November 22, 2023 • 48 mins
Flora, Derek, and Zenger return to the roundtable to discuss the new Newkirk movie The Unbinding! From the creators of Hellier, The Unbinding follows Greg and Dana Newkirk on their quest to investigate a cursed object and the entity possibly trapped within it. The boys discuss the film and share their thoughts on it. How does it compare to Hellier? What kind of impression did it leave on the guys? Should you ever pick up a carved wooden figure you stumble across in the woods? All this and more is discussed on this bonus Nights at the Roundtable on Blurry Photos!
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Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back toanother night at the Roundtable. Gentlemen,
please introduce yourselves. Hi. I'mDavid Flora. I'm the host of the
Blurry Photos podcast. Oh hi,I also co host Hysteri fifty one in
Quiz Quiz Bang Bang. I alsohave five minute frights and that's me.
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So it's any zinger from the zingthis podcast. I think I can officially
say I have the best hair onthis episode. You're the only one with
hair on Hey, Hey, Iwin things by default. Okay, yeah,
I'm visiting this podcast, and yeah, we talked about pop culture and
stuff. And I don't have alaundry list like David does, so yeah,
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oh wait, no wait I do. I also do a Star Wars
podcast called Nights of Vader. ThereI got to I got too, And
of course I am Derek Kay's ofMonsters among Us podcast. And we've assembled
here tonight's to review yet to anotherfilm. Now we've flipped the lights in
the theater on, we've dusted offthe seats and pop some popcorn and sat
down to watch the Unbinding the newKirk's brand new documentary. Gentlemen, let's
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start off with initial thoughts, Uh, justin, David, you go first,
We'll see. We'll see what Davidhas to say. I just wanted
to sea, Yeah, I justwant to keep just on his toes.
Tonight, David hit us first andin justin, Just what did you guys
think? Initially watching this thing?I thought this was a very compelling story.
They told about an object that meor may not have been cursed it.
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It kept my attention throughout. Ithought it was beautifully shot, well
done, so I I enjoyed it. So for me going into this cursed
object stuff like that, it's notsomething I really put a lot of stock
in. As the episode, Imean sorry, As the documentary film continued,
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I became more invested. Much liketheir Hell Your documentary, it kind
of draws you in and keeps drawingyou in a little bit more with you
kind of figuring out more of what'sgoing on with it. So, I
mean, I enjoyed it by theend of it. The start was where
it was like, oh, it'sa possessed item. I'm like, okay,
because that's not high on my listof paranormal stuff, but I know
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other people's are, so, LikeI said, it drew me in and
kept me captivated. So they reallydangle that that lead out there in front
of you, don't they Every Everytime you're okay, what's going on?
Now, there's another piece of informationthat seems to drop that's like okay,
Well it moves you forward in thestory, and that's exactly how that's supposed
to work. I guess my thoughtwas, I'm familiar with this story.
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I remember hearing them talk about it. Man, I don't know, four
or five years ago on I wantto say Bigfoot Collectors Club, that guys
over there have them on on occasion. Anyway, I remember hearing the story,
so for me, it was funto actually get to see this idol
or what they ended up calling it. They called it the Krone. We'll
get into that here in a second. But what is that epigy idol?
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Yeah, it's a little carved woodencarved goddess figure. There you go.
That nails it, And I guesswe should segue this into some sort of
we should segue into some sort ofsynopsis, and I guess I'll try to
deliver it best I can without anyspoilers, of course. So initially the
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film begins with a group of hikersthat in the Catskill Mountains and they uncover
this strange carving in a cave andthey reach out to well, they reach
out to Reddit, I believe,and that's where the New Kirks kind of
find this information. And somehow,one way or another, the gentleman ends
up sending the effigy off to theNew Kirks that they have it in their
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possession. So the film essentially iskind of following the research of what this
thing might be, trying to recreatethe item to save it, because ultimately
they want to take it back andput it back in the cave where they
found it or where it was foundI suppose. So the whole thing is
just kind of the journey of thiscarving and you know what it's about and
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where it ends up, and fairenough snops Us. They get around to
some Slavic folklore and mythology, andmy ears kind of perked up at that
the name Baba Yaga came up.I don't know that it was necessarily necessary
to the figure itself, but itopened the door for them to find out
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more about where this could have comefrom, or at least the idea of
and what the figure represented so Ireally appreciated the Slavic mythology, folklore and
stuff that they But you know thatold mythology folklore, the mythology and the
folklore that they brought up in it, I thought that was really cool to
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draw from. So I appreciated that. You know, Another thing I like
about it, and I'm a veryvisual guy. Just the area where this
takes place, the Catskill Mountains orlike, I've never been there, but
it looks spooky as hell, andall this footage that they shot. And
of course they shot in like Octoberor something, so it was like the
perfect time of year to shoot ina place like that. But frankly,
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I might have to go visit,you know, Central New York or the
Finger Lakes or wherever the region isthe cat Skills, I guess, because
it just looked amazing to me.Reminded me of Ohio beck Home. I
was about to say. The otherthing that got me was the timeline of
this was interesting because if I'm correct, all this took place before they did
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Hellyer. I think, because Ihad that question as well. I think
that Hellier started a little earlier withthe emails and stuff. But this was
either right, on top of itor right with it when they because helier
came out and I think twenty nineteenyou are correct, and they had mentioned
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something maybe about receiving emails and stuffin twenty twelve even maybe Well it seems
like both stories were going on,you know, at the same time.
They were dealing with both at thesame time. Well, the thing that
got me is Greg looked really youngin a lot of the like a lot
of the footage. That's why Iwas like, is this just weird?
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Does he look way younger? AndI kept having to remind myself, this
is before a lot of stuff thatwe see like now from them and everything.
So that was just something that Ijust had to keep reminding myself that
this takes place before, like alot of events take place before, and
I guess a lot of the filmingthey did took place before the events of
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Hell Here, which, like,I'm not super familiar with the New Kirks
prior to hell Youer per Se.So like I said, it's just Hellure
was my introduction to them for themost part and from then on, so
I didn't know that they were thisinvolved in the paranormal scene. And I
guess the convention scene too, withtheir little setting up the at the what
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was it the Michigan, Michigan,Michigan. We should probably work our way
into talking about their museum a littlebit. It's called the Traveling Museum of
the Paranormal and the Occult. Isthat a Cincinnati, But it's a traveling
museum. I guess they have itall over the place. I've never seen
it, you know, I've neverexperienced it, but just looking at some
of the stuff that they had inthe footage incredible. I mean I was
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pretty jealous of some of the piecesthat they had. Yeah, they've collected
a lot of a lot of coolstuff. Yeah, is it? Zach
Baggins is the other guy that doeslike the collection of like haunted items.
Yeah. Okay, he has amuseum in Vegas. Okay, Derek,
you've been there, right there,you go wearing the shirt we have the
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T shirt on synchronicity. Guys,synchronicity, What a great thing to have
in a complete audio medium. Imean, I'm wearing micir then no one
can see. Well, they've seenyou too, so they so they know
I automatically win on the pet hairfacial hair. I think I will never
beat Flora. So but but gettingback to this, like, like I
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said, it was just like somethingthat was interesting with all that. And
I'm wondering because you guys are moreclued into this, that that whole event
of when they like took it outat the convention and like everything went,
Hey, why that's when you guyshad heard about before, because you guys
have your fingers vaguely closer to thepolls of this stuff that I do.
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I don't know, you mean thisexact event or or something like it.
Well, no, no, no, the event of like the guy having
like a seizure, bleeding from themouth, all this that that whole crazy
thing on once they drink was spilled. Now to let people that aren't going
to watch the film or whatever inon what we're talking about this effigy,
they put it in a box,and I guess that's their way of,
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well, we'll get to why,we'll get to why they put in a
box on a second problem. Ohyeah, we probably should do that too.
But anyway, they put it ina box, lock it up,
and they took it with them inthe museum, and I guess some guy
kept asking, Hey, I wantto see it. I want to see
it. I want to see it. Finally they gave in, They're like,
okay, fine. They opened thebox and I guess there was some
sort of energy that just went throughthe room. There was drinks that were
spilled, and then a guy downthe end of the hallway had some sort
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of seizure and just started vomity.Blood or something. I can't re there
was blood involved somehow, So that'sthat's what Justin's talking about there. I
was not familiar with it. I'venever been to Michigan Pericon. They've yet
to invite me. I don't Idon't go to Michigan very often for personal
reasons, for special sorts reasons,especially this time, especially this time of
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year. Anyhow, I did hearother people talk about it online though,
that it did happen. So thereare why they didn't have those those witnesses
in the film. I think thatwould have been powerful. Maybe they couldn't
get them or whatever. I knowhow that is. But I did hear
other people talking about being there andjust how weird it was, that there
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was something strange going on, Sothat is backed up a little bit there.
Yeah, so I guess we shouldget into like what this effigy that
they found or that was sent tothem was doing or allegedly doing to the
people who came into possession of it, much like a divic box. Also
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at Zach Beggins. Yeah, yeah, very true. Wait doesn't he have
the doll too? No? No, I don't think so. That's the
Warren's Museum. Okay, sorry,and he's got island or something. Yeah,
he does have dolls. I meanthere are hundreds of them in that
building, but not the not Robertor Annabelle I think of the two famous
ones. But as far as theactivity is concerned, once they had the
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creature sent to them, the creature, once they hud the carving scent to
them, they would hear like strangesounds and I guess water was associated with
it. They would find wet footprintsand like water dripping in different surfaces.
