May 30, 2025 • 33 mins
Roxanne Derhodge is joined by Zerina Derveni to discuss her transformative journey from the corporate world to becoming a coach. Zerina shares her experiences of taking the entrepreneurial leap, driven by curiosity and a focus on coaching women through common blocks. The conversation delves into the importance of unlearning limiting narratives and achieving work-life balance during the transition to entrepreneurship. They explore the role of integrity in developing coaching programs and the significance of self-connection for women. The episode concludes with ways to connect with Zareena for coaching, a mention of Roxanne's ROR program, and final remarks.
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Welcome to Authentic Living with Roxanne, aplace where we have conscious conversations
about things that really matter in our lives.
And now here's your host, Roxanne Durhaj.
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Hi everyone, it's Roxanne Durvodge.
Welcome back to Authentic Living with Roxanne.
So today I have a coach who has had a prettyamazing background, Zareena Durvani.
And I hope I'm still saying this right.
Just clarified it.
And she's been a life coach and she works withwomen to discover their inner peace, confidence
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and purpose.
She was in the corporate sector for quite along time and then made a transition into her
own coaching practice, having worked with a lotof Fortune 500 brands for over a decade.
So today we're going to talk a little bit aboutkind of authenticity and balance.
Thanks so much for coming on today to chat withus.
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Thank you for having me, Roxanne.
Excited to be here.
Yeah, so tell me about your path.
I know we were talking a little bit offline,but what's got you the space where you wanted
to work more so with women, but you had saidyou had worked a lot with men.
So what was a Did you go to school with athought of eventually coaching, or what kind of
schooling did you do?
Yeah, so in school, I studied actually law andbusiness, and then I also did a postgraduate
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degree in corporate communication and PR.
So completely different from coaching.
My journey started, I think, like mostmillennials, where we were encouraged to go to
school, get degrees, work hard, get a good job,and then, you know, you'll be settled.
I think that was the messaging back then.
I had a passion for law, still do, but didstudy law in my undergrad as well as business.
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I thought I wanted to be a lawyer, but then Ithought, you know what, I really was invested
in just growing businesses.
I think that's where my consulting and salesjourney started.
I started my first job working for a Fortune500 company and would oversee partnerships.
And that's really where my corporate experiencestarted.
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I was doing really well.
And then from there I thought, is this enough?
Can I do better?
I think when you're going through your firstjourney of having an adult job, always kind of
want to grow quickly and rapidly.
And I had done that and moved into my secondcompany where I was again an executive and was
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overseeing a lot of our larger partnerships,both from a North America perspective and
global perspective as well.
And then I started to kind of get that samefeeling like, okay, like what now?
Like, is this enough?
I think I reached pretty high milestones at ayoung age and I was still questioning, I think,
the definition of success.
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So, at that time, you know, again, I thought,oh, maybe I need to switch my job again, or
find another career, or find another industry.
So I think there was this cycle of thesequestions coming up where I was just digging on
the surface level because, let's face it, lifeis so busy.
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We obviously need to move on and we need towork, so I wasn't really going deeper.
However, I knew something was starting tobecome a cycle.
I think by the time I was working for my secondcompany, was picking up the cycle in me.
And just actually I should have mentioned this.
So from a very, very young age, I've alwaysbeen someone who's been very curious, someone
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who's always kind of questioned the basicthings that most people don't necessarily talk
about.
So I was starting to really ask these questionsmyself and say, okay, like, why, you know, why
am I not happy?
Or why is this not fulfilling me?
I think that's the right question.
Why is this not fulfilling me?
Yeah, onto my third company that I worked for.
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All the companies that I've worked for, I'vehad really good experience.
Think I mentioned before we went on live that Iworked with some great men who really helped me
grow in my professional field.
So by the time I got to my third company, Ithink I was two years in, I was asking myself
the same question and I said, okay, no more,like something's gotta change.
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And that's when I started to really get intocoaching.
I had coached before my teams but I reallystarted to get into that personal development
and learning more about coaching and listening.
I think I would listen to podcast every day forabout two hours in the evenings around coaching
and personal development and psychology andreally started to get this passion for it.
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I started to heal myself and started to gothrough my own self discovery journey as a
young woman.
And I had this moment, never looked back, and Isaid, Okay, I think I want to be a coach.
I'm so passionate about it.
I can help women navigate some challenges intheir life that they're having.
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And then from there I sat on it for six months.
Of course, it wasn't wake up and quit your job,and I financial responsibilities too, and I had
also responsibilities to the organization I wasworking for, but I thought about it for six
months, still had that zest for it, and thenfrom there, I said, okay, I started working
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towards it, and I've never, I always say this,I've never looked back and I've never worked
harder.
Entering the entrepreneurial world and beingit's, you know, it's oftentimes when you've
been, and I did the transition as well fourteenyears ago, and you think, Oh yeah, I know what
I'm up against until you're actually in it.
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And then you realize the first two years, it'sa lot of work, gratifying.
But again, you become the everything as youkind of enter into the terrain of starting your
own business.
Now, you talk a lot about being curious.
So when you at home, were you validated forcuriosity?
Or was there anything that you could say thatyou started to engage in when you were young
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that made you keep that kind of curious mind?
Yeah, so I think when I was younger, sometimesI was validated.
Sometimes my parents were just so busy, right?
I mean, I think back then everyone's working.
So sometimes I would get the response like, oh,why do we do this?
And why are people working if they're nothappy?
Or why are people in relationships if they'renot happy?
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So I would ask those like basic questions thatof course my parents would answer sometimes and
sometimes they would say, we don't know, youdon't need to ask questions for everything,
right?
Like a typical response when you're younger.
But I think that curiosity for me was importantbecause what I was looking for more so, it
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wasn't necessarily answers, it was people'sintentions, right?
And I always saw, okay, people typically hadgood intentions or people had pure intentions,
but their actions weren't reflective of that.
So I think that's where my curiosity started,because even into my teenage years, I was
always like, I wonder what people's intentionsare and why they do what they do.
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And I wasn't necessarily looking for the rightanswer, was just trying to match the behaviour
From
what you were saying, yeah.
Exactly, yeah.
I think as a young child, I was validated in asense that I was more intelligent by asking
these questions, where it was like, oh, shesees this and she can pick up on these body
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languages and behaviours.
But yeah, I think it was entertained when I wasyounger.
