August 14, 2024 • 55 mins
Brian Redban's Impact on Podcasts and Comedy Industry:
On this episode of Chats and Tatts, host Aaron Della Vedova welcomes special guest Brian Redban, a comedian, producer, and owner of a comedy club in Austin. They discuss their long friendship, Brian's diverse creative ventures, AI, cancel culture, and their upcoming tattoo session on the show for Brian's custom Della Vedova arm piece.
Brian Redban played a pivotal role in the growth of podcasts and the comedy industry, notably through the creation of The. Joe Rogan Experience with Joe Rogan and the wildly popular comedy podcast Kill Tony. His contributions were instrumental in the success of the Death Squad podcast network.
Initially, Brian and Joe utilized Ustream for fan interactions and Q&A sessions, which evolved into the concept of podcasting, garnering widespread popularity. Brian's dedication to managing multiple podcasts, including editing and production, underscored his commitment to the industry. He ventured into entrepreneurship by launching a t-shirt company alongside his podcast endeavors.
The success of Kill Tony, a live podcast featuring comedians performing one-minute sets and receiving feedback, solidified Brian's influence in the comedy realm. The show's format attracted a large audience and provided a platform for up-and-coming comedians.
Tune in for an insightful and entertaining conversation with this hilarious and creative guest!
Chat Breakdown:
[00:00:39] The future of AI in robots.
[00:05:17] Shane Gillis' Tr*mp impression.
[00:10:16] Uncensored comedy and censorship trends.
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We take AI though and put it in realistic robots, you
know, this robot sex dolls or whatever. That's what I'm
waiting for. Like being able to have somebody that follows you around. Like this
Yeah. Well, dude, you know, it's sort of sounds
like a joke, but it isn't. I know you agree, if
they build a female, like relatively,
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and with the AI, all that in there, dude, some
people are never ever, they're just gonna die in their houses. They're
With some fucking AI robot just pounding on them still, and his heart's already
Shit's about to
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go down. Chats and Tatts
Hello, friends, lovers of tattoos and art
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and creativity. Welcome back to Chats and Tats with me, your host,
Aaron Dell of Adobe. Today is a really special day. I
don't know, man, 2009, I'm guessing. I had
the honor of doing some big sleeves on Joe Rogan. And
during that time, this guy was his right hand man. And we
hung out for many hours and became friends. and recently
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i was lucky enough to go to austin and see all the bad shit he
is doing i'm not giving the name yet cuz i want you guys to try to guess a little
bit but and other than that he's
a comedian he is, i
guess the producer of many famous podcast has his own podcast
is a comedy club in austin sunset strip
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comedy club, He's been in movies. He's done a
ton of shit. Super rad dude. Super creative dude. And
we're going to be tattooing him on the show today. So with all that being said, please
welcome my guest today, Brian Redman. How are you doing, buddy?
I'm good. I'm good. Dude, I am. I'm
super pumped. I mean, not just because obviously tattooing Joe is a
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big highlight of my career. We're still friends. Love Joe on
a personal level. Love what he's done with his show and what the effect
it's had on the world. But it's just a, I don't know,
full circle moment when you called me up and you're like, you want to get a real tattoo.
Yeah. And and I got to go to Austin and of course, see
the Kill Tony show. Yes. That guy is a roast specialist,
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Yeah, absolutely. I would never, ever think to ever try to
outwit him when it comes to roasting. I watch, like
we have a lot of people come on the show and that's one thing, you know, these comics, the
show, you know, open micers put their name in a bucket and
they do one minute of material. And a lot of people like think,
oh, you know, I'm funnier than Tony. And so they just spend their minute trying
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to roast Tony. And I've seen it so many times and I'm like, oh,
this is, here we go. This is going to be great. Cause then, The minute's
over and then it's just Tony destroying this person for like 20 minutes.
Guns have been drawn. That would be not
I would just be praying he didn't fuck with me. He
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loves it. When he sees that, he's like, oh, it's like a wounded deer. You know, like, ha
Blood in the water. No, the show I went to,
there was a lady off to your guys' right, and he fucking went on
That was so witty, I'm like, and I'm, I don't know, I'm thinking of the woman, I'm
like, I wonder if she's just, probably just a paying customer, just like taking it,
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you know? But I guess when you go to that show, You know what you're getting into. You're getting
into it. But on that note, I mean, we're
gonna get into how everything led up to this point, but this is like a pinnacle
moment in your career, I would think, with this show. And you
When is that one? That's next month, in a couple weeks, we
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got two shows. Jesus, dude. In Staples Center, I
think? Yeah, we did the YouTube Theater, we did whatever the
I don't even know what it's called now in LA. Yeah,
we just started recently doing arenas. That's how crazy the
show has gotten. Like our last episode, which came out Monday,
is our most viewed episode of all time. It's, I think,
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That's what Shane Gillis is doing. Shane Gillis, Trump, and Adam Reyes.
I haven't seen it because I couldn't catch it Monday night live, but what's
the deal? I got to wait a week before I get to see it because I tried to look it up and it wouldn't come
Oh, it's up now. We put up a new episode every Monday. So
you film on a Monday, live. We film on a Monday, and then we
usually have like one or two weeks where we edit it,
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or I edit it. So you won't see that one usually for a couple weeks. Couple
weeks, right, yeah. But this one, we filmed it. It
was so funny that I was like, we should
just release this next week, ditch all the other ones,
because it was so funny. And I'm so glad we did that, because
I had already finished editing it, and then the thing
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happened. And I was just like, oh my God, this is perfect timing for our
Well, Shane, dude, his Trump voice is uncanny.
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And if you're into that kind of stuff go check him out it's so funny because you watch
that episode and his trump is so good and so silly that
it makes you like if you're not a trump fan you'll you'll end
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up being like i love trump. Like that character, you know, I
That's nuts though that you guys had that show. I didn't do
the math on this. You guys had that show planned before the attempted assassination.
No, we were excited about it because it was Tony and
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Adam Ray got together and they thought of this idea to do this. And
I was excited because I learned when we filmed it,
like a day later, I heard that Biden was coming to Austin, Texas
the following Monday. And he was going to do all these interviews
with NBC and Dateline. They were advertising it
like, Biden, one-on-one interview this Monday. And I was
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like, oh, this is hilarious. He's being interviewed by NBC next
Monday. We're releasing that episode next Monday. We're going to make it
seem like he's going to be on the show, because it's going to
say he's in Austin, Texas right now. And we were excited about
that. And then when the assassination happened, we're like, oh my god, this is even crazier. Now
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The assassination didn't happen, you know? They
were just talking about that, like, I just can't get over how fucking
Guy takes a ladder and a fucking assault
rifle, walks into the, uh, wherever the
hell it was. Where was it? I can't even remember. wherever it was, you know,
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Secret Service, all there, puts the ladder on a building, climbs
And it wasn't like it was like crazy far away. It was literally the
building right in front of the stage. Like how is this not
It's like the place you'd want to be. Yeah. Like Secret Service
is like, okay, if we want someone to kill the president, we should leave that roof
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open for them. Yeah. That's reserve seating up there. Exactly. VIP
balcony right there. And then I think I heard some, one of the people who represents, uh,
is it, am I saying that right? Secret service or is it presidential security? I think it's secret
service. Secret service. They were saying, um, why didn't you have anybody up there?
And the woman was like, well, that rope, that, that roof was slanted. So
we didn't feel it was safe. I'm like, what? Do you realize how
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fucking stupid you sound? Right. My kids can play on that
Yeah. That's fishy
I don't want YouTube to shut me down, so I won't go too deep on this, but my
antennas are up, dude. That is weird. Well, that's
rad. And I will watch that. In fact, I got to, I don't know, tonight or whatever. I
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got to catch that one. I've had a few people call me up and be like, have you seen the new one with
But on that note, this show starts off, whatever it
was, and it's grown to this beast. And it's just interesting to
me, you know, obviously it's, people love it. I'm
trying to figure out in my own head, like, what is it that people love so much about this show? I
mean, I've been to the show. I get it. It's funny as hell. And I don't know
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if I'm right about this, but I guess to me, it's like this two
things. Everyone loves to see a nobody maybe
get a chance in life. Like everyone roots for that guy. Like
maybe this fucker. can do it. And everybody loves
spontaneous, authentic content, right? You can't
really write it. You can't plan it. It's just gotta go the way
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it goes. I think, would you agree it's those two ingredients that make
Yeah, absolutely. That and just uncensored comedy,
which is harder and harder to come by. You know, I mean,
like you look at what's being fed to
you nowadays, you know, when it comes to comedy. And it's like Saturday
Night Live where it's just edited and it's very left, you
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know, and all that stuff. And it doesn't represent what standup comedy
is. And there really isn't anything that's, you know, it used to be back in
the day, it used to be getting on The Tonight Show, Johnny Carson. And
even that, you know, that was censored for TV. So when people are
finally now seeing, you know, we don't
censor everything and it's just raw standup comedy, I
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think that too, like appeals, like this is the real stuff,
what's going on at the comedy clubs. And this is what people are really talking
about. And it's also keeping comedy alive
in some, cause you know, comedy gets attacked all the
time. You know, in Canada, somebody joked about, I
forget, like somebody in a wheelchair or something like that. And he got fined
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like a hundred thousand dollars. Like Canada is a mess right now,
but. You know, censoring comedy is become more
and more lately with all the wokeness and stuff like that. And so
like a show like this, it's like, fuck you. We're going to do what we
want to do. We're going to not censor anything. We're going to
talk about what we want to do. uh, and improve that, you know,
comedy and standup comedy. That's what's great about it
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is the freedom of speech. And if it's funny, it's funny, you know, it's not,
it's not about hate. If there's a joke there, it's a joke, you
So it seems so simple to you and me. I mean, I'm just shocked at
the people in the world that would literally take that literally.
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's calm. We're there. Anything goes,
you can make, if you say in the front, these are jokes, that
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should be okay. That's it. And the fact that people really, is that why at
Yeah. That's, that's how, that's how it should be at every
comedy club. I was going to ask you, it's not. It's not. No, like
we do it at my comedy club and Joe does at his. A lot of
comics now, uh, when they're on the road, they'll bring
the things to lock it up or they'll hire a local company to do
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that for them. And it needs to happen at more comedy clubs. The
place I played last night, it's not that. I kind
of didn't even think about it, because I'm so used to everyone's phones
being locked up, but then I'm like, oh God. And of course. You had
to become more guarded. Yeah, more guarded. And of course, you're looking out and
you see somebody with their phone out. I'm like, great. I'm
in the middle of telling a joke, so I can't stop and be like, hey, can you make
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sure that person's not recording video? It changes the show. It
Well, yeah, because if you're gonna riff a little and just intuitively
say the next funny thing, but you got phones on you in today's
world, that's going to change your whole vibe. Like you're going
to be like, oh shit. And then the ability for somebody to
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just take that little piece of what you said and just make you
Or just throwing it on, you know, you have a new joke as a comic and
you put it out there and like, oh, I'm working on this new joke, you know, and
I'm gonna record a special for Netflix in a couple months or something like that.
And then some guy in the audience takes that joke when you're not even done
with it, puts it up on TikTok, gets millions of views. And
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you're like, not great now that I can't do that joke on Netflix. Everyone knows about it. It's a
horrible version of I've been working on this joke for like a month, you
know? And it's them getting likes
It's crazy. I never even considered that.
