OOTP, 7 Revisit: Muggle Ate My Homework

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
This is episode four hundred and sixty eight of Aloha
Mora for September sixth, twenty and twenty five. Hello everyone,

(00:39):
Welcome to another episode of Aloha Mora, the fandom's original
Harry Potter book Club. I'm Kat Miller, I'm Sean Minie Willis.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
And I'm Josh Cook. And joining us today all the
way from Australia is our friend Tracy Keating.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yay, Hi, Tracy. It's nice to be here.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, nice to have you back, his returning guest, and Tracy,
for our listeners that have somehow forgotten all the things
that you said on the first episode that you were
with us for, can you give us a rundown of
your Hogwarts house and just anything Harry Potter that you
would like to share with us before we get started.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
So I am a hulf a puff. I think always
when I grew up reading the books, I thought I
was a gryffindor. I think a lot of people did.
And then you know, the Pottermore quiz came along and
I did it and it was like hulf a puff
and I was like, I'm not a hulf a puff.
And then I read that welcome letter and I was like, oh, yep, yes,

(01:42):
I'm a half of p and I definitely am a
hulfu Puff. I think like I've since done, you know,
many quizzers, and I have come up with Gryffindor, but
like I'm way too like a scaredy cat to be
a gryffind Or. I'm definitely definitely a hulfull Puff. So yeah,
the last time I was on the show was a
few years ago. It was the weighing of the ones episode,

(02:06):
and so we kind of talked about ones, and I
didn't know what my wand was, but I looked it
up and it was pine and Unicorn. I think I
just ignored that because like, pine to me just seems
like a really boring wood. It's like the wood that
we used to use in woodwork at high school. Like
it's the cheap, nasty kind of wood. So I don't know,

(02:28):
I don't I take that with a grain of salt.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
But anyway, was it the chapter discussion and the weigh
of the one?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Yeah, I think it's the revisit, like the chapter revisit
you were on their cat.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, you're right, it was twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, that sounds about right.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
But you know what's funny. You know what's funny is
that hmm if we have already revisited that chapter, huh,
somehow we're going to be revisiting No, just kidding, Nope,
it was a different episode than I was. It's a
different chapter that I was confused in myself. But yeah,
I was like, oh my gosh, did I screw up?
Or were actually going to have five hundred nights? Yeah,

(03:09):
especially if it's like a math or a calculation mistake,
I would have been pretty I would have been pretty embarrassed.
But yeah, that was twenty twenty two, Tracy. So we're
super glad to have you back.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
And I think I have.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Said this on the I think I've said this on
the show before. But before I took the quiz and
found out I was, I was actually a raven Cloth,
I thought I was a hulf Puff. So yeah, obviously,
now that I know myself a little better, clearly not
hulf puff.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
So I can understand I told you you were a
huff buff.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
There's no there.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Well that was like, hey, there's.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
There's no.

Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean, it's not like eat I like to eat,
young Lady, like good huffle puff.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
I've got one percent puff in me, you know, I.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Mean, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to say the words,
but you know what I'm thinking it's a Michael Scott joke,
but I'm not going.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
To say it anyway. Anyway, Thanks for being.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Thanks, It's gonna be it's gonna be a fun one.
And what we're discussing today is Order the Phoenix, Chapter seven,
the Ministry of Magic. We originally talked about this chapter
on episode eighty four, The Name's Potter Harry Potter from
May twenty fourteen, with host Michael Laura Eric and our
special guest host, spy novelist Lynn Bowie Bowie Bowie Poe.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I can't remember how he pronounced it, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Lynn, thank you for joining us. And thirty five year
CIA veteran and the executive director of the International Spy Museum,
Peter Ernest, thank you very much. What a pool for
the podcast on episode fo.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Yeah, that that was a really cool, really cool episode.
They wrote the this incredible book. You all should definitely
go back and listen to that one. I remember it
being like just one of the coolest episodes that we
had ever done. And yes, it was episode eighty four.
We weren't that far into it at that point, but
I still think it ranks as, if not top ten,

(05:17):
at least top twenty coolest episodes we've ever done. And
they sold a lot of books.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah, I actually do remember that episode. I didn't go
back and re listen to it because I didn't want
it to cloud my what we talk about, Christ, But
I do actually remember hearing that episode and thinking how
cool everything was that like it was discussed.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, Tracy, that's why I don't go back and listen
to them too, because I don't want the cloud my
thing the pants just to get on.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
No.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
I mean it's always cool when you get to talk
to someone who's worked in this CIA.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah, that's really really cool.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Hello. Anyway, it was a good one, and that was
a very good James Bond impression. I mean, like a
B plus. That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
That was all I wanted to be in fourth grade.

Speaker 4 (06:04):
I want to James Bond.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Well, I hear they're looking for a new one.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
No, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, oh okay, well yeah we'll see. Wow, you really
just did. You're like on the impressions today because that
was the perfect facial expression of the girl who tries
kombucha for the first time, and she's like, you know
what I'm talking about, right, you know what I'm talking about.
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I mean, I'm so I'm so good with that because
that's the face I made the first time I tried.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Oh gross. Anyway, I will stop derailing us. I'm sorry,
Seawanni ta get away whoa.

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Speaker 1 (07:25):
Okay, let's jump in.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Three turns. Should do It.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Chapter Revisit.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Order the Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Welcome listener to chapter seven, The Ministry of March. It
is the morning of Harry's hearing, and he is wide
awake and already getting snickered at by a portrait. He
finds a group of Order members in the kitchen and
while shoving some I toes down his gullet, listens to

(08:02):
Sirius and Tongues and Lupin and Arthur and Molly all
try to reassure him that he shall be well. All
is good, don't worry about it, man. He isn't buying it,
of course, and Harry's gut is rarely wrong winky face.
But he travels into London with a muggle struck Arthur
by his side. Once they arrive at the Ministry of Magic,
Harry gets a mini tour of the building by way

(08:23):
of the elevator announcements before meeting Arthur's office mate Perkins
and getting the rudest awakening he has had since just
a few hours ago. Yeah, this is one of those,
Like it's a short little chapter. I mean, it takes
place over the course of like two hours, but it's

(08:45):
eventful because we move location, we see a ton of characters,
we get a ton of information. It's kind of a
fun one. I sort of went into this not remembering
what happened, and I was happy after I read it.
I'm maybe happy he's not the word, but you know.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I feel like I did put a like a comment
later on. But I feel like, like, not a lot happens,
but there is so much world building in this chapter,
Like we learn there's so many name drops, there's so
many so much like new things that we learn about
the ministry and everything, so like not not a lot happens,

(09:23):
like stuff happens, but like, yeah, it's more of a
world building chapter. I kind of feel like it adds
so much richness to the whole world.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yeah, it feels very like day in the laugh like
reality shoot chapter almost you know of like yeah, the
chapter is about thirty minutes long. It takes place too.
It's over two and a half hours from five thirty
to eight, and there's not there's not only time jumps.
You know, we don't hear the in three weeks of

(09:52):
fast and now Harry.

Speaker 4 (09:53):
Is gone in the class.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, but like so order is very much like that,
Like the whole book is, like that's why it's the biggest,
like the largest book and things like that. There's so
many day in the life kind of sections like that,
And I mean we're already chapter seven. We're not even
really close to getting too Hogwarts, and so many things
have happened. So yeah, it's world building. I really like

(10:19):
this side of order where it's hey, what does normal
everyday life look look like for wizards?

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Well, apparently normal everyday life looks like being slapped by
a portrait on the wall before you've even like started
your day. But I'm curious, do you think this is
like a Weasley family member? Is this like a you know,
you can buy frames in the store, or like even
a used frame, like if you go to an antique

(10:48):
store or something and there's a random picture in it,
Like who is this person who is snickering at Harry?
Because I want this? I think it's really funny and
it's it's I like it.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean, I always assumed it was Phineas Nigellous Black.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I think I didn't even think there could have been
anyone else until yeah, the the question was asked, but.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Is it like doesn't he come in? Like doesn't he
come in? At one point? And like, tell Harry, am
I making this up? He like tells Harry like not
to leave or something like that, like later.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
In the bedroom that's after that, Yet he does that,
it's after Arthur's been attacked is Christmas times?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Don't leave, Like Harry's like, I'm possessed by Voldemort. I
need to leave. And then like Phineas comes in, He's like,
don't leave. I have a message from Dumbledore. And he's
like okay, and then he's like, don't leave.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Is that in Harry's bedroom? Though that portrait? Does that
happen in Harry's bedroom or the bedroom that he's in?

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
So that's Phineas Nigelous Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Regardless of who it is, it's weird to have a
love a love portray in a bedroom in general, Like
he's he's snakers, Harry's gets naked and puts his clothes on.
He changes out of his pajamas and puts his like
normal clothes on.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah, I guess I always thought it was just I
just I thought it was a room that was repurposed
into a bedroom. While the order is there, like I
don't know like what rooms, like what rooms do old
fancy houses have like truly they don't have like fifteen
bedrooms because there's like, like there's mister Missus, like why

(12:34):
did I call him that? Molly and Arthur. Then there's
like Fred and Georgia in a room, Ginny and Hermione
are in a room, and then Ron and Harry serious, serious,
they're not using Regulus's rooms regularly. That hasn't been touched.
And then serious bedroom is where Buckbeak is, Like is

(12:59):
it just like, is it so how many bedrooms is there?
Or is it just like a like is it it's
not the drawing room because they cleaned that out you.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
Say, at it for something?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, maybe that's where Buckbeak is.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, so he said. Uh. Later in the book, here
it says Harry went up the stairs hurried into his
Andron's bedroom. Here he began to pace up and down
pass the two beds, and Phineas Nigelus is empty portrait.
So it is in the bedroom and it does seem like.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
You're coming with the receipts. Okay, okay, if you've listened
to this podcasts recently, what I do I've only I will.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just sit here like this until I need to look
this up.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
So that begs the question. Then, So if Phineas Nagelics
is snickering at Harry because Harry is changing and getting
into his clothes, who taught Phineas Nigelus's portrait to snicker
at people who are getting niked? It because he's a
portrait and he can't think for himself. He can only
take the knowledge that he I mean, I guess it
was him, because when we learned about portraits from the author,

(14:12):
it was like she said that the person that the
portrait is of teaches the portrait the knowledge they want
the portrait to know and to like take into the afterlife.
So like Phineas and Nigelis taught his portrait to laugh
at people who are getting naked. I don't know. I
think it's great.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
I think it's maybe I don't know, maybe he's just
like rude and mean passed on to his portrait.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
I think he is those things.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
But yeah, yeah, I think I think instead of the
download of you will laugh at people that are changing
clothes and they're naked, and you will sninker, it becomes
a you will laugh at people when they're in precarious
and or I guess all compromise situations. I was. I

(15:02):
was filibustered in my in my head as fast as
much as I could, and I could not come up
with compromising thank you.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
So okay, So then he's going to be laughing if
two people are getting it on and he's his portraits
in the room.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Unless he has downloaded something else that says hey, when
this is happening, there's.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
Like a cheering yes, or.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I mean maybe he just like leaves because that is
like that we're crossing into peeping Tom like inappropriate territory.
I mean we are.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
I mean so just thinking of that, like, does that
does this mean like everything that's been said in that
room is getting passed on to Dumbledore, like every every
conversation that the trio have had see. I mean, that's
a great question. We think Dumbledore knows everything well he does.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
But also, portraits can't learn new information. I have come
I think that maybe when that when she said all
those things about portraits, maybe she wasn't like totally thinking
it through. But I think the portraits, while they can't
learn information, so he's not going to hold on to that,

(16:17):
I think that the portraits can hear it and relate it. Yeah,
And then it's gone. But you have to be able
to remember something to relay something.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
So you can only give them specific instructions to go relay,
but anything that's said that they hear in passing, they can't.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
No, no, But like you have to remember something to
relay it. So if I say to you, like Shamani,
my favorite color is red, and you want and you
want to go tell your sons later, like you have
to remember that.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Maybe it means like they can't learn new things in
that they can't have like a character roc you know,
so they can't go from being Phineus nigelous to then
having about turn and changing their beliefs, so changing their allagances.