Then in my young adolescence, I think life gotbusy and I got very much so into this is how it
is and just go with it, right?
So that voice got a little bit quiet.
So why women?
Like you said, you had a really good experiencewith the different global brands that you
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worked with.
What made you land on wanting to workspecifically with women, Serena?
Yeah.
No, I think women are one of
the
most fascinating creatures.
I think the way that we think and the way thatwe feel is just so different to men, right?
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I think I respect working with men so much incorporate because they are very much so black
and white.
They knew how to prioritise their priorities,they just really helped me gain some business
skills that I don't know if I would have beenable to had I worked maybe in a different
group.
I'm not sure, I just really valued my timeworking with men.
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But with women, we're just, we're different.
We have other thoughts, we have other ways ofcoming up with why we do what we do, whether
it's emotional, whether it's behavioural,whether it's psychological.
There's just so many variations to women.
And I think me being a woman and me goingthrough my own journey of almost understanding,
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I'm going to say this, my own kind of BS,right?
So there's a way to communicate to women that Ithink you need to have some sort of compassion
mixed with logic, mixed with emotion.
I've actually worked with a few men when itcomes to coaching, and they're very action
oriented.
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And as much as results are important to me, Ialso value going through that journey of really
understanding and clarifying why it is that wemaybe are in a situation that we are in, or why
it is that we're questioning things, or evenour limited beliefs are a little bit different
just because of the way we're builtgenetically.
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So for me, it was really important to take allmy lessons learned, my experience, as well as
my credentials, and work specifically withwomen.
What do you think are the some of the commonblocks with women when you start to work with
them?
Is it an agent stage block of their earlierinto their career versus you made the
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transition from corporate to entrepreneurship?
Are there some core blockers that you find whenyou work with women?
Maybe in the business let's start in thebusiness arena.
Let's say in the work life, work kind of end tothings.
What are some of the blocks that you findyourself working with women?
I think for me, let's speak to business first.
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What I noticed and what I did differently wassometimes there was this lack of confidence or
the shyness from being confident and speakingup, Where actually, believe it or not, in all
my areas of life, I never struggled withconfidence at work.
Even though I never knew anything, I would walkinto the room, I would hold my head high, I
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knew I belonged in the room, and you couldn'ttell me else that I didn't belong there.
So I think there's a sense of this confidencethat they belong there and that them being
there is enough.
Now granted, obviously, you back it up withyour work and your expertise, just knowing that
I think is the first step of having thatconfidence that you belong there.
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So I would say that's one limiting belief thatmaybe I've noticed.
It was young executive males, mean when I wasin corporate, they would think and likewise
with you, I always spoke up.
And sometimes I didn't have the answers, but Ifigured if I didn't, I would learn and always
thought to speak up.
But the males, the male executives in the roomthought nothing of it.
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It just naturally rolled
out the Natural.
Right.
And then they were equally as talented femalesin the room.
And you could see them just trying to muster upthe courage.
It'd be like, that basic fundamentaldifference, and that goes back to so many
variables with men and women, but that men justdon't ask permission.
They just go forward and they highlight in avery eloquent way what they've done and what
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they've touched and those types of things.
And then women, you're like, thinking, did thislast year and you did this.
It's not as eloquent flowing off their tongues,whereas men, they just kind of say, Well, I did
this, this, this, and yeah, I should do thisbecause I think I'm ready.
And you're like, I mean, the
other That's so normal.
And other women that you coach, you're like,well, I guess I should have thought of that,
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those types of things.
So just that you're so right.
It doesn't come as fluidly for a lot of women.
There are women now, I think, the youngergeneration like your time, my time in corporate
in the '90s and 2000s, it was still comingabout where you had the mentors.
You didn't see women, I'm gonna say, shoveling.
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It was a lot of shoveling in my time.
And now you see the sponsorships and you seewomen pulling up other women, which I think was
really refreshing to see with the youngergeneration, whereas in my time, it was more
like people felt like they had to pit againsteach other to be able to succeed.
No, it's a really good point.
And I actually, in my coaching, talk a lotabout imposter syndrome, right?
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Because as women, we do suffer from it.
And what I actually teach is stay away fromperforming.
You don't need to perform.
You just need to be, right?
You said something, Roxanne, that's reallyinteresting.
It's speaking up.
So I think not all of us have the ability tospeak up, right?
I think it's great if you do, but there's alsosomething to be said about quiet confidence,
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right?
So I wasn't the first one to speak up in aroom, but I was the first one to walk in with
my head held high, and like I owned the room,right?
I think some people will be better at maybeshowing that confidence to their energy, some
will be better at speaking up.
So really it's finding what works for you,where you're not performing, but you're just
being you.
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And I think that's how you really start to gainthat success and confidence is just doing
whatever works for you, but be you and show upconfident.
And not try to emulate somebody that you thinkI should be this way.
It was to your point, like I'm an extrovert andso the extroverts are generally going down the
line before thinking what they're going to say.
But then some introverted or ambroverts,whatever you want to label them, are there.
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When they do speak, it's so profound.
And you're like, wow, that was so good.
And those people oftentimes with that quietconfidence to your point, they can draw you in
because they know who they are.
Right?
So I think you know what I mean?
It's that it's that quiet confidence.
So confidence is definitely something that Iwould think that you coach a lot on.
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What else do you find with the women thatyou're coaching with business?
What are some of their concerns or blockagesthat you might have to work with?
I think another blockage that I work with isthis narrative that they have in their mind of
just their environment.
Let's say their family and friends have toldthem something and then they believe this
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narrative and go along with the narrative.
For example, I'll give you a real life examplethat I often face.
So if they're working at a company and they'renot happy, their family and friends are saying,
Oh, well, it's okay.
Just stick it through.
You'll be fine.
This is life.
So there is this narrative that's been nowabsorbed as their own narrative, but they're
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not happy because that's why they're coming tome, right?
They're feeling lost or stuck.
So really it's questioning and it's kind ofunlearning some of those subconscious beliefs
that they've developed through narrative oftheir environment.
And that's scary, right?
So when you don't have that level ofconsciousness, and having somebody tell you
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what your family and friends are speakingprobably from their perspective, we need to
step away, you're obviously feeling something'soff.
I'm not saying to leave your job, but I'msaying can it be fixed?
And most often times, things can be fixed.
It's just really, it's unlearning some of thosenarratives that you've developed in your
subconscious, and you think those are beliefs,right?
