OOTP, 9 Revisit: Sympathy for Boggarts

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
This is episode four hundred and fifty seven of Aloha
Mora for June twenty first, twenty and twenty five. Hello everyone,

(00:39):
and welcome to another episode of Aloha Mora, the fandom's
original Harry Potter book Club.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I'm Kat Miller, I'm Tracy Duncan, and I'm Shamani Willis,
and today we have a fabulous guest. I'd like to
introduce Melissa. Hello Melissa.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Hi, Hi guys. Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Thanks, thank you so much for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Well, do you want to tell us a little bit
about yourself, you know, your Hogwarts history, your Harry Potter journey,
all that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yes, So my journey actually started way later in life.
I'm talking thirty six years old is when I became
a Harry Potter fan. So it started with my kids.
They wanted the Harry Potter movies, like the whole DVD
set for Christmas, and so this was in twenty sixteen.

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So yeah, we got the DVD set and as a family,
the four of us, we watched all the movies together
for the first time, and I fell in love, fell
in love, and after that I got all the books,
read the books, and yeah, it's just it's no looking back.
Since then, I just absolutely love Harry Potter, especially when
I started reading the books. I have generalized anxiety disorder,

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and so when I started reading the books, I was
going through a really tough time with my anxiety and
the series, like it honestly saved me, Like it got
me through so many like bad and dark times. And yeah,
I owe Harry Potter my life, to be quite honest. So, yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Are not alone in that, for sure. That is a
u not to trivialize that, but that is those those
are words we hear a lot. Yeah, for very very
different reasons. Yes, that's great, and it's so nice. You
got to share that with your kids from it.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
It was awesome. Yeah, it was so special, like all
of us, Yeah, watching it together. And now I must say,
like they're not all as hardcore fans as I am.
They love it, they love it, but they're like, yeah,
mom's a little she's a little obsessed. But I'm like you, guys, really,
I mean, they love it, but yeah, just not on

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the level as me. So but it's funny because we
are all all four of us are each in a
different Hogwarts house. We're in all four houses.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
So I'm the good That was gonna be my next question.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, I'm the Hufflepuff Diego. My husband is the raven Claw,
my son is the Slytherin, and my daughter is the
Gryffin door. So amazing.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah, that's great that that is like the ultimate power
family when you have one from every house.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's so fun. It's really really fun and like everyone's
personal It's just like I already before they even took
the test, like I already knew. I'm like, oh, myus
is totally a raven Claw, Like he just has like
all of the qualities, the traits, and yeah, same with
my kids. I was like, oh, yeah, Gale's definitely a Slytherin,
Avea's definitely a Gryffindor.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
I love it. Well, good on you for like like
surrounding yourself with such different personalities. Yeah, purposely or otherwise, right,
I love that. Do you have a favorite book before
we move on?

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yes, Half Blood Prince, hands down, Half Blood Prince. I
there's just so many different things, you know, areas of
that book that I just love, especially all of like
the lore with like the Gaunts and just yeah, Tom
and Seeking all the Horrecruxes and just yeah, I love it,
and then of course Harry and Ginny's love story unfolding,

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like yeah, so many good things about that book.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
So today we're talking about Order the Phoenix, chapter nine,
the Worlds of Missus Weasley's, which is one of my
favorite chapters. We originally talked about this in May twenty
fourteen and the episode was episode eighty six, Not the
Neighbor with host Caleb kat Noah and guest Suit which.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I'm sure that I'm sure that title will make sense
once we get through it.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, okay, not the Neighbor.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I'm interested. Now, what's not the Neighbor's interesting?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
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Speaker 1 (05:27):
Thank you Medicine. All right, well, let's jump on into
the Woes of Missus Weasley. Three turns Should do It?

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Chapter revisit laud Phoenix.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Chapter nine, The Woes of Missus Weasley. Minutes after Harry
is cleared of all charges from the Bogus Dementor attack,
he leaves the courtroom and meets up with Arthur, who
takes him home to share the good news with the fam,
but not before they run into Lucia's Mouthfoy being a sneaky,

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sneaky snake. Everyone is elated Harry was cleared, except Serious,
who I guess has his own reasons for being a
bit of a party pooper. Ron and Hermione are named
the new Prefects, so naturally, Molly throws a party for them.
Everyone shows up, including the original Order of the Phoenix.
By way of a photograph, the Boggart in the writing desk,
of which we still do not know what they look

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like in their natural form, has an eventful evening when
Molly goes to try and banish the beast, only to
be bested by it. It said, it's a fun one
and this was a long chapter. Almost an hour on
the audiobook.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yeah, yeah, I listened to it yesterday. I was like,
let me touch up on this chapter. So I listened
to it. I was like, oh, this is a pretty
long chapter, so a good one.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
And a lot and a lot happens here, a lot
more than I remember.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Yeah. Can we just say, and especially when it comes
to a lot is Harry's emotion throughout this chapter go
from anxious to elated, too sad to I mean, he
just experiences so many different emotions, and I'm like, this
poor boy is just like it's like a rollercoaster of

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emotions for him throughout this chapter.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Like, yeah, yeah, it definitely runs the gamut and it
changes very quickly. I feel like that is the mood
of this book.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yes, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
Harry turns on a dime and we kick off right
here too. So Harry leaves the courtroom and meets Arthur
and the first thing Arthur said was like he wants
to know what happened. He says, well, Dumbledore didn't say anything.
And that really gave me pause this time, because I
was thinking about, what's Dumbledore pretending not to know Arthur

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just in case someone saw them together, because he's not
Lucius Malfoy, He's not going to you know, flaunt his
connections and things. Or is he just continuing to practice
that aloof Dumbledore that he's been all year or something else.
I don't know what do you all think?

Speaker 3 (08:08):
I think that's a good point, and I kind of
think it's a little bit of both, Like he was just, yeah,
trying to be pretend like he wasn't on a friendly
level with Arthur, but yeah, also just being Dumbledore and
you know his ways.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yeah, yeah, I think he's just trying to keep his
distance from anything that's like closely a way to Harry.
He's just like, I'm just gonna keep my distance to
do my thing.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
But do you think the sole reason for that is
the Voldemort thing? Like the Voldemort connection and he's all
worried about that. I mean, we've talked about that so
many times. That is just so it's such a thin reason.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Yeah, to do this it is.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
I mean it could also be that he was on
his way to handle something else, so maybe his mind
was elsewhere. Maybe he didn't see Arthur, true was just busy.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
What do you think he's starting I feel guilty a
little bit about his whole plan behind everyone's back. It's
about what he really wants Harry for.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
No, No, I don't think he had guilt about that
at all. I think yeah, he he just he knew
it had to be done and he couldn't let the
guilt get to him. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, I'm not even sure guilt is an emotion that
registers on Dumbledore's are.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
I don't think so either.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Tell me more, why do you think he's not doesn't
feel guilt?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
I'm kid well, I mean he obviously does, because we
see him talk about his family previously. I just think
he in this moment, yeah, maybe, particularly he has very
one tracked mind and he's solely focused on the goal.
I mean, Snape even accuses him of using Harry like
a pig for slaughter. And if Snape is like bro, wow.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah exactly, that's for a Snape to come out and
say that, It's like Okay, now you know you did
something wrong. If Snape's calling you out on that, you know, yeah, yeah,
that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Does that? Does that make you feel better about my statement? Tracy?

Speaker 4 (10:07):
I don't know if I fully agree, but it does
make it feel better.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Okay, Well tell me why. You tell me why you
don't agree.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I just feel like he can feel guilty and still
do still do what he wants to do, and still
keep a distance and still use them as a pictum slaughter.
But you could still feel guilty about it or feel
bad about it.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
The thing for me is that guilt is a self
inflicted emotion. Mh you nobody. You can't feel guilt without
somebody else projecting that onto you? And who is projecting
that onto Dumbledore? We don't need to belabor the point,
but I just I just, you know, yeah, I want

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something to think about because in this book in particular.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, but this is yeah, yeah, I don't want to
believe the point. But what I don't want to believe
the point there, But we can talk about it offline.
I'm curious. I have more thoughts.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Well, no, no, no, no, Now you have to say them.
You can't tease the listeners like that.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Why does Gil have to have somebody to make you
feel like? Why does it have to be an outside
person making you feel guilty?