(17:08):
Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe they can learn new information, but.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
They can't worry.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, they can't grow from you know, Okay,
maybe I could see that.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I could see that. I mean, lucky for Harry. He
leaves the room and he goes downstairs because he really
has nowhere else to go. It's, as Josh said, like
five point thirty in the morning, and he finds all
these people sitting in the kitchen. It's Molly and Arthur
in Loopin and Tonks and Serious and they're all cheering
them on. They're like, Harry, you're gonna be great. It's
gonna be awesome. Don't worry about it, like the laws

(17:42):
on your side. And I just think it's I think
it's very sweet that they recognize that he's intensely nervous.
I feel like the vibe probably changed when Harry walked
to the room. I know it would, like I'm pretty
sensitive to people's moods and the vibe and stuff, and
I feel like that was something i'd pick up on
and I'd probably try to cheer him up too. But
I just thought it was sweet, like all the people

(18:03):
that love Harry trying to cheer him on.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
It's all.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, the thing that Harry can't pick up on anything here,
he thinks. It's almost as though they were waiting for him.
What do you think they're doing? You walk into a
room and six adults are waiting at five thirty in
the morning.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
They're just hanging out.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, serious, think got anywhere to be? That boy was
still being asleep. Molly's making breakfast. I guess, yeah, like
Arthur at least happen.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Yeah, I was gonna say, Arthur's up for work, Molly's
up for food. I think obviously Sirius lives there and didn't.
Tonks just said she got off a shift, so maybe
Lupin was also on a shift. I don't know. I
mean they were clearly hanging out there for Harry, but
I think a few of them, even if they weren't
hanging out for Harry, would have been there. But it

(18:53):
doesn't GE's cute. It's it's one of those rare moments
where Harry has adults in his life that are like
one hundred percent cheering him on for something and not
trying to be like that. But maybe do this. Let
me tell you this, but I'm not going to tell
you that. And you know, he's not getting jerked around.
He's just getting full on support, which is.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Very nice, right well, And I mean we also are
hearing a little bit about what the what the Order
is is really doing here because Tonks has curly blonde hair,
I think she's at least like we know, she just
got off of that duty. Yep.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I identified with that. When I read that, I was like, oh,
she's a curly blonde.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
So I mean, if you really think about what the
Order is being asked to do, like just in tonks here,
she has night night shift, she has her normal like
order job, and then she's talking about having to do
night shift again. So like there's not a whole lot
of time in here to do, you know, not life.

(19:48):
I'm not even necessarily saying life things like as far
as the order is concerned, where it wore now, But
there's no break. I guess it's a really big pool
to ask. But then Arthur does step in. I hate
you take a break. I'll take it to not you.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Know, you're gonna say as someone who has years ago
when I had a regular full time job, but then
I got an offer to be a photographer on a
film set, and I was like, oh, I want to
go do that. So I would work all day at
my job or all day at the film, and then
go to the other job in the afternoon or the evening.
So like we had three weeks of night shoots, and
then there were like three weeks of day shoots, so

(20:24):
I would like work on the film during the day
and then go into the office for five or six
hours at night, and then the reverse when we were
on night shoots. Yep, And I gave myself stomach alcer
so tonks. You better be careful there, kid, because you're
walking down a tough road. Don't overwork yourself, friends, it
is not a fun road to walk down. Yeah, don't
do it. I made a lot of money over those

(20:45):
six weeks, I'll tell you that, but it was not
worth it. Not worth it though, it was not worth it.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
So I kind of there's this mention of being on
guard Judy and I kind of just picked up there. Obviously,
Harry is not in a position to be thinking of
anything other than his like upcoming hearing, But why don't
the Trio pick up that the Order is still doing
guard duty? Like earlier, when Harry arrives at grim old place,

(21:15):
they're talking about all the things that the Order's doing,
and then Run's like, hey, you know, they seem to
be watching over something, like they're guarding something, and Harry's like, well,
it couldn't have been me, right, and they're like oh,
and then they just drop it. But then there's this
kind of like ongoing talk of being on guard duty,
and the Trio, like they usually do pick up on

(21:36):
stuff like this, like why hasn't it been discussed by them?
Or like I get right in this very moment, like
Harry's distracted. But I'm just kind of wondering why they
didn't pick up on it, because surely this isn't the
only time guard duty is being discussed. Like the order
members aren't cagey about it, you know, they're freely talking

(21:57):
about it with each other, and yeah, like why was
this missed? I guess, or is it important even that?
Like what you know?

Speaker 1 (22:06):
I think directly in this instance, as you said, it's
a little bit of a nugget for the reader, because
we're supposed to remember what we what that conversation you
just mentioned, like, oh, it couldn't be me their guarding
and they're like, oh, and drop it. I think it's
supposed to be a little nugget for the reader. Obviously
Harry's not supposed to pick it up. But I would
be inclined to say the only reason they're mentioning it

(22:29):
here is because it's Harry and he's alone and it's
five point thirty in the morning, and he's going to
forget or not pay attention because he's distracted. And I
think that maybe they their guard is just down a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I hear you that they're not being cagy about it,
but I think that they don't freely talk like this
around the other kids. That'd be my guess.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Well, and it's also Tonks that starts it, and we
know that Tonks isn't exactly the most like careful. I
guess she's not haggard level of anything, like, she's not
that thankfully, but I do think that she's a little
less careful than what the other ones would be. And
it's probably a discussion. It's a carry on of a
discussion that they were probably having before Harry came downstairs anyway,

(23:19):
you know, like if they're all waiting regardless, they were
talking about whatever happened the night before now and Tracy.
It is also interesting to me that they don't call
it like guard duty. Here in the previous chapter they
did talk about it being guard duty, and.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
I think it was did they think they Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I thought that Tongs just called it night duty.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh well, this may be a piece of us having different.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Book Let me see, I'm gonna let me show you
this book like Sidekicks. So obviously British edition is the
Australian what we have in Australia. And I was like, Hey, cool,
I haven't read this in so long. And then I like, yeah,
it's been read, Yeah, it's been read that many times,
and I was like, oh, amazing. I've only really been
listening to the audiobooks for maybe the past like ten years,

(24:10):
so it's been a while. Anyway, let me find this.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
Okay. So in this yes, in the copy that I have,
Tonk says, I'll have to tell Dumbledore I can't do
night duty tomorrow. I'm just too tired. Yeah, that doesn't
mean that the British editions, Now that's what because that
has happened.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
That's what it says here. But then a little bit later, Okay,
I believe earlier its specifically referred to God Judy. Yeah no,
maybe not. I thought it was mentioned twice. Okay, no,
maybe maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
It wasn't the first time that would have happened on
the show, and it won't be the last.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Later in the guards are mentioned later in the chapter
when they're talking about the underground, like the underground like
ticket picker guard.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, so maybe that's it. Maybe the word just it
was a little earworm. It got stuck in your head.
It happens yeah, yeah, still anyway, Nope, I mean I
think it's still a valid point though. I mean they're
still talking about night duty and stuff. I think your
point stands, even if the words aren't the words you
thought were the words. Yeah, I still think your point stands.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
And I honestly never picked up on that at all.
So I guess I'm just as bad as Harry in
the trio because I never even occurred to me.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah, well, Molly's trying to feed him, and also, you know,
as I said, they're all sort of cheering him on.
And I think it's loopin' or maybe it's tongs because
Tonks starts yawning when she's talking about her night duty
and someone asks Harry, like how he slept or something.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yes, so Harry said. Harry says that he slept fun
There's no way, there's no way he slipt. Fon one,
he had this hearing today that we all know about
that we're all scared about, as readers were scared about it,
and then the not before they go to bed, like
he goes. He goes to bed frustrated because Dumbledore has
been in the house and didn't talk to him, so

(26:15):
like there's no way. Why is the boy lying? I
know why he's lying.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Reaction I'm good, Like is it reflex like the standard?
It was fine? And he doesn't want to get into
a big discussion and have people like hddling or finding
over him and asking this.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Chapter he shrugs, Yeah, feelings.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Feelings are hard, you know, like what you know? Is
he going to spill his heart out to to all them? Like, oh,
I'm really nervous and like, that's not Harry, you know,
very stoic, and I was, Yeah, No, he was definitely
up tossing and turning all night for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, for sure, Oh Harry. Yeah. I mean, it's just
it's really just amazing to me how much gets thrown
on Harry this early in the book itself, after what
we came out of with Goblet of Fire, and then
I consistently come back at Dumbledore of this is. I

(27:18):
think where he goes the most wrong is not being
here for Harry at the beginning of Order. Yeah. I
just don't. I don't know. Now, going back to what
you were mentioning, Kat, one way that they do try
to make Harry feel better is like letting him know
that they know Amelia Bones and that she seems.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Fair, yeah, which would be super helpful if he was
actually going to see her, which when I was listening
to this again, I was thinking, Man, how different this
would have gone if we had actually gotten to see
him in her office have the interaction with her. And
I mean, we do see her interact with him during
the hearing, but it would have been kind of cool

(27:59):
to see like a one on one. And I was
also noticing that Lupin has such faith in the law,
saying that, oh, they're fair and even wizards can use
underage magic in certain circumstances, because he's just he's not
he doesn't understand what's going on in the ministry and
the corruption that's already begun. And they're assuming that Amelia

(28:21):
Bones is going to be taking the meeting and that
she is going to be fair, but little do they
all know something else is brewing.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Is he just saying that to kind of make Harry
feel better? Like, does does Lupin truly believe it?

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Well, that's a good question. I wonder that too, because
you know, were wolves have not exactly been treated barely
by the law by the Ministry, so it's interesting that
he would say that in the first place. Yeah, but
then again, he's not going to be like, oh, Harry,
they're unfair, Like he wouldn't say that, So yeah, like, yeah,
is it?

Speaker 1 (28:56):
The werewolf thing was the exact point I was going
to bring up, Like how can Lupin have this faith
in the law? Like I don't remember all of Lupin's backstory,
but so he got bit by Fenry or grayback when
he was really young, and like nothing happened, right if
I remember, Like obviously Fenrier was like out free asked

(29:17):
was he an askaban?

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Ever?

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Like what am I forgetting about Lupin's.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Like his dad worked for the ministry and he right,
and he drafted some bill against werewolves or for the
regulation of werewolves, and that's why Lupin was targeted. Maybe
he grew up like his his dad was working in
the public service, so you know, his dad was maybe

(29:43):
he saw the good side of what I don't.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Know, Yeah, you know, I mean, yeah, it's probably just
like he grew up in a copp family and so
he has a hard time saying that clocker bad people,
you know, or yeah, letting go, letting go of that
faith that his father instilled in him. All that makes
me kind of I mean, as we have progressed talking
about looping over the show, Like I still love and

(30:10):
appreciate him as a character, but that makes me feel
for him a little more, but he is pitiable to
the twentieth degree.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
It could also just be a situation where I mean,
I do not trust our government in the States. I
trust some of our politicians some of them, but I
do not have faith that our government is not corrupt. Right,
So there could be a situation where like, they know
that the government is corrupt, but the order, whether it's

(30:41):
through Dumbledore or through Lupin or through Arthur whoever that
have our relationship with Amelia Bones has faith in her.
And that's why they feel better about the thing being
with her. You know. It's just like they all seem
to believe or at least they're saying that Amelia is
fair and just, so they trust the system that she

(31:02):
is over because she'll hear Harry out. But it's it's
really proof that like, trust in our systems only go
as far as the integrity of those people that are
in those positions.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
So put that on a T shirt for me, huh.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
And to be fair when they actually get to the hearing,
she is the one that kind of steers it in
the other direction. Yeah, so I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Well what what what it does seem like is is
during the hearing that you have Umbrage and Fudge on
one side and then you have Amelia kind of leading
the charge of what are we doing here? Like this
seems kind of stupid? And because that hearing, that hearing

(31:47):
really gets positioned Fudged versus Dumbledore, which as readers it
makes sense, but if you look at it further, if
you look at it as far as like what government
actually is, and maybe maybe it is maybe it is
Fudge an Umbradge versus Dumbledore and Amelia, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Just in the law right? Yeah? Yeah, were you on
that episode because we just talked about that chapter not
to not too long ago.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
I was there.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, I remember, okay.

