August 7, 2024 • 29 mins
On this episode of Beyong the Rodeo, Aubrey and 'Smash' invite listeners to travel through the wild and exhilarating world of bullfighting as they bring you an exclusive conversation with 3x World Champion bullfighter Chance Moorman.
Listen in as Chance shares his journey from his first bullfighting camp to clinching three world titles plus other notable victories along the way. Chance also shares how Western Sports Foundation Wellness Clinics equipped him with essential financial and social media strategies to boost his career and secure critical sponsorships, and facilitated a connection with one WSF provider who helped him recover from an injury.
Prepare to be captivated as Chance reveals the grueling training regimen that shapes his high-risk performances in the arena. From the athletic spark that ignited his passion to the unique techniques and protective gear essential for his craft, every aspect of his preparation comes to light. We delve into the differences between traditional Spanish bullfighting and the American freestyle variety, where bullfighters perform with fierce bulls bred for their aggressive nature. Discover the nomadic lifestyle facilitated by Chance’s home on wheels, and learn from Smash about the intricate breeding programs that produce fighting bulls.
Whether you're a rodeo aficionado or new to the sport, this episode offers an eye-opening view into the life of a professional bullfighter—plus fun bonuses.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
You're listening to Beyond the Rodeo,
brought to you by Western Sports Foundation,
the podcast that will explore the ups and
downs of rodeo life and reveal ways to help
the sport of rodeo reach new heights.
I'm your host, Aubrey O'Quinn, and I'll be
joined by my co-host, Ashley Webster.
Let's get to the show.
(00:40):
Hello everybody, Welcome to Beyond the
Rodeo.
I am your host, Aubrey O'Quinn, and I am
happily joined with your co-host, Smash
Webster.
We're glad to have you back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm back.
I'm back.
I took a hiatus.
I left country and did a few things.
Do you want to?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
tell us a little bit about where you were
while you were on a hiatus of the podcast.
Where in the world has Ashley Webster been.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I took a week and went to the Dominican
Republic with my little sister to play some.
She was playing softball down there on a
little international trip for a week, so
that was really cool.
She got to play four different Dominican
teams.
We got to see quite a bit of the island.
It's definitely a different world there.
(01:24):
Pretty cool experience, though.
Got some beach time in for a day and a half,
so that was also cool.
Got to do a little volunteer work.
That was cool, so it was pretty fun.
And I kicked off and went to Reno and then
Cody Wyoming, where there's no service.
So I hid out there for a week and now I'm
(01:46):
back into civilization and stolen borrowed
Wi-Fi.
Today we have with us professional
bullfighter Chance Cod Murphy-Mormon.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I'm happy to be here.
Sorry if I drop signal.
I'm driving through Utah currently.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Where are you going?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm headed to Salinas, california, for the
Rodeo up there.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
What's in Salinas, California, Chance.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Four days of bullfights.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Four days of bullfighting in Salinas,
California.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That's right.
Four days back to back, to back to back.
That is a pretty prestigious event,
absolutely it's it's one of my favorites to
attend really is, uh, my mentor ross hill's
favorite event, so it really means a lot to
me to be able to go up there pretty cool
event.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's.
Uh, it's always fun to watch that event and
all the guys and watching everybody get
prepared for that event, because it's that
is a uh, I never got to go.
That's a boys trip, so someday I'm gonna
come watch just for fun.
But uh, that was always a cool event to
watch.
Everybody I'll tag along on that one smash,
yeah.
Yeah, kayla harps trying to get me to come
(02:58):
out there this year, but I think I'm just
gonna.
I'm gonna wait, I'm gonna wait it out, but
it is a pretty cool one.
Where have you been at Chance?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I've been between Durango, colorado and
Farmington, new Mexico, and Grand Junction.
We had a bull fight in Durango, colorado.
Uh oh, I can't remember the date of it, it
was like Saturday or something.
But I've been fishing between now and then.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah yeah, I got to be at Durango so that
was super fun.
Did some pretty cool stuff there.
It's a cool little event there.
They marketed that well.
They had a good crowd.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Absolutely.
They had a good crowd and I don't know if
I've really been to a better spot for a
summertime bullfight in the mountains.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's nice and cool, not hot it was super
nice, very cool, very cool.
Well, chance, just uh tell us a little bit
about yourself and then uh want to talk to
you about your experience with Western
Sports Foundation Clinics, since you went
to two because you loved them so much.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, I'm Chance Mormon.
I've been fighting bulls for six, going on
seven years now.
I started when I was 17.
I turned 23 on the 3rd of August and I've
been from coast to coast and just loving
life fighting bulls.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, that's it.
That's the highlight reel.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Do you want to talk about anything you've
won or?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
anything, I guess I'm a three-time world
champion.
I've won PBR finals bullfights multiple
times.
This is my third year going to Salinas, so
I've been on some pretty big stages yeah,
pretty humble there.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, I'd say, I'd say, yes, I guess I'm
kind of a big deal, but yes, I've won three
world titles chance.
Yeah, no big deal, I mean it's it's, it's
small potatoes.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, chance, chance can flip a bowl like
few others can.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's pretty cool stuff to watch Chance
fight bowls, but since he wants to be so
humble about his career and all Tell us
about the Western Sports Foundation Clinics,
Western Sports Foundation Clinics has
really been helpful to me because on the
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financial side and social media side really
those are the two big ones that have really
helped me and the early success I've had in
bullfighting.
I've earned a lot of money and being young
I've never really known what to do with it
and attending these two clinics helped me
decide on how to manage money better really.
(05:48):
And they helped me try to be better on
social media so I can try to get better
sponsorships and such so what was like the
first clinic that you went to?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What was that like that?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
you went to what was that?
Like the first clinic?
It was a lot of information at one time but
you just got to take a notepad and pen with
you and write it down.
