April 17, 2025 • 20 mins
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Arielle Scarcella joins me for a bonus episode of the Brad vs Everyone podcast, where we react to cringeworthy LGBTQ interviews from a comic book convention and discuss how young people in the LGBT community are being led astray, all from the perspective of sane, normal, old-school gays.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Would you date a trans woman as a lesbian? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
How would you?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
How would you define if somebody is a girl or
a guy, or isn't a girl or a guy?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
If they say so? Hey guys, I'm back with my
friend Aril Scarcella for another bonus video. Ril, you got
yourself kicked out of another Pride event?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
No, just the one. I almost got kicked out of
Australia as a country. And I definitely did get kicked
out of Palm Beach Pride. What happened, well, originally, I
you know, those people who don't know, I'm a lesbian
and I am anti leftist, if you will, I'm not
(00:43):
like fully on the right, I'm kind of I actually
pretty much agree with everything that you say all the time.
I think you and I have no we do. I
think we have almost like the exact same views, which
is nice. Make me not feel crazy. And I went
to Palm Beach Pride to film and they literally, I'm
not even kidding, within twenty seconds, within twenty seconds of
me starting to film something, they came up to me
(01:04):
and said said, you do not have a media pass,
And I said, you're correct. You caught me Like, what
do you want me to say, And they're like, you
have to lead the media.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Pass at a public pride event.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Apparently this one you did. And I said, why do
I need a media pass when I have, you know,
people's consents. It's not like I'm just walking around filming
random people like I have their consent. No, no, no,
we need to vet our people to protect them. This
is literally what they said. They then kicked me out
and I said, okay, I'm gonna film you know outside.
They said, yeah, the free speech corner is over there.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Sorry, what the freeze corner?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
They literally said, the free speech corner is over there
and pointed to the sidewalk.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
A free speech corner is this entire country?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
The entire country? Right? But I guess I couldn't really
say anything because they did have a permit for the park,
So whatever I stood. You know, my s stood literally
on the exit like if this was the end of
the park, I stood right there.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, so you were able to get some interesting content.
Then you also went to another event. We're going to
react to some clips from this one where you interviewed
people at like a comic book superhero convention.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, you always. I mean it was like fifty leftists,
fifty percent not leftists. But of course I'm always going
to interview the crazy people. Yeah, and it makes for
better content. Let's be real.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But it wasn't like an LGBT themed event, but a
lot of the people there were somewhere in the Wi
Fi password, right, Yes, okay, Yes, that was definitely the
impression I got. And look, these people, a lot of
them seem sweet and just kind of confused, So we're
going to be nice to them. But I do want
to talk about a couple of things you stumbled on
(02:46):
because I think they represent broader problems with a lot
of people in the LGBT community and a lot of
young people, and how they think about these issues. Like
this first clip.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
What's your sexual orientation? Are you gay? Are you straight?
Are you lesbian? Lesbian? You're just sexualation?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Fan sexual, pan sexual? So yeah, what about you? Whatever?
The blanket of gay is a blanket of gay. Would
you date a transperson? They would? Would you date a
trans woman as a lesbian?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah? How do you guys identify sexual orientation wise? Bisexual? Hye?
How about you?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Bye?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
You like women? Would you date a trans woman? A
trans guy? Trans girl? Doesn't matter. M doesn't matter to me.
You would data a trans guy or a trans woman.
I just think it's pan sexual pan Yeah, it's it's
based on a personality. What a pan people here? For
some reason, I wonder if that's like a theme here
about the person.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know, we only have our vessel for so long,
the soul lasts longer, and you know, hyb So yeah,
why not just try and find your person?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I would agree, but I wish I could find men attractive.
I can't. I tried a.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Genuine connection, and I guess we'd see where that goes.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And you said you're bye. Would you guys, would you
date a transperson? Would you date a transman or a
trans woman? Yeah? You too? Yeah, and you identify as
a trans woman, I'm assuming Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Okay, So it makes sense to me that if you're
somebody who's by or pan sexual, which I just think
is spicy by that you would date a trans woman.
