January 9, 2025 • 40 mins
In this episode, Roxanne Derhodge explores the concept of "Your Chakra Personalities" with Dr. Shai Tubali, discussing their origins and significance. They share personal experiences with yoga and delve into how identifying chakra personalities can foster a more authentic self. The discussion extends to applying chakra personalities in teamwork and corporate leadership, emphasizing the importance of inner stability and self-awareness. They also address the role of trauma identification and self-awareness in effective leadership. The episode concludes with insights into Dr. Shai Tubali's work and reflections on the topics covered.
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Welcome to Authentic Living with Roxanne, aplace where we have conscious conversations
about things that really matter in our lives.
And now here's your host, Roxanne Durhaj.
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Hi, everyone.
It's Roxanne Derrhodge of Authentic Living withRoxanne.
Thanks for, tuning in again today.
Today, I have a special guest, and he's gonnatalk about, some things that are quite
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interesting, that I don't think I've ever,covered before, about chakras and the real you.
And I think that's always something that we'reexploring and wanting to know.
So doctor doctor Shai Tewbally, doctor Shai,thanks for coming on today and and, spending
some time with us.
Hello, Roxanna.
I'm so delighted to be with you.
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Doctor Shah is like you know, he's in a placethat I'm wanting to go, so this is a a nice
thing.
He's in Portugal.
No doubt a beautiful day today.
So he has a PhD, an expert on mentalflexibility, and he has been in the fields for
quite a long time with methodologies fusingancient wisdom and modern science.
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And he's partnered with leading organizationinternationally, worked with cultures on of
innovation and adaptability.
Doctor Shai, I know your bio will tell us a lotmore.
But today, why doctor Shai is herepredominantly, not that his body work is not
immense, is to talk about his new book, YourChakra Personalities, ancient chakra system.
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And, doctor Shay, tell us a little bit.
What's the actual name of the book?
The book is titled your chakra personality, andit's indeed a a typology of personalities based
on the ancient chakra system.
And it actually follows from my previous bookpublished in in 2018 called the 7 chakra
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personality types.
So it's actually a certain field that I've beendeveloping for quite some time, and it's a it's
a kind of original addition to, the field ofchakras and also to the field of typology of
personalities.
So let's start really basic because I'm gonnasay that a lot of leaders are gonna say, unless
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they know your work or they do if they've kindof, worked within, Eastern philosophy and
ancient wisdoms, aren't gonna know a lot aboutchakras unless you're in that realm.
And I've gotta say that a lot of timescorporately, we think people we look at the
Myers Briggs and, you know, we look at thedisc.
We do all those personality types, but toactually look at the chakras is a different
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perspective.
So for for the average person that does notknow what a chakra is or a chakra, whichever
way you say it, Tell them what that is, doctorShay.
Well, let let's start by saying that thechakras are I think what I love about chakras
is, first of all, that it's, it's actually themost accessible, dimension of our subtle
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existence.
You see?
Because because there we can speak a lot about,spiritual, stuff, spiritual terminology, but
it's, that it's usually inaccessible to mostpeople unless they are highly practiced in this
field.
But chakras, everyone actually experienceschakras on a daily basis.
For instance, say everyone feels a heartbrokenfrom time to time, or they feel that their
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heart opened, or they feel suffocation in thethroat, or they feel, butterflies in the
stomach or shaky legs, all of which areactually indications of a certain, subtle
activity.
It's like a body within the body.
And, if you, slice the chest, which youwouldn't like to do that, hopefully, but if you
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did, you would never find a broken heart deepinside.
Right?
So that indicates that there is some kind ofsubtle activity, and that is what chakras are.
So they are a a kind of somatic tool becausethey have nothing to do with dogma or with
concept.
It's something that we experience deep withinour body.
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It's the body, that speaks to us.
And, in this regard, chakras, are a great greatmediators, great goal between connecting our
all our different dimensions, our physical,energetic, mental, emotional, spiritual,
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everything.
They are like the intersection, of of all thesedifferent, layers.
So it's I know that it's kind of, surprising tothink of our personality as something,
springing from our energy energetic system.
That's a a different perspective on thatbecause it actually tells us there are certain
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energy, or or certain forces, energetic forcesthat, are at play behind our personalities.
What we discover eventually on the surface isour personalities, our tendencies, our
passions, our limitations, our fears.
All of these are actually a a sort ofemanations of something, that is deeply
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energetic.
Fascinating.
So, like, figure though I have not read doctorShai's book, but now I'm gonna have to read
doctor Shai in
all fairness.
But okay.
So I am a hot yoga person.
I go to yoga and Oh.
You know, when we go in, like, I was there thismorning at 7 o'clock.
Right?
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And then you're checking in with your body.
Right?
You're checking in with the the somatic thefeeling part of your body.
Right.
Right.
And, you know, some days you go in.
Like, yesterday when I did it, it was a gentleclass.
It was anything but gentle yesterday.
I was like, why is it so hard?
It should have been a and today was a harderclass, but it was easy for me.
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So it like, to your point, we're constantlymoving.
But I'm interested in you unpacking for us theyou know, in the book about the personalities
associated with the chakras.
Right?
So you, you know, for everybody, it's like,there's the crown chakra, there's the throat
chakra, there's this sacral.
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Am I missing something?
Yes.
And then the last chakra is the the groundchakra.
Right?
Like, I don't know what that one's called.
Well, the the usually, they are, counted as 7.
7.
Okay.
That that's the most conventionalclassification, although some describe 5, some,
12, some 8, and so so on and so forth.
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So it's actually we, it depends on the specifictradition, and the specific purposes of, that
tradition.
Okay.
So your 7 is based on what tradition then,doctor Shay?
What is
it?
Again, it's it's the most widespread, and itoriginates from the tantric, Hindu tradition.
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Okay.
Okay.
So with the person that would be in the book,is there an assessment that you walk people
through?
That way they actually find out their typology,I'm gonna say, if that's the word.
Yeah.
So give me an can you give me an example ofkind of what someone would walk through to in
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order to get through get to the to theirtypology of chakra?
Yes.
I I think that that that's a very importantpoint because because, actually, this is partly
what distinguishes the system from other,typologies of personalities.
Because usually, first of all, you have on theone side, you have a astrology or numerology,
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and you simply insert your numbers and youreceive some kind of some kind of description
of who you are.
So you're in a way being told who you are.
On the other hand, you have all those kinds ofpersonality tests that help you evaluate your
personality.
So what is so fascinating about this kind of,of process is first of all, that it's, it's
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based on an intuitive and direct system becauseit's something that is in your body.
