POA, 11 Revisit: Soul-Sucking Satisfaction

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
This is episode four hundred and seventy six of Aloha
Mora for November Firs, twenty twenty five. Welcome to another

(00:39):
episode of Aloha Mora, the fandom's original Harry Potter book Club.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm Bianca Lynch, I'm Josh Cook.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
And I'm Alison Sigurd And today with us we have
someone you may know as Magic with Marissa. Our guest
today is Marissa Stevens. Welcome, Marissa, Yes, excited to be here.
Tell us a little bit about you, about how you
got into Harry Potter, about your house, your patronas, your
wand any of those kinds of details you want to

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tell us.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Sure. So, I have been a Harry Potter fan pretty
much my whole life since the beginning. Picked up my
first books at the Scholastic book fair at my elementary school.
I think I was eight or nine, so had a
childhood filled with going to midnight book releases. My town
was a little bit too small to have midnight movie premieres,

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but you better believe my best friend and I were
at the movie theater at like nine am on a
Friday for the first showing that we did have, and
we were probably the only people there decked out in
our Harry Potter t shirts. So you know, I think
I've never stopped being a fan, but probably took a
little bit of a break, let's say my twenties of

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just focused on other things and you know, trying to
navigate what the author was doing and all of that.
But after going through the pandemic, entering my thirties went
through kind of a personal challenge during that time as well,
and was just like, you know, what I need to
do what makes me happy and not care what anybody

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else thinks. So it started taking a lot of trips
for Harry Potter things. I went to Curse Child in
New York when it reopened after the pandemic, to the
Harry Potter New York Store, then the Theme Parks than
the UK to see filming locations, and through that kind
of discovered this community online of creators who were sharing

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tips on how to go do all these things. So
that's kind of where I got my start in the
Potter gram community and then finally decided to be a
part of it and start an account about a year
and a half ago and to share my own adventures,
and that has been like the best thing that I've
ever done for myself, and I've never been happier. And

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it's been really cool just getting to get to know
people in that way and share in that way with
the community online.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
That's lovely, very cool.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
What's your house?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
I am a hufflepuff.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Oh we're a very hufflepuff Griffindor episode. That's good for
this chapter.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
We are.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Like that happens to me a lot.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Don't sound so disappointed, Beyonca.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
It's fine, all right, So listeners, today's chapter we're going
to discuss as Prisoner of Azkaban chapter eleven, the fire Bolt.
This chapter was originally talked about on episode twenty five
back when we were doing more than one chapter, in
an episode that covered chapters eleven and twelve, and it

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was titled Wolf Rabbit, Dragon Cat from March twenty thirteen
with hosts Noah Kat Caleb and Rosie.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Oh gosh, what a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
But that was a great but that was such a
great episode. That was like, it's like my favorite og
crew right there. And you know what, I actually have
been like reading Prisoner of Azkaban, So I'm like very
komfuddled in my head about like, so if you hear
me mentioned a detail from like a different chapter.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Just my your business.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
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Speaker 5 (04:44):
Thank you, Yes, yay clips all around.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
All right, let's get into this chapter. I love this chapter.
I've mentioned this before, but this chapter was how I
decorated my ninth birthday cake. So this chapter is special
to me.

Speaker 4 (05:02):
Okay, I need more details on what that means.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Oh, I'll send a picture. Yeah, no, I do have
a photo. I will send a photo. I'll do it
right now if I can find it. Hold on, take
me a minute. I know I have it.

Speaker 5 (05:16):
It's somewhere Alison really needed the Molly Weasley in her
life to make and decorate a cake for her.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
No, it was a fun tradition. We would make our
own cakes, like my mom would help us, but we
got to decorate our own cakes however we wanted. That's
cute and so it was fun, you know.

Speaker 5 (05:34):
Yeah, Just so you know, if I ever meet your mom, Alison,
I'm going to like haze her about mom, especially with
all the time she has on her hands from not
making indecorating cakes for her children.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
My mom actually like worked as a cake decorator for
a little while, like sold cake decorations. I'll find it later.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
Anyway, did she ever make a I don't think so. No.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Anyway, here we go, so this chapter, here we.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Go Three turns should do it?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Chapter revisit.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Chapter eleven The Firebault.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
Harry stumbles back to Hogwarts after overhearing an explosive conversation
at the Three Broomsticks. His anger and hatred of serious
Black boils within him, especially when he gets his first
look at Black, as he once was the best man
at the Potter's wedding. Harry's anger lasts into the morning
when Ron and Hermione tried to calm him down. They're unsuccessful.
The only thing that manages to break through Harry's shock

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and pain is discovering that one of his friends is
in more need. Haggard is distraught having just found out
that Buckbeak is to be executed. Though the holiday season
seems off to an in vicous start, Christmas morning brings
the thrill of Harry's dream broomstick a brand new firebolt,
but this joy isn't long lasting. After a superstitious Christmas dinner,

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Harry returns to admire his new broom, only for it
to be confiscated by Professor McGonagall, who was tipped off
by Hermione. When the boys confront her about this breach
of friendship, she defiantly replies that she thinks the broom
may have come from Serious Black and Harry is in danger.
Dun dun, dum.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
It's really annoying that Hermione is rot about it coming
from Serious.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean, yes and no. Hermione's always right.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Hemione does.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I was gonna say Hermione does have a tendency to
be right. But before we before we get to whether
Hermione was right or wrong, I want to know So
is it wrong that nobody gave Harry all of the
nitty gritty details about the serious betrayal, Like, honestly, is
it even really relevant or is it only relevant now

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because we were now being introduced as series black.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
I mean it book like writing wise, story rise, it's
only relevant now, right. As for an, I don't know
if it really people would have thought it really mattered, right, Like,
it doesn't change the outcome and for Harry, right, his
parents are still dead, right and harsh, Sorry, it's just true.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Your parents are still dead.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
There, didn't know they're dead.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
No, take vaccines.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
What is that from? Oh, it's from a Marry Potter musical.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
It doesn't make people like you.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It just makes people dead anyway. Yeah, I mean, it
doesn't change that. And I think you know, the thought
was he'll be an askaban for the rest of his life,
and so it wasn't really relevant. I also don't think
it was probably common knowledge, right, I mean Madame rose

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Marita had no idea. You know, everybody else at that
table had some sort of personal connection to the Potters
or is Fudge, who was in the government so like
was part of like he was part of the investigation
so yeah, I assume it's just not super common knowledge,

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and people were like, do we really need to tell
this kid that? No? Probably not.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
Yeah, So how how do you think that Fudge got
the information? Do you think that it was after after
the fact that happened, like Dumbledore told the Ministry during
the investigation of part of the investigation.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, but I'm gonna find.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
The wait, Fudge wasn't was Fudge wasn't even Minnesota magic.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
During the first No, but something else as what a
detective No, hold on, I'll find him.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
Yeah. So anyway, I I guess what I'm getting that
more so is that the Fadailia's charm is just such
a strong piece of magic, and it's something that that
that Dumbledore kind of keeps in his back pocket. I
feel like a lot here, especially for the Potters. I

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just don't feel like it's something that the Ministry would
have ever known about, and the Dumbledore wouldn't have offered
that that kind of information up, especially the specifics.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, of and especially not right now because at this
point where we yeah, we just got out of Chamber
of Secrets, so like at this point he hasn't toy
Harry anything.

Speaker 5 (10:37):
No, Yeah, but I guess what I'm talking about, Like
when this happened was eleven years like twelve years ago.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
So here's how Fudge was involved. He says in the
last chapter. I was junior Minister in the Department of
Magical Catastrophes at the time, and I was one of
the first on the scene after Black murdered all those people.
I will never forget it. I still dream about it sometimes. Yeah,
I feel like I need.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
To Okay, let me let me, let me rephrase a
little bit, because I would not have expected Fudge to
tell Harry.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Is it wrong that the.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
People who are actually close to Harry, people like Arthur,
people like Dumbledore, Like, is it wrong that they did
not tell Harry now that it is irrelevant, not back
in the day, but now the serious is on the loose.
Isn't wrong that they're basically out here having these conversations
around him talking about this, but they're not telling him honestly?

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Probably, Yeah, I don't know if Arthur knows, right, do
we know if Arthur knows that that's why, like he
wasn't just warned that, like keep carry safe, right, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:38):
We don't know that. We don't know whether or not
Arthur knows these specifics that Fudge is talking about and
the three brimsticks. We just know that Arthur knows that
Sirius had something to do with their murder, you know
what I mean? Now, I do think that that is
common knowledge. I think that serious being in Azkaban, especially

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like the he didn't have a trial, all these kinds
of things. I think that Sirius being an azkaban with
a connection to the Potter's murder is common knowledge. But
why I don't Obviously that's not common knowledge. But to
answer your question, Beyanka, I don't think that it's wrong
because there's not really been a reason to go into

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those specifics, and like, no one's told this boy anything
except for Haggard in Sorcerer's Stone really at the very
beginning about kind of what happened. Now, once you start
getting into fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year old Harry, that is older,

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that is the information that he would need. Now it
all comes to a head as we know here. But
I think that this is at least one point where
I'm going the kids thirteen. Does he have to know
this type of information? Probably not. I do think I
think that the list that Harry goes through though of

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like people that he would expect to tell him or
wonder why they haven't told him. Is interesting because it
three of them are not. It's Dumbledore, Hagrid, Arthur Weasley.
The fourth one is Fudge. Why would he ever think
that Fudge would tell him?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Well, because he had that run in with Fudge at
the beginning of this book, right where Fudge like scooped
him up and was obviously being cagey about something right
and being cagey about oh, we're glad, you're safe, and
you need to stay in diagon Alley and all these things,
And so I think that's probably why he puts him
on this list of like, why didn't you just tell
me then the reason why I needed to stay here. Yeah,

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we've talked before about how Harry has such a distrust
of adults, and this is part of the reason, right,
is because he feels like they often keep information he
should know from him. He feels like he should know, right,
But of course he doesn't have a fully developed brain.
But like he's really he doesn't like to know all

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the information because he's a Gryffindor and he's reckless and
he's gonna go out and do things, and if he
doesn't have all the information, he oftentimes does stupid things. Right.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
So the only thing that the only thing that I
pushed back on with that is that Harry not It's
not that Harry doesn't want all the information, it just
not having all the information isn't gonna stop him from
doing anything.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Well, yeah, but it annoys him. I think when he's like,
if I had had this information, I would have done
something different, right.

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Right, Yeah, I mean I always push back on Dumbledore
should have told Harry Moore, but this, like these specifics,
like I don't think they'd matter. They don't. I don't
think they matter in the long run until until this
book happens. I guess I'm talking about with the information
we have in the series right now, that information doesn't
really matter.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, No, I completely agree. My only my only.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Caveat to that is it's kind of one of those
things where if you secrets do not stay secrets.

Speaker 5 (15:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
We already know this, So to me, it's more so
one of those things where I think it would have
been nice if Harry would have heard it first, like
in like his own kind of like private scenario with
an adult that he does trust versus him having to
find out about it that way, like this is and
I know that I Otherwise I completely agree, like it
didn't really make sense to bring it up, But because

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all of this stuff is happening, I just kind of
feel like, y'all, at some point he's going to find
out about this, and it would have been nice if
it would have been like you know, McGonagall or Dumbledore
or Haggard who were like who were like, hey, you
might hear this, so so I want you to hear
it from me.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Yeah, what do you think, Marisa?

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah, I agree with that. I think it didn't make
sense before this book to bring it up. He had
like enough to deal with finding out he's a wizard
and like all the things. But once he finds out
serious is out, Like knowing that connection is important. And
I think what really like pains me for Harry is
when Drake Malfoy insinuates that he knows and Harry doesn't know.