The one thing that stuck out to me though, is
I'm a lesbian and I would date a trans woman,
not just any trans woman, a trans woman with a penis.
(04:17):
At some point, words do have to have meanings, and
if the definition of lesbian encompasses people who date people
with penises. I think we've lost the plot.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We one hundred percent have. The funny thing is, I
don't think it was in that video that we just saw,
but eventually I did get that person to admit that
they were more pan sexual.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh so.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But but the fact, but the fact that they said
that they were a lesbian to begin with, worries me
because if you would have sex, Like there's a difference
in my opinion, between dating someone despite them having a
specific genitalia because you might not ever have to interact
with that genitalia. But if you are interacting with it
(04:58):
and seeing it and still attract to it, then to me,
you're not good. You're not lying. Well, I'm trying to
say it does.
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about sex or is it about gender identity? And I
believe it's about sex.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
It's about sexual attraction.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Now it is a little more complicated, as you've pointed out,
because the fact that a heterosexual man might look at
a trans woman who passes very well and be attracted
to them. Doesn't make that person gay, even if technically
it's a biological male who's attracted to a biological male.
It is more messy and more nuanced. But like, fundamentally,
(06:52):
we can't just have the word lesbian mean anything, because
then it's nothing. And these activist groups have tried to
redefine it to non mail loving a non man, and
at some point I just wish maybe this is the
one instance where like queer is okay, though I think
by or Pan would really capture.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It will be fine, and not just keep lesbian for
people that are strictly women that are dating other women
that are.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Female female lesbian, stop trying to push other things into
and it's not just this one person who just seems
a little confused. This is a bigger thing.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Is this is a way bigger thing. I actually remember
I was at New York City Pride I think it
was I don't know if it was last year or
two years ago, and every single white person that I
interviewed was super woke, and every single black person was like,
these people need help. They were literally there was one
girl that was there that was literally like pick a struggle.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's awesome. I can't say that surprises me, though I
was I shouldn't be surprised by this, but the non
binary representation at this like Comic Book Convention, Superhero Convention,
was off the charts. Yet at the same time, many
of these people who do identify as they them didn't
really seem to be able to articulate what that meant.
(08:05):
Let's take a look at this next.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Clips you identify they them? No, I didn't even think
about it. Do you guys identify as they thems?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Here they them?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I do?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yes? What does it they then mean?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Single that? I guess, dangle, I thought you were dating somebody?
How are you thinking on dating somebody? What does they
then mean to you?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Like? For me, it means I don't have to express
myself in any sort of specific way.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I've never felt leaning towards a woman or male. I
guess it depends on what you mean by that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But you know, they them just to me just means
I don't really identify with any gender.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Do you think of they them?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Is?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
That's a good question. I don't know how to answer
that question, Like, what does.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
That mean a person someoneer isn't a girl or a guy?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There whoever they want to be.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
How would you how would you define if somebody is
a girl or a guy, or isn't a girl or
a guy?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
If they say so, what is it? They them? Do
you go by day? Then pronouns?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
What pronouns do you use? I'll she here? Okay? What
for me?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I just don't really feel like I associate with my body.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
So that's the easiest.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Way someone that doesn't want to be acknowledged as either,
like they kind of can do both and do whatever
they want and just don't want society to say like, oh,
well this makes you female, this makes you male?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I love it. How Like the one potential actual transsexual
person who may not be but was like, yeah, I'm
just to see her.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah. Well, what's sad about this to me is I've
always thought the non binary thing makes no sense, relies
on sexist stereotypes. But this young this one young woman
who says she's a They them literally said it's because
I don't identify with my body and like I feel
disconnected from my body, and I'm like, listen, my heart
(09:47):
breaks for you. That's something a lot of people struggle
with But that is like, and I say this with
no stigma, that is a mental illness, Like that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Is an issue trauma.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's some issue.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Potentially trauma and potentially mental illness and and a lot
of the times both.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah from the other. Yeah, but it's not a cute identity.