That's why I'd go to a third one.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Really, I mean, every time you go you're
just going to pick up on something you
didn't really pick up on time before 100%,
because I mean you're getting nutrition
advice and workout advice and financial
advice and there's so many different things
there, but you kind of did you pick up some
stuff out of the clinic that you didn't
intend to like I know you went for, I know
(06:37):
financial is a big thing for people with
what to do with that money when you're
winning it, but did you pick up on some
other stuff that you didn't expect to?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, absolutely.
I picked up on more of the recovery and
workout side and the nutrition side of
things as well.
Like you were saying, they've got really
good people in there just teaching you
about it and how to eat right while you're
on the road and how to stay fit while
you're still on the road as well, without
straining your body too much to where it
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doesn't have time to recover yeah,
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I think that people don't really like it
looks like a 60 or 70, you know second
bullfight.
But I don't think people realize the strain
that puts on your body preparing for that
and then competing in that with what it
does, just adrenaline and muscle wise and
all the things.
It's kind of.
I mean you fought two bulls saturday night,
so you know that's what happens when you
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make a short round.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But yeah, fighting bulls is really
strenuous.
I mean not only just mentally, physically,
it's strenuous with the rush of adrenaline
you're having.
You're just going so fast mentally and
you're having to slow down at the same time
and breathe and just you got to think about
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everything that's going on and it's just a
lot more taxing than people think.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, absolutely, and there's a big mental
game with that and the clinics talk about
that a little bit, which is cool to have
that as a resource, I'd imagine.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Rodeo in general is a lot of physical
ability but mental is a major, major part
of it and if your mind's not right, you're
not going to perform right.
And those clinics go into that and they do
some mental, physical or mental work with
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you to make sure you're getting ready for
what you're getting into yeah, and just
some ways to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Whenever past, past that, so that's pretty,
pretty awesome.
And then so when you went to clinic two
compared to clinic one, how was that
experience?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So I kind of knew what I was expecting from
clinic one to clinic two.
So, whatever, I didn't pick up on so much
the first clinic.
I tried to pick up more on at the second
one.
So, like the first clinic, I was more honed
in on the financial side of things because
I knew I needed to get that right as soon
(09:10):
as I could.
And then the second time, like you said, I
focused more on fitness and nutrition side
of things.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So I want to ask Chance and you if you're
willing to answer after leaving the clinic.
Were you, did you work with Justin or have
you worked with any of the providers like
on a one-on-one, or did you feel like the
clinic gave you enough information that you
can kind of take it from there and do what
you wanted to do with it?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
so I've I've been in contact with justin a
couple times just checking in and doing
like just seeing how how we're doing, and a
little bit here and there, but I've really,
uh, gotten work done from natasha a lot.
She's really been helpful.
May I use natasha a lot because at the pbr
(09:59):
finals I got hit in the back and wasn't
even really able to walk around for a day
or two and I had two more, three more bulls
to fight.
So I got her to help me out with what she
could and I was able to pull off a win
there, a big one.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, a little big one, a little bit of a
big one.
Well, very awesome.
So if you were going to talk to, uh, any
other young athletes, not just bullfighters
but, um, would you suggest that they go to
a clinic?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
yeah, absolutely.
I mean, like I was saying it, that clinic's
not just for bullfighters, it's for all
rodeo people in general.
I mean, everybody can learn from it.
It doesn't matter if you're 18 or if you're
35.
You can learn something from it.
I imagine I I know you get a lot more life
experience by the time you're 35, but
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there's a lot of stuff that people miss out
on that the clinic provides absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's kind of a well-encompassing program.
I guess everybody can take a little bit of
something out of it.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, I think, chance you jumping in like
so early, like you said, I mean obviously
you've had a lot of success, but jumping in
so early on in your career I think is key
for a lot of athletes.
Hopefully to kind of take away from this is
the sooner you start utilizing the services,
the better and the your career is going to
be.
But the longevity and you know your overall,
(11:37):
you know not just your, your physical
health but your mental health and your
financial health and all of that, like it
all kind of you know, goes together.
So I think the fact that you've now I mean
it's been a couple a year or so since
you've been to a clinic, but like just
jumping in and doing that so early on, is
only going to hopefully set you up to have
a very long successful career and when
you're done, you know, have the financial
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side of it kind of figured out.
Where you know you can, you're not worried
about money when you're all done.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Absolutely.
That's a big thing, like people.
People are always asking me what I'm going
to do after I get done fighting bulls and
to be honest, I don't really have an answer
for them.
I know how to do two things, and that's
build fence and fight bulls, and I don't
really enjoy building fence, so I got to
set myself up for later down the road to
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where I can have another way to make an
income other than fighting bulls, because
we know this career doesn't last forever
100%.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So why did you start fighting bulls?
Chance Mormon.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I started fighting bulls because I just
needed an athletic outlet really.
And then once I just started stepping
around my first couple of animals, I just
fell in love with the game and fell in love
with seeing how close I could get to death.
Really, I figure that's the best way to put
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it.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I mean, that is a real reality of what you
guys do.
Who kind of got you into it?
Or how did you kind of fall into
bullfighting?
You're looking for an athletic outlet and
there's a million things to choose from.
Why bullfighting?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
took my sports away to make me focus on
school, which made me have nothing to earn
out of working good at school.
You know what I mean.
(13:43):
If you play high school sports, you got to
keep your grades up to play, so I didn't
have that anymore.
So I just had to find that athletic outlet,
and my dad had fought bulls previously, so
I figured I'd sign myself up for a camp and
I made him drive me to Houston one day, and
that was in March of 2018.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, not even that long ago, so.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So I have to ask real fast, sorry for the
people that maybe aren't familiar with
bullfighting and rodeo that are listening
to this Like I.
You know, before 11 years ago, if you would
have told me bullfighters, I would have
thought the guys with you know, and the
little get ups and the the curtains that
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are, you know, having the bulls run into
that.
So what?
