June 19, 2025 • 35 mins
The US Supreme Court just struck a blow against child gender changes, and trans activists/TikTok influencers are NOT coping well. I break it down in this episode of the Brad vs Everyone podcast. Plus, the craziest segment on The View of all time and an INSANE incident involving Ana Kasparian on the "Her Take" podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's be clear, this decision will cost lives.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
This court is intent to dismantle any rights that we have,
not just transgender people, but all minorities.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
These people say that they're pro life, but only for
lives that they approve of.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
The Supreme Court just ruled against child sex changes and
transactivists are not coping.
Speaker 5 (00:19):
Well, we're going to break this down plus so much
more on today's episode of The Barad Versus Everyone podcast,
my daily show where we take on the craziest ideas
from across the internet, our media, and our politics, all
from an independent perspective.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Up first, like I mentioned, we're going to talk about
the huge US Supreme Court case that was just handed
down where a six to three majority comprised of the
Conservative majority and the Supreme Court ruled in favor of
red states that have restricted or banned gender transition treatments
for minors aka child sex changes, like puberty blockers and
(01:02):
hormone therapy, and ruled against the ACLU and a number
of plaintiffs who argued that those were unconstitutional violations of
the Equal Protection Clause. And guys, well, I certainly agree
with this ruling. Some people in the LGBT movement, particularly transactivists,
are absolutely losing it over this. First, here's some reporting
(01:24):
from CNN that's surprisingly fairly neutral to get you caught
up on the facts of what went down.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
The US Supreme Court has just upheld a Tennessee law
that bans gender affirming care for minors even if it's
prescribed by a doctor. Our chief Legal Affairs, Course bout
A Paula read is following all these developments. Firus Paula,
What can you tell us about the Supreme Court's decision?
Speaker 7 (01:44):
Well, if this is one of the big cases we've
been watching this term because roughly half of states have
a ban that is similar to the one in Tennessee,
and this focuses on access to certain medications that can
facilitate a gender transition. After Tennessee band miners from Axis
sing these medications for this purpose families of transgender youth,
they brought a lawsuit saying, hey, this violates the equal
(02:06):
protection clause because other miners who are using the same
medication for different purposes can still have access to it.
But today, in this six' to three, decision it fell
along party. Lines The Supreme court affirmed this law In
tennessee and in the, Majority Chief Justice John roberts, wrote
this case carries with it the weight of fierce scientific
(02:28):
and policy debates about the, safety, efficacy and propriety of
medical treatments in an evolving.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Field now we'll turn to the extremely bizarre and unhinged
reaction to this decision across The, internet but particularly on
websites like blue sky and. TikTok in my personal favorite,
example The harvard law instructor and former congressional Witness Alejandro
carabaio tweeted in response to, this OR i guess blue
(02:56):
skied in response to, THIS i honestly don't care anymore
if this country destroys itself and burns down to the.
Ground the current form of The United states is incompatible
with democracy or human. Rights it no longer has any
chance at legitimacy to, govern And i'll dance on its.
Grave let something better rise from the. Ashes, Uh alejandro seems.
(03:21):
Stable seriously imagine wanting to burn the entire country down
and start over because roughly half the states aren't going
to be allowing child sex changes and The Supreme court
ruled that it's legal for them to do. So slightly
disproportionate response there even if you disagree with the ruling,
deeply WHICH i absolutely do. Not to be, clear now
(03:42):
we're going to get to the response On TikTok and
across the. Internet for, example here is transgender Activist Aaron
reid responding to the ruling On.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
TikTok The Supreme court just ruled that transgender people have
no constitutional protections whenever it comes to the medically necessary
care that we. Need this is the same logic that
was used In loving Versus, virginia where The state Of
virginia tried to argue that it wasn't banning black people
from marrying white, people but rather it was banning interracial
marriage for all races. Equally it's a horrific ruling, Historically
(04:15):
so the only silver lining is that they didn't rule
on broader trans rights. Issues so for, now rulings and
passports and bathrooms and more are still. Safe but it's
clear that this court is intent to dismantle any rights
that we, have not just transgender, people but all.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Minorities so, wow quite the statement, there. Guys this is
WHY i say That Aaron, reid WHILE i have nothing
Against aaron, personally is not a reliable source for Information
sometimes people will send Me Aaron reid's, journalism which IS i,
think deeply suspect and basically, activism and try to cite
(04:50):
points from, it And i'll engage with. Them but, Frankly
aaron is not a good source of. Information i've Found
aaron mischaracterizing laws and bills and studies on many occasions her,
work and in this, CASE i, mean what she just
said is is a clear misunderstanding of the ruling that
also makes wildly untrue and hyperbolic. Claims the idea that
(05:11):
The Supreme court wants to abolish all minority rights totally
for all minorities is just like obviously not. True in,
fact two of the judges in the six', Three Ruling
john roberts And Justin Justice neil gorsich, my favorite they
actually ruled in another case to expand gay and transgender
(05:32):
rights and. Employment law so they, are not, you know
committed to abolishing. All rights they just upheld this particular
case involving state laws banning children from receiving medical sex
changes as legal. And proper the claim that they want
to abolish all minority rights at all just shows that
you are maybe you're letting your emotion get. TO you i,
(05:54):
don't know but you're not analyzing things objectively or. Factually
whatsoever But The supreme court actually ruled was not that
trans people are entitled to no constitutional protections at all
or anything, like that but that these laws which restrict
or ban puberty blockers and hormones from being prescribed to
minors for the purposes of treating gender dysphoria a. Mental,
(06:15):
condition well what they said was that these laws discriminate along.
Two lines age which. Is allowed you are allowed to
discriminate on age in. The law that's not a prohibited
characteristic Under. The constitution and the second one is discriminating between.
A diagnosis so these treatments are allowed in some cases for,
(06:37):
some purposes but not in other cases for. Other, purposes so,
for example it is legal under these laws to prescribe
somebody puberty blockers if they have, precocious puberty a medical
condition where puberty starts for them a few years. Too
early they want to pause it and then let them
go through their birth sex puberty a few, years later
(06:58):
when you know the rest of their peer group does and.
Not prematurely that's, Still allowed but prescribing puberty blockers for
the purposes of treating gender dysphoria a mental condition is.
Not allowed so it's a very basic aspect of regulating
medicine that a treatment can be legal to treat one
thing and not legal to treat. Another thing and in,
(07:19):
this case it's not discriminating against people on the basis,
of sex which is WHAT the acl, you argued because
a person regardless of their sex can't get these treatments for,
gender dysphoria so they can't get them to treat this particular,
mental condition but they can get them if they have
precocious puberty or another one of these. Physical conditions the
(07:39):
sex of the person is not a butt four cause
of whether they can or cannot receive a. Certain treatment
that makes it fundamentally different from something like, interracial marriage
where people are denied the ability to access fundamentally the
same thing because of, their race which is just marrying
the person of. Your choosing in, this case we're talking
about two. Different things it is not honest or accurate
(08:03):
to suggest that giving someone puberty blockers to block their
birth sex puberty and then cross sex hormones so they
go through a puberty resembling that of the opposite sex
in order to treat a mental condition known as. Gender
dysphoria is the same thing as delaying puberty for a
year or two with puberty blockers because of precocious puberty a,
physical condition and then allowing them to go through their
(08:25):
birth sex puberty to treat a. Physical condition these aren't the.
