Jackie Tohn chats Nobody Wants This, Kristen Bell being her bestie and never giving up!

Jackie Tohn, Actress, Singer, starring on the hit show, NOBODY WANTS THIS on Netflix, Stops by Chanel in the City to chat with host, Chanel Omari on all things Nobody Wants This Season 1 and 2. 

Jackie chats growing up in OceanSide Long Island as a Jewish girl with big Hollywood dreams. She opens up about the obstacles she had to face before she became a successful actress, what is it feels like to be one of the stars of a hit show and what its like to work with Adam Brody and Kristen Bell, her bestie! 

Jackie Tohn is an American actress, musician, comedian, writer, and show creator known for her roles in "GLOW," "A Futile and Stupid Gesture," and "Sisters". She also gained recognition as a contestant on American Idol season 8 and the Bravo series "Platinum Hit". In addition to acting, she's a singer/songwriter and has co-created the animated preschool musical series "Do, Re & Mi". 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, it's Jackie Tone from Nobody Wants This and you
are listening to Chanell in the City with who shanell Omari?
You knew that?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Chanell in
the City on iHeartRadio. I'm your host, Shanell O Maury,
and we have yet one of your favorites You've asked
for her. I'm in love with her. I'm obsessed with her.
She is a phenomenal actress, stand up comedian, writer, producer.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
She does it all.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Okay, she's my Jewish sister from another mister, and she's
the star of one of our favorite shows currently airing
on Netflix, created by Aaron Foster herself. Okay, it's called
Nobody Wants This. Please help me welcome our dear friend. Gorgeous, beautiful, talented, brilliant, funny. Okay,
Jackie Tone, everybody.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Six more adjectives, six more. Ju dude. I love that
you call like you said, Call like I said, Cole
you do.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Did you have to change it though? In the industry,
I have changed it.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I have changed it. It's very upsetting, but it comes
I'm repositioned, it comes right, it comes right back. I
mean if I talked to you for five minutes. It's
going to be like, oh I called to talk to you,
missus Garra, Like it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Because you grew up in Austin Ocean Side, which, by
the way, I went to Halfter, which was a private
Jewish scholar there you know.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Pause.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Wait, I can't. I'm obsessed with.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Older than you. But my mother taught Oh no, my
mother taught it Hank. Not wait, I think she taught
it Halfter and Hank Hank.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, I wanted to I was. I actually got into Hank,
but I chose Halfter. Hank is a great school.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Did you ever have a substitute gym teacher named Missus Tone?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Wait? Maybe?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
And I loved Jim, she said after and Hank.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
She was asked her about shanell O Mari.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I feel like my name alone would be like I
got in trouble a lot to me.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I was the class clown.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Were you no, baby?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Of course?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I was dead serious, just kidding. Your your reputation for
seedes you. Let's see if miss substitute gym teacher Missus
Tone and faciliteach Nella Mari.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
She's no, she.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Was only substituting at that point because she's such she's
so amazing, But she was taking me on auditions and stuff,
so she didn't have a full time job. I was
acting from the time it was nine, so by the
time she was doing Hank and half to I think
she was either part timing it or subbing. And then
my dad retired, and then my mom sort of.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yeah, that's so cool, we're gonna get into you were
acting since you were nine. First of all, I wish
my mom was was as cool as you. She's like,
you're not going to become an actress. He's going to
become a doctor a lugo. I'm like, you're dreaming, you
dream it?

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
First of all, mazotov a on an amazing successful first
season of Nobody Wants This, which people have been watching
it and it's breaking the internet. So if you haven't
watched it, go on Netflix right now. I binge watched
it three times and it is in the background before
we got on.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
That's how much I love this show.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
That makes my heart just explode.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Dude, how I mean mazletob on a second season. I
don't know how much you can talk about it, but.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
No, what's crazy is forty truly. Forty five seconds before
I called you, I found out we got a season two.
So now I'm just like sitting here being like a
measured grown up in an interview when really I'm like,
holy fuck, what is my life home? Like I am
writing rock songs in my brain about how insane this is.

(03:32):
But I'm like sitting here acting casual like, oh, how
are you cute, Eyeshadow? But really, a right, I have
four thousand people to call and be like like that,
we have a shiksa, we have a shixa sha gets thread.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Oh, I love this and we're gonna get into what
a shia is guys.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
And it's beyond I mean, it's like everyone's losing their minds.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Did you expect did you expect that this show would
become so popular so quick?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
And did you expect the season two?

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Or you were like, because you've been acting for so long,
you know, we go through the rejection in the industry, right,
or maybe I should speak you.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Know, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I've never I've never been rejected. I've I've gotten every
job I've ever.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
That's a man. I would believe.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I literally started acting when I was nine and didn't
truly get hired until I was thirty six, like Jax
i uh Dax Shepherd. I was on his podcast and
he said, such a funny because we're so close, he
can we can sort of talk shit with each other
in that way. And he was like he interviewing me,
I think when I was on Glow or something, and
he was like, it's so great that you got glow obviously, right,

(04:32):
you know, your your dream came true in this in
this regard, but he pointed out sort of that we
revere the perseverance of someone who's been acting since they're
nine and doesn't make it till they're thirty six, right,
But the flip side is we're not revering the person
who's been acting since they're nine in his thirty six
and it hasn't really clicked for them, Like we look

(04:54):
at those people, not me, but it feels like those
people are like we're all going like, just get a job.
And so there's such a fine line between get a
job and oh my god, you're such a you're so
strong for persevering, like it's you are one You're one
opportunity away from not being an insane person who just
keeps doing the same thing over and over and it

(05:15):
doesn't and it doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, Like that's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Did you ever lose hope? I mean, what's your advice
to people? Because acting, I think acting in comedy go
hand in hand. You're also a stand up comic, you're
also a songwriter, you're a singer. It's just your triple threat,
which is amazing, but.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
That's not easy. I think people think like, oh my god,
if you have it, you have it.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
It doesn't work that. It's a lot of excruciating years
right of working.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
I mean most of them were you know what, I
don't think while I was in them, I was clocking
them is excruciating. There definitely were times when like my
heart broke and I thought I'd I never thought i'd quit,
but I was like, ooh, I need like I'm not
a person for a minute. I want. When I was

(06:01):
twenty three, I booked my first series and it was
a mid season replacement show, so it was only we're
only doing like a six episode first season, just to
see how it goes. Created by the guy who created
A King of Queen's David Litt, incredible showrunner, show creator
and the pilot had a million people in it. They

(06:24):
read they changed the idea and so instead of being
a huge family, there were only four people and it
was jud hirsh was the grandpa, Daniel Stern was the dead,
John Francis Daily was the Sun, and I was the daughter.
And it was like all my dreams came true. I'm
twenty three years old at this point. I'm still in
the game fourteen years and this is my first real
big thing. So this wasn't like, okay and my parents

(06:45):
come in. It's from of a live studio audience. My
parents fly in and I'm taking them to my dressing
room for the dress rehearsal. And as I pull up
to my dressing room, there's a man paint rolling my
name off my park space. And that is how I
found out I was being replaced.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
You're kidding me? No, why am I not surprised?

Speaker 1 (07:10):
But okay, yes, so when you ask me now circling
back proud of myself, like, oh my god, did we
know it was a hit. Did we know we were
getting a season two d It's like the worst mistake
you can make in this business. And this is like
not me, you know, ashing a cigar and sounding like
an old man. But you just can't count your chickens,
like you don't know, you don't know, you don't know

(07:31):
that your show is going to get picked up until
it is on the television. I did a pilot years ago,
we had a time slot, and then it never came out.
We never we never made, never came out. So it
was like, you just don't know. And so I think
at this point, for better or for worse, I mean,
there's so much compartmentalizing and expectation muting. You're just like, no,

(07:55):
I don't know. I mean that people like it, but
we'll we'll see. I don't know. And I've we've just
been taught traumatized. To be measured, you have to be
otherwise you're just gonna be devastated. And then when it
happens like it has here, it's like unreal.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I love it also, and I love how like you've
been working really hard and you've we're gonna talk about
how Kristen Bell is your best friend.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
But does that mean that it does?

