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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Recognizing a trans person as their gender is not a privilege. Okay,
that's not something a trans person should have to earn.
That's just a right that they need to have.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Do you support the police force or ice in any way,
shape or form.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm judging you, all right, guys, welcome to this bonus
episode of the Barad Versus Everyone podcast, where I will be.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
Reacting to insane LGBT tiktoks from the perspective of a
normal gay guy who hasn't quite lost his mind just yet.
Up first, there's an interesting entry in a new category
of de Lulu TikTok discourse where people are discussing whether
it is okay to misgender problematic and unpopular trans creators
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like Lily Tina. Personally, I think that's fine, and I'll
explain why. But first let's watch a video where a
user explains why you must use trans people's pronouns always,
even if they're creeps and probably posers and probably not
even trans. Let's say, go listen to that.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
If you missgender a transperson just because they are a
bad person, that makes you a bad person because it
shows that your respect for trans people is conditional. Like
would you start saying racist things about a person of
color just because they're a bad person. I would hope
not recognizing a transperson as their gender is not a privilege. Okay,
that's not something a transperson should have to earn. That's
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just a right that they need to have. Trans People
have a right to be recognized as their gender, whether
or not they are a good person. When you intentionally
and maliciously misgender a trans person, that hurts the entire
trans community. That is not ally shit because you normalize
the idea that transphobia is fine depending on the circumstances,
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and the people that are always going to be the
most affected by this issue, whether or not they are
a good person, is always the people that don't pass
to your standards. You can just say that a trans
person is a terrible person and you hate this person
without being transphobic towards them. It's not that difficult.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I mean, it's not that difficult, but it's also not
something we can or should have to do. Like, I
just totally disagree with basically all of this. So again,
this comes in the context of Ley Tino, who's a
popular trans creator on TikTok, who is in hot water
right now, because Lily went into women's bathrooms at Disney
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and took photos with women and girls in the background
without their consent, that's creepy, that's predatorial, it's potentially illegal
or violation of the rules of Disney. And to say that, like,
oh no, but you still have to use Lily's pronouns,
you really don't like. I disagree with this idea that
trans people have a right to be referred to as
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their preferred gender pronouns. You actually don't have a right
to someone else's speech. You have a right to call
yourself whatever you want. You have a right to live
your life, but you don't have the right to control
the speech of others. No one has that right, actually,
And I don't really accept this comparison to race, because
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I agree that it wouldn't be good or really defensible
to be racist to a racial minority just because they
were a criminal or a terrible person. It still wouldn't
be okay to like call them racial slurs or whatever.
And I honest, okay, I don't really think anybody should
be calling Lily Tino slurs either, But simply calling Lily
a man or he one, that's not really the same
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thing as calling someone a slur because you're just stating
that they're a man, and being a man is not
an insult that gets just a low key effect. And
that's the other piece of this is like they actually
are black, the criminal hypothetical criminal actually are black. A
trans person is a person who is asking others to
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refer to them as the sex that they aren't actually so,
like someone who is a trans woman is somebody who
is a man technically a biological male who wants to
for whatever reason, walk the world and live as a woman.
And people, in many cases, even myself, are willing to
accommodate that, but not for like creeps and purrs, Like
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why would we accommodate them or go out of our
way to like make them feel nice or good? Why
would we do that? I mean, the logic of this
person in this video would potentially extend to some of
the insane things we've seen, like where women victims of
sexual abuse are expected to or even in some cases required,
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to affirm the pronouns of their male abuser as a woman. No,
they don't have to do that. They shouldn't have to
do that, And if your arguments suggest otherwise, then there's
clearly a problem with those arguments, because what the guy
is saying in this video very clearly would extend to
a trans perpetrator commits a crime against a woman, a
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male trans perpetrator, and then that woman is expected to
still use her pronouns for this person. That's ridiculous. So
I'm not buying this logic. But you guys, let me
know what you think in the comments. Okay, guys up next,
we've got a cringe worthy attempted dunk on the discourse
over trans athletes in women's sports. Let's take a look
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at that.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
If you can't name more than five WNBA players off
the top of your head, or I'll even say, if
you can't name more than five athletes and women's sports
in general off the top of your head, then you
don't get to have an opinion on trans people in sports.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Who said that just kidding it was me, Coach Jackie.
