This week they discuss the report that a quantum computer solved a problem that would take super computers 1 million years to solve. They drink an 8 Year old Trail's End Bourbon and smoke the Partagas Heritage. They get onto the topic of 'living like kings', which I believe we all are.
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Welcome to our newest episode today. We will revisit the Partegas heritage and with it we will have
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Trails and Bourbon eight-year-old.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
All right, well the Partegas heritage is a 5.2x52. It has a Honduran or Olancho, a San Agustan
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rapper, a Connecticut broadleaf binder, and fillers consisting of the Dominican,
Paloto, Cubano, Nicaraguan, and Honduran tobaccos. MSRP is $10. The trails and bourbon eight-year-old
is bottled at 90 proof, has an MSRP of $33, and it is a collaboration between Hood River distillers,
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the oldest distillery in Oregon, and Clear Creek distillery, the second oldest distillery in Oregon.
All right, okay, let me get some interesting notes on this one. As you can tell, I haven't had a
lot of this yet. Yes. I just brought it up to, maybe you had it at Enfuego. I brought it up to the
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discard bar one night. I think I did. Well, then those are pretty light. It doesn't come off as 90.
It's got that regular vanilla bourbon nose. It's got a really long finish.
Yeah, and the finish is hotter, but it's good. I like to finish. It's got some quick legs on it.
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Hmm. You know, I'd say there's a little bit of spice in there. There's probably some
probably some rye in here. I don't know the mash bill, but not a lot. It's just a little spicy,
not too spicy. It's light, but it is eight years old. It's not too light in color. It's got a decent
color, almost a little, little sour to it. Yeah, this one is a bit less on the sweet side.
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It's a little bit drier and it's got a dry, a dry feel to it. Pleasant though.
On that back end, it comes off a whole lot hotter than 90.
And the finish. Yeah, it adds that tang and it covers the whole mouth.
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Pretty good. Yep. Not bad. Good start. We'll see what that is in an old-fashioned at the midpoint.
What? We got to start building our old-fashioned
repertoire again so we can make another bracket play. We do. We do. Last one was all walnut bitters.
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We have switched back to the regular bitters. Yeah, well, just what regular bitters again.
One thing we haven't done is gone past that with cherry or orange. Those are pretty common as well.
I have both of them. Well, I haven't put them in anything yet here though.
Let's, how about we do this next bracket play with the regular. Sure, sure, sure.
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And then pick one of the other ones and we'll do all fashions until we get a bracket play out
that way. We did with the walnut and you know, we flip-flop a little. Yeah, I agree. I liked how
the walnut helped some of them. Yeah, but it's not for all of them. It can be overpowering.
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Yeah, most of the time I'm just good with the regular bitters and be done.
I don't know if it's laziness in me. Well, it's a blend that probably the laziest thing in me is
you make them. I think that bitters have been evolving. That basic bitters have been evolving
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for a long time and it's like the cockroach. It's perfect already. It doesn't need to evolve
anymore. And that's probably why we like it. Cockroaches, alligators and crocodiles.
They they stopped evolving. They did. I'm sure they reached their pinnacle.
Yeah. And maybe the shoe, horse shoe crabs. I don't think they changed. Maybe. Yeah, maybe.
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Yeah. All right. Well, cigar really didn't need to settle in. This one lights up real nice.
But you're already further along than I am. I like this cigar. I'm going to be I'm going to be bad.
I'm going to probably go quick on this. I'll slow down. I got it. I got it. Well,
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I'm really kind of interested to see because I don't remember exactly what I say about every cigar in
every episode. So I'll probably go back and listen to the other episode to see if I said some of the
same things because who knows what I get today? Life's different. Yeah. Everything. Everything
that you do plays a part and to what you get out of any given cigar. I had a different dinner. I had
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a different life. So it may not. It may not. I get the feeling that some of the a lot of the
base stuff is going to be there. Yeah. But you know, the nuances or lack thereof could definitely
change. Yeah. So the first thing I get on this is it's woody. And I want to say it's got a cedar
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component because it's a very aromatic aromatic. Yeah. Would. Very nice start. But I don't know.
I don't know if it's the the trails end or if it's the cigar itself, but it's coming across
dry to me. Yeah, I'm not sure. Let me hear. I think I'm going to stick to water for a few
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to iron that out. So I I like that it also has some baking spice components. It's almost
ready. It's almost like a little bread background in there. And I like those baking, you know,
I'm a baking spice guy. So I like the baking spices thrown in with that cedar. It's like a lot of
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rather really, really poppy flavors, pops. Right. It's not it's not basic. Not poppies, but it's
poppy. Yes. You said poppy and I'm thinking, not Pakistan. No, not that poppy either.
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But this would be this would be one example for me of a medium stick that you could hand to somebody
who's looking to get a medium stick that is coming out of the mild world. And oh, yeah,
it'd be real nice. Oh, yeah. This one. Yes. But I think if you're coming out of flavored cigars
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and trying to get into more normal premium cigars, right, this may not necessarily be the one for you.
Right. Because if you're if you're coming from that, I think you would like a little bit more
little, little more gentle, gentleness to it. Okay. Right. If you're already in a premium medium or
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premium premium mild and you're moving your way up to a medium, this is a good stick for that.
But if but if you're coming out of the flavored cigar world, I think I think maybe this is too.
I think it's a little too harsh for that. Really? Does that make sense? Well, I think there's
plenty of flavored cigars that are mediums already. So I don't think this is be that
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bunch of a leap to me. This has this has a wood and an earth component to it. And I think that earth
might be just a bit much for somebody coming from that that side of things. See, I think the earth is
more muted than the wood and the baking spices. Those are much more forward for me. The wood is
more like I'm sorry, the earth is more like in the background and in the finish. I get a little
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I get it a little bit more upfront. I think that you do. But well, you're you're a super earth fan.
So you probably taste it more easily than I do. I do like it. But by the same token, I can't get
cocoa. So it balances out in the end. Okay. All right. Good. Good first third.
Good liquor start. Anything to add before we add a tech article? No, let's do it.
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All right. Now we we've talked about quantum computers in other episodes.
And one of the things that quantum computers have done is be fast. But they were always
basically like speed checks and they would do something over and over and just go, wow, that was
really, really fast. And I hadn't seen a lot of articles where it solved the problem because it's
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not like we have a programming language for it yet. So you really have to tailor whatever you're
doing to that goal. And it looks like they did something like this. I don't want to
read all of it because some of it really covers stuff that we kind of already know.
So they they have this I pulled this from MSN, but I bet it's everywhere.
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World first, US quantum computer solves problem million years faster than super computer.
So this is from D wave quantum incorporated. California startup working in quantum computing
and trying to solve real world problems. So there's a little bit of, you know,
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background of computing power. They talk about Moore's law and how we've been
following Moore's wall for a while. This would be a giant,
giant, giantly, forward. So I think we've said that before. Yeah. Right. And so some of the things
that we want to solve really need something that super computers just can't do. And this is the
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only thing that can do it. So they specifically mentioned climate change and drug discovery. So
drug discovery is really what they tend to call lock and key type things that the molecule has to
fit exactly into a receptor in your body or something like that. Right. And it has to be perfect.