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And this is like another case and there are so
many throughout the series where Harry feels like he's the
person in the Wizarding world that knows about himself the
least like everybody else knows everything about him, and he's
the one out of the loop, and it just further
isolates him, and yeah, builds that distrust with adults and
everyone around him that he's the last to know on

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these things.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Do we think Draco actually knew all the details or
does he just know like Sirius was somehow involved. Does
he know he betrayed them?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Because how much does Lucius?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Okay, because if you think about, if we think about
what actually happened, how many people even knew that Peter
was the secret keeper other than like you know, Dumbledore,
Like I mean, well, I guess Voldemort, Like I don't know.
I just it's even see Voldemore even sharing that with
the dos like I thought even Voldemort doesn't. So like,
why would Lucius know the full story?

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Well, they probably know that Peter came over to the
death Eater's side, right, like because Lucy is in the
inner circle, But I don't know if he knows everything
about the whole Fidelious charm and everything.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, so yeah, that's actually a good point I never
thought about before, Like how does Draco know or you
know what you know?

Speaker 5 (17:20):
What? You know?

Speaker 3 (17:21):
What?

Speaker 5 (17:21):
You know?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Who told Lucius?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
I know told Lucius bunch because Lucius was hanging out
and so let me tell you, let me tell you
about and that's how Lucius found Draco solved.

Speaker 4 (17:40):
Oh, Lucius is telling Draco all this stuff, Like why
why is Raco in the know about everything when he's
the same age as Harry, you know, is he telling
him this or is Draco just like eavesdropping and overhearing,
because like I can see Lucy's telling like like Narcissa
or some of the other like death Eater peeps you

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know that are still out there, and and Draco just
like overhearing, you know, And because Drake is an eavesdropper.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Look we I look, little Draco is running around. Well
that's true, and they will ever ever admit that little
Draco was running around Malfoy manor finding all these like
weird hidden compartments and stuff and like hidden hallways and whatever,
so he can eavesdrop on everything and everybody, and he's
just causing issues like.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Him, and and then he's being rude to Dobby.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
He's making Dobby cover for him.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
He needs to team up with Dobby and they could
share information and just honestly.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
No Dobby should have just like throw Draco ver but
I think that I completely lost my train of thought.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Never mind sivil kid with.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Draco in the river with the chapter actually starts Harry
coming back from that, right, so the question is still relevant.
But all that conversation happened in the last chapter. And
so Harry gets back into Hogwarts because he had snuck
out to go to Hogsmead. And there's this line that
says a hatred such as he had never known before

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was coursing through his veins like poison. And this is
fascinating because up to this point, right, Harry has been
like I hate Snape, I hate Malfoy, I hate Vernon,
I hate Dudley, and I guess like Baltimore to some point.
But Baltimore is also kind of like abstract at this
point to him. I think he's he's never really faced

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him as like a human, right, because he's not in
like corporeal form, right. And so I just find this
fascinating because I think this really speaks to how Harry
feels about friendship. Right. The idea that somebody could betray
their best friends is so foreign to him that it
makes him so angry. And I think because his friendships

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with Ron and Hermione are like the most precious thing
in his life. Right, he came to Hogwarts, he found
these two best friends, and his whole life was changed
for the better. And they've been by his side and everything.
And I think Harry has this kind of subconscious fear
that they'll abandon him too, and they'll betray him too.

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And I think it's so fascinating then that part of
how that comes up is feeling this intense hatred for
Serious Black, his father's best friend, who, as far as
he knows right now, betrayed him, right, and he's it's
it's fascinating.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
It's a fascinating look at like Harry's psyche, I think
to me, and like what's going through his head?

Speaker 5 (20:56):
Well, and then also like Harry gets to see them
in normal form as well, you know what I mean.
So like he has that picture, that photo album the
Haggard had given him, and like he's looked through it
for two years now at least, never really knew who
Serious was, and and now he knows that well, he

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believes that this that this man is the reason that
his parents are dead. And then opens up this book
and there he is standing all smiles, with his parents,
you know, really, I mean that's a that's a year
or so before he would betray them, And listeners, I'm
gonna use a lot of like that kind of stuff

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because this is what Harry thinks right now. We all
know I have read the books. I know that Sirius
didn't betray them. Don't come at me. This is how
I'm gonna talk throughout the episode, thank you.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
But we have to look at this at this point
through Harry's eyes and Harry's perspective right now to understand
why he's feeling these emotions and why he's in this place.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think it's a good
point that you mentioned about how because because when you
were first talking about the hatred, I was like, I
do remember like in Sorcerer's Stone whenever, like.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
You know, Baltimore killed my parents.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
You know, Like I'm like, I know that he feels
that towards him as well, but like you said, like
having someone more tangible, like being able to.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
Like go through a photo album.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
But I do also feel like part of it, part
of it is like this is the first time he's
truly even been able to like, you know, hate someone.
I mean again minus the two times that he has
encountered Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
But no, I agree. I really like this point. I
like this one about the friendship as well.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
It kind of reminds me of how there's that whole
I mean, I don't even know if I would call
it a controversy, but I don't know. If anybody used
to watch the show Cheaters, I don't recommend it.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
It's a very toxic show. But you know what you
watch trash TV when.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
You're young, that you get older and you're like, oh,
my mental health anyways, but that whole concept of like, oh,
this person catches their partner cheating on them, and then
they go after person they're cheating with, and it's like,
why you go on after theom That person doesn't owe
you anything, They don't owe you any kind of loyalty.
You need to beating up your own husband, Okay, Like
that's who that's who you need, that's who you need.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
To be going after. And I feel like it's kind
of a similar thing here.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
We know that Voldemort is evil, we know that he's like,
you know, like the worst wizard of all time, but
like like you said, to hear that, it was like
a friendship is like, now, I do not think that
subconsciously he's afraid that Hermione and Ron will betray him.
I will say that what I will do, eh, But okay, see,

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and here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
This is why I'll also defend that controversial scene in
the Prisoner of basket Man movie the he.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Was their friend, because I think.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
It gets this across right in the way that thirteen
year olds get their emotions across. And so when people
are like that's so dumb, and it's such a dumb
way and it's so cheesy, it's like, no, he like,
let Harry have them, all right, He's just learned some
very serious information and this is turning his world upside down.

Speaker 5 (24:08):
And it's it's not even the fact that it's you know,
he has these two best friends. The boy has two friends.
It's not it's not like he has Ron and Hermione
and then he has what I mean friend George, and
he has like those are like acquaintances. I don't think
that he has friends outside of Rod and Hermione. So

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you have that, but like I think, I think, what
a lot of a lot of what we just read
and and what we're discussing is Harry's having such a
visceral response to hearing the story because everything about his
parents' death is becoming real here in the in this,
in this whole book, because first two books it's you know,

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he his parents have been dead since he was little.
He doesn't he doesn't remember them, he doesn't know anything
about him. He's been lied to for his entire life
about who they were, all these things. And then at
the end of book one we get a at least
pictures of them. You know, Haggard at the beginning of
book one tells them, you have your mom's eyes, you
look like your dad, all all these things, and and
so you're building that up. And you're building that up.

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And then now and and and Harry Harry puts words
to it. When you know Ron and Hermione, you are
doing this practice speech with him the next day, and
we can talk about the dream and things like that.
But Harry Harry says, hey, guys, real quick, do you
know what I hear when the mentor is close to me.

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I hear my mom screaming to like save me, so
like it's so real to the kid, And I don't
I don't think that we can fault him for any
of the any of the emotions that he's going through here.
I can't even talk about it right now, like it sucks.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, that's a good point that this book is for sure.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Whenever when these things became a lot more tangible compared
to compared to in the past.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Yep, like nothing nothing will cause that that that that
poison of vengeance, that poison of revenge of like requiring
revenge to boil through you, like hearing the like hearing
what you never had, but also hearing what you never

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had it at their worst possible moment.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
The issue that I.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Have with that is whenever Voldemort was reminiscing on the
night that he killed Harry's parents in Deadly Hollows, he
said that Harry was laughing.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
And smiling and had no idea what was going on.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
So I just want to point out that it's interesting
that this is technically one of his worst memories because
that's what the dementor is bringing up.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
But I guess I don't know. Maybe it's one of
those things where.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
The it's it's not necessarily about how you felt at
the time. Maybe it just takes into account the full
picture because I know that in the last book, like
it was like Harry was chilling.

Speaker 2 (27:01):
He wasn't.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think at some point he did start like crying,
but like it wasn't the kind of thing where it
was like Harry was screaming and scared the wall.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, like he was laughing and crying.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Is before Baltimore breaks in, right, it's he's he sees
them through the window playing with him, and then Baltimore
breaks out. I'm talking about I'm talking about whenever he
breaks in and there maybe he's not laughing and crying.
But I'm saying like Baltimore does not. He does not
say that Harry is scared like her, like there we
in the last book. There's no evidence that shows that
like Harry was like scared of rust. I think until

(27:32):
the very last minute, you know what, whatever else and
find the receipts.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
No, you got it, Okay, go ahead, It said, So
this is right after this is right when Baltimore is
killing Lily. It says, the green light flashed around the
room and she dropped like her husband. The child had
not cried all this time. He could stand clutching the
bars of his trip, and he looked up into the
intruder's face with the kind of brought interest, perhaps thinking

(27:56):
that it was his father who hid beneath the cloak,
making more pretty lights. His mother would pop up at
any moment, laughing.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Okay, okay, so you are so his mother is already
dead and before and there's no Harry is not scared,
he's not screaming, he's not sad. So at the end
of the day, and I mean, and whatever, this doesn't
even matter that much. I just thought it was interesting because,
like I said, I think the way that we've been
told in terms of like like how like dementors work,
it's kind of like real, like especially like even we

(28:24):
heard from Havard right like reliving his worst memories.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
And I'm like, that really wasn't a worse memory for Harry.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
But I think it doesn't matter. Dementors aren't just good.
It just makes me feel like crap.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
And I think it's just so buried in Harry's subconscious,
Like that's really what it is. Is it is the
most traumatic moment of his life. It's just buried so
deep in his subconscious.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
I think it's I think it's an interesting thing to
think about too, of like when we're little kids, we
don't know what to be scared of. You kind of
as you get older, you learn things that you should fear.
And to the point about the betrayal was serious. It's
like I think, up until this point, Harry thinks very
black and white of like, you're either a good person

(29:08):
or you're a bad person. You're in Slytherin, you're a
death eater, you're evil, or you're not. You're in Gryffindor
and you're great and you're a good person and there's
light in you. And so this betrayal of seriousnes is like,
oh wait, somebody who I thought was good could go bad.
That can happen, Like wow, new fear unlocked.

Speaker 5 (29:27):
Right, Yeah, So just to just to tie a little
bow on all of that, he when Harry does start
crying the next the next paragraph that Baltimort is thinking.
He says, he pointed to the wand Verdy carefully into
the boy's face. He wanted to see it happen, the
destruction of this one inexpectable danger. The child began to cry.

(29:48):
He had seen that it was not James. He did
not like it crying. Now we're also we are also
discounting the Baltimort soul inside of Harry when the de
mentor is near.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
So, yeah, we're having a lot of discussion about Harry's memory.
But we also have to remember that the soul inside
Harry's body was created at this time, at the time
that he is hearing Lily's cry. So that is the
after he cast about a cadavra on on Harry, Valtimore says,

(30:19):
and then he broke. He was nothing, nothing but pain
and terror and he must hide himself, not hearing the
rubble at the ruined house where the child was trapped
and screaming, but far away, far away. So that's the
other part that we also need to be bringing into here,
is that, yes, it sucks for Harry to hear that.
I think that if he didn't have Baltimore's soul inside
of him, he would not hear Lily screaming. He is

(30:41):
only hearing Lily's cry because of Baltimore's soul inside.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Oh are you saying because it was like Voldemore's trauma.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Yeah, So it's really his memory.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Interesting and I think it kind of goes hand in
hand because I think it really is kind of both
of their most traumatic moments, and so that's why I.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Don't I think that's Harry's most traumatic moment.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
At all, his parents dying in front of him, because
they were dying in front of him.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Though like, you can't, it doesn't, it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
It does not matter what happens if your brain does
not conceive it.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
You you feel that way because you're not one year
old Harry.

