February 26, 2025 • 47 mins
In this episode of Goal Slayer, host Kaitlin Anthony sits down with Maddison Koper, Esq.—the Life Coach Lawyer—to explore the beautiful intersection of passion and practicality. With an energetic yet grounded vibe, Maddison shares her unique journey of transforming overwhelming legal complexities into empowering, actionable insights for entrepreneurs. She reveals how blending legal know-how with wellness practices can create a solid foundation for doing what you truly love, all while keeping the balance between business and self-care.
Listeners will be treated to candid stories and practical advice on why investing in legal support is not just about compliance, but about securing peace of mind and building a life that resonates with your deepest values. Maddison walks through essential topics like entity formation, contracts, and trademarks, showing that the right legal strategies can free you from the chaos of trying to do it all on your own. Her refreshing approach encourages us to stop playing the martyr and start embracing the power of delegation.
The conversation also delves into the importance of balance and wellness in entrepreneurship. Through practices like mindful breathwork, gratitude, and intuitive self-assessment, Maddison explains how nurturing your inner self is the key to sustained creativity and resilience. This episode is a call to all women who are striving to merge their multifaceted passions into a life that’s not only successful but also deeply fulfilling.
Key Highlights:
- Doing What You Love: Embracing your passions while managing the practicalities of legal obligations.
- Legal Essentials for Entrepreneurs: Simplifying concepts like entity formation, contracts, and trademarks.
- Balance and Wellness: Integrating breathwork, gratitude, and self-care into your daily routine.
- Mindful Entrepreneurship: Investing in peace of mind and trusting your intuition for a thriving business.
- Real Talk for Real Women: Authentic insights on overcoming overwhelm and embracing your unique journey.
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(00:01):
Madison, what is up, girl?
I'm so excited to have you on Goalslayer.
Hello, so excited to be here.
we're about to have some serious fun y'all listen.
This video is also on YouTube.
So if you don't watch podcasts or you have never this is the one to watch because Madisonhas got some fab glasses on today.
(00:23):
I'm just I'm in my bright yellow.
She's in her fab little sweater that I just thought I was gonna go and buy because it's sodamn cute.
So anyway, I I really was attracted to Madison and her mission and everything when
I ran into her at a women's event.
What was that, October?
(00:44):
Yeah.
don't, yeah, September, October, November, one of these dates.
Well, it all runs together.
But first of all, she caught my attention in her fabulous outfits, first of all, becausewe so have the same, like we're kind of, we both love to dress a little retro, colorful,
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unique.
But then what's so cool is that she's like, yeah, I'm an attorney, but I'm also a coach.
I'm also I was like, who is this like magical butterfly?
I must be her friend.
And since then, we've done some legal stuff together.
Because listen, if you don't want to bro doing your legal work, Madison's your girl.
(01:28):
Because I mean, I'm pretty sure none of my listeners want to bro.
So let's dive into that first, Madison.
Tell me a little bit about like life coach lawyer.
We don't hear that.
Yeah, so I always start off by introducing myself with like, then I am statement that hasnothing to do with my business, right?
So in general, I am a super fun, bright, bubbly, happy, balanced person that loves likefitness and wellness and myself and other fun people and all good things, right?
(02:00):
Positive vibes, all the woo woo.
So that's like really who I am at my core.
And
When I knew I'd be an attorney, so we can skip to that part, the last part of life coachlawyer, right?
I always knew I would be an attorney, a lawyer.
I said at 13, I wanted a job where could talk a lot, dress cute and help people, veryaligned with who I am today.
(02:23):
Check, check, check.
And I knew that was my destiny, right?
And then I also just had a very strong sense of self.
And so when I was getting to the end of my schooling and my education,
I had to figure out a way to do it my way and to be that whole happy, balanced human in avery non-balanced career.
(02:47):
So life coach lawyer came to me in a dream.
I was working in the post-conviction clinic, which is the Innocence Project, helpingprisoners basically get out on parole or prove that they were innocent and wrongfully
convicted.
And that's a super non-balanced environment.
Yeah.
struggling and so I was meditating every single day and it dropped in, Life Coach Lawyer,and that was it.
(03:11):
That was what my career was meant to be.
So that's my umbrella brand.
I launched my own firm right out of law school, which only 0.6 % of attorneys do, and acoaching business, and another business was born out of that as well.
And so it embodies everything.
(03:31):
The symbol is three triangles.
It's all about balance, my life, my coaching, and my lawyer.
love that.
And I'd be willing to bet that, okay, point six is already so small.
But how many of those points six are actually females?
You know what I mean?
(03:53):
Or successful?
Yeah.
So I'm already set sets you apart.
But also, it's such a good reminder that to not discount these little drop in moments thatwe have, when
we are taking time for ourselves.
And one of the biggest things I do within my community is like, I, I it's like my soapbox,like you cannot get where you want to go unless you take a minute to like do some self
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reflection to do the meditation to get quiet to get still to separate yourself.
Because that's where the magic happens.
That's where we get these ideas life coach lawyer.
And then when we get them, we need to remember to trust it because if the dream comes toyou, it's for you for a reason.
And it's the reason it came to you and not me.
(04:40):
Like, I didn't get Life Coach Lawyer.
Right?
And so there was a reason that that came to you.
And I think that's so special and a reminder to like lean in and trust those things thatcome to us.
You know, I don't want to make this conversation too much about legal, but I want to touchon it just for a second, because there are a lot of female entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs
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in general in my community and that listen to this podcast.
there's so much like, ambiguity on like, okay, I'm just a really small business.
Like I don't have a lot of revenue yet.
Like, do I really need legal if I am doing if I am going to pay for legal?
(05:26):
What are the first things I really need?
So I like I said, I don't want to go too much down that route.
But give us a little bit on like the 411 for these
sole business owners who are trying to navigate these waters and like, you know, you'reyou're talking with a bro attorney who's like, need this, this, this, this, this, it's
like, do I I don't know.
(05:47):
So give us the T what do really need?
Yes, I'm happy to provide a clear and simple answer because I feel like that's what'slacking and that's what I want when I'm seeking some kind of professional help.
Like, I don't know about accounting, you know what I mean?
I just need an answer.
So happy to provide that.
My Instagram also, Sunshine Law Firm, that's the law firm specifically, has just like lotsof just like, this is what you need.
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This is how much it's going to cost.
So I've set Sunshine Law Firm up to serve
a baby business owner, exactly the kind of person that you're talking about, or somebodywho's a very advanced entrepreneur that has lots going on and multiple businesses and a
parent company and all those things.
And really they all kind of need the same thing.
So the three main services that I say I offer are an LLC or entity formation.
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So maybe you're forming a nonprofit, but an LLC that you file with your state, everybodyhas a different state filing fee.
We do it for a flat fee.
All the prices are on my website so you can just see what it's going to cost you.
Set it in the budget.
You know what I mean?
Then you do need contracts, especially if you're a service based business.
It's going to save you so much headache.
(06:58):
And then a trademark is the third one.
That one's a little bit pricier, but it is a huge investment and a very long process andsomething that becomes the number one asset in your business is your intellectual
property, your brand name, and it's going to cost you way more.
in the future if you have to rebrand and start all your marketing over and not to mentionthe energy and soul sucking that that takes.
(07:23):
So those are the three things that, you know, I set everybody up with to succeed.
There's multiple steps, of course, that come with each one of those things.
And I offer 30 minute free consultations to make all of that information super accessible.
I just want to be able to vibe check, make sure you like me.
I like you, of course.
(07:43):
and then like tell you what you need because most people don't even know, right?
Like they're like the law.
That's what I know.
That's all I know.
What else is there?
And so I'm just like here to give that information and offer it as excessively and freelyas I possibly can.
I always say I did not spend $100,000 on a legal education to keep this shit to myself.
(08:06):
take my brain powder.
Well, and I so appreciate how simple you make that too.
Because even like I said, we just met.
But it was one of those things where I was like, well, shit, I've got some business needs.
Like, you guys, I literally I've had an LLC, but you have to file every year.
And I was like, why is legal?
I don't even know what legal zoom is charging me for this feels like total bogus.