I first thought it was like, oh, they just don't want people's fucking phones going off. But
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That's not even the main thing of it. Well, not to mention that what you said, like getting
Well, here's a good example. This happened to us. It happened to Tony. Tony had,
we knew this guy, this comic, and Tony, he was
Chinese. And he used to open up for tony
once in a while like you did new year's eve with tony and stuff like that we knew this
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guy he was like you open for tony. And
you're at a show i think was my actually was my secret show that i
do every thursday and he went on stage and
just did this thing about. Like the Chinese comic did this thing
about like Americans, you know, and they do this, white people
do that and stuff like that. And Tony was to follow him. And so Tony
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knows him. So he's just like, Oh, he's saying white people, this white, blah, blah.
So he went up and just did like, and it was, it sounded like,
Oh God, that's crazy racist. Right. But that comic
wanted clout, or he wanted to get
his name out there. So he had been recording his
set. And then when Tony started doing all this stuff about him, he
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kept it recording. He took just Tony going on
stage, doing all this racist stuff, put it online, Tony
gets canceled he gets dropped from his agents like like
i mean it was so crazy in just a couple days
it was on tmz it was all over the news tony
got canceled overnight i mean i remember tony calling me
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and i his you could hear it in his voice like he was just been sleeping and
miserable oh man you know and I was like, fuck, this
is it. The show is probably over. Even Rogan called
me up and goes, well, maybe me and you could do a text show
together or something. We were like, all right, Kill Tony's over.
All this hard work for 10 years. But then Ari
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Shaffir, we got ahold
of, somebody recorded the whole, at the club, recorded the whole show.
So Ari, we were like, what do we do? He's
like, you know what, I'm just gonna put this on my YouTube, the uncut, uncensored version
of Tony, his set, and then his set right
after, just because there was no context of Tony
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being a racist. And when you see how like, you know, he was making fun
of white people and stuff like that, and then Tony was just rolling off that joke
of, you know, oh, making fun of Roy Mabel, you know, then immediately,
the table turned and it looked like oh this guy was just being an asshole
he knew what he was doing you know this comic and then it ended up
him getting cancelled. Over in
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three days it went from tony being cancelled to now this guy's
being cancelled to, Tony getting canceled was one of the biggest things that
happened to Tony. Like it changed his career overnight because everyone saw
like, wow, you know, uh, look what this guy did to another comic.
And I think right after that happens when Kill Tony really
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Like they say, no such thing. All press is
good press or however they put that. Exactly. Yeah, fuck
man. I didn't I didn't know that story You know the sad part
to me is that anyone gets cancelled for any of it period though, right? I mean again,
you're in a comedy show. Yeah, and it should just be no holds
barred. You're you're voluntarily there Yeah, I mean,
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you know like if I go in here these guys might make jokes about black people
or Chinese or me Yeah, it doesn't matter everything's free game
and comedy and the fact that it even gets there disturbs a
shit out of me it seems I don't know, anti-American or
Yeah. It's usually the people that get upset at, I've never been to a
comedy club or they've been to like a clean comic that, you
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know, like, Oh, I saw Seinfeld, you know, or something like that. It's
like, and those people are always like, Oh, I might sit in the front row. I'm going to
a comedy club. And they are the ones that, that, that, Oh,
he attacked me. Or, you know, he yelled at me and I'm where they
heckle and, If you've never been to a
comedy show before, if you're unsure, if you're going to get upset, don't sit
in the front couple rows, sit in the back. So if you want to leave, you can leave
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Yeah. If you're easily offended, if you're that sensitive, that's
Or just stick to the stuff that's on network television. There's plenty of
network television comics that are all buttoned down just for
you. And I'll just say this out loud. Anybody that goes to a comedy show
and gets that offended, You're a fucking nerd. You
are a fucking nerd. Get away from me.
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God damn. You got a better laugh, people. You got a
better laugh at yourself. You got a better laugh at your friends. I
don't know. On this note, on a philosophical level, that's something
I'm coming, and I know this is something you've talked about, and everyone's probably more aware
of it in the comedy world, but it's, It really is the last beacon
of sort of like free speech in a weird way. Like
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the frontier of being able to, because you
can talk maybe about a sensitive political subject that if
you put it in the context of a joke, you can talk about it. But
if you go somewhere and you want to talk, talk about it, seriously talk about it. I mean, who
shuts you down when you do that? You know, YouTube demonetizes you and
all these things happen. Yeah, that's kind of, that's
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kind of cool to think of it that way, you know, that there's, and maybe that's
Am I right? Yeah. It goes, it's ups and downs, you know, it's
always has, you know, where comedy is really popular or comedy is kind
of dying. And right now I think it's the biggest it's ever been right
Well, especially with Austin, the shining light down
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in Austin. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's probably in
part just all this like cancel culture stuff.
This is the counter reaction to that. People are like, fuck, man, you can't
even listen to videos on your phone without them somehow being
curated. And then comedy becomes more appealing to
go to that stuff. That's pretty rad. Well, I
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hope you guys continue. I mean, you guys, I mean, I was
just down in Austin. What a sight to behold that all the
club, your club, which was bitching, you know, of course the mothership, creaking
cave. It's just like, are there other cities with that much comedy so
I mean, New York is the closest I can think of, you know, even LA
where LA is, it's, you know, it's always been New York and LA
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being like, and maybe Chicago being the comedy. you
know cities but l.a. is so spread out you know you there's
one comedy club here and while the other comedy club closest one
is like a mile away it takes 15 minutes in l.a. to get there right
but this is that literally like my clubs right next door to joe's club
and there's a club across the street you know it is
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one of the best setups for comedy. New York is kind of like that,
but also it also is kind of more spread
out where Austin, it's just pretty much you go downtown and
Yeah. That's cool, man. I mean, it. It's getting
Rogan's already talking about buying a theater, you know, like, cause you
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know, or another club and stuff
like that. He's already on plan two of this whole comedy.
He's probably got two, what's going on, I'm sure for him, is there's too many great
Or Kill Tony, look, we do Kill Tony every Monday at
his comedy club, Mothership. We put
out three months worth of shows for
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sale so people could buy tickets at once. They sell out
in less than a minute, all three months. And it's like, we
feel bad because fans are like, dude, at noon,
I was there on the ticket website and it said it sold out. And I'm like, yeah.
So like that, I think it's another thing. Like, I think Joe sees that,
you know, like there's more people that want to see, you
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know, shows than there are seats. So buying a, you know, that's just
the progression of it. Buying a theater next, you know, and have a
200 you don't want to as a person who's worked from the ground up
building this craft to see fans be denied Breaks
your heart. Yeah, you know, that's one of the reasons I built it's different
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but guru was the same thing, you know, I was like Everybody wanted to
get tattooed and we didn't have it. That's like I'll just make another one. Yeah You
love these people that I don't exist without these fans with these these
people who love my work same with you Yeah, that's cool. I
do. Yeah, so Wow it'll be interesting like 10 years from
now like the comedy fucking empire that'll
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probably it already is but how big it will be possibly in
10 years it's exciting. That's cool, man.
Well, congratulations on all of it. And, um, thank you for having me
out. We had a, I had a blast tattooing, I had a blast going to the show. Appreciate all
of it. And now you are here in San Diego. By
the way, everybody, we, we weren't able to finish the whole tattoo. It's relatively large
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piece, half his outer arm. Um, and we're
going to finish it today. So he's like, Hey, you're going to come down.
You're here at the American comedy club. Yep. Right. Did a show. What is
thursday friday and you have one tonight two shows tonight two shows yesterday and
one show yeah they all sold out to which is great and what's insane is,
i didn't even know this like we did not plan this but
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like the other big comedy club in town obviously is the comedy store
in la jolla right, tony was there all weekend. So our
same fans, like, you know, like I was like, you know, you split
them apart and we all sold out both of our, all
of our shows, you know, and we were against each other. So that just shows you like how ridiculous
Fuck yeah. Well, there's a lot of momentum around all of this and
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especially Kill Tony right now. So it doesn't shock me whatsoever. Well so
you're here we're gonna do this but i want to back this up a little bit so
for everyone listening like i said earlier on i did joe's sleeves
brian was there and this is interesting to me because i
i honestly didn't really understand what you were doing at the time yeah
i now know you were doing you were starting this you
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stream stuff so you You know, just to back it up even further, you
were doing some of this stuff for other, correct me if I'm wrong, I guess, for other comics.
I believe the first was Doug Stanhope. Yeah. And then Joe
kind of saw you making these videos and taking them on live stream platforms,
like, hey, why don't you do this with me? Then when I was tattooing Joe, I didn't
know what you were doing, but that's what you were doing while you were sitting there
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hanging out. And I didn't think much of it. I'm just like, you know, Joe's
a comedian. He's got a lot going on. This guy helps him with all that, whatever
that is. But it's just so fascinating to me
that it grew to what it is today. And this is a big statement, but
I believe this is true. Like obviously in times of history, really
unique things happen and some one person might
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be responsible for that invention or that copyright or something. And,
you know, if you were to wait long enough, somebody else probably would
have done it. I mean, technology was growing. Ustream, now
Twitch, was happening. Somebody, but the reality, and
that doesn't matter, the truth of it is you got Joe
really interested in this. You and him started trucking this thing
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along. It now turns into the what everyone at the biggest podcast
in the world, it's inspired how many thousands of other
podcasts. But the real part of this that I think is fascinating is
if you think about the social impact of
not just Joe's show, but all these different shows that have been inspired
by him to do, think about the global social
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impact on everything from politics to religion, to science,
it's massive. And it's not done. Okay. Cause
as we were talking about earlier, like, So how do you get
truth anymore? Like we, none of us trust network television or what's
the, what they're telling us being a major news media. So a
lot of us are doing what I do. I go on, I listen to interviews with people and I
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try to meet people and do it one-on-one if I can. But if I can't, I'm doing that.
So really, if you unwind this whole thing, you, Brian
Redman, change the history of fucking planet
earth forever. Yeah
i know you're not i knew you wouldn't like me saying that and you'll probably go
ahead just just just just say na na na but uh
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i believe that's true and somebody else again somebody else that had done
it but it kind of was like the the epitest moments of this movement
Yeah. You know, doing the podcast or doing the YouTube shows
and stuff like that, you know, there was already people podcasting when we started, but
it wasn't comedians. It wasn't on the, on the level of
that, that, that Joe does his show now and
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stuff like that. Um, when we started doing
that, it was just, us, Joe
wanted a way to talk to his fans. And when YouStream came
out, this isn't, you know, YouTube didn't always let you stream or let you
put long videos on their platform. When YouStream came out,
the idea was like, oh, we could just have Joe in front of a laptop and
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we could like do Q and A's with, you know, Joe's fans and stuff
like that. And we started doing that and it was
great. People loved it. And then one day somebody was like, you
should just record those and take the audio from it and make
it a podcast. And I'm like, I guess I could do that, you know, but you
know, it's the cool thing is that it's live and you're used to. And
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so that's what we started doing. We just started doing the
Ustream so Joe could talk to people, do some Q&As and
stuff like that. And then I would put it up as a podcast.
