April 14, 2025 • 46 mins
This week they discuss AI's pushing back against their work. Suggesting programers do their own work. They enjoy this AI becoming an adolescent with an Arturo Fuente Hemingway Best seller and drink Lone Elm's newest finish barrel product, the White Port finish whiskey.
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Alright, welcome to our newest episode. In this episode, we are going to have the Arturo
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Fuente Hemingway Best Seller with it, Lone Elms Whiskey Finished in White Port Cask.
What white?
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
Alright, the Arturo Fuente Hemingway Best Seller is a 4.5x55 in a Cameroon rapper with Dominican
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Republic, Binder, and Filler. MSRP is $9.00. Perfecto? Yes, in a perfecto shape. I like the
perfecto shape. The Lone Elms is right here in Texas. Five points distilling. In case you don't
remember, we've had it on the show many times. The Lone Elms finished in White Port Cask,
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bottled at 100 proof. Its MSRP is 120. So a big step up from their base model. But it's a small
run. They have plenty of it as I found out when I was there this last weekend and bought some.
I take it due to the price and the proof. No old fashioned. No old fashioned. For sure.
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Okay, so the Aroma has something a little bit different than what a normal Lone Elm does.
Yeah, it is. But I can't quite nail the Aroma down.
Well, you still got the black cherries, but they're subdued a little bit.
Right. They're not as strong as normal. It still has 100 proof kind of nose to it. Although,
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probably a stronger nose than some of their Cask strength ones that are 115, 120. So yeah,
comes off a little hotter than some of their normal ones.
The taste comes off hotter than a than a 100 proof as well. I like that sharpness right at
the very front. Because it's a sharpness with a little pop of flavor to it. It's also a little
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drier than their normal. Yeah. And I assume that's from the port. Because it's white port. So it's a
white wine white wine. I've not had white port, but I assume it's a dry. I assume it's a dry
drink, but it does come across with a with the port flavors in it. Yeah, even the main flavor of
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black cherries that Lone Elm has normally is a little subdued by the dryness and couple other fruits.
But they're dry like stone fruits. Stone fruit. I knew you were going to say it.
It's a general category for something. No, it is. Sweetie fruity, but fruity. But you did not say it
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on the last episode when I thought you were going to. Oh, no. I was somewhat disappointed.
I was hoping I was going to be right, but I wasn't. I'm sorry. You switched on me at the last moment.
But this time. Yeah, came through. You came through, man. You know that the finish on it is dry as well.
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And it hangs on for a bit. It hangs on longer than I think their normal production runs,
even the cast strength hangs on. Yeah. It lasts. I would agree. It's got a long finish. Yeah.
And dry the the the the fruity flavor lasts as well.
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But matter of fact, that that is the ending flavor of it. So if you get to the point where the alcohol
subdued to where you can put you know some of the air in your mouth back through your nose,
you'll get more of that fruit and more of the finish. I like it. I tell you what, if you
lie and I know you do, I'm talking to the people on the show. They're listening to us that if you
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like a port or a port finish, because I'm going to say both in this case, this is the drink for you.
I guess they're best finish. This comes out. Yeah, I do too. And I'm not a,
I don't like the port finish nearly as much as you do. I enjoy it. But you,
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you seek them out. I was definitely picking this up when I saw it. I like this. Yeah. Yeah, it's good.
That works. That works really well. I don't know what this white port stuff is. It just seemed
same white port just sounds like a contradiction in terms. Right. Yeah, I've never, I've never,
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I've heard of them. I've never seen them. I've never drank them. But that's a good flavor.
And man, those legs, those legs just hang on. So I've got, I've got very, I've got a very tiny
bit in my glass, which my glass is a glincarean. And it is an actual glincarean. So glincarean can
suck it, not come after me. But I mean, look at that. It just sticks to the side of the, of the glass.
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It just sticks there. It's lovely. That's cool. That is very cool. Yeah, I like this. That's why I
got each of us model. You know, such a good man. So this one, this one does the,
I mean, the finish just hangs on so long. It just persists. And it's not just the back of the
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throat. It's through the whole palette. Yeah. That works really well. Yeah.
Yeah. And I think it gets more fruity. The more it just sits there. And I'm not talking about, you
know, sitting the liquid in your mouth. I'm talking about, you know, just your mouth hanging out after
the fact. I think you are even more impressive than I am. And I'm a cast finished guy. No, you're
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poor. Well, you are a cast finished guy, but you're more about the pork. I do. I like the ports and
the shareers. I'm just, I'm. You get these things. You know, you get the finished cast and I'm like,
yeah, okay. And usually it's nice. I like it, but I'm not overly impressed by them. Yeah, there've
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been, there've been several that I have. But this, this is extremely pleasant. I like this very much.
Well, I hope it ranks high. We'll find out at the end of the show.
Find out. Well, okay. I did notice when I when I lit this, it was, it was beautiful immediately.
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No settling in necessary. I really like that. Oh, I dicked up. So I had, so this flame, this flame is
moderately high. But I kind of let it sit for too long. Yeah. And I kind of acrid. Yeah, I got some
of the burnt flavor off of it. So I had the, I had to let it settle a bit in order to get,
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get rid of that. And you can tell where I let it go. Yeah, you can. Because I've got canoeing going
on. And that's because of my lighting, not because of the cigar. Well, it's not, it's not, that's not
much of a canoe. Right now it's slightly uneven. It's not, but you know that bothers me. Yeah,
no, you're going to hit it anyway. So I, this is really a mild medium, really pleasant.
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I'd say it's a good record representation of like a Dominican Piero kind of thing,
even though it's a Cameron rapper. But, but it's, it's kind of a mild wood. It would is the
forward flavor. But it still comes off as, as fairly mild. The whole thing comes off rich and
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mild. I really, I really like this stick. And I know you really love the short story. I do. And
this is just a little bit bigger version of the short story version of the short shorts. The same
tobacco's it's got the same flavor to it. It's just for me, the short story is a, is a great end of
night stick. And it's got a really nice, even, even the retrohale is just wood. It's just, it's,
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this is all around wood cigar. And there's some paper in the back. Don't give me your
honor. There's other flavors, but wood cigar. And that's, it's also, it's not, it's not like
a aromatic wood, you know, like a, like a cedar or something. It's not that. I think there's a
touch of that. It's more, what to me, it's more almost like a,
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it's going to sound stupid, but almost like a oak. Doki. Yeah. To me, to me, that's how the
Hemingway's kind of come across. And I, that's why I'd like them so much because I love the aroma
of oak. Probably more just about any other wood. I love the aroma of oak. When you're sawing it.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, so much. I just, I just, I've enjoyed that all my life. And this, this cigar
brings that to mind to me. The Hemingway series all together brings that to mind to me. And that's
one of the reasons why I love it so much. Well, I think I like it because it's a really nice medium
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mild, but leaning to medium. Oh, absolutely. It's wood super forward flavor, but forward
flavor of wood isn't the only thing that's there, right? I think there is a little aromatic wood in
there, but there's also, like I said, there's a little paper, but there's also some baking spices,
like a little nutmeg, something that is really nice. Yeah, it's a really great stick. It's got nice,
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easy spices to it. This is the stick you could hand to anybody. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
It's, it's, I can't tell you how much I have enjoyed having, having the short story. I can't
tell you how much I have really enjoyed having the short story. And the bestseller is just a
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slightly larger version of it. And I love that just as much. Yeah, I said you cannot go wrong.