Speaker 2 (08:20):
And you know, I have a lot of friends in
Hollywood too, and and and friends behind the scenes or
in front of it doesn't mean right that you're gonna
get the part.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
How did this? How did you get castid for this? You?

Speaker 2 (08:28):
By the way, everyone she's there, wouldn't be no.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Show without you.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I'm not just saying this. Your character is Chef's kiss.
It is everything in this show. It is everything great
with this show. It is what I yearned to see
esther every time, I'm.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Like, this is a series. I thought this was a movie. Hallelujah, God,
thank you a men.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
We don't say that as Jews, but we're trying to
conform to the rest of the world.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
We'll get into that.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
We could do it. We could throw a Baroachem in
for the people in the back.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
You're so Jewish like me. I love it. So it's
sort of a brief story, but it's like we've been
best friends for twenty a long time, baby twenty three,
maybe now twenty one, twenty one, because we became friends
in two we met and I want to say two

(09:19):
thousand and two or three, and our queen has made
many shows since then, and I've never starred on any
of them with her, right, So it's like, nor did
I expect to.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
But it's just.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
When the what's the word, like when the combination coalescence.
I don't know what the word is, but when the
people making the show happened to know you and you
happen to be exactly right for the part, it's a
nice it's a nice melding of things. And the very
short answer to the question is how did I get

(09:55):
the part? I auditioned, just like everyone else we know
who also loves her and loves me, like we all
you know, but not everybody can. Yeah, that's sort of
a weird, roundabout answer, But the truth is I got
an audition for it for Rebecca. And I called KB
or we were hiking or something, and I was like, ooh,

(10:15):
that that show you're doing. I gues this was before
the strike, this was like early twenty twenty three, yes,
And I was like, oh, I got an audition for
Rebecca for that, for that Netflix show you're doing. And
she was like, uh, I feel like you should try
out for Esther. That's like a way more you roll.
So I was like okay. So I called my team
and I was like, hey, KB says I should try

(10:37):
out for Esther. So then in December I made my
tape in the kitchen with my boyfriend and then I
didn't find out for a month.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Oh that week, And then did you think about it
or you just like you knows.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I thought about it all the time. But then because
we're friends, I wasn't going to be like, hey, what
about that part? Like you just don't want to make
it weird, and you know, we're so close outside of
career things that I just don't want to make it
weird or whatever, and so I just didn't remember it up.
And then we were funny enough on Jennifer Hudson the
other day and I found something out that was interesting.
She was like, I took myself out of that conversation

(11:10):
because everyone knew who I wanted it to be, but
so you knew my vote. So then everybody else watched
the tapes and who was their vote, and ultimately that
was how it all went down, which is really exciting.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
That's exciting.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I mean, I gotta tell you, you do a phenomenal job.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
And and I did read a Sweekly article and I
loved how brilliant you are and how you articulate yourself.
Where there do you feel this defines the stereotypes of
Jewish women.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
And it could be a positive thing. Yes and no.
And it's also, by the way, it's a woman.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
It could be any culture, a woman in your if
people understand your character, right, like.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
There's like a pissed off edgy friend in every TV show. Yeah,
like if there isn't there isn't conflict. So the fact
my character is it happens to be Jewish. So is
is you know the ex girlfriend who is absolutely lovely
and gorgeous and delicate, and so it's like, I'm not

(12:09):
really sure what the you know, it's interesting. I was
gonna say, I'm not really sure what the hubbub is.
But the truth is, I don't really think there is hubbub.
I don't even know what we're responding to. It's non news.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, it's just more it's more hate. I always call
it like the hater raid maybe, but it's.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Like one I haven't even I've experienced zero hatraid one person.
One person wrote an article they loved the show, but
they were like, I wonder if it's not great that
that a couple of them are naggy. A couple of
them are naggy, But but that's life Jewish, right, Jewish Jewish?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Of course, you know a lot of my chicksa friends,
and we'll get into what a shiksa is. You know,
non Jewish is not a bad word. It's not a
negative word. It's just non Jewish women who we are
jealous of because they have perfect noses and blonde hair.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
I'm just kidding, but you know they can act like
that too.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I've been in houses with my best friend we're not
Jewish and their moms or their mother. So that's why
I think it's so relatable because I think we all
see ourselves in you in the mother in law, and
that in the show in you know, you know, this isn't.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
News to anyone that the mother of a culture wants
their kid to end up with a person from that culture.
That's gonna be the least shocking piece of this entire show,
but it is sort of the thing people are like, Oh,
how stereotypical. It's like, that's everyone, right. So it's like,
in this instance, we're Jews, but in every other instance
it's it's another culture, and it's like, okay, God bless,

(13:34):
that's that makes sense. That's how moms are.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
That's how moms are, right, I mean, do you even
And we're not gonna get into too many politics, but
because of what's going on, I thought it was a
beautiful thing that they're even showcasing also Judaism as part
of the theme, and like now we could see actual
Jewish feel yeah, Jewish actors, that's how I feel talk
to us like how important? More like I just guess
how personal the role is for you?

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Right, Because I.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Was raised Jewish, I had about Mitz five. I've been
to more about miss than there are days in the year.
And I love that. You know, it's always something right
because it's like the Jewish representation is so here and
it feels without being too like oh really, but it

(14:21):
feels like an honor in a way, right, Like I
feel like if this would be one of those roles,
and I'm sure there's other strong opinionated Jewish gals or
in my age group that feel the same way, but
like if this wasn't me, that would have been that
would have been tough. You know, like this just feels like, Okay,
this part is here, this is the part. This is

(14:45):
the part. Like even when I read her, I was like, yeah,
of course. And it's interesting because when you're shooting a
show like this, you do so many different takes, and
then they choose what they choose, like I did one
where I pulled up to the bar and I wasn't
screaming as loud, but at the same time he's in
the bar. You have to be screaming. And at the
same time, if there isn't conflict and the mom and
the sister in law love everybody, what is the show?

(15:08):
I exactly to be heightened. So there's narrative like what
if everyone was like cool, cool, shaking hands, kissing, and
then in the first episode everyone's just eating lasagna. It's like,
what do we there's no show there.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yeah, I mean you reminded me of my sister. She's
done that a million times. She's married with my brother
in law in the car yelling from the cross street
like get in here, You're not gonna stay with that guy.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
And also like I have tons of different friends from
all different cultures, from all over the place who either
are really passionate about something and got loud about it
or didn't. So I think it's more personal to who
Esther is than the fact that Esther's Jewish.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
To me, I'm men, and I think a lot of
people want to know how did you prepare for the
esther role? Right, because every actress or actor has their
own way. Even if the director's like I want you
to be like this or was air, I'm very involved
because she's the writer, the creator where she like directing you, like,
how did that go?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Well, we have directors as well, so but no, I
you know, it's so interesting. I just think it's one
of those lucky ones, sort of the same answer as
the last question, where like this is just there was
no other way I was going to do it, like
and if had I been directed to change my performance,

(16:25):
of course, I'm happy to do a different take or
try something else, or do it sweeter or softer and
more vulnerable. But for the most part, what you see is,
you know, sort of not who I am, but how
I read her on the page. And I think it
was really important to me to make her multi dimensional,
you know, because I didn't want her to just be