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So I think that's another one, really.
It's that narrative that women have.
And for some reason, Roxanne, and you canprobably speak to this more than I can, I'm
still in in my journey but women and ourbeliefs, like we hold them so true whereas it's
like, that's it.
Like, these are our beliefs and it's workingwith women to like really unravel what those
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beliefs are and why do you believe what youbelieve?
Are those really your values?
So, there's a lot of unlearning and questioningbefore we go into exploration that I have to do
with women where I find these narratives arejust kind of like stuck and they're fixed in
their mind but once we start unlearning themand then that's when I start seeing some
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transformation in their mindset.
They're like, No, I deserve better.
And maybe I should speak up.
And maybe I should try this.
And yeah, so probably narratives.
I
like that.
Yeah, I like the unlearning approach, right?
Because even like when my mom was a stay athome mother and I went off and went to school
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and did all these things.
So I mean, my mom, great guidance, but not onthe corporate end.
She probably would give me the guidance likeyou were saying your other clients would get.
Then you have to find that mentor or somethingor someone that's ahead of you.
And oftentimes, like with me, when my son wasyoung, I was traveling all the time.
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I was missing things.
And then there was the guilt between being mombut loving what I did, right?
And again, having that person ahead of you, ifyou have that in your lives or whatever, which
I think a lot of younger women have now.
That wasn't the case with me.
So I often had mentors at work, sometimesmostly men at that time, and who were
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phenomenal, to your point, but then startedgetting coaching.
I remember getting a coach relatively early sothat I could get that guidance to where do I
want to be?
What do I what skills do I have?
What things are blocked?
And that already allowed me to propel thingslike I'm talking way, way back in the early
nineties.
Kind of
coaching wasn't that big of a thing.
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I recognized that in order to kind of progressalong with the levels that I was looking for,
had to, you know, kind of get guidance fromsomeone who could, you know, kind of steer me.
But I think in today's day and age, it's kindof a normative kind of thing for people to seek
coaching guidance when they're stuck.
Right, yeah.
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And the beauty with coaching is when you'refeeling because it's usually feeling stuck or
lost or you're curious, right?
You're curious about your own development.
Those are usually the three reasons why someoneseeks a coach.
But the beauty with a coach is they actuallyhelp you in your present time, right?
I've got a lot of clients who've done years andyears of therapy, which is phenomenal.
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When you get into coaching, it's like, okay,we're working towards the issue you have right
now.
How do we move forward?
It's great that you were able to get a coacheven back then when maybe it wasn't as popular
because
Right, right, it wasn't.
But I think I realized it and it was now Ithink back the investment that I made back
then, good younger version of myself, becauseit's really what propelled the doors that got
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opened as I was kind of trying to maneuver upand get where I wanted to be.
And because I, like your clients, I felt, okay,I'm missing something.
I need to make a step, but I don't know how doI do it?
What's the right fit.
When I did assessments at that time, I couldsee where the misalignment was with where I was
at.
And then I started to search for positions thatwere more in alignment.
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And once I got into that stream, I was playingdollhouse kind of thing.
I was so happy because then I was like, ding,ding, ding, wow.
And I just went through my career with thatknowledge so that the decisions that I made in
the future were additive, right?
Not going backwards to say, I should stay.
You have families, you have homes, you have allthat stuff to be concerned about.
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But luckily having that someone to just bethere for you who could just listen to you with
that objective lens, like you said, in thepresent, not, yeah, you might need to
understand a pattern, but it's kind of like,Now what do you need to do?
No.
It's interesting because your journey soundslike you were able to get clarity pretty early
on and then make decisions based on your valuesthat were in alignment with whatever decisions
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you made.
So I think we're all looking for clarity inthings, because once you're clear and once you
have a perspective of clarity, decision makingis easy.
It's not hard, right?
Decision making is hard when you're not clear.
And then your experience to me, I don't know,when you're talking, it just screams like you
were able to get that clarity from coaching,which is really like that's the result we want
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to provide as coaches to our clients, is helpthem gain clarity.
So then that way
they start
making decisions.
Yeah.
It becomes everything kinda the decisionsbecome up in alignment, and then you're not
looking for that validation.
You might you obviously go out to someone afterthe fact, but you kinda come from a different
position to say, this is what I'm thinking.
Do you have some perspective versus what do youthink I should do?
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Which is a different cause.
Right?
Yeah.
Let's talk
about I love that.
Let's talk about home because I know I'm gonnaassume that women still have a lot of
challenges, probably a little bit differentfrom like I said, when I left corporate,
goodness, back in 2010.
Right?
So this is I would say lots has happened sincethen.
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What struggles are women having with or arethey having struggles with work life balance?
I I think I know the answer to that, but Iwanna see hear what you have to say.
Absolutely.
Yes.
I think I think this perception that there issuch thing as balance, I personally don't
believe in it.
I think in life you're in a certain phase oryou're in a certain wave and whatever that
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means for you, you find whatever balance basedon your priorities.
I think having a work life balance isimportant.
It might change day to day or week to week, butreally it's figuring out what works for you.
I worked with women who had little kids, and Iwould imagine how difficult it would be
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sometimes to miss some of those milestones,attending the school dances or shows.
I really think that this work life balanceperception is that, yes, it's difficult, so
understand that it's difficult to achieve.
Can you make it better for you based on yourpriority?
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Yes.
But I think, again, it's going to always changebased on where you are in life.
And what I also teach my clients, which isimportant, is have one to three priorities a
day, and that is your balance.
So if you've got to work, if you've to takecare of the kids, if you have to do self care,
those are your three priorities.
That's it.
Focus on that rather than trying to beeverywhere to everyone.
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Like that is just not realistic.
So I think we're still going through this shiftof understanding what work life balance is.
I mean, think about it.
Women haven't been working that much, right, toreally understand the secret to that.
So I think we're still learning.
But do I think there's such thing as work lifebalance?
That's an absolute.
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Absolutely not.
Do I think that there's ways that you canimprove it?
Yes.
And I think it's staying focused to small stepsdaily and know that it can shift and that's
okay.
That's reality.
Yeah, and I think one thing I learned reallywhen my son was young was when I was at work,
tried to focus just being at work.
And when I was home, I just tried to cut off asmuch just to try to be at home.
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But now we're in a different environment wherepeople are working from home.
So there's lots of kind of pilfering in ofthat, right, like to some degree.
