OOTP, 19 Revisit: It Ain't That Deep

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
This is episode four hundred and sixty of Aloha Mora
for July twelfth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to another episode

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of Aloha Mora, the Fandom's original Harry Potter book Club.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm Bianca Lynch.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm Josh Cook, and I'm Alison Sigurd And this week
we are joined by a very special guest, KaiA Riney.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Welcome hello. Tell us a little bit about yourself.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
How you goten Harry Potter, your house, all those fun things.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Yeah, so I got into Harry Potter when I was
in elementary school, but like later on, like fourth fifth grade,
the majority of the books are out by then, and
I just like fell in love with it from the start.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
I'm a huffle puff, like tried and true.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Everyone can probably guess that if you meet me, like
it's very obvious. And I also, like, I love the
original series, but I'm also a big marauders like fandom bands,
bick girly, so like having both sides just like makes
me really happy and it's like my entire life at
this point, so that to.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Me that you're in the right place you are. Also,
I'd thrown this out.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I have bangs envy, right now because you have the
cutest curly bangs so much.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Actually like that working today? Just good, they're so cute. Kay.
You also you must be very you must be pretty
young then.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Too, I am on me.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah you say your age?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
No no, no, no no, I just.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Feel like that's where that sounded. It was going. You
won't be very young.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
No, It's just it's just it's interesting because usually I'm
well not usually. I just find it interesting when they're
like people younger than me because you would have had
a different experience than the rest of us old parts
would have had over here.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Isn't never mind?

Speaker 6 (02:22):
What we can move on? Wait?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
How old are you? Allison? Thirty one? So was it
just Asher that's just as younger than me? Okay, huh
all right? Interesting? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (02:34):
You know what else is interesting? The chapter we're going
to talk about yeah aya uh. Today's chapter is Order
the Phoenix, Chapter nineteen, The Line and the Serpent. The
original episode that we talked about this chapter on was
episode ninety seven The Secret Poet from August twenty fourteen
with host Laura Eric Rosie and guest host Nicole.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
That was eleven years ago.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
It sure was. We don't talk about time back back
when Allison was the youngest person.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I mean, I was too.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
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Speaker 6 (03:47):
Yay yay everyone.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
All Right, are you ready? We're going to get into
a fun chapter that ends not so fun? So I
guess it's a good thing that we have the people
we have on this episode, because it's gonna be chaos.

Speaker 6 (04:04):
Does it end not so fun? Because Haggard's back is
that one?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Oh, that's the first thing that actually came to my mind.
I'm gonna be.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
Honestly, Hag's back.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
You guys suck Josh, I'm gonna come across the country again.

Speaker 6 (04:23):
If that's what I have to do to get you
back here. That's song with me.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
All right, here we go.

Speaker 6 (04:30):
Three tons should do it.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
Chapter revisit.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Phoenix, Chapter nineteen, The Lion and the Serpent.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's a chapter of high emotions, swinging more wildly than
a rogue bludger. Harry's feeling bullied by the formation of
Dumbledore's army and the resistance to umbrage reign of terror.
Hermione's cleverness gets her special recognition from the raven clause,
even if the idea did come from the Death Eaters.
But it's really quidditch that takes center stage. Tensions between

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Slytherin and Gryffindor have never been so high, with teachers
taking obvious sides, players attacking each other at will, and
nasty comments flying faster than the snitch. Harry has faith
in his old team, but the addition of Ron and
his accompanying performance nerves is worrying him. On the day
of the match, the Slytherins demonstrates some revolting, unsportsmanlike behavior,
but Harry's superior skill shuts them down. All except Malfoy,

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whose disgusting provocation leads to a fight, for which Umbrage
passes her cruelest sentence yet a lifetime ban for Harry
and the Weasley twins. What could possibly make them feel
any better?

Speaker 6 (05:47):
Alison? That was such a good chapter summary? Like, have
you thought about vander ro I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Maybe I should. Yeah, maybe I like how I used
to dash.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
And a colon in a single sentence.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I just realized.

Speaker 6 (06:00):
I love it very well written.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Thank you, I do my best. I actually really like
writing chapter summaries. Yeah, which makes a writer, don't hear that, Tracy?
Give them Allison?

Speaker 6 (06:10):
Well, please please, and thank you? Even not long?

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yeah, okay, don't go that far. You're not on this episode,
but could you just.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Write I'm just gonna write a chapter summary for every
chapter in the entire series.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
It's a little late for that anyway.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
I don't even need that need the next sixty. That's
just get me through the end, all right, there.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Are only forty. Josh, can you do math?

Speaker 6 (06:36):
I can't. I'm a terrible engineer. I'm ange is.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Going to quit on us.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
This is so entertaining to me.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Seriously interrupt us at any point.

Speaker 6 (06:56):
I'm clearly in the mood today everyone, I will say,
finally to talk about the chapter itself, I've really enjoyed
how this chapter like tied into the last, the last chapter,
even though it has been a couple of weeks differently.
So the last chapter ends, they're leaving d a meeting
and talking about you know, how well they did what

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you think they're doing, disarming charms at the end of it.
But and then now we have Harry kind of thinking
back over those next over those last two weeks, and
it says that he has a glowing secret in his
chest and the boy needs something. He does it's been
a pretty terrible year.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
He does. And I like this moment.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
I'd kind of forgotten about this moment because in this book,
Harry feels so hopeless and helpless for so much of
this book, and so this little moment is just so wonderful.
But then it just becomes such a stark contrast to
what's going to happen throughout most of this chapter, but
also the end of this chapter, especially where all of
a sudden, like at the beginning of this chapter, Harry's

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like we got her right, Like we've got one up
on umbrage. Everything is great, and then by the end
of this chapter that's kind of gonna be undercut, you see.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
You see that throughout too, and I know we'll get
to it. But even whenever, like the Slytherins in the
in the hallways and things are you know, given the
the gryffindor Quidda's team a hard time. Harry is recalling like, well,
I've dealt with this before, I know how to deal
with it. And then at the end of the chapter
he can't deal with it anymore, you know. So like
it's it's throughout the whole chapter of like hey, we're

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really we're feeling really great about ourselves here and now
everything sucks, which like that's kind of Order of the Phoenix.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Was very very much the theme of Order of the Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Just when you thought you got a little bit ahead,
the universe was like, ah, I just like snatched that
rug right.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
For reals, snatch that broomstick right from under you.

Speaker 6 (09:00):
So, I mean, Harry gets a lot of not like hate,
but he gets a lot of negative talk about him
for like not being very observant and all these kinds
of things. But like another part that stuck out here
to me was the fact that he is just naturally
sneaky or or like he just he's he has a

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depth about him of understanding, Hey, if we keep the
DA meetings, I guess kind of random throughout the week
and times and all these things are set up differently,
it's better for them overall to not to not get caught.
And it's not something that that that he devised himself,
but it's just something that he recognized that it's gonna

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work out better for them if they can if they
just keep moving around their meeting times and things like that. So,
I mean, did you all feel like they should have
been doing that anyway or I guess I don't know,
like they have enough intelligence in the room that I
think that they should have been able to go, well,
if we meet on Mondays at seven every week, we're

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gonna get caught. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
It just happened naturally that way because they just they
could not like they couldn't like they couldn't be like,
we'll meet Mondays at seven, just because of all the
random things that were happening. But I definitely feel like
that's something that Hermione would have came up with on
her own. If there were like an in depth discussion
about like when we should meet, and especially once once
they realized like how many people were coming and like

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how suspicious that would look to have like such a
large group of students. And this is actually the first
time that I really thought about how they were. They
were essentially talking about how it would be suspicious to
see people.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
From or students from different houses, and I was like,
is it really that divided?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Is it seriously that divided that it's so crazy that
you see two ramdom claws, a huffle puff and three
Griffinders hanging out. Like if you see them talking and
hanging out, are you really going to think what are
they doing together? They're not in the same house, because
that seems so dramatic.

Speaker 6 (11:06):
Well, they but we see that unfortunately, like during like
they're in the uh they're in the Great Hall having
breakfast or something, uh somewhere in this book, and like
all the different houses except for Slytherin obviously, are like
trying to figure out what's happening or or maybe when
the next meeting is or something like that, and everyone

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has to be like go back to your frickin' tables
because we can't be seen together, you're in the Great
Hall having breakfast, and you can't. You can't, I can't,
I can't talk to Finchley, Fletchley whatever. Finish.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah, I think, but that's like that's a specific thing
they mentioned though, is that it would be it would
look weird if it happened too often in the Great
Hall that you were crossing you know people. And I
think part of that may have been Umbradge has hit
her eye on Harry specifically, like she's trying to catch
him out with something, and so anyone associated with Harry

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she's got her eye on. And so if all of
a sudden, these people who are associated with Harry are
doing the weird thing of like crossing houses all the time,
maybe to people that they don't associate associate with otherwise,
that is gonna look suspicious, right though I don't know why. Well,
I guess they're in different years too, because I was

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gonna say, why not just like talk in lines waiting
for classes.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Or something, you know, like because they could you could have.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Had like a network set up, like a tree of
like you are gonna talk to this person, like Pravadi
goes and talks to Padma Padma spreads it to the
rest of the raven claws, and then there's a raven
claw that talks to one of the Hufflepuffs, and then
that spreads to the rest of the lf plufs, you know,
and then that like you could have come up with
a communication tree probably if they really needed to. Honestly though,

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it's really smart for them to do this because the
unpredictability is I mean, it's probably the reason why they
last so long, right it does.

Speaker 6 (13:05):
Definitely, yeah, it definitely is. Now. I mean as far
as like it being really smart of them to do this,
the the the smartest part that they do is just
kind of go with the flow, like they they're they're
taking they're taking the requirements of all the other things
and making d a fit into all those things. So

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it's a necessity to do. And what I'm what I
guess what I'm proud of them for for not doing
is what we said we're gonna meet on Tuesdays at eight, Well,
Tuesday at eight comes, Well, we can't do that because
Hufflepuff has a quiddage practice. Well we'll try again next
Tuesday at eight. And instead of doing that, they figure

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out another day that week to do it. And I
think that's that that's the smartest. That's that's like the
most mature thing that they do here. Yeah, other th
other than like fight the ministry. That's pretty much.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
I do have to say the way you said that,
like Harry's just kind of naturally sneaky. My first thought was, ooh,
that's the James coming out in him.

Speaker 6 (14:07):
It is exactly, well, it's the James coming out. And
it's also like the the growing up with the Dursleys
of like think think of like adolescent Harry coming up
and like having to sneak around to do this or
that or whatever to not get caught by the Dursleys.

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And yeah, crazy, like I mean honestly, I mean, the kid,
does he have to eat every day?

Speaker 2 (14:36):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 6 (14:38):
He's so spoiled.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
This coming from a father of two, he asked himself
the same question, do they have to eat every day?

Speaker 6 (14:51):
I'm trying to get my kids to eat every day?
Like can you just have one calorie today?

Speaker 1 (14:59):
That was like you, I think one thing that it's
interesting that I never really thought about before as we
were just talking about the houses and kaya, I would
love to know what you think, is there a world
where out of all of these students, one Slytherin would
have joined the DA.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I know we're not.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Talking about Malfoy and like his little posse, but is
there a world where there's a Slytherin out there?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
And if there were, what would that have even look like?
Would they have let them join?

Speaker 5 (15:31):
See?

