh, that's crazy to me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
That's that's bigger than my school.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
So that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
But I know I keep bringing it up. But the
private school that I work at, Yeah, our max class
is uh ten, so that's our biggest class is ten.

Speaker 4 (01:20:31):
Jeana Marie anyway, that sounds great, but also financially as
a teacher, probably not public schools. That's where it's at financially.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Yeah. Yeah, So they get in and they are these
sample potions which are very interesting to talk about. The
first one, of course, I just realized, I think I
spelled this wrong. Whatever is is ver to serum For
the first time, I was like, this seems like a
really reckless thing to just have like hanging around all

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of these.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
Are these are very bad choices.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
These are choices, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Very Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
Also, like when did slig Corn get here to be
able to make all of these?

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Yeah, because takes what six months? At least three months?

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Yeah around like what are you doing my man.

Speaker 4 (01:21:32):
In the refrigerator?

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
I could see him having poly juice since he was
on the run previously.

Speaker 9 (01:21:38):
That is plausible, right, But the other two but like yeah,
also just like out in the open on the tables
like the bars or something, you know, in a little
glass case like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
A table that yeah, or at least on like a table.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
He just is like the car we've taught you taught
Tom Riddle, you know that kids can be evil, like
and this is where this is where Draco gets his polyjuice.
So yeah, proven bad choice. Yeah, bad choice.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Also, yes, I do have to laugh though, I laugh
a little bit every time that, you know, Harry recognizes
the polyjuice, but he's like, I see it, but I'm
gonna let hermiond you take this one because she's the
one who made it. Yeah, I just I find that's
so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
And the polyjuice potion, Like why would Slughorn mention that
it was featured in the ministry leaflets? Like what does
that show his involvement in the ministry? Is it because
they found a few people have been using it? Like
why would he say that to students?

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I think it's more to kind of jog their memory
or like to try and meet them where they are
learning wise, right, I mean I do that sometimes when
I'm like, hey, you may have heard about this thing lately,
you know, if if it's relevant, because it helps them
form a connection. So that's probably why he was like, oh,

(01:23:10):
you've heard about this, but you've probably never seen it.
So look, now you're seeing it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
This is yea what it does.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
It could also be just like a hat tip reminder,
like hey fans, remember like this is the second time
we're hearing about poly jewics, and we're gonna hear about
it again yeah later, And also looking back at book
two their hat tips that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:33):
Yeah, And then we get to the really fun one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Yeah, it's fun, well fun fun.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
I think I think in that it's it's new and
it really kind of captured people's imagination in a certain way.
And that's amortensha.

Speaker 3 (01:23:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
So we find out that for Harry, it smells like
trackle tart, broomstick handle and Jenny and her fiany says
that her smells like fresh mooned grass, new parchment. And
I think we can assume ron to some degree at least.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
The movies, Yeah, the movies did the toothpaste, yeah something, Yeah,
but the way that she got embarrassed, you know, or
like inden, I think we know, like we know now
at least.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Yeah, I find there's kind of a pattern here, right,
There's there's like there's a smell that reminds you of
something that brings you comfort. There's a smell that reminds
you of something that you like to do or like
that helps define you. And then there's something that reminds
you of a person and I find that fascinating, Like

(01:24:42):
I find that really really interesting. And so I don't know,
do you think it's set like it will always smell
like that for everybody, or do you think it can change?
Like we know patronises can change, because tonks Is does.
So do you think your smell of Amortansha could change,
maybe like when totally in.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Love with a particular person, Yeah, because you don't like
anyone that at the time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
I don't know, I mean, and Harry's not always been
in love with Jenny. Yeah, so it probably does change.
I don't know it has to. Yeah, I mean, just
your smells and your taste buds over life change. So
I can't imagine the potion won't right for you the
smell of it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
Maybe that that first one that's your your childhood maybe
comfort that might always stay the same. Yeah, you know, yeah,
that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
And the one that's that's where I think.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Yeah, the second one, if I enjoy, which I'm a
total herbology person, so part of mine would probably be
like cut flowers, some sort of like the way that
the stems smell when you cut them. It's not necessarily
the stems that I like, but it's everything associated with that.
So that's probably one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
But I yeah, that was my next question is what
do you guys think? Does anybody know what there's would
smell like?

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
I know what one of them would be, but you'll
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
I think lemon would be in there for me.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Oh yeah, yeah. Would that be your comfort you're enjoy
doing or your person?

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Well, I don't like people, so I ain't gonna have
a person in mine cat.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
It could be your cat.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
I do love the smell my cat. Yeah, especially when
especially when they've been sitting in the window and they
smell like outside.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
Yeah, that's one of yours cat.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
There you go, that's one of them. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, I do love the smell of fresh moan grass,
although I am very allergic to it, but I do
love the smell. Uh. When I was in my teens,
so back in the nineties, gap had a like a perfume.
I think it was more like a body spray that

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was grass and it was my favorite. I wore it
all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
I've never heard of that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I didn't know that was the thing. Yeah, it was
like grass dream. Hang on, now I have to look
it up gap grass dream.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
That would be strange, like having somebody walk by and being.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Like, oh, smells like they just mode.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
I know it was weird dream Heaven and grass. There
you go, and I still like fifteen years ago or whatever,
they like reput them out and I saw it and
I bought it and it just sits on my dress
right now. I don't use it, but it just sits
there as like a nostalgia thing. So I guess maybe
those are mine grass, lemon, and the smell of my

(01:27:38):
cats when they've been sitting there like in the window
and they smell like outside. How's that? Yeah? Or maybe
instead of lemon, freshly baked bread, but somewhere in there
one of those angela.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
I don't think mine would be freshly mode grass. But
I love the smell of rain on grass, you know,
like when you walk outside and it's just yeah, that has.