Same thing so that's why the. Lawsuit fail and it's
not because they use the same logic as people who denied.
Interracial marriage and a Lot of aaron's argument just kind
of begs the question assumes things that are actually the
core of, the dispute which is whether these treatments are
safe for kids are. Medically necessary the weight of the
(08:46):
evidence and the conclusion that legislators in many of these
states have reached suggests that they. Are Not but aaron,
just frames, you know they're denying medically, necessary care kind
of assuming what is actually at the core of the
debate as fact when it. Is, not guys now we're
going to watch the second Clip from TikTok that i
pulled about the kind of unhinged discourse after. This ruling
(09:07):
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Speaker 8 (09:40):
At it YadA.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
YadA, yah now let's take a look at this second
clip where we're essentially told that if we support state
level bands on child, sex changes we have blood on.
Our hands take, A listen, but, warning guys this is.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Unhinged Rhetoric The supreme court Just upheld tennessee's ban on
gender forming care for. Trans you let's, be clear this
decision will. Cost lives more than forty percent of trans
youth seriously, consider suicide but when they have access to gender,
affirming care that risk. Drops dramatically this ruling forces families into.
(10:15):
Impossible choices they may have to flee, their state split
up their families go into debt just to keep their.
Kids alive the court didn't just, fail us it. Chose
cruelty it gave politicians the power to, override, doctors families
and trans. Youth themselves it betrayed every child who, needed
protection and it turned its back when it mattered.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
The most and these people say that they're, pro life
but only for lives that they. Approve of i'm living
proof that it is vital that trans kids have access to.
This care it saves. Their lives it saved. My life
this moment that, we're in. It's dangerous these policies do
not protect. Trans kids they. Hurt them they hurt all.
(10:57):
Of us they're fueling real, world violence especially against trans women.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Of, color wow the random aside at. THE end, i
mean this stuff is, Really SERIOUS so i don't want,
to laugh but it almost cracks, me up like we
are somehow to blame for alleged acts of violence against
trans women of color if we oppose child. Sex, changes
no that's. Not true you can't, invoke random statistically dubious
claims about violence as a way of shutting down debate
(11:25):
on a totally. Unrelated issue we of course condemn VIOLENCE
and i almost any advocate of these bands or restrictions
would condemn violence against trans women. Of color so that's
just like a random guilt by association attempt to distract
or emotionally, manipulate us which is unfortunately the broader rhetorical.
Strategy here and you saw this rhetoric echoed by the
(11:46):
way in statements of this will cost, trans lives in statements, from,
many Many many democratic senators and Members of congress after.
This ruling there's just. One problem it's. Not true it's
based on, a lie a, false premise and it's a
bit of emotional demagoguery that's being used to basically smear
(12:07):
and scare people into shutting up and going along with
EXPERIMENTAL and i think unethical medical treatments being given. To
Minors so i'm going to get into the weeds a
little bit, on this but to, be clear this is
a very common argument and talking point that if you
don't allow transgender identifying youth or gender confused youth to
(12:28):
access puberty blockers and, hormone therapy that they will. Kill
themselves and so if you, oppose that you have blood
on your hands because you're taking away medications that, reduce
suicide and you are trapping people in this state where
more of them will. Kill themselves that has explicitly been
the argument many a doctor, has told and this is
(12:49):
even captured in A Recent New york times Podcast Called.
The protocol many a transactivist doctor has, told parents would
you rather have a dead son or a living daughter or?
Vice versa and it's a Very compelling THAT'S why i
have sympathy for parents in. This situation it's a very emotionally.
Compelling argument, of. COURSE nobody i don't care if you're
trans or. NOT trans i don't want anyone to take
(13:10):
that tragic and horrible decision to end your. OWN life
i want you to. GET help i want to personally.
Help you i've struggled seriously with mental health in in,
the past so my heart breaks for, these people and
of course we want what's best. For THEM so i
bristle at this notion, that, like oh if we disagree,
with this we have blood on, our hands we're going to.
Cause suicides because it, is literally factually. Not True and
(13:31):
i'm gonna. Explain that as the Science Reporter benjamin ryan
explained on x only one study has ever directly assessed
whether prescribing cross sex hormones to use with gender dysphoria
is associated with a statistically significant independent difference in the
suicide death rate. Among them this study found no. Such,
association therefore claims such as those that denying such treatment
(13:55):
of minors will lead to suicide are not. Evidence based
in the same WAY the uk is extraordinarily comprehensive cast
review By doctor hillary cass reviewing the evidence and research into,
this subject concluded that it has been suggested that hormone
treatment reduces the elevated risk of death by suicide in,
this population but the evidence found did not support. This conclusion,
(14:17):
in fact this claim that this medication, reduces suicide so
if you restrict access, to it you are causing more
suicides is. So untrue it is so factually baseless that
even the ACLU's, Lead Attorney, chase strangio who is a,
radical transactivist admitted during the oral arguments that there's not
(14:39):
actually factual support for. That claim take a listen to
this clip directly from the Exchange That chase strangeo Had
With Supreme Court Justice. Samuel alito do you maintain.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
That the procedures and medications in question reduce the risk.
Speaker 9 (14:58):
OF suicide I Do justice leader maintain that the medications
in question reduce the risk, of, depression anxiety, and suicidality
which are all indicators of. Potential suicide and do you
think that's?
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Clearly established do you think there's reason for disagreement?
Speaker 9 (15:14):
ABOUT that i do think it is clearly established in
the science and in. THE record, i think as with
all underlying questions, of it looking, at evidence there can.
BE disagreement i don't, dispute that but here and sort
of going back to questions ABOUT The, cast review, for
EXAMPLE The cast review only looked at studies up until twenty.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
Twenty, TWO well i don't REGARD The cast review as
necessarily As the bible or as something that's true in.
Every respect but on page one ninety five FOR The,
cast report it says there is no evidence that gender
affirmative treatments. Reduce SUICIDE.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
What i think that is referring to is there is
no evidence in the study that this treatment reduces. Completed
suicide and the reason for that is, completed, suicide thankfully
and admittedly it, is rare and we're talking about a
very small population of individuals with studies that don't necessarily
have completed suicides. Within, them however there are, multiple studies,
(16:18):
long term longitudinal studies that do show that there is
a reduction, in SUICIDALITY which i think is a positive
outcome to.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
This treatment this is a really. REMARKABLE admission, I mean
strangio basically just admit it that The main democratic talking
point that these treatments literally stop and prevent suicides is. Not,
true now some will retreat to the idea that some
studies activists point to say that these treatments reduce suicidality
(16:50):
aka thinking and thoughts. About suicide but suicidality is not
directly linked. With suicide, far, far far far far more
people experience some form of suicidality at, some point and
of course we want, that alleviated but it doesn't mean
they will actually end. Their lives only a tiny percentage.
