September 19, 2025 • 25 mins
What do you do when your boss, your co-workers, your classmates, or even your DAUGHTER... are cheering for a political murder? I break it down in this Voicemail Friday episode of the Brad vs Everyone podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What do you do when your boss, your co workers,
or even your daughter openly support the murder of Charlie Kirk.
We're going to break this down in so much more
in today's Voicemail Friday episode of The Brad Versus Everyone podcast,
(00:21):
my daily show where we take on the craziest ideas
from across the Internet, our media, and our politics, all
from an independent perspective. You guys, if you're regulars, you
know that on Fridays, I take your voicemails and I
hear about your woke car stories, your personal life experiences,
and I answer questions that you guys have for me,
And honestly, not surprisingly so, given the horrific killing of
(00:45):
Charlie Kirk a little bit over a week ago, at
this point, most of the voicemails I have been getting
lately are people telling about the really horrifying experiences they're
having with people in their lives openly celebrating or cheering
on this act of frankly political terrorism. Now, of course,
(01:06):
we've got to navigate these relationships and grapple with the
fact that a significant chunk of society seems on board
with this kind of political violence at this point. That's
why I did the rather unhinged interview with a transgender
writer who supported or cheered for Charlie's death, because I
do think we need to engage with these ideas and
grapple with them, particularly if we want to defeat them,
(01:28):
because you can't take something on you don't even understand
or refuse to think about or talk about. So we're
going to walk through some of these experiences, starting by
hearing from somebody who their boss openly was happy that
Charlie Kirk was killed.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Let's listen, Hey, Brad, big fan of yours, you know,
I just wanted to ask your opinion on this. You know,
we've all seen what happened to Charlie Kirk, and it's
greatly upsetting for a number of reasons. I do lean right,
I was a fan of Charlie's for something, didn't agree
with everything, but I happened to be on a work
trip when I found out about the news. And I
(02:05):
have two co workers who, for lack of a better term,
seemed celebratory, not quite as bad as we've seen on
the internet with people cheering it all on or anything,
but just kind of made light of the situation. And
one happens to be my boss, and I'm trying really
(02:27):
hard not to let this make me see them differently,
but I don't know how. I'm not considering leaving my job,
but there's part of me that is, there's part of
me that's like, do I keep working under someone who
I know is so.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Different from me?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Not even politically, but just in the way I value life. Anyways,
just wanted to get your opinion what you would do.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Thanks for what you.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Do, of course, thank you for your voicemail and for
tuning in. Look, my initial reaction to this is that
this isn't just a normal political difference. This isn't my
boss is pro choice, but I'm pro life. My boss
wants gun control and I don't. This is the difference
between civilization and barbarianism, seriously or barbarism. This is the
(03:23):
difference between supporting terrorism or being against terrorism. And I
think it's a big deal actually, and particularly I'm disturbed
by your story because these are not even opinions. It
sounds from what you said, these aren't even opinions express
like in their personal capacity, you know what your boss
is posting on Facebook or whatever. You could ignore that
(03:43):
they have their right to speak their mind in their
personal lives. These are comments and behavior made during a
work trip, And yeah, I think it's actually inappropriate and
bad to cheer on death at work really in any kind,
but particularly in this kind of horrific political violence situation.
(04:04):
And it kind of depends on some details you didn't
offer as well. So, for example, if you're working at
a very large corporation and this is just your kind
of immediate step up on the food chain, I would
submit some kind of complaint to human resources because it's
possible that you could get a new boss if they
find out that this is happening on the clock during
(04:24):
work trips. If this is some sort of small business
or a small team and you're kind of just stuck
with these people at this job, I would genuinely consider
fighting a new line of work because these don't sound
like positive people to be around. And frankly, it sounds
like if they knew some of the things you believe
that you agreed with on Charlie Kirk, they would hate you.
(04:47):
So that means they already hate you and they just
don't know it yet. I think you deserve to work
with better people. Now, I understand not everybody's financial situation
is that they can just get up and leave their
job and go somewhere else. But maybe start looking, maybe
keep an eye out. It's in the long run. I
think you deserve to be in an office environment where
(05:08):
you don't have to worry that if you died, people
might celebrate your death because you have the wrong opinions.
This pretty dark stuff, actually, and these people sound toxic
and really, really, I just think it's not okay at all.
I can't believe people are doing this. But what do
you guys think? Let our friend here know in the
comments below. Make sure subscribed if you aren't yet, hit
that like button while you're at it. Now, let's listen
(05:31):
to our next voicemail, which is from somebody who their
classmates all cheered for this act of terrorism. Let's listen.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Hi, Brad, my name is Shelby. Unfortunately, you're probably gonna
get a lot of voice notes like this. I was
at break from one of my classes. I go to
an art college when the news about Charlie Kirk broke,
and you know, I was just talking with people in
my class and one of them saw the new and
(06:00):
they were showing the video around and they shoved it
in my face, like made me watch it, and then
we're like cheering every time that had happened. They watched
it over and over and we're just cheering, saying, Carmen's bitch,
he gets what he deserves. He's a monster. And it
made me physically sick. I went to the bathroom. I
like grew up, I was shaking. It was bad because
(06:20):
I just couldn't fathom how they could react that way.