(08:29):
And if it is the right fee, great, but I don't even know what I'm doing.
And then we have this Boi Boir.
Is that what it is?
Yeah, so I'm like, there's all these things.
I don't even want to think about it.
I don't want to think about it.
So what did I do called Madison, we chatted for like 20 freaking minutes.
And I was like, just here, like handle it.
(08:51):
Because again, like this is what how your brain operates.
And I am a huge, like I just spent an hour on a call, a community call where I was like,
2025 is the year you stop being the martyr.
And just because you can figure it out, like, could I figure out how to do a BIR?
Yeah, I'm smart.
I could figure it out.
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can go, I don't want to.
The time that I would spend doing that, it's A, not my natural habitat, if you will.
And so I could spend that working with a client and having 3X the amount of
energy expenditure, financial expenditure, that I could just, okay, thank you.
(09:32):
Thank you for taking care of that for me.
So I encourage you, even if you have some things like stop being the martyr, stop tryingto figure out how to do it all yourself.
Like I promise you finding people who are a genius in the things that you're not a geniusin is what makes you a more of a genius.
Okay.
So.
I'm a business owner too, right?
Like I own multiple different businesses in different areas, different things going on,you know, and one of the best lessons that I learned early on as an entrepreneur.
(10:01):
And I in part learned this from working in a job where I will add a law firm thatbasically kind of failed, you know, meant to be of course, however it was for him and his
situation.
But I saw a lot of things go wrong.
And one of the first things that I saw that didn't align was
not investing in the right people for one, and then like over investing in the wrongareas.
(10:25):
And so what I've kind of come to learn is just to invest in your peace of mind, first andforemost, especially when it comes to something like legal or like for me, accounting or a
website, you know, that that's not my zone of genius.
And so investing in your peace of mind, just knowing that everything is clean and doneright.
(10:46):
and you understand it is so huge because then you can move forward in full confidence.
And that's what you have to have as a business owner.
Like that's the golden, the golden piece of it is confidence.
And so if you're just sketched out by things and if things aren't working or you don'treally know, you're not going to have that confidence to move forward.
Yeah, and I really appreciate that, like the value of peace of mind, like done, mic drop,so, so good.
(11:13):
Yeah, cause you're, right now I don't have to worry about those things.
like, and I think you, even saw your, your post the other day about the B O I R how likeit's gotten pushed back or things have changed, but it's like, I don't give a shit.
Mine's already done.
Like I don't have to think about whether you do it in 20 years from now and you change therule or you do it.
in six months.
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I don't have to think about it now.
Bye.
Done.
Moving on.
So it's the power and peace of mind.
I love it so much.
You already mentioned a little bit.
You've got three entities, lots of things you're doing.
Also, you have a personal life.
how do you?
And also, you already said your triangle, your brand is all about balance.
(11:55):
And I think that's a really interesting concept, because a lot of attorneys I even know or
entrepreneurs like work themselves into the ground like hustle harder burnout all thethings like how do you keep all these parts of your life going and moving and not like
dropping the plate if you will like yeah tell us about that
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I love balance.
It's everything to me.
It keeps me going.
I am a, you know, a highly efficient and productive person that has lots of passions andwants to do all the things.
And so I've managed to do that kind of throughout my whole adult life.
I specifically studied lawyer well-being and the burnout rates while I was in law school.
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And that's part of how Life Coach Lawyer was born.
I wrote like a whole long, you know, 30 plus page paper in law school about
lawyer well-being and basically came up with this concept called holistic lawyering,where, you know, you're just leading a heart led service based business essentially, you
know, not that hard to figure out.
So that's kind of like part of it when it comes to like the legal services specifically,because just that in itself is a very high stress industry, right?
(13:10):
We're the last stop, we're the ones giving the advice.
Most lawyers have alcoholism and depression and anxiety and suicide.
And I was like,
I'm a sunshine girl.
We are not doing any of that.
No, no for me.
and in general, this do more of what you love.
That is everything.
And that's really the answer.
(13:31):
So like this, the research shows, the science shows that efficacy is how you cure burnout,which is not doing less.
It's doing more.
It's doing more of what gives you meaning and what feels good.
And so I
I don't like to say I work hard because I don't necessarily work hard sometimes.
I don't.
But you know, like, yeah, I do a lot of work or things that end up making me make money.
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And I also play a lot.
My life is very full.
Right.
I want I want less time just sitting on the couch binge watching Netflix.
I want more time out and about and doing new things and exploring and hanging out with myfriends and, you know, just doing things that fill my life with joy.
So it's about doing
more actually of the things that you love and and not just trying to constantly get thingsoff your plate knowing that there's this quote, hold on, let me see if I can get it right.
(14:26):
You know, need to I need to like sticky note it because I have been quoting it a lotrecently.
It's like you can't complain about being full when you asked for a full plate or somethinglike that.
You know what I mean?
Like you can't you can't whine about being full when you asked for it.
And so that
That's a big part of it too, just being like, I created all of this.
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Every single one of us created every ounce of our life and I take responsibility for it.
It is mine and I can also change it at any time if it's not feeling aligned, if it's notfeeling right.
So just constantly checking in, having those moments of self reflection to be like, youknow, how's it going?
How am I feeling?
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How's my physical body?
How's my wellness and am I doing the things that make me feel good?
Do I have time for them?
There's always time for them.
Am I making the time for them, right?
Which I do a pretty good job of luckily, but of course it's good to check in every once ina while.
Sometimes I realize like, shit, I didn't get up and go outside at all all day long.
(15:30):
Like that can't be, need to make sure I'm getting some sunshine breaks and taking someblocks and things like that.
So just check ins, that's helpful too.
Yeah, I'd love to know like your definition of balance because I you'll often find me saybalances bullshit, which I think is so interesting because anytime someone's all about
balance, I'm like, let's explore this.
(15:52):
I use the harmony more.
Because to me, when I think of balance, I actually think of like, you know, obviously,what are those things called in the you see them all the time with attorneys like the
scales, right?
So
as mom, as a business owner, as a wife, as a friend, sister, daughter, all the thingsright, like, I can't like when I think of like both sides of a scale being exactly equal,
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that stresses me out more and causes more imbalance in me.
I'm like, there's never everything.
There's never a perfect balance.
I'm always, you know, it's a it's a rotating given flow, if you will.
So I'm curious, like, how do you define balance?
Like, what is that actually like?
look like for you because I know that to do all this, we have to have some kind of likeroutines or habits or like actual representation.
(16:48):
And yes, school me a little bit on on why balance and why that word is so important toyou.
Mm So it's fun to have a conversation with somebody who is a balances bullshit person.
I hear that sometimes and I'm like, they don't know they don't know.
And and maybe it is just like a language thing, right?
I like that word harmony to like is your life feeling harmonious?
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Is it feeling like it's flowing nicely?
And let's see, let's see if I can define balance.
I don't know if I have a clear cut definition, definitely food for thought.
I'll think about it and I'll get back to you of like what that
could actually be like condensed down into.
think for me what it looks like is making sure that I feel good.
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I think that that's what I always really come back to, right?
So I am a fitness instructor.
teach Pilates.
I'm a yogi.
I've been in the fitness space for a really long time.
It's where I was able to like lead and advise people before I had my law degree, knowingthat like that's the world that I wanted to be in in life.
And then I've just always really taken good care of myself, luckily.
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And so ultimately, I think I start there.
Like, is my physical body feeling good?
Am I constantly getting tension headaches because I have so much stress in my traps?
Is my back aching?
Am I bloated?
Like, starting with kind of that physical assessment of myself, my being, right?
Body keeps the score.
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And then again, coming into that time piece.
So what like a day in the life looks like for me,
It's always a little different right like the world the role of an entrepreneur the roleof somebody who is just very fluid and flexible So right now I wake up early I spend time
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in bed enjoying the morning take it nice and slow Maybe I read maybe I water the plants orclean up the house I usually get to work doing actual legal work or like responding to
emails kind of admin stuff or like on the computer work around nine ish
Then I take many breaks.
get up, I walk around, play with the dogs, eat breakfast with my husband, go outside forlunch, kind of come back to and from my desk.
