Refugee Camp to Freedom In America: The Inspiring Story of Sathya Chey Patterson

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It was a shame to me that I saw so many Americans living paycheck to
paycheck. I can't spend time with my family because I have to work. I
can't do the things that I love because I got golden handcuffs and I got
to do this job. And it just was such
a waste, such a dishonor to the fact that I, that
we have all survived, right? I mean, we're all, it's all sheer

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magic that we're all here. you know, and it's
so disrespectful to not be living life to
the fullest and doing the things you love and spending time with the people you
love. So that is my purpose and
passion with why I got into wealth management, you know, now 18 years
I like the way you put that. Like I never thought of

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If I take my money and go out and do dumb shit
with it in a way, I'm not respecting my family. Right?
Because now I got to go back to work to replace that money and that's just
another bit of time I don't have to spend with my daughters, you
know? Yeah. And I mean, I kind of know that's true as you say it. I'm like,
yeah, duh. But I never really went in

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Yeah. I mean, and that's the difference between living a
mindful life and living, you know, the
social media, dopamine addiction, constant distraction,

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Hello, friends, neighbors, lovers of art. Welcome
back to Chats and Tats with me, your host, Aaron Della Vadova. Before I start today,
I just want to say from the bottom of my heart, filled with
love and gratitude. Thank you to everybody that has been
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of you supporting me that are supporting me. And, uh, if you want to
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do so. Today's guest is a little off our beaten
track. Maybe, maybe not, but I got to know her through

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her husband who was on our show, fell in love with the man, one of the most amazing
human beings I've ever met. I'll drop his name here in a minute, but,
uh, got to meet his beautiful wife and got to know her
story. And the story she told me of her life is.
profound. It's a story of overcoming horrendous
obstacles and finding light and love and forgiveness and

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compassion through that. So that's mainly, and then what
she's done with her life today, absolutely beautiful and amazing. We
work together now, currently, and we'll get into that as well. So I
won't keep you hanging any longer. With all that being said, I'm gonna let her put it in her
words, all the stuff that went down. Please welcome my guest today,
Sathya Shea Patterson. Hi. Hi. Welcome.

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Yeah, no, it's... I already said it, but Landon Patterson,
everybody, that's the episodes. There's been two with Landon, who,
if you listen to the show, you know is a sommelier. I mean, he's a
lot of things, but he's a sommelier. We tattooed them on the show and
we became fast friends. And then of course you come along
and I'm just like, wow. And of course it didn't shock me to meet how, uh,

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find out how amazing you are after knowing what I've learned about Landon.
So it's just a beautiful thing. And I'm not going to say what we, how
we work together yet, cause we're going to get to that. And now not only are we good
friends, but we are working together, which is awesome as well. But
I think I would like to start off with. you know, your
childhood and, uh, and maybe, maybe even, I don't know,

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I want to say educate because when I heard Sathya's story,
I will admit I was bleakly aware of
this, um, this thing that had happened, but I
didn't really know a whole lot about it. And the more I kind of did a little deep dive on
it, I'm like, my God, I can't believe this isn't like national news
every day, like that this occurred on our planet. And

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I know it's happened in other places, but this is a big one. But I won't even say
what it is. You tell us, one word down, where were you born and
Yeah, well, thank you for having me. I was born in a refugee camp
in Thailand, in Chonburi, Thailand. And we
ended up there, my family ended up there because we all survived, my
immediate family at least, survived the Cambodian genocide that occurred from

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75 to 79. And we
lived in refugee camps for about four years because it took time. You know,
it was this lottery process to come to a
country that was accepting refugees of war-torn countries like
So can I back you up there? So just to back you up a little bit, This
genocide was created or

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enforced by the Khmer Rouge. Khmer Rouge.
I always said Khmer. Khmer Rouge, the leader of which
being Pol Pot. Right. And the goal, if I
understand this correctly, he was trying to create some kind of socialist utopia.
Right. But in doing so, He had to get rid of anybody who
was associated with the old government. He had to get rid of anybody Yeah, even question

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what the fuck he was doing and it resulted in 1.5 estimate to possibly
It's more like two and a half million people. OK. So, you
know, I was I've talked to my parents about this because they lived
it. Right. My father, he says maybe 50 percent of
his family perished in during this time

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period. And he he says probably 50 to 70 percent of
the men he grew up with passed
away. You know, there was a civil war raging in Cambodia right
after the Vietnam War. You know, the Viet Cong trying
to gain power over the area and whatnot. My
dad was served in the army, in the Cambodian army. His

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father was killed during the Khmer Rouge rule. But,
you know, so there's a civil war going on. You know, my
father's home was bombed. He then was
captured by the Khmer Rouge to join them. This is before 1975. And
he said, you know what, I don't wanna be in the army, I'm
gonna go be a monk. And they allowed him to do that. So he

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lived at a temple and studied to be a
monk for a couple years until that temple
was bombed by Southern Vietnam forces trying
to get the Khmer Rouge and the Viet Cong from overtaking the country. Of
50 people that were living there, he and one
other survived the bombing of that temple. It was completely leveled.

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So there goes my dad's first survival story, you
know, and then he moves to Phnom Penh where the
capital of Cambodia where he's trying to go to work and
and you know Go to school and whatnot, but he ends up joining the
Cambodian army serves there for about five
years before the Khmer Rouge take over he tells me the day

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that You know, when the Khmer Rouge took over, his general
said, you know, we've lost, there's no more fighting. He
said he literally took off his army fatigues and
his rifle, laid it in the river, and went looking
for clothes to put on so that he can now
hide as a civilian. My father luckily studied enough

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of the Communist Party and their beliefs that he
knew he had to play like he was a commoner,
uneducated. And that was how he survived, where
as his father, because so many of the Khmer Rouge soldiers
were his students, my grandfather was a teacher, a professor. And
because so many of his students became Khyrush soldiers,

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one day he was working in the fields and they came to call
him and he never came back. You know, you were told to
go see Angkha. Angkha was the government, the leader, like
every, you know, and they called you, they called him by name and they never saw him again. because
he was a professor or because he was- We don't ever know why, but that's
likely it. Anyone who wore glasses, who was educated, who

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was in the army, like you said, was killed. Now,
unless you were intelligent enough to just play that you were an idiot. My
dad said, I'm a student, I don't know anything. You
don't talk to anyone. You don't talk amongst each other. You can't trust
anybody. That's how my father survived. And
my mother survived because she was a

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seamstress, so she had a skill, and she
sewed for the soldiers. She repaired their backpacks and repaired
their uniforms and whatnot. Made herself useful. At this time that the
Khmer Rouge came in, my parents weren't together. They were
both in separate marriages. My mother was married, her husband
at the time, and she had three children. So my mother is, you know,

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in her late teens, 18, 19, and
her sister was in the middle of getting a blood transfusion.
I believe she had leukemia in the hospital, but the hospitals were emptied,
right? The Khmer Rouge came in, said, everyone grab your things. take
what you can carry and walk into the rural areas where you will all
become a part of this agrarian society. And so the hospitals were

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empty. My mom tells me the story of how she went into the hospital, unplugged
all the blood transfusion equipment and took her little
sister in a cart and pushed
her into the fields. And they walked for a month until her
sister passed away right in front of her. And she had to bury her along

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And my mom at that time was a young mother. She had my three siblings.
She had a three-year-old daughter, a two-year-old daughter, and
then like a 12-month-old son. And
all the while she's carrying these children and her husband at the time. And
then, you know, a couple of years into the war, her husband was
so exhausted, you know, and she stayed

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home to care of the kids. The kids were too young at that time. The
children were not able to work in the fields until they were at least five
years old. So my siblings thankfully had, were at
home at that time, but her husband, I kept telling her, I
need to leave. I'm starving. We're working for 15 hours a
day. I can't take this anymore. My mom said, where would we
go? These are jungle, you know, they

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fought in the jungles. They know they're all around us. And
she said one day she woke up at, you know, three in the morning and
saw that he packed a knapsack. And she said, I was just
tired of talking him out of it. He just bailed. And
she went to sleep. And the next day she never saw him again. And,
you know, there was rumors that he left with a friend and that friend was never seen again.