It's not a concept that you're being given fromabove or, but it's from deep within you.
So it's very intuitive.
And second, it requires a gradual and excitingand sometimes challenging process of self
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discovery.
So, because it's all about digging your trueself from beneath, social conditioning and the
and all kinds of pressures and the way youshape your personality around certain pressures
in your life.
So this process, first of all, reliescompletely on just reading, the book.
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So you don't need any expert helping you tohelping you to to find out.
And, actually, it's all about how you arecoming into contact with your own essence.
Mhmm.
So, then there are all sorts of, processes.
First of all, there is the most preliminaryone, which is a questionnaire.
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And the questionnaire, it's a it's a 25,question, quiz.
And it's all about, helping you identify allyour, deeper passions or the ways you perceive
life or interpret life or how you experiencethings, what are the what the most active part
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of your being is, the way you get to knowothers, the way you like to spend your time,
the way you communicate with the world, you andand so on and so forth.
Or how what you do when you have a negativeemotion, how you handle it.
Do you analyze it?
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Do you experience it fully?
Do you try to avoid it to, to transcend,through some kind of meditation?
And then there is a, the percentage evaluation.
This involves reading each description of thetypes of the 7 types very carefully and
gradually, assessing in percentage how much youevaluate the presence of that certain
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personality type in your being.
So some people discover that they are 100% acertain type.
And that actually, feels like coming home toyourself.
And some have it more challenging.
They are competitive chakras.
And this is because there are actually 3chakras that, in their interplay form our
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personality.
So so there is a primary one, a supportive one,and the secondary one.
So this is very fascinating because it is aprocess in which one you need to define your
deepest passions, your deepest type ofhappiness.
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Because in this system, there are actually 7types of happiness.
No one happiness that is right for all.
And second, you need to tap into your life'stheme.
Life's theme is like your most fundamentalfriction with the world.
Your most fundamental conflict that you'veexperienced since you can remember yourself.
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And then there are all sorts of, writingpractices that help you, define the specific
experience of life and and what it means to beyou.
So so this is a very, fascinating and intricateprocess, that eventually, lead you leads you to
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to that kind of self definition.
And based on this self definition, you areactually able to to answer many fundamental
questions that you have about your life'sdilemmas, choices in life, and, and how to
balance your being.
So Interesting.
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Very fascinating because as a psychologist,that's what people come would come
to me and
practice for.
Right?
Because what is my true essence?
Right?
Like, so people would be let's say they're insenior management, for instance, Shay.
They come in and they and they want to get tosenior VP and but maybe they're female and they
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just had a young family.
But their family, they wanna be with theirchildren, but they also are diametrically
opposed because they're on a plane or a trainkinda in their position, and they're very, very
unhappy.
Most people come in with these kind of, I'mgonna say, conundrums and then ready to start
to unpack it to recognize maybe they're out ofalignment.
And it sounds like your system is kind ofhelping them hone down that much more into,
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like you said, who am I?
Like, who am I?
Because, you know, the who am I answers a lotof questions.
But we we play a different a lot of differentrules, like you say, for society.
That's so that's so brilliantly put.
Yes.
Thank you.
Because you see, there is a a tremendousdifference between self image.
Self image is 1, the the way we want to think,about ourselves.
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And, and this self image is often actuallyborrowed from, other people's expectations and,
some kind of social adjustment or a certain,even sometimes a certain fear of, of truly
pursuing who we are, our passions.
So and so there is a self image, and then thereis our deepest passions.
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And sometimes we can, by the way, discover themby thinking about what people tell us that we
should stop being or doing.
You should stop doing that.
You should stop being so dreamy.
You should stop being so ungrounded.
You should stop actually also being soambitious.
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Sometimes people want us to be their chakratypes, their personality types.
And it's it's so it's actually a very gentleprocess in which we finally come, into contact
with what truly makes us happy.
So that might not align with people with otherpeople's ex, expectations or even with our
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current work.
So that's actually the very beginning of aprocess in which we come closer to
authenticity.
Right.
And which is what I talk about a lot aboutwith, in my work is about leader know thyself,
right?
If I know who I am and then hopefully thatforce field around me reverberates back the
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kind of leader I wanna be, but what happens,and I'm interested with your, this work, what
that you're doing and the work that you'redoing in your space, that oftentimes is an
incongruence with what the leader wants toachieve.
The tactical let's say there's a revenue growthof, say, 20% in the next fiscal year, But it's
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an out of alignment of what this leader isabout, and then in turn, they have to motivate
their team.
And that's oftentimes where I find a lot ofleaders end up suffering.
So I'm just wondering with your shock system,do you work with with leaders alone?
Do you work with leaders and their culture?
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How do you kind of work with the shocker systemor psychology with systems like companies?
Yes.
That's a very good question because, first ofall, there is, there is 1, the aspect of
teamwork.
Now teamwork, actually works best when youidentify, each individual's chakra type, which
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means that you have the right expectations fromthe the right people.
Otherwise, if we want, certain people to bewhat they're not, they will not be able to
function optimally.
On the other hand, if you are able to pinpointeveryone's, say, charter personality types, you
will be able to allocate the right assignmentsor the right roles to to to each person.
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And then they will feel so harmoniouslypositioned and will be able to actually
contribute their true gifts to to the rest ofthe team.
So for me, an ideal kind of teamwork is wheneveryone is positioned according to the chakra
types and also that everyone is recognized fortheir true gifts and truly appreciated.
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And not just a criticized for not being able toprovide this or to provide that, but, being,
actually, this is, by the way, applicable alsoto relationships, partnerships because that
that's that's a whole,
That's a whole other big conversation, whichmost of the world is trying to figure out at
any given point, doctor Jay.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
And the, the second, dimension is the dimensionin which, we need to also identify our unique
kind of, leadership.
Because if you are, for instance, a heartchakra personality type, which means that you
are a heart centered personality, you will haveactually very different things that you really
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care about or that, make you feel fulfilled orthat guide you as your set of values.
So because you will be more interested in inharmony, peace, in creating a certain a
certain, level of intimacy and being guided byaltruistic motivations and by by really, doing
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good, benefiting others.
So it's so it's going to be very personal andvery intimate and often, by the way, a one on
one kind of of exchange rather than a a massinfluence.
So if you identify yourself as such, you willfinally be able to relax into this kind of
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personality, and really discover that yourheart, which is often identified as a very
vulnerable place to lead from is actually asource of power.
So, so just recently I actually said, it was a,there was a program or, for leadership, a
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program for, leading executives.
And I sat in front of someone and a certainexecutive.
She, and she was describing her experiencebeing guided by her emotions.