And then the rest of the day, you know, looking
at their Instagram stories, hearing what they were saying, like
in class made me realize that they really didn't see
him as human, Like they were so certain of how
evil he was that they really they really like didn't care.
(06:41):
And it just even some of my professors were saying
stuff like, oh, if you are upset about his death,
then like you're not welcome in my classroom. And it
just made me like spiral because these people, if they
really knew how I thought in my views, then they
wouldn't treat me the same and that scares me and
(07:04):
I just it was really upsetting. Thank you, I love
your videos.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, thank you for the note and for tuning in.
Oh my heart goes out to you. I wish I
could give you a big hug because this is so
messed up and this is so not your fault. Like
you need to understand, it can be hard when you're
in one of these bubbles, one of these echo chambers.
As soon as you said Art College, I knew we
were cooked. I knew the story was going somewhere bleak.
(07:29):
But you have to understand that it might feel like, Oh,
I'm the crazy one because everyone here thinks a certain way.
You're not the crazy one, Like nine out of ten
Americans agree with you, and they're just the one out
of ten, but they are all populated in this echo
chamber that is your Art College. For the professors who
said you're not welcome here if you more in Charlie
(07:52):
Kirk's death, that's actually not okay. You need to report
them to the universe, the university, because they should not
be explicitly telling students they're not welcome in their class.
I mean really for any political reason, but especially when
as commonplace as oh, if you're sad about terrorism, then
you shouldn't be in this class. That's actually quite bad,
(08:15):
and that's them saying they don't want to do their job,
which is to teach students, so you should absolutely report them.
And then for these students in your class, we're showing
you the video that's gross. I mean, the video is horrifying.
I've of course seen it on x and other places,
but that's gruesome stuff. And the idea of sticking that
in someone's face and laughing your demons. Your classmates sound
(08:38):
like demons. And I know that it's art school, so
it's a unique skill set. You can't just go to
any random college for that, so you may need to
stick around. Maybe you can't transfer. I mean, I don't
know if there's such a thing as a conservative art college,
but so you might just have to put up with
it for a while. But then hopefully you will take
(08:59):
those skills that you learn and work in the art
world or in whatever industry you're studying to enter, and
you'll bring a different perspective because this goes underrated, but
I think we need people who aren't ultra progressive in
the arts. The arts actually matter a lot. I don't
have a creative bone in my body, really, not in
that sense, not in the artistic sense. But I think
(09:20):
you stay strong. It's going to be a rough couple
of years potentially surrounded by these extremists. But please, please
do not lose sight of the fact that you are
not the crazy one. I repeat that, you are not
the crazy one. They are. And yes, you should keep
your guard up as well with these classmates, because if
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they knew the real you at all, they would hate you.
And I'm sorry, I wish that wasn't the case, but
it is the case, and you've got to know that
and keep them at arm's length as a result, because
these are toxic people who, from what it sounds like,
really can't be trusted. They really have dehumanized their enemies
political opponents, that is, them as subhuman or the enemy.
(10:01):
And I would encourage you, guys to wherever you are
in the political spectrum, say that you're right of center,
say that your ultramaga, whatever, Please do not lose sight
of the fact that even people who are not even liberals,
even woke people, even leftists, even Marxists, there are still people.
Do not dehumanize them, never ever engage, and do not
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treat them the way they treat you. First of all,
treat them the way you want to be treated, because
you can only control you. But don't ever, let yourself
sink to that level, because at the end of the day,
that's not good for your soul. That's what I think.
At least you guys let me know what you think.
In the comments sticking on the college trend, we're gonna
hear from another person who's professor shamed them for being
(10:46):
upset about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Let's listen, hey, Brad, I've spoke on your podcast before.
I was the one that talked about the never mind. Anyway,
at the time time of this recording, I'm about to
send in a complaint to my college professor about being
racist and dismissing me because I'm a white male. When
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I told her that I was deeply saddened at the
fact that Charlie Kirk had passed away, she said, oh,
you're a white male. Are you a Christian too? And
I said, well yes, and she's like, of course you are,
you're a white male. I told her that we shouldn't
see each other as different races. We should just see
each other as different people, and she said, how dare
(11:33):
you and use the race card against me because I
was a white male. She even said that she wished
there was a poster that said Trump is a Nazi
still hanging up, And when I told her that that's
not true, she said, oh, we'll see. And she even
said I sounded racist when I was saying that I
(11:55):
disliked Oprah. I am. I am making sure that she
gets fired because she cannot act like that towards me
or any other students.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, I mean, fair enough. It sounds like you would
be well within your rights to file a complaint against
this professor for either gender discrimination, racial discrimination. I don't
even know what, but this is not okay, And I
don't know. It's so funny to me because aren't these
colleges supposed to be the safe spaces, right, aren't they
(12:28):
going to be the supposed to be the all are
welcome diversity, equity inclusion spaces. But then they're like, but nah,
few conservatives, you anybody who's against the political terrorism f
you white man. Like it's really toxic stuff and really sad,
and it's like, do your job, teach your students the
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thing you're paid to teach them. Stoff trying to inject
your politics or discriminate against students who aren't on board
with your extremist ideology. Very strange stuff and simply not okay,
particularly not okay at a public university. You could also
potentially file a complaint with the Department of Education as
like civil Rights Division. Really I would encourage you to
(13:12):
do that as well. This administration might just investigate that
professor and that college and if everything you said is true,
they deserve to be investigated. Like, it is so sad
that we can't come together, even on college campuses or
other places. We really can't come together to be like, hey,
this is bad that a person was murdered because of
their political views in America. The bar is in hell
(13:36):
and people are still tripping over it. I don't understand.