Speaker 5 (05:47):
I said that, should I say it again to your face?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
She really thought she ate, She really thought she cooked,
she really thought she did her big one. There's just
a dozen hits the way that she thinks it hits,
at least not if you have two brain cells to
rub together, because Babe, one does not need to be
an expert in women's sports to know that allowing biological
males to compete in them is unfair and unsafe. One
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only needs to be familiar with basic biology and common sense.
And I don't really accept this idea that I have
to be an intimate fan of the WNBA to say
that males shouldn't be allowed to compete in it, Like
I can not personally be particularly interested or invested in
a topic or a subject, but still care about it
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for others because I want what's best for them, Like
I have no meaningful interest or connection to women's collegiate swimming.
I don't care about swimming. I don't tune in, I'm
not a fan. But at the same time, I do
care about, like young women having opportunities in general, and
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collegiate sports being something that offers them scholarships an opportunity,
and I care about women's safety and comfort in general,
so like I can look at the Leah Thomas situation
and say that's wrong without having to be a die
hard fan of women's swimming, Like the math here is
not mathing. People have opinions about stuff all the time
that they're not directly involved in, and they're not experts in.
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And it's interesting to me how often you hear this
kind of thing where they either try to say, well,
there are no trans athletes, it's like ten people and
so who cares? Or you don't actually care about the subject,
so stop talking about it. None of these are actual
arguments defending the underlying position, because there are really any
good ones, so they do this kind of thing instead.
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I'm not really buying that. I kind of see through it.
But what do y'all think? Up next, we've got another
TikToker scolding us for patronizing corporations using AI or basically
everything else under the sun.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Can you still go to Starbucks? I'm judging you, still
go to Target? I'm judging you. You still watch the Kardashians,
I'm judging you. There is way better trash TV out there.
If you use AI for things that you could simply google,
I'm judging you. In fact, even if you just think
AI is kind of cool, I'm judging you. If you
have plans to celebrate the fourth of July. I'm judging you.
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If you have an American flag on any of your
clothes or your house, or your car or anything. Oh,
I'm judging you. Unless the American flag is upside down,
then you're cool. If you support the police force or
ice in any way, shape or form. I'm judging you
if you drive a Tesla and you don't have that
little sticker on the back that says I bought this
before Elon was a piece of shit and now I
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can't afford a new one. I'm judging you if you
allow your friends or family or significant other to be
racist around you in any way. I'm judging you if you,
in any shape or form support what Israel is doing,
even if you're neutral to what Israel is doing. Oh,
it's more than judgment at this point.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Oh no, guys, we lost her support. I don't know.
That's gonna keep me up at night. I'm gonna wake
up in the middle of then I'd be like, no, no,
don't judge me. No, maybe by no one cares crazies
on TikTok like you, I can judge us all you want.
There is no like all of most of this is nonsense.
(09:22):
There's a few things in there that sort of makes sense.
But why wouldn't I go to Starbucks if you're gonna
say something something Israel that's not real. I've debunked that
Starbucks has no meaningful connection to Israel. If you're going
to say, uh oh, you know, union busting whatever, don't
care based. I would probably do the same if I
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ran a business. Same with Target. You're mad at them,
why because they rolled back DEI initiatives. Yeah, great, that's
actually good. They still don't discriminate against anyone. They still
hire people, They in suppliers from all races. They just
don't do the like tokenizing reverse discrimination de stuff. I
covered that. There's no reason to boycott them whatsoever. On
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the AI thing. Look, I also think they're legitimate ethical
and philosophical and economic concerns about artificial intelligence. But it's
the future, whether you like it or not, so like
that is the way the world is going. So it's
one of those things where I do think people should
use it because you're gonna have to, Like other people
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will just use it and you'll just get left behind.
That's all that will happen. If you could google it. Well,
guess what happens when you google something? AI summary pops
up at the top like it's really not avoidable, So
you're just gonna be judging everyone except like five people
at some point in the very near future, because AI
is the future, whether pink hared girls on TikTok like
it or not. The most diabolical of this whole list,
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to me is the I'm judging you if you support
the police force or ICE in any way. You don't
not in any way, Like I understand if you think
ICE has gone too far and you don't support mass deportations.
But what she's saying would imply that it's like bad
or you're evil if you think ICE should deport violent criminals, rapists, murderers.
