September 2, 2025 • 34 mins
What happens when a message meant for the wrong drummer leads to the right band? On this episode of Bringin’ It Backwards, Adam Lisicky sits down with Andres and Patrick of Stockholm’s own Self Deception to unravel a musical story packed with serendipity, stubborn determination, and fearless reinvention.
From awkward high school musicals to their earliest days hustling through Stockholm’s music scene, Andres and Patrick talk candidly about band origins, creative breakthroughs, and why they never fit neatly into Sweden’s rock landscape. It’s not all easy—Andres opens up about lonely beginnings, bold gestures for love, and using music to finally feel seen. The guys share how the Internet—and a relentless DIY spirit—helped them push past gatekeepers, build a global fanbase, and raise enough funds in just days to record on their own terms.
You’ll hear the real story behind viral tracks like “Hysteria” and “Matthew McConaughey,” their adventures in touring and crowdfunding, and what it’s like to finally embrace total creative freedom with their upcoming album, Destroy the Art. Expect honest advice, plenty of laughs, and a reminder that every overnight success is years in the making.
If you’re an aspiring artist (or just love a great band origin story), you do not want to miss this one. Listen now and don’t forget to subscribe for more of the real stories behind the music on Bringin’ It Backwards.
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Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it backwards. What is going on?
It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast where both
legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how
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they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to
chat with Andres and Patrick of Self
Deception over Zoom Video. Both
Andre's and Patrick were born and raised in Stockholm,
Sweden, and talk about how they got into music. They actually both
started out on the drums and they met early on, like in their
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teenage years when they were both in high school. They talked about being in a
musical together where ironically,
Andres was the drummer and Patrick was the
guitar player and the singer during this musical. Now
Andres is the singer of Self Deception and
Patrick is the bass player. Patrick didn't join the band until the
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second album, like 2010. So Andres kind of
talks about the origin of the band, how they got started, and how that really
started off of a message to their drummer Eric,
where he sent a message to the wrong person. He thought he was sending a
message to someone else. It landed to him and they
became fast friends, met up and started Self Deception.
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We talk about the sound of the band a lot, how they're heavy, but they're
not super heavy and they're not alternative pop.
So they kind of fell in this weird area, especially
in Sweden, where they weren't able to get booked on certain shows
because of their sound and. But obviously that didn't matter because they
they've done massive things. They blew up. They
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talk about how the Internet really helped them as far as their
career went. And we talk a lot about the past album that they put out
in 2023 and all about the new album that's coming
out and the current singles that the band has
just released, Hysteria being the most recent one. You can watch the
interview with Patrick, Andres and myself on her Facebook page and
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Bringing. It Backwards with Self Deception. Well, I'm Adam.
Very nice to meet both of you. Yeah,
this podcast is about you guys and your. Your journey of music. We'll talk about
the band and new single and everything else
you, you guys have going on. Yeah. Cool.
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Sweet. I always start off with Born and Raised the,
the bands. Sweden, right? You guys are from Sweden
originally? Yeah, yeah. Stockholm, Sweden.
Huh? Are you guys still living
there? Yeah, I still live just outside of
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Stockholm. Andreas moved a little bit north, but.
Yeah, yeah, we're born and raised in Stockholm,
the state of Stockholm. And now
we've gotten a couple of. We got a little older. A couple of us have
moved just outside of Stockholm and some of us moved more into the center. But
Stockholm is where we, where we are from. Right on.
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Well, tell me, Andres, like, where did
you, like, how did you get into music? Do you come from a creative household,
musical household at all, or like, how did you kind of start? Actually,
my mom is very creative. She, she's, she sings and
plays the piano and guitar and stuff. But it was never. Because
that was not what got me interested in, in it, into it. It was,
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to be honest, it was. I wanted. I was a pretty lonely
kid and first and I got. Had this big crush on
this girl in school, and so I wrote a song that I performed in
front of class. Oh, wow. That's bold. Yeah.
Yeah. And it was the first time I felt like somebody saw me. And
after that, it's, I was hooked. And that was the only thing I wanted to
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do so because, like, that's the way I could make people understand
how I feel for the first time. Wow. I
mean, so you were like, okay, I like this person. I'm gonna write this song.
And then was it like a talent show or you just said, hey, ask
the teacher. Can I, can I just get up and play this, play this tune
for you? And did they know it was about them? Well,
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actually, we had, I think we had like our
music class. We had a couple of. We, we were supposed to put something together.
It wasn't that serious. You just had to do something. And.
Well, I, I, she knows it was for her because
her boyfriend was about to be beat me up after that.
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I didn't know he. She was together with some older guy in school,
so. Oh, oops.
Oh, that's funny. And Patrick, what about you? Do you come from
a creative household or musical household? Yeah, not really.
Well, my dad has been bringing me to concerts since I was a kid.
I've been going like all the classic rock shows
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and like, stuff since I was really young. But I started out
playing drums myself when I was 13, and then it just
snowballed into guitars and then I just turned up in the bass player and
Self Deception because of Andreas. So. Wow. It
just happened. Yeah. Weren't you, from what I was reading
you, what, produced the third album, Right. Or did you. Or
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were you working with the band from the beginning? I. I don't know.
No, no, you get confused. I haven't produced anything. Okay. Yeah, then I'm
definitely confused. Yeah. No, but I haven't been with the band from the beginning either.
They have another bass player from the start. Okay. Then.
Then I needed to jump in for a couple of weekends playing live, and then
kind of got stuck. What album is that on? Or what year was that
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on? Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there, Andreas. Do you
remember which one it was? Which album? Because. Yeah, you put.
No, you put. Actually you laid down the bass track on Stay Young
on. Right. Oh, maybe. I think
you did. So It's. It's the 2000. It's the 2011
album. I think that he. He. He joined the band.
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Okay. So. Yeah, no, I fought for him because
he's. He's. He knows a lot about a lot of stuff. He knows a little
bit about a lot of stuff. He has, like, he has
a certain charm to him and he, you know, he's good with people
and he's. He knows music, like, broadly in a. In
a. In a good way. So I fought for. I really fought for
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Patrick to. For us to. To get him in
the band, pick. Him up full time. Yeah.