Speaker 4 (32:16):
Because I thought it was funny because I was like, oh,
now we're going backwards because we did the hearing and now.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I'm telling you they're like the random chapter generator thing
that we did has done some really fun things which
have been great as we've been going through these one episodes.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
But anyway, I did have a question though, Tracy, I
do not have receipts for this. Tracy, is this the
first time that we hear about Scringe or is this
the first time?

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I think it might be the first time. And I
guess for me, like it was, it's something that you
wouldn't notice the first time you're reading it. It's just
kind of a passing comment. It's only when you and
even when you get up to whichever book isn't the

(33:04):
next book when he becomes the Minister for magic, like
maybe his name's mentioned, it's like he introduces a new minister.
I'm sorry, yeah, the Minister of Yes I am, I'm
getting that right. It might not even like twig in
your brain, but it's when you go back and kind
of reread the books and you're like, oh, hey, that
like they spoke about him here and I kind of
thought it was interesting that they they're kind of saying,

(33:28):
or is it he's like asking funny questions, like that's
what like, be careful around Scrimger. He's asking funny questions.
So does this? I guess is this a hint that
if when he does come into that position of power,
he's not going to be that ally to the aora
of the Phoenix that he could have been, you know,

(33:49):
like I guess for us, like you know when when
Fudge is out and you're like, great, there's a new
Minister for magic. Maybe things are changing. But this is
a hint where even though there is all of this
kind of corruption and stuff, he's asking the funny questions.
So he's like showing that there isn't an allegiance to
I don't want to say the greater Good, but you know,

(34:10):
the greater good like a resistance to like the Dumbledore
side of things.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Well as so, Scripture's background is that he's the head
of the Horror office, right, so he's like the lead investigator,
the guy who asks all the questions. So I have
to wonder what they mean by quote funny questions. What
does that mean? Does that mean that he is probing
Kingsley more frequently about serious Does that mean that he's

(34:40):
asking like hmm.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Tonks, why are you so tired?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, why you're so tired? Or like why is your
hair different every day? Or like why is Arthur Weasley
in here? More frequently? I just kind of wonder what
the funny questions mean because I think my instinct would
be that he is just being the inquisitive individual that
he is, and they don't realize that they're the ones

(35:07):
that maybe are acting differently in suspectus. I mean maybe
they know that. Do you get what I'm getting at, Like,
I think he's just being himself and they're noticing that
he's noticing yep, I guess yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I mean he's head of the office for a reason, right,
I mean yeah, And and so you you have these
you have these competing interests here too, So he sees
his employees essentially maybe acting stranger like you said, Tracy
with yeah, just differently in general. But then there could

(35:40):
also be something coming from the top down from Fudge
going hey, won't you keep an eye on anyone that
has something to do with Dumbledore? And I don't and
and and there's a possibility that over the years Kingsley
has has shown some type of I don't know, pref Yeah,
pref friends are allegiance, so we're just compassion toward Dumbledore's cause,

(36:05):
and so keep an eye on them.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
You know, Yeah, I guess like on that point, like
it has only been well it's been like four weeks,
eight weeks since the Order of the Phoenix have been reformed?
Is that right? Am I right in thinking that, like,
it hasn't been a long time.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
We get the date. What's the date of Harry's hearing?
August August eighth, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Oh wow, when he.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Gets his letter, let's see, let's look it up. I
know it's in one of the previous chapters.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Who will find it?

Speaker 1 (36:40):
First August twelfth, So this is August twelfth, And all
of that stuff that happened at the end of the
last book was mid June, mid late June, midley June.
So yeah, it's only.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Been yeah, six six verse six eight weeks. Yeah, And
so how I guess my point, like, how where does
Kingsley come into this? Because he's a new recruit. He
wasn't in the Order last time around, so he's a
new recruit, so obviously, like he seems like he's pretty
not high up in the order, but like he seems

(37:19):
like he's a pretty like important member of the Order.
How did he become so entwined with the Order in
such a short period of time? Moody Moody, Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, really I'm sure. Well, I don't know. I'm just
saying I just assumed that they had worked together at
some point over the years before Moody retired, and Moody
especially after he after he retired, I feel like he's
definitely more of a straight shooter with hair. Are you
on our side or what? Like? What are we doing here?
And you know, I mean just having more conversations getting

(37:53):
to know people. There's a possibility that Moody's the one
that recruited. That's what's really nice about having somebody like
Moody in the order to begin with, is that you
can recruit new.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
People who do have an allegiance to Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
And especially in that in that line of work, like
who's best to fight dark wizards?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Or and I wonder I wonder too if maybe Arthur
might have had a little bit to do with it,
because how closely do their departments usually work together, Because
we see Kingsley asking Arthur to find out information about
certain things some what was it like a muggle something
or another find out about something. I don't remember what

(38:36):
it was. I and my book is across the room.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
But regard to taking.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
They are flying flying motorcycle.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
That's because they're looking for for serious So how often
do their departments work together. Yeah, And do they know
each other before?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah? Yeah, Looms, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
I am. I appreciate in Lake all of these answers,
But I just want to believe that Kingsley is a
person who wants to be deeply involved in these type
of things. I'm just thinking from my own point of
view that if I find something that I want to
be involved in, I'm going to be involved in it.
I'm not going to half at it. I'm going to

(39:27):
haul at it. And Yeah, I just like to think
that maybe Kingsley's like me.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yeah, well, I mean maybe that's also that kind of
goes back to why Scrimmer's asking funny questions, because maybe
there has been I'm not going to say like a
big change in Kingsley's character, but if he was in
charge of the hunt for serious pre the Order of
the Phoenix reforming, and he was, you know, very whatever

(39:57):
it is, I don't know if he was questioning it
or saying this might not like if he is who
we think he is, he would have been saying these
things don't add up, why would serious be here? What
you know? And then all of a sudden he's now
on this big hunt for serious, like he's a ministry man.
And you know, is that what's triggering Scrooge to ask

(40:18):
the questions? You know, because obviously Kingsley is now trying
to cover his work with the Order of the Phoenix. Yeah,
and so now he's like, oh, we have to find
serious Look, he's been here, he's been here, and he's
planting this like misinformation.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Maybe he's the one who wrote to the Quibbler about
serious Being and that guy from the band You'll know
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
I can't think of the name Stubby Boardman.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Stubby, Yes, that's it, yep. I mean, who knows, right?
That does happen in this being? I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
But another thing that always makes me kind of gangle
because Stubby Boardman and Luna always good for that is
Molly trying to flatten Harry's hair. I just think it
is like the quintessential like mother thing. My mom always
used to do that to me. She'd like, get the
comb wet and get my hair wet and be like,
what are you doing? It's just so cute and I

(41:15):
love it. She's like, does it ever lay flat? And
he shakes his head and then I can just see
it like popping back up. It's adorable.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
A hit.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, Like I'm not going to watch the TV show,
but like put that in a TV show, okay, Like
I need those cute little moments because that's the only
thing that's going to make it worth it in my opinion.
But you know, but eventually Harry and Arthur leave, and
I would like somebody to make an animated series or

(41:46):
like a comic book or something where we travel through
the Muggle world with Arthur because him being like in
love with all the Muggle things again is just the
cutest thing. I really appreciate Arthur. This isn't the right
word that his childish side, that's not the right word.
Whimsical side.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Yeah, be fun to watch. I would totally watch that.
That'd be fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
It would be fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I do think it's cute. Well, we only get to
do that because Arthur thinks that it's best to arrive
in a non magical way, which, like I don't think
Arthur is comfortable having Harry do cydalong apparition or anything
like that, but just pointing out that it's it's best
to arrive non magically. Do we think that that would

(42:32):
actually make a difference here.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
I mean, I want to say no, but probably, I mean, isn't.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Crazy like in an ideal world, No, it wouldn't make
any difference, like if it was a magical child arriving
under the circumstances with magical parents, like how else are
they going to get there? But with Fudge and this
ministry in charge, it is definitely something that they can
turn around and say, see, you couldn't even arrive at
the hairry without using magic. See, so it is definitely

(43:04):
something that Fudge could use against him. I don't think
he should, but.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, yeah, And that's that's the that's really the point, right,
is that maybe Fudge would use that against him. But
we know that this hearing is already stacked against Harry
in general. But if it were just Amelia, knowing what
we know about, knowing what we're told about Amelia Bones
by the other Order members at this breakfast, I don't

(43:34):
think that she would care. I think that she would
see a wizard boy arriving with a wizard adult to
come to a hearing, and that's kind of it, you know.
But I think that that's also why Fudge changes it.
Spoiler changes it to I know, sorry, listeners, We're not
going to have a meeting.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I've never read these never read these books before.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Thanks to.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Ed Way to ruin it on our second chapter revisit
of this one.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
But anyway, I don't know. I just I just don't
see she would care.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
I just I don't think it hurts necessarily non magically.
But I don't think she would make a big deal
if he did.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
I mean, let's think of other examples. So let's say, okay,
let's say somebody gets a duy, like don't show up
to court drunk. Okay, sure, Well, like what other examples
are there that we can make parallels and say, oh,
that makes sense or that doesn't make sense. Like what
else would you get a citation for, even just as
a muggle, Like not wearing your seatbelt that doesn't really apply.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
If you have a suspended license, don't get pulled over.
I mean, I don't know, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean the drunk the drunks
that I know, Like we're having trouble come up with
anything else. It's also just not normal to be drunken public.
It is normal for wizarding families to travel magically.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
Yeah, that is true. That is true.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (45:06):
I think maybe it's along the lines if we say
a thing in my house is solid advice is don't
do something illegal while you're doing something illegal. So for them,
it's like, for Harry, it's kind of like, don't do
the thing that you were accused of doing while you're
going on trial for the thing that you were accused

(45:26):
of doing.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Girl, that's a saying in your house, how many illegal
things are you doing?

Speaker 4 (45:31):
This is just proactive advice. No, it's a podcast to
listen to you, and they do a whole segment it's
called Morons in the News, and they do a whole
segment where the people in the stories are typically doing
something illegal while they're already doing something illegal.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
So I got you.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Yeah, it's just well, so active proactive advice, that's all.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, okay, we'll stick with that. We'll pretend. But carrying
on with this tune of like Arthur being like adorable
with all things muggle, the narration says that Harry pays
because Arthur is quote not good with muggle money. And listen, okay, sure,
but to have all of you seen what British money

(46:15):
looks like the numbers are right there, and Arthur knows
how to count, right, I mean, I understand, I mean
galleons are dollars. I mean obviously the the conversion is
not the same, but they are essentially the same. Bill
I understand him, maybe not understanding like pennies and you know,

(46:37):
the things that are smaller than a pound. But like Arthur,
my dude, it says five right on the Bill.