Speaker 5 (31:17):
But that was not he.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
There was no trauma for him. There was a pretty
green light and his parents were lying on the floor.
There was no trauma for him.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
You know, I putting your hand, putting your hand on
someone's face and watching it burnt off, sticking a knife
through a giant snake, all of that, to me is
a lot more horrifying than watching than watching my parents
just fall to the floor.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
I'm totally with Bianca. The only reason, the only reason.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
I think that's a hot take, man.

Speaker 5 (31:45):
I feel like that's a hot take that we that
we talk about every three months on this show.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
What is the hot take that Harry's most traumatic moment
is not dying?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Alison Listen, I was at a house when I was
three years old and I got burned worse than anybody
else in my family, and I do not. I don't remember.
I barely remember any of it. I do not think
about it. If someone were to be like Bianca, what
is the most traumatic moment of your life?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
I wouldn't even bring up this house fire? And I
was three?

Speaker 5 (32:16):
You want do you want to talk about it? You
want to talk about You've.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Repressed actually so much.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I know now I'm over here thinking like what would
it be?

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Well, but that's the thing, though, because dementors, that's like
you are, You're conscious thinking of things. Dementiors will pull
stuff out of your subconscious though.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Right, but even subconsciously, Harry was not afraid when his
mom died.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
He didn't even start crying until.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Like his parents.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
But Harry did hear heary hard even his parents were dead.
Harry does not even know that his parents are dead,
Like you're what you're saying, is this most traumatic moment?
He doesn't even have awareness. Don't you don't even know
what dad is dead? What does dead mean?

Speaker 5 (33:03):
I'm just happy that I'm on for the first time
in like three years of doing this show.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
We need to we need to stamp this, okay, all right,
all right, you know, let's I feel like you're wrong,
but we'll let the listeners.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Listeners please weigh in.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Please, let's as can you talk about his dream that
gets a weird like sad shot from What's a dig?

Speaker 3 (33:28):
Actually? I okay, but we'll get into that. So Harry
doesn't sleep, right, He pretends like he's asleep when Ron
comes to check on him, but he doesn't sleep. Instead,
he's kind of stewing in this hatred and he's kind
of replaying and and picturing the scene that he's heard about, right,
He's putting images and visuals to what he overheard in
the Three Broomsticks. And he says that Peter Pettigrew resembles

(33:53):
Nevill long Bottom, and I think it just suggests that
Harry is really seeing at this point, Pettigrew is kind
of like a victim, right that he's a little hapless,
He kind of struggles, he's kind of a tag along.
He might have these little bursts of bravery, which at
this point is all he's seen from Neville, right, And

(34:14):
so no wonder he kind of like puts them together
is because he's seen a couple of little bursts of
bravery from Neville.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
But in class, Neville is kind of hapless right, and
McGonagall said that Neville was hopeless or not Neville sorry,
that Pettigrew was hopeless at dueling.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
And like he was never up to the level of
James and Sirius. And so I feel like this is
like that's the person Harry knows who kind of fits
that description at this point. Obviously later that doesn't fit Neville.
But you know, I think it's it's really that's why

(34:52):
he does that. And he also hears Voldemor's voice, right,
the same voice he hears when dementors approach him, and
so of course, like of course what the dementors make
him hear is kind of weaving its way through his
brain and playing on those fears of betrayal and playing
on those fears that he's now discovered. It all just

(35:15):
kind of goes hand in hand for me. And again
it's this kind of subconscious putting of things together.

Speaker 5 (35:22):
Yeah, so I thought it was a weird dig. I'm
I actually you say and all that I'm wrong. I
thought it was a weird dig because I thought that
he was taking what he thought Peter looked like and
just putting Neville's face on him. But like he knows
what Peter looked like Peter would.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Be in the I don't think he does doesn't right now.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
He wouldn't the photo album.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Well, he doesn't know what Peter at this point, Yeah,
he has no idea. The only reason he knows that
it's serious in the picture is because he overheard them
say seriously, and so he looks at the picture. He's like, well,
that's the guy standing where the best man would stand.
That's him. Well, so he doesn't know what.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
Obviously, we don't. We don't. We don't know what the
like the wedding like portrait looks like, because I mean,
if it's after three and three broomstakes. They did talk
about how like they were pretty much inseparable. Well, well
I guess not, because Loop would have been in there too.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, he doesn't how James and Serious were inseparable, and
then Peter was kind of a hanger on. They don't
mention Lupin at all.

Speaker 5 (36:31):
They don't because Harry doesn't know that Lupin and James
were friends until later.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
No, the whole other problem.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, the chapter speaking of things people should have told Harry,
like why doesn't loopen.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
Welcome Welcome to Maria.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like y'all don't even go there. Yeah,
sad as no, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
I'm sorry. I'm not saying he's right in it. I'm
just saying I think it's because Lupin's afraid and he
doesn't want to across a weird Harry and I don't
think he wants to cross a weird line with Harry.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, since Lupin isn't in this chapter, I will just
say that this was the first time I ever noticed
that Peter was compared to Nevill, and I was gonna
put a note, but then I saw yours and like
my jaw like literally dropped.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I was like, how have I never ever noticed that?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I just thought it was very weird and random, like
to me, I don't even I.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Mean I do.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I do. Like your explanation, Alison. I feel like that
actually reconciled it for me a little bit, because when
I read it this time, I was like, what are
you doing?

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Like why are you even bringing Neville into this?

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Like that made I don't know, to me, that was
just a little bit like a good like a flop. Yeah,
that just and like you say, we don't he doesn't
even know what Peter looks like at this point, so
like what you we even talking about?

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, well, it's it's interesting because back in the day
they were theories of like oh, Harry, Ron, Hermione and
Neville they'd match up to the Marauders, right, like Neville
is Peter and Hermione is Lupin and Harry is James,
and then that makes Ron serious, which kid causes all
kinds of problems. When I remember, that was a big
theory that went around at one point, and people were

(38:18):
like analyzing it and like is that actually true? And
who's really who? And it was very fascinating, and there
were thoughts that like Neville would become more of one
of the group, or like Neville would betray them, or
like all these different things.

Speaker 5 (38:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
It was it was very interesting, very interesting theories back
in the day.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah, I agree, Bianca. I thought it was just kind
of random. I didn't know why that was added in here,
but kind of to your earlier point, Alison, I do
think to an extent, like it's normal to whenever you're
reading a book, it's like you might picture somebody that
you know as a character or an actor and actress
as a certain character in your head and so it's
kind of I think it is kind of natural for

(38:58):
him to look at the situation and compare you know,
Ron and Hermione to serious and like, oh, that's something
I need to fear now, is would one of them
betray me? And Neville fits into that category of you know,
kind of the same personality as what he's been told
of Pedigrew, So he's trying to kind of that's his
way of maybe trying to understand the situation.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah, yeah, that's the only way I'm buying it is.
Speaking of Ron and Hermione. The next morning, they really
try and calm Harry down with a lot of logic,
which is very interesting and kind of makes me laugh
because Harry says that he suspects they've rehearsed this speech,
which obviously, if they have, Hermione wrote it right, like
Hermione came up with the idea since it's so logical.

(39:41):
But this actually kind of heightens Harry's paranoia about this,
right is He's like, well, if they've rehearsed this speech,
what other conversations are they having behind my back? Right?
And I think it's so clear and we can tell
from the outside that Ron and Hermione are just desperately
worried about Harry, right, and there were, because he has
a tendency to jump into reckless action when he feels desperate,

(40:05):
and they're like, oh my gosh, if he runs off
and does something crazy, how are we gonna keep him safe?
You know, like this is scary for them too, I think,
But I think it's so fascinating that maybe for the
first time, Harry feels these very overwhelming emotions and he
doesn't know what action he wants to take, right, Like,
he feels like he needs to take action, but he

(40:28):
doesn't know what. And I think it's so funny because
it's so textbook gryffindor of doing nothing is not an option, right,
like you've gotta do something, It's just what are you
gonna do?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
I do not think that Harry is suspicious about Ron
and Hermione he having I don't know. I know that
he does specifically say that it was I don't think
that you're under no, no, no, no, no. I don't
think that he's wondering, like what other conversations are they
having behind his back.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I don't I don't even think he's at the end
of the day. We know her mind.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
We know Hermione is a planner, and we know that like,
this is the type of thing that Hermione does. It
has nothing to do with malicious intent. It's just that
this is what Hermione does. Also, in a group of
three people like this is I mean, and this has
been shown. I don't siblings, friends, whoever, it is, in
a group of three at the end of the day,
there's always going to be two out of three, like

(41:21):
there's always going to be a special something with two,
Like that's just the way the cookie crumbles, to quote
Bruce Almighty. So I so that that piece I don't
I don't agree with, but I do I do agree
with with how how worried they are about him, because

(41:41):
they do know him.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
They know that he has been you know.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Reckless and that, and that you know he might go
he might go do something stupid. But I thought it
was a little dramatic to even bring up killing him,
to even bring up killing sir, What is Harry gonna do?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Harry don't even know, stupefy at this point, like what
what dark are has he learned? Okay? And no, and never.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Remember this pissing me off in the movie too. By
the way, I remember this is my least favorite movie.
It's it's it is the most cringey movie.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
That is the whole job.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Every time that ever, I know, I think I just movie.
I think I just wipe it from my mind because
I cannot believe the blasphemy, like I just have to
get it out.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
It's so cringey. And you know that whole scene where
he's like, I'm gonna kill him. I'm like, no, you're not.
You can't kill nobody. Shut up. He can't do anything. No,
he's thirteen and he's in a rage.

Speaker 5 (42:34):
This whole movie.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Is you guys are saying, I can't even handle this.
I'm about to leave.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Today.

Speaker 5 (42:42):
I can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I can't either you you.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Okay, this his hands down the best movie.

Speaker 5 (42:48):
The only thing I can ever think about whenever someone
brings up Prison of Azkaban is Peter Peter Grew going
like this to transform For me.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
It's that terrible, like anerrexic looking wolf.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
I was like, yeah, you're wrong, all right.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Okay, though it has some cringey there's like a freeze
frame at some point.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Okay, yeah that's bad that. I'll give you that I
can't excuse that's that. But overall, I think it is
the best movie.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
I don't know that it's the best, but it's up there.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Listeners, y'all know what to do, y'all. Y'all, y'all know
what beau become a movie podcast?

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Really tell you how wrong they are because they are
so wrong.

Speaker 6 (43:44):
Anyway, real quick, before we move on, Like through through
all of these kinds of conversations that we're having about
Serious Harry, Harry, it's going over and over and over
what Serious did.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
And I think he said that if anybody deserves a
ascuban as him, it's Serious, and then we know later
on that it doesn't Askaban doesn't affect him so like
we I think that we kind of not give Serious
a pass, but we that does dilute his suffering while

(44:20):
he's an Azkaban. But we also still need to remember
that he was in solitary confinement essentially for like twelve years.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Well, and he's also living with guilt about the whole situation, right.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
And don't I don't think it dilutes it.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
I don't think it does. I mean, he he doesn't
feel quite as much of the effect of the dementors
because he says it's like it's a protection that he
knows he's innocent, right, But I and he does say
sometimes it gets so unbearable that he has to turn
into a dog because he just can't handle being a
human and feeling them around anymore. So I think, yeah,

(44:56):
I think there is a lot of it. I think
obviously they don't understand that. And that's why Harry's like, oh,
it's not a punishment. He doesn't feel the dementors because
Sirius has managed to keep his his sanity through these things. Ye,
which is why would I.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Say that askaban isn't a punishment because at this point
he doesn't even know that could turn into a dog.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
He says, you heard what Fudge said. Black isn't affected
by ascaban like normal people are. It's not a punishment
for him like it is for the others. Because Fudge
mentions that, like Sirius was very insane and lucid and
not he has profit, right, yeah, the newspaper, And so

(45:40):
I think that's more Harry projecting that almost on him.
He doesn't understand because he's thirteen, right, he doesn't quite understand.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
I think this is just immature.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah, how the guilt and the pain and all of that. Really,
I mean, I've talked about this before. Serious comes out
of Askaban with severe arrested development, right like, and it
comes from this pain and this grief and this guilt
that he feels the whole time he's in there, that
he's never able to get away from because of the dementors.