Okay, well, I'm curious real quick. Patrick with you? So did you start
a band or anything? Like, you said you started on drums. Like, what. Did you
play in bands or anything early on, and then eventually. How do you
meet Andreas? Just kind of have, like, bands in
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school. Okay. And then Andreas and me went to the same. We went to the
same school both, like, in high school and afterwards, but we never were in the
same class because we're two years apart. Okay. But then. Then
we. We just. We just made friends and I was hanging around the band
before I joined them. Just went to, like, all the shows and had a
good time left hanging around, helping out with whatever I could. Official
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drinking support. I was official drinking support for years,
and it still is, but I'm my own
official drinking support. But you
forget. You forget, Patrick. We actually did a musical together in school. Do you
remember? Yeah, I know where I. Yeah, I played the
drums. I was my first year in. What do you call. Is it high school?
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No, it's. It's college. No, high school. What is it?
How old are you? It's for between 15 and 18
or something like that. Yeah, that would still be high school. At least here in
this case it'd be high school. Yeah. Yeah.
So we went on a tour and stuff. A little school tour,
really doing a musical. What it. Were you both in the band part or were
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you on the stage acting? I was
actually acting also. Yeah. And I play guitar and I sang
and acting. And Andreas was the drummer of the band, so.
Wow. Pretty cool. And then I have really long hair and made it into
spikes. It was amazing. And now I have no hair anymore. Oh
man, that's so funny. But Andres, you were a
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drummer as well? Yeah, that's kind of where I. I started
when I was 14 and. But I also
started singing at the same time and
I like playing drums. But after a while I decided that I want to stand.
Staying standing in front of the stage because I wanted to be seen. Yeah,
I was like. I said I was a lonely, lonely kid and for like I
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could express my feelings and people would listen to
was. It was the best thing. I actually got into like a
music gymnasium
just because they were short on drummers. I had really bad grades, but they had
one drummer short. So I got in and I went half a year. But then
it was too tough. School was too tough during the teenage years. So yeah, sure,
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I dropped. I dropped out and got to his school. Oh,
really? Okay. Yeah, that's funny. And then you
start self deception. How does the band start then? Do you.
Well, origin story. I had
another band that I played in. Like
that wasn't very serious, but we wanted. We wanted to make something out of it.
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And I got in this fight with the
guitarist in that band that was. Well, he left me during
a fight where that I got into just. He just left.
And so I didn't talk to him for two months. So when I got back,
he had somebody else and they sounded so great,
they sounded so good. And my jealousy pushed me that
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got to start something on my own. That was awesome. And
so I was okay. I. I sat on. There was
like a page for musicians. I don't remember the name, but
you could chat with like it was a community, like one of the first music
communities in Sweden where you could find band members and discuss stuff. And.
And so I found this guy with that was.
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He said his username was like Eric Drummer or something.
And I must. I wrote it wrong, obviously, because I wrote
to him at a later time and I said, oh, we were talking about
all these music and blah, blah, blah. And he was like, no, I have not.
I have not talked to you. Oh, wow. Whoops.
So I added the wrong. I added the wrong drummer, but that's the. And
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that's the guy we have today. Really? So you were
talking to another drummer or you. The message went to the.
The person you currently have. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Mr. Eric.
It was just by chance. It was. Oh my gosh. And meant to be. And
then you meet up and what, start writing songs together and the band kind of
starts there. Yeah, we put something together like a year before
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we became officially Self Deception, but we wanted different
things and. And they were. I remember
the, the guys and the other, the other guys that we, that we. That we
don't play with anymore, they were telling us that we were. We were
deceiving ourselves trying to play some. This kind of American
popular music in Sweden and hence the,
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the bad. We just joked about the band name Self Deception because of
that and it stuck. Interesting. Yeah,
they said, oh, you just. Yeah, you're just trying to do some American kind of
music style that's popular over there and it's not. You're just. You're just f
yourselves. And we're like, yeah, we're full of self deception. And it just stuck.
Was it. But it must have worked obviously, in, in Sweden. Were you playing
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like shows around and were you gaining like a fan base at that time too?
No. Well, we did. We did decently, I guess. But
I mean, but then through so many years, it was really hard for us
in Sweden to get into music festivals and, and, and
just different kind of because we were too soft for the, for
the hard rock places and we were too hard for the
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more sound kind of bands. So we
stream and everything. Yeah, it was. So it's been really hard.
And we were like, okay, we got to work on this. We got to hype
this until they can't say no. And that's kind of what happened
18 years later.
So what was. So after. I mean, you put that first album out, was there
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any. Were you guys getting
all. Any of these shows at this point yet? Or was it just like, let's
put this album out and then kind of just see what we
can do locally or. Once the first album came out,
like, where were you all at as far as the. The band? Well,
we were playing like music contests and
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like Day Dave daily small
festival ish kind of things that we got through like
connections and it wasn't. Well, just really small scale.
We might have got into some radio performing once or twice on
radio, but it Was we never got like the, like any
bigger shows really.
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So we just. I mean, we must have maybe played like five shows a
year. I mean, that's pretty much how it was. And then besides that, we
just released music and just wanted to try to make the name.
Make a name online pretty much. Okay, and was that where you
were getting most of your. Your fans was on online?
Yeah, in the beginning we had a lot locally. We had
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a lot of support. We had a great support in Stockholm.
We were like the. A new. Something new for the young people that
wasn't this old, old fart dude rock.
Yeah, so I guess that was. So we had support
and we played like at home in Stockholm, but
it was really hard outside of that. Okay. And
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then two, that the next album in 2011 is when Patrick, you
joined. Joined the band or you at least recorded on that first the song.
The first song in the album and then you joined shortly
after that. Yeah, some. Sometime around that at
least. I think I did the first shows in 2010 or something, but
was like 20. 2011 was. 2011 was when I kind
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of officially joined, I think. Okay, but. But
we've been also like struggling with different record labels for like
all of these albums. Yeah.
I'm promising this and that and this is what's gonna happen. Then people quit and
nothing happened and they put you on a shelf and like, yeah, we're gonna do
that later. So that's what kind of led up to what we do
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today. That we were like, we're gonna do everything by ourselves instead of.
Okay, so yeah, now you're doing it. You're just independent, right? Yeah, yeah.
Wow, that's amazing. So we're doing different labels throughout, you
know, even the self titled album. And you know, down the
line. You put a album out last year too, right, didn't you?
Yeah, yeah. Wow. That was the first. First of our own
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labels, right? Yeah, we had two.
It was like we, we. Those. That album was parted in two,
so it was first more like an ep and then we packaged
that EP into the album. Okay,
tell me. Like. No, no, no, no, no.
We. We have two albums that we released on our own label. Okay.
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Shapes. On our own label as well. Shapes, yeah. Shape is our own.
And yeah. Get to know everything.
At what point were you getting on these? Because, I mean, you're doing like
aftershock. I mean, you look at those lineups and it's like, okay, Iron Ma playing
the same day as you all. But it's like, you know, at what point does.