Actually do and, more importantly the evidence actually does not
(17:13):
support the claim either that access to these treatment for
minors reduces suicidality or suicidal. Thoughts either, in fact the
major twenty twenty two study that people constantly cite to
support this claim has been debunked By Journalist. Jesse single
it was total, activist pseudoscience and, in fact the underlying
(17:33):
data they found showed that when you gave kids puberty blockers,
and hormones their mental health did. Not improve. That's right
it showed the opposite of what the activist authors claimed
and then was parroted in the media in its actual,
underlying data and just through extreme dishonesty and misleading sleights,
of hand they portrayed a totally different narrative than the
(17:56):
way the one that their study. Actually SHOWED so i
just really really reject and resent this emotionally manipulative narrative
where you're trying to blame people, for suicides even though
if they dare disagree with you about the ethics of
a experimental form of medicine. On children but the propaganda
(18:16):
has worked on, this one it. Really has the message has,
been internalized and they just keep repeating this over and
over and, over again even though there's no factual basis.
TO it i will not fall for that emotional manipulation. And,
GASLIGHTING now i do want to play one more Clip
from TikTok that i thought, was interesting if not. Particularly
eloquent take a listen.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
TO this i don't think you guys realize how insane
The Whole Scrimmetti supreme court situation. Actually is they might
not even stop at Miners, because okay people keep saying, it's,
like oh it's, It's miners like it's miners that are
just going to. Be effected it's literally. Just children they're
not going to stop. At, Kids babe they're not going
to stop. At kids, i'm sorry they're not going to stop.
(18:57):
At kids to stop, at kids there's, no like you
really think they're going to stop at. Just children.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You're out of your.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
Goddamn minds so.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
This TikTok, ACTUALLY raises i think a very, interesting point
and others have raised the dilearmor about this. As well
IN The Us supreme court decision, about This the, skurmetti
ruling there's really nothing about that logic that couldn't be
used to also uphold a state level ban on gender
affirming care being legal. FOR adults i actually think. THAT'S
(19:32):
true i think this critique, is CORRECT but i don't
have the same response to it that these types. Seem
to the takeaway, for, me then is that it may
be constitutional for states to choose to ban gender transition.
Of adults maybe there is nothing in the constitution that
prohibits them from. Doing so it doesn't mean therefore that
(19:53):
states will do this or that they should. Do this
not everything that is legally permissible for a legislature to
win act, is, wise, prudent fair or should or. Will
happen and so my take on, it, is well maybe
they legally could ban this, for ADULTS but i actually
do think a lot of people draw, Significant distinction so
(20:15):
it's not, just oh they're all secretly after. ADULTS too
i MYSELF and i think, many others absolutely draw a
huge distinction between miners. AND adults i do believe adults
should be free to do basically whatever they want with their.
Own body that absolutely includes taking hormones or receiving gender
transition surgeries if as adults they decide that's what will
(20:37):
be best, for THEM and i will speak out against
it and advocate against it if states do try to
ban that kind of thing, for adults and that would
be the right. Approach HERE but i have TO say
i Think the TikToker may be correct that this legal
decision would provide a precedent to uphold a future ban
at the state level if it were passed. For adults but,
to me the solution is just to democratically advocate against
(20:59):
such a big not to try to rewrite the law
or the correct. Constitutional, interpretation, anyway guys this is a
Really Huge supreme, court CASE and i see a lot
of people crying that the sky is falling. About IT but,
i honestly at the end of, THE day i have
compassion for the complexity of a lot of these issues
(21:21):
and the exact right way to treat gender. CONFUSED youth
i know there are some kids who genuinely truly have
extreme gender dysphoria from a very, young age but we
cannot allow the current system to continue where people are
with very little gatekeeping, in safeguards given these experimental treatments
with no evidence base proving that they are effective, or
(21:42):
safe we just can't allow this. To continue and as
Far as, i'm concerned this ruling is a win. For
sanity but what do you? Guys think let me know in.
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going to react to the most unhinged segment to ever
Air On, the view that bastion of serious dialogue on
(22:26):
cable news OVER. On abc, and guys that's saying something
Because the delulu is off the charts with all but
one really of the hosts of. That show yet this takes.
The cake this is actually the most insane segment to
ever Air On. The view we're Talking, about iran and
one of, The hosts Alyssa, fair GRIFFIN who i LIKE
(22:47):
and i, actually think, is saying even IF though i
disagree with her on a lot, of things made the, point,
that like whatever you think of the foreign policy questions
about what we should Do, with iran it's a bad
place with a. Bad regime Then whoopee goldberg decided to
like bizarrely try to conflate the state of human rights
and Freedom in iran and Modern. Day, america, yes seriously
(23:09):
take a listen.
Speaker 11 (23:10):
To this but let's just, remember Too the iranians literally
throw gay people off. Of buildings they don't hear the Basic, human.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
Listen Let's not let's not. Do that let's not, do
that because if we start, with that we have we
have been known in this country to tie gay folks
To the.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I'm sorry but what the actual is she. Talking about
we can't Criticize the iranian regime for giving gay people
the death penalty because what because there have been hate
crimes carried out by private citizens in the Past, in
america what what is she? Talking about it is obviously
(23:51):
incredibly different to live in a society where people are
free to, be gay but occasionally there are statistically very
rarerble crimes that are then prosecuted, and punished carried out
by private citizens against another private citizen in motivated by
hate and the regime where it's illegal to, be gay
and they will actually the government will. Kill you those
(24:12):
are not the, same thing will be like you you've
actually lost, The plot you've actually gone. Too far, and
guys this wasn't like something she, just said but she
wasn't fully hadn't fully thought, It through, like no she
stood on business on. This remark take. A listen as the,
conversation continued.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
The word iran.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
Not just.
Speaker 12 (24:34):
Black people so it is not even.
Speaker 11 (24:36):
THE same. I, couldn't no that's not what you mean.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
To say it is.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
The, same no it's.
Speaker 11 (24:41):
Not the year twenty twenty Five The united states is
nothing LIKE if i stepped foot wearing this young Inter
From so, I'M sorry i can't have my, HAIR showing
i can't wear. A skirt i can't Have my i'm,
telling YOU and i literally said it.
Speaker 10 (24:56):
Was up to.
Speaker 11 (24:56):
The, people yes it.
Speaker 12 (24:58):
Is up and THAT'S WHY i i am. Saying that
it is. The same murdering someone for their difference is.
Not good whoever does it's.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Not good so THAT'S why.
Speaker 12 (25:13):
I said you you weren't saying What YOU what i
heard was not what.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
You, MEANT yeah i think it's very different live In
The united states in twenty twenty five than it is
to live in a world if, you're black not, for
everybody not if.
Speaker 10 (25:25):
You're.
Speaker 12 (25:25):
Black guys.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
SO good i love the live studio audience of the
view clapping, at, that like oh, my god go off
queen when she just said the Craziest thing i've ever
heard in, my Life, Low ki what what it is
the same to be a black person In modern america
or to be a woman living Under oppressive sharia Law?
(25:48):
In iran what are you? Talking? About whoopee are? You
Crazy like i'm not even saying it's perfect for black
People in america. Or anything they may face serious challenges
and nowhere near like, the, dystopian repressive theocratic Regime. Of
iran and she's saying like it's. The same we kill
(26:09):
people for being different and they kill people for. Being
different what are you? Talking About The united states government
doesn't kill people for. Being Different the iranian. Government Does
The united States Government and i'm a huge critic of,
our government to, be clear but it doesn't lock people
up because of them violating the official state religion or
(26:33):
mandates about how they have to cover themselves and dress
certain ways. In Public the iranian. Regime does like it's
not a, hot take no matter where you, fall politically
that Modern day america is freer than Modern. Day iran
it's just. A fact and you. Sound crazy you want
to play this Clip Of guy benson criticizing This on
(26:54):
FOX because i think he made some pretty.
