September 23, 2025 • 28 mins
A left-wing TikTok star decided to brutally mock and criticize Charlie Kirk's widow, Erika Kirk, during the memorial service for her late husband. I break it down in this episode of the Brad vs Everyone podcast. Plus, a crazy conspiracy theory about Erica Kirk spreads among Christians online and an update on the Jimmy Kimmel saga.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know what y'all were expecting. Women can be
some real demons too, They're just not as loud about
it as their yap husbands.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Just when you think Internet discourse can't get more toxic,
a TikTok star decides to mock a grieving widow. We're
going to break this down and so much more on
today's episode of The Brad Versus Everyone podcast, my daily
(00:28):
show where we take on the craziest ideas from across
the Internet, our media, and our politics, all from an
independent perspective. Heads up, guys, there may not be a
show tomorrow as I'm traveling back home to Michigan to
visit some family. But anyway, on today's show, we've got
to talk about some really, really toxic Internet discourse. I
(00:49):
know day that ends and why over here, but I
think it's important to reckon with kind of just how
hateful and how toxic some people are. Some people have
prominent on the Internet, especially on the TikTok app. And
this all comes in the context of the memorial service
that was held for Charlie Kirk over the weekend and
(01:11):
the truly I covered it in a brief video on
my channel A couple of days ago, but the truly
heart just like heart wrenching and beautiful moment where Erica Kirk,
Charlie Kirk's widow, spoke about how she is finding it
within herself to forgive the man who killed her husband
and deprived her children of their father. And what I
(01:33):
thought was like a really beautiful testament to the absolute
best of Christian teaching and of like conservative philosophy about
loving your enemies and turning the cheek and of all
this stuff. Here's that moment in case you somehow missed it.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
On the Cross, our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for
they not know what they do.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That man, that young man, I forgive him.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Now, this was so beautiful a moment from Erica Kirk
that it was really kind of haralded and celebrated across
the political spectrum, not just by Republicans or conservatives or
mega types or Charlie Kirk fans, but kind of everyone
was able to come together and say, like, wow, that
was really beautiful. That was inspiring. Even on MSNBC, they
(02:42):
ranted and raved about this moment from Erica Kirk and
kind of cheered her on, which doesn't happen much on
that network. But here's a clip. Take a listen.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
One week after her husband's passing, she went in front
of a crowd of forty to fifty people, people watching
all over the world, and she delivered remarks which she
forgave the assass that shot her husband. It was just
a remarkable moment because in so many ways, where America
stands in twenty twenty five is how do we respond
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going forward? And the woman that just lost her husband
stood there in front of the world and said, I forgive.
And because her Christian faith teaches her to love your
enemy and not hate your enemy, and to love those
that persecute you.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So basically across the political spectrum, people were able to
come together and say that, like Erica Kirk's part at
least was really beautiful and moving, except not on social media,
where the most toxic and unhappy people spend their days
viewing bile. And that today is going to largely focus
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on one woman named Samaya, who is a TikTok influencer
with nearly a quarter million followers on that app, who
spent the memorial service while it was going on actively
trolling and posting videos bashing Erica Kirk. The grieving widow.
(04:10):
I'm not kidding. That's what she did. You know, the
whole idea of oh, if you don't have anything nice
to say, just don't say anything at all. Yeah, she
really said nah to that and just went went off
on Erica Kirk during the memorial service for her husband
who was just killed. You can't make this up, but
we're gonna watch her video that's going viral and sparking
(04:32):
so much backlash now because I think we got to
grapple with this sentiment, as gross as it is, let's
take a listen.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
As expected, Charlie Kirk's wife, who everyone was feeling so sullyful.
Oh my god, I don't feel bad for him, but
I feel bad for her. Yeah, she's also an incredibly
right wing person who's using this moment.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Stop. Okay, I'm gonna let her finish. But you're mocking
the people who foc oh showy for what for the
grieving widow? For the person whose husband was just murdered
in an act of terrorism? Yeah, why wouldn't you feel sorry?
You have to be a bad person to not feel
(05:13):
sorry for her, By the way, like the problem is
you, you're the bad guy. It is crazy to me, and
she's like, oh, she's mocking the other woke people on
TikTok who are quite as unhinged as her, who say,
we don't feel bad for Charlie, but we feel bad
for his wife. Even that's crazy. You should, in fact
feel bad for people who get murdered in cold blood,
even if they have political views you don't like. But like,
(05:35):
she's belittling those people for having too much compassion. That's psychotic.
And then she's mocking them all during literally as the
memorial service was going on, is when she published this video, Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
To push an authoritarian agenda against the left. Are you
all going to realize that the women who marry these
freaks know exactly what situation they're getting into, and the
reason they and that situation is because they want to
be there. Charlie Kirk's wife married Charlie Kirk because she
liked Charlie Kirk's ideas.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's I mean, yeah, probably they have a lot of
shared values. If they're going to be in a relationship,
that's kind of normal, and she's probably proud of her
husband's life work. Even if they don't maybe agree on everything,
they probably broadly agree what is the point of that. Yes,
and so because Charlie was a conservative, then his wife
was as well. Therefore you shouldn't feel bad about murder
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about families being destroyed by terrorism. Like, that's not how
normal people process thinking and emotions, You know that, right?
