July 3, 2025 • 32 mins
Viral TikTok videos are making some insane allegations about President Trump's handling of undocumented immigrants, and millions of people are falling for it... but is there any truth to these grave accusations? I break it down in this episode of the Brad vs Everyone podcast. Plus, Democrats exploit disabled children to make misleading claims about Medicaid cuts, and a Fox News guest combines defamation and blind partisanship into a stunning 60-second clip.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Guys, they're throwing the deporties out of the planes and
into the ocean. No, this is not a drill. No
this is not fear mongering. They're shackling.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
TikTok videos are going mega viral accusing Trump of literal
war crimes with incredibly flimsy evidence. We're gonna break this
down in so much more on today's episode of the
Barad Versus Everyone podcast. My daily show will retake on
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the craziest ideas from across the Internet, our media, and
our politics, all from an independent perspective. Guys, welcome back
to the show. Welcome back to my kitchen setup, the
only part of the apartment we've actually cleaned or organized
it all, so it looks okay in this shot, But
if you could see around the room, guys, yikes. Anyway,
up first, I almost this almost stunned me, like it
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was almost a new low, And I didn't really I
could still be stunned. I didn't realize there was a
new level of unhinged conspiratorial depravity left out there on
the Internet to leave me truly breathless. But the latest
TikTok conspiracy theory this time is an anti Trump kind
of panicked theory. It actually did stun me that people
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could convince themselves of this and have it go so
viral based on just the most baseless conjecture and easily
debunked evidence. TikTok influencers are actually claiming in videos racking
up millions of views and hundreds of thousands of likes,
that Trump is feeding immigrants to sharks by flying them
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out into the middle of the ocean and pushing them
out of an airplane, and that their bodies are washing
up on shore in Europe. This is actually the narrative
going super viral. Take a look at this first clip
with me.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Guys, they're throwing the deporties out of the planes and
into the ocean. No, this is not a drill. No,
this is not fear mongering. They're shackling people flying out
into open ocean and throwing them out. Okay, the flight patterns,
there's people tracking them on this app the flights going
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out with the deep orties, watching them go out to
open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw
five shackled bodies wash up on the shore. No, but seriously,
on everything that you stand for, whether it's bullshit, consumerist,
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propaganda or actual leftist good values, or whatever the fuck
it is you believe in. Things are getting serious.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So there have always been people in society with untreated
psychiatric disorders, and what we have unfortunately, rather fortunately developed
medications that can treat severe psychosis. They sometimes don't take
their medicine, and that's always been a problem. But now
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we give these people cameras and spotlights and they go viral.
This video had millions of views and over eight hundred
thousand likes, all based on utter nonsense the ravings of
a mad woman that I will debunk after we introduce
a few more of these videos. So you see it's
not just one video, it's an entire narrative being spread
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across the Internet. Here's a second video that has, as
the time of this recording, over one point eight million views.
Let's take a look.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
People tracking the ice deportation flights have found that some
of them are just flying to the middle of the
ocean and turning around and coming right back. Also, bodies
are washing up on the shores of Spain, cuffed and shackled,
you know the way we saw them getting onto those planes. Also,
through Dam launched an investigation because a planeload of their
people never arrived and they're still unaccounted for. It's been
about a month. Do you remember learning about the death
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flights during Argentina's Dirty War in the seventies and early eighties,
when they'd fly out to the middle of the ocean
and throw people out of airplanes. Because taxpayers were pressing
Trump on why he insisted on using those military cargo planes,
you know, the ones those doors open in flight for
things like air drops. When they coused ten times as
much to operate, they don't see as many people. It
was just inefficient, and he insisted on using them instead
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of you know, the commercial planes we've always used.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And I think we might know why now. And I've
got to say it's.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Shockingly horrifying, and I'm not easily surprised. I don't lack imagination,
all right, I it would have been nice to live
in precedented times, you know, at any fucking point, I
didn't think I was going to live to see the
American dream die and become a horrific nightmare. But I
think that's where we're at, guys, Because I did a
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deep dive wanting to disprove it, and all I found
was mountains of evidence. So you know, did we all
die when and kicked on the hydron collider? And is
this hell? Because if this was hell, I mean, it's
not any more enjoyable, but at least you would add
it would make sense.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Like, are you in hell? Is this hell?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You might be? Wow. There's a lot there, and we
will unpack these claims one by one. By the way,
but it's not just miss eyebrows here who really believes
this because of all her research and all her evidence.
In the comment section, it's just full of people buying
this hook line and sinker. Somebody wrote, am I horrified? Yes?
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Am I surprised? Sadly no? And that comment has been
liked ninety eight thousand times, So ninety eight thousand people
saw that comment and we're like, yes, I agree. Somebody
else wrote war criminal crimes against humanity thirty thousand likes.
Another person said we said never again, but here we
are again five thousand, nine undred twenty nine lights. Some
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of these videos making the same claim are just weird,
like this one. They can avocado.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Ice is dropping migrants out of cargo planes while shackled
over the ocean, leaving them to die.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
This next one is slightly different, but it's kind of
a similar theme, so I just want to lump it
in here and talk about it as well. This is
about the Alligator Alcatraz ice immigration detention facility that they're
building in Florida. Let's take a look at this this increase.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
You don't know what's going on. A girl on TikTok
came on here and said that one of her neighbors
received a government contract asking them to install a bunch
of incinerators at Alligator Alcatraz. They're installing incinerators at Alligator Alcatraz.
Alligator Alcatraz is on indigenous land. It's like protected land.
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Do you understand what's going on right now?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Video has three million views where and people are eating
it up. In the comments section. They are seriously suggesting
that they are installing incinerators to burn bodies in Alligator Alcatraz,
the new immigrant detention facility in Florida. And their evidence
for this is this woman reporting that Another girl on
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TikTok says that one of her neighbors received a government
contract requesting them to build incinerators at Alligator Alcatraz. That
is not information that is not news. That is like
three times levels of hearsay gossip, and where is this contract?