Speaker 3 (11:13):
Like?

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Can you feel guilt without having someone directed at you?
Like you were saying, like, I feel guilty all the time,
And it doesn't necessarily mean not all the time, not
a lot. I don't think I need a lot of
like much of a push from anybody. I just you
just feel bad sometimes.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I don't know if that would be guilt though fair,
But I mean I hear what you're saying. I don't
know something to think about.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Yeah, I think maybe Dumbledore experienced a lot of maybe
not guilt, but maybe like resentment maybe. I think especially
in the King's Cross scene and Deathly Hollows. When I
mean that conversation between him and Harry, I mean, everything
just came out. All the things he probably wanted to
say over the years finally came out in that conversation,

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and I think he I think in that moment he
felt bad for the way, you know, he left Harry
in the dark for you know, about so many things.
But I don't know if that was necessarily guilt. Maybe
he just felt I don't know it's it's yeah, it's
a tough one because guilt is Yeah, I don't know
if it was guilt, but I think it was something else.

(12:20):
But we know Dumbledore like obviously feels and he cared,
but it was just he handled it in a different
way than most people would. I think, yeah, badly.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
I think everyone would agree with you on that for sure.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
So Arthur and Harry are standing in the hallway and
they start leaving, and then they see Lucius talking to
Cornelius Fudge, the Minister of Magic. And I needed to
call this out because this is a banger who started
calling Harry Patronis Potter because like, adapt it, use it
as your own, put it on a T shirt like

(12:55):
that is an incredible nickname.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
It was.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, Harry could use that for his personal brand. I'm
just saying, Yes, they're.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
All sitting around their secret death Theater meet and somebody
just says it.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, that will be the worst thing we could possibly
call him.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
But it's not even a bad thing. It's a good
thing he could do.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
That's why it's funny that was what you came up with.
Although if you think of it from a death theater point,
of view, Like the author has said that death theaters
would never need a patronis because they'd see no point.
So maybe to them it's like the ultimate slight, But
us as readers were like, that's really cool. But to me,
it just proves that they like alliteration because Patrona's pot

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you know, yeah, agreed, Yes, that's Lucia's Malfoy for you.
I guess maybe he didn't come up with a nickname.
Maybe that was like maybe that's what Peter Pettigrew calls him,
or maybe Yeah, wouldn't that be amazing if Lord Voldemore
was like that.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Just him saying that to himself.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, yeah, it came a dream one night.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
So funny.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Oh that's great. I mean, but the sheer audacity of
Lucius to even be there is something else, like, sir,
don't you have somewhere to be? Don't you have something
productive to do? Like why are you just the ministry
right trying to pay people.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
Wrong, not to like throw shade, but to throw shade
a little bit. He's like a rich white guy, Like
what else? What else is there to do other than
intimidate school governors and like throw hagrid in jail and
toss his money around at the Ministry of Magic.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Literally has something better to do with his time.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
So ram an eleven year old girl with Voldemor's old diary,
like just wow.

Speaker 4 (14:55):
We have the same discussion, similar discussion in the previous episode.
It's like, don't you have anything like a hobby friend,
you have your wife, like, go do something else?

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Like, well, was it the Death Theater knitting club? We
decided it they should start a knitting clubs be productive
with your hands.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Something over a fourteen year old boy or a fifteen
year old boy.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Non seguitar, but related. The first time that I saw
Lord of the Rings, I was it? That was it?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
No?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I think it was? Was it the battle at Meaness Terrace?
I think so? Regardless, there's a huge field of orcs right,
and my friend and I were like, what are the
ones way in the back doing? Because they're not going
to get to the gate for like an hour? So
are they like playing? Are they like jousting with each
other practicing like.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
They're hyping each other up? They're getting ready?

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I mean maybe, but you can only stand there and
like like pound the ground with your mace or whatever,
and stomp your feet for so long before you're like,
isn't my time to fight yet?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Like you're tired before you even get there.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
The batties need hobbies, and I feel like they don't
have them.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Like, yeah, maybe if they had, they wouldn't be so bad.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Like exc yourself.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I mean, this is just another example, though, of something
in fiction that could totally be translated to the weird world, like, hey, person,
espousing things all over the place. You're rich, go do
something else. Yeah, pay attention to yourself, right, deal with
your own life.

Speaker 4 (16:29):
Maybe build a library in set of space.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Mind your business, yeah yeah, be nice.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
Let them colonize Mars. I'm cool with that. You all
can go there and we'll stay here and fix this planet.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Thank you, Yeah bye, have a good.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Time, seel it. So in this conversation, Lucius says this
quote quite astonishing, the way you continue to wriggle out
of very tight holes. Snakelike in fact, and snakelike is
in italics. And we know that that typically happens in
the books when we're trying to call out something. What

(17:03):
is this calling out? So yeah, that was my thought too,
I went, hmm, wasn't in italics?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
So The first thing I thought was, like, it's like
Lucius knows that Harry knows that he knows. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but I said that, right, I think so that Baltimore
is back, and that Lucio's Lucius. What in the world
Lucius was a death eater who knows that Harry wouldn't
necessarily like, well, probably wouldn't call that out in public.

(17:33):
And he's letting Harry know he knows, but he knows
that he's seen Boldie and that he's told people, but
nobody believes him. So is the snake thing kind of
like a callback to Boldie's.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
Back to Voldemort?

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I think be back.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
I don't know why that. Okay, it's gonna be a
weird day.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
I love. Maybe he's just so still salty that he
got out of the graveyard in Gallet of Fire.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Oh yeah, I think yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
I think that was only like a couple of weeks ago, right,
I mean, has Harry had his birthday yet?

Speaker 3 (18:16):
No? I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Was it Yes? I think he did, or he came
to Yes.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
I think he already had his birthday.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Okay, so this is August sometimes.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, because they're they're just about a couple of weeks
out from going back to school.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Yeah, right, in that chapter, Molly, they get their book.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
So that's right, they get their letters, right, Yeah. And
Hogwarts usually, I mean Dumbledore was Dumbledore died on June thirtieth,
so we know Hogwarts goes late in the year, so
their summer is really so it's been like maybe four
to six weeks son Cedric died and that stuff happened
in the graveyard. You're probably right, that's probably what he's
alluding to. Snake, Like though, I don't know. I just

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thought it was I just thought it was interesting.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
But I love that, like Harry was just like yeah,
like his sass comes through very well, and he's just
like yep, I know.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, hmm. I don't know. I'm still stuck on Snakelike
it's like, I know, we as readers associate Voldemort with snakes.
Is it just the Slytherin thing?

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh? I wonder if he's likering Harry Harry's slickness, you Baltimore,
and maybe he's like throwing a little bit of shade
his way that he's like the Dark Lord more than
he thinks he is. I don't know, I'm reaching. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Well, maybe it's a good one to throw the listeners.
What do you all think? What does that snake like?
What is that referring to? Because we don't get it.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
I'm curious to see what everybody's because I'm sure everyone's
gonna have like a different opinion or thought about that.
But yeah, so we'll see.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
So Fudge and Lucius leave because Harry is like, what
are you? Why are you here? What are you doing?
And Harry questions it to Arthur, why wasn't he waiting
outside Fudge's office if they've got business to do together?
What was he doing down here? And Arthur replies, trying
to sneak down to the courtroom. If you ask me,
is Arthur is that honestly what he thinks? Or is

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he being like aloof and a little secretive because he
knows that maybe they're going to try to get to
the prophecy and that's what Lucius was really down there for.
But because of the conversation. Wait did that conversation happen yet? Yeah,
they've had that conversation about what Harry should and shouldn't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
I was wondering what you meant by lying, but because
of the prophecy I forgot. Yeah, that's that's a good point.
I think it's more.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
That, Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
My original thought was that he honestly thought that, But
now that you say it that way, maybe it's a
little bit of both. Maybe maybe Lucius is kind of
scoping out the area, and since Arthur does like guard
duty or whatever, he's kind of got his eyes on
whoever has been in that area. So maybe it's a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Of both, right, that could be. I think Arthur's pretty honest,
so I don't think he's outright lying to Harry. But
I think he also no, like you just said, Johnny,
like knows and suspects that Lucius is there, Yeah, for
nefarious reasons as well as well.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Yeah, like he wants to be nosy and see what
happened with the court, you know. But yeah, he's also
there to to scope out. So I think it's probably
a little bit of both too.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
For sure. I mean, because it is a really weird
place for Lucius Malfoy to show up, Right, even if
Fudge wasn't there, you'd be like, yeah, why.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Are you here? Just wandering? Like what are you doing? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Well, especially if Fudge wasn't there, be like why are
you down here? You know?

