December 9, 2025 • 24 mins
Far-right star Nick Fuentes just did an astonishing interview with Piers Morgan that's going viral. I break it down in this episode of the Brad vs Everyone podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's one hundred percent Trol. Everything I said in that
clip is.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
True, including that blacks need to be imprisoned for the
most part.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Uh yeah, well that was interesting.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
We're going to break down some interesting moments from Piers
Morgan's a big interview with the alt right superstar and
internet kind of rising influencer commentator Troll and more, Nick
Fuentes and all of that on today's episode of The
Barat Versus Everyone podcast, my daily show where we tackle
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the craziest stories from across the Internet and social media,
all from an independent perspective. And Guys, I was glad
to see that Peers was going to do an interview
with Nick Quentes because whether you agree with Peers or not,
and I agree with a lot of stuff that he says,
not everything, of course, what he does do is hold
people to account. He's a tough interviewer, notoriously so. And
(01:05):
after the softball interviews people have done with Nick Quentes,
like Tucker Carlson, who basically just gave the kid a
tongue bath in a really kind of obsequious and obnoxious way.
In my view, at least I want to see him
held to account and forced to explain some of his views.
I don't think you should be banned or censored or
deplatformed or anything like that. But I think given the radicalism,
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extremism and hatefulness of a lot of the things that
Nick says, that interviews with him should be tough and
should be adversarial and he should be forced to explain himself.
And that's what Peers did. Now, parts of the interview
went well for Nick. He is frankly incredibly funny and charismatic.
A couple of his jokes and his sarcasm or his
points actually went over Peers's head. Maybe Peers is not
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quite online enough or in touch with some of the
kind of far right memes or jokes that they make.
But there were also some moments where Peers I think,
really exposed who Nick fuent As is in a way
that I don't think reflects well on him at all.
And we're going to go over some of those and discuss.
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Of course, you know, there's a lot I won't get
to in this. Nick doubled down on the fact that
he loves Hitler, thinks Hitler is cool. I think that's evil.
I think that's disgusting, of course, and so many other
things from the interview we could talk about. He apparently
believes that if white people become a minority in America
that is a genocide, like if it just happens through
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racial intermixing and births and immigration, even though no one's dying,
which is kind of a wild, wild genocide where no
one gets killed. But anyway, let's talk about this this clip,
which I actually think is one of the most meaningful
clips of the entire interview, where Nick is presented with
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one of his most iconic in a value neutral way. Like,
obviously I think it's a disgusting clip in some ways,
but it's also funny, and it's also part of his
brand and what he's known for. Here's that clip that
he doubles down on despite it being pretty obviously hateful
in my view, at least, let's watch.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
No, it's not the Jews. No it's not women. No
it's not blacks. It's actually really complicated. No, if it
isn't at all, Jews are running society. Women need to
shut the fuck up, Blacks need to be imprisoned for
the most part, and we would live in paradise.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's that simple, Okay, would you like to clarify what
you meant.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Then that's all true. That's one hundred percent true. Everything
I said in that clip is true.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Including that blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Uh yeah, yes, wow.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
For honesty, I guess. But here's one of the useful
things about this interview Nick. A lot of times supporters
of Nick are apologize apologists for him, will say, well,
he's just joking, he's just trolling, he's just edgelording. No,
he stands on business on this hateful, extremist nonsense saying
most black people should be in prison. Women just need
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to shut up as if they are not equal citizens
and participants in our country. And yeah, so he says, no,
I'm not joking. I stand by that. So for me,
that alone is useful because he is saying, you know,
he's taking that excuse away for the people to say
he's just joking with his more extreme and more vile statements.
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He isn't. And it's obvious if you're willing to listen
and look. So, guys, let's listen to what Nick says next,
which I think is important because it reveals that like
a little bit of sunlight on this guy and He
really cannot withstand the scrutiny, and he does not actually
have any substantiation to the edgy extreme things he says,
like most black people should be in prison, casually suggesting
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that millions of people should be in prison in this community. Yeah,
he can't actually defend that, and he crumbles immediately when
Pierce presses him on it.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Let's listen, yes, well all of them, No, for the
most part.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
What is the most part?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Mean?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What percentage of American Blacks would you like to see
in prison?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Whatever? The percentages of the murderers. I think it's one
in twenty black men will commit a murder in their lifetime,
So maybe let's say that five percent.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh so you're talking about black people who murder people?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, oh absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You didn't say that. You just say blacks need to
be imprisoned for the most part. You didn't clarify that
you were talking about black.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Murderers, right, right, No, you're right. That's a good addition
to that. That's a great point. Do you think it's
Do you think it's funny or I think yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I do.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I think it's hilarious. I think it's totally true.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Do you think black American would find it funny. I
think that black should be imprisoned for the most.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So there's something called a Matin Bailey routine, where you
take in a an extreme position, but then when you're
pressed on it and you are challenged on it, you
retreat to a much more defensible position. And it's wild
to see Nick just totally abandon his original position that
he just affirmatively agreed to. He said, yes, I wasn't joking.