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If this was true, it wouldn't be very difficult for
this neighbor who actually received the contract to approach the
Miami Herald or CNN or MSNBC and say, listen, I
got this contract. Those meat outlets would verify it and
then they would run with it, and they would love
to run with it. They haven't done that because this
either isn't a thing and didn't happen and has just
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been transformed through multi levels of telephone game into something
that TikTokers are now yapping about to millions of gullible people,
or they're just like if there is a grain of
truth to it, they're like concinerators for trash, not actually
something controversial or strange. If you're going to make extraordinary
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claims to millions of people online, you should probably have
extraordinary evidence, or at least some evidence at all. Now
we're going to get into these specifics of the main
conspiracy theory here about the immigrants being dropped off in
the middle of the ocean, pushed out of airplanes and
fed to sharks or whatever. I don't know why i'd
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subject myself to this, but I do for your entertainment,
all right, because y'all are kind of sick. But I
went and I did some research on this to see
is there any truth to this, because of course, if
this was true, this would be horrible, And I've been
critical of the way the Trump administration has handled some
illegal immigrants or you know, even alleged illegal immigrants that
they haven't gotten fair due process treatment. Still, though, the
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idea that they are dropping them off in the middle
of the ocean and pushing them out of planes is extreme,
sounds far fetched, and once again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Yet every piece of evidence these people have provided for
this theory isn't true. Some of them don't even know
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the basic facts of the things they're referencing as proof.
For example, the TikToker who said bodies are washing up
in Italy, No, there reports that I found of bodies
washing up of people in shackles are from Spain, not Italy,
so you don't even know necessarily know what you're talking about.
More importantly, even the liberal leading fact checker Snopes pointed
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out that there is no evidence connecting these bodies to
anything related to the Trump administration or even America at all.
Their article reads that in June of twenty twenty five,
reports circulated about several bodies that washed up on the
shores of the Bailearic Holiday islands of Ebiza and Formina
with their hands and feet tied together. The Spanish Civil
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Guard opened investigation into the deaths, suspected to be murders.
At the time of this writing, according to local reports,
officials recovered the first bound body on May eighteenth of
twenty twenty five. According to Diario de Majorca, a local newspaper,
at least five bodies washed up on Baalieric Island beaches
by the end of June. Police suspected the deaths were
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connected to people smuggling and migrants attempting to cross into
Europe from Northern Africa. On June thirtieth, authorities in Ibiza
said police believe the deceased war quote on a boat
that arrived in Alicante. According to local reports, so this
is a sad story and has to do with serious
issues like human trafficking, but there's no evidence linking it
to Trump or immigration. It's something happening over there, not
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happening because they're flying planes out in the middle of
the ocean and pushing people and then their bodies are
that's a whole lot by the way, that it's just
kind of an insane theory to begin with, but also
it's quite a long trip all the way into the
middle of the Atlantic Ocean and then quite a far
away for bodies to wash up. I mean, just the
whole thing is far fetched to begin with. And then
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they're presenting this evidence that has a totally different, entirely
plausible explanation. Same thing with all these receipts they claim
to have that show suspicious flight patterns of deportation flights
going out into the middle of the ocean and then back.
These are are most likely either fabric or they're looking
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at real flight patterns, but they don't understand what they're
looking at. A fact checker for Lead Stories spoke to
someone named Tom Cartwright, and you have to understan who
Tom Cartwright is. He is a liberal leaning, fierce critic
of Trump's immigration policies who deportation flights aren't. The information
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is not very easily accessible to the public about where
they go, but he pieces it together and then creates
a database that is then used largely to criticize the
Trump administration's immigration policies, which he openly rails against. However,
the fact checkers asked him about this outlandish story of
deportation flights going into the middle of the ocean then
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turning right back around, and here is what he said
on the claim that flight trackers had zeroed in on
deportation flights that had circled around in the middle of
the ocean. Tom Cartwright, a retired financial executive who has
been tracking deportation flights since Trump's first presidency and whose
data has been used by major media organizations, told Leads
Stories via email based on my work and observations, this
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is all garbage. He added that no such app exists
to track all deportation flights in real time, and when
specifically asked if he observed any unusual circular movements over
the ocean, Cartwright said, I see all deportation flight paths
and no. So all the major points of evidence and
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receipts so that these people have provided to supposedly support
these outlandish claims are totally debunked and don't remotely prove
the outlandish and extreme accusations they're throwing around to millions
of people on the Internet. This is really really concerning
to me on a couple levels. One, just like the
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media literacy aspect of this. How impressionable people are They
really think that something like this would happen. And No,
not a single one of the media outlets on the
l left that hates Trump would report on it, right,
none of them would report on it. No real journalists.
But this lady on TikTok looking at screenshots of flight patterns,
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she totally understands, has it all figured out seriously all
you don't think any more critically than that. And it
also discredits whatever legit critiques or complaints you might have
about Trump's handling of immigration stuff, which certainly has been
controversial and I've criticized on this show. When you're just
bringing up absurd conspiracy theories and misleading millions of people
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and scaring them, that's the other problem I have with this.
If what they were talking about was actually true or
even like remotely based in reality rather than to Lulu Land,
then you would be talking about a Nazi like regime
doing this to people, to immigrants, And if millions of
people are believing them all it takes is a couple
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of those people to be unhinged or crazy, and they
might take some pretty drastic, violent steps based on this
totally fault conspiracy theory they believe because they saw TikTok
videos about it, And that would be horrible. And when
you have a major platform, or you post videos on
the Internet where they can go viral, you have a
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responsibility to be No one's gonna be perfect. Some people
are gonna make mistakes, they'll make errors, but just to
spread baseless crap like this with no basic research, fact
checking or verification and scare millions of potentially unstable people,
I mean, you're committing a real act of social sabotage
when you do stuff like this. And these people deserve shame,
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not the kind of bizarre praise and attaboys and viral
reward in the attention economy that they're getting for this stuff.
It's really terrible. What do you guys think? Have you
seen this organically in your feeds? Do let me know
in the comments. I love hearing what you guys have
to say. I always do take the time to read
the comments as much as I can. I get too
many of these days I used to read every single one,
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but now I really can't, but I do take the
time to look, so comment with your thoughts down below.
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we're going to yap about something that's really been pissing
me off, because there's this ongoing debate over the Big
Beautiful Bill. These so called Big Beautiful Bill, really I
think is kind of a big ugly bill in many ways.