Especially if you think of through thepandemic, Serena, when the kids were young, all
the women that I was coaching then, wasdifficult for them because not that their
partners weren't helping, and I would say thatmen are they are stepping up to roles and
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helping a lot, but still a lot of it falls onthe mom the the keeper of the family, all that
stuff.
But I think couples are getting better atrecognizing that they want their children to
have an experience with both parents so thatfathers are definitely more involved.
It's a conversation about what's it going tolook like if we're both deciding that we want
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to have children and you're wanting to keepyour career going as well.
Exactly.
And I think one secret that has been helpful ishave your non negotiable from day one.
So, just know what that is, right?
Whether it's your non negotiable is date nightwith your partner, whether your non negotiable
is turning off at a certain time, it's justhave it and stick by it and figure out what
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that is because I think that then will helpeliminate some of the pressure and stress that
we as women put on ourselves, right?
It's have this non negotiable, maybe one or twothings and stick by it no matter what.
Because people respect you if you'reconsistent.
They will not respect you though if you're flipfloppy.
So I do think that is really important.
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And whether it's for yourself, whether it's foryour partner, whether it's for your kids, you
figure that out yourself, right?
But having non negotiable I think helps withwork life balance.
Absolutely, see it's not balanced, it's like ateeter totter, right?
Harmony!
It's like work effectiveness probably is abetter word, because sometimes you feel
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completely effective one place and then you'relike, oh no, I'm off kilter gear.
But like to your point is what is the kind ofthe middle ground for you and what are the
things that are the givens that you recognizethat you if those are out of alignment, then
ultimately then it's going to be tough for youto be able to keep enjoying the beautiful life
that you've probably created.
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Yeah.
Now, in reference to the transition that youmade, and if there are women that are thinking
of making transitions to go off on their own inyour path, what did you experience kind of
creating that path from corporate on to kind ofbeing an entrepreneur?
Yeah, oh wow, I wish we had more time.
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But I think for me, having experienced successin corporate and then branching out on my own,
there was a sense of being a bit naive tothinking, yeah, I do want to say that there was
a sense of being naive to thinking, oh, I'vegot this, I've succeeded before.
This shouldn't be as much of an issue as maybeI thought.
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I knew it was going to take time, but I waslike, oh, I got this.
So I think there is a sense of being a bitnaive with not really understanding what it is
to really start your own business and work foryourself.
So anyone that's even thinking about it, A,find something that you're really good at or
passionate about.
Because there's going to be some hard times,and unless you're clear about that, you might
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fear out and go back to a regular, whether it'scorporate or a job.
But I think you have to understand that there'sgoing to be some hard work where you're not
being acknowledged, have nobody kind of lookingover you and saying, Hey, you don't have
resources.
I think that was a big one, not knowing howmuch resources companies provide you.
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You're just really on your own.
So I think that was a big lesson learned.
Again, it was someone who did really well inbusiness, understood finances and everything,
yet still I was a little bit naive.
So I was blindsided by that, I think just fromlack of experience.
Working for myself, probably that.
And then the second thing was, so when Istarted the whole coaching journey, I knew that
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I was going to impact people's personal lives.
And that was a lot of pressure, right?
Because I think it's one thing to step into abusiness room and talk business and talk
finance.
It's another to be one on one with someone andreally have this positive influence on their
life so that they can also find their path.
I think for me, there was this sense ofresponsibility where I wanted to make sure that
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whatever it is that I do, I guide my clients.
I'm never interjecting perspective on them.
It was really important for me not to have anyquick fixes.
It was a long term journey and giving them theright tools that they can use for their life
long term was something that was reallyimportant to me.
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So it took me a little bit longer to work on myown coaching program and my own context because
I really wanted to add that value that wasimportant to me.
So yeah, it took me a little bit longer, but Ithought very well of how I wanted my results to
look like for my clients, how responsible Ifelt.
So I think leading for me with integrity wasreally important.
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So there was a little bit of delay in mysuccess, but that had its purpose.
So yeah, just understanding no matter how goodyou are at stuff, when you start something new,
it's a new journey.
You're a student all over again, so having thatopen perspective is important.
Staying focused on, again, doing what you'rereally good at or you're passionate about will
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help you go and get through those challengingtimes.
And then understanding, okay, what kind ofvalue do you want to bring?
Again, whether it's to a person or to a certainorganization, and then stick with it.
Because I think, again, consistency is key toreaching success.
Absolutely.
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And being authentically, I always say, what'sthe internal GPS saying?
But you have to get quiet to be able to reallystay connected.
I mean, like in your day, we were talking justbefore and talking about our busy days.
There's so much going on day to day that youreally And I think for me as a woman, it's
really still taking that time to just have thatquiet something that really helps me.
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And when I go for extended periods of time, Icould feel myself just being weeply wobbly.
Like, I'm getting through the day and I'm doingthe thing, but it's not feeling right.
So I think that connection to self throughwhatever method works for you, and lots of
people do it in different ways, that's veryimportant.
Rosaria, this has been an amazing conversation.
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So for people that are looking to connect andthat are wanting to maybe consider doing some
coaching, where might they get ahold of you andthings like your website and things like that.
Yeah, no, you can find me online atwww.zerenalifecoach.com.
There is a contact form there where you canreach out to me depending on whether you have a
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question or a specific area of coaching you'reinterested in.
Also on Instagram you can find me atzerenalifecoach.
And yeah, a of Thank
you so much.
And I think, yeah, you bring a perspective,obviously, to women out there, that's a bit
younger generation as well.
I think women are doing so many big things inthe world and getting that extra guidance and
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having someone to support them is so, so verykey.
Like I said, in my path, it was instrumentalfor the things that I was able to do.
And I would say, you know, anyone struggling oreven if you don't know, like, to Serena's
point, sometimes it's just, I'm curious.
Right.
Nothing's wrong.
I'm curious.
This is where you can move the needle on somany things in your life just by having a
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conversation with a coach.
So everyone, thanks again for tuning in.
What's new with me is that I am starting acourse on the ROR book that I did last year, so
that will be starting in June.
It's called the ROR plush program for burnt outleaders that wanna manage their teams.
Just reach out to me at Roxanne Durhodge.
Roxanne at Roxanne Durhodge dot com.
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I'll give you the details and the start dates,and I look forward to connecting with anyone
that would like more information.
Again, Zarina, thanks so much.