And I told her, look, this is actually yoursource of power.
Don't think of this as a source ofvulnerability.
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You don't need to protect it.
You don't need to become ambitious in order tobe a great leader.
Your heart can be, can have its own ambition.
So that's a very important, example showing usthat as soon as we really accept our innate
design, we align with it and we find in it ourtrue source of power and not the source of
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power that society endorses such as ambition,financial growth, or or whatever.
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here for a secbecause some industry, no they're already not
looking for alignment.
Right?
So let's say I'm a leader.
I'm heart centered, and I talk a lot about thisin my ROR.
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Right?
Yes.
I'm connected to my heart.
It has to be in alignment with the goals of thecompany, but it also has to align me with what
I value and what I believe and how I'm gonnaconnect with each person on my team.
Let's say, 10, 20 people.
And at that point, if the company's vision ormission or goals are out of alignment, and it's
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really puts me in a point where I'm maybesecond guessing my integrity or why I'm doing
what I'm doing.
Mhmm.
I may I may be misaligned potentially as aleader, and it may be that a lot of leaders, if
they go through these types of things, theyeither write it to make the company be in
alignment with them and their objectives andtheir teams, or you're probably changing houses
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potentially.
Would is do you agree with that?
Like, a lot of this if you're, like,introducing this, and let's go to the unique
design or authentic design for Roxanne, andit's, oh, boy.
Roxanne doesn't fit, this particular role.
Could be that people are kinda jumping ship orbeing misaligned where they can't find that
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same grounding.
True.
Yes.
And first of all, we need to, to understandthat, that sometimes people try to fit into
certain environments that actually do not leadto to their profound sense of self fulfillment
or happiness.
And and that that actually sometimes requiresus to take that kind of bold leap and to to
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leave that kind of environment behind.
Otherwise, we're going to pay a heavy price.
We're just not going to be ourselves.
So we're going to be some kind of, of somethingfor, for some people, but we will, not have
that kind of a profound satisfaction.
If I may use the term soul satisfaction, onlyin the sense of deep satisfaction that that
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touches the core of our being and makes usfeel, well, that we really want to wake up in
the morning and to and to get work.
Skip it or step and let it out and get out thatdoor or or come downstairs to our office.
But this doesn't mean that that we cannot, findways as soon as we finally, get to know who we
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truly are, find ways, wise ways to translatethese kinds of of innate passions into,
languages that other people can appreciate andrecognize.
You see, because if you learn what your giftsare, then you can actually find those places
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where other people cannot have that kind ofintuitive or spontaneous experience or
recognition and help them with your own missingpiece, with what you have in abundance.
So I think that, that unless you, you are in anenvironment where bosses are really oppressive
and they really want to, to impose their chakratypes on everyone else, I think that, that we
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could find wisely, those, our place in thepuzzle, our place as the missing piece.
Like you said, home.
Right?
You find your home because now you understandyour inner space or your inner design and you
what the position that you lead how you leadwill translate from that knowing.
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And you may have to change environments, butyou will probably be in alignment with your
soul if you find the right environment.
Yes.
I'm curious.
Yes.
What kind of companies are wanting to do thiskind of work?
Because at the end of the day, and I I alwaysgo since mental well-being and psychological
safety and all those things have come toforefront.
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I've been obviously in this field for about 30years of psychology.
And when I was in corporate, doctor Shay, theyweren't talking about that.
It was like, get it done, you know, get it donetomorrow.
Don't take your breaks, all that kind of stuff.
And now we're realizing that your human capitalis the biggest fund that you need to focus on.
Out there in in Portugal and in Europe, do youare you finding that there's more of an
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appetite for what this level of authenticdesign in leaders?
Yes.
That's a wonderful point.
Well, I work for for in collaboration withcertain consultation companies.
Consultation companies that are that areuniversal or or worldwide.
Actually, yes.
Some of which are American based and some Swissbased.
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And and what I've come to discover in thesethese kinds of programs, is that that, they
are, I think, increasingly eager leaders andcompanies that find that without this kind of
deep internal work, this growing awareness,they they are not able to manage well.
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And that they are actually prone to all allkinds of emotional outbursts and the and the
breakdowns, mental breakdowns, and and and allsorts of of unconscious forces that that lark
deep within their minds and and hearts.
So I've discovered that that many areinterested in deep therapeutic processes, for
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instance, understanding themselves.
And above all, I would say, reaching thatfeeling of self love from which they are able
to become softer manager, which paradoxicallyimplies better managers.
I think that that we're discovering the powerof softness, the power of vulnerability.
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And so so I'm actually optimistic because thisseems to be, a widespread, phenomenon.
Absolutely.
And then none of the days where you have theautocratic top down kind of scenarios.
In some industries, it's still like that, but Ithink a lot more industries are recognizing.
Like I said like I said, the pandemichighlighted that if you want to really keep
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your top performers and really understand themand what is their world about, that what we
realized it was more important to understandwhat they're going through in their families
or, you know, maybe they're dealing with agingparents like I'm dealing with a a mom that's
not what you're wanting to know those thingsbecause those are the things that were the
delineating factors to say, I think I'd like todeal with doctor Shane now because he
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remembered something that was not related justto business, but I matter.
And that's what I find in the work that I do.
That's what a lot more leaders are recognizingthat they need to do, but maybe intuitively
that it feels better when they know their teamsindividually and collectively.
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And like you said, personality wise, if I'm anextrovert, that's one thing.
I'm always talking.
But what about the other people that areworking just as hard, but you're not
acknowledging them?
So lots of different things that I think we'velearned about us wanting to be seen.
Yes.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I think that that in these days, which arewhich pose in increasing demand for, for
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flexibility, for quickening of our ability toresponse, for facing endless innovation and the
and the turbulent world and unstableenvironments, we, without this kind of
component of the of some kind of innerstability that, is the result of awareness, We
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are actually we become very we are perhapsfunctional.
We're perhaps able to react quickly, but, well,deep down, something, eats up eats us up from
within.
You see, because we are unable to truly havethat kind of mind and heart that, that are
swiftly aligning with the change and, andactually are change endorsing.
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Right.
And, you know, I was on a a professional callearlier, and we're talking about the leadership
and trauma informed leadership Uh-huh.
Functional freeze.
Right?
And functional and functional freeze is I'mgonna assume doctor Shay knows what I mean, but
for anybody that doesn't know what that meansthat I'm able to work under pressure and get
things done.
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But what happens is that adaptive behavioreventually catches up with me.