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah? Yeah, and how can you just wander around the
Ministry of Magic like that? Again, I know he's like
a rich white guy with influence.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
But right, but still, yeah, it'd.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Be like if we were able to walk into the
White House or like the Pentagon or something and just
be like, what's up up?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I mean, I mean just checking.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
It out, just check it out the place.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Yeah, Well, I wonder if it's like, because this is
the courtroom area, so I wonder if it's like once
you go through security, if anybody can just go into
a courtroom and watch though I mean we know they're
not allowed inside of the courtroom, but I wonder if
like anybody can be in that area like press or
visitors or what have you. So maybe it's not so

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odd that he was down because because Arthur was down there,
after all, I mean, he works there.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
But yeah, he was Harry's escort too, that's true. Yeah,
maybe that's yeah, maybe that's and he does work there,
so it's less suspicious. I guess to me that he
would be there if someone random came through. But I
hear you, I mean I feel like probably in a
district courtroom. If it wasn't like a high profile murder
case or something, you could probably walk into a courtroom
and sit and watch or listen or you know, traffic

(22:58):
court or something. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
Can I just ad Jerry, dude? You can stay outside,
but they definitely won't let you in unless you're different things,
because even if it's not a meurura trial, they wouldn't
let like some of the witnesses sit in the courtroom either.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Wow, so you got called You actually got to serve.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
So jealous.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
That's so exciting. I really want to serve some day.

Speaker 4 (23:17):
It was actually really well, fun is strong word, but
it was really interesting. I really liked this.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, that's what my mother had said. She served twice
and she said it was really interesting both both times.
Without going into details and without derailing us. Give us
like one sentence. What kind of case was it?

Speaker 4 (23:32):
It was a civil case against someone got said he
got hit by a car. He was on the motorcycle
and he was blaming the car for hitting him, and
we did not believe him.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
It was intrigue.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
It was like watching a TV show. It was pretty awesome.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
It sounds like it was indeed fun.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
I mean, I feel bad but for the kid, but yes,
it was.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
It was fun.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
It was fair. Okay, well, great, you can tell us
about it. You can tell us about it later. So
Harry and Arthur continue to talk about the like why
is Lucius Malfoy there and shaminy?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
And this is where Harry wonders, how would they know
if Fudge had been under the imperious cars or not?
And I was thinking to myself, you know, that's a
really good point, and it almost would have been better
if we had been, because that would have been at
least a reasonable explanation for his stupid behavior.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Right exactly, No, exactly, but.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Sadly you know this is not the case. But I mean,
that is that's a really good question because when we
come up in Deathly Hallows, the minister is imperious and
you know, nobody knows, so that could be the case here.
So how how would they know, Like, there's no way
to tell, right.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
I don't think so, I mean unless they're doing something
that is just like way out there was like okay,
this person would never do something like that. Other than that,
I don't I mean, how would you even yeah, how
would you tell if they were imperious or not.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, the only time we spend any time with someone
who is under the imperious curse is that gring Gods,
right when they break into Gringods and and was it Traverse. Yes,
has A has like a blank look round his face.
I feel like that's really the only indication that somebody

(25:25):
would be acting under that. I agree that it would
be better, but it's much more realistic that he's not.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
But is just yeah, one of those yeah, one of those.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Say bless your heart character.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Really, it's like you almost in Prisoner of Azkaban. You
kind of like him because you think, oh, he's really
watching out for Harry, you know, he's trying to protect
him against serious and then all of a sudden he
just completely flips the script and Goblet of Fire and
she's like, whoa, Like what happened to all the support
you were giving him the previous year? You know, just

(26:07):
oh god. Yeah, he's very easily, very hateable character. For sure.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Yeah, he's he's on that list of interesting, but also
I'm not really interested in talking about you list for me,
like Snape super interesting. I love talking about you, but
you're just kind of a that's fair crappy politician who
you know, which is why it does this thing.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
But yeah, that's why it's weird that Hermione is the
Ministry of Magic.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
But anyway, I mean she's not and Allison's not here
to defend Kirschild, so we can say that, Yes.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
That's why I like you, k you, but you're wrong
about kirs Child anyway.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Going on, I mean, even in the new ride at
Epic Universe, Kingsley is the Minister of Magic.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Much better, so much much.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, just saying I know Chris Child's in the future whatever. Anyway,
that's nothing there. So they leave, they leave the Ministry
and they get back to the house and everybody is
so happy. Everybody's elated. As I said that, Harry got off,
and and and Ron says, well, of course, once Dumbledore

(27:23):
turned up on your side, there was no way where
they were going to convict you. And Harry sort of
says like, yeah, he swung it from me. I wish
he'd talked to me though, or even looked at me.
And then the book says, as he thought this, the
scar on his forehead burned so badly he clapped his
hand to it and Hermione, He's like, what's up, and
he's like, oh, it's just a scar. It happens all
the time now. But we know at this point that

(27:45):
Boltemore has not figured out that he can use Harry
to look at right, it's too early, and so we
have to assume that this is a connection more similar
to what we see and hello's where Boltimore is feeling
extreme emotion. What do we think is happening right now?

(28:09):
That made that happen? Is like Lucious reporting back to him, like.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
I was just like, say, I think that's what happened.
He found out that Harry got off and that pissed
him off.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
I mean, I get that, But why it's such hmmm.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Well, because yeah, no, I get what you're saying, because
Harry Scarr usually only hers when Baltimore is feeling a
particularly strong emotion. So would he really get that mad
just because Harry got off.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I don't know, Harry didn't get expelled from well, I
mean yeah, so, I mean I suppose it could be that,
because if Harry is expelled from Hogwarts, he's not with
Dumbledore twenty four to seven. Maybe, But also this was
a like thinly veiled scheme by Umbridge, who is not
a dead theater, who is not directly working for Lord Ultemore.

(29:02):
So I don't know. It just seemed like such an
odd call out.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Maybe he got additional bad news on top of Harry
not being expelled, Maybe somebody else did something.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Maybe, But between possible that.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
And the snake like, I feel there's something that the
author's trying to say, but I'm not sure what it is.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, I know, well, let's keep going. Maybe maybe we'll
figure it out by the end.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Here.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
So, as I said, they're all celebrating, and Hermione immediately
sort of realizes that Sirius is like, yay, great, you
got off, and then he turns to just this yeah,
kind of sullen whatever, because Hermione says, well, I think
he secretly wanted you to get expelled because then you
could come and live with him here and he wouldn't
be alone all the time. And is Hermione's measure of

(29:50):
serious mood accurate? You all know, Melissa may not know this.
I am not the biggest serious black fan, so this
wouldn't surprise me if Hermione was right.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I agree, and I mean, I love serious, but I
agree with Hermione. I think she was spot on. Yep,
I think she was spot on, absolutely Yeah, And he'd
probably started making plans for them in his head. Oh,
Harry's going to live with me.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
We're gonna be outcasts together. We're gonna do this. And
they kind of burst his bubble when when they locked
in the door. Yeah, like a child, Yeah, kind of
there was a little mini chimp or tantrum he does. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
I don't know if I completely agree. I feel like
I would hope you wouldn't want Harry expelled because you
know how much Hogwarts means to him and how much
Hogwarts meant to him when.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
He was growing up.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
But I think he's just said that he's alone again.
It's like, I think it nicely mirrors later on when
Harry feels like happy for Ron but also feeling a
little bit like maybe I should have gotten it. Like
I think it's just like a complicated mixed emotion more
than him being like, oh, yeah, Harry's gonna come stay
with me and we're gonna not graduate together.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
I don't know, but you do think he's sad about,
as you just said, quote being alone again. Yes, for sure,
So wouldn't that mean that any part of him probably
wanted that to happen. I mean, you said you didn't
completely disagree. I'm not trying to call you out. I'm sorry.
We can move on.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
You can have a tiny bit and still not really
want it or not really believe it, like I guess it,
like with Harry later on.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Yeah, No, it's true. And Hermion he points out to
She's like, it's the headquarters of the Order. There's going
to be plenty of people here. He shouldn't have got
his hopes up. Yeah, you know, bla blah.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah. So but in his head he's probably probably like,
it's not the same, like yeah, Harry, my godson, you know,
not just Order members in and out. It would have
been like he's actually here twenty four to seven with me,
So he probably had got all those ideas in his head,
got his hopes up just a little bit.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
It would have been their little home like the one
that Saraus talked about at the end of Prisoner Yeah,
where he was like, you you want to come live
with me, and her was like, yeah, I do, let.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Me have it. I know his town with James too
plain ol mm.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Hmmm, yep, you're not wrong there, She's not even that
much anyway.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
No, he's not. You're right, he is not. In so
many ways he's not. But yeah, maybe that's another podcast.
Oh boy, I don't know it's the next day or
a couple of days. I think it's a couple of
days later, you know. Harry notes that like serious again,
wasn't super wasn't super excited about things, And Mollie is

