KRYSTYNA HUTCHINSON chats Guys We F'cked, Ghosts & Aliens and how to be your authentic self!

Krystna Hutchinson, Star of The Guys We Fckd Podcast, Stand up Comedian and Actress, stops by Chanel in the City Podcast to chat with host, Chanel Omari on all things stand up comedy, Guys We Fcked Podcast and the inspiration behind it, How to be your authentic self when it comes to comedy and podcasting and life.

Krystna chats about her background and how it wasnt always so easy for her to make it in comedy and entertainemnt. She speaks about her obstacles with anxiety and how she copes with mental health today.


For more information please follow @krystnahutchinson @guyswefucked podcast for more!

Episode Transcript

(00:05):
Hey, everyone, Welcome back toanother episode of Chanel in the City on
iHeartRadio. I'm your host, ShanellaA. Mari and I have a very
special guest here today, actually oneof my favorite people in the world.
She's gonna be like, what thefuck is going on with you, but
one of my favorite people in theworld. You know her from a very
popular podcast we all listen to,Guys We Fucked. And you can join
her Patreon, which is really cool. She is offering group therapy, which

(00:27):
is what we all need. Okay, go to her Patreon. Christina Hutchinson.
She's a writer, she's a producer, she's a hilarious stand up comic.
You can catch her all over theworld but also in New York City,
which is really cool. And she'san actress. Yeah, a very
fantastic one, which we're gonna getinto your independent films, which I love.
Thank you. And we have amutual friend in common, Dennis who

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Oh yes, I love Dennis.Oh my god, he's so sweet.
He's so sweet and nice. People. Kindness really goes a long way.
I love and you're very kind,You're very beautiful, You're very cool,
and I'm like, oh my god, she's in my presence. How are
you so normal? Oh, I'vebeen through a lot of shit. That's
what I wanted to die so manytimes. Really, Yeah, I'm not
allow you. Depression grounds you tumbling. Okay, So please welcome our guest,

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our favorite Christina Hutchinson, which Ijust learned is an Ashkenazi Jewish woman.
Yes, a Jewish woman like me, which is so cool, you
know, to like just have fellowJewish sisters in the room book. Yah,
you know we don't talk about ita lot, Yeah, because there's
been a lot, But talk tous a little bit. Like, I
love how you said kindness because Iknow I told you, like, thank
you so much for being kind tome. You've been one of the like,

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not only inspirational women in my lifein comedy and acting, but also
you're the same way on and offstage, and I really appreciate the genuineness.
Yeah, talk to us about howyou got there. I think being
raised in an environment that was superchaotic and stressful and not allowing myself to
see that it was super chaotic andstressful until like five years ago, and

(01:56):
then like the volcano bursts of likethe illusion that I were spends most of
my energy and keeping up and thenyou I personally had a year of just
the only way I can describe itas being violently suicidal, like really upset.
But I knew enough about childhood traumaand stuff that and I was in
therapy like three times a week.It was it was like all hands on

(02:20):
duck situation and so understanding that Iwas just releasing energy that I wouldn't allow
myself to feel, like feelings youwon't allow yourself to feel, and and
it's so humbling. It's a veryhumbling experience. I wouldn'tish it upon anybody.
However, if you have things toget out, you got you gotta
get it out right or otherwise you'rejust gonna explode one day or just not

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live a life that's genuine and whatNo, you can't. You can't be
doing that. No, we gotto be free, That's what I would
say, right, genuine miss equalsfreedom, right yeah, and being authentic
and enjoying being authentically yourself. Soyeah, so that that's what did it.
You're like, bitch, I wentthrough a lie. It wasn't easy
because you know, here's the thingyou do a popular podcast, which which

(03:02):
is I call it in the Kardashianwhere language our Bible. Oh that's very
sweet. I was like the Bible. You mean the Jewish Bible. But
you know what I mean, Likewe've all listened. We all listen to
it. It's inspired us in alot of ways. It makes us feel
less alone. You do it withKaren Fisher. Shout out to Karen Fisher.
We love you, comedy partner,Yes, love her you guys.
I think what I've been inspired byis yes, you talk about really hard

(03:23):
things that we all don't want totalk about, but you say it in
a way where like, hey,I've been there too, Like yeah,
is that so talk to us alittle bit, Like and you've been around
for a long time. I meanthis podcast has been it was eleven years,
Like holy shit, eleven we've notmissed one Friday and eleven years.
That's consistency, baby, that's whatit is. I need to be more

(03:44):
consistent. And that's why I'm likeadmitting, you know, you got to
confront your flaws and like, getit's too so it's so hard. I've
I hid my flaws for myself fora long as time, and then shit
comes crumbling down and you just can'thelp but face it where like people are
mad at you, or like yeaheveryone, You're like your friends that everybody's
mad at you, and then youend up attracting that and you're like,
oh my god, everybody actually ismad at me. I want to fucking
die. And then you think it'shigh school. You're like, they don't

(04:05):
want to play with me anymore.I'm like, you're eight years old,
Oh yeah, I mean being Ithink most people have experienced being bullied as
a kid. I certainly did.I was bullied by my parents. I
don't think they intended to, butI thought if we took it that way,
I certainly fucking took it that way. It was a sensitive little gal,
and yeah, that shit stays withyou, man, and you gotta

(04:26):
you gotta purge it. You gottapurge it. What made you, I
guess start the podcast, like whatdid you feel? Fine? There was?
Okay? So Guinn and I havebeen comedy partners for a couple of
years. At that point, wehad been doing stand up for maybe two
years, and we just had allthese ideas together. So we would have
like a show, we would havea monthly show. We would do videos
and she said, I feel likewe should podcast where we interview guys we

(04:47):
fucked, and we'll just like tolearn about ourselves and we'll just call it
guys we fucked. And I waslike, yeah, and then I added
the anti slutshaming podcast tagline to it, and yeah, just took off kind
of right away, which was reallyI didn't I didn't listen to podcasts.
The two podcasts I listened to atthat time where Mark Maren's and Dan Savage,

(05:08):
which I still listened to. Ifucking love that man, right right,
I love him. I think youcan't run out of sexual topics to
talk about, and people just comeup with the weirdest people just have really
interesting lives. So so yeah,at the time, we just didn't think
anybody was gonna listen, not ina negative way, but like I would
just be ourselves. Who you know, what do we got to lose?
And then it got big, reallybig, and we started getting recognized in

(05:30):
the city from a podcast. Therewas no video, and I was like,
this is the coolest thing. Peoplewould stop you right in the city,
the coolest shit. I've never forget. The first time we were stopped,
we were we met up this womanwho wanted who worked at a production
company. Maybe it was like sixmonths into the podcast or maybe a year,
maybe a little under, and wemet her and she wanted to do
TV. All these people wanted todo TV shows with us right away,