Like it's giving woke sociopath Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's literally simple, as women too are capable of making
free decisions of who to associate with, and you can
judge them based on those decisions. If a woman is
a happy wife to a terrible man, it's probably because
she too is a terrible person.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I obviously do not think either Charlie Kirk or Erica
Kirk are terrible people. There are parts of Charlie Kirk's
legacy I really appreciate, respect there are other parts I don't.
And I was very critical of him while he was
still with us and disagree with him on many issues.
But I just can't relate to this, to this idea
that while somebody who was just murdered in enact of
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political terrorism, while their memorial service is ongoing, I'm gonna
get on camera and say how terrible they are and
how terrible their frickin' wife is too. I'm trying to think.
There is literally no one even somebody who I think
is like so harmful and so toxic in our politics,
where if they were to die in this fashion, I
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would ever do that. It's you can always just not
say anything, you know, you don't have to praise someone
who you hated who died. You can just like not speak.
I feel like some of these TikTokers don't realize that
not speaking is an option and one they should utilize
more frequently. It's just so classless and disgusting to me.
(08:12):
But this kind of sentiment, the whole comments on this
video is just people yes, queening her for this insane
and hateful take.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Y'all do this weird shit with Usha Vance as well?
Oh my god, I bet she feels so awkward knowing
that her husband is racist against Indians and people of color.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I have many critiques of JD. Vance. I don't think
he's racist against Indians. He is married to an Indian
woman and had an Indian wedding. Like they really do
just be throwing shit around. Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I think she probably doesn't why because given who she married,
she's probably racist too.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So now because she married him, she must be a
self hating Indian racist. She couldn't possibly just love someone
and then he is conservative, Like, no, that couldn't enter
her mind. She must be a self hating racist drawn
to an anti Indian racial extremist because of her own
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self hate. I don't know. Oh my gosh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Know what y'all were expecting. Women can be some real
demons too, they're just not as loud about it as
their yap orrass husbands.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So I'm going to go out on a limb and
say that Erica Kirk is not the demon. You the
one trashing a woman mourning her husband as her memorial
service is ongoing for TikTok klout and to I don't know,
rile up people on the internet, you might be the demon, babe, actually,
because everything about you is giving, demonic and sociopathic. Actually,
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it's really really grotesque stuff. And it's not even like
this woman is just and I say just, even though
it's horrific in its own right, just trolling Charlie Kirk's
widow during the memorial service for her slay and husband.
She's also pretty actively and pretty explicitly saying that she
supports political violence and therefore encouraging more. Let's listen to
(10:13):
another video from this lovely woman, But first, do make
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another video from this Somio woman where she pretty explicitly
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endorses political violence or suggests that it's fine in some contexts.
Let's listen.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Also, please don't give me that bullshit about oh, no
one should face violence for their political beliefs. You don't believe.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That, uh? I actually do?
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I do believe that I don't believe that people should
face violence for their beliefs or opinions or words, because
I don't believe in terrorism, and I do believe in
free speech. But apparently that's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I especially don't want to hear you say it if
you're an American and you don't despise everything about the
way this country exists.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
No, it's because I'm an American that I love free
speech and don't believe in political terrorism. This woman is
absolutely deranged.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The people that are detained by Ice, they are facing
violence because their belief in the political concept that human
beings should be able to exercise freedom of movement.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
What guys, she actually just suggested that it is somehow
in consistent to be against murdering someone for their words,
like what happened to Charlie Kirk. If you believe in
countries existing, having borders and removing people who enter the
country illegally, those aren't the same thing. I'm sorry, But
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if you're being deported because you don't have legal documentation
to be in a country, you're not being deported for
your opinions. You're being sent back to the place where
you're a citizen's a citizen enough unless you literally just
believe in anarchy utopia, open borders, everyone can go wherever
they want, which she probably does because she's at de Lulu.
(12:36):
That's just a basic aspect of civilization that you are
also like, those people aren't being freaking killed. They're being deported,
They're being sent to the countries that they're from. How
you can compare that to people being murdered in cold
blood over speech is wild to me, absolutely wild.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
When the state says and clears out a homeless encampment,
that is people facing violence for the belief that they
deserve to exist and be alive, despite the fact that
capitalism has rejected them.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Oh my god, capitalism has rejected them. That is not
why most people are homeless.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Bag.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
We can go into a whole discourse and dialogue about that,
but it is not because of the evils of capitalism.
And I'm sorry, but this idea that it is remotely
comparable to assassinating Charlie Kirk because you don't like his
words for the police to remove homeless people or really
(13:34):
any people who are trespassing on public property, those things
aren't the same. I mean, those homeless people First off, again,
they're not being killed love, they're being relocated because they're
somewhere they're not allowed to be, not allowed to build
your home on a public park. That's not what a
public park is for. You don't own that property. And
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they're still being allowed to exist. And again, they're not
being targeted for opinions. They're being targeted for illegal actions.
That's kind of a meaningful distinction that appears totally lost
on this young woman. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
People die every single day because instead of funding social services,
having a robust public, free health care, funding, education, funding, housing, no,
all of that money gets funneled into war, the military
and the defense of Israel. That is all political violence.