Well, I don't know what anyways, but what
is the difference between you know, if, if
the people that maybe aren't familiar with
bullfighting and with rodeo, what really is
kind of the difference between, like what
you're doing, Chance, when we're saying
you're fighting bulls, versus what you know?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
most people that maybe aren't in this world
associate bullfighting with when you say
bullfighting to most people they think
matadors with the capes in Spain and they
think killing bulls.
But and here that's not that's not the case.
There's two types of bullfighting in
America.
There's cowboy protection, which you see
the guys saving bull riders when they get
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bucked off or they make a ride.
And then there's what I primarily do and
that's freestyle bullfighting.
It's 40 seconds minimum and a 60-second
maximum with a Spanish fighting bull the
same bulls that you see in Spain and we're
trying to see how close we can get and how
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stylish we can be while dancing around this
bull and jumping over him and doing flips
and everything else.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So you're kind of showcasing your abilities,
but you also want to show off that bull a
little bit too and make him look fancy too?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, absolutely so.
It's about showcasing your abilities, but
you're only as good as your dance partner,
so you got to take what that bull's given
you and make the best of it.
Some bulls are smarter than others and they
won't let you get by with as much, and some
bulls are really fresh and they'll let you
make it real pretty and do whatever you
want.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So is the scoring similar as in like bull
riding, where half the score is the athlete
and the other half of the score is the
animal athlete?
Is it similar in bullfighting freestyle
bullfighting of how the scores are tallied?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
so bull riding and freestyle bullfighting
you're scored basically the same there's 50
points for the animal and 50 points for the
rider or the fighter either.
On your case, um so the bulls in freestyle
bullfighting are judged on their meanness,
their aggression and their willingness to
stay hooked up with the bullfighter, which
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means how willing they are to stay with you
rather than running off across the pen.
They want to hook you down, they want to
get you down and hurt you.
And then, on our case, we're judged, like
the bull riders are, how in control we are
and how stylish we're making it look.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Very good.
Getting a sale is definitely a key part of
a bullfight.
Sometimes that's like the difference in
whether you win or lose a bullfight,
wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Absolutely.
I tell guys that all the time it's gotten
to the point where if you get a cell you
can win your round, and I tell guys that
all the time and they still go out there
and won't get one.
I mean, this past weekend, durango, me and
Coy tied for first place in the short round
and he was looking to get a jump at the end
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but that bull just wouldn't turn and give
it to him, so he didn't get that cell at
the end.
And it bull just wouldn't turn and give it
to him, so it he didn't get that sell at
the end and it put us at that same even
point yeah, which coy ended up coming out a
little bit ahead just on bullfighter score
for the entire round on that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But if he would have got a sale it probably
wouldn't have been a question right?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
exactly if he would have been able to jump
that bull like he had wanted to.
It wouldn't have been a question of who won
because of the tie, he would have been more
tired.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
How do you practice that?
I mean, how do you know that you can
backflip over a bull or jump over a bull?
How do you actually practice that?
I'm fascinated by this that I'm fascinated
by.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
This Funny thing is when I first started I
came around and the first camp I went to is
Justin Josie and Weston Rakowski and all
those guys standing there and they're
yelling at the guys to jump them, and
nobody'd really go to them.
And I was like, man, I'm gonna do one,
better than jump them, I'm going to do a
front flip.
So I just tried it and for a couple of
years that worked out for me until it
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didn't, and then I stopped doing flips for
a little while and then I took a trip over
to Spain and they taught me how to flip
over one.
And now, when I'm in the States, the best
thing I've found to practice on is a hay
bale, because it's tall and it's round, so
you can kind of get that flipping motion in
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did you guys wear like protective gear and
stuff like that when you're out there
fighting bulls?
yeah, so we wear protective gear.
All guys are different, like there's some
guys that wear hockey pads on their legs,
or I wear a football or a football girdle,
basically, um, but we all, we all wear a, a
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flat jacket vest.
Basically it's hard plastic on the outside
and it's got cushion on the inside, so the
inside absorbs the impact, but the hard
outside will keep bulls, horns and uh
hooves from sticking on you.
They'll just slide off.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Thankfully, yeah, unless you break one,
sometimes that's rough or a horn gets
inside the vest.
That's a little rough yeah, that happened
this weekend.
Somebody got a horn up the vest and got
carried a little bit, but that that does
happen.
So whenever you're preparing for a
bullfight chance, everybody's stuff's kind
of different.
Uh, I've known guys that don't do any kind
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of workouts whatsoever and do just fine in
life, but um, I know that's not the case
for everyone.
So what's your like preparation for a
bullfight?
It's like selena's.
Like what have you been doing to prepare
for selena's?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
and I try to just stay prepared.
Throughout the year.
I work out every day that I'm home.
I'll be up every morning riding my bicycle
to the gym, so it's an everyday grind for
me.
I used to be that guy that didn't really
work out.
Just because I was younger, I tried to rely
on my talent.
But as you get older and you mature, you
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realize that's not going to be enough and
you've got to work at these things as well.
You mature, you realize that's not going to
be enough and you got to work at these
things as well.
So you just gotta.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You gotta fine-tune your physical and
mental ability to be able to handle the
stress of it especially like going to
durango this weekend, where the air was a
little thinner there than it is in texas
and oklahoma absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
that was a big problem for guys this
weekend I noticed in durango, colorado.
It's a higher elevation so at the air
center it's harder to breathe up there and
get oxygen to your muscles like you need to.
So even Connor Quesada he's from Colorado
and he's a little more used to the
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elevation, but you could see it in his
bullfight this week that his legs weren't
really under him because the air wasn't
inside him he's been.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
He's been hanging out in oklahoma quite a
while, though, so we kind of yeah, he has.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, he has.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
He's acclimated to oklahoma yeah, he's,
he's, he's a resident, practically so yeah,
he was a little confused at that.