And then overnight, it was like, whoa, wait, that podcast
just got 100,000 downloads in a day. Then
the second one, well, that one got 200,000. And Then every
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week, Joe would be like, let's go to the electronics store. Let's upgrade our
microphone. Let's upgrade. And every week we would have
new equipment. And then, so we were slowly upgrading
everything. And that's why the first 50 episodes,
every week seemed like there was a new camera or something different. And,
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uh, yeah, and it's grown into like a wholly different,
you know, than what it, what it started off to be. Then immediately it was like, oh,
wait, Joe should have guests on, you know, we shouldn't, it shouldn't just
be me and Joe talking, you know, the whole time we should have like comedians
on. And then now it's like, we should have, you know, scientists,
mad scientists and all these amazing people. But yeah, I
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mean, it's, I think one of the biggest things that
I think that, I don't know if I agree with you that
like I changed the world or anything like that, but I would say that one
thing I definitely did that I'm proud of is when that
show started becoming so big, I was like,
man, look how awesome this is for Joe, because you know, Joe
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can now tell all these hundreds of thousands of people, like,
hey, I'm going to be in town next week in Chicago, you know? And that's
what we used to do when you're a comedian. You used to go on
the road and then you'd go like a day early so you can do morning radio.
And then you would do these stupid morning radio shows, you know,
and it just- To try to get people to know I'm here. Come see me
today. So when I saw how powerful it was for that
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aspect, I was like, man, there's all these people, like Tom
Segura, like Tom, you should start, we
should do a podcast for you so you can get your
tour dates out there. I think it's really gonna help." So I went to Tom, I
went to Joey Diaz, Ari Shafir, and I was like, then
I started podcasts for them. And this is your death squad project. Yeah,
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and that's something that I had never heard of before, doing a podcast network,
which nowadays it's pretty common. like your mom's house studios,
you know, and uh, dear media and all that stuff. But
I, I had this thing called desk squad, which was an umbrella. It
was pretty much, I made all these podcasts for all my friends and
I would put it under one name on iTunes. So if
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you want to listen to your mom's house, you just subscribe to that one
podcast and then I will throw in all my other podcasts in there.
So you automatically get turned on to like Ari Shaffir's, you know, it
was just a way to, help promote everyone together as a family. Stronger
Yeah. And it worked. And I mean, like immediately all the,
all the podcasts I did took off and they grew big. I mean,
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Your Mom's House was one of the biggest podcasts today, you know, also. So
it, uh, yeah, that's, that's, that, that
was, those were exciting times, you know? And I, I
pretty much just paid for everything too, which is kind of, looking
back, I'm like, God damn, I should have had, you know, I should have told them like, Hey, if I do this,
I get 10%. or something because I was just like... Being
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cool. Yeah, I was just being cool, like taking all my money, any extra
money I had, and I made the studios, I bought
all the cameras, I edited every single one of them. So
I was working for Joe full time, and then
on my time off, I was doing all these other podcasts. Damn.
I had zero life during this time, because I was doing at
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one point, 11 podcasts a week.
And you're doing all the editing. And I'm doing all the editing. Jesus, dude. All that stuff. Yeah,
it was... How many years did that... That went on for a while. Doing
Yeah. And then when I started
Kill Tony, which was about 10 years ago, I
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remember going, all right, I will do this podcast. Like,
he had an idea, I had an idea, and we kind of put our ideas together that
made Kill Tony. And this was the first time I'm like, look, I'm
50-50. We're partners 50-50 if
I do this, because I'm all these other podcasts, you know, like
I build them up and then they leave me and, you know, and I'm just like, well,
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what about me? And I'm like this one though, we're 50-50 and
we did a handshake deal and we've been partners 50-50
ever since. But, uh, I told when, when we started Kill
Tony, I'm like, look, I'm not going to do any, I'm going to
drop all these other podcasts I'm doing. I just want to focus my energy on
one podcast and especially now that I'm 50 50 with you. And
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that's when I started only doing like two
podcasts a week and one was kill Tony and I focused all
my energy just on kill Tony. Like, yeah. So, uh, and
I think that really helped because you know, I wasn't strung
out from all these other shows and stuff like that. And I got to focus
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Yeah. Dude, I was just thinking of you back then. I know a little bit
about this from my show and what goes into just one
episode of this show. And I got like three people in
the background working on that shit. You're doing 11 fucking shows. You're
still on the JRE. Yeah. Did you get into
Like physically, mentally? I did. Right
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about the time we started Kill Tony is when I kind of snapped
and I'm like, I can't do this anymore. My brain is just, exhausted
from all this and stress, like I had no time off. And
plus it was just having a studio, cause I had a studio too
and having to maintain that studio and it
was just too much. And so I, I did. And then after
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for a while, I just didn't do anything for like months. Like
I'm like, I'm only going to, yeah, just kind of, yeah, exactly.
Recovery healing, healing the fucking battle wounds,
man. Yeah. Fuck, dude, that's crazy. I didn't understand how
it all, that's cool how you explained that. I didn't know you did all
that for so, but you know, that's such a classic story
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of success, right? I mean, I don't know anybody. I mean, yeah,
there's some people I know that just were born into the right places, whatever.
Unicorn moments do happen. But most people I know that have something
rad in their lives that have done well, they have a five to
10 year horror story like that. Kudos
to you for fucking just putting your head down and getting it done. It's hard work Yeah,
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it just and you're both in the kind of the industry where what
we do that doesn't look like work to anyone, right? You know like
I can never complain to anyone at a bar or
restaurant like I'm just kind of tired of it They just look at me like fuck
You know, I fucking run a Geico insurance Okay, I'll
show you what work actually is motherfucker I'm like, no, it's work, dude. I
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work my ass. I'm lucky now, I'm 33 years in and things
are more under control now. But yeah, I have my 10, 15 years
like that. Seven days a week, fucking 12 hours a day. So
I love that stuff. I love a self-made grinding that
gets in. And in the greatest country in the world where you
can grind like that and there's success to
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be had here. Pitching about america you
know it's funny i was just telling you earlier i just had a guest on the show from sweden and
dude he told me. It's cashless there he like
to the point where he brought up money to dinner one night and
literally people were like whoa whoa where did you get that
money wow kind of like what are you a fucking drug dealer like if
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you have money cash you're kinda like a sketchy person.
And I was like, what's, uh, why is this the COVID, uh,
you know, waves from COVID or something? He's like, no, it's at war. Yeah. I
go, really? Yeah. It's just another moment where
I'm like, man, you don't hear any, you got to talk to people to know what's
really going on anymore. I've never heard that anywhere. Um, but
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anyway, it made me feel like, dude, people bitching, you
know, young people. I meet a lot of young people. I tattoo here. I've got a lot of tattooers, a
lot of young folks, a lot of whining. I hear sometimes about how
rough it is to, to make it in America, and you
know, and I'm just, I don't know, man. There's still so much opportunity here.
If you want to do what you did, what I've done, work hard like
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that, that's badass. But yeah, so
maybe you didn't invent this movement, but
you were certainly part of, an integral part of
what Joe has done and Joe's inspiration is created. And
the impact of that, even today is profound, If
this all keeps going like it's going, what is it going to mean in 10 years,
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20 years? What kind of big arching change will
all that have on the world? I think it's worth
mentioning, you know, and that's fucking badass to be a part of
at the ground level of that thing being birthed. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I do hear that all the time too. Like, you know, I remember listening to
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you when I was in high school, you know, and, and now I
have a YouTube channel and it's great to hear and
all that stuff, you know, it's definitely
Your name might even be like in some history class at a college one day.
You'd be long and dead. They'd be like, Mr. Rithben invented,
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it was part of the, yeah, who knows? I'm joking. Well, on
that note, another thing I, I, you know, knowing you and how you
think, and you know, you're, you love tech, you've always loved tech. Um,
and I am just, and people probably getting sick
of me talking about AI and AI and the show, but I'm just telling you guys right now,
I'll say it again. I personally think it'll be the most
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significant thing to happen in human history period, bigger
than anything that's happened, bigger than discovery of nuclear energy or nuclear
bombs, bigger than a discovery. All that stuff is
big, but, I think this thing, give it five, 10 years,
it's going to be obvious how big this is. So, and then I varying ideas
of why, but what I want to hear kind of from you, a guy that thinks about tech
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all the time, and I know thinks about this stuff. What do you think,
Like, where are we headed here? You know, I
love AI, and I know a lot of people are anti-AI, especially
artists and musicians and stuff like that, but I consider AI just
another massive major tool in the-
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I agree with you, by the way. I do, I'm not anti. Like a
good example, I do a t-shirt company, you know, like, on
top of all these podcasts, by the way, I also had a t-shirt company. Check it out if you're on
YouTube. And when the podcast took off, I, you know, I
remember one time I got on the computer. I was so tired from
doing editing podcasts all day and stuff. I'm like, Oh yeah, I put
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those t-shirts up for sale. 450 orders. Oh,
I got to put all those orders and print out all those labels. And
that was a whole nother job. But for doing a t-shirt company, I'm
always trying to think of new designs and stuff like that. Good
example i took a couple of my designs that
i had drawn in the past fed them into ai
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as i put these two pictures together and make something and it gave
me all these ideas like i never thought i to to put the
cat have this and do that but And then after
it did that, I was like, this is amazing. And then I redrew it, like how
I put it together in my style. But it's such
a nice tool, because it gave me an idea that I hadn't thought
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of. And using it as a tool, so many
artists think they're going to take their job away. I don't necessarily believe that.
I think they're not thinking right about it. They use it
as an idea. It's something to help you out. Or there's
this website called Suno or Sumo for
music or whatever. You could pretty much put, like, write a song about,
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you know, this guy that does tattoos, that doesn't wear pants, and it
Yeah, yeah. And it wrote like a quick ditty. Yeah, yeah, just, and you can make
it, I want it country, I want it rap, you can change the style, you can change the lyrics, but
immediately it shot out three different versions of this idea for a
song. Now, if I was a musician, I would not be scared of
that. I'd be like, oh, listen to that beat. We could redo that beat. I can change
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it up here, tweak this and that, and then I could sing these lyrics
and change the lyrics a little. So I think it's amazing because
as a tool, and I'm not scared, so many people are scared of it, but nowadays
there's AI for everything. Like washing machines come with AI now.
You're, no, you're, you're right. And I have, I actually did this too.
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Like I had this, uh, an art project. I had to do a t-shirt design for Sullen
Clothing, one of my sponsors. Thank you, Sullen. I'm like you, I like, I
lean towards whatever's happening and this is happening. So I,
someone tells me, go to this app, can't remember the name. You can enter any rough sketch
and it'll just spit out like formal, not formal, but like
a more completed art based from the sketch. Yeah. So I throw the
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sketch in and it spits out, I don't know what it was, 15, 20 things. And I
basically saw new novel ideas. It was
still like my style because it worked from the sketch I'd fed it,
but it did the filigree in a way of like, I never really thought about curving it
like that. I never really thought about adding that many layers. So I got these new novel
ideas. I then took that into my iPad and I'm from there,
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manipulated it further. And then at the end is that PCC hanging on the
wall back there. So I agree with you. Yeah. That is absolutely
true to have this novelty generator to a
degree. But I would say, I mean, we're kind of talking about
it as it stands now. Now. Right. I'm like, because
I'm, what it's doing now is so fucking good. Like,
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what is it, if it can do this, Can't it just, I
mean, can't it write the most hilarious comedy
You would think. But that is the one thing that AI still
When it gets comedy, isn't that a sign of sentience? To
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understand comedy might be the biggest, what do they call that test? The
Kern test? There's some tests they do on computers to prove whether or not
That would be one of the big tests on that. It's funny because as
a comedian, that's one thing I think every comedian's probably tried.