Speaker 13 (26:56):
Good, POINTS well i call that show a daily nationally televised.
In asylum for, a reason it's hard to overstate the
moral idiocy of what we just heard there From What
be goldberg, In Particular So alissa fair is making the
point correctly about how people are subjugated brutally By the
iranian regime And what, Be's, like, oh well look at
(27:16):
what we do here IN. The us there are hate.
Crimes here our government prosecutes, hate crimes they don't. Commit
them as a matter. Of course for her, to say,
oh well if you're black In The united states in twenty,
twenty five it's basically the same as being a dissident
or Anyone in iran that, is deeply deeply Ignorant What,
(27:38):
be goldberg as a black woman is one of the
most fabulously wealthy people in. The world she gets up,
every morning she rolls into do an hour of poorly,
Informed television she collects a, handsome paycheck and she goes
and lives. Her, life however the heck she wants sounds.
Pretty great compare that to the people who are slaughtered
in the streets or imprisoned, for years beaten or executed
(28:01):
for what they think or who.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
They Are.
Speaker 13 (28:04):
In iran to make that comparison, is disgraceful but unfortunately
it is par for the course on.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
That program but, of course, you know people, like me
People like Alyssa, fair griffin we just don't, get it,
you see because we're white. Or something take a listen
to this final bit of.
Speaker 12 (28:21):
The clip let me tell you about being in. This
country this is the greatest country in. The world, BUT
yeah i, KNOW that i, know that and we all.
Know that but every day we. Are worried do we
have to be worried about? Our kids are their kids
going to get shot because they're running through? Somebody's neighborhood
these are they are not. Big DEALS and i don't
(28:44):
mean to say they're not big deals to you because
that's women.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
Are men they are not.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
Doing well they're either they are not doing Well.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
In iran they are, not educated They're not.
Speaker 11 (28:54):
Nobody wants to diminish the very real problems we have in. This,
Country well, win's INTENTION but i think it's important we
remember there are places much darker than this country and
people who.
Speaker 12 (29:04):
Deserve right not everybody feels. That way not everybody feels. That,
Way listen. I'm sorry you know when you think about
the fact that we were we got the vote in nineteen. Sixty, five.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
Okay they don't have free and fair Elections. In iran
it's not even the. Same universe they can't go out
of their house wit you.
Speaker 12 (29:24):
Know what there's NO way i can make. You, understand wow.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
JUST wow i love how you're basically allowed to make
a totally, delusional fact just factually, challenge assertion and then
when the other person calmly explains to you how absurd,
it is you can just say, to, them well you're
wrong because, you're white so you just don't. Get it
that's not. An argument it's literally just, anti logic and
(29:49):
it's low. KEY racist, I mean alyssa would not be
allowed to say the same thing in reverse and keep
her job if we're being so for, REAL anyway i
just find it insane how people make millions of dollars to,
do this to provide this level of political Commentary to
americans that is actively making. People dumber it's astonishing to
(30:10):
Me that american media has fallen. This far but at
least new media, is, better right like the YouTube shows and.
All that, just kidding because next we're going to talk
about an absolutely unhinged moment that Happened With anna kasparian
and a male guest who came On The her, take
podcast which is a new Show From value tainment that
(30:31):
is supposed to be kind Of Like, the view but
an actual ideological diversity. Of women so You, have republicans
you have a left wing Woman An. Anna kasparian it's kind.
Of interesting it's Hosted By, jillian MICHAELS who. I like
i don't agree with her on a lot, of THINGS
but i think she's interesting and a. Good host, but
anyway this insane moment happened where a male guest threw
(30:53):
a tampon at a female guest during a live. Podcast,
recording seriously take a listen to this clip where what
was a substantive Discussion about Israel and iran went off
the rails. Very quickly you understand what you're doing when
you're trying to be Pro hamas I'm. Pro iran, hold.
Speaker 14 (31:11):
On when young it, makes this you just. Fall Apart
so i'm trying to have an. Honest exchange i'm not
putting words in. Your mouth please don't put words in.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
My mouth you can Talk when i'm, Done talking and
that's how this.
Speaker 14 (31:23):
Will work but if you straw ma me and Argue
that i'm making arguments, That first i'm an interrupt if
you lie About what, I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
So you're a grown up when, you argue, GOT it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I am a.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Grown, up yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Go ahead so you seem, very EMOTIONAL and i threw
you a tissue just IN case i also have A
tamp i don't.
Speaker 11 (31:42):
Think going to be.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
It's a tampon just.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
Cause deterred by your ridiculous. Juvenile attacks israel is fighting
terrorists around.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The world it is the audacity of this man to
actually do this that. Floors me his name Is Apparently,
adam's saucenick and he is also a host and Employee
On value tainment, the network and he came on for
what was supposed to be a substantive conversation about, many
Topics including Israel versus iran where they have, different views
(32:20):
and he pulled this, cheap, stunt, like seriously think. About
it he brought a tampon in his pocket because he
knew he was going on a show with all, women
hosts and he was preparing to be sexist to one
of them and call them emotional if they started disagreeing, with, him,
Which hilariously anna wasn't even. Being emotional she was making
(32:40):
arguments and being, you. Know combative but that's the point
of a political pundit engaged in political commentary and discourse
on a. Debate, panel, also like does this dude even
know what a tampon is because he pushed it at
her and said A tampon in case you, start crying
that's that's not what a tampon is, Used, FOR adam,
i mean and far be it from me as a
(33:01):
gay man to explain the intricacies of, female anatomy but
not how, That works i'm. Reasonably sure and it's just
diabolical for him to lecture her about not being a,
grown up not having an honest exchange when he brought
props to pull a sexist stunt to insult the hosts
(33:22):
if they disagreed. With him, and, YES guys i am
not one to cry victimhood or sexism reason and blah,
blah blah, very lightly as many, people are but it
is sexist and misogynist to demean a woman because of
her biological anatomy and functions, and, suggest oh you're disagreeing,
with me you must just be too emotional you must
just be on your period or something that is sexist
(33:45):
and crude and. Gross BEHAVIOR and, i, mean honestly given
that they are both working for This Network, value tainment
and this is in a, professional setting it is wildly
unprofessional and may constitute. SEXUAL harassment i honestly, don't KNOW
but i wouldn't be shocked if. It Did and i'll just,
say this like women journalists and political pundits. Deserve RESPECT
(34:06):
and i don't care if You, like anna if you don't.
LIKE her i like. Her personally we disagree on. A
lot but maybe you think she's totally wrong on The
Whole iran. Israel thing. That's fine do not demean her
for being. A woman do not disrespect her with. Cheap
stunts it doesn't prove. Your point, like seriously it doesn't
make you any more or less Correct about israel Vers
iron it doesn't make her any more or. Less correct
(34:28):
it just makes you look like a jerk and degrades
to the quality of public discourse and the absolute state
of modern. ONLINE media i. Don't know, to me that
exchange just summed up everything that's wrong with like the viral,
infotainment ENVIRONMENT which i myself operate in but certainly not.
Like that what did you guys think had you seen this?