And the only reason you see what happened to Charlie
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Kirk as worse than what happens every single day in
this country.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is because we're saying and not crazy. That's why we
see spending taxpayer money in ways you or I might
disagree with as different from taking vigilantes shooting people and
killing them in cold blood because of their words versus
(14:58):
you wishing we see and well, by the way, we
already spend so much money on welfare programs, on subsidized
healthcare programs, all this kind of stuff, wishing we spent
more on that and less on our military. Those aren't
the same thing. One of them is murder and one
of them is just political choices being made about how
to spend money. But we're crazy, Oh my gosh, we're
(15:23):
so cooked. The fact that hundreds of thousands of people
on TikTok and on the internet look to this person,
and millions and millions of people get their news and
commentary from influencers very similar to this person. We are
absolutely cooked.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Is because the elites have told you that interpersonal violence
is actually more violent than structural violence. And the only
reason they said that to you is because they are
actually at risk of interpersonal violence and they are scared
shitless of it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Well, no, this idea of structural violence, I don't really
think is a thing. But interpersonal violence is worse than
this structural violence because one of them is violence and
the other one isn't you not getting more free money
is in violence. Someone putting a bullet through your head
(16:11):
is violence? Like, how do we how do I have
to explain that to you?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Either all political violence is on the table or none
of it is. But if you only voice concern when
the only form of violence that the elites are actually
exposed to happens. You are not a serious person.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I will gladly accept the moniker of not a serious person.
If this person is considering themselves a serious person, please
put me on the one hundred and eighty degree opposite
side of whatever side you're on, because you are not
only filled with hate and venom, but you are absolutely deranged,
young woman, deranged and really really full of darkness. It
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makes me very sad and scared for the future of
our country that young people like this have a platform
and have a voice and feel so comfortable just engaging
in this kind of absolute loneacy and evil. What do
you guys think? Let me know in the comments, Make
sure you subscribe, YadA YadA. Yeah, And now we're going
to touch on another story related to Erica Kirk, which
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is we just cannot We're literally not allowed to have
nice things anymore. It's become illegal, like it just as
a society, we can't have a nice moment, we can't
all come together because people always have to make it
weird and they always have to go a little crazy,
a little delulu about stuff. So the Daily Mail is
reporting about this very strange. I guess you would call
(17:33):
it like far right, but it's from kind of far
right crazy people. Conspiracy theory cropping up about Erica Kirk
after the memorial service for her husband, accusing her of
making like satanic hands symbols or something. I'm not kidding,
I'm not making this up. So Daily Mail reports vile
claim about Erica Kirk's hand signal sweeps internet in wake
(17:56):
of Charlie Kirk memorial. They're essentially saying that this hands
she made is like some sort of satanic dog whistle
or communication or whatever. But there is shocker. This will
shock you to hear. This A much simpler explanation for
what is going on here, But here's what people are saying.
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I caught this hand sign from Erica Kirk, which is
a devil slash owl sign people use in dark meetings
and rock on concerts. Why Another person said, why would
she make this hand signal as a professing Christian and
being knowledgeable of these things? Another person wrote, what is
happening Erica Kirk throwing up a Satanic hand symbol to
end off Charlie's funeral? I hope she doesn't realize what
(18:39):
she's doing, but this is definitely suspicious or did you
just miss your medication today, sir Anyway, referring to Kirk
standing next to the President at the moment she made
the signal, a third man said, sorry, I love Trump
and Charlie Kirk, and I don't want to spoil the party.
But why did Erica wait until she was standing with
the most famous man alive in front of the whole world,
at the most significant moment of her life to throw
(19:00):
up the devil horned gesture? The devil hand gesture, which
is also associated with the rock on motions seen at
rock concerts, involves the index and pinky fingers being raised
while the other fingers and thumb are tucked in. Guys,
this story spoke to me because it's like another entry
in the never ending series of It's not that deep,
(19:24):
and like people over analyzing and micro analyzing the most
minute things and reading into them these deep and profound
and doomsday level meanings that were never intended. So the
same way that there's a whole ass genre of people
on the Internet who think that Taylor Swift is secretly
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a lesbian and has been dropping tiny little clues in
her stories, in her songs this whole time, that they're
totally deranged. If you're watching Erica Kirk, a devout Christian
more in her husband at a massive televised memorial service,
and you think she's secretly doing hand signals to the devil,
(20:06):
you're probably reading too deep into it. So I kind
of assumed this was BS. But then it became quite
clear reading the rewarding about this from the Daily Mail
and others, that what she did was a hand signal
or in sign language, means I love you. That's it,
That's what it is. This influencer that I follow, a
(20:27):
conservative named Savannah. She felt the need to clear up
this misinformation for her following. Here's her video. Take a
look at this.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Good morning, everybody. I was up bright and early this
morning on Newsmax to reflect on the powerful, moving, beautiful
service for Charlie Kirk. I am dumbfounded by the amount
of messages and comments that I woke up to people
talking about this photo. People have actually been asking me
(20:58):
if I agree or believe that this hand symbol that
Eric's doing in this photo is associated with demonic powers
of the devil. Are you guys slow? This is the
universal sign for I love you In American sign language,
it's an I an L, I love you. We just
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watched a widow who serves the one True God, the
Lord Jesus Christ, bravely and flawlessly address the nation after
watching her husband be brutally assassinated in the public eye,
and you guys are coming up with conspiracy theories that
she is holding up a demonic symbol after preaching the
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gospel for what twenty minutes. I usually don't get this frustrated,
but actually, what is wrong with you people? Educate yourselves,
educate yourselves.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So I think it's really sad that this even needs
to be said. But Erica Kirk did not, in fact
do a demonic hand symbol. You just have too much
free time and are too brain rotted by the Internet
and are too prone to conspiracy theorizing like some of y'all.