I think it kind of threw him because that
that is his stomping grounds up there, but
it does happen.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Oh yeah, coy got a little luckier than
everybody else and booked a rodeo the week
before, so he'd been up here for a week.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
He got a little acclimated.
That's right, yeah, so how many bullfights
do you go to in a year?
Chance?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I want to say typically somewhere between
20 and 30 bullfights a year.
'd I'd say I probably hit so like every
other weekend, average yeah, every other
weekend.
It's not really compiled up like that, but
some, some weeks it's two a week or one
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every weekend and none for two weeks you
know know Kind of scatters around and
there's no specific place where you stay at,
because clearly you're in Colorado, going
to Salinas.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So you kind of just there's no really rhyme
or reason to where they're at or why
they're there.
So, chance, tell us about your house on
wheels there.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
This is my second house on wheels.
This is a lot nicer than the first one.
Y'all aren't going to see the inside
because it's extremely dirty.
I've been living out of it for a week and a
half or two weeks now, but it has recently
been wrapped by my sponsor, wsm Auctioneers,
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and I no longer look like the FedEx man.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh, that's fabulous, John and Shelly at WSM,
fantastic group of people Smash.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You guys were just down in Durango and
Chance was just talking about being down
there.
You know what were you guys doing down
there?
I mean, Cody wasn't obviously fighting
bulls, so you guys are stock contractors.
Cody wasn't obviously fighting bulls, so
you guys are stock contractors.
What goes into the type of stock you guys
have compared to the other stock?
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That goes to some of the events.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, so, like Chan said, like the bulls
are fighting, or Spanish bloodlines
essentially, and what we're raising comes
from those bloodlines, the Mexico
bloodlines, different things.
So Cody and I have developed basically an
entire breeding program for fighting bulls
and so we haul those all over the place and
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the same thing like Chance was starting to
talk about.
You know, half of the fight score goes to
the bull fighter, but half of the score is
also the bull.
Basically, you want to make sure that we're
taking stuff that they can make look pretty,
and you know.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Maybe a stupid question, but like, do you
actually?
You know, like and this is a whole other
conversation but you know, like, I know the
bucking bulls they're, they're bred to buck,
like, that's just, that's what they in
their bloodline, that's what they do.
Is it similar with bull, with fighting
bulls, that like, like, do you have to
train them to do this, or do they just
inherently know what their job is to do and
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really the athlete kind of makes them look
even better or really showcases, I guess,
their skills?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't think you can train a bull to be as
mean as what these things are.
It's definitely genetically bred into them
If you've ever been hooked by a 45 pound
calf like I have.
So whenever they're born they're mean like
they're trying to hook you, they're chasing
you.
I had one after me and my horse the other
day and the thing wasn't knee high to my
horse, like it was crazy.
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That's just what they're bred to do, though
that's that is it.
Like you can't, you literally can't make
them do it.
And same thing with bucking bulls.
We, we put a flank on them, but really that
flank is just to like give them something
to think about, kind of slow them down a
little bit, make them think about something
else.
Uh, just um, but it doesn't really do much.
Sometimes, you know it's, it's literally
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just barely hanging there, like, sometimes
it's, you know it just depends on the bull,
really, but it, uh, they're, they're
genetically that way, and some of them some
of them are meaner than other ones.
Um, I haven't.
I mean I fed I was hand feeding some
through the fence the other day some hay,
but uh, I'm not going to try and do it
while standing in there with them, like
people do with their buck and bulls.
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I I don't think I'll ever get one that tame.
I don't think I want one.
I wouldn't trust it anyways if I did.
But um, they're, uh, they're different kind
of different kind of animal, for sure, but
they're pretty cool to to watch develop.
Um, from the ground up, for sure they're
the cutest little things.
When they're born they're like the cutest
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calves you'll ever see in your life.
They're so tiny and just adorable.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And then they grow up to be really mean are
they about the same size as like bucking
bulls?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think they're probably smaller statute.
I mean, I haven't been around a lot of
newborn bucking bulls but they're pretty.
They're pretty small that they're a lot
smaller framed cow.
Um, usually the bulls are, they're beefy, I
mean like they're.
They're bulky, but they're usually a little
shorter in stature and such but um.
So we've kind of got some that are
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crossbred and stuff that grow a little
faster and a little bigger, but're they're
pretty much all born pretty small but I do
want to ask how long have you and cody
actually been um raising bulls?
raising them about five years.
I guess we bought some a few years before
that just to haul this, some small events
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and stuff um, just something kind of to do.
There's not a lot of bullfighting stock
contractors and we just I mean, cody loves
bulls and so we we got in a few and um had
some partners and stuff um on that deal and
me and the partner pretty much were taking
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them to some events because cody couldn't.
And then, um, it kind of just developed
from there where Cody just he wanted to get
some cows and he's like, well, we'll just
raise a few cows.
And then so I'm like, oh okay, well,
they're cute babies, we'll raise calves,
like I, I like cows.
So so we got some cows and we started
raising them and then, uh, and then, um,
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after it kind of exploded into a extreme
situation at my house where now I have you
walk out the back door and there's just
fighting bulls everywhere from every age
group.
So Saturday we actually got to have our
first calf crop debut, so the first ranch
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raised ones they had.
They went out of san antonio, cody, we get
to take some fighting bulls down there to
sell the rodeo with them.
So we had some of our calves there and so
that was really exciting and so this was
their first bull fight like actually like
competition wise.
So we had we had two of them out there, so
that was pretty cool to see something that
we had raised be out there and it looked
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good, so it was nice.
What's the average age?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
These are four, and how long do they
usually go for, like what's their longevity
of their careers?
Typically?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It really just depends on the bull.
Some of them will fight for years and years.
I've got oneouglas fought saturday too and
I've had him for I don't know, he's
probably like nine, uh, but it just really
depends on the bull sometimes.