(46:13):
And Harry doesn't really understand that, I think until he's
much older, and so that's why he.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Can't because him anyways.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Yeah, what what Serious does say
at the end of this book, It said, the only
reason I never lost my mind is that I knew
I was innocent. Demantors couldn't take that away from me.
It kept me saying knowing that, knowing like who he was,
and then whenever, whenever it did become too much, he
would transform into a dog.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Yeah, And I mean pretty much just like it says here,
you know, the solitary confinement. I don't think we should
discount the fact the prison without dementors is still a
pretty place to be.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Yeah, yeah, on an island in the middle of a sea.
What did you think about that? Marisa?

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Now I'm like fast forwarding to when the other Death
Eaters escape. I mean it's like, do we think any
of them truly went insane? Had Bellatrix lost her mind?
I mean she's she seems like she still knows what
she's doing when she gets out right a little.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Bit, made me deal with the dementors.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Okay, they had her, and the dementors had like I
don't know, I don't know exactly what was happening, but
I don't think they did anything to Bellitrix.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Like Bellatrix was like, I love Misery.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
Well that's because I think.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
A punishment for them, you know that that would be
anyone who's not Bellatrix.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
She is her own.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
She is her own. Yeah, no, that's real. She's just
she's just like already psychotic. So it's.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Taken away from Baltimore. Yeah, that was very much.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
But we do know it affects Barti Craps Junior quite
a bit, right, like we him Hagrid see even that
short amount of time. And I think we could make
the argument that the other death Theaters are affected. We
just don't know enough about them before, you know, to
really compare. And I mean they're evil, so I guess

(48:15):
like Misery loves company?

Speaker 5 (48:18):
Is there is there is there any chance? Is there
any chance that you know we we hear at the
end of book five when Dumbledore is talking to Fudge
about the Dementtors and like the Dementtors I guess relationship
or like kind of bond with Voldemort. I mean, is
there any chance that because the Death Theaters had the

(48:41):
dark Not not that the dark mark makes that difference,
but the Dementors wouldn't go after Death Theaters because they
were kind of in an alliance.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
With almost Yeah, mate, well, I mean, how about we
just like give her a second?

Speaker 5 (48:59):
How about we like think about it? Maybe not just like, hey, Josh,
you're the dumbest person I've ever met. How About how
about hey, Josh, I see that you're trying. I'm gonna try.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I can't just that's a stretch. That's a stretch, dementory.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
That those Dementors are loyal to whoever can give them
the most like soul sucking satisfaction.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Okay, that is Like.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
I don't I think if Voldemort were in as command,
the Dementors would be going after him too, Like, yeah, don't,
I don't.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I don't think they have really right.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
Made me think I've got twenty four episodes left. I
just want to try something. Guys.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Hey, you didn't break up something. I'm gonna compliment you.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Calm down.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
I think I think you bring up an interesting thing,
because I wonder if I mean the Baltimore says at
the end of Goblet of Fire that the Dementors are
our natural are his natural allies. So I wonder if
if that's partially how he gets them to his side.
Is all these death eaters are in there, and they've
spent this time together, and the Dementors or the death

(50:09):
Eaters are like, look at the things we've done, look
at the misery we've caused. You could come over to
our side and you could eat it all up, right, Like, Yeah, No,
I think that's an interesting thing to think about.

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Thanks. I'm having a really fun time, guys. I don't
know if anyone else is, but I'm glad i'm here.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Josh like to butt heads sometimes we've been, honestly, I mean,
we're almost an hour in and me and Josh have
not butted heads until now, So honestly, that's pretty impressive.

Speaker 5 (50:40):
Over it's all downhill from here.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Oh my god, do not say that all right.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
So do we even think that it made sense? For Okay,
hold on, let me I was actually going to delete this.
Here's what happened. Sometimes I put things in the dock
and then I want to delete them, and then people
put responses under mine and so.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
I'm like, oh, well, I mean, they don't have to
talk about it if you don't want to.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
But I feel like if if I cross it out,
then I'm crossing out. I'm also crossing out Josh's and
Marissa's note.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
I'm like, nope, no, forget it.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
We're just we're not gonna talk about like what I
was gonna say whenever I was whenever I was whenever
I was listening to this chapter, I was like Ron
and Hermione like like, why are you even wasting your
time like this? This conversation was I'm not gonna live
a conversation.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
To me, it was dumb.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
However, what I will say is I do see it
from the perspective of these are two people who are
really worried about their friend, right, Like they want to
make sure that Harry doesn't do anything crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
They're like, oh my god, you know this is really horrible,
you know, and you know Ron.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
And Hermione they can never really they can never really
understand what Harry is going through. I mean even before
they met him, Like he's just had so many horrible
things happen, so like I.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Love just like the kindness of we care about you.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
But I was just thinking, like, did this conversation do
any like if this conversation we're scraped from the book?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
What literally anything change?

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yes? A lot, because this is where we find out
how like what Harry actually feels. Right again, it's showing
us how angry he is about this, and I think
it also backs up my point of he's feeling afraid
that his friends don't understand him and therefore they may

(52:21):
betray him, and that scares him. And I do think
it's important to see the difference in their thought patterns, right,
Harry has so much hate and anger, he wants revenge
at this moment, Ron and hermiond you're like, take a breath, right,
Like they're being his voice of reason here, And I
think that's really important because Harry really does need a

(52:43):
voice of reason a lot of the times, because again
he's a pure Gryffindor and he's like, I feel a
thing I'm gonna go punch a thing, right, Like, he
has to go out there and do something. And I
think they know right as soon as he was like
in eleven, he was like, the Sorcerer's Stone is in

(53:04):
danger from a full grown adult. I'm gonna go save it.
And so they came with him. You know, there's this
dark entity out there who's kidnapped Ron's little sister, and
you know, even though an adult is supposed to go
save her, we're gonna go help anyway. And I'm gonna
tackle a giant snake.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Like They're like, yes, but did a conversation change anything?
But did the conversation change anything?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
No, it doesn't change Harry's mind. But I think it's
important still to see that there is someone saying a
voice of reason. And I do think it helps him
a little bit to understand they do care about me.
They're not gonna abandon me, right, they want to keep
me safe.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
And because this all ties into your theory that he
thinks that his friends might betray him, yeah, okay, to me,
that is like the biggest hot take of this episode.
I just I don't even think I mean his I
don't even think his brain is in any way. Like
also to me, I feel like that's also a very
like girl thought, like, oh are my friends talking about me?

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Like I feel like I don't.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
I don't think he's he like consciously recognizes it. I
think it's a more subconscious thing because, like Josh said,
these are like you grappling on You're really grabbing onto
this whole subconscious thing a lot in this episode.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Okay, we need we need to keep a.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Conscious psychology man, psychology man can't.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Okay, But but honestly, like Josh, what were you going
to say?

Speaker 5 (54:31):
I'm just gonna say how much I love the two
of you so and how beautiful and how beautiful you
both look today? Love it all right? What the the
one the one psychology thing that that I do I
do want to bring up about this is Bianca. I am.
I am with you generally on Like the conversation doesn't

(54:53):
change anything. I do believe that. I believe that as readers,
it is it's nice to see I guess like it's
just nice to see us see our characters work through here.
But I think that they I think that they crossed
the line and and and they were really throwing like
the last bit of like ammunition that they had at

(55:16):
it whenever they said, your mom and dad wouldn't want
you to do this, And Harry responds exactly the way
that I think that anyone in that situation should and say,
I don't know how they would want to respond, because
this man is why they're dead, so shut up. So
so yeah, I have a question of knowing knowing James

(55:40):
and and kind of knowing Lily. We at least know
that Lily did defy Voltimore three times with with James,
would what would James and Lily think about this? Griffindor
Harry of I want to go get them.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
It's a little bit of a mood point because the
other day, well no, not because they're but because they
know what who actually betrayed that, Like they know who
their actual secret keeper was, right, and so it would
be like James would be like, bro, no, trust my bff,
right like, and Lily would be like, yeah, like it's
not serious as fault, you know. So that's that is

(56:17):
the very interesting thing is Harry right now is like, well,
we could never know, but really they know they would
have known the truth, right and not until he he
finds out at the end because he uses that, right, Wait,
hold on, he uses that at the end where he says,
my dad wouldn't want this to happen, right, my dad

(56:40):
wouldn't want his best friends to become killers.

Speaker 5 (56:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
So I think he figures it out by the end.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Okay, yeah, yeah, you're You're right. I get that's not
the question that I asked. Well, that's not the question
I'm meant to ask, at least, the question I'm meant
to ask would is what would James and Lily think
about this? Harry? Like, let's let's take book one, Harry
Sorcerer's Stone. There's a problem. I'm gonna go figure out
the problem. I think that I think that they there's

(57:05):
two sides of that. You're very proud of your kid
for wanting to do the right thing, but also like
he would have help in that of you don't have
to do it by yourself. He would have someone that
he could trust to talk to.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Well, he wouldn't have as much issues I think with adults, right, Like,
because that's a lot of the reason why in these
early books Harry goes and does stuff is because he
does not trust adults, right, and they they let him down,
and so he wouldn't trust him. But I think James
for like this very reckless Harry James would be like,
that's my boy, right, like because James was kind of

(57:43):
the same way. Though maybe as they're older, they'd be like, look,
we get it, we understand, we know where this is
coming from, but like you need to be a little
bit more careful, right, I mean, I guess me and
my siblings never got away with anything because my dad
was kind of a wild child, right, so maybe it
would be the opposite. James would be like, no, right, like.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
Never, well, I mean, so I mean putting putting myself
into a situation of James, I guess is like for
for my for my very young children at least, like
I want them to explore. I want them to be
curious and go and go figure things out. But there

(58:22):
is like that that line of dangerous, you know what
I mean? Like, yeah, me and my wife have very
have very different parenting styles, you know, like Sydney comes in,
where are the kids? I don't know? Outside? I guess
you know, like I don't, I don't know. But then
it becomes like if we lived right beside a road

(58:44):
or whatever, like that's whenever, like they're not allowed to
go outside because there's a road right there, you know
what I mean. So like there's that type of thing
that we also have to remember that who James was
at twenty one before children and James at thirty three
raising a child would be completely different. But I do

(59:05):
think that I think that we would see that as
far as like I want you to go. I want
you to go find all these secrets in the castle
that we found, but how about you don't hang out
with a werewolf.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
He would have already been hang out with that werewolf
because that werewolf is one of james BFFs.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Well no, but you know, he probably would have known.
He would have known Uncle Remus's condition, right. He would
have been like he would have.

Speaker 5 (59:38):
Known, right you can, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
It would have been like, hey, Remis, why didn't you
tell my son that we were best friends?