You know. They did some diggingand it found out that there was some
David, you should take over herebecause this is definitely in your territory.
But it was. It was alittle confusing because they brought up a goddess
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by the name of Mokash and theythey said at one point she was goddess
of witches, I think, orsomething something paranormal like that of women who
practice magic. And I looked atthat a little bit, and I couldn't
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find a solid connection between this goddessand witchcraft, except for maybe divination.
Sometimes she was because she was agoddess of several things, fertility, something
like water right, well, theysay moisture, but I get the sense
that it was like rains for crops. I don't know, it could just
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be straight up wet or you know, moisture and but whatever. And so
they talked about that and the fateaspect of this goddess who was like the
main mother goddess of Slavic mythology.Uh, there was this connection to knowing
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the future a little bit because shespun the threat of fate, and the
divination aspect came from that angle ofit. So I didn't see much else
in terms of witchcraft or you know, being kind of a patron of that.
She was a protector goddess protected womenin particular and especially during childbirth.
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So I think they tied the storyof Mokosh into this by saying it was
Mocosh who was bound in this effigyand it could have been by Vellus.
I think the there's an underworld godwho in one story captures Mokash takes her
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up a mountain, and then thegod Perun, the thunder god, who
was kind of the main who waslike the Zeus figure, was the husband
of Mokash, and had to cutopen the stomach of Vellas to get her
out because she had been kidnapped.Right, yeah, just like you do.
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Who hasn't cut open a god's stomachbefore? So they then they brought
up this other creature called a kikimora, which is kind of like a
There are a couple types, buttheir household spirits, from my understanding,
and one of them in particular,comes from swamps. And that's where you
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get this dripping wet type of entitythat leaves footprints and wears moss and grass
and stuff, and sometimes can kidnapchildren if as I as I read up
on it, if the household iskind of in disarray, if the woman
doesn't do her duties, if theman cautionary, it's abusive, Yeah,
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I think so, And it canstill children. So that's the thing that
they they eventually, I think,got around to saying, was coming out
of this thing when people experienced stuff. So it was a little confusing in
there, but I don't know,I appreciate the mythology of it. Yeah,
no, I was. I waspretty confused myself. I was unsure
if they were trying to say thatMokosh is that is that right, okay,
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if if the carving was containing orpossessed by Mokosh, or if it
was something similar, you know,or also if the carving itself was of
Mokash. So there was a Ifeel like I should have watched it twice,
honestly, but I didn't have thetime for that. But I was
a little confused as to where thattie in was. So that's that's certainly
helpful that you re explained that.Yeah, I think it was of her,
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Yeah, but it also contained her. But then there was this other
creature sorry, yeah, got involvedwas thrown in there at some point.
Well again, that was the gatewayto kind of got them, you know,
to find this really because they didn'tknow what to look for. And
I'll give a little bit away thatwhen they go to take it back,
they realized that it's a Ukrainian settlementthere. Ukrainian Americans kind of live in
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this area, so then that kindof like, oh, well, maybe
we should look in Ukrainian folklore,and that's sort of they backtracked into what
they did find. It's all veryfascinating and like justin out of my wheelhouse
as well, like I'm not muchinto the mythology or cursed objects or anything
like that either, but it's certainlyinteresting. I want to ask go ahead,
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justin no, no, go ahead, to go ahead. You might
be asking my question, but I'llsay it if you don't, well,
I just wanted to ask what youguys thought of the Esta's method session that
they did. Now, for peoplethat don't know the estas method is,
I can't remember who came up withit, one of the guys from the
film here, but basically, youput headphones in a blindfold on and you
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do the radio scan what do theycall a spirit box or whatever they call
those things. So you're just listeningto a radio scan channel to channel like
every half a second or something,and then you shout out what you hear,
but you can't communicate with everybody elsein the room and they're talking to
this. So anyway, they dothis in a hotel trying to communicate with
the carving or what's held within,And I'll be honest with you, I
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think the Estes method and the spiritBox, both of them are kind of
BS in my opinion. That said, that session was pretty impressive. The
way things lined up to me waspretty impressive. So I wanted to get
you guys's input on there, yourthoughts. Like I've witnessed people doing the
spirit box before, ironically at Mothmanand one of the bunkers, and it
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was one of those things. Iwas sitting at a distance from it cause
I was like sitting like right nearthe door they were inside, and they
had it going and it was echoingall around in one of the bunkers,
and there was people that that wouldyell out periodically, Oh I heard this.
I heard that. I'm like,I heard nothing. So it's not
high on my list of like believabilitywhen it's just like just thrown out there
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and having everyone interpreting. I thinkhaving one person focus on it is probably
a little bit more in line withsomething I think that isn't as BS as
just having it just to where anyonecan hear what they want from it.
And I know, if I remembercorrectly, I think they used this in
hell here as well, this method, and it was kind of compelling.
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And I do want to point outthough we haven't described what this effigy looks
like, by the way, whichI think should be noted. On what
this thing looks like. If youdon't mind it, I'll describe it real
quick to the best of my abilities. It is this I want to say,
like about eight inch tall eight inchto a foot tall wooden carving of
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a female. And it has alittle noose around its neck as well as
multiple nails driven into its eyes.So it looks very it doesn't. Yeah,
I was I was gonna say,it's not something super complex, it's
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very simple. It's very I wantto say, not trying to bury the
lead here, but it's something thatwould be of its like as David was
describing, I would believe like ifyou found something like this in a Slavic
you know, I don't want tosay like burial mound or something, but
something to where like archaeologists would discoverthis in like an old settlement or something.
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It's it's enough in line with thatthat it's believable in that point once
you find that out later. Butlike I said it's creepy too, because
it's not something i'd want to justhave hanging out around my house. The
noose and the nails are separate.They were added to it. We should
say they weren't carved up, butthat was the But that was something that
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could have been what was it ifI got it correctly, that was them,
not them as in the New Kirks. But whoever did was binding,
yeah, something into this effigy,into this object. So I just wanted
to give a quick description for peoplewho might not watch this or or wanted
to see how accurate we could describeit. And we'll put a picture up
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in the show notes where I willat least I can't speak for these jabrons,
but I'll put one up. I'llcopy and paste from Derek, so
I will have it up as well. Share the link there you get,
David, I want to know whatyou thought about the ESDA method. I
agree with you guys how it was. It's compelling to watch. I can't
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get there personally with believing that itworks or you know, does anything.
I think I would be more impressedby it if the questioners and the person
doing it were in two separate roomswhere they couldn't hear. And I know
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that the people who use it onthat we've seen have soundproofing headphones and all
that stuff, But personally, Iwould put more stock in it if they
were separate. Now I don't knowthe rules of ghostdom where if you're in
a different room with the object,will it even work if the spirit box
is in a different room. Butit's like spectrum Wi Fi. It only
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goes through one wall and that's it. But drywall just eats up the Esti's
method. So yeah, I IBut I will say that in this and
in Hellure, to be honest,the narrative and the storytelling of it is
very compelling and gets creepy real fast. Yeah yeah, I'll tell you what
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my issue is with it, andit's the the manipulation of it by the
spirits, I guess. So thething is, it's just a regular radio
and it's programmed to skip every station. I don't know how many stations are.
It goes from eighty nine to oneoh five or something like that on
the FM scale, and just atevery quarter of a second, half of
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a second, it'll hit that channeland whatever's there just goes. So for
me in the back of my head, they're just hearing or we're all just
hearing, you know, radio DJsaying half a phrase and then somebody else
is another half a phrase and youput it together. Now I see why
people pull words out of this.Where I'm having an issue is where how
does the ghost manipulate what's going tobe on the radio? Because we already
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know it skips in order. Itdoesn't just skip around randomly. It skips
in order eighty nine, nine,ninety point one, ninety point two.
It just skips all the way throughand then loops back around. So there's
no manipulation to be had unless theycan go to the radio station and force
a DJ to say a certain phrase. It just doesn't pan out for me.
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And I understand people's enthusiasm because youget the results. There's actually something
there for you to hear. ButI just have a hard time getting around
that. I haven't spent enough timearound it or done enough research you know
about it. But for me,that was one of the least believable parts
of the film. But like Isaid, that session, there were so
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many things that lined up. Itwas in my head. It almost has
to me. Two things like theyknow what's going on. It's scripted out,
which it didn't seem like that's whatit was, or there was some
sort of strange communication going on there. That's literally what it seemed like.
And I again, I'm still skeptical, so in the back of my head
like there's no way this works,but that's how it seemed. I highly
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encourage people to check that scene out, because I mean it was just back
and forth, just like a regularconversation, and to the point where I
forgot that Dana had headphones on andcouldn't hear what was going on, and
it was just it was so fluidand so quick back and forth. I'm
like, oh, this is itcaught my attention. I guess the best
way to say that I would bevery interested to try that for myself,
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to try that method. Yeah.Now, I I think that they would
say there might be a component toit of sensitivity, that it works better
with people who might be sensitive toother worldly things, and I don't think
I would fall into that category,but I would be willing to try it
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and see how it goes. Soundslike another special episode for us coming up.
Yay, just radio static for awhole hour. So my question to
you two is this is what Iwas going to ask. So Derek did
not hit my question. But Iguess at the at the base of this
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whole thing is how much stocked youtwo? Not from this instance. I
mean, if you want to takethis instance, sure put in cursed objects
or possessed objects. Hmm, WellI'll start. I actually have a quick
little story I used to go becauseI want to go with David. First,
David, let me know what.I used to work in an office
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down in LA and there was likeforty people in that office or something,
and it was we made films,and we made some pretty big films.