But Democrats are doing something that really bothers me. There
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are cuts to Medicaid in this bill.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So, Medicaid is the government health insurance program that was
originally for disabled and the poor but has really expanded
and now covers lots of people. There are some significant
but like not huge cuts to it in the Big
beautiful bill, and several million people would lose access to Medicaid. However,
these people are who would be losing access are primarily
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people who would be subject to the work requirements, or
to additional verification checks or other things like that that
we can debate the merits of. But one thing Republicans
are not in fact doing is kicking disabled children off
of government healthcare. Yet that's actually like the narrative that
a lot of liberals and Democrats are running with to
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smear and shut down any dissenting voice or any advocacy,
that these programs, which are by the way, driving us
off a financial physical cliff, be pared back at all.
Anytime they do that, you try to do that, they
hit you with the most just dishonest, emotional blackmail imaginable.
Let's look at this video posted by Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar,
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where she wrote, thanks to Medicaid, Dan's daughter Claire is
able to get the at home care she requires without
their family worrying about hundreds of thousands of dollars in
medical bills. Who the big beautiful betrayal will hurt the most.
Let's watch this video.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Well, hello, everybody, you know my name is Dan Smith.
But more importantly, this is my daughter, Claire Smith.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hi, Claire.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
You know where a lot of Americans don't know is
that Medicaid covers them. It doesn't just cover people that
they may know in their you know, communities or where
they work. It covers them as well. I was someone
who never thought I was covered by Medicaid and tell
the birth of my daughter Claire. You know, I'm someone
who has employment based health insurance like most Americans do
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who have health insurance. Caid serves as a secondary sure
for my daughter to pick up unfortunately, hundreds of thousands
of dollars in the cases of some years of expenses
that aren't covered by my employment based health insurance.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So this video really pissed me off, and the way
that it was shared by Amy Klobuchar really pissed me
off because Claire is it's not affected by any of
the cuts in the big beautiful bill, which I don't
even support. But like, I just know what facts are
the cuts to Medicaid affect able bodied adults primarily, there
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is nothing cutting services or coverage for disabled children. That's
not a thing. So you're lying when you say this
is who the big beautiful bill will hurt the most.
You're just lying because Senator Amy Klobuchar, she has a
staff of legislative aids who have read this bill and
know what it does and doesn't do. So what you
are doing is lying to the public and emotionally manipulating
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and gaslighting us, exploiting a disabled child to do it.
That is messed up, and it's not okay, and it's
not an honest way to engage in debate. If anything,
the people like Claire are an example of who Medicaid
was meant to serve, the truly indigent, the truly disabled children,
these kinds of things, and who it needs to be
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preserved in order to keep helping. And if it just
continues to grow unabated and continues to have all these
able bodied adults on it, I think it's estimated five
million that could potentially get jobs that currently don't work
that are able bodied adults covered on this Those are
people with whom she is competing for care with who
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also have Medicaid and can get benefits and get limited
provider attention. And these are people for whom are creating
a financial drain on a system, creating problems where there
may need to be cuts that actually would affect someone
like Claire, So the whole thing is just so dishonest.
But it's not just one example. They do this anytime
you try to cut anything. They find the most emotionally
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compelling examples, with zero regard to whether they have anything
to do with the actual reforms or cuts being proposed.
Here's another video, this one from the Midas Touch Network
emotionally manipulating us as well.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
Hello Ben, and thank you to Mida's Touch for letting
us share our story. I'm Sarah Blum Anderson and this
is my daughter, Audrey. We live in Hilliard outside of Columbus, Ohio,
and Representative Mike Carries fifteenth Congressional District. Audrey is thirteen
years old and she's loved in our family. We're so
lucky to have her. She's compassionate and loving and an
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amazing friend. Audrey has an active life. She dances, she
rides horses, and she plays baseball.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Audrey also has.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Pure Syndrome, a rare genetic disorder. She has intellectual disabilities, seizures,
mobility issues, cerebral palsy, and she's nonverbal but very expressive.
Medicaid provides a lot in our lives. Gtube supplies her wheelchair,
her speech device, but it also provides a caregiver for
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Audrey so that her father and I can work outside
of the house and instead of caring and spending all
of our time just with Audrey. Medically complex and intellectually
disabled kids like Audrey in the past were institutionalized and
live at home where they are beloved. They didn't attend
school where they could socialize and learn life skills. They
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didn't get to be part of their communities where they
are invaluable contributors. When Audrey grows up, she'll need Medicaid too.
Medicaid provides for adult day and work programs. She will
be able to be part of our community with the
people who love and care about her. Audrey's life is
valuable as much as any other child. Audrey's life is big.
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She doesn't need words to be a good friend, she
doesn't need to run a marathon to be able to dance,
and she doesn't need a job to be an anchor
in our community. But she does need Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
So wow, I mean, my heart goes out to this
family and Audrey does seem like you know, a beautiful
spirit and her family. I admire them because it can't
be easy, but it sounds like they're doing the best
their best with having you know, this kind of of
rare disorder. And I don't even blame this mom because
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she doesn't understand politics or policy. She was asked by
Midas Touch Network, a liberal leading network, to do this,
But to them, I say, for you, like, seriously, what
the dishonesty. Nothing? Nothing in the GOP's bill would take
Medicaid away from people like Audrey. Nothing, not a thing.
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Work requirements for able bodied adults that are expected to
result in millions of people leaving the Medicaid roles. We
can debate that, but they absolutely have exceptions for people
with disabilities that Audrey will qualify for as an adult
and as a child that doesn't even currently apply to her.
But even when she's an adult, these services are not
being cut or targeted by this bill. So all you're
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doing is exploiting a severely disabled child to engage in
emotional blackmail to target your political opponents to try to
stop essentially unrelated cuts to the Medicaid program. I find
that honestly despicable and disingenuous and really horrible from any
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kind of media network, no matter their bias, just to
engage in that kind of thing. And it's a terrible, terrible,
terrible way to exploit somebody with a disability, to try
to use them for your partisan purposes and lie. You're
scaring this disabled family with a lie that their healthcare
is going to be taken away by a bill that
has nothing to do with them. It's really not okay.