Speaker 3 (46:43):
Makes zero sense that he is not good at any
Muggle things, because that is his job. You meant to
be expert at all things muggle. But I guess, I
guess lean to it's just for the comedic effect, because
he should know how to use money. He should know

(47:04):
And there's like a number of times where he like
says the wrong words, so like later on in the
chapter he says pumbles instead of plumbers, and then like
there's other chapters where like has he said like please
men or the felly tone or like is that him
that said all this? Like he should know all of
that stuff. This is it's not just like it's like us,

(47:24):
like who are big like Harry Potter nodes not knowing
the correct terminology of Harry Potter. Things like granted, we
get it wrong every now and then. But you know
these are like like plumbers is like a thing, and
money is a thing that you should know. I guess
for me, I always thought it might have the money

(47:45):
thing might have just been a bit of a jab at,
like the imperial system.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Maybe, Oh, as the only person who uses that, please
tell us what you mean.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Like so like, I guess like money is met like
money is metric, I guess. So everything is like in
tens in one hundreds like British money. But galleons to
me is like on par with the imperial system. So
like how many inches are in a.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Twelve top?

Speaker 3 (48:21):
How many feet are in a what's the next yard?

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Three point three?

Speaker 3 (48:26):
How many yards are in a what's the next thing?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Mile?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
No idea?

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah, so I guess.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Whatever that is divided by three and whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
For me, this Arthur, not galleons, is what is like
seventeen sickles to a gallon and whatever.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
It is nine something to it.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Brain is used to working in those kind of like
odd measurements. Again, you can't figure out the like metricness
of muggle money that's.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Asked for that, but they asked for five. And that's
the thing.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
That's the only thing that could explain it. That's the
very only thing that that would explain it to me.
But that being said, authored just Tracy, you.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Asked me for five centimeters and the thing says five
centimeters on, I'm gonna pick it up and I'm gonna
go this is five centimeters true.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
But also it's it's strange too because we're coming off
of last year. They just did this at the Quidit
World where he just had to count money before, So
what happened?

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Also, didn't he take Muggle studies? What do they teach
you in that class if they not how to use
British pounds?

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Like this is his expertise. This is like he's obviously
he's studied, his done Muggle studies. He spends all of
his time like reading Muggle things, and it's his hobby,
it's his job, Like he should he should know, he
should know, Yeah, he should definitely.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
No, yeah, yeah, I mean it's like it's like the
person who is like, I love Italy, but they don't
speak a lick of Italian you know, yeah right, but.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
They've only had little Caesars.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
So on the original episode, so Harry and Arthur get
to the phone box. On the original episode, they had
a whole conversation about the tartists. We don't need to
talk about that here, but I do want to ask you,
do you think that that this phone box is magically
enforced in some way? Because Harry comments about how they're
sort of like on a backside street and it felt

(50:36):
like a little shady to him, and what if that
box was vandalized, And he does point out that it
looks like it had been vandalized, like the the phone
thing is not on there correctly, But maybe I was
thinking I think it has to be magically enforced first,
and second, I think the wizards sort of trashed it
a little bit to make it look like a place
that's already broken, to try to deter people from going.

(50:59):
I don't know, what do you think.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Could you imagine all of the letters that are being
sent to like the UK government or like the London
government of like we need to get this phone box fixed,
and then they they can't fix it for some reason.
It's just like the portrait that's in the Prime Minister's
office that they cannot take they can't take down. Yeah,

(51:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
That's amazing probably a lot, or maybe not. Maybe if
this is into like a shady, shady area, maybe there's
people to see it.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
There's just no gentrification allowed in this part of London.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yeah, well, what if, like what if a Muggle does
happen by and it looks like a regular phone booth
and they try to use it, what's going to happen? Like,
is it going to does it double? Does it work
as a normal phone for muggles but as a wizard
phone if you dial the right number for wizards.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I would imagine that it is just consistently out of order,
like it does not work unless you type in that number.
My question is what happens if a Muggle just happens
to pipe in six?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
I think it's got to work, right.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Hello, mug, It's got to work or do you want
I don't know, wouldn't that go against the statue to secrecy?
If you if you know Englily answer.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
Yeah, I mean what happens if a Muggle picks up
a wand why does anything happen? Kind of muggle use
a wand sorry sorry no, no, no no no.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
The exasperation was because they tried to do that in
Fantastic I gave a Jacob A. I never watched the
third film because I was like boycotting because it's but
except for the first one and it's great. But anyway,
so I don't know because I never saw it.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
But like like they like they they enchanted the wand
to work for.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Him, so seriously, that's what they did.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
So it was so I don't think anything would act
actually happen if a real Muggle, No.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Because one simply amplify the magic of the person exactly
the same.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, so is that the same thing with like this telephone?
So if a Muggle just types in six two four
four two, do you have to be magical and then
that has to like register that you're a magical person?
And if you're not, it's like a double like what
is it like a like a double confirmation, Like you
have to be magical, Like yeah, box senses that you're magical,

(53:30):
and then you have to put in the number and
it's like double what is it double opt in? I
don't know, double confirmation?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
Yeah, I know what you mean. I don't know. I
mean I think to the probability of if you think
about British phone numbers, I don't think I I guess
we'll hang on. Let me look at some of my
friend's phone numbers. Now, I'm just wondering if any of
them start with Oh, yeah, this one starts with a seven.
I was just thinking maybe I don't know what their numbers.
This one also starts with a seven.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
It's only five. It's only five numbers too.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
I know, but I'm just thinking, like, okay, so they
all start with seven, five, three something, So hang on,
I've got a few more.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I that was the first. If they were the first
five numbers of someone's.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
That's what I was trying to think, like what would happen?
But I just checked three British phone numbers, the first
ones that came to mind, and they all start with
seven to eight something. So I'm wondering if that six
two four four two was also specifically used. Yes, spells magic,
but also specifically used because it's not an exchange used
in London. So the odds of someone punching that in

(54:35):
would be slim to none, because if you're trying to
call another country from a box, you'd have to put
the country code first, and then it wouldn't work. Maybe
we're overthinking this. Yeah, maybe you can't get in if
you're not a wizard.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Can't We can't have it now, We can't have a
two hour long podcast if we don't.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Have a little nah.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Or maybe it's like is that a challenge?

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Maybe they don't really see it, and maybe I guess
maybe whoever said that it's just perpetually out of order.
Maybe it's like when they go to Saint Mungo's and
the shop is like always in chambers affects that.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So do we think that this phone
box is still there like right now in today as
well in twenty twenty five? Is this still the entrance
the visitors.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Entrance, the visitors entrance of the Ministry of Magic?

Speaker 3 (55:23):
Like what happens when the Muggle technology changes? I did
a Google search because I'm like, do these phone boxes
even even still exist? And so this is just from Google.
The red telephone boxes, iconic symbols of London, are still
a familiar site despite their declining use due to mobile phones.

(55:46):
While many are now repurposed, they remain a popular photo
opportunity for tourists. Many phone boxes have been adapted by
communities and repurposed for various uses, such as book exchanges,
relatest stations and lot installations.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
So oh, that was just.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
My little, my little Google sleuthing.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
All right.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Sorry, And it's so funny that you mentioned that, because
I literally just saw a reel where someone had asked
this question about the phone boxes.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
So anyway, I want to see a wizard walk into
the phone box has been changed into a defibrillator station
and shock that head.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
What's the stew?

Speaker 1 (56:30):
That would be bad. Yeah, that would be bad. That's
a great question, because I think the only way it's
removed is if the Wizarding World has caught up to
even the nineteen eighties when it comes to Muggle tech.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
I mean, so if we if we think we get
you know, Deathly Hallows Is ninety seven to ninety eight,
and then we get our nineteen years later, but we
don't really get any talk about tech there. So our
last reference to tech is really sort of some of
those camping scenes when Harry and Hermione and Ron are
like in the Muggle worlds in like nineteen ninety seven,

(57:06):
nineteen ninety eight, and they don't use any technology. I mean,
they still write with quills, for God's sake.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
But I guess like in the Muggle world, like, at
some point these phone boxes are removed. Well, yeah, they're removed,
and then so what happens is this like is this
the last telephone box standing? And then it becomes this
massive tourist attraction and then there's all of these muggles
swarming around there because it's all last phone box? Like

(57:33):
what do they do? Do they just how like what
do we think? How do they adapt?

Speaker 4 (57:38):
I think it's still there. I think it's still there.
And to your point, I actually after I watched the reel,
I did a Google search and according to someone who
lives in the UK, they are marked as historical landmarks,
so they actually cannot be removed, which is why they've
been repurposed. So I think it's still there. And I

(57:59):
think I think maybe they've just put in what is it?
What is it that they have on Hogwarts an undetectable
charm or something like that.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they're in cohoots with the
Muggle government, so I think that could be something they
could easily like set up and be like, hey, you
can't take that out? Why I'm not going to tell you, alrighty,
you know, So I sort of think maybe that's where
they are. I would tend to agree that it's there

(58:27):
as well, just because I don't have faith that the
Wizards have caught up to any sort of technology to
do anything different. And if it's the visitor's entrance, yeah,
I'm wishni I think how oft Yeah, probably pretty probably
pretty irregularly.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I just I very much disagree with that. Like, really,
think of all the people that are in trouble with
the like law enforcement, they have to go in for
hearings that aren't named Harry Potter, like, they have to
use the visitors entrance if they're not government. This is
for anyone that's not a government employee. So anyone that

(59:07):
has government, this is for all intents and purposes, this
is the this is the Wizarding World. D M buh
social Security Office like all the.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
You know, come on, they don't have any of that.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I mean, it's I do like anyone that has a hearing,
I mean Mundonga Fletcher probably has his own entrance.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Yeah, his house is directly connected like from the flutway
to the Ministry.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Also, I mean, there are like no jobs outside the
Ministry of Magic. So I'm gonna say a counterpoint and
say that actually few people use it because everybody works
there already.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
There are quite a few.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Because what job is there outside the Ministry of Magic
aside from quidditch.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Player, private business.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Owner owners okay gone to Elie, everyone who lives in Hogsmade,
the teachers, there's people who write.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
The books, workers, trolley witch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
I have named like maybe thirty people, thirty people that
need the wizarding license. I suppose, I suppose, I suppose,
But I found a really cool throwback comment on the
original episode is from Miss Cheetah nineteen eighty seven, and
she has a note about the six two four four two.
It says the dial number to get into the Ministry

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of Magic is a different number. In the Dutch edition
of Order of the Phoenix, their translation of magic and
Dutch is MAGI. I'm probably saying that wrong, but it's
m A G I E. So the last number is
the three instead of a two. So six two four
four three. I thought that was really interesting. I thought
that was cool, just you know, we like to talk
about translations and things.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
That's really cool. It's actually some that like at the
time when I read the book, it was when like
we all had our nochia phones, you know, and so
very much in that texting in that way, like using
the numbers to like write text messages.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Yeah, you have to hit the sex three times to
get the end. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
And so it was actually like, that's actually something that
I did pick up when I originally read the books.
And I'm not like a genius or anything, like, I
didn't pick up on very many things. Like most things
just just went straight over my head.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
But don't knock yourself, Tracy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
When I you know, I was like a teenager at
the time, so I was just reading the books. But
that's something I was like, oh, hang on, like what
does that spell? It's actually something that the first time
I read the books, I picked up that its spelled magic.
And so it's really cool that when they did the translations.
I'm hoping that they did it in like all of
the languages.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I'm sure they did.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
It's probably not something that would be like readily picked
up on nowadays with our use of you know, our
touch phones and stuff, like we're not using that kind
of numeric like alpha numeric whatever it is, like, we're
not using that form to write anything for texting. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yeah, it also took me a minute to figure out
what you're talking about. Because of your accent. You said
Nokia and I was like, it's no key, yeah, we
we just say that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Oh differently, it's no Kia Kia Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Yeah, that's all. And I was like, oh yeah, But
then I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I think I gotcha.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
I don't know what the real pronunciation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Is, probably somewhere in between. We're probably we're probably all
very wrong. Yeah, whatever, it doesn't matter. Harry and Arthur
somehow make it inside through the visitors entrance, and this
weird magical AI voice is like, who please enter, and
he puts his little badge on and they go inside
and they say that he has to like register his

(01:02:53):
wand but Harry is just sort of also in. I
don't think he's ever really been in other than you know, okay,
other than Hogwarts and like the Quidish World Cup Stadium.
He's never really been in a place that is this
grand before. And he really takes in the whole atmosphere
and just how big the building is and all of that,
which I think is kind of neat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I think wouldn't green Gots be considered about the same
as far as like impressive facilities.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I mean impressive, yeah, but I don't think it's big.
Maybe I never got the impression that it was. It's
obviously vast underneath, but I sort of got the impression
that the hall itself isn't that big. That could be
the films leaking into that could be the films leaking
into my impression of it there too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Honestly, I think it's the films getting in the MODI yeah,
I don't think that. I don't think I'm picturing green dots.
I think I guess what I'm doing with the greenots
is more of what like Tom Riddle did where he
put a horse hurts there for you know whatever, you know,
because that was I don't know it made it made
an impact on him whenever he visited diagon Alley for

(01:04:03):
the first time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Sure, so, yes, we have entered the Ministry and Harry's
looking around and probably owing and on and seeing all
this cool magical stuff. But I have a problem with
this fountain that's hanging out in the middle of everywhere.
It's got a wizard in the middle with a witch
and other creatures staring up at him in adoration. Now,

(01:04:28):
I will say it's better than the fountain that ends
up there later where they're standing atop the muggles. But
does anybody else find this a little icky? No?