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Honestly, I think if this happened in any other year previous,
like before this time right here, then there's a possibility.
But I think with like all this anxiety, with like
the presence of Umbridge and everything that's happened, like with
Harry in the previous years, like with the Ministry's eyes
in at Hogwarts, like I just feel like no one

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wants to touch that, Like they're like, we're gonna just
say even if they wanted to. I feel like, especially
also because like Gryffindor and Slytherin just have this natural
innate rival rivalry.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
I feel like people are like, it's not worth it's
not worth it.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, I could see maybe there's a Slytherin out there
who would want to join, but I don't think they
would let them because I think there's too.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
Like like, Kay, you don't think you don't think any
other You don't think not one part let them.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Maybe some of the raven Claus would have been like okay, whatever,
but definitely none of the Gryffindor.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Why the raven Claus are not the Hufflepufs because the
huffle Puffs are actually the most.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Because because because I've always seen there's this interesting alliance
between like Gryffindor and Hufflepuff and then raven Claw and Slytherin. Yep,
they kind of have this these interesting ties together, and
I think the Hufflepuffs would have gone along with the
Gryffindors in this case.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
What ties do raven Claus have the Slytherin that I
have completely missed?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
I mean, I I don't know.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
This is one of those just like gut feelings I've
always kind of had. Is that sometimes very logical thinking
and very like cunning ruthless thinking of Slytherins and that
very logical thinking of raven Clause they end up running
along the same track.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Does nobody else see this?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
I thought these very interesting, like here are the connections
between the different houses, Like raven Claus and Gryffindors can.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Get along, but they see each.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Other like like raven Claus are like why the Gryffin
door being stupid? And the Gryffindors are being like, why
aren't the raven Claus doing anything actually, whereas like Hufflepuffs
and Gryffindors are more aligned with like emotion almost like
they just kind of line, like they just align along
those lines in certain ways of like emotion. And so
Hufflepuff and raven Claw also kind of have a rivalry

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because they're like the opposite points of that, and then
you've got the Slytherin and gryffind Door one, and so
they all kind of just like I feel like obviously
to like draw out how I see relationships between hows.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
I said this moment because I just wanted to confirm
there's no yeah, okay, it's.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
It's more just like my like gut instinct from how
I understand the houses more than anything. And also I
think there are times in Quidditch where it seems like
a lot of the times raven Claw will almost takes
Slytherin's side, especially early on, like if if they're if
you know, Griffin or versus Slytherin, who are they gonna pick?

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They're probably gonna vote for Slytherin or cheer for Slytherin.
Vote for Slytherin. You don't vote in quidditch.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
It's one of those just kind of like gut instinct
things I don't know I agree with.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
If nothing else I don't agree.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
But that's okay, that's fine. One thing that we all
can probably agree on is that Hermione's uh spell work
on these galleons is freaking genius. It says that she
has used a protein charm on the state galleons to
give the common date of their next meeting because things

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are changing so quickly throughout. She does admit that she
got the idea from the dark Mark. My question is
is the dark mark a protein charm or is it
just an idea of I hit this, it calls you.
I do this to a galleon, it calls you. Is
that the only you know?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It might be?

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Because I think that's we never really get a clear
definition of what do you say protein?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I say protein, which is not what it is when
every time I read it, I'm just like the protein charp.

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Say protein. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Okay, okay, that's probably what it is.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
I say what says.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
Okay, then that's probably what it is. See I read
them so young too, that there are certain words that
I mispronounced because of how I read them when I
was a kid.

Speaker 6 (20:00):
See I'm I'm on the other side. I've only listened
to them. Okay, so I don't know how I don't
know how to spell boat, baton, I don't know how
to spell yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, Joshua on the same page.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Whenever I first got on this podcast, when I tell
you the amount of like I have to keep a
tab open for Google to write out everything. I mean,
when I saw a crab was spelled, I was like,
I was like, I was like, what when you listen
to the audio books, you just your your whole, your

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entire world has opened up. Whenever you see how these
things are spelled, You're like, ah, all.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Right, yeah, and see there there are things I just
I can't pronounce because I read them at like eight,
And I was like, yeah, cacoffony is is said cacophony
or what?

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I don't know. I say that word wrong all the time.

Speaker 6 (20:51):
By the way, so quick quick story about the listening.
I think I've said it on the podcast before, said
listeners skip. I don't care and Chamber of Secrets where
the thing gets written on the wall Enemies of the
Air Beware. I thought it was a R and I
was like, wow, of like the air. Yeah, yeah, it

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took me embarrassingly too long to figure out that it
was air.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
So anyway, but back to the protein charm, it's got
to be something like that, right, because we don't super
get an understanding of what that charm is. It's almost
just like you have like the the like master thing whatever,
and then you've got like the copies basically, and when

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the master one changes, then all the rest of them do.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
So there's got to be something like this in the
dark mark.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
I don't think that's the entire thing with the dark mark,
because part of it is that well, others can touch
their dark marks too and call Voldemort.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
But there's got to be something else happening.

Speaker 6 (22:02):
And nothing happens on the on the copy galleons, right,
there's only one galleon that can change the rest of them.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yes, but they heat up to let them know it's changed.

Speaker 6 (22:15):
Yeah, that's another thing I want, Like I don't I
guess I don't understand why they heat up, Like, is
that a separate charm or is that part of the protein.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think it must be part of the protein, because
there has to be some sort of signal that something's changed.

Speaker 6 (22:30):
Yeah. The only the only other I guess, like spell
or whatever that we know about that that hasn't an
object that heats up like that is the Gemino a
curse or jinx or whatever that's in the leastron's vault. Vault.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
But the heating isn't that though. The heating is a
different curse.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Isn't it.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
I thought Gemino, I thought whenever you touch something it
sprouted the other.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
One crest hot. But I think the heat is a
different charm. Shoot, my book is across the room.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, I mean I don't.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I don't think we can group anything that gets hot
under one.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
No, you're right, they have.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
It's a conflagration, right, grip hook.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
Says they have added Gemino and Fligerante curses.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Fligorante would be fire because because my other thought would
be it heats up as part of a like almost
like chemical process of something changing like that energy transference almost.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
Yeah, So what like where my where my like engineer
brain went was if it's if it's a galleon it's
it's some sort of metal. Like I understand these are
fake so they're not gold, but even if they're made
out of ten or aluminum or steel or iron or whatever,
it's like what I went to was, if those things

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are changing, to do that, the molecules have to move,
and then that would create heat to do that or
like to make it more pliable to move. Now, granted,
we have magic, like I understand, don't get all my
Hondam plays, but.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
They talked about how magic, like there could be laws
of physics in magic.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Yeah, so I just thought that it would be interesting
that because the engraving changes, you're you're changing the metal,
You're moving the metal molecules around, and that would create
the heat for them. I love the silence.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean that that makes perfect sense to me. Yeah.
I think it's really it's hard to not form your own.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Biases whenever you read these books, right, Like one of
the more obvious ones is like, you know, Hufflepuffs are lame,
and then you know everyone's like, oh, but then I
got my Hogwarts letter blah blah blah, and it's like, oh, no,
they're not lame, right, And I think I don't I
don't think that charms is soft. But when I try
to imagine Voldemort in a charms class in my like,

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in my head, I'm like, he.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Ain't got the patience finished.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
He's just like and then but the flip side, this
is where and this is where I have a question,
because you know, we see charms like we see we
see them used in in like a non negative way
most of the time. But typically whenever you think about,
you know, an object doing something on its own, I'm
not saying that's always charms, but I guess when you

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look at it from that perspective, if you think about
like the battle between Voldemort and Dumbledore, where Voldemort was
like turning, not turning things in other things like transfiguration,
but whenever he was making things do whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Now, I guess my.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Big question is do we have evidence of Voldemort actually
doing charms or are there certain spells that we can
think of where And we don't even have to answer
this right now, but it was just listeners.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
You can let us know what the comments.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
But I just tried to imagine Voldemort charming something and
it just doesn't sit right in my head. But at
the same time, I can't also see him being like, yeah,
rock fall on that person's head, and that could be
a charm.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, I think I think charms is one of those things.
For the most part, magic is neutral, right, Like magic
itself is neutral. It's how it's being used, right. I
mean obviously there's like well for for the most part,
Like there's definitely like dark dark magic, right, but for
the most part, But like things like charms are in

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like a neutral territory, and I feel like so much
of just like the basics of magic is what they
learn in charms, right, Like the basic like moving things
from one place to another, and like I feel like
that's every charm lesson is there like another in somewhere.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I mean even like transfiguration, it's the same thing. Like
you can changing a desk into a pig. Ha see
what I did there, Or you could turn your dad
into a bone and bury him.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
So you know, it's it's what you do with it.
I think is where we're is where we're going with that,
So I can accept that.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
Yeah. The only other place that I can think of
that Voldemort specifically talks about charms was a memory was
like with the memory charm that was on Bertha Jorkins,
Oh yeah, yeah, Like it doesn't say that he used
the memory charm. It just says that memory charms can
be broken because Warmhail is talking about like modifying her

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memory all this stuff, and Voldemort says that memory charms
can be broken, like I proved or whatever, well you've got.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
I would almost classify Pedigrew's silver hand as a charm.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
I think you could class like he literally conjured that
hand from like thin air.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
But that's a charm.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Conjuring is a charm, isn't It isn't transfiguration.

Speaker 6 (27:46):
What did he transfigure? What did he transfigure into that?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
What did he change from me?

Speaker 6 (27:50):
You don't.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
You don't have to do that.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
You can like whenever a doubledore brings like a chair,
like in Out of Nowhere, they call that transfiguration in
the book, do they?

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I think, person, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Yeah, if you're I'm gonna look at I'm not.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
That's I might be wrong, but I feel like I
might be wrong.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
But I feel like they have made very obvious comparisons
to Dumbledore's level of transfiguration expertise versus McGonagall. And I remember,
and I'm thinking about I think it's I think it's
Order of the Phoenix where I'm just hoosing the chairs
as an example. But I'm pretty sure that with transfiguration
you can you can pull things out of nowhere with transfiguration.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
So the summoning charm is a charm.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
No, no, no, it's like I'm not talking about or Aki. However,
you say that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 6 (28:39):
Yeah, what she saw? What what is talking about is
during the Ministry Hearing at the beginning of Order of
the Phoenix, Dumbledore, it says he conjures the chair out
of mid air. It doesn't say he transfigured the chair.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Okay, okay, I'm looking, I'm looking.

Speaker 6 (28:55):
It's okay if they're in the Ministry hearing.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Okay, so not maybe not a charm and maybe all
so not transfiguration then and not some well maybe it
has to be summoning, but maybe Achio isn't the only
summoning charm.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
We need to get back to the chapter. This is
getting way like this, this is.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
Going okay, so I will I will say the the
The other connection point between the Galleons and the Dark
Mark is that they do both burn like they do
birth get hot. Now, Alice and what you were talking
about earlier, like with the with the dark mark, like
the other ones can call Voldemort. If Snape touches his

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dark mark, that is only telling Voldemort, or is it
they don't they can't call other deaths. I think it's
death either to Baltimore and Baltimore, to all the death eaters.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
But but also well, I think it depends because in
Goblet of Fire, it's worm Tails dark mark that he touches.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, but it was still Baltimore's finger.

Speaker 6 (30:00):
Yes, because Baltimore doesn't have a dark mark.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, I know you're right, he doesn't, is it. I'm
trying to think if the.

Speaker 6 (30:09):
Here I have, I have a I have a point
of not proof. But where I get that is that
in Mouthy in Mauthley Manner and Deathly Hallows when Bellatrix
like they're getting ready to call Baltimore back, and Bellatrix
puts the cabosh on that when she sees the thword
and all that stuff. When Harry is at Malfoy manor Yeah,

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and then whenever they're I guess escaping, they did call him,
they did touch the mark, and then Baltimore is on
his way back. No other death Eater shows up.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Okay, yeah, I'm there.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
I'm just I'm making the connection between the galleons and
the dark Mark. And then we got on the galleon.
Hew only has one master yeah to all the copies.
And then I think you're right, the has a master.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
P Yeah, I feel like there's a moment where somebody
calls him, and but I may be thinking about Harry
scar burning now that I think about it, because when
when when Boltimore feels hears that call or feels that call,
He's got to have some way on himself to do that,

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because otherwise he would always have to be with a
death Theater.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I don't think the look, no, Valtimore doesn't need.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
He doesn't and he's never gonna so like, yeah, he
doesn't need, he doesn't need anything else.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
It's his creation. Yeah, it's not super clear, is it.

Speaker 6 (31:42):
No, that's not How could how would Voldemort call the
death theaters if he doesn't have his own mark?

Speaker 2 (31:48):
One second?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I don't know, but we don't I think that. I
don't know, Like in my mind, I don't. I just
don't think every I just don't think.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
We don't.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
These things don't need to be that compares the Okay, yes,
Hermione did say that she got the idea, but I
don't think that means that like there's all these similarities
because just it's just the one thing of hey, yeah, yes,
one button you get everybody, Like, I don't think there
has to be like another reason why like there.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I mean, maybe there's maybe there's like different feelings of
like whether this is like an all call for the
Dark Mark or if it's like.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Someone's just trying to get in contact with Baltimore. Like
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (32:31):
Sorry, everyone, Anyway, I'm moving on. We do, uh, we
do finally get to a point. We we we find
out what happened under under Hermione sorting hat in Philosopher's Stone.
Uh here yea. They're talking about so much. Yeah, and
all of the Hufflebuffs or raven Claws are really excited

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about it because it's it's new level standard and says
that she should have been in raven Claw and it's.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
It's specifically, it's specific. I love this bit because I
think it's so funny. It's it's got to be really
complex because Anthony Goldstein is like, but that's new standard,
and he seems so impressed, like, and so, I mean,
I love that moment. It's funny. But I'm wondering did
hermione learn that charm then just for this occasion?