And then the efficacy of that drug will only be as good as how well it fits in and doesn't cause
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that effect. So they're talking about talking about those kinds of things. And they mentioned
what they actually solved. So this isn't something I'm super familiar with. So they perform simulations
of programmable spin glasses and magnetic materials problem known to be computationally hard.
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So that's, that's where they started. So I'm not familiar with magnetic minerals,
but they're used in a number of applications ranging from medicine, semiconductors,
to sensors, motors, and things like this. Again, I'm not sure. But these materials are
microscopically small. And understanding their interactions has been difficult because when it
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gets that small, do you have a lot of computations to do because there's so many freedoms,
right? They'll, you know, call them like positions or freedoms or, you know, possibilities of the
interaction. So they've solved a problem with it. And that's what is amazing is that they
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actually use the supercomputer to solve a problem. So that's why I wanted to mention it. And to do
it in an area that is difficult and in minutes, in minutes, which they said would have taken
a million years on a supercomputer. So that kind of reminds me a little bit of a particular
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Douglas Adams book where the earth is a computer and we ask it, what is the meaning of life?
And it says, well, I'll get back to you in whatever 13 million years.
And then its answer is 42. Yes. And then they said, spoiler alert. Then they said, wait a minute.
Well, so what's the question? And it said, well, give me another 13 million years, that kind of
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thing. So and then it made way for a space suit, a space highway. So this was pretty cool. So
they've got a scroll down a little bit. So an annealing quantum computer uses quantum mechanics
to find optimal solutions to complex problems. And this approach system starts in a superposition
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of all possible solutions. That's that high degree of freedom kind of thing, which is a high energy
state and aims to reach its minimum or low energy state through a process of annealing or just
going through all the possible states. So basically, they brute forced every possible state these
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atoms molecules could be in until they found its lowest possible energy solution and said,
that's probably the state they're in. Like, wow, that's a lot of computer power, right?
All right, so this problem and their quantum computer and the frontier supercomputer at Oak Ridge
National Laboratory, the quantum computer returned results in a few minutes. And the supercomputer
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was running and they looked at where it was, I guess, when it finished and they extrapolated
that to say it would have taken, I'm going to go roughly a million years, because I'm sure the
moment it finished was not perfect and all this kind of stuff, but million years versus minutes.
I like their other quantification on the supercomputer.
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Estimate take a billion years to solve while consuming annual global electricity.
Right, right. If you fed it all the electricity in the world, it would take a million years. Yeah.
That's really amazing. And this is probably why we keep talking about how quantum computing,
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when it does reach a viable state, will change all of life as we know it.
Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, beyond what you could imagine, this is, I mean, this is
sci-fi in real time is what this is. Right, I don't even know that sci-fi imagine that this would be
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something, they just said, oh, it'd be way fast, it'd be fast. They didn't imagine that it would be
this fast. Yeah, so one of the things that they do not state in this article is
what type of error handling had to happen. What kind of check sums in essence did they use,
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or had to be used for it to come up with this? Right. I mean, matter of minutes.
Yeah, it's just it's, which by the way itself is a long time for a quantum computer to remain
stable and turn out an answer. Yes. That is a record. That's got to be a record too. And that's
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why we're talking about it, because it's not really solved anything yet. And if I missed something,
well, maybe I missed something and I apologize. This is one of the first ones. This is the first
one I've seen. And possibly one of the first ones where people were trying to solve something and
not just do a speed test. Right. Like if you do, if you pull up your Wi-Fi connection, you do a
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speed test and it tells you how fast it's going. It didn't really solve anything except to tell
you how fast it went. Yes. Yeah. And I think that's what quantum computing has been doing.
And this actually applied it and was able to do some kind of calculations that meaningful.
Yeah, meaningful calculations. But once we're able to actually apply a programming language
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onto it, we will break everything. All encryption falls. Right. Everything is figured out.
Yeah, instantaneously. Yeah. Yes. Because you can brute force that with quantum computing.
Right. You can you can just brute force. And this article is proof positive that it could.
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Yeah, it brute forced one of the hardest things to do, which is molecular molecular interactions.
But by the by the same by the same token, if you can if you can break it with brute force quantum
computing, you could use quantum computing to create your next algorithm or your next encryption.
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Right. This is true. Right. That's true. So both can happen. Yeah. And both have to happen.
Of course. So I'm not I'm not as concerned about that. My
the main concern is how much time between adoption of a new encryption algorithm
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that's quantum based and and you know the from the time that quantum computers was used for
hacking these things, right, especially banking and financial systems. Yeah. But look at what
we've just done with the computers that we have and Doppler radar and all the other things that
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we've added to our our weather forecasting that you could now throw every piece of information
that's happening in the planet and probably forecast with near perfection what's going to happen next
with weather. Yes, you could do that with drug discovery. Now all of a sudden you say, well, use
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every atom in every possible configuration to be the perfect drug for this receptor site. And
bam, you have a molecule that you can synthesize and figure out what it's doing, right? Yeah,
the limitation the limitation at that point would become
set up the goodness the goodness of your inputs, right? Right. And that then that then becomes a whole
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technology world in and of itself, right? It's crazy. Yeah. And then you add an AI on top of that
evolution of technology. Yeah. And then you make me make AI. What's minutes to a year?
Times a million long, long time. So now, you know, now the AI can do things. Hundreds of millions
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of times faster. Any thing. Yeah. Not just things. All things. All things. Really. I mean,
it's, it's, it's sci fi come to life and beating it. Mm hmm. So I think that would be
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really amazing. So, and again, life altering. The whole planet would change. Yeah. World,
world life altering. Yeah. Even for people who don't use computers. Oh, yeah. There's lots of
people already don't use computers and computers have changed their lives. Right. Mm hmm. All right. So
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why don't we take a break, come back with an old fashion. All righty. You good with that? Yeah.
Let's do it.
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So, app cigar, Daryl and at bill underscore CLM. All right. We're back with old fashions in hand.
Yeah. It's, it's orgy. It is very orgy. And since I know there are no orges over there,
right? It's got to be the liquor. Exactly. I like it. I like it. I'm two steps in and I'm
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already saying this is bracket play worthy. Yeah. I put this in the bracket play. Yeah.
It's, it's orgy and it it tames the lemon, but the lemon is still coming through. Like it's not,
it's not a candy old fashioned. It's not super sweet. No. I think this is a sweet spot for old
fashions. That's a good, good place for old fashions. Mm hmm. Let me do a drink, Ross. Yeah,
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does this cigar. Yep. It kicks the cigar on its butt. Yeah. Now it's just a cigar.
The baking spices are gone. It's just woody. That's, that's why we don't expect much
out of a cigar with an old fashion. So I have notated down. I have notated down man. This is,
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this is probably the fastest after bracket play. We started another bracket play. This,
that's that's awesome. Absolutely awesome. Love it. I like that. Now I gotta get it out of my mouth.
We are nailing it. Okay. That's that is a very, very respectable
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fashion right there. Respectable. I feel like I should sit up straight. Yeah, I'm not gonna.