So there was a lot of moneycoming in and out. Didn't come to
me, but it went to somebody. So there were a lot of gifts
that were given out, especially thistime of year, I mean box after
box. And when I first startedworking, there was a pa in.
My job was to deliver all theseboxes and one of them came from a
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foreign client. We did foreign salesthere. I don't even know what country
it came from, somewhere in Asiaand they sent I'm going to show you
guys, and I'll post pictures ofthis as well, but they sent this
little guy and it's just like thisah hack, no sculpting wizard looking guy
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with a huge hat on. Nowwhen you pull his hat, it's a
knife. There's a knife his hat. So anyway, this thing passed around
twenty different offices. Nobody went.They were terrified of this thing. Everybody
was trying to get rid of it. And I found it in the trash
and I'm like, this is goinghome with me. So I took the
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oat of the mailroom trash and Istill have it, like ten years later
or whatever. I don't have aclue where this thing came from. It.
There's nothing written on it. It'sjust this weird looking little wizard with
like some fake hair. It's probablyreal hair, but hair sticking out.
And then when you pull on hishead, he becomes a knife, like
a letter opener or something. Soanyway, that's my brush with a cursed
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object that has n't well. I'vehad really bad luck to pass five or
six years, so maybe it doesbring bad luck, but uh, that's
my brush with cursed objects. AndI have a handful of listeners that say
they're gonna send me something, butI've yet to receive it, And Sarah's
real happy about that because she gotmad that I was willing to accept any
haunted objects. She's like, notin my house, but put out in
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the recording shed. Well, I'min the bay, but I can do
whatever I want down here. Thisis my layer. That's why he's doing
here and not upstairs. David,what about you. I don't put much
stock in cursed objects. I Ithe closest I think I could come to
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that is people that are cursed justpeople that have bad luck. They're they're
clumsy, they break stuff or stuffbreaks around them, stuff doesn't work.
They they find things missing a lot, like there are people that I've observed
that have had because you just described, I don't know, how's your microwave
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doing. That's everything else is brokenthe microwave, your computer, Uh,
you have issues with so yeah,so it's almost late to this recording because
it would not start up. Andthat's you know, something that that has
been happening lately. But you know, the the objects and stuff I you'd
have to to reproduce a lot infront of me to to get stuff to
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to get me to believe this stuff. So for example, if you if
you have a voodoo doll something likethat, or or a like some an
object from like ben In or WestAfrica. They they would often drive nails
into stuff for a variety of reasons. I don't think it was always negative,
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but because it looked scary, right, that's what it looks. It
looks crazy, but it's but it'sa way I'm I'm trying to remember exactly
what, because I've done a coupleof episodes on that, and it was
it was a way too oh boy, try to make something manifest in a
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way. And and I'm not talkinglike summoning a demon or something like that.
I'm just like a thought or ifyou want something to happen, almost
like a like the secret, likehanging it on your refrigerator or something.
In a way, it's sympathetic magic. It's it's a way to for you
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to put your thoughts and once ontoan object and hope that that object then
transfers to whatever real thing you wantit to represent. And that's why you
would get, you know, apiece of hair or fingernail or something to
put in that object to make itbe sympathized with the real thing. So
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if it's a person, you know, you put that stuff in there,
and then it and and then ifyou try to hurt it, it's supposed
to hurt the person. Blah blahblah. That's a sympathetic magic, which
I just I don't put any stock. What about something like that. Are
you familiar with Otsy the ice Man? Yeah? Does that sound familiar for
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well, for listeners that don't knowand justin OTSI was just I mean,
he's a ten thousand year old humanthat was walking to French Alps or the
Italian Alps or I don't know,the Alps somewhere and he was in the
Alps and all the ice is melting. So he was found fifteen twenty years
ago. They chiseled him out.And every person that's come in contact with
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this mummy, this freeze dried guyhas died or had something really bad happened
to them. And there's several deaths, I mean, like a dozen I
think associated with him. The guythat found him, the guy that dug
him out, the guy that drovethe truck, the guy at the museum.
I'm making these up. I don'tknow what it actually is. I
can't I'm not that good. Butthere was a lot of people associated with
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it. So I'm curious, like, what do you think of that where
there's there is like a track recordif you believe what's being told at least
well in the same vein. Thatsounds a lot like the tut and Common.
Yeah, I was gonna say,I was like the Mummy, Yeah,
Diamond, James Dean's little bastard.But there's a bunch of them.
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But the thing I was going tofollow up with this after I said my
piece, which actually he's into Derek'sthing is it's is do you feel like
this is something if you're investing inthe mythology of it, it makes it
stronger. Then it makes you kindof put the pieces together for it to
make it real. If if youget what I'm saying, you guys get
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what I'm saying with this is thatyou're making it real by putting emphasis on
it. Yes, Yeah, Tulpaessentially is yeah, the philosophy you're talking
about or or for you know,psychology, it's kind of a placebo.
It would be. It would bekind of a real time confirmation bias type
of thing. Yeah, goodenough foryou. Yeah, Like I said,
(31:41):
that's kind of some elements I gotfrom this, because I would have loved
to have seen them bring somebody inthey had nothing to do with this,
no clue what was going on,and see how they reacted to it,
like giving them nothing to go offof, because, like I said,
I'm somebody that doesn't super believe instuff like this. So if you handed
me this dog, be like,yeah, that's a weird sorry this FGMYA,
(32:02):
that's weird. But I wouldn't havelike because the guy when he was
like pulling the nails out at theend, was like physically being affected by
it to where he was like gettingexhausted from it and getting like I think
he was crying at one point.But I'm like, I wonder what happened
if you just grab some random personoff the street and told him to do
it, if it affected them whohas no clue, I'd put a huge
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emphasis on. Okay, I'm startingto believe this now because that person has
no parameter for it. Yeah.So but if you're somebody who believes in
it and feeds into it, maybeenergy you give it gives that energy back.
Just something I kind of thought ofwhile watching this. To go back
real quick to Derek's question about otsyand stuff, the Curse of the Mummy
(32:52):
from Howard Carter opening the tomb fortwot in Common in twenty two. There
was a legend about nineteen twenty two. We buy that now, Yeah,
there was a legend that grew outof that about a bunch of people involved
or secondarily or tertiarily involved with thisopening of this tomb that met an untimely
(33:19):
end after that happened, and well, I did an episode on it back
in the day, and it turnsout that everybody. It sounds crazy when
you're like, yeah, five peopledied after the tomb was open, but
it was like five people over overlike a decade or more, and they
were all like there was like,oh, somebody died in their sleep,
(33:43):
Oh, somebody contracted malaria, someyou know, oh a bird you know
got sick and died or something.It was like, there's nothing actually to
this that isn't straight up coincidence.Yeah, but when you say five people
died after this tomb was opened,I mean we could now say like billions
of people have died, you know, or whatever. I don't feel it's
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sort of the Bermuda triangle effect,where you know, it sounds crazy when
you list all the things, butif you list the things just outside the
triangle's the exact same. I mean, it's it's just how the ocean is.
So yeah, that's that's the parallelI'm drawing. Huh. I said,
just just just something I pulled fromthis on the whole, Like like
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if you brought me in, didn'tset me up for any of this stuff,
didn't prime me for it, satme in a room with it,
if I get the same responses fromit, see, that's you're you're thinking
correctly, justin because that's a doubleblind test. That's scientific method. That's
what needs to happen with with thatkind of stuff. Yeah, but that
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I said that, that's just thething I said. I find it interesting
seeing all these but I said Iwould just I'd love to see somebody who's
not primed for it. Like wecan do this with a lot of other
examples like the Martha lights or differentand things that are supposed to just occur,
to see if someone who's not primedfor or just just going into a
(35:05):
haunted house, Like if you don'tprime somebody for it and they start responding
like someone prime for it, thatgives me the intention of I'm believing this,
But I said, it's nothing againstthe New Kirks, because everybody in
this was primed to think of thisthing as some cursed object, and the
whole like water smell, the wholelike water appearing places. That is weird.
(35:30):
Yeah, but I said, it'skind of one of those things to
where I would want to experience thatmyself. Like if I got handed this
thing and then all of a suddenI got water footprints around my house,
I'd be like, Huh, that'snew. That's how you do, that's
how you drink. Huh, that'snew. Normally they're flaming footsteps. Well,
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you know, it's a piggyback onwhat you're saying a little bit here,
justin every person's different, And asDavid touched on earlier, some people
claim to have sensitivities. And I'mnot going to sit here and say I
believe, but I've seen some stuffthat really makes me question, and I've
heard some things that really make mequestion. If I was there in the
room and saw this unfold, I'dprobably believe. But because it came secondhand
(36:21):
or came off the Internet or whatever, there's that separation that gives me a
hard time. The point being thatyou could show this thing to one hundred
people and fifty of them could beaffected by the other fifty just they're not
open to that sort of thing,So you could David's right, double blinded.
It means the perfect test to take. But if you start getting complicated
(36:44):
and digging into the fine details ofthe human psyche, do some people have
the abilities? And those are thepeople that connect to these things. So
I guess you then have to askhave you ever had like a psychic experience?
Have you ever guessed the lottery numbersor anything weird like that? I
could see it getting complicated pretty quick. I wouldn't even go that far.