And, everyone, thanks for hanging out with us,and we'll talk to you again soon.
Take care.
Thanks for tuning in to Authentic Living withRoxanne, creating the space for positive,
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Welcome to Authentic Living with Roxanne, aplace where we have conscious conversations
about things that really matter in our lives.
And now here's your host, Roxanne Durhaj.
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Hi everyone, it's Roxanne Durvodge.
Welcome back to Authentic Living with Roxanne.
So today I have a coach who has had a prettyamazing background, Zareena Durvani.
And I hope I'm still saying this right.
Just clarified it.
And she's been a life coach and she works withwomen to discover their inner peace, confidence
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and purpose.
She was in the corporate sector for quite along time and then made a transition into her
own coaching practice, having worked with a lotof Fortune 500 brands for over a decade.
So today we're going to talk a little bit aboutkind of authenticity and balance.
Thanks so much for coming on today to chat withus.
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Thank you for having me, Roxanne.
Excited to be here.
Yeah, so tell me about your path.
I know we were talking a little bit offline,but what's got you the space where you wanted
to work more so with women, but you had saidyou had worked a lot with men.
So what was a Did you go to school with athought of eventually coaching, or what kind of
schooling did you do?
Yeah, so in school, I studied actually law andbusiness, and then I also did a postgraduate
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degree in corporate communication and PR.
So completely different from coaching.
My journey started, I think, like mostmillennials, where we were encouraged to go to
school, get degrees, work hard, get a good job,and then, you know, you'll be settled.
I think that was the messaging back then.
I had a passion for law, still do, but didstudy law in my undergrad as well as business.
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I thought I wanted to be a lawyer, but then Ithought, you know what, I really was invested
in just growing businesses.
I think that's where my consulting and salesjourney started.
I started my first job working for a Fortune500 company and would oversee partnerships.
And that's really where my corporate experiencestarted.
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I was doing really well.
And then from there I thought, is this enough?
Can I do better?
I think when you're going through your firstjourney of having an adult job, always kind of
want to grow quickly and rapidly.
And I had done that and moved into my secondcompany where I was again an executive and was
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overseeing a lot of our larger partnerships,both from a North America perspective and
global perspective as well.
And then I started to kind of get that samefeeling like, okay, like what now?
Like, is this enough?
I think I reached pretty high milestones at ayoung age and I was still questioning, I think,
the definition of success.
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So, at that time, you know, again, I thought,oh, maybe I need to switch my job again, or
find another career, or find another industry.
So I think there was this cycle of thesequestions coming up where I was just digging on
the surface level because, let's face it, lifeis so busy.
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We obviously need to move on and we need towork, so I wasn't really going deeper.
However, I knew something was starting tobecome a cycle.
I think by the time I was working for my secondcompany, was picking up the cycle in me.
And just actually I should have mentioned this.
So from a very, very young age, I've alwaysbeen someone who's been very curious, someone
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who's always kind of questioned the basicthings that most people don't necessarily talk
about.
So I was starting to really ask these questionsmyself and say, okay, like, why, you know, why
am I not happy?
Or why is this not fulfilling me?
I think that's the right question.
Why is this not fulfilling me?
Yeah, onto my third company that I worked for.
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All the companies that I've worked for, I'vehad really good experience.
Think I mentioned before we went on live that Iworked with some great men who really helped me
grow in my professional field.
So by the time I got to my third company, Ithink I was two years in, I was asking myself
the same question and I said, okay, no more,like something's gotta change.
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And that's when I started to really get intocoaching.
I had coached before my teams but I reallystarted to get into that personal development
and learning more about coaching and listening.
I think I would listen to podcast every day forabout two hours in the evenings around coaching
and personal development and psychology andreally started to get this passion for it.
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I started to heal myself and started to gothrough my own self discovery journey as a
young woman.
And I had this moment, never looked back, and Isaid, Okay, I think I want to be a coach.
I'm so passionate about it.
I can help women navigate some challenges intheir life that they're having.
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And then from there I sat on it for six months.
Of course, it wasn't wake up and quit your job,and I financial responsibilities too, and I had
also responsibilities to the organization I wasworking for, but I thought about it for six
months, still had that zest for it, and thenfrom there, I said, okay, I started working
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towards it, and I've never, I always say this,I've never looked back and I've never worked
harder.
Entering the entrepreneurial world and beingit's, you know, it's oftentimes when you've
been, and I did the transition as well fourteenyears ago, and you think, Oh yeah, I know what
I'm up against until you're actually in it.
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And then you realize the first two years, it'sa lot of work, gratifying.
But again, you become the everything as youkind of enter into the terrain of starting your
own business.
Now, you talk a lot about being curious.
So when you at home, were you validated forcuriosity?
Or was there anything that you could say thatyou started to engage in when you were young
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that made you keep that kind of curious mind?
Yeah, so I think when I was younger, sometimesI was validated.
Sometimes my parents were just so busy, right?
I mean, I think back then everyone's working.
So sometimes I would get the response like, oh,why do we do this?
And why are people working if they're nothappy?
Or why are people in relationships if they'renot happy?
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So I would ask those like basic questions thatof course my parents would answer sometimes and
sometimes they would say, we don't know, youdon't need to ask questions for everything,
right?
Like a typical response when you're younger.
But I think that curiosity for me was importantbecause what I was looking for more so, it
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wasn't necessarily answers, it was people'sintentions, right?
And I always saw, okay, people typically hadgood intentions or people had pure intentions,
but their actions weren't reflective of that.
So I think that's where my curiosity started,because even into my teenage years, I was
always like, I wonder what people's intentionsare and why they do what they do.
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And I wasn't necessarily looking for the rightanswer, was just trying to match the behaviour
From
what you were saying, yeah.
Exactly, yeah.
I think as a young child, I was validated in asense that I was more intelligent by asking
these questions, where it was like, oh, shesees this and she can pick up on these body
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languages and behaviours.
But yeah, I think it was entertained when I wasyounger.
Then in my young adolescence, I think life gotbusy and I got very much so into this is how it
is and just go with it, right?
So that voice got a little bit quiet.
So why women?
Like you said, you had a really good experiencewith the different global brands that you
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worked with.
What made you land on wanting to workspecifically with women, Serena?
Yeah.
No, I think women are one of
the
most fascinating creatures.
I think the way that we think and the way thatwe feel is just so different to men, right?