And if you think of the chakras from some ofthe let's say I'm the type that my history is I
never spoke my words and but I've been quitefunctional and been able to perform, but then
eventually, let's say, I keep losing my voiceor maybe I develop polyps in my throat, the
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mind and the body are speaking to each other,and it just is so much this is so fascinating
with what you're talking about because when thewhen the energy flow or the chi is out of
alignment, what happens?
Where did where where does the energy pool whenthe body says, what about me?
What about me?
So this is this is fascinating work that you'vedone, doctor Shay.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
Because, by the way, in intriguingly, the whenit comes to chart to traumas, traumas are are
we all know that traumas are somehow stored inthe body.
But there are certain areas in our body that,in a sense, remember the trauma, more than
others.
And those parts are are the chakra related,aspect of of trauma.
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So one, one practice that can, that I caninvite our dear listeners to do is, is think of
a certain situation in your life, a certain,probably current situation, or perhaps an
unresolved situation from your past.
Just think about it.
You can even write down some thoughts about it,some feelings, think of related events, and
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then start feeling, getting in touch with theemotions that you have about that kind of
situation.
What does it feel like?
And then close your eyes and, and ask yourselfwhich area in my body has now become most
active as a result of that kind of recollectionand the contemplation.
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And this is really astounding because there'salways, one part of the body.
Sometimes it's the forehead.
For instance, sometimes it's the throat.
Sometimes it's the heart.
Sometimes it's, the upper abdomen or the legsand so on and so forth.
And, that is already a reflection of a chakraactivity.
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And when you learn what the, what themes areinvolved in each chakra, you are immediately
able to pinpoint the, the sources of your, ofyour blockage.
What actually concerns you?
What you need to, what kind of life lesson youneed to face if you really want to, to
transform that, that deep sensation that by theway, when unresolved, can easily developed into
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some sort of psychosomatic disorder, as youjust mentioned.
So so that's why chakras are related to health,to our life force, whether it is, high or low
and, but also to our emotional health, to ourmental quiet.
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So, so they are a multifaceted system.
And when we learn to master them, that's, animportant key to to actually day to day
awareness as leaders.
Amazing.
I feel like you're so in alignment with what Iteach, but what you I I look at communication
awareness, decision making, recognition, andconnection, which are all fundamentally
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elements to lead.
But what you're doing is you're pinpointing itthat much more and then spotting for the leader
to if I think I would be this is my perceptionagain.
Like, my image, I think that would be a heartchakra person.
And but it's interesting.
What would my team feel about me?
Right?
That's what I do when I do the assessment.
So I think the interplay of what you do andwhat I do would be quite fascinating because
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you're getting drilling down.
I'm gonna say you're drilling down to thecellular level to some degree on the somatic
level.
And when you when you go there, then, you know,what are the blockages that that potentially
people could clear in order to be open toleadership, which is and you're singing to the
choir here, but I I think why not, if you'regoing to lead, be the best version of yourself.
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And it may not be just at work.
It could be at home.
It could be in your community.
It could be on your football team.
It could be anywhere, but you're learning aboutyourself and kind of creating that legacy of
leadership within yourself.
Exactly.
Well, that that's really wonderful.
Sometimes I think, we are told learn to loveyourself or to accept yourself.
But we, first of all, need to know what self weare supposed to love.
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Otherwise, it's some something very vague.
And sometimes it's, it's actually, notourselves that we are trying to love, but some
kind of self image or some kind of socialsocial adjustment we've learned to to to create
as a result of some kind of defense mechanism.
So we need to really get into touch with thatkind of tender yet powerful aspect, which is
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our most authentic, passion and, which, andthat also means our most powerful form of
leadership.
And when we position ourselves in it, thatbecomes a sort of a source of, of radiation or
a sort of a source of emanation that, helpsother, benefit from our natural, natural self,
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from our natural qualities that we, that weknow best to pursue and to, communicate.
And, I talk a lot about, adult attachmenttheory in my book, which is, I often say that,
when the, the person comes into the world, theyare a tabula rasa and then they get, my thing
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is that they get pricked and prodded byperceptions and roles and and the safety of
their all so many things go into that and thenwe develop based on where we have to protect
against or where we have to accentuate.
So it's this is almost like you're going in andyou're doing an autopsy and you're
reconstructing to be the purest form of who youwere meant to be from inception.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
Out into the world in whatever bright light youneed
to.
Exactly.
I think you and I could probably talk for hoursbecause this is the place I like to hang out.
I agree.
For for leaders that are thinking or peoplethat are thinking in general that they want to
learn more from you, or they want to connectwith you to have consult or the other work that
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you do, tell everybody where they can get ahold of you.
And also the name of the book, and we'll have alink to the book in the show notes so that you
can also just go ahead and order the book fromeither Doctor.
Shay's site or on Amazon.
Yes.
First of all, there is the book, your chakrapersonality, and it's which is a sequel to the
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7 chakra personality types, although it is acompletely self contained kind of book, so you
don't need to rely on that previous book.
And and this one is available everywhere onAmazon.
It is published by publishing house byLlewellyn worldwide.
So it is, it is really available everywhere.
Second, there there is my official website,which is shytubali, s h a I tubali.com.
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And, this website, includes the upcomingevents, including, my professional training
for, chakra informed, coaching and therapy.
So that is highly relevant, I believe, in inour context of discussion.
And, there's also if you're interested, in justexploring a little, there is my YouTube channel
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under my name, and it includes, well, over 800videos, containing numerous guided meditations
and explanations about the the method and othermethods and how we can integrate self awareness
practices into our daily life.
So there's plenty of material to to start with.
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And I I was checking it out, so I I could tellyou that I I enjoyed it.
By all means, go and check it out.
So what am I walking away with?
I think I'm walking away with as leaders, weall want to be the best versions of who we are
meant to be in the world in whatever capacitywe're leading.
And what doctor Shay is sharing with us is thatthat's possible.
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You you are walking around with every tool inyour body.
It's just about learning to listen in a way tothe body because it's I call it spiritual
whispers that the body is giving you.
So it's tap, and most of us can kind of flit itaway.
It's a thought.
I can I can let that go?
Like, it's a feeling.
I can let that go until the doc says, you needto come and see me for x y z.
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That kind of brings it to the body.
And from what doctor Shay is sharing is this,you have the information.
You can learn what you need to do to heal yourbody or to at least listen to the body so you
can prevent it from anything further happening.
Reach out to doctor Shai.
Either way, I hope, people connect with him,and thank you again for tuning in.
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And if you're wanting to know more about, theROR, just go to roxanderhodge.comforward/quiz.
If you wanna know how authentically connectedyou are in your relationships, either at work
or at home, we'll send you through a littlereally quick quiz, and we'll send you some
recommendations with next steps.