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Most likely to make it because after the war, you came back
to your homelands, you know, to your hometown and
tried to find your parents. And, you know, that's how you reunited with family
after whoever survived. And he never came back while his
mother and siblings were still around. So that's why
we think he never survived. He probably would have come back. So my mom

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now has become a single mother in the middle of this communist
rule and genocide taking place. My sisters
are now five and four, and they go get
taken and are put into child labor camps. And
my mother is separated from her children for the next three years. You're
allowed to go visit your family one day a week. The children, you

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know, are let go for a couple hours from work to go
visit their parents and things like that. But my mom, you know, thankfully they
survived all of that. And there's a great movie that Angelina Jolie
directed called First They Killed My Father, based on a book written by
a survivor of the Khmer Rouge. And it talks,
it's almost like my sister's story, who my oldest sister

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is in her mid-50s now, was the five-year-old little girl who lived
in the child labor camps. But she remembers the bombing that
South Vietnamese and Americans did over Cambodia when
they ultimately chased the Khmer Rouge out in 1979, where
she could just see bodies exploding all around
her. And she's running through these fields to go back to

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where she knew my grandma, because they separated everyone by age
where she was. So, you know, my
parents, my father and mother didn't meet until after
the war. And my, there was a temporary government that
was put into place. My father worked with my mother's brother
and that's how they met. We saw that the

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prime minister coming into power and kind of
the government that was being put into place after the Khmer Rouge just wasn't
gonna be a place where they wanted to continue growing their family. So
one day my parents took what they could carry again
and got on a train and went to the
Thai border to refugee camps there. because

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they knew they didn't want to stay in Cambodia, even though the Khmer Rouge were
gone. And then we stayed in refugee camps for four years, and
Wow. I gotta just take a deep breath after
that. That was a lot. No, it's just, I
don't know, I'm just reflecting on myself and
this Western life we all live, and Yeah.

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How, how, um, how easy we have it. It
just makes excuses so much less meaningful in
our current, I'm sure you're going to agree with me on all of this. When you
hear somebody like, Oh, life's been beating me down, man. You
And I can't get, it's like, well, you hear this story and you're like, I mean, if
your father was killed and you could even mourn him, you couldn't even, my

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father couldn't show any emotion, you
Wow, that's that's powerful. And let
He actually died in his sleep, I want to say. I was

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His peers were put to trial, but no, nothing happened to him. He ended up
living a somewhat comfortable life until his
Did a lot of people that were involved in this genocide go
to trial? And actually, was there justice on some level? I
I mean, there were some people put to trial, but not really, not really. I

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mean, and so, you know, there's quotes between one and a half to two
million people to two and a half million people that died at this time. That was something
around 25 to 35% of
the population died at that time. But my dad says, oh, those
are just numbers. Those are bodies they could count. Well, what about all the bodies that
they never found? He thinks it's more like 50% of

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the population because he said if he looked at his own family, only
50% survived. He was telling me about one engineer, you
know, that was a survivor. His entire family died. His mom, his
dad, his children, his wife. He was the only survivor in
So, so amazing what

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humans can do. I don't say
amazing in a good way, but it just, it's mind boggling to
think of, uh, you know, I look at, um, evil people, I
would call that evil. And I just think that was a little baby and
I've seen, there is no evil babies. Where do
you go from that? Born beautiful and perfect to

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And they killed babies because they knew if they killed
the parents that the babies would want to grow up
to want to seek revenge. So they killed children and
babies. So it's just, it is mind
blowing. But you know, when we, you know, I know that you're a, a
forever learner and trying to become enlightened or

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Exactly. And it's so
scary what ignorant and
unenlightened people can achieve. Yeah. Because I
think you forget that we all come
from the same place. You know, they say, once you see that we're all

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Especially when you're talking about a country that is primarily Buddhist? Okay.
So, you know, Pol Pot, I'm assuming was exposed to
Buddhism. Like, dude, what
do you think is going to happen if this whole Buddhism thing is true? You know,
this reincarnation thing, this karma thing, you know? That's
the thing I always flabbergast me about some of the powerful people

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in our world that make choices that result in this type of chaos.
You know, the reality is nobody knows what
happens after we die. I mean, you can have faith. I
have my own faith in something. And you can have that faith, but really nobody
knows. And these people, I wouldn't call them unintelligent. So
I look at them and I'm thinking, man, you're willing to risk that.

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Like, because if it's the Christian version, you're going to fucking hell. Yeah. I've
read about what they do down there. That's like eternal hell. Eternity. Yeah.
It's just terrifying to think of. The Buddhists, you're going to be reincarnated
with this type of karma. You're going to have thousands of years of
very uncomfortable lives. All these things, and they're
just out there pulling these triggers, like seemingly, you

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know, that's where I think you, I guess, for me, it's like
sociopath comes to mind, like something's wrong
with them, obviously, to take a risk of that level for power
and money or whatever they're after. Crazy to me. I mean,
I would understand a couple people have done it, maybe over a

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It's happening in the world every day. When people say, God, I
never heard about the Khmer Rouge and the Cambodian genocide, it's
happening every day. It's still happening. But
for the Khmer Rouge, at least, for me to be in
America, for me to have parents and siblings who worked
in child labor... Landon's Jewish, so we

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always, sick twisted joke that we're bonded by genocide. So
we, but it, you know, what happened during the Holocaust.
There's probably some truth to that though. There is, there is. But the
Holocaust happened so many generations ago, right? Most of those who
survived that aren't alive anymore, whereas I can talk to my
parents and I'm so energetically, karma

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and generational trauma, all those things are so still. you
This is recent. We're talking, it ended in 79? Yeah. Let's
just say 80. 80 just feels like, that's like not too long
ago, man. Yeah. Let me, let me, let me, before we move too far forward. So
you're now living or being raised in a refugee

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No, I was born at the tail end of that. So
I was a year old when I came to America. I was a year old. Oh,
I see, I see. So I thankfully don't remember
that time. We see pictures of myself in the camp, but no,
I don't remember that. My memories come when
we're in America, right? And at this time, my parents come

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to this country, they have nothing. We weren't sponsored by
a family, like a lot of church families sponsor, let you live in their home and
things. But we had family here already that
we were able to come live with. You needed to have somewhere to
go, of course, but we didn't have any money. And so my
parents did little things like go... My

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siblings were in middle and high school at this time, middle school. So every
morning around 3, 4 a.m. they'd all get up, everyone, including
the baby. They brought me in a car seat and we went to
trash cans outside of grocery stores where we took
cardboard and cans and recycled those for
money, for food. We took dented cans out

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of the grocery store, trash cans and expired produce and meats to
make our dinners with, right? Because they threw things away that were
So that's where we came. Okay. Wow. Okay. So this is how
you're living in America. Yeah. And probably grateful to

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be living like that. Because no one's going to most likely put a
I always say I love country music. And my parents are like, people
are like, how the hell did you start liking country music? I said, my dad was
so proud to be an American. He said, what's American? Country
music? Give me more of that Garth Brooks, you know?
So I grew up listening to country music. That's

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That's cool. You know, and there's such a raging debate and I don't want to get into it
about, you know, our immigration policies, but this is
what I love about immigrants is that, right? I
mean, you'd want to find a fucking proud American. And I know
there's people born here or just as proud. You can, I
would say, I would guess the percentage of people that come from situations like
that are probably prouder Americans than your average kid who's born here.

