October 1, 2025 • 34 mins
A TikTok user is going mega viral for threatening to expose Republican Speaker of the House Mike Johnson's alleged account on a gay hookup app, Grindr. Is there any truth to this, or is it just another viral hoax? I break it down in this episode of the Brad vs Everyone podcast. Plus, right-wing YouTube star Candace Owens' lies and inconsistencies about Charlie Kirk's death are catching up with her.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Here's a message for Speaker of the House Mike Johnson.
Pay attention, Bud, I will release your Grinder profile and
your IP address.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The TikToker is going viral for threatening to out a
high profile gay Republican, but I'm not buying it. We're
gonna break this down, plus so much more on today's
episode of The Barad Versus Everyone podcast, my daily show
(00:36):
where we take on the craziest ideas from across the Internet,
our media, and our politics. Up. First, guys, we've got
I don't know, TikTok, drama, political trauma, all of the above.
Some allegations have been made about a certain very high
profile Republican, Mike Johnson, who was the Speaker of House,
(01:00):
a Republican from Louisiana and a user has gone super
viral on TikTok for claiming that he has the receipts
Mike Johnson is secretly closeted and chatting with men on Grinder,
the gay hookup app, and he's threatening to release them
unless Mike Johnson does what he wants. Now, if this
(01:21):
sounds familiar, that's because it is. Liberals at least some
online have been obsessed with the idea that Mike Johnson
is a closeted gay Republican, and they have insisted that
there are receipts out there. A previous hoax did go viral,
of course, it was still spread by a lot of
liberal commentators, but PolitiFact debunked it. In March twenty twenty five,
(01:46):
a user claimed to have screenshots showing that Speaker Mike
Johnson was messaging with them on Grinder. However, PolitiFact debunked
that and showed that it used a CRPT version of
a publicly available foot photo of House Speaker Mike Johnson,
which was taken by a fellow House member at a
March fourth event, alongside what looked like screenshots of a
(02:07):
Grinder app chat. However, fake Grinder conversations are easy to
create using online generators, and the owner of the TikTok
account that shared these messages told PolitiFact that his source
said the message thread was two years old but included
a photo taken in March. So the whole thing was
a hoax that got debunked and fell apart. But here
(02:28):
we are again with another liberal claiming to have receipts
on this man. Without further ado, let's take a look
at the video that's going viral.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Hey, here's a message for Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.
Pay attention, Bud.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh my gosh, this guy really gives me the creeps.
I'm sorry. I'm gonna let him finish, but can we
just talk about the fact that he's like not giving reliable,
stay trustworthy source of information to me. Maybe I'm crazy, y'all.
Let me know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
This is for Mike Johnson. If you're not Mike Johnson,
you can keep scrolling, or you can stay here and
listen to what I have to say. Hey, Mike, you
have until Wednesday. Just swear her in Wednesday or I
will release your grinder profile and your IP address. Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The context you need to know here is that a
bunch of Democrats are very upset at Mike Johnson because
he has yet to swear in a congresswoman that was
just elected in a special election, Representative at Alita Grivall
Grihalava of Arizona. Sorry about that who just won a
special election, He cites delays planning on swearing her in
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in October. They think that he's trying to block the
release of the Ebsteine files because she would potentially to
get that over the finish line. Anyway, it's a hood drama,
but she will be sworn in. It's just a matter
of time. Anyway. He is apparently threatening Mike Johnson swear
her in or else. And I'm not a lawyer, don't
take legal advice from me, but that's giving illegal to me, Like,
(04:17):
I'm not really sure are you allowed to publicly blackmail
or coerce politicians into taking government actions that you prefer.
I don't know. That sounds not legal to me. I'm
just speculating there, but uh yeah, I kind of seems
like the thing you wouldn't be allowed to do, but
(04:37):
let alone do so publicly. But more importantly, I just
don't I don't believe any of this. But let's keep going.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I bring receipts. Bitch, you're not going to sit there
and actively work against LGBTQ rights and democracy. It is treason. Yeah,
I'm calling you out for treason. You have until Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So apparently if you don't agree with this person's politics,
you are treasonous and deserve, by the way, guys, the
penalty for treason his death. So it's a pretty serious
accusation to make against somebody. But don't worry, guys, he
has receipts. Of course, these are really high quality receipts.
I'm sure that's why so many investigative journalists have received
(05:24):
them and decided to run with this. Oh wait, I mean,
I don't know it is. I will say that I
am ninety eight percent certain that he's full of crap,
and that maybe he believes the receipts are real. That's possible,
but that they're not actually real. It is much more
likely to me that somebody either made fake screenshots that
(05:45):
you got sent, or that somebody actually had an interaction
on Grinder with somebody claiming to be Mike Johnson, but
it was not in fact Mike Johnson. Because never say never.
People do stupid and crazy things. But even if Mike
Johnson were closeted and was hooking up with men on
the DL, he'd have to be kind of crazy to
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be doing it on Grinder with a paper trail like
that would be so unwise and so foolish. I'm not
going to say it's impossible. But then the other thing
that is implausible to me is that this would then
just be in the hands of some random TikToker. I'm
telling you, if Mike Johnson was on Grinder in the
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DC area or even back home in Louisiana, that would
get shown to some reporters who would verify it and
break the story and want the scoop. And the fact
that we're getting it from some rando on TikTok again
makes me think it's almost certainly not real. But I
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don't know. Does he seem trustworthy to y'all.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
To swear her in and let democracy take its course,
or I will lease your Grinder profile and your IP
address connects both to you, Mike. The choice is yours.
Do the right thing, because I'm petty and now I'm
(07:15):
not above this bullshit.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, he seems very stable, very lovely, guys, let me
know what you think. So far are you with me
that it must probably be asked? Let me know in
the comments, make sure subscribe to the like Mutton yet yet? Yeah,
but it seems like they really want this to be true.
I don't think it is true. There are definitely multiple
closeted gay Republicans in DC. I've heard the t I've
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heard the allegations, I've heard the lore. Some of it.
I've even personally verified. As far as I'm concerned, I
think it's their business. I would say it's a little different.
I would consider potentially valid to out somebody if they're
cheating on their spouse, I think that's a little different.
Or if they're like really explicit super anti gay. But
(08:02):
I don't know, I really I don't know that you
can even then really justify violating someone's privacy like that.
But more importantly, I just don't believe that this is real.