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
You are totally and completely alone in this thought, and
no one has ever, ever, ever, ever no thought. No,
you aren't one, no everybody. It's total. It's bad.

Speaker 4 (01:04:51):
Like I never really noticed it until this reread, Like
I just kind of glossed over it. But this time
I really listened because I listened to the audiobook and
I was like, wait a minute, and I had to
rewind it and listen again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
Yeah, it feels it feels icky.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yeah, which is crazy because like, oppressors never do this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
Never, this never happens.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
I mean, yeah, I am not, of course putting down
all of the other representation in this uh fountain, but
I think you all know what I'm gonna say is
that I think the I think the yuckiest one is
the one with the elf because it's it's it's one
thing to like uphold the patriarchy, Like, yes, sure the

(01:05:38):
witch is there and she's looking up at the wizard like, oh,
that's just patriarchy. I'm not saying just but you understand
what I'm saying. It's a different kind of oppression for
the goblin and the elf they're standing there. I find
them all equally icky. But I find the elf and
the goblin one. It's like elf goblin woman. Maybe I

(01:06:00):
should be going the other way. But you get what
I'm saying, right, Yeah, yeah, they're all gross.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
It's ick. This is well. But I do love that
we see Harry doing a little bit of bargaining here.
I think he's in that that desperate state of mind
where he's like, I'll do anything to make sure this
goes the way that I want it to go. And
he's standing in there bargaining, I'll put ten gallions and
if I get off, And I just think it's really cute.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Also ten gallions that is like seventy bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
Yeah, that's a lot of money.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
That is a lot of money to donate.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
He's serious, he needs to get off rich.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
He's rich. He is rich. You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
I was just gonna say he's rich.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
A new wand of seven gallons.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
So yeah, yep, yeah, it's expensive, it's expensive. But then
we get to meet Eric the security witch wizard, security guy.
He's a security wizard. I don't know, for a hot moment,
for a hot moment I wondered if he was a squib.
But he's not. I just for some reason this time

(01:07:04):
when I was renound like, it's Eric a squib, but
he's not. He's not a squib. He is a security wizard.
Just to be clear.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Yeah, I was kind of wondering, what, like, what is
the there's like a long golden rod that he kind
of holds up like swipes Harry up and down with,
Like is that the secrecy sensor? And what is he
trying to detect?

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
That is the proberty probe?

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
And what's the thing that friend George say, they're gonna whoop, right?

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
And so is that the same thing as the secrecy censor?
Are they two different things? And I do not think
they detect.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah, I don't think that they're the They're the same.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Wait, isn't proberty probe just a nickname?

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
I don't think so, because in definitely Hallows when they
are visiting Green Gods, proberity probes is capitalized. So I
do think that it is a brand name of some
type of sensor. They could be called a secrecy sensor.
Tracy seems as though she is looking that up right now, which.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Is Okay, So so proberity probe is the Kleenex and
secrecy sensor is the tissue.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Yeah, that makes sense, is what I'm just trying to say.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
What was do do you understand?

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
You both looked at what was that?

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
Kleenex is the brand name, and okay, and definitely hallows
it says the probes Harry knud detected spells of concealment
and hidden magical objects.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
And the from what I'm getting from Google, take this
with the grain of salt. The secrecy sensor is used
to detect general concealment.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
All right, so it's kind of like a metal detector.
I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Wait, oh well, hold on, secrets Lexicon says, a probe
probe is the long, thin, flexible golden rod used like
a Muggle security wand the checks spells of a concealment
and hidden magical objects.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah, so the property probe is a like a metal detector.
A secrecy sensor is like an atmospheric kind of deal.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
I don't know. The lexicon says that they think they're
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Let me see. Secrecy sensor, which is also capitalized in
goblet of Fire, vibrates when it detects concealment and lies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I do not think this could do that too, but
we're not seeing it because there are no concealment in lies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
I don't think that a proberity probe would be able
to detect a law. I think that maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
I don't think that the best. I just think it's
the best name. It's such a good I think they're
the same. I think they're the same. I think they're
the same.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
This hard sec I mean, we know, we we know
they're not the same because we we we are aren't they?
We know the property probe is described as a long
golden rod, the secrecy sensorm. Oh, I'm thinking about snecoscope.
I don't think. I don't. I think they're similar. I

(01:10:16):
think that they are marketed by the same security.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
Company trying to sell two different things to do the
same thing to get more money.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
I mean, listen, there are there are thermometers that are
specifically meant for them and not for the you know,
so like maybe there's a special thing. Maybe they are
the same, but the property probe has a special like.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Attachment, yeah, thing for it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Y'all gonna move on because I got all kinds of
things I want to say, and I'm not saying them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Being great, Okay, we we will, we will move on.
What is the point of the wand scale and keeping
the slip of paper? I think obviously it's for security,
they like do the thing and people. Yes, it's like
a bellatrix, it's a wand thing, blah blah blah. But
in a world that is not at war, Like what

(01:11:15):
does having the slip of paper that tells you what
Harry's wand is made of? What does that do? Because
if you are going to do like an investigation, which
we know they're not because it's a wizarding world, right,
they don't care about justice. But let's say for Singerles,
they did do like a priori in Cantatam or whatever
to like find out like what spell you used last?

(01:11:38):
Why do you need to know what the person's wand
is made of?

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Like what just like paperwork?

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Benefit? Is it bureaucracy?

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
Yeah, it's well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Yeah, paperwork, but also like gruesome here. But like say
there's like a terrorist attack and they're identifying bodies.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Well, at the end of this book that sort of happens.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Yeah you know you know who who came in. Is
this an employee? I don't know, that's that's gone to
a dark place. But for the worst case scenario, yeah,
Or if you're a person coming in like not accompanied
by somebody who works in the ministry, like you're just
there for a hearing, or you have to go get

(01:12:21):
paperwork from an office.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
Maybe it's so that you can keep the slip of
paper on you in case they need to identify who
you are for like your paperwork. Maybe there's like a
registry or like maybe they can scan it through something
and it confirms their ID any kind of like a
driver's license.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
I think this is just data gathering for data gathering sake.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Yeah, paperwork bureaucracy, they're data mining.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Yeah why not? I mean like it's just like having
like fingerprinting almost, like we have record of all these
things just to have them just in case we ever
need them and if we can find a if we
can find a sinister use for them later.

Speaker 3 (01:13:07):
We will yeah sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
I mean how for argument's sake, how does the wand
how I get what you're hinting at. I'm just trying
to connect the dots. How is the wand equivalent to
a fingerprint. I can sort of see it, but like
a fingerprint is so unique to the individual. I know

(01:13:35):
wands are as well. But if there are a thousand students,
if there are a thousand students in Hogwarts, and let's
just assume that every one of those students has two parents,
because you generally need two people to make to make
a child. I said, generally, not always. So that's three

(01:13:56):
thousand wizards right there. And that's only school from the
pool of Hogwarts students. Yeah, school age students whatever. So
let's just assume that there are ten times more than that,
So three hundred or thirty thousand wizards in Britain alone,
there have to be people that have the same wand

(01:14:18):
I just feel like there aren't that many combinations. I mean,
the length, obviously, is is something that could someone Josh,
you're the smart one, do the math. How many combinations
of wands are there?

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
I don't know how many.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
You don't have to do it right now.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
I don't know how many. I don't know how many
different woods there are the problem is that there's only
three cores that oli And uses. There are other cores
you can use vila.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Hair, yeah, wand Woods, I'm going to count right now,
hang on one, two, three, four.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
But then also what if you have a borrowed one
like Ronda like or if you have a hand me
down one, So that doesn't necessarily.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Buy the privity what it maybe?

Speaker 4 (01:15:01):
So does it go back to want to wand does
it go back to run one or the original?

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
Is it one? Or is it the original owner of
the wand?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Well, I mean, what what if it's I still go
back to data morning like I think that it's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Just thirty eight wand Woods.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Okay said thirty eight times three. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
And then you have to figure the I mean the
shortest wand we.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Are aware of is is umbrages.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Umbridge and it's like I think it's like even short.
I think it's like that short.

Speaker 4 (01:15:36):
Wow, No, I.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Think it's like no, it's eight inches. And then Hagrids
is the longest we are aware of fourteen fifteen, sixteen sixteen,
so and we have people with quarter inch increments, so
you have to go quarter inch between eight inches and
fourteen inches? Which how many is that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
There's three one hundred new combinations there you.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Go, So wands just aren't as unique as a fingerprint,
which you know they say, they say nobody has the
same fingerprint. I don't know if that's true. I don't
know that I believe that with however many billion people
are on the planet now, But I we have belabored
the fact. Again, I guess that's what we do here.

(01:16:23):
I just don't see the point. I guess bureaucracy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:27):
I know it's so Harry, we'll go home and then
he'll get targeted with ads on the internet. Yeah, like
the best the best oil for your holy and phoenix
for the ones to make this is exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
Targeted for the wizard telemarketers.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
That is a fantastic reason to never adopt technology. I'm
just saying, if I never had to have a targeted
ad ever again, that would be the one that would
be the one. But anyway, they get into the elevator
because Arthur, you know, they're going to Harry's hearing, and
they see quote a very ordinary chicken who breathes fire,

(01:17:14):
which I thought was incredible, and then Arthur says, looks
like a serious breach on the band of experimental breeding
to me, and I was just like in my head,
I was like Hagrid, Hagrid Hagrid.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Hagrid has on a recent episode like when Umbridge probably
you guys, like very recent and like Umbridge was questioning
Hagrid about yep, you know, and then I was a
discussion about like is it even illegal that Hagrid's done this? Well,
I guess this is like the precursor for that, like

(01:17:44):
it it has to be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Yeah, I mean he made the screws, he breeded the
screw its, like that is experimental breeding. Yeah, but Hagrid
gets away with everything he really does. I bet Bianca
was on that episode. I bet she called them think I'll.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Think that, and we're on the episode and I think
we both called him that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
That makes sense, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
But I like, as they're in the elevator, I think
this is really great that we get you know, we
talked that this chapter is a lot of world building,
and now that we're in the Ministry, there's even more
of it because we get to see everything that's on
every single level of the Ministry of Magic as they're
going down, up, up, up up up, Yes, as they

(01:18:36):
are going up, And I think it's fantastic. I think
it's fantastic.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
That's the thing that stood out to me was the
fact that they're going up, but the numbers are going
down because they're technically underground, so they have to go up.
But if they answer so okay, now I have another question.
If they answer from the visitor's entrance they go down,
do all the entrances enter underground? Yeah, they yeah, because

(01:19:04):
they go down, so it's all underground.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
It's all yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
So they're going up, but the numbers are going down.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
But I think it's like if you were at ground
level and then you're going like up in an elevator,
you go to like level one, level two, level three,
level four, But we're starting at ground level, and so
we're going to like level one, level two, level three.
Does that makes sense? So like the height, so.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Think about like negative one negative.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
So that's like it makes sense?