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Actually that's good, and everyone with two ounces of common
sense left in their brain can see that. Same with
the police force. I'm open to conversations about criminal justice reform,
police reform, some things the police do that are wrong,
some systemic issues with policing in America, but we do
need police. Like you're saying, we're problematic and you're gonna
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judge us if we think the police should arrest rapists
and murderers. Okay, then I would like you to judge
me because I'm not gonna not support that. That's insane,
that's deranged, and you would probably feel I don't want
this for you, I don't want this for anyone, but
you would probably feel differently if you were victimized. Something
tells me, and I'm sorry, but the whole thing about
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like I'm judging you. If you support Fourth of July
in any way, if you have any American flag you
need to touch grass, you are out of touch with America.
Most people still like this country, even if we have
our problems, even if we're chaotic, even if there's a
lot of crazy things going on, even if you hate
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our president, even if you hate our politicians, most people
still like our country. And you're not going to make
us feel like bad people for it, because we don't care.
That's the thing that had me gagged about this video,
Like she really thinks we're just sitting on the edge
of our seats waiting for her approval. No one cares.
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That said. Maybe they feel that way because they're like that,
like their sense of self is so externally located that
if someone doesn't use the right pronoun for them, they'll
like melt into a puddle or something. But normal people
out here in these streets don't particularly care if some
girl on TikTok disapproves of them because they believe in
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the existence of police. I swear sometimes when I'm in
these online spaces and discourses, I feel like everyone involved
is just so detached from reality, including me. All right, guys, next,
we're gonna hear from somebody who thinks that people need
to just get on board with using the word sis
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cis gender, which refers to non transgender people. But a
lot of people don't like it, who don't really accept
the kind of woke nomenclature of it all. Let's take
a listen to this video.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
The reason why the word biological doesn't work as a
replacement for the word cisgender is fairly simple because sometimes
you're not talking about transmen, you're not talking about trans women.
You're talking about trans people, a broader group, the trans community.
What's the alternative to that the biological community? Biological people
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are trans people, not biological people.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Is that not incredibly dehuman?
Speaker 7 (14:01):
Just use the word cis It's not gonna hurt you.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
So I'm sorry, but it is so funny to me
that the people are like, use my pronouns or else,
are also like, get over it. If you don't, if
you don't like cis Suck it up. You have to
be called cis like, isn't that Shouldn't that be a
two way street. You want people to use your pronouns,
you shouldn't call them cis gender if they don't like
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being called cis gender. Now, the reason I object to
it is different, don't I don't really care about all
the stuff that she just popped off about. I think
the problem that I have with the word cisgender. For
to answer her question, I would just say non transgender,
we're talking about the transgender population, or I would just
say the non transgender population. Cis gender doesn't need to
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be a concept. The problem I have with it is
the definition is rooted in a bunch of like ideological
terms that I don't really accept. So central to the
definition of cis gender that comes up when you google
it right, is simply denoting or relating to a person
whose gender identity corresponds with the sex registered for them
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at birth, not transgender. So the problem with that is
a lot of us don't recognize or accept the idea
of gender identity as like a legitimate concept, and don't
really accept the idea that sex is registered or assigned. Rather,
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we think it's an innate fact of biology. So the
reason I don't want to use the word sis or
be called sis is because I like disagree with it
at a very fundamental level, not because I just hurts
my feelings or whatever. But again, it's just so funny
to me, Like what happened to respect people's word choice? Like,
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I'm in the position where if people call me sis, okay,
I don't really care, Okay, whatever, I'm not going to
call myself that. I'm not going to use that term
because I don't agree with it, but I'm not going
to melt into a puddle over it. The pronoun crowd
up next. This can only be put into the category
of what I would call woke racism, right seriously, like
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some of the most virulently racist people on the internet
who think it's okay that they're openly racist just because
they rail against white people. Here was one woman saying
that only black women have the right to complain about
the Trump administration because they understood the assignment. Let's take
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a listen to this.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
The only people who have a right to complain about
this current administration is black people, more specifically black women,
because we were the only demographic who understood the assignment
ninety who said that.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
So, the crazy thing about this video was actually not
the video itself, It was actually the caption. Let me
read that to you. If you're not a part of
the ninety two percent, just hush and enjoy what you
or people who look like you voted for. Much love
to the eighty percent of black men as well. I
want to emphasize one piece of that, or people who
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look like you. This is insane levels of racist collectivism.