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Maybe I move around the house a little bit with my laptop just so that I'm not stagnantand feeling stuck at my desk.
Like the point of being home and having an old office is to be free.
And then normally I wrap up around four.
In that time of work, I could be on calls all day.
I could be podcasting.
I could be in a workshop.
I could be in a networking group or anything, right?
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Or just doing straight legal work all day long.
Sometimes that's the case too.
So then wrap up around four, usually head to the gym, maybe go on a hike.
And then I call it a day, right?
Like then it's the rest of my life.
It's not about what I'm doing to make money.
And then I do work on the weekends a lot, cause we host events through my...
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the life brand, is called Mad Conscious, where we host wellness events here at our houseand then just do like all kinds of other events out in the world as well.
I teach Pilates and this space called the shop.
And so we work, work a lot on the weekends as well, but it's fun.
Like it's a good time.
Everything I do is fun and a good time.
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And so it never feels like too much.
And if it is feeling like too much, I can.
run off to San Diego and say, bye, guess what?
I'm the boss.
I can take off whenever I want.
And that's a good life.
Yeah, I actually I hear a lot from you in terms of like, so, you know, life coach to lifecoach, right?
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Our job as coaches is to like, hear between the lines.
And what I heard so much from you, and we were trying to like define balance.
But when you gave me like that day in the life, what I loved so much is that it wasn'tconcrete.
wasn't like from five to six, I'm doing that six to seven, there was no rigidity.
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And that's the sometimes like the word that's associated with balance is like thisrigidity, this like structure, this discipline, and it feels so masculine, right?
And so I love that you brought such femininity to that, like, hmm, sometimes I feel likegoing to the gym.
Sometimes I feel like taking a hike.
Sometimes I feel like eating outside.
Sometimes I feel like podcasting, right?
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There was not like, I'm doing this, this, this.
was, you used a lot of the words of sometimes and sometimes usually is intuition.
100%.
100%.
thanks so much for sharing that, because I think sometimes it's, you know, I always liketo be super real on this show, because something I found really frustrating at the
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beginning of my entrepreneurship journey was I was looking at all these women on socialmedia, and everything looked so fucking perfect.
It looked like, damn, they've got their outfits put together.
Life is going amazing.
It's all just like flowing and while me that might be true 80 to 90 % of the time.
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I didn't know the how like it felt really there was a disconnect and I was like, well,yeah, but like, I've got a three year old or, you know, I'm going through a divorce or
like life is really sticky right now or like, I came out as queer at the age of 33.
So that was something I had to like navigate all of these things.
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where it's like balance seemed overwhelming.
But I think when we share behind the scenes more like you just did so like vulnerably andcandidly, it's awesome to be able to say like, that doesn't mean I have to have this like
perfect morning routine and like, you know, do X amount of emails and have X amount ofcalls.
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And that just feels so masculine and not.
aligned for so many people.
And that's why it feels out of touch.
So thanks.
Thanks so much for breaking that down.
Yeah, and I feel like whenever you set standards like that, expectations, feel likeexpectations always set you up for failure, right?
You're literally asking for a harder day than it needs to be.
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And it took me a long time.
I think this, you know, social media plays a role in it.
It's like, okay, in my spiritual journey, it's like, okay, do I have to journal everysingle day?
Do I have to meditate every single day?
Do I have to practice yoga every single day in order to qualify as like a woo woo yogi?
Nope.
You sure don't, but it took me a really long time to, not a really long time, I I'm only28, right?
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So I do feel very grateful that I've learned a lot of these lessons fairly young.
And I've been able to build just really strong practices that are intuitive based.
took me a really, or okay, I shouldn't say that.
It took me some time to figure out when I feel called to journal, when I hear that call,okay, go, go journal.
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If I feel called to meditate, okay, go.
And I do trust myself so much.
Again, I believe that's one of the foundations to confidence.
My name's like next to the word confidence.
My picture is next to the word confidence in the dictionary.
It's just like innate in my being.
And trusting myself has been a huge part of why that is because I, you know, this is bold,right?
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I know I'm right.
I know what works for me.
I know what feels good for me.
And so if it's journaling that morning,
if it's sleeping in when maybe I shouldn't because I'm a boss bitch like I'm sleeping inlike I'm doing what feels good and ultimately that's what keeps me going and thriving in
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my creativity high so that I have new fresh ideas and most importantly my mantra for theyear I had it on this board for like months is I don't chase I attract and as an
entrepreneur that's everything because your energy has to be magnetic.
Yes.
Yeah, it truly has to be.
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I think that what is that?
It's like the Henry Ford quote.
It's like, if you think you're right or not, or something, you're right.
And I think, yeah, it is bold to say I'm right.
But that's really how our brain receives things.
Our brain doesn't know anything other than what we tell it.
So it's like your friends could all think, wow, you're the smartest, most amazing, mostcreative person in the world.
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But if your brain doesn't believe that, you're right.
You're correct.
And if your brain believes you are the most powerful, creative, amazing person, you'reright.
So nobody knows you better than you.
And so the biggest gift that we can give ourselves is that trust.
I feel like that's a great theme for this podcast because balance, from what I'm hearingfrom you, is trust.
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Right?
It's trusting that you know what you need and that when that intuitive hit comes for you,you're not going to second guess it.
You're just going to lean in harder.
And I love yoga myself.
And one of the best things that a teacher instructor shared one time during a class waslike, we were doing some pose.
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And I was having a really hard time.
And she was just talking to the class in general.
And she's like, it's okay to fall out, just come right back in.
And I always think about that how it's so relatable to life is like, sometimes we thinkwhen we fall out of things that it's like, God, I just, I'm so shitty.
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How did I not hold that together?
I should have been able to I've been doing this so long, I should be able to get to thisnow.
And it's like, no, just lean right back in, go right back into it.
So I want to talk a little bit more about
your wellness part of all of this, because how do you like bring wellness more into yourlife that helps to amplify some of these these other things, because I do think that
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that's a missing component, especially we're going into a new year, right.
And a lot of people have these big ambitious goals.
This is nothing new.
This has been going on since the dawn of time when January 1st comes.
I think it's pretty foolish to have massive business goals, but have zero health orwellness goals, right?
(27:20):
Like talk about balance, right?
Like how you get here is by taking care of here.
So tell us a little bit more about like your wellness and how you like nurture yourselffrom a soul level rather than just like,
Here's the hit list of things that I do.
Like who are you at that soul level and how are you nurturing yourself?
(27:42):
I love this question.
is like, this is like what I think about as frequently as I possibly can.
It's like, this is the fun stuff, right?
So luckily at a very young age, I swear it was like one of those drop in magic momentsfrom the universe at a very young age and a very difficult childhood, like very difficult.
(28:04):
I would just think about my breath.
Like I would just be like.
And then I would think about it, I remember looking out the window, I driving on longdrives, I'm from Texas, same, right?
Texas girls, long drives, long road trips through the hill country, and I would look outthe window and I would start to think about my breath and my breathing patterns.
Imagine a chaotic, crazy car screaming parents for other kids, brothers and sisters, andcousins, and all kinds of stuff.
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And I would think about my breath so much that I would kind of forget.
how to breathe and I would do that from a young age and so I swear the universe dropped inlike breathwork for me at a very very young age and so I was able to build on that
practice.
I started meditating and breathing very intentionally around 16 literally just trying tosave myself knowing that I was destined for greatness and a beautiful beautiful life and
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it was just a matter of time to get me out
of my small town and basically to higher education.
And so that's been an insanely just impactful foundation of my life is having that strongbreath work and just connection to my breath.
That is our life force.
You can go days and weeks without food and water.
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You can fast.
You can only go a few minutes without your breath.
And I truly believe that our breath is our medicine and our superpower.
And so just tapping into that connection with myself, my literal life force as frequentlyas I possibly can, sitting here in my day to day, sitting here while I'm on this podcast,
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while I'm cooking food, while I'm walking to my car, just in all situations because that'show we live, right?
So just trying to be more intentional with my breath brings so much power in the rest ofmy life.
That's been a huge foundational piece of filling my soul.
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And then gratitude.
That's it.