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Right? Did she? Did she go looking? She was like,
I have this idea, how does this work? Let me
go just learn this charm? Right now?

Speaker 6 (33:27):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Can you say so?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
I mean okay, I mean because that makes sense, Like
whenever you're in the if you need something specific, then
your brain would be like, you know, what's how can
I create something like this? And then I was like, well,
you know, Voldemort was able to press it one button.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
And you know, but congregate everyone, So how could I
do that?

Speaker 6 (33:45):
Like?

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Had she come across the spell before?

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Do you think?

Speaker 6 (33:48):
But I don't think there's any reason for her to
have done it. I think that she would have had
to do her do her I say, and do your research,
but I think that she would have had to go
find it herself. With the idea of this. Now, I
think this is where Hogwarts really lacks. Where I think
that it would have been nice to know she had

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this idea and that she could have gone to Flitwick
and said, hey, I have this idea. Is there anything
that's like this, that he could have been like, oh,
that's actually a brody and charm that we will cover
in year seven if you're here and not fighting to
save the world.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
But the thing is, you can't really do that when
you're trying to set up a secret society.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I agree, right, because what was the.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Last time we saw someone do that? It would have
been Baltimore AND's Slughorn.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Well, and you officially can't do that because Flitwick's not
in the Order. She specifically knows that Flitwick is not
in the Order. If I don't know, I mean if
she goes to McGonagall, Mcgonigall's going to go I'm not
telling you anything because I don't trust what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
In the Order because people like theaters.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
But we know that whenever, whenever it came down to fighting,
they were both very much on board. The only person
who was hesitant with Slugmorn. So I'm more so immediate
from the perspective of they are very very clearly again,
So it just I don't.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Know if we know for sure they're not. Because in
the beginning of Order, Harry mentions at one point he
thinks he catches a glimpse of Professor Sprout at Grimaud Place.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Right, Yeah, let's know, no, let's let's not kaya. You
have a great point here.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
About the houses, and I want to hear, and I
want to I want to hear because I'm I'm intrigued
by this point.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
So, okay, this is so I feel I have been
a very strong believer since I was ten probably that
all three of our main characters being in the same.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
House is sole plot device.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Face, Like, it's actually ridiculous, Like I I don't think
that all the houses are black and white, like you
can only be in this like if you're in Gryffindor,
then you can't be smart like a raven Claw if
like they overlap, for sure, But the fact that all
three of our main characters just so happen until being
Gryffindor is kind.

Speaker 5 (36:10):
Of ridiculous to me. So I am a fan of
the Harry in an.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Alternate universe could have been in Slytherin, Hermione could have
been in raven Claw, and people like to say that
Ron could be in help Apuff, but I honestly think
he is like a very true Gryffindor, and people just
like don't give him the credit that he deserves.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
So whenever we get.

Speaker 4 (36:28):
Little moments where Hermione is so raven claw, it's just
like it makes me so happy because I'm like, in
another universe we could have had this, but we didn't
because they all have key together at all times.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
For the Plow, I mean, we we do know. We
do know from Potter More that Hermione was nearly a
hat stall, Like that's how close it is for her, right, well,
but we know how long it was specifically for Potter More,
like it wasn't just like it wasn't like because Harry
wasn't close to being a hatstall necessarily, right, the hat

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just kind of went between, whereas with Hermione, she almost
hit the full like five minute mark.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
So is Huffpuff though in what way?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Because he's Ron is very nurturing, and I don't think
people give him credit for that. Like whenever somebody is
like in need, it's Ron Who's like, let me make
you a cup of tea, right, right? Or like or
like he cares about well, well, he he cares about
his people so much. Ron does, right, and he has
that really strong sense of loyalty to the people he cares.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
About that's why so much so.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
So much so though that it blinds him sometimes and
it makes him biased, which is a very hulf a
puff thing.

Speaker 6 (37:43):
I think that you made my point for me, and
I really appreciate it. Whenever you say that he's very
loyal to his people, that is very Slytherin.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (37:53):
Well, the only the only difference in anything that Kaya said,
I would put Ron in Slytherin. Harry is the true.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I would absolutely leave Harry and Gryffindor and I get
it like we have the proof right that Harry.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Could do well in Slytherin.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I'm not saying he couldn't, but I one hundred percent
think that overall, Harry is I mean just the level
of recklessness, the level of just like that, who are
you talking? You talk about Harry Ron and yeah, yeah,
but I'm only no, no, they're not Hermione has no,
they are not.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Hermione has tried to talk Harry down and everything.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Okay, but Hermione has tried to talk Harry down in
every single book from something. So I'm not of course
that of course they all have courage. I'm not saying
they don't. I just mean in terms of who is
the most reckless. It is one thousand percent Harry by
By by a long shot. And I think, to be
honest with you, a hufflepuff, I just I don't know,

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Like I definitely do not see. I don't see Ron
as a hufflepuff. I don't see I can see Hermione
as hufflepub because I know people look at huffapuffs for
like different things, right, like hardworking, loyal. I really look
at hufflepups like I think about the song that the
hats sing in the first year when they're like they
accept the rest, like I look at hufflepuff as in like,
we don't care.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
We're not looking for you to be one specific trait.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
We don't care if you're the bravest, we don't care
if you're the most cunning, we don't care if you're
the smartest. You can be a little bit of all
of those things, and as long as you're not a pos,
come hang out with me.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
And that's why I don't think Hermione is because Hermione
does want to be the smartest all the time, that
she wants to be the top all the time.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
That's fair. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I don't I don't think any of them fit perfectly,
fit perfectly in Hufflepuff, but we all we also know
that this is a this is a this will always
be a revolving thing. This has been talked about since
like episode one or like episode whatever, right like like
just like Haya said, it's not black and white when
and people and they should absolutely resort every single year.
You should not be categorizing somebody for the next seven

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years of their life based on who they were whenever
they were eleven years old.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
We we did. We wrote a whole feature in our
second Companion about why Harry should have been a Soltherin.
Grace wrote that whole feature that is fascinating, and we
really kind of go through this whole thing and how
they kind of work together there.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
I just I always feel bad for our boy, Like
he has just been through so much, and so I
think that there are so many times about the series
where we see that he like has genuine fear that
he's going to turn out, or he's so close he
so closely resembles Baltimore in so many ways when he
doesn't like we know this, but I think like with

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his like with everything that he's had to go through.

Speaker 5 (40:43):
It's kind of hard to like not see it as that.

Speaker 4 (40:46):
And so the moment when they're talking about the charm
and Harry's like, oh, well, like that's very similar to
the like to what Baltimore does with the dark Marks.
Like he's like genuinely like I feel like there's a
sense of like an anxiety along with it, Like he
doesn't want to be tied again to something that is
so closely Like that's that's Boltimore, like through and through.

Speaker 5 (41:09):
And then I just appreciate her money.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
He's just like, oh, well, like yeah, but like also no,
like come on, babe, Like we don't have to like
jump to like that strong of a conclusion. Like it's
very similar, but it's not like in the same vein,
And I just like appreciate that kind of relationship between
those two. Like whenever Harry starts to just like get
a little bit too in his head, she like just
like brings him down a little bit because he's just

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he has the fit of his fate of the world
on his shoulders at all time, and that's not something
that a child should go through.

Speaker 6 (41:39):
Well, that's that's coming up a lot here too, because
he's been having his dreams about stuff that Baltimore's going through.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
And yeah, and yeah, it's it's there's just a big
identity this, this whole entire book is like Harry's identity crisis.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
And it almost gets worse in the next book for
a while because as he starts to learn more about
Tom Riddle and also he's heard the prophecy, and so
then he's.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Like, he's like, what am I doing?

Speaker 6 (42:07):
Right?

Speaker 5 (42:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (42:08):
Yeah, So this is a very quiddit chapter, obviously, and
I really do enjoy it. Cat took this weekend off
for a reason, I'm sure, but I do think that
the heads of house are taking this a little bit
too far. Okay, So whenever I love this so much,
do I do not? I do not As a as

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the resident sports person here, I would not like my
teachers or coaches or whoever to be like, yeah, I
really need you to win this. I really need you
to do this because because of me, has nothing to
do with you, has nothing to do with whatever. I
need you to win this. I don't like that. That's

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not my game. Not not a fan at all my gonne.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
I mean, they're kind of all in it together, though,
and I kind of think it's it's you're saying they're
putting too much pressure and maybe emotionally, but I think
it's so funny that they kind of let the kids
off a bit because they want this. Like McGonagall is like,
no homework this whole week because you have.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Enough to be getting on with that.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yet it's so obvious that she's she's so biased.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
I love it so much. It's hilarious to me.

Speaker 6 (43:26):
I agree with that. I agree with that very much.
So However, the side that I would not that you
wouldn't agree with either, is that if this were Hufflepuff
or whoever, the other the other side that professor saying, hey, Griffin,
do or class, you have this amount of homework this week.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Now, No, that's true.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
That's that's why that I'm not a I'm not like
a this is okay, this is okay. I'm more of like,
can we just not do any of it? Tree everything
as if it's normal, and I know why they're doing it.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
But Josh, you're being a hufflepuff right now. I've got
the gryffin door coming.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Out, you know, Josh, I think it's really sweet that
you're calling yourself. I'll be honest, I never really, I
never really thought of it. But the reason I like
it is because I just like any anything that makes
a character a little bit more gray. I just think
it's very interesting and I love, love love McGonagall. She's
like in my top three favorite what are these called characters?

(44:25):
Characters in my top three favorite characters and in these books,
and I just kind of like this idea of like
this being a little slip up from her, because she
is normally very she is very straight lace, and I
will be honest as somebody who just finished reading Sorcerer's
Stone Philosopher's Stone, that's very fresh in my mind right now,

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and so her just always being described as very straight lace.
She's yelling at Lee Jordan for being biased in the commentary.
You know, she's taken all these points from geffin Door
in book one, even though it's her house. So she's
straight up as like, yes, from my own house, fudder,
Like she's just very much. She starts out as like
I don't care, like I am, we abide by the law,

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and then it's like, well, if we talk in quiddache,
I know that first years aren't supposed to be on
the quiddish team. Let's put him on the team and
give him the nicest broom. Let's let him out of
class early. It's just like, I love that it is
making her. It's like it's showing the slip, and I
like that from a character. But I also agree with Josh.

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I do also agree that as a student, I can
imagine how that added level of pressure versus if she
would have been like, hey, don't stress yourself out, just
go out there and do your best. That would have
been that probably could have taken tiny little bit of
pressure off of him, versus.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Like all right, I give you no homework.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
So well, but she does phrase it right, she says,
she says, I think you have enough to be getting
on with. And then she looks at Harry and Ron
and she's like, I've gotten used to that cup, so
do try and keep it here right, you know, like
she's but and I the thing I love the most
about the this is a It really humanizes McGonagall and aligns.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Her with Harry, which I think Harry really.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Respects and likes McGonagall, but he doesn't necessarily see her
as like a like nurturing kind of figure in a.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Lot of ways.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
But she really is for him, right, And one of
those things is in yeah is quich And that's the
other thing is particularly it comes in this book where
McGonagall has no f's to give in this book, like
she does not care. So many times in this book,
I mean, you think about how much she goes after umbrage.
She actually supports Trelawney Trelawny right. She literally tells Peeves

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that something unscrews the other way so he can cause chaos,
Like she just does not care.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
This entire book is like, it's like this entire book
is just like an I did any like rearrange for everybody.
All the characters are just like yeah, I mean and
and and you know what, at the end of the day,
this and it makes sense because this is war like
all's fair in love and I don't know, because Quidditch
is love.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Okay, there we go, there we go.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Because it's the other thing too, is like as a teacher,
we all have years where we're just like, I don't
even care anymore. It's just really tough for whatever reason.
And I'm sure and McGonagall is really protective over Hogwarts
as well, Hogwarts and Dumbledore, right, and so to have
the ministry and Umbrage coming in here and trying to interfere.

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She is just like, I don't even care. Like McGonagall,
this year is going like scorched Earth. She's going full rogue.
She's like, I don't even care anymore. We are just
doing things and it's wonderful.