I'm already lounging. You got your feet up and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you are
comfortable? You're exuding comfort. Thank you. Relaxation. Mm hmm. It's even, it's even kind of
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kicking the whiskey a little bit. Trying to rinse with some whiskey and I'm like,
I'm still kind of tired. Water won't do it. I need whiskey. Oh wait, not enough. Hey Bill,
you got that white dog. You got that. You got that, you got that moon shot. Okay. I'm starting to
get the whiskey again. So I think we, okay, soon. All right. Very nice. Very nice. Okay. I finished
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my old fashion. Now I got a rinse rinse. No, I had, I had my prepared statement as I made the old
fashions about the midpoint of the cigar. This is just an excellent cigar. They're not hard to find
and 10 dollars. It's not gonna break the pocket. It's a robusto. So it's gonna be a little bit
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quicker smoked than a Toro or something a little bit more. But it is such an enjoyable cigar that
I'm fine with that. I take it no change for you. No, no, I was really enjoying the baking spices
and the cedar. It was very nice. I wanted to, I wanted to talk about that for a moment. Yeah. So I
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was not really getting the cedar. Hmm. But you remember at the very beginning, I said, I said,
I'm getting a dryness and I didn't know if it was coming from the liquor from the cigar.
Turns out it was coming from the liquor. And once that dryness went away, I got the cedar.
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But I did not get it. I did not get it with the liquor. Okay. So, but I got, also, I got more
earth with the liquor than I did without. Okay. Which that I find extremely odd.
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Right. You would think the liquor would kind of, but maybe it, maybe it tamps down the lighter things
and so the heavier things come out. Maybe that's what it was. I don't know for sure. I'm just about
to start on the liquor. So, but I did want to mention that.
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Well, the liquor is starting to taste like the liquor again after the old fashioned. It takes a,
I got, I got a few rounds of water, water, whiskey, water, whiskey, water, to try to
scratch, clear, scratch, scratch. Well, I always want to try new old fashions. I know they're going
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to disrupt this again. I know it. But it's now a thing. We can't stop. No, no, I wouldn't even
want to stop. Especially when somebody, when somebody sends you a note and says, where are the old
fashions at? Right. Right. Okay. Because we have gone some pretty long stints occasionally,
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where we don't have an old fashioned. So it's true. We have had some gaps. And some, some liquors
just aren't worthy of making old fashioned of, or they're too expensive. They violate my rule of
60. And yeah, there it is. There's some, there are some exceptions. You've done some exceptions.
There are exceptions to every rule. But I had to have a rule before I could accept it.
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Before you could have an exception, not accept the rule. Right.
When you said accept it, I went A. Yeah. Instead of E.
Midpoint for you on this regard. I just said it. Now, okay, you're you're complete, then. Okay.
I am complete. I did not do a midpoint on the liquor because for most of the front half,
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I did not drink the liquor. Cool. Because I was trying to,
I was really trying to figure out where that dryness was coming from. And then the rest of it
just kind of surprised me. There is still a little bit of lingering. I assume it's a little bit of
a lingering old fashioned because now I'm getting like the paper. And I know that has not been there.
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So I'm getting a dryness and a paper for for now. But I don't think that's in the cigar.
I normally, obviously it's there now. I attribute I attribute the dryness that I was getting to
the liquor straight. Not to the old fashioned because I got that from the good go. Right. But
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I started I started sipping the trails in before I before I really started tasting this cigar.
So I that that played a part I'm pretty sure. Yeah. The only thing I didn't mention before
the drink draw really didn't interfere with the scar. And I really liked that. It wasn't
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taking out some of those subtler notes. I was still getting really nice baking spices, which
often can be one of the first things that goes with a with a whiskey. Yes. So I was still getting
that. But now you're getting paper, which I'm getting paper, which it will you will probably go
away as we keep. I like your thing. I like your phrasing on that papers a delicate flavor.
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Well, it is. I don't know. I don't know why. But I like that phrasing. It is for me. So
it's a little surprise that it's been brought out by the remnants of the old remnants of the old
fashioned and rinse with with trails in a water, treaset water, treaset. It's a journey.
Yeah. But it's a wonderful journey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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All right. And we're almost living like kings here. We're living better than kings.
You think you think kings had any of the niceties we have now? The average person lives better than
a king. Now, have you had an orange? Well, yes, you're living better than almost all the European
kings prior to 1600.
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You had a banana. But that's also true of most of the population of the world previous to us.
Name any fruit and vegetable and nobody had them in Europe prior to 1600.
Okay. Here's a thing. We were we were I don't remember what the fruit was, but we were we were
in the fruit and veggies area. I know shocker for me to be in the fruit and veggies areas of a
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grocery store. You were probably lost. But we were there and I think it was pineapples or
something like that, right? I'm like, this isn't the season for pineapples or is it?
It's like everything's in season now. I just get over it.
Exactly. It's amazing. Now, I will say that when you get strawberries and blueberries out of
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season that are made in hot houses and they don't have the flavor of the fresh grown ones
in the dirt, right? The hydroponic stuff does not have the flavor that dirt stuff has. But
better something than nothing. Okay, I'll buy that. Yeah, I'll buy that. What about the little
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strawberries that grow wild at your brother's place? I've never eaten one of them. You know,
I know it sounds weird, right? How could you not you eat everything? Or at least taste
everything. You're like Mikey. How could you not eat one of those? They've been there for years.
Yeah, I know. You've been going there for years. Yeah. And by years, I mean, years and years and
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years. Twenty plus. Yeah. And they're always there. And you've never. I'll make it in the I'll make
it a note. I will go try one. I'm I'm shocked. If it makes you feel any better. I don't think
Patty to me. I've never seen them pluck them. I've never seen them in their fridge. If they were
in the fridge, I'd eat them. Surely Pat's tried them and said off the ass. No, it's good. I mean,
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they are tiny. Yeah, pretty tiny. Yeah, because they're wild. They're not, you know, he did. I
don't even think he planted it. I don't even think he planted them. They probably grew from compost.
No, squirrel crap. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Either an animal, either an animal delivered
that he just put it around from his or compost. Shite or scat. Hmm. Everybody loves calling it
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scat. And your scat, bear scat, which really ruins the music genre for me.
I never cared for the word scat. Oh, I like it. I'm on board with scat.
Don't look in reference to poop. Yeah, no, exactly. That's why I mean I like the music reference and
the poop reference. But I feel it takes something away from the music reference.
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The tracks a little bit when you refer to it as scat. I'm just saying, anyway, it doesn't matter.
It's hard to laugh with liquor in your mouth. I guess my point is we're all living like kings.
Better. Fine. I was trying to say we're doing fucking awesome. We are. Maybe I should just say
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that. We're doing fucking awesome. We're doing better than we're not doing as well as today's kings.
Everything's relative, man. Everything's relative.
I like the look on the bright side. You. Yeah, we're doing better than kings 400 years ago.
Shiff 50 years ago. Well, yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, probably.
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It's a human condition. You want to get better over time. Yeah. Things become more abundant over
time. And you want more the more you have. It's just a, I don't know if it's a fatal flaw or what,
but no matter what you have, you want more. I mean, look at Elon Musk.
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Think about just our grandparents, right? They went from, you know,
horses to cars to radio to, to, to, to, yeah, I didn't have a TV until he was like 30 or something.