(06:24):
I do mean that. Well, actually, what I meant was
that black murderers should be in jail, sir. What no
one disagrees with that. That is not a controversial or
hot take. Now he estimates I think one in twenty
so five percent of black men committing murder over their lifetimes.
I don't think that's an accurate statistic. I tried to
find that statistic and I couldn't. When he was pressed
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on it, he cited some random account on Twitter, not
like an actual statistic or source. But even accepting that
at face value, Okay, well, so what you actually mean
to say is that ninety five percent of black men
should not be imprisoned and ninety nine point nine percent
of black women. Because I mean I don't know the
actual number, but very few black women commit murder should
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be imprisoned, So what actually, most black people shouldn't be imprisoned.
You see how he just totally abandoned his statement. It's
like he I think, what's so revealing about this passage
is that he just totally abandoned the stance. He repeatedly
takes the character he plays on his live streams to
be an edge lord and toatrol people and can't actually
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defend the position, so retreats to something totally anodyne and uncontroversial. Oh,
put people who murder people in jail, No shit, Nick,
No one really disagrees with that. But what you do
is you troll and say these extreme statements for attention
and you can't actually defend them. And then the funny
thing is he genuinely thinks his audience is stupid and
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won't notice. Like that clip that I just showed you
was shared by one of his symp accounts on called
Fuentes Updates that just posts clips of Nick all day
and glazes him. Well, this account shared this clip with
the whole thing attached that I just played for you
and was like, Haha, look at Nick doubling down and
saying most black should be in prison, as if they
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don't understand that he he just admitted that that's ridiculous,
and he just totally abandoned that position, and he just
let the mask slip on the character that he plays.
He is a charismatic guy. He is a funny guy,
and he plays an evil character on TV to take
dumb people's money and garner himself an audience and sympathy.
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And then the craziest thing about him is that he's
actually very smart. And it's whenever I watch him, it
is obvious that he is regular that he hates his audience,
he hates the people that watch him. He's constantly insulting them,
and he's constantly talking about things in a way like
this where he is kind of verbally winking and nodding
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to the that he thinks they're all very stupid without
saying so, and just counting on the fact that they
won't pick up on it. This is an example of that.
What you just saw was Nick fuent As letting the
mask slip, revealing that he is a fraud, revealing that
he knows the things that he says are absurd and ridiculous.
He can't actually defend them, and he is simply cashing
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in on both for more for relevancy than for money.
Though he's now making a lot of money, but for
a long time he wasn't. He is exploiting a group
of sad people. Really, I think the Groypers tend to
be sad people. They tend to be people who are
not doing well in life for various reasons. He appeals
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to their victim a mentality, He appeals to their woes.
He tells them it's not their fault. He's fundamentally quite
woke actually in that sense that he is putting forward
a victim narrative and telling people it's not their fault.
Someone else is to blame for their problems. But he
is a charlatan. He is the Robin DiAngelo of the
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old right, the white fragility author a right who goes
around and does race drifting in the woke direction. And
I think that became very clear from this interview and
from this clip. And there's so much more actually, but guys,
do make sure subscribe to who Are You, hit the
like button, comment with your thoughts as we go along here,
and now we're going to get to another revealing part
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where Nick discusses his views on women and his relationship
with women in a way that I think A Peers
missed the mark a little bit in his line of questioning.
But Nick did reveal something that I find to be
disqualifying and abhorrent. So let's watch that.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Just to clear up one of the many theories about you.
I have no idea what the answer, Disney. You haven't
got an answer? But are you actually attracted to women?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I am attracted to women.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
No, not the most convincing answer. The little pause didn't help.
Maybe it's just the delay, but whatever. I don't care
about that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But I will say that women are very difficult to
be around. So there's that.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And do you think they should have the right to vote?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I do not know, Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I should stay at home?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
See. Basically it's just a misogynous old donisare aren't he?
For a young guy? I mean, I know I'm the boomer.
I know I'm the boomer here, but actually you're a
twenty seven year old dinosaur, aren't you? Aren't you?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Nathan Enties?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
All women am All women are annoying, All women grow old,
They all get fat, says the guy.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Have you ever had sex?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Absolutely not, Wow, says the guy, You've never got laid.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
So I do understand what Peers is trying to do.
He's trying to paint Nick's attitudes towards women as kind
of a product of his lack of experience or success
on the dating market. But I think that's actually misguided.