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And this is one of the problems that our country
is running off a fiscal train collapse right we are
in massive amounts of debt. We're going to explode the
budget even worse, which is one of the reasons I'm
against the big beautiful bill, and it's massive tax cuts
and all this stuff that we really can't afford. But
at some point you will have to cut some programs,
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and when you do, you have to have an honest
conversation about the costs and benefits of what's being cut,
not lie to people and emotionally blackmails. You can never
cut anything, or they will emotionally blackmail you with completely
unrelated sob stories like we can't have a functioning debate,
a healthy debate in a democratic society when people engage
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in this, and democrats and progressive media do it every
time any program is ever discussed, even the most minor cuts,
and it drives me insane. And I think it's fundamentally
profoundly disrespectful to the actual disabled people involved. That's my
take on it. You guys, let me know what you think. Meanwhile, guys,
we got to talk about the latest segment going viral
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on Fox News, which is one of the dumbest and
most embarrassing things I've seen. Like, my expectations for cable
news are so low these days. It's like, what's that
game where you're all like trying to go under the
Is it limbo? I don't know where. You're all like
trying to go lower and the bargets lower and you
have to go under it. I'm terrible at it because
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I'm big and lanky and not flexible. But that's basically
what cable news is a game of limbo, where idiots
are constantly competing with each other to say the most
deranged and embarrassing and incorrect things imaginable about US politics.
And this latest segment from Fox News is no exception.
So here is Turning Point. USA correspondent Monica Page speaking
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on Fox News, making a series of dubious claims. Let's
take a listen.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
I just think it's interesting that all of a sudden
people voted for Thomas Massey, Like, I don't remember voting
for Thomas Massey with this. I remember voting for Donald
Trump to get this bill passed.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And I feel like a lot.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Of Americans who voted for Donald Trump feel the same way,
especially not only with Thomas Massey, but a lot of
the other Republicans who are kind of leaning towards No.
They didn't vote for the for these congress people. They
voted for President Trump. They voted for this mandate. And
if you're going to vote no on this, then you're
voting along with Democrats, especially Democrats like Maxine Dexter, who
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was on the Hill today dressed in a white robe,
who also visited El Salvador to go see kill mar
Brego Garcia who killed Americans. This is something that a
lot of people are passionate about passing. If you're not
siding with Republicans, and unfortunately you're siding with Democrats anti America.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Kay, so you you just did a defamation kil Mayer,
Brigo Garcia refers to the illegal immigrant who was living
in Maryland who was swept up by the Trump administration
and sent to El Salvador, and listen, he is accused
of serious crimes. He is not accused of murdering anyone.
That's not a fact that even the government has alleged
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against him. So, I mean, if you're going to be
a correspondent and beyond the biggest cable news channel, you
should probably get your facts straight and not casually accused
people of being murderers who are not. Now, she took
to x to post kind of a quasi apology afterwards,
but still, I mean, yikes, that's a bad mistake to make.
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But I mean, we do all misspeak, I suppose. So whatever,
the actual substance of what she says in this clip
is brain debt, hyper partisan nonsense. I don't remember voting
in for Thomas Massey, referring to the Republican congressman who
is opposing the big beautiful bill. Well, that's because you're
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you don't live in his district in Kentucky, a whole
district did vote to elect him. That's why he's in Congress.
Same with the other members who were elected to Congress
and are now not supporting this bill. And in fact,
many of them were elected specifically on promises to not
add to the national debt, to restore fiscal sanity, to
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bring the debt back down, and people like him actually
want to do that, So they're not going to vote
for this massive boondoggle bill that has all these special
carve outs and all this unpaid for revenue loss that
will explode the national debt. They are actually fulfilling what
they promised to voters. And that the fact that oh,
they're agreeing with Democrats that inherently makes them bad just
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is a find that you're just engaging in partisan, tribalist
brain rot, not actual thinking. Yes, sometimes you may vote
on the same side as somebody who is a Democrat.
That doesn't make you wrong unless you actually think that
one side of the aisle is one hundred percent of
the time correct about everything, in which case I have
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a bridge to sell you, and it doesn't make you
anti American to not want to drown future generations of
Americans in trillions of dollars of debt. This is like,
I mean, you can support the bill, you can oppose
the bill. We can have a good faith conversation. No
one is obligated to pass the bill just because Trump
wants it passed. He is not our king, he's not
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our daddy. He might be your daddy, he's not my daddy.
He's not Thomas Massey's daddy, right, because they were actually
elected and in fact, Trump campaigned on reducing the deficit,
reducing the debt, balancing the budget, and now he's promoting
legislation that does not do that. So you could even
say when you say, well, he was elected with a
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but the mandate wasn't this. It was not this bill.
I was just not impressed at all with this clip
for so many reasons, but it wasn't a one off.
Fox News contributor Jason Schabez, who used to be a
member of Congress, said something similar. Let's take a look.
And so you can be either vote with the AOC
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or you can vote with Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
So don't tell me that you're a conservative.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
If you're not with Donald Trump, that's not gonna fly.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You're never coming back, and shame on you.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
And you get on that plane and try to go
home and try to tell everybody I stood tough.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, I got these big Instagram muscles.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Look out tough I am on Twitter, Well.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You don't support the president.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's just not going.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
On clicks, Jason, everyone's looking for a click again.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
This is such partisan slop, like, no real attempt to
argue for the bill here. Just vote with Trump where
you're bad. What is this a cult? No? I mean,
here's the thing I promise you. When this dude was
in Congress, he voted on many bills where he agreed
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with Democrats. Democrats also voted on the bill. That doesn't
mean he was wrong to cast those votes. Doesn't mean
he was a trader. I'm sure that you know. He
also probably voted against other Republicans on some issues, because
that's what you're supposed to do as an elected official,
is vote for what you think is right, not just
blindly bend to the will of a dear leader in
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any party. And if the argument is that voting with
Trump to explode the national debt by trillions of dollars
is conservative and voting with AOC to not do that
is leftist, then okay, words have no meaning anymore. I
mean words have no meaning at that point. Again, like AOC,
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a broken clock can be right twice a day simply
citing the fact that she is against this bill for
reasons other than the reasons that the fiscal Hawk oppose it.
By the way, totally different reasons doesn't mean that you're
wrong to oppose it. You cannot reduce the complexity of
politics to one side, always wrong, always bad. Vote for
dear leader what he say? Good? Well, I guess you can.