If it was real, he would have released it. He
wouldn't be putting it all on the line to try
to get a woman sworn in who is going to
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be sworn in no matter what. Like even Mike Johnson's
office is just saying they're going to do it later
in October, that really, you're gonna use your Trump card
for that to get her sworn in a few days earlier.
That's just none of it makes sense. But of course
he's doing the thing where you make an insane claim
and then you get a lot of backlash for said claim,
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and that of course proves you right, because you're they're
only mad at you if you're over the target or
what have you. What, In fact, if you say crazy,
fake stuff, people get mad at you too for that,
So it doesn't in fact prove you right, but a
lot of people like to protect that it does. Here
is his follow up video. Of course he's now plugging.
Also a gofund me to fund his legal expenses. Not
(09:10):
sure that there are in fact legal expenses, but okay,
and would love to know where all that money's going
to end up anyway. Here is the update video that
he posted that is totally normal and not at all crazy.
Let's take a look.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
To say the last twenty four hours has been stressful
and chaotic would be an understatement.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
All right, sorry to pause already, but like, I don't know, bro,
what did you expect publicly threatening and extorting and trying
to blackmail one of the most powerful politicians in the
country with lurid sex allegations. Oh no, what a stressful experience.
At some point, like people never cease to amaze me
(09:57):
to the level at which they think they are entitled
to play stupid games without winning stupid prizes, like or
it's really wild that they think they can just do
whatever they want and they're shocked when people react to it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I have been talking with a lot of people, including
a fantastic team of lawyers, and I want to assure
everyone I am not a danger to myself or others.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh my gosh, the idea that he is going to
he needs to tell us all. Don't worry, guys. I'm
not going to delete myself as if, like what, the
CIA is gonna come hop in and take him out.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I find this delusion. It's giving delusions of grandeur right, Like,
there are much easier ways to silence someone than to
orchestrate a fake ending of you their own life. Okay,
And I think the idea that they would do that
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and expect the problem to go away. I mean, no,
not a thing not happening. You're paranoid.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I am in a safe place. I have discussed this
with other people. I am no longer the only person
with this information. It is backed up multiple times.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's not though, because or it's almost certainly not, because
if it was, some actual investigative journalists would have verified
it and reported it seriously, Like hundreds of liberal reporters
who are very good at their jobs, even though they
have an ideological bias, will have been all over this
and would have if it was true, ran with it,
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but they don't want to run with something that is
literally untrue and then get sued and have a huge problem,
whereas on TikTok, people like this just yap and they're
nobody's with no money, so they don't really have to
worry about getting sued. I guess.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
This in no way was a shakedown for anything.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So that's the funny thing. I wonder if this elite
team of lawyers is trying to have him cover his
ass here because he publicly extorted the Speaker of the
House to try to blackmail him into doing his preferred
political outcomes. Like I said, that just sounds illegal. I
don't know if it is, but it sounds like something
that's probably against the law. And now they're like, this
(12:33):
was in no way a shakedown. I don't think you
can do that. Like if I publish a video making
a claim and then I just very explicitly or saying
something very clearly, and I just publish another video and
I'm like, no, takes me back seas like an, I
wasn't blackmailing you when I said do this or I
(12:53):
will do this. I don't think you can just unring
that bell like that I don't. I maybe those lawyers
are not advising you well. If they've told you that
will get you off the hook, I don't think it will,
sir anything.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I stand to benefit nothing from this. I'm safe. My
lawyers are figuring out next steps now, and I'll be
laying low.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Well. This investigative journalist just seems incredibly stunning and brave
to me. He's already raised tens of thousands of dollars
off of this noble and altruistic enterprise that he's engaged in,
just trying to save democracy. Be a hero, totally not
brain rotted by MSNBC at all. I mean, here's the thing.
I'm not even sure what it would prove or do
(13:42):
if this all were true, Okay, I mean I would
think it would be horrible that Mike Johnson would be
having an affair and cheating on his family or whatever,
but like lots and lots of people in DC are
doing that very openly and shamelessly, and it wouldn't change
any of the policy debates or opinions. It wouldn't make
anything Mike Johnson has said or done wrong or right.
(14:05):
It would just be embarrassing for him, which I guess
if that excites you. Okay, but anyway, more importantly, it's
just it's not in fact true. One final update video
from this guy. He's really making the most of this
and milking it. Let's take a look at this final video. Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It's Tuesday, September thirtieth, twenty twenty five, at about two
pm Eastern Standard time. In consultation with close friends, family,
and my attorney, we have decided the following steps are necessary.
Any and all materials in my possession related to this
matter have now been turned over to a trusted media authority,
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an investigative journalist, who will then vet the information and
report as necessary. Any and all copies of this information
that we're in my possession are now out of my
possession and have been turned over to several different sources.
If anything should happen to me, this will trigger those
sources to release that information as well. This is hard.
(15:09):
This is something I never planned on. Obviously it got
the attention it did. TikTok has put an account ban
warning on my account and taken down that video. So
I'm keeping you updated, as many people have asked me
to do. I am not backing down. This is democracy.
(15:32):
Democracy will prevail. They may get me in the short term,
but in the long term, democracy will prevail. Now is
the time for us to stand up and speak out
for what.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Is right, all right, I've had enough of listening to
him yap. Honestly, if he turned it over to investigative
if journalists, if they're actual ones, they will look into
the metadata, they will verify it. They'll find out like
politifac did that it's almost certainly not real. If these
are random partisan hacks or other influencers who maybe pose
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as journalists and then they publish it, it will eventually
get debunked. Unless it is true. Unless this guy is
just you know, we're about to drop the Pentagon papers
on us. He's the unexpected journalistic hero we never knew
we needed, who definitely doesn't seem at all like he's
missed his medication. I don't know, you guys, let me
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know what you think in the comments. This is blowing
up all over the internet. I just I find it
so far fetched. I think if this information was really
out there, there are so many hundreds, if not thousands,
of journalists who would have loved to get this story
and would have chased it down that the idea that
some random, deranged seeming person on TikTok would be the
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ones with the goods on Mike Johnson just strikes me
as incredibly far fetched, not impossible, but incredibly incredibly unlikely.
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The link to send in one of those is in
the description. Up next, guys, we are going to check
in with the I almost said Mega, but she's not
even really Mega anymore. She's just like tinfoil hat right
wing kind of YouTube star Candice Owens, who of course
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was very good close friends with Charlie Kirk, who was
brutally murdered and assassinated, and she's crashing out. She's spreading
insane conspiracies about his death, and she's finally starting to
get caught in some of these lies and in some
of these contradictions in a way that should be I think, discrediting,
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but unfortunately millions and millions are still tuning in to her.