I think the last bit like it doesn't matter whether
Nick has said sex or not, and in fact, he's
actually that almost plays well to his benefit because they're
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shaming him for following traditional Catholic beliefs about you know,
no premarital sex and all that. So he's allowed to
play the victim there and say, like we can. I say,
I'm just a guy who tries to live up to
Christ and they judged me for it, and they act
like I'm this goofy and so that's how he spends it,
and it works. His followers do believe that, and also
just doesn't matter. I think what really matters is the
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substance of the views that he says about women, and
I would have liked to see him pressed on that
the way he was about his views on black people,
because what Nick Fuent has doubles down on Here is
just evil. It's just vile. Women shouldn't be able to vote.
You are saying that in entire demographic half of our
country should not be given equal participation and citizenship in
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our nation, in our governor system of government, despite paying taxes,
despite contributing it into exponentially more important ways, many of
them than streamers or YouTubers like myself or Nick, they
don't get to be equal participants in society because if
your lizard brain takes on men and women, or your
open discrimination or animis I mean he admits to being
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a misogynist, and that is defined as somebody who has
disane and prejudice towards women. And any time you have
your advocating for taking away people's rights or just disenfranchising
people based on basically happenstance, something about them, an immutable
demographic trait you can't change. And they didn't choose your evil.
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And that's the important part of this clip, in this
passage with the interview, is that Nick wants to viciously
repress women, and that is never ever something that decent
men should be okay with, and it's never something that
if Republicans and Conservatives allow themselves to kind of embrace
this or sink into their coalition. Yeah, that's going to
be radioactive to half the country that votes and is
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always going to vote. You can't. You're never going to
repeal the Nineteenth Amendment, So you're just it is an
absolute fantasy that is evil and only I think perfectly
poisons the well on half the country as a voting
population for you that you're even entertaining this ridiculous nonsense.
Other than that, though, you're doing amazing, Nick Fuentes. Now,
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one other piece of this interview that I want to
get to is something that's proving quite contentious, is in
kind of the online discussion and aftermath of all of this,
and that is the part where Peers asks Nick about
his father and Piers actually says his father's full name.
And I have mixed feelings on this. I probably wouldn't
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have done this if I was Peers. I'm not sure
I like this, but let's listen, and then we're also
going to listen to Nick kind of playing the victim
afterwards as well on his live stream. So let's listen
to the actual clip from Peers's interview where he brought
up Nick's father running joke.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Me and my sister would say Applebee's, and my dad
would say, we would never eat at Applebee's, not in
a million years. Should you be caught dead when to
said about Applebee's, go to a different restaurant, a local restaurant,
No Applebee's, No red lobster that is commonly known as
black fair. And you also share another story about your
family and restaurants said, before me and my sister were born,
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my family had a saying about olive Garden that contains
the N word that we're not allowed to say. So
my question, based on that anid though that you say
on your own podcast, is do you think you grew
up in a racist environment, that your father was inherently racist,
and that that thought process moved to you.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Well, I would say it's a new loan. I've been
attacked for being a racist many times, But to attack
my father, to attack my parents based on anecdotes, I
would say, that's.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It's your running dough.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, but he's not here to defend himself. You on
my parents, You told the story, and I will to
be clear, it's not an ambush to be cleishing.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'm literally reading an anecdote that you revealed on your podcast.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
So that's not the whole thing. But I think you
understand what happened here from that clip and at the beginning.
I don't think I showed it in this part, but
Piers actually does read out Nick's father's full name, which
of course is easily accessible information. But anytime you do
something like that on a platform that millions of people
are watching, it is going to invite people to uh.
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I don't think Piers wants this, but people will go
look him up and maybe cause problems for him or
harass him. I I am. I'm of two minds on
this because on one hand, I would never have done
this myself. I would have left Nick's family out of it.
I just don't think it's that interesting, and I don't
think it's like the I'm much more interested in the
substance of his views. I understand that peers trying to
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build up to like how did Nick Quentez become who
he is? And that's interesting, But could you have done
it without bringing up his father? This opens up like
a lane, as you will see, for Nick to play
the victim, and there's nothing he loves more than playing
the victim. So he ran through that lane like he's
Bonnie Blue, like the the But at the same time,
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Nick did put this information into the public sphere, which
is what Pierce went back to.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
You're saying, leave my father out of it. You brought
your father up on your live stream and talked about
him at great length and in some kind of maybe
they're jokes, you could say that, but if they're serious,
then obviously you know those are to say, oh, we
don't go to red Lobster. That's where the nwords e
or olive gardener or whatever it was. Yeah, obviously I
think that's kind of messed up and not okay. Again,
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I'm more concerned with Nick Quente's and his message and
his beliefs now rather than stuff from decades ago about
his father, who's a private citizen. But I'm not sure
it's really fair to act scandalized that he brought up
my father when you talk about your father on your
public platform, Like, it's not like he went and dug
up stuff about your father. You put it out there,
and then for Nick to say like, oh, family should
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be off limits, well, which is what he kind of
says in this clip. From his stream. I'm about to
show you is incredibly rich. Let's listen first, then I'll
explain why I find that so laughable.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
He called me off guard. That was so shitty what
he did with my father, Because he knows what he's doing.