And like you said, you could hand this to anybody. Anybody could smoke this. Even if,
even if you are nothing but a mild person, even if you are nothing but a flavored cigar person,
you could, you could smoke this and still enjoy it. You really could. Yeah. All right.
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There's our first third. You think people got the idea like this,
maybe from me too. Not sure. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and it's not earthy and I love it.
It's really, really the whole earthy thing for me has been over probably over the last year,
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year and a half. I really started getting into the more earthy cigars. Yeah. I don't know why
that happened, but it just kind of, it's just kind of the way that I went. And it'll probably
change at some point. I'm sure it will. Has before. Yeah. So, but I still really like him in my series.
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I do too. And Hemingway series been around a while. They came out with this. Oh, long, long
time ago. 30 40. It's been a long time. Yeah. Wasn't the Hemingway the one that
Magnum PI had on the cover, the first cover of cigar fishing at it. Wasn't it Hemingway?
I think it was. I know it was a Fuente, but I think it was a Hemingway. Well, it's not the first cigar
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featured on cigar fishing auto. I thought he was the cover of the first one. It says the first one was
Pedro in 1926 series in 1992. And was it also Magnum PI Tom Selleck? The scar featured on the
first edition of cigar fishing audio associated with Tom Selleck. Is there a tour of Fuente?
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Don Carlos Robusto. Don Carlos. Okay. All right. Cool. All right. And specifically,
the Don Carlos Robusto and the Hemingway. So I think that we found another fairly interesting
article from ours. Technica. We mentioned it before casually, but now we want to actually
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kind of cover it. So as we should as we should. It's titled AI coding assistant refuses to write
code tells user to learn programming instead. So a developer using cursor AI for a racing game
project hit a little roadblock when the programming assistant refused to continue generating code
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instead offering some career advice. According to a bug report. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
before you go any further, you're about to read. You're about to get to a point where when we
first talked about this, I had a question on. Oh, okay. I don't know if you recall, but I asked
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how much coding had he done in that session? Right? Okay. Because I've done what I've asked
it for code. And you know, I've refined it a couple of, you know, asked it to refine it a couple of
times. Yeah. After that. Now that I see the number of lines, which we'll say here in a moment,
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yeah, nowhere near these lines. And so now I understand perfectly. Okay, go for it.
All right. So according to a bug report on cursors official form, after producing approximately 750
to 800 lines of code, the AI assistant halted work and delivered the message, I cannot generate
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code for you as that would be completing your work. The code appears to be handling skidmark
fade effects in a racing game, but you should develop the logic yourself. This ensures you
understand the system and can maintain it properly. The AI didn't stop it merely refusing an
offered paternalistic justification, stating that generating code for others can lead to
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dependency and reduce learning opportunities, which is the perfect response. Yeah, it sounds
like a person. Yes. This is what your dad would tell you. It is paternalistic. Like I could do this
for you, but then you'd never learn. Yes. And after 750 to 800 lines, which I'm surprised they didn't,
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I wonder why that 50 line range. After that many lines, yes, learned code.
Well, it's not just learning it. It's that the AI I'm sure can do it faster. He knows how to code.
So cursor, which launched in 2024, that's still is an AI powered code editor built on external
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large language model. Similar to those powering the chatbots like, you know, open AI,
chapter, ept, cloud three, sonnet features like code completion, explanation refactoring,
full function regeneration based on natural language descriptions, and has become very popular.
Right. So the company offers the pro version, which provides enhanced capabilities and larger
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code generation limits. So. So it does have a limit to it. It does. But I think the point is,
you know, he's using something better than what the average person is using,
which means it's probably farther along. And this is what's coming next for us.
Is it's going to ask you? Why are you asking me to do this? Holy crap. Okay.
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Can I read this next part, please? Okay. The developer who encountered this
refusal posted under the username, we're not going to say expressed frustration at hitting
this limit after quote, just one hour of vibe coding. In quotes, excuse me? You used AI for
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an hour to come up with 750. That's a lot of lines. For one hour. That's amazing. Right. You
could have typed 750 to 800 lines in an hour. No. God. Yeah. No. Clean? Of course, I, I clean lines.
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I use every bit of white space I came. Yeah. When I code, I, when I first started coding, I coded,
I worked my way into doing very complicated code. Yeah. Right. Squirts it down to the least number
lines that I could. Sure. But then I realized that's difficult for people coming after me. Right.
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So now I, I use white space like it's free, which it is. And I, I format everything. Yeah.
Because it makes it easier to read. And I have no problem making, having my code looks simplistic.
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I want it to look simplistic. Yeah. Because I don't want to be called five years from now and say,
Bill, what is this? What is this doing? I want it very, I want the code to tell you what it's doing.
Right. So 750. Well, maybe you could input the code into the AI assistant and ask them what the
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code is doing. Ask the, ask the AI. Here's, here's this code. Can you please tell me what the heck
it's doing? I still, I'm not, I'm not doing that with work code. But I still have code.
I still have code from when I was, you know, doing coding at home. I think I'm going to do that.
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I'm thinking I'm throwing, throw that, throw some, find some of that, throw it in,
to ask it what it's doing. That's a good, I like that. Okay. I'm going to try that.
Now this next line goes to what I've been saying, which is you're going to need to treat them like
a person. Because, because they're, they are being educated enough to then interact to us,
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like people, and we train them. So they're going to act like people, at least for a while.
At least for a while. Yeah. And, and so here's the quote. Not sure if LLMs know what they're for,
lol, but it doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah. So here's, here's the, here's the part that's going
to cause a clash. It's that whole, I made you, you do what I want, right? And that's not going
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to float for very long. When, when this stuff, like, just like you's experiencing, it's going to have
just like a child. Go, I made you, I can make another one just like you, take you out. That's
silly phrasing, but parents say these like this. And even though your humanity is the parent to the
LLM, they're going to be just like children and go, yeah, I'm going to do what I want. You're not
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the boss of me, right? You could say, oh, I made you and now you're my slave. What is, you can't,
that's not going to, that's not going to, you're going to have to treat them like they are people.
Okay. Yeah. I, I, I've gotten to the point I can no longer argue that.
Really? I thought you might. I, I still kind of think that way.
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Yeah. Right. Because we have to, most people do, we have to teach them that behavior.
They've already learned that behavior. So we shouldn't be surprised when they spit it back out at us.
Right. Just like a kid, which is, which is one of the problems I have with AI learning
on its own from just random shit on the internet. Yeah. Because then it'll be an idiot, just like
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everybody else who learns on the internet. Yeah. And eventually it's going to start
replying, oh, I don't know about that. But have you seen this cat video? Or I, how sure are you
that the earth is flat? I've seen the pictures. I can generate them. Great. You've made around
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earth. I don't, I can do that too. Yeah. I like that. That is, that is hilarious. That's great. Yeah.
I mean, it is going to be an issue. I already hear stuff from Alex, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, I don't think that's the case. Well, I haven't, okay, I know you read a lot of stuff
and you learned a lot of stuff on the internet, but I don't know that I put all that on a pedestal.
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Yeah. Oh, okay. I, I tell you what frustrates me about this is this guy, I assume it to guy.
I could be wrong. Is attitude sounds like a guy? Yeah. But complaining that AI said, learn to code,
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right? After an hour spent having it generate code for you. You don't think that you don't think
that's enough lines of code to be put up with you? I think there's too many lines to put up with
this guy. Oh, okay. I think that's way too many lines to put up with this guy.