Speaker 4 (01:28:09):
A name, but I don't know what it is. I
thought you were talking about a dinosaur.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Oh yeah, because I just a Jurassic Park last night.
Yeah anyway, sorry, Jurassic World Rebirth continue.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
So definitely not dinosaurs.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Sorry, I feel.

Speaker 3 (01:28:32):
So I don't know, that could be like a childhood
thing like I did grew up in Seattle, Washington where
it rained a bunch, you know. So, but I think
another one would be like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
A fall scented candle.

Speaker 3 (01:28:49):
I don't know if that's like generic, but I think
when I just like walk into a fall place, I'm
just like, immediately, I just love it.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
You know, hobby Lobby when they first decorate for autumn.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Yeah, is it like the spicy smell, like the cinnamon
e smell that you like, or like more of like
the pumpkiny or more pumpkiny.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
Yeah, I feel like it's almost a combo, just like
when you walk in and it's like that combined, you know,
it's a new candle. We gotta make it cinnamon and pumpkin.
It's out there, I'm sure, I'm sure. So yeah, Like
definitely those two. I feel like maybe the smell of
my cat would be my third also because like you know,

(01:29:32):
you just pick them up and I just love that
old cat's smell. You know, It's just like homie comforting,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:29:42):
Yeah, I'm findational love of a baby.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, it was next, I think those
would be mine.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Oh yeah, I this is so difficult for me. I
feel like my like comfort one would probably be either
like chocolate chip cookies because we used to make those
at when I was a kid, or like evergreen because
we'd go cut down a Christmas tree every year and
it was my favorite thing, and Christmas is my favorite

(01:30:09):
time of year. Maybe like a combination of that, maybe
like the smell of like my house growing up, when
we'd like done Christmas break baking, you know, and so
there was like Christmas tree and baking smell. Probably books.
I'm gonna be basic.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
I was gonna say library smell for you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Yes, yes, library smell, bookstore smell, very much love that.
I feel like ocean smell should almost kind of be
in there because I do love that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
I was also going to say ocean for you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Dang it, I know, yeah, yeah, I love the smell
of the ocean, or like like the like English countryside
smell is something I really love, like the just like
wild flowers and and fields. Person why I don't have
one like right now, but there is a very particular

(01:31:04):
like like manly musky scent that I really like and
I don't know how to describe it beyond that, like
it's just something that everyone in a while, I like,
I'll catch a whiff of off someone and I'll be like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Wow, it's those pheromones. Baby, we all get that. Yeah,
we get it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
So probably some like combination of those things. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Yeah, Catherine lewis your turn. I think my first.

Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
So when you said Christmas at home with your family,
I don't know if y'all know, but that smell that
I'm talking about, But there's a smell of like maybe
it's felt or there's something that my parents' Christmas decorations from, Like, yes,
that smell that would be my childhood smell. I don't

(01:32:00):
know if it's the felt of the homemade decoration. I
don't know if it's the tree material itself on like
a faux tree. I don't know what it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Is, but it probably the lead paint they used to
use in the ornament.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
There is a particular smell like cinnamon.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
It's not Christmas. It smells like it's an item of
some Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
It's almost musty, but like not gross musty. Yeah, it's
just like it's like that like.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
That would be my childhood smell.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
Yeah, yeah, this I have. So I have a bunch
of my grandmother's Christmas ornaments and I haven't used them
on the tree in a long time because I had
little kiddies and whatever, and so the last maybe not
this last year, the year before, I sort of pulled
it out and I was like, smells like my grandmother's house.
And but I wanted I wanted to repack them because

(01:32:59):
it was like they were wrapped in like napkins from
fifty years ago and whatever. But I tucked a couple
into a little bag and I put them in there
because I was like, I can't get rid of the smell.
This is my Grammy doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
Need to smell like me, please, it needs to smell
like that. Yeah, so that Christmas and it's only on
Christmas stuff or winters.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
Yes, yeah it does.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
Where stand it? But I love it. That would be
my childhood.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
There was a different smell on the Halloween stuff and
a different spell like.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
What honestly, yes it was and the times so it
doesn't make sense, but it makes sense if you know
what you know, you know what I'm saying. The second smell,
I smelled it for the first time when I went
on a mission trip to Ireland, and my husband and
I referred to it as the Irish smell. But I, honestly,

(01:33:51):
and I'm a little let down by this, I think
it's just like a fertilizer or like some sort of
like weed killer or maybe even like pest control, because
I know sometimes they use mint and they use cinnamon
in pest control, and it smells like the most fresh, wonderful,

(01:34:16):
warm scent of cinnamon if you ever just catch that
on the breeze. To me, that is what Ireland smelled like.
And that also goes ties into my love of herbology
all plants wise, because it's not necessarily grass, it's whatever
that fertilizer is. Because I've smelled it in the United

(01:34:38):
States too, but the first time I noticed it was
an Ireland. So we refer to He'll go just smell.

Speaker 10 (01:34:43):
It, and I'm like, irelt smell, you know, And my
third would probably be I honestly, my husband does not
specifically smell like anything that I can think of.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
But I think if I smelled him separately, like Harry
smells flowers, but it's a specific to Jenny for him
to know it's her and then run with hermione. She
has that specific thing. Of course, in the movie it
says toothpaste, but here we don't know what it is.
It could just be his, like we were talking about
his pheromone, his musk scent, his whatever. I think if

(01:35:18):
I smelled that separately, I would be like baby like.
I think that would be my third thing, because he
is he is my everything, so that would be my
three I mean, I love my dogs, I got three
of them. But that's my that's my mania.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
And it's a perfect transition actually, because as Slughorn is
talking about the love potion, he makes this really wonderful
point about what's the exact quote. He says, something about obsesses.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
He says it can't. Yeah, he says it can't. It can't.
You can't manufacture true. I will find the quote for us. Yeah,
it is a good one. Let me do my job here.
Amortansha doesn't really create love, of course, it is impossible
to manufacture or imitate love. No, this will simply cause

(01:36:21):
a powerful infatuation or obsession. Yeah, which is a very
critical distinction.