It's not like just another category like LGBTQ some something
like you're not supposed to feel like that, you shouldn't
hate your body. And then the other ones where like, well,
it just means you're whatever you feel like. You don't
feel like male, feel like female.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It's just a person. It's just a person who found themselves.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I like the one that was like, it's it means
you're single, and I.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Was like, you just tell me you're dating somebody. What
do you mean you're single?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Not a lot of sense being made to me. It's
it's an unfortunate conflation of biology and personality. I think
what they mean is their personality, but they are conflating
that with terms like male and female, which refer to biology.
And you don't get to choose your biology. Biology is
(10:50):
not to choose your own adventure book, like these people
are all male or female unless there are some like
extremely rare genetic exception of intersex condition or something. But
by and large, they're all male or female, and whether
they don't feel male or feel female doesn't mean they're not.
They still are if they don't.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It's also a sexist you know what I mean to say, Like, well,
I don't feel male or fail female, Like what does
that even mean? Like when I encounter the majority of
these quote non binary people, I would say ninety five
percent of them, the ones that aren't actually mentally ill
and struggling with some kind of trauma that don't relate
to their body which could relate into some gender just
for you, that might make them trans in some way,
the majority of them simply just don't respond well or
(11:31):
relate to gender expression or gender roles. But like that
was the entire point of feminism, was like women can
be anything, men can be anything. You don't have to
not be a woman or not be a man because
you're a different type of man or a different type
of woman. Like they don't see the difference between like
(11:52):
gender expectations and gender identity, maybe like to them it's
the same thing, but to us it's the opposite.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Like us okay to be a to.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Be a masculine woman or a feminine man. To them,
it's like to them, it's like, if you're a more
feminine man, you must be non binary, yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You can't be a man, or maybe you're a trans woman.
But like, actually it's okay to be a hyper feminine man.
And the ones who would say that also then it's like, well,
then at that point, what is a man?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's just a meaningless concept. If it's not biology and
you're unless you're doing sex stereotypes, you don't really have
another definition of it. It's all just kind of made
up and meaningless. And at some point, and I think
you were trying to flesh this out with this next clip,
that does imperil the idea of sexual orientation. If all
of this is just made up, then the kind of
(12:44):
ground that what it means to be gay, to be
homosexual is like built on starts to crumble. Take a
listen to this clip, everybody.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
How many genders are there? Honestly you're asking me that,
and I have no idea. How do you identify they them?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
They are is made up as sexual orientation made up.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I wouldn't think, so, how can you not define one
without being able to define the other.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well, I do know that sexual orientation is more so
like what you're interested in versus gender is what you're
feeling on the inside.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Right, But they know what it to be interested in somebody,
they have to be a certain thing. These kids don't
aren't making any sense. They're not making any sense. Yeah,
they're basically saying that you can be attracted to the
way somebody identifies, which is not true. Which is not
true because if that were the case, I had dated
a quote trans man. This is like fifteen years ago, right,
(13:36):
they didn't. They were not out as trans. I don't
know if they if they knew they were trans, they
were not transition in any way. They told me they
were a lesbian. I was attracted to that person. Does
that mean I'm bisexual? Because if that were the case,
I was attracted to them and they were a man.
But that's not true. You can't be attracted to the
way somebody feels inside. You're just attracted to a body.
(14:00):
Like that's the first thing in physical attraction. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, And it's based in biology and pologies of biology.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Right, like secondary and secondary.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Which can be kind of meddled with, like we talked about, right,
it's not one hundred percent set in stone. Even occasionally
I'll be scrolling and I'll see somebody who I think
is attractive, and I'll find out, oh, that's like a
trans a trans guy. It doesn't mean that I'm attracted
to women or females really, and it doesn't mean that
I would actually be attracted to them. But attraction is
(14:32):
about physical attraction and biology, not about how you feel inside,
because the problem is how you feel inside can change
and is subjective. Ex Our whole point was that you
can't change your sexual orientation. But if it's all about
just how people feel inside, well you can change that.