I simply do not understand. But hey, that's just my
take some interesting stuff that to still unpack on the
show today. Because we've talked so far about like workplace
and education. And that's one thing, because frankly, you can,
and you really should in these situations at least keep
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the people at arm's lengths. They don't have to be
your best friends to be your coworkers. You don't need
to be close with your professor to just go to
their class and learn this gulls need to learn and
then get the heck out of there if it's a
crazy left wing college. But with your family, I mean,
family's a different story. So we're going to hear a
couple of voice notes from people who are having to
(14:20):
navigate this rather tricky issue with their family. First, here's
somebody who's father seems to support the murder of Charlie
Kirker at least be happy about it.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Let's listen, Hi, Brad, my name is Vanessa. Kind of
came at this unexpectedly. I was talking to my dad
about the Charlie kirk situation, and you know, I didn't
expect him to respond this way because my dad's pretty Republican.
(14:52):
He's not for Trump, but you know he's been pretty
Republican for most of his life. But after Charlie died,
I text him saying how horrible it was, and I
just can't believe what this country is coming to. And
(15:14):
I tried to tell him how Charlie wasn't this horrible
person that the media made out to be, and my
father came back with, you're young, so I'll forgive you.
And that's spiraled into a bunch of messages about Charlie
being a manipulated racist and all kinds of crap like that,
(15:40):
and even now he's currently texting stuff like that, and
I just I just want to know, like, what would
you do in this situation? What should I do? I
have a good relationship with my dad and I don't
want it to end like this.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah. Well, I'm sorry that you're in this position because
it sounds like you're young. I don't know how young,
but obviously your dad is much older. He should really
know better than to be victim blaming the victim of
political terrorism, of a political assassination, saying, well, his skirt
was too short. Did you hear what he said about
Martin Luther King Junior? It's like it doesn't matter. And
(16:20):
that's the thing I would really not I would advise
you to not engage in the relitigation of everything Charlie
said or did, because, frankly, Charlie had such a long
career that if you want to find lots of good stuff,
you can find good stuff, But if you want to
find some bad stuff, you can find bad stuff as well.
Like anybody, he was a divisive figure. He was very outspoken.
(16:44):
He had some edgy takes, and anybody who spends thousands
and thousands of hours in front of a microphone is
going to say some things that will age poorly, So like,
you're not going to convince somebody who wants to believe
he was totally evil. Otherwise, what you should really do
is just talk about, hey, well, let's not argue about
whether Charlie was good or bad. Let's just agree that
(17:06):
political terrorism is wrong and that it's wrong to kill
someone for what they believe in, for what they say
or do, and ask him, you know, find somebody that
he likes, right, whatever, political commentator, YouTube or activist, whatever,
and ask, how do you feel if that person was
killed because somebody disagreed with what they had to say. Well,
a lot of people feel the same way about Charlie,
(17:28):
and you should respect that. And at some point you
just have to draw a boundary and say, like, listen,
I don't really want to talk about this with you.
We're going to need to agree to disagree if he
wants to keep harping on Charlie's evil Charlie's bad, and
then try to look for the good that's there in
that relationship. Because even if your dad has kind of
(17:48):
a delulu take on this, he's not I'm sure, an
irredeemably bad person, and it sounds like you have a
good relationship with him, and I would try to preserve that. Definitely,
try to reason with him. I mean, I think an
obligation to stand up for what's right, and that means
standing against this kind of thing and not engaging in
the character assassination of the dude who was just literally assassinated.
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But if a certain point, if you're not getting through
to him, well just draw a boundary around it. Say listen,
we're not going to agree on this, but this is
where I fall down on it. I need you to
respect that, and we don't need to talk about it
again and then move forward.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It sounds like it's strange to me that you say
your dad is otherwise a Republican but just doesn't like Charlie.
But people are odd. People don't have simple black and
white beliefs, blue and red the way that you think.
People are mixtures and complicated beings with kind of all
sorts of thoughts and perspectives you might not always expect.