This is radio. I didn't have a microwave toss 18. Does that count? War of the world was done over
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the radio and it only worked because nobody had any communication. Yeah. Yeah. That wouldn't work
today. No, you just be like, well, and you'd Google it. No, that's not deep fake. It could work. Yeah,
yeah, that's, that's true. You can't. So you can't, you can't underestimate how much people can be
fooled. The, the TV and, and, and the break room next to where I sit has, I don't know, has some
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cable channel on and I was in there getting coffee and this scruffy haired short guy, I don't know that
he's short. He just, the look of him, he looked short. And, and he's talking that it's very
muted. So it's hard to hear. And I'm looking at it and all of a sudden it comes up with his name
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and says ancient astronaut theorist. Okay. I did not know this was a thing let alone a title.
Yeah. Well, it's easy to get the title if you're the only one.
Apparently so. Yeah. I don't know if he's the only one or not. He's the only one I saw.
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I haven't looked this up yet to see what it's about. But they were discussing pyramids. So,
you know, well, we are starting to rethink how old they are.
Yes. I've seen that. But these article, these, these clips look like they're from, you know,
the early 2000s. Okay. It's still in four by three. I hear, yeah. You know,
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yeah. So yeah, we still have flat earth. So you can, you can, people can be still fooled
even today. I do like, I like the title because it's, it's vague and specific at the same time.
You know, and, but where the, that's where it lies. But the problem is it's too long.
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Ancient astronaut theorists. There's too many letters there. It's too long.
Just because astronauts long word. It is. But three, three's not bad. You didn't go over three, right?
True. True. Four and plus word would be that'd be way too much.
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That'd be pompous. Right. Yes. But, you know, like two, two's definitely not too much. Three,
three's all right. Four's too much. Two's about normal, right? Sure. But,
yeah, ancient astronaut theorists. Nice. Well, I don't look forward to his show.
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It's just the title got me. The title got me. I was, I was, and I think I audibly said, what?
And you were alone. And you still audibly said what? No, I wasn't alone. Oh, okay. I was not alone.
But I was caught off guard. Yeah. No, I can see that. But I'll accept that we are living like
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kings wholeheartedly, except we are living like kings.
And I am having a time. I let it go out once. Yeah, we had a long break to make the old fashions.
Yeah, you got the lighter, a big lighter. I have one. Yeah.
Because I ran the little one out of juice. Oops. Yeah. I feel now I feel like we are
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remiss in our titles. You mean you and I? No. Again, though, two words, right? I'm a product
engineer. Now I can add. No, I meant for the, for the, for the company over the podcast.
Right. Because you were, you were, shit, I can't remember what it was now. We came up with some goofy ones. You were director of something. Oh, our titles. Yeah. I can't.
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Can't remember what those were. Oh, they definitely exceeded three. Because I think we were being silly. Yeah, we were being goofy. But, I mean, ancient astronaut there is surely we could come up with something better. Yes.
I bet I could. We need to figure this out. We need to come up with getting the brain
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storm that you can't just throw one out now, right? Don't know what I mean. Think about it. No, we need to think about it. This, this will be broadcasted on a later episode.
Provided we remember we're gonna, we're gonna use AI to come up with pompous titles. Oh, that would work. And then we're gonna review them. That's so us.
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We're gonna review them on a show. Yeah, that's in our wheelhouse. And then we're gonna pick one each. Okay.
Let's see. Why not? And maybe, maybe, maybe we need to have a guest or two while we do this. Okay.
Okay. You want to do. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. For our listeners. Yeah.
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If you got ideas. Yeah, we haven't for pompous ideas for a while. Send us ideas. Okay.
And nobody's, nobody's given us a liquor recommendation or a show a recommendation for a while now.
That's because we've been slaying it. That's exactly right.
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I mean, look over the past year. Look at this. Some of the, some of the liquor and cigars that we've had.
Pretty damn awesome. Yeah. And pretty, pretty wide diversity of, of options.
Yes. Yes. Although I do assume this year that our rankings are going to be heavily earth-influenced.
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I don't know what would give you that idea. At least they're not ancient,
astronaut, theorist, influenced. No, you're gonna have to come up with your own title.
He's got that one already. That was been figured out, huh? We only need one.
All right. Are you ready? Are you at the top in your field? Well, I guess I am.
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I made it up just now. You're ready to do the final third and rank these things.
Let's do it. All right. All right. Do it. I got a, I need to.
Well, the good news is I got, I got the cigar back. It didn't,
well, good. It didn't languish in the aftermath of the old fashion for too long.
So I very much, I very much enjoy that. Hmm. Where am I going to put this? This is a,
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this is a tough one. Yeah. So is this damn you, anyway.
Yeah. Well, okay. You have a, you haven't figured out. I've got mine. Oh, damn. I think I'm gonna,
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna do it. Damn. I'm gonna do it. Okay. I did it. It's done now.
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All right. Here we go. It's done now.
Wow. Here's what, here's what Bill did. So we have,
we have their Pertega's heritage climbing to number four,
just behind number three, Edbanchera Kings gold, and just above number five,
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diesel original. And I, I see where you went with that. Now, here's what is surprising.
This was not an earth, earth, earth cigar and the diesel is far more earthy.
Diesel is far more earthy. And you put a cedar baking spice cigar in the number four spot.
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I have to admit, this surprises me. I know.
Surprised. It would not surprise you if I said my, my, my, my quandary was
ahead of the diesel or just behind the diesel. I could believe that. That, that probably wouldn't
surprise you. But the fact that I put it ahead of the diesel, did. And I, I, I, I was, I was rocking
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back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I'm like, it's, I just got to, I, I thoroughly
enjoy this cigar. I just really do. So awesome. All right.
And that's why I put it back in this year, because last year you were going quite on about it.
Yeah. So I wanted to see where you put it. So yeah. And it's probably only been a year since we had
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this. So just about. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. I just had to know where you're going to put it.
It is, it is such a good stick. It's $10. Yeah. And it's so easy of a smoke. That's very nice.
That's wonderful. All right. Uh, so onto the liquor. Darryl put it. Oh, number 10. Yes.
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The number 10 slot just below the rebel 100 rye and the Cedar Ridge port finished. I know you
like that port finished. I like port finishes, but that one didn't stand out to me like so many
other port finishes. And I did really like that rebel 100. And I know mixing rise and bourbon's
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can be tough. But yeah. Yeah. But that's a really great rye. And this is a good bourbon,
but it doesn't stand out like so many other ones above it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. After
initially, I was kind of surprised that you put it so low. But as I as I'm going through the list,
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I can't argue. Yeah. I can't argue. So let's let's recap the top five, shall we? Okay. So I'll
lead her off. Number five while Turkey 101, number four Russell's Reserve single barrel.
The number three, Bocona's lineage, number two, 1845 preemption,
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re reverence cast. Wow. That's going to mess you up.
Number one Remus volume eight. Eventually I will get it. Well, he's got a diesel original number five.
Now number five. Part of his heritage. Number four, King's Gold, Adventure King's Gold. Number
three, the Blue Eye, Jack's revenge from Adventure as well at number two and Perdomo 20th anniversary
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Maduro at number one. Now, tell everybody what number six is. Okay. Number six is the Caldwell
net express. So there you are. That that was also a difficulty. Right. Putting this even putting
this cigar above that one. See, I thought you put it behind the midnight express was was difficult.
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Because how earthy it was. Yeah. But this is much more in my vein than yours. That surprises me a lot.
You know, it's got to happen every now and then. All right, man.