Speaker 4 (01:36:27):
Yes, and no, he says, is your finger still on it?

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
But and then he says that something bad happens, or
it's it never turns out good when you have the power, Like,
don't underestimate the power of obsessive love? He says, yes,
because he was the quote.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
He says, yes, So he says it is probably the
most dangerous and powerful potion in this room. Oh yes,
he said, nodding gravely at Mouthfway and Not, both of
whom were smarting skeptically. When you have seen as much
life as I have, you will not underestimate the power
of obsessive love.

Speaker 4 (01:37:06):
Who is he talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:37:09):
So probably Maropi is actually the hint we're supposed to
take from that, I think, well, yeah, yeah, and Tom
Riddle did Luckhorn teach Snape? He must have, yes, right, yes,
he must have. So he also probably saw some of
that considering how close he was to Lily.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
Yeah yeah, which again Snape did not love Lily. Snap
was obsessed with Lily.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
Yes, there is a.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
Distinction, because if he loved her, he wouldn't have been
so possessive.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
I do have to say. There was a really big, long,
and really fun conversation in the comments for the last
episode the last time we talked about this chapter about
what people thought different characters or like themselves, what different
commentars would smell. So definitely people should go check that
out because it was really fun.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
What's that smell? Which I guess is probably where the
title came from. Yes, I wanted to point out a
little oopsy because the there's some narration here that says
Malfoy looked rather as he had done the time Hermione
had punched him in the face, and heller that is

(01:38:21):
a movie oopsy because in the book Hermione slaps him. Yeah,
so that is the author making an oopsy getting inspired
or influenced by the phipsy pupsy. I like to point
those out, not for any reason other than they're fun.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
I mean, we do know that the movies were in
swing because demel'sa Robbins is named after yes favorite charity,
so yep, yep. So, and then we come to Felix
Felicis and Slughorn being a showman too well, and he's like,

(01:39:01):
oh this one, I have.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
My pocket and pull out this little baby. Yeah, don't
you want this?

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Let's get to work.

Speaker 4 (01:39:11):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
So liquid luck, which is interesting to say because it's
all of your endeavors tend to succeed, which is sometimes
luck and sometimes not. I mean, I guess there's there's
an element of luck always to that. But if you
overtake it, it makes you giddy, dangerous, and over reckless,
which I was like, Oh, I guess was getting gryffinor

(01:39:35):
vibes from this potion very much. And he says that
he took it at age twenty four and age fifty seven.
What do you think his two perfect days were? What
endeavors was he trying to make go right?

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
He says, to drink it on ordinary days? Do you
think these were ordinary for him? I mean, you know,
he has to have endeavors to go right? What were his?

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
They're so specific numbers times in his life. I don't know,
you know, twenty four and fifty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
But they're also they're also kind of random, So I
feel like they were technically like ordinary days. Yeah, why
he decided to take it because you have to have
a reason to take it right. You have to have
the reason to decide today I'm going to take this.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
I don't know. I mean, he said ordinary day, so
maybe he did just wake up and be like, yeah,
you know what, let's do it. Today, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Yeah, do you think one of them may have been
the day that he gave Dumbledore the fake memory?

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
No, okay, because he's wiled in fifty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Yeah, but when did he get that memory from?

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
I's know him recently?

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Maybe I guess it was recently.

Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
Yeah, I would have agreed with you.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
Specifically says it's banned for sporting events, elections, and examinations. Yes, so,
and he knows it probably wouldn't have done anything for
his love life. I'm thinking about like the twenty four
year old. Maybe he had like a job interview.

Speaker 3 (01:41:13):
Yeah, I think, because he would have been around the
time where you're, you know, you're starting off in the
wizardm World after graduating from Hogwarts, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
Well, and he is so about connections, so I wonder
if it was meeting with someone that would have been
a good connection for him.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
YEA, yeah, that makes sense, and it went well, and
then fifty seven maybe that was I mean, we don't
know how old he is now, so that I suppose
that could have been fairly recently. But maybe that was
like a day that he no, I mean he because
he says they were two perfect days. So it couldn't
have been a stressful day. I was thinking maybe it
was a day that he needed to be particularly good

(01:41:56):
at being in hiding or something. But that wouldn't that
wouldn't give you a perfect day.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Well, because he's he's at least he's got to be
at least eighty, right, maybe nine in his nineties, because
if he taught Tom rat all that would have been
over fifty years and.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
He right, So he's got to be closer to dumble
Doore Dumbledores.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
Yeah, I think he's supposed to be age.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
Why would he remember those numbers? Why does that matter?

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
Because because they're perfect, they were perfect days. I guess
you'd probably remember.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Well, why didn't he say March the fourth, nineteen twenty five?

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
You know, I think that is the author trying not
to date herself like she accidentally did in Chamber of Secrets.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Nice, that's what I make good kitch.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Yeah, yeah, twenty to be less specific.

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
Yeah yeah, I did get married at twenty four, so
that's nice. That was that was a good year for me.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
There you go, you had a perfect day.

Speaker 4 (01:42:55):
Needs a horrible wedding day, but it was perfect because
the outcome was all I all. I wanted, So there
you go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
So then they start making their their their draft of
living death or draw if you're American, and this is
this is kind of funny because this is exactly what
Snape again talked about on that opening day speech in
Sorcerer's Stone. It leads into everything, right, there's so much

(01:43:26):
happening here. Of course Harry is irritated, and then he
experiments with these scribbles and then he's really excited. I
do have to say this is kind of a movie ism.
But also it's mentioned in the book that Hermione's bushy
hair by the end of this. It always makes me
laugh because I'm like, I get it, I understand. In fact,

(01:43:48):
I think on the forums when the podcast first started,
that screenshot from the movie of Hermione with her bushy hair,
like that was my like profile.