Like those are the two magic pieces.
That's all you need is strong breath and a grateful heart, which can be as simple as justlisting off all the random things you see in your room that you can and should be grateful
for.
That shifts you into a really positive mindset and then just makes the rest of your life.
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sunny and bright and happy.
And so those two practices are the things that I do that fill my soul to make me justenriched and lively and fun and confident and at peace.
That's like been a big one that I've been working on for the last couple of years.
And especially in my role as an attorney, like I sign all my emails, peace, even if it islike conflict with another attorney, I'm like, we're here for peace, buddy, I promise.
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So, you know, just all those things that add up to make a good life.
It starts with breath work and gratitude.
I like love you for saying that so much because also it's fucking free.
Breathwork and gratitude cost you nothing, but the impact is priceless.
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Priceless.
I don't talk about breathwork as much as I should, but I am a, mean, people in mycommunity are like, if Caitlin mentions gratitude one more time, I think I might stab her
in the eye.
No, I'm just,
But it comes back to that.
And I'm so glad you said that because I always say the thing that gets me through all is Iwake up every day and I'm like, what's going right in my life today?
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Because the amount of time it takes you to think about what's going wrong and the amountof time it takes you to think about what's going right is the same.
But the energy you use, one's like depletes and one fills.
So it's just one of those things like getting into that simple
practice.
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good.
And even with breath work, too.
This was a few years ago, I found myself all of a sudden, like, like, I would justrandomly exhale.
And I was like, my God, I it was something I saw on Instagram.
This was literally like three or four years ago.
And it's like, if you are randomly exhaling in the middle of your day, it's like you'reprobably massively stressed out and your regular your regulation system isn't working and
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blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, my God, I'm doing this all the time.
I was holding my breath.
I would just like be typing and just holding my breath and then all of a sudden like, butit was so yeah, it was so regular for me that I wasn't aware of it until I saw something
that called me out.
So if you're listening and you're doing that, this is my call out because it was changingfor me.
And Madison's telling us like these simple practices that she uses.
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to balance all these things.
And I think that that is so powerful because notice she didn't say like, drink a gallon ofwater, run three miles every day.
Those things are great too, right?
Awesome.
But this costs you nothing.
You have access to it literally right now.
You don't need to buy anything, do anything.
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yeah, tell us if you're listening to this, find us, tell us what you're grateful for, andtake a couple breaths, right?
Take some deep breaths, yeah.
Can I teach everybody really quick?
So I teach Pilates, which is like, the reason I teach Pilates is one, to keep yoga for meand not turn it into work.
And because it is core centered and breath centered, so I get to teach people, I get to, Idon't have to, I get to at all times teach people how to breathe.
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And that's been the biggest impact that I've had as a teacher.
So the most simple breath.
pattern that is a deep, intentional, very powerful breath is a Fox breath.
Have you ever heard of a Fox breath?
Yeah, so simple.
So it's just into the nose, out through the mouth.
That's a very intentional way of breathing.
If you can do it both in and out through your nose, great too.
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So it's in four seconds, hold four seconds, out four seconds, hold four seconds on repeat.
So simple, I like to close my eyes and envision, you know, drawing one line at a time.
That box can look like whatever you want it to look like.
And of course, assigning that visual component to yourself brings you even more inward.
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But that breath pattern 444, you can't forget it, you can do it anytime, and it's verypowerful, and will teach you how to breathe deeper, more.
down into the bottom of your lungs as opposed to just like a very shallow chest breath.
And it's powerful.
And the holds suspend your minds and kind of make your head race a little bit and likewhat's going on, you know, and the longer you can do it.
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maybe whenever you feel really good with the force, maybe you go up to a six second andthen you do it in the same pattern and you can get stronger and stronger with your breath
and just kind of do it like a little exercise.
Yeah, I had a manifestation teacher slash coach teach me the box breath.
This was a couple years ago.
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And I had never, I have done the inhale for three, exhale for three kind of breath, but Inever did the pause.
That was like that introduction of the in, pause, out, pause.
That to me was the game changer and I don't know why, but it's, it's, I'm such a go, go,go.
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That's how I just operate.
I'm just constantly trying to like find things to, to stimulate and go.
And I enjoy it.
I don't do it because I have to.
I really love to move.
I love engaging and connecting and I go fast.
So that pause is so fucking powerful.
And I would always, so funny, like when she was doing the breath, I had an easy timebreathing in, pausing, breathing out, but then I would miss that out pause.
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I would instantly want to like breathe back in.
So yeah, if you're listening, I encourage you to press pause just for a sec.
Take three, four count box breaths and tap back in and watch just how something as simpleas that can start to like shift and change things.
I want to wrap up by talking about a really important topic because this is something thatI would say a majority of my clients and a majority of my listeners face.
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And that's something you've done so well, which is not feeling like I have to do this orthis.
You've said, I like fashion.
I like, you know,
being in a community, I like being an attorney, I like teaching yoga, or Pilates, whateverit is.
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And I don't have to choose one, I get to do it all.
And that keyword I think is get to.
But how did you decide that that was like the path you were gonna do?
like, yeah, just share a little bit more about like having...
this ability to have all these parts of your life and you know, not choose.
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Cause I would say that's, that's something that a lot of women really struggle with.
Yeah, thanks for noticing.
That's always nice to be seen and validated for things you've done well or done right, youknow?
So, good question again.
I truly just don't think it was ever an option in my mind to give up any part of myself.
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I think because in part, and like,
We're in this phase right now, and you'll know what I mean if you've been in this phase,but just like working on healing all the childhood stuff.
And maybe my perspective will change in the future.
But right now where I'm at is reflecting on truly how hard my childhood was, truly howhard my life was, knowing that I am divine, just as we all are, and that I was meant to
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have a beautiful, full life.
And so I wasn't gonna let anybody stop me from having exactly what I believed I wasdestined for and that I wanted.
And I also took responsibility that it was on me to make that happen.
And so from a very young age, I was just like, I am me.
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Like this is me, my initials.
yeah.
growing up, my maiden name is Elliot, so my initials were me.
And so I was like, it is all about me.
This is my life.
And you know, like, I maybe made me a little bratty as a kid, but I was just like, but whynot?
Like, I love myself and I deserve to have an amazing life and it's on me to figure thatout and to make it happen.
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And so I'm not going to let anybody tell me what that looks like, how it's going to be,what steps, you know, I always
paved my own way, knowing that like I just wasn't meant for the beaten path.
Like I didn't want what everybody else had.
I always say mediocracy is like my biggest fear.
I want to be exceptional.
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I want an exceptional life.
And it's up to me to figure that out.
And so I'm not letting anybody take that away from me or tell me that there are some rulesthat I have to follow.
Like good luck trying to put me in a box, honey.
Good luck.
Unless it's a box, a breath box, a box breath, whatever.
I have an attorney, right?
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Like rules of the thing, but I wear a bracelet that says no rules.
I create all my own rules.
I have all my own philosophies.
Like I do have rules, but I wrote them down.
They're my 10 commandments, right?
So yeah, I think it's just all about that.
Just knowing that you deserve like a fucking good life, because you do.
yes.
I love that we ended on that because yes, you do and we do and my whole thing like in lifeand it really taught me through my divorce, which was like, I am responsible for my
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happiness.
You can have all the opinions you want about me leaving or staying or doing anything.
And I was like, actually none of it matters because the opinion of myself is
so much more important.
it's like, I get to choose if I allow what you think about me to impact me or not.
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And my opinion is mine, and it's important.
And I need to keep that sacred and intact.
And I am responsible for going and choosing my happiness.
And I think that's just so beautiful that you have owned that.
and are moving forward and then shining the light for other women to do the same because Ido think that sometimes, especially if we have been taught as children to please and to be
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the good girl and to follow the rules and to not disrupt and to do all the things, well,it's like, we almost look like we're always looking for that Prince Charming, if you will,
to come and save us.
Babe, Prince is not coming.
Yep, yep, 100%.
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like, let's get it together and take that responsibility.
And I've just loved this conversation today.