So it kind of undercuts a lot of the pillars
(14:54):
that gay rights were literally built on.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Ye, And what about what about these people that are
saying that they're one gender one day and then the
next different gend of the next day. Does that mean
my sexual orientation if I'm star you're attracted to it's
also shifting like that. That's such a narcissistic concept that
because have how you feel, they can change the way
other people identify or have to identify or like who
(15:18):
are who like their sexual orientation like, that's nuts.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I think the upside of this is that a lot
of these young people seem to have not thought this
through all that fully, which in my view also means
they can be reached. Like I've I spoiler alert for
people who are going to listen to every who listen
to my podcast every day, I solicited voice notes from
people from in my audience, and they were telling me
(15:41):
all their stories, and I went over them in an
episode that will come out I think in a few
days by the time this airs. One of them told
me how like she was a tomboy and her school
guidance counselors and teachers were trying to tell her she
was tranped and she and she realized that she wasn't
by watching my content and other people's content. I think
she mentioned but Angel, And it's like these young people,
(16:03):
a lot of them aren't actually hardcore brainwashed and idea,
you haven't thought it through. And that was so clear
from this next clip.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
How many genders are there? Are you gay or straight?
Yes that you're by yeah? How many genders are there?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Unlimited?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Unlimited?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
That's a fantastic question.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I wish I could tell you when you name five
they those are pronounced.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Sorry, so I know you have heard a pronounce How
many genders are there?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Can you name five genders?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I wouldn't have like a name for any of them.
But I just think, like none of it really matters,
just however many you want there to be. It's a spectrum, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Male, female, non binary. You have no idea.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
No idea is orientation, So it's not a keep up
with it all.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
But what do you think about the fact that Trump
said that there's only two legal genders now, male and female.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I think he's completely wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I think it's personally. I think it's between you and
your medical professional, like your medical professional should know what
you were born as. But other than that, it's noone's business.
Like you can identify as whatever you want to identify as,
and it doesn't need to be that big of a deal.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I think, like I said, like you said, the majority
of these people aren't nuts, right, they're just lost. They
just they don't want to They don't they don't have
the ability or I guess, the balls, to be like
you and I and go against the grain.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
A lot of them are a queer or they're just allies,
and they don't know or even care to like actually
think things through or think about this and how it
doesn't make any sense, or how it's actually ruining our
acceptance right.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I related to that one guy who was like, I
can't keep up with it all anymore. I'm like you
and me both, sir, you and me both. I also
think it's funny how they were conflating things like pronouns, sexualities,
biological sexes. When you ask what genders are, it's like,
I'm they didn't even understand the question, but felt strongly
(18:08):
that there are unlimited genders and trump is that one
guy was Trump is totally wrong. But also I can't
name them. It's like pick a struggle, bro.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
No, they can't. Every even at West ponm Pride the
next the next Pride, and I went to that I
got kicked out of Whenever I was asking people to
name genders, they couldn't. They kept naming pronouns, and I said,
pronouns aren't genders. Name genders? They couldn't. The only person
that could was possibly that one transsexual person, maybe maybe
he was just a woke transsexual. But even even that
(18:39):
person could only name like three or four.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, I don't guess.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
It unlimited, there's unlimited. I can't name five though, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
If there's unlimited, it shouldn't be hard to name five.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Shouldn't It should not, And it's just it's it's crazy.
I think that was one of my.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Name five, even though I don't think they're real same.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I could name five two.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Man, woman, non binary, a gender.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Gender fluid, Demi girl, Demie boy. That's like seven right there. Yeah,
it's not that try gender, try to like I'm a fairy.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Hopefully some of these people and others in the LGBT
community can be exposed to more of our content and
realize that it's good to be open minded, but not
so open minded that your brain falls out.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
We can only hope honestly.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
All Right, guys, be sure to check out Ril's channel.