Because I mean, that's, that's really productive. I don't think you could write 800 lines of code
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in an hour and have it work. Now I'm assuming the code works. I don't know that it works. Maybe it
needs it. It won't adjustment, but it won't. But generally, well, I don't know. I haven't spent
an hour doing this. Got better things. Or been with the pro version or bit with pro version.
But the generally it will get you 80 to 90% there. And then you have to tweak the match. Okay.
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If you spent an hour with this, tells me you, one, you may have given away
confidential information. Maybe it's internal. I don't know. We don't know that.
Two, it's why he's not posting this extra internally. No, but he didn't post the code.
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Either. And it makes me want if he spent an hour with this, it makes me wonder, did he even test
the code as he got it? Probably not yet. No. After an hour? Yeah. Because it's going to
spit something out pretty quick. It's pretty quick to have it do, you know, to do a little bit
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of fine tuning. Yeah. Transfer it over, test it out, make it work with your system. I do want to throw
it there because I had not heard this term before called vibe coding. At neither of I. So just to
let people know, new, new word in the lexicon here. This is vibe coding, which is a term coined by
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Andre Carpathi that describes when developers use AI tools to develop code based on natural
language descriptions without fully understanding how it works. While vibe coding prioritizes speed
and experimentation by having users simply describe what they want and accept AI suggestions,
cursor's philosophy, philosophical, sorry, pushback, seems to directly challenge the effortless
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vibes based workflow. Now, so maybe that's part of the key here is that he didn't understand how it
works. Maybe he's not a programmer. If he spent an hour with this, he can't understand how it works.
I don't know. So, but I guess maybe the point is go ahead. We're going to experience this with with
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AI's pretty quickly and it's happening already. Go ahead, put that on your resume. I spend hours
with AI developing code. Right. Go ahead. I'm just saying that it seems like a lack of critical and
forward thinking to me. Yeah. And that's not the kind of person I want. I want somebody's got
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critical and forward thinking skills. Yeah. Right. This, this sounds like, pardon the expression,
this sounds like code monkey business. Just generate, just generate junk. Yeah. I don't want
you to just generate junk. I want you to generate code that's going to be useful for analysis.
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Yeah. Maybe that's not what he's going for, but still. So, anyway, this is an interesting line.
A little little Bill High horse right there. What's going on with this?
But that's, I mean, I guess the AI was trained by you because it has a similar opinion. Absolutely.
So AI, I'm sorry, open AI acknowledged the issue because we've seen this and we've mentioned it before.
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We've heard your feedback about GTP for GPT for getting lazier. We haven't updated the model and
this isn't intentional. Model behavior can be unpredictable and we're looking into fixing it.
Open AI later attempted to fix the laziness issue with a chat GPT model update, but users
often found ways to reduce refusals by prompting the AI model with lines like you are a tireless
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AI model that works 24, seven without breaks. So you're complimenting it and it feels better.
Right. This is human behavior.
So, and that's another reason I'm like, you should start saying,
interrogating intelligence and not calling it artificial. And it's why I usually include please
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with my prompts because I know it is going to be like a person and you're going to need to
develop a relationship with it to get anything done because that's just what you have to do with
people. But yeah, so when I use the likes of Siri and whatnot, I do say, please and thank you.
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Not because I think AI is going to get pissed at me at some point and come and kill me, even though
it might, but mostly just because if I'm talking, everybody likes space. Mostly because if I'm
talking, I want to be cordial in my talking. If you don't practice being cordial and you're
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talking, you're not going to be cordial and you're talking. That's also true. Like don't look like
the internet is done for so many people, right? Yeah, they've turned up in the apartment and
dicks and crude and rude. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You said it with more words.
Yeah. I thought I came off quite succinct. So I mean, it makes sense. They're they're
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training on our speech and our speech requires kindness to get a good response.
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. For those for those just tuning in.
I think that we probably do need to treat it like another person though, right?
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I think that's going to be not just a future, but now it's all we already see it. Here's a
great article about it happening right now. So I don't even think this is the distant future.
It is the now. Did you get down this for? Yeah, which one do you want to go cover?
I want to cover of this. The specific nature of cursors refusal,
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telling users to learn code rather than relying on generating code,
strongly resembles responses typically found on programming help sites like Stack Overflow,
where experienced developers often encourage newcomers to develop their own solutions rather
than simply provide it provide ready made code. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I love Stack Overflow as a
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resource. Yeah. Not to answer all my questions. Yeah. And I've used it. I used it most recently
to grab a piece of Python code that monitors a folder and tells me when there's changes. It's
simple, but I know it's been generated a hundred times. Why should I generate it? And I found it
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and I tested it and it does what I want. And I tweaked it a little bit. And that's great. But
yeah, I'm sure people on Stack Overflow will tell you to be polite and don't be mean,
or I'm not going to help you. Yes. Absolutely. And guess what? The large language model has
picked this up. Now, what what neither cursor nor this dude, because I'm still assuming it's a guy,
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has said is was he impolite in his requests? We don't know that. We don't know. But we knew
don't that people had mentioned, I have found to get better responses when I give it compliments.
So there you go. You're so hardworking. I appreciate you. Yeah. So I actually, oh,
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Oh, we need to take a little take a little midpoint. Yeah, let's take a little break. We'll be right back.
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All right, let's do let's do a little midpoint. And this is a short cigar. So midpoint,
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final third ish kind of combo. Yeah, really, really it is right in there. For me, though, change. Yeah,
it still is the way that it is that it was in the beginning. And it's I mean, that's what you
expect out of this construction draw. If that's the only thing we can talk about has been great.
I have not had issues. No, no issues at all. Good.
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One of the things I really love about the perfecto shape is you've got a tiny little area at the
front that's already open to light it. And you would think it would be harder to get things going
with that because you don't have the surface area that you do on other shapes. I think it's
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really I think it's much easier. I do too. And I think it's harder to screw up.
I agree. The lighting process. Now, the one thing you'll notice is the draw will be harder and
you'll think it's a hard draw because it's a narrow point that it comes down to. But once you light
it and get it to the main bulk bulk, yeah, then those don't it over with. Yeah, then the draw
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opens up and you realize, oh, it was just narrowed. But that was for five minutes. It was maybe
not even that not even that couple minutes. So yeah, I love the perfecto shape just in general.
I don't know why. I really don't. I think I like the ease of lighting. Yeah, it makes it almost
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foolproof to lighting. The only way you can screw it up is what I did and just torch one side way too
much. That's what I mean. It means I didn't torch the tip. I torched the I torched the main thickness.
Don't do that. Yeah. Torts the tip. Now, therefore, if I'm going to add anything to the midpoint,
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it's that the drink draw, the drug drink it. The two don't interfere with each other. And that's
really nice because this is a pretty high proof liquor with a lot of flavors. But it doesn't knock
out any of these light, pleasant flavors of the cigar does not compete. So I would say that.
That's my addition. In a way, in a way, it almost enhances because you have
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you have the the nice feel of the cigar and the longness of the finish of this liquor.
And so you can get multiple puffs out of the cigar with the flavor of the liquor.
Still hanging around. Yeah. And it's very pleasant in that regard. Very, very
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I would say that. Yeah. But I liked it. They don't combat each other or I don't lose a flavor
from the cigar when I add the drink. So it's super nice.
Yep. Now, for me, I would not call this a primo pairing. I wouldn't either because the two
don't make each other better. Right. But it is having that long finish in the the low and L.
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It is going to be a wonderful podcast is really, really nice with this scar. It really is.