He says my dad. He docks my dad too. He
says my father's name, and that says, oh, your dad's racist,
and this is his name. That was low and everyone
knows what he was doing there. Everybody knows. And now
you put a target on my dad. I hope you
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know that. So I hope you're happy with yourself. And
that is on a line. Actually, family should be off limits.
I'm in the arena. You want to call me a racist,
I'm the one doing the show. My father's not a
public figure, is not political. So that's the only part
that did bother me because that is bullshit. And I
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won't get mad. You can attack me all you want.
I don't care. But you know my father. Leave him
out of it.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
He So, on one hand, I do kind of agree
with this family should be off limits. I would leave
Nickquentis's family off limits if I did an interview with him. However,
it is so rich to hear that coming from Nickquentes,
who has viciously attacked his political opponents as families. There
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is no better example. He is very critical of JD. Vance,
the Vice President. He views him as like insufficiently based
and insufficiently far right on a host of issues, and
however you feel about that whatever. He literally calls his
Jade Vance's wife, slurs and makes fun of Jade Vance
for having a brown family and a mixed race family.
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And he's even talked about how Gavin Newsom, despite being
a far La Democrat, at least he has beautiful white kids.
And so how you can say people's families should be
off limits when you yourself have pioneered a new lane
of attacking people's families in the most heinous ways. And
just in general, Nick Fuentez really doesn't get to play
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the civility card, because I'm telling you, over his the
last decade in public commentary, this guy has insulted and
smeared and said the most heinous and vile things about everyone,
myself included years ago, he went after me and talked
about me and said all sorts of horrific things. In lives,
you do not get to clutch your pearls and say,
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but why can't we all just be civil? Why can't
we just leave our families out of it? I agree,
and I try to apply that standard because I actually try.
I'm not perfect, I'm flawed. I understand that, but I
try to uphold civility and decency. You don't, so you
don't really get to play that card. I don't think so.
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And just this, Oh, how could you bring up my father?
What a low blow? You literally call jd Vance's wife slurs,
you mock his children, Okay, And so Pierre's referencing public
comments you made about your father. Well, I don't think
I would have done it. I don't find it that interesting.
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I find it a little like Dicey in terms of
I do agree with leave a family out of it. You,
of all people, do not get to play the victim. Nick.
That is ridiculous. That is laughable. But guys, there is
so much more from this interview. I really do recommend
that you watch the full thing if you haven't yet.
Parts of it go well for Nick, he comes off
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better parts of it. Peers, for example, doesn't understand the
points that Nick is making. In some of the statistics
sa sides and other things. So I don't want you
to think that this was like an unmitigated disaster interview
from Nick Fuentes and Peers master class. But I do
think Piers overall did a good job. I think he
held Nick Fuentes to account for his extreme views, and
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the fact that Fuentes really is a fraud became apparent,
and his viewers and his listeners should realize that he
is not what he says he is. He is exploiting you,
he is lying to you, and he also has disdain
for you. He really does. And if you don't see that,
then you're just gonna let him keep playing you like
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a fool. And I think that's sad. But we should
also pour one out for the no platforming people. Remember that,
Remember how we spent a decade of public life talking
about how you shouldn't platform bigots and all this other nonsense.
That's ridiculous. No, you should, actually, because sunlight is the
best disinfected. And like that first clip that we played
right where Nick says, oh, I just meant, yeah, most
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black should be in prison. Oh well, I actually just
mean black men who commit murder. And I think it's
like five percent. Oh, so you actually don't believe the
things you say, like you're actually just full of shit,
And that becomes obvious when somebody asks you basic follow
up questions. We should platform bigots, because that's how you
expose them, and that is what happened here. What you
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shouldn't do is what many have done, which is softball
platform extreme figures like Tucker does when it's a certain
type of extreme figure that he's sympathetic to, apparently, and
just give them an open floor and kind of do
pr insane wash them. You absolutely should not do that,
but you should rigorously interview and hold to account even
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extreme figures. And let's let this be the final example
that kills off that ridiculous moment in American life where
we pretended platforming itself was some kind of heinous, horrible thing. Yeah, no,
that needs to go the way of the Dodo bird. Anyway, guys,
those are some of my thoughts about this fascinating interview.
I really do recommend watching the full thing. There's so
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much more that I could have talked about, but we
only have so much time in one podcast episode, and
I think I've already rambled for long enough. So you
guys will have to let me know what you think
in the comments below. You make sure subscribe if you
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we'll talk again real soon, very
That's one hundred percent Trol. Everything I said in that
clip is.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
True, including that blacks need to be imprisoned for the
most part.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Uh yeah, well that was interesting.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
We're going to break down some interesting moments from Piers
Morgan's a big interview with the alt right superstar and
internet kind of rising influencer commentator Troll and more, Nick
Fuentes and all of that on today's episode of The
Barat Versus Everyone podcast, my daily show where we tackle
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the craziest stories from across the Internet and social media,
all from an independent perspective. And Guys, I was glad
to see that Peers was going to do an interview
with Nick Quentes because whether you agree with Peers or not,
and I agree with a lot of stuff that he says,
not everything, of course, what he does do is hold
people to account. He's a tough interviewer, notoriously so. And
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after the softball interviews people have done with Nick Quentes,
like Tucker Carlson, who basically just gave the kid a
tongue bath in a really kind of obsequious and obnoxious way.