The idea that if you're a white person who voted
for Kamala Harris doesn't like Trump and then he's doing
things you disagree with, you can't complain because your kind
voted for him is so totalizing, is so collectivizing, is
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so dehumanizing, so profoundly strips people of their individuality that
it genuinely sounds like the woke KKK. I do not
ever want to look at the world in this kind
of a racial lens, where people are just members of
some amorphous group and responsible for the sins of people
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that look like them. No, ma'am, no, ma'am, no, ma'am.
That is wild. That is racist, and it is like
very unfair to individuals to hold them responsible or accountable,
or deem their worth or ability to speak on things
based on the actions of others who just look like them.
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I don't know how someone ever could type that out,
read it back and be like, yeah, I ate with that. No, babe,
you sound deranged and racist. Staying on this trend, y'all,
we've got a TikToker here to explain the covert racism
that white people engage in by saying completely uncontroversial, non
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racist things. Yes, let's take a listen.
Speaker 8 (18:41):
Hi, my name's Kyline. Here are the top five phrases
that white people used to indicate they are closeted racist.
I was raised around a lot of racist white people,
and so these are the phrases that people would use
in public and then in private they would be incredibly racist.
Number one, I'm not racist. I treat everybody the same,
And although they treat everyone the same, they're the people
who often spew the most racist and hateful stereotypes in private.
Number two, I just care about the economy. No, you
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only care about preventing black, brown, queer, or disabled people
from accessing healthcare. And then you go home to your
white family and your white kids, and you start saying
slurs and convincing your kids why they should marry a
person of color. Number three, I don't like identity politics.
Oh you mean when it's not about you, because whiteness
has already centered every other aspect, So the one time
it's not you get mad. Number four, Why does everything
have to be about race? Because everything is about race?
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Because quite literally, anything that you can think of in
America is rooted in race, tipping culture, the naming of streets, gentrification,
and number five, I just think people should follow the law.
You mean, the law that is inherently racist and that
criminalizes blackness, or that has banned indigenous practices and celebrations,
right right.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I must I just missed the part of the law
that criminalizes blackness. Seriously, this is so funny to me.
I mean, it's not funny, it's actually sick and insane.
But at another level, it's funny because it's just kind
of like a cough Caa esque trap where if you
say racist things, you're racist obviously, and that's bad. Don't
say racist things, But then if you say non racist things,
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you're also racist and bad, and you're just covert about
your racism. So in this kind of thinking, I'm really
not sure there's anything a white person can say where
they're not going to declare you racist. I mean literally,
let's look at somebody. If you say I'm not racist,
I treat everybody the same, that's proof you're racist. I
don't how do we get out of that. If you
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say you're racist, If you say you discriminate against people,
you're racist. If you say you're not racist and you
say you don't discriminate against people, you're also racist. What
she probably by the way, guys, this is just a
random guess. She probably spent hundreds of thousands of dollars
to get a degree in some like blank Studies Field
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where they taught her all this wisdom. That's my wild guess.
And wow, if you claim you care about the economy,
she translates to you don't want disabled people to have
health care. The levels of bad faith straw Manning there
are astronomical, really, Like, you can't concede that anyone might
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genuinely have been bothered by the economy by inflation, have
thought that Trump could do better. No, they must just
want queer people to not have health insurance, like, I
don't know how to reach somebody who's this far gone,
who has this little room for nuance or faith in
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the other side at all. It's actually kind of scary.
And what's funny to me about the claim that if
you say I don't like identity politics, you're racist, is
that most black people in America don't like identity politics,
Most minorities of different races don't like identity politics. Identity
politics is primarily popular among woke white people if you
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actually look at the polling. But I'm sure that our
nice white savior here would just explain to all those
black people that they actually hate themselves and are just
like internalized bigots and need to be educated by saviors
like her. This stuff is exhausting. Imagine being friends with
this person. I'm sure she is just a delightful hang.
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What do you guys think, which one of these crazy
videos was your favorite? Do let me know in the comments.
Do hit that legmund before you go, And that'll be
it for this bonus episode of the Bread Versus Everyone podcast.
Thank you all so much, and we'll talk again real soon.