(34:50):
Viral moment let me know in the comments and hit
that like button while you're. At it and, with, that
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we'll talk again real soon
Let's be clear, this decision will cost lives.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
This court is intent to dismantle any rights that we have,
not just transgender people, but all minorities.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
These people say that they're pro life, but only for
lives that they approve of.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
The Supreme Court just ruled against child sex changes and
transactivists are not coping.
Speaker 5 (00:19):
Well, we're going to break this down plus so much
more on today's episode of The Barad Versus Everyone podcast,
my daily show where we take on the craziest ideas
from across the internet, our media, and our politics, all
from an independent perspective.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Up first, like I mentioned, we're going to talk about
the huge US Supreme Court case that was just handed
down where a six to three majority comprised of the
Conservative majority and the Supreme Court ruled in favor of
red states that have restricted or banned gender transition treatments
for minors aka child sex changes, like puberty blockers and
(01:02):
hormone therapy, and ruled against the ACLU and a number
of plaintiffs who argued that those were unconstitutional violations of
the Equal Protection Clause. And guys, well, I certainly agree
with this ruling. Some people in the LGBT movement, particularly transactivists,
are absolutely losing it over this. First, here's some reporting
(01:24):
from CNN that's surprisingly fairly neutral to get you caught
up on the facts of what went down.
Speaker 6 (01:29):
The US Supreme Court has just upheld a Tennessee law
that bans gender affirming care for minors even if it's
prescribed by a doctor. Our chief Legal Affairs, Course bout
A Paula read is following all these developments. Firus Paula,
What can you tell us about the Supreme Court's decision?
Speaker 7 (01:44):
Well, if this is one of the big cases we've
been watching this term because roughly half of states have
a ban that is similar to the one in Tennessee,
and this focuses on access to certain medications that can
facilitate a gender transition. After Tennessee band miners from Axis
sing these medications for this purpose families of transgender youth,
they brought a lawsuit saying, hey, this violates the equal
(02:06):
protection clause because other miners who are using the same
medication for different purposes can still have access to it.
But today, in this six' to three, decision it fell
along party. Lines The Supreme court affirmed this law In
tennessee and in the, Majority Chief Justice John roberts, wrote
this case carries with it the weight of fierce scientific
(02:28):
and policy debates about the, safety, efficacy and propriety of
medical treatments in an evolving.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Field now we'll turn to the extremely bizarre and unhinged
reaction to this decision across The, internet but particularly on
websites like blue sky and. TikTok in my personal favorite,
example The harvard law instructor and former congressional Witness Alejandro
carabaio tweeted in response to, this OR i guess blue
(02:56):
skied in response to, THIS i honestly don't care anymore
if this country destroys itself and burns down to the.
Ground the current form of The United states is incompatible
with democracy or human. Rights it no longer has any
chance at legitimacy to, govern And i'll dance on its.
Grave let something better rise from the. Ashes, Uh alejandro seems.
(03:21):
Stable seriously imagine wanting to burn the entire country down
and start over because roughly half the states aren't going
to be allowing child sex changes and The Supreme court
ruled that it's legal for them to do. So slightly
disproportionate response there even if you disagree with the ruling,
deeply WHICH i absolutely do. Not to be, clear now
(03:42):
we're going to get to the response On TikTok and
across the. Internet for, example here is transgender Activist Aaron
reid responding to the ruling On.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
TikTok The Supreme court just ruled that transgender people have
no constitutional protections whenever it comes to the medically necessary
care that we. Need this is the same logic that
was used In loving Versus, virginia where The state Of
virginia tried to argue that it wasn't banning black people
from marrying white, people but rather it was banning interracial
marriage for all races. Equally it's a horrific ruling, Historically
(04:15):
so the only silver lining is that they didn't rule
on broader trans rights. Issues so for, now rulings and
passports and bathrooms and more are still. Safe but it's
clear that this court is intent to dismantle any rights
that we, have not just transgender, people but all.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Minorities so, wow quite the statement, there. Guys this is
WHY i say That Aaron, reid WHILE i have nothing
Against aaron, personally is not a reliable source for Information
sometimes people will send Me Aaron reid's, journalism which IS i,
think deeply suspect and basically, activism and try to cite
(04:50):
points from, it And i'll engage with. Them but, Frankly
aaron is not a good source of. Information i've Found
aaron mischaracterizing laws and bills and studies on many occasions her,
work and in this, CASE i, mean what she just
said is is a clear misunderstanding of the ruling that
also makes wildly untrue and hyperbolic. Claims the idea that
(05:11):
The Supreme court wants to abolish all minority rights totally
for all minorities is just like obviously not. True in,
fact two of the judges in the six', Three Ruling
john roberts And Justin Justice neil gorsich, my favorite they
actually ruled in another case to expand gay and transgender
(05:32):
rights and. Employment law so they, are not, you know
committed to abolishing. All rights they just upheld this particular
case involving state laws banning children from receiving medical sex
changes as legal. And proper the claim that they want
to abolish all minority rights at all just shows that
you are maybe you're letting your emotion get. TO you i,
(05:54):
don't know but you're not analyzing things objectively or. Factually
whatsoever But The supreme court actually ruled was not that
trans people are entitled to no constitutional protections at all
or anything, like that but that these laws which restrict
or ban puberty blockers and hormones from being prescribed to
minors for the purposes of treating gender dysphoria a. Mental,
(06:15):
condition well what they said was that these laws discriminate along.
Two lines age which. Is allowed you are allowed to
discriminate on age in. The law that's not a prohibited
characteristic Under. The constitution and the second one is discriminating between.
A diagnosis so these treatments are allowed in some cases for,
(06:37):
some purposes but not in other cases for. Other, purposes so,
for example it is legal under these laws to prescribe
somebody puberty blockers if they have, precocious puberty a medical
condition where puberty starts for them a few years. Too
early they want to pause it and then let them
go through their birth sex puberty a few, years later
(06:58):
when you know the rest of their peer group does and.
Not prematurely that's, Still allowed but prescribing puberty blockers for
the purposes of treating gender dysphoria a mental condition is.
Not allowed so it's a very basic aspect of regulating
medicine that a treatment can be legal to treat one
thing and not legal to treat. Another thing and in,
(07:19):
this case it's not discriminating against people on the basis,
of sex which is WHAT the acl, you argued because
a person regardless of their sex can't get these treatments for,
gender dysphoria so they can't get them to treat this particular,
mental condition but they can get them if they have
precocious puberty or another one of these. Physical conditions the
(07:39):
sex of the person is not a butt four cause
of whether they can or cannot receive a. Certain treatment
that makes it fundamentally different from something like, interracial marriage
where people are denied the ability to access fundamentally the
same thing because of, their race which is just marrying
the person of. Your choosing in, this case we're talking
about two. Different things it is not honest or accurate
(08:03):
to suggest that giving someone puberty blockers to block their
birth sex puberty and then cross sex hormones so they
go through a puberty resembling that of the opposite sex
in order to treat a mental condition known as. Gender
dysphoria is the same thing as delaying puberty for a
year or two with puberty blockers because of precocious puberty a,
physical condition and then allowing them to go through their
(08:25):
birth sex puberty to treat a. Physical condition these aren't the.
Same thing so that's why the. Lawsuit fail and it's
not because they use the same logic as people who denied.