In my view, at least I want to see him
held to account and forced to explain some of his views.
I don't think you should be banned or censored or
deplatformed or anything like that. But I think given the radicalism,
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extremism and hatefulness of a lot of the things that
Nick says, that interviews with him should be tough and
should be adversarial and he should be forced to explain himself.
And that's what Peers did. Now, parts of the interview
went well for Nick. He is frankly incredibly funny and charismatic.
A couple of his jokes and his sarcasm or his
points actually went over Peers's head. Maybe Peers is not
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quite online enough or in touch with some of the
kind of far right memes or jokes that they make.
But there were also some moments where Peers I think,
really exposed who Nick fuent As is in a way
that I don't think reflects well on him at all.
And we're going to go over some of those and discuss.
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Of course, you know, there's a lot I won't get
to in this. Nick doubled down on the fact that
he loves Hitler, thinks Hitler is cool. I think that's evil.
I think that's disgusting, of course, and so many other
things from the interview we could talk about. He apparently
believes that if white people become a minority in America
that is a genocide, like if it just happens through
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racial intermixing and births and immigration, even though no one's dying,
which is kind of a wild, wild genocide where no
one gets killed. But anyway, let's talk about this this clip,
which I actually think is one of the most meaningful
clips of the entire interview, where Nick is presented with
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one of his most iconic in a value neutral way. Like,
obviously I think it's a disgusting clip in some ways,
but it's also funny, and it's also part of his
brand and what he's known for. Here's that clip that
he doubles down on despite it being pretty obviously hateful
in my view, at least, let's watch.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
No, it's not the Jews. No it's not women. No
it's not blacks. It's actually really complicated. No, if it
isn't at all, Jews are running society. Women need to
shut the fuck up, Blacks need to be imprisoned for
the most part, and we would live in paradise.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It's that simple, Okay, would you like to clarify what
you meant.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Then that's all true. That's one hundred percent true. Everything
I said in that clip is true.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Including that blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Uh yeah, yes, wow.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
For honesty, I guess. But here's one of the useful
things about this interview Nick. A lot of times supporters
of Nick are apologize apologists for him, will say, well,
he's just joking, he's just trolling, he's just edgelording. No,
he stands on business on this hateful, extremist nonsense saying
most black people should be in prison. Women just need
(04:20):
to shut up as if they are not equal citizens
and participants in our country. And yeah, so he says, no,
I'm not joking. I stand by that. So for me,
that alone is useful because he is saying, you know,
he's taking that excuse away for the people to say
he's just joking with his more extreme and more vile statements.
(04:41):
He isn't. And it's obvious if you're willing to listen
and look. So, guys, let's listen to what Nick says next,
which I think is important because it reveals that like
a little bit of sunlight on this guy and He
really cannot withstand the scrutiny, and he does not actually
have any substantiation to the edgy extreme things he says,
like most black people should be in prison, casually suggesting
(05:04):
that millions of people should be in prison in this community. Yeah,
he can't actually defend that, and he crumbles immediately when
Pierce presses him on it.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Let's listen, yes, well all of them, No, for the
most part.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
What is the most part?
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Mean?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
What percentage of American Blacks would you like to see
in prison?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Whatever? The percentages of the murderers. I think it's one
in twenty black men will commit a murder in their lifetime,
So maybe let's say that five percent.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Oh so you're talking about black people who murder people?
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, oh absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You didn't say that. You just say blacks need to
be imprisoned for the most part. You didn't clarify that
you were talking about black.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Murderers, right, right, No, you're right. That's a good addition
to that. That's a great point. Do you think it's
Do you think it's funny or I think yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
I do.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
I think it's hilarious. I think it's totally true.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Do you think black American would find it funny. I
think that black should be imprisoned for the most.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
So there's something called a Matin Bailey routine, where you
take in a an extreme position, but then when you're
pressed on it and you are challenged on it, you
retreat to a much more defensible position. And it's wild
to see Nick just totally abandon his original position that
he just affirmatively agreed to. He said, yes, I wasn't joking.
(06:24):
I do mean that. Well, actually, what I meant was
that black murderers should be in jail, sir. What no
one disagrees with that. That is not a controversial or
hot take. Now he estimates I think one in twenty
so five percent of black men committing murder over their lifetimes.