So, again, doctor Shai, thanks so much.
And for everybody, thanks for hanging out withus again, and we'll talk to you next week.
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Hi, everyone.
It's Roxanne Derrhodge of Authentic Living withRoxanne.
Thanks for, tuning in again today.
Today, I have a special guest, and he's gonnatalk about, some things that are quite
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interesting, that I don't think I've ever,covered before, about chakras and the real you.
And I think that's always something that we'reexploring and wanting to know.
So doctor doctor Shai Tewbally, doctor Shai,thanks for coming on today and and, spending
some time with us.
Hello, Roxanna.
I'm so delighted to be with you.
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Doctor Shah is like you know, he's in a placethat I'm wanting to go, so this is a a nice
thing.
He's in Portugal.
No doubt a beautiful day today.
So he has a PhD, an expert on mentalflexibility, and he has been in the fields for
quite a long time with methodologies fusingancient wisdom and modern science.
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And he's partnered with leading organizationinternationally, worked with cultures on of
innovation and adaptability.
Doctor Shai, I know your bio will tell us a lotmore.
But today, why doctor Shai is herepredominantly, not that his body work is not
immense, is to talk about his new book, YourChakra Personalities, ancient chakra system.
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And, doctor Shay, tell us a little bit.
What's the actual name of the book?
The book is titled your chakra personality, andit's indeed a a typology of personalities based
on the ancient chakra system.
And it actually follows from my previous bookpublished in in 2018 called the 7 chakra
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personality types.
So it's actually a certain field that I've beendeveloping for quite some time, and it's a it's
a kind of original addition to, the field ofchakras and also to the field of typology of
personalities.
So let's start really basic because I'm gonnasay that a lot of leaders are gonna say, unless
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they know your work or they do if they've kindof, worked within, Eastern philosophy and
ancient wisdoms, aren't gonna know a lot aboutchakras unless you're in that realm.
And I've gotta say that a lot of timescorporately, we think people we look at the
Myers Briggs and, you know, we look at thedisc.
We do all those personality types, but toactually look at the chakras is a different
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perspective.
So for for the average person that does notknow what a chakra is or a chakra, whichever
way you say it, Tell them what that is, doctorShay.
Well, let let's start by saying that thechakras are I think what I love about chakras
is, first of all, that it's, it's actually themost accessible, dimension of our subtle
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existence.
You see?
Because because there we can speak a lot about,spiritual, stuff, spiritual terminology, but
it's, that it's usually inaccessible to mostpeople unless they are highly practiced in this
field.
But chakras, everyone actually experienceschakras on a daily basis.
For instance, say everyone feels a heartbrokenfrom time to time, or they feel that their
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heart opened, or they feel suffocation in thethroat, or they feel, butterflies in the
stomach or shaky legs, all of which areactually indications of a certain, subtle
activity.
It's like a body within the body.
And, if you, slice the chest, which youwouldn't like to do that, hopefully, but if you
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did, you would never find a broken heart deepinside.
Right?
So that indicates that there is some kind ofsubtle activity, and that is what chakras are.
So they are a a kind of somatic tool becausethey have nothing to do with dogma or with
concept.
It's something that we experience deep withinour body.
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It's the body, that speaks to us.
And, in this regard, chakras, are a great greatmediators, great goal between connecting our
all our different dimensions, our physical,energetic, mental, emotional, spiritual,
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everything.
They are like the intersection, of of all thesedifferent, layers.
So it's I know that it's kind of, surprising tothink of our personality as something,
springing from our energy energetic system.
That's a a different perspective on thatbecause it actually tells us there are certain
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energy, or or certain forces, energetic forcesthat, are at play behind our personalities.
What we discover eventually on the surface isour personalities, our tendencies, our
passions, our limitations, our fears.
All of these are actually a a sort ofemanations of something, that is deeply
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energetic.
Fascinating.
So, like, figure though I have not read doctorShai's book, but now I'm gonna have to read
doctor Shai in
all fairness.
But okay.
So I am a hot yoga person.
I go to yoga and Oh.
You know, when we go in, like, I was there thismorning at 7 o'clock.
Right?
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And then you're checking in with your body.
Right?
You're checking in with the the somatic thefeeling part of your body.
Right.
Right.
And, you know, some days you go in.
Like, yesterday when I did it, it was a gentleclass.
It was anything but gentle yesterday.
I was like, why is it so hard?
It should have been a and today was a harderclass, but it was easy for me.
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So it like, to your point, we're constantlymoving.
But I'm interested in you unpacking for us theyou know, in the book about the personalities
associated with the chakras.
Right?
So you, you know, for everybody, it's like,there's the crown chakra, there's the throat
chakra, there's this sacral.
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Am I missing something?
Yes.
And then the last chakra is the the groundchakra.
Right?
Like, I don't know what that one's called.
Well, the the usually, they are, counted as 7.
7.
Okay.
That that's the most conventionalclassification, although some describe 5, some,
12, some 8, and so so on and so forth.
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So it's actually we, it depends on the specifictradition, and the specific purposes of, that
tradition.
Okay.
So your 7 is based on what tradition then,doctor Shay?
What is
it?
Again, it's it's the most widespread, and itoriginates from the tantric, Hindu tradition.
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Okay.
Okay.
So with the person that would be in the book,is there an assessment that you walk people
through?
That way they actually find out their typology,I'm gonna say, if that's the word.
Yeah.
So give me an can you give me an example ofkind of what someone would walk through to in
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order to get through get to the to theirtypology of chakra?
Yes.
I I think that that that's a very importantpoint because because, actually, this is partly
what distinguishes the system from other,typologies of personalities.
Because usually, first of all, you have on theone side, you have a astrology or numerology,
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and you simply insert your numbers and youreceive some kind of some kind of description
of who you are.
So you're in a way being told who you are.
On the other hand, you have all those kinds ofpersonality tests that help you evaluate your
personality.
So what is so fascinating about this kind of,of process is first of all, that it's, it's
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based on an intuitive and direct system becauseit's something that is in your body.
It's not a concept that you're being given fromabove or, but it's from deep within you.
So it's very intuitive.
And second, it requires a gradual and excitingand sometimes challenging process of self
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discovery.
So, because it's all about digging your trueself from beneath, social conditioning and the
and all kinds of pressures and the way youshape your personality around certain pressures
in your life.
So this process, first of all, reliescompletely on just reading, the book.
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So you don't need any expert helping you tohelping you to to find out.
And, actually, it's all about how you arecoming into contact with your own essence.
Mhmm.
So, then there are all sorts of, processes.