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And my fucking ego was like,oh my god, all my dreams are
going true, which you know istrue, but you know, TV is
hard to TV get on the air. But yeah, and then we went
to the bathroom and came down andthis girl was like, oh my god,
are you currenta Christina. I'm likeyeah, They're like I love your
podcast really coo. And she leftand we looked at each other and we
were like, holy shit, Likeit was so cool to be to connect

(06:15):
with people, and it's cool whenyour art is being yourself. Yes,
that's shit, man. I loveacting. I got a bfan acting.
I love stepping into other characters.It's a passion that will never leave me.
But it's really cool to be respectedby being who you are. So
yeah, that's a gift, man, I mean, that's it's because like,
so, I did a reality showon Bravo was called Princesses of Long

(06:35):
Island. I don't know you everheard that some fucking showing hilarious, and
I would hear your I would listento your podcast after and be like,
oh my god, like you're right, there is something to being an actress
because I've always wanted to be anactor and a stand up comedian. But
I had this opportunity to be areality TV star, So I was like,
am I gonna not take it exactly? Yeah? Am I not going
to be myself? And obviously,like on TV or I always say they

(06:57):
know twenty percent of you, noteighty percent. Yeah, And I would
listen to you as I am like, I want to be like these girls.
They're fucking cool and they're authentic.I don't want to be like in
a green scheming like am I Ican't believe she fucking yeah, I can't
believe I'm from Long Island, eventhough you know. I was more like
the comedic relief and they do pickcomics. But it's interesting. It's true.
It's like when you get recognized.I got recognized, but it wasn't
like am I getting recognized for myself? Or am I getting recognized for the

(07:19):
hype? And I think once you'rein it, like the podcasting where you're
changing people's lives and minds. It'scool. It's another different level. It's
a different level. Did you think, like before you did it, where
you like nervous is this going toimpact people or not? Like now,
I wasn't nervous about that. Iwas. I was not nervous about that.
I was very excited to talk aboutthings that I didn't understand yet,

(07:41):
like to talk things out. Andalso, you know, we did start
the podcast off interviewing a guy oneof us as fucked, so we wouldn't
have had these conversations with these guys. I would have gone to the grave
with that talking to half of thosepeople that were on right. So it
was really cool. It was likea social experiment. So I liked that.
Did you get closure you feel too, from these men some of them
some of yeah, yeah I didactually one of them, one of them,

(08:03):
I really did. And that wasreally beautiful. And I've had you
know, it's just you you.I Karinn is somebody who's always known who
she was since Jump and and everyI've witnessed over the years of working with
her. She's one of my bestfriends. I mean, I know her
very well. I witnessed I watchpeople misunderstand her all the time on the
internet. In person, she's it'sweird people really misunderstand her on a level

(08:26):
that it's I mean, I'm sureit's not funny to her. It's probably
very frustrating, but like like whatthe fuck? But like for me,
she's always known who she was.I thought I knew who I was,
and then it just unraveled on thepodcast. It the podcast turned out to
be like this kind of reality typeof thing, this element, because the
thing I was most nervous about whenwe first started was my mom finding out

(08:48):
the name of the show. Wow, she's gonna be so disappointed in me.
She's gonna be, oh my god, so crap. But I knew
I believed in the show. Ithought it was funny. I thought it
was important conversation. I thought thisis great. But I was so I
was such a slave to my mother'sopinion of me up until not that long
ago, that I lived in fearconstantly that she was going to find out

(09:11):
the name of the show. No, I'm happy you're saying that, because
it is. It's a fear withwhatever I stand up comedy my mom.
Still, I feel like you're right, your slave to their opinion. Yeah,
I know you wanted your mom.Gram was never liked that with her
parents, and her mom listened tothe podcast in drump She's one of the
biggest, our biggest fands. Shelistens to every episode. She loves it.
And I'm like, okay, soit is possible for a mother to

(09:33):
appreciate their child's work, even ifmaybe that's not the choice of wording.
And then it really made me.I interviewed my mom on the podcast I
and I don't speak to either ofmy parents anymore. I cut the bails
out of my life. No wait, oh, even now, so you're
yeah, so that's the hardest oneI say I've learned in front of people
like which is at first it feltreally embarrassing. But at the same but

(09:56):
then I realized, we're all it'swhat we're all doing. It's just mostly
not in front of people exactly.But I'm like, everything I say is
I genuinely mean it. And thenif I say something that I regret or
made a mistake, I go,oh shit, I shouldn't have done that,
and I and you pall or whateveryou talk it out. But yeah,
I was So I was in thisposition where I thought my parents were
like the best thing. Since Ithought they were the greatest people on earth.

(10:18):
If anybody said anything negative about them, I would get angry with them.
Like it was I was pretty Yeah, it was really kind of like,
what's that syndrome where you get kidnappedand you love your kidnapper? Stockhall
stop the ripe syndrome. That's theclosest I can describe it. It makes
sense. And then I realized,oh, wow, you Like people in

(10:39):
my life would point out to melike what the fuck is up with you
and her mom, like this isa weird relationship, And I'm like,
what do you mean? And theneventually I was like I allowed myself to
understand that I was extremely stressed outby my relationship with my parents, and
then I started being kind of meanto them because I got angry but I
didn't know how to communicate it,and yeah, and then it kind of

(11:01):
blew up and I've cut them out, and it's wow, do you ever
feel guilt? So the guilt,right, Oh, the guilt. The
first year, I was just like, I'm the worst person in the world
and the worst daughter. My momis mental illness, and like, I
really love and respect my parents,both of them. I'm also very hurt
by them, yea. And soit's weird, like one of the things

(11:22):
with trauma brain is black or whitethinking, which is very much like a
child brain. You're either good oryou're bad, and so I couldn't let
myself think my parents were bad.So they had to be the best people
in the world, like I reallywas one extreme or the other. And
so now I'm understanding like I couldstill love them and respect them and appreciate
the lessons I learned from them,and be hurt by them and have all

(11:43):
these beautiful memories with them and havethem not in my life. Like my
mom kind of framed it as theworst thing you could ever do is cut
me out, Like why would youdo this to me? How without Ever,
there's some mental illness for sure,but possibly shades of narcissism in there,
where it's like, how dare youhurt me? It's about maybe not
about you, We're not even alick about me. And it was very

(12:05):
much like this is my parents wouldalways tell me how I was doing instead
of asking how I was doing.And when I realized that, I got
so fucking fed up. I gotangry, and that anger is what made
me that you're of being like violentlysuicidal, Like I was just purging that
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Now back to the podcast. Yeah, no, I feel I mean,
I don't know, you know,because I've talked. I don't know
if it's a Jewish thing or justlike being because I feel I can relate
to you. I had a lotof that with my mom, and we

(20:41):
have a lot of I love mymom and I respect her, but I
always say to her, if shewasn't my mom and we were in a
school yard, I would never beher friend, Like yeah, because I
felt very like and I love her, And it's hard. It's hard to
admit the truth that my mother bulliedme because you want to protect this person,
right, Yeah, And then butthen you get to a point where
you're like, I wouldn't let astranger talk to me like this. You're
my fucking mother and you're speaking tome like this. Respect those two ways,