Because there's always that one joke that you have. I have a
joke, and the end of the joke I just have never
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liked. And I've never thought of a good end of this joke. Or
I have an end, but it's just not, I feel like there's something more to it.
So obviously when AA first came out, that's one thing I was like, ah,
right, you know, write a better end to this, you know, or here's, here's
the whole idea of the joke. And it like,
you know, whatever it learns off of it, they must like feed it like
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laffy taffy jokes or you know what I mean? Uh, or
Currently. And it was just so bad. Like it
was cheesy. It was just like, I mean, I agree. I figured you'd
say that. So I don't think, I mean, it
would be cool though. If in the future, if it, if it
got comedy, but I almost wonder if that's something that
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like, no, it will never be a hundred percent. Like,
like that, that would be the way to find out if you're talking to AI or not. Like,
uh, tell me a joke. Is this, are you AI? No,
Right, how to test, how to test. And if it's a shitty joke, you're like fucking busted.
You're AI, you fucking robot. I don't know. I guess
what we're really getting at here is... soul. Like, you
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know, can a, I don't know, maybe we have souls. I
think we have souls. I've got my, you do too. Okay. I think there,
what is a soul? It's something beyond physical world. A
computer can never have a soul. I don't care how smart it gets. Right?
Right. So then the question would become, no matter how smart this shit
gets, Will it ever be able to do as
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good as a human at really novel
creative stuff, comedy, writing a beautiful screenplay, a
I don't know. I don't know. I do
think that there's a point where AI is way better than
human. I forget what it was. They
recently fed AI some
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disease or something like that, and it immediately like, oh, this is
the cure, just do this. I'm surprised they haven't done it
to cancer yet. They probably have. I don't want anyone to know the
fucking answer yet. Exactly. But
there's things like that where I'm like, oh, that's what's the best, AI doing that.
Oh, fuck yeah, dude. It's going to be able to. That's the other part, the
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layer to this is, From my, you know, philosophical
understanding of it is like, well, theoretically this thing, probably
now, but let's just be fair about this, five years from now, should
be able to solve most current world issues. I
mean, aside from humans fucking trying to kill each other all the time,
I don't know quite how to fix that one. But you need some fresh water in Uganda? It'll
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Yeah. Some weird shit. They're like, fuck, you know, or disease
or all of it. And I know Joe said this before and I agree with
him. It's like, I just don't know if the powers that large would
allow this to happen, but a really sophisticated AI
Yeah, we talked about this on JRE where having that be the president, just
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Just program it. Every decision you make is for the greater good of the
Go. But then you wonder if AI is going to slowly start adding
Now we're going to that, yeah, and we got to go here too. We got to go to the dark side. Terminator. Well,
you know, people always go, yeah, Terminators, you know, the robots come, they kill
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us all. It makes a lot of sense. I mean, if this thing gets smart enough, looks
at planet Earth, we kind of look like a problem. We kind of are a problem. We're
kind of fucking a lot of shit up. Yeah, probably would make sense to maybe get
rid of us or get control of us or something like that. But I
think Previous to that, the bigger
fear I have is its ability to help somebody
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make a bioweapon. You know, before the robots come
storming through the streets, I think what we could possibly see is
just a small group off somewhere gets a powerful AI, a large language
model, and is able to build this new disease or this new
type of bomb. Then the AI helps it design the
best delivery systems. And suddenly, boom, a
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terrorist attack could go to, you know, where can it go? That's the evil
side. Because it can cure cancer over here, and it
can kill two million people over here. I'm a little shocked
we haven't seen any major terrorist thing
happen that isn't linked back yet. Right. To this stuff.
Yeah. Because they said like, what is it, Facebook's, I forget the name of
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theirs. I think it was Fa- Fa- Meta. They like released,
open coded this shit. Yeah. Which is a little shocking too.
That they would do that. Yeah, there's a reason somewhere that we don't know about for
Yeah, yeah. Why would you do that? I don't know. Fucking weird shit going
on, man. Well, we're going to, you know, I
hear Joe say this, I couldn't agree more. Every time he says it, I thought this is the same time.
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I think this is probably the coolest time to ever be alive. If you're interested
in exciting new things, because we're right fucking
in the middle of it, man, this next 10 years is going to get buck
Yeah, it is crazy also, going back to the second, that AI
It's not like we had 10 years of like AI.1, .2, you
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know, like versions of it. Just one day it was like, this is
AI, guys. And it already seemed done. Like immediately, wait.
You just made a photo out of using just a prompt here. Right.
I thought that was weird. It's almost like, wait a second. Why
is this such a finished product immediately?
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Right. That makes me think of like, maybe aliens are
real. And they're trying to help us. And then maybe this
is their, like, you know, given this, this idea of
how to do this, it'll propagate, it'll grow. And then
it'll slowly help them dig themselves out of this fucking hole
they've gotten themselves into, maybe. Because it did show up pretty refined. I
remember when I first got chat TBT, I thought the same thing. I'm like, I
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still can't figure it out, dude. How it can, now I understand how
I ask a question. The answer to my question is based on
its ability. It's already read everything relevant to my question.
It just compiles all that and gives me the best answer it
can. But the speed at which it does it, I don't fucking understand.
It's like one second. How does it go through eight
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million pages of literature to give me my answer in
And it's so confident, too. That's another thing, though, you have to watch out
for because it's so confident on its answer. You
believing that is it's kind of because it can be wrong. Yeah, because
there's like I use it a lot for art, you know, like, you know, well,
no, I like I'll tell it like, hey, no, I want a cat with
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a hat on like a ball cap. And then I'll
put like a top hat. I'm like, no, that's a top hat. I
want a ball cap. Then he's like, well, here is, I apologize. This
is actually a better photo that has a ball cap, not
a top hat. I'm like, no, that's still a top hat. Oh, I'm sorry. Let
me try harder. And it's like, it doesn't know, like it keeps on
saying, here's the proper thing. I'm like, no, it's
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not. And when you get like answers, like, you know, what can cure,
you know, if I scratch myself with a cat, like, what should I do? Put vinegar
Yeah, important that you can't just, and it is, when
you open up that program, there's a big part of everybody, including me,
that wants to take it as like the Bible. The
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smartest thing in the world just told me that's what's going on, that must be what's going
Yeah, and that's kind of dangerous because of its confidence, you
Well, and then you get, if the nefarious characters of
the world really want to fuck with us, they get us totally hooked on this shit, get
it fixed to where it's mostly right almost all the time, and
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then just start plugging in their answers to the questions when
Yeah. Yeah. They're on the other side going, all right, give it a
very good AI answer, but make sure you say thermonuclear wars.
Right. Whatever they want us to do. Yeah. No, the, that,
the power, its ability, like we already see how powerful fucking propaganda
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can be. I mean, during the whole, What
do we call it? Germ. Germ. Germ. Yeah. I
couldn't believe it, man. When they were like, we're going to make everybody do A, B and C.
I was like, yeah, good luck with that. The fucking people I hang out with, they're going to tell
you to fuck yourself. And there I was standing in the middle of
a lot of people being, I was like, man, that was a hell of a propaganda campaign.
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You guys crushed it. I want to, can I hire this ad
agency for my business? Jesus Christ. But you get
everyone's trust in this thing and addicted to it. Just like with cell phones,
like I have it. I use it all the time. It's super helpful. I
wrote a whole introduction to my last art show. I was in a pinch. I forget.
They're like, we need you to write this. It was a tattoo bodysuit art
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show. Very weird. Oblique. I just said that. And
it wrote, I think I changed three words. I sent it to my people
that are doing all the printing and they were like, that's beautiful. I told him, I
couldn't do it. I was like, hey, I did it. It was awesome, we used
it. So it's so functional, it's so easy to get addicted to it, because it's so helpful. And
so you get everybody get on it, everyone just builds trust for this thing, and then
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you just start inserting real clever points where
you steer people where you want them to go. I try
not to, I'm a positive, I believe everything's perfect,
it always will be. I believe in a soul, I believe in reincarnation. Fuck it,
let's go, but I have what
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Wait till we take AI though and put it in realistic robots,
you know, this robot sex dolls or whatever. That's what I'm
waiting for. Like being able to have somebody that follows you around. Like this
Yeah. Well, dude, you know, it's sort of sounds
like a joke, but it isn't. I know you agree, if
they build a female, like relatively,
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and with the AI, all that in there, dude, some
people are never ever, they're just gonna die in their houses. They're
With some fucking AI robot just pounding on them still, and his heart's already
Oh, it's gonna change. I mean, that's an extreme example, People's
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behaviors, they're gonna change. People currently
still go outside and still like to go hiking and there's a lot of
things we still like to do as humans. A lot of people are gonna stop all that
They're close too, right? You look at what Tesla's
doing with their robot. It looks like a robot still,
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but how it's finger movements and being able to pick stuff up.
And that came out of nowhere. So 10 years,
I would even say maybe five. They'll get some models
The real girl company is going to mix
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Yeah, those guys. I tattooed the owner of that company years ago.
I mean, fuck, 15 years ago. And he was showing me
what they did. And I remember just thinking, you're fucking nuts, dude. Who
the fuck's buying this? I think they were like $8,000 and shit. And,
I've almost bought one of those so many times, just not to
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Yeah, no, for my studio, I wanted to have it always sitting in one of the chairs, you
know, or something like that. Thought that would be cool, just like, hey,
Every once in a while you get a real special friend, you're like, go ahead, take her
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Yeah. But you take that, that thing and you get the, the, the robotics in
it and you get the AI mind in it. Ooh, that's going to be a
social shift. Like we have never seen, man. That's the next thing. Wow. Oh,
and you know, I'd like to believe, we keep saying women, but I
Not at all. No. Or because of, you know, the, all
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the, what's going on in the world with, you know, whatever, you
could just unscrew the dick if you need to have the vagina, you know
You can just add parts to it. You can make it a he, she,
they, them, whatever kind of robot turns you on,
man, whatever social, where are you? No, yeah, that's
They will have that as well. Can you tuck the boobs in? Boobs,
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I want to have a dick and a vagina. Yeah. Actually, two
dicks, one vagina. Yeah. Oh, wow. All
right. Well. That's kind of what I know. We
got some tat too. I know you got a show to do tonight. I've got a flight to
catch. We got some tatting to do. Heck yeah. So before
we close this up, maybe I just want to say what's, I want to say what's
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next, but you, what is next? I mean, I know that right now
It's blowing up. It's getting bigger. We
might have some huge news about it
soon that I really can't talk about. Oh, interesting. But
yeah, that's the big thing, man. Just Kill
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I've been to it. It's dope. I actually tattooed Brian in the back. It was dope. So
if you're in Austin, definitely check it out. Obviously check out Kill
Tony if you're in Austin. Or figure out where they're headed next. I
know they're they're touring. So I don't know where that's gonna take you I can't wait
to find out what this your face right now. You got me intrigued Mad
scientist faced over there. Yeah, cool And so we where can people find
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DeathSquad.tv is the best that has all my everything
links to my merch Comedy Club all
the Kill Tony episodes and stuff like that. But yeah, that's the big point Cool,
Super appreciate it. All you guys that have been watching the show that are giving me the likes that
are sharing the show that are subscribing, you know, I need
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it. Keep them coming. And the ones that are doing that, thank you so much.