First of all, there is the most preliminaryone, which is a questionnaire.
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And the questionnaire, it's a it's a 25,question, quiz.
And it's all about, helping you identify allyour, deeper passions or the ways you perceive
life or interpret life or how you experiencethings, what are the what the most active part
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of your being is, the way you get to knowothers, the way you like to spend your time,
the way you communicate with the world, you andand so on and so forth.
Or how what you do when you have a negativeemotion, how you handle it.
Do you analyze it?
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Do you experience it fully?
Do you try to avoid it to, to transcend,through some kind of meditation?
And then there is a, the percentage evaluation.
This involves reading each description of thetypes of the 7 types very carefully and
gradually, assessing in percentage how much youevaluate the presence of that certain
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personality type in your being.
So some people discover that they are 100% acertain type.
And that actually, feels like coming home toyourself.
And some have it more challenging.
They are competitive chakras.
And this is because there are actually 3chakras that, in their interplay form our
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personality.
So so there is a primary one, a supportive one,and the secondary one.
So this is very fascinating because it is aprocess in which one you need to define your
deepest passions, your deepest type ofhappiness.
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Because in this system, there are actually 7types of happiness.
No one happiness that is right for all.
And second, you need to tap into your life'stheme.
Life's theme is like your most fundamentalfriction with the world.
Your most fundamental conflict that you'veexperienced since you can remember yourself.
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And then there are all sorts of, writingpractices that help you, define the specific
experience of life and and what it means to beyou.
So so this is a very, fascinating and intricateprocess, that eventually, lead you leads you to
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to that kind of self definition.
And based on this self definition, you areactually able to to answer many fundamental
questions that you have about your life'sdilemmas, choices in life, and, and how to
balance your being.
So Interesting.
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Very fascinating because as a psychologist,that's what people come would come
to me and
practice for.
Right?
Because what is my true essence?
Right?
Like, so people would be let's say they're insenior management, for instance, Shay.
They come in and they and they want to get tosenior VP and but maybe they're female and they
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just had a young family.
But their family, they wanna be with theirchildren, but they also are diametrically
opposed because they're on a plane or a trainkinda in their position, and they're very, very
unhappy.
Most people come in with these kind of, I'mgonna say, conundrums and then ready to start
to unpack it to recognize maybe they're out ofalignment.
And it sounds like your system is kind ofhelping them hone down that much more into,
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like you said, who am I?
Like, who am I?
Because, you know, the who am I answers a lotof questions.
But we we play a different a lot of differentrules, like you say, for society.
That's so that's so brilliantly put.
Yes.
Thank you.
Because you see, there is a a tremendousdifference between self image.
Self image is 1, the the way we want to think,about ourselves.
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And, and this self image is often actuallyborrowed from, other people's expectations and,
some kind of social adjustment or a certain,even sometimes a certain fear of, of truly
pursuing who we are, our passions.
So and so there is a self image, and then thereis our deepest passions.
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And sometimes we can, by the way, discover themby thinking about what people tell us that we
should stop being or doing.
You should stop doing that.
You should stop being so dreamy.
You should stop being so ungrounded.
You should stop actually also being soambitious.
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Sometimes people want us to be their chakratypes, their personality types.
And it's it's so it's actually a very gentleprocess in which we finally come, into contact
with what truly makes us happy.
So that might not align with people with otherpeople's ex, expectations or even with our
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current work.
So that's actually the very beginning of aprocess in which we come closer to
authenticity.
Right.
And which is what I talk about a lot aboutwith, in my work is about leader know thyself,
right?
If I know who I am and then hopefully thatforce field around me reverberates back the
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kind of leader I wanna be, but what happens,and I'm interested with your, this work, what
that you're doing and the work that you'redoing in your space, that oftentimes is an
incongruence with what the leader wants toachieve.
The tactical let's say there's a revenue growthof, say, 20% in the next fiscal year, But it's
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an out of alignment of what this leader isabout, and then in turn, they have to motivate
their team.
And that's oftentimes where I find a lot ofleaders end up suffering.
So I'm just wondering with your shock system,do you work with with leaders alone?
Do you work with leaders and their culture?
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How do you kind of work with the shocker systemor psychology with systems like companies?
Yes.
That's a very good question because, first ofall, there is, there is 1, the aspect of
teamwork.
Now teamwork, actually works best when youidentify, each individual's chakra type, which
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means that you have the right expectations fromthe the right people.
Otherwise, if we want, certain people to bewhat they're not, they will not be able to
function optimally.
On the other hand, if you are able to pinpointeveryone's, say, charter personality types, you
will be able to allocate the right assignmentsor the right roles to to to each person.
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And then they will feel so harmoniouslypositioned and will be able to actually
contribute their true gifts to to the rest ofthe team.
So for me, an ideal kind of teamwork is wheneveryone is positioned according to the chakra
types and also that everyone is recognized fortheir true gifts and truly appreciated.
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And not just a criticized for not being able toprovide this or to provide that, but, being,
actually, this is, by the way, applicable alsoto relationships, partnerships because that
that's that's a whole,
That's a whole other big conversation, whichmost of the world is trying to figure out at
any given point, doctor Jay.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
And the, the second, dimension is the dimensionin which, we need to also identify our unique
kind of, leadership.
Because if you are, for instance, a heartchakra personality type, which means that you
are a heart centered personality, you will haveactually very different things that you really
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care about or that, make you feel fulfilled orthat guide you as your set of values.
So because you will be more interested in inharmony, peace, in creating a certain a
certain, level of intimacy and being guided byaltruistic motivations and by by really, doing
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good, benefiting others.
So it's so it's going to be very personal andvery intimate and often, by the way, a one on
one kind of of exchange rather than a a massinfluence.
So if you identify yourself as such, you willfinally be able to relax into this kind of
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personality, and really discover that yourheart, which is often identified as a very
vulnerable place to lead from is actually asource of power.
So, so just recently I actually said, it was a,there was a program or, for leadership, a
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program for, leading executives.
And I sat in front of someone and a certainexecutive.
She, and she was describing her experiencebeing guided by her emotions.
And I told her, look, this is actually yoursource of power.
Don't think of this as a source ofvulnerability.
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You don't need to protect it.
You don't need to become ambitious in order tobe a great leader.
Your heart can be, can have its own ambition.
So that's a very important, example showing usthat as soon as we really accept our innate
design, we align with it and we find in it ourtrue source of power and not the source of
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power that society endorses such as ambition,financial growth, or or whatever.
I'm gonna play devil's advocate here for a secbecause some industry, no they're already not
looking for alignment.
Right?