(16:46):
I did a play You'll Die and you may already
know this called Jutopia for her.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, and I thought that was really cool that you
were open about it on some press stuff. You know,
I'm trying to get more proud. I'm proud Jewish girl.
But that was cool that you're like, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Oh, I'm beyond, I'm beyond Jewish star EMOJI, listen, we
need all the help we could get. So I so,
what was I saying? Utopia? So I did Utopia? Wait?
What was I saying before that? Such adhd I'm not educated.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Should be that you did a play? I guess because
we were talking about So.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
The premise of the show is these two guys run
into each other at a high school reunion, like a
twenty year high school re union. One is named Adam
Lipschitz and the other one, oh, no whatever, and the
other one is named Chris O'Connell. And Adam is like,
what are you doing here? And he's like, I'm Jewish.
No you're not. And he's like, dude, you got a
Jewish Donnie Brasco me. You got to bring me to
the inside. I want to marry a Jewish girl, so

(17:48):
I never have to make another decision as long as
I live. Premise of the whole show love So no
one had a problem. We weren't. There were no articles
talking about how horrible it is that if you marry
a Jewish woman you never have to make another decision.
As long as you live. We all are sort of
like on board that that we're a self deprecating people.
We're a funny people. We are a people who wouldn't

(18:09):
have survived without our senses of humor. When I look
at the generational trauma through my family and coming from
Holocaust survivors, how am I from a family of the
funniest people that have ever lived with what they've gone through?
Literally what tangent I just went on about utopia about
that forgot the question the.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
D the proud Jew because you're a proud Jew? So
like right, which would answers it?

Speaker 1 (18:35):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
And not to bring it to you know, we don't
like to get We like to get deep and not
too deep. But in terms of do you think Jews
are held to a different standard in Hollywood? Meaning I
always say that adds to anti Semitism when people because
I did a show called Princesses of Long Island a
long time ago on Bravo and they did just Jewish
stereotypes and I had a lot of backlash because of it,
and so I just wonder if that sometimes adds to

(18:59):
the anti semits or kind of like how you're spinning
it where it's like, no, just be positive.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
This is who you are. You have to embrace who
you are.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
This, Yeah, I guess I'm just not I'm not a
very self hate like I'm self deprecating in a comedy way,
but I'm just not really a self haty person. I
just think as a people were generally funny and welcoming,
and yeah, I just I wanted to high Oh that's
what I was saying, and I wanted to highlight that
in this show. And it was important to me to

(19:26):
circle back just that she'd be multi dimensional and she's
fiercely loyal and she loves her best friend, and here
this girl who she doesn't even know comes along, and
it's like breaking up their foursome of like my husband
and my brother in law and his girl, like we
were gonna be it was going to be the four
of us, Like what's happening?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
I love in that hospital scene where you say that
to Noah. Noah is Adam Brodie is a character in
the show, and you're like, I don't want you to
bring and you have tears in hers like break up
the four some, And I think that's so relatable to
all of us.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
I think and I think where.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
She's coming from, Like she just loves her best friend
and she loves the way her life is, and now
it's like, well now that's all ruined because you need
to do like you need to make this decision.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
Like no, right, I love and I love your chemistry
with your husband on the show him. How are you guys?
How did you guys? How did you guys deal with
the chemistry together? Or like did you know him before?

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Was it? They're like a read No, I never I
never met him.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Not my dog like making all the noise in the
planet right now, he's like, I think I'll have some
midday kibbles a little rat. My dog is my favorite
person that's ever lived. But no, Tim is the best.
Are you kidding? He's like so funny and so easy
to get along with, and so he's just yeah, he's great.

(20:47):
And our chemistry was just pretty immediate because we're all
just just like two comedy actor Like we just said
there's such a shorthand there, and we did a lot
of not really improvised. I mean I guess improvising, but
it was more like tags on scenes, like they wouldn't
call cut into and I would just keep talking. That's

(21:09):
the character. And so that scene where I come home
from the bar and I'm like kind of escorting him
out of the room to get busy, like they didn't
call cut and we went on. There's a solid minute
of us talking that was we just talked.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Oh that's cool though. I love that because that shows
because that's what was gonna say a lot of.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Times, like do you get along with your cast members
just because you're getting along on camera as actors?

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Right beyond beyond getting along? Yeah, we were all texting
just now about the pickup and about yeah, we just
love each other, like getting together doing a game night
and we I was just I was running late to
you because I was hiking with Kristen and Justine hiked
with Emily Arlok yesterday.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
That's so you guys hike by the way, I'm I
told Ali shout out to Ali, one of our mutual
friends last Ski who we love. I said, I'm moving
to LA and she's like for the acting and comedy, Yeah, clearly,
but also I need to get my big ass to
the hikes.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
No. I mean it of course the best.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
You love it.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I'm like, you don't get lazy you don't get lazy
like I can't do.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
You know, because I have to know. I have to
it is National Mental Health Day or something funny. I'm
still fucked up. That's weird. But all of this to say, uh,
I have to for my brains, I can't. I have
to be moving at most times or I will come
down with the case of the sads. For sure.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I love that. I love that LA.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Do you think entertainment, comedy and acting in LA is
different than New York?

Speaker 3 (22:42):
Like more cutthroat, less cutthroat, equal.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
I don't know if cutthroat really comes into it. I
think it's I don't know if it's cutthroat. I mean
it's cut throat everywhere or not cut through it anywhere.
It's it's like I would say competitive more than cutthroat,
Like yeah, you know what I mean. It's not like
show Girls where you're like throwing marbles on the floor
and like hoping someone's slips. But it is like crazy

(23:05):
shit happens where you know, you pull up to your
job and they're paint rolling your name off your parking space.
It's like there really is. It's so hard. It's so
silly because like obviously people do much of course harder jobs,
but the biggest piece of our job is not the

(23:26):
actual work. It's the getting the work and and the
rest of it. So like going a set and hanging
out with Chris and Adam justin it's like that's a dream.
No one's over here claiming, you know, yeah, but yeah,
I think as far as New York and LA, New
York is obviously much more theater based.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Right, And it's also more competitive in comedy, I feel,
because they do stand up comedy and it's been like
a lot of just you know, show girl kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
You know, but that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
But then I don't know that that would be different here,
Like I don't know that we could talk about that offline,
but like right, I don't know. I'm not one hundred
percent sure how that would be like mega different out here.
But I don't really know. I mean, I'm a stand
up as well as you know, and I haven't experienced that.
In fact, what I've experienced has been like an actual
shocking generosity where I think I was scared to get

(24:16):
back into excited stand up as a teenager because I'm sick,
and in my twenties I was like, really focused on
the dudes I was dating and fostering their success. Then
in my thirties I was like, oh wait a minute,
lost a decade there, and started really focusing on myself
and do a lot of stand up again, returning to
the craft of my teen years and changed my life completely.

(24:39):
And I I point to getting back into stand up
in my early thirties as the thing that gave me
the confidence. It made me feel good enough about myself.
So now when I went on auditions, there wasn't that
sense of desperation in my eyes like there used to be.
Of just like I'm mighty for the phone to ring,
and you're.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Really, of course, what else can we do?