Speaker 1 (01:43:58):
Picture because amazing, it's real, that's what happens. And you
know what big like unruly eighties curls are like so
in right now, so Hermione would.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
Be stuck on.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
Well, I picture more like me at Thermopolis.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
Yeah, yeah, for the makeover hair you know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Yeah, but it's.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
Where it's just frizzy.

Speaker 4 (01:44:22):
Crazy, you know, but like purposefully crazy me at Thermopolis.
Crazy not purpose.

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
Yeah, So we learned that, of.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Course, valarian root is in this potion, which is a
real thing. It's a sedative that's often sold as a
sleep aid. Interesting also apparently can maybe act like catnip
for cats.

Speaker 4 (01:44:44):
Hmm, okay, I'm super allergic. I love cats, but I'm so.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
And then theous bean, which is made up a magical
plant which grows in gloomy mar marshlands. The roots and
the beans are used in potion making. The white bean
produces a silver juice which has magical properties. If drunk straight,
the juice will cause a person to lose their memory.
It's kind of terrifying. The plant grows best if moon

(01:45:14):
calf dung is used as fertilizer, which is also interesting
because Harry uses it. Says to use a silver knife
to crush it, which again kind of leads to this
idea of night and kind of forgetfulness. I mean, we've
got things like werewolves and silver bullets and moonlight and

(01:45:34):
almost a form of like purity that comes with like
pure silver metal oftentimes. So I found it very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:45:41):
Again, I wondered if that was another thing that Snape
had to try maybe he had, you know, just a
regular knife that he was cutting everything with and decided
to try it with that regular knife and then it
like exploded or soured or know, it wasn't silver when
it came out, it was brown or something. And then

(01:46:04):
he tried different types of knives to make sure that
the silver was the one that made it pure.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Yeah, I mean the narration does specifically call out silver knife.
It doesn't just say knife.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
Right, And I think he even says to Hermione, like
asks her to hand him her silver dagger. It mentions
it like twice. I think, yeah, yeah, it was very specific.
And if he had not done that first, like if
Harry hadn't crushed, if he hadn't looked at it and

(01:46:38):
been like, this didn't look like if I crush it
and it doesn't work, then I can just cut it
up afterwards and it's okay. So if he hadn't taken
that small step of crushing it and trying that, do
you guys think he would have had the confidence to
try the clockwise trick that Snape had written.

Speaker 1 (01:46:57):
Probably not, Yeah, I do. I don't think they're mutually exclusive.
I think that he maybe the bean was easier to cut.
The only reason he decides to actually crush it is
because the bean is hard to cut. So if the
bean was easier to cut, he would have just been like,
all right, cool, I'll just cut the bean. But then

(01:47:17):
if he saw that that next, no, he would have
been like, oh, all right, I'll try that, because that's
it's not altering in the same way that, like, you know,
the cutting is what caused the barrier, and so why
he decided to crush it. Just doing this is not
a barrier.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
I mean, I just cut. I kind of disagree, just
because the crushing versus cutting is a little bit lower
stakes than like actually stirring the whole potion. Is if
he had messed something up, if something hadn't worked, then
he could just get another one.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
I mean, but that's so silly. I mean, not your question,
but yes, I agree, it is like steaks, But stirring
the potion is also low steaks, Like, what does stirring
the potion in a specific direction even do. That's such
a silly thing. I find that to be.

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
See, I don't think it is, because that's that's doing
the whole potion that he's worked on this whole time,
whereas the bean. He could have just said another one
and carried on with the same potion. He would have
had to start all over if something had gone wrong
with the stirring. Why it matters which direction you stir.
I wonder if it's kind of like like like you know,

(01:48:33):
how like atoms have like polarity, right, like they talk
about like a polarity of something and that I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:41):
Yeah, I mean, but okay, I hear you. However, what
if like so, does do you have the quote there?
Read the quote about the cutting the bean? Are you
putting the bean in? Are you cutting the bean to
then juice the bean?

Speaker 4 (01:48:55):
So you hold on, crush with the flat side of
the silver dagger.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
No, the cutting part before that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
For some reason had taken issue with the order to
cut up the sapoferous bean and had written in the
alternate instructive crush with the flat side of silver dagger
releases juice better than cutting.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Okay, So that begs the question, are you only putting
in the juice? Do you have to cut the bean
and then put the bean in there?

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
Hold on?

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
If the directions say to cut the bean, not juice
the bean, No.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
You put the whole thing in there, So Harry crushed
his bean with the flat side of the dagger. To
his astonishment, it immediately exuded so much juice he was
amazed the shrivel bean could have held it all hastily.
Scooping it all into the cauldron, he saw, to his
surprise that the potion immediately turned exactly the same shade
of lilac described by the textbook.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
I mean scooping it all to me, says juice, not
bean of the juice.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
Yeah, I mean scooping it all to me, says the
whole thing, like juice and bean.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
To me, it would just mean juice.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
It's it's I guess it's not very clear.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Yeah, well, and it doesn't make sense. Why if you're
just throw it in, right?

Speaker 1 (01:50:02):
Think about if you're making you're making a recipe, you're
baking something and you accidentally put in almond extract instead
of vanilla extract. That ruins your recipe far more than
which direction you're stirring it in.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Yes, but I think beat magic because there's something again
about it's it's more like mix. It's more more like
not like quantum physics, but kind of like quantum physics, right,
where like like if you've got some some molecules, some
atoms in like a centrifuge, the direction things go if

(01:50:39):
they're not like lining.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Up, But it doesn't matter which way you spin a centrifuge.