I have a blast doing it. And with all that being said, stay tuned because
We take AI though and put it in realistic robots, you
know, this robot sex dolls or whatever. That's what I'm
waiting for. Like being able to have somebody that follows you around. Like this
Yeah. Well, dude, you know, it's sort of sounds
like a joke, but it isn't. I know you agree, if
they build a female, like relatively,
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and with the AI, all that in there, dude, some
people are never ever, they're just gonna die in their houses. They're
With some fucking AI robot just pounding on them still, and his heart's already
Shit's about to
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go down. Chats and Tatts
Hello, friends, lovers of tattoos and art
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and creativity. Welcome back to Chats and Tats with me, your host,
Aaron Dell of Adobe. Today is a really special day. I
don't know, man, 2009, I'm guessing. I had
the honor of doing some big sleeves on Joe Rogan. And
during that time, this guy was his right hand man. And we
hung out for many hours and became friends. and recently
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i was lucky enough to go to austin and see all the bad shit he
is doing i'm not giving the name yet cuz i want you guys to try to guess a little
bit but and other than that he's
a comedian he is, i
guess the producer of many famous podcast has his own podcast
is a comedy club in austin sunset strip
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comedy club, He's been in movies. He's done a
ton of shit. Super rad dude. Super creative dude. And
we're going to be tattooing him on the show today. So with all that being said, please
welcome my guest today, Brian Redman. How are you doing, buddy?
I'm good. I'm good. Dude, I am. I'm
super pumped. I mean, not just because obviously tattooing Joe is a
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big highlight of my career. We're still friends. Love Joe on
a personal level. Love what he's done with his show and what the effect
it's had on the world. But it's just a, I don't know,
full circle moment when you called me up and you're like, you want to get a real tattoo.
Yeah. And and I got to go to Austin and of course, see
the Kill Tony show. Yes. That guy is a roast specialist,
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Yeah, absolutely. I would never, ever think to ever try to
outwit him when it comes to roasting. I watch, like
we have a lot of people come on the show and that's one thing, you know, these comics, the
show, you know, open micers put their name in a bucket and
they do one minute of material. And a lot of people like think,
oh, you know, I'm funnier than Tony. And so they just spend their minute trying
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to roast Tony. And I've seen it so many times and I'm like, oh,
this is, here we go. This is going to be great. Cause then, The minute's
over and then it's just Tony destroying this person for like 20 minutes.
Guns have been drawn. That would be not
I would just be praying he didn't fuck with me. He
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loves it. When he sees that, he's like, oh, it's like a wounded deer. You know, like, ha
Blood in the water. No, the show I went to,
there was a lady off to your guys' right, and he fucking went on
That was so witty, I'm like, and I'm, I don't know, I'm thinking of the woman, I'm
like, I wonder if she's just, probably just a paying customer, just like taking it,
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you know? But I guess when you go to that show, You know what you're getting into. You're getting
into it. But on that note, I mean, we're
gonna get into how everything led up to this point, but this is like a pinnacle
moment in your career, I would think, with this show. And you
When is that one? That's next month, in a couple weeks, we
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got two shows. Jesus, dude. In Staples Center, I
think? Yeah, we did the YouTube Theater, we did whatever the
I don't even know what it's called now in LA. Yeah,
we just started recently doing arenas. That's how crazy the
show has gotten. Like our last episode, which came out Monday,
is our most viewed episode of all time. It's, I think,
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That's what Shane Gillis is doing. Shane Gillis, Trump, and Adam Reyes.
I haven't seen it because I couldn't catch it Monday night live, but what's
the deal? I got to wait a week before I get to see it because I tried to look it up and it wouldn't come
Oh, it's up now. We put up a new episode every Monday. So
you film on a Monday, live. We film on a Monday, and then we
usually have like one or two weeks where we edit it,
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or I edit it. So you won't see that one usually for a couple weeks. Couple
weeks, right, yeah. But this one, we filmed it. It
was so funny that I was like, we should
just release this next week, ditch all the other ones,
because it was so funny. And I'm so glad we did that, because
I had already finished editing it, and then the thing
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happened. And I was just like, oh my God, this is perfect timing for our
Well, Shane, dude, his Trump voice is uncanny.
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And if you're into that kind of stuff go check him out it's so funny because you watch
that episode and his trump is so good and so silly that
it makes you like if you're not a trump fan you'll you'll end
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up being like i love trump. Like that character, you know, I
That's nuts though that you guys had that show. I didn't do
the math on this. You guys had that show planned before the attempted assassination.
No, we were excited about it because it was Tony and
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Adam Ray got together and they thought of this idea to do this. And
I was excited because I learned when we filmed it,
like a day later, I heard that Biden was coming to Austin, Texas
the following Monday. And he was going to do all these interviews
with NBC and Dateline. They were advertising it
like, Biden, one-on-one interview this Monday. And I was
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like, oh, this is hilarious. He's being interviewed by NBC next
Monday. We're releasing that episode next Monday. We're going to make it
seem like he's going to be on the show, because it's going to
say he's in Austin, Texas right now. And we were excited about
that. And then when the assassination happened, we're like, oh my god, this is even crazier. Now
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The assassination didn't happen, you know? They
were just talking about that, like, I just can't get over how fucking
Guy takes a ladder and a fucking assault
rifle, walks into the, uh, wherever the
hell it was. Where was it? I can't even remember. wherever it was, you know,
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Secret Service, all there, puts the ladder on a building, climbs
And it wasn't like it was like crazy far away. It was literally the
building right in front of the stage. Like how is this not
It's like the place you'd want to be. Yeah. Like Secret Service
is like, okay, if we want someone to kill the president, we should leave that roof
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open for them. Yeah. That's reserve seating up there. Exactly. VIP
balcony right there. And then I think I heard some, one of the people who represents, uh,
is it, am I saying that right? Secret service or is it presidential security? I think it's secret
service. Secret service. They were saying, um, why didn't you have anybody up there?
And the woman was like, well, that rope, that, that roof was slanted. So
we didn't feel it was safe. I'm like, what? Do you realize how
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fucking stupid you sound? Right. My kids can play on that
Yeah. That's fishy
I don't want YouTube to shut me down, so I won't go too deep on this, but my
antennas are up, dude. That is weird. Well, that's
rad. And I will watch that. In fact, I got to, I don't know, tonight or whatever. I
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got to catch that one. I've had a few people call me up and be like, have you seen the new one with
But on that note, this show starts off, whatever it
was, and it's grown to this beast. And it's just interesting to
me, you know, obviously it's, people love it. I'm
trying to figure out in my own head, like, what is it that people love so much about this show? I
mean, I've been to the show. I get it. It's funny as hell. And I don't know
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if I'm right about this, but I guess to me, it's like this two
things. Everyone loves to see a nobody maybe
get a chance in life. Like everyone roots for that guy. Like
maybe this fucker. can do it. And everybody loves
spontaneous, authentic content, right? You can't
really write it. You can't plan it. It's just gotta go the way
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it goes. I think, would you agree it's those two ingredients that make
Yeah, absolutely. That and just uncensored comedy,
which is harder and harder to come by. You know, I mean,
like you look at what's being fed to
you nowadays, you know, when it comes to comedy. And it's like Saturday
Night Live where it's just edited and it's very left, you
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know, and all that stuff. And it doesn't represent what standup comedy
is. And there really isn't anything that's, you know, it used to be back in
the day, it used to be getting on The Tonight Show, Johnny Carson. And
even that, you know, that was censored for TV. So when people are
finally now seeing, you know, we don't
censor everything and it's just raw standup comedy, I
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think that too, like appeals, like this is the real stuff,
what's going on at the comedy clubs. And this is what people are really talking
about. And it's also keeping comedy alive
in some, cause you know, comedy gets attacked all the
time. You know, in Canada, somebody joked about, I
forget, like somebody in a wheelchair or something like that. And he got fined
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like a hundred thousand dollars. Like Canada is a mess right now,
but. You know, censoring comedy is become more
and more lately with all the wokeness and stuff like that. And so
like a show like this, it's like, fuck you. We're going to do what we
want to do. We're going to not censor anything. We're going to
talk about what we want to do. uh, and improve that, you know,
comedy and standup comedy. That's what's great about it
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is the freedom of speech. And if it's funny, it's funny, you know, it's not,
it's not about hate. If there's a joke there, it's a joke, you
So it seems so simple to you and me. I mean, I'm just shocked at
the people in the world that would literally take that literally.
Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's calm. We're there. Anything goes,
you can make, if you say in the front, these are jokes, that
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should be okay. That's it. And the fact that people really, is that why at
Yeah. That's, that's how, that's how it should be at every
comedy club. I was going to ask you, it's not. It's not. No, like
we do it at my comedy club and Joe does at his. A lot of
comics now, uh, when they're on the road, they'll bring
the things to lock it up or they'll hire a local company to do
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that for them. And it needs to happen at more comedy clubs. The
place I played last night, it's not that. I kind
of didn't even think about it, because I'm so used to everyone's phones
being locked up, but then I'm like, oh God. And of course. You had
to become more guarded. Yeah, more guarded. And of course, you're looking out and
you see somebody with their phone out. I'm like, great. I'm
in the middle of telling a joke, so I can't stop and be like, hey, can you make
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sure that person's not recording video? It changes the show. It
Well, yeah, because if you're gonna riff a little and just intuitively
say the next funny thing, but you got phones on you in today's
world, that's going to change your whole vibe. Like you're going
to be like, oh shit. And then the ability for somebody to
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just take that little piece of what you said and just make you
Or just throwing it on, you know, you have a new joke as a comic and
you put it out there and like, oh, I'm working on this new joke, you know, and
I'm gonna record a special for Netflix in a couple months or something like that.
And then some guy in the audience takes that joke when you're not even done
with it, puts it up on TikTok, gets millions of views. And
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you're like, not great now that I can't do that joke on Netflix. Everyone knows about it. It's a
horrible version of I've been working on this joke for like a month, you
know? And it's them getting likes
It's crazy. I never even considered that.
I first thought it was like, oh, they just don't want people's fucking phones going off. But
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That's not even the main thing of it. Well, not to mention that what you said, like getting
Well, here's a good example. This happened to us. It happened to Tony. Tony had,
we knew this guy, this comic, and Tony, he was
Chinese. And he used to open up for tony
once in a while like you did new year's eve with tony and stuff like that we knew this
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guy he was like you open for tony. And
you're at a show i think was my actually was my secret show that i
do every thursday and he went on stage and
just did this thing about. Like the Chinese comic did this thing
about like Americans, you know, and they do this, white people
do that and stuff like that. And Tony was to follow him. And so Tony
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knows him. So he's just like, Oh, he's saying white people, this white, blah, blah.