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Do you Kind of get, you know, accepted in as like,
okay, we know where to place this band now, or was
there, like a big song? Or did you have, like a huge Internet moment? Or,
like, what kind of skyrockets you to the next level? We
did. We did just to start on our own feet and do release
our own album on our own terms. We had, like, a crowdfund that we did
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okay. And yeah, we got. We raised the money in a
couple of days. And so we had. We had a good start.
And for every song that we started releasing, our
listeners started growing all the time. And we just got,
like, to this new place where we stopped trying to please
people and just try something new every time we recorded a song
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and experiment, and it became more fun. And it.
It was like, part of why everything started to go so well.
And after. After a year of just releasing one song at a time, and
it was close to putting together the
latest album, we got up to a
million listeners a month on Spotify. Yeah, up
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to the album that came out last year. Yeah,
yeah. And it was like, people started
calling us. The manager we had now. He. He put. He has like
a festival. He puts together a lot of things, or used to. And
he called us because I. Another act had jumped
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off, and we did really well on that show. And. And
he just. He said, all right, I'll. I'll see what I can do for you.
And he hooked us up with festivals, and we went on
tours with awesome bands, and we, like, built up
a great port portfolio.
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And after that, just. I mean, it just started. More and more
gigs started coming in, snowballing. Yeah.
Yeah, I bet that was cool. I mean, to see your.
Your crowdfund. You said in three days you had
the money to do the album. I mean, that's like, pretty unheard of.
That was ridiculous. It was ridiculous.
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So now you have, like. I mean, Hysteria, I think, is the newest one.
Correct. Yeah. So, you know,
from these albums doing well and crowdfunding,
and now you're like, okay, well, I don't even. We don't even need the record
label that the whole end of it is. Is gone. But you were
talking about just doing your own thing, right? Like, you weren't
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trying to write for any particular reason. You were just as far
as like, appeasing people, right? It was like, we're just gonna do these things for
ourselves and experiment. Like, was that
difficult decision to make, or was it like, let's just try this. Who
cares? Or were you concerned about the. The fans you had prior
to Making this decision. We had just finished
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the album Shape, and it. That was a very serious
album. It was a lot about depression and tough times. And
it was kind of the type of song that we've been writing. Very
emotional for a long time. And
it's then we. When we started from scratch
on the new album or just a new song, we tried something
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different. It's a song called the Fall, and it was about
like just a hard time in a marriage. And it was very different
from what we'd done. And we just tried something new and just felt really
cool. We didn't know how it would go. I mean, it didn't go awesome, but
we felt like we had found something that was really fun.
And for every new song that we did, there was always a new idea. And
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we were like, okay, we gotta leave our comfort zone every time
now. Because that's the fun thing to do to like. Of course, some things
that we try, we keep in future, like
stylistically, because we love it so much. But
that's kind of the through line through. Through the whole album is that we just.
For every song there's like, we want to try something new. I mean, we're
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kind of a heavy rock poppy band. Yeah. 100.
But we. We decided to do a. Like a
ballad on that. And we didn't try to do it edgy. We just
tried to do something that. That we've never done. And that would be a
classical rock ballad styled song.
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And so I got. I got the. I got to write the
lyrics to Towards My Daughter. And it was
something very like. What do you call it? Naked
and. Like stripped down.
Yeah. Yeah. And just an acoustic guitar and singing. Yeah.
Nothing else. Yeah, that's Haley's lullabies. Yeah.
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Great. And, yeah, it's just something that. I mean, if we would have
thought that we would. Okay, now we gotta think of how do we do
this, make this modern or how do we do. Give this an edge. But we
hadn't done something like that. And it was a bit out of our comfort zone
to do something. We like brick pop chords and we're like, let's do it.
Let's. Let's like see it through. And that's. That. That makes it so much fun.
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I mean, if you look at what people like,
our listeners like the most, it's mostly kind of the heavy stuff.
Right. But it's very. It's really,
Can I say, liberating to have. To have the
artistic freedom to just do whatever you want.
It's. It's such a Luxury for us. Yeah. And I
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love that you. I mean, the Fight Fire with Gasoline acoustic. I love that you
guys do those things, right, where it's like, you're a heavier band, but
you can also strip songs back to
acoustic, where that's where, you know, it's like, a really great
song, or so they say. Right, if you can play it. Yeah,
exactly. Our producer tells us that all the time. So I love
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the fact that. Sorry, go ahead, Patrick. No, continue.
I was just gonna say, I. I love that you guys do that, and I
love it when heavier bands do that, where it's like, not only can we do
this one thing, be super hard, and. But we can also strip that
song back and still make it an amazing, amazing
song. We have always been, like, doing acoustic shows or,
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like, smaller stuff, and like, yeah, let's do five shows, five songs
acoustic on this venue, whatever. Just. Oh, I didn't know that. And,
like, way back, for. Since. Since the beginning, so it's like a piece
of us to do it to the acoustic as well, so. And we kind of
like that. It's nice to have the difference between the two settings.
Sure. Do you guys go in to write acoustic at all or, like, when
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you're writing a song, is it start off on, like, acoustic guitar?
Well, sometimes they do. It really depends.
They're actually trying to get me to. To start off acoustic a lot more.
But we. We work, like, on the basic ideas. We can take out and
just work on melodies or.
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But it's. It's a lot of the time. It's. It's an idea.
Like, if it's a riff or a chorus or I have a. I have some
lyrics or a theme or something. We start, like, working together. We have, like, a
big pot of ideas in a Dropbox folder.
Okay. That we. That we can pick from if we don't come up with something
new. So. But I. I guess. I guess we start
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some of our songs out acoustically. Okay. And
with these. These new batch of songs just
based off the artwork on Spotify, I would. I'm guessing maybe you have a
NEP or an album in the works or it.
They're just kind of. But I want to ask you not only that
question, but, you know, Scandinavian Dream, and
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you have Matthew McConaughey, which is a rad song, and hysteria,
like, kind of. Tell me about those songs. When did you start writing those?
The Scandinavian Dream was. Let's see, it was
sometime around when we toured with.
Almost a year ago. Oh, wow. We were going on tour with The Dead
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by April, and we were going to write a song or we wrote a song
with them, and we were trying to hit, like, a deadline before we went on
tour with them so we could perform it live together, but we
didn't make that deadline. So we had
Scandinavian dream in the pipe.