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Right you know who wants to go burn the flag with his buddies cuz he's pissed
off about something you know. I don't want
to shit on the americans that are here and their lack of love
for this country. Is i love this country and i have most
people i hang out with you too but it does sadden me to
see so many people and i would call it ignorance that

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they want to just bitch and wine and shit on america and tell
you how shitty it is. And I think it's just a lack
of understanding what goes on out there in the real world and why
America is still the greatest country in the world. Absolutely. You know, but
that's ignorance, right? Maybe. So this Long Beach
lifestyle you live in. Yeah. LBZ.

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LBZ. This goes, obviously doesn't
go on forever. No. You know, your parents, this is how you're getting by
in your younger years. How many years does this go on before you start establishing your
I mean, you know, this is what takes me on my finance path
is a lot of these things I saw, you know, lived out
for me. And that my parents, you know, they recycled cardboard. We

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wore clothes from Goodwill. I never bought things for myself until
I was in middle school. Everything else was hand-me-downs or
used. But my mom bought a sewing machine. She saved up for
a sewing machine. She brought that skill back of being able to sew. Started sewing
clothes by the pound. Saved up money from that. Borrowed money from friends. Opened
up one of the first Cambodian supermarkets in Long Beach. from

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that they opened a liquor store and from that opened another
store. So that then their kids took over, right?
So slowly through just no
handouts, my dad was very proud. He didn't want to be on government assistance
for long. We weren't on welfare for years or anything like that.
You know, we lived in a two bedroom apartment with seven people.

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So my, my parents, I forgot to tell you that, In
Cambodia, in the refugee camps, my parents in their, you
know, they're in their mid-20s at this time. They have five kids. They're
also taking care of my mom's younger sister and brothers. That's seven. Then
my uncle left his children behind. So three
children behind. So my parents, why it took us so long to

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get out of the refugee camps is because my parents had 10 people. to
take care of, you know, um, in addition to themselves. So
it was really hard. It's harder to take a family of 12 out
rather than a family of four, you know? And so we come to this country
and now, you know, my, my uncle takes three kids back, but it's
now my, my parents, seven plus my younger

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aunt and uncle, nine. We're living in a two bedroom apartment and we
rent one of the rooms out. You
know. Okay. Okay. So that's how
they're able to get by. You know, we have a piece of chicken.
We're splitting it 10 ways, you know. That's how we're able
to get by. And eventually they build a small empire, but

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an empire that allows them to retire in their fifties. you
know, they own real estate, they have savings, they
own gold, which is one of, uh, Asian, most Southeast
Asians, uh, main, um, investment vehicle, uh, gold
and diamonds. And, um, but they, they were able to build a

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All right, anybody listening out there that says that the world's against
them and the odds are stacked against them, just just soak on
that for a second. A lot of opportunity out there, friends, you know.
Man, that's amazing. That's amazing. And I'm going to tie
this into why I work with you now.
Like you have the fucking resume and I'll just

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say this, I guess, just, you know, you're, you're, you own a wealth advising company,
Arise Private Wealth. You're a wealth advisor. And that's how we work together, people.
She's trying to, you know, help me. Cause I am a kind of
a dumb spoiled American who hasn't, hasn't saved his
money probably as good as he should have. So I'm glad you're in my life. But before
we get to, and I just, I guess I just wanted to highlight, like if

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you got somebody helping you with your money, that's the resume I want to
hear that is as bad as good as it can possibly get. If you,
you understand the, uh, value of
saving and conserving probably deeper than probably anyone I've ever
met. So that's incredible. But before we get there, I want to talk a little bit
about trauma because obviously there's a lot of trauma going on

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here. Inevitably. You ever heard of the term epigenetics? Yes.
Okay. Yeah. I mean, there's that layer to it
too. Like the idea, and for people who might not know what that is, uh, the
idea and correct me if I'm wrong, epigenetics is the trauma of,
of, of your parents comes through in your genetics when
they have a child. So there's that plus you growing up

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your own trauma of what you actually experienced you know digging through
trash cans to find enough money to get by, probably feeling less than
you go to school and other kids are coming in their cool clothes and you got some
shit your mom sewed together and being teased, layers
and layers in the heart and the height of cambodian gangs in
you know, I have, I can go to a cemetery and

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visit too many friends, you know, so there's that whole
trauma because a lot of, of the children that came to
Long Beach were now being tormented by Mexican
gangs, you know, just so they banded together and created, you
know, some really big gangs in Long Beach,
um, with a lot of gang wars. So there was a lot of that going on

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Wow. A lot of trauma. What have you done for
My parents, which I think your other podcast
guest, Tom, was talking about his family was
workaholics. Well, when you're an immigrant, literally have
no other choice but to have multiple jobs and be gone all day to put

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food on the table. There were unintentional workaholics as
well, you know, and what does a child
doesn't you're not able to rationalize that
acts of service that my parents are gone all day because they love me so
much and they work so hard because they want to put food on the table. A child only
knows love through affection and those

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words of affirmation and encouragement. And so I didn't
have that either. You know, and so there was that trauma of
abandonment there. How did I heal that? Well, I
felt that as I was becoming an adult, entering into
relationships, my relationships were with unhealthy people.
I was ending up broken hearted or just I became a mother at

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21, single mother at 25. That relationship didn't work out.
And then I didn't really meet Landon until I was in my late 30s,
you know? And so along that way, I made the wrong choices
and partners constantly. And I think
the self-awareness and the spiritual growth and the healing came when I had
to ask myself, it's not everyone else in

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my circumstance why I end up like this. There
must be something I'm doing. There must be something I'm choosing. And
why am I doing that? And that's what led me on that spiritual growth of
finding out what about my childhood, what about the
trauma that my family has been through, is causing me to,
in essence, and I think a lot of this is the core of why people

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make poor decisions, is lack of self-love, lack of self-worth. You
know, when you feel abandoned by your parents, you always feel a child thinks
there's something wrong with me. That's why they don't love me
enough to spend time with me. And then you transform that
into an adult. All of a sudden you always think you're
the reason why you're unlovable and you choose people

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that don't love you and don't show up for you. So that you
Landon laughs that I always quote Charles Cooley, this 19th
century sociologist who developed this looking glass theory.
And he says, I am not who I think I am.
I am not who you think I am. I am who

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I think you think I am. Right. In that we
develop our sense of self-worth based on how we
Okay. So he's not saying the enlightened statement. He's
saying how most people are operating. How most people are operating. Okay. Cause when
you said that, I was like, that's not the enlightened. I get it. Right. Right.
But that's, I think that's how most people are operating. We're always trying

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to live, present ourselves as the people we want other people to perceive us
as. Right. We're always trying to prove ourselves to
be worthy to someone else's view of ourselves. So,
you know, I started healing the trauma of
my childhood and my family history
by doing the spiritual work to learn

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to love myself, learn to be
proud of the things I've accomplished and
how far I've come, right? Instead of always having
that feeling of restlessness and distracting myself
with achievements, because I think it
And that work specifically, what are we talking? Are we talking meditation?