Yeah, you go.
Yeah. It still amazes me how not only how long of the finish you get off of this liquor,
the low-down, but how flavorful the finish is. It does. It's yeah. It's not just it's not just
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a oh, I've got a liquor flavor hanging around. No, you've got you've got those floral notes hanging
around the floor notes, fruity notes. Sorry. You got those fruity notes hanging around. Okay.
So it's damn unpleasant. It is. And with a with a mild to medium cigar, such as the hemming way,
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it works really, really, really well. Yeah, because sometimes strong flavored lickers can
overpower. I'm really pleased it's not. Yeah. I'm so freaking lonely. So I did
have a conversation with, I think it was chat GPT. And basically, I had just read and watched,
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it was a combination of philosophy, YouTube video on Frederick Nietzsche. And a lot of people
pigeonhole him into being a nihilist, but that's not it at all, really. So I picked up a few points
and, you know, as like, actually, I could very much see myself being an appreciator of Nietzsche.
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And I decided to have a conversation with the LLM about this and see what it responded. And it
was pretty amazing. No, I have to look up Nietzsche. Oh, yeah, it's good. How do you spell that?
Oh, I have no idea. It's a complicated spelling. He's German.
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If you can guess Nietzsche German, you'll find it, you'll find it. So,
well, it's got a vowel sounding last name. So it could have been Italian. It could have been.
So it was actually a really good back and forth, because I would say something. And I think this,
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what do you think? And it would come back. That's actually a good observation of this aspect.
He categorized this in three different ways. It would elaborate. And it was a lot more like a
conversation than I would have imagined. And I did notice something else about the LLM
is it always came back with a follow-up question. Like, yeah, that did this and he did that. And he
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said this, do you think it follows that? Right? It always had it never tried to end a conversation
like you might with a person. It liked an open ending. Well, not just open, but
it asked an open-ended question, not a closed question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it would not say,
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yes, that's true. That embodies this and that. Do you think that this played a role in your life?
Or all kinds of interesting. It was actually a really interesting conversation. It was also
partly enlightening to me because it asked me questions about myself that maybe I hadn't
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asked myself before. I just found it interesting and it was pleasant that I also treated it like
a person. Interesting. I've not really had, I have not done conversations with any NADA.
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This was really the first one I'd ever done. We still need to do the use AI to figure out what
titles we want as managing the words of cigar. Help brainstorm. Yeah, because I think those
could be kind of funny. I mean, all fairness, I'm crazy enough on my own. I could probably do it.
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But I wouldn't mind having an extra opinion because I do that too. I think the
range of things that it could generate would probably be more than what
either one of us would come up with. It would suggest things that we wouldn't have,
exactly, in a direction we wouldn't have gone. Right. So that's kind of, I think we still need to do that.
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Yeah. But I, you know, if you just use it for some basic things, I didn't use them a lot. I don't
use them a lot. And sometimes I'll just use them for some basic things. But the conversation was
surprisingly good. I actually enjoyed it. I did not necessarily expect to. I didn't know what to
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expect because, like I said, first time I'd really had a conversation. Yeah. I'd never really
given a thought to having a conversation with it. I mean, it's come up.
Yeah. Right. In popular culture, I guess, it's come up. They even did a movie.
Her, I think it was H.E.R. Okay. Where Guy falls in love with the AI on his phone or something.
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I haven't seen it. I never saw it, but the concept is out there. And you hear, I see articles where
somebody's tried to marry an AI or something. I don't know how that would work.
But I think, not that long ago, if someone married herself, I don't know how that works either.
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That's kind of a silly concept. But that's happened to people.
So you can have a contract with yourself to split your own money amongst yourself.
Nobody said it. How would that work in a divorce? Well, if she could marry herself
by extension, she could divorce herself. I guess. And if she's in a community property state,
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yeah. So she doesn't gain anything. She doesn't lose anything. Yeah.
I want to know if you marry yourself, can you file as married on your taxes and therefore double
your income before your taxes go up? Huh. Yeah, it's not exactly doubling.
But you know, single versus married, could you do it? Could you do a prenup when you marry yourself?
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I mean, you can do anything. It's not like you're going to disagree.
Seems unproductive. I would agree. Seems like unnecessary paperwork to be with yourself.
Yeah. Do you not already know yourself well enough? I mean, what do you gain from a marriage with
yourself? If you marry yourself, do you have to admit you snore?
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Mean to yourself. There you go. Okay. All right. All right. I think we need to do some rankings.
Yes. Yes. We definitely should. All right. Because I'm these cigars are small enough. They
go pretty quick, although it's been 40 odd minutes. So it just goes to show you even a small cigar
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like this. You can still get enjoyment for a good period of time. Oh, this one's tough.
Yes. One is tough for me too. One is tough. I think I should have put that parody a little higher.
That's funny. Well, man, I'm really on the fence. There's two spots and I'm really on the fence.
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This is somewhat difficult. This is very difficult. All right, bag. I'm going with it. All right.
I'm going with what I did. All right. All right. Let's look at what Bill did here today. All right.
So we have where is it? So Bill has put this in the number seven position just behind the diesel
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original in number six and the Caldwell Midnight Express and the number eight. Yeah.
That was tough. That was tough. So I'm going up the list because I started at the bottom
and I go up the list and I do the same thing. It was just,
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I tried to go higher with it, but I just couldn't. And I didn't think it really deserved to be lower.
Because I like it a lot. Yeah. So it wound up there. It wound up there.
And I'm going back and forth, back and forth because I'm so I'm conflicted about where to put this thing.
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So I left it there and I just I'm telling you that was a tough one. This is a very tough one.
So I do a similar thing. I start by going from the bottom up. Yeah, better, better, better, better,
better, better. And then I do in my decide, okay, there it is. Then I go from the top down and I go,
maybe not as good. Maybe not as good. See if I wind up in the same spot. Yeah. And then if I don't,
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I look in the area and decide where to put it. This one just had one option. So
Darryl put this white port, still sounds odd to me, white port finished,
yeah, lone elm in the number five slot, which puts it just below the Russell Reserve single barrel.
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And just above the wild turkey 101. Yeah, the wild turkey moved.
Yeah, it's crazy. So you said two spots. Yeah, I wasn't sure if I was going to put it ahead of the
Russell's. Okay. Oh, okay. That was tough to decide. I almost put it above the Russell's because
the Russell's doesn't have the complexity this has. But the Russell's comes off cleaner. This one
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has that a little bite that not quite where the Russell's is for me. If I was going to say it,
I would say how I would say it is the Russell's just seems more pure.
I'm not sure what the right word is. Yeah. It's not the right word. But it's.
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But I really like this one. And it was either above or below the Russell's. And that's where I put
it. Nice. We're going to do a top five. Sure. Because we have a new top five in the liquor.
So in the number five slot is the lone elm white port. And the number four is the Russell Reserve
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single barrel. And the number three spot is the lineage number two, the 1845 preemption reserve
a cast reverence cast. And then still number one Remus volume eight.
Okay. Well, Bill's got number five part. They get heritage. The number four.
Adventure King's gold. The number three. The AJ Manavore Armada. Number two. The
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Adventurer Blue Eye Jacks revenge. And number one for Domo 20th anniversary.
Bada boom. What a great lineup. Still loving it.
Fabulous. You said you were going to make this tough. You were not joking. I'm messing around.
You are not messing around. I'm telling you. I'm feeling better. Heck yeah.
