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June 18, 2025
In this episode, Jeremie and Edouard Harris, co-founders of Gladstone AI and national security advisors, join us to break down the real score in the U.S.–China AI race. We unpack what it actually means to “win” in AI: from cutting-edge model development and compute infrastructure to data center vulnerabilities, state-sponsored espionage, and the rise of robotic warfare. The Harris brothers explain why energy is the hidden battleground, how supply chains have become strategic liabilities, and why export controls alone won’t save us. This is not just a geopolitical showdown - it’s a race for superintelligence, and the clock is ticking. ------ 💫 LIMITLESS | SUBSCRIBE & FOLLOW https://limitless.bankless.com/ https://x.com/LimitlessFT ------ BANKLESS SPONSOR TOOLS: 🪙FRAX | SELF SUFFICIENT DeFi https://bankless.cc/Frax 🦄UNISWAP | SWAP ON UNICHAIN https://bankless.cc/unichain 🛞MANTLE | MODULAR LAYER 2 NETWORK https://bankless.cc/Mantle 🌐CELO | BUILD TOGETHER AND PROSPER https://bankless.cc/Celo 🟠 BINANCE | THE WORLDS #1 CRYPTO EXCHANGE https://bankless.cc/binance ------ TIMESTAMPS 0:00 Intro 1:05 AI race: who's ahead? 4:41 Framing AI as an arms race 12:58 Gov't awareness of AI conflict 20:38 AI reports feel like sci-fi 24:44 China vs US: model race 29:11 Shift to inference-time compute 31:19 China’s software vs US hardware 34:28 Open vs closed source politics 38:56 China’s energy dominance 43:32 America’s electric grid lag 47:55 Supply chain vulnerabilities 56:30 US chipmaking onshoring 1:01:08 U.S. lead in chips 1:04:00 DUV vs EUV bottlenecks 1:08:26 Manufacturing gap in robotics 1:11:53 Fear vs optimism in culture 1:17:26 Coordination vs dynamism 1:22:10 Bot-driven opinion warfare 1:25:58 China pushing degrowth narratives? 1:29:05 National security recommendations 1:33:36 Co-op or conflict endgame? 1:37:27 Closing ------ RESOURCES Jeremie Harris https://x.com/jeremiecharris Edouard Harris https://x.com/harris_edouard America’s Superintelligence Project https://superintelligence.gladstone.ai/ ------ Not financial or tax advice. See our investment disclosures here: https://www.bankless.com/disclosures⁠
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