Sometimes you can get one or two fights out
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of them and then they're like done and
they're sour and smart or whatever, and
then sometimes they'll fight for years.
It just depends, all right chance.
Thanks for coming on, thanks for talking to
us.
I appreciate your time.
Enjoy selenus, go uh, go win that'd be cool.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Thank you for listening to beyond the rodeo.
We'll catch you on the next episode.
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You're listening to Beyond the Rodeo,
brought to you by Western Sports Foundation,
the podcast that will explore the ups and
downs of rodeo life and reveal ways to help
the sport of rodeo reach new heights.
I'm your host, Aubrey O'Quinn, and I'll be
joined by my co-host, Ashley Webster.
Let's get to the show.
(00:40):
Hello everybody, Welcome to Beyond the
Rodeo.
I am your host, Aubrey O'Quinn, and I am
happily joined with your co-host, Smash
Webster.
We're glad to have you back.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm back.
I'm back.
I took a hiatus.
I left country and did a few things.
Do you want to?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
tell us a little bit about where you were
while you were on a hiatus of the podcast.
Where in the world has Ashley Webster been.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I took a week and went to the Dominican
Republic with my little sister to play some.
She was playing softball down there on a
little international trip for a week, so
that was really cool.
She got to play four different Dominican
teams.
We got to see quite a bit of the island.
It's definitely a different world there.
(01:24):
Pretty cool experience, though.
Got some beach time in for a day and a half,
so that was also cool.
Got to do a little volunteer work.
That was cool, so it was pretty fun.
And I kicked off and went to Reno and then
Cody Wyoming, where there's no service.
So I hid out there for a week and now I'm
(01:46):
back into civilization and stolen borrowed
Wi-Fi.
Today we have with us professional
bullfighter Chance Cod Murphy-Mormon.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
I'm happy to be here.
Sorry if I drop signal.
I'm driving through Utah currently.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Where are you going?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I'm headed to Salinas, california, for the
Rodeo up there.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
What's in Salinas, California, Chance.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Four days of bullfights.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Four days of bullfighting in Salinas,
California.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
That's right.
Four days back to back, to back to back.
That is a pretty prestigious event,
absolutely it's it's one of my favorites to
attend really is, uh, my mentor ross hill's
favorite event, so it really means a lot to
me to be able to go up there pretty cool
event.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
It's.
Uh, it's always fun to watch that event and
all the guys and watching everybody get
prepared for that event, because it's that
is a uh, I never got to go.
That's a boys trip, so someday I'm gonna
come watch just for fun.
But uh, that was always a cool event to
watch.
Everybody I'll tag along on that one smash,
yeah.
Yeah, kayla harps trying to get me to come
(02:58):
out there this year, but I think I'm just
gonna.
I'm gonna wait, I'm gonna wait it out, but
it is a pretty cool one.
Where have you been at Chance?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I've been between Durango, colorado and
Farmington, new Mexico, and Grand Junction.
We had a bull fight in Durango, colorado.
Uh oh, I can't remember the date of it, it
was like Saturday or something.
But I've been fishing between now and then.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Yeah yeah, I got to be at Durango so that
was super fun.
Did some pretty cool stuff there.
It's a cool little event there.
They marketed that well.
They had a good crowd.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Absolutely.
They had a good crowd and I don't know if
I've really been to a better spot for a
summertime bullfight in the mountains.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's nice and cool, not hot it was super
nice, very cool, very cool.
Well, chance, just uh tell us a little bit
about yourself and then uh want to talk to
you about your experience with Western
Sports Foundation Clinics, since you went
to two because you loved them so much.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, I'm Chance Mormon.
I've been fighting bulls for six, going on
seven years now.
I started when I was 17.
I turned 23 on the 3rd of August and I've
been from coast to coast and just loving
life fighting bulls.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, that's it.
That's the highlight reel.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Do you want to talk about anything you've
won or?
Speaker 3 (04:28):
anything, I guess I'm a three-time world
champion.
I've won PBR finals bullfights multiple
times.
This is my third year going to Salinas, so
I've been on some pretty big stages yeah,
pretty humble there.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah, I'd say, I'd say, yes, I guess I'm
kind of a big deal, but yes, I've won three
world titles chance.
Yeah, no big deal, I mean it's it's, it's
small potatoes.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, chance, chance can flip a bowl like
few others can.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's pretty cool stuff to watch Chance
fight bowls, but since he wants to be so
humble about his career and all Tell us
about the Western Sports Foundation Clinics,
Western Sports Foundation Clinics has
really been helpful to me because on the
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financial side and social media side really
those are the two big ones that have really
helped me and the early success I've had in
bullfighting.
I've earned a lot of money and being young
I've never really known what to do with it
and attending these two clinics helped me
decide on how to manage money better really.
(05:48):
And they helped me try to be better on
social media so I can try to get better
sponsorships and such so what was like the
first clinic that you went to?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
What was that like that?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
you went to what was that?
Like the first clinic?
It was a lot of information at one time but
you just got to take a notepad and pen with
you and write it down.
That's why I'd go to a third one.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Really, I mean, every time you go you're
just going to pick up on something you
didn't really pick up on time before 100%,
because I mean you're getting nutrition
advice and workout advice and financial
advice and there's so many different things
there, but you kind of did you pick up some
stuff out of the clinic that you didn't
intend to like I know you went for, I know
(06:37):
financial is a big thing for people with
what to do with that money when you're
winning it, but did you pick up on some
other stuff that you didn't expect to?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, absolutely.
I picked up on more of the recovery and
workout side and the nutrition side of
things as well.
Like you were saying, they've got really
good people in there just teaching you
about it and how to eat right while you're
on the road and how to stay fit while
you're still on the road as well, without
straining your body too much to where it
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doesn't have time to recover yeah,
absolutely.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I think that people don't really like it
looks like a 60 or 70, you know second
bullfight.
But I don't think people realize the strain
that puts on your body preparing for that
and then competing in that with what it
does, just adrenaline and muscle wise and
all the things.