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Are we talking therapy with therapists? Or what were you
It started with yoga. It just started with yoga. Yoga
led me into mindfulness, breath work, meditation. I've
worked with some plant medicine and worked
with a curandera, sought spiritual

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coaches, and my own reading. But I think my
greatest learning is the meditation, time with yourself,
reflection. You know, we're always looking for answers outside
of ourselves. We have just as much, you know
yourself better than anyone else. So I think where
I'm at in my life is spending more time in meditation

(31:02):
and self-reflection so I can find the knowledge within myself
of what I need. And when we feel that
sense of abandonment and we're always looking for that mother
or father we never had, it's time to be your own
divine mother and father. You know, one of my spiritual mentors
does a great exercise that I recommend people do that deal

(31:24):
with childhood trauma is taking a childhood picture of yourself and
looking at that picture every day and telling that child,
I love you. You're perfect. I'm here to protect you. You
don't need to be scared anymore. You know, it's time to be
It's funny you say that, you know, every time I've ever done, not
every time, most of the times when I've done a large dose of

(31:47):
mushrooms, I end up talking to this me as a little
boy. And it's, and I usually cry, you
know, he usually shows up saying things like, why don't you play with
me anymore? Like, why, when did you get so serious? Like, what
happened? I'm still here. Like, why aren't we climbing trees?
Why aren't we enjoying, why aren't we living childlike, being

(32:09):
exploritative and all these things. And why, you know,
and it's, it's, it's, so plant medicine, I
mean, it's done a lot for me too, but it's, it's interesting how
that inner child will show up and, you know, that meditation of
looking and talking to that inner child and saying what
you said, you know, I'm here. I love you. I, you

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know, in creating a, it's almost as if it truly exists,
you know, and that gets into fractal time and stuff. But I mean,
there's a lot of philosophies out there that say it is, it's all happening simultaneously. Your
five-year-old self exists. And what
you're doing as your 50-year-old self is affecting the five-year-old and

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Yeah, and plant medicine has become very, very popular. And I
do think it's your fast track to that
space where God lives, but it can totally be achieved through
meditation and breath work because you don't need, you
don't need any assistance to get to the heart of who you are. You
know, but it's, it's hard, right? Why is ozempic so

(33:11):
popular in America? You know, because you can take a pill and
lose the weight or you can exercise daily for three months. No
one wants to do that. You could do plant medicine and enter into that
space and get that enlightenment. But Oh my gosh, how many people
I know that do plant medicine every month or
years. and they're still... They

(33:31):
reach those point of enlightenment and then they go back into
the real world and they don't follow through with those practices. Yeah.
So that's definitely a word of caution that people think it can
Yeah. No, and I agree 100%. I think the beauty of plant medicine
is you get to see and touch that space.

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Then you can, what it did for me is I can identify it,
and now I know what I'm seeking. It's easier to find something when
you know what it looks like. Right, no, absolutely. Absolutely, I
agree. But I 100% agree with you. My usage of different
hallucinogenics is waning over the years. I
barely do it anymore. But yeah, I agree. It's not

(34:13):
not necessary. You know, I have a buddy who smoked DMT when
I was hanging out with him probably 100 times. And he'd still
walk in the, you know, walk in a door and be like screaming about
traffic like a fucking motherfucker. Like, yeah. It's
like, dude, this DMT ain't helping. Come on, man. So
agreed. But I do think it's a good, the popularity of

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it, I think is, it can't hurt when you're dealing with,
especially in the West, where we are godless to some degree,
you know, for it to just be, and it's out there, boy, it is. on wildfire right
now and i think that's a great thing and you're right some people are gonna do
the work after they've seen this thing like wow that's where
i need to go and then i'll meditation and

(34:57):
breath work and sound healing all these things and we'll get into the
work you do in the sound healing arena here in a second but
before we get there we kind of talked about trauma and what you've done
it's really cool that you get yourself sort of which is
in the end what everybody has to do That's another trap,
right? The counselor will fix me, the therapist will fix me. No, they

(35:18):
can only show you some stuff and then you still gotta do it, you know?
It's like, I'm gonna go watch people lift weights and get strong. No,
you have to lift the weights, you know? But let's
get a little into forgiveness. How
did you wrestle with that one? I mean you certainly have the right
to be pretty angry about what happened to your family But I mean I

(35:39):
personally believe when you hold and I know you're gonna agree because I
can tell you've done the work But when you hold on to resentment and
when you hold on to anger, it's a frequency that lives inside you. And then you
attract situations that justify that happening again. So
you can be angry at your boss. You can be upset with
your, whoever else you've brought into your life, you know, so this just makes
it worse. So for really to move ahead in life, you've really got

(36:02):
to forgive anyone who's ever hurt you. So, and I
have my philosophy on how I was able to do that and how I see it, but I
I always tell myself hatred and resentment is like drinking poison and
That's a great reminder. Forgiveness for
me, for my parents, why I fell in love as

(36:24):
a child for everything that happened to my family during that
time is having compassion for those people.
When I think, oh, my parents didn't love me, and they were always gone, and
they always had these high expectations of me, I have to have compassion for
them that they did the best that they could. that they
loved me and that they made the best choices that they could, you

(36:46):
know? And I think there were so many Khmer Rouge soldiers that
were children that were killing people and they were
just trying to survive themselves, you know? So I
think you have to just have compassion for

(37:08):
Yeah. You know, and I think there's
so many things that are happening in the world. You have hurt someone.
I have hurt someone and I may have had the best intentions,
you know, and I, and as, as although, you know, killing millions
of people is way worse than me, I don't know, flaking on my friend. Um,
maybe it's, it's, you have to look at it in the same

(37:31):
way that, that you have to have compassion for people.
Agreed. I said this before we started the show, but when I'm struggling
with forgiveness towards somebody that's hurt me, I often picture
them as a child. I just see that person when they were little.
And then I, from there, it's just like things happen to them

(37:53):
and they got confused along the way. And in their confusion,
they're hurting people now. Yeah. And then, uh, forgiveness and
compassion, that feeling of forgiveness. Well, compassion
is what the feeling of compassion is what comes in and
Well, when you have love in your heart, hatred has a hard

(38:13):
time. It's not the environment it wants to thrive in. You
know, you had Miguel Ruiz's son on your podcast and one
of his, you know, four agreements is don't take it personal. You
know, often the hatred comes from, and the resentment comes
from, this happened to me and they did this to me because there's
something wrong with me or whatever. You take it personal. And I really

(38:34):
try, whenever someone wrongs me, I really remind
myself that sometimes it may not have to do anything with me,
Yeah, well, uh, good. I mean, I know, I know just knowing
you that you've, you found this forgiveness, you found
this compassion for those that have hurt you. And in turn, you

(38:54):
found compassion and forgiveness for yourself, which is ultimately where this
goes, right? I mean, that's the final step, right?
Because we've all hurt somebody and we've all done things that we
regret and, and you, to find peace in
your heart to say to yourself, when you look in the mirror, I was,
I didn't know any better. I know better now and you change and

(39:15):
in that moment you forgive right you forgive yourself and as
you go through this process The your
self-love increases right and it maybe maybe if you're lucky you
get to the point where when you look in that mirror You literally can
just go you're you're rad You're a good person and
then in that knowing and that feeling of feeling that way
about yourself reality seems to conform to

(39:38):
that. So what do good people have? Good
people have beautiful relationships. Good people have friends.
Good people have wealth. Good people get all
the good stuff about life. But you've got to get to the point where you
can't lie about this either. You know, you have to mean it. And
I think for me, that's the work, right? And if you find that part of

(39:59):
yourself that you can't seem to get over, that's
That's my low point where I had to change and seek spiritual work,
especially because I knew I wanted to partner my life and I wouldn't have met
Landon. Landon and I both say we wouldn't have liked
each other, you know, had we have not gone on our own spiritual
paths, you know, and when we have, I have so many friends that are in

(40:22):
their forties and either divorced or single and they say, I
can't find any, you know, it's, I really, it's, you
know, all the dating apps and, you know, all the guys or
whatever the excuses are, you know, I, I think it's
the self work that led me to find and to bring
You attract what you are, you know, and yeah. If

(40:46):
you would've stayed in your old mindset, you would've attracted another person
that would've treated you exactly how you expected a person
to be treated of that frequency. Right. You know,
I'm not worth it, I'm not worthy, oh great, I'll
date this guy because he'll treat me accordingly. Yeah. No,
but you had gotten through that. I know Landon has done his own work.