I don't think that's an accurate statistic. I tried to
find that statistic and I couldn't. When he was pressed
(06:47):
on it, he cited some random account on Twitter, not
like an actual statistic or source. But even accepting that
at face value, Okay, well, so what you actually mean
to say is that ninety five percent of black men
should not be imprisoned and ninety nine point nine percent
of black women. Because I mean I don't know the
actual number, but very few black women commit murder should
(07:08):
be imprisoned, So what actually, most black people shouldn't be imprisoned.
You see how he just totally abandoned his statement. It's
like he I think, what's so revealing about this passage
is that he just totally abandoned the stance. He repeatedly
takes the character he plays on his live streams to
be an edge lord and toatrol people and can't actually
(07:30):
defend the position, so retreats to something totally anodyne and uncontroversial. Oh,
put people who murder people in jail, No shit, Nick,
No one really disagrees with that. But what you do
is you troll and say these extreme statements for attention
and you can't actually defend them. And then the funny
thing is he genuinely thinks his audience is stupid and
(07:54):
won't notice. Like that clip that I just showed you
was shared by one of his symp accounts on called
Fuentes Updates that just posts clips of Nick all day
and glazes him. Well, this account shared this clip with
the whole thing attached that I just played for you
and was like, Haha, look at Nick doubling down and
saying most black should be in prison, as if they
(08:16):
don't understand that he he just admitted that that's ridiculous,
and he just totally abandoned that position, and he just
let the mask slip on the character that he plays.
He is a charismatic guy. He is a funny guy,
and he plays an evil character on TV to take
dumb people's money and garner himself an audience and sympathy.
(08:37):
And then the craziest thing about him is that he's
actually very smart. And it's whenever I watch him, it
is obvious that he is regular that he hates his audience,
he hates the people that watch him. He's constantly insulting them,
and he's constantly talking about things in a way like
this where he is kind of verbally winking and nodding
(08:59):
to the that he thinks they're all very stupid without
saying so, and just counting on the fact that they
won't pick up on it. This is an example of that.
What you just saw was Nick fuent As letting the
mask slip, revealing that he is a fraud, revealing that
he knows the things that he says are absurd and ridiculous.
He can't actually defend them, and he is simply cashing
(09:21):
in on both for more for relevancy than for money.
Though he's now making a lot of money, but for
a long time he wasn't. He is exploiting a group
of sad people. Really, I think the Groypers tend to
be sad people. They tend to be people who are
not doing well in life for various reasons. He appeals
(09:41):
to their victim a mentality, He appeals to their woes.
He tells them it's not their fault. He's fundamentally quite
woke actually in that sense that he is putting forward
a victim narrative and telling people it's not their fault.
Someone else is to blame for their problems. But he
is a charlatan. He is the Robin DiAngelo of the
(10:01):
old right, the white fragility author a right who goes
around and does race drifting in the woke direction. And
I think that became very clear from this interview and
from this clip. And there's so much more actually, but guys,
do make sure subscribe to who Are You, hit the
like button, comment with your thoughts as we go along here,
and now we're going to get to another revealing part
(10:24):
where Nick discusses his views on women and his relationship
with women in a way that I think A Peers
missed the mark a little bit in his line of questioning.
But Nick did reveal something that I find to be
disqualifying and abhorrent. So let's watch that.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Just to clear up one of the many theories about you.
I have no idea what the answer, Disney. You haven't
got an answer? But are you actually attracted to women?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I am attracted to women.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
No, not the most convincing answer. The little pause didn't help.
Maybe it's just the delay, but whatever. I don't care
about that.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
But I will say that women are very difficult to
be around. So there's that.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And do you think they should have the right to vote?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I do not know, Absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I should stay at home?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Well yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
See. Basically it's just a misogynous old donisare aren't he?
For a young guy? I mean, I know I'm the boomer.
I know I'm the boomer here, but actually you're a
twenty seven year old dinosaur, aren't you? Aren't you?
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Nathan Enties?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
All women am All women are annoying, All women grow old,
They all get fat, says the guy.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Have you ever had sex?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Absolutely not, Wow, says the guy, You've never got laid.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
So I do understand what Peers is trying to do.
He's trying to paint Nick's attitudes towards women as kind
of a product of his lack of experience or success
on the dating market. But I think that's actually misguided.
I think the last bit like it doesn't matter whether
Nick has said sex or not, and in fact, he's
actually that almost plays well to his benefit because they're
(12:09):
shaming him for following traditional Catholic beliefs about you know,
no premarital sex and all that. So he's allowed to
play the victim there and say, like we can. I say,
I'm just a guy who tries to live up to
Christ and they judged me for it, and they act
like I'm this goofy and so that's how he spends it,
and it works. His followers do believe that, and also
just doesn't matter. I think what really matters is the
(12:31):
substance of the views that he says about women, and
I would have liked to see him pressed on that
the way he was about his views on black people,
because what Nick Fuent has doubles down on Here is
just evil. It's just vile. Women shouldn't be able to vote.