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Because you can't go, I mean very hard to go
and make your own movie. So you have to get
hired in something like what are gonna do? Stand outside
your house and start acting, right, you have to so
and so you know, you can go on the internet
and you can like be a TikTok person and I
respect all of that, but like that's never been my way.
I don't have the attention span for it. I've tried.
It makes me depressed. I've found all of this to say,

(25:25):
I lost my train of thought.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Again, you were going, No, you're you're brilliant. You're going
and you're going, you're just conversing. We're having a conversation.
Also to Jews with ADHD.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
That's how you actually have it.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
I do, but I'm like working on it in major
therapy every week.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
You do. And I've been like.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
You don't need therapy, you just need a man, And
I'm like, it's not that easy.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
If I had a nose job, maybe I get a man,
and I know where're.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Gonna get at your gorgeous and you can get a
noose job if you want. If that makes you feel good,
I love that for you. But you definitely don't need
a nose job. That's crazy. Also, you don't need a man. Also,
the only thing of those three that you need is therapy.
Therapy is so important. I'm in it too, It's so wonderful.
But also what I talk about with my therapist a
lot is like every time I go in, I'm like, Okay,

(26:10):
I think I'm making the leap. I think I'm going
to be medicated for it, especially because like there's such
a light being shown on it when I'm in an
interview and I'm like, oh, I don't know what I
was saying like this, we're.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Saying that the confidence though that I agree with you with,
oh yeah, thank you. That gives me confidence too. In general,
my mom will be like, as a joke, I don't
get this stand up comedy. You're not gonna go anywhere
with it. And I'm like, sometimes it's not about getting
famous and stand up for me, it's about the muscle
memory and exercise with acting so that when you are
exactly in an audition, you feel confident. If you get rejected,
you don't really care.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
It's kind of like this tough skin layer thing I
or maybe it's my armor that I'm building, looking.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Both of us with the fucking armor. But but it's
the sin. It's exhausting, you know, heavy, it is schlepping
around all this steel.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, just like I mean, I'm trying to I'm trying
to have my therapist. How can I not cry? She's like, Hi,
I can't do that for you.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
Well, also, crying is the best. That's the like, no,
crying is good. Crying is the best.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
It's like when we're acting tough like everything's okay, and
it's not okay. That's no. That was my whole life,
and now it's just like, oh we're crying at brunch. God,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Like I felt crazy watching her show being I would
like laugh so hard and then cry so hard, and
I'd be alone and I'd watch it over and over
and over, and I would not.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Answer calls, and I'm like, I just and I would
eat a lot and I wouldn't I mean, And I
would look at your character and be like, Wow, she's amazing.
There is hope in life for everyone.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
There is ome You're sweet.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, someone loves her, but I mean it no, But
like truly playing esther is just it's just you have
to be brilliant. I can't giggle, like what would you well,
how would you sum her up? Because you have more
more of the words that I.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Was gonna say is two things. I giggle that. Like
part of Kristen's character is her being nervous that she's
too much. She's not going to find someone if she's
too much. What am I I know? Rason Belle is
too much? What's Chanelle? What's Jackie? It's like we're over
here being like, well, I've adhd, I'm in therapy and

(28:12):
I need a nose job and that's too much. It's
like we are who we are. It just makes me
gil that's too much. And the second thing I wanted
to quickly come back to was yes, that point I
was making with stand up was simply help us. Interview
doesn't make people dizzy. But that yes, it gave me
the confidence to then step out and not be waiting
for the phone to ring. And it felt like, oh,
I can make my own things. I can call friends

(28:33):
and we can make content, or I can get on stage.
And I was able to sort of get this external
validation and work on my creativity and work on my
art and work on jokes and also something so silly
that is so obvious. When you're writing stand up and
doing stand up, you're laughing, so you're like in a

(28:55):
better mood. There's you're running jokes by friends, they're running
shit by you. You're at the clubs, people are doing
bits backstage. There's community. I mean, you just changed my
entire life.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
And now to circle back, what did I take medicine? No,
but I'm acting like it to what is Esther described
as really knock it down the pins right now?

Speaker 3 (29:14):
Wow, you're really this is full circle. Your mother would
be proud, would be proud.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
And when I watch this, I'm definitely gonna be like,
oh god, I was way too much.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
No, don't worry, we're gonna edit. We're gonna make you
look perfect.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Yeah, so why don't you know something you might want
to do is cut out everything I say, because that'll
be the literal only way I won't want to throw
my computer into a river. But yet I still do
the interviews. I talk too much, I'm too intense. And
then I watch the interview and I go, well, there
I am being myself.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
And I and we love that, and we love that
about you.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Sweet angel Esther is.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
A let me kind of said this, But she's a
great mother, and she's a great wife, and she's fiercely
loyal and she loves the people.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
That she and she's like a blunt force instrument of truth,
but she's also a blunt force instrument of loyalty and love.
So she sort of does everything the same. Like she
loves him as hard as she tells him to get
the fuck in the car right, and the second he

(30:22):
gets in the car, she's like, Hi, honey, what was that?
That was ridiculous? We're going like she doesn't keep yelling
at him. It's just like that's insane. You're not gonna
be and also to her not credit. But how else
is a woman going to act when they find out
that their husband has like a secret text chain with

(30:43):
her brother in law's new girlfriend's sister. If you want
to start drawing stick figures on that family tree. But like,
it's it's a lot. She's going through a lot. We
that's the conflict. Part of the conflict of the show
is she's managing all of these changes right now and

(31:05):
the expectation from her mother in law and how much
it's actually changing in her mind, messing up her life.
And then now because the ex is her best friend,
she's having to not like this girl. But god damn it,
she is liking.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Her right when you see them going to the basketball game.
And then she's to open up, which I'm not going
to give a lot away.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Clearly you can tell. I memorize it all.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I'm probably gonna memorize the lines after this because I
have no social life anyway. This is it's amazing how
you can tell, because I've been in those scenarios, whether
Jewish or not, I've been you know, mean girls or
girls just opening up, or someone coming into your crew.
What would your advice though, be, whether esther or Jackie
when somebody another woman is coming in and another woman

(31:49):
is not trying to break the relationship with you and
your best friend or best friend's ex.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
But like a lot of girls.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Were telling me, I love this show because Jackie and
Kristen Bell and all the these characters are speaking up
for women that want to say all this stuff but
can in real life. Like I had a same scenario
with my ex boyfriend in comedy, yet I can't talk
about it because God forbid I talk about it.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
It's taboo. I can ruin my relationships.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
So when I look at your characters, I'm like, Wow,
you're speaking for me, Like, not only as a Jewish woman,
You're speaking for me as a woman, You're speaking for
me as an artist.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
You're you know well, as a person.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
I think what's really exciting about the show too? For me?
I knew. I mean, if we counted how many times
we start sentences with as a Jewish woman, but here I, okay,
both of it, between the two of us, it's going
to be six seven thousand. But what I was going
to say is it's it's not just about that. So

(32:43):
when you're saying that it's all these things and it's
just it's speaking for Did you see Esther Perel, She
went on, she's like one of this amazing connection psychologists,
loves psychologists. I don't know what her actual title is,
but she's like one of the greatest brains and rights
all this incredible books. And she was talking about just
how beautiful it is to see people of a certain

(33:06):
age who thought that it was over for them, and
this rhetoric that we've all subscribed to that if you
don't find your life partner by the time you're twenty four,
you're a fucking spinster cat lady. And it's like this
show is undoing that the Morgan character is single, Oh,
the Rebecca character is single. Joanne character is obviously meeting

(33:28):
Noah now in her late thirties, and so we're sort
of telling a really current twenty twenty four love story
through the eyes of like a career driven, rad strong
businesswoman who's single, and that in twenty twenty four is
so many of us. So then you of course additionally

(33:49):
relate because of the Jewish aspect. But this piece, you're
speaking to that's like we are all The show is
not a cultural phenomenon because it's exclusionary and elitists. The
show is a cultural phenomenon because it's we didn't necessarily
know when we were making it, but it is speaking
to everyone.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm about to turn forty, the Big
four oh November. She was talking about that in one
of the scenes. It's like, yes, you're right, it's things
that it's phenomenal, how you all incorporated, whether you were
writing it, acting in it, these themes, Yes, that we
are all going through in society, and we don't want
to talk about it because whether we're ems right.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yes, But then on top of not wanting to talk
about it so societally, and you think we all think
we're the only one.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
The just as big piece of that is that I
think for a long time, maybe executives and people who
make who have the money to make television, we're maybe
thinking these aren't the stories people wanted to hear. They
want to see young love. They love the Kissing Booth,
which by the way, also great, but it's but it's young,
it's young. These other things, these other love stories that