And it's not just a left wing thing. We talk
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a lot about the left because they dominate a lot
of Internet spaces. There are some crazies doing their craziness,
doing their big one on the Internet from the right
wing perspective as well, and we all just desperately need
to come together and log off. That's my take, honestly.
So you guys, let me know what you think. Have
you seen this conspiracy theory going around on the internet.
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Let me know in the comments. Make sure you subscribe,
YadA YadA. Yeah. And one final thing I want to
talk about, guys, is a lot of you have seen
the stance that I've taken on the Jimmy Kimmel issue
of his show being suspended by ABC slash Disney because
of the backlash to what he said where he implied
that the Charlie kirkshooter was really maga and mega was
just a denial. And I called out the FCC chair
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Brendan Carr, who works for the Trump administration, for his
comments where he suggested that they needed to take action
on Kimmel and they could do it the easy way
or the hard way and threaten the licenses the FCC
issued licenses of ABC's A member stations, and a lot
of people, including in my debate with Will Kine on
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Fox News, were just essentially arguing that, like, hey, this
wasn't a factor. Like the FCC chair, Yeah, he said that,
but this was just a private business decision. And my
position all along was we don't really know, but I'm
sure it had. I suspect it had some role and
then that regardless, it's really inappropriate. Now the news is
it just broke last night that ABC is actually going
(23:44):
to bring Kimmel back potentially, although like now, they're facing
a revolt from Sinclair and some of the owners of
the local stations that don't want to put him back
on air. Anyway, here's the reporting about this that he
is kind of potentially making a comeback so soon, let's.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Watch Disney is bringing him back on the air tomorrow.
ABC says in a statement that we made the decision
last week. This has bend production to avoid further inflaming
a tense situation at an emotional moment. But now, after
having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, the ABC says, we've reached
the decision to return the show on Tuesday. But Kim's
(24:21):
getting back to work.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Wow, Brian, that is significant, especially given that some of
the players outside of Disney in a corporate setting like
Nextstar in Sinclair, they essentially have deals that allowed them
to preempt his show, and that's part of the reason
that it was suspended. Do we know how they might
react to this we.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Don't, and that becomes a big question. Now, will these
local station affiliates choose to air Jimmy kim alive or
will they continue to protest the comedian even though the
network is bringing him back nationwide. ABC does can't lead
chastise Kimmel in this statement. The statement says, quote the
decision to suspendant, we made it because we felt some
(25:06):
of the comments were ill timed and thus insensitive. So
they're very gently saying they disagreed with Kimmel last week,
but obviously they're bringing it back as of tomorrow.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
And we don't know obviously all of the considerations that
went into this, Brian, but I would say leaders obviously
at ABC and Disney have had the benefit of a
few days of feedback.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Yes, including from Disney employees who were very disturbed, including
from Hollywood stars and showrunners, the kind of people's Disney
wants to work with, and from free speech groups, politicians,
even some Republican politicians like Jack Cruz. We know the
condemnation of Disney has been widespread. Now, what we don't
know yet is what the counter reaction will be from
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President Trump and his allies.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So this story about the return of Kimmel has really
prompted a lot more discussion and dialogue, and a bunch
of people have tagged me and essentially said something to
the effect of Haha, Brad Palembo, you were wrong. See
it really was just a business decision, and now they're
bringing it back. It wasn't due to FCC pressure. And
while I'm never opposed to admitting when I'm wrong, I
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don't really understand this pushback or this perspective. Let me explain.
So if it was a business decision purely and it
wasn't based on the FCC threats or the political element here,
what's changed about the business dynamic. If they just canceled
Kimmel because he was losing the money and his ratings
were bad, as people said, then why would they have
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reversed that decision a few days later? None of those
factors would have changed. What I suspect happened is that
they were initially cowed by the FCC threats and the
massive backlash and caved to it, but then got so
much backlash from inside their own company and from how
and from the elite sphere that they work with closely
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that they were like, no, oh, shoot, we can't do this.
We actually are going to take a stand on this
and resist the Trump administration's pressure and the backlash. I
don't really think this tells us that much that they're
trying to bring him back tells us totally what went down.
Now in the statement, they say they took him off
air because his statement was offensive or whatever, but there's
actually extensive reporting that ABC executives had no issue with
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what he said. I don't really think you can just
take at face value the claims they're making in a
pr statement, like clearly that's strategic, it's not just putting
all their cards on the table. But regardless, and I
made this point to Will Kin on Fox and our debate,
I've never claimed to know what the ultimate decision was
happening inside ABC, and if the FCC chairs were threats
(27:47):
were a big factor or not. I do suspect that
they were at least a significant role, But regardless, my
point has always just been that it's inappropriate for the
Trump administration to act like this regardless. So I don't
really understand the attempted like gotchas and dunks on me
over this now development where they're bringing Kimmel back. But
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I don't know. Maybe you guys do see this as
somehow de monking my whole point. I don't, but I'm
always open to disagreement and push back from the audience.
Let me know what you think in the comments below.
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till Thursday, actually because I am traveling tomorrow, but we'll
talk again real soon, and I can't wait.