(41:07):
Exactly. And, uh, and you're right. You guys met at the perfect time when
And now it should be said, you guys have a beautiful baby
Thank you. That's awesome. So you're a single mom, you
know you've gotta, you've gotta create money. You've got to raise a

(41:28):
family. So take us through that part. You haven't maybe done
all your healing yet, but you're still working your ass off. So what did
I mean, I wasn't on my spiritual journey until I was in my late 20s.
So at this time that I'm a young mother, I mean, I'm just surviving. I
was in a bad relationship, we were on different paths, and
I you know, at 21, I was lost soul

(41:49):
up until that point. I mean, that's how you end up pregnant at 20, right? Um,
I, I was lost soul at that point, but this
is about healing trauma through being a
parent. This story that, that transpires is,
I don't know what changed in me when I became pregnant, but once
I held her, I knew I wanted to give her a different life.

(42:12):
I knew I wanted to show her I loved her. I knew that I wanted to
give her all the things that I didn't have as a child. You know, my
little girl me saw in her everything
that I wanted and yearned for. So
my path was immediately, I need to provide for this child a good
home, you know, a safe place, the money to do

(42:33):
the things that she wanted to do. You know, I couldn't play sports or anything because
we didn't have health care. you know, when you have health insurance. Um,
so I made sure to do, to get a good job and, and, and
have healthcare and things like that for her. I made sure to
always respect her even as a, you know, two year old,
what do you want to do? Let's spend time on your level instead of

(42:53):
saying you always have to fall in line with me because that
growing up when we're poor, it's like I just had to follow along
with everyone else's doing. There wasn't time for play. There wasn't time for
what I wanted. I went back to school when
she was three months old, so I had to drop out of college. I was in university at the time
that I got pregnant, dropped out of university to have her,

(43:14):
went back to school when she was three months old, finished and got my finance degree
at Cal State Fullerton. And as I was finding out what
would I love to do, you know, it seemed very natural to
me that I saw my parents build a
wealthy life. And wealth is the life, the
ability to fully experience life and do everything you want and

(43:34):
have the freedom to have what you want, that kind of wealthy by living
within their means, saving, investing wisely. And
I found wealth management because my
parents didn't invest in Bitcoin or find some
hot stock tip. That's how they tripled their money. No, you know, they did it
the old fashioned way. And I think That with, you

(43:55):
know, the Reddit and the meme stocks and
Bitcoin and all the ways that you can't, that you've heard of people
tripling their money, you know, you get caught up in that, that
you need some get rich quick scheme. And actually, you
can build wealth through hard work. Investing
wisely, living within your means. You know, my parents retired in

(44:18):
their 50s, but they couldn't do that if they were spending half a million dollars
a year, right? They live within their means and that's why they were
able to build the life they have. So I wanted to
help people create the life of their dreams.
I feel so fortunate to be alive that it
was a shame to me that I saw so many Americans living paycheck to paycheck. I

(44:40):
can't spend time with my family because I have to work. I can't do the things that I
love because I got golden handcuffs and I got to do this
job. And it just was such a waste, such
a dishonor to the fact that I, that we have all survived,
right? I mean, we're all, it's all sheer magic that
we're all here. you know, and it's so disrespectful to

(45:02):
not be living life to the fullest and doing the things you love and spending
time with the people you love. So that is my
purpose and passion with why I got into wealth management, you know, now
I like the way you put that. Like I never thought of
If I take my money and go out and do dumb shit
with it in a way, I'm not respecting my family. Right?

(45:25):
Because now I gotta go back to work to replace that money and that's
just another bit of time I don't have to spend with my daughters, you
know? Yeah. And I mean, I kind of know that's true as you say it. I'm like,
yeah, duh. But I never really went in
Yeah. I mean, and that's the difference between living a
mindful life and living, you know, the

(45:47):
social media, dopamine addiction, constant distraction,
right? You're just... nothing you do is with intention. And
it doesn't have to be a stressful thing. I work a lot with women
who have just less of a comfortable relationship with
money. So then they avoid it. They avoid those conversations. But

(46:08):
avoidance will lead you. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And it doesn't have to have that negative emotion with it.
I had a guy on the show by the name of Ryan Roy. He's
actually a wealth advisor, kind of specifically for
tattoo artists, but I think he's branching out to other creatives. Young
guy, but smart. He had a quote though I loved, I want to read

(46:30):
it to you. He said, instead of asking, how
do I make more money? Instead ask, who do I need
to unbecome to allow more money into my life? Isn't
that powerful? Unbecome. I love that. You know, cause
let's get practical with that. Unbecome, unbecome. Maybe I need to be less
addicted to dopamine. Maybe I need to acknowledge the fact that something

(46:52):
must be missing in my life because the only way I can sort of feel
good is to go on amazon.com and buy a toy, right? A
toy that I don't need, you know, like that would be one small
example of unbecoming that. And what do you have
to do to do that? Well, you have to address the fact that, You
must not be meditating enough or being centered enough

(47:12):
or being intentional something you're not doing something if the way
you get your kick every day is to buy something on amazon right yeah so
i thought that was a powerful statement i love that i mean i practice that
When i want to go and eat something unhealthy or spend money on something stupid
what would a what would a healthy person who love their body.

(47:34):
What would they choose? What would someone who's smart with their
money, what would they choose? And often that
addiction to those things, to drugs, to the dopamine, it's
just a breath. It's a pause, an awareness. And
it passes. And it passes. So absolutely, I

(47:55):
So this is interesting. So this, yeah, you're, you're a wealth advisor, but
you're, you're really bringing a lot of spiritual
teaching into the way you work with people. That's
cool. You know, I've talked to a few, I've had, you're not the first person I've
worked with, um, with money, but you're my
favorite so far, but none of the others I'd worked with before ever

(48:16):
really spoke this way. It was very practical. It was, let me see
your budget. This is going here and that's going there. And then we, you know,
we try to do it and, but you're teaching a philosophy to these people.
You're changing their mind, which changes their habits, which changes the
Absolutely. You know, it's what is the life you want to create? What does your
life look like? Your ideal life look like? And then now I

(48:37):
can't make you fit into this box of like, follow this
budget and save this much every, you know, that would be, you
know, a futile exercise because you would never follow it. Right.
I have to always be creating a custom
plan that aligns with the life that my clients want to create. And
then I do all the busy, boring shit in the background that

(49:03):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of boring, tedious things that I
do, but you know, my first goal
is to get to know my clients on a deep level, understand what
their goals are, and then what obstacles,
what they need to unbecome. and how I can unconsciously

(49:24):
help them do that, right? Because we never want to do things consciously, right?
I have to learn to weave their
Yeah, yeah. Every person is probably different. Some people need to
be told what to do sternly. Some people need suggestions. Other people need
hints of advice. I mean, yeah, that's a
very dynamic way of handling your job. It

(49:46):
sounds a bit kind of overwhelming. I mean, you're kind of a
counselor for not just people, but
Absolutely. You know, there's a lot of people who think differently about
their money than their spouse does. And that's a constant source of conflict. You
know, money's the number one reason for divorce. So absolutely.
When I get to a spouse, two partners together, there's some therapy there

(50:13):
I do because it's part of my life's purpose. You know,
it's, it's hard. Yeah. I always tell people my job
is amazing. I have so much deep purpose, but it's
not a great responsibility. I have that to manage people's life savings,
everything they've worked hard for. You know, I have most
of my clients don't make a financial decision without my

(50:40):
No, I'm serious. Yeah. I actually Holly's company. Yeah.
But I tell people, I'm your personal CFO. Every financial decision
you make, I'm a part of, you know, and then that's a big wave. But,
you know, there's nothing that gives you deep purpose without

(51:01):
that great responsibility. I mean, you're tattooing something
Or until I get a, I guess a removed, but, um, but that's a big responsibility.
And it, it, it's sort of that, uh, weird dichotomy where it's like,
it's so meaningful and so meaningless simultaneously.