Interracial marriage and a Lot of aaron's argument just kind
of begs the question assumes things that are actually the
core of, the dispute which is whether these treatments are
safe for kids are. Medically necessary the weight of the
(08:46):
evidence and the conclusion that legislators in many of these
states have reached suggests that they. Are Not but aaron,
just frames, you know they're denying medically, necessary care kind
of assuming what is actually at the core of the
debate as fact when it. Is, not guys now we're
going to watch the second Clip from TikTok that i
pulled about the kind of unhinged discourse after. This ruling
(09:07):
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Speaker 8 (09:40):
At it YadA.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
YadA, yah now let's take a look at this second
clip where we're essentially told that if we support state
level bands on child, sex changes we have blood on.
Our hands take, A listen, but, warning guys this is.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Unhinged Rhetoric The supreme court Just upheld tennessee's ban on
gender forming care for. Trans you let's, be clear this
decision will. Cost lives more than forty percent of trans
youth seriously, consider suicide but when they have access to gender,
affirming care that risk. Drops dramatically this ruling forces families into.
(10:15):
Impossible choices they may have to flee, their state split
up their families go into debt just to keep their.
Kids alive the court didn't just, fail us it. Chose
cruelty it gave politicians the power to, override, doctors families
and trans. Youth themselves it betrayed every child who, needed
protection and it turned its back when it mattered.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
The most and these people say that they're, pro life
but only for lives that they. Approve of i'm living
proof that it is vital that trans kids have access to.
This care it saves. Their lives it saved. My life
this moment that, we're in. It's dangerous these policies do
not protect. Trans kids they. Hurt them they hurt all.
(10:57):
Of us they're fueling real, world violence especially against trans women.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Of, color wow the random aside at. THE end, i
mean this stuff is, Really SERIOUS so i don't want,
to laugh but it almost cracks, me up like we
are somehow to blame for alleged acts of violence against
trans women of color if we oppose child. Sex, changes
no that's. Not true you can't, invoke random statistically dubious
claims about violence as a way of shutting down debate
(11:25):
on a totally. Unrelated issue we of course condemn VIOLENCE
and i almost any advocate of these bands or restrictions
would condemn violence against trans women. Of color so that's
just like a random guilt by association attempt to distract
or emotionally, manipulate us which is unfortunately the broader rhetorical.
Strategy here and you saw this rhetoric echoed by the
(11:46):
way in statements of this will cost, trans lives in statements, from,
many Many many democratic senators and Members of congress after.
This ruling there's just. One problem it's. Not true it's
based on, a lie a, false premise and it's a
bit of emotional demagoguery that's being used to basically smear
(12:07):
and scare people into shutting up and going along with
EXPERIMENTAL and i think unethical medical treatments being given. To
Minors so i'm going to get into the weeds a
little bit, on this but to, be clear this is
a very common argument and talking point that if you
don't allow transgender identifying youth or gender confused youth to
(12:28):
access puberty blockers and, hormone therapy that they will. Kill
themselves and so if you, oppose that you have blood
on your hands because you're taking away medications that, reduce
suicide and you are trapping people in this state where
more of them will. Kill themselves that has explicitly been
the argument many a doctor, has told and this is
(12:49):
even captured in A Recent New york times Podcast Called.
The protocol many a transactivist doctor has, told parents would
you rather have a dead son or a living daughter or?
Vice versa and it's a Very compelling THAT'S why i
have sympathy for parents in. This situation it's a very emotionally.
Compelling argument, of. COURSE nobody i don't care if you're
trans or. NOT trans i don't want anyone to take
(13:10):
that tragic and horrible decision to end your. OWN life
i want you to. GET help i want to personally.
Help you i've struggled seriously with mental health in in,
the past so my heart breaks for, these people and
of course we want what's best. For THEM so i
bristle at this notion, that, like oh if we disagree,
with this we have blood on, our hands we're going to.
Cause suicides because it, is literally factually. Not True and
(13:31):
i'm gonna. Explain that as the Science Reporter benjamin ryan
explained on x only one study has ever directly assessed
whether prescribing cross sex hormones to use with gender dysphoria
is associated with a statistically significant independent difference in the
suicide death rate. Among them this study found no. Such,
association therefore claims such as those that denying such treatment
(13:55):
of minors will lead to suicide are not. Evidence based
in the same WAY the uk is extraordinarily comprehensive cast
review By doctor hillary cass reviewing the evidence and research into,
this subject concluded that it has been suggested that hormone
treatment reduces the elevated risk of death by suicide in,
this population but the evidence found did not support. This conclusion,
(14:17):
in fact this claim that this medication, reduces suicide so
if you restrict access, to it you are causing more
suicides is. So untrue it is so factually baseless that
even the ACLU's, Lead Attorney, chase strangio who is a,
radical transactivist admitted during the oral arguments that there's not
(14:39):
actually factual support for. That claim take a listen to
this clip directly from the Exchange That chase strangeo Had
With Supreme Court Justice. Samuel alito do you maintain.
Speaker 8 (14:51):
That the procedures and medications in question reduce the risk.
Speaker 9 (14:58):
OF suicide I Do justice leader maintain that the medications
in question reduce the risk, of, depression anxiety, and suicidality
which are all indicators of. Potential suicide and do you
think that's?
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Clearly established do you think there's reason for disagreement?
Speaker 9 (15:14):
ABOUT that i do think it is clearly established in
the science and in. THE record, i think as with
all underlying questions, of it looking, at evidence there can.
BE disagreement i don't, dispute that but here and sort
of going back to questions ABOUT The, cast review, for
EXAMPLE The cast review only looked at studies up until twenty.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
Twenty, TWO well i don't REGARD The cast review as
necessarily As the bible or as something that's true in.
Every respect but on page one ninety five FOR The,
cast report it says there is no evidence that gender
affirmative treatments. Reduce SUICIDE.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
What i think that is referring to is there is
no evidence in the study that this treatment reduces. Completed
suicide and the reason for that is, completed, suicide thankfully
and admittedly it, is rare and we're talking about a
very small population of individuals with studies that don't necessarily
have completed suicides. Within, them however there are, multiple studies,
(16:18):
long term longitudinal studies that do show that there is
a reduction, in SUICIDALITY which i think is a positive
outcome to.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
This treatment this is a really. REMARKABLE admission, I mean
strangio basically just admit it that The main democratic talking
point that these treatments literally stop and prevent suicides is. Not,
true now some will retreat to the idea that some
studies activists point to say that these treatments reduce suicidality
(16:50):
aka thinking and thoughts. About suicide but suicidality is not
directly linked. With suicide, far, far far far far more
people experience some form of suicidality at, some point and
of course we want, that alleviated but it doesn't mean
they will actually end. Their lives only a tiny percentage.
Actually do and, more importantly the evidence actually does not
(17:13):
support the claim either that access to these treatment for
minors reduces suicidality or suicidal. Thoughts either, in fact the
major twenty twenty two study that people constantly cite to
support this claim has been debunked By Journalist. Jesse single
it was total, activist pseudoscience and, in fact the underlying
(17:33):
data they found showed that when you gave kids puberty blockers,
and hormones their mental health did. Not improve. That's right
it showed the opposite of what the activist authors claimed
and then was parroted in the media in its actual,
underlying data and just through extreme dishonesty and misleading sleights,
of hand they portrayed a totally different narrative than the
(17:56):
way the one that their study. Actually SHOWED so i
just really really reject and resent this emotionally manipulative narrative
where you're trying to blame people, for suicides even though
if they dare disagree with you about the ethics of
a experimental form of medicine. On children but the propaganda
(18:16):
has worked on, this one it. Really has the message has,
been internalized and they just keep repeating this over and
over and, over again even though there's no factual basis.