I don't know what y'all were expecting. Women can be
some real demons too, They're just not as loud about
it as their yap husbands.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Just when you think Internet discourse can't get more toxic,
a TikTok star decides to mock a grieving widow. We're
going to break this down and so much more on
today's episode of The Brad Versus Everyone podcast, my daily
(00:28):
show where we take on the craziest ideas from across
the Internet, our media, and our politics, all from an
independent perspective. Heads up, guys, there may not be a
show tomorrow as I'm traveling back home to Michigan to
visit some family. But anyway, on today's show, we've got
to talk about some really, really toxic Internet discourse. I
(00:49):
know day that ends and why over here, but I
think it's important to reckon with kind of just how
hateful and how toxic some people are. Some people have
prominent on the Internet, especially on the TikTok app. And
this all comes in the context of the memorial service
that was held for Charlie Kirk over the weekend and
(01:11):
the truly I covered it in a brief video on
my channel A couple of days ago, but the truly
heart just like heart wrenching and beautiful moment where Erica Kirk,
Charlie Kirk's widow, spoke about how she is finding it
within herself to forgive the man who killed her husband
and deprived her children of their father. And what I
(01:33):
thought was like a really beautiful testament to the absolute
best of Christian teaching and of like conservative philosophy about
loving your enemies and turning the cheek and of all
this stuff. Here's that moment in case you somehow missed it.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
On the Cross, our Savior said, Father, forgive them, for
they not know what they do.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
That man, that young man, I forgive him.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Now, this was so beautiful a moment from Erica Kirk
that it was really kind of haralded and celebrated across
the political spectrum, not just by Republicans or conservatives or
mega types or Charlie Kirk fans, but kind of everyone
was able to come together and say, like, wow, that
was really beautiful. That was inspiring. Even on MSNBC, they
(02:42):
ranted and raved about this moment from Erica Kirk and
kind of cheered her on, which doesn't happen much on
that network. But here's a clip. Take a listen.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
One week after her husband's passing, she went in front
of a crowd of forty to fifty people, people watching
all over the world, and she delivered remarks which she
forgave the assass that shot her husband. It was just
a remarkable moment because in so many ways, where America
stands in twenty twenty five is how do we respond
(03:12):
going forward? And the woman that just lost her husband
stood there in front of the world and said, I forgive.
And because her Christian faith teaches her to love your
enemy and not hate your enemy, and to love those
that persecute you.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So basically across the political spectrum, people were able to
come together and say that, like Erica Kirk's part at
least was really beautiful and moving, except not on social media,
where the most toxic and unhappy people spend their days
viewing bile. And that today is going to largely focus
(03:50):
on one woman named Samaya, who is a TikTok influencer
with nearly a quarter million followers on that app, who
spent the memorial service while it was going on actively
trolling and posting videos bashing Erica Kirk. The grieving widow.
(04:10):
I'm not kidding. That's what she did. You know, the
whole idea of oh, if you don't have anything nice
to say, just don't say anything at all. Yeah, she
really said nah to that and just went went off
on Erica Kirk during the memorial service for her husband
who was just killed. You can't make this up, but
we're gonna watch her video that's going viral and sparking
(04:32):
so much backlash now because I think we got to
grapple with this sentiment, as gross as it is, let's
take a listen.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
As expected, Charlie Kirk's wife, who everyone was feeling so sullyful.
Oh my god, I don't feel bad for him, but
I feel bad for her. Yeah, she's also an incredibly
right wing person who's using this moment.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
Stop. Okay, I'm gonna let her finish. But you're mocking
the people who foc oh showy for what for the
grieving widow? For the person whose husband was just murdered
in an act of terrorism? Yeah, why wouldn't you feel sorry?
You have to be a bad person to not feel
(05:13):
sorry for her, By the way, like the problem is
you, you're the bad guy. It is crazy to me, and
she's like, oh, she's mocking the other woke people on
TikTok who are quite as unhinged as her, who say,
we don't feel bad for Charlie, but we feel bad
for his wife. Even that's crazy. You should, in fact
feel bad for people who get murdered in cold blood,
even if they have political views you don't like. But like,
(05:35):
she's belittling those people for having too much compassion. That's psychotic.
And then she's mocking them all during literally as the
memorial service was going on, is when she published this video, Wow.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
To push an authoritarian agenda against the left. Are you
all going to realize that the women who marry these
freaks know exactly what situation they're getting into, and the
reason they and that situation is because they want to
be there. Charlie Kirk's wife married Charlie Kirk because she
liked Charlie Kirk's ideas.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
It's I mean, yeah, probably they have a lot of
shared values. If they're going to be in a relationship,
that's kind of normal, and she's probably proud of her
husband's life work. Even if they don't maybe agree on everything,
they probably broadly agree what is the point of that. Yes,
and so because Charlie was a conservative, then his wife
was as well. Therefore you shouldn't feel bad about murder
(06:29):
about families being destroyed by terrorism. Like, that's not how
normal people process thinking and emotions, You know that, right?
Like it's giving woke sociopath Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
It's literally simple, as women too are capable of making
free decisions of who to associate with, and you can
judge them based on those decisions. If a woman is
a happy wife to a terrible man, it's probably because
she too is a terrible person.
Speaker 6 (07:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
I obviously do not think either Charlie Kirk or Erica
Kirk are terrible people. There are parts of Charlie Kirk's
legacy I really appreciate, respect there are other parts I don't.
And I was very critical of him while he was
still with us and disagree with him on many issues.