(32:31):
like having everybody clean and pick up the house. And
she's like, oh, you were so keen to help the order.
You can help by making you know, you're making headquarters
headquarters fit to live in, she says, and Ron Gromba's
I feel like our house helf and Hermione is like, yes,
let's do a sponsor. It's like she jumps right into it.

(32:53):
And I so feel that, I so feel that. It's
so it's I mean, I do that. So yeah, no
shade to Hermione.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
I mean. And I was thinking when Ron said that,
or when Hermione said that to Ron, I think there
might be a difference here though, because I think maybe
house selves might like their duties like I, especially if
they're in a good place like Hogwarts. Yes, and they're
being treated. Well, I think they might enjoy what they do.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
So yeah, I agree, I think so. And Ron's agree
with that.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Your typical teenage boy, when you ask them to clean something,
they act like it's the end of the world and
they're going to die and there's drama.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, you have no experience with that at all.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
No ever happens at my house.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Yeah yeah, well same same here, Sabini of fourteen. My
daughter's fourteen son is nineteen. So to get them to
clean the room, yeah, it's like the world is coming
to an a.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean I won't go into my
l f rant, but I would join speak and I'd
be with Hermione, and I hear you about that. You know,
if they're at a great place like Hogwarts, they probably
quote unquote enjoy Yeah. But you know, I work at
a place where there are a lot of custodians and

(34:15):
some of them are happy with their work. But would
they rather be doing something else? Sure of course, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, so well, and now that you say that, now
it kind of makes me think, are they happy because
they don't know anything else like this?

Speaker 3 (34:27):
That's all they know, so like they have nothing to
compare it to and that's what Hermione brings up. She's like,
they don't know what they're missing out on because they've
never you know, received wages, they've never had days off,
so they don't know what they're what they're missing, essentially.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
So indoctrinated a history of endendured servitude.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Yeah, in a way, That's why I said, like some
layers so little time, because I'm like, also, like Kat,
I won't go into like a historical contact rant. But
I also join spew because.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
Just yay, I would like couch energy but.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Totally fine, Yeah, I love all the magical creatures and
of course he wants them to be treated fairly, so
I would I would join too, definitely.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Sorry not spew sp although you know in the audiobook
when so I listened to the Jim Dale ones when
when Hermione is saying spew, he reads it spewed, which
I think is really funny because I feel like Carmione
would be like, no, she likes.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
So.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Anyway, they're cleaning and Harry says Harry swept the last
of the droppings, the owl droppings, into a rubbish bag
and threw the bag over Ron's head into the waste
paper basket in the corner, which swallowed it and belched loudly.
And we love having this discussion on this show. Is
the trash just gone?

Speaker 5 (35:53):
It?

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Did it vanish into everything? Which is to say, like
into non being, which is to say everything, Like, is
there just peered trash now floating throughout the room?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
What is going on?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I never really paid attention to the council Right now,
I think about the trash can.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
The amount of times we have talked about things that
have vanished and where they go on this podcast.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Why exactly? Maybe there's just like a black hole is
just for trash. Yeah, what do you guys think?

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Where does it go into everything? Which is to say
non being?

Speaker 2 (36:29):
I think it's around you in tiny, tiny particles and
you just you can't see it. You don't know what's there,
Like you know it's there, but maybe they just ignore
that it's there.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Mmm.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Because and I think I brought this up before, and
I'm going to say this incorrectly now because I read
the article a long time ago. But we can't make
new stuff right. Whatever we have we have, the earth
will always weigh the same like not the people, but
the earth itself will always weigh the same. So I

(37:03):
do think it makes the most sense that the stuff
is just particleized because it can't disappear, because if it disappeared,
the Earth would weigh less, true, and the Earth can't
ever weigh less. Yeah yeah, so I think McGonagall hit
the nail on the head with her raven claw the
answer to the raven claw door.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Oh yeah, I love her answer for that.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah yeah, so now we are forever going to think
about trash.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Over Okay, but then why couldn't they just for just
that one aspect of the whole wizarding, you know, their abilities?
Why couldn't just for that one little thing they just
take out trash like a muggle, just like put it
in a trash buy and go throw it out, Like
you're that lazy. You can't just go take out trash
like you have to make it disappear. I don't know,

(37:47):
like that's just weird to me. I would have just
it's like, are you too above like literally like tying
a bag and just go on a dumpster?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Absolutely, I understand that, And that begs the question which
one is better for the planet. I mean, maybe it
doesn't beg the question, but it makes me think of question,
which one is better for the planet. Is composting as
a muggle turning it back into soil better, or is
vanishing it into the non being as a wizard better?

(38:20):
What's better? Maybe which one produces less methane?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Maybe that's why they do it. Maybe that's why they
do it.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
But then we also wond are secret environmentalists, you.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Know, maybe like I know we've wondered before. Does the
nothingness ever get full? Is it just like enlists nothingness? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (38:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
I mean, if they are reducing it to atoms, I
don't think it ever does get And where does the
nothingness end?

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Does it go? Is it all around? Is there?

Speaker 1 (38:51):
How high does it go? Did Katie Perry exit the
nothingness when she quotes quote went into space? Or was
she still in the nothingness? Oh my gosh, you know
how highes it go? So let's move on from Katy
Perry and talk a little bit about the prefect badge
that arrives in the letters for both Hermione and Ron.

(39:13):
This is kind of it's it's a big, I don't
want to say, point of contention, but it definitely brings
up a lot of emotions, a range of emotions for
pretty much everybody in the house.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
It's very like it's it's I can't help but feel
bad for Ron because this is a moment where he's
really excited to have gotten something. And then for Fred
and George to say that they expected it to be Harry,
like right in front of his face. Was that had
to be a blow? And then to add insult to

(39:46):
injury And then here comes Hermione. Her reaction is even worse,
and she has the audacity to say, are you sure,
like Hermione?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Wow, like Hermione, really you had to go and say that,
like add to it, like wow, oh my god, poor Ron,
Like I, yeah, I felt really bad for Ron in
that moment, like no support from his own brothers, you know.
And then Hermione's like second guessing, like really sure, like wow, yeah,

(40:15):
but imagine how he is, you know, feeling in that moment.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
So yeah, well, and then Molly comes and then Molly
comes in and she's like distracted and she finds out
Ron's a prefect. She's like, I don't believe it. I
don't believe it. Oh Ron, how wonderful a prefect? That's
everyone in the family.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
But then she's like but then she's also she's throwing
shade at Fred and George because you know, they weren't prefects,
and it's just it's a it's a weird moment, but
I'm I'm genuinely I'm happy for Ron and he gets
something for himself and he gets a new broom, and hey,
Ron and everybody else is just like the reactions definitely