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I think I respect working with men so much incorporate because they are very much so black
and white.
They knew how to prioritise their priorities,they just really helped me gain some business
skills that I don't know if I would have beenable to had I worked maybe in a different
group.
I'm not sure, I just really valued my timeworking with men.
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But with women, we're just, we're different.
We have other thoughts, we have other ways ofcoming up with why we do what we do, whether
it's emotional, whether it's behavioural,whether it's psychological.
There's just so many variations to women.
And I think me being a woman and me goingthrough my own journey of almost understanding,
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I'm going to say this, my own kind of BS,right?
So there's a way to communicate to women that Ithink you need to have some sort of compassion
mixed with logic, mixed with emotion.
I've actually worked with a few men when itcomes to coaching, and they're very action
oriented.
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And as much as results are important to me, Ialso value going through that journey of really
understanding and clarifying why it is that wemaybe are in a situation that we are in, or why
it is that we're questioning things, or evenour limited beliefs are a little bit different
just because of the way we're builtgenetically.
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So for me, it was really important to take allmy lessons learned, my experience, as well as
my credentials, and work specifically withwomen.
What do you think are the some of the commonblocks with women when you start to work with
them?
Is it an agent stage block of their earlierinto their career versus you made the
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transition from corporate to entrepreneurship?
Are there some core blockers that you find whenyou work with women?
Maybe in the business let's start in thebusiness arena.
Let's say in the work life, work kind of end tothings.
What are some of the blocks that you findyourself working with women?
I think for me, let's speak to business first.
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What I noticed and what I did differently wassometimes there was this lack of confidence or
the shyness from being confident and speakingup, Where actually, believe it or not, in all
my areas of life, I never struggled withconfidence at work.
Even though I never knew anything, I would walkinto the room, I would hold my head high, I
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knew I belonged in the room, and you couldn'ttell me else that I didn't belong there.
So I think there's a sense of this confidencethat they belong there and that them being
there is enough.
Now granted, obviously, you back it up withyour work and your expertise, just knowing that
I think is the first step of having thatconfidence that you belong there.
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So I would say that's one limiting belief thatmaybe I've noticed.
It was young executive males, mean when I wasin corporate, they would think and likewise
with you, I always spoke up.
And sometimes I didn't have the answers, but Ifigured if I didn't, I would learn and always
thought to speak up.
But the males, the male executives in the roomthought nothing of it.
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It just naturally rolled
out the Natural.
Right.
And then they were equally as talented femalesin the room.
And you could see them just trying to muster upthe courage.
It'd be like, that basic fundamentaldifference, and that goes back to so many
variables with men and women, but that men justdon't ask permission.
They just go forward and they highlight in avery eloquent way what they've done and what
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they've touched and those types of things.
And then women, you're like, thinking, did thislast year and you did this.
It's not as eloquent flowing off their tongues,whereas men, they just kind of say, Well, I did
this, this, this, and yeah, I should do thisbecause I think I'm ready.
And you're like, I mean, the
other That's so normal.
And other women that you coach, you're like,well, I guess I should have thought of that,
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those types of things.
So just that you're so right.
It doesn't come as fluidly for a lot of women.
There are women now, I think, the youngergeneration like your time, my time in corporate
in the '90s and 2000s, it was still comingabout where you had the mentors.
You didn't see women, I'm gonna say, shoveling.
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It was a lot of shoveling in my time.
And now you see the sponsorships and you seewomen pulling up other women, which I think was
really refreshing to see with the youngergeneration, whereas in my time, it was more
like people felt like they had to pit againsteach other to be able to succeed.
No, it's a really good point.
And I actually, in my coaching, talk a lotabout imposter syndrome, right?
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Because as women, we do suffer from it.
And what I actually teach is stay away fromperforming.
You don't need to perform.
You just need to be, right?
You said something, Roxanne, that's reallyinteresting.
It's speaking up.
So I think not all of us have the ability tospeak up, right?
I think it's great if you do, but there's alsosomething to be said about quiet confidence,
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right?
So I wasn't the first one to speak up in aroom, but I was the first one to walk in with
my head held high, and like I owned the room,right?
I think some people will be better at maybeshowing that confidence to their energy, some
will be better at speaking up.
So really it's finding what works for you,where you're not performing, but you're just
being you.
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And I think that's how you really start to gainthat success and confidence is just doing
whatever works for you, but be you and show upconfident.
And not try to emulate somebody that you thinkI should be this way.
It was to your point, like I'm an extrovert andso the extroverts are generally going down the
line before thinking what they're going to say.
But then some introverted or ambroverts,whatever you want to label them, are there.
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When they do speak, it's so profound.
And you're like, wow, that was so good.
And those people oftentimes with that quietconfidence to your point, they can draw you in
because they know who they are.
Right?
So I think you know what I mean?
It's that it's that quiet confidence.
So confidence is definitely something that Iwould think that you coach a lot on.
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What else do you find with the women thatyou're coaching with business?
What are some of their concerns or blockagesthat you might have to work with?
I think another blockage that I work with isthis narrative that they have in their mind of
just their environment.
Let's say their family and friends have toldthem something and then they believe this
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narrative and go along with the narrative.
For example, I'll give you a real life examplethat I often face.
So if they're working at a company and they'renot happy, their family and friends are saying,
Oh, well, it's okay.
Just stick it through.
You'll be fine.
This is life.
So there is this narrative that's been nowabsorbed as their own narrative, but they're
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not happy because that's why they're coming tome, right?
They're feeling lost or stuck.
So really it's questioning and it's kind ofunlearning some of those subconscious beliefs
that they've developed through narrative oftheir environment.
And that's scary, right?
So when you don't have that level ofconsciousness, and having somebody tell you
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what your family and friends are speakingprobably from their perspective, we need to
step away, you're obviously feeling something'soff.
I'm not saying to leave your job, but I'msaying can it be fixed?
And most often times, things can be fixed.
It's just really, it's unlearning some of thosenarratives that you've developed in your
subconscious, and you think those are beliefs,right?
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So I think that's another one, really.
It's that narrative that women have.
And for some reason, Roxanne, and you canprobably speak to this more than I can, I'm
still in in my journey but women and ourbeliefs, like we hold them so true whereas it's
like, that's it.
Like, these are our beliefs and it's workingwith women to like really unravel what those
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beliefs are and why do you believe what youbelieve?
Are those really your values?