Okay. And so we. We wrote it. Like, some of the lyrics are written when
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we're out on tour, and then we kind of finished it up when we got
home. Yeah. And it's. It's like,
you know, we haven't. We haven't thought about it, like, but it's been kind
of a, like, critique towards society. Like,
the past couple songs that we've had that. It hasn't been a
plan. Okay. How it's been. You know, sometimes you're in
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some. Some part, like, some periods in your life, you're a bit more bitter, I
guess. Sure. Well, yeah.
So what about McConaughey? I love that.
Well, I did tell the story. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't
interview just like we are doing right now.
And my mother's American, so sometimes I have, like. I get the
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accent. I'm born and raised in Sweden, so my English is just. Is.
It sounds American, But. Yeah, I was gonna say you don't have much of an
accent. You can hear. You can hear. I have. Sometimes it comes
back. The Swedish comes into it, but. No, but I did an
interview, and my. The drummer, Eric, and his
brother, who is our producer, they were sitting
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and just listening to it, and our
drummer said he's. He sounded just like. He. Sometimes he sounds just like
Matthew McConaughey. And our producer said. Our producer says
that's a good title for a song. And. Yeah, just.
We. We haven't done a lot of humor. We've done some humor on
our last album, which is fun, but it's not really. It's not
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really like. Like not being
serious. It's more like. But this was really just
doing. Going humoristic a whole song, and it was,
like I said, out of our comfort zone. So it was really cool doing it.
That's funny. And it all just came out of the fact that you were in
an interview with someone and they said, you sound like Matthew McConaughey. Yeah.
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And also, I love the movie. Yeah. And I love the movie Interstellar so much.
I've seen it a bit too many times. And.
And I've seen a lot of other movies with him, but so I. I love.
I love his acting. And so it was. It was just. It was
just really cool to try something Different. Yeah, it's funny.
I. The. I recently. My son and I just started watching
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a re. I was re. Watching with him the first season of
True Detective. Did you ever watch that with Makan? It's so good.
But yeah. So Hysteria is the newest one. Let's hear about that song. And then
I want to know like going forward, do you have an album? You guys are
album band, which is awesome. Well,
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Hysteria, we just like. I.
I did like some schoolwork or I studied
to become a producer myself during the pandemic. Okay.
And one of the things I Songs that I put in to
like for. I don't know if it was a test or I don't remember something
that I put in, I had with me to the studio. And I remember
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Niklas, our genius producer, just. He did something completely different
with it and just. You know, I
love bands. I love bands like Fall Out Boy and
Panic at the Disco and all that kind of. That's kind of my
type of music like when I was growing up.
And so I. So we did like a verse that was a little bit in
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that world and like the theme to the song, it was something that
I've been thinking about for a long time. So like how
social media is like you can just destroy so many people's life
trying to make it, you know, on. On it.
But it's. Yeah, but it's also cool because we did like trying something new.
We put some horror themed kind of
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sound into it just. Just to like get.
Try, push something new into it and it became something really cool
and. Yeah. So I mean I have.
I've. If you. If you haven't watched the video, you should. It's Eric's.
Eric's daughter is on it and he's like holding up a phone and she can
see like all the comments are coming in and all the thumbs down and. Yeah.
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Huh. I. I was gonna ask because it does have that the video
is really related directly to the social media. Right?
Yeah. And it's this. There. There is some
hypocrisy in this though because I mean we want people to
comment like and share our stuff. So
I mean it's. It's the. We're. We're critical about the system,
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but we're as. We're as guilty as
anybody else. Yeah. The video. She. You can't see
her though, right? She's just kind of. Yeah, yeah. It's like
the ring. Exactly. The ring. That's what it reminded me of. I love
and moving forward. Are you guys. I mean, you're doing a bunch of festivals, right?
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I mean, out here in the States. And do you have
like, can you talk about what. What's to come with the. At least the three
songs in the similar artwork on Spotify? Yeah, we
have a song that drops on Friday. Oh, another one?
Yeah, we were. Next week. Oh, sorry, that drops next week. And we
were just in Latvia
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this weekend. Yeah, we recorded a music video.
Well, let's tell me about this one, because this will be out after that song's
out. Yeah, this will be. Yeah, this song will be out on Friday
next week. Yeah, exactly. So it's. Yeah. And
we wanted to try to write an arena song that is
like, we have. There's always
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so much power and so much happening all the time when we
play live. It was. We thought it would be cool to have something where we
slow it down like just a little bit. Okay. And
I've been obsessed with a speech
from Carl Sagan about the pale
blue.it's it's a speech where in
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1990, the Voyager 1 probe took a picture of
Earth from a very far distance. And he has
a historical speech where he talks about how small
we are. And it just. I'm not going to say that it changed my life,
but it had a really big impact on me and how it looks. How. Look
how. How small we are and insignificant
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in so many ways. And how we make pity
problems very big. And it was like the perfect song to write about
that. So it's called A Beautiful Disaster. And that's what we are.
Love it. And what's the video looking like? Or have you shot the video?
Yes, we shot the video. They've had some actors
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shoot too, and some other stuff, but we just did the band
scenes, so we're not kind. Of in a post
apocalyptic vibe. It's like the world has gone to
crap. Okay. Very, very cool. Well, I'm excited to hear it. I love
what you guys have out thus far and I appreciate
you taking time and. And doing this today. Thank you. Oh, we love doing this.
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And we can also say that all these singles will be on the new album
called Destroy the Art. There we go.
Of course you can later this year. One more time. What's it called?
Destroy the Art. Destroy the Art. I love it. I was gonna say because
all the. The covers look similar and I'm. I'm picking it
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up. I'm like, okay, they. They got similar artwork here.
Hopefully we got an album and you're an album band, which I respect and love,
so that's great. And they got, they got. There's some nice details
to the destroy the art thing. There's been like
a thing now where
activists have been throwing paint on art. On
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expensive worldly art. Oh, yes. Yeah, so it's
a little bit about that. And it also spins. Like our first EP
or like when we did the
fundraiser. No, that's not. We had
the crowdfund. Crowdfund. It was. We had
endorsed the art. So it's like that's kind of a.
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Just not destroy the art. It's just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
love it. Yeah, it's in. It's the. In the world. The same world of
that. So very, very cool. Well, again, I appreciate you both. I
want. I have one more quick question. I want to know if I can get
an answer from both of you. If you have any
advice for aspiring artists.
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Never give up. Yeah, that's the thing that's. Keep
on going. There's always. There's always going to be a hundred
bands that will want. That, will want the.
That you're. What do you call it? Competing against.