So let's say I'm a leader.
I'm heart centered, and I talk a lot about thisin my ROR.
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Right?
Yes.
I'm connected to my heart.
It has to be in alignment with the goals of thecompany, but it also has to align me with what
I value and what I believe and how I'm gonnaconnect with each person on my team.
Let's say, 10, 20 people.
And at that point, if the company's vision ormission or goals are out of alignment, and it's
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really puts me in a point where I'm maybesecond guessing my integrity or why I'm doing
what I'm doing.
Mhmm.
I may I may be misaligned potentially as aleader, and it may be that a lot of leaders, if
they go through these types of things, theyeither write it to make the company be in
alignment with them and their objectives andtheir teams, or you're probably changing houses
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potentially.
Would is do you agree with that?
Like, a lot of this if you're, like,introducing this, and let's go to the unique
design or authentic design for Roxanne, andit's, oh, boy.
Roxanne doesn't fit, this particular role.
Could be that people are kinda jumping ship orbeing misaligned where they can't find that
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same grounding.
True.
Yes.
And first of all, we need to, to understandthat, that sometimes people try to fit into
certain environments that actually do not leadto to their profound sense of self fulfillment
or happiness.
And and that that actually sometimes requiresus to take that kind of bold leap and to to
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leave that kind of environment behind.
Otherwise, we're going to pay a heavy price.
We're just not going to be ourselves.
So we're going to be some kind of, of somethingfor, for some people, but we will, not have
that kind of a profound satisfaction.
If I may use the term soul satisfaction, onlyin the sense of deep satisfaction that that
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touches the core of our being and makes usfeel, well, that we really want to wake up in
the morning and to and to get work.
Skip it or step and let it out and get out thatdoor or or come downstairs to our office.
But this doesn't mean that that we cannot, findways as soon as we finally, get to know who we
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truly are, find ways, wise ways to translatethese kinds of of innate passions into,
languages that other people can appreciate andrecognize.
You see, because if you learn what your giftsare, then you can actually find those places
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where other people cannot have that kind ofintuitive or spontaneous experience or
recognition and help them with your own missingpiece, with what you have in abundance.
So I think that, that unless you, you are in anenvironment where bosses are really oppressive
and they really want to, to impose their chakratypes on everyone else, I think that, that we
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could find wisely, those, our place in thepuzzle, our place as the missing piece.
Like you said, home.
Right?
You find your home because now you understandyour inner space or your inner design and you
what the position that you lead how you leadwill translate from that knowing.
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And you may have to change environments, butyou will probably be in alignment with your
soul if you find the right environment.
Yes.
I'm curious.
Yes.
What kind of companies are wanting to do thiskind of work?
Because at the end of the day, and I I alwaysgo since mental well-being and psychological
safety and all those things have come toforefront.
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I've been obviously in this field for about 30years of psychology.
And when I was in corporate, doctor Shay, theyweren't talking about that.
It was like, get it done, you know, get it donetomorrow.
Don't take your breaks, all that kind of stuff.
And now we're realizing that your human capitalis the biggest fund that you need to focus on.
Out there in in Portugal and in Europe, do youare you finding that there's more of an
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appetite for what this level of authenticdesign in leaders?
Yes.
That's a wonderful point.
Well, I work for for in collaboration withcertain consultation companies.
Consultation companies that are that areuniversal or or worldwide.
Actually, yes.
Some of which are American based and some Swissbased.
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And and what I've come to discover in thesethese kinds of programs, is that that, they
are, I think, increasingly eager leaders andcompanies that find that without this kind of
deep internal work, this growing awareness,they they are not able to manage well.
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And that they are actually prone to all allkinds of emotional outbursts and the and the
breakdowns, mental breakdowns, and and and allsorts of of unconscious forces that that lark
deep within their minds and and hearts.
So I've discovered that that many areinterested in deep therapeutic processes, for
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instance, understanding themselves.
And above all, I would say, reaching thatfeeling of self love from which they are able
to become softer manager, which paradoxicallyimplies better managers.
I think that that we're discovering the powerof softness, the power of vulnerability.
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And so so I'm actually optimistic because thisseems to be, a widespread, phenomenon.
Absolutely.
And then none of the days where you have theautocratic top down kind of scenarios.
In some industries, it's still like that, but Ithink a lot more industries are recognizing.
Like I said like I said, the pandemichighlighted that if you want to really keep
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your top performers and really understand themand what is their world about, that what we
realized it was more important to understandwhat they're going through in their families
or, you know, maybe they're dealing with agingparents like I'm dealing with a a mom that's
not what you're wanting to know those thingsbecause those are the things that were the
delineating factors to say, I think I'd like todeal with doctor Shane now because he
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remembered something that was not related justto business, but I matter.
And that's what I find in the work that I do.
That's what a lot more leaders are recognizingthat they need to do, but maybe intuitively
that it feels better when they know their teamsindividually and collectively.
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And like you said, personality wise, if I'm anextrovert, that's one thing.
I'm always talking.
But what about the other people that areworking just as hard, but you're not
acknowledging them?
So lots of different things that I think we'velearned about us wanting to be seen.
Yes.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I think that that in these days, which arewhich pose in increasing demand for, for
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flexibility, for quickening of our ability toresponse, for facing endless innovation and the
and the turbulent world and unstableenvironments, we, without this kind of
component of the of some kind of innerstability that, is the result of awareness, We
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are actually we become very we are perhapsfunctional.
We're perhaps able to react quickly, but, well,deep down, something, eats up eats us up from
within.
You see, because we are unable to truly havethat kind of mind and heart that, that are
swiftly aligning with the change and, andactually are change endorsing.
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Right.
And, you know, I was on a a professional callearlier, and we're talking about the leadership
and trauma informed leadership Uh-huh.
Functional freeze.
Right?
And functional and functional freeze is I'mgonna assume doctor Shay knows what I mean, but
for anybody that doesn't know what that meansthat I'm able to work under pressure and get
things done.
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But what happens is that adaptive behavioreventually catches up with me.
And if you think of the chakras from some ofthe let's say I'm the type that my history is I
never spoke my words and but I've been quitefunctional and been able to perform, but then
eventually, let's say, I keep losing my voiceor maybe I develop polyps in my throat, the
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mind and the body are speaking to each other,and it just is so much this is so fascinating
with what you're talking about because when thewhen the energy flow or the chi is out of
alignment, what happens?
Where did where where does the energy pool whenthe body says, what about me?
What about me?
So this is this is fascinating work that you'vedone, doctor Shay.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
Because, by the way, in intriguingly, the whenit comes to chart to traumas, traumas are are
we all know that traumas are somehow stored inthe body.