I just have somebody just come inand just experience like because then if you're
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like I said, I mean,I don't want to go back to the
example of me with with the spiritbox. But I said, sitting there
overhearing like the jumbled stuff and havinghearing people y'all, oh man, it
just said this, and I'm sittingthere like it just sounds like you're flying
through radio stations. Like. LikeI said, it wasn't something I was
(37:28):
willing to put belief in, somaybe I wasn't going to get belief out
of it. Now speaking of likecursed objects and stuff, I will point
out this, and I will onehundred percent not deny this. I will
point I'm pointing this out free ofeverything I said. I'm skeptical on some
stuff. But there was a timeframewhen we had our old me me and
(37:52):
my wife had our old car,and it was having issues one of the
computers in the house, like therewas like a ton of mechanical issues going
going on it like one time inthe house and for some reason not trying
to plug plug. But I waslistening to the end of the fray and
they were talking about gremlins and someonesaid like their their mother said like or
(38:15):
it was something talking about gremlins andlike putting out a bowl of milk out
I've heard that. And I satthere and I was like, you know,
what, what's the harm in doingthis? Like, what is the
harm in me taking a bit ofmilk, putting it outside on the porch
bybe where all this stuff is happeningand seeing if it goes away, you're
going to attract the dunes, iswhat's going to happen. That's what I
(38:36):
was gonna say, you just hadthe raccoons. I have a raccoon problem
right now, so you don't wantit. They're here all. Oh no,
this this this was years ago.And like I said, I did
it. Did it? Raccoons didexactly before they were a threat, back
before the raccoon invasion of six.But but no, it's it's just something
(38:59):
to where it's like, did Ibelieve that that's what was causing all this
stuff? No? But I waslike, what's the harm in trying this?
Sure? Like if I'm wrong,eh, if I'm right, maybe
I get rid of these weird thingsthat are bothering me. Like I said,
didn't work out. No, thatthat that van abandoned dustin Pennsylvania like
(39:21):
a few months later. So butit worked fine up until that point.
So maybe it was just I hadto keep it in the right state.
But like I said, this thiswhole thing is interesting, and I think
and I said, the biggest thingI took away from this is belief in
the object, belief in its causingthis or it's doing this. And I
said, that's the thing is Ifeel like everyone in this was prime for
(39:44):
which is great. But I said, as someone skeptical. I'm very like,
eh when I've had the same responsewith this. So so another thing
I wanted to ask you guys was, you know, we talk about directors
and that kind of thing, andthis one was director directed by Kyle Jeez
and this one was directed by CarlPfeiffer, who did the Heller serieses because
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there were two of them. Whatdid you guys think of that? You
know, the aesthetics of the film, like the way it was composed,
you know all that, the thetechnical details of filmmaking. I thought it
was well done. Yeah, Imean he took the green filter off from
Hellier, so I said, Ithought it was shot very well. It
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was something to where like I said, Derek said that going to the Catskills
looks beautiful and everything. So itdefinitely emphasized like the atmosphere of a lot
of areas they were in. Soit does set set an atmosphere, I
would I'll say that for sure,Like it definitely has a vibe to it.
Or you're you're going on this ridewith them, and it's not hard
(40:52):
to put yourself in their shoes whenyou're experiencing all this stuff. They did
a really good job of conveying allthat. There's a lot of slow motion.
But what I what I loved aboutthere were there were quite a few
moments that were kind of hair standingup on your neck inducing. Yeah.
(41:15):
I had to look behind me acouple of times just to be like,
I'm not sure nobody's here with me. Like they they did a great job
of telling stories about how this thingwas affecting people, and how it was
affecting them in their houses and whatwas going on, and it got so
creepy in a couple of parts.I really appreciated that. This doesn't have
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anything to do with the directing.But something they did in the film that
I did appreciate was they were tryingto replicate the carving. I touched on
this a little bit earlier, butthey they did a three D scan and
tried to three D print it,and then eventually they end up just doing
a silicon silicon mold of the effigyitself. I love that, you know,
(42:00):
I love that preservation. Whether it'scursed or not, this is part
of paranormal history now. So Ilove the fact that even though it's gone
and I don't want to give awaywhere it went, but it's gone,
it still exists in a way,you know, they still have for the
most part, it's still here sopeople can lay eyes on it. That
kind of thing, because a lotof times we lose these pieces and once
(42:22):
they're gone, they're gone. Andyou hear old timers talk about all this
big Foot cast print that I hadwas the perfect print, could have proved
big Foot existed. But it's brokenand gone now. So with with this
preservation method, that stuff can cancontinue on. So I do appreciate that.
I'm not going to talk about howthey did that because I think the
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three D printing also had its ownlittle interesting twist with it too. Yeah
that that that was a moment thatmade an eyebrow on my head to shoot
up real quick. So I waslike, that's weird. Yeah, that
was a fun part. So yeah, well, like I said, it's
definitely interesting. Oh I was aboutto do my final thoughts, I was
(43:04):
like, nope, saving it,Well, we can do that. I
mean I think we could probably youguys, cool, if you're wrapping it
up, do you want to segueinto that? Justin sure? After watching
I feel like, hell, youermore pulled me in quicker on the premise
of what it was. This hadI think a lot more interesting stuff with
developments they came across as the asit progressed, Like like I said,
(43:30):
you tell me there's a haunted object, and you don't have me pulled in
yet you build on that with certainaspects later and I get interested. Much
like David, I am someone whois a connoisseur of ancient mythology and stuff
like that. So it definitely ranga bell with me at when they got
(43:52):
to that point with it. LikeI said, it pulled me in then
kept me in. Hell, you'rewhat I said. It had me from
the get go of wait, weirdgobbling things out in the world. It's
oh man. So, like Isaid, it's definitely something that I would
recommend if you're well, hey,if you're listening to any of the three
podcasts that we mainly host are theother twenty that David host, definitely check
(44:15):
it out. I mean, it'sit's definitely worth I mean a rent,
and I mean if you enjoyed Hellierthis, this definitely has a lot of
that same weirdness in it. Icut the Hellier theme in there a few
times. Oh this song, someoneI had a good ear. I do
enjoy the hell your theme. Thatis something I did enjoy a lot.
(44:37):
I guess, I'll guess, I'lljump in here. It's very digestible.
It's an hour and thirty six minutesor something like that, so it's not
like Hellier where it's going to takeup a day's worth of your time to
get through all this. This isvery quick and clean, and there's resolution,
or somewhat of a resolution. Ihighly recommend it. Keep your skeptical
(44:58):
glasses on, of course, butit's an entertaining ride, so I had
a good time watching it. Yeah, I agree with you guys. It's
I appreciate that they did this ina film as opposed to like six episodes
or something. I think it's cleanerthat way. They get to the point
you go on the journey with them. There's a resolution, there's a little
(45:21):
bit of an epilogue. I thinkit's again shot really well. I never
was bothered by any of the cinematography, any of the editing. Everything worked
well for it. So I thinkkudos to Greg and Dana for putting this
together. It was a very smooth, very smooth film. Well, gentlemen,
(45:44):
thank you both for assembling here thisevening to go over this film.
A lot of people right in sayingwe had to do this, so I
kind of dust it off the oldround table mic and it's the same mic
I use every week, but Idusted it off anyway, and here we
are. So thank you guys forstopping by, and thank everyone for listening,
and of course go check out thisfilm. I don't know where you
(46:06):
guys found that. I found iton Apple, the Apple app. I
don't know what they think it's onPrime, So I found it on Prime.
Okay, well there you go.I think it was like four bucks
to rent or something, and itwas definitely worth worth the money. Justin
you start for real this time.Tell everybody where they can find you and
anything you got going on. Youcan of course find Zignas podcasts or ever
(46:28):
you find Grace podcast. That's ceng this. We do pop culture stuff
every week and sometimes the pair ofNormal slips in there into that pop culture
because well it's part of that everything. So definitely check out the Zingnis podcast.
You can check out a Blurry photoswherever you get podcasts. I'll be
coming back with some episodes. I'mjust finishing the writing of one right now,
(46:52):
got a couple in the bag,so I'll be not long absent much
more that that all made sense grammatically. You can also check out Hysteria fifty
one if you'd like a little comedywith your paranormal Quiz Quiz Bang Bang Trivia
(47:12):
and Five Minute Frights is a narrativestory podcast. That's where all the animatronics
come to life and take you outright. It's it's the it's exactly that.
There's a several games. They justmade a movie of it. There
was a better movie that was madea couple of years ago with a different
name, but that might be ournext movie. We do five nights of
(47:36):
Ready. Well. You can findMonsters among us every Thursday. Wherever you
get fined podcasts and you get badpodcasts, we're all in the same place.
I got nothing else going on.David Denies film. We don't have
a date yet, but we're workingour asses off trying to find the date.
We think it's gonna be March,So stay tuned and we'll try to
get that date. Now that we'vesaid that, it'll be'll yeah, because
(48:00):
they tell here's what happens. Theytell us a date, we tell you
guys, and then next time wetalk to him like, oh, we
didn't say that it's this date,and then they just keep pushing it forward,
so eventually it will come out,and you know, there's there's a
lot of processing and stuff, sothere's actually a lot of work going on
behind the scenes, so they're notjust twiddling their thumbs anyhow, enough of
(48:20):
that. If you want to seemy little creature, my little carving that
I have, be sure to checkout the show notes. Be sure to
check out the unbinding from Greg andDana Newkirk and thanks again, guys,
had a good time. Also,stay tuned for my new I will not
stay tuned to this, but checkout my new show Five Minutes with Flora.