(21:04):
correct? They would always. Idon't know if that your mind said
to you. I was raised Irespect your elder exactly. Okay, I
don't. I shut the kids,shut the fuck up, and you respect
whatever your parent does. That issuch bullshit that it's such a lie.
But when you when you grow up, you believe exactly what you're told,
or you feel like I don't knowif you felt like you feel like,
is are they lying to me?Or is it truth? Am I supposed
to just shut up and say andrespect everything they say, even if they're

(21:26):
mean to me. Yeah, likeyou said, they're telling us how to
feel or telling us what to domost of the time when you're like,
no, but I have this feeling. Why can I have this feeling?
Right? Which did you feel likea bad person with friends over time or
just in comedy in general? Becauseof that? Yeah, I felt awful.
I Krinne pointed something out that wasso interesting. My friend that I

(21:47):
don't speak to her anymore. ButI was friends with this person for fifteen
years. And she would once Iwas realizing, like, wait, I
think I should have maybe called mymom. My mom's not sums up.
And all my friends once I saidsomething, they're like, dude, I've
been wanting to talk to you aboutthis forever. I'm like, fuck.
But Corean pointed out one time,she's like, you know, we used
to record the podcast. There's agiant chunk of time we recorded my apartment
for like eight years. We recordedmy apartment and uh, She's like,

(22:11):
we would be recording and then yourmom will call and you'd stop the recording
to like in the middle of ustalking to and I'm I don't even remember
that. That's how far up herass I was. And so it's a
real jarring switch to like become beeroam person and go, oh shit,
I don't know who I am.Oh yeah, that's scary. Yeah,

(22:32):
of course not. And you're sohonest about it. It's like because I
was going through it too, Likeyou know, am I am? I?
I'm a people pleaser because of it, right, we all do.
And you don't know if you're right, am I supposed to talk shit,
but you're not talking shit because you'rebeing honest with your information and you're trying
to inspet, you're trying to findyourself. Yeah, and it's like people
don't like, you know when youtell bad stories about them, and it's

(22:53):
like, well, your behavior,my experience with your behavior is my story
correct? Correct, And I haveto tell my story. Yeah, And
I don't mean any disrespect and talkingabout it. I actually mean the most
respect to humanity, to myself andto you. If you're not going to
face what you did, that's okay, that's your problem, that's your problem,
that's your prerogative. But uh,I'm gonna talk about it like you.

(23:17):
Did you ever have that conversation withthem? I tried. They just
I couldn't get through and I'm soupset and I was like, oh,
the part that really made me cutthem off was like I have to change
how I relate to their inability tounderstand me. It's so heartbreaking. Right,
of course, everybody needs to beseen and heard by the people in
their lives. And then when yourparents don't do that, you're like,

(23:37):
fuck man, right, and thenyou're like and you're like in the hardest
industry, meaning like you're trying toyou know, you're trying to make it
you're trying to make your bread andbutter. You stand up is not easy,
especially for females, Like did thatever get in your head when you
were like, I gotta go upon stage and I feel like I was
wrong by the people I loved themost. Oh god, yeah all the
time. I just got to getover that. You'll have to go well,

(24:02):
because because you're like, I gottago to the show, I gotta
do this. What am I gonnago? I'm sad, Nope, can't
do it. Like I'm a newcomic. I can't fucking pull that shit
right. And I would never wantto pull that shit anyway. And to
me though, too, Like inmy stand up, I do a lot
of act outs and stuff because Iuse my acting degree and as stand up
a lot. It's so fun.It's a release. So I those are
the moments I treasure when I'm stressedor angry or anything and I have a

(24:26):
set that night, I'm like,thank God because you take it out right.
I mean, you were so beautifulat our show. By the way,
they all star comedy show, andyou know, portions of proceeds we
raise awareness for city harvest and hunger. I try to give something back.
Sometimes I feel so selfish, justeven though comedy is not selfish because you
are entertaining people, you're making peoplelaugh. But when I saw you that
night, it was like, that'sperformance. It's not about like hitting the

(24:49):
joker. It's really about taking everythingyou're inspired by and like releasing it on
stage, you know, Yeah,I mean. And every comic's different.
Like some comics are just they're suchgood writers. They could deliver the lines
dead pan, with no inflection andthey would still get laughs because their writing
is that sharp, and they're like, set up punchline, set up punchline.
Me, I'm more of an emotor. I love them. Do you

(25:11):
think so this is why I'm learningabout like more about you. Like do
you think it came from I justlove your confidence? Do you think that
came from realizing and recognizing who youare now and having to leave people that
you love back? Yeah? ReallyA dark Knight of the Soul. Really
fucking flossy out. That's a goodtitle for al. I'll buy it.
Shit right. Everybody thinks there's allthis beauty in the outside and all this

(25:33):
great success, but nobody sees thepain you had to go through to get
there. Yeah. Yeah, man, that's some real ship. A lot
of pain and had adviire like,had you cope with it? You're like
my therapy screaming but okay, alot of ways, oh scimaming, so
you scream. I see you asa screamer at my home. I had
rage of me. I don't reallyI don't have the rage. Well,

(25:55):
it'll pop up every once in awhile, but like the amount of rage
that if someone would have seen mein my home during that period, they
would have been like, I thinkI need to commit we need to commit
her right, Like this is insane? But yeah, Like animals when they
get injured or like when they havea near death run in, you know,
if they're getting hunted or something,they shake afterwards to let the trauma
of that experience out, the stressof that that you shake. Humans don't

(26:17):
do that. So you know,you got it's got to come out.
It's got to come out and comedyyou feel, so you you know,
stand up, like how what whatwould inspire behind your jokes or like you're
set? You would say. It'saltered so much throughout the years because most
of my Stanta career, I didn'tknow who I was so I was kind
of like being a fake ass bitchon stage and the audience probably smelled it.