And so you can't just sit on your ass and think that things
will happen. You have to. You have to be on it. You have to be
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willing to, To. To sacrifice dinners with your
family. I mean, how many ex girlfriends have hated this
band Self deception of ours? It's. Yeah, it's. I
mean, it's. It's a. You have to be dedicated.
And I mean, it doesn't work for everybody, but it's the
only way because nothing comes for free. There's so many other musicians that want to
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take the big stage.
Bringing it backwards,
bringing it backwards, bringing it backwards,
bringing it backwards, bringing it backwards,
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bringing it backwards.
Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.
Bringing it backwards. What is going on?
It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast where both
legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how
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they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to
chat with Andres and Patrick of Self
Deception over Zoom Video. Both
Andre's and Patrick were born and raised in Stockholm,
Sweden, and talk about how they got into music. They actually both
started out on the drums and they met early on, like in their
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teenage years when they were both in high school. They talked about being in a
musical together where ironically,
Andres was the drummer and Patrick was the
guitar player and the singer during this musical. Now
Andres is the singer of Self Deception and
Patrick is the bass player. Patrick didn't join the band until the
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second album, like 2010. So Andres kind of
talks about the origin of the band, how they got started, and how that really
started off of a message to their drummer Eric,
where he sent a message to the wrong person. He thought he was sending a
message to someone else. It landed to him and they
became fast friends, met up and started Self Deception.
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We talk about the sound of the band a lot, how they're heavy, but they're
not super heavy and they're not alternative pop.
So they kind of fell in this weird area, especially
in Sweden, where they weren't able to get booked on certain shows
because of their sound and. But obviously that didn't matter because they
they've done massive things. They blew up. They
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talk about how the Internet really helped them as far as their
career went. And we talk a lot about the past album that they put out
in 2023 and all about the new album that's coming
out and the current singles that the band has
just released, Hysteria being the most recent one. You can watch the
interview with Patrick, Andres and myself on her Facebook page and
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Bringing. It Backwards with Self Deception. Well, I'm Adam.
Very nice to meet both of you. Yeah,
this podcast is about you guys and your. Your journey of music. We'll talk about
the band and new single and everything else
you, you guys have going on. Yeah. Cool.
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Sweet. I always start off with Born and Raised the,
the bands. Sweden, right? You guys are from Sweden
originally? Yeah, yeah. Stockholm, Sweden.
Huh? Are you guys still living
there? Yeah, I still live just outside of
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Stockholm. Andreas moved a little bit north, but.
Yeah, yeah, we're born and raised in Stockholm,
the state of Stockholm. And now
we've gotten a couple of. We got a little older. A couple of us have
moved just outside of Stockholm and some of us moved more into the center. But
Stockholm is where we, where we are from. Right on.
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Well, tell me, Andres, like, where did
you, like, how did you get into music? Do you come from a creative household,
musical household at all, or like, how did you kind of start? Actually,
my mom is very creative. She, she's, she sings and
plays the piano and guitar and stuff. But it was never. Because
that was not what got me interested in, in it, into it. It was,
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to be honest, it was. I wanted. I was a pretty lonely
kid and first and I got. Had this big crush on
this girl in school, and so I wrote a song that I performed in
front of class. Oh, wow. That's bold. Yeah.
Yeah. And it was the first time I felt like somebody saw me. And
after that, it's, I was hooked. And that was the only thing I wanted to
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do so because, like, that's the way I could make people understand
how I feel for the first time. Wow. I
mean, so you were like, okay, I like this person. I'm gonna write this song.
And then was it like a talent show or you just said, hey, ask
the teacher. Can I, can I just get up and play this, play this tune
for you? And did they know it was about them? Well,
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actually, we had, I think we had like our
music class. We had a couple of. We, we were supposed to put something together.
It wasn't that serious. You just had to do something. And.
Well, I, I, she knows it was for her because
her boyfriend was about to be beat me up after that.
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I didn't know he. She was together with some older guy in school,
so. Oh, oops.
Oh, that's funny. And Patrick, what about you? Do you come from
a creative household or musical household? Yeah, not really.
Well, my dad has been bringing me to concerts since I was a kid.
I've been going like all the classic rock shows
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and like, stuff since I was really young. But I started out
playing drums myself when I was 13, and then it just
snowballed into guitars and then I just turned up in the bass player and
Self Deception because of Andreas. So. Wow. It
just happened. Yeah. Weren't you, from what I was reading
you, what, produced the third album, Right. Or did you. Or
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were you working with the band from the beginning? I. I don't know.
No, no, you get confused. I haven't produced anything. Okay. Yeah, then I'm
definitely confused. Yeah. No, but I haven't been with the band from the beginning either.
They have another bass player from the start. Okay. Then.
Then I needed to jump in for a couple of weekends playing live, and then
kind of got stuck. What album is that on? Or what year was that
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on? Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there, Andreas. Do you
remember which one it was? Which album? Because. Yeah, you put.
No, you put. Actually you laid down the bass track on Stay Young
on. Right. Oh, maybe. I think
you did. So It's. It's the 2000. It's the 2011
album. I think that he. He. He joined the band.
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Okay. So. Yeah, no, I fought for him because
he's. He's. He knows a lot about a lot of stuff. He knows a little
bit about a lot of stuff. He has, like, he has
a certain charm to him and he, you know, he's good with people
and he's. He knows music, like, broadly in a. In
a. In a good way. So I fought for. I really fought for
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Patrick to. For us to. To get him in
the band, pick. Him up full time. Yeah.
Okay, well, I'm curious real quick. Patrick with you? So did you start
a band or anything? Like, you said you started on drums. Like, what. Did you
play in bands or anything early on, and then eventually. How do you
meet Andreas? Just kind of have, like, bands in
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school. Okay. And then Andreas and me went to the same. We went to the
same school both, like, in high school and afterwards, but we never were in the
same class because we're two years apart. Okay. But then. Then
we. We just. We just made friends and I was hanging around the band
before I joined them. Just went to, like, all the shows and had a
good time left hanging around, helping out with whatever I could. Official
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drinking support. I was official drinking support for years,
and it still is, but I'm my own
official drinking support. But you
forget. You forget, Patrick. We actually did a musical together in school. Do you
remember? Yeah, I know where I. Yeah, I played the
drums. I was my first year in. What do you call. Is it high school?
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No, it's. It's college. No, high school. What is it?
How old are you? It's for between 15 and 18
or something like that. Yeah, that would still be high school. At least here in
this case it'd be high school. Yeah. Yeah.
So we went on a tour and stuff. A little school tour,
really doing a musical. What it. Were you both in the band part or were
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you on the stage acting? I was
actually acting also. Yeah. And I play guitar and I sang
and acting. And Andreas was the drummer of the band, so.