(18:46):
So it's surprising, But maybe it's not actually totally that surprising,
because I've met people with far odder combinations of perspectives
than that before. Yeah, so I would just try to
keep the good that's there and draw a line around
this and say, listen, after a little bit of attempt
to reason with them, if you're not getting through. I
also think it sounds like you're texting. Would really recommend
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you have a conversation in person or at least on
the phone about it rather than text. Is just not
a productive format for these kinds of conversations, especially about
something so emotional and so serious. So I would do that,
and then I would just try to preserve that relationship
because even if your dad has Lulu political takes or whatever, not,
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a whole lot of people don't have an ad at all,
and a whole lot of people have broken family. So
I would definitely don't let something like that be the
end of your relationship or cause a serious problem unless
he makes it that, which it doesn't sound from what
you said that he's done that, But certainly you shouldn't.
You should take the good that's there. That's my take,
at least you guys feel free to chime in in
(19:51):
the comments. Now. We've got a really interesting voicemail from
somebody who is a parent and has the situation where
their child is okay with what happened to Charlie. Let's
listen to that.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Hey, bri, it's ross. I have a issue. Maybe you
can help me with the Other day, as the news
was unfolding about Charlie, my daughter arrived and we got
talking and I said something about what's going on on
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the news, and her reply was basically, you mean that
piece of that got hit in the neck. And I
didn't have to. I didn't have a reply. I kind
of just let it be because I didn't want to
(20:47):
react the way my first instinct wanted to be in
my daughter. I mean, I love her to death. I
know she's got some different views than me, but that's
never been a problem. I mean, we've been able to
talk about different things, but this is one that I
(21:13):
just had to retract back to my office. I didn't
know how to respond yet I feel I need to
let me know what you think. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, well, thank you for the note. And I have
a little bit of trepidation about offering too much advice
because obviously I'm not a parent, so I haven't been there,
so I can't necessarily say here's to parent your daughter
or anything. It would have been, and I don't think
you mentioned this would be helpful to know how how
young your daughter is, Like, are we talking about twelve
year old? Are we talking about an eighteen year old?
(21:47):
Every time about a twenty five year old? Because I
think if your daughter is is, you know, under twenty one,
for example, Well take solace in the fact that that
brain's still mushy, like the brain is still developing, and
she might develop a little bit more common sense as
she ages. I think that happens to a lot of us.
And then I would try to have a conversation with
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her about it and put it in terms that apply
to her. So, whoever her favorite political commentator is, maybe
it's Dean with Hers, maybe it's from TikTok, maybe it's
I don't know, the young Turks. If she's more left leaning,
whatever it is, ask her, how would you feel if
that person if some conservatives shot that person in public
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because of what they believe in? She would say, well,
that's horrible, that's terrible, And you would have to then
ask her, all right, well, that's either okay as a
society to kill people because of what they say and
what they believe in, or it's not Okay, surely you
would agree with me that it's better that we live
in a society where we're against that across the board,
for your side, from my side, for any side. I
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think if you put it like that, she'll probably agree
with you. And then in terms of that, I mean,
that's all you really need to get to. That's all
you really need to do.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You're not going to change her whole political ideology. You
don't need to argue with her about whether Charlie Kirk
was a good or bad person, but you should just
I think the other thing you could do is help
explain to her that the definition of terrorism is using
violence to send a political message, right, and get her
to agree with you on that, and say that while
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killing a conservative activist or killing a political activist because
their beliefs or speech is terrorism, right, Yes, and so
you of course are against terrorism. When you frame it
like that, I think she'll agree with you, and she'll
she'll understand why this is bad and destructive. But I
would try to keep it narrow the focus of what
you're trying to convince her. You're not arguing with her
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about whether Charlie Kirk was racist. Say, okay, say that
he is for the purposes of argument. Just because someone
has bad beliefs or beliefs we don't like, it's still
not okay to do terrorism to them, right, agree, Because
if you get lost in the weeds of litigating every
offensive thing. Charlie kirk Ever said in her mind, I
think you're not going to get anywhere. That's going to
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turn into a dead end. So I would avoid I
would recommend avoiding that, and then I would also say
to her, well, you know, Charlie has two young kids
and now they're going to grow up without a dad.
How would you have felt if someone had killed me
because of my political beliefs and you grew up without
a dad?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Don't you see there's a deeper human level here that
transcends politics. That's the approach that I would try to take,
And that's really all you can do. I don't know
beyond that. Sometimes people have to grow and evolve and
come to these realizations on their own. All you can
do is tell her the right messages and beliefs, and
whether she chooses to accept them as she becomes an
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adult ultimately will be up to her. So I hope
that she receives this wisdom well, and I'm sure you're
doing your best. All right, guys, that'll be it for
this episode of for this voicemail Friday episode of the
Brad Versus Everyone podcast. We haven't done one of these
in a couple of weeks. I'm glad we're doing it again.
But remember you can send in your voicemails with your
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you're at it, and we'll talk again real so
What do you do when your boss, your co workers,
or even your daughter openly support the murder of Charlie Kirk.