Speaker 6 (47:54):
So you you said that as acting very helpful Puff,
and yes, I disagree. The reason that I disagree I
think I'm acting very Gryffindor because I don't like hipp
hoccursy and like, that's what we do here, That's what
we're doing right here, is that we're.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Always kind of a Hufflepuff thing.

Speaker 6 (48:14):
Though. We're okay with McGonagall being biased toward Gryffindor, but
we're not okay with Snape now. Snape takes it too
Snape takes it too far. But Snape is biased against Gryffindor,
and we hold it, we hold that against him. I'm
not cool with that.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Here's the thing, though, that is a little bit more
Hufflepuff than Gryffindor, because I think Gryffindor sometimes as as
as the resident gryffin Puff, we when it benefits us,
we're gonna ignore it, right, because we're just gonna ignore it,
whereas Hufflepuff's more it's very much like no, like we
need to have absolute equal fair days.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yes, Gryffin Doors though will be like does it benefit us.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Then, uh, sure, gonna pretend like that we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
Love the other ring again literally just in just in
book one, whenever they put the spell on Nevill and
he's like, you know, who told me to set up
for myself?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
And Ron's like, yeah, but not to us well.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Especially when it comes to like competition, right, Like in
a competition situation, yeah, we're gonna take every advantage.

Speaker 5 (49:22):
But also with Snape.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Oh it's I feel like that it's not hypocrisy to
like let McGonagall do this and then like hate Snape
for doing this because what McGonagall is doing is only
benefiting like the growth, Like she's not doing something to
spite other houses.

Speaker 5 (49:39):
Snape is allowing his students to attack.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Oh, we're gonna get to him because he's here, only
here always well in every book always No, Josh, you
brought up like Snape's taking up all the time slots
for Slytherin's practices, and this was my thing, was I
was like, why isn't there set practice times far in

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advance for every house? Right, Why isn't there a year
long schedule of here who gets the pitch at these
different times? Why can they just book the pitch whenever?
That makes zero sense to me, right, Like.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Pitch, y'all can't just duplicate it with magic.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
You can't just be like, there gotta be a copycat
charm out there somewhere, I mean where you can just go.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I mean Hogwarts.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Supposedly the Hogwarts grounds are huge, And this was actually
the very first time that I thought to myself, why
is there even only one place for four teams to practice?

Speaker 2 (50:41):
And this is the only sport at Hogwarts.

Speaker 6 (50:45):
That's what I don't understand about, like the point of
you have to have a pitch for whatever, Like you're
talking about copycat, Why do you need a copycat charm?
All you have to do is get yeah, three hoops
to levitate in the air and you can have a
quiddage pract there there.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Yeah, I completely agree with that.

Speaker 3 (51:04):
I mean, yeah, you just have to like mark out
the diameters probably of the pitch because you can only
be in a certain space.

Speaker 6 (51:09):
Yeah, but like to run drills and stuff like you
don't really even need that, Yeah, you just need to
have something to throw the quaffle through and have the
keeper set in front of.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Like it's not that's true.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
It ain't that deep, guys, Like it's it's it's three
hoops up in the air, like you already have your broo.

Speaker 5 (51:25):
Like I.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Really want the name of this entire episode to be
it ain't that deep?

Speaker 6 (51:30):
You got it?

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, it's it.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
It doesn't honestly, And maybe this is also just my
slight like type anus where I'm like, why is there
not a set schedule all the time, Like why is
it Madam Hooch, is this not her job to be?
Like the Hufflepuffs get to practice from this time to
this time on Mondays and Wednesdays, and the Raven Claws
are on Tuesdays and Thursdays from this time to this time,

(51:57):
and the Slytherins get this time in this time, Like
why is it that snape can just be like I'm
taking the pitch for everybody for Slytherin every day, like
somebody to do an episode with me on how much
I cannot stand Madam Hooch and how she is.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
She is?

Speaker 1 (52:16):
So I do not even understand what she was appointed
to do.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Like, she's just a coach basically, She's just a wref. Okay,
she doesn't coach, but she's just a ref basically, and
she teaches.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Flying which way, you know what, We'll get there, we
will get there, we will get well.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
That I think that's part of the reason why she's
not called professor. She's not an actual teacher. Madam well
like Madam Pince Madam, it's it's it's supports staff, right,
Like that's the title for the support staff. But here's

(53:00):
my other thing too that goes on in this chapter.
How is no one getting in trouble for these intimidation tactics?

Speaker 7 (53:06):
Right?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
People are literally attacking people in the hallways. Why is
it Dumbledore stepping in? Why doesn't Quidch have a code
of conduct? Like every school I've taught at and been
at for athletes, there is a code of conduct and
if you break that code of conduct, you're getting kicked
off the team, right, So why is that not happening here?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Why is oh my gosh, which who is it that curses? Alicia?

Speaker 6 (53:34):
Alicia Lysia Spanna turned up in the hospital wing with
her eyebrows are growing so thick and fast that they
obscured her vision? Was it? Who know? But who? Who who?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
It's one of the beaders. No, not a beater, it's
either yeah, Like why is he not?

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Because they literally that is a rule at Hogwarts that
you can't be doing magic in the hallways.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Alison, who witnessed them tons of kids?

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Was this the one with the fourteen?

Speaker 6 (54:04):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
But but you're but you're literally asking how was Noma
getting in trouble? And it literally says in the text
that Snape ignored it. That's why because you.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Go to another teacher. Why didn't they go to Dumbledore?

Speaker 6 (54:15):
Then?

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Why is Dumbledore not getting involved?

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Do you really think that Dumbledore? Do you really think
that Dumbledore is taking knocks from students? This person took
my I Like, Dumbledore is above this. Let's just be honest,
like this is not.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
That's his job. No, master of the school.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
No, Dumbledore has never been the disciplinarian of Hogwarts.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
So we are four hundred and sixty episodes into this podcast,
we are five books into the series during this cha
during this chapter, and Alison, if there's one thing that
is always going to be true about these books, the
teachers don't really do anything.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I mean, that's not true.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
The teachers don't do enough. The teachers that he just
let too many things slide.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Let's say that. Let's there are and and when you
were talking all the time though, but you're.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Talking about these fourteen eyewitnesses and I'm like, cis are
you even watching the quidditch games? You have the entire school,
But here's what you're seeing, the violence, witnessing violence, And
where's Madam Hooch, I don't know, taking a nap like.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
Madam Madam who, Madam who.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Become Madam who?

Speaker 6 (55:25):
Time? Okay, there was a blugger, blood blugger. I'm done,
I'm done, blood out, i am done. I am done.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Anyway, That's still my thing, though, was it?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Because if I was them, I listen, If I was McGonagall,
I would have been going to Dumbledore after I heard
this fourteen eyewitnesses and Snape did nothing. If I was McGonagall,
if I was Minerva, I'd be standing in that office
screaming at out this being, like my students are being
attacked and freaking sever his Snape over here isn't doing.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
A dang thing.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
And she's disciplined other students from other houses before, So
why isn't she just like you're out plot plot?

Speaker 2 (56:10):
It's plot.

Speaker 6 (56:11):
Also, also, let's just have a real quick reenactment of
what Dumbledore would say if that happened. My dear McGonagall,
Voldemort is back. I don't care at all about this.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
My dear Alvis Boaltimore is back.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
I'm trying to make things good for these kids, and
yet they're all attacking each other, which is not gonna
help us in the long run of bringing us all together.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Allison, you thinking that Dumbledore should be getting involved in
quitted squabbles is kind of like And also McGonagall doesn't
even need Dumbledore. Mcgonaga is scarier than dumble Doore. She
doesn't even need it.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
It's just why doesn't she do something here?

Speaker 1 (56:48):
This is literally why this episode is so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
And then I know that one of you were about.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
To say something about how Madam Hooch was actually disciplined
in Crab So I'm like, so the one time that
you actually aren't reprimanding somebody, you're taking.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
So long to do it, You're putting so much enthusiasm
into it that.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
You're missing You're missing the actual, the big thing that's
happening right behind you, and then you turn around, not
knowing what happened. You want to throw a spell, and
now Harry came blake.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
It is no more. Okay, well that's not her fault.
But we're gonna get there. We'll get there.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Let's get there, Let's get where are we at, Let's
get there. We're not sorry, all right, that's all we
need to know.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah, Kaya kaya.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Are you on board with snaping sucky?

Speaker 6 (57:37):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Because I hate that man my entire heart and soul,
and no one I've had people try to convince me
otherwise and pulling, grasping at straws. I'm like, okay, if
we just like ignore like all the big things he's done,
like he also just like is terrible.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
I eat ignoring all these texts like he is.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
The one I'll never I'll never forgive him for his
goblet of fire when hermiond he gets attacked and her
teeth are growing and he body shames of fourteenth Patrol.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Yeah, but he's so in love with his past lover,
so it's fine.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Fourteen She didn't even love him.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
He's just obsessed with him, or he's just obsessed with her.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, anyway, so.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
Performance anxiety.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Sorry, I'm sorry.

Speaker 6 (58:38):
Ron has performance anxiety.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Allison, I didn't you took it there?

Speaker 6 (58:44):
And I mean I was well on the leather.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Okay, we're moving.

Speaker 6 (58:52):
Ron has pretty much gitters and I don't blame I
don't blame him. I really don't blame him for being nervous.
No blame him. I blame him for maybe you shouldn't
even try it out then see that.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
No, no, we're gonna shut that down right now, because
this is this has been Ron's dream for a long time,
right from the Mirror of aer said in the Mirror
of Aero said he saw himself as head boy and
quidditch captain right and now here he is. He's been
made a prefect this year when he thought Harry was

(59:29):
gonna be the prefect. He's like, maybe this is my
chance to be able to kind of, you know, like
do my thing.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
And of course he's gonna be nervous, like it's his
first big.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Match, and I just, yes, listen, poor Ron, and he's
just he's just not sure if he's ever gonna Ron.
I think Ron is an interesting case. And I again,
I don't think we give him enough credit. And I
think we could make the case that Ron has some anxiety, right, well,

(01:00:04):
but like Ron could I mean, if you wanted to,
like armchair diagnose Ron just as a human being with anxiety.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Right, if none of us have a license for that,
then we should not.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
That.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Yeah, But that's why I said, like armchair diagnose, right,
because this happens a lot, right, Like he wants to
be he well, he's got some self confidence issues for sure, right.
He wants to be as good as Harry, he wants
to be as good as Hermione. He wants to feel
worthy to be a part of this group, and he
so doesn't. And so here he is at his first

(01:00:43):
quidditch match, right where he's going to be playing with
two of his brothers and his best friend who are
like really good quidditch players. He has this family history
of really good quidditch players in his family. He wants
to prove himself and he's not sure if he's going
to be able to do that. And that's I mean,
that's Ron's story basically, is he wants to prove himself

(01:01:05):
and he's never quite sure if he's going to be
able to do that. And he often gets so stuck
in his own head about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yeah, no, I'm very I'm very aligned with that. It's
why I've said over and over, out of the Trio,
Ron is the most relatable as far as like what
as what us regular regular people go through in our lives.
Like he is the most regular, he is the most like,
he's he's the most person. He's the person who you
can relate to the most. And it's also why I

(01:01:32):
am very much I think Ron is such a very
unique and special type of Gryffinder because if you think
about someone who has like a comeback out of the
Trio really like Ron, not Ron. Harry and Hermione are
very consistent for the most part throughout the series.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
But like when you think.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
About like Ron is the one who's like constantly had
his fears, his insecurities being on display, and yet he
continues to come back. So I think like in terms
of like courage, to me, that's something that's not called
out enough. But I'm not gonna lie I was having
just because I was just getting so tired of hearing it.
I did have a moment where I was aligned with
Josh and I was like, boy should have been Quentin

(01:02:10):
in But in my heart, in my heart, I am
so proud of him because that is so hard what
he did.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
And I mean, Weasley is our king. I would have left.
I would have I know we will, but I would
have left.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
So like I just feel like, yes, I'm I am
in alignment with Allison on this props to run.