I'll link to it in the description below. Thanks again
for joining me, and try not to get kicked out
of any more events.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I'm gonna have to have you as my bodyguard at
the next one.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well, yeah, once I moved to Miami, Well we'll collaborate
in person.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yes, I
Would you date a trans woman as a lesbian? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
How would you?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
How would you define if somebody is a girl or
a guy, or isn't a girl or a guy?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
If they say so? Hey guys, I'm back with my
friend Aril Scarcella for another bonus video. Ril, you got
yourself kicked out of another Pride event?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
No, just the one. I almost got kicked out of
Australia as a country. And I definitely did get kicked
out of Palm Beach Pride. What happened, well, originally, I
you know, those people who don't know, I'm a lesbian
and I am anti leftist, if you will, I'm not
(00:43):
like fully on the right, I'm kind of I actually
pretty much agree with everything that you say all the time.
I think you and I have no we do. I
think we have almost like the exact same views, which
is nice. Make me not feel crazy. And I went
to Palm Beach Pride to film and they literally, I'm
not even kidding, within twenty seconds, within twenty seconds of
me starting to film something, they came up to me
(01:04):
and said said, you do not have a media pass,
And I said, you're correct. You caught me Like, what
do you want me to say, And they're like, you
have to lead the media.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Pass at a public pride event.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Apparently this one you did. And I said, why do
I need a media pass when I have, you know,
people's consents. It's not like I'm just walking around filming
random people like I have their consent. No, no, no,
we need to vet our people to protect them. This
is literally what they said. They then kicked me out
and I said, okay, I'm gonna film you know outside.
They said, yeah, the free speech corner is over there.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Sorry, what the freeze corner?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
They literally said, the free speech corner is over there
and pointed to the sidewalk.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
A free speech corner is this entire country?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
The entire country? Right? But I guess I couldn't really
say anything because they did have a permit for the park,
So whatever I stood. You know, my s stood literally
on the exit like if this was the end of
the park, I stood right there.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, so you were able to get some interesting content.
Then you also went to another event. We're going to
react to some clips from this one where you interviewed
people at like a comic book superhero convention.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, you always. I mean it was like fifty leftists,
fifty percent not leftists. But of course I'm always going
to interview the crazy people. Yeah, and it makes for
better content. Let's be real.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
But it wasn't like an LGBT themed event, but a
lot of the people there were somewhere in the Wi
Fi password, right, Yes, okay, Yes, that was definitely the
impression I got. And look, these people, a lot of
them seem sweet and just kind of confused, So we're
going to be nice to them. But I do want
to talk about a couple of things you stumbled on
(02:46):
because I think they represent broader problems with a lot
of people in the LGBT community and a lot of
young people, and how they think about these issues. Like
this first clip.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
What's your sexual orientation? Are you gay? Are you straight?
Are you lesbian? Lesbian? You're just sexualation?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Fan sexual, pan sexual? So yeah, what about you? Whatever?
The blanket of gay is a blanket of gay. Would
you date a transperson? They would? Would you date a
trans woman as a lesbian?
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah? How do you guys identify sexual orientation wise? Bisexual? Hye?
How about you?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Bye?
Speaker 1 (03:17):
You like women? Would you date a trans woman? A
trans guy? Trans girl? Doesn't matter. M doesn't matter to me.
You would data a trans guy or a trans woman.
I just think it's pan sexual pan Yeah, it's it's
based on a personality. What a pan people here? For
some reason, I wonder if that's like a theme here
about the person.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
You know, we only have our vessel for so long,
the soul lasts longer, and you know, hyb So yeah,
why not just try and find your person?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I would agree, but I wish I could find men attractive.
I can't. I tried a.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Genuine connection, and I guess we'd see where that goes.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
And you said you're bye. Would you guys, would you
date a transperson? Would you date a transman or a
trans woman? Yeah? You too? Yeah, and you identify as
a trans woman, I'm assuming Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Okay, So it makes sense to me that if you're
somebody who's by or pan sexual, which I just think
is spicy by that you would date a trans woman.
The one thing that stuck out to me though, is
I'm a lesbian and I would date a trans woman,
not just any trans woman, a trans woman with a penis.