Speaker 2 (59:44):
But let's not go there.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I mean, you're right he would, But yeah, you have thoughts.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I think it's really disappointing for Harry for Ron and
Hermione to come at him with this in the way
that they did. I know it they're coming from a
good place, but I think it's just from Harry's perspective like, oh,
just add them to the list of with all the
adults and people who don't understand me. And I think
it's also one of those like that's your natural tendency

(01:00:13):
as a friend of like or for somebody you care about,
of they're going through something, you want to solve it.
You want to tell them what to do, and like
you got to know when there's a time and place
for that. But there's a time and place where somebody
just wants to vent and you need to just listen.
And I think that would have been a lot more
productive for Ron and Hermione to do, to show Harry
that they care of just trying to understand what he's

(01:00:36):
going through instead of just jumping to and get on
the bandwagon with what all the adults are saying.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Yeah, with that, speaking of adults, we Harry is like
so angry, and they're trying to distract him, so they're like,
why did we go see Hagrid? And Harry's like, yeah,
I can go ask Cagrid why he never told me
about this, And they're like that's not what I was thinking.
But when they get I find it. You know, Harry

(01:01:03):
is such a sweet little cinnamon roll. Right, He's so angry,
he's so set on revenge. And then he sees one
of his friends, right, he sees Hagrid is so distraught,
and he literally says he can't bring himself to be
angry at him anymore, right, And he's like, oh, somebody
care about is in pain, maybe even more pain than
I'm in. So I'm gonna you know, his love for

(01:01:25):
his friends overcomes his own distress, his own hatred, which
I think is so sweet, like, bless you, little baby boy, Harry,
like you, precious little bean. And so they're trying to
comfort They're trying to comfort Hagrid, and Harry's like, hey,
why don't we go to Dumbledore, even though he was

(01:01:45):
also just furious about Dumbledore about not telling him about
serious And he's like, it's fine, right, we know that
truth is gonna come out. You know, justice will be great.
We know he's innocent. Hermione again gives her very reasonable
lodge explanation of here's how we'll build a defense case.
And then Ron goes for the emotional comfort right where

(01:02:06):
he's like cup of tea, which I think is very
sweet and again kind of very much shows how the
three of them work so well together, right, They're like hope,
logic and comfort, and when they come together, they are
able to like lift any situation like precious. I love them.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I mean I was just like, oh, look they got
a baby Hagrid again.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Kind of ironic. How we just came from Harry being
in a situation and everybody telling him like the adults
will figure it out, truth will out, it will be fine,
and he won't accept that for himself. But then Hagrid's situation.
That's his message to Hagrid of like, oh Dumbledore, everybody,
it'll get sorted out. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
It's always easier whatever. It's someone else's life.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
I was just like I would look, they got a
baby Hagrid again. Look at that? Look at that. Kids
got to take care of the adult.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
He's it pain.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
No, I don't care. Go to a therapist, Go to
another adult.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
No, I don't even go to a therapist because we
know those don't exist in the Wizarding World.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Go to another adult. Yeah, don't you know, dump.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Your stuff on thirteen year olds who already got their
own stuff to figure out.

Speaker 5 (01:03:17):
And you're their teacher now, Yes, not just Haggard holds
the same Haggard holds the same place in my head
that Lupin does of just like get over yourself, for
if you love these kids, if you love these kids,
you would try your best to get over yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Listen, I'm gonna say, as a teacher, you are still
human and there are days, sure where you're just gonna
have breakdowns. I have broken down in my classroom before,
I have cried, I have almost I almost passed out once,
but that was a very terrible class and it was
more stress related than anything else. Like, You're still a

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human and there are still times, especially when they live
at that school, that like thing are gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
We're not saying that Hagrid shouldn't be human. We're saying
that Haggard should not be always putting his problems on
the No.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
No, but I think that's what we're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
No, but he has a different relationship with them. He
was their friend first, right, and I think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Which is also a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Well, yes it is. I'm not going to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
About that, but no, but but I think and they
also they showed up at a time where he was
like in the throes of having a milkdown, Like, what
is that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
I do you know, answer the door?

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
They did come to him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
What did they do when he doesn't answer the door?
They tried to break down the door. Yeah, they did
that last year. They tried to break down the door.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
You know, I answer them out of honestly, out of
all of the issues I have with Hagrid, this is
so low on the list.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
You can just have this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I don't even care, like this is this ain't even
in like my top five. So yeah, bet cool. Well, sorry,
Hagrid it is.

Speaker 5 (01:04:58):
It is nice to know. I guess that the ministries
not gonna hold Hagrid liable for buckbeaks attack on Malfoy
attacking quotes. But you know, we do get these like
little snippets of going back through the like old lawsuits
I guess against animals later in the in the chapter here.

(01:05:19):
But it's said, doesn't it say that it's by the
like this might write a letter to the ministry that
said that Hagrid it doubledore no.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Yeah, and Dumbledore like yeah. So it says we must
register our concern about the hippogriff in question. We have
decided to uphold the official complaint of mister Lucius Malfoy,
and this matter will therefore be taken to the Committee
for the Disposal of Dangerous Creatures. The hearing will take
place on April twentieth, and we ask you to present
yourself and your hippogriff at the Committee's offices in London
at that date. Blah blah blah. What did he say

(01:05:58):
right before that?

Speaker 5 (01:05:59):
Right before that said is that we have accepted the
assurances of Professor Dumbledore. Oh yeah, responsibility further regrettable incident.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
This is fascinating to me because you know, this does happen, right,
Like I mean, for around my area up in like
Tahoe up in the Sierras. Sometimes there are bears that
get to like comfortable around humans and they're like breaking
into houses and they make things really dangerous. So sometimes

(01:06:30):
they're like the Forest Service and stuff has to decide
that we have to catch this bear and put it
down because it's become too comfortable with humans and it's
causing danger.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
What I find they become too comfortable and too like reliant,
yeah humans.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Yeah, And so what I find interesting here is that
they're they have this whole committee and they hold a
trial with the creature. There is that because like like
magical creatures have more not like sentience, because that's not
what I'm looking for. But maybe the Wizarding world considers

(01:07:05):
them more not precious either.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
But do you know what I'm kind of saying, like
I know what you know, what you're getting at.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
I feel like I just I agree that it doesn't
make sense, like why is buck Beak at the hearing,
Like he's not gonna defend himself like with I don't
I know exactly what you mean, And I agree that
it does not make sense, like I have no reason
to as to why buck Bee And it wasn't even
like they did something where they did like a demonstration,
right of like oh, well, you know, let me try

(01:07:33):
to pet buck Bee.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
I mean, we don't think, I don't. I mean, we
don't know that that didn't happen, but I assume.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
That it didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
So yeah, like I never thought about that before. But
when I think about it, I have no idea why
buck beg needed to be there. I think this whole
thing is just a plot hole because he could have
just let buck be go the day that he attacked
my off and been like whoops was gone now. But
again Buckbeat says to the rest of the series, so
I understand why that's not how it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
Yeah, this, this whole thing is so wild to me. Off, Yeah,
if you think he's that dangerous, why are you going
to bring him into a courtroom? And then you know,
how does Hogwarts as a school not have some kind
of like lawyer or liaison to the Ministry of Magic.
They they have underage magic cases, they have all these
things that they're entangled with the Ministry, Like why is

(01:08:21):
Hermione having to come up with Bugbeak's defense? Why is
nobody why is no adult helping Hagrid.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Questions the need answers that unfortunately we don't have them.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
And why are parents or guardians not having to sign
waivers and stuff for them to even do any classes
at Hogwarts? But they have to for Hogsmeade because like
literally in their classes, they're repotting mandrakes who could kill you.
They're making the living the drought of living death that
could kill you. Right, there's basilists at the school like

(01:08:53):
why is this the thing that we're going to court over?

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Because Hogwarts safety is a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
Hogs me, it is like the least dangerous thing here,
and it's like you gotta you gotta get permission to
go to this village.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
But yeah, like you said, everything else meh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Speaking of dangerous things though, they do talk to Hagard
a little bit about Azkaban, and Hagrid describes He doesn't
describe the physical location of it, but he describes the
emotions tied to it, and and it's it really goes
to like it is feeling that really traps the prisoners
more than anything.

Speaker 5 (01:09:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Yes, it's out in an island at the middle of
the sea. Yes, the uh because I mean it is
it is loosely in some ways based on Alcatraz, which
is right around me, which is fascinating, and yeah, like
like that's not really the thing. It's the emotion. And
he talks about he was so sunk in his anguish

(01:09:53):
that he lost who he was and he began to
wish for death, and I man, I mean it's you
guys know. One of the reasons I like this book
and I think about this book a lot, and like
this book is one of my favorites too, is because
of dementors being this metaphor for depression, and especially long

(01:10:14):
term depression. How Hagrid describes this and then he talks
about when he's released, he feels like he's being born again,
and it really, man, it really does feel that way.
Like when I finally started treating my own depression after
I've had it for like fifteen years and I hadn't
done anything with it. Literally, it felt like I woke

(01:10:35):
up for the first time in like fifteen years. It
was crazy. And I think it's also interesting to talk
about how this mirrors Harry's negative feelings just a few
pages before, and then like to think about how Harry
in his anger and his rage also kind of sinks

(01:10:58):
to that level. I don't know if any of that
made sense, but in my head it like makes sense.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
Yeah, And I think I think especially with with this
being a work of fiction and it and it being
not like a stereotype but just I guess a type
of depression or like a symbol of depression here, you
know it seeing the immediate effects of I'm removing myself

(01:11:27):
from this situation of Azkaban. It's it is. It is
an immediate like wake up. I guess from that from
that situation, Whereas like obviously I don't know your situation, Allison,
but like for uh Muggle world people like us, that
is more of a work through that you have to

(01:11:47):
that you have to overcome and overcome and overcome and
then what all of a sudden one day, not like
you kind of look around and you, oh, I feel
better today, you know what I mean. So it's cool.
It's cool seeing like you know the mentors causing that
depression immediately removing it is an immediate relief. But that's
not That's not how depression works in our world. It

(01:12:10):
it's a it's a you. It weighs it ways, it weighs,
it weighs all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Yeah, rest though it was you work once the Medican
medicine kicked in. Though it was really it literally was
like night and day, like as soon as that started
kicking in and like processing, it was like people live
like this normally, Like this is what normal people experience.
What the heck? It was crazy?

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
It was wild. Okay, we are finally inching our way
closer to the tittle of this chapter. It is Christmas morning.
I have a question. It may be silly. The elves
are the ones that are delivering the presence, right, I would.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Assume it's just it's literally another one of those things
where it's like we find out and then we gotta
like retract like you said, you know, like you said
like during the Goblet of Fire Bye, based on the
entire book series, I would assume.

Speaker 5 (01:13:03):
I don't know what the other option is. I don't
I think that. I think the owls delivering them would
wipe them up. That also doesn't account for like people
sending presents before Christmas Day, like if they do, and
then you know, like the castle keeping them for the
students there, because like it matters on the students that
are going to stay there not I mean, we only

(01:13:24):
have a couple of students that stay over over Christmas here.
So yeah, I just just throwing that out. I'm assuming
it's not filch.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
If you imagine filter.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Like sneaking in, that's like the filter stole Christmas like that.
What if you woke up absolutely not doing that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
I wonder if thought waking up to filter hogling.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
The end of your bed.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
Yeah. The only close, I guess close scary thing to
that is Dobby just staring at.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
You, because Dobby, I mean, Dobby is small enough that
you could just be like I mean, I'm not saying
I would smack them, but I'm saying you could.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I feel like Filch is a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
I don't know, and I'm obviously getting like the face
of the actor in my head.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
But I wonder if they if they send notice.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
This of the parents and they're like, hey, you need
to have all your Christmas gifts sent by this time,
so we can so we can have the elves assort them. Oh,
I just made the connection of elves and Christmas.

Speaker 5 (01:14:36):
That's a.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Cute.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Yeah, that's exactly why Josh brought it up.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
I'm not firing all cylinders today. So I'm not a
big fan of like any of the other Weekley sweaters,
but this is one that would actually wear. The one
that Harry got is the scar one with the line
on it. I've never been like a sweater guy. Sydney
got me one last year. I wear it whenever it's
like fifty degrees and I don't hate it. So I

(01:15:10):
would wear I would. I would wear a Weasley sweater
with a line.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Bring me as many jumpers as I can possibly get,
because if I could wear them all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
I would, And what a great time because fall.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
Yes, I do agree though. This is a good one.
This is a good one, Josh, and I would like
this one too. I would also like one with just
an A on it, and I would like the one
that Harry gets with the snitch on it. The dragon
one is also pretty sweet. Actually, I just want all
of them, just giving them all.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Yeah, I guess I just would. I wouldn't want the
letter one. I wouldn't want a J on my chest.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
I want a J on your sweater.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
That's the only one I would wear.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
I would never walk around with a lion, yeah, obviously,
I think I would.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I wouldn't write with a badger either, so yeah, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I would wear the badger one I have. I do have.
I do have from the movies, the replica of hairy sweater,
and I also have a Hufflepuff quiddit jumper that I
never wear because it's yellow and I cannot wear yellow
with my skin tone.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
But I own Hufflepuff merch is just tragic unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
Yeah wow, I mean I personally look amazing and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Yellow and I okay jaundice as a baby beanca.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
No, no, I was. I do not own I own
not one Hufflepuff anything actually, but for now we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
I think you need to get yourself a hufflepuff Sweaterana.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
I would love one, honestly, as long as it's not
a yellow and black, because I can't do that bubble.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Bee it is. That's the problem. That's the other problem
is to be.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Like Yello or I could do like a yellow and white,
but I can't do like yeah, all right, then you.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Don't want that one anyway?