Wow. Pretty cool. And then I have really long hair and made it into
spikes. It was amazing. And now I have no hair anymore. Oh
man, that's so funny. But Andres, you were a
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drummer as well? Yeah, that's kind of where I. I started
when I was 14 and. But I also
started singing at the same time and
I like playing drums. But after a while I decided that I want to stand.
Staying standing in front of the stage because I wanted to be seen. Yeah,
I was like. I said I was a lonely, lonely kid and for like I
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could express my feelings and people would listen to
was. It was the best thing. I actually got into like a
music gymnasium
just because they were short on drummers. I had really bad grades, but they had
one drummer short. So I got in and I went half a year. But then
it was too tough. School was too tough during the teenage years. So yeah, sure,
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I dropped. I dropped out and got to his school. Oh,
really? Okay. Yeah, that's funny. And then you
start self deception. How does the band start then? Do you.
Well, origin story. I had
another band that I played in. Like
that wasn't very serious, but we wanted. We wanted to make something out of it.
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And I got in this fight with the
guitarist in that band that was. Well, he left me during
a fight where that I got into just. He just left.
And so I didn't talk to him for two months. So when I got back,
he had somebody else and they sounded so great,
they sounded so good. And my jealousy pushed me that
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got to start something on my own. That was awesome. And
so I was okay. I. I sat on. There was
like a page for musicians. I don't remember the name, but
you could chat with like it was a community, like one of the first music
communities in Sweden where you could find band members and discuss stuff. And.
And so I found this guy with that was.
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He said his username was like Eric Drummer or something.
And I must. I wrote it wrong, obviously, because I wrote
to him at a later time and I said, oh, we were talking about
all these music and blah, blah, blah. And he was like, no, I have not.
I have not talked to you. Oh, wow. Whoops.
So I added the wrong. I added the wrong drummer, but that's the. And
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that's the guy we have today. Really? So you were
talking to another drummer or you. The message went to the.
The person you currently have. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Mr. Eric.
It was just by chance. It was. Oh my gosh. And meant to be. And
then you meet up and what, start writing songs together and the band kind of
starts there. Yeah, we put something together like a year before
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we became officially Self Deception, but we wanted different
things and. And they were. I remember
the, the guys and the other, the other guys that we, that we. That we
don't play with anymore, they were telling us that we were. We were
deceiving ourselves trying to play some. This kind of American
popular music in Sweden and hence the,
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the bad. We just joked about the band name Self Deception because of
that and it stuck. Interesting. Yeah,
they said, oh, you just. Yeah, you're just trying to do some American kind of
music style that's popular over there and it's not. You're just. You're just f
yourselves. And we're like, yeah, we're full of self deception. And it just stuck.
Was it. But it must have worked obviously, in, in Sweden. Were you playing
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like shows around and were you gaining like a fan base at that time too?
No. Well, we did. We did decently, I guess. But
I mean, but then through so many years, it was really hard for us
in Sweden to get into music festivals and, and, and
just different kind of because we were too soft for the, for
the hard rock places and we were too hard for the
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more sound kind of bands. So we
stream and everything. Yeah, it was. So it's been really hard.
And we were like, okay, we got to work on this. We got to hype
this until they can't say no. And that's kind of what happened
18 years later.
So what was. So after. I mean, you put that first album out, was there
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any. Were you guys getting
all. Any of these shows at this point yet? Or was it just like, let's
put this album out and then kind of just see what we
can do locally or. Once the first album came out,
like, where were you all at as far as the. The band? Well,
we were playing like music contests and
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like Day Dave daily small
festival ish kind of things that we got through like
connections and it wasn't. Well, just really small scale.
We might have got into some radio performing once or twice on
radio, but it Was we never got like the, like any
bigger shows really.
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So we just. I mean, we must have maybe played like five shows a
year. I mean, that's pretty much how it was. And then besides that, we
just released music and just wanted to try to make the name.
Make a name online pretty much. Okay, and was that where you
were getting most of your. Your fans was on online?
Yeah, in the beginning we had a lot locally. We had
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a lot of support. We had a great support in Stockholm.
We were like the. A new. Something new for the young people that
wasn't this old, old fart dude rock.
Yeah, so I guess that was. So we had support
and we played like at home in Stockholm, but
it was really hard outside of that. Okay. And
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then two, that the next album in 2011 is when Patrick, you
joined. Joined the band or you at least recorded on that first the song.
The first song in the album and then you joined shortly
after that. Yeah, some. Sometime around that at
least. I think I did the first shows in 2010 or something, but
was like 20. 2011 was. 2011 was when I kind
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of officially joined, I think. Okay, but. But
we've been also like struggling with different record labels for like
all of these albums. Yeah.
I'm promising this and that and this is what's gonna happen. Then people quit and
nothing happened and they put you on a shelf and like, yeah, we're gonna do
that later. So that's what kind of led up to what we do
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today. That we were like, we're gonna do everything by ourselves instead of.
Okay, so yeah, now you're doing it. You're just independent, right? Yeah, yeah.
Wow, that's amazing. So we're doing different labels throughout, you
know, even the self titled album. And you know, down the
line. You put a album out last year too, right, didn't you?
Yeah, yeah. Wow. That was the first. First of our own
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labels, right? Yeah, we had two.
It was like we, we. Those. That album was parted in two,
so it was first more like an ep and then we packaged
that EP into the album. Okay,
tell me. Like. No, no, no, no, no.
We. We have two albums that we released on our own label. Okay.
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Shapes. On our own label as well. Shapes, yeah. Shape is our own.
And yeah. Get to know everything.
At what point were you getting on these? Because, I mean, you're doing like
aftershock. I mean, you look at those lineups and it's like, okay, Iron Ma playing
the same day as you all. But it's like, you know, at what point does.
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Do you Kind of get, you know, accepted in as like,
okay, we know where to place this band now, or was
there, like a big song? Or did you have, like a huge Internet moment? Or,
like, what kind of skyrockets you to the next level? We
did. We did just to start on our own feet and do release
our own album on our own terms. We had, like, a crowdfund that we did
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okay. And yeah, we got. We raised the money in a
couple of days. And so we had. We had a good start.
And for every song that we started releasing, our
listeners started growing all the time. And we just got,
like, to this new place where we stopped trying to please
people and just try something new every time we recorded a song
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and experiment, and it became more fun. And it.
It was like, part of why everything started to go so well.