But I just can't relate to this, to this idea
that while somebody who was just murdered in enact of
(07:25):
political terrorism, while their memorial service is ongoing, I'm gonna
get on camera and say how terrible they are and
how terrible their frickin' wife is too. I'm trying to think.
There is literally no one even somebody who I think
is like so harmful and so toxic in our politics,
where if they were to die in this fashion, I
(07:47):
would ever do that. It's you can always just not
say anything, you know, you don't have to praise someone
who you hated who died. You can just like not speak.
I feel like some of these TikTokers don't realize that
not speaking is an option and one they should utilize
more frequently. It's just so classless and disgusting to me.
(08:12):
But this kind of sentiment, the whole comments on this
video is just people yes, queening her for this insane
and hateful take.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Y'all do this weird shit with Usha Vance as well?
Oh my god, I bet she feels so awkward knowing
that her husband is racist against Indians and people of color.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I have many critiques of JD. Vance. I don't think
he's racist against Indians. He is married to an Indian
woman and had an Indian wedding. Like they really do
just be throwing shit around. Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I think she probably doesn't why because given who she married,
she's probably racist too.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
So now because she married him, she must be a
self hating Indian racist. She couldn't possibly just love someone
and then he is conservative, Like, no, that couldn't enter
her mind. She must be a self hating racist drawn
to an anti Indian racial extremist because of her own
(09:14):
self hate. I don't know. Oh my gosh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Know what y'all were expecting. Women can be some real
demons too, they're just not as loud about it as
their yap orrass husbands.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So I'm going to go out on a limb and
say that Erica Kirk is not the demon. You the
one trashing a woman mourning her husband as her memorial
service is ongoing for TikTok klout and to I don't know,
rile up people on the internet, you might be the demon, babe, actually,
because everything about you is giving, demonic and sociopathic. Actually,
(09:48):
it's really really grotesque stuff. And it's not even like
this woman is just and I say just, even though
it's horrific in its own right, just trolling Charlie Kirk's
widow during the memorial service for her slay and husband.
She's also pretty actively and pretty explicitly saying that she
supports political violence and therefore encouraging more. Let's listen to
(10:13):
another video from this lovely woman, But first, do make
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the description. Now we're going to take a look at
another video from this Somio woman where she pretty explicitly
(10:57):
endorses political violence or suggests that it's fine in some contexts.
Let's listen.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Also, please don't give me that bullshit about oh, no
one should face violence for their political beliefs. You don't believe.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
That, uh? I actually do?
Speaker 6 (11:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I do believe that I don't believe that people should
face violence for their beliefs or opinions or words, because
I don't believe in terrorism, and I do believe in
free speech. But apparently that's bullshit.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I especially don't want to hear you say it if
you're an American and you don't despise everything about the
way this country exists.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
No, it's because I'm an American that I love free
speech and don't believe in political terrorism. This woman is
absolutely deranged.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
The people that are detained by Ice, they are facing
violence because their belief in the political concept that human
beings should be able to exercise freedom of movement.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
What guys, she actually just suggested that it is somehow
in consistent to be against murdering someone for their words,
like what happened to Charlie Kirk. If you believe in
countries existing, having borders and removing people who enter the
country illegally, those aren't the same thing. I'm sorry, But
(12:16):
if you're being deported because you don't have legal documentation
to be in a country, you're not being deported for
your opinions. You're being sent back to the place where
you're a citizen's a citizen enough unless you literally just
believe in anarchy utopia, open borders, everyone can go wherever
they want, which she probably does because she's at de Lulu.
(12:36):
That's just a basic aspect of civilization that you are
also like, those people aren't being freaking killed. They're being deported,
They're being sent to the countries that they're from. How
you can compare that to people being murdered in cold
blood over speech is wild to me, absolutely wild.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
When the state says and clears out a homeless encampment,
that is people facing violence for the belief that they
deserve to exist and be alive, despite the fact that
capitalism has rejected them.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Oh my god, capitalism has rejected them. That is not
why most people are homeless.
Speaker 6 (13:13):
Bag.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
We can go into a whole discourse and dialogue about that,
but it is not because of the evils of capitalism.
And I'm sorry, but this idea that it is remotely
comparable to assassinating Charlie Kirk because you don't like his
words for the police to remove homeless people or really
(13:34):
any people who are trespassing on public property, those things
aren't the same. I mean, those homeless people First off, again,
they're not being killed love, they're being relocated because they're
somewhere they're not allowed to be, not allowed to build
your home on a public park. That's not what a
public park is for. You don't own that property. And
(13:56):
they're still being allowed to exist. And again, they're not
being targeted for opinions. They're being targeted for illegal actions.
That's kind of a meaningful distinction that appears totally lost
on this young woman. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
People die every single day because instead of funding social services,
having a robust public, free health care, funding, education, funding, housing, no,
all of that money gets funneled into war, the military
and the defense of Israel. That is all political violence.