She still has one of the top podcasts in America,
and she's spreading some really remarkably disinga newest analysis and speculation.
First though, and a couple of the clips I'm going
to show you are from somebody named milk Bar TV
who is an anti candas Owen's critic but has compilated,
(18:11):
has made compilations just of clips of her next to
other clips of her contradicting herself. It's all none of
it's fake. It's all sourced directly from her podcast episodes. Anyway,
this is just funny to me. This one will get
into the substantive errors Candace is making and the false
information she's spreading to millions. But first, I just want
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to play this for you because Candace is on record
and kind of made her brand originally with the like
facts don't care about your feelings mentality, which I mean
when it comes to logic, is true, though feelings are important,
But a lot of her conspiracy theories about Charlie's death
just come off to it, in her words, feeling weird,
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and she doesn't seem to see how that's like contradictory
with the logical approach she took earlier in her career.
Listen to this dichotomy of Candice before and then that I.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Could be incorrect. I may a feeling is not a fact.
Everything just spiritually feels very wrong here. Yeah, it feels
like we are being lied to by who. I am
not sure. We watched Charlie get shot in the throat.
That feels a little bit symbolic. It feels like they
wanted us to know that his voice was problematic. That again,
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to me, feels like he's a decoy. Like more people
are involved in this, and I will say that we
don't know, but we know about something's wrong with this
because if I don't feel good, this feels to me
like a conspiracy.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
It feels a little fake and gay. Gotta tell you, guys,
it feels a little faking gay.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I do find the line that she uses genuinely funny,
like comical, which is like fake and gay. I mean,
it's kind of camp. It's funny. You see TikTokers using
it now. I'm not offended by it whatever, but it
is just interesting for the facts. Don't care about your feelings, lady, right.
That was something she used to say all the time.
(20:05):
So much of the conspiracy about around Charlie Kirk's death
and other things, many other things, just because it feels
wrong to her, It doesn't feel right. There is a
big contradiction there. And when you're making I always come
back to this. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Candace
does not have extraordinary evidence. She has things. She extrapolates
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theories and then cherry picked and distorted details out of
context and leaving out crucial information, and then she connects
it all with feelings it feels true. A great example
of this is how Candace has handled the debate over
the Charlie Kirk letter to Bibi Netan Yahoo, the leader
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of Israel. Now Candace because she is spreading simultaneously the
idea that maybe Israel killed Charlie, that maybe it was
an inside job to TPUSA because they were worried that
he was going to go against Israel and they were
going to lose all this pro Israel money, all this
stuff that really is incredibly far fetched, she claimed when
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people pointed out that right before his death, or a
little bit before his death, Charlie had written a letter
to bib net Yaho professing his love for Israel but
offering some constructive criticism about how they could better defend
Israel and have a better kind of He called it
the information war. She publicly said that Bibi nett and
Yahoo was lying about the letter being pro Israel, being
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a love letter to Israel, and to release the full letter.
She thus acknowledged the letter was real and that the
parts of it that Bibi Netanya who was citing was true.
Now they've released the whole letter, it was in fact
constructive criticism. But Charlie repeatedly said how much he loves
Israel and wants Israel to win, But now she's denying it.
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So here's the before and after from Candace, also compiled
by milk Bar TV.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Towards the end, Charlie was just authoring love letters to Israel,
giving them a perspective of here's how we can win
the property. Here's what you guys need to do. You
need to work with this hellal whatever it is. You
have the same people that are calling me a to Semitic.
You need to work with those people harder. And he
was just putting it on paper. But was it an email?
What was that that they were sharing on the New
(22:21):
York Post The Israeli posts first and Foremo.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, so that's Candace suggesting that this letter is fake.
Now we're going to flash back to Candace previously acknowledging
that the quotes and the letter are real, but just
calling for the whole thing to be released because apparently
she'd seen it all and believed it. But now it's
fake now that it has been released.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
First and foremost, that letter he is holding up, he
is severely misrepresenting.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Those sentences are real.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I'm saying, you're severely misrepresenting the contents where of his
deep love for Israel to a letter to net and Yahoo.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
We're supposed to believe the sent that as an email.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
By the way, somebody clarify an email they were sharing
or did he send it in the mail to him?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Could somebody share that?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And you're doubling down on your lie. I told you
to publish the full letter that Charlie wrote you, not
lines of it. Okay, So Lie, by omission, he lied
about the contents of a letter that Charlie Kirk had
written him.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I'm assuming it was an email.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Can someone show in a timestamp on that just kind
of like authenticate that email because I'm very aware of
what's going on.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Okay, And I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Know how the executives over at Turning Point, USA sleep
at night.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Honestly, I don't know how Candace sleeps at night. Well,
I do, because I think she's a true believer. I
think she believes this stuff. I don't think she's like
a grifter in the lying sense, where you know, she
plays a character on TV. I think she truly believes
this and has drank the kool aid and convinced herself
that only she can see the truth. But it's just
so interesting how she shifts the goalposts because originally, when
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Bibi Netanyahu, of whom I'm no fan by the way,
made the claimed that Charlie had written a love letter
to Israel and drew out specific quotes of things that
he said, she said, yeah, those quotes are real. Yeah
he wrote a letter, but released the full letter. And
then they released the full letter with those exact quotes
in it. It was verified by people very close to Charlie,
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including his producer and one of his best friends, that yes,
that's real, the letter is correct. It's all fake now
it was real before, now it's fake. I mean, she
just any evidence that contradicts the conspiracy she's decided upon
is fake and gay. Any speculative evidence that can possibly
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be felt to be in supportive of the thing she
thinks is true is real and valid. And then also
there's just a remarkable sloppiness to the investigative work that
she does. Is Candice is very entertaining, very charismatic, and
very gifted. But what she is not is some sort
of thorough investigative reporter and analyst. And so one of
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the big arguments of this whole conspiracy she's pushing that
the whole thing, Tyler Robinson, the alleged shooter, the local police,
the state authorities, the federal government all conspired to frame
this guy. She thinks that the text messages between Tyler
Robinson and the partner romantic partner are all fake. All
three levels of government, dozens of people colluded to write
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fake messages. Part of her evidence for that is that
he used words that don't sound like how normal people talk.