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But you just can't expect thinking people to respect you
or take you seriously. All Right, guys, I can't handle
any of more of this, all this nonsense today. Thank
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with that we will talk again. Real stick
Guys, they're throwing the deporties out of the planes and
into the ocean. No, this is not a drill. No
this is not fear mongering. They're shackling.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
TikTok videos are going mega viral accusing Trump of literal
war crimes with incredibly flimsy evidence. We're gonna break this
down in so much more on today's episode of the
Barad Versus Everyone podcast. My daily show will retake on
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the craziest ideas from across the Internet, our media, and
our politics, all from an independent perspective. Guys, welcome back
to the show. Welcome back to my kitchen setup, the
only part of the apartment we've actually cleaned or organized
it all, so it looks okay in this shot, But
if you could see around the room, guys, yikes. Anyway,
up first, I almost this almost stunned me, like it
(00:56):
was almost a new low, And I didn't really I
could still be stunned. I didn't realize there was a
new level of unhinged conspiratorial depravity left out there on
the Internet to leave me truly breathless. But the latest
TikTok conspiracy theory this time is an anti Trump kind
of panicked theory. It actually did stun me that people
(01:20):
could convince themselves of this and have it go so
viral based on just the most baseless conjecture and easily
debunked evidence. TikTok influencers are actually claiming in videos racking
up millions of views and hundreds of thousands of likes,
that Trump is feeding immigrants to sharks by flying them
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out into the middle of the ocean and pushing them
out of an airplane, and that their bodies are washing
up on shore in Europe. This is actually the narrative
going super viral. Take a look at this first clip
with me.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Guys, they're throwing the deporties out of the planes and
into the ocean. No, this is not a drill. No,
this is not fear mongering. They're shackling people flying out
into open ocean and throwing them out. Okay, the flight patterns,
there's people tracking them on this app the flights going
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out with the deep orties, watching them go out to
open ocean and circle back. A family in Italy saw
five shackled bodies wash up on the shore. No, but seriously,
on everything that you stand for, whether it's bullshit, consumerist,
(02:40):
propaganda or actual leftist good values, or whatever the fuck
it is you believe in. Things are getting serious.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So there have always been people in society with untreated
psychiatric disorders, and what we have unfortunately, rather fortunately developed
medications that can treat severe psychosis. They sometimes don't take
their medicine, and that's always been a problem. But now
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we give these people cameras and spotlights and they go viral.
This video had millions of views and over eight hundred
thousand likes, all based on utter nonsense the ravings of
a mad woman that I will debunk after we introduce
a few more of these videos. So you see it's
not just one video, it's an entire narrative being spread
(03:33):
across the Internet. Here's a second video that has, as
the time of this recording, over one point eight million views.
Let's take a look.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
People tracking the ice deportation flights have found that some
of them are just flying to the middle of the
ocean and turning around and coming right back. Also, bodies
are washing up on the shores of Spain, cuffed and shackled,
you know the way we saw them getting onto those planes. Also,
through Dam launched an investigation because a planeload of their
people never arrived and they're still unaccounted for. It's been
about a month. Do you remember learning about the death
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flights during Argentina's Dirty War in the seventies and early eighties,
when they'd fly out to the middle of the ocean
and throw people out of airplanes. Because taxpayers were pressing
Trump on why he insisted on using those military cargo planes,
you know, the ones those doors open in flight for
things like air drops. When they coused ten times as
much to operate, they don't see as many people. It
was just inefficient, and he insisted on using them instead
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of you know, the commercial planes we've always used.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And I think we might know why now. And I've
got to say it's.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Shockingly horrifying, and I'm not easily surprised. I don't lack imagination,
all right, I it would have been nice to live
in precedented times, you know, at any fucking point, I
didn't think I was going to live to see the
American dream die and become a horrific nightmare. But I
think that's where we're at, guys, Because I did a
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deep dive wanting to disprove it, and all I found
was mountains of evidence. So you know, did we all
die when and kicked on the hydron collider? And is
this hell? Because if this was hell, I mean, it's
not any more enjoyable, but at least you would add
it would make sense.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Like, are you in hell? Is this hell?
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You might be? Wow. There's a lot there, and we
will unpack these claims one by one. By the way,
but it's not just miss eyebrows here who really believes
this because of all her research and all her evidence.
In the comment section, it's just full of people buying
this hook line and sinker. Somebody wrote, am I horrified? Yes?
(05:37):
Am I surprised? Sadly no? And that comment has been
liked ninety eight thousand times, So ninety eight thousand people
saw that comment and we're like, yes, I agree. Somebody
else wrote war criminal crimes against humanity thirty thousand likes.
Another person said we said never again, but here we
are again five thousand, nine undred twenty nine lights. Some
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of these videos making the same claim are just weird,
like this one. They can avocado.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Ice is dropping migrants out of cargo planes while shackled
over the ocean, leaving them to die.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
This next one is slightly different, but it's kind of
a similar theme, so I just want to lump it
in here and talk about it as well. This is
about the Alligator Alcatraz ice immigration detention facility that they're
building in Florida. Let's take a look at this this increase.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
You don't know what's going on. A girl on TikTok
came on here and said that one of her neighbors
received a government contract asking them to install a bunch
of incinerators at Alligator Alcatraz. They're installing incinerators at Alligator Alcatraz.
Alligator Alcatraz is on indigenous land. It's like protected land.
(07:04):
Do you understand what's going on right now?
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Video has three million views where and people are eating
it up. In the comments section. They are seriously suggesting
that they are installing incinerators to burn bodies in Alligator Alcatraz,
the new immigrant detention facility in Florida. And their evidence
for this is this woman reporting that Another girl on
(07:30):
TikTok says that one of her neighbors received a government
contract requesting them to build incinerators at Alligator Alcatraz. That
is not information that is not news. That is like
three times levels of hearsay gossip, and where is this contract?