Shoot. You still walking like Kings. Oh, yes, we are. Kings gold, baby.
Good night.
Heck yeah.
Welcome to our newest episode today. We will revisit the Partegas heritage and with it we will have
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Trails and Bourbon eight-year-old.
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
All right, well the Partegas heritage is a 5.2x52. It has a Honduran or Olancho, a San Agustan
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rapper, a Connecticut broadleaf binder, and fillers consisting of the Dominican,
Paloto, Cubano, Nicaraguan, and Honduran tobaccos. MSRP is $10. The trails and bourbon eight-year-old
is bottled at 90 proof, has an MSRP of $33, and it is a collaboration between Hood River distillers,
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the oldest distillery in Oregon, and Clear Creek distillery, the second oldest distillery in Oregon.
All right, okay, let me get some interesting notes on this one. As you can tell, I haven't had a
lot of this yet. Yes. I just brought it up to, maybe you had it at Enfuego. I brought it up to the
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discard bar one night. I think I did. Well, then those are pretty light. It doesn't come off as 90.
It's got that regular vanilla bourbon nose. It's got a really long finish.
Yeah, and the finish is hotter, but it's good. I like to finish. It's got some quick legs on it.
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Hmm. You know, I'd say there's a little bit of spice in there. There's probably some
probably some rye in here. I don't know the mash bill, but not a lot. It's just a little spicy,
not too spicy. It's light, but it is eight years old. It's not too light in color. It's got a decent
color, almost a little, little sour to it. Yeah, this one is a bit less on the sweet side.
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It's a little bit drier and it's got a dry, a dry feel to it. Pleasant though.
On that back end, it comes off a whole lot hotter than 90.
And the finish. Yeah, it adds that tang and it covers the whole mouth.
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Pretty good. Yep. Not bad. Good start. We'll see what that is in an old-fashioned at the midpoint.
What? We got to start building our old-fashioned
repertoire again so we can make another bracket play. We do. We do. Last one was all walnut bitters.
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We have switched back to the regular bitters. Yeah, well, just what regular bitters again.
One thing we haven't done is gone past that with cherry or orange. Those are pretty common as well.
I have both of them. Well, I haven't put them in anything yet here though.
Let's, how about we do this next bracket play with the regular. Sure, sure, sure.
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And then pick one of the other ones and we'll do all fashions until we get a bracket play out
that way. We did with the walnut and you know, we flip-flop a little. Yeah, I agree. I liked how
the walnut helped some of them. Yeah, but it's not for all of them. It can be overpowering.
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Yeah, most of the time I'm just good with the regular bitters and be done.
I don't know if it's laziness in me. Well, it's a blend that probably the laziest thing in me is
you make them. I think that bitters have been evolving. That basic bitters have been evolving
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for a long time and it's like the cockroach. It's perfect already. It doesn't need to evolve
anymore. And that's probably why we like it. Cockroaches, alligators and crocodiles.
They they stopped evolving. They did. I'm sure they reached their pinnacle.
Yeah. And maybe the shoe, horse shoe crabs. I don't think they changed. Maybe. Yeah, maybe.
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Yeah. All right. Well, cigar really didn't need to settle in. This one lights up real nice.
But you're already further along than I am. I like this cigar. I'm going to be I'm going to be bad.
I'm going to probably go quick on this. I'll slow down. I got it. I got it. Well,
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I'm really kind of interested to see because I don't remember exactly what I say about every cigar in
every episode. So I'll probably go back and listen to the other episode to see if I said some of the
same things because who knows what I get today? Life's different. Yeah. Everything. Everything
that you do plays a part and to what you get out of any given cigar. I had a different dinner. I had
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a different life. So it may not. It may not. I get the feeling that some of the a lot of the
base stuff is going to be there. Yeah. But you know, the nuances or lack thereof could definitely
change. Yeah. So the first thing I get on this is it's woody. And I want to say it's got a cedar
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component because it's a very aromatic aromatic. Yeah. Would. Very nice start. But I don't know.
I don't know if it's the the trails end or if it's the cigar itself, but it's coming across
dry to me. Yeah, I'm not sure. Let me hear. I think I'm going to stick to water for a few
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to iron that out. So I I like that it also has some baking spice components. It's almost
ready. It's almost like a little bread background in there. And I like those baking, you know,
I'm a baking spice guy. So I like the baking spices thrown in with that cedar. It's like a lot of
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rather really, really poppy flavors, pops. Right. It's not it's not basic. Not poppies, but it's
poppy. Yes. You said poppy and I'm thinking, not Pakistan. No, not that poppy either.
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But this would be this would be one example for me of a medium stick that you could hand to somebody
who's looking to get a medium stick that is coming out of the mild world. And oh, yeah,
it'd be real nice. Oh, yeah. This one. Yes. But I think if you're coming out of flavored cigars
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and trying to get into more normal premium cigars, right, this may not necessarily be the one for you.
Right. Because if you're if you're coming from that, I think you would like a little bit more
little, little more gentle, gentleness to it. Okay. Right. If you're already in a premium medium or
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premium premium mild and you're moving your way up to a medium, this is a good stick for that.
But if but if you're coming out of the flavored cigar world, I think I think maybe this is too.
I think it's a little too harsh for that. Really? Does that make sense? Well, I think there's
plenty of flavored cigars that are mediums already. So I don't think this is be that
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bunch of a leap to me. This has this has a wood and an earth component to it. And I think that earth
might be just a bit much for somebody coming from that that side of things. See, I think the earth is
more muted than the wood and the baking spices. Those are much more forward for me. The wood is
more like I'm sorry, the earth is more like in the background and in the finish. I get a little
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I get it a little bit more upfront. I think that you do. But well, you're you're a super earth fan.
So you probably taste it more easily than I do. I do like it. But by the same token, I can't get
cocoa. So it balances out in the end. Okay. All right. Good. Good first third.
Good liquor start. Anything to add before we add a tech article? No, let's do it.
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All right. Now we we've talked about quantum computers in other episodes.
And one of the things that quantum computers have done is be fast. But they were always
basically like speed checks and they would do something over and over and just go, wow, that was
really, really fast. And I hadn't seen a lot of articles where it solved the problem because it's
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not like we have a programming language for it yet. So you really have to tailor whatever you're
doing to that goal. And it looks like they did something like this. I don't want to
read all of it because some of it really covers stuff that we kind of already know.
So they they have this I pulled this from MSN, but I bet it's everywhere.
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World first, US quantum computer solves problem million years faster than super computer.
So this is from D wave quantum incorporated. California startup working in quantum computing
and trying to solve real world problems. So there's a little bit of, you know,
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background of computing power. They talk about Moore's law and how we've been
following Moore's wall for a while. This would be a giant,
giant, giantly, forward. So I think we've said that before. Yeah. Right. And so some of the things
that we want to solve really need something that super computers just can't do. And this is the
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only thing that can do it. So they specifically mentioned climate change and drug discovery. So
drug discovery is really what they tend to call lock and key type things that the molecule has to
fit exactly into a receptor in your body or something like that. Right. And it has to be perfect.
And then the efficacy of that drug will only be as good as how well it fits in and doesn't cause
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that effect. So they're talking about talking about those kinds of things. And they mentioned
what they actually solved. So this isn't something I'm super familiar with. So they perform simulations
of programmable spin glasses and magnetic materials problem known to be computationally hard.