It's like five Nights at Friday's,but more terrifying always and he's also
(48:45):
an animatronic, right, I can. I every but
Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome back toanother night at the Roundtable. Gentlemen,
please introduce yourselves. Hi. I'mDavid Flora. I'm the host of the
Blurry Photos podcast. Oh hi,I also co host Hysteri fifty one in
Quiz Quiz Bang Bang. I alsohave five minute frights and that's me.
(00:51):
So it's any zinger from the zingthis podcast. I think I can officially
say I have the best hair onthis episode. You're the only one with
hair on Hey, Hey, Iwin things by default. Okay, yeah,
I'm visiting this podcast, and yeah, we talked about pop culture and
stuff. And I don't have alaundry list like David does, so yeah,
(01:14):
oh wait, no wait I do. I also do a Star Wars
podcast called Nights of Vader. ThereI got to I got too, And
of course I am Derek Kay's ofMonsters among Us podcast. And we've assembled
here tonight's to review yet to anotherfilm. Now we've flipped the lights in
the theater on, we've dusted offthe seats and pop some popcorn and sat
down to watch the Unbinding the newKirk's brand new documentary. Gentlemen, let's
(01:38):
start off with initial thoughts, Uh, justin, David, you go first,
We'll see. We'll see what Davidhas to say. I just wanted
to sea, Yeah, I justwant to keep just on his toes.
Tonight, David hit us first andin justin, Just what did you guys
think? Initially watching this thing?I thought this was a very compelling story.
They told about an object that meor may not have been cursed it.
(02:05):
It kept my attention throughout. Ithought it was beautifully shot, well
done, so I I enjoyed it. So for me going into this cursed
object stuff like that, it's notsomething I really put a lot of stock
in. As the episode, Imean sorry, As the documentary film continued,
(02:28):
I became more invested. Much liketheir Hell Your documentary, it kind
of draws you in and keeps drawingyou in a little bit more with you
kind of figuring out more of what'sgoing on with it. So, I
mean, I enjoyed it by theend of it. The start was where
it was like, oh, it'sa possessed item. I'm like, okay,
because that's not high on my listof paranormal stuff, but I know
(02:50):
other people's are, so, LikeI said, it drew me in and
kept me captivated. So they reallydangle that that lead out there in front
of you, don't they Every Everytime you're okay, what's going on?
Now, there's another piece of informationthat seems to drop that's like okay,
Well it moves you forward in thestory, and that's exactly how that's supposed
to work. I guess my thoughtwas, I'm familiar with this story.
(03:13):
I remember hearing them talk about it. Man, I don't know, four
or five years ago on I wantto say Bigfoot Collectors Club, that guys
over there have them on on occasion. Anyway, I remember hearing the story,
so for me, it was funto actually get to see this idol
or what they ended up calling it. They called it the Krone. We'll
get into that here in a second. But what is that epigy idol?
(03:35):
Yeah, it's a little carved woodencarved goddess figure. There you go.
That nails it, And I guesswe should segue this into some sort of
we should segue into some sort ofsynopsis, and I guess I'll try to
deliver it best I can without anyspoilers, of course. So initially the
(03:58):
film begins with a group of hikersthat in the Catskill Mountains and they uncover
this strange carving in a cave andthey reach out to well, they reach
out to Reddit, I believe,and that's where the New Kirks kind of
find this information. And somehow,one way or another, the gentleman ends
up sending the effigy off to theNew Kirks that they have it in their
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possession. So the film essentially iskind of following the research of what this
thing might be, trying to recreatethe item to save it, because ultimately
they want to take it back andput it back in the cave where they
found it or where it was foundI suppose. So the whole thing is
just kind of the journey of thiscarving and you know what it's about and
(04:42):
where it ends up, and fairenough snops Us. They get around to
some Slavic folklore and mythology, andmy ears kind of perked up at that
the name Baba Yaga came up.I don't know that it was necessarily necessary
to the figure itself, but itopened the door for them to find out
(05:08):
more about where this could have comefrom, or at least the idea of
and what the figure represented so Ireally appreciated the Slavic mythology, folklore and
stuff that they But you know thatold mythology folklore, the mythology and the
folklore that they brought up in it, I thought that was really cool to
(05:30):
draw from. So I appreciated that. You know, Another thing I like
about it, and I'm a veryvisual guy. Just the area where this
takes place, the Catskill Mountains orlike, I've never been there, but
it looks spooky as hell, andall this footage that they shot. And
of course they shot in like Octoberor something, so it was like the
perfect time of year to shoot ina place like that. But frankly,
(05:51):
I might have to go visit,you know, Central New York or the
Finger Lakes or wherever the region isthe cat Skills, I guess, because
it just looked amazing to me.Reminded me of Ohio beck Home. I
was about to say. The otherthing that got me was the timeline of
this was interesting because if I'm correct, all this took place before they did
(06:13):
Hellyer. I think, because Ihad that question as well. I think
that Hellier started a little earlier withthe emails and stuff. But this was
either right, on top of itor right with it when they because helier
came out and I think twenty nineteenyou are correct, and they had mentioned
(06:33):
something maybe about receiving emails and stuffin twenty twelve even maybe Well it seems
like both stories were going on,you know, at the same time.
They were dealing with both at thesame time. Well, the thing that
got me is Greg looked really youngin a lot of the like a lot
of the footage. That's why Iwas like, is this just weird?
(06:54):
Does he look way younger? AndI kept having to remind myself, this
is before a lot of stuff thatwe see like now from them and everything.
So that was just something that Ijust had to keep reminding myself that
this takes place before, like alot of events take place before, and
I guess a lot of the filmingthey did took place before the events of
(07:15):
Hell Here, which, like,I'm not super familiar with the New Kirks
prior to hell Youer per Se.So like I said, it's just Hellure
was my introduction to them for themost part and from then on, so
I didn't know that they were thisinvolved in the paranormal scene. And I
guess the convention scene too, withtheir little setting up the at the what
(07:40):
was it the Michigan, Michigan,Michigan. We should probably work our way
into talking about their museum a littlebit. It's called the Traveling Museum of
the Paranormal and the Occult. Isthat a Cincinnati, But it's a traveling
museum. I guess they have itall over the place. I've never seen
it, you know, I've neverexperienced it, but just looking at some
of the stuff that they had inthe footage incredible. I mean I was
(08:01):
pretty jealous of some of the piecesthat they had. Yeah, they've collected
a lot of a lot of coolstuff. Yeah, is it? Zach
Baggins is the other guy that doeslike the collection of like haunted items.
Yeah. Okay, he has amuseum in Vegas. Okay, Derek,
you've been there, right there,you go wearing the shirt we have the
(08:22):
T shirt on synchronicity. Guys,synchronicity, What a great thing to have
in a complete audio medium. Imean, I'm wearing micir then no one
can see. Well, they've seenyou too, so they so they know
I automatically win on the pet hairfacial hair. I think I will never
beat Flora. So but but gettingback to this, like, like I
(08:45):
said, it was just like somethingthat was interesting with all that. And
I'm wondering because you guys are moreclued into this, that that whole event
of when they like took it outat the convention and like everything went,
Hey, why that's when you guyshad heard about before, because you guys
have your fingers vaguely closer to thepolls of this stuff that I do.
(09:09):
I don't know, you mean thisexact event or or something like it.
Well, no, no, no, the event of like the guy having
like a seizure, bleeding from themouth, all this that that whole crazy
thing on once they drink was spilled. Now to let people that aren't going
to watch the film or whatever inon what we're talking about this effigy,
they put it in a box,and I guess that's their way of,
(09:30):
well, we'll get to why,we'll get to why they put in a
box on a second problem. Ohyeah, we probably should do that too.
But anyway, they put it ina box, lock it up,
and they took it with them inthe museum, and I guess some guy
kept asking, Hey, I wantto see it. I want to see
it. I want to see it. Finally they gave in, They're like,
okay, fine. They opened thebox and I guess there was some
sort of energy that just went throughthe room. There was drinks that were
spilled, and then a guy downthe end of the hallway had some sort
(09:54):
of seizure and just started vomity.Blood or something. I can't re there
was blood involved somehow, So that'sthat's what Justin's talking about there. I
was not familiar with it. I'venever been to Michigan Pericon. They've yet
to invite me. I don't Idon't go to Michigan very often for personal
reasons, for special sorts reasons,especially this time, especially this time of
(10:20):
year. Anyhow, I did hearother people talk about it online though,
that it did happen. So thereare why they didn't have those those witnesses
in the film. I think thatwould have been powerful. Maybe they couldn't
get them or whatever. I knowhow that is. But I did hear
other people talking about being there andjust how weird it was, that there
(10:41):
was something strange going on, Sothat is backed up a little bit there.
Yeah, so I guess we shouldget into like what this effigy that
they found or that was sent tothem was doing or allegedly doing to the
people who came into possession of it, much like a divic box. Also
(11:05):
at Zach Beggins. Yeah, yeah, very true. Wait doesn't he have
the doll too? No? No, I don't think so. That's the
Warren's Museum. Okay, sorry,and he's got island or something. Yeah,
he does have dolls. I meanthere are hundreds of them in that
building, but not the not Robertor Annabelle I think of the two famous
ones. But as far as theactivity is concerned, once they had the
(11:28):
creature sent to them, the creature, once they hud the carving scent to
them, they would hear like strangesounds and I guess water was associated with
it. They would find wet footprintsand like water dripping in different surfaces.