(26:38):
But I like, I don't know, I just because I talk once
a week about like sex, dating, relationships and self confidence and self esteem.
It's just the topics that come upon the podcast or I alter if
something really like catches me, I'mlike, hmm that whatever whatever lights me
on fire the most, whatever topiclights me on fire in that moment is

(27:00):
what I want to talk about,and like what what does it make sense
about it? And what we're Ithink we're getting wrong about it? And
also just the self deprecation. There'splenty to make fun of of myself.
So right, well, I don'tthink so bad. I'm seeing it as
like a different you know, yeah, you know what I'm saying. I
mean, well, how do youI guess, I guess weed out the

(27:21):
noise? Have you had to whenyou were you know, coming up in
stand up in podcasting? Did youget haters? Did you get other competition?
Like how did you focus? Justlike, Okay, I'm going to
be Christina Hutchinson, my unique self. I don't give a shit about what
other people think about me. Yeah, it's just when you when the moments
where you feel like the biggest loserand you you just feel like no one
likes you. There's been many momentsin my life throughout the last decade of

(27:47):
like, no one likes me,I'm pissing everybody off, I don't know
how to act, I'm going onstage, nothing is working. The audience
looks uncomfortable. I don't. It'slike they're like I wasn't healed and I
was going on stage and the audiencecan, you know, And so I
just felt rejected in every way.And you there's you can only go up

(28:07):
from there. You can only goup from there and get any fucking worse.
It's right, right, because youalways feel I don't know about you,
but female, I feel I'm alwayspissing somebody off in the comedy industry.
Yeah, and especially meant yeah,oh my god. And you literally
you have to go, am Igonna keep feeling like this? Or am
I gonna get over it? Andyou just have to get the fuck over

(28:27):
it. And it's it's really,that's what it is, and it's not
people kind of frame it. Andcertainly I did as like a lot harder
of a task than it really is. When the thoughts come up they don't
like matter, you go, well, nope, we're not doing that today.
We're not doing that today. Weprotect our inner piece. So Beyonce,
I said, the favorite person inthe world, the way like in

(28:48):
the documentaries and interviews. She doesn'tdo many interviews at all, but the
way she protects her own inner pieceis something I really admire about her.
She doesn't want people fighting in frontof her. She doesn't want people if
you're going to disagree, if you'regonna have like a constructive conversation, great,
but if there's any negativity in theconversation, she doesn't want it around
her. She's very clear about thatand she's not shy to say it,

(29:08):
and I really respect that. Andso I stopped feeling bad about protecting my
inner piece. That's important, right, And that's what I'm in therapy about.
This is just really right, notfeeling bad about protecting your inner piece.
And everybody's always really thinking about themselves, like no one's Crientin always says
it's on the show, no one'sfucking thinking about you, all right,

(29:29):
you know, if you're a fanof like the podcast, and they're thinking
that's I'm not talking about that.I'm not. But the way people pleasing
because I have that totally. It'sbut it's I'm hammering it out of me.
I really am. I'm doing it. But it's fucking consistent, catching
it, talking back to it,and then fact checking it and going,
this isn't what's happening. This ismy mind doing its thing. You don't

(29:52):
get a shit, you don't getembar you don't get a shame. You'll
go of course, I'm doing thisagain, none of that shit. You
gotta really have this like inner coachvoice, which we all have, but
it like gets buried by you know, living and men know I'm so against
me. Well, I was gonnaask you because you know a lot of
times when we say how we feel, or whether it's on stage or even

(30:14):
to booker or like in comedy ingeneral, where you want boundaries because it's
very hard to have boundaries in thisentertainment industry. I guess what are your
tips to, like, how haveyou handled it right? Like when somebody's
like, well you shouldn't be askingfor this or you shouldn't do honestly,
karn Corina is branchure. I wehave been on. He's amazing. I
really love parent. Both of youare my fucking bible because I can't.

(30:36):
I can't defend mysel if I defendmyself. It's like Drake, it's like
people think I'm going zero to onehundred, really, but it's not that.
It's just you don't know how toreally talk well, especially when you
don't know how to defend. Likeif you realize you should have been defending
yourself the whole time and you didn'tknow how, and I, for I
get angry and it does come acrossas county and I'm like, I'm figuring
it out. Sorry, if youreally have a lot of compassion for yourself.

(30:56):
But Karin, like we've been ina lot of like conference calls,
meetings, many many many where shehas like, you know, we're being
talked to, talked down to.That happens all the time, you know,
Yeah, and she'll go whoa,whoa, and she'll just say something.
And years ago, I used toget embarrassed. I'm like, what
the fuck are you doing? Like, oh my god, you're gonna lose

(31:18):
You're gonna lose us this opportunity.She's like, what the fuck, why
do we want to work for somebodywho's and she was right, and I'm
like, oh, because I wassuch a people pleaser, desperate people pleaser,
I would get embarrassed about how shewould behave When now I look back,
I'm like, all she was doingand it wasn't mean in any way.
She was just going, no,we're not gonna do that. We're
not gonna take that. I seewhat you're doing. We're not gonna allow

(31:41):
that to happen. And I'm like, Karan, how dare you? And
She's like, how dare me?What the fuck? And then so now
so I've really learned from her.You know, we need examples of how
to be Like if something offends you, right, like what really the fastest
way to not get offended by somethingis to watch somebody. Somebody gets somebody
says something to the person in frontof you, and that person in front

(32:02):
of you doesn't get offended, andyou go, I would to god offended
if someone said that to me.And you take in the fact that they
are not offended, you okay,you can kind of align yourself with not
that energy because taking things personally iswhat a hellish life and that's most people,
right, And I wouldn't watch thaton my worst enemy. It's not
free. You're not free. You'reconstantly hurting yourself. It's like I always

(32:25):
say, you might not see mephysically cutting myself, but I'm doing something
internally smoking. Whatever I'm doing,Oh yeah, is like masscating, you
know, because of what other peoplesay. And Karen's right, you're right
about you have to have more empathyfor yourself. I guess it's like when
other people are so adamant about whoyou are and you're like, that's not
who I am. Yeah, howdo you cope? You just let them

(32:49):
get you, just you let themhave it wrong, You let it sure
going to work with you? Okay, there's some I mean that's why,
like I think fame is a mentalillness. Yeah, talk to us about
that. But in terms of likeenergy, like you know, people projecting
their negative energy on you, Ican't imagine, like, uh, people
like kind of throwing energetic darts atyou for being like the Kardashians, I

(33:14):
cannot I cannot imagine how anxious theymust feel. Aside from like it doesn't
matter what anybody thinks they're they're goodrule, it doesn't matter. But like
that amount of fame. Uh,and they're very clickbaity, like anything about
them is clickbaity, and it getsthey just get clickbaited at all goddamn day

(33:35):
and people get, yeah, fuckher fucking and that amount of negativity that's
gotta that's gotta suck. That's gotyour right, that's gotta suck. It
doesn't and no one could handle thatwell. I mean, that's awful.
You're being bullied by the world,even though they're like it's not direct,
like that has to affect you insome way so or like having just an
opinion what I respect to about youguys on the podcast, like you really

(33:58):
have this opinion and you don't.You don't. How do you say,
Debbie down from it? Like you'renot like no, You're like I said
that. I'm you know, likewith this whole little thing for instance,
I had said and that's why Idon't agree with cancel culture. It's no,
I am not agreeing if these dancerswere sexually God forbid or physically assaulted,
of course I am not for you. But if piling on Lizzo is

(34:20):
not gonna make her change, correct, and if she's saying with that because
she had wrote on her Instagram.I work hard. It's hurtful and disappointable
when people are lying on you.We've all been there, whereas people will
make shit up and you're like,wait, I never even knew I did
that, But also too, likewhat if she did do that? And
it's like, why can we justhave a conversation about it? Why would
that punish? Motherfuckers? Actually didn't, like, we never done anything fucked
up? Right, So I don'tthink not everybody most people have not sexually