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Well, but maybe it does in potions.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Right, I mean, I'm sure that it does. I'm sure
it does because why else would stirring in whatever since
it is there. You know, all I'm saying is that
Harry would have tried it regardless of the bean. To
answer Catherine's question, I think he would have tried to
regard to see.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
I think it's it's higher stakes to do that because
that is impact motion as a whole, not just like yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
Not just grab another bean. It didn't work, let me
grab another bean.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
I was my thought of the stirring of the potion
because it it isn't necessary to do that, to to
do the every seventh it isn't necessary. It just does
it more efficiently and like quicker. Because Hermione's was getting there,
but he called time before Hermione's could get to the

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stage of clear. It was like light purple or maybe pink,
and Harry's was like the lightest, just the lightest, so
everybody else's was getting there. Harry's was just more efficient
and happened faster than everybody else's. So my brain, which
I think Kat and I both go to food, My

(01:51:56):
brain was, when you're making brownies, you don't overbeat your
brownies or over mix your brownies because it makes them tough.
So it literally will tell you on the box to
stir it like twenty five times because if you do
it more than that, you're gonna overmix it. And sometimes
it's even tastes even better to have little clumps of

(01:52:17):
that in there. Oh yeah, when you're not over mixing
your brownie. So that's what I think, because it wasn't
necessary to do seven turns.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Yeah, or it's like Macron's you know, like if you
if you don't, if you overbeat it, yes, or overmix it,
you losing it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
Right, Yeah, I think, So it wasn't like it wasn't necessary,
but you know, it just makes it more efficient, it
makes it more better.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
It is interesting though, how like I don't know how
long has this textbook been around and nobody has thought
that what Snape is written down is the better way
to do it, Like nobody's changed the textbook, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
I mean, but that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
I guess, yeah, like outdated.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
It's get updated, especially because they're.

Speaker 1 (01:53:02):
All required to buy their own, so who would be
using it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
And how many students that have accidentally gotten it over
the years. Open it up, which I think Ron would
have done. Opened it up, saw it was written in
scribbled lines written through it, and been like I don't
want that? Can I have another one?

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
I have the other one over there, because and then
you get to page whatever it was that Ron said,
looks like they got threw up in there, and it
was like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
I mean that one. I love and hate to have
blood Prints movie for lots of things, but that moment
when Harry and Ron are scuffling over the books and they're.

Speaker 4 (01:53:36):
Like, oh right, yeah, it's it's so boying. Yeah, I
love it.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
It's really.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
Like, man, I got the like dingy book. You know,
there's one fresh book, there's one old dingy book. And
he's just like that turns out to work better for him,
you know. I do kind of like how they did that.
It was more of like not here you go, here's
your two books. I know they're biting over it and.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
They like slap each other.

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
Yeah, it could have totally been like during that part
where he was like, of course you get the one
with all the cheek codes written in it, and he
could have been like, yeah, because I'm the chosen one.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
Yeah, get out of here, Harry's I do wonder like
what Hermione would do if she had this book, like
would she follow it completely?

Speaker 4 (01:54:31):
She would tell she would be like, I'm sorry, mine
scribbled down and I can't read this line. I don't
care what they wrote in it. I can't read it because.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
I mean, I think, I think in the moment, I
think maybe eventually she would have been curious about why
did they write all these things? But she would have
done more like due diligence before she yea following definitely,
So other last ingredient we know that's in this this
Draft of Living Death is asphodel in an infusion of
warm wood or lily, which again goes back to that

(01:55:05):
first first speech we hear in Sorcerer Stone, and according
to the lexicon, they say the antidote to the Draft
of Living Death is the Wiganwell potion, discovered by a
wizarding prince who put it on his lips to awaken
a princess put to Sleep by the hag Letitia Somnolens
just from a famous wizard card. It's it's Sleeping Beauty basically,

(01:55:27):
and they also have this commentary that says sever Snape
and Horace Sidcorn each have a soft spot for Harry's mother, Lily,
and both interacted with Harry over the Draft of Living Death,
a potion which includes a Lily asphodel. Since the Draft
of Living Death puts someone into a deep trance like sleep,
there is a connection to the story of Sleeping Beauty,
who only appeared to be dead but was brought back
to life by the kiss of a prince. Snape was

(01:55:48):
the half blood prince, but sadly for him and for Harry,
all the wiganwld potion in the world have brought Lily
back to life.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
Cue cue.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
That bit made me laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
The soft spot I mean, I think as a teacher,
you all you always have a soft spot for like
one or two or ten kids, you know. I don't know.
Being in a Title one school, I had a lot
of really bad home situations and so I had a
lot of kids that would come for pop tarts when
to take home for dinner because you shouldn't have them.

(01:56:23):
So yeah, But I also I was talking earlier about
striving to be the teacher that was one stood up
for the student, but I also strive to be like
Slughorn in this case where he completely and obviously ignores
Malfoy's brown nosing attempt, like he acknowledged him, he wasn't

(01:56:43):
the lesser person as Snape would have been, and did
not bully him and like, oh, that's not gonna get
you anywhere mouth way, like I don't give two crabs
about your grandma, you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
It's a nice throwback too, even just the last chapter
where Zabinie is like, well, I don't think he wants
to death theaters in the slug club or sons of
death theaters in the club and is like, care, I
don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
Look at my correction, look who I am? And I
love that that joke that it's like the person was like,
do you know who I am? And then they say
over the loud speakers, excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, we
have a man in the front who doesn't know who
he is. He has five seven brown if you want
to come claiming like that's adorable. But yeah, this is

(01:57:27):
kind of the idea to me of Malfoy saying that,
and he's like.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
It's also what Malfoy has done for so long to
get his way. Do you know who my father is?
And now he finally comes, he tries to use that
trick on Slughorn and Slugcorn is like, not gonna work.

Speaker 4 (01:57:48):
Sorry, yeah, that's not important enough for me.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
The end of the lesson comes around and Harry explains
to Hermione and On what he was doing, and Hermione says,
that's cheating. Is this cheating though, because like, on the
one hand, I get Hermione being like, well, it's not
your own work, but it's also kind of like a
recipe which everybody adjusts a little bit. So I do

(01:58:18):
you guys think this is actually cheating?