(51:25):
You know, I say that genuinely because I've had artists
who have been stifled by the, They lacked the
ability to see the meaninglessness of it,
and they became completely identified with being
the tattoo artist. And I and I've gotten in trouble for this.
I've been like, you know, when I see an artist just, you

(51:46):
know, and this is a beautiful thing when they're so stressed out about it
has to be perfect, has to be perfect. And I always be like, dude, they're
just tattoos. Who gives a fuck? Yeah. You know, I'm joking a
little, but I'm illustrating a bigger philosophical point, which is get
up in the morning, do your best and then let go of it.
Yeah. And it's never going to be good enough to your standards. But that's

(52:06):
the best you had yesterday. And in that state, you get
No, no. And I, and I have to take that with my job. It's every
I was thinking of you because you're managing people's personal wealth. Your decisions could
affect their children going to what college or not going to college. I mean, that's

(52:26):
Exactly. I, but I have to tell myself I'm making the
best decision. I have the best intentions. I'm very educated. I
have a tremendous amount of experience and I take all of that every
day and I make the best choice possible and I do have to let it go. At
the end of the day. Yeah, but I don't always that's why I meditate like hell, you

(52:47):
I just know it exists and that's the goal Yeah, well people say oh you're
meditate you're sound healer. My god, you must be so zen. I'm like i'm
actually nuts But if I, you know, I'd
That's cool. Well, you know, I have to, you know, with
all of your expertise and all of your education, I mean, this

(53:10):
is a little off the, you know, what we're talking about now, but what's your take
I mean, it's an interesting time. I'll just preface this by saying, and
I don't fully understand this, but COVID shook
the boat. I mean, I don't know how else to put it. Everything, money flowed
this way, money flowed that way. Loans were given this way, this way. All

(53:31):
this money just moved everywhere. And now it's all, I
want to say, simmered down to some degree. And we're seeing the
inflation were what to say what we're seeing what we have seen
in my business service industry businesses people have been
a little tighter with their money than they were. I'm during
covid and right after covid people were spending like bananas during

(53:51):
that whole time frame i think it was just. people
needed an outlet, one. And two, a lot of money was shoved from
the government to people. And even though it was money they should have
saved, when you get a check from the government, it feels like free money. You're
not gonna save that check. It's like, fuck yeah, two grand, let's go get
some tattoos. And now that's sort of burnt

(54:13):
itself out. All that money's been spent. This is just my take. And
now we're where we are at. And I'd like to know your take
Yeah, well, I mean, I think we're a consumption based
economy. The U.S. is. I mean, it drives 80 percent of our GDP,
our gross domestic product, and we'll always be that way. So it doesn't surprise

(54:33):
me that that's how most Americans react. And now, just like
why the rich get richer, what did the rich do? They got PPP loans or
reinvested in their businesses. They invested in the stock
market, they saved. So it doesn't surprise
me what happened there. I think because
of the internet, because of social media, everyone's getting

(54:56):
their news off of Instagram. It's just so easy to access,
right? That it always feels like it's never been
worse than right now. There have absolutely been things
that have happened throughout the course of American history that have been just
as traumatic. you know, president be
assassinated. Okay. Um, we had nine 11, um,

(55:18):
there's been multiple economic booms and bus and
in big, you know, inflation and interest rates at
15%. And it's actually not the worst it's ever
been in terms of in different, in different ways. You know, now
we did have, interest rates move as, as its
fastest rate ever. So that's, that's, um,

(55:41):
and that had a ripple effect across markets. But
I think going forward, America, you know, America's resilient. We are the best
economy in this world. You know, there are checks and balances. I
think the best that you can do is be diversified with where
you have your revenue streams, whether you have your investments, that
you have some emergency reserves. you know, they've looked

(56:02):
at stock market, Democratic president, Republican
president, Democratic house, you know, it, it all like really doesn't matter,
you know, it really doesn't matter, you know? And so all
you can control is yourself and that's back to a spiritual approach to
it. You know, when I do financial planning for my clients, I
have to plan for, you know, the stock market possibly losing

(56:24):
half of its value, which it has three or four times over
my lifetime. And I don't want to tell my clients, you
can't go on vacation with your family this year because the stock market's
down 20%. We planned for that possibility and
they still go. You know, that's freedom. That's wealth. The
freedom to do what you want when you want. And that's what we're planning for. So

(56:45):
I think, you know, don't get too caught up in the
crisis du jour, you know, the crisis of the day and
where the economy may be going. You, you do have a lot
of control over your habits and how, where
you choose to put your money that insulate you from
those things that you really have no control over. That's my view on

(57:06):
I agree with that. Yeah, it's not, it's not so bad out there. And when you look at
the, uh, what, what has happened just in America over the last hundred years,
this is, it's not that bad, you know, people bitching
about the interest and you're right in the eighties, I think it was up to
15%, you know? Um, so what are we at now? What's prime now? I don't
We're back. Interest rates are slowly trending towards the

(57:28):
Fed, the Federal Reserve's target of 2%. I think we're
somewhere around 3% now. And so, you know, there's
talks about an upcoming Fed rate cut. So
I, you know, it's, it's, it's
funny. Right before the election. Isn't that ironic? Yeah,
it's all it's all intertwined. But isn't that funny in

(57:51):
that everyone is worried about the stock market correcting,
but the economy has to slow down. We kind of have to get into a
recession for all that to shake. You know, it's I always tell
my clients good news, bad news. The economy is doing really strong. So the Fed's not
going to cut interest rates right now. Right. Yeah. You know,
oh, unemployment is still really low. But so inflation is

(58:12):
going to continue to be high as we have these demands on the economy. So,
you know, we can't have our cake and eat it too. You know,
it's, it's hard. Or we get in a situation where we were in
a low inflation environment, a low interest rate environment, and
this is where, what we got from that, right? That, that, that good time
happened too fast. It's, it's all a ying and a yang and a cycle of

(58:33):
life. You know, I, I guess we could put a spiritual spin
on everything happening in this world because it all, in, in, in
investment terms, they call it reversion to the mean. Everything comes back to
What I hear you saying is it's all very normal. And it's easy
for this stuff to be sensationalized. Right. Especially if
you're not a true student of economics and

(58:55):
you're just kind of watching your Instagram and trying to develop an opinion on
where America's headed. And the loudest voices prevail. You know,
I, I would agree with you 100%. I would agree with you on
the woke movement. You know, I have like my, my dad is just like, can
you believe it's like, it's like he's saying, um, well not him, dad,
sorry, people, you know, like the whole world is,

(59:15):
is losing their minds. And I'm just like, is it really that many people or
is that just what pops up on your Facebook feed? You know, it's
The extremists have easier access to a
And more motivation to talk i've never posted
a single thing in my life that was negative. And

(59:37):
most of the people I know that are going somewhere in life, they don't do that either. So
who is at home with all that time to talk all
that shit online? Check the source.
So that's good to hear. And I was hoping you'd say that, because I just
feel the same way. I don't have your education or any of that, but it just feels
that way to me. So what you're really saying, I think, what I'm reading between

(01:00:02):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Never mind that it lost half
of its value before. You know, yeah, that's a whole nother
I was obviously joking, but how do you feel about cryptocurrency? Whenever
my clients say I want to buy some crypto— Not as an investment, because
I think I would know your answer, which is we're going to do a well-rounded
portfolio that doesn't include crazy

(01:00:26):
shit like cryptocurrency. But I just meant more philosophically. Because
the idea of what they're doing kind of has... I
The blockchain technology absolutely continues to
have a value. Cryptocurrency as
a actual form of currency that would be widely accepted