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
It does. I'm trying to so I know, because we're
starting at the atrium, which is like down the bottom,
but then you were going like seven six, five, four three.
But if we're starting at the ground, I guess like
the direct level that's below is level one minus one,
which would be like the level one of the ministry,
and then you go down a level and level two,

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So I think if we think of it, like the
ground is our like zero level.

Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
So like their top floor would be the typical ground
level for a normal building where it goes up.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yeah, yeah, just take the building and look.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Yeah, I'm totally overthinking this, Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
What struck me was like, there's seven levels, and it's
like seven the most magical number.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
But there's also.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
There are other levels. But what was interesting to me
is that none of the other levels I wrote them
all out here. I won't write but everything's listed. So
seven sixty five for three two they get off foot
level two, So we find out what's on all of those,
but we don't find out what is on level one.
I think until deathly hallows. That's like the Minister's office, right,

(01:20:53):
But then there's presumably there's the atrium, which I guess
we could call level eight, but they don't refer to
it as level eight. They just call it the atrium.
And then even below that there's Department of Mysteries, but
they don't call it level nine. So the elevator AI
lady announces it as the Department of Mysteries. She doesn't

(01:21:17):
say level nine the Department of Mysteries. And then I guess.
I'm guessing there is a level ten below that, which
is the courtrooms. But again it's it's not referred to.
The lift doesn't even go that low. So like, why
why is that? Why?

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Seven?

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Is it just because seven seven is the most magical.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Not because there are is the other magical number? And
she couldn't come up with five more? How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Yeah, you really don't even need five more? Well, I'll
tell you what care? Seven?

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
You need two more?

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
Ams eight? Then the Department of Mysteries would be nine,
and then the court rooms would be ten. Yeah, but
then what would the other two be.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
A good question? Well, I have another silly question. On
level seven, the elevator says Department of Magical Games and Sports,
incorporating the British and Irish Quidditch League Headquarters, Official Gobstones Club,
and Ludacrous Patent's Office. And I wanted us to just
contemplate for a couple of minutes on what some of
those ludicrous patents could be, because maybe we'll stumble upon

(01:22:27):
a new invention and we'll become billionaires. Wouldn't that be great?
I mean, I don't want to be a billionaire, because
that's unethical, But you get my point.

Speaker 4 (01:22:36):
The only reason I would want to be a billionaire
is so that I could give out the money to
other people, Like well, right right, I'm a sharer.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
So Josh is holding out his hand, He's ready for it.
You'd be a billionaire too, Broke. We're going to invent
this together right here on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
I think there is like there is a mention of
patents and it's the Weasleys patented day dream charm. Oh,
they have had to go through this ludicrous patent's office
or would it just be like the normal patent office.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Is the normal magical? Everything gets submitted to the normal
and then they have to divvy it out between themselves
or the ludicrous like this is ludicrous.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
I mean the fact that they have patents at all
is incredible. In the Wizarding World, I mean, they don't
have just trials, but they have patents. I mean, I
guess money, right, money rules at all? Even Yeah, that's smart.
I hadn't thought about the day dream charm. I bet
they definitely had to go through that office. And I
wonder if they called it like so does the ludicrous

(01:23:43):
patent office? Is it their job to say ludicrous or.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Valid, like like are they stamping it like ludicrous and
it goes off one tube vallid, it goes up the
other tube.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
I think I think the flow chart starts a normal
patent office and then they go normal or ludicrous and
the ludicris patent office says, yeah, extra ludicrous or.

Speaker 1 (01:24:13):
I just need to tell you, as a word, as
an elder millennial slash xennial, how badly I want to
bust out to a little Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
I'm struggling so hard every time I say it, I'm like,
don't do it, don't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Glad that I am not alone.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Let's let's hear it, Kat, because I believe you were
the one who had some of those albums memorized back
in the day. So I'm that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
Was jay Z it was and it's because it was
my crushes.

Speaker 4 (01:24:46):
Yeah, no wrapping today, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:24:52):
Sorry, Tracy already did it. She did the Luto Yeah, anyway,
she did it was perfect. Yes, I think you have
a note here about another level A.

Speaker 4 (01:25:05):
Level six, A level six including the apparition test center.
So do they have to actually come to the ministry
for their apparition tests or did they not do that
at school because I remember when they took their tests
and Ron failed because of like his eyebrow or something
something very small. Did they have to come into the

(01:25:27):
ministry or did like the officials come to them and
then they just bring the paperwork back to Yeah, because
that would seem expressive.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
I think it's just where all the paperwork is, like
where all all the office workers kind of work. It's
where they do their day job, and then they'll go
remotely out to different places to do the tests.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
You know, probably where they keep copies of the licenses
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
And no, I think I think that they would also
test there. I just think that during the hogworks, nothing matter,
it's easier for them to go there. But if you
if you either have an out of out of school
your birthday, if you have an out of if you
fail your exam and can't retake it, you can retake
it over the summer at the tests possible because they

(01:26:17):
start Yeah, like if because like it's just like Harry,
he can go to apparition class or whatever and like
learn how to do it, but he can't take his exam.
So really Harry probably took his apparition test here.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
So it's kind of like drivers said, where if you're
not in traditional school you can go to like a
driving school. So this is like the people who didn't
take it during the traditional school year, they can go
and do like a makeup test or like yeah that
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Yeah, or if you turn yeah, if you turn seventeen
over the summer or whatever you can, or sixteen. I
always seven. Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:02):
I always assumed that the classes we see at Hogwarts
were very special and set up by Dumbledore because they're
in the middle of a war. I don't think it
typically happens like that. Maybe it does, but I always
assumed it was a special case.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
Oh really, So do you think they normally have to
like schedule an appointment and come in like the d.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
Do I do? I mean, Josh was convinced that, you know,
the Visitors Center we used a lot because of the DMV,
and this would be the closest equivalent to.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
The DMV, especially over the summer like we see here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Yeah, so I don't know. I do think I think
Tracy's point of you know, this is the head office,
and the people go and they do tests other places
as well. I think that's probably pausible, But I always
thought it was like a Dumbledore special h So yeah,
I particularly like that the memos use the elevator rather

(01:27:58):
than simply flying through the building. Do stairs not exist
in the Ministry of Magic? And can the memos not?
Just like you not? Can you not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
See the like teleports through anywhere else?

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
You know what I mean? Like is is.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
They fly out the fake windows and then like into
the like is it?

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
I mean the word atrium and the way again, maybe
this is the film Loaking In, but I feel like
the way Harry describes it or sees it, and maybe
maybe it is just a film, but I think the
word atrium on define atrium, so like yeah, and atrium
is a central hall or court, so it's like like

(01:28:46):
the inside it's like a motel where the doors are
all on the inside. So yes, the Ministry of Magic
in the middle is open and the floors go around it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
But it's all waldaf so you have to go up
the elevators to get to the different floors.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Yeah, but there, why aren't there? Come on, there have
to be stairs.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Because they're all at Hogwarts like likewarts use the stair
allowance for the entire Wizarding World.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
It's at Hogwarts, there doesn't have to be stairs because
there's the reason that muggles. The reason that we have
stairs is that in case of an emergency, electronics and
things and like elevators can break down. A magical elevator
is not going to break down.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Well, well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Them elevate a Yeah, I wouldn't take the stairs.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
I would either. I'm absolutely taking the elevator every time.
But to that point, to the emergency point though, if
there is an emergency of some type, do they just disoparate,
you know, like can you disoperate and operate or do
you have to take the food network or the visitor's
entrance or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Arthur says, he'd don really operates in the work.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Yeah, does he operate into his office or into the
into the tree all way?

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
So what if they're in their office in case of
an emergency, how do they get out if you can
only operate from the atrium. Well, what if they're not working?
Like what if there's a massive.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
If the aren't working, they're all dead.

Speaker 4 (01:30:28):
So it's just oh well, too bad, out of luck.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
That's a major problem. Maybe not, I mean they will
give just trials in the Wizarding World, I mean, I've
brought it up like four times in this episode. It's
that's how big of a problem it is.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
Well, wait, don't they take the stairs down to the courtroom?

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Yeah, but there the lifts do and go down that far.
So the answer to my question, do stairs exist to
the Ministry of Magic, Yes they do, but just not
in between the other levels.

Speaker 4 (01:31:02):
They don't service the whole building.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
I just think it's funny and cute. I don't know,
there's lots of very cute world building things in this
chapter that the the little paper airplanes flying to the elevator.
I don't know, it's very.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Queen So I mean to that point though, we're talking
about how wizards don't need stairs really because they have
elevators that would never break down. But they still can't.
They still had to go to a different method than
owls because there's just you still got to be something
with your poop.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
You know why. Because they got sick and tired over
the generations of taking up crap in the street and
disappearing their poo that they just didn't want to deal
with the owl pool any don't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
We but just leave it to like the magical maintenance
guys like they can do it, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Unless you're the magical maintenance guy and you're like, you
will just have some paper airplanes.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
They unionized.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
We're not cleaning it anymore. We're done.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
We understand that you like your owls, but I bet
they would like to be outside.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
With real like in in real outside, not with like
fake outside windows.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
We'll get to it. But those windows seem awesome, Yeah
they do.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
What also seems awesome is Level three Department of Magical
Accidents and Catastrophes, including the Accidental Magic Reversal Squad, the
Obliviator Headquarters, and the muggle Worthy Excuse Committee. So here
we go. Let's hear some of those muggle worthy excuses
and what makes an excuse muggle worthy?

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
The Muggle made me do it? Like what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Like is this to mugglate my homework?

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
Is this?

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
What is this? Like why a muggle saw them do magic?

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
Or like I think it could be yeah, like.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Real world examples like gold Book examples of like when
Pedigrew blew up the street and then they called it
a gas explosion, so like this would be the job
of that or like when they make those like shrinking keys,
like Muggle bait and then the Muggles will just insist

(01:33:17):
they keep losing them. You know, So is this another
one or is it just anything that like makes the
Muggles seem a bit is ludicrous.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yeah, well they are.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
They connected the ludicrous Paige in office and the Muggle
for the Excuse Committee.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
So do you do you think Harry's paying attention to
these different levels? Like if if we were on the
elevator for that first time, we would probably be asking
Arthur questions. But Harry is also now nervous because the
hearing is coming right too distracted. Yeah yeah, so I.

Speaker 1 (01:33:54):
Mean Arthur's narrating a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Yeah, a bit. The elevator is also full of people too, though,
like everyone gets off on right here. So I don't know,
It's just it'd be nice to see not nerves, not nervous,
Harry can be able to go hey, what like on
a normal day.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Yeah. I wonder if Arthur has a lot of contact
with the Muggle Worthy Excuse Committee.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
I would imagine I think that they would have to,
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
I feel like that whole department is like I'm going
to use the G word here, like waste of gas
light Muggles. That's what it feels like.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
Yeah, It's like when Aunt Marge got blown up, it
was just like anaplexis.