So he went up and just did like, and it was, it sounded like,
Oh God, that's crazy racist. Right. But that comic
wanted clout, or he wanted to get
his name out there. So he had been recording his
set. And then when Tony started doing all this stuff about him, he
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kept it recording. He took just Tony going on
stage, doing all this racist stuff, put it online, Tony
gets canceled he gets dropped from his agents like like
i mean it was so crazy in just a couple days
it was on tmz it was all over the news tony
got canceled overnight i mean i remember tony calling me
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and i his you could hear it in his voice like he was just been sleeping and
miserable oh man you know and I was like, fuck, this
is it. The show is probably over. Even Rogan called
me up and goes, well, maybe me and you could do a text show
together or something. We were like, all right, Kill Tony's over.
All this hard work for 10 years. But then Ari
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Shaffir, we got ahold
of, somebody recorded the whole, at the club, recorded the whole show.
So Ari, we were like, what do we do? He's
like, you know what, I'm just gonna put this on my YouTube, the uncut, uncensored version
of Tony, his set, and then his set right
after, just because there was no context of Tony
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being a racist. And when you see how like, you know, he was making fun
of white people and stuff like that, and then Tony was just rolling off that joke
of, you know, oh, making fun of Roy Mabel, you know, then immediately,
the table turned and it looked like oh this guy was just being an asshole
he knew what he was doing you know this comic and then it ended up
him getting cancelled. Over in
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three days it went from tony being cancelled to now this guy's
being cancelled to, Tony getting canceled was one of the biggest things that
happened to Tony. Like it changed his career overnight because everyone saw
like, wow, you know, uh, look what this guy did to another comic.
And I think right after that happens when Kill Tony really
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Like they say, no such thing. All press is
good press or however they put that. Exactly. Yeah, fuck
man. I didn't I didn't know that story You know the sad part
to me is that anyone gets cancelled for any of it period though, right? I mean again,
you're in a comedy show. Yeah, and it should just be no holds
barred. You're you're voluntarily there Yeah, I mean,
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you know like if I go in here these guys might make jokes about black people
or Chinese or me Yeah, it doesn't matter everything's free game
and comedy and the fact that it even gets there disturbs a
shit out of me it seems I don't know, anti-American or
Yeah. It's usually the people that get upset at, I've never been to a
comedy club or they've been to like a clean comic that, you
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know, like, Oh, I saw Seinfeld, you know, or something like that. It's
like, and those people are always like, Oh, I might sit in the front row. I'm going to
a comedy club. And they are the ones that, that, that, Oh,
he attacked me. Or, you know, he yelled at me and I'm where they
heckle and, If you've never been to a
comedy show before, if you're unsure, if you're going to get upset, don't sit
in the front couple rows, sit in the back. So if you want to leave, you can leave
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Yeah. If you're easily offended, if you're that sensitive, that's
Or just stick to the stuff that's on network television. There's plenty of
network television comics that are all buttoned down just for
you. And I'll just say this out loud. Anybody that goes to a comedy show
and gets that offended, You're a fucking nerd. You
are a fucking nerd. Get away from me.
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God damn. You got a better laugh, people. You got a
better laugh at yourself. You got a better laugh at your friends. I
don't know. On this note, on a philosophical level, that's something
I'm coming, and I know this is something you've talked about, and everyone's probably more aware
of it in the comedy world, but it's, It really is the last beacon
of sort of like free speech in a weird way. Like
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the frontier of being able to, because you
can talk maybe about a sensitive political subject that if
you put it in the context of a joke, you can talk about it. But
if you go somewhere and you want to talk, talk about it, seriously talk about it. I mean, who
shuts you down when you do that? You know, YouTube demonetizes you and
all these things happen. Yeah, that's kind of, that's
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kind of cool to think of it that way, you know, that there's, and maybe that's
Am I right? Yeah. It goes, it's ups and downs, you know, it's
always has, you know, where comedy is really popular or comedy is kind
of dying. And right now I think it's the biggest it's ever been right
Well, especially with Austin, the shining light down
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in Austin. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's probably in
part just all this like cancel culture stuff.
This is the counter reaction to that. People are like, fuck, man, you can't
even listen to videos on your phone without them somehow being
curated. And then comedy becomes more appealing to
go to that stuff. That's pretty rad. Well, I
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hope you guys continue. I mean, you guys, I mean, I was
just down in Austin. What a sight to behold that all the
club, your club, which was bitching, you know, of course the mothership, creaking
cave. It's just like, are there other cities with that much comedy so
I mean, New York is the closest I can think of, you know, even LA
where LA is, it's, you know, it's always been New York and LA
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being like, and maybe Chicago being the comedy. you
know cities but l.a. is so spread out you know you there's
one comedy club here and while the other comedy club closest one
is like a mile away it takes 15 minutes in l.a. to get there right
but this is that literally like my clubs right next door to joe's club
and there's a club across the street you know it is
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one of the best setups for comedy. New York is kind of like that,
but also it also is kind of more spread
out where Austin, it's just pretty much you go downtown and
Yeah. That's cool, man. I mean, it. It's getting
Rogan's already talking about buying a theater, you know, like, cause you
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know, or another club and stuff
like that. He's already on plan two of this whole comedy.
He's probably got two, what's going on, I'm sure for him, is there's too many great
Or Kill Tony, look, we do Kill Tony every Monday at
his comedy club, Mothership. We put
out three months worth of shows for
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sale so people could buy tickets at once. They sell out
in less than a minute, all three months. And it's like, we
feel bad because fans are like, dude, at noon,
I was there on the ticket website and it said it sold out. And I'm like, yeah.
So like that, I think it's another thing. Like, I think Joe sees that,
you know, like there's more people that want to see, you
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know, shows than there are seats. So buying a, you know, that's just
the progression of it. Buying a theater next, you know, and have a
200 you don't want to as a person who's worked from the ground up
building this craft to see fans be denied Breaks
your heart. Yeah, you know, that's one of the reasons I built it's different
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but guru was the same thing, you know, I was like Everybody wanted to
get tattooed and we didn't have it. That's like I'll just make another one. Yeah You
love these people that I don't exist without these fans with these these
people who love my work same with you Yeah, that's cool. I
do. Yeah, so Wow it'll be interesting like 10 years from
now like the comedy fucking empire that'll
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probably it already is but how big it will be possibly in
10 years it's exciting. That's cool, man.
Well, congratulations on all of it. And, um, thank you for having me
out. We had a, I had a blast tattooing, I had a blast going to the show. Appreciate all
of it. And now you are here in San Diego. By
the way, everybody, we, we weren't able to finish the whole tattoo. It's relatively large
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piece, half his outer arm. Um, and we're
going to finish it today. So he's like, Hey, you're going to come down.
You're here at the American comedy club. Yep. Right. Did a show. What is
thursday friday and you have one tonight two shows tonight two shows yesterday and
one show yeah they all sold out to which is great and what's insane is,
i didn't even know this like we did not plan this but
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like the other big comedy club in town obviously is the comedy store
in la jolla right, tony was there all weekend. So our
same fans, like, you know, like I was like, you know, you split
them apart and we all sold out both of our, all
of our shows, you know, and we were against each other. So that just shows you like how ridiculous
Fuck yeah. Well, there's a lot of momentum around all of this and
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especially Kill Tony right now. So it doesn't shock me whatsoever. Well so
you're here we're gonna do this but i want to back this up a little bit so
for everyone listening like i said earlier on i did joe's sleeves
brian was there and this is interesting to me because i
i honestly didn't really understand what you were doing at the time yeah
i now know you were doing you were starting this you
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stream stuff so you You know, just to back it up even further, you
were doing some of this stuff for other, correct me if I'm wrong, I guess, for other comics.
I believe the first was Doug Stanhope. Yeah. And then Joe
kind of saw you making these videos and taking them on live stream platforms,
like, hey, why don't you do this with me? Then when I was tattooing Joe, I didn't
know what you were doing, but that's what you were doing while you were sitting there
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hanging out. And I didn't think much of it. I'm just like, you know, Joe's
a comedian. He's got a lot going on. This guy helps him with all that, whatever
that is. But it's just so fascinating to me
that it grew to what it is today. And this is a big statement, but
I believe this is true. Like obviously in times of history, really
unique things happen and some one person might
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be responsible for that invention or that copyright or something. And,
you know, if you were to wait long enough, somebody else probably would
have done it. I mean, technology was growing. Ustream, now
Twitch, was happening. Somebody, but the reality, and
that doesn't matter, the truth of it is you got Joe
really interested in this. You and him started trucking this thing
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along. It now turns into the what everyone at the biggest podcast
in the world, it's inspired how many thousands of other
podcasts. But the real part of this that I think is fascinating is
if you think about the social impact of
not just Joe's show, but all these different shows that have been inspired
by him to do, think about the global social
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impact on everything from politics to religion, to science,
it's massive. And it's not done. Okay. Cause
as we were talking about earlier, like, So how do you get
truth anymore? Like we, none of us trust network television or what's
the, what they're telling us being a major news media. So a
lot of us are doing what I do. I go on, I listen to interviews with people and I
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try to meet people and do it one-on-one if I can. But if I can't, I'm doing that.
So really, if you unwind this whole thing, you, Brian
Redman, change the history of fucking planet
earth forever. Yeah
i know you're not i knew you wouldn't like me saying that and you'll probably go
ahead just just just just say na na na but uh
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i believe that's true and somebody else again somebody else that had done
it but it kind of was like the the epitest moments of this movement
Yeah. You know, doing the podcast or doing the YouTube shows
and stuff like that, you know, there was already people podcasting when we started, but
it wasn't comedians. It wasn't on the, on the level of
that, that, that Joe does his show now and
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stuff like that. Um, when we started doing
that, it was just, us, Joe
wanted a way to talk to his fans. And when YouStream came
out, this isn't, you know, YouTube didn't always let you stream or let you
put long videos on their platform. When YouStream came out,
the idea was like, oh, we could just have Joe in front of a laptop and
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we could like do Q and A's with, you know, Joe's fans and stuff
like that. And we started doing that and it was
great. People loved it. And then one day somebody was like, you
should just record those and take the audio from it and make
it a podcast. And I'm like, I guess I could do that, you know, but you
know, it's the cool thing is that it's live and you're used to. And
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so that's what we started doing. We just started doing the
Ustream so Joe could talk to people, do some Q&As and
stuff like that. And then I would put it up as a podcast.
And then overnight, it was like, whoa, wait, that podcast
just got 100,000 downloads in a day. Then
the second one, well, that one got 200,000. And Then every
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week, Joe would be like, let's go to the electronics store. Let's upgrade our
microphone. Let's upgrade. And every week we would have
new equipment. And then, so we were slowly upgrading
everything. And that's why the first 50 episodes,
every week seemed like there was a new camera or something different. And,
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uh, yeah, and it's grown into like a wholly different,
you know, than what it, what it started off to be. Then immediately it was like, oh,
wait, Joe should have guests on, you know, we shouldn't, it shouldn't just
be me and Joe talking, you know, the whole time we should have like comedians
on. And then now it's like, we should have, you know, scientists,
mad scientists and all these amazing people. But yeah, I
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mean, it's, I think one of the biggest things that
I think that, I don't know if I agree with you that
like I changed the world or anything like that, but I would say that one
thing I definitely did that I'm proud of is when that
show started becoming so big, I was like,
man, look how awesome this is for Joe, because you know, Joe
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can now tell all these hundreds of thousands of people, like,
hey, I'm going to be in town next week in Chicago, you know? And that's
what we used to do when you're a comedian. You used to go on
the road and then you'd go like a day early so you can do morning radio.