(01:00:47):
around the world, I feel like has a long time to go, you
know? Why, with the volatility that Bitcoin and
crypto experiences, why would you sell a house that's
worth $2 million and exchange it for Bitcoin with
the possibility that tomorrow it could lose half of its value, right?
You'd rather use the stable US dollar. Now, I

(01:01:09):
know everyone has their concerns about the U.S. dollar and the
government printing money and all those things, but it's still much more stable than
what Bitcoin has done. Yeah. And so crypto as a
whole, I think, may have prevalence in
the future, but not anytime soon. I mean, technically, we're
all the U.S. dollars crypto. I mean, how many people actually pay

(01:01:31):
with hard money nowadays? It's all numbers on a on
your phone. It's all digital anyway. So digital currency
But to your point, I agree with you, the difference would be blockchain
versus the US dollars, not blockchain, right? So it can be manipulated,
it can be fraudulent. And that's the idea, at least, that

(01:01:52):
in a blockchain setting, That theoretically gets
removed. It's 100% transparent. It can't be tweaked or
toyed with. It's stored on millions of hard drives around
the planet, and you'd have to destroy all of those hard drives to
wipe it out. It's an interesting, yeah, I agree with you. That blockchain

(01:02:12):
Right. I mean, there's, you know, when people are using it for data
storage, I mean, things on the cloud, you know, that's all, and that's this blockchain
technology. Yeah, there's absolute prevalence that that independence of
storing data and being able to share data, you
On that note, talking about kind of wild, futuristic, well, I

(01:02:32):
don't know why I said that because this isn't wild and it's not futuristic, but
AI, um, and it's what impact do you see that having
AI is getting its boom now, but it's been utilized
in, in different ways for 20 plus years,
right? It's it, but it's becoming more accessible to

(01:02:54):
common people, right? To the rest of us, how it affects my
world is, you know, from an efficiency standpoint, how
I run my practice, it would affect just like any other business, right? The
ability to, have information sorted to,
you know, for, for example, how I use AI in my business now is whenever I have
a zoom call, you know, on a virtual meeting with clients, I'm

(01:03:14):
able to have that conversation transcribed and bullet pointed
and organized in a way that is easy
to capture the highlight points of, you know, other than that, I'd have
to transcribe what the conversation I had, then
write an email, you know, so that saves time. So from an
efficiency standpoint, in terms of investments, maybe

(01:03:36):
for those robo-advisors, where you're hiring
a financial advisor, they're able to give you
more personalized advice because now
you can ask it a question and it can output an
answer that's more custom. But that will never take the place of
me as a person. When robo-advisors came out

(01:03:56):
or AIs coming out, it's, oh, you know, that's going to do away with
the value you have as an advisor. Nothing can... I don't think there's
any competition for the level of experience and education and
perspective that I have. You know, we talked about my upbringing. We've
talked, you know, my 18 years of experience. Then I have too many letters after
my name that, you know, there's nothing, there's no AI tool

(01:04:21):
I don't know if I agree on all that, but one thing I will say you
bring to it that I don't see AI ever bringing to it, and that is your
soul. That spiritual aspect that you bring, that
intuitive aspect, that ability to sit there and listen to a
married couple and really sense on a deep level some of the potholes
and the thing. I don't know how AI gets there, and

(01:04:41):
then knowing the right words. to use for them versus them
and coaching people to become more wise about
how they approach money. Like, I don't know about AI doing that, but
on all those practical tasks, I mean, it's just going to be
Well, I think AI, do people need
to be concerned about their jobs? You know, I have a client's son.

(01:05:05):
Well, that's where I was going to go next is the labor market and AI.
I have a client's son now that does video editing. And
he's saying that AI is essentially making his
job, you know, obsolete now because you could just plug
it in and there's AI software that does it for
many of his clients for free or whatever, cheap subscription.

(01:05:29):
So absolutely. I mean, I think we all need to be mindful about
our value, right? And what we offer this world
I agree with that. I think it's going to be a pretty interesting two
years to five years. I mean, because this stuff is is

(01:05:50):
ramping up so quickly and getting smarter so fast. It's
going to be very entertaining. And I don't think any of us ultimately know where
that goes. I mean, it's a difficult thing to predict what AI
Well, there's, um, there's a book that's just come out
that said the author who's been studying AI for, I
don't know, 40 years or something like that. He says by 2045 that

(01:06:12):
we will all be part AI, that there'll be some sort of chip
installed inside of us that we will become
smarter humans because we have access, internal access. to
internal chat GPT, so to speak. So I
think we as humans will learn to, I
mean, we're all here, we're all trying to survive. So I

(01:06:35):
think the goal is to make sure the robots don't overtake
us, but we then merge with the robots, I guess is the key.
Yeah. No, and you know, it's, I'm just saying, I mean that,
that all those things you just said may or may not happen, but there are, it's
certainly feasible to say that the thing you just said could be
very prevalent in just five years, 10 years for sure. I

(01:06:56):
mean, anybody, anybody that, um, is a scientist or whatever could
extrapolate the growth rate and tell you that's, in other
words, it's not like we're talking about some, In a hundred years.
We're talking like soon. It's exponential, you know, 10 to
Yeah. It's crazy, man. I love
it. I love the subject. I love thinking about it. I mean, I

(01:07:18):
grew up loving sci-fi and I just feel like I'm in a sci-fi movie
at this point, you know. But there are practical implications,
and a big one, I think, is you're right, the labor market. And really being
honest with yourself about what you do for a living, what
value you bring to others, and how
much of that, if you kind of look at what CHAT, GPT, and

(01:07:40):
these large language models do, how much of what you do is
probably gonna be replaced, and then some
kind of pivot. Yeah. Yeah. People got
to take that seriously. Some people got to take that very seriously.
I have a friend who owns a law firm up in Los Angeles, and I think
he was telling me in the next two years, they're going to be

(01:08:01):
letting go 80% of all the paralegals. Wow. For sure. And
it'll all be done, you know, a paralegal, a
person will sue somebody. They'll send the law firm a
20-page document outlining everything that happened.
A paralegal has to sit there, read 20 pages, and out of that 20 pages,
he's like, only about a paragraph is

(01:08:24):
applicable that we can actually take into this lawsuit. So
there's the paralegal, just like, this is all just emotional bullshit. Oh,
right here, that guy broke a law. We need to note that. Yeah.
They don't have to do it anymore. In my field, we have a tax planning
software. So before, I'd have to get my client's tax returns and

(01:08:44):
read all and just try to find things, you know, that are... might
be wrong or I could save them on taxes or whatnot. Now
there's a software that take the whole tax return and then
give me the highlights of everything and what I
should be looking for. That takes hours out of
my day. But that, you know, just like your partner, his

(01:09:05):
job is not going to become obsolete because his ability is strategized, you
know, and the same thing with my job. So we all have
to learn. I mean, we've been doing it is learning how to leverage technology
in a way that makes us more efficient and the things
that we're really good at valuable. You know, I talk about soul success,
building sustainable success and soul alignment, right? Soul alignment

(01:09:28):
is having a career in soul that's aligned with your soul is
where your passions and your strengths align with
the contributions and needs of this world, right? So you have
And I think those opportunities will always exist. I do. And
there, if you're out there in a position where you're like, shit, like
my job's completely replaceable, just know that

(01:09:51):
there is somewhere for you. Like do, you know, get quiet,
listen to your heart. Right. Breathe. Think about the
things you enjoy. Think about the things that turn you on. Think about the things that
you're passionate about. And then think about the needs of your community
and the people around you. What is the, my dad always told me, find
a need and fill it. The bigger the need, the larger the financial reward,

(01:10:12):
you know, you know, so there's all sorts of needs still out there.
So I'm just saying that to, I know there's a lot of people very nervous about
this whole thing, you know, and, um, but there's always
going to be something for you out there. Wow. You're cool. Thank
you. You are very cool. And I'm stoked
that you're my financial wealth advisor. We