We're going to break this down in so much more
in today's Voicemail Friday episode of The Brad Versus Everyone podcast,
(00:21):
my daily show where we take on the craziest ideas
from across the Internet, our media, and our politics, all
from an independent perspective. You guys, if you're regulars, you
know that on Fridays, I take your voicemails and I
hear about your woke car stories, your personal life experiences,
and I answer questions that you guys have for me,
And honestly, not surprisingly so, given the horrific killing of
(00:45):
Charlie Kirk a little bit over a week ago, at
this point, most of the voicemails I have been getting
lately are people telling about the really horrifying experiences they're
having with people in their lives openly celebrating or cheering
on this act of frankly political terrorism. Now, of course,
(01:06):
we've got to navigate these relationships and grapple with the
fact that a significant chunk of society seems on board
with this kind of political violence at this point. That's
why I did the rather unhinged interview with a transgender
writer who supported or cheered for Charlie's death, because I
do think we need to engage with these ideas and
grapple with them, particularly if we want to defeat them,
(01:28):
because you can't take something on you don't even understand
or refuse to think about or talk about. So we're
going to walk through some of these experiences, starting by
hearing from somebody who their boss openly was happy that
Charlie Kirk was killed.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Let's listen, Hey, Brad, big fan of yours, you know,
I just wanted to ask your opinion on this. You know,
we've all seen what happened to Charlie Kirk, and it's
greatly upsetting for a number of reasons. I do lean right,
I was a fan of Charlie's for something, didn't agree
with everything, but I happened to be on a work
trip when I found out about the news. And I
(02:05):
have two co workers who, for lack of a better term,
seemed celebratory, not quite as bad as we've seen on
the internet with people cheering it all on or anything,
but just kind of made light of the situation. And
one happens to be my boss, and I'm trying really
(02:27):
hard not to let this make me see them differently,
but I don't know how. I'm not considering leaving my job,
but there's part of me that is, there's part of
me that's like, do I keep working under someone who
I know is so.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Different from me?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Not even politically, but just in the way I value life. Anyways,
just wanted to get your opinion what you would do.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Thanks for what you.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Do, of course, thank you for your voicemail and for
tuning in. Look, my initial reaction to this is that
this isn't just a normal political difference. This isn't my
boss is pro choice, but I'm pro life. My boss
wants gun control and I don't. This is the difference
between civilization and barbarianism, seriously or barbarism. This is the
(03:23):
difference between supporting terrorism or being against terrorism. And I
think it's a big deal actually, and particularly I'm disturbed
by your story because these are not even opinions. It
sounds from what you said, these aren't even opinions express
like in their personal capacity, you know what your boss
is posting on Facebook or whatever. You could ignore that
(03:43):
they have their right to speak their mind in their
personal lives. These are comments and behavior made during a
work trip, And yeah, I think it's actually inappropriate and
bad to cheer on death at work really in any kind,
but particularly in this kind of horrific political violence situation.
(04:04):
And it kind of depends on some details you didn't
offer as well. So, for example, if you're working at
a very large corporation and this is just your kind
of immediate step up on the food chain, I would
submit some kind of complaint to human resources because it's
possible that you could get a new boss if they
find out that this is happening on the clock during
(04:24):
work trips. If this is some sort of small business
or a small team and you're kind of just stuck
with these people at this job, I would genuinely consider
fighting a new line of work because these don't sound
like positive people to be around. And frankly, it sounds
like if they knew some of the things you believe
that you agreed with on Charlie Kirk, they would hate you.
(04:47):
So that means they already hate you and they just
don't know it yet. I think you deserve to work
with better people. Now, I understand not everybody's financial situation
is that they can just get up and leave their
job and go somewhere else. But maybe start looking, maybe
keep an eye out. It's in the long run. I
think you deserve to be in an office environment where
(05:08):
you don't have to worry that if you died, people
might celebrate your death because you have the wrong opinions.
This pretty dark stuff, actually, and these people sound toxic
and really, really, I just think it's not okay at all.
I can't believe people are doing this. But what do
you guys think? Let our friend here know in the
comments below. Make sure subscribed if you aren't yet, hit
that like button while you're at it. Now, let's listen
(05:31):
to our next voicemail, which is from somebody who their
classmates all cheered for this act of terrorism. Let's listen.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Hi, Brad, my name is Shelby. Unfortunately, you're probably gonna
get a lot of voice notes like this. I was
at break from one of my classes. I go to
an art college when the news about Charlie Kirk broke,
and you know, I was just talking with people in
my class and one of them saw the new and
(06:00):
they were showing the video around and they shoved it
in my face, like made me watch it, and then
we're like cheering every time that had happened. They watched
it over and over and we're just cheering, saying, Carmen's bitch,
he gets what he deserves. He's a monster. And it
made me physically sick. I went to the bathroom. I
like grew up, I was shaking. It was bad because
(06:20):
I just couldn't fathom how they could react that way.