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
Do you know what Harry wants?

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Harry gets his dream broomstick, he gets the firebolt, and
I love it. It's such a good moment, such a
wonderful moment. And I do love too that. It's very
funny that we get these three very different reactions. We
get Harry, who like is focusing on the past and

(01:17:30):
the origin of this, right, like who gave it to me? Right?

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Who could have been? Was it Lupin? Was it Dumbledore?

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
That seems crazy, that seems absurd, right. Ron though, of course,
as he usually is, is more focused on kind of
the present and the future, and he's like, Novel's gonna
be so jealous, Griffin or Quiditch is gonna be great?
Can I have a ride on this?

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
He's really excited for that, and I think that's so
fascinating because that really does show a difference in their characters.

Speaker 5 (01:17:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
Harry has this this this depth of this tragedy and
this thirst for discovering the answers to mysteries because there's
so much about his past he doesn't know. But Ron,
who is a very typical teenage boy, right, is more
focused on the present and what's happening now and what
he could possibly be. And we even saw that with
the mirror of Avera said, right, where what Harry saw

(01:18:21):
on the mirror of Raa said was his past, what
Ron saw on the mirror of Averraa said was his future.
And then we get Hermione coming in, right, and Harry
can usually count Hermione being just as like, ooh, a mystery,
how are we gonna solve it? As he is, but
he literally says her reaction is a great surprise, right,
because she's like, this is a problem, this is dangerous.

(01:18:43):
She's seen the thing that neither of them has seen.
And of course she well, she's partially right, right, it's
not dangerous, but she is right that Sirius did send it.
But she I will one hundred percent defend Hermione's desay
here that like there was potential danger here and this

(01:19:04):
needed to be checked out.

Speaker 5 (01:19:05):
Yeah, as an adult, I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Yeah as a thirteen year old, if you're like.

Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I was, you know, what what are you talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Are you a nark?

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
Like? But we we we know now, like not even
now because of the series, but just now as adults.
Why Hermione's red flags are up? Because there are red
flags all over this the even you know, Ron is
an idiot for suggesting that Dumbledore or Loopen would give

(01:19:36):
a gift like this. It doesn't make any sense, but
he is working through liketeen year old logic. Yes it's yeah,
thirteen year olds are idiots, but the red flags are
apparent because the invisibility cloak. Dumbledore signed off on that,
like he signed, didn't like, did the the note say

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that it was from Dumbledore?

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
But the okay okay, okay, I thought that maybe he
signed the letter, but he said that this belonged to
your father, uh and passed it down back down to
you or whatever. So like there there's a note with
it that is an incredible gift that wasn't even actually
a gift. It was just a return to on them.

(01:20:24):
The fire bolt is an incredible gift. It is something
that we don't we really can't even put it into world.
We don't even know how much it costs. We just
know it's hundreds of gallons right price on request? Yeah? Yeah,
it says if you have to ask.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
You don't want to know, right, do you have to ask?

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
You can't afford it, Harry said. Harry didn't like to
think how much gold the fire bolt would cost, but
he had never wanted anything as much in his whole life. Now,
what about out the nimbus two thousand?

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
I mean McGonagall did order that for him?

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
Yeah, you think his own money, which is fine, right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
Did she we? I don't think we have that I
ever confirmed.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
I guess I did always. I did always just assume
that it was his own money. I don't think that
McGonagall would would have.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
I mean, I don't know McGonagall for a quidditch team
that would go as well as she'd be like throw
it down. Like Also, I've talked about this before. I
think she is very fond of Harry, even though she
doesn't outwardly show it. She she has a lot of
care and love for Harry.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Yeah, so I don't know. I guess we we don't,
we don't know. I always just assumed that that she
bought it using his money. But I guess somebody would
have had to sign off on it, like he would
have had to have known that his money would be
used for it. All right, I guess that makes sense anyway,

(01:21:54):
this broomstick is in credible. You know, we have the
we we have we have the flyer for it at
the beginning of the book. Now it is brand new.
That does make sense why Harry doesn't need to use
any of the magical where the maintenance kit that he
has for it, but still it says it's vibrating whenever

(01:22:17):
he touches it. So like, is this I don't know
why I'm so keyed in on that, but it's just
so different than anything else that we've seen, even even
from the nimbus. Is this just something that it's a
magical item that has so much that has so much
magic in it, and it is such a powerful we'll
say artifact. I guess that it wants to be rhythen

(01:22:42):
it knows what it was made to do. It has
so much power in it. I want to be written
I don't want to sit here.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
I feel like it's almost like a car that like
if you got close to the car with the key
in your pocket, it would automatically start. Like that's almost
how it feels. Is like as soon as you like
pick it up, put a hand on it, it like
automatically starts and it's ready to go. Yeah, and that
does say I think how powerful it is yea, Or.

Speaker 4 (01:23:08):
Like when the wand chooses you, like it's it's sensing
maybe your your want and need to write it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
Yeah, throw that out. Well, well, Marissa, I mean that's
a good point. We know that there are there are
wand qualities, whether it's wood or the core or whatever,
that the ones get bored if you don't challenge it,
if you don't use it, if you're not using like uh,
complicated magic. I guess I would say that they can

(01:23:37):
like combust I guess if you're not using them in
a way. And I really think that the fire bolt
could get in there in the into that kind of
that same methodology if they're if there's enough magic inside
of it and it's not being used. So now now
I'm wondering if in book five, when umbradge chains it up.

(01:23:58):
If that fire bolt is like losing its mind, trying to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:02):
Like st against whatever is holding it back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Yeah, I can ask if it's alive.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
No, but we probably should because it is it alive?

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
It is not. It is not alive, you know. I
don't know. But even even though it is new and
all these things it is, it is pretty incredible that
it's made with such craftsmanship that Harry can't find anything

(01:24:38):
wrong with it. There's not a a room like a
I don't know. I guess a piece of hay out
of line?

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Was it saying twig?

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
That makes sense to me because it's brand new. It's
not like it's not like this is after he's already
you know, used it. It should be perfect.

Speaker 5 (01:24:55):
He just got it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Well, okay, it's fresh from the box.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
But now why it's vibrating, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:25:03):
Well we just talked about that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Oh okay, okay, I'm just gonna shut up till we
get to the board.

Speaker 3 (01:25:09):
So anyway, so we get to Christmas and Christmas is
going good times, but Harry does notice that Scabbard seems
to be wearing thin. He's frightened, he's skinny, he's losing
patches of fur. And Ron's like it's because of kirk Shanks,

(01:25:31):
but Harry's like, yeah, I don't think she like you know, yeah,
which again is just our little hint that something else
is going on with scabbers there. I do have to
say when they go down to Christmas.

Speaker 5 (01:25:43):
Dinner, I do fight it can wait before we get
to Christmas dinner. Can I'll say something about the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Stab Yes, say say your piece.

Speaker 5 (01:25:51):
So, I mean we had we see scabbards and Kirk
Shanks have their little I guess scamper here. A little
like red hairring that sticks out is that the sneakerscope
falls out of the socks and it's going off. It's worrin.
They think that it's broken. They've always thought that it
was broken, but we know it's because there is a

(01:26:13):
lot of secrecy happening in is it secrecy censor? What
is it thecope?

Speaker 3 (01:26:19):
Yeah, Well it detects like concealment, and it detects deception, which.

Speaker 5 (01:26:25):
Is always a rat, which is why it will always
be going off. Yeah, because Peter is concealing his identity.

Speaker 3 (01:26:32):
Yeah, and because he's not who he says he is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Well, he didn't really say it was anyone, Well, squeak, squeak.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
He's living as a rat.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
In more ways than one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Well, yes, he's always a rat. I do find it
very endearing how Dumbledore at Christmas dinner shows so much
immense care for his students.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
He addresses one of these shy first years by name,
right and offers him these chipolatas, right, which is this
French sausage which I forget about every time. And I'm
was like, what are these like like Chipotle. I'm like, no,
it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
I'm surprised they didn't change that to something else for
the US version, Yeah, because they changed so many other
things like that that we wouldn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:23):
Yeah, But so I just I just find that very sweet,
right that, Like we talk about a lot, how like
Dumbledore like is not paying attention to Hogwarts as much
as you should sometimes. But it's like, but he does
know the kids' names, right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:36):
Well, I don't want I don't want to put a
damper on this period if I were Dumbledore. If I
were Dumbledore, I would want to know the students' names
in the in the castle. The fact that these are
first years and Dumbledore is who he is. I think
that it's more likely that we had six students staying home,

(01:27:56):
and so he was like, who are who's here? And
he was like, I want have to learn thirty new
names because I already know Harry, Ron and Hermione.

Speaker 4 (01:28:04):
So before they walk in, of like, tell me who
these kids are?

Speaker 5 (01:28:12):
What that one?

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
I mean, he's the head master.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
He's not like him knowing any No one human being
is going to know even half of these students.

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:28:24):
Actually a lot of the principles I've worked with know
a large majority, if not all, of the kids' names.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
Well, and there's not about many students.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
Something this is something that will never be able to
be proved. Yeah, and also like what is a large
I mean there's we don't we don't got to go
down this road. But I just think, what's what's his name?
Dumbledore is he's head master?

Speaker 5 (01:28:49):
I love that you're you're here, You're here, being like
this doesn't even matter what's his name? What's his name?

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
It was that that was that level of poetic justice.