It's kind of.
I mean you fought two bulls saturday night,
so you know that's what happens when you
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make a short round.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
But yeah, fighting bulls is really
strenuous.
I mean not only just mentally, physically,
it's strenuous with the rush of adrenaline
you're having.
You're just going so fast mentally and
you're having to slow down at the same time
and breathe and just you got to think about
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everything that's going on and it's just a
lot more taxing than people think.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah, absolutely, and there's a big mental
game with that and the clinics talk about
that a little bit, which is cool to have
that as a resource, I'd imagine.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Rodeo in general is a lot of physical
ability but mental is a major, major part
of it and if your mind's not right, you're
not going to perform right.
And those clinics go into that and they do
some mental, physical or mental work with
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you to make sure you're getting ready for
what you're getting into yeah, and just
some ways to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Whenever past, past that, so that's pretty,
pretty awesome.
And then so when you went to clinic two
compared to clinic one, how was that
experience?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
So I kind of knew what I was expecting from
clinic one to clinic two.
So, whatever, I didn't pick up on so much
the first clinic.
I tried to pick up more on at the second
one.
So, like the first clinic, I was more honed
in on the financial side of things because
I knew I needed to get that right as soon
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as I could.
And then the second time, like you said, I
focused more on fitness and nutrition side
of things.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Very cool.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So I want to ask Chance and you if you're
willing to answer after leaving the clinic.
Were you, did you work with Justin or have
you worked with any of the providers like
on a one-on-one, or did you feel like the
clinic gave you enough information that you
can kind of take it from there and do what
you wanted to do with it?
Speaker 3 (09:37):
so I've I've been in contact with justin a
couple times just checking in and doing
like just seeing how how we're doing, and a
little bit here and there, but I've really,
uh, gotten work done from natasha a lot.
She's really been helpful.
May I use natasha a lot because at the pbr
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finals I got hit in the back and wasn't
even really able to walk around for a day
or two and I had two more, three more bulls
to fight.
So I got her to help me out with what she
could and I was able to pull off a win
there, a big one.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, a little big one, a little bit of a
big one.
Well, very awesome.
So if you were going to talk to, uh, any
other young athletes, not just bullfighters
but, um, would you suggest that they go to
a clinic?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
yeah, absolutely.
I mean, like I was saying it, that clinic's
not just for bullfighters, it's for all
rodeo people in general.
I mean, everybody can learn from it.
It doesn't matter if you're 18 or if you're
35.
You can learn something from it.
I imagine I I know you get a lot more life
experience by the time you're 35, but
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there's a lot of stuff that people miss out
on that the clinic provides absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
It's kind of a well-encompassing program.
I guess everybody can take a little bit of
something out of it.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Well, I think, chance you jumping in like
so early, like you said, I mean obviously
you've had a lot of success, but jumping in
so early on in your career I think is key
for a lot of athletes.
Hopefully to kind of take away from this is
the sooner you start utilizing the services,
the better and the your career is going to
be.
But the longevity and you know your overall,
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you know not just your, your physical
health but your mental health and your
financial health and all of that, like it
all kind of you know, goes together.
So I think the fact that you've now I mean
it's been a couple a year or so since
you've been to a clinic, but like just
jumping in and doing that so early on, is
only going to hopefully set you up to have
a very long successful career and when
you're done, you know, have the financial
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side of it kind of figured out.
Where you know you can, you're not worried
about money when you're all done.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Absolutely.
That's a big thing, like people.
People are always asking me what I'm going
to do after I get done fighting bulls and
to be honest, I don't really have an answer
for them.
I know how to do two things, and that's
build fence and fight bulls, and I don't
really enjoy building fence, so I got to
set myself up for later down the road to
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where I can have another way to make an
income other than fighting bulls, because
we know this career doesn't last forever
100%.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So why did you start fighting bulls?
Chance Mormon.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I started fighting bulls because I just
needed an athletic outlet really.
And then once I just started stepping
around my first couple of animals, I just
fell in love with the game and fell in love
with seeing how close I could get to death.
Really, I figure that's the best way to put
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it.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I mean, that is a real reality of what you
guys do.
Who kind of got you into it?
Or how did you kind of fall into
bullfighting?
You're looking for an athletic outlet and
there's a million things to choose from.
Why bullfighting?
Speaker 3 (13:19):
took my sports away to make me focus on
school, which made me have nothing to earn
out of working good at school.
You know what I mean.
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If you play high school sports, you got to
keep your grades up to play, so I didn't
have that anymore.
So I just had to find that athletic outlet,
and my dad had fought bulls previously, so
I figured I'd sign myself up for a camp and
I made him drive me to Houston one day, and
that was in March of 2018.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, not even that long ago, so.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
So I have to ask real fast, sorry for the
people that maybe aren't familiar with
bullfighting and rodeo that are listening
to this Like I.
You know, before 11 years ago, if you would
have told me bullfighters, I would have
thought the guys with you know, and the
little get ups and the the curtains that
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are, you know, having the bulls run into
that.
So what?
Well, I don't know what anyways, but what
is the difference between you know, if, if
the people that maybe aren't familiar with
bullfighting and with rodeo, what really is
kind of the difference between, like what
you're doing, Chance, when we're saying
you're fighting bulls, versus what you know?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
most people that maybe aren't in this world
associate bullfighting with when you say
bullfighting to most people they think
matadors with the capes in Spain and they
think killing bulls.
But and here that's not that's not the case.
There's two types of bullfighting in
America.
There's cowboy protection, which you see
the guys saving bull riders when they get
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bucked off or they make a ride.
And then there's what I primarily do and
that's freestyle bullfighting.