So, there's a lot of unlearning and questioningbefore we go into exploration that I have to do
with women where I find these narratives arejust kind of like stuck and they're fixed in
their mind but once we start unlearning themand then that's when I start seeing some
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transformation in their mindset.
They're like, No, I deserve better.
And maybe I should speak up.
And maybe I should try this.
And yeah, so probably narratives.
I
like that.
Yeah, I like the unlearning approach, right?
Because even like when my mom was a stay athome mother and I went off and went to school
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and did all these things.
So I mean, my mom, great guidance, but not onthe corporate end.
She probably would give me the guidance likeyou were saying your other clients would get.
Then you have to find that mentor or somethingor someone that's ahead of you.
And oftentimes, like with me, when my son wasyoung, I was traveling all the time.
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I was missing things.
And then there was the guilt between being mombut loving what I did, right?
And again, having that person ahead of you, ifyou have that in your lives or whatever, which
I think a lot of younger women have now.
That wasn't the case with me.
So I often had mentors at work, sometimesmostly men at that time, and who were
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phenomenal, to your point, but then startedgetting coaching.
I remember getting a coach relatively early sothat I could get that guidance to where do I
want to be?
What do I what skills do I have?
What things are blocked?
And that already allowed me to propel thingslike I'm talking way, way back in the early
nineties.
Kind of
coaching wasn't that big of a thing.
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I recognized that in order to kind of progressalong with the levels that I was looking for,
had to, you know, kind of get guidance fromsomeone who could, you know, kind of steer me.
But I think in today's day and age, it's kindof a normative kind of thing for people to seek
coaching guidance when they're stuck.
Right, yeah.
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And the beauty with coaching is when you'refeeling because it's usually feeling stuck or
lost or you're curious, right?
You're curious about your own development.
Those are usually the three reasons why someoneseeks a coach.
But the beauty with a coach is they actuallyhelp you in your present time, right?
I've got a lot of clients who've done years andyears of therapy, which is phenomenal.
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When you get into coaching, it's like, okay,we're working towards the issue you have right
now.
How do we move forward?
It's great that you were able to get a coacheven back then when maybe it wasn't as popular
because
Right, right, it wasn't.
But I think I realized it and it was now Ithink back the investment that I made back
then, good younger version of myself, becauseit's really what propelled the doors that got
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opened as I was kind of trying to maneuver upand get where I wanted to be.
And because I, like your clients, I felt, okay,I'm missing something.
I need to make a step, but I don't know how doI do it?
What's the right fit.
When I did assessments at that time, I couldsee where the misalignment was with where I was
at.
And then I started to search for positions thatwere more in alignment.
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And once I got into that stream, I was playingdollhouse kind of thing.
I was so happy because then I was like, ding,ding, ding, wow.
And I just went through my career with thatknowledge so that the decisions that I made in
the future were additive, right?
Not going backwards to say, I should stay.
You have families, you have homes, you have allthat stuff to be concerned about.
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But luckily having that someone to just bethere for you who could just listen to you with
that objective lens, like you said, in thepresent, not, yeah, you might need to
understand a pattern, but it's kind of like,Now what do you need to do?
No.
It's interesting because your journey soundslike you were able to get clarity pretty early
on and then make decisions based on your valuesthat were in alignment with whatever decisions
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you made.
So I think we're all looking for clarity inthings, because once you're clear and once you
have a perspective of clarity, decision makingis easy.
It's not hard, right?
Decision making is hard when you're not clear.
And then your experience to me, I don't know,when you're talking, it just screams like you
were able to get that clarity from coaching,which is really like that's the result we want
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to provide as coaches to our clients, is helpthem gain clarity.
So then that way
they start
making decisions.
Yeah.
It becomes everything kinda the decisionsbecome up in alignment, and then you're not
looking for that validation.
You might you obviously go out to someone afterthe fact, but you kinda come from a different
position to say, this is what I'm thinking.
Do you have some perspective versus what do youthink I should do?
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Which is a different cause.
Right?
Yeah.
Let's talk
about I love that.
Let's talk about home because I know I'm gonnaassume that women still have a lot of
challenges, probably a little bit differentfrom like I said, when I left corporate,
goodness, back in 2010.
Right?
So this is I would say lots has happened sincethen.
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What struggles are women having with or arethey having struggles with work life balance?
I I think I know the answer to that, but Iwanna see hear what you have to say.
Absolutely.
Yes.
I think I think this perception that there issuch thing as balance, I personally don't
believe in it.
I think in life you're in a certain phase oryou're in a certain wave and whatever that
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means for you, you find whatever balance basedon your priorities.
I think having a work life balance isimportant.
It might change day to day or week to week, butreally it's figuring out what works for you.
I worked with women who had little kids, and Iwould imagine how difficult it would be
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sometimes to miss some of those milestones,attending the school dances or shows.
I really think that this work life balanceperception is that, yes, it's difficult, so
understand that it's difficult to achieve.
Can you make it better for you based on yourpriority?
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Yes.
But I think, again, it's going to always changebased on where you are in life.
And what I also teach my clients, which isimportant, is have one to three priorities a
day, and that is your balance.
So if you've got to work, if you've to takecare of the kids, if you have to do self care,
those are your three priorities.
That's it.
Focus on that rather than trying to beeverywhere to everyone.
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Like that is just not realistic.
So I think we're still going through this shiftof understanding what work life balance is.
I mean, think about it.
Women haven't been working that much, right, toreally understand the secret to that.
So I think we're still learning.
But do I think there's such thing as work lifebalance?
That's an absolute.
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Absolutely not.
Do I think that there's ways that you canimprove it?
Yes.
And I think it's staying focused to small stepsdaily and know that it can shift and that's
okay.
That's reality.
Yeah, and I think one thing I learned reallywhen my son was young was when I was at work,
tried to focus just being at work.
And when I was home, I just tried to cut off asmuch just to try to be at home.
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But now we're in a different environment wherepeople are working from home.
So there's lots of kind of pilfering in ofthat, right, like to some degree.
Especially if you think of through thepandemic, Serena, when the kids were young, all
the women that I was coaching then, wasdifficult for them because not that their
partners weren't helping, and I would say thatmen are they are stepping up to roles and
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helping a lot, but still a lot of it falls onthe mom the the keeper of the family, all that
stuff.
But I think couples are getting better atrecognizing that they want their children to
have an experience with both parents so thatfathers are definitely more involved.