(34:44):
assaulted somebody. I don't, andI don't again, I don't fucking know
what happened or what didn't happen,and it sucks to be I imagine it's
gotta suck for the people who cameforward because then they're gonna get shited on,
right, and then Lizzle's gonna getshited on. Lizzle's been shipped on
since she fucking came into fame,right for every god dam thing on the
planet. And maybe she is acunt, but fame makes you a cunt
sometimes, Like it's so interesting,like how people who aren't famous think that

(35:08):
famous people should handle fame. That'soh, that's amazing. It's like,
dude, fucking listen back to whatyou just come on, Like you haven't
even been in right, how doyou even know? You might not be
the cuntiest condom? All, Yeah, you don't know what it'll do to
you. It's like, I thinkI'm gonna be a great mom. Well
what if you're not? Like right? What if you have a kid and
it fucking freaks you out? Andyou know, you just don't know until
you're there, And it's like,I think you gotta we're all playing hot

(35:30):
potato with our pain. You gottafucking put the potato down. You gotta
put it down, and you gottanot participate in the pylon that whether little
Listo did something else genuinely fucked up, Okay, cool, Like let's talk
about it, like what led tothat? What were the repercussions of that?
Is? Is fame fucking up?Lizz out? Like, you know,
where's the evidence? How do wewrite resolve? Not? You're attacking

(35:52):
everyone? Like now we're canceling.Yeah, Shanello Mari who nobody knows because
I literally just send love, which, by the way, I've met her
in real life, so like whatabout my experience with her? Yeah?
Yeah, everybody has their own yeah, you know, it's almost like everyone's
trying to tell you how to live, and you're right, it's these people
that aren't even where we're at toeven know a third of like how to
tell us how to live or whoto cancel. Culture is such an egotistical

(36:14):
thing of like I I what youdid was wrong, what you said was
wrong, what you think is wrong, So you will be your career will
be no more. It's such sohard. You're so you're you're upset that
someone was being a bully, andthen you're going to be a bully to
them correct. So it's it's andthen if the person gets canceled, what
if they do do something fucked up, You're totally missing out on this opportunity

(36:36):
to have a conversation about it,and they're probably gonna double down and go,
well, you know what, fuckyou now I'm right wing or whatever?
Right Trump? Why do you geta January sixth? There? I
love you so much. I reallyunderstand humanity, man, I really really
do. And I gotta tell youI feel like, yeah that I know
why people love your podcast because whenI'm listening to it, I felt like

(37:00):
you got me. But now Iknow you in real life, and I
know you get me? Yeah,yeah, yeah, get you feel me.
Yeah. I'm talking to you likea family. You'll be broly bro
How jay Z and Beyonce probably talkedto each other. Oh how cool would
that be? I feel like Ijust I'm alost a little psychic, Like
I just had a vision that youwere in her music video or something you
in current anyway, that'd be amazing. Wait, your psychic? You have

(37:20):
psychic? No, but I feellike sometimes I feel old. Yeah?
Do you do you feel that way? Apparently my astrologically, I'm very psychic.
Okay. I definitely get hits alot, and I have wild synchronicities,
wild wild wild, Like I feellike you're good with like judge of
character, like you know, notuntil recently, four out of the five
people in my book dedications are blockedon my phone. So that's but that

(37:43):
was in twenty thirteen when or intwenty sixteen when the book came out.
So I've grown. So I wasnot historically not a great judge of character,
but now I do consider myself tobe a pretty good judge. Although
it's hard because I can understand whereeverybody's coming from. So I don't think
anybody's evil. I don't think anybody. I think all we want is love.
It doesn't matter if you're a homelessperson, if you're a billionaire,

(38:04):
if you're awful piece of shit,or if you're the kindest person in the
world. We all just want love. Like, just fucking admit that.
It's not right. Even that whitebillionaire in yeah apartment, he wants love.
He wants love. That's why he'sdoing that much cocaine. He just
wants you to say I love you, And you're right. It's hard for
us to be like, you know, let me tell you, yeah,
you know, yes for sure,But that's so true. You're so mature.

(38:29):
Thank you. A lot of alot of I wish trust people could
be like that. Thank you.I well, I hope you know.
I try to be on the airwavesas often as I can, I know,
spread the gospel. Well that's whatI was gonna say too. It's
like there's this whole I guess,cool factor in the industry, whether it's
comedy or entertainment. I feel likeI've seen it where it's like you got
to be like the cool kids,But then who are the cool kids in
school? Everyone we're all and everyoneknows we're all weird. We're all weirdos.

(38:52):
And cool is just made up,a made up thing by society and
it and it changes every day,so it does, right, And it's
like people can be so convince thatsomething is cool or so convinced that something
is uncool, and yeah, it'sjust whatever whatever, right you mean,
cool is just like a lame wordnow to me, like what does it
mean to you in general, liketo be even a cool person? What

(39:13):
a kind person? To me iswhat it means kindness? Yeah, I
don't even Yeah, I wouldn't Ithink cool. I wouldn't use the word
cool. I would just more ofthe word like grounded, grounded, you
know, genuine, something like that, kind for sure. Yeah, Or
like you also said, like fame, I guess you're right. It has
become like the new word of popularity, right, it's just everybody wants to
be this famous? What is famous? Yeah? Oh right, A bunch

(39:35):
of people wishing they were you.Is how we treat fame. That's how
we treat it. That's how wetreat it. That like it's it seems
I mean, but you know,there's so many famous people that are famous
for two amazing things, but like, yeah, a lot of like when
you're famous, people feel like Ibecause I witness it. Uh with what
like big celebrities when they get youknow, canceled or whatever, people feel

(39:58):
like they own you. I'm like, the fuck you get the fuck out
of you with the brest, they'retheir own person. Come on, right,
I'm sure even you don't you haveboundaries with fans, Like do you
set boundaries in general, like interms of like as you're coming up,
Yeah, the fame ladder, Likeit's not like everybody can have access to
you because yeah, right, yeah, no, I mean it's but I

(40:19):
love like, well, you know, people say high on the street or
something, or I love that.I love that shit because then you're connecting
with people and it's nice. Yeah, but yeah, this at first,
I think it's just the ego isjust like fade. The ego's just jerking
off of the idea of being famous. The ego king offa's like you get
caught up and thinking that's the onlything that matters or that's what you want.