(40:57):
could have been better.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Oh yeah, I have no shade to Griffin darts, but
I feel like this is just a moment of like
maybe there had been more Hufflepuffs in the family, they'd
be a little bit more people.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Feel because my yeah, I would not have I wouldn't
have responded the way Molly did. I wouldn't have say
I don't believe it, Like I would never say that
to one of my kids, like, oh.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
My gosh, you're smart, proved us wrong way to go.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
Thanks for proving us wrong, honey. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
I do love how happy once she gets over that.
I like how happy she is though she keeps kissing
him and like, yeah, it's just nice.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, yeah, I know we crap on Molly a lot,
well not a lot, but not infrequently on this show.
And yes, she she does she does show genuine love
and emotions.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
She does.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
For for Ron in this moment, well, she she They
talk about a gift and Ron's like, oh, I want
a broomstick. And eventually he leaves the room to tell
Molly the specific model that he wants, and so Harry
is left sort of by himself, and the narration says,
Harry screwed up his face and buried it in his hands.
He could not lie to himself. If he had known
the prefect Badge was on its way, he would have

(42:14):
expected it to come to him, not Ron. Did this
make him as arrogant as Draco Malfoy? Did he think
himself superior to everyone else? Did he really believe he
was better than Ron? And it's nice to see Harry
having some introspection for a change, because I feel like
he doesn't do that ever. And to Tracy's point, there

(42:35):
was not a lot of empathy or understanding or like
real kindness in that room aimed at Ron. Yeah, for
a long time from everybody, I mean, first to Twins
and then Hermione, and then Mollie and then of course
Harry thinking this to himself.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
At least Harry had the courtesy to keep it to himself.
I will give him that, Like, at least he didn't
say something to him out loud. And I think we've
all probably been in that situation. I mean, I know
that I have where a friend gets something that you
think that you deserved more, and you're kind of like,
you're happy for your friend, but at the same time,

(43:12):
you're kind of like, well, why wasn't it me, Like
my qualifications are better, you know.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Why, which is a completely natural response.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
I think you know that that internal conflict. Yeah, but
it is nice to see Harry kind of trying to
reason that's out within himself. But he didn't immediately lash
out at ron or something like, because we know his
emotions are pretty unstable throughout this entire book, So it
was nice that he didn't immediately lash out.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
That's one of the good things about this book. I
feel like, and this going forward, I feel like Harry
becomes more much more empathetic and introspective going forward.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
So, I mean that's why a lot of people struggle
with this book. I think, because Harry is going through
He's going through the change so quickly like this this
is you know, Harry growing up sort of realizing, Oh,
maybe it's not always always about me, right, you know,
I mean it is for the most part, always about Harry.

(44:13):
But you get you all get what I'm saying. You
get what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Well, his inner monologue continues, and he says, maybe Dumbledore
doesn't choose Prefects because they've got something, because they've got
themselves into a load of dangerous situations. Maybe he chooses
them for other reasons. Ron must have something you don't.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
What is that? What do you think?

Speaker 1 (44:35):
I think Harry's right.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I've thought about this. I'm contemplated for a while, and
I think it just comes down to the confidence factor.
I think maybe Dumbledore was trying to give Ron a
little bit of confidence because I think he recognized that
he was always a little bit overshadowed by Harry, and
he was like, hey, maybe we should for Ron a bone,

(44:58):
give him something for himself. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Well, and we get a little context here too, because
once they get back down, once they get back down
into where everybody else is, and Molly is like, hey,
they're the Prefects and they throw party. Tonk says, my
head of house said, I lacked certain necessary qualities, like
the ability to behave myself right. Yeah, and then Lupin,
no Sirius says, no one would have made me a prefect.

(45:22):
I spent too much time at detention with James. Lupin
was the good boy, he got the badge. And then
Lupin says, I think Dumbledore might have hoped that I
would be able to exercise some control over my best friends.
I need scarcely say that I failed dismally so that
I think that lends some credence to what you're saying,
Shawmni about why Dumbledore would make that decision for Ron.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
And it could also be like Moody said, he could
withstand most Jinxes and so, which I like Cracker of
every time I read that.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Do you think because of what happens in the fourth
book he realizes that Ron needs this because he's trying
to keep them. I think he's trying to keep the
threeero together because like, yeah, it's also the reason why
he gives him the I'll never see the word the Illuminator. Yes,
it's because he knows that Ron is the one who
is easy. I don't like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Are you saying he's the weakest link? I know?

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Yeah, like, I think he realizes that Ron needs something
that's his and he needs to get a win over Harry,
and I think that this is a good way, an
easy way to make that happen, to give him a
little confidence so that they can keep that core trio
together because you know, he didn't talk to him for
what like half of the book lasts, you.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Know, half of them.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, yeah, it was a long time. Well, and it's
funny because even Kingsley questions it, Harry sort of overhears.
He's overhearing a conversation and he just catches the end
of it, like why Dumbledore didn't make a Potter of Prefect,
as said Kingsley and Lupin replied, He'll have had his reasons.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Yeah, I mean Dumbledore always has his reasons for everything,
as we know, good or not, good or not. He
gets such a pass though.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
They're always just like he has reasons, it's fine, and
they just go along.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
With their exactly.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
They just automakly think it's just okay. Oh, because it's
his reason, so it's okay. But why is it okay?
No one ever questions it?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Or yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Well. One of our throwback comments for this one comes
from Cassandra fourteen forty seven, who had some good thoughts
on this, which I thought was very interesting. They asked,
is Dumbledore too focused on Harry and the trio? Does
he miss opportunities to encourage other students to develop into
leaders and or fighters against the dark? And my opinion,

(47:32):
giving Neville the prefoot badge would have been at least
as equally as good an idea as giving it to Ron,
Ginny and Luda might be other examples as well. The
student population in general could also be an example. Dumbledore
gives them a couple of nice speeches, but he doesn't
implement any sort of activity or effort to help them
learn to defend themselves or try to mend the house,

(47:52):
Divide Neville prefec badge. I saw Tracy out of the
corner of my eye, shaking her head, explain.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Would one would make Neville a target? He would have
and he would have to like police his friends, which
I think wouldn't be good for Neville because I think
he has enough problems as it is exactly. And then
Jimmy and Luna maybe, but they're I could see him
doing it the next year, but then they don't or
whatever they you know later on, but they don't really
get a chance to have that happen.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yeah, hmm, yeah, I hear you, I hear you about Neville.
It might be I think if they gave up prefect
badges in the sixth year, Neville would be a great
candidate because year five is also where Nevill does a
lot of transforming thanks to the da.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Mm hmmm, oh yeah, his confidence goes up, yeah quite
a bit, and that.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Year it's skyrockets. Yeah, it's skyrockets. So sort of like,
never mind, I was going to make another Katie Perry joke,
but I was just gonna say, just like Katie Perry
leaving the shretosphere. Anyway. Anyway, So Moody's at this party
and he's like, hey, Kmarer Potter, I got something to

(48:54):
show you, and he pulls out a photograph of the
original Order of the Phoenix, which is so cool. I
love that so much. So many questions though, why does
he have it? Who took it right? Where's he kept it? Like,
Moody does not strike me as the sentimental type in
any way, shape or form, not at all. So interesting.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
My question is, do you guys think that Harry's reaction
was like a valid like response.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Like like like why did he just throw?

Speaker 3 (49:28):
You know, he was just he was like so upset
with Moody for like just springing this on him. Do
you guys think that was like a justifiable reaction or
do you think Harry was overreacting?

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I like, I can kind of see both sides. Like
I see where Moody thought he was doing something nice,
so kudos for that. But I can kind of see
Harry's point because it would be hard to look at
a photograph, and especially because he's explaining what happens to
everybody within the weeks after this photograph is taken, right, like,

(49:57):
you know what happens to them, and they look so
ha be they're totally oblivious to what's coming. That's that's
really hard to see. And he was already dealing with
the freefecting and he had all this other stuff on
his mind already. So I think that was just a lot.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, I think so too context.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
I feel like maybe in book one or two, I
think Harry would have been really happy with this photograph.
But now that he's Cedric died and you know, stuff's happened,
I think he's more And they're like in the middle
of the beginning of the war, so I feel like
he's more in tune to what could happen later on.
So I think it's a little bit more I'm not creepy,
but like more disheartening.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, I agree, cool thing to bring out, wrong time
to bring it out. Yeah, yeah, I don't know that
we would ever say that Moody, although we don't even
really know Moody because the Moody that we quote unquote
know yeah, is actually pretty crouch junior. So maybe this
is right on point for him. I guess no one
has ever accused him of being overly sensitive to other

(50:57):
people's other people's feelings or whatever.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, he's very.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Gruff, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah. It is really cool though, that that he goes
through and he says like, well, there's this one and
this person and yeah, they died right after this, and
he I'm trying to find the exact passage here the list.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Of name drops.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Do you guys think it's odd that he doesn't point
out that Gideon Fabian or Molly's brothers.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
Oh does he know that?