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
I don't think it's cheating. She's just cheating because Hermione
thinks is cheating. She's just mad that she didn't win.
You know, they're just other instructions.

Speaker 4 (01:58:28):
That is true for sure, Yeah, but I do think
it's cheating what I do, Okay, It's kind of like
if you got a history book and they wrote and
your teacher had the same quiz for twenty years, and
they wrote all the answers to the quiz, and you
just memorized the number like the letters number one is
A number two is B and you made like an

(01:58:49):
an what is it an anagram out of it, and
you memorize twenty letters for your answers on your twenty questions,
and then you went and didn't even need to know
any backstory about it. You didn't need to know any
technique about it. You just copied what was on there
and did it instead of following the recipe.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
Let me give you an alternate scenario. Lily's alive. Harry
uses her potions book at Hogwarts, and she has notes
in the margin. Isn't that just learning from an expert?

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
Yeah, but you're not learning.

Speaker 1 (01:59:23):
Who says you're not learning? Who says you're not learning?
You may that knowledge other applications.

Speaker 4 (01:59:30):
Now, granted, if he were to have to memorize that
like everybody else did and use it, they don't. Sure, Yeah,
that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:59:40):
They don't have to memorize anything for potions. They all
use the same thing. So it's almost like if like
a relative handed down or recipe that they had adapted
from something else, like they got like I don't know
the toll House cookie recipe, but they were like house
I changed in it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
Yes, what I was I was quoting Phoebe Bouffet Nele
tool House.

Speaker 3 (02:00:07):
Sorry, but yeah, I see it more as like a
cookbook and like your grandma she wrote a couple of
things here, like don't buy this chocolate by this, you know,
I see it more like that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
I see it being tested on it. And if he
didn't have that, he wouldn't have He wouldn't have even
done it. More his wouldn't have been much better more
than likely. Then you know, anybody else's other than rons
Ron's was black, but pretty much everybody else is like
I feel like Harry's would have been on the same
level as everybody else, and that Hermione would have made

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the best one.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
I mean, okay, then, I mean my question still stands,
but slightly different. Lily's alive. Lily's alive, and Lily like
helps Harry be better at potions when they're at home
over the summer. Isn't that the same thing?

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
Like if you walk into the Great British Bacoff Tent
with your recipe written down, is that cheating? Well?

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
And then Paul Hollywood is like, do it this way instead,
and you're like, oh okay.

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
Yeah, or you see somebody doing something slightly different in
the technical.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
I hear what you're saying, have a test.

Speaker 4 (02:01:20):
That is the test. Now, I would say to me,
this is the equivalent of him having a little bit
extra knowledge in the technical. Nobody has anything written down
in the technical. It's the rules that everybody else has.
But now Harry has instead of using almond e strike,
use vanilla and butterscotch or something, and it's gonna make

(02:01:44):
it that little bit better. And he had that little
bit of knowledge. But it's supposed to be a test
for everybody to have the same. Now, if he knew
that from his grandmama in nineteen twenty five making recipes
at home, then that's different because that's prior knowledge. But
to me, him having it right there when no one
else has anything like this, to me, that's cheating. So

(02:02:06):
does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
It does, And I totally hear you. I would call that.
I would call that an advantage over cheating because Harry
didn't prepare it himself. If he was in the bake
off ten and they gave him his piece of paper
that had slightly different directions than everybody else. He didn't
do that. He's not willingly cheating. He didn't purposefully do that.

(02:02:29):
And that is what happened here because Slughorn gave him
the book. And yes, Harry is reading the different instructions,
but that just means that he was handed something slightly different.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
He also makes the choice to follow the different inter Yeah,
that's true. He still had the actual instructions. He makes
the choice. Somebody, I mean, somebody could have been messing
with somebody and like.

Speaker 3 (02:02:52):
Ron said, like it could have been a disaster, but
you know, try to just decide to go with it.
You knows, because he's one.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
Yeah. I love that this has turned into an ethics question.
That's incredible and why I love this podcast so much.
I think we should toss it to the listeners and
see what they have to say.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
Yeah, think you're right. Yeah, because somebody who also weighs
in on this ethics question though, is Ginny. When she
hears them talking about this afterwards, she's like, you're taking
instructions from a book that you don't know where it
came from. That Harry, Yeah, Like, first of all, of course,
ring theory everywhere right, the fact that we're calling back

(02:03:31):
to the diary. We also get again that confirmation of
that smell that Harry smelled the amortensia, which of course
sets up that subplot of them they're in love. But
she's she's really angry when she hears this. Do you
think she has a point?

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
Yes and no, because she doesn't have all the information
she's walking into the middle of a conversation. I think
it's valid that she brings it up. But I think
as soon as some is like, oh, it's just written
instructions in a book, she should be like, oh, okay,
so the book's not communicating with you, yeah, like writing
words back and like flitting in and out of you.
Oh cool, all right, fine, got you.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
Like, there can't be any textbooks and hogwarts that have
something written in them, you know, yeah they're happy.

Speaker 2 (02:04:19):
Yeah, yeah, every textbook has something written in it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
Please, yes, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
And I do have to say, though, it is very
interesting that later in the books she actually defends Harry
following what the book said in a way right after
he uses in the Mirror chapter. Here after he uses
sectum sempra and Hermione's like should never follow what's in
the book, and Hermione kind of comes to Harry's defense and.

Speaker 1 (02:04:47):
Is like, Ginny, leave it alone, basically.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
Right, which is which is very very interesting to see
that change from her her concern.

Speaker 4 (02:04:56):
With her being that close to them. I mean she
was close enough to hear them. I mean I would
think they were whispering. Do you guys think they were
whispering at the table? I mean it says they were.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
I don't think they were because they're they're in the corridor.

Speaker 3 (02:05:08):
I think at this point, I think, first maybe because
it said something about like Malfoy was nearby, but then
once they got further away, I think they would have started.