(40:42):
And then so many people will saywho have been rich or famous or
both, oftentimes when they're still nothappy they're like, oh, now,
really sad because this didn't do it, And it's like, yeah, because
you know it's trite thing to say, but it's it's true that the happiness
has nothing to do with that ship. Right, You got to look within,
not all these outside things. It'sworth it to do the work with

(41:02):
him, because as right as Iwas growing up, I always though have
fame would make me important enough ormake me right people respect me, But
not all the time. No,you can get literally in outsweekly and fucking
trolls are out of nowhere telling youhow you don't deserve it or you're fadhorror
or something like that. Right,and yeah, you're right. Not everybody's
gonna like you no matter fame ornot. Yeah, that'll just never happen.
Yeah, that's hard truth. That'sa hard truth I think to accept

(41:25):
when I guess the question also iswhat made you start up stand up comedy?
Or I wanted to be on SaturdayNight Live? Okay, And I
moved to switch colleges to New YorkCity so I can intern there because I
was like, I can get anend if I interned there. Yeah,
and then I got at the internshipwith my last semester of college, and
I asked one of the writers,John Lutz, what I had to do

(41:45):
to get on the show, andhe said, stand up is probably the
best way in I thought I wasgonna say improv because he's an improv guy.
He was on thirty Rock all thatstuff, and I was like,
oh fuck, I don't think youwere gonna say that. So I was
like, all right. And myfirst ever time on stage was not an
open mic as it should have been, or a class as it I highly
recommend. It was at a Bringershow. Oh nice. I didn't fucking

(42:07):
never done stand up in my life. Doing a Bringer show, like you
know, you live in your alartlive, right, you bring people that
like, yeah, I mean weall we all do I feel right?
We start somehow of course, yeah, but that's amazing. And then you
loved it and you're like okay,or I didn't love it. I just
loved the idea of being on SaturdayNight Live. I keep doing this.
This sucks because I was such apeople pleaser. When you when you bomb

(42:30):
on stand up, there the audienceis rejecting what you said, how you
say it, who you are?I mean, it's not, of course
not an accurate representation of who youare, especially the beginning. But like
you just feel rejected in every way. And yes, as a like passionately
people pleaser person at the time,it was really tough. Like I bombed

(42:50):
once so hard that I didn't speakfor two days. I was like,
I can't. I was so disappointedin myself and like, but I couldn't
understand what I was doing wrong andI didn't know what to do. That
just happens, right, Scott.You can you can really carry yourself through
anything you can carry in that thatwhole life doesn't give you things you can't
handle. Like I know there's timesto say that to somebody, in times

(43:12):
to not, but it is verytrue. It is. It's true.
Well that's so cool that SNL listenall of us, right, we strive,
we dream, and to even getan internship there is the coolest thing.
Did you so when you were doingstandard, was there moments that you
were able to participate, like insketches with SNL or just right for them,
or you kind of moved on toI filmed auditions, but I was
I wanted it too bad and Iwas too nervous, and I procrastinated on

(43:36):
making a real and I just Ihad this failure complex thing in me that
I hugged the puppy too tight andit's suffocated. Totally get that, I
told you. And then you're like, and now I'm gonna be one of
the hottest men. I mean thepast your own podcast got breaked. So
but that's bigger than what I whatthe SNL dream was, Well, that
was I was gonna say, whatwas that cool of people that you worked

(43:58):
with at SNL or in general andother jobs, seeing that you are the
most influential and inspirational. And I'mnot saying that the kiss you're ass I
believe that's so I'm allowed to havemy fucking opinion for once in my life.
For let me thank you for inspiringme to have my own opinion.
But how cool is that? Likeit be the cool One of the coolest,
one of the two coolest things that'sever come out of this podcast is

(44:22):
being respected by people in the industrythat you respect, like really really respect,
having them respect you. I'm like, damn, yeah, I didn't
even think of that as a possibility. That's fucking cool. Yeah, it's
cool. That's cool that you're justlike being yourself and then now you don't
realize I mean, did do youfeel the podcast opened up more opportunities for
the stand up? Oh yeah,yeah, yeah yeah, like you didn't
have to introduce yourself anymore really ina sense where it's like we were just

(44:45):
we just got respected. It wasfucking sick. It was pretty sick.
You should just do like a merchantand somebody just wanted to be love,
right. I was like, thisis the boss, yes, because you're
like, I'm getting all this loveand I don't know. Yeah, but
it's also hard work. Oh yeah, right, Like it's pressure and it's
like, okay, but you know, I love pressure. I'm great under

(45:05):
pressure emergency situations on the Galley onearound because I will as much as I
can freak out over stuff when it'san emergency, I'll figure it out and
I'll have very good ideas. Ilove that feet solution based. You're like
a resolution solution based person. You'rethe best people. Know what what's your
sign? Pisces the best sign inthe world. I'm a Scorpio sad so
we get along the most with thePiscy. Now I get like the vibe

(45:28):
because a lot of us are misunderstood. Yeah, yeah, scorpios can be
misunders I'm on the November twenty first, I'm on the cusp. But okay,
pisces are great signs. Yeah,very psychic sign the most psychic.
H so and easy trying to movestuff like Matilda. Oh yeah, so,
oh my god like that. I'mobsessed with being a medium. Okay,
talk to us about yeah, talkto us about this. So I

(45:49):
have do you have like inclining?Like you know? So I did over
the pandemic. You know, therewas nothing to do. So I watched
a lot of documentaries. I lovelearning, and I've always been interested in
aliens and psychic phenomena. To twothings that I'm like, what the fuck
is is? There's so much wedon't know. It's intriguing. And this.
I watched a document docuseries called SurvivingDeath on Netflix, and there's each

(46:12):
episode goes goes over a certain aspectof death, near death experiences, mediumship,
past lives, all that stuff.And there was this woman, laurrel
and Jackson, who's a medium,and I saw her and her energy was
just like just so lovely and calmingand like, oh she just felt so
nurtured by her voice, like shewas really a wonderful woman, and she
did a reading with this woman whosedaughter died of a drug overdose, and

(46:36):
it was a really intense thing,and the messages that she gave this woman
were phenomenal, and you were like, oh my god, the rest of
this woman's life is going to bebetter now because she she had closure that's
so healing and incredible, and like, wait, we can fucking talk to
dead people? What the what?I'm sorry? What? Like, I

(46:58):
have a show coming out in thefall, call wait what We explore aliens,
ghosts, and psychedelics, and I'mso passionate about these weights. So
then you, I'm sure I wantto know your opinion about how they found
aliens, which I, oh,yeah, day is real. And the
ghost Hunter shows I'm obsessed with becauseI used to work for Mariy Povich,
so we used to have moy morebesides the Baby Mama drama. I would

(47:20):
be yes psychic and ghost Hunter episodes. Ghost I would have to listen to
it sometimes be an ambient dude,and I'd be like, oh my god,
is this real? Then I wouldsee the ghost thing because you have
to watch and hear the tapes thatshit is crazy. Yeah, I I
am not afraid of death. You'renot. No, I mean, I
don't want to die, but likeyou know, I got I got a
lot of plans, so I thinkI'm gonna live for a while. But

(47:42):
yeah, and you're a really goodperson. I'm sorry, but I just
want to say, you're a reallygood person and I love you for that.
Okay, yeah, but I learned. I've learned so much about death.
I've not had a traumatic death inmy life. I'm very lucky in
though way. God, but Ithink it's so beautiful that we can talk
to people. And I've heard alot of tidbits I've picked up along the
way, from reading books, fromseeing people, from talking to people that

(48:06):
have will never leave me one ofthem. I filmed the show Wait What
at a podcast studio in Midtown,and one of the crew members that's why
I like talking about the subject,because if anybody has stories that I'm talking
to, like, they'll be like, I've never really told anybody this because
I think I'm a freak. ButI'm like, I don't think you're weird.
Please tell me. I want toknow. Like, I think our
stories are our greatest assets in away, but we got to share them.