(34:59):
were watching or young love and new love. And this
is a time where we said, let's take these two
incredible people and this isn't this is middle I mean
not midlife, but like you know, it's not young love
that where showing.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
It's adults. It's adulting.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Really yeah, and I love how you guys are all
with the message from what I took is like, being
authentically yourself is what's going to find you the love
and the real partnership, not faking it till you're making it.
I think that's kind of where the characters already talk about,
you know, we are who we are and this is
this is you know.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, by the time you're in your late thirties, you're cooked,
Like this is who I'm gonna be. Like I can
go to therapy and work on myself, but like this
is this is what it is.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Gang Yeah, I mean I say, call and coffee, I'm
gonna try my best in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
It's you know, I used to have an etiquette teacher
for so long.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
I had a New York coach.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
You did an accent coach.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
My mom was obsessed with it before even because I
was doing all this since I was young too. But
I also worked like I would Lindsay Lohan was like
my best friend growing up and I know a lot
of people don't. And I say that because she was
an actress also from young and we grew up on
Long Island. I would go on all the auditions with
her and stuff. But my mom was never into me
becoming in the enter entertainment industry, right. She wanted me
to be like a doctor or lawyer whatever, marry a

(36:16):
good Jewish guy. And when I would be around that,
I was like, oh, this is where this makes sense,
like acting and like doing it from when you're young,
you know what I mean? Like I felt like you
you're very similar to that you were doing it. Is
that something you wanted to do, Like you were like,
oh I love this.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, when I wanted to do it, and I waited
and I they made me wait till I was nine.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
Oh really, So that was a conversation. You're like, oh,
I'm not going to put you when you're four, right
because with her, her.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Mom's like what every minute of every day till I
turned the ripe old age of nine, I was like, huh,
how don take me away? I repeated the commercial perfectly.
Can someone put me on something?

Speaker 3 (36:59):
And what you want to act, Like who was your
an actress or.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
An actor personality? I was just and my mother, My
mother is so funny and like funny, funny, like John
River is funny, not like, oh, that's a funny that
old Jewish lady said something funny like kiss is funny.
And the other day my parents flew here, maybe a

(37:24):
month ago, and my dad was like, the flight attendant
was so good to me because he can't really walk,
and he's like, she was so good to me. In
the middle of a flight, she comes over to me.
She goes, let me give you a sandwich. She gave
me a mommy sandwiches. I had a ham and cheese
mommy at a turkey, giving me every detail I lived.

(37:47):
And he's like, she was so good to us. When
we got off the plane, I gave her a hug
and a kiss on her cheek. I said to her,
you made my day. You are a special lady. And
I said, Ma, did you hear that daddy gave her
a hug and a kiss on the cheek. Did you
get jealous? She goes jealous. I wish she got more familiar.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
You see, this is how we all. If I had
answered that with my ex I pretty much would have
kept that player in my hand till now, because that's
what guys don't. Yeah, it's the confidence in your mom,
like all right, go.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Ahead, go ahead, go ahead, get ahead. Is one of
her biggest ones. G apostrop vha D you want to
do it? Go ahead?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I gotta start, gotta start using that, which is, by
the way, the funniest opposite from Esther because Esther keeps her.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Man in the show by not doing that, right, isn't
that any ROI.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Is beyond my mom is like I never had a
curfew when I was a kid because my mom was like,
what are you gonna do? Stay out later than the
last person's curfew. You're gonna be alone? Like what are
you doing? Says a curfew? So just come home? What
so I mean? I don't know that there were all
the proper boundaries when I was a kid as far

(38:59):
as like I think that that stuff really helps you.
But then I also had the confidence that right when
I graduated from high school to be like moving to
LA and just wow, oh I was looked like a baby,
gross and undeveloped. I was like I was like screen
testing for like thirteen and fourteen year olds, and I
was like, eighteen.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
But you look younger. I mean you are young, but
you even look I thought you were like twenty six.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
No joke, oh one hundred and eighty one.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
I mean you look fantastic, fantastic, but you're still young.
I mean I don't like to you know what I'm saying, Like,
we're still young, We're still were young.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
We're healthy, we're very.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
We're healthy, thank god? And are they must be proud
of you? Like, so, how are they supportive?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Beyond? I called them about season two before I called you,
and my dad got so excited. He's like, let's go.
He knocked his glasses off his face, but they were
like sideways, but then he was like, didn't fix them,
and was like still so into it and cheering. And
I'm just like looking at the cutest man ever with
the biggest face in between his teeth, bald head gray beard,

(39:58):
just screaming, really cute.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
If your mom wasn't married to him. So sounds like
my type. That's how my ex look like.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Any I love fifty fifty five year old men and above.
I don't know what's wrong with me.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Clearly I had childhood issues or daddy issues, I like them.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
You a relationship with your dad growing up?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, which is weird, Like we were best friends, but
he traveled a lot for work, so I think it
was like the mystery man. So that's probably why I
go for bad boys. He's a great guy. He's now
in our life all the time. He can't leave my
mom's side because he's retired.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
So when the d doesn't work and you're retied and
you're not around, not just kidding.

Speaker 4 (40:33):
But.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I mean, but I think, I don't know. Were you
close with your dad? Do you feel like you had
a good relationship with men, like in.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
General, because like that the relationship esther has not to
bring it like too much. But that's kind of what
I want, Like this stable relationship where like your husband,
even if you fight, he loves you, he stays with you,
you build right, Like, I don't know, do you have
have you had issues dating?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
You know? It's interesting because like they don't even really fight,
like the only Yeah, she's yeah anyway a little bit,
but not really. I'm I'm such a serial monogamoust. I've
kind of always had a boyfriend. I have one now.

(41:18):
He's the best ever he.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
In the industry.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
He's an actor, writer, director, he's statised and he's amazing.
And yeah, we've been together for like three years.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
We met on Hinge Mazato. I heard it. Yeah, Hine
is good. It's a good actor from heaven.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
You know, I never really had Yeah, I mean, I've
been very single many times in my life, so obviously
in those times, I'm always like, you know, you're always
asking your girlfriends, like because you're sort of feel like
you're recycling the pool. You're like, I've met who have
I not met that any of Like that's in proximity. Yep,

(41:56):
I know it is. You're just like, so, okay, I
know the pool, I've met. I've met at the pool.
I swam with the members of the pool club and
they weren't it. So yeah, it's nice.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
What are your tips?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
We always asked on Chenalosity, like dating, especially since your
career woman, what are tips to date properly? I guess,
or keep the guy or you know, not let it
get involved, not let work get in the way of
your relationship.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
I mean, this is such a trite answer, but the
answer to everything always is communication because if it's like
I was really anxious yesterday and I had a great day,
and my boyfriend sat down and he was like, I'm
just trying to help you figure out is there a way,
Like is there a time like at five o'clock you

(42:42):
put away your phone? And I was like, I wish
that my brain worked like that. But instead of him
being sitting here and stewing and being like Jesus, she's
anxious about this thing and this article headline is wrong
or whatever in this and that, and she's on the
phone saying to me, maybe we put like a timer

(43:03):
on that, maybe we don't bring that into the house.
And so like if we're gonna watch a movie at
seven o'clock, we're not on the phone anymore responding to
dms or this or that. Maybe we're just And that
to me makes me want to cry. But that, to
me is so powerful because a lot of the time
I think I've been in relationships, and unfortunately, I think
men aren't taught this, and that's the problem. But men