(04:17):
At some point, words do have to have meanings, and
if the definition of lesbian encompasses people who date people
with penises. I think we've lost the plot.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
We one hundred percent have. The funny thing is, I
don't think it was in that video that we just saw,
but eventually I did get that person to admit that
they were more pan sexual.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh so.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But but the fact, but the fact that they said
that they were a lesbian to begin with, worries me
because if you would have sex, Like there's a difference
in my opinion, between dating someone despite them having a
specific genitalia because you might not ever have to interact
with that genitalia. But if you are interacting with it
(04:58):
and seeing it and still attract to it, then to me,
you're not good. You're not lying. Well, I'm trying to
say it does.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
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to what's the definition of sexual orientation and is it
about sex or is it about gender identity? And I
believe it's about sex.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
It's about sexual attraction.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Now it is a little more complicated, as you've pointed out,
because the fact that a heterosexual man might look at
a trans woman who passes very well and be attracted
to them. Doesn't make that person gay, even if technically
it's a biological male who's attracted to a biological male.
It is more messy and more nuanced. But like, fundamentally,
(06:52):
we can't just have the word lesbian mean anything, because
then it's nothing. And these activist groups have tried to
redefine it to non mail loving a non man, and
at some point I just wish maybe this is the
one instance where like queer is okay, though I think
by or Pan would really capture.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
It will be fine, and not just keep lesbian for
people that are strictly women that are dating other women
that are.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Female female lesbian, stop trying to push other things into
and it's not just this one person who just seems
a little confused. This is a bigger thing.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Is this is a way bigger thing. I actually remember
I was at New York City Pride I think it
was I don't know if it was last year or
two years ago, and every single white person that I
interviewed was super woke, and every single black person was like,
these people need help. They were literally there was one
girl that was there that was literally like pick a struggle.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
That's awesome. I can't say that surprises me, though I
was I shouldn't be surprised by this, but the non
binary representation at this like Comic Book Convention, Superhero Convention,
was off the charts. Yet at the same time, many
of these people who do identify as they them didn't
really seem to be able to articulate what that meant.
(08:05):
Let's take a look at this next.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Clips you identify they them? No, I didn't even think
about it. Do you guys identify as they thems?
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Here they them?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I do?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yes? What does it they then mean?
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Single that? I guess, dangle, I thought you were dating somebody?
How are you thinking on dating somebody? What does they
then mean to you?
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Like? For me, it means I don't have to express
myself in any sort of specific way.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I've never felt leaning towards a woman or male. I
guess it depends on what you mean by that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But you know, they them just to me just means
I don't really identify with any gender.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Do you think of they them?
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Is?
Speaker 1 (08:38):
That's a good question. I don't know how to answer
that question, Like, what does.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
That mean a person someoneer isn't a girl or a guy?
Speaker 1 (08:47):
There whoever they want to be.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
How would you how would you define if somebody is
a girl or a guy, or isn't a girl or
a guy?
Speaker 1 (08:52):
If they say so, what is it? They them? Do
you go by day? Then pronouns?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
No?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
What pronouns do you use? I'll she here? Okay? What
for me?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
I just don't really feel like I associate with my body.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
So that's the easiest.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Way someone that doesn't want to be acknowledged as either,
like they kind of can do both and do whatever
they want and just don't want society to say like, oh,
well this makes you female, this makes you male?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
I love it. How Like the one potential actual transsexual
person who may not be but was like, yeah, I'm
just to see her.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah. Well, what's sad about this to me is I've
always thought the non binary thing makes no sense, relies
on sexist stereotypes. But this young this one young woman
who says she's a They them literally said it's because
I don't identify with my body and like I feel
disconnected from my body, and I'm like, listen, my heart
(09:47):
breaks for you. That's something a lot of people struggle
with But that is like, and I say this with
no stigma, that is a mental illness, Like that.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Is an issue trauma.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, there's some issue.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Potentially trauma and potentially mental illness and and a lot
of the times both.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah from the other. Yeah, but it's not a cute identity.