It's 40 seconds minimum and a 60-second
maximum with a Spanish fighting bull the
same bulls that you see in Spain and we're
trying to see how close we can get and how
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stylish we can be while dancing around this
bull and jumping over him and doing flips
and everything else.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So you're kind of showcasing your abilities,
but you also want to show off that bull a
little bit too and make him look fancy too?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, absolutely so.
It's about showcasing your abilities, but
you're only as good as your dance partner,
so you got to take what that bull's given
you and make the best of it.
Some bulls are smarter than others and they
won't let you get by with as much, and some
bulls are really fresh and they'll let you
make it real pretty and do whatever you
want.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So is the scoring similar as in like bull
riding, where half the score is the athlete
and the other half of the score is the
animal athlete?
Is it similar in bullfighting freestyle
bullfighting of how the scores are tallied?
Speaker 3 (16:19):
so bull riding and freestyle bullfighting
you're scored basically the same there's 50
points for the animal and 50 points for the
rider or the fighter either.
On your case, um so the bulls in freestyle
bullfighting are judged on their meanness,
their aggression and their willingness to
stay hooked up with the bullfighter, which
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means how willing they are to stay with you
rather than running off across the pen.
They want to hook you down, they want to
get you down and hurt you.
And then, on our case, we're judged, like
the bull riders are, how in control we are
and how stylish we're making it look.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Very good.
Getting a sale is definitely a key part of
a bullfight.
Sometimes that's like the difference in
whether you win or lose a bullfight,
wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Absolutely.
I tell guys that all the time it's gotten
to the point where if you get a cell you
can win your round, and I tell guys that
all the time and they still go out there
and won't get one.
I mean, this past weekend, durango, me and
Coy tied for first place in the short round
and he was looking to get a jump at the end
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but that bull just wouldn't turn and give
it to him, so he didn't get that cell at
the end.
And it bull just wouldn't turn and give it
to him, so it he didn't get that sell at
the end and it put us at that same even
point yeah, which coy ended up coming out a
little bit ahead just on bullfighter score
for the entire round on that.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
But if he would have got a sale it probably
wouldn't have been a question right?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
exactly if he would have been able to jump
that bull like he had wanted to.
It wouldn't have been a question of who won
because of the tie, he would have been more
tired.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
How do you practice that?
I mean, how do you know that you can
backflip over a bull or jump over a bull?
How do you actually practice that?
I'm fascinated by this that I'm fascinated
by.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
This Funny thing is when I first started I
came around and the first camp I went to is
Justin Josie and Weston Rakowski and all
those guys standing there and they're
yelling at the guys to jump them, and
nobody'd really go to them.
And I was like, man, I'm gonna do one,
better than jump them, I'm going to do a
front flip.
So I just tried it and for a couple of
years that worked out for me until it
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didn't, and then I stopped doing flips for
a little while and then I took a trip over
to Spain and they taught me how to flip
over one.
And now, when I'm in the States, the best
thing I've found to practice on is a hay
bale, because it's tall and it's round, so
you can kind of get that flipping motion in
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did you guys wear like protective gear and
stuff like that when you're out there
fighting bulls?
yeah, so we wear protective gear.
All guys are different, like there's some
guys that wear hockey pads on their legs,
or I wear a football or a football girdle,
basically, um, but we all, we all wear a, a
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flat jacket vest.
Basically it's hard plastic on the outside
and it's got cushion on the inside, so the
inside absorbs the impact, but the hard
outside will keep bulls, horns and uh
hooves from sticking on you.
They'll just slide off.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Thankfully, yeah, unless you break one,
sometimes that's rough or a horn gets
inside the vest.
That's a little rough yeah, that happened
this weekend.
Somebody got a horn up the vest and got
carried a little bit, but that that does
happen.
So whenever you're preparing for a
bullfight chance, everybody's stuff's kind
of different.
Uh, I've known guys that don't do any kind
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of workouts whatsoever and do just fine in
life, but um, I know that's not the case
for everyone.
So what's your like preparation for a
bullfight?
It's like selena's.
Like what have you been doing to prepare
for selena's?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
and I try to just stay prepared.
Throughout the year.
I work out every day that I'm home.
I'll be up every morning riding my bicycle
to the gym, so it's an everyday grind for
me.
I used to be that guy that didn't really
work out.
Just because I was younger, I tried to rely
on my talent.
But as you get older and you mature, you
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realize that's not going to be enough and
you've got to work at these things as well.
You mature, you realize that's not going to
be enough and you got to work at these
things as well.
So you just gotta.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
You gotta fine-tune your physical and
mental ability to be able to handle the
stress of it especially like going to
durango this weekend, where the air was a
little thinner there than it is in texas
and oklahoma absolutely so.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
that was a big problem for guys this
weekend I noticed in durango, colorado.
It's a higher elevation so at the air
center it's harder to breathe up there and
get oxygen to your muscles like you need to.
So even Connor Quesada he's from Colorado
and he's a little more used to the
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elevation, but you could see it in his
bullfight this week that his legs weren't
really under him because the air wasn't
inside him he's been.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
He's been hanging out in oklahoma quite a
while, though, so we kind of yeah, he has.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Yeah, he has.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
He's acclimated to oklahoma yeah, he's,
he's, he's a resident, practically so yeah,
he was a little confused at that.
I think it kind of threw him because that
that is his stomping grounds up there, but
it does happen.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Oh yeah, coy got a little luckier than
everybody else and booked a rodeo the week
before, so he'd been up here for a week.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
He got a little acclimated.
That's right, yeah, so how many bullfights
do you go to in a year?
Chance?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I want to say typically somewhere between
20 and 30 bullfights a year.
'd I'd say I probably hit so like every
other weekend, average yeah, every other
weekend.
It's not really compiled up like that, but
some, some weeks it's two a week or one
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every weekend and none for two weeks you
know know Kind of scatters around and
there's no specific place where you stay at,
because clearly you're in Colorado, going
to Salinas.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
So you kind of just there's no really rhyme
or reason to where they're at or why
they're there.