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If this was true, it wouldn't be very difficult for
this neighbor who actually received the contract to approach the
Miami Herald or CNN or MSNBC and say, listen, I
got this contract. Those meat outlets would verify it and
then they would run with it, and they would love
to run with it. They haven't done that because this
either isn't a thing and didn't happen and has just
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been transformed through multi levels of telephone game into something
that TikTokers are now yapping about to millions of gullible people,
or they're just like if there is a grain of
truth to it, they're like concinerators for trash, not actually
something controversial or strange. If you're going to make extraordinary
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claims to millions of people online, you should probably have
extraordinary evidence, or at least some evidence at all. Now
we're going to get into these specifics of the main
conspiracy theory here about the immigrants being dropped off in
the middle of the ocean, pushed out of airplanes and
fed to sharks or whatever. I don't know why i'd
(08:59):
subject myself to this, but I do for your entertainment,
all right, because y'all are kind of sick. But I
went and I did some research on this to see
is there any truth to this, because of course, if
this was true, this would be horrible, And I've been
critical of the way the Trump administration has handled some
illegal immigrants or you know, even alleged illegal immigrants that
they haven't gotten fair due process treatment. Still, though, the
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idea that they are dropping them off in the middle
of the ocean and pushing them out of planes is extreme,
sounds far fetched, and once again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Yet every piece of evidence these people have provided for
this theory isn't true. Some of them don't even know
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the basic facts of the things they're referencing as proof.
For example, the TikToker who said bodies are washing up
in Italy, No, there reports that I found of bodies
washing up of people in shackles are from Spain, not Italy,
so you don't even know necessarily know what you're talking about.
More importantly, even the liberal leading fact checker Snopes pointed
(10:06):
out that there is no evidence connecting these bodies to
anything related to the Trump administration or even America at all.
Their article reads that in June of twenty twenty five,
reports circulated about several bodies that washed up on the
shores of the Bailearic Holiday islands of Ebiza and Formina
with their hands and feet tied together. The Spanish Civil
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Guard opened investigation into the deaths, suspected to be murders.
At the time of this writing, according to local reports,
officials recovered the first bound body on May eighteenth of
twenty twenty five. According to Diario de Majorca, a local newspaper,
at least five bodies washed up on Baalieric Island beaches
by the end of June. Police suspected the deaths were
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connected to people smuggling and migrants attempting to cross into
Europe from Northern Africa. On June thirtieth, authorities in Ibiza
said police believe the deceased war quote on a boat
that arrived in Alicante. According to local reports, so this
is a sad story and has to do with serious
issues like human trafficking, but there's no evidence linking it
to Trump or immigration. It's something happening over there, not
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happening because they're flying planes out in the middle of
the ocean and pushing people and then their bodies are
that's a whole lot by the way, that it's just
kind of an insane theory to begin with, but also
it's quite a long trip all the way into the
middle of the Atlantic Ocean and then quite a far
away for bodies to wash up. I mean, just the
whole thing is far fetched to begin with. And then
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they're presenting this evidence that has a totally different, entirely
plausible explanation. Same thing with all these receipts they claim
to have that show suspicious flight patterns of deportation flights
going out into the middle of the ocean and then back.
These are are most likely either fabric or they're looking
(12:01):
at real flight patterns, but they don't understand what they're
looking at. A fact checker for Lead Stories spoke to
someone named Tom Cartwright, and you have to understan who
Tom Cartwright is. He is a liberal leaning, fierce critic
of Trump's immigration policies who deportation flights aren't. The information
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is not very easily accessible to the public about where
they go, but he pieces it together and then creates
a database that is then used largely to criticize the
Trump administration's immigration policies, which he openly rails against. However,
the fact checkers asked him about this outlandish story of
deportation flights going into the middle of the ocean then
(12:43):
turning right back around, and here is what he said
on the claim that flight trackers had zeroed in on
deportation flights that had circled around in the middle of
the ocean. Tom Cartwright, a retired financial executive who has
been tracking deportation flights since Trump's first presidency and whose
data has been used by major media organizations, told Leads
Stories via email based on my work and observations, this
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is all garbage. He added that no such app exists
to track all deportation flights in real time, and when
specifically asked if he observed any unusual circular movements over
the ocean, Cartwright said, I see all deportation flight paths
and no. So all the major points of evidence and
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receipts so that these people have provided to supposedly support
these outlandish claims are totally debunked and don't remotely prove
the outlandish and extreme accusations they're throwing around to millions
of people on the Internet. This is really really concerning
to me on a couple levels. One, just like the
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media literacy aspect of this. How impressionable people are They
really think that something like this would happen. And No,
not a single one of the media outlets on the
l left that hates Trump would report on it, right,
none of them would report on it. No real journalists.
But this lady on TikTok looking at screenshots of flight patterns,
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she totally understands, has it all figured out seriously all
you don't think any more critically than that. And it
also discredits whatever legit critiques or complaints you might have
about Trump's handling of immigration stuff, which certainly has been
controversial and I've criticized on this show. When you're just
bringing up absurd conspiracy theories and misleading millions of people
(14:31):
and scaring them, that's the other problem I have with this.
If what they were talking about was actually true or
even like remotely based in reality rather than to Lulu Land,
then you would be talking about a Nazi like regime
doing this to people, to immigrants, And if millions of
people are believing them all it takes is a couple
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of those people to be unhinged or crazy, and they
might take some pretty drastic, violent steps based on this
totally fault conspiracy theory they believe because they saw TikTok
videos about it, And that would be horrible. And when
you have a major platform, or you post videos on
the Internet where they can go viral, you have a
(15:12):
responsibility to be No one's gonna be perfect. Some people
are gonna make mistakes, they'll make errors, but just to
spread baseless crap like this with no basic research, fact
checking or verification and scare millions of potentially unstable people,
I mean, you're committing a real act of social sabotage
when you do stuff like this. And these people deserve shame,
(15:37):
not the kind of bizarre praise and attaboys and viral
reward in the attention economy that they're getting for this stuff.
It's really terrible. What do you guys think? Have you
seen this organically in your feeds? Do let me know
in the comments. I love hearing what you guys have
to say. I always do take the time to read
the comments as much as I can. I get too
many of these days I used to read every single one,
(15:58):
but now I really can't, but I do take the
time to look, so comment with your thoughts down below.
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we're going to yap about something that's really been pissing
me off, because there's this ongoing debate over the Big
Beautiful Bill. These so called Big Beautiful Bill, really I
think is kind of a big ugly bill in many ways.