It's not like just another category like LGBTQ some something
like you're not supposed to feel like that, you shouldn't
hate your body. And then the other ones where like, well,
it just means you're whatever you feel like. You don't
feel like male, feel like female.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
It's just a person. It's just a person who found themselves.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I like the one that was like, it's it means
you're single, and I.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Was like, you just tell me you're dating somebody. What
do you mean you're single?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Not a lot of sense being made to me. It's
it's an unfortunate conflation of biology and personality. I think
what they mean is their personality, but they are conflating
that with terms like male and female, which refer to biology.
And you don't get to choose your biology. Biology is
(10:50):
not to choose your own adventure book, like these people
are all male or female unless there are some like
extremely rare genetic exception of intersex condition or something. But
by and large, they're all male or female, and whether
they don't feel male or feel female doesn't mean they're not.
They still are if they don't.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It's also a sexist you know what I mean to say, Like, well,
I don't feel male or fail female, Like what does
that even mean? Like when I encounter the majority of
these quote non binary people, I would say ninety five
percent of them, the ones that aren't actually mentally ill
and struggling with some kind of trauma that don't relate
to their body which could relate into some gender just
for you, that might make them trans in some way,
the majority of them simply just don't respond well or
(11:31):
relate to gender expression or gender roles. But like that
was the entire point of feminism, was like women can
be anything, men can be anything. You don't have to
not be a woman or not be a man because
you're a different type of man or a different type
of woman. Like they don't see the difference between like
(11:52):
gender expectations and gender identity, maybe like to them it's
the same thing, but to us it's the opposite.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Like us okay to be a to.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Be a masculine woman or a feminine man. To them,
it's like to them, it's like, if you're a more
feminine man, you must be non binary, yeah, or.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
You can't be a man, or maybe you're a trans woman.
But like, actually it's okay to be a hyper feminine man.
And the ones who would say that also then it's like, well,
then at that point, what is a man?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's just a meaningless concept. If it's not biology and
you're unless you're doing sex stereotypes, you don't really have
another definition of it. It's all just kind of made
up and meaningless. And at some point, and I think
you were trying to flesh this out with this next clip,
that does imperil the idea of sexual orientation. If all
of this is just made up, then the kind of
(12:44):
ground that what it means to be gay, to be
homosexual is like built on starts to crumble. Take a
listen to this clip, everybody.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
How many genders are there? Honestly you're asking me that,
and I have no idea. How do you identify they them?
Speaker 4 (12:58):
No?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
They are is made up as sexual orientation made up.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I wouldn't think, so, how can you not define one
without being able to define the other.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Well, I do know that sexual orientation is more so
like what you're interested in versus gender is what you're
feeling on the inside.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Right, But they know what it to be interested in somebody,
they have to be a certain thing. These kids don't
aren't making any sense. They're not making any sense. Yeah,
they're basically saying that you can be attracted to the
way somebody identifies, which is not true. Which is not
true because if that were the case, I had dated
a quote trans man. This is like fifteen years ago, right,
(13:36):
they didn't. They were not out as trans. I don't
know if they if they knew they were trans, they
were not transition in any way. They told me they
were a lesbian. I was attracted to that person. Does
that mean I'm bisexual? Because if that were the case,
I was attracted to them and they were a man.
But that's not true. You can't be attracted to the
way somebody feels inside. You're just attracted to a body.
(14:00):
Like that's the first thing in physical attraction. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, And it's based in biology and pologies of biology.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Right, like secondary and secondary.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Which can be kind of meddled with, like we talked about, right,
it's not one hundred percent set in stone. Even occasionally
I'll be scrolling and I'll see somebody who I think
is attractive, and I'll find out, oh, that's like a
trans a trans guy. It doesn't mean that I'm attracted
to women or females really, and it doesn't mean that
I would actually be attracted to them. But attraction is
(14:32):
about physical attraction and biology, not about how you feel inside,
because the problem is how you feel inside can change
and is subjective. Ex Our whole point was that you
can't change your sexual orientation. But if it's all about
just how people feel inside, well you can change that.