And then you would do these stupid morning radio shows, you know,
and it just- To try to get people to know I'm here. Come see me
today. So when I saw how powerful it was for that
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aspect, I was like, man, there's all these people, like Tom
Segura, like Tom, you should start, we
should do a podcast for you so you can get your
tour dates out there. I think it's really gonna help." So I went to Tom, I
went to Joey Diaz, Ari Shafir, and I was like, then
I started podcasts for them. And this is your death squad project. Yeah,
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and that's something that I had never heard of before, doing a podcast network,
which nowadays it's pretty common. like your mom's house studios,
you know, and uh, dear media and all that stuff. But
I, I had this thing called desk squad, which was an umbrella. It
was pretty much, I made all these podcasts for all my friends and
I would put it under one name on iTunes. So if
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you want to listen to your mom's house, you just subscribe to that one
podcast and then I will throw in all my other podcasts in there.
So you automatically get turned on to like Ari Shaffir's, you know, it
was just a way to, help promote everyone together as a family. Stronger
Yeah. And it worked. And I mean, like immediately all the,
all the podcasts I did took off and they grew big. I mean,
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Your Mom's House was one of the biggest podcasts today, you know, also. So
it, uh, yeah, that's, that's, that, that
was, those were exciting times, you know? And I, I
pretty much just paid for everything too, which is kind of, looking
back, I'm like, God damn, I should have had, you know, I should have told them like, Hey, if I do this,
I get 10%. or something because I was just like... Being
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cool. Yeah, I was just being cool, like taking all my money, any extra
money I had, and I made the studios, I bought
all the cameras, I edited every single one of them. So
I was working for Joe full time, and then
on my time off, I was doing all these other podcasts. Damn.
I had zero life during this time, because I was doing at
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one point, 11 podcasts a week.
And you're doing all the editing. And I'm doing all the editing. Jesus, dude. All that stuff. Yeah,
it was... How many years did that... That went on for a while. Doing
Yeah. And then when I started
Kill Tony, which was about 10 years ago, I
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remember going, all right, I will do this podcast. Like,
he had an idea, I had an idea, and we kind of put our ideas together that
made Kill Tony. And this was the first time I'm like, look, I'm
50-50. We're partners 50-50 if
I do this, because I'm all these other podcasts, you know, like
I build them up and then they leave me and, you know, and I'm just like, well,
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what about me? And I'm like this one though, we're 50-50 and
we did a handshake deal and we've been partners 50-50
ever since. But, uh, I told when, when we started Kill
Tony, I'm like, look, I'm not going to do any, I'm going to
drop all these other podcasts I'm doing. I just want to focus my energy on
one podcast and especially now that I'm 50 50 with you. And
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that's when I started only doing like two
podcasts a week and one was kill Tony and I focused all
my energy just on kill Tony. Like, yeah. So, uh, and
I think that really helped because you know, I wasn't strung
out from all these other shows and stuff like that. And I got to focus
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Yeah. Dude, I was just thinking of you back then. I know a little bit
about this from my show and what goes into just one
episode of this show. And I got like three people in
the background working on that shit. You're doing 11 fucking shows. You're
still on the JRE. Yeah. Did you get into
Like physically, mentally? I did. Right
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about the time we started Kill Tony is when I kind of snapped
and I'm like, I can't do this anymore. My brain is just, exhausted
from all this and stress, like I had no time off. And
plus it was just having a studio, cause I had a studio too
and having to maintain that studio and it
was just too much. And so I, I did. And then after
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for a while, I just didn't do anything for like months. Like
I'm like, I'm only going to, yeah, just kind of, yeah, exactly.
Recovery healing, healing the fucking battle wounds,
man. Yeah. Fuck, dude, that's crazy. I didn't understand how
it all, that's cool how you explained that. I didn't know you did all
that for so, but you know, that's such a classic story
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of success, right? I mean, I don't know anybody. I mean, yeah,
there's some people I know that just were born into the right places, whatever.
Unicorn moments do happen. But most people I know that have something
rad in their lives that have done well, they have a five to
10 year horror story like that. Kudos
to you for fucking just putting your head down and getting it done. It's hard work Yeah,
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it just and you're both in the kind of the industry where what
we do that doesn't look like work to anyone, right? You know like
I can never complain to anyone at a bar or
restaurant like I'm just kind of tired of it They just look at me like fuck
You know, I fucking run a Geico insurance Okay, I'll
show you what work actually is motherfucker I'm like, no, it's work, dude. I
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work my ass. I'm lucky now, I'm 33 years in and things
are more under control now. But yeah, I have my 10, 15 years
like that. Seven days a week, fucking 12 hours a day. So
I love that stuff. I love a self-made grinding that
gets in. And in the greatest country in the world where you
can grind like that and there's success to
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be had here. Pitching about america you
know it's funny i was just telling you earlier i just had a guest on the show from sweden and
dude he told me. It's cashless there he like
to the point where he brought up money to dinner one night and
literally people were like whoa whoa where did you get that
money wow kind of like what are you a fucking drug dealer like if
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you have money cash you're kinda like a sketchy person.
And I was like, what's, uh, why is this the COVID, uh,
you know, waves from COVID or something? He's like, no, it's at war. Yeah. I
go, really? Yeah. It's just another moment where
I'm like, man, you don't hear any, you got to talk to people to know what's
really going on anymore. I've never heard that anywhere. Um, but
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anyway, it made me feel like, dude, people bitching, you
know, young people. I meet a lot of young people. I tattoo here. I've got a lot of tattooers, a
lot of young folks, a lot of whining. I hear sometimes about how
rough it is to, to make it in America, and you
know, and I'm just, I don't know, man. There's still so much opportunity here.
If you want to do what you did, what I've done, work hard like
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that, that's badass. But yeah, so
maybe you didn't invent this movement, but
you were certainly part of, an integral part of
what Joe has done and Joe's inspiration is created. And
the impact of that, even today is profound, If
this all keeps going like it's going, what is it going to mean in 10 years,
(34:43):
20 years? What kind of big arching change will
all that have on the world? I think it's worth
mentioning, you know, and that's fucking badass to be a part of
at the ground level of that thing being birthed. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I do hear that all the time too. Like, you know, I remember listening to
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you when I was in high school, you know, and, and now I
have a YouTube channel and it's great to hear and
all that stuff, you know, it's definitely
Your name might even be like in some history class at a college one day.
You'd be long and dead. They'd be like, Mr. Rithben invented,
(35:24):
it was part of the, yeah, who knows? I'm joking. Well, on
that note, another thing I, I, you know, knowing you and how you
think, and you know, you're, you love tech, you've always loved tech. Um,
and I am just, and people probably getting sick
of me talking about AI and AI and the show, but I'm just telling you guys right now,
I'll say it again. I personally think it'll be the most
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significant thing to happen in human history period, bigger
than anything that's happened, bigger than discovery of nuclear energy or nuclear
bombs, bigger than a discovery. All that stuff is
big, but, I think this thing, give it five, 10 years,
it's going to be obvious how big this is. So, and then I varying ideas
of why, but what I want to hear kind of from you, a guy that thinks about tech
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all the time, and I know thinks about this stuff. What do you think,
Like, where are we headed here? You know, I
love AI, and I know a lot of people are anti-AI, especially
artists and musicians and stuff like that, but I consider AI just
another massive major tool in the-
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I agree with you, by the way. I do, I'm not anti. Like a
good example, I do a t-shirt company, you know, like, on
top of all these podcasts, by the way, I also had a t-shirt company. Check it out if you're on
YouTube. And when the podcast took off, I, you know, I
remember one time I got on the computer. I was so tired from
doing editing podcasts all day and stuff. I'm like, Oh yeah, I put
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those t-shirts up for sale. 450 orders. Oh,
I got to put all those orders and print out all those labels. And
that was a whole nother job. But for doing a t-shirt company, I'm
always trying to think of new designs and stuff like that. Good
example i took a couple of my designs that
i had drawn in the past fed them into ai
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as i put these two pictures together and make something and it gave
me all these ideas like i never thought i to to put the
cat have this and do that but And then after
it did that, I was like, this is amazing. And then I redrew it, like how
I put it together in my style. But it's such
a nice tool, because it gave me an idea that I hadn't thought
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of. And using it as a tool, so many
artists think they're going to take their job away. I don't necessarily believe that.
I think they're not thinking right about it. They use it
as an idea. It's something to help you out. Or there's
this website called Suno or Sumo for
music or whatever. You could pretty much put, like, write a song about,
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you know, this guy that does tattoos, that doesn't wear pants, and it
Yeah, yeah. And it wrote like a quick ditty. Yeah, yeah, just, and you can make
it, I want it country, I want it rap, you can change the style, you can change the lyrics, but
immediately it shot out three different versions of this idea for a
song. Now, if I was a musician, I would not be scared of
that. I'd be like, oh, listen to that beat. We could redo that beat. I can change
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it up here, tweak this and that, and then I could sing these lyrics
and change the lyrics a little. So I think it's amazing because
as a tool, and I'm not scared, so many people are scared of it, but nowadays
there's AI for everything. Like washing machines come with AI now.
You're, no, you're, you're right. And I have, I actually did this too.
(38:36):
Like I had this, uh, an art project. I had to do a t-shirt design for Sullen
Clothing, one of my sponsors. Thank you, Sullen. I'm like you, I like, I
lean towards whatever's happening and this is happening. So I,
someone tells me, go to this app, can't remember the name. You can enter any rough sketch
and it'll just spit out like formal, not formal, but like
a more completed art based from the sketch. Yeah. So I throw the
(38:57):
sketch in and it spits out, I don't know what it was, 15, 20 things. And I
basically saw new novel ideas. It was
still like my style because it worked from the sketch I'd fed it,
but it did the filigree in a way of like, I never really thought about curving it
like that. I never really thought about adding that many layers. So I got these new novel
ideas. I then took that into my iPad and I'm from there,
(39:20):
manipulated it further. And then at the end is that PCC hanging on the
wall back there. So I agree with you. Yeah. That is absolutely
true to have this novelty generator to a
degree. But I would say, I mean, we're kind of talking about
it as it stands now. Now. Right. I'm like, because
I'm, what it's doing now is so fucking good. Like,
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what is it, if it can do this, Can't it just, I
mean, can't it write the most hilarious comedy
You would think. But that is the one thing that AI still
When it gets comedy, isn't that a sign of sentience? To
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understand comedy might be the biggest, what do they call that test? The
Kern test? There's some tests they do on computers to prove whether or not
That would be one of the big tests on that. It's funny because as
a comedian, that's one thing I think every comedian's probably tried.
Because there's always that one joke that you have. I have a
joke, and the end of the joke I just have never
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liked. And I've never thought of a good end of this joke. Or
I have an end, but it's just not, I feel like there's something more to it.