Speaker 6 (01:02:33):
Yeah. My my frustration in the in the git like
not even the jitters, just like the anxiety comes. It's
probably coming from book six. Uh whatever you put it
into the perspective of this is his first match in
front of everyone that I get that when he is
continuing to have the same thing in book six is

(01:02:54):
wherever I go. Dude, come on, Bob.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
That's fair, that's fair. But that makes sense right, Like
I no, I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
It's not about it's the amount. It's the amount of
like I cannot perform here because of this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Yeah, but you gotta blame Harry because Harry put him
back on the team.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
But I have to blame HERMANI because she uh jinks,
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
That's because that's because would have been a way better.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
We're but I kind of get that, like listen, listen,
and maybe maybe this is me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Kind of projecting around a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
But I get that right, Like I've been performing for
the majority of my life, and yet every time I
go to a performance of any sort, I get super
nervous before, right, and I get super like pessimistic too,
and I get super like I am not pretty, especially
if I'm in charge of a performance. You can ask

(01:03:51):
anyone who I've directed in the show of any sort, like,
like I I get that right, Like I get really fatalistic.
And I think that's what Ron does too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
But as soon as he's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Actually out there and he's got he like is back
in the groove of it, he's fine, right, But as
soon as he starts thinking about it too much, he's
not fine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
He's not okay. I love him for it, thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
I love Ron like so much. I love him and
go like to go off of.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
What you guys were saying to were like, oh, like
he should have just quit or like the YadA YadA
YadA is sure, But at the same time I was
thinking about it. And quidditch is like the thing at Hogwarts,
like we see it obviously with McGonagall and Snake like
it is held at such a high standard. So if
he was really that bad, he a would not admit

(01:04:43):
the team and be would have been kicked off, Like
they wouldn't have kept someone on who like sucked, And
so it makes me really really sad that like he
gets so in his head and I feel like this
is just stemming from his family and like being the
youngest of five six siblings seven, well is Jenny seven,

(01:05:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Yeah, well, well Genny is seven, so he's he's the
youngest of the sea.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Because like I feel like we don't see this a
lot with as much with Jenny because she is.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Like so far far removed.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
Like if there were other like daughters in the mix,
I feel like we would see it a little bit.
But like Ron has these five boys that are older
than him, who are so like accomplished to just like
constantly be comparing himself to and so it's it would
get to your head, especially because like it's also mentioned
that Fred and George denied the fact that they were

(01:05:39):
related to him, which okay, siblings, but also like seriously, seriously, dude, like.

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
You though I think it is too, but also like
when you start to like add things up on top
of each other, like that would be like the thing
that I was like, no, it is like I'm done,
so I just feel so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Yeah, okay, so you are outnumbered here. I just said that.

Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
I take it back because it's the first one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Okay, well you can't take it back. We can't unhear it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
There's like you can do nothing now but sit there
and be outnumbered like you are.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I feel your shame.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
Okay. Yes, in my house, I have a wife and
two daughters. I am also outnumbered. Like, I get it through.
I'm not scared of being outnumbered.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
It's actually a great thing that you are a griffin dirty. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
I was actually wondering and is this the first time
that Hermione kissed Ron? Because one thing I really thought
that was kind of cute about this is like, even
though Ron is in this like stupor of you know, insecurity,
he does perk up a lot bit He's like, she
just kissed me. And I was like, I, okay, you
felt that though.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
I love this. I love this because.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
There's a lot of that in this chapter actually, with
Hermione being very very caring towards Ron, like yes, we
always talk about how like oh, Hermione and Ron are
always like arguing, and that's why people are like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
That's what they wouldn't work well together as a couple,
and I'm like, shut up. They challenge each other, that's
part of what makes them so great.

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
But in times like this, like Hermione can tell that
Ron needs some comfort and some encouragement, and so she
does that throughout this entire chapter, right, And Jenny does
this too in this chapter, which I think is great
because like they sit down across from Harry and Ron
at breakfast, and Jenny is the first one to talk, right,

(01:07:30):
and she's like, how are you feeling?

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Right, And she and Hermione are really checking in with Ron.
So yes, they might challenge him, they might, you know,
butt heads sometimes, but when it really comes down to it,
they really do care. And then you've got this sweet kiss, right,
which I think it is the first time, and it's
just on the cheek, but still like it's that little
extra nudge of like, hey, like I really do care

(01:07:54):
about you, you know. And then when Ron comes back
at the end of the chapter and he's like distraught,
it's Hermione who like gets up right away and she's like,
where have you been?

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Are you okay? What happened, right, She's she's worried about him.

Speaker 6 (01:08:11):
I just, yeah, I think it's really sweet that Hermione
is trying to relate. We know that Hermione does not
get quoted, she doesn't understand like how important it is,
all that kind of stuff, but she's trying to relate
to ron By. Like I think, like, if I have
nerves before an exam, I think that's a great sign.
So maybe you having nerves before this match is a

(01:08:32):
great soign. That's where I yeah, that's where I got
like really kind of thrilled about their relationship, is like, well,
she's given the shot, like you know it Like personally,
my wife doesn't understand anything that I do, but she
does try to relate what I'm going through to what
she can, and you just kind of give a different perspective.

(01:08:52):
So I really liked that piece.

Speaker 4 (01:08:54):
This is why I have never been a fan of
people who think that Harry and her Remid you should
have ended up together, because it's so obvious to me
that they Hermione cares for both of these boys so much.
But if you're it's like, are we reading the same book?
It's so like where this care is coming from is
so different for both of them, and I think like

(01:09:16):
this scene especially is just like so it makes that
so obvious, like, yes, she cares for Harry, but it's.

Speaker 5 (01:09:23):
Not in the same way that she cares Ron.

Speaker 6 (01:09:25):
And if you just.

Speaker 5 (01:09:25):
Read the text on the book, like it's very clear.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Yeah, did sheet Harry too or does she only cas Ron?

Speaker 8 (01:09:32):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Just Ron? Well there it is, there, it is.

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
See.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Here's the thing though, this and I think it kind
of starts here because this all started to like really
take shape after they argued at the mule Ball, right,
Like that was the moment I think where both of
them had to kind of like confront Oh yeah, maybe
I do like like them, right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
And so I think it's kind of taken to this.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
Point for her mind to Hermione to be like, I'm
gonna take that initiative, right, I'm gonna go out there
and I'm gonna actually start showing him how I feel
because she's more mature and.

Speaker 6 (01:10:06):
Well yeah, well so there's there's all of that, and
there there's also the fact of like Harry also doesn't
need this either.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Harry does saying Harry doesn't need Hermione's kiss. Is that
what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
Yes, yeah, he doesn't just wanted to hear you kiss
right there, come to that realization. Yet that would have
been so weird if Genny would have.

Speaker 6 (01:10:34):
Went up to kiss Oh yeah, Harry would have been like,
that would have woken.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
One one bloggers and blugg one. Oh my god, that
would have to is where. But I do agree. I
do agree with what Josh said. I was gonna say
the same thing that that's very relatable to to real life,

(01:10:58):
like even if you don't like, even if you don't
like understand, if you like you love someone and you
see you really care about them and you see that
they are struggling, you really just want to try to
do or say anything that's going to that's going to
make them feel better. And I think I think it's
just such a moot point about Hermione and Ron arguing

(01:11:18):
a lot, because that's like, I mean, I don't know
if we can say sexual tension on this podcast, but
all I'm saying is all i'mna say, is I bet
you they argued a lot less after Deathly Hollows.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Okay, A lot of a lot of the arguing, a
lot of that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Bickering was because both of them were a little bit
in denial about their feelings, but once they are both
able to let their guard down, and like, I'm just saying,
like all that arguing that was that was before.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
They actually yeah, started going out.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
I mean, I've said it Jo that, I've said it
before that I actually think the way that Ron Hermione
like argue is not them doing it out of.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Anger or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
It's just them challenging each other, right, yeah, because they
they so often that's just what they do for each other.
They're like, I know you can do something better, so
I'm going to challenge you on that, and I'm going
to challenge you back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
And that's kind of that's just part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
And that's not necessarily a bad thing. And sure, when
they're teenagers, it's immature and that's why they're more arguing
than like being honest about it. But whenever people are like,
they wouldn't have lasted as a couple, I'm like, but
they would have because they would have matured past all.

Speaker 2 (01:12:33):
The arguing, I'm sure, and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
They would have understood that, Okay, what I'm actually doing
is trying to challenge you to be a better person,
and you're challenging me to be a better person.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
And if they don't, they're boring. Like if you're not
being challenged by your partner, like you're bored.

Speaker 3 (01:12:47):
Yeah, they're they're trying to make each other better and
make themselves better and that's why they do what they do,
right and so, but it is it's nice to have
a very sweet hermine towards wrong moment here.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
Yeah, you know, it's not sweet finding out that Ron's
big save during the equiddage practice of falling off of
his broom to kick the blood uh kick the quaffle
into the opposing hoop was all by accident, because but
it's so funny. It's a good accident. Now, to be fair,
the worst, the worst possible thing you can do during

(01:13:24):
a quiddage matches fall off your broom. So Ron, let's
wark on it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
But it is that the worst possible thing? Why is
that the worst possible thing you can do? Why is
that any worse than letting letting the quaffle in?

Speaker 6 (01:13:35):
Because if you fall off, you're not guarding the hoops anymore. One.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yeah, but then he then you'd actually have a good
reason for missing I'd rather be like, oh I didn't
I missed it because I fell off the broom versus
I was sitting right here and I just kept letting
them in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
But you know, perspective, I.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Mean, it's gotta be difficult, right, well for sure, big.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Three of them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
And I mean, like, listen, yeah, I only played soccer
for one year in kindergarten and I mostly picked flowers.
But like I've heard that being the goalie is the
most difficult position, so like, yeah, I mean it's like
it's almost like, not exactly like dodgeball, but it's like
you're you're literally a sitting duck, like you're like your

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job is to stay in this one spot when and
everyone else is trying to throw balls at you. Yeah, yeah,
I do though that that when he says that though,
when he's like, I fell off my broom and I
accidentally kicked it, and that's so funny to.

Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
Wait, it's just so funny. I love Harry's like hype
Man steads like, well, a few more accidents like that
and we'll churse Lyther like where the guy that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Look there, everybody's being such good friends to Ron.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
I love that you can see the closeness and the
transparency between these and I think that's really beautiful.

Speaker 6 (01:15:00):
A dog outside you feed it, That's what happens. That's why,
that's why everyone's being so nice. I mean, like if
you I'm just talking about Phil.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
And pity, I would not call run a straight dog.

Speaker 6 (01:15:11):
They're taking pity, they're taking pity on him anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:15:14):
You know who's not taking pity on him is the
Slytherins because they suck. So yeah, we've got all these
things of like before the match, we're we're kind of
jumping around here a little bit, but before the match,
you know, the Slytherins are all going around, they're making
fun of the whole team. They're coming for Harry. Harry

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is like, first of all, sassy Harry. He makes an
appearance here and he's like I would be more worried
if he's aiming for the guy next to me, right,
And it just Harry's used to this, right, He's had
four years to get used to this, not even counting
the fact that you know, people come after him for

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things that aren't quidditch too. He's literally had his name
dress in the paper all summer. Like Harry doesn't care.
He doesn't care.

Speaker 6 (01:16:07):
Yeah, and it's not just like four years. I mean
he goes back to his upbringing. I mean he got
started with this with Dudley, you know, when oh yeah,
Nedley's talking to him about like getting swirlid, and Harry's
response is, well, I don't think the toilets ever, head
anything is as bad as as as your head in
it before you're heading it it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
Also, though, I think is interesting because Harry's used to this, right,
but Ron has always been in the background of that, right, Like,
He's never really had anybody specifically targeting him, which I
think is fascinating to think about, because that's one of
the things with Ron's like anxiety and self confidence issues
is He's always a little jealous of Harry's fame, right

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but when he actually gets a taste of that high
pressure situation and people directly coming after him, he's like,
oh wait, noah, I don't like this, right, Like, He's
like never, which it's just fascinating to think about that,
you know, seeing things from the other side.

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
Well, for Ron, like he has required this throughout his
friendship with Harry Too and Goblet of Fire. He was
mad at Harry for being in the being in the
tournament because he was jealous of the attention he was
going to get and all these kind of things, and
then he saw the dragon and he went, oh, maybe
you didn't want to die this year. That's crazy. And

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so you know, Ron is very much a learned by
experience kind of person that can't he can't he can't
like interpolate between where he's at now and where he
could be uppear for this, and so he has to
experience it and then you know, eventually it becomes a
little bit too much. Yeah, but we do have the

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iconic scene of Luna and her lion. I get, is
it a headdress? Is it a hat? What do they
call it a headdress? Okay, I think they call it
a head So I mean, this thing is sick. I'm
not I have I have no no bad things to
say about it, which is astound thing. I'm pretty pessimistic.
This thing's awesome. I'm glad that it doesn't have the

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snake in it. Like she said she wanted to put
a snake in its mouth. I'm like, that may be
too much, sweetie.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
I think it would have been epic, and I love
that her excuse for it is well, there just wasn't time,
and so I'm like, how long did this snake you
live right? Or did you super procrastinate? Because listen, Luna
seems like the type. It would be a very like
a very like successful procrastinating like yeah, she just she

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just would. And I think the snake would have been
hilarious and epic.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
And yeah, I loved it.