Speaker 4 (01:34:40):
My gosh, what do you mean you've floated away? That
didn't happen, and then they wiped her memory and that
was all good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Yeah, I guess ERTs.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
That's an interesting tracy is thinking instead of like a
wizard blaming a Muggle for doing something, it's like trying
to come up with an excuse to like modify the
memory of a Muggle.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Yeah, that's fun. That's that's a very interesting way of
thinking about it. I bet you're right. I bet that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Like, what what's something that we could tell a muggle
or you change the memory of a muggle too, that
they would not question because you can't say. You can't say,
like if a hippogriff came and like attack them, you
can't change it to a dragon attacks you, right, Yeah,
But then it becomes like, oh, I guess it could
be it could be a dog or a hulk came

(01:35:36):
in and attacked.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Ye, a hawk's it has happened.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Wow, fighting words. But Arthur and Harry approached the RROR
office and Arthur's like, oh, we're gonna pop in here.
We're going to talk to Kingsley for a second. So
they go in and Kingsley has got this little cube
and Sirius's face is everywhere. Sort of as we talked about,
he is now in charge of the hunt for Serious Black,

(01:36:07):
which of course is comical to everybody because everybody knows
where serious is. But I think that's kind of a
fun job. I don't know. If I was Kingsley, I'd
be like, yeah, okay, I'll do that. That sounds fun.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
But was this always his job or has he recently
taken it on since joining the Order? Yeah, so, like
it seems like also Kingsley has a brain fart when
he calls them fire legs or and Arthur knows that
they're not called fire legs. But is it this is

(01:36:41):
another time like Arthur does he know things or does
he not know things? Because I'm confused, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Yeah, he did, at least just do a report on
fire arm.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
You're right, You're right, it's just recent memory. But then
if moving forwards, he would probably be the one calling
them fire legs because it usually him that's getting these
things missed up, and it seems out of character for
Kingsley or is it just for for the drama and
for like the show to like have this fake argument.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
No, the entire exchange itself is brilliant. I feel like
it's partially for Yeah, for the drama.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Yeah, it's all it's all comedic relief. That's what it's
meant to be. But now that we're here with Kingsley,
I wanted to point out that our podcast question of
the Week for the original episode boils down to basically,
is Kingsley a trader?

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Is he considered a trader because of what he's doing,
because of his job and and you know, joining the
Order of the Phoenix? And there were tons of great responses,
but I pulled this one because I thought it was
really interesting. It's from Aaron White, and they say, trader
is a word that, like selfish, has gotten a not

(01:37:56):
completely earned bad rap. Trader is this is only an
aspersion from the perspective of the betrayed. Every time a
group rises up against their government, they are traders to
that government. That does not add automatically mean they are wrong, bad,
lacking in integrity, evil, et cetera. From the viewpoint of
the ministry. All these people, Snape, Loop and Kingsley, et cetera,

(01:38:19):
are traders because they are working against the ministries practices. However,
from the Order's point of view, these practices are considered corrupt,
and therefore these people are heroes. They're putting themselves in
peril for the cause in which they believe. Ultimately, after
the Second War is one wizarding History sees them as
heroes too, but that's only because Voldemor was defeated and

(01:38:41):
what was left of the Order took control of the Ministry.
Had Voldemore prevailed, the death Theaters would have taken hold
of the Ministry and people like Kingsley would have been
painted as misguided, traitorists, foolish failures. History is after all
written by the victors, and as such it presents the
victor perspective. Wooh wooh, Aaron Waite snaps for that comment,

(01:39:07):
so good, very succinct, perfectly put. I personally have.

Speaker 4 (01:39:12):
No nothing to add.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
I guess no exactly, I guess like that question. When
I saw it written there, my first thought was like,
how dare you? But then also yes, yes, Kingsley is
a trader, not from not from our point of view.
But he is actively going to work, and he's not

(01:39:36):
just like not doing his job. Like it's not like
he's quiet quitting, Like he's not just doing nothing. He's
actively planting misinformation about the task that he's meant to
be performing. So in the eyes of the ministry, yes, absolutely,
he's a trader. He is working, actively working against the ministry.

(01:40:00):
So yes, I'm not saying that he's wrong, but yeah,
but yes, for.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
More reading the American Revelation, I don't know what else
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
You know, As I was after I read Aaron's comment,
and I was as I was reading the other podcast
Question of the Week responses, they had a lot of
discussion about Peter Pettigrew and how they felt like he
was the only true trader in the series because no
matter sort of what side you're on, he does something

(01:40:34):
that is nefarious that because he's really only for himself.
He's not doing it for the sake of other people
or aside. Yes, like one could argue that he does
it for Lord Voldemorre, but he's really doing it to
protect himself. And I thought that was a really interesting
conversation because, yeah, are there any other people like Pedigrew

(01:40:59):
who could be seen as a trader, but actually really aren't.
I'm not saying Peedtigrew's not, but do you know what
I'm saying? And I thought about it a lot, and
I couldn't come up with anybody else, Sisa.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Honestly, everyone would view Narcissa as a trader from I
guess Stumbledore side, because she is with Lucius and on
Boltemort's side at least, and like maybe helping the cause there,
and then she does become a trader for her own
self interest to get back to Draco. She you know,

(01:41:31):
turned trader on Voldemort. And I don't know, I don't
know if that if that, if that goes all the way,
that's a trader, but that is that is her doing
the same thing that Pedigrew did and like her own
self interest at least.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Yeah, no, I think I think that's a good example.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
In a way. Mandungus could kind of be seen as
a trader too, for the whole fiasco when they're transporting
Harry into Seven Potters the way, because he does he
disappears like he he is out for himself, he's out
to protect himself, and he just disappears away and causes chaos.
The death of Moody. Oh that happens because of him.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
I think it's just cowardice. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I
wouldn't do that, trader because he didn't go. He didn't
go to help or support the cause of Voldem. He
just bugged out.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
Oh yeah, I guess right, because technically he didn't want
to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
That's where I see more of like Draco. Draco and
Manungus fit more in the cowardice roles than yeah, uh
than traders. Like I don't consider Draco a trader. I
consider him a coward.

Speaker 1 (01:42:36):
Oh yeah, he is a coward. Capital c.

Speaker 4 (01:42:40):
Oh, capital c.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Yeah. It's a big old sea baby, it's a big
old see. But I'd be really interested to know what
listeners think about that. Again, they had this conversation in
the comments back on episode eighty four his podcast Question
of the Week. But you know, we have a lot
of new listeners now, so go tell us what you
think and dumb Josh, it is now your turn. You

(01:43:03):
can talk about these enchanted windows. Yes, so, and I
agree they sound incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Yeah. So, my at my house, my office is in
my basement. I have one window on the very far end,
and like eventually I would like to wall it off.
But if I wall it off, I'll have no there's
no acter light that comes in at all. And like
I've seen people, I've seen things of like digital picture

(01:43:30):
frames you can put up on the wall and it
has like a nice outdoor like you can put it
like put it in an outdoor picture. But these are
beaming like it says sunlight is streaming through the windows,
like the magical windows, I guess, And it just seems
I don't know, they just seem really perfect for a
situation like this where we want an after light. We

(01:43:51):
know the n after light has like positive impacts on
mood and metal stability and all these kinds of things.
What a perfect convention, What a perfect It's not even
a ludicrous patent. It is a wonderful patent.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
But do we think that it has been ludicrously patented?

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
You know what? I think. I think that I think
it did get through the ludicrous patent office because I
think the first time you said I want real like
magical streaming sunlight or streaming or like weather to come
through my window, I think that's ludicrous. And then they
were like it's not a terrible idea.

Speaker 6 (01:44:31):
And then they got you know, every everyone thought electricity
was ludicrous and now look at us.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
I like it. I like the idea of it being
like the real thing, but not.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
I just love that. Tracy asked a question and all
I all I had was yet, yes, I think that
I have. I will give you no elaboration on that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
I just feel like I was I need it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Well, so we you know, we we we see that Arthur.
Arthur does mention that. I guess at one point in time,
there's like two months where they just got hurricanes in
their windows. So like if some light can stream through
the winda, like I reckon that, Like it's not something

(01:45:28):
you can like open or anything like that, but like
if you look out, it's just it just be dreary.
All the time.

Speaker 3 (01:45:33):
They were herds rattling.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
Yeah, Like I wonder if like there are some type
of physical responses to that, because if some light can
stream through the winda and there's a hurricane outside of it,
you would think that it would be rattling.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
There's sound effects, there's there's like a little like cold
breeze coming through the that would be amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
I'm here for it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
But is it is it just the light or is
the sun producing heat as well or is it just light?

Speaker 2 (01:46:09):
Well, if you can get some yes heat, thank you. Yeah,
I guess we have. We got uv A u v
B rays coming through for sure, definitely getting some burns.
I bet there's a bit of uh, I don't know,
stity heat.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
Well, I mean, Josh, you deal with with home building
and things. They have these fake skylights, right, like lights
that look like skylights, yes, I mean standards, yes, what
kind of what kind of I don't know rays? As

(01:46:50):
Shamani was saying, is that I mean, is that are
those fluorescent? Are they led?

Speaker 3 (01:46:55):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
What are those typically you're I mean souse. You can
get sunburned from any sort of light, right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Yeah, So I mean if if if it's a true
like digital or electronic skylight that is supposed to mimic
actual out outdoor lighting, then it's just really it's it's
almost like a display or you know, you can do
a natural light bulb or something A lot of times

(01:47:22):
with skylights too, if they'll like come up and if
it's like a it's like a a maze of mirrors.
That eventually go outside, grabbed the lot and then you know,
the mirrors project it down through the skylight itself.

Speaker 4 (01:47:40):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
It sounds expensive.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Yeah, don't recommend if anyone builds a house, I do
not recommend skylights, say leak like you said, don't do that,
it's not worth it. But yeah, anyway, I think that
I think that they can magically give sun tans and
burns if necessary. Yeah, but I think the wizards could

(01:48:03):
also not do that if they want, Like it could
just be a projection of a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
Yeah, sure, well, and couldn't they also not have small
offices because I think it's it's Arthur's like, oh we've
got this, or I think maybe the narrator Harry is noting.
That's a really small office. There's barely there's just the
two desks in there, and there's piles of junk. They
have undetectable extension terms and they can make things bigger

(01:48:28):
on the inside.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Yeah, but then how why does anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
Have a small office?

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
How would you differentiate the haves from the have nots? Like,
how how would you display your power?

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Everyone had this beautiful light filled sun tanning office, you know,
which is like beautifully decorated and everyone was treated equally
like it would be lovely. But then how would you know,
like who's the minister and who's the misuse of Muggle artifacts?
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
I mean, yes, logically that's correct. Logically you are correct.
But couldn't Arthur and Perkins just like judge it up themselves.

Speaker 4 (01:49:11):
One would?

Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
Maybe they can't. Maybe there's a block on it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:14):
I don't know, yeah, I mean there's We know that
they could definitely block it, because if not, they wouldn't
have had hurricanes for two months in their windows, you know,
So like there is some type of block that's happened
on for magical maintenance and then you know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:49:28):
That's just in the windows.

Speaker 4 (01:49:30):
Well, and can't they I mean I feel like they
should be able to extend it in some way or
at least get themselves some more space by clearing out
these files. Because we see earlier that Bill vanishes their
maps and whatever they're looking at at the Order movie.
Why can't they just vanish the files and then reappear

(01:49:52):
them when they need them. That would give them a
lot more space.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
I mean, when we talked about that, we did contemplate
where that goes. Maybe that. You know, maybe that follows
Bill around all day and that's like a magical weight
on his shoulders. And to have to vanish those boxes
of files and carry them around magically all the time,
maybe it gets heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
Yeah, but if vanished objects go into.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
Nothingness, Yes, where did vanish? Let's go into non being,
which is to say everything, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:50:20):
So we have our floating file particles hanging out and
then just recall them.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
They should make another level of the ministry that's just
for filing, and you can vanish all of your stuff
to filing. Ooh, and then look, if it were me,
if I was.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Missed, it's level eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
Yeah, we just need one more. If it were me,
and if I was mister Weasley, I would just swap
offices with the broom closet because the broom closet is
bigger than their office. So I would just be like, Okay, cool,
this is a new broom closet and I'm taking this
slightly larger office. That's what I would do. That's that's

(01:51:01):
my solution.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
Oh yeah, there's there's a lot of a lot of
questions here, like covering the window situation, like are they
only certain people allowed to make windows, Like why can't
they make their own window? And they because they say
they had to ask for it for ages before they
got one. I have a lot of questions about the
limits on magic inside the ministry, because like, these are

(01:51:27):
full grown wizards in theory, they should be able to
do whatever they want within reason.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, speaking as somebody who works in
a facilities department, a lot of requests are denied because
it's expensive and we just don't have time to get
it done. But this is a wizarding world, and why
can't Arthur and Perkins just give themselves a window? I
don't know. Maybe it's really expensive to put the windows

(01:51:53):
into the infrastructure of a building with no stairs. I
don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't
honestly say we will never know. No, Unfortunately, you are correct,
we will never know. That's okay. We have thousand other
burning questions, like who in the world would make a

(01:52:16):
toilet regurgitate and listen, listen, this is going to be
a timely reference because maybe none of you will get this,
probably not, but somebody out there listening to this at
some point will get this. The series finale of the
Age of the Sex and the City spinoff, and just
like that just ended, and there was a regurgitating toilet
in the episode, and I was like, why am I

(01:52:36):
looking at somebody's poop and a toilet in the series
finale of a TV show? And now here I am
talking about a regurgitating toilet on this podcast. It's like,
why is there so much poop in my life lately?
I don't know, but it was really dumb then, and
I think it's kind of dumb here.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
It's it's that guy for the plot will Oh yeah, Willie, oh,
Willy WILLI were.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Shims, yep, that's him. I passed for the day.