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So that's, that's where they started. So I'm not familiar with magnetic minerals,
but they're used in a number of applications ranging from medicine, semiconductors,
to sensors, motors, and things like this. Again, I'm not sure. But these materials are
microscopically small. And understanding their interactions has been difficult because when it
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gets that small, do you have a lot of computations to do because there's so many freedoms,
right? They'll, you know, call them like positions or freedoms or, you know, possibilities of the
interaction. So they've solved a problem with it. And that's what is amazing is that they
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actually use the supercomputer to solve a problem. So that's why I wanted to mention it. And to do
it in an area that is difficult and in minutes, in minutes, which they said would have taken
a million years on a supercomputer. So that kind of reminds me a little bit of a particular
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Douglas Adams book where the earth is a computer and we ask it, what is the meaning of life?
And it says, well, I'll get back to you in whatever 13 million years.
And then its answer is 42. Yes. And then they said, spoiler alert. Then they said, wait a minute.
Well, so what's the question? And it said, well, give me another 13 million years, that kind of
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thing. So and then it made way for a space suit, a space highway. So this was pretty cool. So
they've got a scroll down a little bit. So an annealing quantum computer uses quantum mechanics
to find optimal solutions to complex problems. And this approach system starts in a superposition
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of all possible solutions. That's that high degree of freedom kind of thing, which is a high energy
state and aims to reach its minimum or low energy state through a process of annealing or just
going through all the possible states. So basically, they brute forced every possible state these
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atoms molecules could be in until they found its lowest possible energy solution and said,
that's probably the state they're in. Like, wow, that's a lot of computer power, right?
All right, so this problem and their quantum computer and the frontier supercomputer at Oak Ridge
National Laboratory, the quantum computer returned results in a few minutes. And the supercomputer
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was running and they looked at where it was, I guess, when it finished and they extrapolated
that to say it would have taken, I'm going to go roughly a million years, because I'm sure the
moment it finished was not perfect and all this kind of stuff, but million years versus minutes.
I like their other quantification on the supercomputer.
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Estimate take a billion years to solve while consuming annual global electricity.
Right, right. If you fed it all the electricity in the world, it would take a million years. Yeah.
That's really amazing. And this is probably why we keep talking about how quantum computing,
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when it does reach a viable state, will change all of life as we know it.
Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, beyond what you could imagine, this is, I mean, this is
sci-fi in real time is what this is. Right, I don't even know that sci-fi imagine that this would be
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something, they just said, oh, it'd be way fast, it'd be fast. They didn't imagine that it would be
this fast. Yeah, so one of the things that they do not state in this article is
what type of error handling had to happen. What kind of check sums in essence did they use,
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or had to be used for it to come up with this? Right. I mean, matter of minutes.
Yeah, it's just it's, which by the way itself is a long time for a quantum computer to remain
stable and turn out an answer. Yes. That is a record. That's got to be a record too. And that's
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why we're talking about it, because it's not really solved anything yet. And if I missed something,
well, maybe I missed something and I apologize. This is one of the first ones. This is the first
one I've seen. And possibly one of the first ones where people were trying to solve something and
not just do a speed test. Right. Like if you do, if you pull up your Wi-Fi connection, you do a
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speed test and it tells you how fast it's going. It didn't really solve anything except to tell
you how fast it went. Yes. Yeah. And I think that's what quantum computing has been doing.
And this actually applied it and was able to do some kind of calculations that meaningful.
Yeah, meaningful calculations. But once we're able to actually apply a programming language
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onto it, we will break everything. All encryption falls. Right. Everything is figured out.
Yeah, instantaneously. Yeah. Yes. Because you can brute force that with quantum computing.
Right. You can you can just brute force. And this article is proof positive that it could.
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Yeah, it brute forced one of the hardest things to do, which is molecular molecular interactions.
But by the by the same by the same token, if you can if you can break it with brute force quantum
computing, you could use quantum computing to create your next algorithm or your next encryption.
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Right. This is true. Right. That's true. So both can happen. Yeah. And both have to happen.
Of course. So I'm not I'm not as concerned about that. My
the main concern is how much time between adoption of a new encryption algorithm
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that's quantum based and and you know the from the time that quantum computers was used for
hacking these things, right, especially banking and financial systems. Yeah. But look at what
we've just done with the computers that we have and Doppler radar and all the other things that
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we've added to our our weather forecasting that you could now throw every piece of information
that's happening in the planet and probably forecast with near perfection what's going to happen next
with weather. Yes, you could do that with drug discovery. Now all of a sudden you say, well, use
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every atom in every possible configuration to be the perfect drug for this receptor site. And
bam, you have a molecule that you can synthesize and figure out what it's doing, right? Yeah,
the limitation the limitation at that point would become
set up the goodness the goodness of your inputs, right? Right. And that then that then becomes a whole
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technology world in and of itself, right? It's crazy. Yeah. And then you add an AI on top of that
evolution of technology. Yeah. And then you make me make AI. What's minutes to a year?
Times a million long, long time. So now, you know, now the AI can do things. Hundreds of millions
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of times faster. Any thing. Yeah. Not just things. All things. All things. Really. I mean,
it's, it's, it's sci fi come to life and beating it. Mm hmm. So I think that would be
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really amazing. So, and again, life altering. The whole planet would change. Yeah. World,
world life altering. Yeah. Even for people who don't use computers. Oh, yeah. There's lots of
people already don't use computers and computers have changed their lives. Right. Mm hmm. All right. So
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why don't we take a break, come back with an old fashion. All righty. You good with that? Yeah.
Let's do it.
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So, app cigar, Daryl and at bill underscore CLM. All right. We're back with old fashions in hand.
Yeah. It's, it's orgy. It is very orgy. And since I know there are no orges over there,
right? It's got to be the liquor. Exactly. I like it. I like it. I'm two steps in and I'm
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already saying this is bracket play worthy. Yeah. I put this in the bracket play. Yeah.
It's, it's orgy and it it tames the lemon, but the lemon is still coming through. Like it's not,
it's not a candy old fashioned. It's not super sweet. No. I think this is a sweet spot for old
fashions. That's a good, good place for old fashions. Mm hmm. Let me do a drink, Ross. Yeah,
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does this cigar. Yep. It kicks the cigar on its butt. Yeah. Now it's just a cigar.
The baking spices are gone. It's just woody. That's, that's why we don't expect much
out of a cigar with an old fashion. So I have notated down. I have notated down man. This is,
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this is probably the fastest after bracket play. We started another bracket play. This,
that's that's awesome. Absolutely awesome. Love it. I like that. Now I gotta get it out of my mouth.
We are nailing it. Okay. That's that is a very, very respectable
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fashion right there. Respectable. I feel like I should sit up straight. Yeah, I'm not gonna.