And then the rest of the day, you know, looking
at their Instagram stories, hearing what they were saying, like
in class made me realize that they really didn't see
him as human, Like they were so certain of how
evil he was that they really they really like didn't care.
(06:41):
And it just even some of my professors were saying
stuff like, oh, if you are upset about his death,
then like you're not welcome in my classroom. And it
just made me like spiral because these people, if they
really knew how I thought in my views, then they
wouldn't treat me the same and that scares me and
(07:04):
I just it was really upsetting. Thank you, I love
your videos.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, thank you for the note and for tuning in.
Oh my heart goes out to you. I wish I
could give you a big hug because this is so
messed up and this is so not your fault. Like
you need to understand, it can be hard when you're
in one of these bubbles, one of these echo chambers.
As soon as you said Art College, I knew we
were cooked. I knew the story was going somewhere bleak.
(07:29):
But you have to understand that it might feel like, Oh,
I'm the crazy one because everyone here thinks a certain way.
You're not the crazy one, Like nine out of ten
Americans agree with you, and they're just the one out
of ten, but they are all populated in this echo
chamber that is your Art College. For the professors who
said you're not welcome here if you more in Charlie
(07:52):
Kirk's death, that's actually not okay. You need to report
them to the universe, the university, because they should not
be explicitly telling students they're not welcome in their class.
I mean really for any political reason, but especially when
as commonplace as oh, if you're sad about terrorism, then
you shouldn't be in this class. That's actually quite bad,
(08:15):
and that's them saying they don't want to do their job,
which is to teach students, so you should absolutely report them.
And then for these students in your class, we're showing
you the video that's gross. I mean, the video is horrifying.
I've of course seen it on x and other places,
but that's gruesome stuff. And the idea of sticking that
in someone's face and laughing your demons. Your classmates sound
(08:38):
like demons. And I know that it's art school, so
it's a unique skill set. You can't just go to
any random college for that, so you may need to
stick around. Maybe you can't transfer. I mean, I don't
know if there's such a thing as a conservative art college,
but so you might just have to put up with
it for a while. But then hopefully you will take
(08:59):
those skills that you learn and work in the art
world or in whatever industry you're studying to enter, and
you'll bring a different perspective because this goes underrated, but
I think we need people who aren't ultra progressive in
the arts. The arts actually matter a lot. I don't
have a creative bone in my body, really, not in
that sense, not in the artistic sense. But I think
(09:20):
you stay strong. It's going to be a rough couple
of years potentially surrounded by these extremists. But please, please
do not lose sight of the fact that you are
not the crazy one. I repeat that, you are not
the crazy one. They are. And yes, you should keep
your guard up as well with these classmates, because if
(09:40):
they knew the real you at all, they would hate you.
And I'm sorry, I wish that wasn't the case, but
it is the case, and you've got to know that
and keep them at arm's length as a result, because
these are toxic people who, from what it sounds like,
really can't be trusted. They really have dehumanized their enemies
political opponents, that is, them as subhuman or the enemy.
(10:01):
And I would encourage you, guys to wherever you are
in the political spectrum, say that you're right of center,
say that your ultramaga, whatever, Please do not lose sight
of the fact that even people who are not even liberals,
even woke people, even leftists, even Marxists, there are still people.
Do not dehumanize them, never ever engage, and do not
(10:22):
treat them the way they treat you. First of all,
treat them the way you want to be treated, because
you can only control you. But don't ever, let yourself
sink to that level, because at the end of the day,
that's not good for your soul. That's what I think.
At least you guys let me know what you think.
In the comments sticking on the college trend, we're gonna
hear from another person who's professor shamed them for being
(10:46):
upset about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Let's listen, hey, Brad, I've spoke on your podcast before.
I was the one that talked about the never mind. Anyway,
at the time time of this recording, I'm about to
send in a complaint to my college professor about being
racist and dismissing me because I'm a white male. When
(11:11):
I told her that I was deeply saddened at the
fact that Charlie Kirk had passed away, she said, oh,
you're a white male. Are you a Christian too? And
I said, well yes, and she's like, of course you are,
you're a white male. I told her that we shouldn't
see each other as different races. We should just see
each other as different people, and she said, how dare
(11:33):
you and use the race card against me because I
was a white male. She even said that she wished
there was a poster that said Trump is a Nazi
still hanging up, And when I told her that that's
not true, she said, oh, we'll see. And she even
said I sounded racist when I was saying that I
(11:55):
disliked Oprah. I am. I am making sure that she
gets fired because she cannot act like that towards me
or any other students.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, I mean, fair enough. It sounds like you would
be well within your rights to file a complaint against
this professor for either gender discrimination, racial discrimination. I don't
even know what, but this is not okay, And I
don't know. It's so funny to me because aren't these
colleges supposed to be the safe spaces, right, aren't they
(12:28):
going to be the supposed to be the all are
welcome diversity, equity inclusion spaces. But then they're like, but nah,
few conservatives, you anybody who's against the political terrorism f
you white man. Like it's really toxic stuff and really sad,
and it's like, do your job, teach your students the
(12:50):
thing you're paid to teach them. Stoff trying to inject
your politics or discriminate against students who aren't on board
with your extremist ideology. Very strange stuff and simply not okay,
particularly not okay at a public university. You could also
potentially file a complaint with the Department of Education as
like civil Rights Division. Really I would encourage you to
(13:12):
do that as well. This administration might just investigate that
professor and that college and if everything you said is true,
they deserve to be investigated. Like, it is so sad
that we can't come together, even on college campuses or
other places. We really can't come together to be like, hey,
this is bad that a person was murdered because of
their political views in America. The bar is in hell
(13:36):
and people are still tripping over it. I don't understand.