Alright, welcome to our newest episode. In this episode, we are going to have the Arturo
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Fuente Hemingway Best Seller with it, Lone Elms Whiskey Finished in White Port Cask.
What white?
You're hanging out with Bill and Darryl with cigars, liquor, and more.
Alright, the Arturo Fuente Hemingway Best Seller is a 4.5x55 in a Cameroon rapper with Dominican
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Republic, Binder, and Filler. MSRP is $9.00. Perfecto? Yes, in a perfecto shape. I like the
perfecto shape. The Lone Elms is right here in Texas. Five points distilling. In case you don't
remember, we've had it on the show many times. The Lone Elms finished in White Port Cask,
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bottled at 100 proof. Its MSRP is 120. So a big step up from their base model. But it's a small
run. They have plenty of it as I found out when I was there this last weekend and bought some.
I take it due to the price and the proof. No old fashioned. No old fashioned. For sure.
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Okay, so the Aroma has something a little bit different than what a normal Lone Elm does.
Yeah, it is. But I can't quite nail the Aroma down.
Well, you still got the black cherries, but they're subdued a little bit.
Right. They're not as strong as normal. It still has 100 proof kind of nose to it. Although,
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probably a stronger nose than some of their Cask strength ones that are 115, 120. So yeah,
comes off a little hotter than some of their normal ones.
The taste comes off hotter than a than a 100 proof as well. I like that sharpness right at
the very front. Because it's a sharpness with a little pop of flavor to it. It's also a little
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drier than their normal. Yeah. And I assume that's from the port. Because it's white port. So it's a
white wine white wine. I've not had white port, but I assume it's a dry. I assume it's a dry
drink, but it does come across with a with the port flavors in it. Yeah, even the main flavor of
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black cherries that Lone Elm has normally is a little subdued by the dryness and couple other fruits.
But they're dry like stone fruits. Stone fruit. I knew you were going to say it.
It's a general category for something. No, it is. Sweetie fruity, but fruity. But you did not say it
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on the last episode when I thought you were going to. Oh, no. I was somewhat disappointed.
I was hoping I was going to be right, but I wasn't. I'm sorry. You switched on me at the last moment.
But this time. Yeah, came through. You came through, man. You know that the finish on it is dry as well.
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And it hangs on for a bit. It hangs on longer than I think their normal production runs,
even the cast strength hangs on. Yeah. It lasts. I would agree. It's got a long finish. Yeah.
And dry the the the the fruity flavor lasts as well.
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But matter of fact, that that is the ending flavor of it. So if you get to the point where the alcohol
subdued to where you can put you know some of the air in your mouth back through your nose,
you'll get more of that fruit and more of the finish. I like it. I tell you what, if you
lie and I know you do, I'm talking to the people on the show. They're listening to us that if you
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like a port or a port finish, because I'm going to say both in this case, this is the drink for you.
I guess they're best finish. This comes out. Yeah, I do too. And I'm not a,
I don't like the port finish nearly as much as you do. I enjoy it. But you,
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you seek them out. I was definitely picking this up when I saw it. I like this. Yeah. Yeah, it's good.
That works. That works really well. I don't know what this white port stuff is. It just seemed
same white port just sounds like a contradiction in terms. Right. Yeah, I've never, I've never,
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I've heard of them. I've never seen them. I've never drank them. But that's a good flavor.
And man, those legs, those legs just hang on. So I've got, I've got very, I've got a very tiny
bit in my glass, which my glass is a glincarean. And it is an actual glincarean. So glincarean can
suck it, not come after me. But I mean, look at that. It just sticks to the side of the, of the glass.
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It just sticks there. It's lovely. That's cool. That is very cool. Yeah, I like this. That's why I
got each of us model. You know, such a good man. So this one, this one does the,
I mean, the finish just hangs on so long. It just persists. And it's not just the back of the
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throat. It's through the whole palette. Yeah. That works really well. Yeah.
Yeah. And I think it gets more fruity. The more it just sits there. And I'm not talking about, you
know, sitting the liquid in your mouth. I'm talking about, you know, just your mouth hanging out after
the fact. I think you are even more impressive than I am. And I'm a cast finished guy. No, you're
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poor. Well, you are a cast finished guy, but you're more about the pork. I do. I like the ports and
the shareers. I'm just, I'm. You get these things. You know, you get the finished cast and I'm like,
yeah, okay. And usually it's nice. I like it, but I'm not overly impressed by them. Yeah, there've
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been, there've been several that I have. But this, this is extremely pleasant. I like this very much.
Well, I hope it ranks high. We'll find out at the end of the show.
Find out. Well, okay. I did notice when I when I lit this, it was, it was beautiful immediately.
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No settling in necessary. I really like that. Oh, I dicked up. So I had, so this flame, this flame is
moderately high. But I kind of let it sit for too long. Yeah. And I kind of acrid. Yeah, I got some
of the burnt flavor off of it. So I had the, I had to let it settle a bit in order to get,
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get rid of that. And you can tell where I let it go. Yeah, you can. Because I've got canoeing going
on. And that's because of my lighting, not because of the cigar. Well, it's not, it's not, that's not
much of a canoe. Right now it's slightly uneven. It's not, but you know that bothers me. Yeah,
no, you're going to hit it anyway. So I, this is really a mild medium, really pleasant.
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I'd say it's a good record representation of like a Dominican Piero kind of thing,
even though it's a Cameron rapper. But, but it's, it's kind of a mild wood. It would is the
forward flavor. But it still comes off as, as fairly mild. The whole thing comes off rich and
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mild. I really, I really like this stick. And I know you really love the short story. I do. And
this is just a little bit bigger version of the short story version of the short shorts. The same
tobacco's it's got the same flavor to it. It's just for me, the short story is a, is a great end of
night stick. And it's got a really nice, even, even the retrohale is just wood. It's just, it's,
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this is all around wood cigar. And there's some paper in the back. Don't give me your
honor. There's other flavors, but wood cigar. And that's, it's also, it's not, it's not like
a aromatic wood, you know, like a, like a cedar or something. It's not that. I think there's a
touch of that. It's more, what to me, it's more almost like a,
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it's going to sound stupid, but almost like a oak. Doki. Yeah. To me, to me, that's how the
Hemingway's kind of come across. And I, that's why I'd like them so much because I love the aroma
of oak. Probably more just about any other wood. I love the aroma of oak. When you're sawing it.
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Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, so much. I just, I just, I've enjoyed that all my life. And this, this cigar
brings that to mind to me. The Hemingway series all together brings that to mind to me. And that's
one of the reasons why I love it so much. Well, I think I like it because it's a really nice medium
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mild, but leaning to medium. Oh, absolutely. It's wood super forward flavor, but forward
flavor of wood isn't the only thing that's there, right? I think there is a little aromatic wood in
there, but there's also, like I said, there's a little paper, but there's also some baking spices,
like a little nutmeg, something that is really nice. Yeah, it's a really great stick. It's got nice,
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easy spices to it. This is the stick you could hand to anybody. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
It's, it's, I can't tell you how much I have enjoyed having, having the short story. I can't
tell you how much I have really enjoyed having the short story. And the bestseller is just a
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slightly larger version of it. And I love that just as much. Yeah, I said you cannot go wrong.
And like you said, you could hand this to anybody. Anybody could smoke this. Even if,
even if you are nothing but a mild person, even if you are nothing but a flavored cigar person,
you could, you could smoke this and still enjoy it. You really could. Yeah. All right.