So, chance, tell us about your house on
wheels there.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
This is my second house on wheels.
This is a lot nicer than the first one.
Y'all aren't going to see the inside
because it's extremely dirty.
I've been living out of it for a week and a
half or two weeks now, but it has recently
been wrapped by my sponsor, wsm Auctioneers,
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and I no longer look like the FedEx man.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Oh, that's fabulous, John and Shelly at WSM,
fantastic group of people Smash.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
You guys were just down in Durango and
Chance was just talking about being down
there.
You know what were you guys doing down
there?
I mean, Cody wasn't obviously fighting
bulls, so you guys are stock contractors.
Cody wasn't obviously fighting bulls, so
you guys are stock contractors.
What goes into the type of stock you guys
have compared to the other stock?
(23:23):
That goes to some of the events.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, so, like Chan said, like the bulls
are fighting, or Spanish bloodlines
essentially, and what we're raising comes
from those bloodlines, the Mexico
bloodlines, different things.
So Cody and I have developed basically an
entire breeding program for fighting bulls
and so we haul those all over the place and
(23:49):
the same thing like Chance was starting to
talk about.
You know, half of the fight score goes to
the bull fighter, but half of the score is
also the bull.
Basically, you want to make sure that we're
taking stuff that they can make look pretty,
and you know.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Maybe a stupid question, but like, do you
actually?
You know, like and this is a whole other
conversation but you know, like, I know the
bucking bulls they're, they're bred to buck,
like, that's just, that's what they in
their bloodline, that's what they do.
Is it similar with bull, with fighting
bulls, that like, like, do you have to
train them to do this, or do they just
inherently know what their job is to do and
(24:31):
really the athlete kind of makes them look
even better or really showcases, I guess,
their skills?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
I don't think you can train a bull to be as
mean as what these things are.
It's definitely genetically bred into them
If you've ever been hooked by a 45 pound
calf like I have.
So whenever they're born they're mean like
they're trying to hook you, they're chasing
you.
I had one after me and my horse the other
day and the thing wasn't knee high to my
horse, like it was crazy.
(25:00):
That's just what they're bred to do, though
that's that is it.
Like you can't, you literally can't make
them do it.
And same thing with bucking bulls.
We, we put a flank on them, but really that
flank is just to like give them something
to think about, kind of slow them down a
little bit, make them think about something
else.
Uh, just um, but it doesn't really do much.
Sometimes, you know it's, it's literally
(25:26):
just barely hanging there, like, sometimes
it's, you know it just depends on the bull,
really, but it, uh, they're, they're
genetically that way, and some of them some
of them are meaner than other ones.
Um, I haven't.
I mean I fed I was hand feeding some
through the fence the other day some hay,
but uh, I'm not going to try and do it
while standing in there with them, like
people do with their buck and bulls.
(25:46):
I I don't think I'll ever get one that tame.
I don't think I want one.
I wouldn't trust it anyways if I did.
But um, they're, uh, they're different kind
of different kind of animal, for sure, but
they're pretty cool to to watch develop.
Um, from the ground up, for sure they're
the cutest little things.
When they're born they're like the cutest
(26:08):
calves you'll ever see in your life.
They're so tiny and just adorable.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And then they grow up to be really mean are
they about the same size as like bucking
bulls?
Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think they're probably smaller statute.
I mean, I haven't been around a lot of
newborn bucking bulls but they're pretty.
They're pretty small that they're a lot
smaller framed cow.
Um, usually the bulls are, they're beefy, I
mean like they're.
They're bulky, but they're usually a little
shorter in stature and such but um.
So we've kind of got some that are
(26:40):
crossbred and stuff that grow a little
faster and a little bigger, but're they're
pretty much all born pretty small but I do
want to ask how long have you and cody
actually been um raising bulls?
raising them about five years.
I guess we bought some a few years before
that just to haul this, some small events
(27:00):
and stuff um, just something kind of to do.
There's not a lot of bullfighting stock
contractors and we just I mean, cody loves
bulls and so we we got in a few and um had
some partners and stuff um on that deal and
me and the partner pretty much were taking
(27:20):
them to some events because cody couldn't.
And then, um, it kind of just developed
from there where Cody just he wanted to get
some cows and he's like, well, we'll just
raise a few cows.
And then so I'm like, oh okay, well,
they're cute babies, we'll raise calves,
like I, I like cows.
So so we got some cows and we started
raising them and then, uh, and then, um,
(27:43):
after it kind of exploded into a extreme
situation at my house where now I have you
walk out the back door and there's just
fighting bulls everywhere from every age
group.
So Saturday we actually got to have our
first calf crop debut, so the first ranch
(28:07):
raised ones they had.
They went out of san antonio, cody, we get
to take some fighting bulls down there to
sell the rodeo with them.
So we had some of our calves there and so
that was really exciting and so this was
their first bull fight like actually like
competition wise.
So we had we had two of them out there, so
that was pretty cool to see something that
we had raised be out there and it looked
(28:29):
good, so it was nice.
What's the average age?
Speaker 1 (28:33):
These are four, and how long do they
usually go for, like what's their longevity
of their careers?
Typically?
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It really just depends on the bull.
Some of them will fight for years and years.
I've got oneouglas fought saturday too and
I've had him for I don't know, he's
probably like nine, uh, but it just really
depends on the bull sometimes.
Sometimes you can get one or two fights out
(29:01):
of them and then they're like done and
they're sour and smart or whatever, and
then sometimes they'll fight for years.
It just depends, all right chance.
Thanks for coming on, thanks for talking to
us.
I appreciate your time.
Enjoy selenus, go uh, go win that'd be cool.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Thank you for listening to beyond the rodeo.
We'll catch you on the next episode.
Thanks for listening to Beyond the Rodeo.
To learn even more about Western Sports
(29:38):
Foundation and how we're helping Western
sports reach new heights, head to
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We'll catch you back here for the next
episode.
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