You are saying that in entire demographic half of our
country should not be given equal participation and citizenship in
(12:54):
our nation, in our governor system of government, despite paying taxes,
despite contributing it into exponentially more important ways, many of
them than streamers or YouTubers like myself or Nick, they
don't get to be equal participants in society because if
your lizard brain takes on men and women, or your
open discrimination or animis I mean he admits to being
(13:16):
a misogynist, and that is defined as somebody who has
disane and prejudice towards women. And any time you have
your advocating for taking away people's rights or just disenfranchising
people based on basically happenstance, something about them, an immutable
demographic trait you can't change. And they didn't choose your evil.
(13:39):
And that's the important part of this clip, in this
passage with the interview, is that Nick wants to viciously
repress women, and that is never ever something that decent
men should be okay with, and it's never something that
if Republicans and Conservatives allow themselves to kind of embrace
this or sink into their coalition. Yeah, that's going to
be radioactive to half the country that votes and is
(14:02):
always going to vote. You can't. You're never going to
repeal the Nineteenth Amendment, So you're just it is an
absolute fantasy that is evil and only I think perfectly
poisons the well on half the country as a voting
population for you that you're even entertaining this ridiculous nonsense.
Other than that, though, you're doing amazing, Nick Fuentes. Now,
(14:24):
one other piece of this interview that I want to
get to is something that's proving quite contentious, is in
kind of the online discussion and aftermath of all of this,
and that is the part where Peers asks Nick about
his father and Piers actually says his father's full name.
And I have mixed feelings on this. I probably wouldn't
(14:46):
have done this if I was Peers. I'm not sure
I like this, but let's listen, and then we're also
going to listen to Nick kind of playing the victim
afterwards as well on his live stream. So let's listen
to the actual clip from Peers's interview where he brought
up Nick's father running joke.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Me and my sister would say Applebee's, and my dad
would say, we would never eat at Applebee's, not in
a million years. Should you be caught dead when to
said about Applebee's, go to a different restaurant, a local restaurant,
No Applebee's, No red lobster that is commonly known as
black fair. And you also share another story about your
family and restaurants said, before me and my sister were born,
(15:23):
my family had a saying about olive Garden that contains
the N word that we're not allowed to say. So
my question, based on that anid though that you say
on your own podcast, is do you think you grew
up in a racist environment, that your father was inherently racist,
and that that thought process moved to you.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Well, I would say it's a new loan. I've been
attacked for being a racist many times, But to attack
my father, to attack my parents based on anecdotes, I
would say, that's.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
It's your running dough.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, but he's not here to defend himself. You on
my parents, You told the story, and I will to
be clear, it's not an ambush to be cleishing.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I'm literally reading an anecdote that you revealed on your podcast.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
So that's not the whole thing. But I think you
understand what happened here from that clip and at the beginning.
I don't think I showed it in this part, but
Piers actually does read out Nick's father's full name, which
of course is easily accessible information. But anytime you do
something like that on a platform that millions of people
are watching, it is going to invite people to uh.
(16:37):
I don't think Piers wants this, but people will go
look him up and maybe cause problems for him or
harass him. I I am. I'm of two minds on
this because on one hand, I would never have done
this myself. I would have left Nick's family out of it.
I just don't think it's that interesting, and I don't
think it's like the I'm much more interested in the
substance of his views. I understand that peers trying to
(17:00):
build up to like how did Nick Quentez become who
he is? And that's interesting, But could you have done
it without bringing up his father? This opens up like
a lane, as you will see, for Nick to play
the victim, and there's nothing he loves more than playing
the victim. So he ran through that lane like he's
Bonnie Blue, like the the But at the same time,
(17:24):
Nick did put this information into the public sphere, which
is what Pierce went back to.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
You.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
You're saying, leave my father out of it. You brought
your father up on your live stream and talked about
him at great length and in some kind of maybe
they're jokes, you could say that, but if they're serious,
then obviously you know those are to say, oh, we
don't go to red Lobster. That's where the nwords e
or olive gardener or whatever it was. Yeah, obviously I
think that's kind of messed up and not okay. Again,
(17:51):
I'm more concerned with Nick Quente's and his message and
his beliefs now rather than stuff from decades ago about
his father, who's a private citizen. But I'm not sure
it's really fair to act scandalized that he brought up
my father when you talk about your father on your
public platform, Like, it's not like he went and dug
up stuff about your father. You put it out there,
and then for Nick to say like, oh, family should
(18:14):
be off limits, well, which is what he kind of
says in this clip. From his stream. I'm about to
show you is incredibly rich. Let's listen first, then I'll
explain why I find that so laughable.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
He called me off guard. That was so shitty what
he did with my father, Because he knows what he's doing.