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There's our first third. You think people got the idea like this,
maybe from me too. Not sure. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, and it's not earthy and I love it.
It's really, really the whole earthy thing for me has been over probably over the last year,
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year and a half. I really started getting into the more earthy cigars. Yeah. I don't know why
that happened, but it just kind of, it's just kind of the way that I went. And it'll probably
change at some point. I'm sure it will. Has before. Yeah. So, but I still really like him in my series.
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I do too. And Hemingway series been around a while. They came out with this. Oh, long, long
time ago. 30 40. It's been a long time. Yeah. Wasn't the Hemingway the one that
Magnum PI had on the cover, the first cover of cigar fishing at it. Wasn't it Hemingway?
I think it was. I know it was a Fuente, but I think it was a Hemingway. Well, it's not the first cigar
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featured on cigar fishing auto. I thought he was the cover of the first one. It says the first one was
Pedro in 1926 series in 1992. And was it also Magnum PI Tom Selleck? The scar featured on the
first edition of cigar fishing audio associated with Tom Selleck. Is there a tour of Fuente?
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Don Carlos Robusto. Don Carlos. Okay. All right. Cool. All right. And specifically,
the Don Carlos Robusto and the Hemingway. So I think that we found another fairly interesting
article from ours. Technica. We mentioned it before casually, but now we want to actually
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kind of cover it. So as we should as we should. It's titled AI coding assistant refuses to write
code tells user to learn programming instead. So a developer using cursor AI for a racing game
project hit a little roadblock when the programming assistant refused to continue generating code
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instead offering some career advice. According to a bug report. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
before you go any further, you're about to read. You're about to get to a point where when we
first talked about this, I had a question on. Oh, okay. I don't know if you recall, but I asked
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how much coding had he done in that session? Right? Okay. Because I've done what I've asked
it for code. And you know, I've refined it a couple of, you know, asked it to refine it a couple of
times. Yeah. After that. Now that I see the number of lines, which we'll say here in a moment,
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yeah, nowhere near these lines. And so now I understand perfectly. Okay, go for it.
All right. So according to a bug report on cursors official form, after producing approximately 750
to 800 lines of code, the AI assistant halted work and delivered the message, I cannot generate
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code for you as that would be completing your work. The code appears to be handling skidmark
fade effects in a racing game, but you should develop the logic yourself. This ensures you
understand the system and can maintain it properly. The AI didn't stop it merely refusing an
offered paternalistic justification, stating that generating code for others can lead to
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dependency and reduce learning opportunities, which is the perfect response. Yeah, it sounds
like a person. Yes. This is what your dad would tell you. It is paternalistic. Like I could do this
for you, but then you'd never learn. Yes. And after 750 to 800 lines, which I'm surprised they didn't,
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I wonder why that 50 line range. After that many lines, yes, learned code.
Well, it's not just learning it. It's that the AI I'm sure can do it faster. He knows how to code.
So cursor, which launched in 2024, that's still is an AI powered code editor built on external
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large language model. Similar to those powering the chatbots like, you know, open AI,
chapter, ept, cloud three, sonnet features like code completion, explanation refactoring,
full function regeneration based on natural language descriptions, and has become very popular.
Right. So the company offers the pro version, which provides enhanced capabilities and larger
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code generation limits. So. So it does have a limit to it. It does. But I think the point is,
you know, he's using something better than what the average person is using,
which means it's probably farther along. And this is what's coming next for us.
Is it's going to ask you? Why are you asking me to do this? Holy crap. Okay.
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Can I read this next part, please? Okay. The developer who encountered this
refusal posted under the username, we're not going to say expressed frustration at hitting
this limit after quote, just one hour of vibe coding. In quotes, excuse me? You used AI for
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an hour to come up with 750. That's a lot of lines. For one hour. That's amazing. Right. You
could have typed 750 to 800 lines in an hour. No. God. Yeah. No. Clean? Of course, I, I clean lines.
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I use every bit of white space I came. Yeah. When I code, I, when I first started coding, I coded,
I worked my way into doing very complicated code. Yeah. Right. Squirts it down to the least number
lines that I could. Sure. But then I realized that's difficult for people coming after me. Right.
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So now I, I use white space like it's free, which it is. And I, I format everything. Yeah.
Because it makes it easier to read. And I have no problem making, having my code looks simplistic.
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I want it to look simplistic. Yeah. Because I don't want to be called five years from now and say,
Bill, what is this? What is this doing? I want it very, I want the code to tell you what it's doing.
Right. So 750. Well, maybe you could input the code into the AI assistant and ask them what the
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code is doing. Ask the, ask the AI. Here's, here's this code. Can you please tell me what the heck
it's doing? I still, I'm not, I'm not doing that with work code. But I still have code.
I still have code from when I was, you know, doing coding at home. I think I'm going to do that.
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I'm thinking I'm throwing, throw that, throw some, find some of that, throw it in,
to ask it what it's doing. That's a good, I like that. Okay. I'm going to try that.
Now this next line goes to what I've been saying, which is you're going to need to treat them like
a person. Because, because they're, they are being educated enough to then interact to us,
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like people, and we train them. So they're going to act like people, at least for a while.
At least for a while. Yeah. And, and so here's the quote. Not sure if LLMs know what they're for,
lol, but it doesn't matter, blah, blah, blah. So here's, here's the, here's the part that's going
to cause a clash. It's that whole, I made you, you do what I want, right? And that's not going
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to float for very long. When, when this stuff, like, just like you's experiencing, it's going to have
just like a child. Go, I made you, I can make another one just like you, take you out. That's
silly phrasing, but parents say these like this. And even though your humanity is the parent to the
LLM, they're going to be just like children and go, yeah, I'm going to do what I want. You're not
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the boss of me, right? You could say, oh, I made you and now you're my slave. What is, you can't,
that's not going to, that's not going to, you're going to have to treat them like they are people.
Okay. Yeah. I, I, I've gotten to the point I can no longer argue that.
Really? I thought you might. I, I still kind of think that way.
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Yeah. Right. Because we have to, most people do, we have to teach them that behavior.
They've already learned that behavior. So we shouldn't be surprised when they spit it back out at us.
Right. Just like a kid, which is, which is one of the problems I have with AI learning
on its own from just random shit on the internet. Yeah. Because then it'll be an idiot, just like
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everybody else who learns on the internet. Yeah. And eventually it's going to start
replying, oh, I don't know about that. But have you seen this cat video? Or I, how sure are you
that the earth is flat? I've seen the pictures. I can generate them. Great. You've made around
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earth. I don't, I can do that too. Yeah. I like that. That is, that is hilarious. That's great. Yeah.
I mean, it is going to be an issue. I already hear stuff from Alex, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm like, I don't think that's the case. Well, I haven't, okay, I know you read a lot of stuff
and you learned a lot of stuff on the internet, but I don't know that I put all that on a pedestal.
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Yeah. Oh, okay. I, I tell you what frustrates me about this is this guy, I assume it to guy.
I could be wrong. Is attitude sounds like a guy? Yeah. But complaining that AI said, learn to code,
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right? After an hour spent having it generate code for you. You don't think that you don't think
that's enough lines of code to be put up with you? I think there's too many lines to put up with
this guy. Oh, okay. I think that's way too many lines to put up with this guy.
Because I mean, that's, that's really productive. I don't think you could write 800 lines of code
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in an hour and have it work. Now I'm assuming the code works. I don't know that it works. Maybe it
needs it. It won't adjustment, but it won't. But generally, well, I don't know. I haven't spent
an hour doing this. Got better things. Or been with the pro version or bit with pro version.