And the only reason you see what happened to Charlie
(14:33):
Kirk as worse than what happens every single day in
this country.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is because we're saying and not crazy. That's why we
see spending taxpayer money in ways you or I might
disagree with as different from taking vigilantes shooting people and
killing them in cold blood because of their words versus
(14:58):
you wishing we see and well, by the way, we
already spend so much money on welfare programs, on subsidized
healthcare programs, all this kind of stuff, wishing we spent
more on that and less on our military. Those aren't
the same thing. One of them is murder and one
of them is just political choices being made about how
to spend money. But we're crazy, Oh my gosh, we're
(15:23):
so cooked. The fact that hundreds of thousands of people
on TikTok and on the internet look to this person,
and millions and millions of people get their news and
commentary from influencers very similar to this person. We are
absolutely cooked.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Is because the elites have told you that interpersonal violence
is actually more violent than structural violence. And the only
reason they said that to you is because they are
actually at risk of interpersonal violence and they are scared
shitless of it.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Well, no, this idea of structural violence, I don't really
think is a thing. But interpersonal violence is worse than
this structural violence because one of them is violence and
the other one isn't you not getting more free money
is in violence. Someone putting a bullet through your head
(16:11):
is violence? Like, how do we how do I have
to explain that to you?
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Either all political violence is on the table or none
of it is. But if you only voice concern when
the only form of violence that the elites are actually
exposed to happens. You are not a serious person.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I will gladly accept the moniker of not a serious person.
If this person is considering themselves a serious person, please
put me on the one hundred and eighty degree opposite
side of whatever side you're on, because you are not
only filled with hate and venom, but you are absolutely deranged,
young woman, deranged and really really full of darkness. It
(16:51):
makes me very sad and scared for the future of
our country that young people like this have a platform
and have a voice and feel so comfortable just engaging
in this kind of absolute loneacy and evil. What do
you guys think? Let me know in the comments, Make
sure you subscribe, YadA YadA. Yeah, And now we're going
to touch on another story related to Erica Kirk, which
(17:12):
is we just cannot We're literally not allowed to have
nice things anymore. It's become illegal, like it just as
a society, we can't have a nice moment, we can't
all come together because people always have to make it
weird and they always have to go a little crazy,
a little delulu about stuff. So the Daily Mail is
reporting about this very strange. I guess you would call
(17:33):
it like far right, but it's from kind of far
right crazy people. Conspiracy theory cropping up about Erica Kirk
after the memorial service for her husband, accusing her of
making like satanic hands symbols or something. I'm not kidding,
I'm not making this up. So Daily Mail reports vile
claim about Erica Kirk's hand signal sweeps internet in wake
(17:56):
of Charlie Kirk memorial. They're essentially saying that this hands
she made is like some sort of satanic dog whistle
or communication or whatever. But there is shocker. This will
shock you to hear. This A much simpler explanation for
what is going on here, But here's what people are saying.
(18:16):
I caught this hand sign from Erica Kirk, which is
a devil slash owl sign people use in dark meetings
and rock on concerts. Why Another person said, why would
she make this hand signal as a professing Christian and
being knowledgeable of these things? Another person wrote, what is
happening Erica Kirk throwing up a Satanic hand symbol to
end off Charlie's funeral? I hope she doesn't realize what
(18:39):
she's doing, but this is definitely suspicious or did you
just miss your medication today, sir Anyway, referring to Kirk
standing next to the President at the moment she made
the signal, a third man said, sorry, I love Trump
and Charlie Kirk, and I don't want to spoil the party.
But why did Erica wait until she was standing with
the most famous man alive in front of the whole world,
at the most significant moment of her life to throw
(19:00):
up the devil horned gesture? The devil hand gesture, which
is also associated with the rock on motions seen at
rock concerts, involves the index and pinky fingers being raised
while the other fingers and thumb are tucked in. Guys,
this story spoke to me because it's like another entry
in the never ending series of It's not that deep,
(19:24):
and like people over analyzing and micro analyzing the most
minute things and reading into them these deep and profound
and doomsday level meanings that were never intended. So the
same way that there's a whole ass genre of people
on the Internet who think that Taylor Swift is secretly
(19:46):
a lesbian and has been dropping tiny little clues in
her stories, in her songs this whole time, that they're
totally deranged. If you're watching Erica Kirk, a devout Christian
more in her husband at a massive televised memorial service,
and you think she's secretly doing hand signals to the devil,
(20:06):
you're probably reading too deep into it. So I kind
of assumed this was BS. But then it became quite
clear reading the rewarding about this from the Daily Mail
and others, that what she did was a hand signal
or in sign language, means I love you. That's it,
That's what it is. This influencer that I follow, a
(20:27):
conservative named Savannah. She felt the need to clear up
this misinformation for her following. Here's her video. Take a
look at this.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Good morning, everybody. I was up bright and early this
morning on Newsmax to reflect on the powerful, moving, beautiful
service for Charlie Kirk. I am dumbfounded by the amount
of messages and comments that I woke up to people
talking about this photo. People have actually been asking me
(20:58):
if I agree or believe that this hand symbol that
Eric's doing in this photo is associated with demonic powers
of the devil. Are you guys slow? This is the
universal sign for I love you In American sign language,
it's an I an L, I love you. We just
(21:22):
watched a widow who serves the one True God, the
Lord Jesus Christ, bravely and flawlessly address the nation after
watching her husband be brutally assassinated in the public eye,
and you guys are coming up with conspiracy theories that
she is holding up a demonic symbol after preaching the
(21:44):
gospel for what twenty minutes. I usually don't get this frustrated,
but actually, what is wrong with you people? Educate yourselves,
educate yourselves.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So I think it's really sad that this even needs
to be said. But Erica Kirk did not, in fact
do a demonic hand symbol. You just have too much
free time and are too brain rotted by the Internet
and are too prone to conspiracy theorizing like some of y'all.