Speaker 4 (02:05:17):
Talking table for dinner, he felt safe enough to tell them.

Speaker 5 (02:05:20):
Mm hmm was what this says.

Speaker 4 (02:05:23):
So yeah, when Malfoy was there, he says, got lucky,
I suppose because Malfoy could hear them. But then once
they were at the Gryffindor table for dinner, he felt
safe enough to tell them. Yes, And if I mean,
I would think they were not speaking loudly. But if
Jenny was close enough to overhear them talking, wouldn't Harry
have been close enough to smell her?

Speaker 5 (02:05:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:05:45):
He is close enough to smell her, but it.

Speaker 4 (02:05:47):
Says that she's she overheard him, And the only time
it says that he smelled her is when she walked
past him to confront him.

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
No, no, no, no, no, he says. It says, hang
On said a voice close by Harry's left ear, and
he a sudden waft of that flowery smell he had
picked up in Slughorn's dungeon. He looked around and saw
that Ginny had joined them. It's like she had just
come from class. Yeah, so she had just come from
class to dinner, came to sit next to them and

(02:06:15):
overheard what they were saying. Yeah, as they were having
their conversation. Because I'm sure it was noisy. I mean, basically,
at dinner time, it's going to be noisy in there.
So there's there's probably enough conversation that they were talking
in kind of normal voices. Because then it specifically says
after that, Harry, it specifically says, Harry lowers his voice

(02:06:36):
when he talks about Riddle's diary to her.

Speaker 1 (02:06:39):
M hm, right.

Speaker 4 (02:06:40):
But I was saying, if she's already sitting down and
listening to them, she gets up and comes to confront him,
So if she's no.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
I think she gets there at like that right point
in the conversation, like she wasn't sitting down the table
at the book because she cares them talking about Yeah
the last thing. She shows up and they're saying, hold on,
I just closed it again. Uh, he only followed different instructions.
Star said ron could have been a catastrophe, couldn't it?
But he took a risk and it paid off. Slugcorn

(02:07:10):
could have handed me that book, but no, I got
the one that no one's ever written on puked on.
So literally literally they were just talking about it.

Speaker 4 (02:07:19):
So you think she heard those two sentences and knew
he was taking instruction from a book.

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
Yeah, because she just heard, like, you're taking instructions in
a book that you don't know who is from, and
that's all she hears.

Speaker 5 (02:07:31):
Yeah, yeah, allus.

Speaker 1 (02:07:35):
Well, so taking Ginny's concerns very seriously, hermion is like, yeah,
give me that book. We're gonna try and see if
there's any fancy and she does specialist reveal revelli oh yeah,
which of course nothing happens because the book is not
special other than the handwriting.

Speaker 4 (02:07:54):
So do you think it would have worked on Tom
Riddle's diary. Hmm, do you think he would have like
warded safeguarded against that?

Speaker 2 (02:08:02):
Maybe yes, And there's also there's also the fact that
it's a hoore crops, which I think is gonna be
it is gonna cause some differences.

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
I think maybe something would have happened, but maybe not
what you would have expected to happen, because it is
a dark magical object and there is something special about it.
But like Allison said, it's a horre crux and it's
like it brings a person back to life, so it's
like a weird dark magic. So I think something would
have happened, but probably not what would have happened here,

(02:08:36):
not like the same thing that would have happened if
something happened here. Yeah, yeah, if you get one.

Speaker 4 (02:08:42):
And I think I know, like I said earlier, Hermione
has the strength to tell him the truths he doesn't
want to hear, and he always is like eventually, oh yeah,
she was right. But and in this case, like he,
they had every right to be freaked out. Like I get, y'all,
it's a you know, it's a textbook, and we obviously

(02:09:05):
see now that there's nothing wrong with it, but like
that was so rude of Harry, like you ain't got
to be a buttthole boy. They had every reason to
a freak at the heck out like I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:09:15):
I don't know that they had a reason yet. Writing
in a textbook, annotating a textbook is very common, and
that's essentially what Snape is doing. He's annotating and making notes.
It isn't until Harry starts doing some of the physical magic.
I think that they should be like, whoa, wait a minute,
that's dark af.

Speaker 4 (02:09:35):
Their kids who have already had an experience with a
book that was like literally.

Speaker 1 (02:09:41):
Yeah, but this book isn't talking back to you know.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
It makes sense to me.

Speaker 3 (02:09:47):
I mean, I guess maybe a little concern, but it
does seem like they were over reacting a little bit.
I think Hermione especially is just so salty that you know,
she did didn't when, and that Harry. You know, I
feel like a big part of that that is that,
you know, I think Harry is just feeling like kind

(02:10:10):
of on top of the world because he did so
good in Potions, which he's never done before, and I
think that's why he gets so defensive. You know, He's like, finally,
like come on.

Speaker 4 (02:10:24):
What was that quote where he says he felt elated
something that had certainly never happened before in this dungeon,
and it was like very sweet, said baby. Oh no,
I just want to give him hug.

Speaker 1 (02:10:42):
Well we wrap up this conversation here. Harry drops the
book and he leans over to pick it up, and
I think it says something like, in tiny slanted writing,
this book is the property of the half blood Prince.
And I just need to say that there is no

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there is zero chance. There's zero chance that they don't
recognize Snape's handwriting. They have been staring at it on
the board four years, Like unless it's changed, you know,
maybe more.

Speaker 2 (02:11:18):
Do you recognize everybody's handwriting?

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
You've ever seen a teacher almost certainly, especially one that
I hate, and who writes the instructions on the board.
I feel also handwriting on the board looks different than handwriting.

Speaker 2 (02:11:35):
Oh, of course.

Speaker 1 (02:11:36):
But Snape isn't doing this with shock. He's flashing his
wand and putting the instructions on the board in his handwriting.

Speaker 2 (02:11:44):
I was going to say, maybe it's not, but maybe
it doesn't come up.