So obviously when AA first came out, that's one thing I was like, ah,
right, you know, write a better end to this, you know, or here's, here's
the whole idea of the joke. And it like,
you know, whatever it learns off of it, they must like feed it like
(40:47):
laffy taffy jokes or you know what I mean? Uh, or
Currently. And it was just so bad. Like it
was cheesy. It was just like, I mean, I agree. I figured you'd
say that. So I don't think, I mean, it
would be cool though. If in the future, if it, if it
got comedy, but I almost wonder if that's something that
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like, no, it will never be a hundred percent. Like,
like that, that would be the way to find out if you're talking to AI or not. Like,
uh, tell me a joke. Is this, are you AI? No,
Right, how to test, how to test. And if it's a shitty joke, you're like fucking busted.
You're AI, you fucking robot. I don't know. I guess
what we're really getting at here is... soul. Like, you
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know, can a, I don't know, maybe we have souls. I
think we have souls. I've got my, you do too. Okay. I think there,
what is a soul? It's something beyond physical world. A
computer can never have a soul. I don't care how smart it gets. Right?
Right. So then the question would become, no matter how smart this shit
gets, Will it ever be able to do as
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good as a human at really novel
creative stuff, comedy, writing a beautiful screenplay, a
I don't know. I don't know. I do
think that there's a point where AI is way better than
human. I forget what it was. They
recently fed AI some
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disease or something like that, and it immediately like, oh, this is
the cure, just do this. I'm surprised they haven't done it
to cancer yet. They probably have. I don't want anyone to know the
fucking answer yet. Exactly. But
there's things like that where I'm like, oh, that's what's the best, AI doing that.
Oh, fuck yeah, dude. It's going to be able to. That's the other part, the
(42:35):
layer to this is, From my, you know, philosophical
understanding of it is like, well, theoretically this thing, probably
now, but let's just be fair about this, five years from now, should
be able to solve most current world issues. I
mean, aside from humans fucking trying to kill each other all the time,
I don't know quite how to fix that one. But you need some fresh water in Uganda? It'll
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Yeah. Some weird shit. They're like, fuck, you know, or disease
or all of it. And I know Joe said this before and I agree with
him. It's like, I just don't know if the powers that large would
allow this to happen, but a really sophisticated AI
Yeah, we talked about this on JRE where having that be the president, just
(43:25):
Just program it. Every decision you make is for the greater good of the
Go. But then you wonder if AI is going to slowly start adding
Now we're going to that, yeah, and we got to go here too. We got to go to the dark side. Terminator. Well,
you know, people always go, yeah, Terminators, you know, the robots come, they kill
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us all. It makes a lot of sense. I mean, if this thing gets smart enough, looks
at planet Earth, we kind of look like a problem. We kind of are a problem. We're
kind of fucking a lot of shit up. Yeah, probably would make sense to maybe get
rid of us or get control of us or something like that. But I
think Previous to that, the bigger
fear I have is its ability to help somebody
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make a bioweapon. You know, before the robots come
storming through the streets, I think what we could possibly see is
just a small group off somewhere gets a powerful AI, a large language
model, and is able to build this new disease or this new
type of bomb. Then the AI helps it design the
best delivery systems. And suddenly, boom, a
(44:30):
terrorist attack could go to, you know, where can it go? That's the evil
side. Because it can cure cancer over here, and it
can kill two million people over here. I'm a little shocked
we haven't seen any major terrorist thing
happen that isn't linked back yet. Right. To this stuff.
Yeah. Because they said like, what is it, Facebook's, I forget the name of
(44:50):
theirs. I think it was Fa- Fa- Meta. They like released,
open coded this shit. Yeah. Which is a little shocking too.
That they would do that. Yeah, there's a reason somewhere that we don't know about for
Yeah, yeah. Why would you do that? I don't know. Fucking weird shit going
on, man. Well, we're going to, you know, I
hear Joe say this, I couldn't agree more. Every time he says it, I thought this is the same time.
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I think this is probably the coolest time to ever be alive. If you're interested
in exciting new things, because we're right fucking
in the middle of it, man, this next 10 years is going to get buck
Yeah, it is crazy also, going back to the second, that AI
It's not like we had 10 years of like AI.1, .2, you
(45:37):
know, like versions of it. Just one day it was like, this is
AI, guys. And it already seemed done. Like immediately, wait.
You just made a photo out of using just a prompt here. Right.
I thought that was weird. It's almost like, wait a second. Why
is this such a finished product immediately?
(45:58):
Right. That makes me think of like, maybe aliens are
real. And they're trying to help us. And then maybe this
is their, like, you know, given this, this idea of
how to do this, it'll propagate, it'll grow. And then
it'll slowly help them dig themselves out of this fucking hole
they've gotten themselves into, maybe. Because it did show up pretty refined. I
remember when I first got chat TBT, I thought the same thing. I'm like, I
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still can't figure it out, dude. How it can, now I understand how
I ask a question. The answer to my question is based on
its ability. It's already read everything relevant to my question.
It just compiles all that and gives me the best answer it
can. But the speed at which it does it, I don't fucking understand.
It's like one second. How does it go through eight
(46:44):
million pages of literature to give me my answer in
And it's so confident, too. That's another thing, though, you have to watch out
for because it's so confident on its answer. You
believing that is it's kind of because it can be wrong. Yeah, because
there's like I use it a lot for art, you know, like, you know, well,
no, I like I'll tell it like, hey, no, I want a cat with
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a hat on like a ball cap. And then I'll
put like a top hat. I'm like, no, that's a top hat. I
want a ball cap. Then he's like, well, here is, I apologize. This
is actually a better photo that has a ball cap, not
a top hat. I'm like, no, that's still a top hat. Oh, I'm sorry. Let
me try harder. And it's like, it doesn't know, like it keeps on
saying, here's the proper thing. I'm like, no, it's
(47:30):
not. And when you get like answers, like, you know, what can cure,
you know, if I scratch myself with a cat, like, what should I do? Put vinegar
Yeah, important that you can't just, and it is, when
you open up that program, there's a big part of everybody, including me,
that wants to take it as like the Bible. The
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smartest thing in the world just told me that's what's going on, that must be what's going
Yeah, and that's kind of dangerous because of its confidence, you
Well, and then you get, if the nefarious characters of
the world really want to fuck with us, they get us totally hooked on this shit, get
it fixed to where it's mostly right almost all the time, and
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then just start plugging in their answers to the questions when
Yeah. Yeah. They're on the other side going, all right, give it a
very good AI answer, but make sure you say thermonuclear wars.
Right. Whatever they want us to do. Yeah. No, the, that,
the power, its ability, like we already see how powerful fucking propaganda
(48:32):
can be. I mean, during the whole, What
do we call it? Germ. Germ. Germ. Yeah. I
couldn't believe it, man. When they were like, we're going to make everybody do A, B and C.
I was like, yeah, good luck with that. The fucking people I hang out with, they're going to tell
you to fuck yourself. And there I was standing in the middle of
a lot of people being, I was like, man, that was a hell of a propaganda campaign.
(48:52):
You guys crushed it. I want to, can I hire this ad
agency for my business? Jesus Christ. But you get
everyone's trust in this thing and addicted to it. Just like with cell phones,
like I have it. I use it all the time. It's super helpful. I
wrote a whole introduction to my last art show. I was in a pinch. I forget.
They're like, we need you to write this. It was a tattoo bodysuit art
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show. Very weird. Oblique. I just said that. And
it wrote, I think I changed three words. I sent it to my people
that are doing all the printing and they were like, that's beautiful. I told him, I
couldn't do it. I was like, hey, I did it. It was awesome, we used
it. So it's so functional, it's so easy to get addicted to it, because it's so helpful. And
so you get everybody get on it, everyone just builds trust for this thing, and then
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you just start inserting real clever points where
you steer people where you want them to go. I try
not to, I'm a positive, I believe everything's perfect,
it always will be. I believe in a soul, I believe in reincarnation. Fuck it,
let's go, but I have what
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Wait till we take AI though and put it in realistic robots,
you know, this robot sex dolls or whatever. That's what I'm
waiting for. Like being able to have somebody that follows you around. Like this
Yeah. Well, dude, you know, it's sort of sounds
like a joke, but it isn't. I know you agree, if
they build a female, like relatively,
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and with the AI, all that in there, dude, some
people are never ever, they're just gonna die in their houses. They're
With some fucking AI robot just pounding on them still, and his heart's already
Oh, it's gonna change. I mean, that's an extreme example, People's
(50:42):
behaviors, they're gonna change. People currently
still go outside and still like to go hiking and there's a lot of
things we still like to do as humans. A lot of people are gonna stop all that
They're close too, right? You look at what Tesla's
doing with their robot. It looks like a robot still,
(51:03):
but how it's finger movements and being able to pick stuff up.
And that came out of nowhere. So 10 years,
I would even say maybe five. They'll get some models
The real girl company is going to mix
(51:24):
Yeah, those guys. I tattooed the owner of that company years ago.
I mean, fuck, 15 years ago. And he was showing me
what they did. And I remember just thinking, you're fucking nuts, dude. Who
the fuck's buying this? I think they were like $8,000 and shit. And,
I've almost bought one of those so many times, just not to
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Yeah, no, for my studio, I wanted to have it always sitting in one of the chairs, you
know, or something like that. Thought that would be cool, just like, hey,
Every once in a while you get a real special friend, you're like, go ahead, take her
(52:10):
Yeah. But you take that, that thing and you get the, the, the robotics in
it and you get the AI mind in it. Ooh, that's going to be a
social shift. Like we have never seen, man. That's the next thing. Wow. Oh,
and you know, I'd like to believe, we keep saying women, but I
Not at all. No. Or because of, you know, the, all
(52:33):
the, what's going on in the world with, you know, whatever, you
could just unscrew the dick if you need to have the vagina, you know
You can just add parts to it. You can make it a he, she,
they, them, whatever kind of robot turns you on,
man, whatever social, where are you? No, yeah, that's
They will have that as well. Can you tuck the boobs in? Boobs,
(52:59):
I want to have a dick and a vagina. Yeah. Actually, two
dicks, one vagina. Yeah. Oh, wow. All
right. Well. That's kind of what I know. We
got some tat too. I know you got a show to do tonight. I've got a flight to
catch. We got some tatting to do. Heck yeah. So before
we close this up, maybe I just want to say what's, I want to say what's
(53:20):
next, but you, what is next? I mean, I know that right now
It's blowing up. It's getting bigger. We
might have some huge news about it
soon that I really can't talk about. Oh, interesting. But
yeah, that's the big thing, man. Just Kill
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I've been to it. It's dope. I actually tattooed Brian in the back. It was dope. So
if you're in Austin, definitely check it out. Obviously check out Kill
Tony if you're in Austin. Or figure out where they're headed next. I
know they're they're touring. So I don't know where that's gonna take you I can't wait
to find out what this your face right now. You got me intrigued Mad
scientist faced over there. Yeah, cool And so we where can people find
(54:08):
DeathSquad.tv is the best that has all my everything
links to my merch Comedy Club all
the Kill Tony episodes and stuff like that. But yeah, that's the big point Cool,
Super appreciate it. All you guys that have been watching the show that are giving me the likes that
are sharing the show that are subscribing, you know, I need
(54:30):
it. Keep them coming. And the ones that are doing that, thank you so much.
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