For example, vehicle and retrieve are words that he used
in the text, And she said on her show that like,
normal people don't text like that, that's fake. That sounds
like police writing fake texts. Now, the remarkable thing about
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that is that one. What's more likely this grand conspiracy
faking texts, or that an extremely weird dude who was
into like furries and online circles wrote in a strange
way to his trans identifying lover to me that the
latter is much more likely than the former. But the
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funny thing is there's actually police footage from I Think
a pullover where Tyler Robinson uses the word vehicle, so
like this word that he totally wouldn't say because people
don't use that word. They just say car. And Kendae
left that footage out in her show, specifically omitted it
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and used this footage of him actually apparently not saying
it as proof that he doesn't talk like that. This
is a remarkable clip. Take a look at this, also
from milk Bar TV.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
There's old footage of Tyler Robinson that is now circulating
from a car accident that he had, and during the
discussion with the officer that showed up, Tyler certainly refers
to it as his car, not his vehicle, because that's
how most Americans, how most English speakers refer to a
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car unless they're in the military or on the police force.
So here is twenty twenty two police bodycam footage in
case you miss that of Tyler making a crash report.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Your mom's on her way. Yeah, she's gotta vmnag. She's
got to shuttle over from where she's at to her
car and then drive over.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Gotcha.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
His mother was going to shuttle over from her car. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, So here's the thing you need to know. Again,
she's suggesting that the text where he refers to his
vehicle must be fake and must have been written by
cops or by the military or something, because in the
text he says vehicle instead of car. And her evidence
for this is that she found a clip of him
once referring to a car. Now, that would not actually
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prove anything. I have used the word vehicle at some
times my life, but I more commonly say car. And
if you had texts for me where I said, oh,
you know our rental vehicle, right, and then you found
footage of me later talking about my car, that wouldn't
disprove that I once used the word vehicle. It doesn't
even make sense. But what was so sloppy and so
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remarkable about this particular bit is that Candice left out
more footage either through just incompetence or deceit. She left
out more footage from that same bodycam footage where he
says the word vehicle. Watch this also again from milk Bar. Yeah,
I was looking up at the light just before getting there,
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so i'd shift yellow.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And as I get into the intersection, being bolts, there
was a vehicle in the lane.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
There you go, his vehicle. Her whole conspiracy about the
text being fake is the word vehicle is debunked by
the footage she selectively did not play for her audience. Wow.
Again here she is talking about how it must be
fake because he says vehicle on September eighteenth.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That's something that you say. I'm just going to go
outside to my vehicle. I left something in my vehicle. Currently,
they just shoot the breeze with one another and they
say vehicle and retrieve. And if you don't believe me,
then good. You shouldn't believe that. You shouldn't believe me
when I say that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oka and milk Bar also included this funny thing because
her whole thing is how people don't say vehicle. He
also included footage of her repeatedly referring to a vehicle.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
That and Nick was particularly asking him to determine who
owned a white vehicle. And everyone locally had had looked
at this vehicle, so I can help you figure out
more about this vehicle. And suddenly a president gets shot
in a moving vehicle. November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.
JFK was shot. President JFKA was shot sitting alongside his wife.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
In a vehicle.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But people don't say vehicle, They only just say car, right,
and that proves the grand conspiracy. I don't know. I
find it to be crazy. I find it to be ridiculous,
and I find it to be deeply harmful to be
spreading this misinformation in these conspiracy theories, to be omitting
such crucial facts from your audience. And there's a fundamental
amount of narcissism here. She has managed to, at least
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to her millions of followers, make Charlie Kirk's tragic assassination
first and foremost about herself and her personal political agenda. Really,
there's a degree of narcissism wrapped in with the conspiracy
brain here that is mind blowing. Watch this final clip,
also highlighted by Milk Dark Type.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
About forty eight hours before Charlie Kirk died.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Charlie informed people at turning Points, as well as Jewish
donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but
to abandon the pro Israel cause out right, Okay, Charlie
was done. He said it explicitly that he refused to
be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Did you keep by the way, she provides no receipts
or proof that this happened. She just says it did.
And of course we have the letter he wrote to
bb Not in Yahoo where he says he still loves
Israel pretty recent before he passed.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
But believe her, Can you guys answer, did he express that?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Did he also express that he wanted to bring me
Candace Owens back because he was standing up for himself,
And then did he just forty eight hours later?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So apparently also he wanted to bring her back into
the fold at Turning Point USA. But she's also repeatedly
claimed she never left the fold by the way, she said, well,
I just didn't event with them like last year, so
which is at Candace it does not add up. But
of course she's literally about to suggest that they killed
him because he was trying to bring her back into TPUSA.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Or conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our
on stage reunion could happen.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So his death, she's just asking questions, just suggesting that
he was killed by some cabal of Jewish donors insiders
at TPUSA and then people colluding to cover it up
inside the federal state and local governments in Utah and
the Trump administration because he was going to bring Candace
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back into the fold and change his position on Israel again. Guys,
extraordinary claims and extremely implausible scenarios require extraordinary evidence. But
all Candace has is speculation, feelings, cherry picked details, obsessed
(32:40):
over out of context, and an extreme dose of narcissism
and conspiracy brain. I don't know about y'all. I just
find it kind of sick. She's cashing in on this.
She's getting millions and millions of views, She's plugging sponsors
multiple times in every one of these videos. She is
getting messive attention to herself, and she's just using her
(33:04):
dead friend to do it and spinning this web where
it all traces back to her and her personal political issues.
Millions of people are being convinced of this vast conspiracy
by her and misled, and I just think it is
really disappointing. She's been caught in clear factual errors, multiple
contradictions of herself over and over again. And at some
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point people need to stop trusting voices that tell you
over and over again they are not trustworthy. It's a
real problem when people this irresponsible with their platform and
this sloppy, but their investigative work are among the most
listened to voices in America today. But that's Candice Ellans
and that's where we're at. I find it very concerning.
(33:46):
So that's just me. You guys, let me know if
you disagree, I'll hear you out in the comments. You
can always disagree with me here on this channel. Let
me know in the comments. And with that, guys, that'll
be it for today's episode of The Bread Versus Everyone Podcast.
Thanks much for tuning in, and we'll talk again. Take
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m HM.
Here's a message for Speaker of the House Mike Johnson.