So so so much lots of like massively valuable nuggets and so in line with everything youdo, we were all over the place, which is like, it embodies like all the beautiful things
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you have going on.
tell listeners like
how they can connect with you more, where they can find all your stuff, work with you, allthe things.
Thank you so much for having me today.
It was so fun and bubbly as we knew it would be right all over the place yet balanced.
So best place to connect with me is probably Instagram Life Coach Lawyer.
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That kind of has the hub for all the businesses.
So if you need some legal help specifically Sunshine Law Firm's linked on there.
If you're local to Phoenix, which is where I'm at and you want to plug into my communityand my classes.
not conscious, that's on there as well.
And then I'm just happy to give advice and to share my thoughts and to connect with peopleand to offer legal advice as needed as well.
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So I'm here to serve.
Amazing.
Thanks, girl.
Madison, what is up, girl?
I'm so excited to have you on Goalslayer.
Hello, so excited to be here.
we're about to have some serious fun y'all listen.
This video is also on YouTube.
So if you don't watch podcasts or you have never this is the one to watch because Madisonhas got some fab glasses on today.
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I'm just I'm in my bright yellow.
She's in her fab little sweater that I just thought I was gonna go and buy because it's sodamn cute.
So anyway, I I really was attracted to Madison and her mission and everything when
I ran into her at a women's event.
What was that, October?
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Yeah.
don't, yeah, September, October, November, one of these dates.
Well, it all runs together.
But first of all, she caught my attention in her fabulous outfits, first of all, becausewe so have the same, like we're kind of, we both love to dress a little retro, colorful,
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unique.
But then what's so cool is that she's like, yeah, I'm an attorney, but I'm also a coach.
I'm also I was like, who is this like magical butterfly?
I must be her friend.
And since then, we've done some legal stuff together.
Because listen, if you don't want to bro doing your legal work, Madison's your girl.
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Because I mean, I'm pretty sure none of my listeners want to bro.
So let's dive into that first, Madison.
Tell me a little bit about like life coach lawyer.
We don't hear that.
Yeah, so I always start off by introducing myself with like, then I am statement that hasnothing to do with my business, right?
So in general, I am a super fun, bright, bubbly, happy, balanced person that loves likefitness and wellness and myself and other fun people and all good things, right?
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Positive vibes, all the woo woo.
So that's like really who I am at my core.
And
When I knew I'd be an attorney, so we can skip to that part, the last part of life coachlawyer, right?
I always knew I would be an attorney, a lawyer.
I said at 13, I wanted a job where could talk a lot, dress cute and help people, veryaligned with who I am today.
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Check, check, check.
And I knew that was my destiny, right?
And then I also just had a very strong sense of self.
And so when I was getting to the end of my schooling and my education,
I had to figure out a way to do it my way and to be that whole happy, balanced human in avery non-balanced career.
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So life coach lawyer came to me in a dream.
I was working in the post-conviction clinic, which is the Innocence Project, helpingprisoners basically get out on parole or prove that they were innocent and wrongfully
convicted.
And that's a super non-balanced environment.
Yeah.
struggling and so I was meditating every single day and it dropped in, Life Coach Lawyer,and that was it.
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That was what my career was meant to be.
So that's my umbrella brand.
I launched my own firm right out of law school, which only 0.6 % of attorneys do, and acoaching business, and another business was born out of that as well.
And so it embodies everything.
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The symbol is three triangles.
It's all about balance, my life, my coaching, and my lawyer.
love that.
And I'd be willing to bet that, okay, point six is already so small.
But how many of those points six are actually females?
You know what I mean?
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Or successful?
Yeah.
So I'm already set sets you apart.
But also, it's such a good reminder that to not discount these little drop in moments thatwe have, when
we are taking time for ourselves.
And one of the biggest things I do within my community is like, I, I it's like my soapbox,like you cannot get where you want to go unless you take a minute to like do some self
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reflection to do the meditation to get quiet to get still to separate yourself.
Because that's where the magic happens.
That's where we get these ideas life coach lawyer.
And then when we get them, we need to remember to trust it because if the dream comes toyou, it's for you for a reason.
And it's the reason it came to you and not me.
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Like, I didn't get Life Coach Lawyer.
Right?
And so there was a reason that that came to you.
And I think that's so special and a reminder to like lean in and trust those things thatcome to us.
You know, I don't want to make this conversation too much about legal, but I want to touchon it just for a second, because there are a lot of female entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs
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in general in my community and that listen to this podcast.
there's so much like, ambiguity on like, okay, I'm just a really small business.
Like I don't have a lot of revenue yet.
Like, do I really need legal if I am doing if I am going to pay for legal?
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What are the first things I really need?
So I like I said, I don't want to go too much down that route.
But give us a little bit on like the 411 for these
sole business owners who are trying to navigate these waters and like, you know, you'reyou're talking with a bro attorney who's like, need this, this, this, this, this, it's
like, do I I don't know.
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So give us the T what do really need?
Yes, I'm happy to provide a clear and simple answer because I feel like that's what'slacking and that's what I want when I'm seeking some kind of professional help.
Like, I don't know about accounting, you know what I mean?
I just need an answer.
So happy to provide that.
My Instagram also, Sunshine Law Firm, that's the law firm specifically, has just like lotsof just like, this is what you need.
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This is how much it's going to cost.
So I've set Sunshine Law Firm up to serve
a baby business owner, exactly the kind of person that you're talking about, or somebodywho's a very advanced entrepreneur that has lots going on and multiple businesses and a
parent company and all those things.
And really they all kind of need the same thing.
So the three main services that I say I offer are an LLC or entity formation.
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So maybe you're forming a nonprofit, but an LLC that you file with your state, everybodyhas a different state filing fee.
We do it for a flat fee.
All the prices are on my website so you can just see what it's going to cost you.
Set it in the budget.
You know what I mean?
Then you do need contracts, especially if you're a service based business.
It's going to save you so much headache.
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And then a trademark is the third one.
That one's a little bit pricier, but it is a huge investment and a very long process andsomething that becomes the number one asset in your business is your intellectual
property, your brand name, and it's going to cost you way more.
in the future if you have to rebrand and start all your marketing over and not to mentionthe energy and soul sucking that that takes.
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So those are the three things that, you know, I set everybody up with to succeed.
There's multiple steps, of course, that come with each one of those things.
And I offer 30 minute free consultations to make all of that information super accessible.
I just want to be able to vibe check, make sure you like me.
I like you, of course.
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and then like tell you what you need because most people don't even know, right?
Like they're like the law.
That's what I know.
That's all I know.
What else is there?
And so I'm just like here to give that information and offer it as excessively and freelyas I possibly can.
I always say I did not spend $100,000 on a legal education to keep this shit to myself.
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take my brain powder.
Well, and I so appreciate how simple you make that too.
Because even like I said, we just met.
But it was one of those things where I was like, well, shit, I've got some business needs.
Like, you guys, I literally I've had an LLC, but you have to file every year.
And I was like, why is legal?
I don't even know what legal zoom is charging me for this feels like total bogus.
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And if it is the right fee, great, but I don't even know what I'm doing.
And then we have this Boi Boir.
Is that what it is?
Yeah, so I'm like, there's all these things.
I don't even want to think about it.
I don't want to think about it.
So what did I do called Madison, we chatted for like 20 freaking minutes.
And I was like, just here, like handle it.
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Because again, like this is what how your brain operates.
And I am a huge, like I just spent an hour on a call, a community call where I was like,
2025 is the year you stop being the martyr.
And just because you can figure it out, like, could I figure out how to do a BIR?
Yeah, I'm smart.
I could figure it out.
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can go, I don't want to.
The time that I would spend doing that, it's A, not my natural habitat, if you will.
And so I could spend that working with a client and having 3X the amount of
energy expenditure, financial expenditure, that I could just, okay, thank you.
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Thank you for taking care of that for me.
So I encourage you, even if you have some things like stop being the martyr, stop tryingto figure out how to do it all yourself.
Like I promise you finding people who are a genius in the things that you're not a geniusin is what makes you a more of a genius.
Okay.
So.
I'm a business owner too, right?
Like I own multiple different businesses in different areas, different things going on,you know, and one of the best lessons that I learned early on as an entrepreneur.