And after. After a year of just releasing one song at a time, and
it was close to putting together the
latest album, we got up to a
million listeners a month on Spotify. Yeah, up
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to the album that came out last year. Yeah,
yeah. And it was like, people started
calling us. The manager we had now. He. He put. He has like
a festival. He puts together a lot of things, or used to. And
he called us because I. Another act had jumped
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off, and we did really well on that show. And. And
he just. He said, all right, I'll. I'll see what I can do for you.
And he hooked us up with festivals, and we went on
tours with awesome bands, and we, like, built up
a great port portfolio.
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And after that, just. I mean, it just started. More and more
gigs started coming in, snowballing. Yeah.
Yeah, I bet that was cool. I mean, to see your.
Your crowdfund. You said in three days you had
the money to do the album. I mean, that's like, pretty unheard of.
That was ridiculous. It was ridiculous.
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So now you have, like. I mean, Hysteria, I think, is the newest one.
Correct. Yeah. So, you know,
from these albums doing well and crowdfunding,
and now you're like, okay, well, I don't even. We don't even need the record
label that the whole end of it is. Is gone. But you were
talking about just doing your own thing, right? Like, you weren't
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trying to write for any particular reason. You were just as far
as like, appeasing people, right? It was like, we're just gonna do these things for
ourselves and experiment. Like, was that
difficult decision to make, or was it like, let's just try this. Who
cares? Or were you concerned about the. The fans you had prior
to Making this decision. We had just finished
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the album Shape, and it. That was a very serious
album. It was a lot about depression and tough times. And
it was kind of the type of song that we've been writing. Very
emotional for a long time. And
it's then we. When we started from scratch
on the new album or just a new song, we tried something
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different. It's a song called the Fall, and it was about
like just a hard time in a marriage. And it was very different
from what we'd done. And we just tried something new and just felt really
cool. We didn't know how it would go. I mean, it didn't go awesome, but
we felt like we had found something that was really fun.
And for every new song that we did, there was always a new idea. And
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we were like, okay, we gotta leave our comfort zone every time
now. Because that's the fun thing to do to like. Of course, some things
that we try, we keep in future, like
stylistically, because we love it so much. But
that's kind of the through line through. Through the whole album is that we just.
For every song there's like, we want to try something new. I mean, we're
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kind of a heavy rock poppy band. Yeah. 100.
But we. We decided to do a. Like a
ballad on that. And we didn't try to do it edgy. We just
tried to do something that. That we've never done. And that would be a
classical rock ballad styled song.
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And so I got. I got the. I got to write the
lyrics to Towards My Daughter. And it was
something very like. What do you call it? Naked
and. Like stripped down.
Yeah. Yeah. And just an acoustic guitar and singing. Yeah.
Nothing else. Yeah, that's Haley's lullabies. Yeah.
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Great. And, yeah, it's just something that. I mean, if we would have
thought that we would. Okay, now we gotta think of how do we do
this, make this modern or how do we do. Give this an edge. But we
hadn't done something like that. And it was a bit out of our comfort zone
to do something. We like brick pop chords and we're like, let's do it.
Let's. Let's like see it through. And that's. That. That makes it so much fun.
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I mean, if you look at what people like,
our listeners like the most, it's mostly kind of the heavy stuff.
Right. But it's very. It's really,
Can I say, liberating to have. To have the
artistic freedom to just do whatever you want.
It's. It's such a Luxury for us. Yeah. And I
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love that you. I mean, the Fight Fire with Gasoline acoustic. I love that you
guys do those things, right, where it's like, you're a heavier band, but
you can also strip songs back to
acoustic, where that's where, you know, it's like, a really great
song, or so they say. Right, if you can play it. Yeah,
exactly. Our producer tells us that all the time. So I love
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the fact that. Sorry, go ahead, Patrick. No, continue.
I was just gonna say, I. I love that you guys do that, and I
love it when heavier bands do that, where it's like, not only can we do
this one thing, be super hard, and. But we can also strip that
song back and still make it an amazing, amazing
song. We have always been, like, doing acoustic shows or,
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like, smaller stuff, and like, yeah, let's do five shows, five songs
acoustic on this venue, whatever. Just. Oh, I didn't know that. And,
like, way back, for. Since. Since the beginning, so it's like a piece
of us to do it to the acoustic as well, so. And we kind of
like that. It's nice to have the difference between the two settings.
Sure. Do you guys go in to write acoustic at all or, like, when
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you're writing a song, is it start off on, like, acoustic guitar?
Well, sometimes they do. It really depends.
They're actually trying to get me to. To start off acoustic a lot more.
But we. We work, like, on the basic ideas. We can take out and
just work on melodies or.
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But it's. It's a lot of the time. It's. It's an idea.
Like, if it's a riff or a chorus or I have a. I have some
lyrics or a theme or something. We start, like, working together. We have, like, a
big pot of ideas in a Dropbox folder.
Okay. That we. That we can pick from if we don't come up with something
new. So. But I. I guess. I guess we start
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some of our songs out acoustically. Okay. And
with these. These new batch of songs just
based off the artwork on Spotify, I would. I'm guessing maybe you have a
NEP or an album in the works or it.
They're just kind of. But I want to ask you not only that
question, but, you know, Scandinavian Dream, and
(24:19):
you have Matthew McConaughey, which is a rad song, and hysteria,
like, kind of. Tell me about those songs. When did you start writing those?
The Scandinavian Dream was. Let's see, it was
sometime around when we toured with.
Almost a year ago. Oh, wow. We were going on tour with The Dead
(24:39):
by April, and we were going to write a song or we wrote a song
with them, and we were trying to hit, like, a deadline before we went on
tour with them so we could perform it live together, but we
didn't make that deadline. So we had
Scandinavian dream in the pipe.
Okay. And so we. We wrote it. Like, some of the lyrics are written when
(25:01):
we're out on tour, and then we kind of finished it up when we got
home. Yeah. And it's. It's like,
you know, we haven't. We haven't thought about it, like, but it's been kind
of a, like, critique towards society. Like,
the past couple songs that we've had that. It hasn't been a
plan. Okay. How it's been. You know, sometimes you're in
(25:22):
some. Some part, like, some periods in your life, you're a bit more bitter, I
guess. Sure. Well, yeah.
So what about McConaughey? I love that.
Well, I did tell the story. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't
interview just like we are doing right now.
And my mother's American, so sometimes I have, like. I get the
(25:45):
accent. I'm born and raised in Sweden, so my English is just. Is.