Pay attention, Bud, I will release your Grinder profile and
your IP address.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
The TikToker is going viral for threatening to out a
high profile gay Republican, but I'm not buying it. We're
gonna break this down, plus so much more on today's
episode of The Barad Versus Everyone podcast, my daily show
(00:36):
where we take on the craziest ideas from across the Internet,
our media, and our politics. Up. First, guys, we've got
I don't know, TikTok, drama, political trauma, all of the above.
Some allegations have been made about a certain very high
profile Republican, Mike Johnson, who was the Speaker of House,
(01:00):
a Republican from Louisiana and a user has gone super
viral on TikTok for claiming that he has the receipts
Mike Johnson is secretly closeted and chatting with men on Grinder,
the gay hookup app, and he's threatening to release them
unless Mike Johnson does what he wants. Now, if this
(01:21):
sounds familiar, that's because it is. Liberals at least some
online have been obsessed with the idea that Mike Johnson
is a closeted gay Republican, and they have insisted that
there are receipts out there. A previous hoax did go viral,
of course, it was still spread by a lot of
liberal commentators, but PolitiFact debunked it. In March twenty twenty five,
(01:46):
a user claimed to have screenshots showing that Speaker Mike
Johnson was messaging with them on Grinder. However, PolitiFact debunked
that and showed that it used a CRPT version of
a publicly available foot photo of House Speaker Mike Johnson,
which was taken by a fellow House member at a
March fourth event, alongside what looked like screenshots of a
(02:07):
Grinder app chat. However, fake Grinder conversations are easy to
create using online generators, and the owner of the TikTok
account that shared these messages told PolitiFact that his source
said the message thread was two years old but included
a photo taken in March. So the whole thing was
a hoax that got debunked and fell apart. But here
(02:28):
we are again with another liberal claiming to have receipts
on this man. Without further ado, let's take a look
at the video that's going viral.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Hey, here's a message for Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.
Pay attention, Bud.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Oh my gosh, this guy really gives me the creeps.
I'm sorry. I'm gonna let him finish, but can we
just talk about the fact that he's like not giving reliable,
stay trustworthy source of information to me. Maybe I'm crazy, y'all.
Let me know.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
This is for Mike Johnson. If you're not Mike Johnson,
you can keep scrolling, or you can stay here and
listen to what I have to say. Hey, Mike, you
have until Wednesday. Just swear her in Wednesday or I
will release your grinder profile and your IP address. Oh.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
The context you need to know here is that a
bunch of Democrats are very upset at Mike Johnson because
he has yet to swear in a congresswoman that was
just elected in a special election, Representative at Alita Grivall
Grihalava of Arizona. Sorry about that who just won a
special election, He cites delays planning on swearing her in
(03:53):
in October. They think that he's trying to block the
release of the Ebsteine files because she would potentially to
get that over the finish line. Anyway, it's a hood drama,
but she will be sworn in. It's just a matter
of time. Anyway. He is apparently threatening Mike Johnson swear
her in or else. And I'm not a lawyer, don't
take legal advice from me, but that's giving illegal to me, Like,
(04:17):
I'm not really sure are you allowed to publicly blackmail
or coerce politicians into taking government actions that you prefer.
I don't know. That sounds not legal to me. I'm
just speculating there, but uh yeah, I kind of seems
like the thing you wouldn't be allowed to do, but
(04:37):
let alone do so publicly. But more importantly, I just
don't I don't believe any of this. But let's keep going.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I bring receipts. Bitch, you're not going to sit there
and actively work against LGBTQ rights and democracy. It is treason. Yeah,
I'm calling you out for treason. You have until Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
So apparently if you don't agree with this person's politics,
you are treasonous and deserve, by the way, guys, the
penalty for treason his death. So it's a pretty serious
accusation to make against somebody. But don't worry, guys, he
has receipts. Of course, these are really high quality receipts.
I'm sure that's why so many investigative journalists have received
(05:24):
them and decided to run with this. Oh wait, I mean,
I don't know it is. I will say that I
am ninety eight percent certain that he's full of crap,
and that maybe he believes the receipts are real. That's possible,
but that they're not actually real. It is much more
likely to me that somebody either made fake screenshots that
(05:45):
you got sent, or that somebody actually had an interaction
on Grinder with somebody claiming to be Mike Johnson, but
it was not in fact Mike Johnson. Because never say never.
People do stupid and crazy things. But even if Mike
Johnson were closeted and was hooking up with men on
the DL, he'd have to be kind of crazy to
(06:07):
be doing it on Grinder with a paper trail like
that would be so unwise and so foolish. I'm not
going to say it's impossible. But then the other thing
that is implausible to me is that this would then
just be in the hands of some random TikToker. I'm
telling you, if Mike Johnson was on Grinder in the
(06:29):
DC area or even back home in Louisiana, that would
get shown to some reporters who would verify it and
break the story and want the scoop. And the fact
that we're getting it from some rando on TikTok again
makes me think it's almost certainly not real. But I
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don't know. Does he seem trustworthy to y'all.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
To swear her in and let democracy take its course,
or I will lease your Grinder profile and your IP
address connects both to you, Mike. The choice is yours.
Do the right thing, because I'm petty and now I'm
(07:15):
not above this bullshit.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, he seems very stable, very lovely, guys, let me
know what you think. So far are you with me
that it must probably be asked? Let me know in
the comments, make sure subscribe to the like Mutton yet yet? Yeah,
but it seems like they really want this to be true.
I don't think it is true. There are definitely multiple
closeted gay Republicans in DC. I've heard the t I've
(07:40):
heard the allegations, I've heard the lore. Some of it.
I've even personally verified. As far as I'm concerned, I
think it's their business. I would say it's a little different.
I would consider potentially valid to out somebody if they're
cheating on their spouse, I think that's a little different.
Or if they're like really explicit super anti gay. But
(08:02):
I don't know, I really I don't know that you
can even then really justify violating someone's privacy like that.
But more importantly, I just don't believe that this is real.
If it was real, he would have released it. He
wouldn't be putting it all on the line to try
to get a woman sworn in who is going to
(08:22):
be sworn in no matter what. Like even Mike Johnson's
office is just saying they're going to do it later
in October, that really, you're gonna use your Trump card
for that to get her sworn in a few days earlier.
That's just none of it makes sense. But of course
he's doing the thing where you make an insane claim
and then you get a lot of backlash for said claim,
(08:45):
and that of course proves you right, because you're they're
only mad at you if you're over the target or
what have you. What, In fact, if you say crazy,
fake stuff, people get mad at you too for that,
So it doesn't in fact prove you right, but a
lot of people like to protect that it does. Here
is his follow up video. Of course he's now plugging.