You know. They did some diggingand it found out that there was some
David, you should take over herebecause this is definitely in your territory.
But it was. It was alittle confusing because they brought up a goddess
(11:52):
by the name of Mokash and theythey said at one point she was goddess
of witches, I think, orsomething something paranormal like that of women who
practice magic. And I looked atthat a little bit, and I couldn't
(12:15):
find a solid connection between this goddessand witchcraft, except for maybe divination.
Sometimes she was because she was agoddess of several things, fertility, something
like water right, well, theysay moisture, but I get the sense
that it was like rains for crops. I don't know, it could just
(12:39):
be straight up wet or you know, moisture and but whatever. And so
they talked about that and the fateaspect of this goddess who was like the
main mother goddess of Slavic mythology.Uh, there was this connection to knowing
(13:00):
the future a little bit because shespun the threat of fate, and the
divination aspect came from that angle ofit. So I didn't see much else
in terms of witchcraft or you know, being kind of a patron of that.
She was a protector goddess protected womenin particular and especially during childbirth.
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So I think they tied the storyof Mokosh into this by saying it was
Mocosh who was bound in this effigyand it could have been by Vellus.
I think the there's an underworld godwho in one story captures Mokash takes her
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up a mountain, and then thegod Perun, the thunder god, who
was kind of the main who waslike the Zeus figure, was the husband
of Mokash, and had to cutopen the stomach of Vellas to get her
out because she had been kidnapped.Right, yeah, just like you do.
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Who hasn't cut open a god's stomachbefore? So they then they brought
up this other creature called a kikimora, which is kind of like a
There are a couple types, buttheir household spirits, from my understanding,
and one of them in particular,comes from swamps. And that's where you
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get this dripping wet type of entitythat leaves footprints and wears moss and grass
and stuff, and sometimes can kidnapchildren if as I as I read up
on it, if the household iskind of in disarray, if the woman
doesn't do her duties, if theman cautionary, it's abusive, Yeah,
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I think so, And it canstill children. So that's the thing that
they they eventually, I think,got around to saying, was coming out
of this thing when people experienced stuff. So it was a little confusing in
there, but I don't know,I appreciate the mythology of it. Yeah,
no, I was. I waspretty confused myself. I was unsure
if they were trying to say thatMokosh is that is that right, okay,
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if if the carving was containing orpossessed by Mokosh, or if it
was something similar, you know,or also if the carving itself was of
Mokash. So there was a Ifeel like I should have watched it twice,
honestly, but I didn't have thetime for that. But I was
a little confused as to where thattie in was. So that's that's certainly
helpful that you re explained that.Yeah, I think it was of her,
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Yeah, but it also contained her. But then there was this other
creature sorry, yeah, got involvedwas thrown in there at some point.
Well again, that was the gatewayto kind of got them, you know,
to find this really because they didn'tknow what to look for. And
I'll give a little bit away thatwhen they go to take it back,
they realized that it's a Ukrainian settlementthere. Ukrainian Americans kind of live in
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this area, so then that kindof like, oh, well, maybe
we should look in Ukrainian folklore,and that's sort of they backtracked into what
they did find. It's all veryfascinating and like justin out of my wheelhouse
as well, like I'm not muchinto the mythology or cursed objects or anything
like that either, but it's certainlyinteresting. I want to ask go ahead,
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justin no, no, go ahead, to go ahead. You might
be asking my question, but I'llsay it if you don't, well,
I just wanted to ask what youguys thought of the Esta's method session that
they did. Now, for peoplethat don't know the estas method is,
I can't remember who came up withit, one of the guys from the
film here, but basically, youput headphones in a blindfold on and you
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do the radio scan what do theycall a spirit box or whatever they call
those things. So you're just listeningto a radio scan channel to channel like
every half a second or something,and then you shout out what you hear,
but you can't communicate with everybody elsein the room and they're talking to
this. So anyway, they dothis in a hotel trying to communicate with
the carving or what's held within,And I'll be honest with you, I
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think the Estes method and the spiritBox, both of them are kind of
BS in my opinion. That said, that session was pretty impressive. The
way things lined up to me waspretty impressive. So I wanted to get
you guys's input on there, yourthoughts. Like I've witnessed people doing the
spirit box before, ironically at Mothmanand one of the bunkers, and it
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was one of those things. Iwas sitting at a distance from it cause
I was like sitting like right nearthe door they were inside, and they
had it going and it was echoingall around in one of the bunkers,
and there was people that that wouldyell out periodically, Oh I heard this.
I heard that. I'm like,I heard nothing. So it's not
high on my list of like believabilitywhen it's just like just thrown out there
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and having everyone interpreting. I thinkhaving one person focus on it is probably
a little bit more in line withsomething I think that isn't as BS as
just having it just to where anyonecan hear what they want from it.
And I know, if I remembercorrectly, I think they used this in
hell here as well, this method, and it was kind of compelling.
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And I do want to point outthough we haven't described what this effigy looks
like, by the way, whichI think should be noted. On what
this thing looks like. If youdon't mind it, I'll describe it real
quick to the best of my abilities. It is this I want to say,
like about eight inch tall eight inchto a foot tall wooden carving of
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a female. And it has alittle noose around its neck as well as
multiple nails driven into its eyes.So it looks very it doesn't. Yeah,
I was I was gonna say,it's not something super complex, it's
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very simple. It's very I wantto say, not trying to bury the
lead here, but it's something thatwould be of its like as David was
describing, I would believe like ifyou found something like this in a Slavic
you know, I don't want tosay like burial mound or something, but
something to where like archaeologists would discoverthis in like an old settlement or something.
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It's it's enough in line with thatthat it's believable in that point once
you find that out later. Butlike I said it's creepy too, because
it's not something i'd want to justhave hanging out around my house. The
noose and the nails are separate.They were added to it. We should
say they weren't carved up, butthat was the But that was something that
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could have been what was it ifI got it correctly, that was them,
not them as in the New Kirks. But whoever did was binding,
yeah, something into this effigy,into this object. So I just wanted
to give a quick description for peoplewho might not watch this or or wanted
to see how accurate we could describeit. And we'll put a picture up
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in the show notes where I willat least I can't speak for these jabrons,
but I'll put one up. I'llcopy and paste from Derek, so
I will have it up as well. Share the link there you get,
David, I want to know whatyou thought about the ESDA method. I
agree with you guys how it was. It's compelling to watch. I can't
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get there personally with believing that itworks or you know, does anything.
I think I would be more impressedby it if the questioners and the person
doing it were in two separate roomswhere they couldn't hear. And I know
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that the people who use it onthat we've seen have soundproofing headphones and all
that stuff, But personally, Iwould put more stock in it if they
were separate. Now I don't knowthe rules of ghostdom where if you're in
a different room with the object,will it even work if the spirit box
is in a different room. Butit's like spectrum Wi Fi. It only
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goes through one wall and that's it. But drywall just eats up the Esti's
method. So yeah, I IBut I will say that in this and
in Hellure, to be honest,the narrative and the storytelling of it is
very compelling and gets creepy real fast. Yeah yeah, I'll tell you what
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my issue is with it, andit's the the manipulation of it by the
spirits, I guess. So thething is, it's just a regular radio
and it's programmed to skip every station. I don't know how many stations are.
It goes from eighty nine to oneoh five or something like that on
the FM scale, and just atevery quarter of a second, half of
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a second, it'll hit that channeland whatever's there just goes. So for
me in the back of my head, they're just hearing or we're all just
hearing, you know, radio DJsaying half a phrase and then somebody else
is another half a phrase and youput it together. Now I see why
people pull words out of this.Where I'm having an issue is where how
does the ghost manipulate what's going tobe on the radio? Because we already
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know it skips in order. Itdoesn't just skip around randomly. It skips
in order eighty nine, nine,ninety point one, ninety point two.
It just skips all the way throughand then loops back around. So there's
no manipulation to be had unless theycan go to the radio station and force
a DJ to say a certain phrase. It just doesn't pan out for me.
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And I understand people's enthusiasm because youget the results. There's actually something
there for you to hear. ButI just have a hard time getting around
that. I haven't spent enough timearound it or done enough research you know
about it. But for me,that was one of the least believable parts
of the film. But like Isaid, that session, there were so
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many things that lined up. Itwas in my head. It almost has
to me. Two things like theyknow what's going on. It's scripted out,
which it didn't seem like that's whatit was, or there was some
sort of strange communication going on there. That's literally what it seemed like.
And I again, I'm still skeptical, so in the back of my head
like there's no way this works,but that's how it seemed. I highly
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encourage people to check that scene out, because I mean it was just back
and forth, just like a regularconversation, and to the point where I
forgot that Dana had headphones on andcouldn't hear what was going on, and
it was just it was so fluidand so quick back and forth. I'm
like, oh, this is itcaught my attention. I guess the best
way to say that I would bevery interested to try that for myself,
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to try that method. Yeah.Now, I I think that they would
say there might be a component toit of sensitivity, that it works better
with people who might be sensitive toother worldly things, and I don't think
I would fall into that category,but I would be willing to try it
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and see how it goes. Soundslike another special episode for us coming up.