(48:29):
This crew member was saying, he'slike, I had a cool thing
happened once I met I ended upmeeting somebody on a plane and they studied
near death experiences and they were tellingme about this study. I forget the
exact numbers you use, but say, just for this example, they interviewed
one hundred people that I had neardeath experiences, and there was just to

(48:50):
see what are the similarities, whatare the differences, you know, and
most people saw the white light,most people you know, and they felt
like relieved, They felt like thisamount of love they've never even thought was
possible that they've never felt on earth, regardless of how their childhood was,
or what their marital status was oranything. And so they felt like the
most love and comfort they've ever feltin their life. And a majority of

(49:13):
these people said they were met bybeings. Some people described it as their
loved ones who'd passed away were thereand they were a giant chunk of them.
Were asked this one specific question wordit exactly like this, and these
people didn't know each other, soit really stood out to the people leading
the study, and the question was, how have you loved and that's so

(49:34):
powerful, Like we don't talk likethat, and so I yeah, I
like, it's such a beautiful sentence. I'm gonna get a tattooed on me,
oh my god. But I wantto get it to I want to
get a tattooed on my back becauseI want people to see it. I
want people to like, I wantto be open that you gotta be backless
for like ever. Yeah, thatis so powerful. Yeah, it's a
really beautiful question. And you cantell like and the readings that Laura ln

(49:57):
Jacks, She's written two books andwhen she says like these are what the
my guides tell me, or thisis what your loved one has passed away
tell me, we don't talk likethat on earth because and I think a
lot of it is because people arejust in a lot of pain, emotional
pain, physical, all that,and it's so cloudy, clouds us from
who we really are, because whowe really are is this is like giant
ball of love, that's all weare. And so thinking about that question,

(50:22):
I'm like, fuck, like I'vegotten so much. I've gained so
much wisdom from exploring specifically the deathtopic that I will take with me forever
and I wanna I read this bookby Susan. I forget her last name,
but the book's called Messages of Hope. She used to work in the
US government in the Navy. Shewas in the air during nine to eleven.

(50:43):
She worked for Colempows. She wasthe only airplane in the air allowed
on nine to eleven. She wasin like so she had a very intense
career in the Navy in working forthe government. Her husband, also in
the navy, high up after nineto eleven. Shortly after they both retired,
lived on a boat. The husbandhad a daughter from a previous marriage
who was pregnant, also in thenavy. One day, the daughter gets
struck by lightning and her and herbaby die very suddenly. And the woman

(51:07):
Susan, who was married to theguy whose daughter passed away, was like,
I it was so shocking. Imean, she talked about how shocking
it was, and that she watchedher husband grieve and fall apart, and
like she was watching him die infront of her because he was just so
taken over by that grief. Imean, I can't imagine, you know,
you think, oh my god,I'm gonna have a granddaughter and then

(51:28):
nothing, like what the fuck isthat? And so she's like, if
I don't figure out a way,there's no way this lively, beautiful woman
could be here one day and gone. There's just no way. And then
like Einstein sick gosh Kenazi Jew waslike, energy cannot be I think he
said energy cannot be created or destroyed. I believe it was. And so
she in that vein, she waslike, I need to figure out.

(51:49):
I know that there's mediums. Igotta figure out if there's a way that
he can talk to her and connectwith her, he will live like And
so she went to mediums, gotsome messages that really moved the needle and
his healing and his grieving, andthen she went to the school. She
became a medium, and she doesthis now, not for she just takes
donations, but she's like, ohmy god, I fucking we went through

(52:12):
this awful, tragic thing. Andthen I talk and talk to dead people
like I get message and it's themost beautiful thing I've ever experienced. And
I did one of the exercises oneday that she talked about in the book,
where you hold an object somebody givesyou an object of someone who's passed
away and you're not supposed to knowanything about it. So I did this
with my friend Annie. This waslike, truly one of the most little
This was the gnarliest, one ofthe gnarliest days of my life. And

(52:35):
I and she's witchy like me.So I'm like, let's just fucking smoke
some weed and see if we cando this exercise. I don't know.
I've always read about intuition being verysubtle, which is why a lot of
us miss it. It's it's wealways pay attention to the voices in our
head that are jumping up and downand screaming, But those are the nose,
that's the noise that we're not.Yeah, and I'm like, okay,
And so Stusan described in the book, when you're doing this exercise,

(52:59):
you know you're gonna feel like you'remaking the shit up. That's probably what
the truth the truth is. Solike, if you feel like you're making
it up, go with that.Go there, don't be afraid, don't
be embarrassed, there's no risk.Like it's it's okay. So I did
this with my friend. She gaveme a necklace. She told me it
was her grandmother so I was like, Okay, don't tell me anymore.
I don't want to, I don'tplease, don't tell me anymore. So
I held it in my hand andyou just kind of like sit there and

(53:20):
you just ground yourself and I closemy eyes. I didn't want to be
distracted, and I probably weed isprobably not the best route to to do
this, but we were just likeI just wanted to be relaxed, you
know, no prushure. So Ijust all right away. I got pictures.
I got the scene in American Beautywith a net bending trimming her rose
garden. I see perfectly manicured rosered roses. I see a black and

(53:40):
white gardening apron. I see ayellow water and there's all this stuff,
and it just came out. I'mlike, and I'm like, ooh,
I think I'm making this up.So I'm gonna follow that. And I
just just spit all this shit out, a lot of stuff, and I
opened my eyes and she was crying, my friend, and I was like,
she ran into a room to giveme a framed picture of the woman
I just described in a black andwhite gardening apron. She goes, dude,

(54:02):
that yellow watering can, he said, she left that for me.
It's at my home in Boston,and I was like, my god,
are you fucking serious? And thenher boyfriend was there and he was like,
wait, can I give you anobject? I'm like, yeah,
let's go. And he gave mea coin and I was like military grandfather,
blah blah blah, and he's like, holy shit, and I had
I saw like scenes, like scenesfrom a movie, and I was like,
this is so cool. And thenhe and then he's like, can

(54:24):
I give you one more object?And I was like, yeah, it's
your uncle's jacket. And he's likeyeah. I'm like, dude, what
the heck? What did that scaryyou? Or no? Element? I
wanted it. I was like,this is awesome. But it wasn't like
it wasn't like a medium, LikeI wasn't channeling them in any way.
I didn't. I didn't feel themthere in any way. But you're just
reading the energy of the thing.Yeah, one of the coolest things.