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
Because all I wanted to tell you is yeah, this, yes,
you're right, it can't be proven. We're just talking about
two options. Okay, you're right, Bianca, you're right whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
All I'm saying is Dumbledore is headmaster. His number one
job is to delegate. His job is not to be
in the day to day lives of the student. He's
talking to parents, he's getting owls. He got philch coming
to him and Trelawney always coming to him with their
bs like he is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
That is not his job. That's that's just like the
CEO of a company.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
It's not though principles, It's not like being a CEO
because principles do have to be a little bit more.
I mean, they're not always listen. I have my complaints
about admin. I will complain about ADMIN all day long.
But they do have to be a little bit more
involved than like a CEO would be, and they have

(01:30:00):
to know what's going on and who people are a
little bit more because it's it is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
The CEOs do that too.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
I'm just saying to a certain I'm saying yea, to
a certain extent, like that's not you're If you are
the head of something, then that means you have people
to do like the day to day, whether we're talking
about a school, a business, whatever it is, because at
the end of the day, there's a bunch of things
that you are doing as a CEO or as a headmaster,

(01:30:28):
as a principal, that these other teachers are not doing.
Like it's not like, oh yeah, you don't do anything
but like sit around all day double doors out here
trying to figure out Oh no, and I sink the
entire worsarding world.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
He's out here researching horecruxes whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
I'm going to defend dumble Door any chance I get,
because I feel like people would just love to hate
on dumble Door.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
So there it is.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
Yes, I was trying to defend it by saying he
was being a good head master. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:50):
I think he is part of a headmaster or a
CEO's job to like shake hands and kiss babies. So
that's what he's doing here.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
Yeah, it's like that's like a twenty percent. Yeah, like
when I think about eighty twenty, I'm like, yeah, twenty percent.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Like be involved.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Make sure you are engaging before the most part, Like
you're the boss, you do the boss stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:31:09):
Speaking of Trelarney on her bull crap, when.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Nobody talk about Shilani, you've said it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:15):
You talked about Trelarney.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
You said, Trelanne that was.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Like seventeen sentences ago, like we we it doesn't matter what.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Happens just because I'm trying to segue and you just
want to run segue.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Okay, it was a bad segue.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Okay, let's talk about Shilanne though, right, because Trelawney shows
up and she's like, if I join this table, we
will be thirteen, and the first to rise will be
the first to die.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
And obviously we don't know thirteen. What Well, go ahead, Well, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
Thirteen has been considered unlucky for a really long time.
But we're really not sure why, right, Like, the reason
clear is not why. Some scholars think it might be
because the number twelve signified completeness in a lot of
different culture, right, twelve months of the year, twelve Greek
Olympic odds, twelve of Christ's apostles, twelve signs of the zodiac, right,

(01:32:05):
and so adding another disrupts that completeness. Other people think
it might be connected to like stories from Norse mythology
where there were thirteen guests at this party that Loki
arranged the murder of balder At. Or it might be
kind of related to the Last Supper in the Bible

(01:32:27):
where Judas who would betray Jesus was the thirteenth guest,
So thirteen is unlucky and we don't really know why.
It just kind of is, especially in Western cultures. And
the first to stand from the table is either Harry
or Ron, right, because technically they kind of stand up
at the same time, and Trelane's been predicting Harry's death
all year. But it also could have been a tidbit

(01:32:49):
because we know the author had originally planned for Ron
to die in book five, which would have been the
ring book to this book, and so if Ron had
died in book five, we would have had that prediction
come true from here, which is so fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:33:05):
Okay, what is I don't know what that means? Ring book?
Can you explain that?

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
Oh? Yeah, so ring theory is so uh this is
a big thing here on our podcast is books one
in seven are well, the whole series is what we
call a ring, right, They parallel each other, So books
one and seven parallel each other, Books two and six
and books three and five parallel each other, and four
is the turning point, so you get direct and also

(01:33:33):
every book is a ring. I think this actually might
be the turning Is this the midpoint chapter of this book.
I don't remember. It's close because Christmas chapters are usually
around the midpoint chapter of each book. So chapters one
and the first chapter in the last chapter will have
very strong parallels, like mentioning the exact same things sentences

(01:33:54):
in the same structure. So every book is a ring
as well, and then the whole series is a ring.
So the clearest one to see this in is Chamber
and Half Blood, where there are so many things that
are parallel to each other.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
And then okay, go ahead, I tell you. I thought
you're gonna start listing those, but I would think that
we need to. Uh it's about Bordem's memories. Uh malfoy,
Uh yeah, book this is This chapter is the center
point of Prisoner.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
It usually is Christmas chapters.

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
There's twenty two chapters, and yeah, twenty two chapters in Prisoner.
This is eleven. Yeah, okay. The only the only thing
that I want to throw out. We we we don't
have confirmation whether this is true or not, but because
of the crookshanks and scabbards kerfuffle, there is a possibility

(01:34:54):
that Ron would have had scabbards inside of his coat
and took him to Christmas dinner. If that it's the case,
when when Trelawny shows up, there is already thirteen at
the table. If if, if I understand, if Scabbards is
with if Peter Pettigrew is with Ron, there's already thirteen

(01:35:14):
at the table. The first person to rise is Dumbledore.
Dumbledore is the first person to die of all these
people at the I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
Guess you also have to ask if what does it
mean when like they're sitting together, because Skabbers is not
sitting there to dine, right like Scabers is not at
a chair at the table to dine, because that's what
it is. When thirteen dined together, the first to rise
will be the first to die.

Speaker 5 (01:35:40):
Yep, yeah, that's I think Trelawny is full of crap
always well, but that the only thing Ron could have
taken Scabbards to dinner because they are specifically talking about
how skinny he's been getting. So the way to the
way to fatten up a pet is to give them

(01:36:02):
people food. But would Ron take a rat to Christmas
dinner with Dumbledore and Thecgoneagle and then probably not?

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Well there there so we know there are mice there
that run out of the crackers that Harry is like,
that's gonna be missus Norris's Christmas dinner.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
So there you go. So just another possibility, and it
would it would track for Dumbledore's death.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Why did Trelawney ask about Lupin? I have no idea,
Like that felt extremely random to me. I was like
she got a little crush, Like why you imagine? Yes,
actually I can very much imagine Trelawney crushing on Lupin.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
And I don't even have a great reason why.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
But somehow, like if someone told me that word thing,
I'd be like, yeah, the fan, I can see that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
But I just thought it was so random.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
I was like, Okay, she didn't ask about Sprout, she
didn't ask about Like why did she even ask about Lupin.

Speaker 5 (01:37:05):
We have no.

Speaker 1 (01:37:06):
Evidence of like them ever, talking them being like close
for nothing, there's no connection to them ever.

Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
And I was just like Trelanni, My only my only
thought was that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
We I assume that some teachers leave Hogwarts for the
holidays as well, Like I guess we don't have proof,
but I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
Would assume that.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
So my only guess would be because like the teachers
just know, like who's still there, that would be it deal.
But yeah, when I heard that in the book, I
was like, why are you thinking about Lupin?

Speaker 5 (01:37:36):
Well, the reason I think that it's kind of weird
about Lupin is that doesn't Dumbledore clear it with the
professors of Hogwarts and tell them that Lupin is coming
and and talk about him being a werewolf Like I
don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
I think it's Snake for the only one that knows,
because he's making the postion for him.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
I don't think, yeah, they don't know me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
See if he says something about that, because remember, because
whatever Snape did, let it slip. I felt like they
said something about how the teachers were starting to treat
him differently.

Speaker 5 (01:38:11):
So Snape let it slip to mouth like to students,
what has happened? Yeah, sorry, sorry, I'm looking at exciting. Yeah,
me too, I've been looking in the last chap. I
don't know where I would have, you know, made that up.
I guess I really thought that there was a line
about how Dumbledore had discussed Lupin coming on to the

(01:38:36):
professors and if that if he did that, Trelawney asking
any questions about why Lupin's not there doesn't make any
sense because she, as divination professor, would know when the
full moon is and that's why Lupin's not here.

Speaker 3 (01:38:51):
Well she did, she did. She has talked to him,
right because she says at one point he practically fled
when I offered to Chris crystal Gate.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Yeah, true, true, Maybe she was, I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
And then did she also say something about how she
I don't know, something like she first saw his future
where something I don't think she does, something bad is
gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
But something along those lines.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
She says, I don't think we'll be with us, yeah
for very long?

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Yeah, yeah, So maybe that's why. Maybe maybe because that
was her prediction. She was wondering if it had already
come true.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
I'm not sure, and she's right, which makes me. That
always makes me question, do you think Trelawney knows about
the curse on the Dada position? Does she know about that?

Speaker 5 (01:39:35):
No? Even I don't think that she knows that it's cursed.
I just think that she knows that for the last
how like now it's stupid, but for the last twenty years,
there's been no there's there's been no like uh consecutive uh.
The Ada professor, you know, yeah, because and she's been
at Hogwarts for ten years since you know, since James

(01:39:58):
Lily Dodd. She's been there since the well not since
they died, I guess. But she's been there for at
least thirteen years, so she has experienced with at least
thirteen different professors in the DABA position. Okay, so at
this point, maybe it's not about the curse. Maybe it's
just like a which is mostly what she does is
being vague enough and using the information that she has,

(01:40:21):
though she is right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:22):
Sometimes right, like we do know she has it has
a little bit of power, but she doesn't actually have
like she doesn't understand it really it and it and
it's not what she thinks.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
She is what it is to be honest, I think
I think that if she and I don't know if she,
I don't know what her studies, education, divination, whatever looked like.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
But we obviously know that Tredlani like she does have
real predictions.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Now greaton too, but like even the one with like
you know, Neville, like breaking in the Glass, like like
Trelanni has predicted some things correctly. I think that if
she wasn't so caught up in trying to be the
super dramatic I know absolutely everything. I actually think that
she could, she could hone in on what her actual
gift is. But she's trying to be something she's not.

(01:41:07):
And so that's why it's she's she comes off as
a fraud.

Speaker 5 (01:41:11):
Yeah, I talked. I talked about this a couple episodes back.
It's she is. She is a good study of divination,
Like she understands the practical aspects of like using these
things and like whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
Well, and she does have some talent, it's just not
the talent.

Speaker 5 (01:41:32):
She's trying well, but she's trying too hard.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Yeah, but it's her grandma that she was like the
real So what I wonder well, I.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Think too, it's like the magical community's understanding of what
a seer should be and like everyone just thinking she
should be able to make condictions on demand, and it's like,
you know, you hear stand up comedians talk about like
I hate when people ask me to like tell me
a joke because it's not in the context and it
doesn't make sense, and it's like that's not what I do.
And I think it's kind of the same with her,

(01:42:05):
of like she has real talent but the way that
it comes out isn't the way that people expect it
to or want it to, which makes her feel like
she has to put on this air and be somebody
she's not.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Yeah, no, I completely agree, and that that actually brings
back the thought that I was going to say is
obviously we will never have any actual data about like
how many.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Predictions does a good seer see, you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
But at the end of the day, if any of
us made two prophecies and they were right, I mean,
we'd be like we're seers. Yep, yeah, yeah, it only
happened twice in thirteen years. But absolutely I am a seer.
So I completely agree with that. And unfortunately we only
have her in the book, so we don't we can't
actually make a comparison.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
But at the end of the day, she is a sier.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
But like you said, it's not in a context of
where of what we're used to, where like someone can
go pay her fifty bucks and be like tell me, yeah,
tell me what I'm gonna find my true love.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
It ain't like that's it's not that And I think too,
like there's a question of should divination even be a
class that you study like if you just have the
talent or not, if it's not something you can learn,
why are we even doing this?

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
Yeah, maybe maybe it's kind of like an Actually that's
a good point, because what I was gonna say is
maybe I don't think it should be a class that's
like graded on like how right you are? But I
can see it from the perspective of being a class
where you go in there to see, no pun intended
to see if you actually have the talent, because I guess,

(01:43:37):
like how would you know?

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
Yeah, other wors grading should in divination should be on vibes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Which because is what most kids think grading is, even
though it's not. This is the one class where grading
would actually be on vibes.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
I mean, I just feel like I feel like this
should be like a prerequisite, like if you're going to
get into this class, maybe you have to meet It
doesn't have to be true, Lawny, but you have to
meet with someone before to even see like, okay, do
you even have the makings of this, because I mean,
based on the books, I feel like it is very
much either you got it or you don't type of thing,
and who in the heck and nobody in the class

(01:44:17):
has it except for Toilanie, like no one else got it.
It could also be something just to maybe like here,
I'll show you what I actually do so that you
understand what this is, to maybe dispel some of the
uh the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
Like misconceptions about it. Like maybe that's that's being generous,
but like maybe that's why. I mean as an elective maybe,
but as a required class, well it's not required. They
get to decide.

Speaker 1 (01:44:42):
Yeah, yeah, I don't mean required, but I mean like
as like a like a class with grades, Like I
feel like the whole past fail thing, Like that's my
problem with it, right, Like this is like a class
where like you go in here to learn and explore,
not like oh well if you didn't if you didn't
see that key in the bottom of that was the
shape of this.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
But you know what I mean, that's like greeting somebody
on what you think the cloud is shaped?

Speaker 4 (01:45:05):
Like well, and there's no right answer either of like yeah,
you know, just how do you know someone saw what
they saw or didn't see what? Yeah, it's all so nebulous.

Speaker 1 (01:45:16):
Yeah, agreed, all right, Chris, Yes, so I feel like
the main question for this, Okay, I'm being kind of dramatic.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
But I feel like, what the main question here, Yes,
the main question for this entire chapter was her minding
wrong for snitching or nah?