And it's not just a left wing thing. We talk
(22:16):
a lot about the left because they dominate a lot
of Internet spaces. There are some crazies doing their craziness,
doing their big one on the Internet from the right
wing perspective as well, and we all just desperately need
to come together and log off. That's my take, honestly.
So you guys, let me know what you think. Have
you seen this conspiracy theory going around on the internet.
(22:38):
Let me know in the comments. Make sure you subscribe,
YadA YadA. Yeah. And one final thing I want to
talk about, guys, is a lot of you have seen
the stance that I've taken on the Jimmy Kimmel issue
of his show being suspended by ABC slash Disney because
of the backlash to what he said where he implied
that the Charlie kirkshooter was really maga and mega was
just a denial. And I called out the FCC chair
(23:02):
Brendan Carr, who works for the Trump administration, for his
comments where he suggested that they needed to take action
on Kimmel and they could do it the easy way
or the hard way and threaten the licenses the FCC
issued licenses of ABC's A member stations, and a lot
of people, including in my debate with Will Kine on
(23:22):
Fox News, were just essentially arguing that, like, hey, this
wasn't a factor. Like the FCC chair, Yeah, he said that,
but this was just a private business decision. And my
position all along was we don't really know, but I'm
sure it had. I suspect it had some role and
then that regardless, it's really inappropriate. Now the news is
it just broke last night that ABC is actually going
(23:44):
to bring Kimmel back potentially, although like now, they're facing
a revolt from Sinclair and some of the owners of
the local stations that don't want to put him back
on air. Anyway, here's the reporting about this that he
is kind of potentially making a comeback so soon, let's.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
Watch Disney is bringing him back on the air tomorrow.
ABC says in a statement that we made the decision
last week. This has bend production to avoid further inflaming
a tense situation at an emotional moment. But now, after
having thoughtful conversations with Jimmy, the ABC says, we've reached
the decision to return the show on Tuesday. But Kim's
(24:21):
getting back to work.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
Wow, Brian, that is significant, especially given that some of
the players outside of Disney in a corporate setting like
Nextstar in Sinclair, they essentially have deals that allowed them
to preempt his show, and that's part of the reason
that it was suspended. Do we know how they might
react to this we.
Speaker 6 (24:45):
Don't, and that becomes a big question. Now, will these
local station affiliates choose to air Jimmy kim alive or
will they continue to protest the comedian even though the
network is bringing him back nationwide. ABC does can't lead
chastise Kimmel in this statement. The statement says, quote the
decision to suspendant, we made it because we felt some
(25:06):
of the comments were ill timed and thus insensitive. So
they're very gently saying they disagreed with Kimmel last week,
but obviously they're bringing it back as of tomorrow.
Speaker 9 (25:19):
And we don't know obviously all of the considerations that
went into this, Brian, but I would say leaders obviously
at ABC and Disney have had the benefit of a
few days of feedback.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Yes, including from Disney employees who were very disturbed, including
from Hollywood stars and showrunners, the kind of people's Disney
wants to work with, and from free speech groups, politicians,
even some Republican politicians like Jack Cruz. We know the
condemnation of Disney has been widespread. Now, what we don't
know yet is what the counter reaction will be from
(25:54):
President Trump and his allies.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
So this story about the return of Kimmel has really
prompted a lot more discussion and dialogue, and a bunch
of people have tagged me and essentially said something to
the effect of Haha, Brad Palembo, you were wrong. See
it really was just a business decision, and now they're
bringing it back. It wasn't due to FCC pressure. And
while I'm never opposed to admitting when I'm wrong, I
(26:19):
don't really understand this pushback or this perspective. Let me explain.
So if it was a business decision purely and it
wasn't based on the FCC threats or the political element here,
what's changed about the business dynamic. If they just canceled
Kimmel because he was losing the money and his ratings
were bad, as people said, then why would they have
(26:42):
reversed that decision a few days later? None of those
factors would have changed. What I suspect happened is that
they were initially cowed by the FCC threats and the
massive backlash and caved to it, but then got so
much backlash from inside their own company and from how
and from the elite sphere that they work with closely
(27:04):
that they were like, no, oh, shoot, we can't do this.
We actually are going to take a stand on this
and resist the Trump administration's pressure and the backlash. I
don't really think this tells us that much that they're
trying to bring him back tells us totally what went down.
Now in the statement, they say they took him off
air because his statement was offensive or whatever, but there's
actually extensive reporting that ABC executives had no issue with
(27:26):
what he said. I don't really think you can just
take at face value the claims they're making in a
pr statement, like clearly that's strategic, it's not just putting
all their cards on the table. But regardless, and I
made this point to Will Kin on Fox and our debate,
I've never claimed to know what the ultimate decision was
happening inside ABC, and if the FCC chairs were threats
(27:47):
were a big factor or not. I do suspect that
they were at least a significant role, But regardless, my
point has always just been that it's inappropriate for the
Trump administration to act like this regardless. So I don't
really understand the attempted like gotchas and dunks on me
over this now development where they're bringing Kimmel back. But
(28:08):
I don't know. Maybe you guys do see this as
somehow de monking my whole point. I don't, but I'm
always open to disagreement and push back from the audience.
Let me know what you think in the comments below.
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(28:28):
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