TO it i will not fall for that emotional manipulation. And,
GASLIGHTING now i do want to play one more Clip
from TikTok that i thought, was interesting if not. Particularly
eloquent take a listen.
Speaker 10 (18:36):
TO this i don't think you guys realize how insane
The Whole Scrimmetti supreme court situation. Actually is they might
not even stop at Miners, because okay people keep saying, it's,
like oh it's, It's miners like it's miners that are
just going to. Be effected it's literally. Just children they're
not going to stop. At, Kids babe they're not going
to stop. At kids, i'm sorry they're not going to stop.
(18:57):
At kids to stop, at kids there's, no like you
really think they're going to stop at. Just children.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You're out of your.
Speaker 10 (19:09):
Goddamn minds so.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
This TikTok, ACTUALLY raises i think a very, interesting point
and others have raised the dilearmor about this. As well
IN The Us supreme court decision, about This the, skurmetti
ruling there's really nothing about that logic that couldn't be
used to also uphold a state level ban on gender
affirming care being legal. FOR adults i actually think. THAT'S
(19:32):
true i think this critique, is CORRECT but i don't
have the same response to it that these types. Seem
to the takeaway, for, me then is that it may
be constitutional for states to choose to ban gender transition.
Of adults maybe there is nothing in the constitution that
prohibits them from. Doing so it doesn't mean therefore that
(19:53):
states will do this or that they should. Do this
not everything that is legally permissible for a legislature to
win act, is, wise, prudent fair or should or. Will
happen and so my take on, it, is well maybe
they legally could ban this, for ADULTS but i actually
do think a lot of people draw, Significant distinction so
(20:15):
it's not, just oh they're all secretly after. ADULTS too
i MYSELF and i think, many others absolutely draw a
huge distinction between miners. AND adults i do believe adults
should be free to do basically whatever they want with their.
Own body that absolutely includes taking hormones or receiving gender
transition surgeries if as adults they decide that's what will
(20:37):
be best, for THEM and i will speak out against
it and advocate against it if states do try to
ban that kind of thing, for adults and that would
be the right. Approach HERE but i have TO say
i Think the TikToker may be correct that this legal
decision would provide a precedent to uphold a future ban
at the state level if it were passed. For adults but,
to me the solution is just to democratically advocate against
(20:59):
such a big not to try to rewrite the law
or the correct. Constitutional, interpretation, anyway guys this is a
Really Huge supreme, court CASE and i see a lot
of people crying that the sky is falling. About IT but,
i honestly at the end of, THE day i have
compassion for the complexity of a lot of these issues
(21:21):
and the exact right way to treat gender. CONFUSED youth
i know there are some kids who genuinely truly have
extreme gender dysphoria from a very, young age but we
cannot allow the current system to continue where people are
with very little gatekeeping, in safeguards given these experimental treatments
with no evidence base proving that they are effective, or
(21:42):
safe we just can't allow this. To continue and as
Far as, i'm concerned this ruling is a win. For
sanity but what do you? Guys think let me know in.
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(22:26):
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Because the delulu is off the charts with all but
one really of the hosts of. That show yet this takes.
The cake this is actually the most insane segment to
ever Air On. The view we're Talking, about iran and
one of, The hosts Alyssa, fair GRIFFIN who i LIKE
(22:47):
and i, actually think, is saying even IF though i
disagree with her on a lot, of things made the, point,
that like whatever you think of the foreign policy questions
about what we should Do, with iran it's a bad
place with a. Bad regime Then whoopee goldberg decided to
like bizarrely try to conflate the state of human rights
and Freedom in iran and Modern. Day, america, yes seriously
(23:09):
take a listen.
Speaker 11 (23:10):
To this but let's just, remember Too the iranians literally
throw gay people off. Of buildings they don't hear the Basic, human.
Speaker 12 (23:15):
Listen Let's not let's not. Do that let's not, do
that because if we start, with that we have we
have been known in this country to tie gay folks
To the.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
I'm sorry but what the actual is she. Talking about
we can't Criticize the iranian regime for giving gay people
the death penalty because what because there have been hate
crimes carried out by private citizens in the Past, in
america what what is she? Talking about it is obviously
(23:51):
incredibly different to live in a society where people are
free to, be gay but occasionally there are statistically very
rarerble crimes that are then prosecuted, and punished carried out
by private citizens against another private citizen in motivated by
hate and the regime where it's illegal to, be gay
and they will actually the government will. Kill you those
(24:12):
are not the, same thing will be like you you've
actually lost, The plot you've actually gone. Too far, and
guys this wasn't like something she, just said but she
wasn't fully hadn't fully thought, It through, like no she
stood on business on. This remark take. A listen as the,
conversation continued.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
The word iran.
Speaker 10 (24:32):
Not just.
Speaker 12 (24:34):
Black people so it is not even.
Speaker 11 (24:36):
THE same. I, couldn't no that's not what you mean.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
To say it is.
Speaker 9 (24:40):
The, same no it's.
Speaker 11 (24:41):
Not the year twenty twenty Five The united states is
nothing LIKE if i stepped foot wearing this young Inter
From so, I'M sorry i can't have my, HAIR showing
i can't wear. A skirt i can't Have my i'm,
telling YOU and i literally said it.
Speaker 10 (24:56):
Was up to.
Speaker 11 (24:56):
The, people yes it.
Speaker 12 (24:58):
Is up and THAT'S WHY i i am. Saying that
it is. The same murdering someone for their difference is.
Not good whoever does it's.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Not good so THAT'S why.
Speaker 12 (25:13):
I said you you weren't saying What YOU what i
heard was not what.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
You, MEANT yeah i think it's very different live In
The united states in twenty twenty five than it is
to live in a world if, you're black not, for
everybody not if.
Speaker 10 (25:25):
You're.
Speaker 12 (25:25):
Black guys.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
SO good i love the live studio audience of the
view clapping, at, that like oh, my god go off
queen when she just said the Craziest thing i've ever
heard in, my Life, Low ki what what it is
the same to be a black person In modern america
or to be a woman living Under oppressive sharia Law?
(25:48):
In iran what are you? Talking? About whoopee are? You
Crazy like i'm not even saying it's perfect for black
People in america. Or anything they may face serious challenges
and nowhere near like, the, dystopian repressive theocratic Regime. Of
iran and she's saying like it's. The same we kill
(26:09):
people for being different and they kill people for. Being
different what are you? Talking About The united states government
doesn't kill people for. Being Different the iranian. Government Does
The united States Government and i'm a huge critic of,
our government to, be clear but it doesn't lock people
up because of them violating the official state religion or
(26:33):
mandates about how they have to cover themselves and dress
certain ways. In Public the iranian. Regime does like it's
not a, hot take no matter where you, fall politically
that Modern day america is freer than Modern. Day iran
it's just. A fact and you. Sound crazy you want
to play this Clip Of guy benson criticizing This on
(26:54):
FOX because i think he made some pretty.
Speaker 13 (26:56):
Good, POINTS well i call that show a daily nationally televised.