Also a gofund me to fund his legal expenses. Not
(09:10):
sure that there are in fact legal expenses, but okay,
and would love to know where all that money's going
to end up anyway. Here is the update video that
he posted that is totally normal and not at all crazy.
Let's take a look.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
To say the last twenty four hours has been stressful
and chaotic would be an understatement.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
All right, sorry to pause already, but like, I don't know, bro,
what did you expect publicly threatening and extorting and trying
to blackmail one of the most powerful politicians in the
country with lurid sex allegations. Oh no, what a stressful experience.
At some point, like people never cease to amaze me
(09:57):
to the level at which they think they are entitled
to play stupid games without winning stupid prizes, like or
it's really wild that they think they can just do
whatever they want and they're shocked when people react to it.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
I have been talking with a lot of people, including
a fantastic team of lawyers, and I want to assure
everyone I am not a danger to myself or others.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh my gosh, the idea that he is going to
he needs to tell us all. Don't worry, guys. I'm
not going to delete myself as if, like what, the
CIA is gonna come hop in and take him out.
Come on.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
I find this delusion. It's giving delusions of grandeur right, Like,
there are much easier ways to silence someone than to
orchestrate a fake ending of you their own life. Okay,
And I think the idea that they would do that
(11:00):
and expect the problem to go away. I mean, no,
not a thing not happening. You're paranoid.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I am in a safe place. I have discussed this
with other people. I am no longer the only person
with this information. It is backed up multiple times.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
It's not though, because or it's almost certainly not, because
if it was, some actual investigative journalists would have verified
it and reported it seriously, Like hundreds of liberal reporters
who are very good at their jobs, even though they
have an ideological bias, will have been all over this
and would have if it was true, ran with it,
(11:51):
but they don't want to run with something that is
literally untrue and then get sued and have a huge problem,
whereas on TikTok, people like this just yap and they're
nobody's with no money, so they don't really have to
worry about getting sued. I guess.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
This in no way was a shakedown for anything.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
So that's the funny thing. I wonder if this elite
team of lawyers is trying to have him cover his
ass here because he publicly extorted the Speaker of the
House to try to blackmail him into doing his preferred
political outcomes. Like I said, that just sounds illegal. I
don't know if it is, but it sounds like something
that's probably against the law. And now they're like, this
(12:33):
was in no way a shakedown. I don't think you
can do that. Like if I publish a video making
a claim and then I just very explicitly or saying
something very clearly, and I just publish another video and
I'm like, no, takes me back seas like an, I
wasn't blackmailing you when I said do this or I
(12:53):
will do this. I don't think you can just unring
that bell like that I don't. I maybe those lawyers
are not advising you well. If they've told you that
will get you off the hook, I don't think it will,
sir anything.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
I stand to benefit nothing from this. I'm safe. My
lawyers are figuring out next steps now, and I'll be
laying low.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Well. This investigative journalist just seems incredibly stunning and brave
to me. He's already raised tens of thousands of dollars
off of this noble and altruistic enterprise that he's engaged in,
just trying to save democracy. Be a hero, totally not
brain rotted by MSNBC at all. I mean, here's the thing.
I'm not even sure what it would prove or do
(13:42):
if this all were true, Okay, I mean I would
think it would be horrible that Mike Johnson would be
having an affair and cheating on his family or whatever,
but like lots and lots of people in DC are
doing that very openly and shamelessly, and it wouldn't change
any of the policy debates or opinions. It wouldn't make
anything Mike Johnson has said or done wrong or right.
(14:05):
It would just be embarrassing for him, which I guess
if that excites you. Okay, but anyway, more importantly, it's
just it's not in fact true. One final update video
from this guy. He's really making the most of this
and milking it. Let's take a look at this final video. Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
It's Tuesday, September thirtieth, twenty twenty five, at about two
pm Eastern Standard time. In consultation with close friends, family,
and my attorney, we have decided the following steps are necessary.
Any and all materials in my possession related to this
matter have now been turned over to a trusted media authority,
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an investigative journalist, who will then vet the information and
report as necessary. Any and all copies of this information
that we're in my possession are now out of my
possession and have been turned over to several different sources.
If anything should happen to me, this will trigger those
sources to release that information as well. This is hard.
(15:09):
This is something I never planned on. Obviously it got
the attention it did. TikTok has put an account ban
warning on my account and taken down that video. So
I'm keeping you updated, as many people have asked me
to do. I am not backing down. This is democracy.
(15:32):
Democracy will prevail. They may get me in the short term,
but in the long term, democracy will prevail. Now is
the time for us to stand up and speak out
for what.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Is right, all right, I've had enough of listening to
him yap. Honestly, if he turned it over to investigative
if journalists, if they're actual ones, they will look into
the metadata, they will verify it. They'll find out like
politifac did that it's almost certainly not real. If these
are random partisan hacks or other influencers who maybe pose
(16:04):
as journalists and then they publish it, it will eventually
get debunked. Unless it is true. Unless this guy is
just you know, we're about to drop the Pentagon papers
on us. He's the unexpected journalistic hero we never knew
we needed, who definitely doesn't seem at all like he's
missed his medication. I don't know, you guys, let me
(16:25):
know what you think in the comments. This is blowing
up all over the internet. I just I find it
so far fetched. I think if this information was really
out there, there are so many hundreds, if not thousands,
of journalists who would have loved to get this story
and would have chased it down that the idea that
some random, deranged seeming person on TikTok would be the
(16:45):
ones with the goods on Mike Johnson just strikes me
as incredibly far fetched, not impossible, but incredibly incredibly unlikely.
What do y'all think? Let me know in the comments.
Make sure subscribe. Yeah, remember in your voicemails for my
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(17:08):
The link to send in one of those is in
the description. Up next, guys, we are going to check
in with the I almost said Mega, but she's not
even really Mega anymore. She's just like tinfoil hat right
wing kind of YouTube star Candice Owens, who of course
(17:28):
was very good close friends with Charlie Kirk, who was
brutally murdered and assassinated, and she's crashing out. She's spreading
insane conspiracies about his death, and she's finally starting to
get caught in some of these lies and in some
of these contradictions in a way that should be I think, discrediting,
(17:50):
but unfortunately millions and millions are still tuning in to her.
She still has one of the top podcasts in America,
and she's spreading some really remarkably disinga newest analysis and speculation.