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Oh yeah, maybe he didn't know.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Or maybe he assumes Harry already knows well, because Mollie
isn't in the picture because they weren't in the order, right.
Maybe he's only ever known her as Molly Weasley and
didn't know she was Molly true It. Maybe yeah, But
we got a lot of really awesome name drops here.
I also love this, he says. I found it last

(51:50):
night when I was looking for my spare invisibility cloak,
seeing as Podmore hasn't had the manners to return my
best one. Very very subtle and beautiful clue as to
what's coming up, which I like. I like a little
ring theory. I like a little uh you know, I
like a little hint here and there he goes through.
He says, well that's me, and Harry's like, yeah, obviously

(52:14):
Moody is unmistakable. And then there's Dumbledore, Deedless Diggle, Marlene McKinnon.
She was killed two weeks after this was taken. They
got her whole family, Frank and Alice Longbottom, and Harry's like,
feels a big pit in his stomach, and Moody says,
better dead than what happened to them. Emiline Vance, you've
met her. And there's Lupin obviously Benji Fenwick he copped

(52:38):
it too. We only ever found bits of him.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Gross.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
And then I like how he's like poking the people
in That is something I have always wished I could
do in old family photos where you can only see
like the tiny heads of people in the back, like
I want to I want. I can't tell who that is.
I want to see who that is.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
He goes to say, that's Edgar Bones, brother of Amelia Bones.
They got him and his family too, Sturgis Podmore blimey.
He looks young. Carra Doc dearborn vanished six months We
never found his body. That's an unsolved mystery. Somebody in
the wizarding world has a podcast about him right now.
Like for sure. Hagrid, of course looks exactly the same

(53:21):
as ever Elpus Doze you've met him, I've forgotten he
used to wear that stupid hat. Gideon prud It took
five death theaters to kill him and his brother Fabian.
They fought like heroes, as you said. No mention of
being related to Molly, although he does mention Dumblelore's brother
Aberforth only time I've ever met him.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Strange.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, and then the dor Kiss Meadows Voldemore killed her
personally serious when he still had short hair, and there
we go, thought this would interest you, and then it's
his mother and father quote beaming up at him, sitting
on either side of a small watering man Harry recognized
at once as Wormtail. He was the one who had
betrayed their whereabouts to Voltemore and so helped bring about

(54:06):
their deaths. Yeah, and Moody's just like yeah, cool, right,
and Harry's like uh and he gets up and just
walks away.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
But going back then, I need to know more about Dorcas,
Like what what made Voldemort chill? Like?

Speaker 3 (54:26):
I was just thinking that mm hmm, Like, out of
all of those murders, why did he personally only choose
her to murder himself?

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm saying that name correctly, right, it feels
kind of mean?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, do.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Like pronounce like pronouncing it that way?

Speaker 4 (54:46):
I think it's right.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Okay, I hope it's right. Sorry, dead fictional Dorcas. If
we're if we're all saying it wrong, if we're all
saying it wrong, yeah, it would be really it would
be really cool. It's such a bummer that we never
got that encycloped so we could get some of these
cool backstories of people of people like her, which would
be really neat. But yeah, I mean I already sum

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this up, like really cool thing. Moody's right, people would
really enjoy seeing that. Wrong time to show it to Harry.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
When do we think the right time would have been?

Speaker 1 (55:20):
I mean, after the end of everything?

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Yeah, never later, like way later.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I don't know. Yeah, I mean, well, especially because Moody knows,
I mean, he was just traumatized himself, he was locked
in a trunk for a year. It clearly didn't do
much to him because the fake Moody to the real person,
the real Moody's personality doesn't change all that much. Yea,
So maybe he wasn't really traumatized by that. I don't know,
But you know, he, of everybody, at least had a

(55:46):
bit of a closer hand in everything that happened the
year before and could probably relate just a little bit
more to the trauma of it all.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Okay, Well, let's talk about the one big thing that
sort of wraps up the chapter here. Harry, as he
excuses himself, is heading upstairs, and he hears Mollie or
somebody crying in a side bedroom and he goes in
and he sees that Mollie or sorry, he sees a

(56:18):
dead body laying at her feet. I think it's I
think it's one of the twins first, and then it's
Ron or I don't think Ron.

Speaker 3 (56:24):
Yeah, Ron first.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Great, and he's like, wait a minute, Ron's downstairs. Just
can't be it, And he comes to the conclusion finally
that Mollie is trying to deal with the Boggart and
this is this has just always been such a harrowing,
touching scene. I mean, I am not a parent, but
I can't imagine. I can't imagine what that would feel like.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Yeah, yeah, And my thought to that is her worst
fear is clearly her entire family dead. To get rid
of a bogger, you have to think of something funny,
like there's no way to make that funny as out, like.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
What do you do?

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Right?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
That's why she couldn't get rid of it, because I mean, yeah,
in that moment, how can you think of anything remotely funny,
like when you're seeing your family dead?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
I mean, does she know, like do you know does
your Boggert always take the same shape or do you
I guess it changes based on what you fear most
in that moment.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
So I say it changes throughout life.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
I think so too. I think it changes too.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
So would she have had an idea but that's what
the boggert might be before she went to try to
go and tackle it. Like, I wonder what she was
thinking it would have been, maybe, and why she thought
she could handle.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
It, right, That's why I was like, you shouldn't have
let Moody do it. Why did you?

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, Harry screaming missus Weasley, just get out of here.
I'm like, yes, get out.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Of it, Yeah, just step away, just leave the room.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
I mean, the only the only time we see somebody
sort of think about what form their bogger might be
and we see their thought process is Harry when in prisoner,
they're they're stepping up, and he's like, well, the first
thing he thought about was Lord Voldemorre. But then actually
he realized he was significantly more scared of dementors. And

(58:09):
you two should speak to this as parents. But I
would assume that even if that is her fear, she's
gonna try to deny that and put it out of
her head and not think about it and have it
be the last thing on her mind constantly, because otherwise
how do you.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Function exactly exactly?

Speaker 1 (58:26):
But maybe that's just what being a parent is.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I don't don't like it's always lurking, but it's not
at the forefront.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Right, same here, same here. Yeah, it's always like, yeah,
it's a small thought in the back of your head, obviously,
especially when your kids go out with a friend, they're
away from home and they're not with you. It's like
you don't want to think the worst. But like sometimes
those US comans just like oh okay, Like no, i'ms
they're going to be okay, they're going to be safe.

(58:55):
But yeah, I mean, but I try not to think
about that's kind of just morbid.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
If yeah, well, and imagine it's a war zone too,
So if that underlying current of just general like a
low buzz of fear all the time, it's got to
be so heightened, oh, if you're on the precipice of
war exactly.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
From personal experience, I have panic disorder and that is
one of my fears. So if you constantly just low
on the surface.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
I do too, Tracy, mm hmmm, yeah I do too,
So I yeah, I know, I do you.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Think that's do you think that's what your bogger would be? Really?

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Okay, I honestly have no idea what I'm afraid of
so many things. I don't even know what my bogger
would take formats Like I'm afraid of heights, I'm afraid
of spiders, I'm afraid of you know, something bad happening
to my kids. Like, there's just so many things I'm
afraid of, which is bad. But when you have anxiety
and panic disorder, your mind does that to you. You

(59:58):
you know, you scared of lot of things. So it's like,
I have no idea what my boggart would be, honestly, well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
And I wonder too. I mean, even just now just
thinking about this, that fear of family dying. Sure, of course,
that's like an existential fear, right, I feel like I
am I'm not attempting to belittle your fears, but I
feel like on some level, anyone who cares about their
family has that fear in some sense. Obviously, I hear

(01:00:24):
you two saying that that is more forefront for the
both of you, which valid. Fine, I wonder what fears
are the boggart is it pulling from? Like Melissa you
mentioned spiders. Like, so if you step in front of
a bogger, is it going to be your family or
is it going to be a spider?