(01:10:34):
just got going, but I don't know. I think I'm going
to be in a far better place in five years knowing you than I am today.
And i'm doing okay but now i'd like to create more wealth i'd
like to be. Able to to to help
more people to be a better father to to
enjoy my life to its fullest i told you this earlier

(01:10:55):
but, when i started my spiritual journey which i don't know
it was probably late high getting out of high school reading a lot of buddhism when
i am i early years associated wealth with. Evil
you know like i'm not gonna i just subconsciously saw
myself as a person who would not have a lot One of the reasons i
became a tattoo artist is because i was very comfortable in that space my you know

(01:11:16):
people around me are like oh you know this is 33 years ago you're gonna be
a tattoo artist so you're cool like never really being i have
money to raise a family or have a home and i my answer to them was like yeah
i am because i don't see myself having wealth anyway why would i want to be an evil person
But over the years, I've realized that wealth and abundance is
a gift that you can share with others, that you can use

(01:11:39):
to support people around you and the people you love. And it's
absolutely deserving. We're all deserving of that. And
it's there for all of us, especially here in America, in
the West. I mean, it's there, and anybody who wants
it can have it. But I do think, like anything in
life, if you wanted to be really, really fit, you get a

(01:11:59):
trainer. You know you are professional people like yourself
And i should have started this long time ago but whatever it is
today and here we are you have plenty of time well you know i eat there's
buddhist proverbs something like hold everything hold nothing right.
you know, this idea that I need to have a minimalist lifestyle, then I'm

(01:12:20):
not of this world and I'm not attached to these things. You know, there's a lot of people, I'm
going to go live on a compound commune and, you know, not
be attached to these earthly things, then I can reach spiritual alignment. And
it's actually the ability to have all those things, but
be completely detached to the outcome is, you
know, true enlightenment and spiritual growth. And so when
people hear that I, you know, love meditation and I'm a sound healer in

(01:12:44):
my spare time, you know, like, Oh, is she really a good wealth advisor?
And for me, that's why I am
such a great wealth advisor. You know, one, I have a
true purpose. It's not just a job for me. You know, I really
care, but I focus more on
the life that you're trying to create and not just chasing, beating

(01:13:06):
the index or a number or whatever, because you're
always going to want more. We could, you know,
I could be up 10% in a client's portfolio and they're like, but why didn't I get 15%? You
know, but it's, we're always, it's natural
to want more. But if that 10% gets you to all
your girls are in college, you're taking vacations with your family. Is

(01:13:28):
that enough? You know, and so I lead with
that type of mindset. And
I think that gives the ease to
what I do and the ease in your life,
right? Because a lot of the reason why, you know, you're saying, oh, you know, I should
have should have got started on this path sooner is

(01:13:49):
always throughout this time in the back of your mind when you're like, I haven't been thinking about
these things. Yeah, I've been thinking about these things, you know, and what I bring to clients
is the peace of mind so that they can be present for their families because
we've had that conversation. We've thought about those things. You know, I
am your personal trainer for your finances. I tell you what you got to eat when
you have to work out and as long as you do those things, you'll

(01:14:10):
look like Chris Hemsworth, you know? Your balance sheet will look like Chris Hemsworth.
Yeah. It's the slow, slow habits. Yeah.
And I'll say this. I know there's a lot of people who don't want to meet with a wealth
advisor because they know they're going to have to make adjustments that
might be uncomfortable. But going through this process with you,
I didn't realize how much actually more comfortable I

(01:14:32):
feel. Like, I feel more peace of mind knowing
I'm now doing these things. Whereas before, there was
this little shadow part of me that always kind of knew like, you're not
doing your money right, dude. And it would just kind of, you know, so
there's a lot of peace in there. So, yeah, yeah. Get
in there and do it. You're going to feel better. It's just like anything else. It hurts to go to

(01:14:53):
the gym, but you feel a hell of a lot better, you know, especially after
it's been a few months and you just feel better because you've been doing the work. Right.
Well, let's close with this. I don't know why I thought this. I was
This is a tough... I mean, hey, look, first
of all, obviously, you probably couldn't do

(01:15:17):
So it's just a hypothetical, but what would be like a beautiful... The older
I get, the simpler those things become.
You know, my perfect day would be waking up with no alarm clock. But
I usually do. It's like as you get older, your internal clock
works better. But waking up, you know, around 6 a.m., I've
been really loving this brain tap device, who you should

(01:15:39):
have on your podcast. It's amazing. It's a meditation tool
that does auricular therapy. So light therapy
in the ears and the eyes while you're listening to a guided meditation.
I'm in. And I do a 10 to 20 minute meditation with
No, I get up and... You get up, go to a place you have, or

(01:16:02):
you sit? It depends. If I'm doing breath work, I sit. And
then I go into a workout. So I love to
move my body, give thanks to my body, spend time with my son,
spend time with my husband, be outside in nature, have a
glass of wine. eventually, but my perfect
day is just the ability to be present

(01:16:29):
Well put. I think you just described my perfect day. Yeah. Except I
get up at seven, not six. Slacker. That
is a beautiful day. You're right. I mean, a lot of people answer that question with
the perfect day. I'm on a private jet. I'm going to
Dubai and me and my friends are going to this place and this

(01:16:49):
concert, you know, it's like that. I mean, that's fine too, but
I am 52 years old and that would, that would describe a perfect day
for me too. It doesn't have to be fireworks and cannons
You know, and that's how when I when I when I got into my relationship with
Landon, it was so easy. I kind of

(01:17:09):
questioned it at first, because when we're young, we think
love is passionate and you
know, there's fights and then there's makeup sex and then there, you know, there's
all these explosions and it's exciting and, and
it was so easy. It's too easy. Oddly easy.
Um, and I thought, wow, this is real love when

(01:17:31):
you can just be at ease with someone, you know, and, and that's
real life and living is when you can
just be happy with not
Yeah, that's true. That's true. And
if you're seeking those highs, I would call them, they're
followed by lows, you know, and that's the problem. And

(01:17:56):
when I was younger years, that's the kind of guy I was. Always going
for the biggest emotion, the biggest feeling. Hit
enough valleys and start to even out now. That even
keel is where I'm shooting for nowadays. Well
put. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. Thank you, Sathya, for
all the help you've given me personally, for all the help that you

(01:18:17):
provide for all your clients, and for the inspiration of
your personal story. Just knowing you has made
my life better. I have a lot harder time
griping and whining about things knowing you. I really do. It's
one thing to hear these stories on the news or in school, but
You know, when you have a friend who's really been through something like that, it's, you know, I

(01:18:40):
think of you often, I'm like, just right, right when I'm ready to be
like that, that, wait a minute. That's not a real problem. And
that's it. I'm done. So you are an inspiration to me and
you are, I know, going to be an inspiration to everybody who listens to this episode. So
thank you for all that. The world is a better place with you in
it. I love your husband. I love you guys. I love your

(01:19:01):
family. Hey everybody, just want to take a moment and give a huge
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(01:19:23):
friends of mine. Thank you for your support. And now back to the show. How
My company website is Arise Private Wealth, R-A-R-I-S-E, privatewealth.com.
We have an Instagram, Arise Private Wealth. I'm also have my sound healing
Instagram is heart of Ananda, which means bliss in Sanskrit.
And then my Instagram, my personal is sathya underscore arise

(01:19:45):
Perfect. Perfect people. Yeah. If you want to get a
little tighter handle on your money, give her a call, hit her up. She
can do that for you and maybe teach you a little bit of a soul alignment
along the way. So, all right, let's end this with a nice namaste.
Namaste. Thank you for tuning in everybody. See you on

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