First though, and a couple of the clips I'm going
to show you are from somebody named milk Bar TV
who is an anti candas Owen's critic but has compilated,
(18:11):
has made compilations just of clips of her next to
other clips of her contradicting herself. It's all none of
it's fake. It's all sourced directly from her podcast episodes. Anyway,
this is just funny to me. This one will get
into the substantive errors Candace is making and the false
information she's spreading to millions. But first, I just want
(18:32):
to play this for you because Candace is on record
and kind of made her brand originally with the like
facts don't care about your feelings mentality, which I mean
when it comes to logic, is true, though feelings are important,
But a lot of her conspiracy theories about Charlie's death
just come off to it, in her words, feeling weird,
(18:54):
and she doesn't seem to see how that's like contradictory
with the logical approach she took earlier in her career.
Listen to this dichotomy of Candice before and then that I.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Could be incorrect. I may a feeling is not a fact.
Everything just spiritually feels very wrong here. Yeah, it feels
like we are being lied to by who. I am
not sure. We watched Charlie get shot in the throat.
That feels a little bit symbolic. It feels like they
wanted us to know that his voice was problematic. That again,
(19:28):
to me, feels like he's a decoy. Like more people
are involved in this, and I will say that we
don't know, but we know about something's wrong with this
because if I don't feel good, this feels to me
like a conspiracy.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
It feels a little fake and gay. Gotta tell you, guys,
it feels a little faking gay.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I do find the line that she uses genuinely funny,
like comical, which is like fake and gay. I mean,
it's kind of camp. It's funny. You see TikTokers using
it now. I'm not offended by it whatever, but it
is just interesting for the facts. Don't care about your feelings, lady, right.
That was something she used to say all the time.
(20:05):
So much of the conspiracy about around Charlie Kirk's death
and other things, many other things, just because it feels
wrong to her, It doesn't feel right. There is a
big contradiction there. And when you're making I always come
back to this. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Candace
does not have extraordinary evidence. She has things. She extrapolates
(20:29):
theories and then cherry picked and distorted details out of
context and leaving out crucial information, and then she connects
it all with feelings it feels true. A great example
of this is how Candace has handled the debate over
the Charlie Kirk letter to Bibi Netan Yahoo, the leader
(20:49):
of Israel. Now Candace because she is spreading simultaneously the
idea that maybe Israel killed Charlie, that maybe it was
an inside job to TPUSA because they were worried that
he was going to go against Israel and they were
going to lose all this pro Israel money, all this
stuff that really is incredibly far fetched, she claimed when
(21:10):
people pointed out that right before his death, or a
little bit before his death, Charlie had written a letter
to bib net Yaho professing his love for Israel but
offering some constructive criticism about how they could better defend
Israel and have a better kind of He called it
the information war. She publicly said that Bibi nett and
Yahoo was lying about the letter being pro Israel, being
(21:33):
a love letter to Israel, and to release the full letter.
She thus acknowledged the letter was real and that the
parts of it that Bibi Netanya who was citing was true.
Now they've released the whole letter, it was in fact
constructive criticism. But Charlie repeatedly said how much he loves
Israel and wants Israel to win, But now she's denying it.
(21:56):
So here's the before and after from Candace, also compiled
by milk Bar TV.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Towards the end, Charlie was just authoring love letters to Israel,
giving them a perspective of here's how we can win
the property. Here's what you guys need to do. You
need to work with this hellal whatever it is. You
have the same people that are calling me a to Semitic.
You need to work with those people harder. And he
was just putting it on paper. But was it an email?
What was that that they were sharing on the New
(22:21):
York Post The Israeli posts first and Foremo.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, so that's Candace suggesting that this letter is fake.
Now we're going to flash back to Candace previously acknowledging
that the quotes and the letter are real, but just
calling for the whole thing to be released because apparently
she'd seen it all and believed it. But now it's
fake now that it has been released.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
First and foremost, that letter he is holding up, he
is severely misrepresenting.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
Those sentences are real.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I'm saying, you're severely misrepresenting the contents where of his
deep love for Israel to a letter to net and Yahoo.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
We're supposed to believe the sent that as an email.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
By the way, somebody clarify an email they were sharing
or did he send it in the mail to him?
Speaker 4 (23:04):
Could somebody share that?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
And you're doubling down on your lie. I told you
to publish the full letter that Charlie wrote you, not
lines of it. Okay, So Lie, by omission, he lied
about the contents of a letter that Charlie Kirk had
written him.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I'm assuming it was an email.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Can someone show in a timestamp on that just kind
of like authenticate that email because I'm very aware of
what's going on.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Okay, And I don't.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Know how the executives over at Turning Point, USA sleep
at night.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Honestly, I don't know how Candace sleeps at night. Well,
I do, because I think she's a true believer. I
think she believes this stuff. I don't think she's like
a grifter in the lying sense, where you know, she
plays a character on TV. I think she truly believes
this and has drank the kool aid and convinced herself
that only she can see the truth. But it's just
so interesting how she shifts the goalposts because originally, when
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Bibi Netanyahu, of whom I'm no fan by the way,
made the claimed that Charlie had written a love letter
to Israel and drew out specific quotes of things that
he said, she said, yeah, those quotes are real. Yeah
he wrote a letter, but released the full letter. And
then they released the full letter with those exact quotes
in it. It was verified by people very close to Charlie,
(24:16):
including his producer and one of his best friends, that yes,
that's real, the letter is correct. It's all fake now
it was real before, now it's fake. I mean, she
just any evidence that contradicts the conspiracy she's decided upon
is fake and gay. Any speculative evidence that can possibly
(24:39):
be felt to be in supportive of the thing she
thinks is true is real and valid. And then also
there's just a remarkable sloppiness to the investigative work that
she does. Is Candice is very entertaining, very charismatic, and
very gifted. But what she is not is some sort
of thorough investigative reporter and analyst. And so one of
(25:03):
the big arguments of this whole conspiracy she's pushing that
the whole thing, Tyler Robinson, the alleged shooter, the local police,
the state authorities, the federal government all conspired to frame
this guy. She thinks that the text messages between Tyler
Robinson and the partner romantic partner are all fake. All
three levels of government, dozens of people colluded to write
(25:26):
fake messages. Part of her evidence for that is that
he used words that don't sound like how normal people talk.