It sounds American, But. Yeah, I was gonna say you don't have much of an
accent. You can hear. You can hear. I have. Sometimes it comes
back. The Swedish comes into it, but. No, but I did an
interview, and my. The drummer, Eric, and his
brother, who is our producer, they were sitting
(26:07):
and just listening to it, and our
drummer said he's. He sounded just like. He. Sometimes he sounds just like
Matthew McConaughey. And our producer said. Our producer says
that's a good title for a song. And. Yeah, just.
We. We haven't done a lot of humor. We've done some humor on
our last album, which is fun, but it's not really. It's not
(26:30):
really like. Like not being
serious. It's more like. But this was really just
doing. Going humoristic a whole song, and it was,
like I said, out of our comfort zone. So it was really cool doing it.
That's funny. And it all just came out of the fact that you were in
an interview with someone and they said, you sound like Matthew McConaughey. Yeah.
(26:52):
And also, I love the movie. Yeah. And I love the movie Interstellar so much.
I've seen it a bit too many times. And.
And I've seen a lot of other movies with him, but so I. I love.
I love his acting. And so it was. It was just. It was
just really cool to try something Different. Yeah, it's funny.
I. The. I recently. My son and I just started watching
(27:15):
a re. I was re. Watching with him the first season of
True Detective. Did you ever watch that with Makan? It's so good.
But yeah. So Hysteria is the newest one. Let's hear about that song. And then
I want to know like going forward, do you have an album? You guys are
album band, which is awesome. Well,
(27:36):
Hysteria, we just like. I.
I did like some schoolwork or I studied
to become a producer myself during the pandemic. Okay.
And one of the things I Songs that I put in to
like for. I don't know if it was a test or I don't remember something
that I put in, I had with me to the studio. And I remember
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Niklas, our genius producer, just. He did something completely different
with it and just. You know, I
love bands. I love bands like Fall Out Boy and
Panic at the Disco and all that kind of. That's kind of my
type of music like when I was growing up.
And so I. So we did like a verse that was a little bit in
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that world and like the theme to the song, it was something that
I've been thinking about for a long time. So like how
social media is like you can just destroy so many people's life
trying to make it, you know, on. On it.
But it's. Yeah, but it's also cool because we did like trying something new.
We put some horror themed kind of
(28:44):
sound into it just. Just to like get.
Try, push something new into it and it became something really cool
and. Yeah. So I mean I have.
I've. If you. If you haven't watched the video, you should. It's Eric's.
Eric's daughter is on it and he's like holding up a phone and she can
see like all the comments are coming in and all the thumbs down and. Yeah.
(29:07):
Huh. I. I was gonna ask because it does have that the video
is really related directly to the social media. Right?
Yeah. And it's this. There. There is some
hypocrisy in this though because I mean we want people to
comment like and share our stuff. So
I mean it's. It's the. We're. We're critical about the system,
(29:29):
but we're as. We're as guilty as
anybody else. Yeah. The video. She. You can't see
her though, right? She's just kind of. Yeah, yeah. It's like
the ring. Exactly. The ring. That's what it reminded me of. I love
and moving forward. Are you guys. I mean, you're doing a bunch of festivals, right?
(29:50):
I mean, out here in the States. And do you have
like, can you talk about what. What's to come with the. At least the three
songs in the similar artwork on Spotify? Yeah, we
have a song that drops on Friday. Oh, another one?
Yeah, we were. Next week. Oh, sorry, that drops next week. And we
were just in Latvia
(30:13):
this weekend. Yeah, we recorded a music video.
Well, let's tell me about this one, because this will be out after that song's
out. Yeah, this will be. Yeah, this song will be out on Friday
next week. Yeah, exactly. So it's. Yeah. And
we wanted to try to write an arena song that is
like, we have. There's always
(30:35):
so much power and so much happening all the time when we
play live. It was. We thought it would be cool to have something where we
slow it down like just a little bit. Okay. And
I've been obsessed with a speech
from Carl Sagan about the pale
blue.it's it's a speech where in
(30:56):
1990, the Voyager 1 probe took a picture of
Earth from a very far distance. And he has
a historical speech where he talks about how small
we are. And it just. I'm not going to say that it changed my life,
but it had a really big impact on me and how it looks. How. Look
how. How small we are and insignificant
(31:18):
in so many ways. And how we make pity
problems very big. And it was like the perfect song to write about
that. So it's called A Beautiful Disaster. And that's what we are.
Love it. And what's the video looking like? Or have you shot the video?
Yes, we shot the video. They've had some actors
(31:39):
shoot too, and some other stuff, but we just did the band
scenes, so we're not kind. Of in a post
apocalyptic vibe. It's like the world has gone to
crap. Okay. Very, very cool. Well, I'm excited to hear it. I love
what you guys have out thus far and I appreciate
you taking time and. And doing this today. Thank you. Oh, we love doing this.
(32:02):
And we can also say that all these singles will be on the new album
called Destroy the Art. There we go.
Of course you can later this year. One more time. What's it called?
Destroy the Art. Destroy the Art. I love it. I was gonna say because
all the. The covers look similar and I'm. I'm picking it
(32:23):
up. I'm like, okay, they. They got similar artwork here.
Hopefully we got an album and you're an album band, which I respect and love,
so that's great. And they got, they got. There's some nice details
to the destroy the art thing. There's been like
a thing now where
activists have been throwing paint on art. On
(32:45):
expensive worldly art. Oh, yes. Yeah, so it's
a little bit about that. And it also spins. Like our first EP
or like when we did the
fundraiser. No, that's not. We had
the crowdfund. Crowdfund. It was. We had
endorsed the art. So it's like that's kind of a.
(33:05):
Just not destroy the art. It's just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I
love it. Yeah, it's in. It's the. In the world. The same world of
that. So very, very cool. Well, again, I appreciate you both. I
want. I have one more quick question. I want to know if I can get
an answer from both of you. If you have any
advice for aspiring artists.
(33:28):
Never give up. Yeah, that's the thing that's. Keep
on going. There's always. There's always going to be a hundred
bands that will want. That, will want the.
That you're. What do you call it? Competing against.
And so you can't just sit on your ass and think that things
will happen. You have to. You have to be on it. You have to be
(33:49):
willing to, To. To sacrifice dinners with your
family. I mean, how many ex girlfriends have hated this
band Self deception of ours? It's. Yeah, it's. I
mean, it's. It's a. You have to be dedicated.
And I mean, it doesn't work for everybody, but it's the
only way because nothing comes for free. There's so many other musicians that want to
(34:13):
take the big stage.
Bringing it backwards,
bringing it backwards, bringing it backwards,
bringing it backwards, bringing it backwards,
(34:36):
bringing it backwards.
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