(43:27):
love to use the phrase that they pick their battles,
but they're not really picking their battles. They're just doing
ninety percent of them in their head. And resenting you
for it. So that's a battle. You've already done that battle,
you just haven't said it out loud to me. Yeah,
that's not picking a battle, my guy. That's literally learning
how to rot your relationship from the inside. Because if
you just said to me, babe, that's annoying, I don't

(43:48):
you're bringing that into the house and like you want
to breathe or what can we do to make you
feel better? But blah blah blah. Let's have a conversation
about it as opposed to and I do the same
thing with him. This isn't just like a one way thing.
I'm like, Okay, I see that you feel that way.
What can we do to mitigate that? But we do.
You know, we're each in our own individual therapy, and
I think that's really helpful too, because you have a

(44:13):
place to vent to someone outside of the relationship and
so you're not just like bring all your shit into
the house because I think this is a run on
as fuck. But I think a big thing in relationships
is we're sort of like, well, you're my partner. You
have to listen to every single qualm I have. And
it's like, well, if you again, if you want to
rock the relationship from the inside out, like you know,

(44:35):
you have to, you know, sort of pick and choose.
If the problem is with that person, sure of course
you communicate it to them.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
But I love that those are great. That's a great answer.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
We have to communicate and then pick guys that want
to communicate, not partners that are avoidant, which I tend
to go for. But in therapy, I'm realizing, Okay, I
go for these kind of guys. I have to stop
and I have to communicate with the right partner. That's
what everyone needs to do.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
I think a therapist once told me, because I was
picked and continually, he was like, you know, sometimes a
tell is when a woman keeps picking unavailable partners, she
herself is a is a commitment phobe.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I've heard that too, and I agree.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
I'm like, I want all these things, but like I'm
picking up Peter pan syndrome. Ass dude who's like whatever age,
making six hundred dollars a weekend at the chocolate Hut,
fucking whoever he wants, Babe, No, what's going on. I'm
nailing my own past, is what I'm doing. And so
it's like you at a certain point you like have

(45:39):
to make a different decision you just like my therapist
used to tell me my picker was broken, Like I
would be like that one. And it's like, literally, if
you're saying that one, take a breath, think about it,
and like, honestly, just based on the fact that you said,
maybe that one, maybe not that.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
One, right, that's what I am thinking now. I like
that at the best advice to the work.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, I mean it's scary advice because obviously for some
people that could be like if you I know my
instincts and if I see a person that I feel
I gell with, like what am I gonna do force
myself to jael with someone I don't like? So that's
hard to do.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
That's hard to but sometimes keeping an open mind, like
when I have in the past, I've found guys that
are nice guys that I like, you know, and that's
on their prerogative if they don't want to stay fine,
but at least right it's kind of like also bringing
it back to the Noah character, which is Adam Brodie
on the show, like he's such a good guy and
she even says he's not the guy that I would
normally go for because he's so nice. But because of

(46:38):
the open mind that I think she was in a
she was probably in a point in her life where
she was ready to pick the nice guy because she
was always going for the bad guys right.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
And also though they say I'm gonna I'm gonna batch
the phrase, but it's like the right you can't fuck
it up with the right one. I've been hearing never
that phrases and it's like that is the of it all.
Like when I have just you know, body strong friend
female friends and as both stand ups. So many of

(47:08):
my female friends go through this, and I think it
is really hard because a lot of the time you
do find that men want to be the funny, shiny,
charismatic one in the relationship and the patriarchy and mom
blah blah blah blah blah. But I think we're hopefully
growing out of that. And I also think you really

(47:28):
grow out of that as you get older, because men
are sort of like finding adult grown ass men. I
think it's hot if you're a cool, strong woman who
has a job. They're not like, wait a minute, that
immediately makes my dick small.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Correct, you're right, They're like more turned on by it like, oh,
now she can pay for my shit.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Okay, oh let's go.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I mean, we're not trying to be a sugar mama,
but we get right right.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Well, that's what I also ask about you, And not
to get into too many details because it's private, but
with your relationship, since he's in the business, are you
guys very supportive of one another? Like, because a lot
of times people come to me and they're like, my
significant other is a comic, but he doesn't support me.
My significant other is an executive producer, but he doesn't
put me up for the role. I've already kind of
made my peace with all that because you want to
just make it on your own. But that does affect

(48:14):
a relationship, right, like in some way.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I mean in our relationship. The only way it's manifested
thus far is in a supportive way. Because like I
taped him the other day for some audition. He's such
a good actor and and I was crying because he
was so good in the scene and it was an
emotional scene, and it's like, imagine how hard that would

(48:39):
be for him to be either a finding someone to
run the scene with him or do the scene with him,
or having to pay to do it. But since we're
both actors, we go to the garage, We set up
the lights, we set up the computer, we have the stand,
We do our takes with each other. He taped He's
the other voice on my nobody wants this tape. I'm
the other voice on the on his tape for when
he gets his jobs. And so it's like in our relationship,

(49:04):
it's really been very special. And also to our point
before of like not waiting for the phone to ring.
You know, he just finished his third short film then
he wrote, directed, and starred in, and so.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
He outs of do you think you guys will create
something together because you're a writer as well.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
No, maybe, but also I kind of don't, but also
love that. And if like if he says to me,
but if he says to me like, it's not like
I'm over here angling to be in his stuff or
angling to put him it's just like, I mean, he's great.
So if I ever make I have a movie idea,
and if I ever make the movie, and I'd probably
want him in it because he's great and I know
what he's capable of. But like it, we're not we're

(49:41):
not clamoring to like sit down and write something together.
He's writing his things, I'm writing my things. It's separate.
We come home. It's like, I don't think that's it's
not on the docket. But I'm not saying it's impossible.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
I love that.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Maybe you never know, you might see a cameo from
him or you on both of your honestly power couple. Yeah,
we'll wrap up soon. I was, I know you probably
have to get to things. I did want to ask you, uh,
I guess what was your favorite scene filming with as
esther or in the show in general?

Speaker 4 (50:15):
I think, I mean, there were so many, but one
of my favorites, just because I was like so hoping
we'd get there with her, was I love the episode
where Tim is like holding the sock in front of
his junk and it's just so real and I'm like,

(50:35):
would you get away from me with this?

Speaker 1 (50:37):
What do you think? Like get away? And it's so cute,
And then she comes home later she's a little buzzed.
They love each other, and then like she's pulling. I
just love I was excited to get to the softness
of her and excited to show that they love each
other and they have a great relationship, and yeah, she
got pissed that he was literally on a double date.

(50:59):
Who wouldn't be right, I mean, not that they would
act out like that, but you know, maybe they would
all of this to say. I think that was one
of my favorite. I also love the scene with my
daughter with Miriam in the bathroom with cutting the dress.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
I love that scene too. It's so real and it's
so cute. And I cried.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
I cried and then I laughed. That's when I was like,
I'm the joker. I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
That's how I felt.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
I said, something is going neurologically, and then I called
my neurologist and he's like, you gotta stop calling me
after every show you watch them? Okay, He's like, it's
called feelings. He's like, Chanel, it's called yea have feelings,
Like oh my god, because you know when a show
moves you like that, you're like, yeah, you're like, what's
going on with is it?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
I remember I had a boyfriend years ago who called
me out for something like that, Like I was really
deeply crying about something and then I was cackling and
he was like pointing out to me, like not in
a kind way. Either, I like, do you know that?
Like you were just crying and now you're laughing, and
it's like, I do I do know that? That's those
are the things that happened. Do you think I blacked out? No,

(52:06):
I experienced it. I was here.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
You're like, it's also called acting. I have to like.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Talking it though, But why wasn't acting? It was just
in life?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
How did it feel to work with Adam Brody? Everyone
wants to know? Of course.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
He's such I was just gonna say, such a is.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
He Jewish in real life? Yes? Yeah, that's what I think. Okay,
because sometimes you don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Of course, No, you could always ask my mother. She
knows everyone who's Jewish. Paula Abdul. Did you know Paula Abdul? Yes?
I knew Paula.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
And then my mom's like, but the last name, I
don't know if it's Jewish. I'm like, ma, come on,
you know that we've all fled from the Inquisition and
we had to change our name here here to change name.
My last name sounds it is. It's Arab, it's not,
and where Israeli Jews? But it's Arab?