Speaker 1 (02:11:46):
I've always assumed that it's in his handwriting, and just.

Speaker 4 (02:11:50):
How do they Yeah, Roman.

Speaker 2 (02:11:56):
Use for the summer and they're not thinking about it.

Speaker 1 (02:12:00):
Yeah, yeah, I suppose.

Speaker 4 (02:12:03):
So, Yeah, who did y'all think it was?

Speaker 3 (02:12:07):
I don't remember either who it was, more of just like,
who is this? You know, I want to find out.
I don't think I really had like any guesses, you know.
I thought maybe maybe it was someone that we were
going to find out, like that we don't know, not
somebody that we do know, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:12:25):
Yeah, despite my role on this podcast, I am not
a theorizer. When I read, I am not someone that
is like, oh, maybe it's this person. Oh there's a
hinted that I don't. I know a lot of people
do that when they read. I don't do that. I
just read to enjoy and then I think about it later. Yeah,

(02:12:46):
So I don't know. I don't know that I had
a guess.

Speaker 4 (02:12:48):
To be honest, I thought it was somebody we were
going to meet.

Speaker 1 (02:12:51):
Yeah, I honestly, I don't a new character.

Speaker 4 (02:12:54):
Yes, yeah, I knew it was a good guy. I
didn't know that it was Snape, And I think I
was probably very disappointed when I found out a good
guy and then later found out he was like yeah, anyway,
that's a whole other thing.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
Yeah. I mean, you know, we find out later why
he uses this moniker, and I think, you know, we've
talked a lot about how smart Snape is in this episode,
and I think that's kind of I think it's kind
of clever, like good for you bros. Also because he's
I mean sure, but it's also clever, like both things
can be true, you know it is.

Speaker 4 (02:13:31):
Yeah, he does very much like those titles because he
refers he only refers to Voldemort as the Dark Lord.
And I was on that episode with Laurie Kim's and
Josh and Grace and we all were like, why do
you think he refers to him as the Dark Lord?
And like each person had their own thing. But like

(02:13:53):
Snape just like freaking loves titles, like he loves the
glory of it all the pretentiousness. Yeah, Okay, that's all
it is.

Speaker 1 (02:14:14):
And I think that's all it is for today's episode, friends,
We have made it through the title chapter made Blood Prince,
which I got to tell you every time we talk
about this, and I know I'm like a Brooker record,
but especially since Full Circle, I think half Blood Prince
is becoming my favorite book, which is like, I never

(02:14:35):
ever ever thought that Order the Phoenix would be bumped,
but I think I'm really close to bumping it. I know,
I know it's wild.

Speaker 2 (02:14:44):
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:14:45):
I feel like a part of me is like, don't
do it for nostalgia, but I might. I might have
to do it. We'll see.

Speaker 2 (02:14:52):
I mean, we've talked about before that this book feels
like an underrated gem. It's in a lot of ways
for a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (02:14:58):
And the same is true about Chamber.

Speaker 4 (02:15:02):
Were saying, like all the connections of it, it's.

Speaker 1 (02:15:06):
Just Chamber and Half what are arguably the best written books.
They're both very tight. There's not a lot of extra stuff. Yes,
I know you're gonna say define the great but yah,
but they are the tightest plotted. Yes, best, Yes, actual
like writing. That's that's what I meant. I meant best plotted.

(02:15:27):
They are the tightest, there's no extraneous yes whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:15:31):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (02:15:32):
But anyway, Angela, thank you for being here and talking
about this chapter with us in your favorite book. I
hope you had fun. Yeah, this was so much fun.
Thank you so much for having me absolutely, thank you
for being here. Where can our listeners find you online.

Speaker 3 (02:15:46):
Yeah, they can find me on Instagram or TikTok at
Cozy Magic with and to get all your cozy Harry
Potter content.

Speaker 1 (02:15:59):
Yeah, your stuff kept coming up on the fie and
I was like, oh my god, this is so aesthetic.
I love it so much. I was like, I got
to reach out to her. Thank you reach out so yeah,
highly recommend. Thank you folks. You won't be disappointed. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:16:11):
Cool, And the next time we see you, guys, it
will be a chapter revisit of Goblet of Fire, Chapter
thirty the pen Seve.

Speaker 2 (02:16:20):
And if you want to catch up with us until
that comes out, make sure you follow us on pretty
much any social media outlet at Alohmore MN or on
Facebook at open the Dumbleedore. Make sure that you subscribe,
save and share this episode with your friends, and also
definitely check out our social media and make sure you're
following us because we have some special things that Beyonca

(02:16:42):
and I have been cooking up that are coming.

Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
So sweet that you want to be there for sweet
and friends with that. This has been episode sixty four
of the Final one hundred. I'm Kat, I'm.

Speaker 2 (02:16:53):
Catherine, and I'm Alison. Thank you for listening to episode
four hundred and sixty four, A Little Murra.

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
The opening of the Dumbledore is the property of a
local more podcast, m.

Speaker 11 (02:17:11):
HM Aloha Mora is produced by Tracy Dunstan. This episode
was edited by Catherine Lewis. Alohamra was co created by
Noah Freed and Kat Miller, and.

Speaker 1 (02:17:27):
Is brought to you by A p W B d llc.

Speaker 2 (02:17:33):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:17:41):
What does stirring the potion in a specific direction?

Speaker 4 (02:17:44):
Go back? Stop?

Speaker 1 (02:17:46):
Why hang on?

Speaker 4 (02:17:47):
Go back to what you were saying before, because you
froze for all of us, So you were saying, what
where did I cut off?

Speaker 2 (02:17:55):
So well, I was talking about it's lower states.

Speaker 1 (02:17:59):
Okay, use my original use my original words in my
audacity because they're going to be more passionate. Basically, I said,
I agree that it's low stakes, but stirring the potion
is also low steaks. And then I said, what does
I said, what does the stirring of the potion actually affect?
And that's it's like such a silly

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