It's a conversation about what's it going tolook like if we're both deciding that we want
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to have children and you're wanting to keepyour career going as well.
Exactly.
And I think one secret that has been helpful ishave your non negotiable from day one.
So, just know what that is, right?
Whether it's your non negotiable is date nightwith your partner, whether your non negotiable
is turning off at a certain time, it's justhave it and stick by it and figure out what
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that is because I think that then will helpeliminate some of the pressure and stress that
we as women put on ourselves, right?
It's have this non negotiable, maybe one or twothings and stick by it no matter what.
Because people respect you if you'reconsistent.
They will not respect you though if you're flipfloppy.
So I do think that is really important.
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And whether it's for yourself, whether it's foryour partner, whether it's for your kids, you
figure that out yourself, right?
But having non negotiable I think helps withwork life balance.
Absolutely, see it's not balanced, it's like ateeter totter, right?
Harmony!
It's like work effectiveness probably is abetter word, because sometimes you feel
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completely effective one place and then you'relike, oh no, I'm off kilter gear.
But like to your point is what is the kind ofthe middle ground for you and what are the
things that are the givens that you recognizethat you if those are out of alignment, then
ultimately then it's going to be tough for youto be able to keep enjoying the beautiful life
that you've probably created.
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Yeah.
Now, in reference to the transition that youmade, and if there are women that are thinking
of making transitions to go off on their own inyour path, what did you experience kind of
creating that path from corporate on to kind ofbeing an entrepreneur?
Yeah, oh wow, I wish we had more time.
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But I think for me, having experienced successin corporate and then branching out on my own,
there was a sense of being a bit naive tothinking, yeah, I do want to say that there was
a sense of being naive to thinking, oh, I'vegot this, I've succeeded before.
This shouldn't be as much of an issue as maybeI thought.
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I knew it was going to take time, but I waslike, oh, I got this.
So I think there is a sense of being a bitnaive with not really understanding what it is
to really start your own business and work foryourself.
So anyone that's even thinking about it, A,find something that you're really good at or
passionate about.
Because there's going to be some hard times,and unless you're clear about that, you might
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fear out and go back to a regular, whether it'scorporate or a job.
But I think you have to understand that there'sgoing to be some hard work where you're not
being acknowledged, have nobody kind of lookingover you and saying, Hey, you don't have
resources.
I think that was a big one, not knowing howmuch resources companies provide you.
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You're just really on your own.
So I think that was a big lesson learned.
Again, it was someone who did really well inbusiness, understood finances and everything,
yet still I was a little bit naive.
So I was blindsided by that, I think just fromlack of experience.
Working for myself, probably that.
And then the second thing was, so when Istarted the whole coaching journey, I knew that
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I was going to impact people's personal lives.
And that was a lot of pressure, right?
Because I think it's one thing to step into abusiness room and talk business and talk
finance.
It's another to be one on one with someone andreally have this positive influence on their
life so that they can also find their path.
I think for me, there was this sense ofresponsibility where I wanted to make sure that
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whatever it is that I do, I guide my clients.
I'm never interjecting perspective on them.
It was really important for me not to have anyquick fixes.
It was a long term journey and giving them theright tools that they can use for their life
long term was something that was reallyimportant to me.
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So it took me a little bit longer to work on myown coaching program and my own context because
I really wanted to add that value that wasimportant to me.
So yeah, it took me a little bit longer, but Ithought very well of how I wanted my results to
look like for my clients, how responsible Ifelt.
So I think leading for me with integrity wasreally important.
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So there was a little bit of delay in mysuccess, but that had its purpose.
So yeah, just understanding no matter how goodyou are at stuff, when you start something new,
it's a new journey.
You're a student all over again, so having thatopen perspective is important.
Staying focused on, again, doing what you'rereally good at or you're passionate about will
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help you go and get through those challengingtimes.
And then understanding, okay, what kind ofvalue do you want to bring?
Again, whether it's to a person or to a certainorganization, and then stick with it.
Because I think, again, consistency is key toreaching success.
Absolutely.
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And being authentically, I always say, what'sthe internal GPS saying?
But you have to get quiet to be able to reallystay connected.
I mean, like in your day, we were talking justbefore and talking about our busy days.
There's so much going on day to day that youreally And I think for me as a woman, it's
really still taking that time to just have thatquiet something that really helps me.
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And when I go for extended periods of time, Icould feel myself just being weeply wobbly.
Like, I'm getting through the day and I'm doingthe thing, but it's not feeling right.
So I think that connection to self throughwhatever method works for you, and lots of
people do it in different ways, that's veryimportant.
Rosaria, this has been an amazing conversation.
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So for people that are looking to connect andthat are wanting to maybe consider doing some
coaching, where might they get ahold of you andthings like your website and things like that.
Yeah, no, you can find me online atwww.zerenalifecoach.com.
There is a contact form there where you canreach out to me depending on whether you have a
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question or a specific area of coaching you'reinterested in.
Also on Instagram you can find me atzerenalifecoach.
And yeah, a of Thank
you so much.
And I think, yeah, you bring a perspective,obviously, to women out there, that's a bit
younger generation as well.
I think women are doing so many big things inthe world and getting that extra guidance and
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having someone to support them is so, so verykey.
Like I said, in my path, it was instrumentalfor the things that I was able to do.
And I would say, you know, anyone struggling oreven if you don't know, like, to Serena's
point, sometimes it's just, I'm curious.
Right.
Nothing's wrong.
I'm curious.
This is where you can move the needle on somany things in your life just by having a
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conversation with a coach.
So everyone, thanks again for tuning in.
What's new with me is that I am starting acourse on the ROR book that I did last year, so
that will be starting in June.
It's called the ROR plush program for burnt outleaders that wanna manage their teams.
Just reach out to me at Roxanne Durhodge.
Roxanne at Roxanne Durhodge dot com.
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I'll give you the details and the start dates,and I look forward to connecting with anyone
that would like more information.
Again, Zarina, thanks so much.
And, everyone, thanks for hanging out with us,and we'll talk to you again soon.
Take care.
Thanks for tuning in to Authentic Living withRoxanne, creating the space for positive,
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healthy change.
Roxanne is a keynote speaker, psychotherapist,and coach.
To work with Roxanne, visitroxannederhaj.com/blueprint.
We'll see you next time on Authentic Livingwith Roxanne.
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