But there are certain areas in our body that,in a sense, remember the trauma, more than
others.
And those parts are are the chakra related,aspect of of trauma.
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So one, one practice that can, that I caninvite our dear listeners to do is, is think of
a certain situation in your life, a certain,probably current situation, or perhaps an
unresolved situation from your past.
Just think about it.
You can even write down some thoughts about it,some feelings, think of related events, and
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then start feeling, getting in touch with theemotions that you have about that kind of
situation.
What does it feel like?
And then close your eyes and, and ask yourselfwhich area in my body has now become most
active as a result of that kind of recollectionand the contemplation.
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And this is really astounding because there'salways, one part of the body.
Sometimes it's the forehead.
For instance, sometimes it's the throat.
Sometimes it's the heart.
Sometimes it's, the upper abdomen or the legsand so on and so forth.
And, that is already a reflection of a chakraactivity.
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And when you learn what the, what themes areinvolved in each chakra, you are immediately
able to pinpoint the, the sources of your, ofyour blockage.
What actually concerns you?
What you need to, what kind of life lesson youneed to face if you really want to, to
transform that, that deep sensation that by theway, when unresolved, can easily developed into
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some sort of psychosomatic disorder, as youjust mentioned.
So so that's why chakras are related to health,to our life force, whether it is, high or low
and, but also to our emotional health, to ourmental quiet.
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So, so they are a multifaceted system.
And when we learn to master them, that's, animportant key to to actually day to day
awareness as leaders.
Amazing.
I feel like you're so in alignment with what Iteach, but what you I I look at communication
awareness, decision making, recognition, andconnection, which are all fundamentally
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elements to lead.
But what you're doing is you're pinpointing itthat much more and then spotting for the leader
to if I think I would be this is my perceptionagain.
Like, my image, I think that would be a heartchakra person.
And but it's interesting.
What would my team feel about me?
Right?
That's what I do when I do the assessment.
So I think the interplay of what you do andwhat I do would be quite fascinating because
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you're getting drilling down.
I'm gonna say you're drilling down to thecellular level to some degree on the somatic
level.
And when you when you go there, then, you know,what are the blockages that that potentially
people could clear in order to be open toleadership, which is and you're singing to the
choir here, but I I think why not, if you'regoing to lead, be the best version of yourself.
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And it may not be just at work.
It could be at home.
It could be in your community.
It could be on your football team.
It could be anywhere, but you're learning aboutyourself and kind of creating that legacy of
leadership within yourself.
Exactly.
Well, that that's really wonderful.
Sometimes I think, we are told learn to loveyourself or to accept yourself.
But we, first of all, need to know what self weare supposed to love.
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Otherwise, it's some something very vague.
And sometimes it's, it's actually, notourselves that we are trying to love, but some
kind of self image or some kind of socialsocial adjustment we've learned to to to create
as a result of some kind of defense mechanism.
So we need to really get into touch with thatkind of tender yet powerful aspect, which is
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our most authentic, passion and, which, andthat also means our most powerful form of
leadership.
And when we position ourselves in it, thatbecomes a sort of a source of, of radiation or
a sort of a source of emanation that, helpsother, benefit from our natural, natural self,
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from our natural qualities that we, that weknow best to pursue and to, communicate.
And, I talk a lot about, adult attachmenttheory in my book, which is, I often say that,
when the, the person comes into the world, theyare a tabula rasa and then they get, my thing
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is that they get pricked and prodded byperceptions and roles and and the safety of
their all so many things go into that and thenwe develop based on where we have to protect
against or where we have to accentuate.
So it's this is almost like you're going in andyou're doing an autopsy and you're
reconstructing to be the purest form of who youwere meant to be from inception.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
Out into the world in whatever bright light youneed
to.
Exactly.
I think you and I could probably talk for hoursbecause this is the place I like to hang out.
I agree.
For for leaders that are thinking or peoplethat are thinking in general that they want to
learn more from you, or they want to connectwith you to have consult or the other work that
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you do, tell everybody where they can get ahold of you.
And also the name of the book, and we'll have alink to the book in the show notes so that you
can also just go ahead and order the book fromeither Doctor.
Shay's site or on Amazon.
Yes.
First of all, there is the book, your chakrapersonality, and it's which is a sequel to the
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7 chakra personality types, although it is acompletely self contained kind of book, so you
don't need to rely on that previous book.
And and this one is available everywhere onAmazon.
It is published by publishing house byLlewellyn worldwide.
So it is, it is really available everywhere.
Second, there there is my official website,which is shytubali, s h a I tubali.com.
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And, this website, includes the upcomingevents, including, my professional training
for, chakra informed, coaching and therapy.
So that is highly relevant, I believe, in inour context of discussion.
And, there's also if you're interested, in justexploring a little, there is my YouTube channel
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under my name, and it includes, well, over 800videos, containing numerous guided meditations
and explanations about the the method and othermethods and how we can integrate self awareness
practices into our daily life.
So there's plenty of material to to start with.
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And I I was checking it out, so I I could tellyou that I I enjoyed it.
By all means, go and check it out.
So what am I walking away with?
I think I'm walking away with as leaders, weall want to be the best versions of who we are
meant to be in the world in whatever capacitywe're leading.
And what doctor Shay is sharing with us is thatthat's possible.
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You you are walking around with every tool inyour body.
It's just about learning to listen in a way tothe body because it's I call it spiritual
whispers that the body is giving you.
So it's tap, and most of us can kind of flit itaway.
It's a thought.
I can I can let that go?
Like, it's a feeling.
I can let that go until the doc says, you needto come and see me for x y z.
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That kind of brings it to the body.
And from what doctor Shay is sharing is this,you have the information.
You can learn what you need to do to heal yourbody or to at least listen to the body so you
can prevent it from anything further happening.
Reach out to doctor Shai.
Either way, I hope, people connect with him,and thank you again for tuning in.
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And if you're wanting to know more about, theROR, just go to roxanderhodge.comforward/quiz.
If you wanna know how authentically connectedyou are in your relationships, either at work
or at home, we'll send you through a littlereally quick quiz, and we'll send you some
recommendations with next steps.
So, again, doctor Shai, thanks so much.
And for everybody, thanks for hanging out withus again, and we'll talk to you next week.
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Take care.
Thanks for tuning in to Authentic Living withRoxanne, creating the space for positive
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healthy change.
Roxanne is a keynote speaker, psychotherapist,and coach.
To work with Roxanne, visitroxannederhaj.com/blueprint.
We'll see you next time on Authentic Livingwith Roxanne.
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