He says my dad. He docks my dad too. He
says my father's name, and that says, oh, your dad's racist,
and this is his name. That was low and everyone
knows what he was doing there. Everybody knows. And now
you put a target on my dad. I hope you
(18:46):
know that. So I hope you're happy with yourself. And
that is on a line. Actually, family should be off limits.
I'm in the arena. You want to call me a racist,
I'm the one doing the show. My father's not a
public figure, is not political. So that's the only part
that did bother me because that is bullshit. And I
(19:08):
won't get mad. You can attack me all you want.
I don't care. But you know my father. Leave him
out of it.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
He So, on one hand, I do kind of agree
with this family should be off limits. I would leave
Nickquentis's family off limits if I did an interview with him. However,
it is so rich to hear that coming from Nickquentes,
who has viciously attacked his political opponents as families. There
(19:34):
is no better example. He is very critical of JD. Vance,
the Vice President. He views him as like insufficiently based
and insufficiently far right on a host of issues, and
however you feel about that whatever. He literally calls his
Jade Vance's wife, slurs and makes fun of Jade Vance
for having a brown family and a mixed race family.
(19:57):
And he's even talked about how Gavin Newsom, despite being
a far La Democrat, at least he has beautiful white kids.
And so how you can say people's families should be
off limits when you yourself have pioneered a new lane
of attacking people's families in the most heinous ways. And
just in general, Nick Fuentez really doesn't get to play
(20:18):
the civility card, because I'm telling you, over his the
last decade in public commentary, this guy has insulted and
smeared and said the most heinous and vile things about everyone,
myself included years ago, he went after me and talked
about me and said all sorts of horrific things. In lives,
you do not get to clutch your pearls and say,
(20:40):
but why can't we all just be civil? Why can't
we just leave our families out of it? I agree,
and I try to apply that standard because I actually try.
I'm not perfect, I'm flawed. I understand that, but I
try to uphold civility and decency. You don't, so you
don't really get to play that card. I don't think so.
(21:02):
And just this, Oh, how could you bring up my father?
What a low blow? You literally call jd Vance's wife slurs,
you mock his children, Okay, And so Pierre's referencing public
comments you made about your father. Well, I don't think
I would have done it. I don't find it that interesting.
(21:22):
I find it a little like Dicey in terms of
I do agree with leave a family out of it. You,
of all people, do not get to play the victim. Nick.
That is ridiculous. That is laughable. But guys, there is
so much more from this interview. I really do recommend
that you watch the full thing if you haven't yet.
Parts of it go well for Nick, he comes off
(21:44):
better parts of it. Peers, for example, doesn't understand the
points that Nick is making. In some of the statistics
sa sides and other things. So I don't want you
to think that this was like an unmitigated disaster interview
from Nick Fuentes and Peers master class. But I do
think Piers overall did a good job. I think he
held Nick Fuentes to account for his extreme views, and
(22:06):
the fact that Fuentes really is a fraud became apparent,
and his viewers and his listeners should realize that he
is not what he says he is. He is exploiting you,
he is lying to you, and he also has disdain
for you. He really does. And if you don't see that,
then you're just gonna let him keep playing you like
(22:26):
a fool. And I think that's sad. But we should
also pour one out for the no platforming people. Remember that,
Remember how we spent a decade of public life talking
about how you shouldn't platform bigots and all this other nonsense.
That's ridiculous. No, you should, actually, because sunlight is the
best disinfected. And like that first clip that we played
right where Nick says, oh, I just meant, yeah, most
(22:50):
black should be in prison. Oh well, I actually just
mean black men who commit murder. And I think it's
like five percent. Oh, so you actually don't believe the
things you say, like you're actually just full of shit,
And that becomes obvious when somebody asks you basic follow
up questions. We should platform bigots, because that's how you
expose them, and that is what happened here. What you
(23:10):
shouldn't do is what many have done, which is softball
platform extreme figures like Tucker does when it's a certain
type of extreme figure that he's sympathetic to, apparently, and
just give them an open floor and kind of do
pr insane wash them. You absolutely should not do that,
but you should rigorously interview and hold to account even
(23:32):
extreme figures. And let's let this be the final example
that kills off that ridiculous moment in American life where
we pretended platforming itself was some kind of heinous, horrible thing. Yeah, no,
that needs to go the way of the Dodo bird. Anyway, guys,
those are some of my thoughts about this fascinating interview.
I really do recommend watching the full thing. There's so
(23:53):
much more that I could have talked about, but we
only have so much time in one podcast episode, and
I think I've already rambled for long enough. So you
guys will have to let me know what you think
in the comments below. You make sure subscribe if you
wan't yet, hit the leg button and that'll be it
for today's episode of the Bread Versus Everyone podcast. Thanks
so much for listening. If you're listening on audio podcasts,
I remember to rate and review the show wherever you listen,
(24:15):
and regardless, consider recommending it to a friend. And with that, guys,
we'll talk again real soon, very
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