I'm already lounging. You got your feet up and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you are
comfortable? You're exuding comfort. Thank you. Relaxation. Mm hmm. It's even, it's even kind of
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kicking the whiskey a little bit. Trying to rinse with some whiskey and I'm like,
I'm still kind of tired. Water won't do it. I need whiskey. Oh wait, not enough. Hey Bill,
you got that white dog. You got that. You got that, you got that moon shot. Okay. I'm starting to
get the whiskey again. So I think we, okay, soon. All right. Very nice. Very nice. Okay. I finished
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my old fashion. Now I got a rinse rinse. No, I had, I had my prepared statement as I made the old
fashions about the midpoint of the cigar. This is just an excellent cigar. They're not hard to find
and 10 dollars. It's not gonna break the pocket. It's a robusto. So it's gonna be a little bit
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quicker smoked than a Toro or something a little bit more. But it is such an enjoyable cigar that
I'm fine with that. I take it no change for you. No, no, I was really enjoying the baking spices
and the cedar. It was very nice. I wanted to, I wanted to talk about that for a moment. Yeah. So I
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was not really getting the cedar. Hmm. But you remember at the very beginning, I said, I said,
I'm getting a dryness and I didn't know if it was coming from the liquor from the cigar.
Turns out it was coming from the liquor. And once that dryness went away, I got the cedar.
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But I did not get it. I did not get it with the liquor. Okay. So, but I got, also, I got more
earth with the liquor than I did without. Okay. Which that I find extremely odd.
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Right. You would think the liquor would kind of, but maybe it, maybe it tamps down the lighter things
and so the heavier things come out. Maybe that's what it was. I don't know for sure. I'm just about
to start on the liquor. So, but I did want to mention that.
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Well, the liquor is starting to taste like the liquor again after the old fashioned. It takes a,
I got, I got a few rounds of water, water, whiskey, water, whiskey, water, to try to
scratch, clear, scratch, scratch. Well, I always want to try new old fashions. I know they're going
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to disrupt this again. I know it. But it's now a thing. We can't stop. No, no, I wouldn't even
want to stop. Especially when somebody, when somebody sends you a note and says, where are the old
fashions at? Right. Right. Okay. Because we have gone some pretty long stints occasionally,
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where we don't have an old fashioned. So it's true. We have had some gaps. And some, some liquors
just aren't worthy of making old fashioned of, or they're too expensive. They violate my rule of
60. And yeah, there it is. There's some, there are some exceptions. You've done some exceptions.
There are exceptions to every rule. But I had to have a rule before I could accept it.
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Before you could have an exception, not accept the rule. Right.
When you said accept it, I went A. Yeah. Instead of E.
Midpoint for you on this regard. I just said it. Now, okay, you're you're complete, then. Okay.
I am complete. I did not do a midpoint on the liquor because for most of the front half,
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I did not drink the liquor. Cool. Because I was trying to,
I was really trying to figure out where that dryness was coming from. And then the rest of it
just kind of surprised me. There is still a little bit of lingering. I assume it's a little bit of
a lingering old fashioned because now I'm getting like the paper. And I know that has not been there.
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So I'm getting a dryness and a paper for for now. But I don't think that's in the cigar.
I normally, obviously it's there now. I attribute I attribute the dryness that I was getting to
the liquor straight. Not to the old fashioned because I got that from the good go. Right. But
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I started I started sipping the trails in before I before I really started tasting this cigar.
So I that that played a part I'm pretty sure. Yeah. The only thing I didn't mention before
the drink draw really didn't interfere with the scar. And I really liked that. It wasn't
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taking out some of those subtler notes. I was still getting really nice baking spices, which
often can be one of the first things that goes with a with a whiskey. Yes. So I was still getting
that. But now you're getting paper, which I'm getting paper, which it will you will probably go
away as we keep. I like your thing. I like your phrasing on that papers a delicate flavor.
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Well, it is. I don't know. I don't know why. But I like that phrasing. It is for me. So
it's a little surprise that it's been brought out by the remnants of the old remnants of the old
fashioned and rinse with with trails in a water, treaset water, treaset. It's a journey.
Yeah. But it's a wonderful journey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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All right. And we're almost living like kings here. We're living better than kings.
You think you think kings had any of the niceties we have now? The average person lives better than
a king. Now, have you had an orange? Well, yes, you're living better than almost all the European
kings prior to 1600.
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You had a banana. But that's also true of most of the population of the world previous to us.
Name any fruit and vegetable and nobody had them in Europe prior to 1600.
Okay. Here's a thing. We were we were I don't remember what the fruit was, but we were we were
in the fruit and veggies area. I know shocker for me to be in the fruit and veggies areas of a
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grocery store. You were probably lost. But we were there and I think it was pineapples or
something like that, right? I'm like, this isn't the season for pineapples or is it?
It's like everything's in season now. I just get over it.
Exactly. It's amazing. Now, I will say that when you get strawberries and blueberries out of
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season that are made in hot houses and they don't have the flavor of the fresh grown ones
in the dirt, right? The hydroponic stuff does not have the flavor that dirt stuff has. But
better something than nothing. Okay, I'll buy that. Yeah, I'll buy that. What about the little
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strawberries that grow wild at your brother's place? I've never eaten one of them. You know,
I know it sounds weird, right? How could you not you eat everything? Or at least taste
everything. You're like Mikey. How could you not eat one of those? They've been there for years.
Yeah, I know. You've been going there for years. Yeah. And by years, I mean, years and years and
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years. Twenty plus. Yeah. And they're always there. And you've never. I'll make it in the I'll make
it a note. I will go try one. I'm I'm shocked. If it makes you feel any better. I don't think
Patty to me. I've never seen them pluck them. I've never seen them in their fridge. If they were
in the fridge, I'd eat them. Surely Pat's tried them and said off the ass. No, it's good. I mean,
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they are tiny. Yeah, pretty tiny. Yeah, because they're wild. They're not, you know, he did. I
don't even think he planted it. I don't even think he planted them. They probably grew from compost.
No, squirrel crap. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Either an animal, either an animal delivered
that he just put it around from his or compost. Shite or scat. Hmm. Everybody loves calling it
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scat. And your scat, bear scat, which really ruins the music genre for me.
I never cared for the word scat. Oh, I like it. I'm on board with scat.
Don't look in reference to poop. Yeah, no, exactly. That's why I mean I like the music reference and
the poop reference. But I feel it takes something away from the music reference.
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The tracks a little bit when you refer to it as scat. I'm just saying, anyway, it doesn't matter.
It's hard to laugh with liquor in your mouth. I guess my point is we're all living like kings.
Better. Fine. I was trying to say we're doing fucking awesome. We are. Maybe I should just say
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that. We're doing fucking awesome. We're doing better than we're not doing as well as today's kings.
Everything's relative, man. Everything's relative.
I like the look on the bright side. You. Yeah, we're doing better than kings 400 years ago.
Shiff 50 years ago. Well, yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, probably.
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It's a human condition. You want to get better over time. Yeah. Things become more abundant over
time. And you want more the more you have. It's just a, I don't know if it's a fatal flaw or what,
but no matter what you have, you want more. I mean, look at Elon Musk.
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Think about just our grandparents, right? They went from, you know,
horses to cars to radio to, to, to, to, yeah, I didn't have a TV until he was like 30 or something.
This is radio. I didn't have a microwave toss 18. Does that count? War of the world was done over
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the radio and it only worked because nobody had any communication. Yeah. Yeah. That wouldn't work
today. No, you just be like, well, and you'd Google it. No, that's not deep fake. It could work. Yeah,
yeah, that's, that's true. You can't. So you can't, you can't underestimate how much people can be
fooled. The, the TV and, and, and the break room next to where I sit has, I don't know, has some
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cable channel on and I was in there getting coffee and this scruffy haired short guy, I don't know that
he's short. He just, the look of him, he looked short. And, and he's talking that it's very
muted. So it's hard to hear. And I'm looking at it and all of a sudden it comes up with his name
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and says ancient astronaut theorist. Okay. I did not know this was a thing let alone a title.