Speaker 6 (01:18:49):
Yeah, I mean it roars lifelike like enough to where
people around her life what's happening here? It's really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
And you can hear it amongst the crew out at.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
The quidditch match, which is this is a big pitch
right like it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Mean, honestly, just all the creativity in this chapter in general,
it's just as a fellow creative, I just love to
see these young minds coming up with all of these
creative things and and as and at such a young age.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
It's just very inspiring. Thank you, Luna.

Speaker 6 (01:19:25):
Well something that is creative, and please do not bite
my head off for this. The Weasley is our King
Buttons and the song it's it's really creative.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
It is it. I was singing it yesterday.

Speaker 6 (01:19:39):
It is like I disagree. I disagree with all of it.
Once you start making fun of social status, like all
of those things like all of those like actually hurtful things.
If you would just sing Weasley as our king to
have gamesmanship and throw the opposing team off, I have

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no that at all.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Here's here's my thing.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
I think it becomes it very quickly becomes really gross
unsportsmanlike agree and that the teacher should have stepped in,
the players should not have been wearing those badges that
should not have been allowed. It's so targeted towards Ron
specifically that it becomes straight up bullying, and that's just

(01:20:25):
not right right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
I get there's like rivalries whatever, but I've just I've
also seen and I think it's it's come up in
a lot of different sports in the past few years.
People can get really nasty with these kinds of things,
and they can take it too far. And I think,
with God, the Slytherins have done it here.

Speaker 6 (01:20:44):
Yeah, I agree that they took it too far.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
I mean, I think, like Allison said, the fact that
it it wasn't just like the team right like it
Like I remember in high school, like the cheerleaders, there
was the like every time the auto list and you
don't know the terms, but whenever someone would go to
do like the X point thing whatever they would have
this year, and it was like, we want you to
miss it like that is like it's it's general, right,

(01:21:07):
like you get it, like it's it's yeah, it is distracting,
and it's kind of like, oh, you know, well, I
don't want to miss it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
But like you said, like to call out one player.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Yeah, And this is why, once again, I'm just I'm
not giving credit to any of these teachers, coaches, madams.
I'm not giving credit to any of them because McGonagall.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Literally would not allow Lee.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Jordan to to be biased for Griffin Door. And you
are allowing an entire yeah and entire maybe not literally
the entire stadium, but twenty five percent of a stadium
to sing this hateful, horrible song.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
And I know that we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
We don't know because these characters aren't they're not mentioned,
but we're told on I don't know how many different occasions, right,
Like everyone came to the match, so we can assume
there are probably dozens of teachers out here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Snape no, never expected him to do anything. Don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I'm not I don't even care to address it. Like
we we don't, We have no expectations, but the fact
that McGonagall let this happen like this is like, gro
what are you doing when.

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
It could have been stopped so easily too, Like this
is this is a simple and it's over, you know
what I mean, Like I didn't even.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Think about solens, Like it's not hard. Can you do
a mass one?

Speaker 6 (01:22:27):
Yes? Yeah, Voltimore does a mass or also.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Start handing out detentions like come on, I just start
taking points.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
It's just it just maybe maybe some of it too.

Speaker 3 (01:22:42):
Is it reminds me of In the past few years,
there have been several incidents, especially in college sports, of
like really nasty things said to like players of color
on different teams, right or this is this is me
a and projecting be a little personal again, but there's

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been a lot of crap with like BYU, which is
my alma mater, and some terrible things people have said
at like opposing sides that like BYU football games and stuff,
which is it's like, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Do this kind of crap, right, like this is not
this is not what it's about. I think that's just.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Like a thin line between you know, you're you're joking,
like it's you know, we can we can be competitive,
but also like, y'ah, this is a sport. Yeah, okay,
this is your life where you're not even gonna be
like physically able to play this sport.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
This isn't like this sport is is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
It feels like it's your entire life right now, but
actually it's a small piece of who you are. Who
you are is much bigger than this, and tearing down
another human being is just not really worth it. And
again I don't think Harry belongs in Slytherin. We just
keep coming up with examples all through this chapter.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
But I will digress.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
But what is what is not gross but is iconic
is Lee's commentary. I missed Lee's commentary.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Lee Jordan amazing. I love the when he's.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
Talking about Angelina with the quaffle and he says, I've
been saying it for years, but she still won't go
out with me.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
And I'm like, you shoot your shot, Lee Jordan, you
knew it. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
I mean I not respect that too, like, and I
don't understand why will Angelina go out with him? This
man is shooting his shot in front of the entire school.
I'm absolutely drawing out with you. This is a whole
other level of courage and confidence, like and then you, y'all,
I don't remember which twin she went out with, and
she goes with Fred.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Okay, I knew you would know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Okay, So she goes she goes to the ball with
Fred and book four and I just gotta follow up questions,
why did we never hear anything else about that?

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Was that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Just like, hey, but what I'm saying, But was that
like a Okay, we hear about Percy having a girlfriend,
and yet friend George are the ones who are so popular,
they're the ones that are so cool, but they never
they never have girlfriends.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
Listen, we're gonna head canon this little bit, Okay, especially
this year, Fred and George are so are so more
invested in their business, right. I do think Fred and
Angelina were kind of like an on again, off again
thing for quite a while and they were just and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
They yeah, and they never showed up in Quiddache.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
Oh I'm sure I did, but Harry just wasn't paying
attention to that, right, Like, and I feel like maybe too.
She's such a driven person as well. I can see
her being like I don't want to like be involved.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
With something like I don't. I don't want to, like,
I got a committed relationship.

Speaker 3 (01:25:39):
Right now, you know, right, So there's kind of that.
But I mean she marries George in the end, so
she did. Yeah, Angelina and George get married, and she.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
Again.

Speaker 3 (01:26:00):
That's why I'm like, it's probably like on again, off again,
back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Okay, I'm sure I did not. Apparently, so apparently there
was follow up, so let me type.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Okay, so there's honestly a lot there was follow up
on this, So this is okay, Okay, So why won't
Angelina go out with Lee?

Speaker 6 (01:26:15):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Is that what you were saying that she's like she
doesn't have time that or I think she you know,
she had a thing for Fred.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
Maybe, but that's fair. Fair, that's fair, Josh. That's when
she doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
This is true.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
I was just I was honestly just curious, Like I mean,
Fred didn't Fred didn't even.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Try that hard.

Speaker 1 (01:26:39):
He was just like, Hey, we go to the dance.
She's like, okay, this guy is like exactly in front
of the whole Quitts pitch and You're like, as if.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
But honestly, respect on both sides, right that, Like Lee's
gonna shoot his shot in front of the whole school,
and Angelina is gonna say, no, I don't want that,
so like respect on both sides. But then of course
McGonagall tries.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
To shut him down, as she always doesn't try to
shut down the Weasley is are a king, but shut
down on Lee Jordan. Okay, yeah, yeah, ok.

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
I like, historically do not laugh when I read, like
it's just comedy on paper, does not come.

Speaker 5 (01:27:19):
It's not like it doesn't hit for me.

Speaker 4 (01:27:21):
I audibly laugh every single time Lee Jordan says anything,
and I think, like, I don't think I appreciate him
enough when I've read the books when I was younger,
and now as I.

Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
Reread them, I'm like, wow, like you really are I
love you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
But he said something like he was going back and
forth like saying everything that was happening during the match,
and he says something about like oh Angelina, like.

Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
You can do it, you got this? Oh wait, no,
just kidding you don't or something like along those.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
Lines, and I'm like, I love you, but also like
I feel like he just he stream of consciousness, like
that's that's his strategy, Like he does not think before
he says anything, and I am no.

Speaker 6 (01:28:00):
Yeah, just like hey, but.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
He actually is telling us what happens in the match,
and I think it's actually a very clever way to
move the action of this match along, is by just
having this really quick fire of like of Lee's commentary.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
I love that he does his best to cover up
the singing, Like I love that at first he's the
one who first like draws attention to it, and he's like,
oh crap, right, and so he tries to like make
up for that. I also love that he can tell
Fred and George apart at a certain distance, because the
first time he knows exactly which one it is. The
second time he's like, wait it's this one, No, it's
the other one, whatever, it doesn't matter. It's one of them, right,

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Which is like he's there, bff and he can tell
them apart, right, And I Oh, it's just it's so good.
It's so good more Lee Jordan love. We haven't had
that for a while.

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
So the narration talks like going back to the song.
The narration talks about how like the entire stadium is
chanting the song now, which which points too that there's
more than just Slytherin singing this right, Like what's happening.
Do we actually think that Hufflepuffs and Raven Clauds would
fall in this. I don't think so either. But maybe

(01:29:18):
maybe it's just like the gravity of like the nerves,
because like we're experiencing this from Harry's perspective, and like
he's feeling for his friend that's going through this, that
is that's here all this stuff. You know, he knows
the nerves where they started, where they have to be now.
And so I wonder how much of this has to
do with like, when something bad is happening, it just

(01:29:41):
feels like the whole world is caving in on you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:43):
So I don't think it's the other ones, right, because
it specifically says the Slytherin's up to a point, and
then it says trying to ignore the chorus now thundering
through the stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
And I think that's just the volume of it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
Yeah, that it's like echoing around. That's not necessarily indicating
that that it's it's other people, though it does say
the Slytherin supporters who were roaring, So it's the Slytherins
and anybody who I guess the Slytherin's a anyone who
would support them is technically supporting them. But again, like
I've seen like like I've seen like I like I

(01:30:20):
said earlier, I think in this case, the Hufflepuffs are
rooting for gryffindor more of them. And I mean again,
maybe it is some raven clause on the southern side
by this point, but I think it's mostly it's mostly
just the sos.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Yeah, I mean this has been the case throughout most
of the books, Like people are just really excited to
beat Slytherin. But I do think it would be very
naive of us to believe that there are no raven Claws,
no no Hufflepuffs, and even no Slytherin I mean sorry,
even no Gryffinders that are not friends with a Slytherin,
right like if I mean, if listen, if I'm in
raven Claw, and if my bestie is in Slytherin, and

(01:31:03):
I mean, are you gonna be loyal to your best
friend or are you gonna be loyal to gryffindor just
because in general, you don't you know what I mean,
Like it's and and then these are things we don't
ever see right like again, like in the books, like
they keep it very very segregated. But if this were
real life, chances are Slytherin could have been in the
da and and there could have been a hufflepuff out

(01:31:27):
there sharing for a Slytherin, although we don't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
We don't want to be with that.

Speaker 6 (01:31:31):
See I think that whenever, whenever I was thinking about
the like other houses joining the end of the song,
it's it's it's almost like kind of more sinister on
on Why I think that is, like if if they
did join in, I wonder if it has more to
do with like the other houses believe that their quiddage

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teams can beat Slytherin, but they don't believe they can
beat Gryffindor. So if they see something is happening that
is hurting the Gryffindor team, they're going to join in
to try to make sure that Gryffindor loses.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
I could see that, Thank you moving on, I.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Could see that. But there's also the fact that this
song has several verses that all the Slytherins have been
like practicing and writing up to this point. So I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
I mean again, it's one of those things that like
we don't know the book suggests it's mostly Slytherins.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
They're just really loud. So and despite all of this,
Surfinder still wins the because of Harry.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Yes, so Slytherin, y'all practice those lines, y'all spend all
those times Pansy you down there doing all that conducting,
and y'all still lost. And I will have to me
that's the only silver lining of that song. As y'all
went through all that effort to bring somebody down in
the end, they still won. Like you literally still mat

(01:33:00):
How does that make you feel?

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
Also, by the end of the year, the Gryffindors are
gonna like reclaim it from you, so.

Speaker 6 (01:33:08):
That yes, yeah, so the match is over. We have
we have some excitement from the Gryffindors winning obviously, and
then the light hit from Crab Crab hits the bludder,
hits Harry square in the back. He falls on the ground.
It's pretty much over at that point, and then here

(01:33:31):
comes Malfoy.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
It is over, Harry's. I like the game.