I simply do not understand. But hey, that's just my
take some interesting stuff that to still unpack on the
show today. Because we've talked so far about like workplace
and education. And that's one thing, because frankly, you can,
and you really should in these situations at least keep
(13:59):
the people at arm's lengths. They don't have to be
your best friends to be your coworkers. You don't need
to be close with your professor to just go to
their class and learn this gulls need to learn and
then get the heck out of there if it's a
crazy left wing college. But with your family, I mean,
family's a different story. So we're going to hear a
couple of voice notes from people who are having to
(14:20):
navigate this rather tricky issue with their family. First, here's
somebody who's father seems to support the murder of Charlie
Kirker at least be happy about it.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Let's listen, Hi, Brad, my name is Vanessa. Kind of
came at this unexpectedly. I was talking to my dad
about the Charlie kirk situation, and you know, I didn't
expect him to respond this way because my dad's pretty Republican.
(14:52):
He's not for Trump, but you know he's been pretty
Republican for most of his life. But after Charlie died,
I text him saying how horrible it was, and I
just can't believe what this country is coming to. And
(15:14):
I tried to tell him how Charlie wasn't this horrible
person that the media made out to be, and my
father came back with, you're young, so I'll forgive you.
And that's spiraled into a bunch of messages about Charlie
being a manipulated racist and all kinds of crap like that,
(15:40):
and even now he's currently texting stuff like that, and
I just I just want to know, like, what would
you do in this situation? What should I do? I
have a good relationship with my dad and I don't
want it to end like this.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Yeah. Well, I'm sorry that you're in this position because
it sounds like you're young. I don't know how young,
but obviously your dad is much older. He should really
know better than to be victim blaming the victim of
political terrorism, of a political assassination, saying, well, his skirt
was too short. Did you hear what he said about
Martin Luther King Junior? It's like it doesn't matter. And
(16:20):
that's the thing I would really not I would advise
you to not engage in the relitigation of everything Charlie
said or did, because, frankly, Charlie had such a long
career that if you want to find lots of good stuff,
you can find good stuff, But if you want to
find some bad stuff, you can find bad stuff as well.
Like anybody, he was a divisive figure. He was very outspoken.
(16:44):
He had some edgy takes, and anybody who spends thousands
and thousands of hours in front of a microphone is
going to say some things that will age poorly, So like,
you're not going to convince somebody who wants to believe
he was totally evil. Otherwise, what you should really do
is just talk about, hey, well, let's not argue about
whether Charlie was good or bad. Let's just agree that
(17:06):
political terrorism is wrong and that it's wrong to kill
someone for what they believe in, for what they say
or do, and ask him, you know, find somebody that
he likes, right, whatever, political commentator, YouTube or activist, whatever,
and ask, how do you feel if that person was
killed because somebody disagreed with what they had to say. Well,
a lot of people feel the same way about Charlie,
(17:28):
and you should respect that. And at some point you
just have to draw a boundary and say, like, listen,
I don't really want to talk about this with you.
We're going to need to agree to disagree if he
wants to keep harping on Charlie's evil Charlie's bad, and
then try to look for the good that's there in
that relationship. Because even if your dad has kind of
(17:48):
a delulu take on this, he's not I'm sure, an
irredeemably bad person, and it sounds like you have a
good relationship with him, and I would try to preserve that. Definitely,
try to reason with him. I mean, I think an
obligation to stand up for what's right, and that means
standing against this kind of thing and not engaging in
the character assassination of the dude who was just literally assassinated.
(18:12):
But if a certain point, if you're not getting through
to him, well just draw a boundary around it. Say listen,
we're not going to agree on this, but this is
where I fall down on it. I need you to
respect that, and we don't need to talk about it
again and then move forward.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It sounds like it's strange to me that you say
your dad is otherwise a Republican but just doesn't like Charlie.
But people are odd. People don't have simple black and
white beliefs, blue and red the way that you think.
People are mixtures and complicated beings with kind of all
sorts of thoughts and perspectives you might not always expect.