But Democrats are doing something that really bothers me. There
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are cuts to Medicaid in this bill.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
So, Medicaid is the government health insurance program that was
originally for disabled and the poor but has really expanded
and now covers lots of people. There are some significant
but like not huge cuts to it in the Big
beautiful bill, and several million people would lose access to Medicaid. However,
these people are who would be losing access are primarily
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people who would be subject to the work requirements, or
to additional verification checks or other things like that that
we can debate the merits of. But one thing Republicans
are not in fact doing is kicking disabled children off
of government healthcare. Yet that's actually like the narrative that
a lot of liberals and Democrats are running with to
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smear and shut down any dissenting voice or any advocacy,
that these programs, which are by the way, driving us
off a financial physical cliff, be pared back at all.
Anytime they do that, you try to do that, they
hit you with the most just dishonest, emotional blackmail imaginable.
Let's look at this video posted by Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar,
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where she wrote, thanks to Medicaid, Dan's daughter Claire is
able to get the at home care she requires without
their family worrying about hundreds of thousands of dollars in
medical bills. Who the big beautiful betrayal will hurt the most.
Let's watch this video.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Well, hello, everybody, you know my name is Dan Smith.
But more importantly, this is my daughter, Claire Smith.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Hi, Claire.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
You know where a lot of Americans don't know is
that Medicaid covers them. It doesn't just cover people that
they may know in their you know, communities or where
they work. It covers them as well. I was someone
who never thought I was covered by Medicaid and tell
the birth of my daughter Claire. You know, I'm someone
who has employment based health insurance like most Americans do
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who have health insurance. Caid serves as a secondary sure
for my daughter to pick up unfortunately, hundreds of thousands
of dollars in the cases of some years of expenses
that aren't covered by my employment based health insurance.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
So this video really pissed me off, and the way
that it was shared by Amy Klobuchar really pissed me
off because Claire is it's not affected by any of
the cuts in the big beautiful bill, which I don't
even support. But like, I just know what facts are
the cuts to Medicaid affect able bodied adults primarily, there
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is nothing cutting services or coverage for disabled children. That's
not a thing. So you're lying when you say this
is who the big beautiful bill will hurt the most.
You're just lying because Senator Amy Klobuchar, she has a
staff of legislative aids who have read this bill and
know what it does and doesn't do. So what you
are doing is lying to the public and emotionally manipulating
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and gaslighting us, exploiting a disabled child to do it.
That is messed up, and it's not okay, and it's
not an honest way to engage in debate. If anything,
the people like Claire are an example of who Medicaid
was meant to serve, the truly indigent, the truly disabled children,
these kinds of things, and who it needs to be
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preserved in order to keep helping. And if it just
continues to grow unabated and continues to have all these
able bodied adults on it, I think it's estimated five
million that could potentially get jobs that currently don't work
that are able bodied adults covered on this Those are
people with whom she is competing for care with who
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also have Medicaid and can get benefits and get limited
provider attention. And these are people for whom are creating
a financial drain on a system, creating problems where there
may need to be cuts that actually would affect someone
like Claire, So the whole thing is just so dishonest.
But it's not just one example. They do this anytime
you try to cut anything. They find the most emotionally
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compelling examples, with zero regard to whether they have anything
to do with the actual reforms or cuts being proposed.
Here's another video, this one from the Midas Touch Network
emotionally manipulating us as well.
Speaker 7 (20:53):
Hello Ben, and thank you to Mida's Touch for letting
us share our story. I'm Sarah Blum Anderson and this
is my daughter, Audrey. We live in Hilliard outside of Columbus, Ohio,
and Representative Mike Carries fifteenth Congressional District. Audrey is thirteen
years old and she's loved in our family. We're so
lucky to have her. She's compassionate and loving and an
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amazing friend. Audrey has an active life. She dances, she
rides horses, and she plays baseball.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Audrey also has.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Pure Syndrome, a rare genetic disorder. She has intellectual disabilities, seizures,
mobility issues, cerebral palsy, and she's nonverbal but very expressive.
Medicaid provides a lot in our lives. Gtube supplies her wheelchair,
her speech device, but it also provides a caregiver for
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Audrey so that her father and I can work outside
of the house and instead of caring and spending all
of our time just with Audrey. Medically complex and intellectually
disabled kids like Audrey in the past were institutionalized and
live at home where they are beloved. They didn't attend
school where they could socialize and learn life skills. They
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didn't get to be part of their communities where they
are invaluable contributors. When Audrey grows up, she'll need Medicaid too.
Medicaid provides for adult day and work programs. She will
be able to be part of our community with the
people who love and care about her. Audrey's life is
valuable as much as any other child. Audrey's life is big.
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She doesn't need words to be a good friend, she
doesn't need to run a marathon to be able to dance,
and she doesn't need a job to be an anchor
in our community. But she does need Medicaid.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
So wow, I mean, my heart goes out to this
family and Audrey does seem like you know, a beautiful
spirit and her family. I admire them because it can't
be easy, but it sounds like they're doing the best
their best with having you know, this kind of of
rare disorder. And I don't even blame this mom because
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she doesn't understand politics or policy. She was asked by
Midas Touch Network, a liberal leading network, to do this,
But to them, I say, for you, like, seriously, what
the dishonesty. Nothing? Nothing in the GOP's bill would take
Medicaid away from people like Audrey. Nothing, not a thing.
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Work requirements for able bodied adults that are expected to
result in millions of people leaving the Medicaid roles. We
can debate that, but they absolutely have exceptions for people
with disabilities that Audrey will qualify for as an adult
and as a child that doesn't even currently apply to her.
But even when she's an adult, these services are not
being cut or targeted by this bill. So all you're
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doing is exploiting a severely disabled child to engage in
emotional blackmail to target your political opponents to try to
stop essentially unrelated cuts to the Medicaid program. I find
that honestly despicable and disingenuous and really horrible from any
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kind of media network, no matter their bias, just to
engage in that kind of thing. And it's a terrible, terrible,
terrible way to exploit somebody with a disability, to try
to use them for your partisan purposes and lie. You're
scaring this disabled family with a lie that their healthcare
is going to be taken away by a bill that
has nothing to do with them. It's really not okay.