Speaker 6 (01:33:35):
I meant like the blood like it could have been
Overloos with the end with the blood you're hitting Harry's
they're talking about like he's talking with Angelina about the
match or Alicia.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Yeah, the whole game there and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Uh yeah, which can we just talk about crab hitting
this blood over for a second, like it infuriates me?

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Like Dean Thomas was right, where are the red cards
in this game?

Speaker 6 (01:34:02):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Like where when you are intentionally doing something that can
be so damaging and this is outside the rules?

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Yeah, well, Madam Hooch did, Like, I mean, we don't
know what she does she does now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
Granted we we.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
End up finding out later that he only gets lines
and that I assume comes from snape, I assume, but like,
I mean, it's so obviously there was no there was
no justice in the end. Quick question about the bludgers.
Are there any rules about where you can hit people
or like during that I don't think. So, Okay, during
the game you can do anything with that, yes, okay.

Speaker 5 (01:34:35):
Got it?

Speaker 6 (01:34:36):
Okay, And if you're if you're if you're an elf,
you can you can like make it magical. It's where
it only goes after Harry is crazy, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
I think, I mean, I think I think that's I mean,
you really can't control during a game, right, Like you
can hit it in some direction, but it also kind
of has like a life of its own.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
I know, like, you know, like you can't block in
the back.

Speaker 1 (01:34:58):
In my head, I was like, hitting a bludzer of
someone's back just seems like I mean, and I know
they got Madam Pump or who can be like, no,
it's better now, But I was like, I feel like
it made me go like like I felt in my back.
I was like that just sounds horrible, But I'm curious
to know, just a quick round of like yes, not

(01:35:20):
yes or no, but like which was worse what Crab
did or what Malfoy did?

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Was it worse? Okay? Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
I'm gonna go crab.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
Okay, I'm gonna go Crab as well. Okay, So we're
we're on the same thing because I mean, okay, hitting
someone like we're literally and I know, I know that
there's the argument that words can harm.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
I get that, and I know that that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
But also Malfoy is not really saying anything that he
hasn't said before. He's already talked about Ron's but like
these things like and it doesn't make it okay. Let
me be very clear, it does not make it okay.
But it's moments like this where I know the emotional
maturity is not there, but I just really want Harry

(01:36:10):
to know that Malfoy is doing this specifically because he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
To know that you're getting to him.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
And honestly, the best way that you could have just
like that, you really could have been like suck on
that is, is to just go celebrate, just continue to celebrate, no,
extremely ignore him and like so anyway, I felt like
what Crap did was worse. What Malfoy did was also
horrible disgusting. I agree, but I don't know. I was

(01:36:38):
just curious, And I'm also curious, is this the first
time that we see Malfoy we honestly ron Harry, yes,
but is this the first time that we see Malfoy
talking about the Weasleys in front of the twins specifically?

Speaker 6 (01:36:51):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
I think so because they they don't interact much, exactly
Chamber in Chamber when they bring up Malfoy, when they
to rescue Harry from the Dursley's friend, George are like, wait,
Lucy is Malfoy's kid, right, like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
That little snot nos kid? Right. They don't interact much.
This is why I thought this was really interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
I think Malfoy's intended goal was to get to Harry
by making fun of Ron. And here's the thing is,
this is why Harry breaks here, because Harry can take
anything thrown at him directly. When someone comes after somebody

(01:37:33):
Harry loves, he won't set for it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:37):
But Harry broke whenever Malfoy talked about Lily.

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Not yes, because Harry loves Lily. I mean, it's not
about Harry himself personally. But that's the thing is, that's
when Harry breaks. Harry breaks when Harry's like, talk whatever
crap you want about me personally individually, I don't care.
But the second you start coming for my best friend,
my surrogate parents and my mother.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
All bets are off.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Also, emotions are running high, right, adrenaline's running high.

Speaker 2 (01:38:05):
They just got out of this match.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
All bets are off as soon as you come after
people Harry loves and anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
But that's very inconsistent.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
Again, I just read book one and they were talking
about how Malfoy was like, oh, yeah, you know, I
feel bad for the people who don't have people who
love them or you know, their parents, blah blah blah,
and Harry was like he was like I don't care.
I'm happy to stay here for the holidays. So I
do get what you're saying. But I do not think
that is consistent throughout the book because throughout these throughout
these books, there are moments where Malfoy says horrible, horrible

(01:38:34):
things about many people, and sometimes Harry can let it
bounce off of him, and then sometimes he can't, which
is a very human thing. Like you just said, emotions
are running high. But to be I mean, to be fair,
I feel like it should have been the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Harry should be so excited that he, like, to me,
this is the time for it to bounce off of him.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Because if he were to be like y'all out here
singing Weasley is our king, I'd have been hitting a
back a bludger and like we still, okay, well maybe
the bludger.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
He just fell like six feet onto the ground, So
you know there's that. Fans porarily forget about the bludger.
You know what, never mind, I'm just forget it. Understands
where I was going with that. Let us know. In
the com it's it's literally insult to injury. So you know, yeah, no,

(01:39:28):
I do. I do think it's the one you brought
up from sorcers Stone.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
Harry doesn't care about that because he he is more
content and he doesn't care about the Dursleys that much, right,
So he doesn't care if Malfoy's poking fun of them,
you know, or saying that they don't care, because he's like, yeah,
they don't care, and I don't care about that anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
But I think one part that was super interesting about
the Twains is that Malfoy is known to have like
his two thugs, right, and this is when he's typically
the most courageous. And don't the wait is Gela around
at this point? We're yeah, because Goyle's on the team.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
But do we have I.

Speaker 6 (01:40:05):
Think Malfoy and Goyle, I know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Don't think Coyle's there. It sounds like it's just Malfoy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
So the fact that Malfoy is mouthing off about the
Weasleys in front of Harry and two of the Weasleys,
I mean, and courageous. For me to call Malfoy courageous
is like, I don't even want these words to come
out of my mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
However, I have to say he got a pair.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
On him, because and and Brett and George are also older, right,
So it's like the fact that I just thought it
was so interesting that we always see this Malfoy to
Harry Malfoy, to Ron Malfoy, to Hermione, but you don't
ever see Malfoy taking on like other people in the family,
especially not like this early on. So I just thought
it was so interesting that he actually said these things in.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Front of the twins.

Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
And I don't know if that says more and and
maybe it's not even courage. It's probably the flip side
of it's the emotion thing, right, Like he is he
is he is boiling that, like he came up with
this scheme that he just knew that they were going
to like he had no doubts that they were going
to win this match, between the way that they play dirty,
between Weasley is our king, Ron being Ron having performance anxiety.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Okay, like he was like shot in the dark, like
we got.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
This and the fact that they and he was so
he's like, I don't even care if you beat me up.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
I just need to get my rage out. And he
was so close, right, it literally says.

Speaker 6 (01:41:26):
That his hands scraped the back of Harry's.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Yeah, Malfoy's fingernails scrabbled the back of Harry's hand hopelessly, like.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Literally he was right there.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
And Harry does hold out for quite a while, right, Like,
Malfoy starts like going off and Harry doesn't answer. He
turns away to meet the rest of the team. You know,
everybody's celebrating. Malfoy keeps going. Angelina is like what an idiot?
Like what a sore loser? Fred and George realized what

(01:41:58):
Malfoy's talking about, and they start going, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
They don't even they don't even try to hold it back.
They're like, what are he saying?

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
No, they don't like as soon as they you know, so,
I mean Angelina, Alicia and and Katie grab Fred, Harry
grabs George and they're gonna hold them back. And Harry's
even looking for Madam Hooch, right, He's like, where is she?
Why is someone not getting involved? And then Malfoy insults Lily,

(01:42:28):
and Harry loses it and he doesn't even have realized
he loses it until he's like got a fist in
Malfoy's face, right, and you know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
So, so Harry holds out for pretty long. I agree, I.

Speaker 1 (01:42:43):
Wish you would have held on a little bit longer,
but you know, that wouldn't have been that wouldn't have
been the plot.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
So there's that.

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
So after after the thought, McGonagall takes Uh, takes Fred
and Harry back to the back to her office.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
She George, she takes George.

Speaker 6 (01:43:02):
Sorry, she she calls us muggle dueling. She says, you've
been on an exhibition of muggle dueling? Is this fair?
Is this like a weird type of racism toward Muggles
that mcgonagall's show him, because like we're also it's also
described as muggle dueling whenever Arthur and Malfoy fought in

(01:43:25):
the bookstore in Book two in Chamber, So.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
I wow, No, I think it's just the truth. Muggles
don't have one.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
But yeah, yeah, because wizards, wizards are gonna go right
for their wanes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
And also fair, if she really want to talk about it,
then she would have talked about guns, but we won't
go there on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Well, this is Britain. They don't have many of those. Ah,
how nice? Yeah, much different.

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Yeah, I think I think it's just a difference of perspective,
Like it's it's not I mean we see this multiple
times throughout the series right, that Wizards are actually very
reliant on magic, right, Like they they go for they
go for their wands for everything, right, and so to
have somebody go for your for their fists, it's very unusual.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
Wizards don't get their hands dirty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
I was gonna say, I respect Harry so much for
using his fists. I just think, like, that's that's how
y'all should be duking it out anyway, Like if you
haven't that courage to fight me, like within an actual
reaching distance, like you ain't got no business in the fighting.
So I'm actually I'm very supportive of the Muggle dwelling.
And this has been and I mean, like Josh said,

(01:44:33):
this has come up multiple times, even in when book one,
where like Harry was like what if I can't you know,
do anything, and Ron was.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Like punch them on the nose.

Speaker 6 (01:44:41):
Yes, right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
I just fully support that exactly, Like I fully support
that they're like you.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Know what, wand or no one let's go very griffin
dir Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
So I mean McGonigle is lotting into them pretty pretty
hard deserve so probably yeah. Yeah, And then Umbrage comes
in and I don't know if anyone knows this Umbridge
doesn't make anything better.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
I never noticed that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Actually, I love mcgonagall's reactions here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:13):
Honestly. First, she like she hears that in him, and
she just is like, Lord, give.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
Me patience, like you can just like hear her saying it,
because she just like takes a breath, looks to the ceiling,
and it's just like, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
So funny to me, so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
I think what's interesting about mcgonagall's reaction outside of the
fact that she's obviously very very angry, and you know,
she's like, you should have waited for Madam Hooch going
back to Alice and said Harry did actually look around.
In Harry's defense, in a way, he did actually try
to wait for her. But I think the other thing,
and we know this right like from like from because

(01:45:57):
at this point, at this point, we're past the art
where have a biscuit. We're past that right in this book.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
No, No, we're not. Yes, no, I don't know. To
be honest with you, I do not know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:08):
But I my point is at the then this is
the whole like emotional maturity, greater good, bigger picture type
of thing. Yes, McGonagall is like mad that they fought
like in general. However, McGonagall realizes what this really means,
and it's not even necessarily just the quidditch band like
she has been like, Harry, you have to stop acting

(01:46:31):
out like this like dud like, pay attention to what
is pay attention to what is happening in the world.
Umbradge is literally she's taking over everything. She is looking
for any any reason, any reason, and literally you handed
this to her and whether and yes, like again, all
the things that malfoy said, like they were terrible, but
at the end of the day, this was preventable.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
You could have walked away friend and George. I ain't
even a mad at them.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
Honestly, I feel like, yeah, beata, But like Harry, Harry,
come on, at this point, I just really wanted him
to be like, it's been five years and I know
that what gets Draco off is reacting like like I
know this, and I understand that the best thing that
I can do to piss him off, the absolute most

(01:47:21):
is to completely ignore him. And yet yeah, here we are,
and McGonagall sees the McGonagall sees the repercussions of this.
So whenever Umbridge comes in in general, yeah, she doesn't
like her, and so that's why she's like, here we go.
But again it's also like, this is exactly what I
did not want to happen, and now it tips I

(01:47:42):
think even before that. Then, even before that, then she's
so angry at them because she's disappointed in the way
that they they kind of didn't rise above it. They
sunk to his level basically, and she's more like, you
have disgraced our house image, right, this is not who
we're so supposed to be, And like, sure we can
talk about before the match, how things were happening.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
Whatever, and we did, but when mcgonagall's being biased, it's
more like letting her own people off, not going after
the Slytherins, right. So honestly a week of detention would
have been more than fair because she's more just dis
she's more just like, no, this isn't what you're supposed

(01:48:24):
to do. Yes, you were provoked, but no, And I
think she would have made sure Malfoy got in trouble too.
She does that in Sorcerer's Stone, right, like Malfoy, you
are also breaking the rules. You're also in trouble. I
don't care why, right, And so it would have been fair,
it would have been fine, but umber Chest to come
screw everything up.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
Yeah, so that that punishment is given down the week
of detention and Umbrage under now the new Educational Decree
number twenty five, which it's really funny that McGonagall says,
not another one another whatever. It's really funny to me.
But that gives Umbrage the ability to alter give out

(01:49:06):
whatever different punishments and things like that through she bans uh,
she bans Harry and George and then passes it on
to Fred because they're twins. You would have I would
have to Sweetie, you can like come get like yeah, yeah, anyway. Yeah,

(01:49:26):
It's just this decree doesn't make really any sense.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
No, it's it's blatantly biased and targeted. It's blatantly unfair.
It's literally out there so she can, like Bianca was saying,
so she can target Harry. And it's that's literally the
only reason.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
It's power. That's what that's what all of this comes
down to.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
This was the ultimate goal is to plants Umbrage into
this school and give her more power than Dumbledore because
Fudge is so threatened by Dumbledore.