(18:46):
So it's surprising, But maybe it's not actually totally that surprising,
because I've met people with far odder combinations of perspectives
than that before. Yeah, so I would just try to
keep the good that's there and draw a line around
this and say, listen, after a little bit of attempt
to reason with them, if you're not getting through. I
also think it sounds like you're texting. Would really recommend
(19:09):
you have a conversation in person or at least on
the phone about it rather than text. Is just not
a productive format for these kinds of conversations, especially about
something so emotional and so serious. So I would do that,
and then I would just try to preserve that relationship
because even if your dad has Lulu political takes or whatever, not,
(19:29):
a whole lot of people don't have an ad at all,
and a whole lot of people have broken family. So
I would definitely don't let something like that be the
end of your relationship or cause a serious problem unless
he makes it that, which it doesn't sound from what
you said that he's done that, But certainly you shouldn't.
You should take the good that's there. That's my take,
at least you guys feel free to chime in in
(19:51):
the comments. Now. We've got a really interesting voicemail from
somebody who is a parent and has the situation where
their child is okay with what happened to Charlie. Let's
listen to that.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
Hey, bri, it's ross. I have a issue. Maybe you
can help me with the Other day, as the news
was unfolding about Charlie, my daughter arrived and we got
talking and I said something about what's going on on
(20:23):
the news, and her reply was basically, you mean that
piece of that got hit in the neck. And I
didn't have to. I didn't have a reply. I kind
of just let it be because I didn't want to
(20:47):
react the way my first instinct wanted to be in
my daughter. I mean, I love her to death. I
know she's got some different views than me, but that's
never been a problem. I mean, we've been able to
talk about different things, but this is one that I
(21:13):
just had to retract back to my office. I didn't
know how to respond yet I feel I need to
let me know what you think. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, well, thank you for the note. And I have
a little bit of trepidation about offering too much advice
because obviously I'm not a parent, so I haven't been there,
so I can't necessarily say here's to parent your daughter
or anything. It would have been, and I don't think
you mentioned this would be helpful to know how how
young your daughter is, Like, are we talking about twelve
year old? Are we talking about an eighteen year old?
(21:47):
Every time about a twenty five year old? Because I
think if your daughter is is, you know, under twenty one,
for example, Well take solace in the fact that that
brain's still mushy, like the brain is still developing, and
she might develop a little bit more common sense as
she ages. I think that happens to a lot of us.
And then I would try to have a conversation with
(22:10):
her about it and put it in terms that apply
to her. So, whoever her favorite political commentator is, maybe
it's Dean with Hers, maybe it's from TikTok, maybe it's
I don't know, the young Turks. If she's more left leaning,
whatever it is, ask her, how would you feel if
that person if some conservatives shot that person in public
(22:31):
because of what they believe in? She would say, well,
that's horrible, that's terrible, And you would have to then
ask her, all right, well, that's either okay as a
society to kill people because of what they say and
what they believe in, or it's not Okay, surely you
would agree with me that it's better that we live
in a society where we're against that across the board,
for your side, from my side, for any side. I
(22:53):
think if you put it like that, she'll probably agree
with you. And then in terms of that, I mean,
that's all you really need to get to. That's all
you really need to do.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
You're not going to change her whole political ideology. You
don't need to argue with her about whether Charlie Kirk
was a good or bad person, but you should just
I think the other thing you could do is help
explain to her that the definition of terrorism is using
violence to send a political message, right, and get her
to agree with you on that, and say that while
(23:25):
killing a conservative activist or killing a political activist because
their beliefs or speech is terrorism, right, Yes, and so
you of course are against terrorism. When you frame it
like that, I think she'll agree with you, and she'll
she'll understand why this is bad and destructive. But I
would try to keep it narrow the focus of what
you're trying to convince her. You're not arguing with her
(23:48):
about whether Charlie Kirk was racist. Say, okay, say that
he is for the purposes of argument. Just because someone
has bad beliefs or beliefs we don't like, it's still
not okay to do terrorism to them, right, agree, Because
if you get lost in the weeds of litigating every
offensive thing. Charlie kirk Ever said in her mind, I
think you're not going to get anywhere. That's going to
(24:09):
turn into a dead end. So I would avoid I
would recommend avoiding that, and then I would also say
to her, well, you know, Charlie has two young kids
and now they're going to grow up without a dad.
How would you have felt if someone had killed me
because of my political beliefs and you grew up without
a dad?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Right?
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Don't you see there's a deeper human level here that
transcends politics. That's the approach that I would try to take,
And that's really all you can do. I don't know
beyond that. Sometimes people have to grow and evolve and
come to these realizations on their own. All you can
do is tell her the right messages and beliefs, and
whether she chooses to accept them as she becomes an
(24:49):
adult ultimately will be up to her. So I hope
that she receives this wisdom well, and I'm sure you're
doing your best. All right, guys, that'll be it for
this episode of for this voicemail Friday episode of the
Brad Versus Everyone podcast. We haven't done one of these
in a couple of weeks. I'm glad we're doing it again.
But remember you can send in your voicemails with your
(25:10):
woke horror stories, your personal life scenarios, or your questions
for me. You can send those in at the link
in the description. And with that, guys, make sure you
subscribed if you aren't yet, hit the like button while
you're at it, and we'll talk again real so
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