Speaker 3 (52:49):
You know? So my dad is a whole story.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
My grandfather fled Iran, Iraq, I mean multiple countries.

Speaker 3 (52:55):
To get here. But you know, besides that, my mom was.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Born in France, but not because they were French, because
they were running, and her sister was born in Czech A.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
You gotta talk about that in your stand up when
you do.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
And by the way, when we're offline, I'm going to
hire you to headline an amazing show coming out.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I'll email you.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
You're perfect in New York if you can when you
get here, or we can come around so we could
schedule around you, but we specifically I had you in
mind to headline.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
We do a show for City Harvest.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
It's paid, but it's called Funny Women obviously because it's
all about like we always book like the funniest women,
and we don't have a lot of that in New
York because it's a male dominant industry. So anyway, I'll
talk to you about it, but I would love for
you to headline it. It's yeah, you would be amazing, amazing.
I don't mind working scheduling.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
It around you.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
By the way, Oh that you got to talk about,
please talk, I mean, I don't mean the pressure me. Yeah,
I'll email you everything, and then that way you could.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Be like, hey, we'll schedule it around this or that.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Much.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
How much time do I have with you? By the way,
we were gonna wrap up in ten minutes. I just
needed you to do promos, like, hey, this is Jackie Tone.
You're listening to me on channel in the city.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
When we when you stop recording till I tell you something.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Okay, Okay, I mean, I mean we're well, can we
be best friends because I'm moving to a.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Yes, be some incendiary bullshit. Oh I okay, yes, better
better I didn't look at my phone, but yeah, no,
we have a couple of minutes and let's do promos
and then I am gonna have to jump because I yeah,
and then you'll let me know everyone's the show just
got picked up. I hav't spoken to my agent, and
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
And I wanted to, like I literally because I'm emotional
for you, Like I really am so happy for you.
I love this show. I love you so much. And
I was like, they better be a season two where.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I'll fucking go Coco Loco. There won't be a Tornado
called Coco ass Loco because there's not that many good
shows on and so this is a great show. You know,
when the the great shows are on and then they
don't renew it for whatever reason for second season.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
You're like you dumbasses, Like why did you?

Speaker 1 (55:05):
I was saying, like you can't count your chickens, Like
everyone's been responding really well, and.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
I've been are you getting booked more too, by the way,
like I'm sure like now it's like, oh my god,
I know why.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Both like stand up.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
As far as Danda by, I've sort of I mean,
i'd taken a break because I was doing the show
and then other stuff and I was I wasn't I
wasn't like feeling my old material and I feel like
I covid. I took a big break and then so
I'm sort of I'm coming back. Now.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
You need to have your own Netflix special. I'm putting
that out there. It's happening. You're having your own You're
having your own Netflix special because you're hilarious and you're
more I'm not gonna be shady, but I rather invest
in you than other comics, and I think you can
bring a lot to the world and relatability and I'm
just like gonna be there to cheer you on and yeah,
you're having a Netflix.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Thank you, Chris.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
I'm the Chris Jenner in your life. Yeah, having a
net instead of five. I haven't a Netflix special.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
But I also just love that you just make Chris
Jenner your Jewish mom.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
I need to because she's what. It motivates me, you know,
as much as people hate her. I'm like, you know what,
because people, you know, comics will ask me, how do
you do this? How do you get to this? How
do you interview this eleven? It's like I have to
have that Chris Jenner voice in me. What do you
think of this? Is you think?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I'm just you know, it's very hard, like like what
motivates you to get out of bed?

Speaker 3 (56:28):
To be like.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Today, I don't care what is going on, I'm doing this.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
I have always had an absolutely out of this world
internal combustion engine inside me. Not a day of my
life have I considered doing something else. And that's the
point I was making earlier about going on Dexa's pod,
where it's like that's scary and also admirable, but it's

(56:57):
like it's sort of only admirable if it happens for you,
because otherwise it's like should you take a left turn
into you know, therapy, real estate, whatever the other things
I've thought about, because it's like, you know, it's this
is it. I have the motivation I am. I am
a fiercely ambitious, motivated person. I always have been. I've

(57:19):
always been like not really definitely not a networky person.
And I think that's part of it. Like I've just
been like I've just been doing the thing forever and
just hoping that at some point people like turned their
heads and was like, what's what's that Jewish girl screaming about?
And then that finally happened, and then all.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Number one and haud on number two that was what
they believed. Say, you know, I saw you're not authentically
in love with you your boyfriend a's competition. Don't worry,
I'm straight any you're like anyway. But that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
that's what I was going to ask you to a
lot of people say, should you ask for things in
this industry? Is that aggressive? Is that too much? I

(58:02):
mean have you been an ask forever?

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Not really? No, maybe to a fault, Like something has
to be so me for me to like email my
agent and be like, hey, what's going on with this.
You know, it's just I'm not definitely not a person
who's like hitting up my people all the time and
being like herd this is being made. I heard, this
is being made, and I think that works really well
for some people. It also really backfires. It's never been

(58:27):
my jam, and I think speaking to what we said
earlier about doing so much stand up was like that
was sort of my I was making myself crazy seeing
these things on TV and being like Pitch Perfect is
a good example. I was, I mean a singer my
whole life. I wasn't. I'm the right age to have
been in that and to have at least auditioned that

(58:48):
completely came and went without me even touching it. No,
I wasn't even near the auditions for that, And there's
so many things like that, and that's been my entire
career where it's like ah, man, not that I would
have booked it, of course, not that I would have
booked it, but that I wasn't even in the mix
of people being given the opportunities. And I think that's

(59:11):
what we want most in this business, because like I
was gonna give you anything, but if you're not even
in the mix, of the people who could potentially even
present themselves to the people making the decisions. That's a
tough place to be, and it's a very commonplace to be,
unfortunately for so many actors or for me. For most

(59:32):
of my career. I mean, I got to auditions for
jobs I booked because my agent. I used to have
an agent. She's the best, Aggie Gold at Fresh Faces
Agency in Baldwoo, Long Island. I used to thank you. Oh.
She used to tell people. She used to call people
and say, I have this kid, I was like twelve
or thirteen. She's a star if and you should meet

(59:53):
her for this and if you disagree with me and
she doesn't knock your socks off, you'll never hear from
me again.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Would help people.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
She would stick her neck out like that. And then also,
I mean I didn't learn until being in therapy many
years later that how much pressure that must have been
for me as a kid. And I don't clop. I
didn't clock it as that. I didn't feel that. I
was just like, what are we doing. We're doing jazz shoes,
were doing tap shoes. We bring in the karaoke machine,
we bring in the mic, we're doing the song we're
doing Rent? What are we doing? We got jokes? What
do they want to see? Like, that's just it's like

(01:00:23):
a Lady Gaga before she was famous energy. It's just
like rent an ice cream truck and sing standing on
top of it in a leotard. Outside of music festival,
you didn't get into like, Okay, what are we doing?
Like let's just we have to do the different things.
And they're kind of looked like if Gaga never made it,
that would be the most people would be like, yuh, cringe.
But she did, and so it's like, oh my god,

(01:00:43):
did you hear this great thing she did? Like did
people think it was great when it was happening? Did
people think it was great when I carried a boombox
with a rent instrumental CD into the lobby of a
Double Tree and saying for an executive right, that happened?