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And I in part learned this from working in a job where I will add a law firm thatbasically kind of failed, you know, meant to be of course, however it was for him and his
situation.
But I saw a lot of things go wrong.
And one of the first things that I saw that didn't align was
not investing in the right people for one, and then like over investing in the wrongareas.
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And so what I've kind of come to learn is just to invest in your peace of mind, first andforemost, especially when it comes to something like legal or like for me, accounting or a
website, you know, that that's not my zone of genius.
And so investing in your peace of mind, just knowing that everything is clean and doneright.
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and you understand it is so huge because then you can move forward in full confidence.
And that's what you have to have as a business owner.
Like that's the golden, the golden piece of it is confidence.
And so if you're just sketched out by things and if things aren't working or you don'treally know, you're not going to have that confidence to move forward.
Yeah, and I really appreciate that, like the value of peace of mind, like done, mic drop,so, so good.
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Yeah, cause you're, right now I don't have to worry about those things.
like, and I think you, even saw your, your post the other day about the B O I R how likeit's gotten pushed back or things have changed, but it's like, I don't give a shit.
Mine's already done.
Like I don't have to think about whether you do it in 20 years from now and you change therule or you do it.
in six months.
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I don't have to think about it now.
Bye.
Done.
Moving on.
So it's the power and peace of mind.
I love it so much.
You already mentioned a little bit.
You've got three entities, lots of things you're doing.
Also, you have a personal life.
how do you?
And also, you already said your triangle, your brand is all about balance.
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And I think that's a really interesting concept, because a lot of attorneys I even know or
entrepreneurs like work themselves into the ground like hustle harder burnout all thethings like how do you keep all these parts of your life going and moving and not like
dropping the plate if you will like yeah tell us about that
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I love balance.
It's everything to me.
It keeps me going.
I am a, you know, a highly efficient and productive person that has lots of passions andwants to do all the things.
And so I've managed to do that kind of throughout my whole adult life.
I specifically studied lawyer well-being and the burnout rates while I was in law school.
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And that's part of how Life Coach Lawyer was born.
I wrote like a whole long, you know, 30 plus page paper in law school about
lawyer well-being and basically came up with this concept called holistic lawyering,where, you know, you're just leading a heart led service based business essentially, you
know, not that hard to figure out.
So that's kind of like part of it when it comes to like the legal services specifically,because just that in itself is a very high stress industry, right?
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We're the last stop, we're the ones giving the advice.
Most lawyers have alcoholism and depression and anxiety and suicide.
And I was like,
I'm a sunshine girl.
We are not doing any of that.
No, no for me.
and in general, this do more of what you love.
That is everything.
And that's really the answer.
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So like this, the research shows, the science shows that efficacy is how you cure burnout,which is not doing less.
It's doing more.
It's doing more of what gives you meaning and what feels good.
And so I
I don't like to say I work hard because I don't necessarily work hard sometimes.
I don't.
But you know, like, yeah, I do a lot of work or things that end up making me make money.
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And I also play a lot.
My life is very full.
Right.
I want I want less time just sitting on the couch binge watching Netflix.
I want more time out and about and doing new things and exploring and hanging out with myfriends and, you know, just doing things that fill my life with joy.
So it's about doing
more actually of the things that you love and and not just trying to constantly get thingsoff your plate knowing that there's this quote, hold on, let me see if I can get it right.
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You know, need to I need to like sticky note it because I have been quoting it a lotrecently.
It's like you can't complain about being full when you asked for a full plate or somethinglike that.
You know what I mean?
Like you can't you can't whine about being full when you asked for it.
And so that
That's a big part of it too, just being like, I created all of this.
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Every single one of us created every ounce of our life and I take responsibility for it.
It is mine and I can also change it at any time if it's not feeling aligned, if it's notfeeling right.
So just constantly checking in, having those moments of self reflection to be like, youknow, how's it going?
How am I feeling?
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How's my physical body?
How's my wellness and am I doing the things that make me feel good?
Do I have time for them?
There's always time for them.
Am I making the time for them, right?
Which I do a pretty good job of luckily, but of course it's good to check in every once ina while.
Sometimes I realize like, shit, I didn't get up and go outside at all all day long.
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Like that can't be, need to make sure I'm getting some sunshine breaks and taking someblocks and things like that.
So just check ins, that's helpful too.
Yeah, I'd love to know like your definition of balance because I you'll often find me saybalances bullshit, which I think is so interesting because anytime someone's all about
balance, I'm like, let's explore this.
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I use the harmony more.
Because to me, when I think of balance, I actually think of like, you know, obviously,what are those things called in the you see them all the time with attorneys like the
scales, right?
So
as mom, as a business owner, as a wife, as a friend, sister, daughter, all the thingsright, like, I can't like when I think of like both sides of a scale being exactly equal,
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that stresses me out more and causes more imbalance in me.
I'm like, there's never everything.
There's never a perfect balance.
I'm always, you know, it's a it's a rotating given flow, if you will.
So I'm curious, like, how do you define balance?
Like, what is that actually like?
look like for you because I know that to do all this, we have to have some kind of likeroutines or habits or like actual representation.
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And yes, school me a little bit on on why balance and why that word is so important toyou.
Mm So it's fun to have a conversation with somebody who is a balances bullshit person.
I hear that sometimes and I'm like, they don't know they don't know.
And and maybe it is just like a language thing, right?
I like that word harmony to like is your life feeling harmonious?
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Is it feeling like it's flowing nicely?
And let's see, let's see if I can define balance.
I don't know if I have a clear cut definition, definitely food for thought.
I'll think about it and I'll get back to you of like what that
could actually be like condensed down into.
think for me what it looks like is making sure that I feel good.
(17:32):
I think that that's what I always really come back to, right?
So I am a fitness instructor.
teach Pilates.
I'm a yogi.
I've been in the fitness space for a really long time.
It's where I was able to like lead and advise people before I had my law degree, knowingthat like that's the world that I wanted to be in in life.
And then I've just always really taken good care of myself, luckily.
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And so ultimately, I think I start there.
Like, is my physical body feeling good?
Am I constantly getting tension headaches because I have so much stress in my traps?
Is my back aching?
Am I bloated?
Like, starting with kind of that physical assessment of myself, my being, right?
Body keeps the score.
(18:14):
And then again, coming into that time piece.
So what like a day in the life looks like for me,
It's always a little different right like the world the role of an entrepreneur the roleof somebody who is just very fluid and flexible So right now I wake up early I spend time
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in bed enjoying the morning take it nice and slow Maybe I read maybe I water the plants orclean up the house I usually get to work doing actual legal work or like responding to
emails kind of admin stuff or like on the computer work around nine ish
Then I take many breaks.
get up, I walk around, play with the dogs, eat breakfast with my husband, go outside forlunch, kind of come back to and from my desk.
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Maybe I move around the house a little bit with my laptop just so that I'm not stagnantand feeling stuck at my desk.
Like the point of being home and having an old office is to be free.
And then normally I wrap up around four.
In that time of work, I could be on calls all day.
I could be podcasting.
I could be in a workshop.
I could be in a networking group or anything, right?
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Or just doing straight legal work all day long.
Sometimes that's the case too.
So then wrap up around four, usually head to the gym, maybe go on a hike.
And then I call it a day, right?
Like then it's the rest of my life.
It's not about what I'm doing to make money.
And then I do work on the weekends a lot, cause we host events through my...
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the life brand, is called Mad Conscious, where we host wellness events here at our houseand then just do like all kinds of other events out in the world as well.
I teach Pilates and this space called the shop.
And so we work, work a lot on the weekends as well, but it's fun.
Like it's a good time.
Everything I do is fun and a good time.
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And so it never feels like too much.
And if it is feeling like too much, I can.
run off to San Diego and say, bye, guess what?
I'm the boss.
I can take off whenever I want.
And that's a good life.
Yeah, I actually I hear a lot from you in terms of like, so, you know, life coach to lifecoach, right?
(20:27):
Our job as coaches is to like, hear between the lines.
And what I heard so much from you, and we were trying to like define balance.