Yay, just radio static for awhole hour. So my question to
you two is this is what Iwas going to ask. So Derek did
not hit my question. But Iguess at the at the base of this
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whole thing is how much stocked youtwo? Not from this instance. I
mean, if you want to takethis instance, sure put in cursed objects
or possessed objects. Hmm, WellI'll start. I actually have a quick
little story I used to go becauseI want to go with David. First,
David, let me know what.I used to work in an office
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down in LA and there was likeforty people in that office or something,
and it was we made films,and we made some pretty big films.
So there was a lot of moneycoming in and out. Didn't come to
me, but it went to somebody. So there were a lot of gifts
that were given out, especially thistime of year, I mean box after
box. And when I first startedworking, there was a pa in.
My job was to deliver all theseboxes and one of them came from a
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foreign client. We did foreign salesthere. I don't even know what country
it came from, somewhere in Asiaand they sent I'm going to show you
guys, and I'll post pictures ofthis as well, but they sent this
little guy and it's just like thisah hack, no sculpting wizard looking guy
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with a huge hat on. Nowwhen you pull his hat, it's a
knife. There's a knife his hat. So anyway, this thing passed around
twenty different offices. Nobody went.They were terrified of this thing. Everybody
was trying to get rid of it. And I found it in the trash
and I'm like, this is goinghome with me. So I took the
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oat of the mailroom trash and Istill have it, like ten years later
or whatever. I don't have aclue where this thing came from. It.
There's nothing written on it. It'sjust this weird looking little wizard with
like some fake hair. It's probablyreal hair, but hair sticking out.
And then when you pull on hishead, he becomes a knife, like
a letter opener or something. Soanyway, that's my brush with a cursed
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object that has n't well. I'vehad really bad luck to pass five or
six years, so maybe it doesbring bad luck, but uh, that's
my brush with cursed objects. AndI have a handful of listeners that say
they're gonna send me something, butI've yet to receive it, And Sarah's
real happy about that because she gotmad that I was willing to accept any
haunted objects. She's like, notin my house, but put out in
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the recording shed. Well, I'min the bay, but I can do
whatever I want down here. Thisis my layer. That's why he's doing
here and not upstairs. David,what about you. I don't put much
stock in cursed objects. I Ithe closest I think I could come to
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that is people that are cursed justpeople that have bad luck. They're they're
clumsy, they break stuff or stuffbreaks around them, stuff doesn't work.
They they find things missing a lot, like there are people that I've observed
that have had because you just described, I don't know, how's your microwave
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doing. That's everything else is brokenthe microwave, your computer, Uh,
you have issues with so yeah,so it's almost late to this recording because
it would not start up. Andthat's you know, something that that has
been happening lately. But you know, the the objects and stuff I you'd
have to to reproduce a lot infront of me to to get stuff to
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to get me to believe this stuff. So for example, if you if
you have a voodoo doll something likethat, or or a like some an
object from like ben In or WestAfrica. They they would often drive nails
into stuff for a variety of reasons. I don't think it was always negative,
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but because it looked scary, right, that's what it looks. It
looks crazy, but it's but it'sa way I'm I'm trying to remember exactly
what, because I've done a coupleof episodes on that, and it was
it was a way too oh boy, try to make something manifest in a
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way. And and I'm not talkinglike summoning a demon or something like that.
I'm just like a thought or ifyou want something to happen, almost
like a like the secret, likehanging it on your refrigerator or something.
In a way, it's sympathetic magic. It's it's a way to for you
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to put your thoughts and once ontoan object and hope that that object then
transfers to whatever real thing you wantit to represent. And that's why you
would get, you know, apiece of hair or fingernail or something to
put in that object to make itbe sympathized with the real thing. So
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if it's a person, you know, you put that stuff in there,
and then it and and then ifyou try to hurt it, it's supposed
to hurt the person. Blah blahblah. That's a sympathetic magic, which
I just I don't put any stock. What about something like that. Are
you familiar with Otsy the ice Man? Yeah? Does that sound familiar for
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well, for listeners that don't knowand justin OTSI was just I mean,
he's a ten thousand year old humanthat was walking to French Alps or the
Italian Alps or I don't know,the Alps somewhere and he was in the
Alps and all the ice is melting. So he was found fifteen twenty years
ago. They chiseled him out.And every person that's come in contact with
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this mummy, this freeze dried guyhas died or had something really bad happened
to them. And there's several deaths, I mean, like a dozen I
think associated with him. The guythat found him, the guy that dug
him out, the guy that drovethe truck, the guy at the museum.
I'm making these up. I don'tknow what it actually is. I
can't I'm not that good. Butthere was a lot of people associated with
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it. So I'm curious, like, what do you think of that where
there's there is like a track recordif you believe what's being told at least
well in the same vein. Thatsounds a lot like the tut and Common.
Yeah, I was gonna say,I was like the Mummy, Yeah,
Diamond, James Dean's little bastard.But there's a bunch of them.
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But the thing I was going tofollow up with this after I said my
piece, which actually he's into Derek'sthing is it's is do you feel like
this is something if you're investing inthe mythology of it, it makes it
stronger. Then it makes you kindof put the pieces together for it to
make it real. If if youget what I'm saying, you guys get
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what I'm saying with this is thatyou're making it real by putting emphasis on
it. Yes, Yeah, Tulpaessentially is yeah, the philosophy you're talking
about or or for you know,psychology, it's kind of a placebo.
It would be. It would bekind of a real time confirmation bias type
of thing. Yeah, goodenough foryou. Yeah, Like I said,
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that's kind of some elements I gotfrom this, because I would have loved
to have seen them bring somebody inthey had nothing to do with this,
no clue what was going on,and see how they reacted to it,
like giving them nothing to go offof, because, like I said,
I'm somebody that doesn't super believe instuff like this. So if you handed
me this dog, be like,yeah, that's a weird sorry this FGMYA,
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that's weird. But I wouldn't havelike because the guy when he was
like pulling the nails out at theend, was like physically being affected by
it to where he was like gettingexhausted from it and getting like I think
he was crying at one point.But I'm like, I wonder what happened
if you just grab some random personoff the street and told him to do
it, if it affected them whohas no clue, I'd put a huge
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emphasis on. Okay, I'm startingto believe this now because that person has
no parameter for it. Yeah.So but if you're somebody who believes in
it and feeds into it, maybeenergy you give it gives that energy back.
Just something I kind of thought ofwhile watching this. To go back
real quick to Derek's question about otsyand stuff, the Curse of the Mummy
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from Howard Carter opening the tomb fortwot in Common in twenty two. There
was a legend about nineteen twenty two. We buy that now, Yeah,
there was a legend that grew outof that about a bunch of people involved
or secondarily or tertiarily involved with thisopening of this tomb that met an untimely
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end after that happened, and well, I did an episode on it back
in the day, and it turnsout that everybody. It sounds crazy when
you're like, yeah, five peopledied after the tomb was open, but
it was like five people over overlike a decade or more, and they
were all like there was like,oh, somebody died in their sleep,
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Oh, somebody contracted malaria, someyou know, oh a bird you know
got sick and died or something.It was like, there's nothing actually to
this that isn't straight up coincidence.Yeah, but when you say five people
died after this tomb was opened,I mean we could now say like billions
of people have died, you know, or whatever. I don't feel it's
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sort of the Bermuda triangle effect,where you know, it sounds crazy when
you list all the things, butif you list the things just outside the
triangle's the exact same. I mean, it's it's just how the ocean is.
So yeah, that's that's the parallelI'm drawing. Huh. I said,
just just just something I pulled fromthis on the whole, Like like
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if you brought me in, didn'tset me up for any of this stuff,
didn't prime me for it, satme in a room with it,
if I get the same responses fromit, see, that's you're you're thinking
correctly, justin because that's a doubleblind test. That's scientific method. That's
what needs to happen with with thatkind of stuff. Yeah, but that
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I said that, that's just thething I said. I find it interesting
seeing all these but I said Iwould just I'd love to see somebody who's
not primed for it. Like wecan do this with a lot of other
examples like the Martha lights or differentand things that are supposed to just occur,
to see if someone who's not primedfor or just just going into a
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haunted house, Like if you don'tprime somebody for it and they start responding
like someone prime for it, thatgives me the intention of I'm believing this,
But I said, it's nothing againstthe New Kirks, because everybody in
this was primed to think of thisthing as some cursed object, and the
whole like water smell, the wholelike water appearing places. That is weird.
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Yeah, but I said, it'skind of one of those things to
where I would want to experience thatmyself. Like if I got handed this
thing and then all of a suddenI got water footprints around my house,
I'd be like, Huh, that'snew. That's how you do, that's
how you drink. Huh, that'snew. Normally they're flaming footsteps. Well,
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you know, it's a piggyback onwhat you're saying a little bit here,
justin every person's different, And asDavid touched on earlier, some people
claim to have sensitivities. And I'mnot going to sit here and say I
believe, but I've seen some stuffthat really makes me question, and I've
heard some things that really make mequestion. If I was there in the
room and saw this unfold, I'dprobably believe. But because it came secondhand
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or came off the Internet or whatever, there's that separation that gives me a
hard time. The point being thatyou could show this thing to one hundred
people and fifty of them could beaffected by the other fifty just they're not
open to that sort of thing,So you could David's right, double blinded.
It means the perfect test to take. But if you start getting complicated
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and digging into the fine details ofthe human psyche, do some people have
the abilities? And those are thepeople that connect to these things. So
I guess you then have to askhave you ever had like a psychic experience?
Have you ever guessed the lottery numbersor anything weird like that? I
could see it getting complicated pretty quick. I wouldn't even go that far.