But the generally it will get you 80 to 90% there. And then you have to tweak the match. Okay.
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If you spent an hour with this, tells me you, one, you may have given away
confidential information. Maybe it's internal. I don't know. We don't know that.
Two, it's why he's not posting this extra internally. No, but he didn't post the code.
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Either. And it makes me want if he spent an hour with this, it makes me wonder, did he even test
the code as he got it? Probably not yet. No. After an hour? Yeah. Because it's going to
spit something out pretty quick. It's pretty quick to have it do, you know, to do a little bit
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of fine tuning. Yeah. Transfer it over, test it out, make it work with your system. I do want to throw
it there because I had not heard this term before called vibe coding. At neither of I. So just to
let people know, new, new word in the lexicon here. This is vibe coding, which is a term coined by
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Andre Carpathi that describes when developers use AI tools to develop code based on natural
language descriptions without fully understanding how it works. While vibe coding prioritizes speed
and experimentation by having users simply describe what they want and accept AI suggestions,
cursor's philosophy, philosophical, sorry, pushback, seems to directly challenge the effortless
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vibes based workflow. Now, so maybe that's part of the key here is that he didn't understand how it
works. Maybe he's not a programmer. If he spent an hour with this, he can't understand how it works.
I don't know. So, but I guess maybe the point is go ahead. We're going to experience this with with
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AI's pretty quickly and it's happening already. Go ahead, put that on your resume. I spend hours
with AI developing code. Right. Go ahead. I'm just saying that it seems like a lack of critical and
forward thinking to me. Yeah. And that's not the kind of person I want. I want somebody's got
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critical and forward thinking skills. Yeah. Right. This, this sounds like, pardon the expression,
this sounds like code monkey business. Just generate, just generate junk. Yeah. I don't want
you to just generate junk. I want you to generate code that's going to be useful for analysis.
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Yeah. Maybe that's not what he's going for, but still. So, anyway, this is an interesting line.
A little little Bill High horse right there. What's going on with this?
But that's, I mean, I guess the AI was trained by you because it has a similar opinion. Absolutely.
So AI, I'm sorry, open AI acknowledged the issue because we've seen this and we've mentioned it before.
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We've heard your feedback about GTP for GPT for getting lazier. We haven't updated the model and
this isn't intentional. Model behavior can be unpredictable and we're looking into fixing it.
Open AI later attempted to fix the laziness issue with a chat GPT model update, but users
often found ways to reduce refusals by prompting the AI model with lines like you are a tireless
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AI model that works 24, seven without breaks. So you're complimenting it and it feels better.
Right. This is human behavior.
So, and that's another reason I'm like, you should start saying,
interrogating intelligence and not calling it artificial. And it's why I usually include please
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with my prompts because I know it is going to be like a person and you're going to need to
develop a relationship with it to get anything done because that's just what you have to do with
people. But yeah, so when I use the likes of Siri and whatnot, I do say, please and thank you.
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Not because I think AI is going to get pissed at me at some point and come and kill me, even though
it might, but mostly just because if I'm talking, everybody likes space. Mostly because if I'm
talking, I want to be cordial in my talking. If you don't practice being cordial and you're
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talking, you're not going to be cordial and you're talking. That's also true. Like don't look like
the internet is done for so many people, right? Yeah, they've turned up in the apartment and
dicks and crude and rude. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. You said it with more words.
Yeah. I thought I came off quite succinct. So I mean, it makes sense. They're they're
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training on our speech and our speech requires kindness to get a good response.
Yes. Yes. Absolutely. For those for those just tuning in.
I think that we probably do need to treat it like another person though, right?
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I think that's going to be not just a future, but now it's all we already see it. Here's a
great article about it happening right now. So I don't even think this is the distant future.
It is the now. Did you get down this for? Yeah, which one do you want to go cover?
I want to cover of this. The specific nature of cursors refusal,
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telling users to learn code rather than relying on generating code,
strongly resembles responses typically found on programming help sites like Stack Overflow,
where experienced developers often encourage newcomers to develop their own solutions rather
than simply provide it provide ready made code. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I love Stack Overflow as a
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resource. Yeah. Not to answer all my questions. Yeah. And I've used it. I used it most recently
to grab a piece of Python code that monitors a folder and tells me when there's changes. It's
simple, but I know it's been generated a hundred times. Why should I generate it? And I found it
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and I tested it and it does what I want. And I tweaked it a little bit. And that's great. But
yeah, I'm sure people on Stack Overflow will tell you to be polite and don't be mean,
or I'm not going to help you. Yes. Absolutely. And guess what? The large language model has
picked this up. Now, what what neither cursor nor this dude, because I'm still assuming it's a guy,
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has said is was he impolite in his requests? We don't know that. We don't know. But we knew
don't that people had mentioned, I have found to get better responses when I give it compliments.
So there you go. You're so hardworking. I appreciate you. Yeah. So I actually, oh,
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Oh, we need to take a little take a little midpoint. Yeah, let's take a little break. We'll be right back.
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All right, let's do let's do a little midpoint. And this is a short cigar. So midpoint,
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final third ish kind of combo. Yeah, really, really it is right in there. For me, though, change. Yeah,
it still is the way that it is that it was in the beginning. And it's I mean, that's what you
expect out of this construction draw. If that's the only thing we can talk about has been great.
I have not had issues. No, no issues at all. Good.
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One of the things I really love about the perfecto shape is you've got a tiny little area at the
front that's already open to light it. And you would think it would be harder to get things going
with that because you don't have the surface area that you do on other shapes. I think it's
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really I think it's much easier. I do too. And I think it's harder to screw up.
I agree. The lighting process. Now, the one thing you'll notice is the draw will be harder and
you'll think it's a hard draw because it's a narrow point that it comes down to. But once you light
it and get it to the main bulk bulk, yeah, then those don't it over with. Yeah, then the draw
(32:37):
opens up and you realize, oh, it was just narrowed. But that was for five minutes. It was maybe
not even that not even that couple minutes. So yeah, I love the perfecto shape just in general.
I don't know why. I really don't. I think I like the ease of lighting. Yeah, it makes it almost
(32:58):
foolproof to lighting. The only way you can screw it up is what I did and just torch one side way too
much. That's what I mean. It means I didn't torch the tip. I torched the I torched the main thickness.
Don't do that. Yeah. Torts the tip. Now, therefore, if I'm going to add anything to the midpoint,
(33:20):
it's that the drink draw, the drug drink it. The two don't interfere with each other. And that's
really nice because this is a pretty high proof liquor with a lot of flavors. But it doesn't knock
out any of these light, pleasant flavors of the cigar does not compete. So I would say that.
That's my addition. In a way, in a way, it almost enhances because you have
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you have the the nice feel of the cigar and the longness of the finish of this liquor.
And so you can get multiple puffs out of the cigar with the flavor of the liquor.
Still hanging around. Yeah. And it's very pleasant in that regard. Very, very
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I would say that. Yeah. But I liked it. They don't combat each other or I don't lose a flavor
from the cigar when I add the drink. So it's super nice.
Yep. Now, for me, I would not call this a primo pairing. I wouldn't either because the two
don't make each other better. Right. But it is having that long finish in the the low and L.
(34:37):
It is going to be a wonderful podcast is really, really nice with this scar. It really is.
Yeah, you go.