So it kind of undercuts a lot of the pillars
(14:54):
that gay rights were literally built on.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Ye, And what about what about these people that are
saying that they're one gender one day and then the
next different gend of the next day. Does that mean
my sexual orientation if I'm star you're attracted to it's
also shifting like that. That's such a narcissistic concept that
because have how you feel, they can change the way
other people identify or have to identify or like who
(15:18):
are who like their sexual orientation like, that's nuts.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
I think the upside of this is that a lot
of these young people seem to have not thought this
through all that fully, which in my view also means
they can be reached. Like I've I spoiler alert for
people who are going to listen to every who listen
to my podcast every day, I solicited voice notes from
people from in my audience, and they were telling me
(15:41):
all their stories, and I went over them in an
episode that will come out I think in a few
days by the time this airs. One of them told
me how like she was a tomboy and her school
guidance counselors and teachers were trying to tell her she
was tranped and she and she realized that she wasn't
by watching my content and other people's content. I think
she mentioned but Angel, And it's like these young people,
(16:03):
a lot of them aren't actually hardcore brainwashed and idea,
you haven't thought it through. And that was so clear
from this next clip.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
How many genders are there? Are you gay or straight?
Yes that you're by yeah? How many genders are there?
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Unlimited?
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Unlimited?
Speaker 2 (16:21):
That's a fantastic question.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
I wish I could tell you when you name five
they those are pronounced.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Sorry, so I know you have heard a pronounce How
many genders are there?
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Can you name five genders?
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I wouldn't have like a name for any of them.
But I just think, like none of it really matters,
just however many you want there to be. It's a spectrum, yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Male, female, non binary. You have no idea.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
No idea is orientation, So it's not a keep up
with it all.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
But what do you think about the fact that Trump
said that there's only two legal genders now, male and female.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I think he's completely wrong.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I think it's personally. I think it's between you and
your medical professional, like your medical professional should know what
you were born as. But other than that, it's noone's business.
Like you can identify as whatever you want to identify as,
and it doesn't need to be that big of a deal.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
I think, like I said, like you said, the majority
of these people aren't nuts, right, they're just lost. They
just they don't want to They don't they don't have
the ability or I guess, the balls, to be like
you and I and go against the grain.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
A lot of them are a queer or they're just allies,
and they don't know or even care to like actually
think things through or think about this and how it
doesn't make any sense, or how it's actually ruining our
acceptance right.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I related to that one guy who was like, I
can't keep up with it all anymore. I'm like you
and me both, sir, you and me both. I also
think it's funny how they were conflating things like pronouns, sexualities,
biological sexes. When you ask what genders are, it's like,
I'm they didn't even understand the question, but felt strongly
(18:08):
that there are unlimited genders and trump is that one
guy was Trump is totally wrong. But also I can't
name them. It's like pick a struggle, bro.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
No, they can't. Every even at West ponm Pride the
next the next Pride, and I went to that I
got kicked out of Whenever I was asking people to
name genders, they couldn't. They kept naming pronouns, and I said,
pronouns aren't genders. Name genders? They couldn't. The only person
that could was possibly that one transsexual person, maybe maybe
he was just a woke transsexual. But even even that
(18:39):
person could only name like three or four.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, I don't guess.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
It unlimited, there's unlimited. I can't name five though, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
If there's unlimited, it shouldn't be hard to name five.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Shouldn't It should not, And it's just it's it's crazy.
I think that was one of my.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Name five, even though I don't think they're real same.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I could name five two.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Man, woman, non binary, a gender.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Gender fluid, Demi girl, Demie boy. That's like seven right there. Yeah,
it's not that try gender, try to like I'm a fairy.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Hopefully some of these people and others in the LGBT
community can be exposed to more of our content and
realize that it's good to be open minded, but not
so open minded that your brain falls out.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
We can only hope honestly.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
All Right, guys, be sure to check out Ril's channel.
I'll link to it in the description below. Thanks again
for joining me, and try not to get kicked out
of any more events.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I'm gonna have to have you as my bodyguard at
the next one.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Well, yeah, once I moved to Miami, Well we'll collaborate
in person.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yes, I
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