(54:45):
I've taken a lot of workshops byLaurlan Jackson, and two of them she
mentioned the study nonverbal autistic kids areall psychic. They are all extremely powerfully
intuitive, and we are not tappinginto that and that is a that is
a sin. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. Yeah, yeah,

(55:07):
yeah, yeah, okay, okay, I should say yeah. And
so there's a lot of studies thatI suggest, like if you're listening or
you like, go look it up. It's really amazing. And so there's
just so much. I'm so fascinatedby the unknown. I'm so fascinated about
this. I have to, bythe way, you have to come up
again for part two because there's alot. You have a lot to say,

(55:27):
but it's educational. It's something thatI want to learn too. But
sometimes you're right, people are scared. I'm not gonna like to talk about
it. I ain't and I'll givea fuck. You think you're scared less
about death because you're able to havethese experiences and like, directly do we
And is there a higher power?Like you learned? Yeah, through these
death it's all it's us. It'sus. We're all a ball of that

(55:49):
higher power. We're all a littleball of it. And then you grow
up. You grow up, you'reborn into the world. Earth is a
hard planet to incarnate on Earth isand I think it was who Dolly Lamer
somebody somebody said this, somebody veryfamous. Death is like dying is like
taking off a really tight shoe.Oh I love that. You gotta do
a merch line on that. Thatis that's a famous corn. I can't

(56:09):
take its great, but I feelit makes me understand very quickly and very
immediately, how much we carry onour shoulders and how there's just gotta let
it go. You're right, there'sno like you can't be like Chanelle and
one place week go. It's justlet it go. Yeah, you got
You're right. We don't control things. I feel like we're also messengers,
like even learn. It's like ifsomething doesn't work out, one thing at

(56:30):
one place, and even if theymake you feel bad, you can't take
it. So seriously. Maybe youwere meant to be in a studio where
beyond say records and I'm just withChristina Hutchinson from Guys We Foggs. You're
just like hello, like a lotof people can't be in our shoes.
We're very blessed, very great.Like you're right, it's just about being

(56:51):
grateful knowing that it's above you.Just you're not. It's not only about
you. Yeah, yeah, Imean, who would you say I guess
the podcast, but in life,like was somebody that taught you a lot
or just you know you were blownaway by or you learned more about yourself.
Beyonce, Giselle Knowles Carter. Imean that fucking woman. I've been

(57:12):
a fan of for since I wasfifteen. I saw her in Jersey two
weeks ago. Oh Danna, wethought they're so early. We were up
against the barricades. We were frontfucking row. How was that experienced?
Six mos? Okay, it waslike the fourth time I've seen her alive.
It's incredible. That woman is sofucking adorable and so talented and so
goofy and her Blue Ivy was thereand they were dancing together. It was
just it was incredible to be.I didn't grow up religious in any way,

(57:36):
which I'm fortunate because then I gotto pick what I believe in.
So she's my Jesus. She ismy idol, Like how people like kind
of look up to Jesus and stuff, and I get why. He's a
cool motherfucker. That's that's her forme. But that's cool because it's like,
right, another badass woman and Sparinand you know, that's kind of
who you want to be, youknow, compass what I guess. What's

(57:58):
your favorite thing about her? Foryour grace? I want it is something
that I would love to have moreof. And her womanliness. I love
her the way she expresses being awoman. I think it is the most
beautiful expression of womanhood I have everwitnessed. Yeah, and she's not like

(58:22):
I'm not and I'm not one ofthose people. She's perfect. She never
does of course, not no onefucking it. But like I love how
she's very just honest about herself.I just I really love her. I
just yeah, I love that.Quick things before we wrap up, what's
your dating advice secret to like keepinga man or just a partner or been

(58:42):
abound to keep a man? Okay, that's that's see we you only you
don't keep anything or anyone. Butit's it's a common But kidnapper, I
feel like I'm like I have fiveof them. But you know that is
a common it's a common prase.Like it's true Cosmos why Cosmo's sold meines
for how many decades they've been around. You have to love yourself before you

(59:04):
can get in a relationship with somebody. Not I mean it's best to do
that. Sometimes people can show youhow to love yourself for sure, for
sure, for sure, But ifyou feel good about yourself, then a
relationship should be the cherry on topof an already beautiful life you've created.
It should be an addition, notan asset, not a requirement, not

(59:25):
asked, but not a requirement,not something that you have to have.
Yeah, romantic loves weird because itcan feel so good and then you can
never hate someone as much as youcould hate someone you used to love.
It's weird because it's very weird inher art. But you're right, You're
right, that's you know. Withthat being said, Also, you can
check out your podcast, Guys GottickRight It's not it form a Patreon,

(59:47):
Patreon, dot com slash. ChristinaHutchinson five bucks a month I do.
I lead group therapy and quotes I'mnot a licensed therapist once a week and
I really enjoy it. I lovethat I'm going to join And also where
can every body follow you at Christinahutch k r y st y na.
I love that. Also, favoriteplace in the city that we can check
out that you can recommend that hashelped you get over things any food,

(01:00:10):
coffee shops, book places. Ilove the UN. Ooh, that's a
good one. Well, the UnitedNations they have a dag Hammherschfeld has a
meditation room there. You can goin for free. People don't realize that.
And there's this meditation room in thereand it's very still and it's very
That was the first time I moved. When I first moved to New York,
I lived on forty seventh Street,which is right by there. So
I just stumbled upon it one dayand I was like, what the fuck.

(01:00:30):
Thank god, I need some peace. I love that. I gotta
take your advice to the UN.That's amazing. That's amazing. I'm gonna
get a sandwich eat in front ofthe vibes es. Yeah. They just
want to be better for the world. So that's nice. I love that
and anything we can look forward toseeing you like, because I know there's
a big thing. Have a comedy. I'll have a stand up album coming
out soon. I have a showcalled Wait what about Alien's Pho Psychedelics In

(01:00:52):
the fall, I have a solopodcast, and I'm bringing back the voices
in our heads. At the endof August, guys, we fucked and
I'm on tour Christina hutch And I'msure moving. I saw also this shows
coming out or a show you're workingon or that you can't talk about yet.
Oh yeahs the writer strike right us. Right, we'll say, okay,
well we got it. We hopethat ends so that we can see
you on TV. I think there'sgonna be a lot of good things for

(01:01:15):
you. Thank you for being here, thank you for having me, And
I'm sending you so much love.Thank you you too, Thanks for having
me. Hi, this is ChristinaHutchinson, and you are listening and seeing
me and hearing me on Shanella Marispodcast Chanelle in the City, Bitch,