What metrics actually matter in marketing—and which ones are misleading in an AI-driven world?
In this episode, we dive deep into what actually drives business growth—and what metrics, mindsets, and marketing strategies founders need to let go of as the landscape rapidly evolves.
From measuring marketing performance correctly, to resisting FOMO-driven decisions, to leveraging AI and content as force multipliers, this conversation is a practical, experience-backed guide for entrepreneurs at every stage—especially those who want sustainable growth without burning cash, people, or systems.
This is not about hacks. It's about clarity, discipline, and long-term advantage.
What did they talk about?
Marketing must be measured by business outcomes, not vanity metrics
Small businesses fail when they spread themselves too thin
Slow down to speed up
AI is not killing marketing—it's reshaping it
If you're an entrepreneur, founder, or business leader trying to grow smarter—not just louder—this episode is for you.
Know more about Lee Pepper. Check his website: https://www.neveroutmatched.com/
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Are you measuring what's easy… or what actually grows your business?
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