In asylum for, a reason it's hard to overstate the
moral idiocy of what we just heard there From What
be goldberg, In Particular So alissa fair is making the
point correctly about how people are subjugated brutally By the
iranian regime And what, Be's, like, oh well look at
(27:16):
what we do here IN. The us there are hate.
Crimes here our government prosecutes, hate crimes they don't. Commit
them as a matter. Of course for her, to say,
oh well if you're black In The united states in twenty,
twenty five it's basically the same as being a dissident
or Anyone in iran that, is deeply deeply Ignorant What,
(27:38):
be goldberg as a black woman is one of the
most fabulously wealthy people in. The world she gets up,
every morning she rolls into do an hour of poorly,
Informed television she collects a, handsome paycheck and she goes
and lives. Her, life however the heck she wants sounds.
Pretty great compare that to the people who are slaughtered
in the streets or imprisoned, for years beaten or executed
(28:01):
for what they think or who.
Speaker 7 (28:03):
They Are.
Speaker 13 (28:04):
In iran to make that comparison, is disgraceful but unfortunately
it is par for the course on.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
That program but, of course, you know people, like me
People like Alyssa, fair griffin we just don't, get it,
you see because we're white. Or something take a listen
to this final bit of.
Speaker 12 (28:21):
The clip let me tell you about being in. This
country this is the greatest country in. The world, BUT
yeah i, KNOW that i, know that and we all.
Know that but every day we. Are worried do we
have to be worried about? Our kids are their kids
going to get shot because they're running through? Somebody's neighborhood
these are they are not. Big DEALS and i don't
(28:44):
mean to say they're not big deals to you because
that's women.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
Are men they are not.
Speaker 11 (28:47):
Doing well they're either they are not doing Well.
Speaker 9 (28:50):
In iran they are, not educated They're not.
Speaker 11 (28:54):
Nobody wants to diminish the very real problems we have in. This,
Country well, win's INTENTION but i think it's important we
remember there are places much darker than this country and
people who.
Speaker 12 (29:04):
Deserve right not everybody feels. That way not everybody feels. That,
Way listen. I'm sorry you know when you think about
the fact that we were we got the vote in nineteen. Sixty, five.
Speaker 11 (29:17):
Okay they don't have free and fair Elections. In iran
it's not even the. Same universe they can't go out
of their house wit you.
Speaker 12 (29:24):
Know what there's NO way i can make. You, understand wow.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
JUST wow i love how you're basically allowed to make
a totally, delusional fact just factually, challenge assertion and then
when the other person calmly explains to you how absurd,
it is you can just say, to, them well you're
wrong because, you're white so you just don't. Get it
that's not. An argument it's literally just, anti logic and
(29:49):
it's low. KEY racist, I mean alyssa would not be
allowed to say the same thing in reverse and keep
her job if we're being so for, REAL anyway i
just find it insane how people make millions of dollars to,
do this to provide this level of political Commentary to
americans that is actively making. People dumber it's astonishing to
(30:10):
Me that american media has fallen. This far but at
least new media, is, better right like the YouTube shows and.
All that, just kidding because next we're going to talk
about an absolutely unhinged moment that Happened With anna kasparian
and a male guest who came On The her, take
podcast which is a new Show From value tainment that
(30:31):
is supposed to be kind Of Like, the view but
an actual ideological diversity. Of women so You, have republicans
you have a left wing Woman An. Anna kasparian it's kind.
Of interesting it's Hosted By, jillian MICHAELS who. I like
i don't agree with her on a lot, of THINGS
but i think she's interesting and a. Good host, but
anyway this insane moment happened where a male guest threw
(30:53):
a tampon at a female guest during a live. Podcast,
recording seriously take a listen to this clip where what
was a substantive Discussion about Israel and iran went off
the rails. Very quickly you understand what you're doing when
you're trying to be Pro hamas I'm. Pro iran, hold.
Speaker 14 (31:11):
On when young it, makes this you just. Fall Apart
so i'm trying to have an. Honest exchange i'm not
putting words in. Your mouth please don't put words in.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
My mouth you can Talk when i'm, Done talking and
that's how this.
Speaker 14 (31:23):
Will work but if you straw ma me and Argue
that i'm making arguments, That first i'm an interrupt if
you lie About what, I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (31:31):
So you're a grown up when, you argue, GOT it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
I am a.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Grown, up yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
Go ahead so you seem, very EMOTIONAL and i threw
you a tissue just IN case i also have A
tamp i don't.
Speaker 11 (31:42):
Think going to be.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
It's a tampon just.
Speaker 14 (31:47):
Cause deterred by your ridiculous. Juvenile attacks israel is fighting
terrorists around.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
The world it is the audacity of this man to
actually do this that. Floors me his name Is Apparently,
adam's saucenick and he is also a host and Employee
On value tainment, the network and he came on for
what was supposed to be a substantive conversation about, many
Topics including Israel versus iran where they have, different views
(32:20):
and he pulled this, cheap, stunt, like seriously think. About
it he brought a tampon in his pocket because he
knew he was going on a show with all, women
hosts and he was preparing to be sexist to one
of them and call them emotional if they started disagreeing, with, him,
Which hilariously anna wasn't even. Being emotional she was making
(32:40):
arguments and being, you. Know combative but that's the point
of a political pundit engaged in political commentary and discourse
on a. Debate, panel, also like does this dude even
know what a tampon is because he pushed it at
her and said A tampon in case you, start crying
that's that's not what a tampon is, Used, FOR adam,
i mean and far be it from me as a
(33:01):
gay man to explain the intricacies of, female anatomy but
not how, That works i'm. Reasonably sure and it's just
diabolical for him to lecture her about not being a,
grown up not having an honest exchange when he brought
props to pull a sexist stunt to insult the hosts
(33:22):
if they disagreed. With him, and, YES guys i am
not one to cry victimhood or sexism reason and blah,
blah blah, very lightly as many, people are but it
is sexist and misogynist to demean a woman because of
her biological anatomy and functions, and, suggest oh you're disagreeing,
with me you must just be too emotional you must
just be on your period or something that is sexist
(33:45):
and crude and. Gross BEHAVIOR and, i, mean honestly given
that they are both working for This Network, value tainment
and this is in a, professional setting it is wildly
unprofessional and may constitute. SEXUAL harassment i honestly, don't KNOW
but i wouldn't be shocked if. It Did and i'll just,
say this like women journalists and political pundits. Deserve RESPECT
(34:06):
and i don't care if You, like anna if you don't.
LIKE her i like. Her personally we disagree on. A
lot but maybe you think she's totally wrong on The
Whole iran. Israel thing. That's fine do not demean her
for being. A woman do not disrespect her with. Cheap
stunts it doesn't prove. Your point, like seriously it doesn't
make you any more or less Correct about israel Vers
iron it doesn't make her any more or. Less correct
(34:28):
it just makes you look like a jerk and degrades
to the quality of public discourse and the absolute state
of modern. ONLINE media i. Don't know, to me that
exchange just summed up everything that's wrong with like the viral,
infotainment ENVIRONMENT which i myself operate in but certainly not.
Like that what did you guys think had you seen this?
(34:50):
Viral moment let me know in the comments and hit
that like button while you're. At it and, with, that
guys that'll be it for this episode Of The Bread Versus.
Everyone podcast thank you all so much for. Tuning in
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(35:11):
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