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Like is it the existential like the big ones do
you try not to think about but are ever present?
Or because you saw a spider in the corner of
the shower when you're standing there soaping your hair and
you're naked, Like, who hasn't experienced like seeing a spider
in the shower. I don't want that, you know, yeah, yeah,
you know right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
I guess it depends because to Seamany's point about how
do you make that funny, it's like, because that fear
is like people die. It's not like something you can
be like, well, it's a spider, it's not really it's big, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Smaller than you. You can't really can like explain it away.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
So it's like, how do you really get rid of it?

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
So well, like I have a super morbid sense of
humor sometimes and I try to think about like if
like the like people dying, like your family died, like
like my dad passed away, and it was always one
of my fears that one of my parents would go
and my in my morbidness, I would think I've seen

(01:01:39):
a meme where they take the ashes and they put
it in an hour glass and they say, oh, now
so and so can still be part of family game night.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Oh my gosh, Yes, I've seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
I love that's awesome, Mayle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
And I first I chexted my mom and I'm like, hey,
we should do this with dad, and she was just like, wow,
what is wrong with you? So, I mean, I would
think something like that, but again more and weird. But
outside of something like that, you like, there's you can't
make that funny for most people, Like, that's not like

(01:02:15):
you're just get out of there, Like your best bet
is to just get out of there and leave the room.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah, exactly, I mean, shaw mane, Now I really want
to see you battle a bug art and turn it
into my dad's actually like a cheap little like twenty
cent plastic hour glass somebody, Oh my gosh. I mean,

(01:02:41):
but I mean, I guess that's the type of humor
you'd have to have. Yeah, if if this is what
you were trying to batle, other than leaving the room,
does the bug art follow you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Follow you?

Speaker 4 (01:02:54):
Hopefully not?

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
That's never happened in the book. So who knows, but
if that would happen, that'd be terrifying. That'd be terrify.
Ife have followed you, like if you couldn't get rid
of it, and you're like trying to run away?

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Is it just?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Oh, I'm rereading the Hunger Games right now, and I
just I'm in Catching Fire and I just got to
the part where spoilers, folks has been out like twenty years,
I don't know how long, where Catinus and Finnic are
in the section of the forest where the jabber Days
are mocking the screams of their family members, and that

(01:03:27):
just reminded me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Wow, that's creepy, that's wow.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Oh yeah, I spoiled the end of Hungry Games last
time for Shamani.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah. I still haven't read it, so I mean, I'm
it's fine, it's the journey, it's fine, it doesn't matter,
and I'll probably forget, like by the time I give
you might.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Forget my honestly say, my memory is not the best either.
People can say a spoiler and then I'm just like
I'll go read. I'm like, oh yeah, I'll forget about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:56):
So great. I have a question about Lupin's patronas But
first I want to talk about this other throwback comment
from our old friend Elvis Gaunt. They say, after the
Bogart turns into dead Harry, Lupin and Sirius and Moody
come into the room, Sirius is staring at the spot
where the bogart lay, even after Lupin gets rid of

(01:04:17):
it and takes a long time before he speaks. Was
that Serious's worst fear? As well? He seems to appreciate
Molly better after this incident. They don't have another row.
After this, he understands that she is not merely being bossy,
but genuinely cares for Harry. He did not see the
Bogart taking the forms of the dead Weasleys. So the

(01:04:37):
Serious and Molly dynamic has always been very interesting to me.
And I think Elvis might have a good point here
that Sirius, maybe this humanizes Mollie a little bit for Serious,
because you know, this book doesn't always take mothers super seriously. Yeah,
and I say that with an asterix, but I think

(01:04:57):
you all know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Yeah, that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
What an interesting perspective. I had never really considered that before,
but yeah, I mean, they're absolutely right. Do we think
that that was that was Serious's worst fear? I mean,
because really, what else could really happen to him? I
mean to be honest, and Harry is really the only
person like family, family.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Well, and thinking about everything you all were just talking
about as parents. If Sirius sees himself as a parental
figure for Harry, that would make sense. He doesn't care
about his own life. He makes that very clear. Oh
yeah many times.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Yes, yeah, I think Harry, I think that would be.
I think that would definitely be. One of his biggest
fears is losing Harry.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
I think so too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:46):
Yeah, especially to war, since he lost James War the
first time the first time. Okay, so I mentioned I
want to talk about Lupin's Boggart and I know the answer,
but like, let's just talk about it. Lupin's Bogart is
the moon. Okay, intellectually we get it. The moon, the

(01:06:07):
full moon is what turns him into a werewolf. I
got it. Maybe this is one of those existential things
versus like the spider thing. Aren't there other things that
are scarier than the full moon for Lupin?

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
Yeah, you think there would be, But like what else
I assume.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
That I assume that turning into a werewolf is not unpainful, Like,
why isn't it a werewolf? Why why isn't it like
a werewolf a break because he like loses his mind.
I don't know, like the wolf bane potion, yeah, like, yeah,
maybe the moon is just the best representation of it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah. Well, I kind of feel like after all of
these years of a werewolf that it really shouldn't be
something that he's that afraid of anymore, especially with potion being.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Goble right, Yeah, so why is a spell I'm so
afraid of it? Or I mean, it could be just
because of the way that it happened to him. Maybe
it's just he's still just traumatized. I mean, it happened
to him as a young kid. He was what five
six years old?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Young?

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
Yeah, and that's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Probably cost some PTSD for him, you know, and maybe
he just never got over that. I mean, yeah, he
has the wolf Spane to help him with the symptoms
of turning, but I mean, just the fear of how
it happened, it probably is just very triggering for him still.

Speaker 1 (01:07:21):
Because that's valid.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
So if there is a full moon and he doesn't
have wolf Spain, then he will change, right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Mean he changes regardless, but the wolf Spain helps him
keep his mind. Yes, maybe so he can. It says
he curls up under his desk or something.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Mm hmmm, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Maybe it's the lack of control because the full room
represents what's going to happen regardless.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Mmm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Okay, I like that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Again, we're not trying to invalidate Lupin's fear here, listeners.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
This one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Figure out why it's the moon, not something the moon represents. YEA,
beyond the beyond the obvious, I think. I think what
Melissa said and what Tracy said are perfect obviously super
long PTSD. I mean it changes, it like changed the
physiology of his body everything. He's a werewolve now and

(01:08:14):
as Tracy said, it's gonna happen no matter what. It's
completely out of his control.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
I know, it's horrible. I know. And not only that,
but it just it changed the whole course of the
value the quality of his life. I mean, couldn't get
a good job, he was always you know, stressed, shabby,
and it's just outcast and it's just so sad like
Lupin had just such just a sad life and it

(01:08:43):
breaks my hearts. I love him, I love Lupin so much,
and yeah, it's just it's tragic now that all happened
to him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I don't disagree. I don't think well Bianco would disagree
one of ours, not a loop and fan. But this
pan I'll hear.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
We're all with you, Okay, definitely sympathize like he didn't
even he was so young. He didn't even have a
chance to experience life really, not as a were wolf exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
That's what makes it. Yeah, that's what makes it so sad.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
So there's one other thing about a bog art that
I alluded to in our chapter summary that I think
Tracy you pulled this throwback comment. It is, what does
a bog art look like? What does Moody c when
he uses magical eye to look up into the desk?