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And this is one of the problems that our country
is running off a fiscal train collapse right we are
in massive amounts of debt. We're going to explode the
budget even worse, which is one of the reasons I'm
against the big beautiful bill, and it's massive tax cuts
and all this stuff that we really can't afford. But
at some point you will have to cut some programs,
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and when you do, you have to have an honest
conversation about the costs and benefits of what's being cut,
not lie to people and emotionally blackmails. You can never
cut anything, or they will emotionally blackmail you with completely
unrelated sob stories like we can't have a functioning debate,
a healthy debate in a democratic society when people engage
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in this, and democrats and progressive media do it every
time any program is ever discussed, even the most minor cuts,
and it drives me insane. And I think it's fundamentally
profoundly disrespectful to the actual disabled people involved. That's my
take on it. You guys, let me know what you think. Meanwhile, guys,
we got to talk about the latest segment going viral
(25:33):
on Fox News, which is one of the dumbest and
most embarrassing things I've seen. Like, my expectations for cable
news are so low these days. It's like, what's that
game where you're all like trying to go under the
Is it limbo? I don't know where. You're all like
trying to go lower and the bargets lower and you
have to go under it. I'm terrible at it because
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I'm big and lanky and not flexible. But that's basically
what cable news is a game of limbo, where idiots
are constantly competing with each other to say the most
deranged and embarrassing and incorrect things imaginable about US politics.
And this latest segment from Fox News is no exception.
So here is Turning Point. USA correspondent Monica Page speaking
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on Fox News, making a series of dubious claims. Let's
take a listen.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
I just think it's interesting that all of a sudden
people voted for Thomas Massey, Like, I don't remember voting
for Thomas Massey with this. I remember voting for Donald
Trump to get this bill passed.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
And I feel like a lot.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
Of Americans who voted for Donald Trump feel the same way,
especially not only with Thomas Massey, but a lot of
the other Republicans who are kind of leaning towards No.
They didn't vote for the for these congress people. They
voted for President Trump. They voted for this mandate. And
if you're going to vote no on this, then you're
voting along with Democrats, especially Democrats like Maxine Dexter, who
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was on the Hill today dressed in a white robe,
who also visited El Salvador to go see kill mar
Brego Garcia who killed Americans. This is something that a
lot of people are passionate about passing. If you're not
siding with Republicans, and unfortunately you're siding with Democrats anti America.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Kay, so you you just did a defamation kil Mayer,
Brigo Garcia refers to the illegal immigrant who was living
in Maryland who was swept up by the Trump administration
and sent to El Salvador, and listen, he is accused
of serious crimes. He is not accused of murdering anyone.
That's not a fact that even the government has alleged
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against him. So, I mean, if you're going to be
a correspondent and beyond the biggest cable news channel, you
should probably get your facts straight and not casually accused
people of being murderers who are not. Now, she took
to x to post kind of a quasi apology afterwards,
but still, I mean, yikes, that's a bad mistake to make.
(27:53):
But I mean, we do all misspeak, I suppose. So whatever,
the actual substance of what she says in this clip
is brain debt, hyper partisan nonsense. I don't remember voting
in for Thomas Massey, referring to the Republican congressman who
is opposing the big beautiful bill. Well, that's because you're
(28:14):
you don't live in his district in Kentucky, a whole
district did vote to elect him. That's why he's in Congress.
Same with the other members who were elected to Congress
and are now not supporting this bill. And in fact,
many of them were elected specifically on promises to not
add to the national debt, to restore fiscal sanity, to
(28:36):
bring the debt back down, and people like him actually
want to do that, So they're not going to vote
for this massive boondoggle bill that has all these special
carve outs and all this unpaid for revenue loss that
will explode the national debt. They are actually fulfilling what
they promised to voters. And that the fact that oh,
they're agreeing with Democrats that inherently makes them bad just
(28:59):
is a find that you're just engaging in partisan, tribalist
brain rot, not actual thinking. Yes, sometimes you may vote
on the same side as somebody who is a Democrat.
That doesn't make you wrong unless you actually think that
one side of the aisle is one hundred percent of
the time correct about everything, in which case I have
(29:19):
a bridge to sell you, and it doesn't make you
anti American to not want to drown future generations of
Americans in trillions of dollars of debt. This is like,
I mean, you can support the bill, you can oppose
the bill. We can have a good faith conversation. No
one is obligated to pass the bill just because Trump
wants it passed. He is not our king, he's not
(29:40):
our daddy. He might be your daddy, he's not my daddy.
He's not Thomas Massey's daddy, right, because they were actually
elected and in fact, Trump campaigned on reducing the deficit,
reducing the debt, balancing the budget, and now he's promoting
legislation that does not do that. So you could even
say when you say, well, he was elected with a
(30:00):
but the mandate wasn't this. It was not this bill.
I was just not impressed at all with this clip
for so many reasons, but it wasn't a one off.
Fox News contributor Jason Schabez, who used to be a
member of Congress, said something similar. Let's take a look.
And so you can be either vote with the AOC
(30:22):
or you can vote with Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
So don't tell me that you're a conservative.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
If you're not with Donald Trump, that's not gonna fly.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
You're never coming back, and shame on you.
Speaker 7 (30:33):
And you get on that plane and try to go
home and try to tell everybody I stood tough.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, I got these big Instagram muscles.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Look out tough I am on Twitter, Well.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You don't support the president.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's just not going.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
On clicks, Jason, everyone's looking for a click again.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
This is such partisan slop, like, no real attempt to
argue for the bill here. Just vote with Trump where
you're bad. What is this a cult? No? I mean,
here's the thing I promise you. When this dude was
in Congress, he voted on many bills where he agreed
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with Democrats. Democrats also voted on the bill. That doesn't
mean he was wrong to cast those votes. Doesn't mean
he was a trader. I'm sure that you know. He
also probably voted against other Republicans on some issues, because
that's what you're supposed to do as an elected official,
is vote for what you think is right, not just
blindly bend to the will of a dear leader in
(31:31):
any party. And if the argument is that voting with
Trump to explode the national debt by trillions of dollars
is conservative and voting with AOC to not do that
is leftist, then okay, words have no meaning anymore. I
mean words have no meaning at that point. Again, like AOC,
(31:53):
a broken clock can be right twice a day simply
citing the fact that she is against this bill for
reasons other than the reasons that the fiscal Hawk oppose it.
By the way, totally different reasons doesn't mean that you're
wrong to oppose it. You cannot reduce the complexity of
politics to one side, always wrong, always bad. Vote for
dear leader what he say? Good? Well, I guess you can.
(32:14):
But you just can't expect thinking people to respect you
or take you seriously. All Right, guys, I can't handle
any of more of this, all this nonsense today. Thank
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