But when you gave me like that day in the life, what I loved so much is that it wasn'tconcrete.
wasn't like from five to six, I'm doing that six to seven, there was no rigidity.
(20:47):
And that's the sometimes like the word that's associated with balance is like thisrigidity, this like structure, this discipline, and it feels so masculine, right?
And so I love that you brought such femininity to that, like, hmm, sometimes I feel likegoing to the gym.
Sometimes I feel like taking a hike.
Sometimes I feel like eating outside.
Sometimes I feel like podcasting, right?
(21:08):
There was not like, I'm doing this, this, this.
was, you used a lot of the words of sometimes and sometimes usually is intuition.
100%.
100%.
thanks so much for sharing that, because I think sometimes it's, you know, I always liketo be super real on this show, because something I found really frustrating at the
(21:29):
beginning of my entrepreneurship journey was I was looking at all these women on socialmedia, and everything looked so fucking perfect.
It looked like, damn, they've got their outfits put together.
Life is going amazing.
It's all just like flowing and while me that might be true 80 to 90 % of the time.
(21:51):
I didn't know the how like it felt really there was a disconnect and I was like, well,yeah, but like, I've got a three year old or, you know, I'm going through a divorce or
like life is really sticky right now or like, I came out as queer at the age of 33.
So that was something I had to like navigate all of these things.
(22:13):
where it's like balance seemed overwhelming.
But I think when we share behind the scenes more like you just did so like vulnerably andcandidly, it's awesome to be able to say like, that doesn't mean I have to have this like
perfect morning routine and like, you know, do X amount of emails and have X amount ofcalls.
(22:37):
And that just feels so masculine and not.
aligned for so many people.
And that's why it feels out of touch.
So thanks.
Thanks so much for breaking that down.
Yeah, and I feel like whenever you set standards like that, expectations, feel likeexpectations always set you up for failure, right?
You're literally asking for a harder day than it needs to be.
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And it took me a long time.
I think this, you know, social media plays a role in it.
It's like, okay, in my spiritual journey, it's like, okay, do I have to journal everysingle day?
Do I have to meditate every single day?
Do I have to practice yoga every single day in order to qualify as like a woo woo yogi?
Nope.
You sure don't, but it took me a really long time to, not a really long time, I I'm only28, right?
(23:22):
So I do feel very grateful that I've learned a lot of these lessons fairly young.
And I've been able to build just really strong practices that are intuitive based.
took me a really, or okay, I shouldn't say that.
It took me some time to figure out when I feel called to journal, when I hear that call,okay, go, go journal.
(23:43):
If I feel called to meditate, okay, go.
And I do trust myself so much.
Again, I believe that's one of the foundations to confidence.
My name's like next to the word confidence.
My picture is next to the word confidence in the dictionary.
It's just like innate in my being.
And trusting myself has been a huge part of why that is because I, you know, this is bold,right?
(24:07):
I know I'm right.
I know what works for me.
I know what feels good for me.
And so if it's journaling that morning,
if it's sleeping in when maybe I shouldn't because I'm a boss bitch like I'm sleeping inlike I'm doing what feels good and ultimately that's what keeps me going and thriving in
(24:28):
my creativity high so that I have new fresh ideas and most importantly my mantra for theyear I had it on this board for like months is I don't chase I attract and as an
entrepreneur that's everything because your energy has to be magnetic.
Yes.
Yeah, it truly has to be.
(24:48):
I think that what is that?
It's like the Henry Ford quote.
It's like, if you think you're right or not, or something, you're right.
And I think, yeah, it is bold to say I'm right.
But that's really how our brain receives things.
Our brain doesn't know anything other than what we tell it.
So it's like your friends could all think, wow, you're the smartest, most amazing, mostcreative person in the world.
(25:13):
But if your brain doesn't believe that, you're right.
You're correct.
And if your brain believes you are the most powerful, creative, amazing person, you'reright.
So nobody knows you better than you.
And so the biggest gift that we can give ourselves is that trust.
I feel like that's a great theme for this podcast because balance, from what I'm hearingfrom you, is trust.
(25:42):
Right?
It's trusting that you know what you need and that when that intuitive hit comes for you,you're not going to second guess it.
You're just going to lean in harder.
And I love yoga myself.
And one of the best things that a teacher instructor shared one time during a class waslike, we were doing some pose.
(26:08):
And I was having a really hard time.
And she was just talking to the class in general.
And she's like, it's okay to fall out, just come right back in.
And I always think about that how it's so relatable to life is like, sometimes we thinkwhen we fall out of things that it's like, God, I just, I'm so shitty.
(26:29):
How did I not hold that together?
I should have been able to I've been doing this so long, I should be able to get to thisnow.
And it's like, no, just lean right back in, go right back into it.
So I want to talk a little bit more about
your wellness part of all of this, because how do you like bring wellness more into yourlife that helps to amplify some of these these other things, because I do think that
(26:57):
that's a missing component, especially we're going into a new year, right.
And a lot of people have these big ambitious goals.
This is nothing new.
This has been going on since the dawn of time when January 1st comes.
I think it's pretty foolish to have massive business goals, but have zero health orwellness goals, right?
(27:20):
Like talk about balance, right?
Like how you get here is by taking care of here.
So tell us a little bit more about like your wellness and how you like nurture yourselffrom a soul level rather than just like,
Here's the hit list of things that I do.
Like who are you at that soul level and how are you nurturing yourself?
(27:42):
I love this question.
is like, this is like what I think about as frequently as I possibly can.
It's like, this is the fun stuff, right?
So luckily at a very young age, I swear it was like one of those drop in magic momentsfrom the universe at a very young age and a very difficult childhood, like very difficult.
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I would just think about my breath.
Like I would just be like.
And then I would think about it, I remember looking out the window, I driving on longdrives, I'm from Texas, same, right?
Texas girls, long drives, long road trips through the hill country, and I would look outthe window and I would start to think about my breath and my breathing patterns.
Imagine a chaotic, crazy car screaming parents for other kids, brothers and sisters, andcousins, and all kinds of stuff.
(28:30):
And I would think about my breath so much that I would kind of forget.
how to breathe and I would do that from a young age and so I swear the universe dropped inlike breathwork for me at a very very young age and so I was able to build on that
practice.
I started meditating and breathing very intentionally around 16 literally just trying tosave myself knowing that I was destined for greatness and a beautiful beautiful life and
(29:00):
it was just a matter of time to get me out
of my small town and basically to higher education.
And so that's been an insanely just impactful foundation of my life is having that strongbreath work and just connection to my breath.
That is our life force.
You can go days and weeks without food and water.
(29:23):
You can fast.
You can only go a few minutes without your breath.
And I truly believe that our breath is our medicine and our superpower.
And so just tapping into that connection with myself, my literal life force as frequentlyas I possibly can, sitting here in my day to day, sitting here while I'm on this podcast,
(29:46):
while I'm cooking food, while I'm walking to my car, just in all situations because that'show we live, right?
So just trying to be more intentional with my breath brings so much power in the rest ofmy life.
That's been a huge foundational piece of filling my soul.
(30:07):
And then gratitude.
That's it.
Like those are the two magic pieces.
That's all you need is strong breath and a grateful heart, which can be as simple as justlisting off all the random things you see in your room that you can and should be grateful
for.
That shifts you into a really positive mindset and then just makes the rest of your life.
(30:29):
sunny and bright and happy.
And so those two practices are the things that I do that fill my soul to make me justenriched and lively and fun and confident and at peace.
That's like been a big one that I've been working on for the last couple of years.
And especially in my role as an attorney, like I sign all my emails, peace, even if it islike conflict with another attorney, I'm like, we're here for peace, buddy, I promise.
(31:00):
So, you know, just all those things that add up to make a good life.
It starts with breath work and gratitude.
I like love you for saying that so much because also it's fucking free.
Breathwork and gratitude cost you nothing, but the impact is priceless.
(31:24):
Priceless.
I don't talk about breathwork as much as I should, but I am a, mean, people in mycommunity are like, if Caitlin mentions gratitude one more time, I think I might stab her
in the eye.
No, I'm just,
But it comes back to that.