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Yes, I've always wondered that too.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Yeah, Ruddy Owl from the last time we talked about it, said,
is it a physicolophical question in the magical world? Kind
of like what were the bulgar to pairs? If you
didn't you weren't scared of anything, which I think is
an interesting like is it just like a little myths
just hanging out or is it something else I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Yeah, just like a little like a little orb or
like a little black like myst or something or.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Yeah, it would look like Lupin's moon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
I always assumed it was an animal because it's it
isn't fantastic beasts, So I think maybe it's maybe that
is where the dodo bird went. Maybe the dodo bird
is a bog I don't know like it, but that'd

(01:10:19):
be cool, I mean, because boggarts can land and be anywhere, right,
So maybe maybe it is a type of animal. Dodo
birds can't fly. Maybe it was a type of animal
that could fly.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
That just makes me sad though, because what if it's
like a really cute animal that like wants ever to
love them, and then they can't because everyone's afraid of them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
That's yeah, yeah, that is sad.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Oh, sympathy for boggarts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
For some reason, I think of like this like a
creepy like skeleton kind of thing laying in weight. Oh,
for somebody to walk into the room. That's scary. Again
with the morbid I don't know what's on me. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Skeletons a contortionist because it's in there. The bog art
is in the drawer of the desk, so like not
a full skeleton. You're talking like like like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
You know, like the horror movie style where it kind
of it basically it's a skeleton, but the bones are
like rubbery, so it can kind of fold itself up
into spaces and it just that's so scary.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
I'm scary.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
You should write horror movies.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
You should write a horror book. Like I don't want
to think about that. Now that's scary.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Wow, Well let's let's yeah, I don't want to. I
don't want to think about a boggart that looks like that.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
I'm sorry, No, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna assume
it's just like like a mist, it's a puppy cloud.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Yeah, it wasn't obviously, but when you said miss, it
made me think of that strange mist that Harry encountered
in the Triwizard Maze. Wouldn't that have been interesting if
that was that was the Easter egg that was a
bog art the whole time, Right, Yeah, I mean it's not,
but maybe it's not not. We don't know what happens

(01:12:11):
if you walk into a bog art. Maybe it does
flip you upside down. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Sure, maybe probably not, but we don't know. Yeah, Tracy,
what do you think? What do you picture when you
think about a Boggart?

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
Now I'm picturing like the stuffed animal that has a
cute eyes just staring at you, like a Dobby mixed
with a otter kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Dobby mixed with an otter, a dobber. Oh, a daughter,
that's cute'd be cute. Yeah, See, it has to be
a creature of some kind. Although that doesn't that doesn't
mean creatures can't be missed. Because if you take Fantastic
Beasts as Cannon, and the one part of Fantastic Beasts
that I do take is Cannon is the animals, because

(01:12:54):
I feel like, oh, don't affect the story at all. Now,
the what's the thing that Creden's had, the character the
Cream's had, and then everyone now assumes.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
Obscuria, obscure, very serious or obscure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
Yeah yeah, I mean that's an that's a beast, right
m hm?

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Technically yeah yeah right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
And they're made of misted, so maybe their cousins the
bog Art and the obscurial.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Maybe I like that. Yeah, good theory, good theory.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Good one, Melissa.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
We like it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
We we like ending on this. Although this is a
sad note. Yeah, because because they're all in the room
and they're they're sort of all staring at the spot
where the dead bodies were just traumatized, collectively traumatized by
Molly's bogger.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Poor Molly is traumatizing poor Molly.

Speaker 4 (01:13:51):
So she really doesn't like Hermione.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
She doesn't see her right she Wow, So she doesn't
love Hermione as much as she loves Harry Wow. I think, Well,
it's not that. I don't think it's not that. I
think she obviously she loves and cares for Hermione, but
she obviously has this it's a different level with Harry
because she feels like she's stepping in as a as

(01:14:14):
a parent since he doesn't have any. So I think
it's just it's a different level of love for Harry
than Hermione. Not to say she doesn't care, you know,
love Hermione. It's like, you know, I my son has
these two friends and he's very close with and I
consider them like family, and so Max Charlie if you're listening,

(01:14:34):
you're watching. I love you guys like you're my kids.
So yeah, but not to say I don't like like
my kids other friends as well, you know, but it's
just with those two because of their backstory, I have
a you know, I have a soft spot for them.
So maybe that's what it was with Molly and Hermione
and Harry.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Yeah, if we're all, if we're all lucky enough to
have a second family of that nature, yes, you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
That's a found family.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
I love.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
It's a beautiful gift.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
I love that. I love the found I love the
whole concept of found family. I love it so much.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Yeah. So Mollie's trying to calm down, and she's kind
of trying to explain herself, which is really sad that
she she feels like she has to explain herself or
why she's so upset. But she says, it'll be a
miracle if we all come through this and we're not
speaking to Percy. And I'm paraphrasing now because I didn't
put the whole thing in, but and we're not in

(01:15:30):
Percy's not speaking to us right now, and we as
the reader, know that they won't all make it through.
But I am glad that they did at least make
amends with Percy before it happened, so Mollie kind of
had her family whole again before it was ripped apart briefly.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
But yeah, I know, it's just so sad.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
I know, look at you giving Percy some crisp Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Yeah, I'll throw have a bone once in a while, once.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Yeah, very few, there are very few, but yeah, I'm
with you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Well, and it's you know, it's funny too, because because
serious is like, don't worry. They're all going to come
around and they're gonna they're going to The quote says
it's a matter of time before Boltimore moves into the open,
and once he does, the whole ministry is going to
be begging us to forgive them. And I'm not sure
I'll be accepting their apology.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Well, serious, you won't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
You won't worry about that, So you don't have to
worry about that soon, buddy. Sorry, there's that dark humor again.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Not sorry, yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not the
biggest biggest fan. It's okay. Uh So Harry leaves and
goes to bed, or it goes into his bedroom, and
you know, he's thinking about his parents and that photograph
and how many of those people their lives were pretty

(01:17:02):
much coming to a close, you know, they were all dead.
And then he's thinking about the Boggart or whatever and
his scar again. It says, without warning, the scar in
his forehead seared with pain again, and his stomach churned
horribly for Harry. Why why? Why?

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
What is is?

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Is this the okay theory? Is this the beginning of
them both feeling that connection not being aware of it.
Harry is feeling sadness and love and Voldemore doesn't like that,
so he's he doesn't know what he's feeling. So then
he gets angry about what he's feeling, and Harry feels
him feeling angry about feeling love. Am I making sense?

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Like an emotional war? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
That makes sense?

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Makes sense to me?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Good, well great, I'm glad. Nobody disagree.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
I completely understand and that, yeah, to me, that makes
perfect sense. Because Voldemort, well, I mean when he's I
know we're not on that chapter, but you know, when
he tries to possess Harry, he can't because Harry is
feeling all those emotions that just Voldemort cannot stand.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
So yeah, cool, I love it. I love when we
end on such a positive note about such terrible, awful
things brutal, but that is where we're going to leave
our chapter today. So we need to thank you Melissa
for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Thank you. This is so fun.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Guys. Oh good, We're so glad that you had a blast.
Glad this worked out. Where can our listeners find you online?

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Instagram? I am at Tufflepuff Melissa.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Oh great, excellent that you remember friends? Yeah cool, Well,
thank you again, and listeners, you didn't know this, but
we had a lot of tech issues and we worked
it out. And Melissa's a trooper and she's awesome and
there's a great episode. So just thank you again, thank
you being here. I'm going to give you a millennial heart. Simple. Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Our next episode is going to be a chapter revisit
of Goblet of Fire Chapter sixteen. A Goblet of Fire.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Ooh a title, chap I love a title.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
Chapter good chapter, very fitting.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
And you can follow us on any social media outlet
at Aloha Mora MN or on Facebook at Open Dumbledore.
Remember to subscribe, save and share this episode with all
your friends and with.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
That, this has been episode fifty seven of the final
one hundred. I'm Shamani, I'm Kat.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
And I'm Tracy. Thank you for listening to episode four
hundred and fifty seven of Aloha Mora.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I don't believe it. I don't believe it, oh Ron,
How wonderful you opened the dumbledoor?

Speaker 6 (01:19:51):
Hellohima is produced by Tracy Dunstan. This episode is edited
by Katherine Lewis. Alohamra was co created by Noah Free
and Kat Miller. And this is brought to you by
A p W B d LLC.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Hope you all right, bad guys.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Okay, well that's just like I'm out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
So it's like, okay, that's enough of that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
Yes, great, this is the perfect time. Tracy just stepped
out too. So I think my coworkers at the open
house across the street. I just saw someone walk into
the house and I was like, that looks like Holly, I.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Saw you looking. I'm like, art, is everything okay? Are
you getting burgled? Is everything fine?

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
Like okay, you know, getting burgled is what you always
jump to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
And I think, you know, like last night, the noise
confront the vigilance. Love it. Oh, I don't know why
my mind goes Sarah, I don't know. I have a
very very strange mind. No, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
It was not my coworker. But there is a really
really really cute yellow Mini Cooper, the color that I've
always really liked and never been able to find one
to buy. Nice thing right outside anyway, anyway, which.

Speaker 4 (01:21:08):
Is gonna mute till my family leaves the kitchen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
To bear with me, Okay,

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