Speaker 3 (01:45:36):
No, she's absolutely in the right here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Yep. Okay, Josh says, yes, all right. Interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:45:41):
I mean we've already had Harry's broom be jinxed, bludgers
be bewitched to harm him. I mean practically every quidditch
match he ends up in the hospital wing a freaking
diary last year caused all sorts of chaos. So I
think in the Wizarding World, like we really need to
know the origin story of these items.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
Yeah, especially one that's taking you like dozens of feet
into the.

Speaker 4 (01:46:07):
Air, that's already vibrating because it has so much power
that before you even have even started writing it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Yeah, like Harry and Ron, they just cannot see pass.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
Like I mean, I don't know, to me even if
I got something that, like I really really really, I
mean that's like imagine you find like a bag of
like thirty grand like yeah, you know what, Sure, you're like,
oh my god, money, but also you're like, somebody come
in for this money.

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's the show that
I'll be watching. Yeah, Like in my head, I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Like I need to flee the country like like like
like if I if I take this money, I'm out
like there.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
I'm not gonna like take this money and go home.
I'm never going back to my house after I take
this money, like ever, Like that's kind of how I.

Speaker 4 (01:46:54):
Feel about I feel like situation.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Really, I know, right, what don't you play?

Speaker 5 (01:47:01):
I feel like she's actually taken the money and it's home,
but now she's just trying to like throw people off,
Like if I didn't travel.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
So much, this is why I live abroad right now.

Speaker 5 (01:47:15):
Now that's it's not true, I will say the only
the only thing that I will ever point out that
that I wish Hermioney wouldn't have snitched is that they
typically try to solve their own problems. Now granted, I
think that this is Hermione like learning from her mistakes

(01:47:36):
of making her own polyjutic motion in book one to
figure Out if Malfoy is Book two, Yeah, to figure
outf Malfoy is the heir Slytherin. I think that this
is Hermione maturing and learning from mistakes. I would personally
as a reader. I would have liked to have seen

(01:47:56):
the three of them test out to see if they
can find anything wrong with them.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
See, but I think her mis when something is outside
of her expertise and outside of her abilities, and I
think this is is that case, right, And so that's
and Hermione doesn't have issues going to adults, right, Hermione
trust adults. She doesn't have trust issues with adults. So
she goes and is like, she's like, this is outside

(01:48:22):
of my realm of expertise. I need help. I'm gonna
go to McGonagall. And McGonagall is actually very kind about this, right,
Like she she's kind of excited about it.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
She looks at and she's like, wow, that's a nice perom.
I do have to check it though, but it's gonna
be safe and you'll get it back whence we make
sure it's okay. You know, the boys are just outraged
right that they don't see McGonagall is being very kind,
and you know, Hermione is being very brave actually because

(01:48:54):
Hermione also has some trauma around friendship, but she's confident
enough in this really relationship that she can stand up
and be like, no, I was worried about something. I
did what I thought was the right thing, and I'm
also confident enough that that's not going to make you
completely and totally drop me forever. Like she knows they're
going to be angry with her, because she like runs

(01:49:14):
over to a book and is holding it upside down, right,
like she's trying to hide for a second. But I
think she knows it's not gonna break us forever. Right,
You're gonna be mad at me, but you'll get over it.
And so I had to do what I had to do.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
See, I feel like McGonagall was not as nice as
she could have been here the way she's like, we
have to strip this thing down and it's gonna take
weeks and I don't know what's gonna happen, Like I
don't know. I felt like she could have been a
little bit more reassuring to Harry of like, I know
you want this before the next quidditch match. We're gonna
sort it out.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:49:49):
The words strip it down really really took me back.

Speaker 3 (01:49:53):
That is a little harsh.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
I mean, I mean, but like to the point you
said earlier, Marissa, like thinking about all the things we've
already seen happen with objects and Harry in particular. I mean,
to be honest, I feel like mcgonaga was very neutral.
I don't think she was particularly nice or particularly strict.
I am very very concerned about why it's gonna take
y'all weeks. That was really my biggest question.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
I'm like, why for what?

Speaker 1 (01:50:19):
Like, why is it going to take weeks for you
to like test this out? I don't that part to
me was that part to me was a little bit suspicious.
But going back to hermione and maybe this doesn't count
as snitching per se, but I like, I try to
think like myself in that situation, and I'm like, could
I see myself snitching?

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
But the thing is I would have told you that
I was gonna snitch, like I would have just straight
up been like, if you don't take that to McGonagall,
I'm gonna tell her, Like I like, I feel like
even that small thing could have made a difference, like
cause I do feel like you don't snitch on your friends,
but this was truly like, I am actually really concerned
for Harry's life, and Harry and ron y'all are kind

(01:50:59):
of being dumb about an object. I mean, it's like, oh,
shiny new broom. All common sense has gone out of
the window. But like I said, I do feel like
that she could have there could have been just something
in there that would have made it a little bit
less like and especially because she was like, oh, I'm
gonna hang back and talk to McGonagall that I didn't
like that, like, don't don't make a seat. Don't don't

(01:51:19):
because you told them you were gonna sench what you
didn't tell me that actually would have pissed me off
even more.

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
It's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna talk to McGonagall.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
They know you could have been like I'm gonna tell her,
and then at least they would have they wouldn't have
been so blindsided.

Speaker 4 (01:51:32):
I'm surprised they didn't catch that of like, wait, what
are you going to talk to McGonagall about? Why?

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
Ron says, she's probably asking if she could take more classes,
right exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:51:45):
Yeah. I don't think the McGonagall was was like really
anything other than just the McGonagall that we know. I
think that she came in very just matter of fact
of I had this information, let me look at it.
She's like on a FACTI fun mission kind of and
then like has made the decision. Now that the only thing.

(01:52:06):
There's two things I wish McGonagall would have done differently. One,
she did not have to throw Hermioney under the bus
under under no circumstance did she have to say Miss
Grainger told me about this. She could have just come
in and saw it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
I guess how else would she have known?

Speaker 5 (01:52:24):
Yeah, yeah, well they're getting ready to take it out
to the quidditch pitch. So like if they're all right,
if I were McGonagall, to save Hermione, hermione from like this,
like social whatever, Like they go back after Christmas lunch
and they're going to take the firebolt to the quidditch pitch.
It's why they're there, that's why they have it. So

(01:52:47):
if I were McGonagall, I would have just been on
the grounds, saw them out, saw Harry with a broom
and been like, they're not going to take.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
It out though. They're just sitting in the common room.
They're just chilling. They were just he and Ron simply
sat admiring it from every angle until the portrait hole opened.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
Well, Josh, I really like where you're going with that.
I just want to put that out there yeah, I
actually really love I really love that whole idea of
like we're not gonna, you know, we're not gonna make
you look like the bapper.

Speaker 5 (01:53:18):
I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
I thought that was sweet.

Speaker 5 (01:53:19):
They were eventually going to take it out to the
quiddage pitch, like if it's not today, it's tomorrow. So
I actually don't care what the book said, like they
were going to go out to the quiddagche pitch with
a broom that Harry doesn't have. So anyway, I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:53:36):
Know what the book says on this book club podcast,
all right, you tell me, I'm always gonna come in
with the book to be like, actually, okay, no, Josh,
what's your second thing?

Speaker 5 (01:53:48):
I'm done, I'm ready, I'm good, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
No, well, no, I want to hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:53:52):
Tell me. She could have said, like I want you
to have this room more than you want to have
this room, so like I'm doing this for your safety,
but like I want you to have this room because
it helps our I mean, she tells you.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
Say, I agree with that, because I would have shown empathy,
like listen, look like you mean kind of like a
little wink, right, like listen, listen, listen, we all want
this firebolt to come back safely.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
No, I can see that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:17):
Can you imagine if Oliver Wood stayed there for Christmas?

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Oh my gosh, all of us would have had a
freaking melt He does have he has a meltdown when
he hears about it. But if he had been there,
that boy would have been like passed out for a
full day, like he would have need to be revived.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
I love him, Yeah, I love.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Is never ending. Guess what I found? Guys though, as
we're here at the end your case photo. Yes, okay,
first of all, you are so cute in this photo.
First of all, I didn't even look at the cake.

Speaker 5 (01:54:58):
Look at Alison, look, look at the little pepper mounts around.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
It, because it's my birthday. Look, I even have the
page numbers. I even put the page numbers there. And
I think I was originally going to try and like
actually write the words, but then I was like, that's
too much.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
Listen, I feel I love that fireball, that broom. That
broom drawing you did is solid.

Speaker 2 (01:55:24):
But like I am behind this. If y'all listen.

Speaker 1 (01:55:28):
If y'all are not subscribed to get the video, you
need to subscribe, even if you do it for a month.
You need to subscribe just to look at this photo
because this is incredible. Thank you, Alison.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
You're welcome it. It is one of my favorite pictures
with me. It's a child. I'm not gonna lie. Yes,
we also need to thank Marissa for being here with
us today. So much for joining us. Go ahead, tell
our listeners where they can find you online so that
they can join you in on all your adventures here.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
Awesome. Yeah, this was so fun. Thanks again for having me.
I am on Instagram and TikTok at Magic with Marissa
and on YouTube Magic with Marissa Stevens. Come join the fun, all.

Speaker 5 (01:56:13):
Right, listeners. After you check out Marissa's social stuff, you
can come back to the podcast uh and listen to
our next episode, which will be a chapter revisit of
Gobble of the Fire Chapter four, Back to the Burrow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
I love that chapter and I actually think I'm on
that episode, So.

Speaker 5 (01:56:31):
I think so, I think I think you're I think
I think you're heavy in the next next few episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:56:37):
Well you know, so, all right, listeners, make sure you
also follow us on all of our social media channels.
You can find us at alohomra m in pretty much
everywhere or on Facebook at Open the Dumbledore.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
Yeah, so our our moments, our top moments that we're
voting on this week are our discussion with artist Kabukishi
or our episode with actor James moroy iHeart is voted
the favorite. Personally, I love James's episode because it was great. Yeah,
but make sure you come and you tell us which

(01:57:13):
which moments you think are the best, because we're we're
working through what's gonna be our top a little more
moment of all time. Yes, we are, Bianca and I
had so much fun putting that together.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
Oh my god, it's actually really fun, like going back
through them because even a lot of these episodes, this
is like before I was even like on the podcast,
So I'm even as I'm listening, I'm like, yeah, this
moment for sure, Like I'm I'm, I'm I'm enjoying casting
my own personal votes, and of course, everyone remembers to subscribe,
save and share this episode with all of your favorite

(01:57:43):
Potterhead furons. This has been episode four hundred and seventy
six of the final one hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:57:49):
I'm Bianca, I'm Allison, and I'm Josh. Thank you for
listening to episode four seventy six of Hellohmorra. Check your
brooin for jenss before you open the dumbledore m h
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Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
M hmm.

Speaker 8 (01:58:12):
Aloha Mora is produced by Tracy Dunstan. This episode was
edited by Catherine Lewis. Alohamra was co created by Noah
Freed and Cat Miller, and is brought to you by
A p W B d.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
LLC doumble or on Facebook at Tracy just take me
out of the dots. Just let me show up and

(01:58:46):
be I can't.

Speaker 5 (01:58:48):
I can't read, don't let me read, don't want to
be read on this book club?

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
I agree, I agree. Off of the dome, okay, like
the scripting is yeah, okay. Also, make sure you check
out our instagram to see which moment.

Speaker 5 (01:59:04):
On we believe in you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
You don't have to read this exactly this way.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
You can't, And Allison, that's the problem. This is the
conflict in my brain.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
Fifty percent of me is like, you need to make
this sound better, and the other fifty percent of me
is like, no, just read it. This is why I'm
struggling right now. No, I'm reading this verbatim. Make sure
you check out our instagram to see which moment our
discussion with artist Kazu Kibushi, or our episode.

Speaker 3 (01:59:37):
Sorry sorry Allison. Can you just read it

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