And I'm so glad you said that because I always say the thing that gets me through all is Iwake up every day and I'm like, what's going right in my life today?
(31:49):
Because the amount of time it takes you to think about what's going wrong and the amountof time it takes you to think about what's going right is the same.
But the energy you use, one's like depletes and one fills.
So it's just one of those things like getting into that simple
practice.
(32:09):
good.
And even with breath work, too.
This was a few years ago, I found myself all of a sudden, like, like, I would justrandomly exhale.
And I was like, my God, I it was something I saw on Instagram.
This was literally like three or four years ago.
And it's like, if you are randomly exhaling in the middle of your day, it's like you'reprobably massively stressed out and your regular your regulation system isn't working and
(32:34):
blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, my God, I'm doing this all the time.
I was holding my breath.
I would just like be typing and just holding my breath and then all of a sudden like, butit was so yeah, it was so regular for me that I wasn't aware of it until I saw something
that called me out.
So if you're listening and you're doing that, this is my call out because it was changingfor me.
And Madison's telling us like these simple practices that she uses.
(32:58):
to balance all these things.
And I think that that is so powerful because notice she didn't say like, drink a gallon ofwater, run three miles every day.
Those things are great too, right?
Awesome.
But this costs you nothing.
You have access to it literally right now.
You don't need to buy anything, do anything.
(33:19):
yeah, tell us if you're listening to this, find us, tell us what you're grateful for, andtake a couple breaths, right?
Take some deep breaths, yeah.
Can I teach everybody really quick?
So I teach Pilates, which is like, the reason I teach Pilates is one, to keep yoga for meand not turn it into work.
And because it is core centered and breath centered, so I get to teach people, I get to, Idon't have to, I get to at all times teach people how to breathe.
(33:48):
And that's been the biggest impact that I've had as a teacher.
So the most simple breath.
pattern that is a deep, intentional, very powerful breath is a Fox breath.
Have you ever heard of a Fox breath?
Yeah, so simple.
So it's just into the nose, out through the mouth.
That's a very intentional way of breathing.
If you can do it both in and out through your nose, great too.
(34:10):
So it's in four seconds, hold four seconds, out four seconds, hold four seconds on repeat.
So simple, I like to close my eyes and envision, you know, drawing one line at a time.
That box can look like whatever you want it to look like.
And of course, assigning that visual component to yourself brings you even more inward.
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But that breath pattern 444, you can't forget it, you can do it anytime, and it's verypowerful, and will teach you how to breathe deeper, more.
down into the bottom of your lungs as opposed to just like a very shallow chest breath.
And it's powerful.
And the holds suspend your minds and kind of make your head race a little bit and likewhat's going on, you know, and the longer you can do it.
(34:58):
maybe whenever you feel really good with the force, maybe you go up to a six second andthen you do it in the same pattern and you can get stronger and stronger with your breath
and just kind of do it like a little exercise.
Yeah, I had a manifestation teacher slash coach teach me the box breath.
This was a couple years ago.
(35:18):
And I had never, I have done the inhale for three, exhale for three kind of breath, but Inever did the pause.
That was like that introduction of the in, pause, out, pause.
That to me was the game changer and I don't know why, but it's, it's, I'm such a go, go,go.
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That's how I just operate.
I'm just constantly trying to like find things to, to stimulate and go.
And I enjoy it.
I don't do it because I have to.
I really love to move.
I love engaging and connecting and I go fast.
So that pause is so fucking powerful.
And I would always, so funny, like when she was doing the breath, I had an easy timebreathing in, pausing, breathing out, but then I would miss that out pause.
(36:10):
I would instantly want to like breathe back in.
So yeah, if you're listening, I encourage you to press pause just for a sec.
Take three, four count box breaths and tap back in and watch just how something as simpleas that can start to like shift and change things.
I want to wrap up by talking about a really important topic because this is something thatI would say a majority of my clients and a majority of my listeners face.
(36:43):
And that's something you've done so well, which is not feeling like I have to do this orthis.
You've said, I like fashion.
I like, you know,
being in a community, I like being an attorney, I like teaching yoga, or Pilates, whateverit is.
(37:06):
And I don't have to choose one, I get to do it all.
And that keyword I think is get to.
But how did you decide that that was like the path you were gonna do?
like, yeah, just share a little bit more about like having...
this ability to have all these parts of your life and you know, not choose.
(37:31):
Cause I would say that's, that's something that a lot of women really struggle with.
Yeah, thanks for noticing.
That's always nice to be seen and validated for things you've done well or done right, youknow?
So, good question again.
I truly just don't think it was ever an option in my mind to give up any part of myself.
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I think because in part, and like,
We're in this phase right now, and you'll know what I mean if you've been in this phase,but just like working on healing all the childhood stuff.
And maybe my perspective will change in the future.
But right now where I'm at is reflecting on truly how hard my childhood was, truly howhard my life was, knowing that I am divine, just as we all are, and that I was meant to
(38:29):
have a beautiful, full life.
And so I wasn't gonna let anybody stop me from having exactly what I believed I wasdestined for and that I wanted.
And I also took responsibility that it was on me to make that happen.
And so from a very young age, I was just like, I am me.
(38:52):
Like this is me, my initials.
yeah.
growing up, my maiden name is Elliot, so my initials were me.
And so I was like, it is all about me.
This is my life.
And you know, like, I maybe made me a little bratty as a kid, but I was just like, but whynot?
Like, I love myself and I deserve to have an amazing life and it's on me to figure thatout and to make it happen.
(39:14):
And so I'm not going to let anybody tell me what that looks like, how it's going to be,what steps, you know, I always
paved my own way, knowing that like I just wasn't meant for the beaten path.
Like I didn't want what everybody else had.
I always say mediocracy is like my biggest fear.
I want to be exceptional.
(39:35):
I want an exceptional life.
And it's up to me to figure that out.
And so I'm not letting anybody take that away from me or tell me that there are some rulesthat I have to follow.
Like good luck trying to put me in a box, honey.
Good luck.
Unless it's a box, a breath box, a box breath, whatever.
I have an attorney, right?
(39:55):
Like rules of the thing, but I wear a bracelet that says no rules.
I create all my own rules.
I have all my own philosophies.
Like I do have rules, but I wrote them down.
They're my 10 commandments, right?
So yeah, I think it's just all about that.
Just knowing that you deserve like a fucking good life, because you do.
yes.
I love that we ended on that because yes, you do and we do and my whole thing like in lifeand it really taught me through my divorce, which was like, I am responsible for my
(40:28):
happiness.
You can have all the opinions you want about me leaving or staying or doing anything.
And I was like, actually none of it matters because the opinion of myself is
so much more important.
it's like, I get to choose if I allow what you think about me to impact me or not.
(40:49):
And my opinion is mine, and it's important.
And I need to keep that sacred and intact.
And I am responsible for going and choosing my happiness.
And I think that's just so beautiful that you have owned that.
and are moving forward and then shining the light for other women to do the same because Ido think that sometimes, especially if we have been taught as children to please and to be
(41:20):
the good girl and to follow the rules and to not disrupt and to do all the things, well,it's like, we almost look like we're always looking for that Prince Charming, if you will,
to come and save us.
Babe, Prince is not coming.
Yep, yep, 100%.
(41:40):
like, let's get it together and take that responsibility.
And I've just loved this conversation today.
So so so much lots of like massively valuable nuggets and so in line with everything youdo, we were all over the place, which is like, it embodies like all the beautiful things
(42:01):
you have going on.
tell listeners like
how they can connect with you more, where they can find all your stuff, work with you, allthe things.
Thank you so much for having me today.
It was so fun and bubbly as we knew it would be right all over the place yet balanced.
So best place to connect with me is probably Instagram Life Coach Lawyer.
(42:24):
That kind of has the hub for all the businesses.
So if you need some legal help specifically Sunshine Law Firm's linked on there.
If you're local to Phoenix, which is where I'm at and you want to plug into my communityand my classes.
not conscious, that's on there as well.
And then I'm just happy to give advice and to share my thoughts and to connect with peopleand to offer legal advice as needed as well.
(42:46):
So I'm here to serve.
Amazing.
Thanks, girl.
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