I just have somebody just come inand just experience like because then if you're
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like I said, I mean,I don't want to go back to the
example of me with with the spiritbox. But I said, sitting there
overhearing like the jumbled stuff and havinghearing people y'all, oh man, it
just said this, and I'm sittingthere like it just sounds like you're flying
through radio stations. Like. LikeI said, it wasn't something I was
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willing to put belief in, somaybe I wasn't going to get belief out
of it. Now speaking of likecursed objects and stuff, I will point
out this, and I will onehundred percent not deny this. I will
point I'm pointing this out free ofeverything I said. I'm skeptical on some
stuff. But there was a timeframewhen we had our old me me and
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my wife had our old car,and it was having issues one of the
computers in the house, like therewas like a ton of mechanical issues going
going on it like one time inthe house and for some reason not trying
to plug plug. But I waslistening to the end of the fray and
they were talking about gremlins and someonesaid like their their mother said like or
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it was something talking about gremlins andlike putting out a bowl of milk out
I've heard that. And I satthere and I was like, you know,
what, what's the harm in doingthis? Like, what is the
harm in me taking a bit ofmilk, putting it outside on the porch
bybe where all this stuff is happeningand seeing if it goes away, you're
going to attract the dunes, iswhat's going to happen. That's what I
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was gonna say, you just hadthe raccoons. I have a raccoon problem
right now, so you don't wantit. They're here all. Oh no,
this this this was years ago.And like I said, I did
it. Did it? Raccoons didexactly before they were a threat, back
before the raccoon invasion of six.But but no, it's it's just something
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to where it's like, did Ibelieve that that's what was causing all this
stuff? No? But I waslike, what's the harm in trying this?
Sure? Like if I'm wrong,eh, if I'm right, maybe
I get rid of these weird thingsthat are bothering me. Like I said,
didn't work out. No, thatthat that van abandoned dustin Pennsylvania like
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a few months later. So butit worked fine up until that point.
So maybe it was just I hadto keep it in the right state.
But like I said, this thiswhole thing is interesting, and I think
and I said, the biggest thingI took away from this is belief in
the object, belief in its causingthis or it's doing this. And I
said, that's the thing is Ifeel like everyone in this was prime for
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which is great. But I said, as someone skeptical. I'm very like,
eh when I've had the same responsewith this. So so another thing
I wanted to ask you guys was, you know, we talk about directors
and that kind of thing, andthis one was director directed by Kyle Jeez
and this one was directed by CarlPfeiffer, who did the Heller serieses because
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there were two of them. Whatdid you guys think of that? You
know, the aesthetics of the film, like the way it was composed,
you know all that, the thetechnical details of filmmaking. I thought it
was well done. Yeah, Imean he took the green filter off from
Hellier, so I said, Ithought it was shot very well. It
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was something to where like I said, Derek said that going to the Catskills
looks beautiful and everything. So itdefinitely emphasized like the atmosphere of a lot
of areas they were in. Soit does set set an atmosphere, I
would I'll say that for sure,Like it definitely has a vibe to it.
Or you're you're going on this ridewith them, and it's not hard
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to put yourself in their shoes whenyou're experiencing all this stuff. They did
a really good job of conveying allthat. There's a lot of slow motion.
But what I what I loved aboutthere were there were quite a few
moments that were kind of hair standingup on your neck inducing. Yeah.
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I had to look behind me acouple of times just to be like,
I'm not sure nobody's here with me. Like they they did a great job
of telling stories about how this thingwas affecting people, and how it was
affecting them in their houses and whatwas going on, and it got so
creepy in a couple of parts.I really appreciated that. This doesn't have
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anything to do with the directing.But something they did in the film that
I did appreciate was they were tryingto replicate the carving. I touched on
this a little bit earlier, butthey they did a three D scan and
tried to three D print it,and then eventually they end up just doing
a silicon silicon mold of the effigyitself. I love that, you know,
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I love that preservation. Whether it'scursed or not, this is part
of paranormal history now. So Ilove the fact that even though it's gone
and I don't want to give awaywhere it went, but it's gone,
it still exists in a way,you know, they still have for the
most part, it's still here sopeople can lay eyes on it. That
kind of thing, because a lotof times we lose these pieces and once
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they're gone, they're gone. Andyou hear old timers talk about all this
big Foot cast print that I hadwas the perfect print, could have proved
big Foot existed. But it's brokenand gone now. So with with this
preservation method, that stuff can cancontinue on. So I do appreciate that.
I'm not going to talk about howthey did that because I think the
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three D printing also had its ownlittle interesting twist with it too. Yeah
that that that was a moment thatmade an eyebrow on my head to shoot
up real quick. So I waslike, that's weird. Yeah, that
was a fun part. So yeah, well, like I said, it's
definitely interesting. Oh I was aboutto do my final thoughts, I was
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like, nope, saving it,Well, we can do that. I
mean I think we could probably youguys, cool, if you're wrapping it
up, do you want to segueinto that? Justin sure? After watching
I feel like, hell, youermore pulled me in quicker on the premise
of what it was. This hadI think a lot more interesting stuff with
developments they came across as the asit progressed, Like like I said,
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you tell me there's a haunted object, and you don't have me pulled in
yet you build on that with certainaspects later and I get interested. Much
like David, I am someone whois a connoisseur of ancient mythology and stuff
like that. So it definitely ranga bell with me at when they got
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to that point with it. LikeI said, it pulled me in then
kept me in. Hell, you'rewhat I said. It had me from
the get go of wait, weirdgobbling things out in the world. It's
oh man. So, like Isaid, it's definitely something that I would
recommend if you're well, hey,if you're listening to any of the three
podcasts that we mainly host are theother twenty that David host, definitely check
(44:15):
it out. I mean, it'sit's definitely worth I mean a rent,
and I mean if you enjoyed Hellierthis, this definitely has a lot of
that same weirdness in it. Icut the Hellier theme in there a few
times. Oh this song, someoneI had a good ear. I do
enjoy the hell your theme. Thatis something I did enjoy a lot.
(44:37):
I guess, I'll guess, I'lljump in here. It's very digestible.
It's an hour and thirty six minutesor something like that, so it's not
like Hellier where it's going to takeup a day's worth of your time to
get through all this. This isvery quick and clean, and there's resolution,
or somewhat of a resolution. Ihighly recommend it. Keep your skeptical
(44:58):
glasses on, of course, butit's an entertaining ride, so I had
a good time watching it. Yeah, I agree with you guys. It's
I appreciate that they did this ina film as opposed to like six episodes
or something. I think it's cleanerthat way. They get to the point
you go on the journey with them. There's a resolution, there's a little
(45:21):
bit of an epilogue. I thinkit's again shot really well. I never
was bothered by any of the cinematography, any of the editing. Everything worked
well for it. So I thinkkudos to Greg and Dana for putting this
together. It was a very smooth, very smooth film. Well, gentlemen,
(45:44):
thank you both for assembling here thisevening to go over this film.
A lot of people right in sayingwe had to do this, so I
kind of dust it off the oldround table mic and it's the same mic
I use every week, but Idusted it off anyway, and here we
are. So thank you guys forstopping by, and thank everyone for listening,
and of course go check out thisfilm. I don't know where you
(46:06):
guys found that. I found iton Apple, the Apple app. I
don't know what they think it's onPrime, So I found it on Prime.
Okay, well there you go.I think it was like four bucks
to rent or something, and itwas definitely worth worth the money. Justin
you start for real this time.Tell everybody where they can find you and
anything you got going on. Youcan of course find Zignas podcasts or ever
(46:28):
you find Grace podcast. That's ceng this. We do pop culture stuff
every week and sometimes the pair ofNormal slips in there into that pop culture
because well it's part of that everything. So definitely check out the Zingnis podcast.
You can check out a Blurry photoswherever you get podcasts. I'll be
coming back with some episodes. I'mjust finishing the writing of one right now,
(46:52):
got a couple in the bag,so I'll be not long absent much
more that that all made sense grammatically. You can also check out Hysteria fifty
one if you'd like a little comedywith your paranormal Quiz Quiz Bang Bang Trivia
(47:12):
and Five Minute Frights is a narrativestory podcast. That's where all the animatronics
come to life and take you outright. It's it's the it's exactly that.
There's a several games. They justmade a movie of it. There
was a better movie that was madea couple of years ago with a different
name, but that might be ournext movie. We do five nights of
(47:36):
Ready. Well. You can findMonsters among us every Thursday. Wherever you
get fined podcasts and you get badpodcasts, we're all in the same place.
I got nothing else going on.David Denies film. We don't have
a date yet, but we're workingour asses off trying to find the date.
We think it's gonna be March,So stay tuned and we'll try to
get that date. Now that we'vesaid that, it'll be'll yeah, because
(48:00):
they tell here's what happens. Theytell us a date, we tell you
guys, and then next time wetalk to him like, oh, we
didn't say that it's this date,and then they just keep pushing it forward,
so eventually it will come out,and you know, there's there's a
lot of processing and stuff, sothere's actually a lot of work going on
behind the scenes, so they're notjust twiddling their thumbs anyhow, enough of
(48:20):
that. If you want to seemy little creature, my little carving that
I have, be sure to checkout the show notes. Be sure to
check out the unbinding from Greg andDana Newkirk and thanks again, guys,
had a good time. Also,stay tuned for my new I will not
stay tuned to this, but checkout my new show Five Minutes with Flora.
It's like five Nights at Friday's,but more terrifying always and he's also
(48:45):
an animatronic, right, I can. I every but
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