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
That happened.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
I mean, I believe it right, Like people don't understand
it until it's like almost like until you're successful and
labeled school or whatever, and you've been going through this
all this stuff like your whole.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
Life thirty something years.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah wow, and then I'm sitting here bitching and complaining
and it's like, no, that's why you're inspiring though these interviews.
These it's inspiring to know that you know that you
you have to work at it if you want to.
Dreams don't come true unless you work at it. It's
not like, hey, I'm gonna be on a stage tomorrow.
Invest in me like all these twenty five year olds
with crop tops. But I'm not gonna get into Okay, okay,

(01:01:34):
I love how Jackie's like, this interview's about Chanel venting
about shady shit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Oh are you joking? I am? I am such the
like you can't call me if you don't want to
get worked up, don't tell me about shit because I'm
not the friend that's gonna like offer the other side
of like, oh well did you think about where they
were coming from? I'm like, oh no, no, fuck that,
Like I get I get way too mad.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
So you do have esther in you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Baby, baby, you're like because you know how some actors
will say like I don't have any of that person
in me. Sometimes I don't understand when they say that,
but like, do you think everyone has like something in them?
Like as an asked you, like, are you worried about
getting type casted because we had a listener ask they
send questions for you. It's like, are you worried about that?
But then now that you're talking to me, it's like,

(01:02:24):
are you though you can do everything?

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
You can do anything?

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Well? I look at like Susie Esman on Curb, Yes,
and for a Fran dresser, Yeah, certain people are very
specific people, so they're not going to get type cast necessarily,
but they're also probably not going to play They're probably
not gonna be on Bridgerton, right, you know what I'm saying.
It's like me and Fran and Susie Esmond are probably

(01:02:48):
not going to be on Bridgerton, but we're also I'm
not going to play this the exact same thing every time.
I mean I've played.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Myriad glow, Yeah, Glow. You've been different too.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
I mean I did yeah when I was younger. I
played this like really wild southern alcoholic gal on a
couple episodes of some TNT show. And I just I
love getting in there and getting in the weeds and
doing a character. And but yeah, like what comes most
naturally to me is like being a fun, yappy jew.

(01:03:19):
But I love it all.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
I love that for you. Can you tell us any
actresses or actors growing up that you looked up to
or someone you'd want to work with?

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Now where do I begin? Well, my hero has for
decades and decades and decades always been Joan Rivers. Yes,
I just I love the greats. I mean, of course,
I love fran I love Sarah Silverman.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
I would love to see you in the Joan Not
to interrupt, but the Joan Rivers movie when they make it,
either you being her or Melissa Rivers, you'd you'd be
great for that Joan biopic.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Pitch myself.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Oh she's amazing, That's amazing, That's an amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
But yeah, I mean I think it's basically it's just
it's the classic answers. I mean, of course, it's skilled
a Radner, It's it's Joan and Sarah, and there's so
many amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
I would love to see you on Saturday Night Live.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
I'd love to host.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Oh my god, you are hosting? Do you love how
A'm manifesting like it's happening? Because I see it. I
see it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I was a kid I wanted to be on the show.
I was like a character's person, and I am as
I I don't think I want to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
Yeah, because you're good at impressions and stuff, but hosting
the show. Now you can host the show. That would
be incredible. And then you can come with me to
the after after party. When you're in New York, they
have like these private after crazym.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
You're like, yes, have you been with caffeine that I'm
gonna need?

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Have you been to one yet?

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I have? I'm friends with Melissaeusennor and she was on
the show and we went. I came, I went and
saw her on the show and she's fabulous, and then
we went to either an after or a double after.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
It was insane, right, and you have to like stay
up and that's amazing though.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I love anything anything you want to share with us
before we wrap up, like anything you want to work
on that you feel like is coming out or things
that are coming out beside season two, which is incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
I think we nailed it. I would just say, follow
me on Instagram?

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Where can they follow you?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Follow me at Jackie Tone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
T O h N and you yes, and you should.
You're a star.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I'm just this is not me kissing her about But
I love you and I think You're an amazing person.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
And when I see talent.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Like you, I'm like, Wow, this is who we should
be watching, investing in. I'm looking forward to things that
you're going to be in. I really feel connected to you.
I think we're going to be great friends.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Probably I'm going to be like the girl that like
shows up and you're going to be like to your boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
We just had one interview.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
I'm going to be mouthing to him. Find out her name.
You know when you do that and you're like, oh
my god, hi name it's now Omari from Long Island.
We know what I do. I tell people my name
all the time, and people are always not always annoyed,
but they're like I know. I'm like okay, but I
hate when I don't know someone's name. So I'm always

(01:06:06):
like Jackie and they're like, yeah, I know. I'm like, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:06:09):
Do people feel intimidated when they watch you though as
esther on the show and then they're like I think
she's scary or no, have you gotten that yet?

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
I didn't hear what you said because the Literal Globe
Girl's text threat just exploded and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
I was like, you have to enjoy your success.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I do. I do have to go in a minute.
But tell me what you said?

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
Uh, oh, my god? How did I forget? I'm having Alzheimer's,
got forbid at an early age.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
But the God forbid of the knock. I do the THEO.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
This is the Jewish? This is it? Touch you myself?

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
And then my mom goes, why are you twitching? It's
your fault. It's your fault, ma, because that's what you do.
You made me neurotic, your fault.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
But what was it saying the uh? God, that was good?
What was it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
We can create. We nailed it. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
One tip for success in life might it might be repetitive,
but I guess in anything you do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
I think a pretty sound tip is especially for your
career and especially for the entertainment business, but I think
it branches into all careers, and it's make something for yourself.
You'd be surprised at how many people will show up,
and how many people want to help you, and how

(01:07:29):
many people think that's a cool idea. And if you
think about how many times you've done it for other people,
you can't wait to show up when your friend's like, hey,
I'm making a short, or I'm doing a music video,
or I thought of this idea. Can we shoot something? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
One last thing you want to say about the show?
Where can everybody tune in to it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Yeah? Just watch Nobody wants this on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Now binge it. It's amazing and they can follow you
all of our social media. We're gonna put the Cairons on.
Oh you were saying about the tip for success. I'm sorry, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
I think it's for success. But I finished it, so
I think you got it. But I think the tip
for success is to make your own things and just
be creative. I know it's really hard in the face
of ibe not getting the opportunities that you want. But
and even if that being creative and making your own
thing is doing stand up or whatever it is, Yeah,

(01:08:21):
I think the waiting for other people to give you
opportunity in this business is really it's a trap. We
got to just be out there being creative for ourselves,
and I guess try not to be results results oriented.
It's hard. I know, it's all hard, and it could
feel trite if you're in a particular place, but it's

(01:08:42):
certainly what happened for me. Like I was just mad
most of the time, and no one's helping me, and
no one's giving me opportunities. And then I got out
doing stand up more and got a manager who was like, wait,
that got jfl got blah blah blah. So it's like
and this was all before glow. So yeah, my advice.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I love that, and I love you. Thank you for
being here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Thank you for tuning in. Also one place for Chanela
and the city audience. What would you suggest in LA
that we visit something that you love, like a restaurant
or somewhere you you don't like to escape to.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
We always ask our guests that, h.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
I don't want to give my secret away. I would say,
if you need an escape, there's really good thrifting in Azusa.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
You love thrifting. I did read that. Okay, I love
it too.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
That's cool thrifting. I mean it's a slap, but it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
It's like old school real thrift stores, Like it's not,
oh that's cool. Yeah, it's like, it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I'm wishing you such a big mazeleto of Jackie. You're
an amazing person. I love that we have a friendship
now and hopefully we could get to work together