Speaker 1 (01:53:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
I don't know. I just I know that I would
be like really super pissed off if I encountered this,
because regurgitating it makes it sound like it's not like
the regular where your toilet backs up situation, Like it
feels like it's exploding.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
How it is it's not flow and it's flying.

Speaker 4 (01:53:31):
How incredibly pissed off? I would be like, Wow, no.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Yeah, now I'm just pissed off, as Harry is whenever
he finds out that his hearing has been moved to
right now.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
So, yeah, I smooth, I just did.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
I did some numbers, and so the hearing has been
moved to eight a m. And Perkins says, the memo
arrived ten minutes go. And mister Weasley looks at his
watch and he goes, oh, we were meant to be
there five minutes ago. So that means the memo was

(01:54:10):
received at seven fifty five am, telling them that the
hearing was now at eight am. Is that enough time
for them to get from mister Weasley's office down to
the courtrooms. Like, I think that's even achievable.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
No, I doubt, especially not with how many times the
elevator stops. Now, Now, I think that that is just
the game of we told you before, we sent it
before the hearing.

Speaker 4 (01:54:42):
You know, and they did the bare minimum to inform them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
Well, and I get the other piece of it too,
is that they don't expect they don't expect them to
show up at all. Yeah, right, So like Arthur was
never meant to get the message.

Speaker 4 (01:55:00):
M m hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
So it doesn't really matter as long as they send
it before eight, It doesn't matter how much time it
takes to get down there, because I don't think Arthur
was never meant to, or at least maybe Harry wasn't
never meant to get it? Who was the memo.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Would because yeah, Perkins says this, this memo came for you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:18):
Yeah. Okay, so they're like they're covering their butts by
sending it, but there's no real intention to make sure
they actually get it save it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
No, it's a game. It's the game. I mean. But
but your question is, is it fit? Would you be
physically possible if they weren't playing a game to get
down there in five minutes? I mean, yes, if.

Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
If you could operate within the building, if.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Uh yeah, yeah, hmhmm yeah. I mean, but aside from
the obvious reasons of cruelty and humiliation, could moving the
hearing be a planted idea or a suggestion from Lord
Foldemore and hear me out. I'm just wondering if it's
in order to give some of his team a chance

(01:56:13):
to like walk around the dungeons and play a fool
about being lost while they're actually there trying to get
info about the prophecy, because why I'm just trying to
think of, like, why else would you need to be
down in that area if you didn't work there, and
so if some of these people, some of his moles,
are on this committee, you know, I'm thinking umbrage. Although yes,

(01:56:36):
we know she doesn't do work directly work for Lord Foldemore.
I'm just thinking it's a reason and an excuse to
be down there. Obviously, I think the answer is no,
but I wouldn't be doing my job if I didn't
bring it up.

Speaker 4 (01:56:49):
So when I read this question, my initial thought was like,
who who are we talking about? So you're thinking that
he has plants like within the actual.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Yeah, I'm sure he does.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
Because we know like when they come out, Malfoy is there.
But if he was the one looking for information on
the prophecy, they would need to be up a level
at the Department of Mysteries, would they not. So being
down by the Dungeons isn't really beneficial. Unless Malfoy was
planted there to be able to talk to one of
the inside contacts on their way out of the hearing,

(01:57:27):
It's possible. So it's boldy thinking they're going to talk
about the prophecy at the hearing or somebody's going to mention.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
It, or I mean, I'm not even convinced that Voltimore
knows about this, Like, like I said, like, I think
it's impossible, but I'm just trying to figure out again,
like are there other motivations aside from the cruelty and
the humiliation of the moment Because Umbradge is involved, Umbridge
is here, so I feel like there has to be

(01:57:54):
an ulterior motive.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
I don't think it's a planted idea, but I think
it could have been something that was taken advantage of
by Boldy because they knit the lift needs to stop
at the Department of Mysteries, so that is a plausible
reason for if there were any plants to be on

(01:58:16):
that level. You know, the lift stops there and then
oh I took the wrong turn looking for the staircase
or you know, it's like plausible deniability there. So it
could have been I don't know. I don't think it
was a plant, but it could have been.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
Well and Bode shows up, yeah, right, like.

Speaker 4 (01:58:33):
Like we happened into he happens to be there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
Well, no, he doesn't happen. He happens to be there
because he works in the department.

Speaker 4 (01:58:41):
Well yeah, yeah, like but we know that later they
they bewitchammed to try to go to get the prophecy.

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
Because that when Malfoy, which is him, is.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
That when that that is possible, that is very possible,
only only because it's it's very plausible that here is
where Malfoy puts imperious curse on Bode is the only
I guess, real credibility that I can think of for
uh the Lord Voldemort kind of plant. But I was

(01:59:14):
I was thinking more because Arthur says that these courtrooms
haven't been used in years. I think that this is
gamesmanship from Umbradge and Fudge of putting the entire Wisdom
gamont in these courtrooms that were used specifically for death eaters,
to go ahead and put them put the Wisden gamont
On like on edge at least, or at least put

(01:59:35):
them in a mindset of criminals.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
So I think it's psychological. I think it's psychological, but
not even not even a power move toward Harry. I
think it's a psychological move to try to go to
get them on, to go ahead and get them in
the in a negative headspace toward someone on trial in
these courtrooms.

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
And I guess that's for them, like they've all been
called here. And then this kid shows up late. That's
they don't know that Harry wasn't probably notified of that.
So they're just called here for this trial. They're waiting,
They've gotten up early in the morning to be here,

(02:00:22):
and then this kid shows up late like that. It's
definitely on the side of Fudge in the ministry.

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
Yeah, so it's all just psychological warfare basically.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
Yeah. Now, I mean, bod does throw a wrench into
that because we don't we do not know when he
got cursed. I don't think that we know when he
got cursed. And this is the only time that we
ever see Lucius in the vicinity of Bode. But Lucius
may not have even put boat under the imperious curse.

(02:00:58):
I cannot.

Speaker 1 (02:00:58):
I mean I bet he did.

Speaker 4 (02:01:00):
He would be the most logical person because I think
he would spend.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Oh yeah, the lexicon actually says everyone, Lucius is the
one who did it. Lucius is the one who did it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:10):
He would have the most opportunity.

Speaker 1 (02:01:13):
Mhm yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:01:15):
Mmmm.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
Well we all know what happens next as Harry goes
into the room, and to listen to our discussion on that,
just go back a couple episodes.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
It is Malfoy that puts the imperious course on bod Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (02:01:34):
This is the fun this Yeah, that was a that's
there's a good chapter. Lots of incredible world building, lots
of you know, if you have listened to Full Circle,
I'm sorry, I just have to do it, you will
know that Order the Phoenix is the book that we
really struggled with coming up with circles. But some of

(02:01:57):
them are very strong and very clear. Like Bode being
here is a big one. Us being down in the
you know, near the Department of Mysteries is a big one,
you know, sort of the bigger themes really show up
a lot later. A lot of the smaller stuff in
this book not so much, not so much.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
But I think that's a direct I think that's in
direct correlation to Ordered could have used more editing, and
I think that if it got more editing, the circles
would have been more prevalent. Yeah. Sure, I think that
there's so much in there it's hard to it's hard
to fit it, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:02:34):
I think there's a there are a lot of like
setups in this chapter, and like I've kind of listed
a few things that a lot of things are just
throwaway comments, you know, like the Rufus scrimmer or you know,
finding out where the visitor's entrance for the Ministry of

(02:02:55):
Magic is. Like we don't know now that that's going
to be important, you know, but it is important to know.
Like Harry needs to know what phone number to put
into that dial because otherwise how they're going to get
to the Ministry of Magic, they would he would not
have been able to do that, you know, he needs
to know where it is. There's the Sint Mungo's name

(02:03:18):
drop in there, which is just like a one liner
that it's where the donations go from the Fountain of
Magical Brethren, you know, So like that's something that you
just glaze over, but then it gets brought up later
in the book. So like there's so many things that
the quibble is mentioned as well, you know, and the

(02:03:40):
regurgitating toilets, which we've spoken about at length that you know,
it turns out, you know, he he got off for
whatever reason. So there's all these little tiny details that
are sprinkled into this chapter that right now, like when
you're reading it for the first time, you don't realize

(02:04:02):
you don't know that it's going to be important, you know.
And I guess there's probably like a million other little
details in this chapter that don't come up again, but
these are I guess they're kind of like little easter
eggs for when you're rereading it or when you are
reading through and then you're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense,

(02:04:23):
I saw this then or for whatever reason. Yeah, I
think this chapter is just so full of lots of
little little tiny details like that, like blink and you'll
miss them, but yeah, become important.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
Yeah, the Ring chapter is for this. So the way
that Rowan and I did it was the chapter six
and seven went together. So the noble and most ancient
ancient House are black. Plus the Ministry of Magic goes
with chapter thirty two and thirty three, which is out
of the Fire and Fight and Flate. So yeah, as

(02:04:57):
you mentioned, a lot of those things do go hand
in hand just because of the Ring camp of it all.
I feel like, if I remember correctly, and I typically do,
when it comes to full circle, at least the outer edges,
the outer chapters fit much better than the middle ones,
so that makes sense. But well, I think this is

(02:05:19):
the place to leave it for today. Friends, Tracy, thank
you so much for coming back to join us again.
It was awesome to have you.

Speaker 3 (02:05:27):
Thank you. It's been very much, very fun morning for me,
so thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (02:05:33):
Good. Can our listeners find you anywhere online? Are you
interested in sharing?

Speaker 3 (02:05:39):
I mean, nothing really Harry Potter related on the gotcha?
But I do have that. I have a candle business
I only sell with in Australia. It's called Leaf Candle Coat.
I upcycle tin cans into really cute little candles. So
that's cool. Cool, you know, give me a foo, give

(02:06:00):
me a shout out. But yeah, sorry, nothing Harry related.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
That's okay, it doesn't have to be.

Speaker 3 (02:06:07):
So that is Leaf candle coo on all the things.

Speaker 1 (02:06:11):
Yeah, good, good on you for upcycling perhaps awesome.

Speaker 4 (02:06:15):
Well, the next time we gather, we will be discussing
chapter thirty of Half but Prince the White Tomb.

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A p W B d LLC. Like, what department is this?

Speaker 1 (02:07:43):
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Speaker 4 (02:07:44):
Oh, that's right, he has an ORR.

Speaker 3 (02:07:45):
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Speaker 4 (02:07:46):
That was a really wow. Please cut that out. Whoever's
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Listen, babe, we all have brain farts. It's okay.

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