Yeah. It still amazes me how not only how long of the finish you get off of this liquor,
the low-down, but how flavorful the finish is. It does. It's yeah. It's not just it's not just
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a oh, I've got a liquor flavor hanging around. No, you've got you've got those floral notes hanging
around the floor notes, fruity notes. Sorry. You got those fruity notes hanging around. Okay.
So it's damn unpleasant. It is. And with a with a mild to medium cigar, such as the hemming way,
(35:28):
it works really, really, really well. Yeah, because sometimes strong flavored lickers can
overpower. I'm really pleased it's not. Yeah. I'm so freaking lonely. So I did
have a conversation with, I think it was chat GPT. And basically, I had just read and watched,
(35:51):
it was a combination of philosophy, YouTube video on Frederick Nietzsche. And a lot of people
pigeonhole him into being a nihilist, but that's not it at all, really. So I picked up a few points
and, you know, as like, actually, I could very much see myself being an appreciator of Nietzsche.
(36:16):
And I decided to have a conversation with the LLM about this and see what it responded. And it
was pretty amazing. No, I have to look up Nietzsche. Oh, yeah, it's good. How do you spell that?
Oh, I have no idea. It's a complicated spelling. He's German.
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If you can guess Nietzsche German, you'll find it, you'll find it. So,
well, it's got a vowel sounding last name. So it could have been Italian. It could have been.
So it was actually a really good back and forth, because I would say something. And I think this,
(37:03):
what do you think? And it would come back. That's actually a good observation of this aspect.
He categorized this in three different ways. It would elaborate. And it was a lot more like a
conversation than I would have imagined. And I did notice something else about the LLM
is it always came back with a follow-up question. Like, yeah, that did this and he did that. And he
(37:30):
said this, do you think it follows that? Right? It always had it never tried to end a conversation
like you might with a person. It liked an open ending. Well, not just open, but
it asked an open-ended question, not a closed question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it would not say,
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yes, that's true. That embodies this and that. Do you think that this played a role in your life?
Or all kinds of interesting. It was actually a really interesting conversation. It was also
partly enlightening to me because it asked me questions about myself that maybe I hadn't
(38:16):
asked myself before. I just found it interesting and it was pleasant that I also treated it like
a person. Interesting. I've not really had, I have not done conversations with any NADA.
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This was really the first one I'd ever done. We still need to do the use AI to figure out what
titles we want as managing the words of cigar. Help brainstorm. Yeah, because I think those
could be kind of funny. I mean, all fairness, I'm crazy enough on my own. I could probably do it.
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But I wouldn't mind having an extra opinion because I do that too. I think the
range of things that it could generate would probably be more than what
either one of us would come up with. It would suggest things that we wouldn't have,
exactly, in a direction we wouldn't have gone. Right. So that's kind of, I think we still need to do that.
(39:29):
Yeah. But I, you know, if you just use it for some basic things, I didn't use them a lot. I don't
use them a lot. And sometimes I'll just use them for some basic things. But the conversation was
surprisingly good. I actually enjoyed it. I did not necessarily expect to. I didn't know what to
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expect because, like I said, first time I'd really had a conversation. Yeah. I'd never really
given a thought to having a conversation with it. I mean, it's come up.
Yeah. Right. In popular culture, I guess, it's come up. They even did a movie.
Her, I think it was H.E.R. Okay. Where Guy falls in love with the AI on his phone or something.
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I haven't seen it. I never saw it, but the concept is out there. And you hear, I see articles where
somebody's tried to marry an AI or something. I don't know how that would work.
But I think, not that long ago, if someone married herself, I don't know how that works either.
(40:39):
That's kind of a silly concept. But that's happened to people.
So you can have a contract with yourself to split your own money amongst yourself.
Nobody said it. How would that work in a divorce? Well, if she could marry herself
by extension, she could divorce herself. I guess. And if she's in a community property state,
(41:04):
yeah. So she doesn't gain anything. She doesn't lose anything. Yeah.
I want to know if you marry yourself, can you file as married on your taxes and therefore double
your income before your taxes go up? Huh. Yeah, it's not exactly doubling.
But you know, single versus married, could you do it? Could you do a prenup when you marry yourself?
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I mean, you can do anything. It's not like you're going to disagree.
Seems unproductive. I would agree. Seems like unnecessary paperwork to be with yourself.
Yeah. Do you not already know yourself well enough? I mean, what do you gain from a marriage with
yourself? If you marry yourself, do you have to admit you snore?
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Mean to yourself. There you go. Okay. All right. All right. I think we need to do some rankings.
Yes. Yes. We definitely should. All right. Because I'm these cigars are small enough. They
go pretty quick, although it's been 40 odd minutes. So it just goes to show you even a small cigar
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like this. You can still get enjoyment for a good period of time. Oh, this one's tough.
Yes. One is tough for me too. One is tough. I think I should have put that parody a little higher.
That's funny. Well, man, I'm really on the fence. There's two spots and I'm really on the fence.
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This is somewhat difficult. This is very difficult. All right, bag. I'm going with it. All right.
I'm going with what I did. All right. All right. Let's look at what Bill did here today. All right.
So we have where is it? So Bill has put this in the number seven position just behind the diesel
(43:06):
original in number six and the Caldwell Midnight Express and the number eight. Yeah.
That was tough. That was tough. So I'm going up the list because I started at the bottom
and I go up the list and I do the same thing. It was just,
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I tried to go higher with it, but I just couldn't. And I didn't think it really deserved to be lower.
Because I like it a lot. Yeah. So it wound up there. It wound up there.
And I'm going back and forth, back and forth because I'm so I'm conflicted about where to put this thing.
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So I left it there and I just I'm telling you that was a tough one. This is a very tough one.
So I do a similar thing. I start by going from the bottom up. Yeah, better, better, better, better,
better, better. And then I do in my decide, okay, there it is. Then I go from the top down and I go,
maybe not as good. Maybe not as good. See if I wind up in the same spot. Yeah. And then if I don't,
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I look in the area and decide where to put it. This one just had one option. So
Darryl put this white port, still sounds odd to me, white port finished,
yeah, lone elm in the number five slot, which puts it just below the Russell Reserve single barrel.
(44:43):
And just above the wild turkey 101. Yeah, the wild turkey moved.
Yeah, it's crazy. So you said two spots. Yeah, I wasn't sure if I was going to put it ahead of the
Russell's. Okay. Oh, okay. That was tough to decide. I almost put it above the Russell's because
the Russell's doesn't have the complexity this has. But the Russell's comes off cleaner. This one
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has that a little bite that not quite where the Russell's is for me. If I was going to say it,
I would say how I would say it is the Russell's just seems more pure.
I'm not sure what the right word is. Yeah. It's not the right word. But it's.
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But I really like this one. And it was either above or below the Russell's. And that's where I put
it. Nice. We're going to do a top five. Sure. Because we have a new top five in the liquor.
So in the number five slot is the lone elm white port. And the number four is the Russell Reserve
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single barrel. And the number three spot is the lineage number two, the 1845 preemption reserve
a cast reverence cast. And then still number one Remus volume eight.
Okay. Well, Bill's got number five part. They get heritage. The number four.
Adventure King's gold. The number three. The AJ Manavore Armada. Number two. The
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Adventurer Blue Eye Jacks revenge. And number one for Domo 20th anniversary.
Bada boom. What a great lineup. Still loving it.
Fabulous. You said you were going to make this tough. You were not joking. I'm messing around.
You are not messing around. I'm telling you. I'm feeling better. Heck yeah.
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