Yeah. Well, it's easy to get the title if you're the only one.
Apparently so. Yeah. I don't know if he's the only one or not. He's the only one I saw.
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I haven't looked this up yet to see what it's about. But they were discussing pyramids. So,
you know, well, we are starting to rethink how old they are.
Yes. I've seen that. But these article, these, these clips look like they're from, you know,
the early 2000s. Okay. It's still in four by three. I hear, yeah. You know,
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yeah. So yeah, we still have flat earth. So you can, you can, people can be still fooled
even today. I do like, I like the title because it's, it's vague and specific at the same time.
You know, and, but where the, that's where it lies. But the problem is it's too long.
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Ancient astronaut theorists. There's too many letters there. It's too long.
Just because astronauts long word. It is. But three, three's not bad. You didn't go over three, right?
True. True. Four and plus word would be that'd be way too much.
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That'd be pompous. Right. Yes. But, you know, like two, two's definitely not too much. Three,
three's all right. Four's too much. Two's about normal, right? Sure. But,
yeah, ancient astronaut theorists. Nice. Well, I don't look forward to his show.
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It's just the title got me. The title got me. I was, I was, and I think I audibly said, what?
And you were alone. And you still audibly said what? No, I wasn't alone. Oh, okay. I was not alone.
But I was caught off guard. Yeah. No, I can see that. But I'll accept that we are living like
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kings wholeheartedly, except we are living like kings.
And I am having a time. I let it go out once. Yeah, we had a long break to make the old fashions.
Yeah, you got the lighter, a big lighter. I have one. Yeah.
Because I ran the little one out of juice. Oops. Yeah. I feel now I feel like we are
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remiss in our titles. You mean you and I? No. Again, though, two words, right? I'm a product
engineer. Now I can add. No, I meant for the, for the, for the company over the podcast.
Right. Because you were, you were, shit, I can't remember what it was now. We came up with some goofy ones. You were director of something. Oh, our titles. Yeah. I can't.
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Can't remember what those were. Oh, they definitely exceeded three. Because I think we were being silly. Yeah, we were being goofy. But, I mean, ancient astronaut there is surely we could come up with something better. Yes.
I bet I could. We need to figure this out. We need to come up with getting the brain
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storm that you can't just throw one out now, right? Don't know what I mean. Think about it. No, we need to think about it. This, this will be broadcasted on a later episode.
Provided we remember we're gonna, we're gonna use AI to come up with pompous titles. Oh, that would work. And then we're gonna review them. That's so us.
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We're gonna review them on a show. Yeah, that's in our wheelhouse. And then we're gonna pick one each. Okay.
Let's see. Why not? And maybe, maybe, maybe we need to have a guest or two while we do this. Okay.
Okay. You want to do. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. For our listeners. Yeah.
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If you got ideas. Yeah, we haven't for pompous ideas for a while. Send us ideas. Okay.
And nobody's, nobody's given us a liquor recommendation or a show a recommendation for a while now.
That's because we've been slaying it. That's exactly right.
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I mean, look over the past year. Look at this. Some of the, some of the liquor and cigars that we've had.
Pretty damn awesome. Yeah. And pretty, pretty wide diversity of, of options.
Yes. Yes. Although I do assume this year that our rankings are going to be heavily earth-influenced.
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I don't know what would give you that idea. At least they're not ancient,
astronaut, theorist, influenced. No, you're gonna have to come up with your own title.
He's got that one already. That was been figured out, huh? We only need one.
All right. Are you ready? Are you at the top in your field? Well, I guess I am.
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I made it up just now. You're ready to do the final third and rank these things.
Let's do it. All right. All right. Do it. I got a, I need to.
Well, the good news is I got, I got the cigar back. It didn't,
well, good. It didn't languish in the aftermath of the old fashion for too long.
So I very much, I very much enjoy that. Hmm. Where am I going to put this? This is a,
(40:50):
this is a tough one. Yeah. So is this damn you, anyway.
Yeah. Well, okay. You have a, you haven't figured out. I've got mine. Oh, damn. I think I'm gonna,
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna do it. Damn. I'm gonna do it. Okay. I did it. It's done now.
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All right. Here we go. It's done now.
Wow. Here's what, here's what Bill did. So we have,
we have their Pertega's heritage climbing to number four,
just behind number three, Edbanchera Kings gold, and just above number five,
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diesel original. And I, I see where you went with that. Now, here's what is surprising.
This was not an earth, earth, earth cigar and the diesel is far more earthy.
Diesel is far more earthy. And you put a cedar baking spice cigar in the number four spot.
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I have to admit, this surprises me. I know.
Surprised. It would not surprise you if I said my, my, my, my quandary was
ahead of the diesel or just behind the diesel. I could believe that. That, that probably wouldn't
surprise you. But the fact that I put it ahead of the diesel, did. And I, I, I, I was, I was rocking
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back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. I'm like, it's, I just got to, I, I thoroughly
enjoy this cigar. I just really do. So awesome. All right.
And that's why I put it back in this year, because last year you were going quite on about it.
Yeah. So I wanted to see where you put it. So yeah. And it's probably only been a year since we had
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this. So just about. Yeah. So, uh, yeah. I just had to know where you're going to put it.
It is, it is such a good stick. It's $10. Yeah. And it's so easy of a smoke. That's very nice.
That's wonderful. All right. Uh, so onto the liquor. Darryl put it. Oh, number 10. Yes.
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The number 10 slot just below the rebel 100 rye and the Cedar Ridge port finished. I know you
like that port finished. I like port finishes, but that one didn't stand out to me like so many
other port finishes. And I did really like that rebel 100. And I know mixing rise and bourbon's
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can be tough. But yeah. Yeah. But that's a really great rye. And this is a good bourbon,
but it doesn't stand out like so many other ones above it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. After
initially, I was kind of surprised that you put it so low. But as I as I'm going through the list,
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I can't argue. Yeah. I can't argue. So let's let's recap the top five, shall we? Okay. So I'll
lead her off. Number five while Turkey 101, number four Russell's Reserve single barrel.
The number three, Bocona's lineage, number two, 1845 preemption,
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re reverence cast. Wow. That's going to mess you up.
Number one Remus volume eight. Eventually I will get it. Well, he's got a diesel original number five.
Now number five. Part of his heritage. Number four, King's Gold, Adventure King's Gold. Number
three, the Blue Eye, Jack's revenge from Adventure as well at number two and Perdomo 20th anniversary
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Maduro at number one. Now, tell everybody what number six is. Okay. Number six is the Caldwell
net express. So there you are. That that was also a difficulty. Right. Putting this even putting
this cigar above that one. See, I thought you put it behind the midnight express was was difficult.
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Because how earthy it was. Yeah. But this is much more in my vein than yours. That surprises me a lot.
You know, it's got to happen every now and then. All right, man.
Shoot. You still walking like Kings. Oh, yes, we are. Kings gold, baby.
Good night.
Heck yeah.
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