For example, vehicle and retrieve are words that he used
in the text, And she said on her show that like,
normal people don't text like that, that's fake. That sounds
like police writing fake texts. Now, the remarkable thing about
(25:48):
that is that one. What's more likely this grand conspiracy
faking texts, or that an extremely weird dude who was
into like furries and online circles wrote in a strange
way to his trans identifying lover to me that the
latter is much more likely than the former. But the
(26:08):
funny thing is there's actually police footage from I Think
a pullover where Tyler Robinson uses the word vehicle, so
like this word that he totally wouldn't say because people
don't use that word. They just say car. And Kendae
left that footage out in her show, specifically omitted it
(26:32):
and used this footage of him actually apparently not saying
it as proof that he doesn't talk like that. This
is a remarkable clip. Take a look at this, also
from milk Bar TV.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
There's old footage of Tyler Robinson that is now circulating
from a car accident that he had, and during the
discussion with the officer that showed up, Tyler certainly refers
to it as his car, not his vehicle, because that's
how most Americans, how most English speakers refer to a
(27:04):
car unless they're in the military or on the police force.
So here is twenty twenty two police bodycam footage in
case you miss that of Tyler making a crash report.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Take a listen.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Your mom's on her way. Yeah, she's gotta vmnag. She's
got to shuttle over from where she's at to her
car and then drive over.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
Gotcha.
Speaker 4 (27:27):
His mother was going to shuttle over from her car. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, So here's the thing you need to know. Again,
she's suggesting that the text where he refers to his
vehicle must be fake and must have been written by
cops or by the military or something, because in the
text he says vehicle instead of car. And her evidence
for this is that she found a clip of him
once referring to a car. Now, that would not actually
(27:56):
prove anything. I have used the word vehicle at some
times my life, but I more commonly say car. And
if you had texts for me where I said, oh,
you know our rental vehicle, right, and then you found
footage of me later talking about my car, that wouldn't
disprove that I once used the word vehicle. It doesn't
even make sense. But what was so sloppy and so
(28:19):
remarkable about this particular bit is that Candice left out
more footage either through just incompetence or deceit. She left
out more footage from that same bodycam footage where he
says the word vehicle. Watch this also again from milk Bar. Yeah,
I was looking up at the light just before getting there,
(28:40):
so i'd shift yellow.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
And as I get into the intersection, being bolts, there
was a vehicle in the lane.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
There you go, his vehicle. Her whole conspiracy about the
text being fake is the word vehicle is debunked by
the footage she selectively did not play for her audience. Wow.
Again here she is talking about how it must be
fake because he says vehicle on September eighteenth.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
That's something that you say. I'm just going to go
outside to my vehicle. I left something in my vehicle. Currently,
they just shoot the breeze with one another and they
say vehicle and retrieve. And if you don't believe me,
then good. You shouldn't believe that. You shouldn't believe me
when I say that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Oka and milk Bar also included this funny thing because
her whole thing is how people don't say vehicle. He
also included footage of her repeatedly referring to a vehicle.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
That and Nick was particularly asking him to determine who
owned a white vehicle. And everyone locally had had looked
at this vehicle, so I can help you figure out
more about this vehicle. And suddenly a president gets shot
in a moving vehicle. November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.
JFK was shot. President JFKA was shot sitting alongside his wife.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
In a vehicle.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But people don't say vehicle, They only just say car, right,
and that proves the grand conspiracy. I don't know. I
find it to be crazy. I find it to be ridiculous,
and I find it to be deeply harmful to be
spreading this misinformation in these conspiracy theories, to be omitting
such crucial facts from your audience. And there's a fundamental
amount of narcissism here. She has managed to, at least
(30:18):
to her millions of followers, make Charlie Kirk's tragic assassination
first and foremost about herself and her personal political agenda. Really,
there's a degree of narcissism wrapped in with the conspiracy
brain here that is mind blowing. Watch this final clip,
also highlighted by Milk Dark Type.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
About forty eight hours before Charlie Kirk died.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Charlie informed people at turning Points, as well as Jewish
donors and a rabbi that he had no choice but
to abandon the pro Israel cause out right, Okay, Charlie
was done. He said it explicitly that he refused to
be bullied anymore by the Jewish donors.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Did you keep by the way, she provides no receipts
or proof that this happened. She just says it did.
And of course we have the letter he wrote to
bb Not in Yahoo where he says he still loves
Israel pretty recent before he passed.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
But believe her, Can you guys answer, did he express that?
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Did he also express that he wanted to bring me
Candace Owens back because he was standing up for himself,
And then did he just forty eight hours later?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
So apparently also he wanted to bring her back into
the fold at Turning Point USA. But she's also repeatedly
claimed she never left the fold by the way, she said, well,
I just didn't event with them like last year, so
which is at Candace it does not add up. But
of course she's literally about to suggest that they killed
him because he was trying to bring her back into TPUSA.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Or conveniently catch a bullet to the throat before our
on stage reunion could happen.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
So his death, she's just asking questions, just suggesting that
he was killed by some cabal of Jewish donors insiders
at TPUSA and then people colluding to cover it up
inside the federal state and local governments in Utah and
the Trump administration because he was going to bring Candace
(32:17):
back into the fold and change his position on Israel again. Guys,
extraordinary claims and extremely implausible scenarios require extraordinary evidence. But
all Candace has is speculation, feelings, cherry picked details, obsessed
(32:40):
over out of context, and an extreme dose of narcissism
and conspiracy brain. I don't know about y'all. I just
find it kind of sick. She's cashing in on this.
She's getting millions and millions of views, She's plugging sponsors
multiple times in every one of these videos. She is
getting messive attention to herself, and she's just using her
(33:04):
dead friend to do it and spinning this web where
it all traces back to her and her personal political issues.
Millions of people are being convinced of this vast conspiracy
by her and misled, and I just think it is
really disappointing. She's been caught in clear factual errors, multiple
contradictions of herself over and over again. And at some
(33:25):
point people need to stop trusting voices that tell you
over and over again they are not trustworthy. It's a
real problem when people this irresponsible with their platform and
this sloppy, but their investigative work are among the most
listened to voices in America today. But that's Candice Ellans
and that's where we're at. I find it very concerning.
(33:46):
So that's just me. You guys, let me know if
you disagree, I'll hear you out in the comments. You
can always disagree with me here on this channel. Let
me know in the comments. And with that, guys, that'll
be it for today's episode of The Bread Versus Everyone Podcast.
Thanks much for tuning in, and we'll talk again. Take
(34:10):
m HM.
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