Speaker 6 (01:49:57):
Well, yeah, and there's also the side of it of
being targeted towards Harry too, because we know that Snape
has told Fudge that Harry gets by with everything well.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
And also they're trying to undermine Harry right there. They've
been trying since Harry came out and said I saw
Baltimore return and Fudge wants to deny that that they've
been trying to cut Harry down from his hero status
for ages. And so it's definitely here. So Umbradge can

(01:50:27):
target any specifically Harry, but it also gives her the
chance to target anybody else who might try and resist
against her. All right, It's it's infuriating, it really is.
It's very infuriating. I mean and honestly with the whole thing.
Like I'll confiscate their broomsticks immediately. I was like, if
I pay for.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
It is you're not confiscated exactly, But and ah was
she allowed to confiscate their like So just because I
can't play quiddage, I'm not allowed to own a broom
like where?

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Like where go back and get you a decree that
tells me that you have that you have some kind
of ownership over my personal belongings.

Speaker 2 (01:51:08):
Where'd you warrant you not get in my room. First
of all, just no, no, ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:51:14):
No, it really is like I don't understand how that's allowed.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
All right, Like, yeah, it's all right.

Speaker 6 (01:51:21):
We're gonna land this plane in the common room. Here,
we're back in the common room going we're.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
All landing planes. We're landing broomsticks.

Speaker 6 (01:51:28):
Well, we don't have a broomstick to ride, so it
has to be a plane. Okay, okay, there's there's brimstick available.
I'm proud of that one, Allison.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
All right, anyway, listen, sorry, this just occurred to me.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
If I was Fred, I would have hidden my broomstick
before she could have gotten it. Though he doesn't have
it on him, right, Harry and George too, My friend doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
If I was to be like, I don't have a broomstick,
I don't talk about Actually do they have roomsticks? Don't
they just use the schools? Do we even know if
they have their they owned some? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
Oh okay, have them say? I think no, they have
clean sweeps. The comment three sixty is the is this qua?

Speaker 6 (01:52:06):
Yeah? I knew that. I was, just I wanted you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
To like I didn't know it. Listeners, I know that
someone else that didn't know it.

Speaker 6 (01:52:13):
I'm right there with they're shooting stars anyway, shoot shooting. Yeah,
we're back in the common room. Uh, sad sad. Ron
comes back in covered in snow, which is just I
understand that he's up in these feelings, like I get it,
and and and he should be. He should be upset

(01:52:36):
about how things transpired, But there's also been a whole
lot of other stuff happening out here while you've been
sulking and being poudy that like maybe your friendly jew
right now, you know, let's try that out.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
I mean, they.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
Both they kind of need each other, right, Like it
sucks for both of them. It sucks that Ron feels
responsible for what happened to the twins and to Harry,
right because he's like if I.

Speaker 6 (01:53:03):
Didn't suck that he doesn't know that this happens yet
he finds out, No, he doesn't, he doesn't. When he
walks in, he is sulking because of his poor performance
and being like biled out by Harry. Now granted, like
just a few pages that I guess there are a
few paragraphs he does find that out, but then, like
I do think that he blames himself so I specifically

(01:53:26):
got upset with Ron here because he says this has
been the worst day of my life or whatever, and
I'm like, yes, but Harry's banned.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
But that's part of it.

Speaker 6 (01:53:38):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
I think that's part of why it's it's part of
the worst days because Ron feels.

Speaker 6 (01:53:43):
I agree, he's he's a stupid thing to say in
front of Harry. It's fine for Ron to feel that way,
but he's not reading the room. Like from Harry's perspective, Ron,
you still get to play now, n he's trying to
like art of ron terrible day, the worst day ever
is now because he feels responsible for the three of

(01:54:06):
them being banned, but you still don't.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
WI actually makes no, yeah, no, And actually actually I
do agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
I think I do think it.

Speaker 6 (01:54:13):
I would.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
I think it was stupid of Ron to say.

Speaker 1 (01:54:15):
And and also the whole argument, I if I didn't
suck this one to happen like that, Actually that's not
even like like Malfoy didn't. No, no, is the point like,
that's not even necessarily related because regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
If Gryffindor would have won, well they did.

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
When even if you didn't suck like Malfoy still would
have been salty, and he probably still would have been
He probably still would have been saying those things. And
at first, whenever I read that, I had the exact
same thoughts as Josh. But then like whenever I thought
about it, I was like, well, what is actually worse
the fact that you can no longer play quidditch and
I and I get it, that's something that you love

(01:54:51):
and to have that taken away. I'm not saying that's
not devastating, but we're also talking about the fact that
Ron just literally dealt with I don't know how, I
don't know, I don't I don't know how long the
quidditch matt was.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
But this man just literally had public humiliation.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
And we get that, and we see this from Harry
right when they think that Harry is crazy, and Harry's like,
people are whispering. Okay, you're walking down the hallway, two
people whispered about you. Okay, you go over here, and
it's people looking at your scar. This man had an
entire maybe at an entire stadium right just to Slytherins.
But this man had people make up a song about
him and sing it in front of the entire school.

(01:55:26):
That's the kind of stuff that you wake up like that.
That's the kind of trauma that still that still comes
up for you in a decade, not like, oh well
I couldn't play quiddage like no, like whenever, whenever you
put it out on paper. In my opinion, what Ron
went I'm not saying he reacted well, but what Ron
went through was actually a lot more deeply rooted than
Harry being kicked off of the quidditch team.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
I mean, but we have to remember too that quidditch
is really the thing that's keeping.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Harry going at this moment a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
No, he still got the d R like, well that
just started though, but he's song he does, but he's
nothing about that right now, right like, And quidditch is
so fundamental to Harry's sense of self almost right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
That's likely another problem. Why are you identifying so much
with a sport?

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Because because he's fifteen and he feels like I mean,
he says in the first book, he says, finally he's
done something himself, right, it's something he can do for himself.
That's not his famous name, it's not his past, it's
not anything else. It's me, right, Like if Harry was
a normal kid, he probably still would have been a
quidditch star, yep, and that would have been good for him.

(01:56:35):
I am agree with you. I am just saying that
I still think Ron had it worse. I am agreeing
with you, Alison.

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:56:41):
It also connects him to his dad in a way
that's not rudiary of that dying. It's like, I feel
like that's another reason why he holds it at such
a high pedestal.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
Yeah, and that's and that's completely fair.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
I mean also you have to think too, his his
godfather gave him his broom and now it's been taken away.
Serious got him his fire.

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
Okay, So just so we're on the same page. So
everybody hear things that that Harry got worse than Ron.
Is that what we're all saying?

Speaker 6 (01:57:06):
Oh yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Wow, I don't think it sucks for different reasons.

Speaker 6 (01:57:10):
I think it matters. I just think that this is
a stupid thing for Ron to say. I think that
whenever we are comparing tragedies, it's stupid. And that's why
I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
I think that calling getting kicked off the quiddit's team
a tragedy is very dramatic.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
But we're we're until going to agree to disagree so
we can we can rapeen year old boy. It's a tragedy.

Speaker 6 (01:57:32):
Like, I just don't feel like you're listening to what
me and Allison are saying. Why it's a tragedy tragedy
to a fifteen year old boy. If you're asking thirty
five year old Josh getting kicked off the quiddity team
is a tragedy, No, fifteen year old Josh getting kicked
off the basketball team tragedy.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
But you thinking that fifteen year old Josh getting kicked
off the basketball team is worse than a different fifteen
year old going through that public humiliation to me is out.
I think it's bad for But yeah, yeah, I agree.
At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter.
Like they are both bad, I do. I do agree
with that. I think they're What Ron said was stupid,
and I also think that it was just all crappy.

Speaker 6 (01:58:12):
That's what.

Speaker 8 (01:58:14):
Okay, so we're not actually arguing, trying to say before
you started explaining all the stuff of the air, I
started off with I understand that is so close to.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
Him what and then yeah, anyway, and this is alaha
more everybody you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
Know it's going to cheer everybody up.

Speaker 6 (01:58:39):
I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
Thank you, Kaya.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Appropriate actually like.

Speaker 1 (01:58:48):
They're nuts and they don't like I don't hate Hagrid,
but I don't like Haggard.

Speaker 6 (01:58:53):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
I can't hate if.

Speaker 6 (01:58:56):
It makes you film, I am. I don't like Dobby either,
In case anyone's will, I don't like Dobby.

Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
No, no, no, I don't like as I'm wearing my Dobby's shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
That's just hard, Kaya.

Speaker 6 (01:59:05):
I agree that Dobby should be free.

Speaker 5 (01:59:07):
Okay, yeah, well to be fair, but I don't like Dobby.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
I'm not like a Dobby Stan.

Speaker 4 (01:59:13):
But how do you that's another day.

Speaker 6 (01:59:18):
Another episode, Kyle.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Yeah, don't open that box right now. We can send
you some links. Oh my god, Kaya, thank you so
much for.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
I don't I don't know how like it's the three
of us, it's always Yeah, we're all very passionate. Yeah,
we're chaos. You can see the passion comes through. But
thank you so much for being a great guest. Thank
you for coming on here. Let us know if there's
anything that you want to plug anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Listeners can find you online.

Speaker 7 (01:59:53):
Yeah, I you can find me on TikTok and instagram
my TikTok is Kaya and the boys.

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
And then my instagram is my name Kaya Rena, and
I just talk about all fandom nerdy things that pop
into my brain over there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
So and can you stall that for the listeners.

Speaker 4 (02:00:14):
Yes, so TikTok is k A I A A N
D t h E b O y S. I had
to don't check myself for a second. And then my
instagram is k A I A R A N A E.

Speaker 6 (02:00:29):
We may be able to put that into the episode
description on the podcast too.

Speaker 2 (02:00:33):
Yeah. I think I actually just meant to.

Speaker 5 (02:00:36):
Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
It's all good. Just to know Kaya is one of
those names that could be spelled the beautiful name. By
the way, thank you uh.

Speaker 6 (02:00:46):
Our next episode will be a revisit of Prisoner of Azkaban,
chapter eight flat of the Fat Lady.

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go play some quidditch. Yes, yes, yes, nobody responded, thanks,

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but this has been episode sixty of the final one hundred.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
I'm Allison, I'm Josh, and I'm Bianka.

Speaker 1 (02:01:23):
Thank you for listening to episode four hundred and sixty
of Aloha Mora.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
Him Him Weasley is our king. He always opens the
dumble door. Reaslely is our King.

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
Helloha Mora is produced by Tracy Dunstan.

Speaker 2 (02:01:51):
This episode was edited.

Speaker 4 (02:01:53):
By Katherine Lewis.

Speaker 3 (02:01:54):
Alohamur was co created by Noah Freed and Kat Miller,
and is brought to you by A p.

Speaker 2 (02:02:00):
W B d LC.

Speaker 1 (02:02:11):
Okay, so we're gonna we're gonna like clap so that
we can like sync up the sounds.

Speaker 2 (02:02:14):
So on the invisible floor, here we go, Here we go,
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (02:02:27):
On the invisible Wait, it's not invisible, imaginary.

Speaker 2 (02:02:31):
The oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (02:02:38):
All right, Okay, good thing we're talking about the record,
because I've been listening to a Sorcerer's Stone and he's
been under this cloak for like most of the chapter.

Speaker 2 (02:02:47):
Okay, the word invisibility is in my head.

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
Okay, Kai, On the imaginary flour, you are just going
to plat and we're just gonna do that twice.

Speaker 4 (02:02:55):
That's okay,

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